| IVOD_ID |
151922 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151922 |
| 日期 |
2024-05-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-36,23-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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11 |
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1 |
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1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
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司法及法制委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-05-01T09:43:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-05-01T09:51:13+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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| 委員名稱 |
柯建銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:36 - 09:51:13 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-05-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員傅崐萁等33人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員傅崐萁等41人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案。） |
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柯委員建銘：（9時43分）主席、各位委員同仁。今天我首先要請教召委，昨天NCC名單送進來，今天審查這個法案，這種時間上巧妙的安排，召委你認為現在名單已經送進來，你要再修改遊戲規則，這正當性可以取得到嗎？這是第一個問題。 |
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第二個問題，我們現在看到黃國昌今天來這裡參與委員會，核心問題都沒有談到，都還是在講鏡電視，就已經講了3屆，到現在還在講！他質問主委對於他們調閱小組的回答，你本於職權、本來就是如此，立法院現在完全亂了套，黃國昌、傅崐萁兩個加起來毀憲亂政，無所不用其極，什麼事情都可以扯進來談。當年的釋字第729號我很清楚，是關於那時候特偵組的事情，我要調閱馬英九和檢察總長的通聯紀錄，那個都已經偵查結束了，結果釋字第729號出來後，連偵查結束的都不給你調，偵查中不能調，連偵查結束都不能給你調，那是當年的事，釋字第729號。 |
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而今天是在訴訟中，你用調閱委員會去處理，可行嗎？而且雙重違憲，關於釋字第585號的調查權，現在立法院都還沒通過，你可以用一個林國成當召委、一個人就決定要怎麼開會、要調誰，有這樣的法律嗎？可以這樣瞎搞到如此嗎？而且還要民間人士來，還揚言要蘇貞昌來，到底立法院現在是怎麼樣了？無法無天了？所以我們今天在這個地方要講一個憲法上很重要的權力分立原則，行政權和立法權等五權是分立的，立法院可以監督行政院，制衡行政院，沒有錯，但是沒有所謂你有上對下的關係，所以剛才陳耀祥回答黃國昌的很正確啊！立法院的質詢時間，立法院職權行使法第十八條規定得很清楚，是即問即答，兩個人共用時間，何來你不能講話、要聽訓、有上對下的關係？這根本都是違憲、違法，然後還在那邊大小聲，你當作大家都不識字就對了！ |
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我們要質問你們，核心問題是什麼？今天審查NCC組織法，核心性問題是國民黨提了四個版本，而且違憲、公然挑戰憲法，主席你是法律人士、你是檢察官，你在傅崐萁壓榨底下、強壓底下，名單已經送進來，你要修改遊戲規則，我要請問，立法委員選區都已經劃定、已經公告，大家都開始選舉了，你再來修改遊戲規則，選區重新劃定，這個不天下大亂有可能嗎？過去立法院在審查國會改革的時候，有單一選區兩票制，也是隔屆了，大家立法委員都已經選舉開跑、進入最後3個月了，選區都劃定了，然後再選區重新劃定，不分區代表重改、原住民代表重改，這可能嗎？今天活生生就上演這個案例嘛！尤其傅崐萁委員你要注意聽，你一個人提兩個版本，全部都跟憲法衝撞，你要重新回到政黨比例，釋字第613號是經過4任行政院長最後才修法完成的。當年為了政黨比例，我們在立法院跟國民黨嚴重衝突，甚至造成總預算沒有過，我們這樣擋了半年，所以這個在整個立法史上是一個非常有名的案例。 |
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大法官解釋出來，居然還公然挑戰，就是傅崐萁的版本、就是翁曉玲委員的版本，傅崐萁還一個人提兩個版本，有重新衝撞的可能性；他提了兩個版本，第四條、第八條還有第十條，光光第四條除了衝撞憲法以外，要重新來挑戰憲法，挑戰政黨比例，同時它還有任免權！還有NCC委員離職後3年內不能夠選舉、服公職，這有違反憲法的參政權，每一條都這樣亂搞、瞎搞！然後洪孟楷的版本更離譜，抄到當年2016年釋字第613號以後國民黨才提出的版本，他用改良式的方法，然後這個版本也是違憲，他的版本是要從第7屆開始，各位請看看洪孟楷的版本，把舊的都抄過來，現在是第幾屆？現在是第11屆，但他的版本是寫從第7屆開始，所以時光要倒流嗎？這些過去沒有當立委的……法案要抄也抄好一點，國民黨如此的粗糙，毀憲亂政，莫此為甚，今天本席要在這裡表示，所有的版本，包括翁曉玲版本也是一樣，他是改良式的政黨比例，行政院長任命主委，然後另外一個人是行政任命，他有5個人，院長提名兩個，一個主委，一個委員，剩下3個副主委是立法院來任命，這澈底剝奪行政院的權力、這澈底違憲。翁曉玲委員，你老公是大法官，這樣的法案你們也提得出來？ |
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今天我們在這裡要談一個很清楚的事情，黃國昌在那邊表演、大小聲都沒有用，全都沒有講到核心問題，而是在作秀，我一直希望他出來打球、好好做憲政辯論、憲法辯論、相關版本的辯論，他一直在護航國民黨，他怎麼護航叫他來講清楚。傅崐萁，你以為你和黃國昌兩個加起來天下無敵了，國家在你們兩個掌控中，國家會毀在你們兩個手中，物極必反啊！我要告訴你，不要作惡多端啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：時間到，謝謝養老院的院長。 |
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柯委員建銘：黃國昌的時間到，你就不敢講，屁都不敢放。 |
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傅委員崐萁：養老院的院長。 |
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主席：謝謝柯總召。 |
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傅委員崐萁：老人院院長…… |
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柯委員建銘：你沒用啦！ |
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傅委員崐萁：你壞掉了啦！老番顛！ |
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柯委員建銘：頑石沒辦法點頭。 |
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傅委員崐萁：都說一樣的事情，會不會累啊？ |
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主席：我先簡單回應一下，我們還是希望會議進行順利，今天的排案一切依照規定排案，請柯總召或其他委員不用刻意去做錯誤的解讀。第二個，審查結果，我們一切依照聯席委員的審查結論，所以也不要做刻意帶風向的解讀。第三個，柯總召，小弟我書念得不多，我國是成文法國家，如果我們今天的排案有任何違法或違憲的地方，再麻煩柯總召會後能夠開示一下，讓我瞭解，到底我今天排的案子哪裡違法、哪裡違憲？NCC委員的名單提出來，然後我們今天審遊戲規則，如果這個有任何違法或違憲的地方，再麻煩跟小弟我開示一下，謝謝柯總召。 |
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我們接下來請陳俊宇委員發言。 |
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併案審查( 一) 委員傅崐萁等33 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案、
( 二) 委員傅崐萁等41 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草
案」案、( 三) 委員洪孟楷等25 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條及第十條條文修正草
案」案、 ( 四 ) 委員翁曉玲等 18 人擬具「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案」案 |
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主席各位委員同仁今天我首先要請教昭偉昨天是NCC的名單進來現在審查這個法案這種時間強化安排那作為昭偉你認為現在已經要名單送進來你要再修改有事規則這正當性可以取得到嗎這是第一個問題 |
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因為問題就是說我們現在看到洪孟楷今天來這裡參與委員會核心問題都沒有在說還是一樣同樣的今天是從已經講了三屆到現在還在講他在質問主委你為什麼有對於他們貂魚小組的回答你本一天本來就是如此啦 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一． |
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檢查中不能調,但檢查結束都不能給你調,那是當然的事情,7月9日4日。今天是在輸送中,你用這個要委員會要去處理,可行嗎?而且雙重違憲,雙重違憲。另外一件事,你用5854日 |
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通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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這一個五權是分立的你委員可以監督行政院、智能行政院沒有錯但是沒有所謂的你上對下的關係所以剛才只要想回答黃國昌很正確啊你委員的執行時間是執行新法第18條規定是很清楚是即問即答兩個人共過時間回來之後你不能講話那聽信這上對下的關係這根本都是違憲違法 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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已經名單送進來你要修改遊戲規則我請問假如我們立法委員選區都已經發訂跟公告大家都開始選取了你再修改遊戲規則選區重新重新發訂這個不天下大約有可能嗎?過去立法院在審查國會改革的時候有單一選區兩票制也是隔屆了 |
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立法院第11屆第1次聯席會議及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家 |
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通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員併案．一律法史上是一個非常有名的案例。今天大法院事實出來、解釋出來,既然官方挑戰,就是胡文煦版本,就是翁曉筠版本。胡文煦還一個人提兩個版本,重新創造了可能性。欸,實在說,他提兩個版本,第四條、第八條還有第十條。官方第四條除了 |
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通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案 項目一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、九、十、九、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、十、 |
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洪孟楷的版本照理貨,洪孟楷的版本抄當年2016、1964以後,國民黨才提出的版本,他用改良師用改,然後說這個版本也是違憲。他是要版本寫從第7屆開始,各位請看看,洪孟楷的版本連抄都抄,把舊的抄,現在第幾屆?現在第11屆,因為他的版本寫從第7屆開始, |
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那時光要倒流是吧?這些空氣沒有當地委員全部回來是吧?那草法拿草法去...國民黨是粗糙!違憲斷正,莫此為勝!所以請今天本席要再次議。所有的版本,我們歐美社的版本也是一樣,它是改行社這樣比喻,緊戰院長任命主委,然後另外一個人是緊戰院,大概五個人,院長提名兩個,一個主委一個委員, |
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剩下三個副主委是立法院來任命這徹底無奉行政院的權利這徹底違憲我相信委員你老公是大法官了這樣的法案免得提而出來今天我們在這裡要談一個很清楚的事情法官商在那裡表演那一句我不懂前一陣子沒有講到核心問題這是作秀 |
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我一直希望他出來打球來好好做憲政辯論、憲法辯論、版本的辯論他一直在呼喚國民黨他怎麼呼喚就要來講清楚吧你以為你要黃國昌兩個加起來天下無敵國家在你們兩個掌控中國家要肥在你們兩個惡極必反啊我要告訴你不要作惡多端啊 |
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合共商實驗代理人吳楷部長報告。 |