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149877 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149877 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-5 |
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第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
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社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-14T11:02:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-14T11:08:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:46 |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:03 - 11:08:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【3月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時2分）主席、各位委員，有請部長。 |
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主席：請薛部長。 |
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薛部長富盛：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。今天特別要請環境部部長針對蘇花安計畫的環評，我們先看蘇花改，在民國97年11月10號行政院核定同意台9線蘇花改的可行性研究，到民國99年11月9號，2年就完成環境影響評估的審查。我們反觀蘇花安，我要特別跟部長講、跟環境部的同仁講，蘇花改的難度更高，都先做比較困難的蘇花改，相對來講蘇花安的難度是比較低的。我們看蘇花安這個計畫，行政院108年核定可行性研究，現在已經113年了，還沒有完成環評，這個是公路總局針對蘇花安的介紹，它是東澳到南澳、和平到和中、和仁到崇德這幾個路段，我們看公路總局的資料，108年12月20號核定可行性評估，現在要辦理，原來預計111年進入環評審查的程序，然後希望112年完成，這跟過去已經差很多了，108年就核定了，到現在還在做環評。我們看整個期程，比蘇花改難度更高的……這個反而拖這麼久。這個部分從108年12月20號可行性研究核定，然後交通部公路總局原來預估的是112年要完成環評，但是現在被卡關了，環評初審卡關。部長，你或是同仁是不是可以說明一下卡關的原因？ |
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薛部長富盛：我是不是請我們環保司的蔡司長來說明一下這個情況？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：請。 |
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蔡司長孟裕：跟委員報告，這個案子是去年11月21號交通部才把環評的書件送到環境部來，就如同剛剛在委員畫面上看到的，在2月20號我們進行了初審，初審裡面比較關切的大概主要有三個議題，第一個是沿線山崩地滑的這些評估還要再比較詳細地提出。第二個是所謂原住民部落的諮商，我們所瞭解，其中好像還有兩個部落原住民的諮商還沒有完成，這個部分公路局會去進行。第三個部分是這個路線裡面有經過太魯閣國家公園，所以有涉及到一些生態敏感區，這些深入的措施希望公路總局再來詳細的補充，大概是這三個主要問題。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我過去也質詢過前任的環保署署長，到底環評先還是原住民族部落諮商同意先，你們當時一直強調就是環評先，沒有什麼先後，所以這個部分有關部落諮商同意絕對要辦，但是因為這不涉及到你們的業務，所以環評階段不必去談這個，你們要告訴環評的委員，這是第一個。第二個，這個難度比蘇花改還簡單、還容易，結果拖那麼久，所以這個部分你們要設法說服。 |
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薛部長富盛：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不要說說服，是說明澄清清楚。我以前是老公務員，30年公務員，101年開始當立委，我就跟地球公民基金會談，他們以前都反對，我就告訴他，蘇花公路柔腸寸斷，一下雨，小小的雨就坍方。我說，這是你們害的，如果當初蘇花高速公路你們不卡的話，陳水扁時代本來要建蘇花高速公路，就是因為環保團體，我就舉什麼例子呢？就舉北迴鐵路，大颱風、大地震都沒有怎麼樣，這個才是真正的環保，所以這個部分要去說明清楚。 |
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薛部長富盛：好，鄭委員，我們來努力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：剛剛司長沒有提到，有的環評委員說高架，你就給他看，現在南迴公路都高架了，現在的科技都可以解決環境保護而且更環保，好不好？ |
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薛部長富盛：好，我們來努力。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。 |
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薛部長富盛：謝謝鄭委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
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接下來請陳冠廷委員。 |
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主席規委員有請部長請學部長部長好今天特別要請這個部長環境部針對蘇阿安計畫的環評 |
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我們先看這個速發改速發改這個在民國97年11月10號行政院合定同意台九縣速發改的可行性的研究民國99年11月9號兩年就完成的環境影響評估的審查兩年 |
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我們訪官蘇花安特別跟部長講 跟環境部的同仁講 |
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蘇花改他的難度更高他先做比較困難的蘇花改蘇花安是相對來講是他的難度是比較低的我們看這個蘇花安這個計畫行政院108年核定可行性研究108年現在已經113年還沒有完成環評 |
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這個是我們公路總局的一個針對舒華安他是東澳到南澳和平到和中和人到崇德這幾個路段好我們看這個公路總局的一個資料108年12月20號核定可行性評估現在辦理原來預計111年環評審查的程序 |
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所以一百一十一年然後希望一百一十二年完成就是跟過去已經是差很多了一零八就核定了到現在才還在做可行性的還在做環評所以這個部分我們看這個整個期程要跟蘇花安難度更高的反而拖這麼久 |
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所以這個部分從這個10812月20號可行性研究和定然後這個公務總局交通部原來預估的是112年要完成環評但是現在被卡關了環評出審這個卡關這個部長你是不是同仁可以說明一下卡關的原因 |
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好那鄭委員我是不是請我們這個環保司的蔡司長來說明一下整個情況 |
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跟委員報告這個案子是去年11月21號交通部才把環評的這個俗件送到環境部來去年是12月去年的11月那我們在就如同剛剛委員在畫面上看到了在2月20號我們進行了初審那初審裡面比較關切的大概三個主要有三個議題第一個是 |
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沿線的山崩地滑的這些的評估那還要再比較詳細的去提出第二個是原民所謂原住民部落的諮商我們所瞭解其中好像還有兩個部落那個原住民的諮商還沒有完成那這個部分那個公路局他會去進行那第三個部分是有關的這個過在這個路線裡面有經過泰魯閣國家公園 |
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那所以有涉及到一些生態的敏感區這一些所謂的深入的這一些的措施希望公路總局再來詳細的補充大概這三個主要問題 |
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有關我過去也質詢過前任的環保署署長到底環平先還是原住民族部落諮商同意先你們一直強調當時一直強調就是環平先沒有什麼先話所以這個部分有關部落諮商同意絕對要辦但是因為這不涉及到你們的業務所以 |
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華平這個階段不必去談這個所以你們要跟那個華平的委員要告訴他們這是第一個第二個這個難度比蘇花改還簡單還容易就拖那麼久所以這個部分你們要設法說服設法說服這些不是說說明說明清楚 |
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曾經哈我以前是老公務員哈30年公務員101年開始當立委地球公民基金會我就跟他們談他們以前都反對反對我就告訴他蘇花公路樓長寸斷一下雨小小的雨喔就攤方我說這是你們害的如果當初蘇花公路高速公路你們不卡的話 |
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成全日本時代本來要抒發公路喔高速公路喔抒發高速公路喔就是因為環評不然環保團體我就舉什麼例子呢就舉北回鐵路對不對北回鐵路大颱風大地震都沒有怎麼樣啊這個才是真正的環保啊 |
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所以這個部分要去說明清楚他自己講的那個剛剛那個司長沒有提到有的環評委員說那個因為那個高價高價你就給他看那個南回南回公務都高價啦現在對不對現在的科技都可以解決環境保護而且更能 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員 |