| IVOD_ID |
154071 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154071 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第18次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-18T09:48:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-18T10:19:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/237480b52e5f529a9a8cc65442b825f484a337f76c37b5eac497bc7bbd6a037d44714ca2981c11ea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:48:34 - 10:19:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第18次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢。
二、6月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、6月18日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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陳委員超明：（9時48分）副院長，首先有請行政院卓院長。 |
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主席：請卓院長備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：陳委員好。 |
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陳委員超明：卓院長好。你的施政報告我確確實實讀了一遍，我相信我比所有的立法委員還努力地讀你的施政報告，這裡面都做了筆記。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝。 |
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陳委員超明：我把你所講的施政報告每一句每一句讀過，裡面你寫到我們要「以行動完成夢想，以創新帶來突破。接任行政院長，本不是人生的規劃，但選擇接受此一職務，我就會全力以赴」，重點在下面這兩句話「未來哪裡有困難，我和行政團隊就到哪裡；哪裡有問題，我們就想辦法解決問題」。所以今天我的第一個主題，苗栗現在在轉型發展，我們需要行政院大力支持，讓苗栗縣迎頭趕上。苗栗縣是在努力奔跑，不是在走路，我們是很煞猛、很打拚的，真的需要你這AI團隊務實協助。等一下我提出來的問題就是苗栗縣的困難、苗栗縣的問題在哪裡，第一個我先這樣子說。卓院長，我是有準備而來的，我要跟你要經費、要跟你說苗栗困難問題的解決，我一定拿出很具體的。 |
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第一個我要跟你探討的就是我們現在的財政收支劃分，我的主題是「苗栗努力創稅 應有公平對待」，所以你在財政收支劃分法裡面應該「增加激勵制度 鼓勵創稅縣市」。110年至112年度稅收比較，這3個縣市是五級財政縣市，苗栗縣從111至112年一共為中央創稅877億，但是這3年期間苗栗縣只分到468億，所以我們多繳給中央409億；嘉義縣才225億，中央補助542億，你們倒貼317億；屏東縣577億，中央補助809億，你們倒貼232億。 |
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我打拚創稅，結果我在統籌分配款、一般性補助款反而變少了，努力的孩子沒有糖吃，創稅愈多，補助還變得愈少，這不合理、不公平。可能明天財政部說，這個從國民黨、民進黨執政以來每一個人都說要改，但都沒有改，因為這改了的話，你們就講茲事體大，但是我創稅能力高，你應該多給我。我們苗栗縣的負債，如果以這樣創稅的比例，你每一年多補助我100億，我馬上就解決、回歸正常的財務情況，這很不公平、這是酷刑、這是在剝削苗栗縣！我希望你這個大有為、要改進的行政院長好好地處理這個問題。這個問題是確實發生的，尤其財政跟主計不要有偏見，我們是打拚的孩子，我們應該得到公平的待遇。院長，怎麼樣？回答一下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員…… |
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陳委員超明：我只強調激勵制度，激勵我們努力來創稅，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。知道苗栗縣的財政在臺灣各縣市當中一直是比較特殊的，中央政府長年以來也持續做很多補助…… |
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陳委員超明：你們有偏見、有歧視啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個是事實，中央政府有做很多的補助。 |
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陳委員超明：我們現在還負債400億，天天被你們財政控管、天天被你們盯得要死，我打拚卻沒有一點資金怎麼對啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個已經行之多年，但是中央對苗栗的補助從來也不會少過。你看到這個數字，應該很多是在統籌分配稅款裡面各地競爭型的。 |
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陳委員超明：我跟你講，我拜託了好幾次，我希望大家要有良心一點，不要用有色的眼光看苗栗縣，其實我們要發展，我們只有四、五百億，你們一次建設都幾千億，六都裡面，我們看到心很痛，不要只為大都市的選票打拚，我們鄉下囡仔是很奮鬥的，這樣好不好？我希望改進，經費從這邊考慮給苗栗多一點，可以嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：報告委員，我跟你說明一下，我們一般性的補助…… |
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陳委員超明：我時間有限。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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陳委員超明：說明我聽了太多次，我直接找院長，不然你不敢決定，不是我在說，摸了太久都一清二楚，好不好？ |
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院長，你跟我講，多考慮一下都好，不然聽你的財政部長、主計長…… |
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卓院長榮泰：考慮地方自治跟財政補助的程序…… |
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陳委員超明：我這個有沒有道理？你講一下就好了。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我們會多從這樣的方面來考量。 |
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陳委員超明：好不好？多考慮一下嘛！因為你們答了幾十年都一樣的答案，好不好？請回座，我要你們的錢，不敢讓你們站得太久。 |
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第二個問題，我請內政部部長。苗栗縣警察局重建經費，我們需要你支援，苗栗縣警察局蓋到現在，它是屬於臺灣省第二古老的警察局，在中央補助裡面，112年答應給我們14億84萬，因為整個通貨膨脹，113年中央說要補助我們16億9,988萬，我就說17億比較好算，在這裡面，苗栗縣要自籌6.6億。上一任行政院有答應，就是在113年3月吳澤成政委召集的協調會提到「請內政部釐清確認，倘為原核列案件，即應予協助納入前瞻第5期預算匡列，俾利計畫執行之一致性及完整性」。劉部長，拜託一下，我們現在還欠3億，第5期前瞻計畫幫我們匡列在裡面，這樣好不好？ |
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劉部長世芳：謝謝委員。委員對於爭取苗栗縣警察局可以說不遺餘力，我們原先第一部分的11億本來就匡列，但是後來苗栗縣也提出來，希望苗栗縣警察局的整個大樓再容其他的單位進來，所以才變成你剛才所說的非常正確的一個數字，就是二十三億六千五百多萬，現在中央補助的部分是十六億九千九百，將近十七億。 |
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陳委員超明：還缺3億。 |
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劉部長世芳：沒有！ |
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陳委員超明：第5期計畫！ |
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劉部長世芳：現在苗栗縣政府要自籌六億六千五百多萬，我們經過行政院秘書長函復的結果是希望由內政部自行核處，但是我們會覺得苗栗縣政府可不可以先把所有的工程流程都走完，有不夠的部分的話，我們會呈報到行政院，用未來的前瞻計畫再納入考量。也就是說，不要等…… |
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陳委員超明：你所謂的工程流程都走完，我已經走完了，他們一再地拜託啊！ |
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劉部長世芳：沒有、沒有、還沒有。 |
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陳委員超明：還沒有？ |
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劉部長世芳：還沒有。 |
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陳委員超明：好，因為時間有限，你答應我，我會請苗栗縣政府把你講的流程、工程沒有完成告訴我…… |
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劉部長世芳：我們會以後續的前瞻計畫再來…… |
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陳委員超明：不然大家在猜來猜去，我也不曉得哪裡沒有完成。 |
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劉部長世芳：可以先蓋的就先蓋。 |
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陳委員超明：這是我的困難、我的問題…… |
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劉部長世芳：我們是幫忙…… |
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陳委員超明：我今天很慎重地講，我是談地方建設，其他地方沒有講，這個部分如果你說苗栗縣政府的行政還有工務沒有完成，哪幾點沒有完成跟我講，我馬上請他們送過來。 |
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劉部長世芳：委員，我要跟你講的部分就是，苗栗縣政府…… |
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陳委員超明：不然我改天再請教你，今天在這裡講不清楚，好不好？ |
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劉部長世芳：還有其他機關要進來嘛，所以才增加整個量體，這點你也知道。 |
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陳委員超明：院長，你說要解決問題，有困難在哪裡，你一定到，我這個是專案列管的，好不好？你也當過立法委員…… |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，這個已經比原來核定的金額要多，多出來的部分…… |
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陳委員超明：比原來核定的多就是通貨膨脹以後整個算過，並不是要多跟你們拿錢啦！這都有一個行政流程，好不好？ |
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劉部長世芳：通貨膨脹沒有超過50%以上啦！ |
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陳委員超明：才幾億而已！當初14億，現在17億，差3億，會「黑」你嗎？不要這樣小看！ |
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劉部長世芳：沒有、沒有，差了快6億，6億6。 |
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陳委員超明：沒有也不要緊啦！講難聽一點就是這樣嘛！我今天把問題提出來了，還不要講那個道理！ |
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劉部長世芳：所以我們來幫忙解決。 |
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陳委員超明：你剛剛跟我講行政流程還沒有做好，是哪幾點，給我，好不好？請回座。 |
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劉部長世芳：不是，我們請苗栗縣政府先加速各項工程流程，如果確定有不足的部分，我們會請行政院納入未來的前瞻計畫…… |
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陳委員超明：好，我說你把你的問題給我，我回去轉告他們，這樣我處理起來比較快，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，原來補助11億，後來增加了單位，增加到16億，要請苗栗縣政府把那個增加的流程補足，而且它增加之後，自己在地方自治事項裡面該負擔的…… |
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陳委員超明：沒有，它補助款也隨著負擔啦！你們在怕什麼？是不是…… |
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卓院長榮泰：負擔6億嘛！ |
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陳委員超明：是不是難住你們了？不會啦！好好做，票數一定會增加啦！ |
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好，謝謝。劉部長，拜託啦！我們不是這樣的人，我們是「艱苦囡仔」。 |
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接下來是苗栗醫院的部分。 |
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邱部長泰源：委員好。 |
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陳委員超明：部長好。苗栗是醫療資源比較缺乏的地方，苗栗縣的急重症醫院及腫瘤中心講了好久，111年蘇貞昌院長每個地方去、每個都要做，到現在113年了，放射腫瘤治療中心的工程已經流標14次，急重症醫療大樓擴建工程流標6次，就是因為缺錢，所以一直流標嘛！這件事情可以拜託你嗎？每次選舉的時候大家都說要重視苗栗的醫療資源，這點可以特別拜託嗎？院長，這是苗栗困難問題所在，我希望你真誠的解決，我不是來應付的，大家參與政治都幾十年了，都很瞭解，我是很真心誠意請你們來幫我們解決問題，請你們來幫助我們，怎麼樣？這個能不能趕快？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們很注重各地這種醫療水準的完全提升，所以醫療設施、醫療設備，包括中大型醫院能夠在縣市裡面讓它興建，而且充實內容，當然是對國人的健康最有幫助的，但是衛福部也一定是詳實的在規劃，這個苗栗醫院已經進行到相當的程度，請部長來向委員說明。 |
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陳委員超明：這個是已經談了很久的問題，新內閣新氣象，新AI的內閣，active、innovation這個很好，趕快來幫我們解決，就是有困難才會跟你說嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：程序進行到哪一個程序，請部長來向委員說明。 |
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陳委員超明：一個月之內部長陪著去，但是要帶著解決的方案，不是來虛晃一招，好不好？ |
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邱部長泰源：謝謝委員長期對苗栗醫療資源的爭取，我們非常感謝，有關於急重症醫療計畫大樓跟放射腫瘤治療擴建工程，其實都是苗栗縣民在醫療資源的增加當中非常重視的兩個地方，那的確也是流標多次，急重症6次、放腫大樓14次…… |
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陳委員超明：拜託、拜託。 |
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邱部長泰源：所以現在已經召開多次的檢討會議，我們現在調整預算大概調高到27億元，也在修正計畫，把一坪從原來可能20出頭萬，現在已經調到28萬，應該可以來招標出去。 |
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陳委員超明：你也當過立法委員，你沒有選舉，我有選舉，我曉得我的困難、我的痛苦在哪個地方，你只要說我要去那邊解決問題就好。 |
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邱部長泰源：可以啊！ |
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陳委員超明：因為這邊講的內容我們大概都瞭解，好不好？我們要實際、務實來解決問題，這樣好嗎？讓我拜託一下。 |
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邱部長泰源：好。我們非常樂意到苗栗，跟地方一起解決問題，謝謝。 |
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陳委員超明：這個很重要，不然我們都要送到外縣市，被罵得很慘，好不好？特別拜託。 |
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再來，這個問題看起來蠻大，但是對苗栗很切實，我今天為什麼會把這個問題提出來？部長，你可以回去了，這個可能是內政部跟農業部。今天我提出指定苗栗縣為低丘緩坡示範區，打造臺灣的輕井澤，苗栗縣的山坡地大概占全縣的86%。院長，你知道我們苗栗縣的山坡地，現在一甲地3,000坪大概1,500萬，1,500萬要買新竹的房子、要買臺北的房子的話，買不到10坪，這樣有公平嗎？尤其山坡地的開發，你要看每個地方的情況不一樣，苗栗占了86%，現在農民土地價格下跌，我心中永遠不滿意，這個世界很不公平，你注意聽好，我不知道你有沒有務過農，六都的土地，都市計畫的農業區可以經過都市變更，變成自宅區、商業區，一樣的農民、一樣的農地，它可以變更，但這邊卻被受限的死死。你們都市人星期一到星期五燈紅酒綠在拼命賺錢，禮拜六、禮拜天我們的好山好水、綠山青水要給你們欣賞跟享受，所以限制的非常多。 |
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我今天特別從地方的角度提出一個要求，尤其現在務農，在山坡地缺水缺工，你說要種水果、種水稻，你自己就一年要休耕一次了，你來苛求這個地方，那都是很不務實的想法。低丘緩坡可以到日本看一看，打造出來有多漂亮，我們為什麼要受到這樣的限制？所以我覺得一些法令要修改，譬如農地什麼路要蓋在中央，但山坡地、丘陵地不一樣，還有只有種水果、水稻才叫經濟作物，種高級的樹木不是經濟作物嗎？不要被學者這樣……以為他的思想很先進，那是不實際的，私底下我帶你去看，以前開發的山坡地多好、多漂亮。 |
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我在這裡要特別要求的是，讓苗栗變成低丘緩坡的示範區，一個鄉鎮先做一個或是兩個鄉鎮先做一個來打造看看，不要照以往的傳統觀念來綁架農民，山坡地現在能做什麼？種水果。你知道水果長得那麼多了，沒有人去摘，你們都市人瞭解嗎？不瞭解！現在也缺工，要怎麼耕種？你要如何活化？你們說要保障農民，你們卻把農民的財產降低，都市的農地一直在變更，這是什麼世界？他的農地可以變更，我的山坡地、農地，我不能做什麼，哪有這個道理？院長，我希望你下來看一下。 |
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卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝委員。人口往都會區集中，產業往都會以及各個專業區集中，這個是一個趨勢，所以賴總統提出了…… |
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陳委員超明：所以有錢的越有錢，貧窮的人越窮。 |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
卓院長榮泰：提出幸福農業、快樂農民的政策，所以有農村再生條例等等，還有很多次的補貼，我們都有在做這個事情，當然對農民，我認為這是國家之根本，農業是國家的根本。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
陳委員超明：我說的，跟你講的農村再生條例，我做了這麼久的民意代表，我摸得很清楚，我知道嘛！我這個提出來絕對有用意，絕對是要改變現狀，改變不合理的現狀嘛！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個現狀是不是請部長能夠說明一下？ |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
陳委員超明：我不知道你有沒有務過農，不然你來苗栗，我帶你去走走，你就都知道了。 |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，苗栗地區因為地形特殊，相關的這些坡地農業，我們未來會持續。另外，照你剛才所提到的，在我們的農村再生裡面結合區域治理…… |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
陳委員超明：這裡面寫了很多，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
陳部長駿季：本身就可以達到類似這樣的一個目的。 |
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陳委員超明：不是類似這樣目的，裡面確實有以前很多刁難的條件不一樣，你們可以同意我們苗栗訂定自治法規來做示範區，有做過、有摸過，好壞在這裡面就能顯示出來了，可能給農村帶來不同新的風貌。從這裡去到臺北45分鐘、去到臺中15分鐘、去到高雄75分鐘，臺北人、退休的人搬來這裡不是多好嗎？便宜又好、交通又方便。頭腦要改變、要創新嘛！你哪有創新？嘴巴講創新，一點都不創新。我們每天在跑，我們知道地方的痛苦在哪裡，我們要如何去解決？ |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
卓院長榮泰：委員，是不是你有特定具體的區域或是一個狀況…… |
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陳委員超明：可以！ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
卓院長榮泰：讓部長能夠去瞭解，部長看…… |
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陳委員超明：最好你去啦！部長他們，我相信這個還不敢什麼亂答應，你來走一趟，你來看我們那邊…… |
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卓院長榮泰：部長非常專業…… |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
陳委員超明：你就會覺得…… |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告…… |
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陳委員超明：本來我們就…… |
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陳部長駿季：後續我們再安排我們同仁一起去瞭解它的地形跟它的可行性，包括怎麼樣結合農村再生的計畫去處理。 |
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陳委員超明：好，這很重要。我跟你講，這個觀念很新，不要一成不變，認為農地就是農地，你來看那些，你到那個地方，你會喜歡它，你說你退休會搬來苗栗，我保證啦！好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：苗栗本來就是非常漂亮，好山好水啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
陳委員超明：謝謝。再來，我要討論桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，第一，現在國發會和經濟部，我一直在討論桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，苗栗縣現在已經提出了大概960公頃的一個計畫，裡面包括竹南科第二期、包括頭份的科學園區、包括後龍的科技產業園區，等於是這個地方跟新竹市、新竹縣、新竹科學園區、工研院跟交通大學及清華大學非常近，所以我們要打拼、我們要奮鬥，我們要改變苗栗的命運，我們這個地方已經有科技的基石了，這個大矽谷計畫，報告院長，趕快幫我們核定，讓我們來拼啦！這個是連接北部、連接中部，只缺苗栗這一塊，這一塊連接完成的時候，大概西部走廊的科技廊道就完成了，希望趕快來核定。 |
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卓院長榮泰：這是一個以半導體跟AI串聯起來的，而且能夠建構完整產業生態系的，那麼我們也希望苗栗縣政府能夠繼續把土地盤點出來、能夠增加在竹南或是頭份有適當的土地…… |
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陳委員超明：還有後龍。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是，能夠讓國科會來進行規劃或是辦理，後續的程序，我們來處理。 |
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陳委員超明：沒有啦！我們會送過去。我是特別拜託你，因為部長講過臺灣科技有50年的黃金期，所以我們這個地方開發起來，會改變苗栗的命運、苗栗的未來，我現在不是跟你講假的，我希望這個如果送上來，這幾個計畫你要趕快來核定，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：好，這個經濟部或是國發會目前都有在進行。 |
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陳委員超明：我會請他們到苗栗縣實地考察，你們比較少到苗栗縣，我有去的時候，可以再請你們，苗栗縣真的是一個非常好的地方。 |
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卓院長榮泰：是的。 |
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陳委員超明：這幾個園區是完全……新竹科學園區的那一帶都延伸到這邊，有送出去的話，拜託一下，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：是。 |
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陳委員超明：我們的…… |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
卓院長榮泰：要不要請經濟部回答一下？ |
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陳委員超明：郭部長，你上次有答應，現在在這邊再答應一次。 |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，現在土地的問題是還有一些私有地（私人的土地），這些協調完了以後就馬上可以報縣府。 |
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陳委員超明：我相信很多都須要協調，我自己很瞭解，地方很期盼這個完成。 |
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郭部長智輝：是。 |
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陳委員超明：國發會主委送到這兩個地方，這個土地的變更大概是由內政部、國發會和行政院核定的，以後要推動是你們在推動的，好不好？給苗栗縣注入一股加油的力量，給我們一點勝利，不然看到的都是你們臺南、高雄、嘉義，再不然就是到新竹那邊去了，我們這邊是寶地，對你們也友善，不缺水、不缺電，還不會地震，你們要去哪裡選這種地方，好不好？ |
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劉主任委員鏡清：好的，我們會配合經濟部一起…… |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
陳委員超明：院長，你帶著微笑，到底好不好？幫我們加油一下。 |
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劉主任委員鏡清：好啊！為你們加油。 |
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陳委員超明：院長，我講的你是聽不清楚，還是怎樣？要給他們回答，讓大家多認識一下？ |
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卓院長榮泰：主委跟部長都會到現場，瞭解狀況以後，我們就照目前進行的程序一直進行，也希望地方縣政府也能夠加強配合。 |
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陳委員超明：好，那大矽谷計畫，現在換交通部了，請交通部的李部長，你們請回座。 |
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交通部李部長，苗栗縣的建設以往都被忽略，像台13甲，全臺灣省4線道的省公路最後一段在苗栗，這是在我任內把它完成的。 |
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李部長孟諺：是。 |
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陳委員超明：部長，你當過行政院秘書長，我也跟你們接洽過好幾次。 |
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李部長孟諺：是。 |
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陳委員超明：報告院長，這個大矽谷計畫對苗栗的發展很重要，我今天有幾點要特別提出來，請幫我們加強注重。我也感謝上一次你們核定了台61線，就是西濱公路本來是從新竹到香山，我爭取到最後從香山連接到後龍一共180億，謝謝李部長打電話來，我特別感謝你，這一條很重要，我希望能趕快快速地推動；還有苗栗縣的台72線接台61線西濱公路，這一段也核定了40.23億；再來海線的雙軌化，院長，鐵路的雙軌化到苗栗都被留到後面做，那六十幾億，我苦苦地哀求了好幾年，現在才推動這個綜合規劃，我希望這個綜合規劃能趕快儘速地進行，好不好？ |
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這裡面，我們的台72線叫做南橫，苗栗縣現在交通網缺了一個重要的點，就是所有重要道路，譬如國道1號、國道3道都沒有聯絡網，台72線剛好可以做這個聯絡網，你在銅鑼還是頭份那邊做一個聯絡網的道路連接著國道1號，然後現在你有經過國道3號到西濱，但是國道3號卻沒有聯絡網的交通，這一點可以編列進去，因為這個帶動循環，不管你科技的發展、不管你觀光的發展，這幾個交通的匝道把它完成的話，我相信苗栗縣的交通建設就會非常地完整，這個要好好拜託一下。 |
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李部長孟諺：跟委員報告，您提到的這幾個有關苗栗的重大交通建設，有的可行性已經核定，現在相關的規劃在進入進一步的階段，這個我們會加速流程，特別是72聯絡61…… |
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陳委員超明：對、對、對，這個就是這樣。 |
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李部長孟諺：這個我想是很重要，讓快速路網可以銜接，這個部分的可行性也已經核定，我們後面來加速推動…… |
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陳委員超明：好。 |
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李部長孟諺：可能有一個，也跟委員報告，就是台72連接國一及國三跟既有的交流道都太近，都不足2公里，另外，台72又是沿著後龍溪，所以它會有河川公地的這個問題，這個我們還在想辦法克服…… |
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陳委員超明：河川公地比較好解決，私人土地比較難解決，這個不是問題，我瞭解，好不好？ |
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李部長孟諺：有一個破堤的問題。 |
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陳委員超明：好。 |
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再來，因應大矽谷計畫，新竹縣市已經有輕軌計畫，院長，但是我跟你報告，竹南、頭份是很重要的兩個鄉鎮，它們跟新竹市、跟科學園區完全是連接在一起，如果你真的要發展這個科技走廊，一定要把竹南、頭份拉入這個輕軌計畫，它們都在隔壁，是連在一起的，對於未來的交通改善，會有很大的幫助。新竹科學園區有很多我們苗栗人在那裡上班，我想院長及我們部長，這個輕軌計畫，我會請苗栗縣政府提出來，輕軌連接到竹南、頭份，因為這兩個是鄰近的鄉鎮，比鄰在一起的，好不好？這樣可以嗎？突然提這個，你們好像還不怎麼清楚，還是怎麼樣？ |
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李部長孟諺：這個部分，我們會再進一步瞭解，不過目前新竹的輕軌因為有縣及市，所以新竹縣市正在整合…… |
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陳委員超明：再加一個苗栗縣，你下來的話，我看就會解決了，他們大概也有溝通協調，我大概瞭解，好不好？這一點給我們加強一下，你要曉得，苗栗縣的重大計畫是靠海的地方有科技走廊，山邊的話，有觀光休閒，海邊的人賺錢，給山邊的人去休閒享受，這是一個基本的概念及規劃，希望你全力支持，因為那邊水庫很多，你們以前不缺水，苗栗縣幫忙很多。 |
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李部長孟諺：我也要跟委員報告，這次端午連假全國各縣市的旅館住房率，苗栗是名列前茅。 |
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陳委員超明：我剩下沒有多少時間，改天再邀你下來。 |
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還有兩個，就是我們海線通霄及銅鑼科學園區，通霄的人口本來是第4名，現在掉到第7名，沒有產業在那邊，所以我主張開一條從銅鑼科學園區到通霄，這叫做通霄產業生命之路，目前這個先跟你要550萬評估費用給我們，讓我們趕快來進行，因為未來的重大建設還是要你們行政院、交通部來支持，好不好？ |
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再來，剩下1分鐘，苑裡車站，我們的副院長，你的家鄉，你要好好照顧，你下來看，這個人家特別交代我碰到你要轉告給你，這個跨站式站房要解決。還有苗栗縣最可憐的鄉鎮，到最近才有7-ELEVEN，以前我成功爭取在高速公路西湖服務區裡面設立南入北出聯外道路，因為那個地形高，現在我們找到一條捷徑，就是北入南出，這個需要9,000萬，我們現在依財政收支劃分法負債那麼高，這個差不多要9,000多萬，院長，我先跟你報告一下，支持我們，以前蘇貞昌院長最支持這個，這個地方要的經費免配合款，他去看的時候覺得這個鄉鎮發展實在受限制，我希望你也幫我解決這個問題，好不好？ |
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卓院長榮泰：這個我們會去看過之後，再來跟委員討論。 |
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陳委員超明：好，我覺得你很少下來苗栗，選舉的時候你當秘書長，也沒有下來，還好你沒有下來，我比較輕鬆。 |
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卓院長榮泰：有啦！有啦！下次也去拜訪委員。 |
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陳委員超明：下次下來，我看…… |
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卓院長榮泰：下次一定去拜訪委員。 |
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陳委員超明：內政部長（劉部長），苗栗警察局特別拜託我，因為精華區裡我們有一個大的開發計畫，你放心，我們是真正做事的人，那時候警察局詢問你的啦！苗栗警察局，這個特別幫忙一下，好不好？好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝陳委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
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報告院會，休息10分鐘，休息之後，繼續進行質詢，現在休息。 |
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休息（10時19分） |
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繼續開會（10時30分） |
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施政質詢
對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─ |
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副院長好首先有請我們行政院卓院長請卓院長背信陳委員好卓院長好你的施政報告裡面我確確實實讀了一遍我相信我比所有的立法委員還努力的讀你施政報告我這裡面都是做了筆記 |
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把你所講的施政報告每一句每一句我好惹那裡面你寫到我們要以行動完成夢想我們要創新帶來突破接任行政院長本來不是我人生的規劃但選擇接受此議任務我就會全力以赴 |
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重點在這兩句話未來哪裡有困難我和行政團隊就到哪裡哪裡有問題我就想辦法解決問題所以今天我第一個主題苗栗現在在轉型發展我們需要行政院大力的支持讓苗栗縣源頭趕上 |
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所以苗栗縣是在猛力奔跑,不是在走路。問題請稍微緊拍表表。真的要你這AI的團隊裡面來務實協助苗栗縣。等一下我提出來的問題,就是苗栗縣的困難。苗栗縣的問題在哪裡?第一個我先這樣子,總委員長我是有準備而來的。 |
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我必須向你提出困難問題解釋。我必須拿出很具體的。第一個我要跟你探討的就是我們現在財政收支化分化。我的主題苗栗牡栗創碎應有公平的對待。所以你在我們財政收支化分化裡面應該增加激勵的制度。鼓勵創碎的先進。 |
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我現在從110年到112年的稅收這三個縣市是五級財政縣市苗栗縣從111年到112年一共為中央創稅877億但是這三年期間我苗栗縣只分到468億所以我們都交給中央409億 |
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那嘉峪縣110的議案才225億他中央補助52億你們倒貼317億屏東縣577億那個中央補貼809億你們232億台幣我趴屁去創稅結果我在統籌分配款一般補助款反而變少了這母女的孩子 |
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沒有堂吃。還有穿睡越多補治變成越少。這不合理不公平。那我今天可能明天財主說這從國民黨民進黨執政每一個人都需要改都沒有改。因為這改了你們就講知識體大。但是我穿睡能力高你應該說給我。 |
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我們苗栗縣的負債如果以這樣暢銷的比例你每年都給我補支100億我馬上就解決回歸正常的財務計算這是很不公平這是過癮的這是保險苗栗縣我希望你大友的你想要改進的 |
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一個行政院長好好地處理這個問題這個問題是確實發生在尤其財政跟組織不要有偏見我們應該得到我們公平的待遇院長你怎麼樣回答一下我只強調激勵制度 |
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謝謝委員我知道苗栗縣的財政一直是在臺灣各縣市當中比較特殊的那中央政府長年以來也持續做著補助你沒有偏見有歧視啊我現在還誤寨四百億天天被你們財政控管天天被你們盯著鑰匙我趴屁股沒到什麼事情啊對啦已經行之多年但是中央對苗栗的補助從來也不會少過 |
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看到這個數字應該很多是在統籌會面所以各地競爭型的我拜託了好幾次我希望大家要有良心一點不然我們有事的人敢看苗栗選舉其實我們要發展我們只有四、五百億你們這間電視都整個城業六都裡面我們看到心很痛不要為大都市的選票怕命我們這整個城市已經是很混亂的這樣好不好我希望改進有要的就會從這邊考慮給苗栗多一點可以嗎 |
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我時間有限,我說明聽了太多次,我直接找院長,不是我去講的,摸了太久都一清二楚了好不好,院長你跟我講多考慮一下都好。 |
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好不好,多考慮一下嘛,因為你們答了幾十年都一樣的答案嘛,好不好。請回座,我要你們的錢,不敢讓你們站了太久。第二個問題,我請內政部長。苗栗縣警察局重建軍會,我們需要你支援。 |
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苗栗縣的警察局蓋到現在是屬於臺灣省最古老的第二個警察局那在中央補助裏面在112年答應給我們14億84萬那因為整個那個通貨的膨脹113年中央說要補助我們16億9988萬 我就講17億到多少 |
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當時裡面苗栗縣要自籌6.6億。您的怎麼樣?上一代你們的行政院裡面有答應。就是說113年3月吳哲成政委召集的話,請內政部履行確認,談為沿河類補治案件及補治前端第五期匡列預算,以便執行的一致性和完整性。那個劉部長。 |
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拜託一下,我們現在還欠什麼?第5期前陣子我幫我看能不能這樣好嗎? |
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還缺3億,給我去計劃 |
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現在苗栗縣政府要自籌6億6500多萬那現在我們經過行政院秘書長的含富的結果是希望我們由內政部來自行合組但是我們會覺得說苗栗縣政府可不可以先把所有的工程流程都走完有不夠的部分的話我們會呈報到行政院用未來的前瞻計畫再納入考量也就是說賣蛋 |
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還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有還沒有 |
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我馬上請他們就送過來。是委員,我要跟你講的就沒有人要你管出,還有其他的機關要你跑嗎?所以才增加整個量體,你也知道。院長你說要解決問題,有困難在哪裡你一定到,我這個是專案內管的好不好?這個已經比原來核定的金額要多。原來核定的金額要多就通貨膨脹,通貨膨脹以後整個算過吧,不是要給自己愛情的啦。通貨膨脹沒辦法說十八億好不好? |
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通貨膨脹風潮被我的發言修改。 |
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不是,我們請苗栗縣政府先加速各項的工程流程,然後如果確定有不足的部分的話呢,我們會請行政院納入未來的前瞻計畫。我回去轉告給他們,這樣我處理得盡啦,這樣好不好?委員報告,原來補助11億,後來增加的單位增加到16億,要請苗栗縣政府把那個增加的流程要補足。 |
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而且他增加之後,自己在地方自治事項裡面開付出負擔的...沒有,他的補助款也隨著負擔啦。您在講什麼,是不是...負擔6億嘛。這比較難做,你們那個不會啦。好好做就一定會票數增加啦。好,謝謝。再來苗栗醫院的。呃,劉部長,拜託啊。我們不是這樣啦。我們是乾苦的孩子。 |
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委員好部長好苗栗市支援醫療支援比較缺乏的地方苗栗縣的集中生醫院集總流中心講了好久110年111年施政方院長到現在為止每一個地方去每一個都要做到現在113年 |
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齁,這個工程已經流標了,放射腫瘤流標14次,集中症醫院擴建流標6次,就是欠錢嘛,要一直流標嘛,啊你這個能拜託嗎?每一次到的時候,選舉到的時候大家都要講重視苗栗的醫療資源,這點,能特別拜託?啊不,欸,院長,這是苗栗困難問題。 |
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的所在我希望你尊重的解決。我不是來應付的,大家插證你都幾十年了解的。我是很真心誠意請你幫我們解決問題。請你幫我們倒數一下。怎麼樣,這個能不能趕快? |
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我們很注重各地這種醫療水準的完全的提升所以醫療設施醫療設備包括這個中大型醫院能夠在縣市裡面讓它興建而且充實內容當然是對於國人的健康最有幫助的但是衛福部也一定是詳實在規劃那這個苗栗醫院已經進行到相當的程度這個已經到產有研究的問題新內閣新氣象新AI的內閣 |
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謝謝委員長期對苗栗營醫療資源的爭取,我們非常感謝 |
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那有關於集中症醫療計畫大樓跟放射腫瘤治療擴建工程其實都是苗栗縣民在醫療資源的增加當中非常重視的兩個地方那的確也是流標多次集中症6次放腫大樓14次所以現在已經召開多次的檢討會議 |
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你沒有選舉,我有選舉,我曉得我困難、我痛苦在哪個地方。你只要說我要去那邊解決問題就好。 |
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這個問題看起來蠻大,但是對苗栗很確實。 |
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我今天怎麼樣,我自己就問一下。部長你可以回去了,這個可能是內政部跟農業部。今天我提出來,指定苗栗縣為地區環坡釋放區,打造臺灣的清淨者。苗栗縣的山坡地大概佔全縣的86%。院長,你知道我們苗栗縣的山坡地現在一家中3000坪,大概1500萬。 |
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一千五百萬要買你身上的房子,要買你台北的房子,買不到十平,啊你這樣有公平嗎?尤其山坡地的開發,你要看每個地方的情況不一樣,明天你占了86%,現在農民土地價格下跌,我心中永遠不滿意的。這個世界真沒有公平,你主意聽好,我不知道你有做過事嗎? |
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那六都的土地都市化、基化的農業區可以經過都市變更,變成自宅區、商業區。一樣的農民、一樣的農地它可以變,這邊被受限了10時點。 |
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阿你們都市人,星期一到星期五燈紅酒綠在這旁邊參詢。拜那禮拜,我們的好山好水、綠山清,要給你們心想,來享受疫情,限制的非常多。所以我今天特別為地方鐵絲結絲要求大家, |
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而尤其現在物農在山坡地切水切工,你說要種水果種水稻,你自己就一年要休耕一次了,你來科學這個地方,那種就不務實的想法。 |
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那我們地球環保到日本看一看打造出來有多漂亮我們為什麼又做不到這樣的宣傳所以我就這樣一刮看兩台手蓋譬如你農地什麼路要蓋在中央你山坡地、丘陵地不一樣還有只有種水果水稻才叫做經濟作物我種高級的樹木不是經濟作物嘛不要被學者這樣以為他的思想很先進那不實際 |
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私底下我帶你去看以前開發的散歩地多好,多漂亮。我特別要求的是在苗栗成為第二次反撲的示範區,一個鄉鎮先做一個,兩個鄉鎮做一個,來打造看看。 |
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不可以照以往的傳統觀念來拋棄農民啊。山坡地現在要做什麼?要自家立產,自家寫到什麼地啊?沒有人去展。你們都市人了解嗎?不了解。現在的缺工要怎麼耕種?你要如何活化?你們說保障農民,你把農民的財產降低。都市的農地一直在變更,這是什麼血感?因為農地會變成我的山坡地、農地,我不會做什麼。怎麼會這樣? |
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委員長,我希望你下來看一下。好,謝謝委員。人口往都會區集中,產業往都會以及各個專業區集中,這個是一個趨勢。所以,賴總統在提出了幸福農業快樂農民的這個政策,所謂對農村再生條例等等,還有很多式的補貼,我們都有在做這個事情。 |
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那當然對農民我認為,這國家是根本,農業國家是根本。我這個提出來絕對有用意,絕對是要改變現狀,改變不合理的現狀嘛。這個現狀是不是部長能夠說明一下,請博士部長說明一下。 |
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沒有,我跟委員報告齁,就是苗栗地區因為它地形特殊齁,那相關的這些波地農業我們未來會持續。然後另外照你剛才所提到的齁,在我們的農村再生裡面結合區域治理本身齁,就可以達到這樣,類似這樣的一個目的啦。不是類似這樣的目的,來的確實以前很多刁難的條件不一樣。 |
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您的同意我們要先定日自治法規才4萬7有做過有摸過好壞在這裡面就能顯示出來可能給農村帶來不同心這去到台北45分鐘去到台中15分鐘去到高雄75分鐘到台北退休的人本來這裡不是多好,縮都好 |
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搞什麼方便?頭腦要改變要創新嘛,你哪有創新?嘴巴講創新一點都不創新。 |
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委員﹚陳超明委員﹚陳超明 |
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再來我要討論 |
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陶芝苗大溪谷計劃。第一,現在韓國國務法會,你們這經濟部我一直在討論陶芝苗大溪谷計劃苗栗縣現在已經提出了大概960公頃的一個計劃,裡面包括職產科第二期 |
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包括頭雲的科學園區包括厚隆的科技產業園區這個地方跟新竹市、新竹縣、新竹科學園區、跟公園院、跟交通大學、跟清華大學非常近,等於是啊。所以我們要打拚,我們要分手,我們要改變苗栗的命運。 |
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我們這個地方已經有科技的基礎地,這個大溪谷之外,報告院長趕快幫我們核定,讓我們來拚。這個是連接北部,連接中部,只缺苗栗這一塊。這一塊連接完成的時候,大概溪部走廊的科技廊道就完成了。 |
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這是一個以半導體跟AI串聯起來的,而且能夠建構完整產業生態系的。那麼我們也希望說苗栗縣政府能夠繼續的把土地盤點出來,能夠增加在竹南或是頭份有適當的土地,能夠讓國科會來進行規劃或是辦理。那持續後的這個程度我們來處理。我是特別拜託你,因為王部長 |
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講過我們臺灣的科技有50年的黃金期所以我們這個地方開發起來會改變苗栗的命運苗栗的未來我這不是跟你講假的我希望你這個如果送上來要趕快來核定好不好這幾個計畫 |
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好 這個經濟部或是國外會都有目前的進度在進行我會請他們到苗栗縣實地考察你們比較少到苗栗縣我去的時候我科家在請你們你真的假如苗栗縣是一個非常好的地方這幾個園區是完全新築科學園區的那一帶都延伸到這邊有衝出去的話拜託一下好不好我們的那個郭部長 |
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你上次有答應喔,現在這邊再答應一次喔。報告委員,這個現在土地的問題是還有一些私有地啦,私人的土地,這些協調完了以後啊,就馬上可以報銜。我相信很多都需要協調,我自己很了解,地方很期盼這個完成。國化委主委送到這兩個地方,這個大概是土地的變更是由內政部跟國化部、行政院合訂的。 |
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阿姨要推動是你們在推動的好不好給苗栗縣支一股加油的力量給我們一點勝利不然看來你們台南高雄、甲嶼、阿摩的行就走掉了我表明是保地你們不切水不切電阿不搭檔你們去哪裡選擇的地方好不好 |
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主委跟部長都會到現場了解狀況以後,我們就照這個目前進行的程序一直進行,那也希望地方政府、縣政府也能夠加強配合。現在換交通部啦 |
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交通部的李部長,你們請回座。交通部李部長 |
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苗栗縣的建設以往都要被篇幅掉像台13甲前台灣省四線道的省公路最後一段在苗栗在我任內把它完成了所以尤其我們的部長你當過行政院秘書長我會跟你們接洽了好幾次那報告院長 |
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這個大西湖計畫苗栗發展很重要我今天特別提出來有幾點請幫我們加強之重那我也感謝上一次你們也合訂了台61線也就是西邊公路從新竹本來到香山我曾經的話這要從香山連接到貨龍一共180億 |
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謝謝你打電話來我特別感謝你這一條很重要我希望趕快快速的推動還有苗栗縣的台72縣接台61西邊公路這一條也核定了40.23億 |
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再來,海線的雙規劃,一定嗎?鐵路的雙規劃,鐵路的雙規劃在廟宇都給我撈到蓋後面。60幾月苦苦地哀求了好幾年,現在才推動這個綜合規劃。我希望這個綜合規劃能趕快及時地進行好不好。那這裡面,我們的台72線,叫做南橫。 |
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苗栗縣現在交通網缺了一個重要點,就是所有重要道路,譬如台一縣,國道一號、國道三號都沒有聯絡網。那台七十二縣剛好可以做這個聯絡網。你在銅鑼還是投屋那邊做一個聯絡網的道路,連接著國道一號。 |
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然後現在你有經過國道3號到西邊但是國道3號你沒有聯絡網的交通這邊可以編列進去因為這個帶動循環不管你科技的發展不管你觀光的發展這幾個那個交通的閘道把它完成的話我相信苗栗縣的交通建設就會非常的完整啊這個好好拜託 |
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跟委員報告就是您提到的這幾個有關苗栗的重大的交通建設那有的已經可行性已經核定那現在再進入相關的規劃進一步的建設這個我們會加速流程那現在比較特別是72聯絡這個我想很重要 |
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可以讓這個快速入網可以銜接那這個部分已經可行性也核定我們在後面來加速推動那可能有一個就是也跟委員報告就是臺72連接國一跟國三他跟既有的交流道都太近都不足兩公里那另外72又是沿著後龍溪所以他會有這個河川工地的這個問題 |
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那這個我們還在想辦法克服。因為你稍微站起來,再來大西谷計劃新竹縣市已經有牽軌計劃。但是院長我跟您報告,自然頭分是很重要的一個兩個鄉鎮。它跟新竹市跟科學園區完全是連接在一起的。 |
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那這個輕軌計劃如果你真的要發展這個科技走廊一定要把主軟頭拉住這個輕軌計劃,他都雞皮疙瘩在背地那對於交通對於未來的交通改善會很大的幫助 |
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新的科學研究就有5秒來人,等一下上班。那我想,院長跟我們部長,這個輕軌計畫,我會請苗栗縣政府提出來。連接著輕軌主覽特訓,因為兩個是鄰近的相似,結比鄰在一起的,好不好?齁,這個議員,突然提出來,你們好像還不怎麼稱職還是? |
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就是這個部分我們會再進一步了解不過現在目前新竹的輕軌因為有縣跟市所以新竹縣市正在整合再加一個苗栗縣你下來的話我看就會解決了我大概他們也有溝通協調我大概了解好不好這點給我們加強一下你要曉得苗栗縣的重大計畫是靠海的地方科技走廊 |
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三邊的話觀光休閒海邊的人賺錢給三邊的人去休閒享受這是一個基本的概念跟規劃在希望你全力支持因為那邊水庫很多你們以前不缺水苗栗縣幫忙很多 |
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這次我也要跟委員報告,這次端午的連假,全國各縣市的旅館的住房率、苗率是...我剩下沒有多少,我改天再邀你下來。現在還有兩條,就是我們海線通宵跟銅鑼科學園區, |
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通宵的人口本來是第四名的現在掉到第七名,沒有產業在那邊。所以我主張開一條從銅鑼科學園期到通宵,這叫做通宵產業生命之路。這沒得,先給你挨五百、五十萬,評估費用來好分,好分年趕緊來進行。 |
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因為未來的重大建設還是要你們行政院交通部來支持啦好不好再來剩下一分鐘院裡的車站我們的副院長你的家鄉你要好好照顧哈你下來看這個特別人家交代我說不到你要轉告給你副院長這個姊姊那個跨站市長還有苗栗縣最可憐的鄉鎮到最近才有7-11 |
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以前我在高速公路裏面設立了藍日北出因為那個地選高所以交流啦現在我們也找到一條捷徑的路就是北日藍出,這要高層滿我們現在你財政收入化分化負債那麼高這條差不多高層幾萬,一定我先幫你報告一下,給我支持一下以前施政長院長最支持這個 |
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大概這個地方要的經費他沒配額款他去看的時候結果這個鄉鎮實在發展受限制了我希望你也幫我解決這個問題好不好這個我們會去看過之後再來跟委員討論我看你這樣下去表演齁你選舉當秘書長會沒有人了 |
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好,謝謝陳委員好,謝謝卓院長 |
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報告院會休息10分鐘,休息之後繼續進行質詢。 |