| IVOD_ID |
154230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154230 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-26T10:16:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-26T10:25:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0ea7781078621bd197f7cd18a8e94678c258fa09de8d0f30ee23585586e40b3ab88d7f28b768b82a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:16:10 - 10:25:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「面對國營事業未來10年人力嚴重斷層之因應作為」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月26日及6月27日兩天一次會】） |
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419 |
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陳委員亭妃：（10時16分）謝謝主席，我們是不是請次長。 |
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主席：我們再請連次長。 |
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陳委員亭妃：次長，有一個資料可能要請你密切瞭解、密切注意，我們有得到一個訊息，最近中國聯通跟它的香港子公司一直有私下密集在接觸台灣國際纜網通信股份有限公司，這一家有限公司我為什麼要特別提出來？因為我們去瞭解，它有兩張我們的電信事業登記證明，還有電路出租業務特許執照，這兩個非常重要，因為是特許。次長，你從過去的工業局，然後在產發署一路到現在，所以你應該很清楚，這兩張執照很重要吧？是不是？ |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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陳委員亭妃：都是屬於特許喔！都是特許的喔！ |
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連次長錦漳：都是特許行業。 |
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陳委員亭妃：沒錯，特許有什麼重要？為什麼中國聯通還有它香港的子公司要接觸？如果它被收購了，嚴不嚴重？非常嚴重，對不對？ |
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連次長錦漳：嗯。 |
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陳委員亭妃：極度嚴重啊！但是這消息…… |
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連次長錦漳：不過它要來跟我們收購，還是要經過我們的一些程序，因為這個行業現在是數位部在處理，但我們也會注意這件事情。 |
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陳委員亭妃：但是除了數位部以外，你們投審會如果說今天…… |
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連次長錦漳：對，如果它要收購，一定要經過我們。 |
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陳委員亭妃：當然。 |
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連次長錦漳：所以這個事情我們會把它記下來。 |
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陳委員亭妃：你要密切注意。 |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：而且我再去調了這一家台灣國際纜網通信股份有限公司的資料，我們看到它的公司簡介裡面，公司的沿革是2010年就結合兩岸電信營運商，建立連接淡水到福州之兩岸直達海底光纜，在它公司的沿革裡面就這麼寫了。 |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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陳委員亭妃：然後我們的特許執照也是給它喔！另外，我還看了它裡面的公司優勢，這些資料網上都查得到，它的公司優勢是中國聯通在台最佳戰略合作夥伴，它大喇喇的耶！它完全不會隱晦，也沒有隱瞞喔！可是在我們整個電信特許的狀態之下，這危不危險？ |
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連次長錦漳：危險。 |
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陳委員亭妃：這危不危險？危險啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：這個是它的商業行為啦！ |
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陳委員亭妃：是啊！在我們整個的電信特許行業當中，結果這一家公司有可能是中國聯通極盡所能在接觸的，然後它也非常直接，在它的網站當中就直接寫明它是中國聯通在台最佳的戰略合作夥伴。次長，這個要小心啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：好，我們密切來注意這件事情。 |
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陳委員亭妃：這要注意啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：要調查清楚啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：要跟我們投審會瞭解。 |
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連次長錦漳：我們會跟投審會叮嚀這件事情。 |
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陳委員亭妃：另外一個要注意的，如果它是藉著我們臺灣的企業，然後借殼呢？有沒有可能？ |
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連次長錦漳：這個一定會審查，因為它後面資本出資的背景是什麼，如果要進來臺灣，還是要經過…… |
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陳委員亭妃：可是它如果用臺灣目前擁有的資本下去做收購，甚至它的預算不用給那麼多，我先把你換下來，先把你拿下來之後，再去做後續的，這是不是有可能？ |
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連次長錦漳：因為今天委員已經有提醒這件事，如果我們有看到這有關聯性的時候，我們會去注意這樣的一個關聯性，我們會去注意。 |
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陳委員亭妃：所以如果台灣國際纜網通信股份有限公司今天要做任何的變更…… |
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連次長錦漳：我們要小心。 |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
陳委員亭妃：要極度小心，好不好？ |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：今天我正式把這樣的問題跟我們的次長就教，甚至把這個資訊給你，因為中國聯通剛好在接觸，然後它的網路上也寫得很清楚，它是中國聯通在台最佳的戰略合作夥伴，所以剛剛好嘛！中國是不是會用魚目混珠的包裝方式，甚至用港資或是台資來收購該公司的股權，獲取臺灣電信的牌照來統戰臺灣，這個要注意啊！ |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為它這兩張特許牌非常重要喔！這兩張特許牌就是中國聯通看重的喔！所以如果今天它沒有用所謂的正常管道程序，而是用魚目混珠的方式，利用台灣國際纜網通信股份有限公司，本來就已經有這兩張特許執照了，不管是用所謂的中資、台資、港資，就是用魚目混珠的方式，企圖拿到你這兩張的特許權，甚至去干涉到我們所有的通信系統，這現在在發生了，而且極度有可能已經在進行當中了，所以拜託次長要跟我們的投審會…… |
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連次長錦漳：好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為如果是用我們臺灣的資本，投審會看不到嘛！ |
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連次長錦漳：我剛剛已經說今天委員已經提醒這件事情，如果它背後有一些故事或者是一些相關的，那我們就會用這種關聯性來注意這件事情。 |
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陳委員亭妃：一定要密切注意啦！ |
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連次長錦漳：好，一定會。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為它這兩張特許牌是非常非常重要的。 |
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連次長錦漳：好，我知道。 |
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陳委員亭妃：而且我再一次強調，中國也就是看中了這兩張啦！這兩張現在要拿很困難啦！沒這麼簡單啦！ |
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連次長錦漳：只能其中一個。 |
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陳委員亭妃：它就是看中了這兩張…… |
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連次長錦漳：對。 |
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陳委員亭妃：好！看中了這兩張之後，這一家公司也不諱言在它的網站當中說它就是中國聯通的最佳戰略夥伴，這麼清楚！所以拜託我們的次長，請我們的投審會要密切…… |
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連次長錦漳：好，我們會請投審會密切注意這件事情。 |
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陳委員亭妃：然後我們希望在未來國營事業的部分，你在招攬所有人才的部分，還有我們要如何招聘、要如何規劃、要如何讓用人費的部分能夠恰到好處，不夠的要怎麼補足…… |
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連次長錦漳：好，這我們再跟…… |
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陳委員亭妃：過多的要怎麼去做一些調節，人才最重要，我們要怎麼把國營事業帶上來？國營事業要帶上來，沒有人才說不通、講不通，要怎麼樣讓我們的人才能夠到位，協助我們國營事業的經營？這也是非常重要的指標，所以請次長要注意這個環節。 |
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連次長錦漳：好，我們會好好去做規劃。 |
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陳委員亭妃：好，謝謝。 |
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連次長錦漳：謝謝。 |
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主席（呂委員玉玲代）：請楊瓊瓔召委質詢。 |
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234 |
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委員會-11-1-19-17 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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張啓楷 |
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張嘉郡 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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呂玉玲 |
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陳亭妃 |
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邱志偉 |
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陳超明 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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牛煦庭 |
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陳培瑜 |
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黃珊珊 |
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蔡易餘 |
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葉元之 |
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吳春城 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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林俊憲 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長就「面對國營事業未來10年人力嚴重斷層之因應作為」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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請做詢答在楊瓊怡委員詢答結束之後我們休息三分鐘人性管理謝謝謝謝主席我們是不是請我們的次長我們再請連次長 |
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市長我想有一個資料可能要請你要密切瞭解密切注意就是說我們有得到一個訊息就是最近中國聯通跟他的香港子公司一直有私下密集在接觸臺灣國際藍網通信股份有限公司 |
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那這一家有限公司呢我為什麼要特別來提出來因為我們去了解他大概有兩張我們的這個電信事業登記證明還有電路出租業務特許執照這兩個非常重要因為是特許因為這個次長你 |
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從我們過去的工業局然後在產發署這樣一路到現在所以你應該很清楚這兩張執照很重要吧是不是都是屬於特許喔都是特許的喔沒錯那這特許有什麼重要為什麼中國聯通還有他香港的子公司要接觸如果他被收購了嚴不嚴重 |
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但是除了數位部以外 |
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您們投審會如果說今天當然你要密切注意欸而且我再去吊了這一家台灣國際藍網通信股份有限公司齁 |
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這裡面我們看到他的公司簡介裡面公司的嚴格是2010年就結合兩岸電信營運商建立連接淡水到福州之兩岸直達海底光覽 |
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這他的嚴格裡面公司嚴格裡面就這麼寫了然後我們在整個特許執照也是給他另外我還看了他在裡面公司的優勢這他資料裡面網上都查得到的他的公司優勢中國聯通在台最佳戰略合作夥伴他大剌剌的 |
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他完全也不會隱晦也沒有隱瞞喔可是在我們整個電信特許的狀態之下這危不危險危險危險 |
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這會不會顯危險阿? |
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是阿在整個我們的特許行業在電信特許行業當中結果這一家公司有可能是中國聯通極盡所能在接觸的然後他也非常直接在他網站當中就直接寫明了他是中國聯通在台最佳的戰略合作夥伴 |
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市長 這個要小心啊 這要注意啊 要調查清楚啊 要跟我們投審會瞭解另外一個要注意的 如果他是藉著我們台灣的企業 然後藉口呢 |
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有沒有可能這個一定會審查因為後面你那個資本出資的背景是什麼這個如果要進來台灣還是要經過可是他如果用台灣目前擁有的資本下去做一個收購甚至他的預算不用給那麼多嘛不用給那麼多嘛我先把你換下來先把你拿下來之後 |
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再去做後續的這有可能?是不是有可能?今天委員已經有提醒這件事如果我們有看到這有關聯性的時候我們會去注意這樣的一個關聯性我們會去注意所以如果台灣國際藍網通信股份有限公司今天要做任何的變更我們要小心要極度小心好不好今天我正式把這樣的問題然後 |
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跟我們的次長就教甚至把這個資訊給你因為中國聯通剛好在接觸然後他的網路上也寫得很清楚他是中國聯通在台最佳的戰略合作夥伴所以剛剛好嘛 |
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所以中國是不是會用榆木混珠的包裝方式然後甚至用港資或是台資來做收購該公司的股權來獲取台灣電信的牌照來統戰台灣這個要注意啊因為他這兩張特許牌是非常重要喔 |
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是非常重要喔這兩張特許牌就是中國聯通中國看中的喔 |
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所以如果今天他沒有用所謂的正常的管道程序而是用榆木混珠的利用台灣國際藍網同行股份有限公司本來就已經有這兩張特許執照了再用所謂的中資台資港資不管就是用榆木混珠的方式要企圖拿到你這兩張的特許權 |
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甚至去干涉到我們所有的通信系統這現在在發生了而且極度有可能已經在進行當中了所以拜託次長要跟我們的投審會甚至因為如果用我們的這個台灣的資本 |
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投診會看不到嗎? |
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一定要密切注意因為他這兩張的特許牌是非常非常重要的而且我再一次強調中國也就是看中了這兩張這兩張現在要拿很困難啦不這麼簡單啦他就是看中了這兩張看中了這兩張之後這一家公司也不會演的在他的網站當中說他就是中國聯通的最佳戰略夥伴 |
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這麼清楚的所以拜託我們的次長請我們的投審會要密切我們會請投審會密切注意這件事情然後我們希望在未來國營事業的部分你在招攬我們所有的一些人才的部分還有我們要如何招聘要如何規劃要如何讓我們在用人費的部分要怎麼能夠恰到好處 |
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不夠的要怎麼補足過多的要怎麼去做一些調節人才最重要我們要怎麼把我們國營事業要帶上來國營事業要帶上來沒有人才 |
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好,謝謝 |