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152764 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152764 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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36 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-22T10:03:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-22T10:11:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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gazette |
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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:06 - 10:11:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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楊委員瓊瓔：（10時3分）謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。 |
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主席：有請鄭部長。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：委員早。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長好。總統先生在就職的時候提到要積極打擊黑金、槍、毒，您有聽到嗎？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：槍、毒、詐，有五打。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：聽到這個，你預計要怎麼做？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我想就是我剛有提到這是我未來施政的一個重點，我也要求我們檢察機關要全力來嚴打這些黑金、槍、毒、詐，這部分我們也跟警政署，還有一些司法警察機關，近期內也會整個逐步來加強查緝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：這是你的本分，也是你的重心，要怎麼去做？但是我們看到在蔡英文總統就職的時候，他是大聲吶喊一定要司法大改革，所以大家期待非常的大、非常的高，但是這一次新任的總統先生是說他會延續，您看這兩位總統就職的時候，針對於司法，他們的宣示差距那麼大，您的看法呢？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我想這個政策的確是有延續的，在司法改革，我想很多的，已經陸續都有一直在落實了，我想這個改革…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：一個是大聲吶喊「我要大力的去改革」，一個是延續，您是要取其中，還是遵循哪一位呢？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個政策會延續，我想每一次的落實之後，一定會再更加地精進，以現在我們司改的工作重點，的確是五打，就是我們要嚴打，另外我們也建構一些柔性的、有感的司法，我想對被害者保護來說這是很重要的…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：剛才部長說的是會延續，政策性的部分當然是延續，但是我們反觀，有很多大聲吶喊要司法改革，但是都跳票，譬如說揭弊者保護法，到目前為止還沒有送到立法院，立法委員的版本在上個禮拜都已經在審了，請教部長您的看法？因為你擔任過檢察長，你在第一線作戰最辛苦，最辛苦，我們都非常清楚，人不夠，但案件一大堆，最辛苦，對於揭弊者保護法，你會去推動、儘速送到立法院嗎？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這部分，揭弊者保護法已經…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：因為8年已經跳票了啊！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：現在是在行政院的審查中。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：本席是請問你的立場。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：當然我們是希望能夠儘速立法，這一次我也它列入一個重要的法案了嘛。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：列為法務部重要的案子嘛，會儘速，你的立場會儘速督促行政院趕快送到…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：我不敢督促行政院，我們是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：不敢督促？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：不敢督促？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：因為我們已經送到行政院做審議，我想我們法務部…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你剛剛講了「我不敢督促」，你又彎下去，我又緊張了！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個不是…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：我對你期待很高耶。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：我想這個用詞不是督促啦…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，那你「請」…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們是請行政院，我們也是處在一個加速立法的過程。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，那會不會加速？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個一定會加速的，因為我想…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：會加速，有沒有進度？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個是有進度，我們上個月…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：小姐，你是要報告進度嗎？要不然你上來幹嘛？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個我們再進一步，我們在2月份…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你不要緊張，部長的能力非常好。部長，我們理性討論，揭弊者保護法在立法院，立法委員的提案上個禮拜就已經在司法委員會審查了，行政院版的部分我們還在等，所以你會請…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：對，我會請。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，你會請行政院儘速…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：加速的審查。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：加速審查，趕快送，所以行政院還沒審查嘛，那你會去催？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：現在有持續在審查中啊。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：持續審查中？你會去催嗎？你會「請」！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個部分我們會把委員的寶貴意見跟行政院來做一個報告，我想這個會加速審查。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：對，做一個報告，儘速好不好？加速。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：好，謝謝委員。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你的語詞是加速嘛。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：對，就是加速的進行。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，加速我也願意同意，但一定要加速，要有成效，好不好？ |
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接下來，本席要請問，這個越打越詐，檢察官在第一線，累垮了檢察官，對不對？案件這麼多，所以政府也看到這個問題，成立了國家打詐隊，打詐四法，但是你從身為檢察長，到現在你身為部長，在你檢察長的任內，我們的數字告訴你，2019年2萬3,054件，越打越詐；2023年數字會講話，多少呢？3萬7,984件。金額，民眾被騙的金額從四十多億，一直到將近九十億，這是顯性。隱性的還看不到，還更多，也累垮了我們檢察系統、法官，這怎麼辦？到目前為止，這怎麼辦？國家、人民已經面臨到這樣子的危機，每個人心裡很害怕，我電話到底接不接？訊息我到底看不看？看不看？人民生活在恐懼、不安心中，這是政府的責任，要怎麼去做？所以打詐的部分，您剛才說到了一句話，您說已經到了詐團核心，是嗎？接下來怎麼做？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：我想這個法制面，因為大家都反映法律的刑責不夠重，太輕了，這一次的打詐專法，我們對於這些比較，譬如說，高額的詐騙像1,000萬，或者複合型的詐欺行為，詐團的這部分有加重刑責。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：加重刑責，提高刑度，這個大家有共識，社會跟行政部門、立法院…… |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個還是要委員來支持啦，我們送到立法院後，我請委員支持，我們檢察官辦案需要武器，必須要嚴懲，要重懲，這才比較有嚇阻的效果，在我們高檢努力下，現在已經逐步的下降。另外我們做一些，像全國總歸戶的一個制度，我想可以讓這個案件整個可以有效去抓住這個詐團。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：刑度提高，你們再研議，你們還會不會加速？你這兩個字我滿喜歡的，加速！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個法律的草案已經出來，行政院的院會已經審查通過，已經要送到立法院了，所以這次也請委員…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：你會不會請行政院儘速、加速？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：這個打詐四法院會已經通過了，我們這邊是再來立法院請委員能夠支持，能夠遏止這個…… |
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楊委員瓊瓔：還沒送過來啊！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：應該要送過來，要送過來了。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：送過來了？要送過來，到底有沒有送過來？ |
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鄭部長銘謙：已經送過來了，送立法院了，要送立法院了，已經送立法院了，到時候請委員多支持，我想透過打詐的利器，會讓打詐的效果更好。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：部長，因為這個問題真的是國安危機，每個人民不安心，每個人民很恐慌，我想部長，這也是你就任部長後非常重要的工作指標之一吧。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：委員謝謝。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：所以加重提高刑度，這個我相信藍、綠、白的委員大家都有共識，因為這是社會民意，我們以民為主，以民意為主，讓人民能夠安心，好不好？要給你加油，我們一起來讓人民安心。 |
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鄭部長銘謙：我們就全力來讓打詐四法能夠通過，謝謝委員關心。 |
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楊委員瓊瓔：好，加油！ |
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鄭部長銘謙：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝楊委員，謝謝鄭部長。 |
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在這裡先預作一個宣告，待會在傅總召質詢結束後，我們先休息5分鐘。 |
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接下來有請傅總召。 |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊瓔發言 邀請部長有請鄭部長委員早部長好總統先生在就職的時候提到要積極打擊黑金 槍 毒聽到這個你預計要怎麼做 |
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這是你的本份,也是你的重心,要怎麼去做? |
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但是我們看到在蔡英文總統要就職的時候她是大聲吶喊一定要司法代改革那大家期待非常的高那但是這一次呢這個總統先生呢他說延續您看這兩位總統就職的時候針對於司法他們的宣誓差距那麼大您的看法呢 |
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一個是大聲吶喊我要大力的去改革一個是延續 |
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那您要取其中還是遵循哪一位呢?這個政策延續我想每一次的落實之後一定會再更加的一個精進那以現在我們司改的一個我們工作的重點的確是武打就是我們嚴打那另外我們也見過一些的我們也是柔性的一些有感的一個思考我想對悲憾的保護部長您說的就是說會延續 |
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政策性當然是延續但是我們反觀有很多大師吶喊要司法改革但是又跳票比如說這個階幣者保護法到目前為止還沒送到立法院立法委員的版本已經在上個禮拜都已經在審了請教部長您的看法因為你擔任過警察長你在第一線作戰最辛苦最辛苦我們都非常清楚 |
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主席主席 |
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法務部重要的這個案子會盡速 你的立場會盡速督促 |
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這個行政院趕快送到不敢督促我們是不敢督促因為我們已經送到行政院是審議那我想我們法務部你剛才講了我不敢督促你又彎下去我又緊張了啊這個不是我對你期待很高耶這個用詞不是督促好那你請請行政院我們也是做在加速的一個立法的一個考察好那會不會加速這個一定會加速的啊會加速有沒有進度 |
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小姐你現在報告進度嗎?要問一下幹嘛? |
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部長,你不用緊張,你部長的能力非常好來,部長,我們已經討論接避責保護法在立法院立法委員的提案就已經在上個禮拜就已經在司法委員會審查那我們行政院吧,我們在等所以,你會請,請對,我會請好,你會請行政院盡速來那個加速的審查加速審查趕快送,所以行政院還沒審查嗎? |
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越打越炸檢察官在第一線累垮了檢察官 |
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案件這麼多所以政府也看到這個問題成立了國家打詐隊打詐司法但是你身為檢察長到現在你身為部長在你檢察長任內我們的數字告訴你2019年兩萬三千零五十事件越打越詐2023年數字會講話 |
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三千七百九十八三萬七千九百八十四件金額民眾黨被騙的四十多億一直到將近九十億這是險性隱性的還看不到還更多也裂垮了我們檢查系統法官那這怎麼辦到目前為止這怎麼辦國家人民已經面臨到這樣子的危機 |
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每個人心很害怕我電話到底接不接訊息我到底看不看看不看哇 這個人民生活在恐懼不安心這是政府的責任要怎麼去做所以這個打炸的部分您剛才說到了一句話您說已經到了炸盤核心 |
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法制面反映在法律行則 |
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不夠不夠重那太輕了那這次我們打造裝法我們對這些的比較比如說高額的紮槍1000萬或者複合型的這些的炸漆的那個炸團這部分我們加重刑責加重刑責提高刑度這個是大家有共識社會跟行政部門跟立法院要委員來支持我們送到立法院我請委員支持我想這個我們檢換半料武器必須要這個嚴懲要嚴懲要重懲這才有 |
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刑事提高 |
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你們在研議,你們還會不會加速?你這兩個字我蠻喜歡的,加速!草案已經出來,已經行政院的院會已經審查通過了,已經要送到立法院了所以這次,這次請委員：你會不會請行政院儘速加速?這個打造司法已經院會通過了,我們這份是在立法院請委員能夠支持,能夠遏止這個還沒送過來?應該要送過來啦,要送過來啦送過來的,要送過來,到底有沒有送過來? |
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部長因為這個問題真的是國安危機每個人民不安心每個人民很恐慌我想部長這也是你的就任部長的非常重要的工作指標之一吧 |
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謝謝楊委員 |