| IVOD_ID |
149955 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149955 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T09:45:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T09:58:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733aea22418fc1a82cb33919bba56314a630f8ba9b0039caa7a6ed139ae0a6a6f6e75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝龍介 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:50 - 09:58:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「為維護偵查程序之順利進行及真實發現，並兼顧人權維護，如何落實偵查不公開原則及相關流程缺失之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝委員龍介：（9時46分）我請部長和副秘書長。 |
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主席：麻煩部長、副秘書長上臺。 |
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謝委員龍介：部長辛苦了！ |
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蔡部長清祥：謝謝委員。 |
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謝委員龍介：一張照片有人實在是很難解釋，偵查不公開，檢察官為了要破案，譬如說媒體報導民意代表謝龍介在議會有說了什麼話，他也會請我去，希望可以得到一些線索，因為君子避嫌，所以我都會去，我們就講一講，對你要問的，我讓你理解，但有的媒體是這樣的嘛，你要問我的消息，那你也要透露一些消息給我，有時候在色度上，這有一個灰色地帶，所以這要靠機關跟這些承辦人員自律，自律很重要，我記得我也曾經給你看過一張相片，對不對？機關的自律很重要。我請教副秘書長，我們現在那個無期徒刑是不是應該要終身監禁？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，無期徒刑是法定刑，宣判刑當然是無期徒刑，但是實際上會有假釋，在執行過一段時間會有假釋。 |
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謝委員龍介：沒有啦！法律規定可以報假釋，但是報假釋不一定要過，假釋又不是他的權利，對不對？那是因為我們的法律，所以報假釋不是一定要過，無期徒刑為什麼現在變成要讓他執行25年之後我們才讓他報假釋，我請問你，在假釋的期間他可以再犯罪嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，如果在假釋期間還犯罪，就可能會撤銷假釋然後繼續執行。 |
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謝委員龍介：去執行要關多久？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：本來他的殘刑是20幾年，但是前幾天大法官有做了一號解釋，就是不能一律再執行25年，要區分情形，這是大法官最新的解釋。 |
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謝委員龍介：就是在上禮拜五，大法官是大恐龍喔？你不覺得你們司法院的法官被罵是恐龍法官跟他們都有關係？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：大法官是依照比例原則。 |
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謝委員龍介：憑什麼進去還要看再犯了什麼罪才定還要再關幾年，是大法官在定的嗎？你不覺得他有侵犯到本院的立法權嗎？你沒有這樣覺得嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告…… |
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謝委員龍介：這樣啦！他說如果是判5年以下，例如他判4年半，他回去還要再關10年，就是他再犯的罪啦！那如果是有期徒刑呢？我問你，有期徒刑假釋，判20年，關10年後假釋出去，他如果再犯要關幾年？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：應該就是剩下的殘刑嘛！ |
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謝委員龍介：他的判刑要執行28年，他關14年之後假釋了，如果再犯要回來關幾年？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：如果是判28年，又已經執行14年了，剩下當然是10幾年。 |
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謝委員龍介：他回來還要關14年嘛！對不對？判無期徒刑，假釋出去犯殺人罪判4年，要回來關10年；這個人有期徒刑假釋出去，犯傷害判7個月，卻要回來關14年，我這樣說有沒有錯？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告…… |
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謝委員龍介：依照大法官在上個星期五所寫的啊！ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：大法官是針對無期徒刑，並沒有處理到有期徒刑的部分，他也是說…… |
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謝委員龍介：為什麼他說無期徒刑這樣叫違憲？如果是這樣，有期徒刑假釋出去的為什麼沒有違憲？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：大法官並沒有去說有期徒刑的部分，因為這次處理的是無期徒刑的部分，並不在他解釋的範圍裡面，我們沒辦法去預設將來可能的結論。 |
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謝委員龍介：我請問你，你認為大法官把這些刑、再犯要再關多久、判多少年，犯什麼罪要再關多久，有侵犯到立法院的立法權嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，這是大法官依憲法的解釋權啦！ |
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謝委員龍介：是他的解釋權，如果這樣的話，那本院就再修法律，瑞雄啊！就是逼社會輿論會跳起來，你逼立法委員又要修一條無期徒刑都不能假釋的規定，沒有假釋就沒有違憲的問題了，是這樣嗎？現在變成要這樣嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：因為那個釋憲不釋憲不是我們司法行政能夠說明的。 |
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謝委員龍介：不是啦！就是這樣嘛！沒有假釋就沒有違憲了，有假釋才有違憲，大法官現在的立場是這樣，是這樣的看法啊！對不對？他有去研究無期徒刑的再犯率是多少嗎？你知道嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：再犯率可能不知道，我們司法院本身是沒有統計。 |
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謝委員龍介：你不知道，那部長理解嗎？這部分應該是你們的部分。再犯率，無期徒刑假釋出去的再犯率有多少？大法官在判之前，你們都沒有去瞭解，你們本來就應該去調查、去瞭解嘛！再犯的人都是犯什麼罪，對不對？為什麼犯5年以下的罪要關10年？為什麼不是關9年？不是關12年？不是關13年？為什麼要定10年？他說了算？是這樣嗎？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，因為大法官只是針對無期徒刑的部分，其他部分並不在這個解釋範圍。 |
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謝委員龍介：我剛才跟你說關10年，不是關9年或12年，就是無期徒刑啊！大法官星期五的時候這樣講的啊！為什麼是10年，不是8年、9年、13年、12年？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：大法官是說到底要怎麼去區別比例，是要由相關的單位去研議。 |
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謝委員龍介：大法官是這樣說，2年以內，好險他有講2年，不然這個違憲的部分，現在所有犯人都要放出去了。他跟你說2年內，如果要修法，司法院是不是要會銜到行政院，然後送來本院，是不是這樣？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，刑罰執行這部分可能是要法務部也依照大法官…… |
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謝委員龍介：當然啊！你們就是要會行政院來嘛！2年內嘛！是不是啦？ |
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黃副秘書長麟倫：跟委員報告，這部分可能並沒有會銜的問題吧！因為這個可能是…… |
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謝委員龍介：部長，不用修法嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：會啦！現在憲法法院…… |
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謝委員龍介：副秘書長，你這樣說不對耶！部長？ |
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蔡部長清祥：會啦！我們會尊重憲法法院現在做的判決，要修法的我們就來草擬，草擬我們也會請教司法院的意見。 |
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謝委員龍介：我還以為今天秘書長會來，態度不一樣耶！到現在還在那邊「抓鰻」，對不對？2年後到時候如果沒有呢？他如果不動呢？很多都是這樣耶！你地檢署要增加人，他現在就給你放著，包括高院他們也要追加人，順便叫你們幫他們揹小孩啊！部長，我請教你，剛才說判無期徒刑假釋的有多少人？ |
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蔡部長清祥：我請我們同仁查看看。 |
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謝委員龍介：假釋的這些人再犯都是犯什麼罪？要理解嘛！不然將來你要怎麼修？對不對？你們的這些統計，無期徒刑再犯被撤銷的比率，這個如果沒有統計，大法官這樣說就算數了，本席是不以為然啦！無期徒刑到底出去後再犯的是什麼罪？ |
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蔡部長清祥：有輕有重。 |
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謝委員龍介：這要有統計啊！不是都在講究科學？ |
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蔡部長清祥：有的，我會統計出來給委員看，包括他可能…… |
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謝委員龍介：再來，大法官上禮拜五的這個判決你知道嘛！瞭解嘛！ |
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蔡部長清祥：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：那你們修法的方向呢？你的立場呢？ |
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蔡部長清祥：當初我們在憲法法院，我們的主張是認為合憲，不應該要這樣做…… |
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謝委員龍介：他們就跟你說違憲…… |
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蔡部長清祥：這會侵害到立法院的職權。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以司法院…… |
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蔡部長清祥：但是他最後的判決是這樣…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒啦！他這樣，本院怎麼可以不講話呢？你要關多久，刑罰、刑度立法院都沒定，結果大法官自己定，可以這樣嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：他有叫我們檢討，然後來定啦！當然要送…… |
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謝委員龍介：他叫你們檢討再來定？ |
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蔡部長清祥：是，也是2年內讓我們…… |
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謝委員龍介：沒有，他寫得很清楚，5年以下關10年，5年至10年關幾年都寫得很清楚，大法官可以這樣嗎？你不覺得很艱苦嗎？你有感覺被他們強逼著嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：不要說的這麼嚴重啦！當然我們有表達我們的立場、我們的看法，至於採不採納，最後的決定當然我們是尊重嘛！ |
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謝委員龍介：我之前就跟你請教過你對死刑執行的立場，死刑的規定是在刑法，法務部本來就是刑法的主管機關，如果認為死刑違憲，那為什麼過去幾十年來都沒有修法？ |
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蔡部長清祥：所以法務部的立場就是說，法律規定要判死刑，確定之後要執行，我們就照法律的規定來做。 |
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謝委員龍介：你認為死刑是違憲還是合憲？ |
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蔡部長清祥：但是我們現在的立場就是依法執行。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以你認為是合憲？它沒有違憲，你才會去執行。 |
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蔡部長清祥：對。 |
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謝委員龍介：那這樣4月23日辯論的時候，我那天跟你請教說你要派誰去，那個人知道嗎？你要派去參與辯論的這個人，他本身知道嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：如果代表機關，當然我知道，是我們機關派的。 |
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謝委員龍介：他知道嗎？當事人知道嗎？要去的人知道嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：當然知道啊！ |
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謝委員龍介：他知道就對了，你們會強力捍衛你們的立場嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：當然我們要表達我們的立場跟我們的看法。 |
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謝委員龍介：合憲的看法？合憲的立場？ |
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蔡部長清祥：對。 |
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謝委員龍介：部長，今天是大家都在看。 |
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蔡部長清祥：是。 |
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謝委員龍介：所以你是反對廢除死刑？ |
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蔡部長清祥：未來怎麼樣…… |
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謝委員龍介：現在啦！目前。 |
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蔡部長清祥：現在我們當然依照法律的規定。 |
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謝委員龍介：有要再執行一個嗎？ |
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蔡部長清祥：那要看每一個案件的救濟程序…… |
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謝委員龍介：你說他們都在救濟，你們為了救濟就不用執行。 |
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蔡部長清祥：救濟程序結束後，法律上還有的話，當然該執行就執行。 |
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謝委員龍介：4月23日本席看你的表現，在憲法法庭。 |
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蔡部長清祥：4月23日是辯論而已，還沒判決。 |
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謝委員龍介：是喔！是喔！判不是你的權利，但是辯論是你應該要去努力的方向，看你用什麼精神捍衛臺灣的司法。 |
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蔡部長清祥：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝，請回。我們接下來請莊瑞雄委員。 |
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60 |
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委員會-11-1-36-7 |
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吳宗憲 |
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黃國昌 |
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沈發惠 |
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謝龍介 |
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莊瑞雄 |
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羅智強 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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陳俊宇 |
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傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
林思銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王鴻薇 |
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1 |
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2024-03-18 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署率所屬相關單位列席就「為維護偵查程序之順利
進行及真實發現，並兼顧人權維護，如何落實偵查不公開原則及相關流程缺失之檢討」進行專題
報告，並備質詢 |
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我請那個部長、副秘書長麻煩部長、副秘書長上台保證辛苦謝謝委員一張相片有人說很難解釋偵查不公開 |
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檢察官為了要破案：他也 譬如說 媒體 民意代表欸 謝龍介在議會有在說什麼話：他也請我去：希望可以遞到一些線索：所以我去的時候 群組表演嘛 我說要去：我們就公共的 把你問的我給你理解 |
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有的媒體是這樣嘛,你要問我的消息,你也要繞一些消息給我有時候在赤道,這有一個灰色地帶啦所以我們要靠機關,跟這個先辦人員,自律、自律很重要自律很重要,我的機關也要給你看一看相片對不對有的人覺得這是,機關的自律很重要,我要請教 |
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我們現在無期徒刑,身體應該要終身監禁有人報告,無期徒刑法定刑當然是宣判刑,但是實際上面會有那個假釋,執行過一段時間會有假釋嗎?沒有啦,就是法律的無期徒刑一定要過,無期徒刑不是他的狀況 |
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那是因為我們的法律．所以報告涉不是一定要過．無期徒刑．為什麼現在變成要給他10天25天後．10天25天後我們才給他報告涉．告涉期間我請問你．他可以再犯罪嗎 |
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法定人數不足 |
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上禮拜五,大法官是大恐龍嗎?你不覺得你輸了,他發官去我們不做恐龍,跟他們都有關嗎?啊?憑什麼,你以為他還要再犯,犯什麼罪,還要關幾宗?是大法官在等了你?你不覺得他有錢沒人幫他發官嗎?你不覺得這樣嗎? |
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跟委員報告 這樣啦齁 他說如果是判5宗 他也判4宗 反正還要再關10宗啦 他再犯的罪啦 啊如果有機倒行勒 我問你 有機倒行 加息啦 判20宗 關10宗加息處理 他如果再犯要關幾宗 |
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應該是舊村的慘刑嘛要放行的一份是二十八宗啦要關十四宗回去啦再翻啦 要回來關幾宗如果放二十八宗 還已經一份十四宗已經一份十四宗 存的當然是十幾宗嘛要回來關十四宗嘛 對不對啊無機都行啦 加息處理 |
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反三人破四檔了 還要回來關十檔了啊這個人 右膝倒行 加尺處理 反胸海破七個位 還要回來關十四檔了我說這樣有不對嗎 |
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現在有期徒刑,並沒有處理到有期徒刑的部分,他也是說是怎麼他無期徒刑這樣叫危險,如果這樣有期徒刑加涉處理,這裡為什麼不危險 |
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這是大法官委員報告這是大法官憲法的解釋權 |
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你解釋前,如果這樣分析又再修法律使用了,就是你被社會汙輪的挑起來了 |
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啊你白痴還在想一條立法委員想一條說武器奪行都不能加薪啊沒加薪就沒危險的問題啊嘛是不是這樣?現在所變要這樣嗎?因為那個事先不事先不是我們司法行政能夠能夠解能夠說明的啊就是這樣嘛就是沒加薪就沒危險啦嘛有加薪才有危險嘛但是我說現在的立場是這樣啊這樣看法啦對不對 |
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他還有去研究說無期徒刑啦齁他再犯多多少你知不知道有再犯你可能不知道我們司法院本身是沒通知的你不知道啊 保證你知不知道這部份應該是你的部份啦齁再犯如果無期徒刑加席處理的再犯多多少你剛才說應該你本來就是要去調查去了解嘛啊再犯的人都花什麼錢 |
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你覺得為什麼反五黨要關十黨為什麼不是關九黨不是關十二黨不是關十三黨為什麼關十黨他說了算是這樣嗎 |
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公文報告 因為大法官只是針對這個無期徒刑的部分那其他部分並不在這個解釋範圍我剛才在跟你說的 光是10年不是光9年10年12年就是無期徒刑啊大法官拜過我這樣說的啊為什麼是10年啊 不是8年、19年、13年、12年 |
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大法官是說那到底要怎麼去去的比例是要由那個相關的單位去...大法官說這樣啦齁兩年以內啦,好多年了他有說呢,兩年啊如果沒有你這個委員現在才所有都要放出來了呢他才說兩年啊齁兩年來啊啊如果這樣要修緩啦齁修緩他你是不是要費錢 |
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委員報告 因為這個刑罰執行這部分可能是要法務部也依照這個大法官的這個...委員報告 這部分可能並沒有會嫌的問題吧 因為這個可能是...欸 沒... 葡萄沒有修法嗎? |
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現在憲法法院...副秘書長,你這樣說不對!我們會尊重這個尊重憲法法院他現在做的判官,要修法我們就來抄你,抄你我們會再請教所有人的意見秘書長會來? |
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那太多沒人了 他們現在還在那裡罵 對不對 兩天後四九六八了 他們都這樣了很多都這樣了 你地檢署要請人家 他們現在把你放下了 包括他們的家人 他們還要追人啊 誰叫你給他們安心啊 |
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報告我請教你啦是現在剛才說判母機偷行 加起來有多少人我叫我們董林在炒啊加起來這些人就對了 在犯犯什麼罪嘛 對不對要理解嘛 要不然總來你要怎麼想 對不對你們這個託解就對了母機偷行 在犯去給人提銷的比率 |
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這若無統計,大法官這樣說這樣尊順,我本色是不依偎然啊。那麼無疑多刑,他到底處理還在犯的,都犯了什麼罪?有勤有動啦。不過這要有統計啊,不是都要鑑定可恨。我可以說統計出來給委員看,包括他可能...再來,就是說大法官在拜五這條你知道嘛,了解嘛。是。如果這樣你們想法的風雄欸。 |
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你會入場嗎當然當初我們在憲法法院我們的主張是領維合憲的啦不應該這樣做啦他就跟你說危險啦你聽到沒有請問就我們立法院的職權嘛所以你是法院領導啊對啊但是他還要破壞是這樣嘛沒有啦他這樣分移才可以不講話勒 |
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齁 你要乖乖的 行 行法 行道 日本人也沒頂 阿大一代我自己頂沒啦 叫我們 叫我們 檢討 阿來頂啦 齁 阿 當然 上 叫你們檢討 阿來頂 欸 也是兩年來 給我們 沒咧 他還很清楚咧 |
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五年以下關十年捏五年以下關幾年都關得很清楚捏但我關了三年你不覺得很難過?你有感覺被人嚇到嗎?嚇到就對了啦不要說那麼嚇張啦齁當然我們有表達我們的立場嘛我們的看法嘛啊採不採納當然最後的決定是我們尊重嘛我之前跟你請教過說你對私刑執行的立場啦齁就是說 |
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施行的規定是在刑法本來就是刑法的主觀機關如果因為施行而違憲如果這樣違什麼規定長時間幾十年都沒修法 |
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所以法務部的立場就是說法律規定要判施刑啊 決定了要進行我們就照法律的規定來做嘛啊你認為施刑是違憲還是合憲啊但是我們現在的立場就是違法進行嘛所以你認為他是合憲的嘛他沒有違憲你不可以去執行對啊啊如果這樣四月二三 |
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辯論的時候,我那天跟你請教說你要派什麼人去,那個人知道你要派去參與辯論這個人,他知道,本身的人知道啦那代表機關的當然我知道,是我們機關部派他知道?董事你不知道?要去的人知道?去的人當然也知道,這是我們的...他知道就對了,這樣你們才會...他捍衛你們的立場當然我們要表達我們的立場,跟我們的看法啦 |
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合憲的看法,合憲的立場?對,對不然你今天是大家都在看?是啊所以你是反被匯度施行?這是未來怎麼樣?現在啦,現在啦原來我當然照法律的規定啊要不要再執行一下?要不然那要看這個每個案件,他的救濟程序你說他都在救濟啊,你們說他有救濟就不用執行法律上還要有,當然要跟他執行就執行嘛 |
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