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154022 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/154022 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T13:51:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T13:59:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:51:37 - 13:59:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長李孟諺列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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傅委員崐萁：（13時51分）主席，請部長。 |
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主席：請李部長。 |
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李部長孟諺：委員好。 |
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傅委員崐萁：部長，謝謝你在0403大地震之後到花蓮做相關的災情探勘，以及對怎麼重建提出了很多的意見。本席今天還是讓你再來複習一下，當時大地震不管在台8縣還是蘇花公路，我們來看一下當時地震的情況。 |
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傅委員崐萁：當時蘇花公路幾乎每一個路段，還有台8線，可以說隨時都會要人命！在地震過後，當時您擔任行政院秘書長，也來花蓮勘災，請問部長，當時本席一直要求對整個蘇花公路以及台8線要做澈底的安全評估，明隧道能做的部分儘量做，因為現在隨時會坍下來，隨時會要人的命，東部的鄉親為什麼還在走這種古道、還要面對這樣一個人命隨時會被剝奪的基本人權問題？請教現在蘇花公路跟台8線評估的狀況怎麼樣？ |
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李部長孟諺：我是不是請局長跟您報告？ |
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傅委員崐萁：可以。 |
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陳局長文瑞：跟委員報告，台8線東段這個部分在4月3日地震之後，我們初步搶通之後，後續的部分大概就是沿線還有6處的邊坡需要再做進一步整治，大概在年底會完成。台8線花蓮東段部分，我們也規劃有4處的明隧道，也會持續來進行。另外，委員提到整段的，就是台8線在4月3號地震之後，後續比較長遠的評估，我們也會啟動整個地質的調查，會有一個研究案。 |
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傅委員崐萁：局長，現在不管是要做4處的明隧道，你要瞭解在整個地質鬆動以後，要顧及到所有用路人的安全，它的係數到底是多少？整體的評估要儘快啟動，本席已經講了很多次，要儘快來啟動。我們看一下照片，前天6月12日凌晨，台8線174K又坍掉了，可以看到坍掉的情況是整個路全部埋掉！看下一張，我們都不敢講，現在在一個已開發國家臺灣還有人民在走這樣的道路，連衣索比亞都還不如，人命在這裡大概是沒有什麼價值。再看下一張，我們光看怪手在整個坍方的情況之下真的非常渺小，所以我們要瞭解交通部基本的立場，部長對交通平權及生命無價是用什麼樣的心態來看待？ |
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李部長孟諺：跟委員報告，這個現場我在5月29日也有再去過一次，確實沿線真的是怵目驚心，現在針對中橫的部分，除了剛剛講的4個明隧道以外，我們也請公路局啟動一個規劃，就是做一個長隧道的規劃，提供更安全的…… |
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傅委員崐萁：本席再強調一次，應該要把臺灣居住在這塊土地上的人民都當作是同樣的子民。 |
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李部長孟諺：當然。 |
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傅委員崐萁：要儘快做完整的評估，看要怎麼樣來做所有的安全補強。 |
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李部長孟諺：是。 |
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傅委員崐萁：另外蘇花安現在進度怎麼樣？ |
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李部長孟諺：蘇花安環評已經小組通過，我們會儘速讓大會來核定，接著就是啟動相關的設計，包括公建計畫的核定跟相關設計跟發包，所以預估應該在明年底、後年初可以動工。 |
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傅委員崐萁：本席從四年多前一直詢問到現在，我要特別再喚醒您的記憶，蘇花改是在民國100年1月29日動工，在109年1月6日通車，為什麼要喚醒部長的記憶？就是從105年以後民進黨執政到現在，已經整整8年多，蘇花改的後續蘇花安到現在都還不知道什麼時候可以動工，希望部長給我一個期程，好不好？ |
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李部長孟諺：是，剛剛有跟委員報告，那就看看…… |
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傅委員崐萁：你就給我詳細的期程。 |
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李部長孟諺：因為這個是要二階環評，所以通常需要3到4年。 |
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傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，你們估一個時間，不要說是4年以後好不好？ |
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李部長孟諺：不會。 |
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傅委員崐萁：主席，我們發言時間很短。另外再看一下花東快，2012年的評估，在2016年公布的時候，花東快148公里、819億。但是我們很遺憾，在2016年公布以後，2017年的前瞻基礎建設計畫並沒有納入，在院會表決被否決掉了。在經過2020年重新研究，去（2023）年出來是2,555億，固然多了26公里，但是整體卻要2,555億。所以本席在這裡再一次的表達，這是臺灣最卑微的一個基礎建設，現在如果再不做，未來要多少錢才能做？物價不斷上漲。 |
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再看最後一張，楊梅到頭份段的拓寬，36公里、1,314億，1公里36.5億；花東快170公里，以現在估算2,555億，1公里14.7億。1公里14.7億要不要興建？而在西部1公里要36.5億，這個已經核定了，所以花東快請儘快核定，讓東部有一條平安的路可以走。部長，也請提供書面給本席，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝，傅崐萁委員發言完畢。 |
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現在請陳培瑜委員發言。在陳委員發言之前，簡單做個說明。本委員會是很佛心的，是佛教聖地，我們對於每個委員發言時間，其他委員會的委員是5分鐘，也不會其他委員會比較少。而且我們都會給委員30秒做收尾，如果30秒無法收尾的時候，到1分鐘我們才會有一些心領神會的眼神，希望委員趕快來做收尾。以上做個報告。 |
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請陳培瑜委員發言。 |
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主席,請部長。請你部長。部長,謝謝。謝謝你在0403大地震的時候有到花蓮來做相關的這些災情的探勘以及要怎麼重建,也提出了很多的意見。本席今天還是讓你再來複習一下。 |
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這個當時大地震不管是在台八線還是在蘇花公路再看一下當時地震的情況好不好不是這個啦影片啦再看一下齁蘇花公路 |
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其幾乎每一個路段,還有台八線都隨時會要人命了。 |
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好,可以了,可以了,可以了在當時地震過後當時您擔任行政秘書長也來花蓮來這個看災 |
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請問一下部長當時本席一直要求對整個蘇花公路以及台八線要做一個徹底的一個安全的評估民粹道能做的部分盡量做因為現在隨時會攤下來隨時會要人的命我想東部的鄉親為什麼還在走這種古道這種古道還要面對這樣的一個人命隨時會碰到 |
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臺巴縣東段地震後後續的部分的話大概就是說這個沿線我們還有六處的一個邊坡需要再做一個進一步的一個 |
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部長 局長 |
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現在你不管做四處的明隧道你要了解說到底現在整個地質鬆動以後所有用路人的安全他的系數到底是多少要一個整體的一個評估要盡快的啟動也不惜你講了很多次要盡快來啟動我們看一下那個照片讓你看一下這個又是前天6月12號凌晨 |
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臺巴縣174K又攤掉了可以看到這個攤掉這個情況是整個路全部埋掉來下一張這幾乎啊這我們都不敢講啊現在在一個已開發國家臺灣還有人民啊在走這樣的一個道路這個連衣索匹啊都還不如齁這個人命在這裡大概是沒有什麼價值 |
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交通部基本立場 |
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對一個交通平權生命無價是用什麼樣的心態來看待部長跟委員報告這個現場我有在5月29號有再去過一次那確實是沿線真的是觸目驚心那現在除了臺巴針對這個中橫的部分除了剛剛講的四個民隧道以外那我們也請公路體育 |
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290.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
294.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
應該要把臺灣居住在這塊土地上的人民都是同樣的子民當然要盡快做一個完整的一個評估要怎麼樣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
309.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
334.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
蘇花安現在進度怎麼樣蘇花安環評已經小組通過那我們會儘速讓大會來合併那接著就是啟動相關的設計公建計畫的合併跟相關設計跟發包所以預估應該在明年底後年初從4年多前一直詢問到現在我要特別再喚醒你的記憶 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
335.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
344.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
蘇花改是在民國100年1月29號動工在119年1月6號通車為什麽要喚醒部長的記憶就是從105年以後民進黨執政到現在已經整整8年多蘇花改的後續蘇花案到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
362.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
365.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
本席在這裡啊這個沒關係啊那個主席啊我們時間很短齁我再看一下我們的花東快齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
391.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
409.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
2012年的評估在2016年公佈的時候滑動快148公里819億但是我們很遺憾在2016年公佈以後2017年的前瞻基礎計劃並沒有納入在院會表決被否決掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
410.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
436.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
那在經過2020重新研究2023年去年出來現在是2555億固然多了26公里但是整體卻要2555億所以本席在這裡再一次的表達這是台灣最卑微的一個基礎建設現在如果再不做未來要多少錢才能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
438.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
444.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
河東快174公里以現在估算2555億一公里14.7億一個14.71公里要不要興建而在西部一公里要36.5億這個已經核定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
468.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
477.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
華東快請盡快核定讓東部有一條平安的路可以走部長這一份也請書面給本席 |