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2024-05-23 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-13 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
會議資料.會次 |
13 |
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教育及文化委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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開始時間 |
2024-05-23T12:10:47+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-05-23T12:18:22+08:00 |
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00:07:35 |
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委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
委員發言時間 |
12:10:47 - 12:18:22 |
會議時間 |
2024-05-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。
二、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算(公務預算)解凍案7案。
【5月22日及23日二天一次會】) |
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賴委員士葆:(12時10分)謝謝主席,有請國科會吳主委。 |
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主席:有請吳主委。 |
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吳主任委員誠文:委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆:主委好,我相信你知道國科會有開發一個TAIDE,就是OpenAI的臺灣版,你知不知道現在平均在線上使用的有多少人?相對照的就是ChatGPT,ChatGPT你有在用嗎? |
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吳主任委員誠文:有用過,但是沒有常常用。 |
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賴委員士葆:多少用一下,那我們臺灣自己開發的TAIDE,你有在用嗎? |
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吳主任委員誠文:還沒用過。 |
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賴委員士葆:你知道嗎? |
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吳主任委員誠文:我知道。 |
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賴委員士葆:你知道TAIDE嗎? |
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吳主任委員誠文:我來國科會以後才知道。 |
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賴委員士葆:你知道有幾個人在用嗎? |
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吳主任委員誠文:我可不可以請同仁來…… |
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賴委員士葆:可以,沒關係。多少人? |
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張主任朝亮:報告委員,其實TAIDE模型現在並沒有對一般民眾開放,只有對…… |
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賴委員士葆:我知道,現在是專業的…… |
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張主任朝亮:MOU簽署的夥伴開放。 |
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賴委員士葆:多少人? |
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張主任朝亮:只有…… |
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賴委員士葆:我給你數字啦!你查半天!600。 |
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張主任朝亮:對,差不多那個數字。 |
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賴委員士葆:600。線下的多少? |
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張主任朝亮:線下?線下的,我們…… |
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賴委員士葆:線下,offline的。 |
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張主任朝亮:我們沒辦法統計,但是我們放在GitHub上面讓大家download。 |
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賴委員士葆:你都沒有準備資料。線上600、線下1萬人啦!主委聽一下,TAIDE是你的業務哩!我們很proud說全世界有OpenAI,臺灣有TAIDE,講得很大聲、說有多讚,但是我們做學倫測驗,仔細看我的PowerPoint,主委看一下我的…… |
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張主任朝亮:報告委員,我補充一下,您剛剛提的是下載的數目…… |
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賴委員士葆:對,下載的就有1萬。 |
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張主任朝亮:8B的模型現在有三萬多個下載。 |
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賴委員士葆:你知不知道臺灣有多少人用ChatGPT?繼續講。 |
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吳主任委員誠文:我不知道,抱歉! |
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賴委員士葆:你不知道,換另外一個人講。ChatGPT有多少人使用?臺灣有多少人使用,你知道嗎?你不知道喔?有四分之一的臺灣人口使用ChatGPT,四分之一是多少?591萬左右。人家都不用門檻,你這個進去TAIDE有門檻,說臺灣多讚,要用這個門檻,請問你什麼時候可以變成全民版的,不是說要多專業才有辦法進去,路人甲、路人乙只要有手機就可以用,什麼時候?你都不知道,也稍微準備一下,AI這麼紅,你沒有準備一下?什麼時候全民可以用? |
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吳主任委員誠文:對不起,我要瞭解一下。如果不能回答沒有關係啦!我們…… |
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賴委員士葆:對,你不回答沒關係,專業的可以…… |
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張主任朝亮:我們初期開發的階段是放在下載,希望人家拿去以後可以放在他的app裡面直接用,所以這個數字我沒辦法統計。 |
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賴委員士葆:什麼時間可以讓它像ChatGPT這麼方便,變成app很簡單啊! |
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吳主任委員誠文:報告委員,他這樣回答我瞭解,就是現在發展TAIDE,其實是要讓各界專業領域再去訓練自身專業的模型,並不是那種我們叫general AI的是給一般人可以直接使用…… |
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賴委員士葆:你要general AI才好用啊!不然你說半天,大聲說世界有OpenAI、世界有ChatGPT,我們有TAIDE,多大聲耶!但是…… |
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吳主任委員誠文:因為我們沒有辦法投入那麼多的資源。 |
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賴委員士葆:但是就quality,等一下看quality,你看我的數字,學倫測驗,人家OpenAI(GPT-4o)答對率91.43%,我們的68.57%,量不如人家,差那麼多,質也差這麼多!這個數字讓你看一下,回去要認真在這個上面,好不好? |
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吳主任委員誠文:嗯。 |
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賴委員士葆:現在AI很紅,國科會在管這一塊。 |
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最後一個小問題,你知不知道臺灣有衛星?你們有一個太空中心,你知道嘛? |
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吳主任委員誠文:太空中心,有。 |
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賴委員士葆:我們總共打上去幾顆衛星?不知道喔?幾顆? |
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吳主任委員誠文:16顆。 |
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賴委員士葆:16顆。在哪裡打、在哪裡發射? |
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吳主任委員誠文:在美國,從美國發射。 |
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賴委員士葆:還有在澳洲吧? |
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吳主任宗信:澳洲沒有,1顆是在法國的圭亞那。 |
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賴委員士葆:都是美國,還有哪裡?你講。 |
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吳主任宗信:總共15顆是在美國發射。 |
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賴委員士葆:對,1顆在哪裡? |
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吳主任宗信:1顆在法屬圭亞那,在赤道附近。 |
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賴委員士葆:為什麼不在臺灣發射?那個多風光,升上去時呼呼呼地…… |
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吳主任委員誠文:正在選址當中。 |
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吳主任宗信:第一個,臺灣現在還沒有正式的國家發射場。 |
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賴委員士葆:沒有,因為你們本來選屏東,對不對? |
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吳主任宗信:屏東那個是做科研使用,就是給大學做科學研究使用…… |
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賴委員士葆:我所知道的是因為當地居民都不願意,很吵,也是砰砰叫,有噪音之類的。 |
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陳處長國樑:跟委員說明,屏東旭海發射場是學研用的,就是做研究用的,只有0.9公頃,但是現在來講,無論在鄉公所或者就地方居民,我們使用的時候都經過他們的一些投票同意,百分之八十以上是同意的。 |
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賴委員士葆:問個小問題我就可以結束了,我們國艦國造、國機國造、潛艦國造,火箭、衛星要不要國造?你不知道?主委,你稍微準備一下…… |
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吳主任宗信:跟委員報告,我們的衛星,其實大概從十幾年前開始就是往完全自主的方向在走;火箭是在去年…… |
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賴委員士葆:為什麼不能自己打呢?為什麼到美國發射?為什麼不在臺灣發射? |
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吳主任宗信:我們的火箭是去年才啟動計畫,火箭研發非常複雜,需要一定的時間。 |
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賴委員士葆:你沒有回答我,到什麼時候可以在臺灣發射? |
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吳主任宗信:根據我們現在的規劃期程是…… |
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賴委員士葆:這個是很重要的,航太技術是全世界很重要的一個指標。 |
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吳主任宗信:對,根據我們現在的規劃是在2030年。 |
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賴委員士葆:2030可以自己在臺灣發射。 |
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吳主任宗信:對。 |
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賴委員士葆:包括火箭喔!因為衛星是火箭送上去的。 |
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吳主任宗信:衛星我們自己設計製造,在臺灣現在沒有問題。 |
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賴委員士葆:那火箭呢? |
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吳主任宗信:火箭就是到2030年。 |
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賴委員士葆:好,謝謝。 |
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主席:謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
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再來請謝衣鳯委員,謝衣鳯、謝衣鳯委員不在。 |
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請鄭正鈐委員,鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐委員不在。 |
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再來請范雲委員。 |
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委員會-11-1-22-13 |
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林宜瑾 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況,並備質詢;二、審查113年
度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算(公務預算)解凍案7案 |
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謝謝主席有請國科會的吳主委好有請吳主委委員好各位好那麼我相信你知道國科會有開發一個這個就是AI的OpenAI的台灣版你知不知道現在平均在線上使用的多少人 |
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用你們國科會開發的這個相對較的就是CHAT-GBT嘛CHAT-GBT你有利用嗎?有有有有用過啦 不常常在用你給個名啦齁阿你 咱台灣給你開發的TID你有利用嗎?要不會要不會都不知道 你知道嗎?我知道你知道TID T-A-I-D-E我來國科會才知道阿你改國科會才知道啦齁阿你知道 有幾個人 |
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多少人?多少人?多少人?多少人? |
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現下的多少?現下。現下。現下。在offline的啦。我們沒辦法統計,但是我們放在那個Github上面讓大家當日。你主要都沒在準備。現下1萬人啦。線上600,現下1萬啦。 |
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主委你聽一下 主委啊 這你的業務哩 泰德你的業務哩 人家很普遍地說 全世界有open AI 台灣有泰德 說五大聲而已 你看讚不讚但是呢 你看喔 我們做學倫的測驗 仔細看我的那個 PowerPoint 主委啊你看一下 你看我 |
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拜託委員我補充一下那個下載的數目您剛剛提的是下載的數目對啦下載就1萬啦8B的模型現在有3萬多個下載你知不知道台灣有多少人用CHED GPT來來來去你處長繼續講我不知道你不知道就讓我告訴你另外一個人講CHED GPT多少人用你知道嗎台灣喔台灣有多少人用你知道嗎你不知道喔 |
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有四分之一的臺灣人口用CHAT GPT了,四分之一,五百九十一萬左右啦。啊人家齁都沒門檻捏,啊你這次去泰國都大方外站捏,用這個門檻捏。 |
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請問你啊,什麼時候可以變成全民版的,這樣不用去說很專業的就給別人,路人甲路人椅,只要有手機就可以用,什麼時候?你開玩笑嗎?你又不知道呢?你也稍稍準備一下,你還沒準備一下?什麼時候可以用啊?什麼時候全民可以用?什麼時候全民可以用啦?不要公共事辦,什麼時候啦?講一下。 |
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我們初期開發的階段是放在下載是希望人家拿去以後可以放在他的APP裡面直接用所以這個數字我們沒辦法統計 |
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拜託委員,他這樣回答我了解,就是說現在發展這個態度,他其實是要讓各界專業領域再去訓練他自己專業的模型,並不是那種我們叫general AI是讓一般人: |
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有什麼?衛星 |
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大部分都美國。大部分都是美國。 |
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在美國,從美國發射。還有在澳洲吧?澳洲沒有。一個是在法國的圭雅那。都是美國,還有哪?你講你講。總共15顆是在美國發射。對,一顆在哪裡?一顆在法屬圭雅那在赤道附近。為什麼不在台灣發射勒? |
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我所知道的是因為當地居民都不願意啦欸我要插到然後也是扁扁腳這樣噪音什麼之類的 |
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來跟個委員說明一下那個屏東那個蓄海他是學研用的就是做研究用的只有0.9公頃但現在來講話無論這個在相公所或是地方的居民我們是說使用的時候都經過他們的一些投票同意的百分之八十以上是同意的小問題我就可以這個要結束了 |
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我們國艦國造、國機國造、潛艦國造、火箭衛星要不要國造? |
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委員報告現在我們的衛星其實我們大概從十幾年前開始就是往完全自主的方向在走 阿火箭是在去年 阿火箭是去年才啟動計畫 阿這火箭的研發非常複雜需要一定的時間 |
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你沒有回答我什麼時候可以我們在台灣自己發射啦根據我們現在的規劃這個是很重要的航太技術全世界很重要的一個指標根據我們現在的規劃是在20302030可以自己在台灣發包括火箭包括火箭喔因為你衛星是火箭射起你的衛星我們自己設計製造在台灣現在沒有問題阿火箭勒阿火箭就是到20302030好謝謝 |
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賴士葆 |