iVOD / 149670

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IVOD_ID 149670
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149670
日期 2024-03-11
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-1-15-5
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 1
會議資料.會次 5
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 內政委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2024-03-11T11:11:37+08:00
結束時間 2024-03-11T11:18:39+08:00
影片長度 00:07:02
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委員名稱 蘇清泉
委員發言時間 11:11:37 - 11:18:39
會議時間 2024-03-11T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議(事由:邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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gazette.blocks[0][0] 蘇委員清泉:(11時11分)謝謝主席,我要請主委。
gazette.blocks[1][0] 主席:好,請主委。
gazette.blocks[2][0] 李主任委員進勇:委員好。
gazette.blocks[3][0] 蘇委員清泉:主委,我終於等到了,等到我可以來問問你。
gazette.blocks[4][0] 李主任委員進勇:這是我的榮幸,謝謝委員指教。
gazette.blocks[5][0] 蘇委員清泉:這個防範選舉人重複投票或冒領選票的辦法是你們發布的,其中規定按指紋或者是手印,應該要有主任管理員、管理員或是監察人互簽,於「證明人蓋章」欄蓋章證明。我跟主委報告,我現在還在告你,我現在還在高雄高等法院在告你。
gazette.blocks[5][1] 請看下一張,這是我們2022年屏東的選舉,當時有很多委員幫我講話,但這個不是針對個人,我是在對我們整個中選會。你一再地講這是小瑕疵,各位看到很多都是蓋手印,有的一張可以蓋二十幾個,都是蓋手印,後面都無人核章。我告訴各位委員,你要小心喔,將來不管你是哪一黨哪一派的,你跑基層跑得要死,這個把你弄一弄,你就落選了,而且差距很小的時候,兩三下就落選了。有的投票所居然蓋手印的超過21%,主委,這個太誇張了啦。然後有的人拿一個印章蓋,領了2、30張,然後我們要去申請屏東全部711個投票所的,結果不准,然後我們就不得不請了14位律師去調閱印領清冊,查了711本的印領清冊,裡面出問題的有147個,所以這個你們看得下去嗎?
gazette.blocks[5][2] 還有,再看最後一頁,投票箱裡面有跟選票一模一樣的空白紙,就跟選票一樣喔,縣長的是黃色的,就是黃色的空白紙,這樣也可以在裡面算作選票。然後有的是縣長的部分,像萬巒鄉的,縣長的部分有蓋章,但是不給他選票,沒有領到選票的也有。再來更糟糕的是,我們各個鄉的投票所要報到鄉、鎮,然後再報到屏東選委會,然後再轉到我們中央選委會,那個電腦來來去去,一般是報上去然後就check,OK就好了,結果有的投票所是報上去回來又改,又再報、再改,有的改到7次,我們都查出來了。
gazette.blocks[5][3] 我們中選會一再講這是小瑕疵,我跟你說,買票只要有1票就當選無效了,我們這樣初步查一查,二千四百九十幾票有問題,所以主席,你也有可能被人做掉耶!各位委員,你也有可能被人做掉,所以這是很糟糕的事情。中華民國臺灣省的選舉現在還有這種事情……
gazette.blocks[6][0] 李主任委員進勇:是不是可以讓我說明一下?
gazette.blocks[7][0] 蘇委員清泉:好,你講。
gazette.blocks[8][0] 李主任委員進勇:委員以參與選舉的候選人的身分,對於選務有一些抱怨,這個……
gazette.blocks[9][0] 蘇委員清泉:不是抱怨,是事實。
gazette.blocks[10][0] 李主任委員進勇:這個我們是可以理解的。所有的抱怨,委員剛剛所提的這些數據以及你所抱怨的這些行為的態樣,我想要經過兩關:第一關,就是我們自己要調查,我們自己要調查有沒有外界所質疑的,尤其是委員所指教的這些狀況,我們要檢討。第二個很重要的,最重要的是必須要經過法院的認定,這個案件已經進入司法程序了,原則上法院認定的事實會作為這個選舉是不是有效、沒有效,是不是有作弊、作票或者是單純的瑕疵的部分,我們都會檢討。
gazette.blocks[11][0] 蘇委員清泉:那天的開票,有的投完票就把整個投票所關起來,鐵門拉下來在裡面整票,整完再把鐵門打開,然後再開始開票……
gazette.blocks[12][0] 李主任委員進勇:這個我們報告委員……具體的案子……
gazette.blocks[13][0] 蘇委員清泉:程序上我們是要先唱票、亮票然後再整票,你們是倒著幹。
gazette.blocks[14][0] 李主任委員進勇:具體的個案請委員提供給我們……
gazette.blocks[15][0] 蘇委員清泉:全世界都看到那個視頻……
gazette.blocks[16][0] 李主任委員進勇:我們都會用最負責的態度去進行調查。
gazette.blocks[17][0] 蘇委員清泉:沒有,我看你們就是吊兒郎當,就是沒有這個事情啊!
gazette.blocks[18][0] 李主任委員進勇:不不不,不可能,屏東這個案件……
gazette.blocks[19][0] 蘇委員清泉:開票開到一半,一停停1小時,再來又停40分鐘,他們都在「創啥」?在「創票」,在作票啦!
gazette.blocks[20][0] 李主任委員進勇:屏東這個案件我們是用最嚴謹的態度,因為不能夠因此去傷害到選舉的公正性,所以委員……
gazette.blocks[21][0] 蘇委員清泉:這個是太誇張了,這個真的,我們的賴總統,我們的陳行政院長,你們這樣看得下去,我真的是……
gazette.blocks[22][0] 李主任委員進勇:委員如果有具體的事例、案件的話,請你進一步的提供給我們,我們絕對用最負責的態度來進行調查。
gazette.blocks[23][0] 蘇委員清泉:我是沒有把在法院那個東西拿來秀給大家看,看了你真的會昏倒啦。
gazette.blocks[24][0] 李主任委員進勇:法院公開的資料,我們都會主動去瞭解跟檢討。
gazette.blocks[25][0] 蘇委員清泉:我要再講的是,我們要的LOG檔一直不給,就是你的電腦從鄉到縣市然後到中央,來來去去一直改一直改一直改,我們一直在請法院調,中選會就是不給,那裡面全都是貓膩啦!我感覺在屏東那邊當然是……
gazette.blocks[26][0] 李主任委員進勇:進入司法程序之後,所有證據的提供必須要由司法系統來發動,我們沒有不願提供啊!
gazette.blocks[27][0] 蘇委員清泉:我們現在還在高等法院,我們要一次調166個證人……
gazette.blocks[28][0] 李主任委員進勇:法院如果認為要調,他就會調啦。
gazette.blocks[29][0] 蘇委員清泉:法院就感覺……
gazette.blocks[30][0] 李主任委員進勇:法院又不是我們開的。
gazette.blocks[31][0] 蘇委員清泉:勞民傷財,程序的部分在屏東地檢署。我要跟你講的就是,不能再這樣亂搞啦!
gazette.blocks[32][0] 李主任委員進勇:不會啦,委員,你放心。
gazette.blocks[33][0] 蘇委員清泉:怎麼不會?就一直蓋、一直蓋領一堆,一個投票所二十幾percent是用蓋手印的。
gazette.blocks[34][0] 李主任委員進勇:這個需要進一步的確認啦,要進一步的確認。
gazette.blocks[35][0] 蘇委員清泉:真的是荒唐啦,荒唐到極點。你能力很強,你都問東答西,我實在佩服。以上。
gazette.blocks[36][0] 李主任委員進勇:沒有,我面對問題。我面對問題。謝謝委員。
gazette.blocks[37][0] 主席:謝謝蘇清泉委員的質詢。提醒中選會,我們蘇清泉委員所提出的,我們要積極的調查。謝謝。
gazette.blocks[37][1] 下一位請李坤城委員。
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gazette.agenda.meet_id 委員會-11-1-15-5
gazette.agenda.speakers[0] 吳琪銘
gazette.agenda.speakers[1] 張宏陸
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gazette.agenda.speakers[7] 黃捷
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gazette.agenda.speakers[9] 丁學忠
gazette.agenda.speakers[10] 鄭天財Sra Kacaw
gazette.agenda.speakers[11] 蘇清泉
gazette.agenda.speakers[12] 李坤城
gazette.agenda.speakers[13] 黃珊珊
gazette.agenda.speakers[14] 洪孟楷
gazette.agenda.speakers[15] 羅智強
gazette.agenda.speakers[16] 陳培瑜
gazette.agenda.speakers[17] 陳冠廷
gazette.agenda.speakers[18] 張啓楷
gazette.agenda.speakers[19] 楊瓊瓔
gazette.agenda.speakers[20] 黃國昌
gazette.agenda.speakers[21] 麥玉珍
gazette.agenda.speakers[22] 蘇巧慧
gazette.agenda.speakers[23] 王鴻薇
gazette.agenda.speakers[24] 林俊憲
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gazette.agenda.meet_name 立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄
gazette.agenda.content 邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況,並備質詢
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 中華民國、台灣省的選舉現在還有這種事情是不是可以讓我說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 第一關就是我們自己要調查
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 發言委員.蘇清泉發言委員.蘇清泉發言委員.蘇清泉發言委員.蘇清泉發言委員.蘇清泉
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 有投完票就把整個投票所關起來,鐵門拉下來,這裡面整票,整完,然後再把鐵門打開,然後再開著開票,然後我們先唱票,亮票,然後再整票,你們是倒著幹,全世界都看到那個視頻
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 我們都會用最負責的態度去進行調查
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 若有具體的事例案件請你進一步提供給我們我們絕對用最負責的態度來進行調查若有具體的事例案件請你進一步提供給我們我們絕對用最負責的態度來進行調查
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 我要再講的是我們要的Lockdown一直不給就是你的電腦從鄉到縣市然後到中央來來去去一直改一直改一直改我們一直在請法院調中選會就是不給那裡面都很貓膩
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