| IVOD_ID |
154918 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154918 |
| 日期 |
2024-09-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-2-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-09-27T10:28:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-09-27T10:45:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| video_url |
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報告院會請尊重質詢委員之權利麻煩大家請再一次呼籲輕聲細語請蔡委員謝謝主席麻煩主席請行政院院長交通部陳部長 |
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麻煩請卓院長備詢請交通部部長備詢蔡媛妮還有請交易部政部長麻煩請交易部政部長備詢院長早蔡媛妮好院長我在媒體上看到 |
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跟委員報告 |
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所以時間約了嗎? |
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時間約了嗎? |
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總預算是萬事的根本各個社福團體 |
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各個社會各界我們各部會重要用在人民身上國家建設上面的預算這個不能開玩笑但行政院先展現誠意卓院長展現誠意韓院長展現能力民主國家就是要協商民主國家沒有辦法不協商很多政策要推動這很困難所以執政黨展現誠意韓院長展現能力 |
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謝謝韓院長 也請委員能夠大力的協助第二個事情我想謝謝院長 部長 |
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針對今年年底就11月馬上要舉行在臺灣的一個棒球界的盛事就是12強的比賽那謝謝教育部在經費來支持院長也指示要全力來協助這個棒球運動的發展在這裡我代表另外一個身份就是職棒的會長來謝謝行政院 |
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我待會也準備了一件衣服要送給院長因為12強的球衣還在製作還沒有辦法製作完成所以我先送給院長是今年明星賽臺灣隊的球衣待會我來送給院長我也要跟院長拜託也代表很多的球迷特別是中南部的球迷要來拜託行政院大巨蛋落成啟用之後效益非常的高 |
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蔡其昌議員 |
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但是這一年來的數據來顯示並不會有這樣的現象那中南部天氣炎熱事實上對於很多的活動的舉辦甚至下雨的問題這個對很多的市民朋友在欣賞這個休閒娛樂事業的表演或者是職業運動的表演其實都產生很大的困擾所以本席希望這個中南部 |
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需要另外一顆巨蛋所以中南部需要一個蛋院長你的看法怎麼樣因為委員來自台中對中部來自中南部的重視我們當然理解我個人的想法是生蛋不易養蛋更難他除了在選擇地點以及安全的考量 |
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如果我的意思說很簡單地方政府支持而且也願意有球團他願意來做這個投資那行政院的態度是贊成或反對 |
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這是基本的要件有球團願意當他的這個母廠地方政府就要從地點的提供選擇安全的設置等等要來做全面的規劃這兩個地點提供這兩個地點都成熟情況底下行政院支不支持如果地方有這樣的需求那全國我們認為在均衡台灣的理念之下現在台北有大巨蛋小巨蛋 |
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我想我們一起來努力啦我只是先問行政院的態度我想台灣真的有機會我們來爭取第二顆蛋 |
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第三個部分我們過去一直在期待臺灣其實我們只有在臺中的海線只有一個所謂室外的333尺的自行車競賽符合標準的場地我們一直欠缺奧運市井賽現在所謂自由車賽道距離是250公尺的 |
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所以我過去一直在爭取這個事情那教育部的體育署現在也在規劃要找到包括南部也在爭取 台中也在爭取那不知道院長知不知道這個計畫我知道教育部有一個優化全民運動與賽事會的環境的計畫那是不是請部長來說明一下計畫內容 |
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謝謝委員關心台灣N的體育發展特別在自由車裡邊確實我們體育部是有優化全民運動跟賽會環境計畫也編列了6億元的經費部長這個我知道我的意思是說這個計畫 |
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本席一直在爭取台中清水這個地方 |
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對對對部長要特別注意一下這個事情齁 |
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好,謝謝委員,我們體育署跟臺中市政府有一個計畫在進行,我就要請教一部,未來這個計畫的進度,或者達到一樣的一個建展的時候,要跟委員一起來參與,要邀請委員一起來參與,討論,以及它整個建構的過程,謝謝委員 |
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時間的關係陳部長也上來了我想本席在乎的三件事情第一個捷運局限一定要延伸到清水這個差三公里沒有道理不到清水街上這個是本席一再強調的台中市理部長的時代也跟市政府溝通了本席希望市政府說留一個尾巴不是表示要延伸到清水本席希望的是可言中央已經通過 |
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交通部你們負責本席爭取 過去李部長也答應本席剩下3公里的可言 那個大概1000萬左右的可言預算那個交通部來補助台中市政府 那就看市長做不做這個可言可以延續李部長的想法 |
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報告委員這個部分因為你的指示那當然之前臺中市的捷運只有到清水的山上到機場那邊而已那只差三公里沒有到市區確實是很可惜所以在10月2號我們也交通部會邀集這個臺中市政府大家來研商說後面這一段的延伸的可言 |
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但是因為主管單位是地方政府要由他們來提出來那只要他們願意提出來這個可言後面的這一段交通部在經費上會來協助所以本席爭取這個預算給台中市政府如果台中市政府再不做的話這個就太可惡了這個部分要由台中市政府來主動提出對當然那我就講我先因為李部長實在已經答應了他說一千萬左右的預算中央來支付但市政府要同意下去進行可言所以我們中央都幫他做好了 |
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我就等著市政府到底要不要做好不好那另外就是藍線的部分過去陳建忍院長時代也承諾要配合捷運的藍線最後一站那個港務大樓要整體做興建這個事情我也希望陳部長跟院長都知道然後要督促港務公司到底他的進程到底是什麼時間要趕快列出來給本席 |
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海線鐵路的雙軌化 |
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我希望行政院出面可以來解決現在人民苦不堪言我解釋給院長聽 |
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這個A先生他匯錯款A先生匯款匯不到人匯錯款匯給B匯錯款匯給B所以呢A先生就只能跟A銀行講說不好意思我匯不到匯錯款了那這時候A銀行如果匯款的B是同一個銀行所以銀行就會通知B說有人匯錯款給你請你把錢匯出來 |
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這個B現在我們交房詐打詐叫你接到電話說它是什麼銀行要你匯款這個都是詐騙我們在問題參政就是這樣搞嘛大家就是被詐騙嘛所以呢這個銀行要通知B的時候這個是無效的電話不會有人相信啦 |
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不然呢那第二個方式呢就是如果匯款的B這個受匯人阿他是在B銀行那就要A銀行通知B銀行再叫B銀行通知B |
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各位知道意思啦齁所以呢這裡面阿這個過程裡面通常B都是不會理會的因為B認為這個都是詐騙標準嘛說他是銀行的行員要我匯款齁這個符合詐騙的原則所以他是絕對不會理會這種電話好那不會理會電話A匯款錯誤的人怎麼辦A匯款錯誤他很簡單他只有兩個方法一個告民事一個告刑事阿因為告民事 |
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因為要受理所以我們的檢察署也要起訴 |
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因為這是假侵占他為什麼他要逼阿就是他要讓A為了逼出來把他的錢還給他所以他只好A只好這樣做所以你看這樣的一個事件不但擾民增加了我們地檢署的負擔增加了我們警察同仁的負擔所以阿現在的方式銀行說他也沒辦法 |
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那可不可以把B的資料直接告訴A不行因為這是個資這是個資啦所以也沒辦法讓他們兩個自行解決也不行好啦所以我們就不斷的有很多的案子你看那個主委你去問一下銀行啦銀行告訴我說你們金管會告訴我說沒這個資料啦到底像這種案子銀行有打電話通知那個會錯的一年有多少通電話你就可以知道這個案子有多少 |
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那你就要逼這個A逼得人家就要去告阿又浪費資源然後呢這個匯錯那一個人他覺得很無辜阿他忽然接到檢察官要調他法院檢察官要起訴他他無辜的一塌糊塗他也不知道他坐在家裡只是有一個人匯款匯錯給他天阿他要上法院欸 |
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所以B怨聲載道他坐在家裡沒事他也不是錢是他自己別人匯進來的所以本席真的覺得這種 |
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這種是擾民到了極點也讓我們行政成本付出那麼多金管會應該出面把銀行找過來你就直接跟匯錯款的人收錢因為你自己匯錯款所以我銀行出面幫你解決然後你付費給銀行你也不要說銀行做白工因為匯錯款要付出代價 |
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我覺得這個狀況應該沒有涉及到詐騙而且他假設會錯整個軌跡會非常明顯我想這部分我們回去趕快來找銀行公會還有就請我們同仁趕快來把這案子來做一個看看怎麼來解決確實剛剛這個部分可能只是一個錯誤的話他沒有任何詐騙嘛但是問題對於街道對B這個坐在家裡帳號忽然多一筆錢的人來講 |
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他根本也沒有去管他的帳號多一筆錢可是他接到銀行告訴他說你有錢匯錯你要把錢匯回來 |
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好謝謝 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-09-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:54 - 10:45:23 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢） |
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蔡委員其昌：（10時29分）謝謝主席，麻煩主席請行政院院長、交通部陳部長、教育部鄭部長。 |
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主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢，請交通部部長備詢，請教育部鄭部長備詢。 |
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蔡委員其昌：院長早。 |
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卓院長榮泰：蔡委員好。 |
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蔡委員其昌：院長，我在媒體上看到您要來拜會立法院韓院長，針對預算的問題，希望兩個院長能夠進行協商，院長，有這個事情嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，在徵得韓院長同意，我們剛剛在休息時間已經喝過一杯很溫暖的咖啡，也談了一些相關事情。我想韓院長跟我對於未來國家應該發展的方向，以及應該採取什麼樣的方式，我們的基本理念是相同的。 |
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蔡委員其昌：時間約了嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：剛剛已經喝過咖啡了。 |
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蔡委員其昌：所以可以進行協調了？可以協商？要再約時間見面嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們彼此都要進行很多努力，我要跟我們的部會首長表現出我們的誠意…… |
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蔡委員其昌：好。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我也拜託韓院長跟大院的委員，能以如何推動國家政務為首要，我們一起來努力。 |
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蔡委員其昌：總預算是萬事的根本，是各社福團體、社會各界、各部會用在人民身上與國家建設上的重要預算，不能開玩笑。所以行政院先展現誠意，卓院長展現誠意，韓院長展現能力，畢竟民主國家就是要協商，民主國家沒有辦法不協商，否則很多政策要推動會很困難。所以執政黨展現誠意，韓院長展現能力，我想這才是國家之福。我樂見兩位喝咖啡，也希望多多溝通，讓人民所期待的總預算、地方政府所等待的補助款能順利在立法院進行審查。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝韓院長，也請委員能夠大力協助。 |
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蔡委員其昌：第二件事，先謝謝院長、部長，今年年底即11月馬上要舉行臺灣棒球界的盛事，也就是12強比賽，謝謝教育部在經費上的支持，院長也指示全力協助棒球運動的發展。在這裡，我以另外一個身分，就是職棒會長來謝謝行政院。我準備了一件衣服要送給院長，因為12強的球衣還在製作，還沒有辦法完成，所以我先送給院長今年明星賽臺灣隊的球衣，待會我送給院長。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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蔡委員其昌：我也要跟院長拜託，也代表很多球迷，特別是中南部的球迷來拜託行政院。大巨蛋落成啟用之後效益非常高，無論是棒球比賽，或明年要逐漸展開除了棒球運動以外的休閒娛樂表演，會讓大巨蛋的檔期從明年開始會顯得很滿。過去我們擔憂蓋了一顆大巨蛋會不會產生經濟效益？會不會變成蚊子館？但這一年來的數據顯示，並不會有這樣的現象！中南部天氣炎熱，很多活動的舉辦，乃至下雨問題，對很多市民朋友在欣賞休閒娛樂事業的表演，或職業運動的表演，其實產生很大的困擾。本席希望中南部需要另外一顆巨蛋，中南部需要一個蛋！院長，你的看法怎麼樣？ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員來自臺中，對中部、乃至中南部的重視我們當然理解。我個人的想法是生蛋不易，養蛋更難！除了選擇地點、安全考量、設備功能，以及將來能夠有什麼樣的活動都要做長遠規劃之外，我認為還要有一個專業的團隊能夠來經營。我想萬事俱備之後，我們才來討論這個可行性。 |
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蔡委員其昌：院長，我的意思很簡單，如果地方政府支持，而且球團也願意做投資，那麼行政院的態度是贊成或反對？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是基本要件，有球團願意當作母場…… |
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蔡委員其昌：這是一定的，我是說在這兩個前提之下…… |
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卓院長榮泰：地方政府要從地點的提供選擇，安全設置等等來做全面的規劃。 |
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蔡委員其昌：在這兩個前提都成熟的情況底下，行政院支不支持？ |
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卓院長榮泰：如果地方有這樣的需求，在全國我們認為在均衡臺灣發展的理念下，現在臺北有大巨蛋、小巨蛋，高雄也有小巨蛋，臺南好像也有一個計畫，中部如果有這樣全國的規劃，也有地方提出的需求，我覺得這個是展現地方跟中央能不能充分討論事情的一個點。 |
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蔡委員其昌：好，所以院長其實是樂觀其成啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：有地方的發展，我們當然是很樂意。 |
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蔡委員其昌：如果條件成熟，院長是支持的？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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蔡委員其昌：好，我想我們一起來努力啦，我只是先問行政院的態度，我想臺灣真的有機會，我們來爭取第二顆蛋。 |
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第三個部分，過去我們一直在期待，臺灣其實只有在臺中的海線有一個所謂室外333公尺的自行車競賽符合標準的場地，我們一直欠缺奧運、世錦賽現在自由車賽道距離250公尺的場地，我過去一直在爭取這件事情，教育部體育署現在也在規劃要找到，包括南部也在爭取，臺中也在爭取，不知道院長知不知道這個計畫？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我知道教育部有一個優化全民運動與賽會環境的計畫，是不是請部長來說明一下計畫內容？ |
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蔡委員其昌：好，部長。 |
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鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心臺灣的體育發展，特別在自由車裡面，確實我們體育署是有優化全民運動跟賽會環境計畫，也編列有6億元的經費。 |
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蔡委員其昌：部長，這個我知道，我的意思是說，這個計畫本席過去一直在爭取臺中清水這個地方，部長知道這個計畫嘛？ |
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鄭部長英耀：是。 |
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蔡委員其昌：好，我只是要提醒你，本席很在意這個事情啦，因為你是剛上任的部長，你也沒有來…… |
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鄭部長英耀：有，跟委員報告，我們…… |
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蔡委員其昌：我不知道你知不知道，所以我今天特別利用總質詢讓你知道，我們希望清水這個地方能有250公尺賽道的場地，因為我們海線的聚落完整，腳踏車的產業，原來333公尺的自行車場現在如果加進一個室內而且是多功能的…… |
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鄭部長英耀：是要有一個標準的、符合國際運動賽會的場地。 |
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蔡委員其昌：對，就是有一個室內場地，然後中間可以讓市民做運動，而上面就是自行車的跑道，這個本席已經講很久了啦，希望部長要特別關注一下。 |
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鄭部長英耀：是，所以我們體育署也請專家去看過，也會…… |
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蔡委員其昌：部長要特別注意一下這個事情。 |
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卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員，體育署和臺中市府有一個計畫在進行…… |
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蔡委員其昌：對，我知道。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我請教育部在未來這個計畫進度或者達到一定進展的時候，要邀請委員一起來參與、討論，以及它整個建構的過程。 |
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蔡委員其昌：OK。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。 |
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蔡委員其昌：時間的關係，陳部長也上來了，本席在乎的三件事情，第一個，捷運橘線一定要延伸到清水，這個差3公里，沒有道理不到清水街上，這個是本席一再強調的。在李部長時代也跟市政府溝通了，市政府說留一個尾巴啦，但留一個尾巴不是表示要延伸到清水…… |
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陳部長世凱：是，留尾軌。 |
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蔡委員其昌：本席希望的是，可研中央已經通過，交通部你們負責，本席爭取，過去李部長也答應本席，剩下3公里的可研，那個大概1,000萬左右的可研預算，交通部來補助臺中市政府，就看市長做不做這個可研。部長，可以延續李部長的想法嗎？ |
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陳部長世凱：報告委員，這個部分因為你的指示，當然之前臺中市的捷運只有到清水的山上，到機場那邊而已，只差3公里沒有到市區確實是很可惜，所以10月2號交通部會邀集臺中市政府大家來研商後面這一段延伸的可研，但是因為主管單位是地方政府，要由他們來提出…… |
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蔡委員其昌：對，沒錯！ |
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陳部長世凱：只要他們願意提出來這個可研，後面的這段交通部在經費上會來協助。 |
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蔡委員其昌：OK，所以本席爭取預算給臺中市政府，如果臺中市政府再不做的話，這個就太可惡了！ |
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陳部長世凱：這個部分要由臺中市府來主動提出。 |
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蔡委員其昌：對，當然。因為李部長時代已經答應了嘛，他說1,000萬左右的預算中央來支付…… |
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陳部長世凱：對，中央會協助，沒問題。 |
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蔡委員其昌：但市政府要同意下去進行可研，所以中央都幫它做好了，我就等著看市政府到底要不要做，好不好？ |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
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蔡委員其昌：另外就是藍線部分，過去陳建仁院長時代也承諾要配合捷運藍線最後一站，港務大樓要整體做興建，這個事情我也希望陳部長跟院長都知道，然後要督促港務公司，到底它的進程是什麼，要趕快把時間列出來給本席。 |
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陳部長世凱：報告委員，目前正在可研的階段…… |
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蔡委員其昌：對，我知道！ |
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陳部長世凱：這部分也會匯集委員辦公室的一些意見進來這個問題。 |
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蔡委員其昌：沒問題，我們在交通委員會可以再討論，我只是提醒，因為院長也剛上任嘛！ |
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第三個就是海線鐵路的雙軌化…… |
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陳部長世凱：對，雙軌高架。 |
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蔡委員其昌：當然這裡面也涉及到市政府，但我目標還是沒有改變，希望在賴總統這一任任內，也就是未來的4年內，一定要讓它動工，好不好？這個是過去本席一直在強調的…… |
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陳部長世凱：雙軌化的部分在這個任期內應該沒有問題。 |
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蔡委員其昌：對，只是因為兩位都新上任，我還沒有提過這個，特別在今天的總質詢時間…… |
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陳部長世凱：它的綜合規劃會在115年完成。 |
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蔡委員其昌：對，我是特別再交代一下。 |
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另外，有個事情我也要請法務部部長跟金管會主委都上來。 |
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主席：我們請法務部長備詢，也麻煩請金管會備詢。 |
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蔡委員其昌：院長，我大概跟你解釋一下，我希望行政院可以出面解決。現在人民苦不堪言啦，我解釋給院長聽。 |
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A先生匯錯款，也就是A先生匯款時匯錯人，匯錯款給B，於是A先生只能跟A銀行表示抱歉，說自己匯錯款了，這時候如果收到匯款的B與A是同一個銀行，那麼銀行就會通知B說有人匯錯款給你，請你把錢匯出來。對於B來說，現在我們教防詐、打詐都是教你在接到電話時，如果是什麼銀行要你匯款，這個都是詐騙，我們在鄉村都是這樣教的，不然大家就都會被詐騙，所以這個A銀行要通知B的時候，這個會變成是無效電話，不會有人相信啦！ |
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第二個方式，如果B的這個受匯人是在B銀行，那麼就要A銀行通知B銀行，再由B銀行通知B，各位知道意思啦，所以在這個過程裡面，通常B都是不會理會的，因為B認為這個都是詐騙，標準嘛，說自己是銀行行員，要我匯款，這個符合詐騙原則，所以他是絕對不會理會這種電話。 |
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那麼匯款錯誤的A要怎麼辦？很簡單，他只有兩個方法，一個告民事，一個告刑事，因為告民事要請律師，很麻煩，告刑事比較快，所以他就到警察局直接告侵占，警察就要受理，因為這個是公訴罪，警察就要受理。警察局為了受理這種假侵占，他要接多少案子！再來，因為受理，所以我們的檢察署也要起訴，其實這是假侵占，為什麼？因為這是A為了把B逼出來還錢，所以A只好這樣做。 |
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你看，這樣的事件不但擾民，還增加了地檢署的負擔，也增加了警察同仁的負擔。所以現在的方式銀行說它也沒辦法，可不可以把B的資料直接告訴A？不行，因為這是個資，所以也沒辦法讓他們兩個自行解決，也不行。好了，所以我們就不斷有很多這樣的案子。主委，你去問一下銀行啦，你們金管會告訴我說沒這個資料，像這種案子，銀行有打電話通知匯款錯誤的一年有多少通電話，你就可以知道這樣的案子有多少。現在的情況就是逼著A只能去告B，浪費資源，然後被匯錯款的那個人覺得自己很無辜，他忽然接到檢察官說要起訴他，他無辜得一蹋糊塗！他坐在家裡，只是有人匯錯款給他，天啊！他要上法院耶！所以B怨聲載道，他坐在家裡沒事，錢是別人自己匯進來的啊！所以本席真的覺得這種是擾民到了極點，也讓我們的行政成本付出這麼多，金管會應該出面把銀行找過來，請他們直接跟匯錯款的人收錢嘛，因為他自己匯錯款，銀行出面幫他解決，然後他付費給銀行，也不要說叫銀行做白工啊，因為匯錯款的人要付出代價啊！主委，可不可以？ |
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卓院長榮泰：應該有辦法。 |
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彭主任委員金隆：報告委員，我覺得這個狀況應該沒涉及到詐騙，假設是匯錯，這整個軌跡會非常明顯，我想這部分我們回去趕快找銀行公會，請我們同仁趕快看看這種案子怎麼解決，確實，剛才這個部分只是錯誤的話，我想軌跡很清楚…… |
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蔡委員其昌：對，他沒有任何詐騙嘛！但問題是對於B這位坐在家裡然後帳戶忽然多一筆錢的人來講，他根本也沒有去管他的帳戶多一筆錢，但是他接到銀行告訴他有人匯錯錢，要他把錢匯回來，他一聽就知道是詐騙嘛，可是它是真的，它不是詐騙，但是他不做這個匯款動作，因為他不做，所以A就只好去告B侵占，所以這個不是很擾民的事情，希望趕快來解決，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：金管會要趕快跟銀行單位擬定一個處理的標準出來。 |
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蔡委員其昌：趕快來解決啦！ |
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彭主任委員金隆：好，謝謝委員，謝謝。 |
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蔡委員其昌：部長，我也幫你們檢察署說說話，這種案子我調查過，大概一年20%都是所謂的假性侵占，侵占的案件中有20%的案件是假性侵占。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：好，謝謝蔡其昌委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢，謝謝。 |
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接下來我們請登記第22號陳雪生委員質詢。 |
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19 |
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院會-11-2-2 |
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韓國瑜 |
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1 |
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2024-09-27 |
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1137601 |
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1137601_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期第2次會議紀錄 |
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報告事項 |
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1137601_00001 |