| IVOD_ID |
152373 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/152373 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-09T10:57:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-09T11:03:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d554e30850cf792deec9f673169737f8b4f9ff50c8f2c18736499d1b681a2ac71eeae6d87bcf22d85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:57:35 - 11:03:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院、法務部及金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「強制執行保單解約償債未符比例原則紛爭頻傳亂象如何解」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時57分）主席、各位委員，有請司法院秘書長。 |
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主席：有請吳秘書長。 |
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吳秘書長三龍：委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：秘書長好。昨天跟今天早上，外交及國防委員會在審查陸海空軍懲罰法，這裡面很重要的就是說，到底什麼樣的……因為在討論的過程當中一直希望，司法院針對軍人怎麼樣懲罰，它是一個懲戒還是懲罰。譬如說，軍官、士官、士兵在行政院版的陸海空軍懲罰法裡面，第十八條中譬如說「撤職」，士官也有「撤職」，這個都是職業軍人，然後士兵也有職業軍人，有「廢止起役」，然後也有「剝奪或減少退除給與」，這個軍官、士官都有，這是財產權的剝奪，甚至是工作權的撤職，所以一直在討論，這些比較重的，是不是可以剝奪他的工作權、是不是能夠在懲戒法院裡面……更涉及到司法院的權責，所以今天就是提出來請秘書長回去請相關的同仁再好好地研議，可以嗎？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：可以。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。因為現在我們的軍人真的是愈來愈少了，所以大家要保障他們的工作權，上次因為時間的關係，今年3月4號我在這邊有質詢過秘書長，當然這個案子更早之前我也質詢過前任的秘書長。就是我們有一個鄉親已經八十幾歲，他從小就跟著父母親在自己祖先留下來的土地耕作、種植，但是因為他沒有所有權，它是國有土地，所以就被判刑，被判刑時引用了「上列被告因違反山坡地保育利用條例」。事實上整個查了之後，雖然有法扶的律師，法扶基金會今天也有在場，當初也有請法扶的律師協助，可能畢竟法多如牛毛，不是盡然全部都瞭解，也不知道它不是山坡地範圍內，不瞭解水土保持法，或是山坡地保育區跟山坡地搞不清楚。事實上，山坡地保育區跟山坡地範圍內不一樣，山坡地保育利用條例是指山坡地範圍內，所以不一樣。後來這位老先生八十幾歲被判刑，一個禮拜之後就過世，他說這是他祖先用的土地，現在卻被判刑。後來查了之後才知道，原來它不是山坡地，所以引用了錯誤的法律，雖然他已經過世了，但還是要平反，畢竟他的子女一查，永遠是犯刑法、被判刑的人的子女。甚至他的子女要繼續使用，也就變成是違法的，因為被判刑了。這也會涉及到如果他的孩子是軍人，也有可能因為違反刑事法，萬一被告，又要被撤職。所以類似像這樣的問題都必須要去解決。 |
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109年11月5日，本席也曾經在這邊質詢過。這個部分你們也很慎重，臺灣高等法院暨所屬法院法律座談會列了這個臨時提案，有甲說跟乙說，結果主持人說「本提案保留，不予討論」，這樣重大的事情！所以我才會在上次特別請秘書長回去要請同仁再重新討論，上次秘書長說再研議，這個部分如果還沒有結果的話，不要忘記，繼續趕快去處理，好不好？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：請刑事廳…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：要列入管考。 |
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陳副廳長信旗：報告委員，這部分已經有送請高院進行座談會的研議，就是列為今年度法律座談會的討論研議。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，很好，做詳細的說明，好不好？最主要是要做詳細的說明，秘書長，可以嗎？ |
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吳秘書長三龍：這個會這樣。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭委員，謝謝秘書長。在這裡預作會議宣告，待會休息5分鐘之後，我們回來處理臨時提案。如果有意加入連署的委員，請趕快加入，謝謝。 |
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現在休息5分鐘。 |
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休息（11時4分） |
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繼續開會（11時10分） |
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主席：先作會議程序宣告，我們現在繼續開會。剛剛宣告臨時提案的處理時間，先請林委員楚茵質詢完後，再進行臨時提案的處理。 |
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請林委員楚茵。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請司法院、法務部及金融監督管理委員會率所屬相關單位列席就「強制執行保單解約償債
未符比例原則紛爭頻傳亂象如何解」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、處理113年度中央政府總預
算關於司法院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案 |
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主席、各位委員有請司法院秘書長有請吳秘書長委員好秘書長好昨天跟今天早上外交國防委員會在審查陸海空軍懲罰法這裡面很重要的就是說到底 |
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怎麼樣的,因為在討論的過程當中一直希望這個司法院針對這個軍人啊怎麼樣的處懲罰他是一個懲戒還是懲罰這個比如說軍官士官士兵這個行政院版的這個陸海工軍懲罰法裡面第18條 |
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譬如說撤職士官也有撤職這個都是職業軍人然後士兵也有職業軍人廢職起義然後也有剝奪或減少退出集議軍官、士官都有財產權的一個剝奪甚至工作權的撤職 |
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可以嗎?可以 |
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因為現在我們的軍人真的是越來越少所以大家要保障他們的工作權上次這時間的關係上一次在今年的3月4號我在這邊有執行過秘書長當然這個案子更早之前我也執行過前任的秘書長就是說這個我們有一個鄉親 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算關於司法院及所屬主管預算凍結項目共8案。．並備質詢 |
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上列被告因違反山坡地保育利用條例違反山坡地保育利用條例事實上整個查了之後雖然有法輔的律師法輔基金會這邊也有在當初有請法輔的律師也協助 |
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啊可能這個畢竟法多如牛毛不是盡然全部都瞭解啊也不知道他他不是三坡地範圍內啊這個水土保持法或是這個啊三坡地保育區跟三坡地搞不清楚啊事實上這個三坡地保育區跟三坡地範圍內不一樣啊三坡地保育利用條例是指三坡地範圍內啊所以這個不一樣啊 |
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後來被判刑了這位老先生八十幾歲被判刑一個禮拜之後就過世他是講我祖先用的土地我現在被判刑 |
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所以後來查結果才知道原來他不是山坡弟不是山坡弟所以引用了錯誤的法律錯誤的法律雖然他已經過世了但是還是要平反啊畢竟他的子女永遠被一查這個是一個犯刑刑法的被判刑的子女 |
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甚至他的職你要繼續使用啊要繼續使用啊也就變成說這個是違法的啊你被判刑的啊這也會涉及到如果他的孩子是軍人也會說違反刑事法外被告也又要被撤職 |
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所以類似像這樣都必須要去解決所以本席也曾經在這邊質詢過109年11月5號所以這個部分你們也很慎重的台灣高等法院及所屬法院法律座談會列了這個臨時提案有假說跟已說結果呢 |
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主持人的本提案保留不予討論,本提案不予,這麼重大的事情,所以我才會在上次,上次的時候特別 |
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請秘書長回去請同仁再重新來討論上次秘書長說演議再演議這個部分如果還沒有結果的話不要忘記繼續來趕快處理好不好 |
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好 謝謝政委員 謝謝民主黨 |