| IVOD_ID |
154388 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154388 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-28T10:27:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-28T10:43:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/20593d2379a5c68afbaf69a6bfb708fb6cd03fb23edab3c9e6d73b4b1a63abcb0c7a3ba716382fef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:27:41 - 10:43:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第20次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、7月2日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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647 |
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賴委員士葆：（10時27分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請行政院卓院長。 |
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主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長早。陸委會剛剛宣布調升中國大陸、港澳旅遊警示為橙色燈號，建議國人避免非必要的旅行。請問你有沒有參與這件事情？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我當然瞭解。 |
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賴委員士葆：你當然瞭解？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然瞭解。 |
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賴委員士葆：你也支持這樣做？ |
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卓院長榮泰：支持。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是不要忘了，賴清德總統在520演說中講了這樣一段話。他講：兩岸交流可以從重啟雙邊對等的觀光旅遊開始。 |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有忘記。 |
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賴委員士葆：這句話他講的，是吧？結果現在上臺不到一個月就把它掐死了！現在你說非必要旅行，這個就是比照以色列，以色列在打仗啊！我不了解到底為什麼現在要做這樣的限制？旅遊業者紛紛說死定了，本來對賴總統有很大的期待，覺得春暖花開，520演說講得這麼漂亮，從觀光旅遊開始兩岸交流，結果現在變惡意的堆疊！老共祭出這個，我們就打出這張，就這樣子，兩岸的惡意螺旋越來越上升了！我的重點在後面，這個你只要簡短回答，這個什麼時候會再檢討？要持續多久？這樣的橙色警戒要維持多久？ |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，我們也看到，6月21日中國當局對於所謂臺獨分子的定義加註了很多不應該有的限制…… |
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賴委員士葆：是，我知道，對啦，你就是懲戒它嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們第一個是要保障國人去到大陸地區的人身安全，我們不希望每個人過去那邊都有安全之虞。 |
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賴委員士葆：你把臺灣人都認為是臺獨，臺灣人不是臺獨啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是它的定義喔！ |
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賴委員士葆：不是這樣子喔！沒有這樣喔！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是它的定義喔！只要希望臺灣加入國際組織的都是喔！ |
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賴委員士葆：你可以看到賴總統又把臺灣派、中華民國派、中華民國臺灣派都匡匡在一起，他前倨後恭，前面很大聲…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，您錯了！ |
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賴委員士葆：後面縮起來了，把大家抱起來一起取暖…… |
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卓院長榮泰：22項當中你要記得，只要我們要加入國際組織都是喔！ |
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賴委員士葆：你尊重我，我沒有叫你講話，請你先不要講，好不好？尊重我一下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我要把事實講出來啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我沒有請你講話，請你不要講話！ |
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這個，我要強調的是，旅遊業已經苦哈哈這麼久了，我就問你，真的你們只有政治嗎？只有這樣對抗嗎？大家都了解嘛，這個其實是以假保護臺灣的名義，實際上就是隔絕，一步一步走向臺獨…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不是這樣！ |
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賴委員士葆：未來跟中國大陸完全切掉嘛，就是這樣而已！我就問你這個，然後我這一頁就跳過，請問你這個要維持多久？ |
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卓院長榮泰：看中國的態度要維持多久。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，未來會不會進一步變紅色？有沒有這個可能？ |
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卓院長榮泰：看中國的態度有沒有改變。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以不排除變紅色的，是不是這個意思？ |
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卓院長榮泰：現在不能做這種預言式的…… |
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賴委員士葆：都有可能，也有可能降為灰色…… |
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卓院長榮泰：預言式的質詢很可怕…… |
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賴委員士葆：是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：預言式的質詢很可怕，不能做這種預言式的質詢。 |
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賴委員士葆：我再跟你強調一遍，我講話你不要插話喔！ |
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卓院長榮泰：你剛剛有問我啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：不是，我請你講，你再講嘛，要不然你一直插話、插話！ |
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卓院長榮泰：你剛剛有問我啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：我現在就問你，你沒有回答嘛！我說有沒有可能進一步提升、是不是不排除以後可能變紅色？有沒有？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這種預言式的質詢很可怕，要看對方的態度，我們希望就此和緩，改變態度，大家都能夠和平理性的交流。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，我們看到這陣子有所謂陸媒盯哨政論節目，大家氣噗噗，現在外界高度質疑行政院中央廚房跟自由時報套好的，把消息放給它，結果到現在為止，你們國安單位也沒有查啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是這樣子！ |
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賴委員士葆：照理講要查啊！如果這樣就要查啊！要進行搜索之類的，不是這樣嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然是有相當的資訊才會做這種型態…… |
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賴委員士葆：有沒有這回事啦？你告訴我有沒有這回事？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有相當的資訊讓我們足以判斷要增加以後未來安全的防範。 |
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賴委員士葆：那你應該立案調查，有沒有？請問你立案調查了沒有？ |
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卓院長榮泰：有人在進行瞭解。 |
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賴委員士葆：開始調查，就這個意思啦！ |
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好，接下來我們來看台電的虧損，累計虧損三千八百多億，而且郭部長──偉大的郭智輝對外說他不要政府的補貼，院長，你聽好喔，部長這樣說了喔，主計長前一陣子還來找我說，我們1,000億要給台電，現在不用了，他不要啊，郭智輝說不用了，不要1,000億，企業經營自負盈虧，所以如果不要這1,000億，累積虧損三千八百多億。還有一條，還有一個東西，院長，我就問你，核四資產怎處理？二千八百多億現在列為資產耶，現在你們不要了，確定不要了，不要了就應該變成廢資產，所以資產要減掉二千八百多億，所以三千八加二千八等於虧損六千多億啊，你要瞭解這一點啊！請問你怎麼處理？請問二千八百多億的核四怎麼處理？ |
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卓院長榮泰：郭部長用他企業經營的精神…… |
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賴委員士葆：我現在問你嘛，你這個…… |
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卓院長榮泰：他是說未來台電好好經營，可以朝向自主性的發展，就不要…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以1,000億不要了啊！他1,000億不要了啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：但是現在台電負有很多政策目標…… |
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賴委員士葆：他1,000億不要了！ |
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卓院長榮泰：做很多政策補貼，政府適足的撥補是應該的，目前的這個階段，但是未來我們希望台電…… |
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賴委員士葆：後面是你講的喔，郭智輝從來沒有講過政府撥補是應該的，從來沒有講過這一句，這是卓榮泰說的！ |
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卓院長榮泰：郭部長用他企業經營觀念，未來台電能夠自主，這是全民高興的事情啊。 |
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賴委員士葆：未來？後面是你幫他講的！今天很可惜，郭部長藉著這個機會不要回來，在美國出差…… |
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卓院長榮泰：他參加重要的國際會議。 |
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賴委員士葆：是啦，好啦，就是故意的嘛。 |
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來，你能不能承諾今年電價不要漲？可以嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：今年已經漲價過一次，電價審議…… |
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賴委員士葆：不會再漲了？ |
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卓院長榮泰：電價審議委員會今年已經漲過一次…… |
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賴委員士葆：我怕再漲啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：電價審議委員會最後的處理…… |
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賴委員士葆：老百姓苦哈哈啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：但是我們會考慮到物價的穩定、民生的需求跟產業的需要。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長你知道嗎，我們三分之二的勞工領不到平均薪資四萬塊，四萬多啊…… |
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卓院長榮泰：所以我們會考慮民生。 |
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賴委員士葆：三分之二、68%領不到平均薪資，大家的日子很難過，還要漲電價！ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有，我們會考慮民生，今年已經漲過。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你不敢承諾今年不漲電價？不敢承諾？ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，你比我清楚，這是電價審議委員會要審議的，我只告訴大家，今年已經漲過，我們會考慮民生、考慮物價、考慮產業的需求。 |
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賴委員士葆：不然你就回答，稍微縮一下，可不可以？說今年我儘量讓它不要漲電價，這樣可以嗎？同意我這樣的一句話嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們努力維持各項的穩定。 |
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賴委員士葆：儘量不要漲電價，可不可以？ |
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卓院長榮泰：努力維持物價的穩定跟民生的需求。 |
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賴委員士葆：那就儘量不要漲電價，可以吧…… |
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卓院長榮泰：會全力的努力維持，希望委員跟我們一起，讓台電體質能夠更好。 |
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賴委員士葆：儘量不要漲電價，你都不敢承諾喔，你都不敢接受喔？我已經跟你說得這麼客氣了，承諾儘量不要漲電價…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我不能越權…… |
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賴委員士葆：但他們要漲也沒辦法，你這樣說就可以了！ |
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卓院長榮泰：如果我說了，大家又說院長在主導審議委員會，所以我不能這樣講，但是我們有我們努力的目標，委員應該相信我們啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：你說交給審議委員會，這個都是騙人的啦，其實是政策主導的。 |
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來，我們來看，賴清德跟卓榮泰是不同調的或唱雙簧？他現在成立一個氣候委員會，在總統府裡面，其實就是永續經營的概念。童子賢最近放砲了，這是昨天的事情喔，他說蔡英文政府的減碳成績不如馬英九政府，這是他講的，核電應該占三成、綠電占三成、四成是火力，他講這個概念。總統府怎麼講呢？尊重啊、沒有授意啊，就是要他繼續講、繼續講、繼續講。奇怪，他講這個是打你的臉耶！卓院長，你也很瞭解，這個媒體都有說啊，賴清德第一人選的行政院長是童子賢，不是卓榮泰…… |
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卓院長榮泰：你們那天不是說林佳龍嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：報紙這樣寫啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員前天說是林佳龍，今天又變童子賢了。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼東西？林佳龍想當行政院長，不是賴清德屬意他，他想當行政院長，對不對？但是賴清德確實找童子賢要接行政院長，童子賢不要才輪到你嘛…… |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，最重要的是今天就是我站在這裡跟你討論國事，這個才重要！ |
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賴委員士葆：對嘛！好，那我就跟你講清楚，現在童子賢這樣講囉，某種程度就代表賴清德的意思，他是氣候委員會的副召集人，召集人就是賴清德總統，很清楚啊，某種程度，所以請問你還堅持非核家園嗎？請問？回答。 |
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卓院長榮泰：報告委員，非核家園是2002年環境基本法第二十三條所定的，我們都應該守法吧？這裡第二十三條規定政府應訂定計畫，逐步達成非核家園目標，當時訂定這個條文的時候，委員也應該在立法院裡面。 |
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賴委員士葆：時空改變了啊！以現在來講，下個月核三廠1號機就停掉了，核電占比不到4%，所以如果你這樣講的話，那就很簡單了，我的解讀就是卓榮泰顧好、顧牢綠的票，就是要非核家園，然後賴清德就開始騙啊騙的，擁核的來喔，所以把base加大，他現在只有40%，他希望變成45%、變成50%，就是這樣子而已啊！一切就是為了政治，為了…… |
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卓院長榮泰：難道我們要推翻這個嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：那個可以修，那個太簡單了！ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有修我就要依法吧？ |
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賴委員士葆：那個可以修，當然可以修，為什麼不能修？ |
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卓院長榮泰：沒有修之前大家都要依法，現在你要依法、我也要依法。 |
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賴委員士葆：你去修，你們要推的話可以做！請問你，最後如果決定要推動重啟核電的話，你要不要辭職下台？ |
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卓院長榮泰：現在要看核管法的規定，我們能不能有權力、有能力去這樣做。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，你講到核管法，郭智輝說了喔，郭部長很奇怪耶，他說臺灣人很奇怪，我覺得郭智輝才奇怪，他跑到美國罵臺灣人耶，奇怪，有這樣的經濟部長，跑去美國罵臺灣人，他說臺灣人好奇怪，核電也不要啦、光電也不要啦、風電也不要啦、火力也不要啦，通通都不要，可是又要NVIDIA來這裡投資、AMD來這裡投資，大家搞AI，怎麼一個經濟部長跑去美國罵自己臺灣人呢？有這樣的經濟部長，院長，你不會覺得不好意思有這樣的經濟部長？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不會！很清楚的，我們知道郭部長的意思是要大家支持，要國人支持台電的電力開發計畫，我們多元發展綠能、科技儲能…… |
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賴委員士葆：到那邊罵臺灣人，你可以講這個不夠或什麼的都可以，但為什麼要罵臺灣人呢？ |
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卓院長榮泰：他沒有罵臺灣人。 |
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賴委員士葆：他有啊！他說臺灣人好奇怪，他就這樣說啊，我都覺得郭智輝好奇怪，怎麼跑去美國罵臺灣人，好奇怪的郭智輝啊，怎麼可以這樣子呢？來，他講過，如果延役修法通過，核二、核三可以延二十年、三十年，我們現在有法在那裡，現在最大的就是那個核管法相關的規定，要延役要五年前申請，我們現在把五年拿掉，現在還沒有審，審查如果通過的話，請問卓院長，你還要不要提覆議？如果這個法通過了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：對不起，哪個法通過？核管法？ |
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賴委員士葆：核管法第六條通過了，還有我的特別條例，這樣子可以讓核一復活、核二復活，為什麼？我講給你聽，全世界…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，新的法…… |
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賴委員士葆：你聽我講完，先不要急。核電廠平均壽命四十年，核一就這樣結束了，但是全世界都是把它plus二十年，有的甚至於更長。世界潮流，世界潮流現在是減碳不減核，多少的國家現在都拼命擁抱核電，只有我們要死抱著非核。我就問你這個東西，很明確的，我時間不多了，如果我們通過把那個五年拿掉，你要不要提覆議？請問你。 |
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卓院長榮泰：新的法案通過之後，我們都要看它有沒有窒礙難行，如果沒有窒礙難行，我們當然會照法令來執行。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，假如通過就是核電廠可以延役了，那這樣就跟你的非核家園完全conflict，矛盾了、打架了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：延役要三到五年是沒有辦法發電的，委員難道不知道嗎？ |
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賴委員士葆：少來，你「凊彩講講咧」，我找了多少的核電專家，我們坐下來討論了幾次，那個要經過安全檢查，大概一年的時間，之後重新set up大概一年多…… |
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卓院長榮泰：還要汰換設備。 |
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賴委員士葆：大概兩年多一點就可以重啟了…… |
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卓院長榮泰：還要汰換設備，還要安全總體檢…… |
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賴委員士葆：兩年多就可以了。等一下我們蘇委員下一位就要講了，現在你們都這樣迫不及待，開始用那個核三廠，開始蓋一蓋要做光電板，「夭壽喔」，這樣有夠糟蹋人，你知道嗎？ |
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我們再看最後一個題目，現在全世界大家都在搶人，郭智輝講的，十六年內要引進五十萬人，有沒有可能？這個是國發會的題目，老實講，國發會的，請問我們有沒有可能學川普講話，來美國念書給你綠卡？念大學以上的，包括念大學、碩士、博士，我們有沒有可能？我們的移民政策也太保守，有沒有可能對於高階人才，就給他可以長期居留在臺灣，有沒有可能？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們除了僑外生能夠留在臺灣工作之外，現在我們也想積極來檢討我們的新經濟移民策略…… |
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賴委員士葆：到底有沒有可能嘛？我告訴你，有沒有可能的事嘛？ |
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卓院長榮泰：那委員可不可以一起支持？ |
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賴委員士葆：我就支持這個事情啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：就是我們現在人不夠，我覺得有必要引進，國外的人來臺灣念書，某種程度是認同臺灣嘛，他畢業之後如果能留下來，就給他長期居留嘛，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是的，這是好的建議。謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長的備詢。 |
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接下來請登記第2位蘇清泉委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請行政院的卓院長。麻煩請卓院長備詢。院長好。這個我們的陸委會剛宣布 |
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說調升中國大陸港澳旅遊警示為橙色燈號建議我們國人避免非必要的旅行這個事情到底請問你有沒有參與這個事我當然了解你當然了解嘛你也支持這樣做支持但是不要忘了賴清德總統在520演說他講這樣一段話 |
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他講兩岸交流可以重啟雙邊對等的觀光旅遊開始。沒有忘記。這一句話他講的喔?是。是吧?結果現在上台不到一個月就把他掐死了。現在來講,你說非必要旅行,這個來講就比照以色列,以色列的小前輩。 |
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對阿這樣子來講我是不瞭解這到底是為什麼現在要做這樣的一個限制?李和月總統說阿就是阿本來對賴總統有很大的期待覺得說哇春暖花開喔哇你講到這裡水開喔 |
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觀眾旅遊開始,兩岸交流,結果現在變惡意的堆疊。老共記住這個,我們就打出這個,老共記住這個,我們就這樣子。這兩岸的惡意螺旋越來越上升了。我的重點在後面,這個只要你簡短的回答。 |
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報告委員,我們也看到6月21日中國當局對於所謂臺獨分子的定義加注了很多不應該有的限制。我們第一個保障國人去到 |
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賴總統又把臺灣派、中華民國派、中華民國、中華民國、臺灣派都框框在一起。他這個前驅後攻。我原名錯了 |
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我要強調的是旅遊業已經苦了這麼久了啦 |
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好,這東西我就請,我就問你喔,真的你們只有政治嗎?只有這樣對抗嗎?大家都了解嘛,這個其實是假保護台灣人民,其實它就是隔絕,一步一步走向台獨,未來就是跟中國大陸完全切掉嘛,這個是這樣而已啊,好,我就問你這樣子,我這一頁就跳過了,請問你,這個要維持多久? |
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我再跟你講第二遍我講完你不要插網 |
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我請你講你在講嗎?你插話你插話你剛剛有問我啊我現在就問你你沒有回答嘛齁我說有沒有可能進一步提升是不是不排除以後可能變紅色有沒有 |
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這種預言式的質詢很可怕,要看對方的態度,我們希望就此和緩,改變態度,大家都能夠和平理性的交流。我們看這一陣子有所謂的入媒盯哨爭論節目,大家去噗噗了,現在外界高度質疑,行政院 |
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有人在進行了解 |
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開始調查就這個意思了齁,我們看臺電的虧損,累計虧損3800多億了齁,而且郭部長啊,偉大的郭志輝啊,對外說他不要政府的補貼,所以院長你聽好喔,不准這樣說啦喔。 |
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主席長前一陣子還來找我說我們一千億要給臺電的,現在不用!不用!他不要啊!郭志威說不用啦!不要一千億啊!企業經營自負盈虧!所以這個如果也不要這個一千億累積虧損三千八百多億,還有一條,還有一個東西來!院長我就問你喔!合適資產怎麼處理?兩千八百多億,現在六個資產耶! |
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請問你怎麼處理?請問你怎麼處理? |
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二千八百多位的合適怎麼處理?我問你,你真的有問題嗎?所謂的目前你不要啦!目前你不要啦!目前你不要啦!好,那是你講的喔! |
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國部長用他企業經營觀念,未來台電如果自主,這是全民高興的事情啊!那你能不能承諾,今年電價不要漲,可以嗎? |
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院長你知道嗎?我們三分之二的勞工 |
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我只告訴大家今年已經漲過我們會考慮名聲、考慮物價、考慮產業的需求 |
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我們努力維持各項的穩定努力維持物價的穩定跟民生的需求會全力的努力維持希望委員跟我們一起讓臺電體質能夠更好盡量不要漲電價你都不敢承認啊你都不敢接受啊我就跟你說這客氣啊 |
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賴清德跟卓榮泰是不同調的或者唱雙簧他現在成立一個叫做 |
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氣候委員會在總統府裡面,其實就是永續經營的概念。同時前最近放炮了,這真的事情。他說蔡英文政府的檢探成績不如馬英九政府。他講的核電應該占三成,綠電占三成,四成是火力。他講這個概念。 |
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你那天不是說是林佳龍嗎? |
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報告委員最重要的是今天就是我站在這裡,跟你討論國事,這個才重要。 |
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某種程度就代表賴清德的意思,他是氣候委員會的副召集人,召集人就是賴清德總統,他某種程度,所以請問你還堅持非核家營嗎?請問,會長。 |
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報告委員,非核家園是2002年環境基本法23條所定的,我們都應該守法吧。這裡23條說政府應訂定計畫,逐步達成非核家園目標。當進這個條文的時候,委員也應該在立法院裡面。接下來講喔,下個月核三廠的1號機就停掉了,核電佔的不到10%。 |
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所以,如果你這樣講的話,阿,就簡單啦,我的解讀就是,來,卓榮泰,過掉,你的票過掉了,我的非核家園,來,現在開始騙啦,騙啦。 |
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啊!永和的來喔!所以把他的base加到他現在只有40%他就變成希望變成45%變成50%!就是這樣子而已啊!一切就是為了政治!那我們要推翻這個嗎?那個可以修!那個太簡單了!沒有修我就要依法吧!那個可以修!當然可以修!為什麼不能修呢?沒有修大家都要依法!現在你也要依法我也要依法! |
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那先要看核管法的規定我們能不能有權力有能力去這樣做。 |
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賴士葆部長很奇怪,他說台灣人很奇怪,我覺得郭志偉才奇怪,他跑到美國罵台灣人,有這樣的部長,有這樣的經濟部長跑去美國罵台灣人,台灣人好奇怪,火電也不要,光電也不要,風電也不要,火力也不要, |
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705.455 |
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國人支持台電的電力開發計畫。我們多元發展綠能。 |
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726.307 |
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他何必罵臺灣人勒?你可以講,你可以講,文證不夠都可以,但是你為什麼罵臺灣人勒?臺灣人好奇怪,你都這樣講我都覺得郭志輝好奇怪,怎麼跑去美國罵臺灣人,好奇怪的郭志輝啊,怎麼可以這樣子勒?來! |
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他講過,如果原理修法通過,合法合三可以延20年30年,我們現在有法在那裡。現在最大的就是那個合法相關的,要原理要5年前申請,我們現在把5年拿掉。現在還沒有審,審如果通過的話,請問卓院長你還不要提復議?如果這個法通過了。對不起,哪個法通過?合法?合法! |
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775.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
世界潮流現在是減碳不減核 |
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多少的國家現在都拼命擁抱核電只有我們要死抱著非核我就問你這個東西很明確的我時間不多如果我們通過把那個五年拿掉你要不要提呼應請問新的法令法案通過之後我們都要看他有沒有自在難行如果沒有自在難行我們當然會照法令來治好沒有啊這個通過就是可以核電才可以研議當然這個就跟你的朋友家完全conflict矛盾了大家啦 |
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言議要3到5年是沒有辦法發電的委員難道不知道嗎?我找了多少的核電專家我坐下來討論了幾次那個要經過安全檢查大概一年的時間之後重新set up還要汰換設備還要安全總體檢現在等一下我們蘇委員就會下一段會講了現在你們都 |
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迫不及待的開始看那個核酸產開始看不看了,要做光頂板了,夭壽喔,這樣有夠早看人你知道嗎?來我們再看。最後一個題目喔,現在全世界,我們大家都在搶人啦,我們國資委公會喔,16年內50萬個人,50萬人,有沒有可能的國話會的題目,老實講,國話會。 |
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886.831 |
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請問我們有沒有可能學川普獎勞來美國讀書給你綠卡? |
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委員可以跟我們一起支持 |
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謝謝賴士葆委員的質詢 |