| IVOD_ID |
154242 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154242 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-26T10:25:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-26T10:41:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0ea7781078621bd1376e7d6472c030ccc258fa09de8d0f30ee23585586e40b3ae99e36b52d2140225ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:25:23 - 10:41:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「面對國營事業未來10年人力嚴重斷層之因應作為」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月26日及6月27日兩天一次會】） |
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480 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（10時25分）謝謝主席，首先請連次長跟國營會，謝謝。 |
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主席：請連次長、請國營會。 |
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連次長錦漳：委員好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：次長好。首先請國營會來說明我們四大公司──台水、台糖、台電、中油，目前的人員各多少以及預計退休的人員有多少？ |
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胡司長文中：跟委員報告，現在台電公司到目前為止是2萬9,395人，中油公司是1萬6,844人，台糖公司是3,209人，台水公司是5,779人。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：預計不管是自願或者是屆齡退休…… |
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胡司長文中：這是現在的員工總人數。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，你預估到今年會減多少人？ |
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胡司長文中：關於今年的退休人數，因為剛才有跟委員報告…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：主席，這個時間要扣掉，剛剛已經…… |
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胡司長文中：對，他們現在因為…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：從頭到現在，數字還搞不清楚。次長，你在這裡，曾董事長以前也是次長，你們都是管這四大公司的，我們國營會真的要加油，如果連這樣的數字都講不出來，這是離譜至極，請說明。 |
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胡司長文中：因為剛才委員要求…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請說明。 |
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胡司長文中：今年整個會退休2,640人。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，我們預計可以進多少？ |
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胡司長文中：我們去年招考的人數是今年會進來，也是差不多兩千多人。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：差不多這個數字？ |
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胡司長文中：對，差不多數字。 |
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連次長錦漳：差不多2,087人。 |
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胡司長文中：對，我們大概統計下來是2,087人。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：四大公司的負責人請上來。我相信大家都知道你們的辛苦，今天之所以排定這個議程，也就是把問題提出，我們到底要怎麼樣充足我們的人力而且穩定軍心？因為現在全球都在搶人才，我們的屆齡退休跟自願退休是屆齡退休只有三成左右，自願退休大概七成，這個數字連次長在點頭，這是一個嚴肅的議題。如果不是這樣子，請國營會再說明。 |
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胡司長文中：應該是這樣，因為現在台糖的資料還沒出來，我大概跟委員報告，假設今年預定退休2,640人，當中屆齡退休大概一半。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你說的是差一成多，但是大家都認定國營事業單位是最榮耀的單位，為什麼自願退休竟占一半左右？原因是什麼？我們姑且待會再做討論。我們把問題提出之後，坊間也有說申請一個電錶至少要規劃三個月，當然申請的人很緊張，最好是趕快，但是我也知道機關單位有你們的困難，據聞是因為服務所的人力不足，新進人員的經驗還沒有那麼充足，所以會把這個時間延長，是不是如此的原因？請教台電，有沒有這個問題？人力不足以及基層因為經驗斷層、衝擊而導致這個結果？ |
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曾董事長文生：跟委員報告，這些相關的工作除了台電自己本身做，也有一些是委外。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，外包。 |
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曾董事長文生：應該要這樣講，整體來講，台電現在是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：剛剛本席所提問的是不是原因之一？ |
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曾董事長文生：加接電錶、裝電錶簡單，主要是牽那一個線會比較…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請針對問題回答。 |
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曾董事長文生：要看地點。跟委員報告，要這麼長的時間…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們今天是要提出問題、解決問題。 |
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曾董事長文生：這麼長的時間，可能有零星的個案。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：可能有，所以還是有。接下來，其他的有沒有這個問題？台水有沒有這個問題？ |
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李董事長嘉榮：跟召委報告，目前水公司新裝工程的設計我們人力都沒有什麼問題。因為在技術上，他們進來大概學習三到六個月應該就可以上手。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：新進人員大概半年內可以學習、跟得上。 |
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李董事長嘉榮：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席在這邊跟國營會以及次長強調，這些是退休之後補進來的新進人員，但是留人才才是重點，早期我們有討論國營事業單位如果委外太多，你自己沒有訓練基本功，當然你會有斷層，所以我仍舊是秉持這個原則，也就是希望我們四大公司，我知道在最基層是最辛苦的，你們一定要想辦法留人才，我也請四大公司將你們預計怎麼留人才、讓人才可以充足穩定提出書面資料給本席，你們請回座。 |
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接下來我要談論電的問題，本席要請教，我聽到台電要取消凍漲，從蔡英文總統的時代我們針對學校、農漁、社福，甚至去年就擴大到這些項目，據聞台電宣布取消是因為虧損太多，如果取消這些，我們可以節省42億，這樣的對外訊息正確嗎？台電董事長請說明。 |
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曾董事長文生：我跟委員報告，那個…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：是不是正確？請告訴我。 |
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曾董事長文生：要這樣子說…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這樣的說法正不正確？ |
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曾董事長文生：委員講的那個不完全對…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我請問你，你不用跟我辯，我們在講答案。 |
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曾董事長文生：應該是說台電的電費要由行政機關編預算來補貼。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請問台電要取消對農漁、學校、社福團體的電費凍漲，改由各部會自行決定是否要編列預算來補貼，台電說可以省下42億，是不是？ |
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曾董事長文生：剛才那幾類只有農漁、社福等等的，這些是42億。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：農漁、社福取消凍漲是42億？ |
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曾董事長文生：不是取消凍漲，是由部會來補貼，維持他們的電費水準。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請教台電目前是不是要取消這些凍漲？ |
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曾董事長文生：是由機關編預算來享受這一些優惠電價。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：停止你的發言。我請教連次長，這是政策性的問題，由台電來回答也不適當，由次長你來回答。 |
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連次長錦漳：不是取消，他是說…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那要怎麼樣呢？ |
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連次長錦漳：還是維持那個電價、就是要維持那個電價，但是吸收漲電費的費用，現在是回到各主管機關編列經費來支應。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請問次長，您是經濟部次長，您先取消凍漲，然後再由各相關所屬部門編列預算來補足凍漲的預算，是不是這樣子？是不是？ |
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連次長錦漳：對、對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：那教育部會編嗎？ |
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連次長錦漳：這在行政院已經有達成共識。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，所以行政院有達成共識，你們也參加了，教育部會編足嗎？高中以下，教育部會不會編？我們聽不到訊息，我們希望要公開透明，教育部會編嗎？我告訴次長，苦不能苦孩子，這是蔡英文總統任內以及去年的時候所擴及的，包括社福，請問內政部會編嗎？教育部會編嗎？次長。 |
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連次長錦漳：跟委員報告，剛剛教育部長在教育及文化委員會已經說他會編。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：他會去編，內政部會不會編？ |
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連次長錦漳：這個…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：既然是行政院的指示，本席要請教，因為再苦也不能苦孩子，我想你認同這一句話吧？ |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：再苦不能苦孩子，你點頭、你也認同，曾董事長也點頭，再苦不能苦孩子！所以這個政策下去，要由各部會去編，現在正在編列明年度的預算，我們要看會不會編足，我可以這麼解讀嗎？取消凍漲之後由各部會去編，都會編足這個額度，是不是如此？ |
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連次長錦漳：因為這個在行政院協調有共識，這一部分我們在行政院這邊會再來督促各部會，請行政院…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以現在還不知道會不會編？ |
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連次長錦漳：請行政院來督促，因為教育部剛剛在教育委員會已經有說它會編，我想其他部會，因為既然是在行政院那邊協調出來的，大家就要「照品照行」。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，「照品照行」。所以次長，也不需要台電一直背黑鍋嘛，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：因為大家在講…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以我的一句話，再苦不能苦孩子，再苦不能苦弱勢社團，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這是大家的共識，我要請問這個政策行政院這樣拍板定案，到底是台電決定、行政院決定，還是總統決定？誰決定？ |
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連次長錦漳：就是在行政院開會決定的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：誰拍板定案的？因為這是蔡英文總統當時任內所做的決定，現在賴總統、卓院長拍板定案，誰提議啊？經濟部提議嗎？台電提議嗎？誰提議的？ |
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曾董事長文生：跟委員報告…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席要知道誰提議的。 |
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曾董事長文生：開會的狀況是在4月份的電價…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請告訴我誰提議。 |
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曾董事長文生：提議是台電。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：台電提議嘛！經過行政院的跨部會決定，是不是要打臉蔡英文總統？是不是啊？ |
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曾董事長文生：委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為你取消他的政策嘛！ |
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曾董事長文生：這個不是取消政策。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們不管你怎麼做，本席要…… |
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曾董事長文生：這個不是取消政策。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這當然是取消，凍漲取消，改一個方式由各部會編足，所以我們要追…… |
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曾董事長文生：跟委員報告幾件事，1,000億也是行政院在編…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請聽本席說，到底各部會會不會執行到位，這個我們要追，我要再次說明，再苦也不能苦孩子，再苦也不能苦弱勢團體，這個認同吧，次長？這個認同。 |
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好，所以最後一個議題，我給你功課，你來回答…… |
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連次長錦漳：報告委員，我還是要重申一下，對於弱勢團體或是社福團體，這個是沒有取消的，我說它的電價優惠是沒有取消的。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請說明一下，沒有取消凍漲？ |
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連次長錦漳：對，它還是凍漲，但是那些增加出來的，本來是由台電吸收，現在只是由…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你現在要內政部去編列嘛！ |
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連次長錦漳：對，那只是說…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你要規劃好喔！ |
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連次長錦漳：出錢的方式是換了另外一個方式而已。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：各部會回歸各部會，是不是？ |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，各部會我們就看它有沒有編。 |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為再苦不能苦孩子，再苦不能苦弱勢團體，我相信這個沒有政治話術，全民一定都支持，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：最後一個議題，我給你功課，夏季的時候，保證夏季備轉容量不低於10%，甚至7%，517需量反應，因為需要，所以你買電買了一度12塊，郭部長在這邊都有回答，所以我要請問，因為夏季電量會增加，你們預估在夏季的時候會不會因為缺電，備轉容量不到你所說的10%，會再買一度12塊的電，會不會如此做？台電董事長，會不會如此做？ |
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曾董事長文生：跟委員報告，我們現在的準備就是要達到夜尖峰7%，這是我們在做的準備，所有的準備…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，平常10%。 |
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曾董事長文生：所有的準備都是……因為機組能夠正常運轉，如果有任何狀況，我們當然就會依照調度規則來做，這是確定…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，依據規則，你們現在夏季仍舊有可能一度12塊？ |
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曾董事長文生：不是，委員，你剛所說的需量反應有很多種，我也跟您多次做過說明，平均價格…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：大家都是內行的，我跟你說，基本10元，你有必要，可以再增二成至12元。 |
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曾董事長文生：平均價格沒有到這個水準，平均價格有的只有個位數字…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：當然，你不要再跟我咬文嚼字說數字的問題，最高就可以買到12塊，這個是郭部長自己都說有的。 |
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曾董事長文生：他講的是最高…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席也不是說你每一度都買到12元。 |
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曾董事長文生：OK。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席問你，在你的機制裡有可能會跟民間一度買到12塊，對不對？ |
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曾董事長文生：那個是一個梯度最高的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以有可能嘛！對不對？ |
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曾董事長文生：我們不同的機組有不同的發電成本。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：請聽清楚，有可能一度買到12塊，夏季需求量多的時候，不排除以任何方式來取得電嘛，對不對？ |
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曾董事長文生：是。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對嘛，你就回答這個就對了。所以你們也不斷地要ESCO，不斷地ESCO的時候，甚至有說需要的時候從遠端將冷氣切換為送風模式或者關閉，給電費扣減、節電每度10塊等回饋金，這個政策據聞要7月1號開始執行，是嗎？我們看你們的網站公告的喔！ |
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曾董事長文生：這個是節電政策，你講的ESCO也是一個節電…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：7月1號要開始嗎？是不是？ |
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曾董事長文生：這個是我們網站上公告業務處一個新的服務。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，所以是不是7月份要開始如此？ |
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曾董事長文生：試辦，沒有錯。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：如此試辦嘛！好，也就是想辦法任何的ESCO，我要一個結論，如果不缺電，為什麼會有這麼多的政策？那沒關係…… |
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曾董事長文生：全世界都在做這件事情…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我們也希望ESCO是全世界必須要推動的，但是仍舊需要有充足的電、穩定的電，綠能的電也就是乾淨碳排的電，對不對？是不是？朝這個方向對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：委員，缺不缺電跟節電沒有關係，本來電充足，也還是要節電，節電會省成本、省口袋的錢。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：沒關係，本席也說了，ESCO是全球都要推動的，但是你卻反推，在缺電的時候，你會買到一度12塊，這是人民的納稅錢…… |
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連次長錦漳：所以更要節電啊！ |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以你去深思、討論，好不好？7月份就開始這麼做，你的網站上面公布的嘛！你說要試辦是不是？ |
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曾董事長文生：對，我們現在業務部在推動這個業務沒有錯。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，要試辦，我們看成果怎麼樣，大家一起加油，謝謝。 |
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連次長錦漳：好，謝謝。 |
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主席（楊委員瓊瓔）：我們現在先休息3分鐘。 |
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休息（10時41分） |
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繼續開會（10時45分） |
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主席：現在繼續開會，我們請邱志偉委員詢答。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長就「面對國營事業未來10年人力嚴重斷層之因應作為」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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請楊瓊瓔召委質詢首先請連次長跟國營會 |
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市長好,我想首先請國營會來說明我們四大公司臺水、臺糖、臺電、中油目前我們的人員個多少以及我們預計要退休的人員有多少這裡啦,這一份就有了 |
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跟委員報告我們現在台電公司是到目前為止是兩萬九千三百九十五人然後中油公司是一萬六千八百四十四人台南公司是三千兩百零九人台水公司是五千七百七十九人預計不管是自用或者是建立退休這個是現在員工的總人數對那你預估到今年你會減少多少人 |
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今年的退休人數我們剛才現在因為剛才有跟這個委員報告主席這個時間要call掉剛剛已經從頭到現在數字還搞不清楚 |
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市長你在這裡曾董事長以前也是次長你們都是管這四大公司的我們真的國營會加油如果說連這樣的數字都講不出來 |
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這個是離譜至極請說明因為剛才那個委員要請說明是整個會今年會退休是2640人好那我們預計可以進多少我們去年招考的人數去年招考人數就今年會進來的那也是差不多就是2000多人差不多這個數字對我們大概我們請四大公司的負責人請上 |
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市大公司我相信大家都知道你們的辛苦今天之所以排定這個議程也就是把問題提出我們到底要怎麼樣充足我們的人力而且穩定軍心因為現在全球都在搶人才 |
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國營會 |
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對,我們大概應該是這樣因為我們現在台中的資料還沒有出來了大概跟委員報告就是假設像今年預定退休2640個人當中大概是介林退休的大概一半 |
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那你說的是差一成多但是大家都認定國營事業單位是最榮耀的單位為什麼這個志願退休的近占一半左右原因是什麼好 我們姑且待會再做討論我們把問題提出之後坊間也有說因為我要申請我要申請一個電表我至少要規劃三個月幾個月 |
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來 請教台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
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有沒有這個問題人力不足以及在基層因為經驗斷層衝擊導致這個原因各位報告就是說這些相關的工作除了台電自己本身做也有一些委外 |
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那應該要這樣講就是整體來講臺電 剛剛本席所提問的是不是我們的原因之一 那個加接電表裝電表簡單主要是前來一個線會比較 請針對問題回答我們今天是要提出問題解決問題 這麼長的時間可能有零星的個案 |
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可能有,所以還是有。接下來其他的有沒有這個問題?台水有沒有這個問題?水公司目前是新裝工程的設計,現在我們人力都沒有什麼問題。因為這個技術上他們進來應該大概學習了3到6個月就應該可以上手。 |
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有新進人員大概半年內可以學習跟得上好那本席在這邊跟國營會以及次長在這裡喔也就是這一些的人員我們退休之後新進補進來但是留人才才是重點早期我們有討論國營事業單位如果委外的太多你自己沒有訓練你的基本功 |
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那當然你會有斷層所以我仍舊這個原則也就是希望我們四大公司我知道在最基層是最辛苦的你們一定要想辦法去留人才出來那我也請你們四大公司將你們預計要怎麼樣留人才讓我們的人才可以充足穩定請素面資料給本席你們請回座接下來我要談論電的問題請做其他請回 |
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市長跟店請留住本需要請教我聽到了台電要取消動漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
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因為從蔡英文總統的時代我們將學校、農娛、社福甚至去年就擴大到這些的項目那據聞台電要宣布要取消是為了說我們的虧損太多如果取消這些我們可以節省42億對外這樣子的訊息是正確的嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
臺電董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
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台電要取消對農娛學校社福團體的電費動長改由各部會自行決定是否要編列預算來補貼 台電說可以省下台電42億 是不是 |
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剛才那幾類只有農、漁、社福等等的這些是42億不是,取消動長是有部會來補貼維持他們的電費水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
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是由機關來編預算來享受這一些優惠的電價﹖請教這是政策性的問題由台電來回答也不是當那由次長你來回答他不是取消還是維持那個電價 |
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那請問次長您是經濟部長您站在就是說先取消動長然後再由各相關所屬部門去編列預算來補足動長的那個預算是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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教育部會編嗎?教育部會編嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
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533.315 |
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我們聽不到訊息欸我們希望要公開透明教育部會編嗎因為我告訴次長苦不能苦孩子欸這是蔡英文總統任內以及去年的時候所擴及的包括社府請問內政部會編嗎教育部會編嗎教育部長在教育委員會那邊已經有說他會去編他會去編喔內政部會不會編 |
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你們既然是行政院的指示那所以本期要請教因為再苦也不能苦孩子我想你認同這一句話吧再苦不能苦孩子你點頭你也認同喔這個叫市長習慣喔這個曾董事長也點頭再苦不能苦孩子所以你這個政策下去要由各部會去編我們要看現在正在編列明年度的預算會不會編足 |
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我可以這麼解讀嗎?動長之後取消動長之後由各部會去編都會編足這個額度是不是如此?因為這個在行政院有去做協調有共識這一部分我們會在行政院 |
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這邊我們會再來跟各部會再來督促這樣請行這邊來督促因為教育部已經剛剛在教育委員那邊已經說他會編我想其他部會因為既然是在行政院那邊協調出來的大家來教訓教訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
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600.889 |
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這是在行政院開會決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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誰拍板定案的?因為這是蔡英文總統當時任內所做的決定那現在賴總統我們現在卓院長拍板定案誰提議啊?誰提議?是誰提議?經濟部提議嗎?台電提議嗎?誰提議的?大家要知道誰提議的請告訴我誰提議? |
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提議是台電 經過行政院的跨部會決定 是不是要打臉蔡英文總統 是不是啊 因為他的政策你取消嘛 那我們不管你怎麼做 本席要 動長取消 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
679.895 |
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700.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
改一個方式由各部會去編組所以我們要追請聽本席說所以我要追到底各部會會不會執行大委這個我們要追因為我要再次說明再苦也不能苦孩子再苦也不能苦弱勢團體這個認同吧市長這個認同喔 |
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705.42 |
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715.652 |
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對認同好最後一個議題我給你功課你來回答我要重申一下這個是那一些若是團體或是社會團體這個是沒有取消的齁我說他的電價又會是沒有取消的齁 |
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740.487 |
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請說明一下,沒有取消棟長?他還是棟長,但是那些增加出來的本來是由台電吸收你現在叫內政部去編列嗎?那你要叫好喔!出錢的方式是換了另外一個方式而已各部委回歸各部委,是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
741.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
743.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
最後一個議題我功課給你下季的時候呢保證下季倍容量 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
759.289 |
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786.227 |
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不低於10%甚至7%517的需量反映因為需要所以你買電買了一度12塊郭部長在這邊都有回答所以我要請問因為夏季電量會增加那你們預估預估在夏季的時候會不會因為缺電所以你的備載容量不到你所說的10%再買12度的電會不會如此做 |
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臺電董事長會不會如此做?各位委員報告我們現在的準備就是要達到葉建峰7%這是我們在做的準備那所有的準備都是因為那個機組能夠正常運轉 |
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那如果有任何的狀況我們當然就會依照我們的調度的規則來做好 照預計規則你們現在有的一度12塊再下進仍舊有可能委員你剛才所說的虛量反應他有很多種我也跟您多次做過說明大家都內行的外購幾分十塊你有必要可以再增 |
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平均價格沒有到這一個水準當然你不要再給我雅雯爵士說數字的問題最高就可以買到12塊這個是郭部長這個自己都說的有的我本期也不是跟你說你每一度都買到12本期問你你有可能你的機制裡頭有一度跟民間買到12塊對不對 |
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所以你們不斷也要S口 |
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不斷的ESCO的時候甚至有說從遠端冷氣需要的時候作為送風模式或者關閉給電費扣減節電每度10塊的回饋金這個政策據聞要7月1日開始執行是嗎? |
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這個是我們看你們的網站喔這個是節電政策你講的S口也是一個是不是節電這個是我們網站上公告業務處的對所以是不是7月份要開始如此事辦沒有錯如此事辦嘛好也就是想辦法任何的S口我要一個結論 |
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900.385 |
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916.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
如果不缺電為什麼會有這麼多的政策那沒關係我們也希望S口是全世界我們必須要推動的但是我仍舊需要有充足的電穩定的電綠能的電也就是乾淨的碳排的電對不對 |
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918.26 |
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919.521 |
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是不是?朝這個方向對不對? |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
948.2 |
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948.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我們現在在推動這個業務 |