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151327 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151327 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
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交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T12:55:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T13:00:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:55:43 - 13:00:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長王國材就「花蓮地震公路、鐵路、空運、海運應變機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
【4月15日、17日及18日三天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（12時56分）主席，請部長、公路總局陳局長。 |
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主席：請部長、陳局長。 |
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王部長國材：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長、局長，還有交通部的所有官員。我們回顧一下蘇花改。部長，這次蘇花改在0403地震都沒有怎麼樣吧？ |
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王部長國材：沒錯。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當時蘇花改路段是先做以前災害比較多，對人員安全造成傷害比較多的，沒有錯吧？ |
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王部長國材：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以當初是先做比較困難的，且當時交通部部長毛治國還親自到環保署，因為當時是由環保署負責有關環評的部分。我們來看蘇花改，民國97年11月10日行政院核定可行性研究，兩年多之後就動工了，即100年1月29日，兩年多就動工了，當時是先做比較困難的。至於蘇花安，108年由行政院核定，然後開始進入環評，從108年行政院核定可行性研究到現在，你們本來預估111年進入環評，結果交通部一直到去年，也就是112年11月21日才送到環境部。環境部在今年3月20日召開環評會議，但初審很有意見！這部分我上次也跟次長講了，交通部公路總局要跟環評委員說明狀況，因為環評委員換了，以前跟現在的都不一樣。蘇花安沒有通過很奇怪，所以這部分要說明清楚，尤其當他們有疑慮時，可以給他們看南迴公路，南迴公路也是往海邊蓋，也有啊，而蘇花安有一部分也是這樣，所以要讓他們清楚知道，以前能通過，為什麼現在不能過？要去說服！至於說服的方式就是用事實來證明，可以嗎？ |
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王部長國材：由於2月的審查小組有意見，所以我們原來預計5月底送進去，但現在4月底就送進去了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：要提早送。 |
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王部長國材：的確，蘇花路廊因為在太魯閣國家公園，所以要求做四季環評，因此有一年時間被拖在環評上。但我認為這是目前花蓮、臺東最重要的一條路，我們必須加速來進行。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，確實應該要加速進行，而且一定要把它說明清楚，讓他們去瞭解，還可以有一個案例，那是什麼案例？北迴鐵路1980年2月1號正式通車典禮，部長也清楚嘛！北迴鐵路這次0403地震，凌晨經過檢視之後就安全了，都沒有怎麼樣就通車了，對不對？4月4號的凌晨就通車了，北迴鐵路就是一個很好的案例，所以這個部分就是要讓環評人員瞭解。 |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：當初就是6年工期，我們現在會覺得汗顏！所以這個部分一定要請交通部、公路總局，把這些實際的案例讓環評人員瞭解，能夠快速的通過，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好，OK。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：下一位請洪孟楷委員發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請交通部部長王國材就「花蓮地震公路、鐵路、空運、海運應變機制」進行專題報告，並
備質詢；二、審查委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案」案 |
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還沒有?還沒有? |
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主席、部長、公路總局局長還有我們交通部的所有的官員我們去回顧一下蘇花改部長這次蘇花改這個零四零三地震都沒有怎麼樣嗎?蘇花改 |
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當時蘇花蓮的路段是先做以前災害比較多比較容易然後對人員的安全會比較傷害比較多的先做沒有錯吧所以這個當初都是比較困難的先做了 |
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當時我們交通部部長毛志國部長親自到這個環保署當時是環保署有關環評的部分我們看這個書法改民國97年11月10號 |
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行政院合定這個可行性的研究兩年多之後就動工了有沒有一百年一月二十九號兩年多就動工了當時是比較困難的好這個書花案一百零八年行政院合定行政院合定然後開始進入環評整個 |
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一百零八年行政院核定可行性研究到現在你們本來預估一百一十一年進入環評結果交通部一直到去年一百一十二年十一月二十一號才送到環境部然後環境部在今年的三月二十號召開環評會議出審還有意見 |
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所以這個部分我上次也跟次長講了交通部公務總局要跟環評委員因為環評委員換了跟以前的跟現在的不一樣要跟他們說明了蘇阿改的狀況跟現在蘇阿安這個時候沒有通過很奇怪所以這個部分要把它說明清楚尤其他們也有疑慮 |
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你就給他看南迴公路有沒有南迴公路也是往海邊去蓋的也有啊這個因為說要改說要安也有嘛有一部分是這樣要讓他清楚知道以前都通過為什麼現在不能過要說服說服的方式就是用事實來讓他證明 |
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可以嗎?現在二月的小組有意見。他是原來跟我們講五月底送進去。我們現在四月底就要送進去了。要提早送。那的確這個蘇哈路廊因為在太魯閣國家公園他要求四季的環評。所以有一年的時間在這個環評被拖到這個時間。但是我覺得這個是目前我認為在花蓮台東最重要的一條路。我們必須加速來進行。 |
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對,確實應該要加速地來進行而且要一定要去把它說明清楚讓他們去了解還可以有個案例是什麼案例北回鐵路1980年2月1號正式通車典禮部長也清楚嗎北回鐵路這一次0403地震 |
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凌晨就經過檢視檢視之後就安全了都沒有怎麼樣就通車了嘛對不對4月4號的凌晨就通車了給個鐵路這個就是很好的案例所以這個部分的就是要讓環評人員那個瞭解當初啊你看6年就工期6年工期啊 |
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我們現在會覺得汗顏啊所以這個部分一定要請交通部國務總局把這些實際的案例讓環評人員了解能夠快速的通過好不好好OK好謝謝 |