| IVOD_ID |
149881 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149881 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-14T11:05:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-14T11:17:36+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/38af2da376d23135ce6259f95e2f1cd8d1f4736135d62a1df8ba9b0039caa7a64034e7fd9a14e5935ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:43 - 11:17:36 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長邱國正報告「面對中共常態化對我侵擾與威脅之影響與應處作為」，併請國家安全局副局長、海洋委員會副主任委員列席，並備質詢。） |
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賴委員士葆：（11時5分）謝謝。主席、各位先進。有請國防部的邱部長，還有海巡署署長、海委會副主委。 |
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主席：請邱部長、海巡署署長還有海委會。 |
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邱部長國正：賴委員好。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官早。前面有委員問到，我還是要問這個問題，大陸3條漁船進到苗栗的6海里的領海裡面，這是不是已經進入我們的海域裡面？是不是？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：正確。 |
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賴委員士葆：如果按照邱國正部長上個禮拜在這裡講的實體越界，第一擊，打下去！怎麼都沒有呢？安安靜靜的？然後海巡的船派了1艘、2艘，風浪太大就趕緊回來，然後雷達監控，萬一他們是真的有另外的企圖，我們怎麼辦？所以關於這個事情，邱部長，我請教你，你這個第一擊說後面有很多討論，你的第一擊講得太快也講得太粗糙，因為事實上，後來你們相關的長官，包括國防部副部長在這裡，還有包括你講的第一擊，都說這裡面還有前提，還要經過什麼辨識，還要經過這個、還要經過那個，確定是非友善的才有第一擊，附帶條件很多，但是你那時候在這裡不是這樣子喔！是斬釘截鐵的說，實體越界，第一擊就打下去，這樣讓大家覺得第一擊之後馬上兩岸就開戰了，你要不要回答一下？ |
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邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，爭議訊息是怎麼出來的？就諸如此類，這就是一個爭議的訊息，我講的，我特別有補充，我講所謂的第一擊，你越界，但是這個之前一定有一個程序，所以後來第2天我們副部長做這個補充，他講得很周延，我還跟他講，我前面可能沒有像這樣講那麼清楚，他當然幫我補充。任何一樣事情，國軍第一個要考慮到慎戰，謹慎的慎，不要輕啟戰端，而委員說，硬起來、打了，我沒有這樣講喔！我們是講說要一步、一步來，但是假如說你到最後，為什麼我們應戰不避戰呢？那個避就是我要接應，經過警告，經過確認，你還是不聽，那我們最後就行使了，我就把你當作你的第一擊，我是行使我的反制、自衛權，清清楚楚，現在假使是咬著那句話，然後怎麼樣、怎麼樣，我實在沒有辦法，精準地講吧，我現在講得很精準。 |
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賴委員士葆：比較精準的講法就是…… |
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邱部長國正：但是有的時候往往會有委員也好，或者媒體也罷，咬到當初一句話就發揮。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們根據一定的SOP，只要確定對方來者不善，我們就第一擊。 |
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邱部長國正：我沒有認為哪個來者不善，一定要經過一個程序，比如說他走過來，我怎麼認定他來者不善？但是他有動作了，當然我要做一個反應，同樣道理，由個人到國家都如此，沒有貿然的來看，就是他過來就準備要打架了。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，你這樣講喔！剛才有人提到美國總統拜登用1億美金幫助我們，這個我們當然都歡迎，細節不講，但是他講了，因為選舉到了，他跟川普都一樣，都是拚命的反中，拿臺灣當籌碼，講一個難聽一點的話，把臺灣拿來撞中國大陸，還特別提到了，大陸如果犯臺，美國會保衛臺灣，我們當然歡迎啦！請問你這裡的「保衛臺灣」指的是什麼？有沒有包括出兵？有沒有？ |
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邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，很多人問我這個問題，我就跟他一再回應也是一樣，國軍任何一個演訓的想定，你去翻翻看有哪一篇是講一旦有外來的力量支援了，我們怎麼辦？沒有！所以自己的國家自己救，講了多少次？往往因為人家一句話，哇！就變成一個懷疑，懷疑我們，沒有什麼好懷疑的！ |
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賴委員士葆：我們沒有懷疑，我只是弄清楚而已，我沒有懷疑。 |
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邱部長國正：國軍的任務就是保護國家，不仰賴任何的外援。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有，我要請教你是大家要知道，因為國內相當多的人都認為只要臺海發生戰爭，美國一定出兵！ |
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邱部長國正：我沒有這樣講過。 |
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賴委員士葆：我就問你，你有沒有這樣想？ |
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邱部長國正：我也不這樣想。 |
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賴委員士葆：不這樣想？ |
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邱部長國正：人家要幹什麼，我怎麼能夠主導呢？ |
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賴委員士葆：那請問你，難道你不希望一開始打，美國來幫忙我們嗎？難道不會有這樣的期待嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，我們儘量避免作戰，但作戰一啓的話，任何一個對我們有利的幫助，我都樂見，但我們不指望…… |
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賴委員士葆：我再請教你，其實這個問題你也回答過，但是我要再確定一遍，為什麼這樣，等一下說。那就是過去的國防部長李傑說，我們單獨撐可以撐2個禮拜，他講的，等到美國來幫忙；然後嚴明，也是國防部長，他說1個月；然後是高華柱，他說最少1個禮拜以上；劉和謙前參謀總長，他說以2週為目標。請問我們的邱部長，你有沒有目標？最少要打到什麼時候，或者說不管怎麼樣，打到一兵一卒，一定要打到贏為止。 |
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邱部長國正：每個專家學者的立論一定有他的基礎。 |
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賴委員士葆：這是前任的國防部長。 |
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邱部長國正：一樣，大家都是專家學者，但我的界定很簡單，現在臺灣防衛作戰是個防衛作戰，而且已經到國土防衛階段，哪怕打到統統被殲滅了，五星旗假如沒有插到國防部，我跟你講，這個仗他白打了。所以我們要撐到什麼時候？你說他們怎麼樣我不知道，但我們只要有一個人在，所以我跟同仁講，我們一旦作戰了只有亡將沒有降軍，就是這個用意，就是一兵一卒嘛，打多久我也不知道，但是看他要打多久，奉陪嘛！還是那句話。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問你美軍在日本或哪裡附近，如果要來幫忙臺灣，最快多久時間到？ |
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邱部長國正：一樣，我也沒有指望。 |
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賴委員士葆：多久時間嘛？你應該知道。 |
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邱部長國正：因為我沒有指望，我就不算時間嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以你想都不想就對了？ |
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邱部長國正：我想都不想。 |
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賴委員士葆：不用！我們自己打！就是這個意思？ |
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邱部長國正：自己的國家，你還寄望別人嗎？幾點鐘了還沒來？萬一爽約了怎麼辦？又不是好像約了看電影！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以這樣的國防部長要繼續當啊！其他的國防部長都是2個禮拜，頂多1個月。 |
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邱部長國正：不、不、不…… |
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賴委員士葆：你的話就會一直打下去。 |
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邱部長國正：我跟委員報告，我剛剛已經講過了，任何一個專家學者，包括前輩，他們講話我沒有否定，他有他的立論，就是他當時思考的模式，我們難道打到海岸線就沒有了嗎？所以才有國土防衛城鎮作戰這個科目一直出來，好啦，又被人家誤解了，說把戰爭移到…… |
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賴委員士葆：沒有誤解、沒有誤解，我下一個簡單結論就是「邱國正：只要五星旗級沒有插到總統府，就一直打下去」。 |
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邱部長國正：我沒有講總統府，我講國防部。 |
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賴委員士葆：國防部在總統府隔壁而已啊！ |
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邱部長國正：不，這不一樣。國軍最後一兵一卒，這不是口號。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以總統府插了五星旗還是繼續打？ |
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邱部長國正：我沒講總統府，委員你講我沒有意見嘛！對不對？你又搞到我頭上來，說什麼「邱國正：」，我沒有這樣點法，不能這樣亂點啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：賴士葆詮釋不行嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：OK，好，我沒意見。 |
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賴委員士葆：我還沒有講完，你先不要下去喔！因為我問你的，你睡不著覺，結果變成，哇！這個討論幾天，聽說，這媒體說的喔，說高層對你很不爽，因此要把你換掉，真的嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：哪位高層我不知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：媒體寫的。 |
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邱部長國正：要不要換掉，我也不知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：媒體在後面，都在後面。 |
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邱部長國正：哪位高層講出來，對不對？那我再講有沒有，說高層很介意，高層有多層呢！剛剛也有人在問嘛。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問你，520之後你被換掉，你會不會很不爽？ |
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邱部長國正：有什麼不爽呢？政務官去、留沒有任何考量。 |
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賴委員士葆：難道你沒有企圖心想要繼續做嗎？為了中華民國。 |
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邱部長國正：我沒有企圖心，我已經跟同仁講得很清楚，我不是三頭六臂，我要把國軍造成一個怎麼樣的地位，但我要維持國軍平穩，讓他們執行平穩，一切順暢。 |
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賴委員士葆：萬一你離開、萬一520你被換掉了，你有沒有一絲絲的遺憾哪件事情沒有做完就離開？會不會？有沒有？ |
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邱部長國正：不會，因為政策有延續性嘛，我沒做完的後面還是一樣做嘛！ |
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賴委員士葆：所以不會覺得委屈？ |
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邱部長國正：不會，不會委屈！ |
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賴委員士葆：我應該替你委屈啦！而且我覺得我很罪惡感，因為我問了，你說你睡不著覺，結果你被換掉。 |
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邱部長國正：沒有、沒有，不會。 |
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賴委員士葆：沒有這回事啦？所以不要怪我？ |
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邱部長國正：我剛剛有跟記者講，我們國軍有一個責任的概念，就是每個當主官的時候…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你萬一被換掉…… |
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邱部長國正：頭上像有一個緊箍一樣，事情做不好頭會痛的！ |
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賴委員士葆：來，最後一點，我跟你講一個東西，這個叫國際危機組織，這個組織發表了一篇落落長的言論，是關於金門事件的，它寫到：U.S. and China continued talks to manage competition！我們的海域為什麼要這兩大國在那裡continued talk？為什麼他們要繼續談？這個東西我不知道國防部長你看了會不會生氣？我看了都很生氣啊！ |
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邱部長國正：我沒有什麼好生氣，這個東西我也覺得很奇怪，就跟委員一樣，我也覺得這個東西很奇怪，我沒有什麼生氣不生氣，就是不瞭解，我沒有什麼好氣不氣的，我們國家環境就是如此，但我們做好我們本務工作，這有什麼好氣的？ |
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賴委員士葆：不、不、不，我覺得我們中華民國主權獨立國家，為什麼我們家裡的事情要這兩大國……現在外界都講中國大陸跟美國共管臺灣海域、共管臺灣，這句話你同意嗎？ |
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邱部長國正：各種言論紛紛擾擾。 |
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賴委員士葆：同意不同意？我問你。 |
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邱部長國正：我怎麼會同意呢？ |
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賴委員士葆：不能同意啊！我們自己的海域自己管，自己的國家自己管，不是他們兩個人…… |
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邱部長國正：任何人都不會同意的。 |
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賴委員士葆：常常中國大陸跟美國講什麼來決定臺灣，我個人不接受，我們要大聲一點，真的要捍衛臺灣，愛臺灣就是要這樣啦！不是說美國跟中國大陸講的，現在看起來就是這個味道，國際海域、什麼海域，臺灣的命運都他們兩個在決定，哪有這種事？沒有這回事！部長要硬起來！ |
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主席：好，謝謝。 |
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邱部長國正：國軍硬起來是不發聲音的，沒有聲音的。 |
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主席：謝謝。我們現在先休息5分鐘，待會兒繼續開會。 |
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休息（11時17分） |
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繼續開會（11時23時） |
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主席：我們開始開會。 |
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接下來請羅智強委員上台發言。 |
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332 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-1-35-6 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
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羅美玲 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國防部的邱部長還有海巡署的這個署長邱部長還有海巡署長還有海委員兩位長官好這個前面委員問到我還是問這個問題 |
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大陸三條漁船進到苗栗的六里的領海裏面這是不是已經進入我們的海域裏面了?正是海域裏面,是不是?正確如果按照邱國正部長 |
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你在這裡上個禮拜吧,你講的實體越界第1集覆落了,怎麼都沒有了?然後呢,海巡的船派了一艘兩艘,風浪太大了,趕快回來,雷達監控萬一他們是針對有另外的企圖,我們怎麼辦?所以這個事情,邱部長我請教你 |
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你這個第一集說啊後面討論很多討論啊你就第一集啊講得太快第二個講得太粗糙因為事實上後來你們的你們相關的長官包括國防部副部長在這裡 |
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還有誰?還有包括你講的第1集都說我這裡面還有前提喔還要經過什麼病史啊還要經過這個還要經過那個確定是這個非友善的才有第1集我互帶條件很長但是你那時候在這裡不是這樣子喔斬釘截鐵實體越界第1集扁下去這樣讓大家覺得說唉唷這樣是不是 |
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國防委員報告,爭議的訊息怎麼出來的,就諸如此類,這就一個爭議的訊息我講的,我特別有補充,講所謂第一集你越界,但這個之前一定有個程序 |
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所以後來第二天我們副部長做這個補充他講得很周延的我還開始說我前面可能沒有講那麼清楚他反而幫我補上任何一樣事情國軍第一個考到慎戰謹慎的慎不要輕啟戰端委員會講哎呀你好像真有IGA印起來拔了 |
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我沒有這樣講啊我們是講說要一步一步來但是呢假如說你到最後為什麼有個應戰不必戰啊那個必就我要接應你經過警告經過啊這個確認你還是不聽那我們最後行使的我就把你當做你的第一級我是行使我的反制自衛權清清楚楚那現在假如說你咬到一句話啊什麼樣的我實在沒有辦法 |
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我沒有認為哪個來者不善,一定經過一個程序,比如他走過來,我怎麼會認為他來者不善呢?當然他有動作了,那我當然要做一個反應了。 |
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所以同樣道理由個人到國家都如此沒有貿然的現在看了還過來準備要打架了你這樣講美國總統拜登剛才有人提到了提了1億美金幫助我們這個我們都歡迎細節不講但是他講了因為選舉到了他跟川普都一樣都是拼命的反中拿台灣當籌碼 |
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提到大陸若犯台,美國會保衛台灣。 |
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我跟委員報告很多人問我這個問題我就跟他一直在回應也是一樣國軍任何一個演訓他的這個想定你去翻翻看有哪一篇是講一旦有外來的力量這個資源了我們怎麼辦 |
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沒有,所以這些國家自己就講了多少次,我要為人家一句話,哇,就變成一個好懷疑,懷疑我們,沒有什麼好懷疑的。我沒有懷疑,我只是弄清楚而已,我沒有懷疑。我覺得保護國家,不會仰賴任何的外援。沒有,我要請教你是大家要知道,因為國內相當多的人會認為只要台海發生戰爭,美國一定出兵。我沒有這樣講過。我就問你。 |
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我跟委員報告我們盡量避免作戰但作戰 |
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我再請教你因為這問題你也回答過但是我要再確定一遍為什麼這樣等一下說 |
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這個過去的國防部長李捷說我們單獨撐可以撐兩個禮拜他講的等到美國來幫忙然後顏明也是當國防部長他說一個月然後呢這個高華樹他最少一個禮拜以上劉和謙前參謀總長他說以兩週為目標 |
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請問我們邱部長你有沒有目標說我最少要打到什麼或者說我不管為什麼打到一比一組一定要打到贏每個專家學者他的利潤也有他的基礎這是國防部長 前任國防部長我大概都有專家學者但我的界定很簡單現在台灣防衛作戰是個防衛作戰而且已經到國土防衛階段那防衛階段也是打到 |
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你通通哪怕被殲滅了你五星旗槍都沒有插到國防部我跟你講這仗他白打所以我們要撐什麼你如果說他我不知道但我只要有一個人在所以我跟同仁講我們一旦作戰了只有王將六強軍就這個用意就一兵一卒嘛打多久我也不知道但看他要打多久好請問你美軍在附近日本在哪裡附近如果要來幫忙台灣最快多久時間 |
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所以這樣的國防部長要繼續當啊? |
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其他的國防部長都是兩個禮拜,最多一個月,你的話就一直打下去了。我跟委員報告,我剛剛已經講過,任何一個專案學者,就算過往前輩,他們講話,我沒有否定喔,他有他的立任,他當時思考的是某個事。我現在想講的,一夜不再講,我難道就打到海岸線就沒有了吧? |
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所以才有國土防衛城鎮作戰這個科普一直出來簡單來講沒有誤解我下一個簡單結論就是邱國正點兩點只要五星旗沒有查到總統府一直打下去我講國防部 |
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我們不跟總統府在隔壁而已啊不不不這不一樣在隔壁而已啊在隔壁啊國軍啊國軍最後一兵一卒這不是口號所以總統府差五星旗繼續打我沒講總統府要講那個主委員你一講我沒有意見嘛對啊你就搞到我頭上來要敲這點點我沒有講點法不能這樣亂點的賴士葆全市幹沒啥理OK好我沒意見沒有沒有我沒講完你先不要下去喔 |
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因為我問你的你睡不著覺結果變成這個討論幾天聽說這媒體說的話說高層對你很不爽所以因此要把你換掉真的嗎哪位高層我不知道媒體寫的要不要換掉我也不知道媒體在後面都在後面高層都要講出來對不對都要講有沒有高層很芥蒂高層多層欸 |
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請問你,520之後你被換掉你會不會很不爽?有什麼不爽呢?政務官去留,沒有任何...難道你沒有企圖心想要繼續做中華民國?我已經跟同仁講得很清楚,我不是三頭六臂,我不要把國軍造成一個怎麼樣的地步,但我要維持國軍的平穩 |
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萬一你離開了萬一你被換掉你有沒有一絲絲的遺憾那件事情沒有做完就離開會不會 有沒有不會欸 因為這個政策它有延續性吧我沒做完後面才會一樣做嘛所以不會覺得委屈不會 不會委屈我原來聽你委屈啦 |
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而且我覺得我很罪惡感因為我問了你睡不著覺結果你被換掉沒有沒有不會沒有這回事啦我剛剛有跟記者講我們國際一個責任的概念就跟每個當主觀所見所以你如果萬一被換掉不能怪我事情做不好頭會痛的最後一點我跟你講一個東西這個叫國際危機組織 |
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這個組織發表一篇若若燈關於金門撞船﹚也不是撞船 金門那個事件的事情他寫一個US and China Continuous Talks to Management Competition我們的海域 |
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為什麼要這兩大國在那裡continue to talk為什麼他們要繼續談這個東西這個東西你看了我不知道國防部長你看了會不會生氣我看了都很生氣啊為什麼你們談這個東西我也覺得很奇怪這個東西我也覺得這個東西很奇怪我為什麼生氣不了解沒什麼好氣不氣的我們國家環境就如此但我們做好我們本務工作這有什麼好氣的 |
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我覺得我們中華民國主權獨立國家為什麼我們家裡的事情這兩大國好像他們現在外界都講啊中國大陸跟美國共管台灣海域共管台灣這句話你同意嗎各種言論紛紛擾擾同意不同意我怎麼會同意呢不能同意啊我們自己的海域自己管啦自己的國家自己管啦任何人都不會同意的 |
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這部長要硬起來 |
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賴士葆 |