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153918 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/153918 |
| 日期 |
2024-06-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-06-13T09:39:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-06-13T09:49:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf02c7fc60cc7ba0540bbbbacc16e0de560592432c08898ef0c311de3a91f948c4f653766fc134325ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:39:14 - 09:49:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-06-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、客家委員會就「都會區原住民族、客家族群、新住民權益保障措施與精進方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就「賴清德總統原住民族政見推動規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、邀請行政院、原住民族委員會、行政院主計總處、財政部就「114年度原住民族委員會預算籌編情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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王委員美惠：（9時39分）主席，我們請客委會主委。 |
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主席：請客委會主委，歡迎古主委。 |
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古主任委員秀妃：王委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：主委早安。 |
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古主任委員秀妃：早安。 |
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王委員美惠：本席我先請教一點，你知道我們客委會的總預算、total有多少預算？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：我知道我們113年度的預算39億，明年編列的預算是46億。 |
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王委員美惠：來，是不是有翻譯的人來翻譯？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：有，請通譯。 |
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王委員美惠：不是，我覺得這樣…… |
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主席：現場有通譯嗎？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：有40億元。 |
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王委員美惠：誰有辦法在旁邊翻譯？總共有多少？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：請葉老師。有40億元。 |
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王委員美惠：副主委來。 |
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主席：有誰可以在旁邊回答一下？好不好？ |
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王委員美惠：時間等一下。 |
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主席：好。 |
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王委員美惠：主委等一下說的時候都要用客語來回答嗎？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：報告委員，我們在大院都用客語來報告。 |
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王委員美惠：好，我們互相尊重語言。剛剛本席有向你詢問我們總total的預算有多少，以及我們的藝文預算總total有多少？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：我們藝文、語言差不多7億，語言的部分7億。 |
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王委員美惠：差不多7億。本席要跟你探討，第一點，感謝對嘉義市的關心，讓相關藝文活動在今年8月舉辦。再來，在義民廟也好、八音也好，我們有很多文化活動得到客委會的支持，將近有53萬4,000元；今年的桐花祭也已經辦過了，得到客委會補助70萬。嘉義市的客籍人數將近有2萬4,000人，雖然少歸少，但我們的文化要保存下去，不是少就不去關心，這樣我們的文化會消失，所以我請教主委，對嘉義市的客家文化，目前你們有什麼規劃嗎？ |
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古主任委員秀妃：謝謝委員。在嘉義市有鹿寮里，我們不時會去，那裡是辦理桐花祭以及舉辦活動的重要所在，我們每一年都鼓勵這個地方辦桐花祭，像今年我們就補助70萬。剛剛委員所提的，像是傳統的八音，據我所知這兩年沒有直接補助團體來做八音表演，但是我可以跟委員報告，未來我們對客家藝文、八音的傳承會大力支持。 |
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王委員美惠：好，本席再跟主委探討關於嘉義的藝文、戲劇，過去多年從未在嘉義市表演過，本席一直追、一再拜託，去年有在嘉義大學校內表演，但是據我這個月的瞭解，不知道是不是520交接、規劃的關係，都沒看到嘉義市有相關的規劃，本席期望主委可以給嘉義市機會。因為去年有舉辦，前副主委去參加的時候，看到很多人參與實在很感動，所以希望主委可以給嘉義市更多的資源。你知道嘉義市長久以來在鹿寮里，大部分的居民都是客家長輩，孩子都在外地，所以本席才跟你提到義民廟在熱鬧的時候，可以帶動他們的兒孫回到故鄉參加藝文活動，因此希望主委多多關心。 |
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古主任委員秀妃：感謝委員，沒問題，我們會大力支持。 |
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王委員美惠：好，剛剛本席跟你提的這些，你要快點去研議，請坐。 |
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古主任委員秀妃：好，感謝。 |
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王委員美惠：請原民會主委。主委，我請問你，等一下你回答本席的時候要用你本身的母語還是用…… |
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曾主任委員智勇：委員，我向你報告，原住民有16個族，我如果說排灣族的語言，連主席也聽不懂，所以我乾脆用臺語跟你回答好了。 |
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王委員美惠：讚啦！因為臺語也快要消失了，可以由原民會主委來講臺語也不簡單，不過我相信主委都會說16族的語言，不然沒辦法擔任這個職務。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：不、不，我不會。 |
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王委員美惠：你不會喔？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：不同族群說的話就像外國的語言。 |
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王委員美惠：你如果去探訪、關心的時候，你是不是還要找那一族的人？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：問候語例如你好、吃飽沒，這些我會說。 |
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王委員美惠：沒關係，這是題外話。最主要是我們原住民的權利要顧、自尊要顧，主委知不知道最近有人帶我們原住民去中國大陸的時候被矮化說成少數民族？你知道這個問題嗎？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：在105年的時候，原民會去過杭州文化創意…… |
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王委員美惠：不是、不是，最近還是這樣。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：最近我們原民會裡面沒有去對岸。 |
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王委員美惠：我知道你們沒有去對岸，我是說最近有這樣的狀況，本席要跟你探討關於未來的預算規劃，說實在的，每件事情都要照顧到，我們總total的預算裡面有補助教育的推廣，這當中如果有團體去做國際交流，到目前為止，有沒有計畫去中國？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：目前沒有。 |
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王委員美惠：去年有沒有？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：過去五年只有一件而已。 |
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王委員美惠：只有一件而已？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：是。 |
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王委員美惠：參加之後的感受如何？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：因為那次有文學家孫大川去，就沒有…… |
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王委員美惠：主委，本席要跟你說，就像人家說的，我們不是去吵架的，我們是要去做好鄰居、一國跟一國的交流，如果我們的身分被矮化，去那邊就不值得了。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：是。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得大家互相對待要尊重，不能矮化我們，因為有時候去的時候就說我們是少數民族，要一家親，但我們就跟他們不同國啊！所以主委，你們要注意，在補助團體交流的部分，到目前為止你們怎麼規劃？有關補助團隊國際交流。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：我們有補助國際交流，譬如去南島語系的國家…… |
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王委員美惠：這個經費要怎麼補助、怎麼評分？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：我們有一個要點，譬如多少人出去、去多久，經費都不一樣，地點也不一樣。 |
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王委員美惠：他提出計畫，你會限制他去哪裡嗎？還是不用，他想去哪裡就去哪裡？ |
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曾主任委員智勇：不是，譬如去南島國家做交流，博物館的交流或是活動的交流…… |
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王委員美惠：主委，錢要花在對的地方，回來還可以幫助我們的文化，這才是最重要的。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：是。 |
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王委員美惠：本席的質詢時間到了，有關這個問題的預算，你們要好好處理，再跟本席說明你們去年的預算是怎麼花的，以上。 |
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曾主任委員智勇：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝美惠委員、謝謝曾主委。 |
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繼續我們請張宏陸委員質詢。 |
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高金素梅 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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王美惠 |
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張宏陸 |
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牛煦庭 |
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黃仁 |
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黃捷 |
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許宇甄 |
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吳琪銘 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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鍾佳濱 |
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林倩綺 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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盧縣一 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第24次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請原住民族委員會、內政部、文化部、客家委員會就「都會區原住民族、客家族群、新住
民權益保障措施與精進方案」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原
住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會就「賴清德總統原住民族政見推
動規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢；三、邀請行政院、原住民族委員會、行政院主計總處、財政
部就「114年度原住民族委員會預算籌編情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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主席,我們請請客委主委。好,我們請客委會主委。好,歡迎主委。王委員好。主委早。主委,在這,我先來,本席先來,請教一點,你覺得我們客委 |
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總會議席有多少?總統有多少議席?我第一,我們113年初的議席是39億,明年要變滿年的議席是46億。來,是不是有歡迎的,有歡迎。不是,我認為這樣, |
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二、邀請原住民族委員會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會、財團法人原住民基金會 |
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這樣主委是我們要講的事你都要用客委的語言來講嗎?對,報告委員,我們在台批用合法的報告。好,這樣互相尊重的議員,在這裡面,剛才本市也跟你說過,我們的總統會議席有多少? |
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跟我們的藝文、藝術總統有多少?來。我們的藝文、語言差不多七億。差不多七億。在這裏面,我們想要跟你談到的就是第一點,感謝對嘉義市的關心,讓藝文可以在今年配合。再來, |
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在移民廟也好、白鷹也好,我們有很多文化,可以提到我們客家會的獎金要到五十三萬四千, |
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二、今年通話制已經辦過,適當客家委員會補助70萬,雖然隔離期客家委員會臨時至市中心要2萬4千人, |
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儘管雖然酒蒙酒,我們的文化要保存下去,不是酒,跟你就沒人關心,這樣我們的文化會消失的。」所以在這裏面,我要請教客家委員會 |
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對嘉義市、客戶的文化及民情,您有什麼規則嗎?來。道歉委員,我們在嘉義市有錄料理,我們同時不時會去,藉著通法機判理法庭的青春夜的所採,我們明年會鼓勵去判通法機,從今年就輔助了70萬, |
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兔兔語言所提到,像我們傳統的白銀的部分,我們在那兩年沒有出現不足的團體來做白銀,但是我們做的提案和語言報告,為了我們對它要客家的意願、白銀的存在,我們為台立來支持。好,那在這兩年本身要跟 |
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主委探討的就是說,我們自己的語言、的數據,在很多時候的將來,不要在家裡去表演過。在本席,對啊對,拜託啊拜託,在今年,有在家裡去加大,會好,有表演過。 |
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但在我這幾個月所了解的,不知道是有二年,你們的教職、你們的機會、教育期沒有看到這個機會,為什麼我們也,我們的主委,可以給教育期機會? |
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因為正當有辦,你應該副主委、前副主委有去參加的時候,有看很多人去參加,實在會很感動。所以說,希望主委可以加進去。」 |
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更多的資源：在這方面,我認為自己在長久以來,你知道我們自己吃的六料理,六料理的大部分都是大,我們客家,我們這裡的食材,跟孩子都去外地,所以本省會跟你說,移民廟的老年人時,可以帶動他們的經歷事實, |
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等待到他的故鄉參加我們的藝文、我們的文化,所以我們、我們的主委,多多關心。」好,感謝委員,沒問題,這樣為了太力支持。好,現在剛才本席跟你說的,你要趕緊去演繹,來,請坐。好,感謝。來,我們憲民會的主委。 |
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主委我要請問一下,你待會要回答本席的詢問是用你本身的語言還是用你想要...委員我幫你報告齁我幫你報告 |
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原住民是這樣原住民16個族我如果說我的台灣族的連住宿也聽不懂所以我過去用台語給你回答好了哇!讚啦!因為台語也有用在消息的當地原住民的主委裡面說出台語也不簡單但是我相信 |
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十八族的語言主委都會選：不不我都擔任這個職務：不不不我不會選的你不會選喔?沒有啦,別人做的人就像外國人這樣喔?跟你們去討論、去關心的時候,你是不是要再找那一族 |
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問候,譬如說你好,或是說吃飽你會說什麼好啦,不要緊啦,這題外話啦來,最主要就是說,如果我們的原住民的權利 |
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要鼓勵,自尊要鼓勵。」在這裡面,主委你可不可以知道,主委你可不可以知道,我們最近有人帶我們的原住民去到中國大陸的時候,讓人愛話的,說我們是少數民族,你知道這個問題嗎? |
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在這一百五年的時候,原民會在杭州的文化…沒有啦沒有啦,最近也是這樣啦!最近原民會,我們回來沒去對話啦!沒有啦!我知道你沒去對話,我是說最近有這樣的時候,本身要跟你談到的是什麼?未來我們的議程的時候,說實在每一項都要照顧到 |
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在我們的總統會議席內,我們有補助教育的推廣,在這裏面,如果團體在國際交流時,到目前為止,我們有給予中國,來,目前沒有,當中有沒有? |
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財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會、財團法人原住民族文化 |
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有文學家孫大川過的嗎?因為主委因為本身要跟你說的就是說我們要像人家說的我們不是要去挽救我們是要去做好處兵一國跟一國的交流跟他們要發我們的新聞我們就去那邊寄達啦在這裡面我們是覺得說大家互相對待 |
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會尊重嘛,不能去愛化爛啦,因為有時候去會想說,我們少數民族,跟我們一家親,跟我們就跟他不一樣啊,所以說主委在這裏面喔,您要去注意,跟在補助團體的交流會想,還有保證為止,您要怎麼整回來? |
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補助團隊交流、國際交流。」國際交流我們是有補助啦,這就譬如說那個南島...南島...那這基金會如何補助,如何對平穩? |
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有一個要點,就是譬如說你處理多少人,你要去多久,那經費都不一樣啦。跟他的經費,你會限制他要去兌、要去兌嗎?還是不用?他想要去兌就去兌?不是,他如果要去,譬如說去南島國家做交流,博物館的交流,或是那個活動的交流,譬如說剛才...主委! |
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是要在對的地方上可以幫助我們的文化這才是最重要的跟本席在這段時間內在這個問題的議程你們要好好去處理跟本席說你們正當這個議程怎麼開議程謝謝好 謝謝美匯委員 謝謝美關係 謝謝曾主委 謝謝 |