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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153993 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-16 |
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第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
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委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
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第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T10:50:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T11:02:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:44 |
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| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:50:06 - 11:02:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長李孟諺列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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陳委員雪生：（10時50分）謝謝昆澤召委，請交通部長、航港局長、民航局長及航政司長。 |
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主席：請點到名的官員上臺。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長早安。 |
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李部長孟諺：召委早。 |
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陳委員雪生：上次部長拜會我，第一次見面留下非常好的印象。 |
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李部長孟諺：謝謝召委。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長非常的客氣、謙虛。 |
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李部長孟諺：不敢。 |
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陳委員雪生：歡迎你到交通部來服務，是我們民眾之福。 |
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李部長孟諺：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：我有一個問題，民國80年以前戰地政務還沒解除，臺灣到馬祖的交通是靠什麼？靠軍艦，交通是由國防部在負責，後來馬祖陸續引進了船隻，還有空中交通，建設了機場，馬祖才有空中的飛行。到目前為止，航港局的部分，臺北港到福澳港有用油補貼、油料補貼，局長，是嘛？ |
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葉局長協隆：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：南北竿我們有小三通航線到大陸，一定是虧損的，因為人員不夠，船隻比較大，油料耗損比較多，所以有虧損補貼，一年大概虧損一、兩千萬，這都由航港局補貼了。還有基隆港到馬祖，因為那個船大概是5,000噸，載的人也不見得那麼多，這個虧損補貼也是由航港局在負責，透過一個連江航業來補貼。 |
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我現在講到空中的航線，松山機場到北竿，以前國內第二家航空公司進駐以後，松山機場到北竿沒有人願意去，為什麼呢？虧損，所以沒有人願意飛。現在我們提高雄航線到馬祖，我一直提，提了快2年了，一直找民航局、航港局、觀光局談，談不下來，我甚至到總質詢向院長質詢，到現在還無解。高雄到馬祖原來是有空中航線的，高雄跟南竿的航線是立榮航空在飛，93年10月12號開航，高雄航線初期是週二、四、六每天飛一班，也就是禮拜二、禮拜四及禮拜六每天飛一班，民國94年4月1號停航，停航的原因是什麼？虧損，然後用油量的部分，因為航程比較遠，我們在馬祖的機場沒辦法加油，所以減重飛行，航程又比較遠，那時候票價是四千多塊。 |
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部長，我一直要求民航局能夠補助1,000萬來做高雄跟馬祖的空中航線，我想國內的交通既然在馬祖地區蓋了兩座機場──一個南竿機場、一個北竿機場，民航局就要負起這個責任來嘛，是不是？要負起這個責任來。民航局在擔心什麼呢？擔心援引效應，因為澎湖也有馬公機場嘛，但只有一個機場啊，他怕援引效應，就是澎湖也來要求各路的飛機也要飛澎湖，因為怕會有援引效應，所以建議由觀光署來補助，初期希望用包機的方式辦理，民航局建議以包機方式辦理，縣長、議長還有本席也聯袂拜訪了民航局、拜訪了立榮航空、拜訪了華信航空，現在比較有意願的是華信航空。因為華信航空目前只有飛南竿，經過初步的探討，華信航空評估以包機方式來回的成本一趟要57萬，以57萬倒回來算，單純的票價大概一張是四千九百多塊錢，以票價四千九百多塊錢來說，高雄人到馬祖或馬祖人到高雄搭機的意願就很低了。 |
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現在高雄那邊，我們馬祖軍中的子弟大概占了一半，所以老百姓的聲音還小，軍方的聲音更大，軍方這些從軍的子弟如果要回高雄，先要在松山機場落或是基隆碼頭的港口落，落了以後還要再搭高鐵或是再轉機回高雄，我想這個對在前線服役的子弟也不公平。另外就是高雄很多的鄉親希望到馬祖觀光，他們走哪一條線？他們從高雄先到金門去，金門到廈門、廈門到福州、福州到馬祖，用這種方式來，因為馬祖在觀光季的時候一票難求。所以我想交通部對離島偏鄉有行的便利的義務跟責任，部長，你覺得呢？ |
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李部長孟諺：是，我們確實是要讓大家在交通上能夠享有一樣的權利。 |
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陳委員雪生：對嘛，臺北人到宜蘭去都可以打個雪山隧道，最近我們傅崐萁總召也說東西部要串通，國道6號、高鐵快速道路，他也提出來了，為什麼？就是老百姓緊急需要的嘛。現在就是說，我們交通部所做的每一件事情應該不是以營利為目的吧，是以營利為目的嗎？不是，不是為了賺錢嘛，你要把這個血路打通、打開嘛，這才是我們交通部主政之道。 |
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部長，我曾經就這個議題在總質詢時對院長也提出來，也請院長幫忙，我拜託部長，是不是能夠召集觀光署、民航局進行跨局處的會議，請你主持一下，因為已經兩年了，我希望這個能以民航作業基金來補助，因為航港局有類似的慣例，他們從航港作業基金去處理這方面的事情，我們希望民航局也能夠從這方面處理，但是民航局怕援引效應，怕澎湖、金門跟進，跟進就跟進嘛，有什麼關係呢？跟進就跟進嘛，也給他們1,000萬嘛，我想交通部七、八千億的總預算，不在乎那麼一點錢。所以我拜託部長在這方面能不能幫忙一下？民航局長，你說明一下，好不好？ |
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李部長孟諺：我請何局長跟您報告。 |
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陳委員雪生：何局長說明一下，你為什麼要請觀光署來補助這個東西？ |
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何局長淑萍：跟委員報告，確實啦，照顧離島居民行的權利，這件事情民航局也應該責無旁貸，不過因為這一條航線或者是整個在補貼虧損的機制上，是要有基本的運行，譬如像現在臺北到南、北竿其實每一天大概就有8班，淡旺季不同，大概有10班左右；可是像臺中、南竿之間也有營運，業者也沒有申請虧損補貼；早期的高雄、南竿之間，確實當初申請的時候也沒有虧損補貼，這個虧損補貼不是只針對南、北竿，譬如到離島，如果以後有臺北到其他離島的航線都要用業者的虧損補貼，這個部分就會比較龐大。 |
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陳委員雪生：局長，殺頭生意有人做，虧本生意沒人做。 |
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何局長淑萍：是，這個…… |
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陳委員雪生：航空公司也一樣！請召委再給我2分鐘的時間。雖然華信是交通部所屬的，可以說股份是我們占比比較多嘛，問題是人家還是以營利為目的，有錢才去，沒錢賺還要跑去做這個生意，他要對股東大會、要對董事會負責耶！ |
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何局長淑萍：對，跟委員報告，剛剛有提到，對於這個部分我們才會說，如果促進高雄跟馬祖之間航線，除了一些基本的需求，還有一些觀光的需要，因為當初委員垂詢的時候，部裡有召開跨局署的會議，所以是不是這個部分…… |
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陳委員雪生：何局長，我想不管怎麼處理……部長，我今天拜託部長，你剛剛才上任，我們彼此都留下一個很好的印象嘛，我希望你在部裡面能夠重視這件事情，航港局對馬祖地區很多虧損的東西都補貼了，民航局也一樣，從馬祖飛臺北，這裡面虧損的事情，交通部當然要負起責任來，你要負責把馬祖的老百姓跟軍人送到臺灣來，把臺灣的居民再送回去，返鄉嘛！尤其現在觀光立縣，把觀光客送到那邊去是非常重要的，你們都曉得花蓮現在住宿一個晚上補助一千塊，為什麼？因為地震嘛！是不是？所以有關行的便利跟責任，你們要扛起來，不能因為每個局、處各有其本位主義，各有考慮的問題，這個事情就不要做了，那不就開花了嗎？是不是？請部長說明一下。 |
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李部長孟諺：是，針對這個部分，我們會再邀集相關局處，甚至跨部會，包括國防部大家一起來…… |
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陳委員雪生：我已經受不了了，已經兩年了，部長，希望你一個月內，我也不要要求你一、兩個禮拜，就一個月內，希望部長能夠回答我這個問題，好不好？你怎麼解決，不管是觀光署也好，民航局也好，我都沒有意見，我都沒有意見，但請你幫我們解決這個問題，可不可以？ |
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李部長孟諺：我們來尋找一個最佳化的解決方案，兼顧馬祖的觀光跟居民。 |
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陳委員雪生：另外航港局部分，臺中港警所破破爛爛、破爛不堪，拜託葉局長這邊能夠補助港務公司一點錢，給他們二千萬做個維修、做個小修，可以嗎？ |
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葉局長協隆：報告委員，有關港警廳舍的維修，行政院跟交通部有一個協助原則，下禮拜五我已經訂好一個會議時間，邀集相關單位來協商，我們會儘量協助…… |
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陳委員雪生：好，謝謝局長。另外，拜託觀光署周署長，不要何局長推到你那邊去，你那邊又說不能補助馬祖，這樣弄的話，讓我們新任的部長…… |
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周署長永暉：不會啦！我們合作無間。 |
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陳委員雪生：不是啦！合作無間沒錯，但你不要讓新任的部長為難，讓部長剛剛才上任，就好像有點做不下去的感覺，希望你們兩位協調一下，好不好？另外，馬祖飛高雄的航線，拜託部長一個月給我答復，這個不能再拖了，因為航空公司還要有準備的時間，如果你現在承諾了，他們起碼到10月份才能夠飛航，因為還有地面和空中的準備工作。部長，好不好？ |
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李部長孟諺：我們來看怎麼樣找到一個具衡平性，而且可以…… |
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陳委員雪生：怎麼找你去找啊，因為所有權力都抓在你的手上，好不好？謝謝召委，謝謝。 |
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主席：陳雪生委員發言完畢。 |
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現在請邱若華委員發言。 |
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李昆澤 |
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黃健豪 |
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林國成 |
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林沛祥 |
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林俊憲 |
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何欣純 |
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陳素月 |
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葉元之 |
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陳雪生 |
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邱若華 |
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徐富癸 |
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許智傑 |
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蔡其昌 |
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魯明哲 |
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陳俊宇 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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黃仁 |
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陳亭妃 |
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牛煦庭 |
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洪孟楷 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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游顥 |
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傅崐萁 |
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陳培瑜 |
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羅智強 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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洪申翰 |
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廖先翔 |
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林月琴 |
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陳冠廷 |
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邱志偉 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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邀請交通部部長李孟諺列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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謝謝我們昆哲、趙偉特請交通部長、航空局長、民航局長、防震師長來請點到名的官員上臺部長早安趙偉早上次部長拜會我第一次見面留下非常好的印象部長非常的客氣、謙虛 |
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歡迎你到交通部來服務替我們民眾我們民眾之福我有一個問題民國80年以前戰略任務還沒解除 |
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我們台灣到馬祖的交通是靠什麼?靠軍艦那交通是由國防部在負責後來馬祖陸續引進了船隻然後還有空中交通建一個機場然後馬祖才有空中的飛行到目前為止我們航港局的部分台北港到福澳港台北港到福澳港 |
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這個用油補貼,用油補貼,油來補貼,局長是嗎?南北竿我們小山東航線到大陸因為一定虧損,人員不夠船隻比較大,油耗損比較多,所以虧損補貼一年大概虧損一兩千萬,這都有航空女子補貼還有基隆港到馬祖 |
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基隆港到馬祖,因為那個船來5000噸的,帶人也不見得那麼多,這個虧損補貼也是由航港局負責,我們透過一個聯江行業來補貼。好,我現在講到空中的航線,松山機場到北竿,以前這是國內第二家航空公司進入以後,松山機場到北竿, |
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沒有人願意去,為什麼?虧損所以沒有人願意飛那現在我們提高雄航線到馬祖我一直提,提了快兩年了一直找民航局、航港局、觀光局一直談,談不下來我甚至到總諮詢向院長諮詢,到現在還無解 |
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那高雄的馬祖原來空中航線是有的是有的高雄跟南竿的航線是利隆航空在飛的那93年的10月12號開航10月12號開航那麼高雄航線初期是週二、二、四、六每天飛一班禮拜二、禮拜四、禮拜六每天飛一班那民國94年4月1號停航 |
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停航的原因是怎麼?虧損用油量,因為航程比較遠,我們在馬祖的機場沒辦法加油所以減重飛行,航程又比較遠,票價是4000多塊我現在要問一下這個部長 |
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我一直要求民航局能夠補助一千萬來做高雄跟馬祖空中的航線我想國內的交通啊既然在馬祖地區蓋了兩座機場一個南竿機場一個北竿機場 |
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那民航局要負起這個責任來,是不是?要負起這個責任來那民航局擔心什麼?擔心援引效應澎湖馬工機場,只有一個機場,他怕援引效應也是澎湖也來各路的機場也要飛澎湖,怕援引效應所以他建議由觀光署,觀光署署長也請上來好不好? |
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他建議由觀光署來補助那麼初期希望用包機的方式辦理那民航局建議以包機的方式辦理呢?那麼縣長、議長還有本席也連累的拜訪了民航局、拜訪了立龍航空、拜訪了華信航空那現在比較有意願的是誰?華信航空因為華信航空現在目前只有飛北竿 |
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北竿跟南竿都有飛北竿沒有飛南竿有飛那華信航空以包機的方式來回的成本我們初步的探討一趟來回要五十七萬塊那五十七萬塊我們倒回來算這個票價單程的票價大概一張是四千九百多塊錢四千九百多塊錢的話 |
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那你說高雄人到馬祖,馬祖人到高雄他的意願就很低啦那現在高雄那邊我們馬祖軍中的子弟大概佔了一半 |
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所以老百姓聲音還小,軍方的聲音還更大,軍方那些我們從軍的子弟,他要回高雄去,先要在松山機場落或是基隆碼頭的港口落,落了以後還要再打高鐵或是再轉機回高雄 |
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我想這個對在前線服役的這些子弟也不公平另外就是高雄很多的鄉親要希望到馬祖來觀光,他們走哪一條線?他們高雄先到金門去,金門到廈門,廈門到福州,福州到馬祖用這種方式來,因為馬祖在觀光季的時候一票難求所以我想交通部對離島偏鄉 |
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有刑的便利的義務跟責任,部長你覺得勒? |
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我們確實是有讓大家在交通上能夠享有一樣的權利我們臺北人到宜蘭去都可以打個雪山隧道最近我們福昆吉總召東西部也要串通國道五號、六號、高鐵、快速道路他也提出來,為什麼?因為老百姓緊急需要 |
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那現在就是說,我們交通部所做的每一件事情,應該不是以盈利為目的吧?是以盈利事業為目的嗎?不是。不是為了賺錢嘛,是不是?你要把這個血路啊,把它打通嘛,把它打開嘛,這才是我們交通部主政之道嘛。所以部長,我曾經這個議題在總質詢對院長也提出來,也請院長幫忙。 |
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我拜託部長,是不是能夠召集觀光署、民航局、跨局處的會議請你主持一下因為已經兩年了,我想從民航作業基金來補助因為航港局有類似的慣例,他們從航港作業基金去處理這方面的事情民航局也希望能夠從這方面處理,但是民航局怕援引效應,怕澎湖金門跟進 |
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根據就根據嘛,有什麼關係勒?根據就根據嘛,也給他一千萬嘛。我想交通部七八千億的總預算,不在乎那麼一點錢。所以我拜託部長這一方面能不能幫忙一下,你也可以請。民航局長你說明一下好不好,民航局長。何局長說明一下。 |
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因為我們要請公安局公安署來補助這個東西跟委員報告確實就是說照顧離島居民行的權利這個是我們不應該民航局也應該來責無旁貸那不過因為這一條航線或者是整個在補貼的虧損的機制上 |
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﹚陳雪生﹚ |
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雖然雖然 |
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雖然華信是交通部所屬的股份我們佔比比較多,問題是人家還是以盈利為目的,有錢才去沒錢賺他跑去做這個生意,他要對股東大會要對董事會負責 |
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對,所以跟委員報告,就是剛剛有提到,這個部分我們才會說,如果促進高雄跟這個馬祖之間,如果除了一些基本的需求,還有一些觀光的需要,那是不是因為當初也有委員有垂詢的時候,部理會來召開跨局署的會議?所以這部分,我想不管怎麼處理,部長 |
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我今天拜託部長,你剛剛才上任,我們都留下一個很好,彼此都留下一個很好的印象我希望你能夠在部裡面重視這件事情,航港局你對馬祖地區很多虧損的東西你都補貼了民航局你也一樣,從馬祖飛台北 |
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這裡面虧損的事情你交通部當然要負起責任來你要負責把馬祖的老百姓跟軍人送到台灣來把台灣的居民再送回去返鄉或是尤其現在觀光力線這觀光客把他送到那邊去這都非常重要的你們都曉得花蓮現在住宿一個晚上民宿補助他一千塊為什麼?因為地震嘛是不是?那所以這個行的便利跟責任你們要扛起來嘛你不能因為說 |
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每個局每個處都有他本位主義,他在想這個問題,這樣這個事情就不要做了,就開花了嘛是不是?部長你說明一下好不好?我想這個部分我們會再邀集相關的局處,另外甚至是跨部會包括國防部大家一起來我已經受不了了,已經兩年了,部長 |
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我希望你一個月以內好不好,我也不要你說一兩個禮拜啊,一個月以內希望部長能夠回答我這個問題好不好你怎麼解決,你不管官方署也好,民航局也好,我都沒意見,我都沒意見,但是你把這問題幫我解決,可以不可以?是,我們來尋找看怎麼樣有一個最佳化的解決的方案 |
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另外的港港局,我們台中的港警鎖破破爛爛破爛不堪,我拜託葉局長這邊能夠給港務公司一點錢,給他兩千萬,幫他做一個維修好不好,做個小修,可以嗎? |
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包委員,因為有關港警廳舍的維修,在行政院跟交通部有一個協助的原則我想我下禮拜五已經訂好一個會議時間,邀請相關單位來做一個協商那我們會盡量來做協助,在院跟處的原則下那個觀光署周市長拜託好不好你不要河區長推到你那邊去,你那邊又說你這裡又不能補助馬祖那你這樣弄的話,讓我們新任的部長 |
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合作無間沒錯,你不要讓我們新任的部長很為難好不好,讓他部長剛剛才上任有點坐不下去的感覺好不好,希望你們兩位協調一下好不好馬祖飛高雄的航線拜託 |
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部長一個月給我答覆好不好因為不能再拖了這個準備因為飛機要航空公司還有準備的時間你現在如果承諾他的話他起碼到10月份才能夠飛航他有地面還有空中的準備工作部長好不好我們來看怎麼樣找到一個具有橫平性怎麼找你去找啊因為所有的權力都抓在你的手上好不好那個謝謝召委謝謝 |
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陳雪生委員發言完 |