| IVOD_ID |
149952 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149952 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T09:43:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T09:52:03+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14550b3f67fe733a37fdca175ebfec29ccd35ab8b9884a7ff8ba9b0039caa7a6eaddc1a3b53412295ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:05 - 09:52:03 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月18日及20日二天一次會】） |
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王委員美惠：（9時43分）主席，謝謝。請部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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林部長右昌：委員早。 |
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王委員美惠：部長早。本席要先跟你探討的是剛剛提到的數位身分證問題，本席在上會期也有說出對資安的煩惱。據本席瞭解，馬英九總統時期就已經要做數位身分證，朝野都很願意一起來處理這個問題。為什麼到現在你們說要暫停？是什麼原因？部長回答一下。 |
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林部長右昌：最主要就是社會對資訊安全有更高的要求，因為以前推動數位身分證覺得是智慧國家的一個象徵，不過後來社會上有不同的聲音。剛剛有說後來立法院有兩個要求，第一個就是資安的專法，第二個就是要有專責單位來處理這件事。 |
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王委員美惠：本席請教你，在這個過程當中，難道你們不曾努力過嗎？在這個過程中，不要說什麼人接的，從林部長接到現在，這件事情你們有去努力過嗎？ |
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林部長右昌：因為負責的層級是行政院。 |
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王委員美惠：我知道。 |
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林部長右昌：我接的時候最主要就是處理怎麼把賠償金額降到越低越好。 |
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王委員美惠：你接的時候就已經要暫停了，沒辦法再走下去了？ |
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林部長右昌：是，我接的時候政策已經暫停了。 |
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王委員美惠：上會期我有說資安是最重要的，因為最近這幾年有一些資料外洩事件，有說是戶政的問題。本席要跟你請教的是，全臺灣、中央有什麼人有辦法成為戶政資料的第二個單位嗎？你回答一下。 |
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林部長右昌：委員是說第二…… |
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王委員美惠：有第二個單位有全臺灣所有的戶籍資料嗎？關於個資的問題。 |
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林部長右昌：第一個，戶役政系統是除了中央之外、全國連線；第二個，每一年中央有七十幾個機關跟單位…… |
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王委員美惠：都有？ |
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林部長右昌：會向內政部索要資料，他們會做其他的加值運用。 |
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王委員美惠：為什麼我會請教部長這個問題？因為長久以來，詐騙集團也好，投資詐騙也好，都是因為有個人資料，打電話也好，傳簡訊也好，包括本席的手機也收到訊息說：恭喜我，抽到可以貸款300萬，趕快來，1個月才幾百塊利息而已。到現在還有，你想想看他們怎麼會常常有我們的資料？再來第二點，不要說民意代表、立委或什麼人多大，你看最近恐嚇電話也好，郵件也好，你們的作為是什麼？說實在，讓社會亂七八糟，身為執政黨應該要把事情處理得愈少愈好。據剛才的報告與本席的瞭解，你看詐騙集團騙了多少，裡面提到被騙了四十、五十億。說實在的，剛剛聽部長報告提到，破案的有3萬6,000件，但百姓關心的是要如何把錢討回來比較重要。 |
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林部長右昌：委員說得很對！內政部的警察最主要是抓詐騙，但更重要的是源頭的管理。 |
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王委員美惠：對。 |
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林部長右昌：因為現在都是利用科技，都是無國界、無差別的攻擊。 |
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王委員美惠：警察也說要把科技提升，不論破案，還是要做什麼都可以更到位。結果本席所看到的及在地方所瞭解的，說實在的，在地方接受百姓陳情，有的是投資被騙了，有的是退休，想說投資一下，有人卻說不要貪心就好了，就不會被騙了。什麼人不想多少賺一點錢來增進生活？當知道是投資詐騙，你們卻說不要投資就好了，這是不負責任的說法。 |
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林部長右昌：我們的立場不是這樣，也不曾這樣講過。 |
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王委員美惠：你們的立場是什麼？ |
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林部長右昌：內政部的立場就是鼓勵民眾要報案，不要怕被詐騙會被笑，因為這就好像防止COVID-19一樣，你得武漢肺炎就要知道現在傳染的途徑是什麼，所以我們非常歡迎民眾反映出來，這樣才能保證其他人不受騙。 |
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王委員美惠：百姓被騙都有報案，報完之後的結果都是雖然破案了，但是錢沒辦法拿回來。 |
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林部長右昌：這部分去年已經改善了，第一就是銀行端就攔阻了，第二就是圈存，如果被詐騙，錢也匯出去了，我們可以在5分鐘之內，將匯出去的錢框住。 |
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王委員美惠：本席要跟你說的是，百姓來服務處陳情的是錢完全沒辦法討回來了，像你們說的，我們是要解決問題的，錢可以找回來是你們本來就要做的，只是面臨有沒討回來的要怎麼去協助他們，這比較重要啦！ |
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林部長右昌：是，我跟你報告…… |
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王委員美惠：我如果要聽你說錢會討回來，我今天不用站在這裡跟你說了！ |
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林部長右昌：委員…… |
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王委員美惠：是要討論怎麼樣可以讓效果更好！ |
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林部長右昌：委員，我跟你報告，剛才說圈存，就是立即錢不會匯出去了，這樣子就可以確保；另外還有一個是抓到嫌疑犯之後需要一個司法偵辦的過程，那個最後是可以返回的。 |
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王委員美惠：部長，因為我的時間……你這個問題是否可以一個禮拜給我資料報告？ |
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林部長右昌：沒問題。 |
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王委員美惠：再來請國土署署長，趕快！ |
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林部長右昌：來，吳署長。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，本席在這裡要跟你說租金的問題，亂七八糟！已經補助人家，現在又說規格不符合，錢還要還你，你們的美意很好，他如果可以過，比如7月申請的可以過，就可以從1月補助到7月。本席在上個會期也說，開始辦理就是要從那時候開始起算，我知道你們很認真，但是在很認真當中遇到你們審核錯誤，一次這麼多錢還要叫人家退給你們，我覺得說實在的，這個審核機制要嚴格去處理！人家如果沒錢去租房子要三、四千塊，被你們追回來要三、四萬塊。本席的意思不是說不能追，只是你們審核的時候不要擾民啦！這部分你們要趕快做好，大家來都說，他們的錢都給房東了、都花掉了，要去哪裡拿這些錢回來賠啦，以上。 |
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主席（許委員宇甄代）：謝謝王美惠委員的質詢、謝謝部長。 |
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接下來請高金素梅召集委員質詢。 |
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主席,謝謝。我們請保定。好,有請部長 |
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主席 主席 主席 |
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已經要做新聞局的事務委員：因爲草野的內部也是很鼓勵大家都願意來做這個問題：是怎樣到現在的時候 有人說要暫停：是什麼原因：來 部長你回答一下 |
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我認為最主要是社會對資訊安全的事情有更高的要求因為以前你提到你的社會身份證 也是覺得這是智慧國家的一個象徵不過因為社會上有不一樣的原因 |
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在這個規定當中應該不去奴隸過 |
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委員因為這個展出是在行政院內 |
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我吃的時候最重要的就是你處理怎麼做這個我們要補充的經驗,讓它越來越好。那就是你吃的時候已經想說要暫停了啦。我吃的時候正確一定是暫停了。暫停嘛。在這裡我先要跟你說的就是說,暫停的當中,在會期我也有說,治安是最重要的,因為 |
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在最近這幾天的時候：有一些我們的主流：外社的時候：有說是你們護城的問題：在這裡面本身要替你提議的：就是說替你請教的：在我們全台灣中央有什麼人有發動：在你們護城的主流在地的單位沒有來 |
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你回答一下委員你說第二天的第二天的單位有所有全台灣的補正的資料有第二天的單位有這個資料沒有啦這是一個問題啦 |
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議員議員 |
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其他的一個加持的運用因為部長我是要怎麼來請教這個因為當局以來黨詐好、詐騙集團好、島主的騙好都是因為有資料、個人的資料、卡定位好、傳簡訊好包括本席現在的手機裡面 |
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還說中央議員聘請你可貸款三百萬．我今天來一個月及幾百塊我理性而已．到現在還要有喔．結果你如果想想看．我們的資料是如何經常有．再來第二點．別說民意代表留意什麼人多大．最近你看這樣窮閒．電話也好．郵政也好． |
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您的作為是什麼：給社會說實在亂吵吵啦!新委員會這件事：是應該要讓事情處理得越做越好：在剛才的報告：跟本社所了解：你看您的詐騙集團的：看配多少：在這兩天四五十月：您奉命的：說實在的署長： |
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你剛才提到部長說的說：有知道這三萬五千隻：三萬六千隻：有報：要寫是要如何：若質疑討回來還要緊 |
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委員你說得正確我們內政部警察最主要是這個騙人騙這個詐騙但是更重要的是源頭的管理就是說因為現在都是科技嘛都是無國界無差別的公職以前都說要如果科技用就好要如果保安或是要做什麼還能夠那麼大位結果每個社所看的每個地方所了解 |
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說實在,你若在街上接到白色來競爭．有些是投資去奉陪你,有些是退休．想說我們來投資一下．有些人說自己不要貪心就好了．就不會去奉陪你了．什麼人不想說我們多少錢賺一個錢．還強加我們的生活．我知道這是． |
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內政部的立法院就是國會的委員長埃特 |
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380.088 |
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阿不要怕說他這個好像被詐騙了然後被笑因為齁這個跟我們你放在COVID-19一樣你丟這個這個武漢肺炎丟這個肺炎這個你就要知道說現在傳染的途徑是什麼所以我們非常歡迎說民眾歡迎出來這樣才可以靠背說其他的人的必須答我對我本來就在這裡要說白色紅皮理論不 |
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昨年的時候這部分已經改善了。第一就是你銀行端就炸掉了。第二就是你圈存,就是說你如果可以叫詐騙集馬匯出去,我們可以在國分金裡面轉移國储的錢來幫他牽制。要跟你講這個就是說,白色鎖定金來付不出的。 |
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王美惠 王美惠 |
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國土委主席王美惠 |
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來 吳署長 署長在這 本來要說你們的租金這個問題 亂吵吵 跟補助人 跟補助人現在又說 你的規格不符合 你是要再向外 尤其你們的美意 最後會說 你如果可以過 你必須接過申請的 可以過 我可以有 以後補助到 |
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七月,我本社在中央會議也要說,九月宣判就是要由那時候開始上去。我知道你們很認真,但又在很認真的當中,當中你們審核不對,一次判決,還要叫人退給你們。我覺得實在,審核這個機制,要趕快去處理。 |
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謝謝王美惠委員的質詢 謝謝部長 |