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154221 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154221 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-26T09:57:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-26T10:05:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0ea7781078621bd1d525fcf10059452ec258fa09de8d0f30ee23585586e40b3a0f6f0629efd936265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:36 - 10:05:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「面對國營事業未來10年人力嚴重斷層之因應作為」進行報告，並備質詢。【6月26日及6月27日兩天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（9時57分）主席、各位委員，有請次長。 |
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主席：我們再請連次長。 |
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連次長錦漳：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：次長好，恭喜你，你在經濟部所屬的工業局、標檢局，還有產發署都待過，很適合擔任常務次長，我很多年前也當過中央原民會的常務副主委，這個常務次長肩負很重要的任務，怎麼樣把公務人員的心聲，尤其各業務讓政務官能夠瞭解，這個是很重要的，所以這部分也特別給予勉勵。 |
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今天這一個非常好的主題，關於國營事業員額合理化管理作業規定都有這樣的機制，希望能夠朝這個方向去完備。我們看今天經濟部的報告提到，經濟部所屬事業在103年到112年曾面臨人力斷層危機，其中有三點分析，針對第二點，60歲延至65歲列為一個原因，要看台電、台水、台糖各個不太一樣的工作環境，像台電他常常會…… |
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連次長錦漳：對，常常要爬上爬下…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：爬上爬下，還要上山，所以這部分也會有所不同，但是這個未來也是會面臨少子化等問題，所以這部分該怎麼樣去因應，都要多多去看。 |
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我們來看台電、中油、台糖、台水各年齡分布的情形，誠如我剛剛講的，台電61到65歲的比例就相對比較低，所以就算勞基法改了，他一樣要退啊，因為這個工作比較吃重，要上山、要上上下下，但如果從24歲以下的比例來看，其實經濟部所屬的這4個公司都要加強，我們還是需要年輕人進來，所以這部分是要加強的地方。 |
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就以台電公司你們的報告裡面提到的，目前面臨中高年齡結構老化的問題，經過你們改善、改進的精進方案之後，確實有比較好了，如果從台電的工作性質來看，相對於其他3個公司來講，基本上35歲到54歲的中階人力接近五成，當然經驗也很重要，所以這是各個公司都要去談的部分。 |
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然後，我們再看未來10年員工退休的情形，你們也做了預估，誠如我剛剛講的，怎麼樣讓年輕人能夠進來，是一個很重要的途徑；當然還有另外一個途徑，這就是我的重點了，另外一個途徑就是原住民的進用，我們看經濟部所屬事業機構的新進職員，針對原住民報考的人數，105年有207人，錄取人數只有5位，這個人數比例很低，一直到112年新進職員甄試，原住民報考人數有287人，進用只有8人，這個比例真的是很低，要請台電、台水、台糖，包括各個事業機構，各方面都應該去…… |
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我們就舉台電的例子，台電一直是我們原住民族很嚮往的一個國營事業，但是從原住民報考人數來看，105年共407人報考，錄取人數只有10個，這個比例真的很低；112年共383人報考，有成長一些些，因為這幾年我一直請我們各個國營事業看怎麼樣能夠讓我們原住民有機會，事實上很多地方都是在我們的偏鄉，像是花東或是原鄉，很多地方都需要，而且一般人也不會願意去，可能分發去了之後1年就離開了，甚至半年就離開了，那何不如讓我們在那邊長期擁有工作機會？台水公司也是一樣，原住民族進用人數的比例真的都是非常非常的低，台糖也是一樣，無論是職員、工員，約聘僱就更難了，因為約聘僱很多都是廠長進用。當然，考試的部分最起碼看怎麼樣能多進用我們原住民，請次長協助各個公司來進用原住民，可以嗎？ |
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連次長錦漳：好，我再找我們四大國營事業公司來討論一下，看怎麼來多多進用我們原住民同胞。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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連次長錦漳：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝。接下來請呂玉玲委員詢答。 |
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鄭天財委員請做詢答主席會委員有請次長我們再請連次長次長好這個恭喜你這個 |
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在經濟部的首署的相關的工業局、標檢局還有什麼國產發署都待過這個很適合擔任這個常務次長這個我也很多年前也當過中央人民會的常務副主委所以這個常務這個次長這個肩負很重要的一個 |
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主席 |
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好,我們這個今天的這個非常好的一個主題那國營事業嚴格合理化管理作業規定都有一個這樣的一個機制希望能夠朝這個方向去來完備那我們看今天經濟部的報告裡面提到這個這裡面 |
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這個經濟部所屬4月103到112年曾面臨人力斷層的危機有三點的一個分析那其中這個第二點60歲源自65歲有一個原因當然要看這個 |
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台電、台水、台糖每個不太一樣的工作環境像台電它常常會爬上爬下還要上山所以這個部分也會有所不同但是這個也是會面臨我們未來 |
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我還面臨這個少子女化的很多的問題所以這個部分這個都是要去怎麼樣去因應都要去多多的去看那我們看這個這個台電中友台糖台水這個年齡各年齡分布的情形來看的話 |
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我們就像我剛剛講的61到65歲台電的比例就相對的比較低了所以他自然他就算你這個勞基法改了他一樣要退啊因為這個工作比較吃重嘛要上上下下所以各方面他會有但是如果我們從這個 |
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臺電公司報告提到的整個 |
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面臨所謂的中高年齡解剖老化問題然後經過你們的一個整個整個運 |
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這個改善改進經濟的方案之後確實有有比較好啦確實有如果從台電這個最他工作性質比相對跟其他的四個公司三個公司的話來講基本上這個35歲到54歲中間人力接近五成這個部分當然因為這個是一個經驗也很重要很重要 |
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所以這個部分是一個需要各個公司都要去談的部分然後我們看你未來10年員工退休的情形你們也做了一估這個部分怎麼樣就成為我剛剛講的這個年輕人怎麼樣讓他能夠進來是一個途徑很重要的途徑當然另外一個途徑這個就是我的重點另外一個途徑是原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
296.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
308.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
的禁用嚴重的禁用我們看這個經濟部首屬事業機構這個新進職員嚴重於報考的人數我們從105年207人然後這個入企人數只有5個5位這個人數的比例很低一直到112年 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
323.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
336.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
新晉執言偵視,原住民報考人數287人,禁用只有8人。所以這個比例真的是很低。要請我們所有的臺電、臺水、臺堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
346.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
368.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
包括各個事業機構海棠各方面都應該去我們就舉這個例子台電台電一直是我們原住民族一直很嚮往要去的一個國營事業但是如果我們從這個來原住民報考的人數這個105年是107人報考 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
375.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
393.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
這個入企人數只有10個這個比例真的很低這個112年383人去報告這個有成長一些些因為這幾年我一直在請我們各個國營事業的那個去 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
394.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
394.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
415.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
440.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
一年就離開了,甚至半年就離開了那何不如讓我們在那邊長期的來去做這樣的一個工作機會台水公司也是一樣這個顏族民族禁用的人數的比例真的都是非常非常的低我們看這個台糖也是一樣這個無論是職研、公研、業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
442.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
445.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
要請次長協助我們的各個公司來禁用原住民,可以嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
467.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
475.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
好,我再來找我們四大國營事業公司來討論一下怎麼來多多敬略我們原住民的同胞這樣子好,謝謝 |