| IVOD_ID |
154383 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154383 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
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1 |
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30 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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35 |
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外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-27T11:52:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-27T12:00:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/767b6a9d27b3726c93b44c3c8a09e5024b539dbd63c1cc91ef8091c70453fc49ab4f16a3dcf70bd65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:52:33 - 12:00:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「如何運用國際友我組織力量，協助我國加入聯合國相關組織具體做法」，並備質詢。） |
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邱委員志偉：（11時52分）謝謝。請外交部林部長。 |
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主席：請林部長。 |
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林部長佳龍：謝謝。委員好。 |
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邱委員志偉：部長辛苦了。駐美代表大概是屬於部長級的大使，因為對美關係是我國對外關係中的重中之重，是核心，所以駐美代表的人選，他的人格特質、他的能力、他在華府的影響力都要得到大家的肯定。所以我長期觀察駐美代表人選有幾項特質，第一個，要低調，個人的事情要低調，當然為了臺美關係，一定要全力去推動或者捍衛也好，但對私人的事情一定要很低調，做事也一定要很謹慎，因為動見觀瞻。不只是駐美代表，其他駐處的代表或者大使都要有這種特質，所以我們在遴選外館的館長或者大使的時候，要特別注意他們的人格特質，太高調的不太適合。所以為什麼會有這些事件出來，會有這些批評的聲音或者質疑的聲音出來？部長，您的看法是怎麼樣？ |
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林部長佳龍：每一個人都有他的風格，當然外交上面，大家都知道外交官需要具備一些條件，能夠代表國家，但是對內怎麼去領導，讓同仁有士氣，發揮團隊的戰力，這個也是另外一個大使很重要的任務。 |
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邱委員志偉：讓我覺得納悶跟困惑的是，蕭副總統擔任駐美大使三年期間，也沒什麼聽說官舍要換新，或者是要添購什麼物品，或者是公務車不當使用等這種狀況，甚至歷任的館長、歷任的駐美代表，好像也比較少這種聲音。所以您瞭解的狀況是怎麼樣？報告寫出來了嗎？ |
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林部長佳龍：我們初步都有在瞭解，不管是電報或者是電話，我們當然知道大概就是媒體報導的那個事情，所以也做了一些說明。可是因為這個有可能是內部同仁有一些不滿的意見，把一些資料傳出去，所以這個部分就是涉及到外館內部的事情。 |
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邱委員志偉：如果他說的是屬實，那當然…… |
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林部長佳龍：對，沒有錯，我們就事論事，但是個人的部分，我們當然…… |
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邱委員志偉：如果他是不當……或者是誇大，當然你就要以正視聽。你也知道駐美代表的地位以及重要性是屬於部長級的，所以大家會用放大鏡來檢視，一言一行都非常重要，不管是公領域或者私生活都非常地重要。所以，外交系統一定要知人善任，因為華府是前線中的前線，如果前線的指揮官、前線的將領被質疑，你要怎麼領兵作戰、你要怎麼衝鋒陷陣、你要怎麼領導聯合國相關組織？這都是駐美代表主要的任務嘛！如果你個人的問題會困擾你，會形成你工作上的障礙、會形成推動臺美關係的一些阻礙的話，可能部長要思考一下這個重要性，不能以私害公啊！個人的事都是小的，臺美關係才是國家的大政，它是國家利益之所在，國家利益他沒有去思考，因為他每天在思考……不是說他的床墊怎麼樣、沙發怎麼樣，他要每天去思考怎麼樣分分秒秒、時時刻刻、日日月月去推動精進臺美關係啊！ |
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所以我看到這個報導或相關的評論是有點擔心啊！那麼重要的位置，前方的將領，領導統御也好，你說這個是內部問題，就代表領導統御有問題，如果前軍作戰的指揮官出現這一種領導統御的問題，那將士怎麼服你？團隊的力量怎麼樣去發揮？如果團隊力量沒有辦法發揮，損及的就是國家利益，影響的是臺美關係，對不對？當然在外交圈也會變成一個新聞，大家就會去討論啊！reputation很重要，部長，您的評論怎麼樣？ |
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林部長佳龍：當然怎麼樣去提高同仁工作的士氣，發揮更大的團隊戰力，這個是任何一個主管、尤其是在外館的大使，他當然負完全的領導跟責任。我覺得在對外上面，我們在華府的代表處確實是發揮很好的功能，臺美關係不斷地在提升中。 |
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邱委員志偉：位子越高，權力越大…… |
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林部長佳龍：但是因為內部有一些怎麼樣去激勵同仁的士氣，然後讓這些不平的聲音能夠妥善地解決，這也是領導者要做的工作。 |
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邱委員志偉：所以我這邊也要跟部長做個溝通，位子越高、職位越重要、權力越大就要更謙卑，就好像一位修行者一樣，修行你曉不曉得？ |
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林部長佳龍：對。 |
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邱委員志偉：心要淨，心若不淨、心若不正，邪魔就入，所以位子越高、權力越大就會更孤獨，因為你就像一位修行者一樣，每天砥礪自己，你每天所思念的、思考的、思慮的都是國家利益。 |
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林部長佳龍：是，因為領導風格有一些是願景領導，有些是行動領導，有些是服務領導，所以領導怎麼樣將幫忙的同仁都當作貴人，以激勵士氣，發揮更大的效果。 |
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邱委員志偉：我對俞大使沒有任何偏見，我只是就事論事，就是一個位子那麼重要，主掌的是臺美關係、國家利益，所以要用修行者的態度，很謹慎地說每一句話、做每一件事情。 |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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林部長佳龍：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝邱委員、謝謝部長。 |
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接下來請張啓楷委員、張啓楷，張啓楷委員不在。 |
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請蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在。 |
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請洪孟楷、洪孟楷、洪孟楷委員不在。 |
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請蘇巧慧、蘇巧慧、蘇巧慧委員不在。 |
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今天已登記質詢的委員，除不在場外，均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。 |
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本日會議有林憶君委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄並刊登公報，請相關機關以書面於兩週內答復。委員口頭質詢未及答復部分或要求補充資料者，亦請相關單位以書面於兩週內提供，委員另約定期限者，從其所定。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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謝謝請外交部林部長請林部長是謝謝委員好部長辛苦了這個駐美代表大概是屬於這個部長部長級的大使因為這個對美關係是我國對外關係中重中之重核心所以這個駐美代表 |
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人選他的人格特質他的能力他在華府的影響力都要得到大家的肯定所以我長期觀察住民代表人選有幾項特質就是第一個要低調個人事情要低調當然為了這個台美關係的一定要是全力去推動或者捍衛也好 |
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那對私人的一定要都很低調做事情一定要很謹慎要很謹慎又洞見觀瞻不只是駐美大使或是駐美代表其他的這個住處的代表或是大使都要有這種特質所以你在遴選這個外館的這個館長或者是大使的時候要特別注意他們的人格特質太高調不太適合 |
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所以為什麼會有這些事件出來會有這些批評的聲音或質疑的聲音出來部長您的看法是怎麼樣每一個人都有他的風格當然對外交上面大家都知道外交官具備一些條件能夠代表國家但是對內怎麼去領導 |
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讓同盟有士氣發揮團隊的戰力這個也是另外一個大使很重要的一個任務但我覺得納悶跟困惑是這個蕭副總統擔任駐美大使三年期間也沒什麼聽說這個關社要換新或者是要添購什麼物品 |
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或者是這個公務車不當使用這種狀況甚至歷任的館長歷任的駐美代表好像也比較少這種聲音所以您了解的狀況是怎麼樣報告寫出來了嗎 |
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我們在初步都有就是不管電報啦或者是電話我們當然知道大概就是媒體報導的那個事情所以做了一些說明可是因為這個 |
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有可能是內部的同仁他有一些不滿的意見那把一些資料就是傳出去所以這個部分就涉及到外管內部的事情如果他說的是屬實那當然對這是沒有錯我們就事論事但是個人的部分我們當然誇大那當然這個你要以正視聽嘛 |
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所以這個駐美代表的這個地位他的重要性這個你也知道是屬於部長級的所以大家這個會用放大鏡來檢視所以一言一行都非常重要不管是公理或者私生活都非常的重要所以這個外交系統一定要知人善任因為這個在華府市前線中的前線 |
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有前線的指揮官前線的將領被質疑你要怎麼樣領兵作戰你要怎麼衝鋒陷陣你要怎麼領導這個相關的聯合國相關組織都是駐美代表主要的任務嘛如果你個人的問題會困擾你會形成你工作上的障礙會形成你推動台美關係 |
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的一些阻礙的話可能這個部長你要思考一下這個重要性不能以私害公啊 |
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台美關係應該是你個人的事都曉得台美關係才是這個國家的這個大政它是國家利益之所在你國家利益你沒有去思考你應該每天在思考不是說你的床墊怎麼樣你的沙發怎樣你要每天去思考說怎麼樣是分分秒秒時時刻刻日日月月去推動這個精進台美關係 |
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所以我是看到這個報導或相關的評論是有點擔心那麼重要的位置前面前方的將領領導同意也好你說這個是內部問題就代表領導同意有問題你如果前軍作戰你這個指揮官出現這種領導同意的問題那你將士怎麼扶你 |
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當然﹖ |
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怎麼樣去提高同仁工作的士氣發揮更大的團隊的戰力這個是任何一個主管尤其是在外管的大使他當然負完全的領導跟他的責任 |
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那我覺得在對外上面我們就是在華埔的我們的代表處確實是發揮很好的功能在台美關係不斷的在提升中但是因為內部的有一些怎麼樣去激勵同仁的士氣然後能夠讓這些有一些 |
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不平的聲音也能夠妥善的來解決這也是領導者要做的你位置越高職位越重要你權力越大就要更謙卑就要像一個修行者一樣修行你知道嗎心要靜你如果心若這個不靜心若如果不正 |
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邪魔就入所以你位置越高權力越大你會更孤獨因為你就像一個修行者一樣每天砥礪自己你的所有的這個每天每天思念的思考的思慮的都是國家利益 |
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是因為領導風格有一些雖然是願景領導有些行動領導有些是服務領導所以領導怎麼樣把幫忙的同仁都當作貴人來激勵士氣發揮這個更大的效果我對一大使沒有任何偏見我只是就事論事一個位置那麼重要就好像這個你組長是台美關係國家利益所以你要用修行者的態度去很謹慎的說每一句話做每一件事情 |
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主席 |