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151292 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151292 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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交通委員會 |
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第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T11:25:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T11:37:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:43 |
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gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cfb4b12132f016272d33b5f39ee8b1570e5cada98db34c32c5dab72e655c1c941ebfeb97457f9b415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:48 - 11:37:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長王國材就「花蓮地震公路、鐵路、空運、海運應變機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案」案。
【詢答及處理】
【4月15日、17日及18日三天一次會】） |
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陳委員雪生：（11時25分）謝謝主席，是不是請部長？ |
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王部長國材：召委好。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長，本席再說一次，因為本席剛才是在主席台上說，這次花蓮的震災，雖然當時馬祖起濃霧，但我們還是以救災為先，讓新臺馬輪開往花蓮，結果就是我們馬祖這邊一團亂，說真的，我們真的要謝謝連江縣的王縣長，還有所有鄉親的體諒。 |
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王部長國材：是的。 |
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陳委員雪生：當時載了二百多輛車、四百多個人回來，是不是？解決了一個大問題。關於這個船，本席也和航港局葉局長說過，像這種船配置以後，例如去澎湖要搭船，或是當金門有霧的時候，這個船也可以駛往金門救援，所以這件事很重要，因為金門、馬祖常常起霧，或者澎湖或花蓮有問題時也可以出動。這個機制很好，雖然對我們而言確實會帶來不便，但是王縣長和鄉親討論後，基於大愛、同胞愛，還是同意把船開去花蓮救援，我們自己搭小船來臺北。 |
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王部長國材：是，真的非常謝謝王縣長，還有陳召委，我們航港局打一個電話，他馬上同意，而且那是清明輸運的時候，人潮滿滿的，但是當時船隻馬上就到花東輸運，所以我們非常感謝。縣長和陳委員都有大功，非常感謝你們願意協助其他縣市。 |
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陳委員雪生：也非常謝謝我們的鄉親，他們都能諒解政府的作為。 |
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王部長國材：是，了解。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們有一艘臺馬之星，你知道吧？ |
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王部長國材：知道。 |
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陳委員雪生：臺馬之星建造的時候確實有問題，因為它是2萬噸的船，就像把牛的心臟裝在豬的身體裡面，你看豬活得下去嗎？豬活不下去啦！所以臺馬之星還會有狀況，本席也和縣長說了，不如即時淘汰。我們臺馬輪不是賣了一點錢嗎？交通部也可以考慮，除了這些錢，你們再給一點，就可以再建造一艘，但不要那麼大，為什麼呢？因為那邊常常起霧，這樣兩邊才可以對開。 |
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當然，這裡面需要投入一些經費，但這也是為了解決離島交通的問題，而且金門、澎湖都有四星的機場，我們的機場到現在連三星都不是。 |
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王部長國材：快有了。 |
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陳委員雪生：的確是快了，沒錯！尤其是南竿機場險象環生，那個側風確實會產生問題，但是南竿機場已經無法改善，請問部長，北竿機場改建案在哪裡？ |
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王部長國材：3月18日國發會已經送到行政院，現在就等行政院核定，我覺得應該很快啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：但本席在行政院卻找不到這個案子啊！秘書處已經上陳了吧？就本席的判斷，案子應該是在政委那邊。 |
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王部長國材：是，他說…… |
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陳委員雪生：因為本席問過鄭文燦副院長，也沒有在他那邊，鄭文燦副院長沒有看到，院長更看不到。總質詢的時候院長答復本席，當時部長也在場嘛！他說什麼時候回復？本席要求兩個禮拜，你和院長都說一個月，現在一個月的時間到了，院長說話不能不算話。 |
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王部長國材：好，如果在政…… |
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陳委員雪生：陳建仁院長可以說話不算話嗎？ |
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王部長國材：現在看起來在北竿機場擴建這個案子，大家都支持啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：國發會同意啊！ |
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王部長國材：對，我再了解一下政委那邊有什麼意見。 |
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陳委員雪生：現在還有什麼意見？ |
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王部長國材：我了解一下。我不知道是…… |
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陳委員雪生：上次選舉前，院長說已經核定，選完以後本席又問院長，院長說原來案子還在行政院。院長已經答應，而且本席也要求兩個禮拜回復，但你們說要一個月，可是一個月的時間也到啦！陳建仁院長說話算不算話？說話不算話也沒關係，請你說清楚，本席可以召開記者會，主題就是院長說話不算話。 |
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王部長國材：主要是程序還沒有走到院長那邊。 |
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陳委員雪生：這裡的會議是有錄音、錄影的，也有文字稿，這不可以亂來吧？ |
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王部長國材：是，我也來幫忙追蹤一下。 |
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陳委員雪生：本席已經打了三次電話給部長，拜託你追蹤，你追到哪裡去了？ |
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王部長國材：上次是追國發會，現在國發會已經送出來了。 |
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陳委員雪生：本席天天都在追，每一天、每一時、每一秒都在緊盯。 |
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王部長國材：是的。 |
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陳委員雪生：有鄉親說北竿機場的改建可能會影響到經濟發展，其實這不用急，你們可以先核定北竿機場的改建案。本席也問過龔主委，那橋呢？世曦是國內頂尖的工程顧問公司，他們已經把案子標出去了，請英國的第三方公正人士評估造橋有沒有困難。龔主委也是好意啦！而且賴準總統也打過好幾次電話給龔主委，他也在關心這個案子，這件事你可能不知道，所以本席現在告訴你。本席的層次比你還高啦！因為本席知道的事情，你還不知道。 |
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但本席也要拜託部長，雖然你快卸任了，我們很惋惜，但不是今天就要開告別式，本席也希望不要告別，好不好？我們是永遠的朋友，拜託你，關於這個部分，請您繼續幫我們努力。 |
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王部長國材：好的。 |
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陳委員雪生：尤其是橋的部分。當然先造橋嘛！是不是？橋如果核定就先造橋，橋如果沒有核定的話，我們再來和居民討論，因為造橋時起碼會有300名工人進場。而且觀光客不可能到了南竿卻不去北竿，一定也會到北竿消費嘛！所以居民不需要太過介意。北竿的居民以後要到南竿搭船，造成那邊的交通不便，我們也可以提出方案或配套措施，例如搭船不要錢，對不對？這5年搭船到南竿都由政府出錢，這些都不是問題啦！ |
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當然，在適當的時機，本席也會安排去馬祖考察，請交通部、部長、民航局長、航政司長等相關單位，一起到那邊向北竿鄉親做一個完整的說明，因為現在大橋還沒有定案，你們去說明都是空的，本席或是民航局去說明都不對，要等大橋定案以後才能完整的說明，現在坊間的傳聞，其實都是隨便說說，所以本席才沒有即時回應老百姓。 |
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請你們把大橋的案子定案，到底做或不做，如果做的話是怎麼回事，不做又是怎麼回事，因為這畢竟是中央政府的德政，我們非常感謝。另外說到今天的主題雪隧，雪隧當初做了20年，國六要做多少年？本席不知道，但是你們今天不做，明天就會後悔。早上很多委員說了，中央山脈有斷層、水層等等，雪山隧道沒有嗎？雪山隧道也有啊！但可以轉彎、繞道嘛！有很多方式可以處理，是不是？你們今天不做，明天就會後悔，因為臺中到花蓮可以有一條那麼近的路。 |
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雪隧做20年，我們可以做30年、40年啊！雖然我們看不到，但我們可以幫下一代著想，所以起碼要先做可行性評估、地質測量等等，這些配套措施都可以用上。而且傅崐萁委員並沒有說今天馬上就要做啊！也沒有說需要多少錢啊！是不是？評估需要多少錢？其實大家也不知道，有人說工程經費是8,000億元，或是這個金額的好幾倍，但如果分30年、50年，其實每年就不需要那麼多錢了嘛！所以本席覺得交通部和執政黨的同仁、委員，不要站在很主觀的方向去想這個問題，直接交給專業的專家去做評估，這才是比較有道理的。部長，你覺得呢？ |
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王部長國材：是。我剛才也談到，我們是從正向來思考這件事，而且現在已經在做路廊探勘和地質調查，在這個調查裡面，我們會把重要課題找出來，然後就能進入可行性評估。我們覺得這是一個很重大的工程，對花蓮也很重要，但是它必須很嚴肅、很專業的去做評估，而不是用一個條例直接定下來，就像馬祖大橋一樣要做綜合規劃，也跑了這麼久的流程，對交通部公路局來說，這件事已經證明可行，現在只是在等核定。 |
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陳委員雪生：本席有問過龔主委，世曦做的評估還不夠嗎？你們還要拿到英國去評估？他說英國的公司也會找世曦去討論啦！ |
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王部長國材：同樣的道理，我個人是持正面的態度，但我覺得它要經過類似馬祖大橋這樣的評估，之後我們就能加速進行。當然，這次台8線這麼脆弱，我們覺得這部分的腳步應該要加快進行。 |
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陳委員雪生：等新的閣揆上任，本席會就這方面請教，因為賴準總統也很關心，他去馬祖時也答應本席要蓋這座大橋。 |
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王部長國材：是，沒錯。 |
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陳委員雪生：他要做喔！不是不做，所以本席覺得希望滿大的。本席是希望大橋和機場一起做，站在馬祖的立場、視野來看，這樣才是永續經營之道。 |
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王部長國材：好的，了解。 |
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陳委員雪生：這也是為了後代子孫，不管本席是否看得到。我們共同努力，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好，謝謝，謝謝召委。 |
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陳委員雪生：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝陳雪生召委。 |
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接下來請魯委員明哲發言。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請交通部部長王國材就「花蓮地震公路、鐵路、空運、海運應變機制」進行專題報告，並
備質詢；二、審查委員傅崐萁等53人擬具「國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案」案 |
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好謝謝主席是不是請部長部長我再說一次齁因為剛才在主席台上面這個這一次花蓮的震災我們新臺馬倫你看我們馬上就啟農屋喔啟農屋啊我們還是以救災為先 |
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那麼這個新唐人去開往花蓮,開往花蓮我們馬祖那邊一團亂啊所以說真的我們真的要謝謝連江縣的王縣長還有所有鄉親的體諒帶了200多輛車子回來400多個人是不是解決了一個大問題啊所以我才講說這個船啊我也跟航港局業局長講你像這種船做了以後,澎湖也要做船嘛 |
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金門有霧的時候,這個船也可以持往金門救援。我們的船也可以持往那邊去救援。所以這很重要,因為金門馬祖常常起霧。婆屋有問題,你看,花蓮有問題,我們就去了。這個機制很好,對我們地方確實帶來不便。但是我覺得王國材跟鄉親討論,我們基於大愛,所以同胞愛, |
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我們船開具我們借座小船到台北來我真的非常謝謝王縣長還有陳昭偉我們海關局打一個電話他馬上同意而且那是在清明輸運的時候是人滿滿的我就非常感謝就是說 |
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然後馬上就到花東來輸印我非常非常謝謝真的在過去我跟縣長陳委員我們覺得你們都是非常的大功願意來協助各縣市非常感謝所以我們鄉親當然也非常謝謝我們鄉親他們也都諒解政府的作為了所以從這個地方 |
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我們有一條臺馬之星你知道嗎?臺馬之星這條船做的時候確實有問題。把牛的心臟、兩萬噸的船的心臟裝在那個豬的心臟裡面。你看那個豬能夠活得下去嗎?豬活不下去。所以臺馬之星還會有狀況。我跟你講不如能夠淘汰、及時淘汰。 |
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那我們臺馬倫不是有賣了一點錢嗎?賣了一點錢你交通部可以考慮,賣了錢再加上我們再給一點錢,再去做一條不要那麼大的,為什麼?因為常常起霧,常常起霧兩邊可以對開,當然這裡面要投入一些經費 |
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但是為了解決離島交通的問題。金門、澎湖都有4系的機場啊。我們到現在連3系都還不是啊。快有了,快有了。尤其快了沒錯啊。南韓機場的顯像還生了齁。那個側風確實有問題喔。南韓機場已經無法改善了。我請問部長,北韓機場改建案在哪裡?案子。現在國號會已經送到行政院。 |
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三月二十八送過去,現在就等約定來合定,我覺得應該很快行政院我去找就找不到啊,行政院我去找找不到秘書處已經也上層了案子應該我在判斷在政委那邊應該的因為我也問了鄭文燦副院長也沒有啊鄭文燦副院長沒看到,院長更看不到 |
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我在總質詢的時候,院長答覆我,部長你也在場,他跟我講什麼時間,我要求兩個禮拜,那你跟院長一樣講一個月,這一個月時間到啦,院長講話不能不算話,院長可以講話不算話嗎? |
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陳建源院長我跟趙偉豹現在看起來在北根機場扣件都支持國防會同意啊我了解一下政委那邊有沒有什麼意見我再了解一下現在還有什麼意見我了解一下我在上一次選舉之前院長說已經核定了啊核定後來這一次選完以後我又問院長,院長說原來還在院裡面院長都已經答應了啊 |
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而且我要求說兩個禮拜,很像你們講一個月吧,一個月時間也到啦陳俊仁院長講話算不算話?不算話也沒關係,你講清楚啊,我來開個記者會啊,院長講話不算話?對,因為他主要程序還沒有當面講那有語音餒,有影像餒,有文字稿餒,這不可以亂來吧? |
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我來幫你追蹤一下追蹤我已經打三次電話給部長了拜託你追蹤你追到哪裡?上次是追國道會現在國道已經出來了我天天都在追我是每天每一時每一秒也有人相信講說北竿機場的改建可能會影響到一些經濟發生的問題 |
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我跟你講不要急嘛,你先把北韓機場先把它改進來核定。我也問工主委啦,我說橋勒?世西是我們國內頂尖的這個工程顧問公司欸。那他現在已經標案出去了,請英國的英國的地方第三方的工程人士再來評估這個造橋有沒有困難度。 |
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他算是好意啦公主委算是好意那我們賴準總統也打電話給公主委好幾次也在關心這個案可能你不知道但是我告訴你我的層次比你還高啦我知道的事情你還不知道我說拜託部長雖然你快卸任了我們很晚熄啦不是說今天就要開告別式我希望不要告別好不好我們永遠的朋友 |
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我拜託就是說在這個部分請您繼續幫我們努力尤其橋啊當然先做橋嘛是不是橋如果合定先做橋橋如果沒有合定的話我們再來跟居民討論看看這裡面因為做橋有300個人起碼進場嘛那觀光客的話不可能到了南竿你不到北竿這不可能一定也會到北竿去消費嘛所以居民不需要那個你北竿的居民以後要到 |
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南韓坐船造成他交通的不便,我們也可以有方案出來嘛,配套措施。不要錢嘛對不對,在這五年坐船到南韓來,我們政府來出嘛。這都不是問題啦,都不是問題啦。 |
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當然在適當時機我也會去馬鞍珠考察的時候有請交通部、有請部長、民航局長、行政司長相關單位也會到那邊去跟我們鄉親、北韓的鄉親做一個完整的說明因為現在橋還沒有決定嘛你去說明都是空的現在我去說明也不對民航局去說明也不對 |
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因為你大喬要定案以後才能夠有完整的說明所以坊間一直在講說這樣那樣都是隨便講親喳共共所以我才沒有及時的去回應我們老百姓我想你把大喬案子定案做還是不做?如果做的話怎麼回事?不做的話怎麼回事? |
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因為畢竟這個中央政府的這個德政我們是非常感謝另外講到今天的主題雪隧雪隧做了20年那國六國六要做多少年我是不知道但是你今天不做明天就會後悔剛才早上很多委員講了哎呀中央山脈有什麼東西啊落成啊或者有什麼斷層啊有水啊什麼的我們雪山隧道沒有嗎雪山隧道也有 |
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可以轉彎啦,可以繞道嘛,很多的方式。是不是?你今天不做,明天就會後悔。台中到花蓮可以找那麼近的一條路。我們他做20年,雪水做20年,我們可以做30年啦,做40年啦。我們是看不到起碼我們幫下一代著想。你起碼先有個可行性的評估。 |
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你地質的測量等等都可以把這些配套全部用上去嘛而且我們副國務級委員也沒有講說今天馬上要做啊也沒有講說多少錢啊是不是評估多少錢也不知道啊那有人講說是八千億是好幾倍我們一年的工程金費你分30年50年就沒有那麼多錢了嘛所以我覺得交通部啊還有我們一些執政黨的同仁啊委員啊 |
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不要站在很主觀的方向去想,交給專業的專家有沒有去做評估,去做評估是比較有道理的。部長你覺得勒?基本上我剛才談到我們從這個正向來思考這件事,但是就是說剛才談到的我們現在已經在做路廊踏桿跟地址調查 |
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我們在這個調查裡面會把重要課題把它找出來然後就進入可行性那我們是覺得說這個是一個很重大的工程對花蓮也很重要但是它必須很嚴肅很專業的做一個評估不是說用一個條例直接把它定下來就像這個馬祖大橋一樣也做到綜合規劃中間也跑這麼 |
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已經證明對交通部公路局來講已經證明可行了阿只是現在在合作有我有問過公主委阿世襲還不夠嗎你還要拿到英國去他說英國的公司也會找世襲去討論同樣道理就是說我個人是持正面但是我覺得他要經過類似馬祖大學這種評估然後我們就加速進行那當然這一次在這個台八的狀況這麼脆弱我們是覺得在這一個腳步齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
681.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我們可以加快,應該再加快來進行我認為新的格規上來我會就這方面因為賴院長他也很關心這個大橋他去馬祖也答應我他要做這個大橋他要做不是不做賴準總統他要做不是不做所以我覺得希望蠻大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
682.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
700.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
我希望是大橋跟機場我們一起來做。把馬阿祖的未來,我站在馬阿祖的高度、馬阿祖的視野來看這個問題。這才是永續的一個經營制造,為了後代子孫。我不管我看得到看不到。好不好,我們共同努力好不好。好,謝謝。謝謝趙委員。 |