| IVOD_ID |
149667 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149667 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
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11 |
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| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-11T11:02:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-11T11:10:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
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gazette |
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https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9ce5e25ef4cf430011fe7c503e0b18b2ee83bb1dd0927c3df8ba9b0039caa7a626b757c7aa9b9ad15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:55 - 11:10:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月11日、13日及14日三天一次會】） |
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王委員世堅：（11時3分）謝謝主席，我請李主委。 |
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主席：請李主委。 |
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李主任委員鎂：委員好。 |
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王委員世堅：李主委，我看了你一整本報告，其實公平交易委員會是滿認真的，有實際在做很多事情，像你們對於多層次傳銷，這麼多年來，你們長期追蹤關注，也去處罰，確實有抑制他們一些不法的行為。 |
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但是我覺得還是有很多地方，比方像對於建商他們在銷售房屋這一個部分，運用不實的廣告欺騙消費者、利用資訊不對等、利用專業知識的不對等，這已經長期以來消費者都被這麼的欺負。最傷腦筋的是消費者在買房子，這可能是他一輩子的積蓄，好不容易才買那麼一戶房子，這不是買一包糖果、不是買一杯泡沫紅茶，如果這樣被矇騙，那個損失是非常龐大的。我認為你們在建商的查察跟處罰方面，我用幾個字形容──高舉輕放。比方說這幾個我蒐集到的案例，像青森悅、文心愛悅、星月雅築，這都你們查到的啊，還有大直匯、紐約時上。我舉例，文心愛悅50億的銷售額，50億，你們罰款150萬，其他像大直匯，10億的銷售額，你罰80萬；我覺得這些建商根本不痛不癢，也不當一回事，所以他們繼續矇混，也繼續欺騙消費者，用這種不實誇大的廣告，已經很清楚了。最主要是分區使用，明明是工業區，他也蓋住宅、商業區，他也蓋住宅，然後在他們廣告上面還打成溫馨的住宅、溫馨的套房，直接這樣的用語，大剌剌的。公平交易法第二十一條很清楚，因為不實廣告而影響交易決心者，這個當然要罰，不但要罰，而且要重罰，罰2,500萬元，而且不改善的話可以再處罰5,000萬元。 |
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李主委，罰2,500萬元喔！不改善再罰5,000萬元。我請問，一個50億銷售案的房子，可能3、5個月就賣完嗎？不是啊！你處罰他以後，他搞不好賣3個月、5個月、半年以上還在賣，用同樣的廣告又繼續賣，你們後續接著也不罰，不罰就任令他繼續蹂躪消費者。我們中山區大直最出名的大灣北段這個案子，大灣北段好多建商去那邊啃食，總共蓋了1,880戶，那個就是在所謂的特定商業區上面，不能蓋住宅，要蓋住宅可以，要由建商去變更地目，那要繳相當的回饋金，或者回饋條件給政府。但他不這麼做，建商便宜行事，1,880戶購買的市民朋友們長期以來受到後續市政府的追殺，要把他們罰款，連續罰以後還可以斷水斷電。李主委，人民有免於恐懼的自由，好不容易存了一大筆錢，畢生的積蓄，買一個小窩給全家人安心住養的地方，結果被建商這麼一搞，買到這種那麼大問題的住宅，每天惶惶不可終日，一下怕被建管處來查，一下怕接到都發局的罰單，一下又怕被斷水斷電。所以啊，公平交易委員會如果沒有適時在該處理的時候介入，就會任令這些惡劣囂張的建商一而再、再而三欺負我們的民眾、欺負消費者，這樣的情況一而再、再而三的發生。 |
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還有這十來年也都這樣，你看滿坑滿谷在電視上、公車廣告上、廣播節目上這種不實的藥品廣告，食藥署已經追蹤，而且還提出了十大違規食藥的廣告名單清冊。結果對於這些，公平交易委員會竟然怎麼說，你們也講了一個道理，你們說主管機關有去罰了，所以公平交易委員會就沒有介入，錯了！李主委，錯了！你本來就應該去裁罰，這跟它的主管機關有沒有裁罰它其實無關，它的主管機關多數也跟你們公平交易委員會一樣，怎麼樣呢？高舉輕放！高高舉起、輕輕放下，怎麼知道它輕輕放下？你看到它們這些違規的藥品廣告還在電視廣播媒體上、主流電視上侵害、戕害我們的視覺觀瞻，繼續欺騙消費者，這就是了啊！不是嗎？所以我希望你拿出公平交易法第二十一條重罰這些違規的廠商們，才有辦法遏止它們，好不好？ |
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李主任委員鎂：是，這些違反公平法的事業應該予以嚴處，這也是我們本來就應該要這麼處理的。 |
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王委員世堅：好，我下次還會繼續問你，看從今天開始以後，你重處了哪一些，好不好？好，謝謝主委，謝謝主席。 |
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主席：謝謝。登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。今天沒有委員提出書面質詢，如果有書面質詢及未及答復的部分，請相關單位於一週內以書面答復，並副知本會。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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王世堅委員王委員你下次可不可以做到委員席來因為那裡是記者席我會會沒注意到有委員在現場不好意思有有有你台北起來不是真咖啦我們這裡是真咖謝謝主席謝謝主席我請那個李主委來請李主委 |
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我看了你一整本報告其實公平交易委員會是蠻認真的有實際在做很多事情像你們對於多層次傳銷那這麼多年來你們長期的追蹤、關注那也去處罰我確實有意識他們一些不法的行為但是我覺得還是有很多地方你們比方說像對於 |
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這個建商啊他們在銷售房屋這一個部分利用不實的廣告欺騙那麼消費者那這利用這種資訊不對等利用專業知識的不對等那麼這已經長期以來啊消費者都被這麼的欺負 |
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最傷腦筋的是說這消費者在買房子這可能是他一輩子的積蓄好不容易才買那麼一戶房子這不是買一包糖果不是買一杯泡沫紅茶那如果這樣被騙了、矇騙了那麼那個損失是非常龐大的那我認為你們在建商的查查跟處罰方面我幾個字形容高舉輕放 |
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比如說這幾個我收集到的案例像這個所謂的青森院、文心愛樂、新樂雅筑這都你們查到的阿,大植物會、紐約時尚這一些阿我舉例啦文心愛樂 |
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五十億的銷售額五十億你們罰款一百五十萬其他你像說大慈惠十億的銷售額你罰八十萬所以我覺得這些建商根本啊 |
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不動不癢所以也不當一回事所以他們繼續謀混也繼續欺騙消費者用這種不實誇大像已經很清楚最主要是分區使用明明是工業區他也蓋住宅商業區他也蓋住宅 |
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然後在他們廣告上面還打成溫馨的住宅、溫馨的套房直接這樣的用語耶 這大剌剌的公平交易法第21條很清楚不實廣告 因為不實廣告而影響交易決心則這個當然要罰 不但要罰而且重罰 |
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兩千五百萬元捏而且不改善的話可以再處罰五千萬元欸李主委罰兩千五百萬元喔不改善再罰五千萬元我請問吶一個五十億銷售案的房子可能說欸三五個月就要賣我嗎不是啊你處罰他以後他搞不好賣三個月五個月賣半年以上還在賣 |
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又同樣的廣告又繼續賣那你們後續接著也不乏不乏就任命他繼續蹂躪消費者我們中山區這個大直啊最出名的大灣北段這個案子 |
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大灣北段好多建商去那邊啃食總共蓋了1880戶他那個就是在所謂的特定商業區上面不能蓋住宅那要蓋住宅可以那麼由建商去變更地目那個要繳相當的回饋金或者回饋條件給政府他不這麼做建商便移形式1880戶 |
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的購買的市民朋友們長期以來受到後續市政府的追蹤追殺啦要把他們罰款啦連續罰以後還可以斷水斷電李主委人民有免於恐懼的自由好不容易存了一大筆錢畢生的積蓄買一個小窩給全家人安心來 |
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所以啊： |
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公平交易委員會如果沒有事實的在該處理的時候介入那就會任命這些惡劣囂張的建商一而再再而三欺負我們的民眾欺負消費者 |
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這樣的情況一而再再而三的發生還有最近其實這10來年來也都這樣你看滿坑滿谷電視上公車廣告上廣播節目上這種不實的藥品廣告食藥署已經追蹤而且還提出了十大違規 |
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393.898 |
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實要的廣告單的清澈．廣告名單清澈．結果這一些啊．我們公平交易委員會竟然怎麼說．他說你們要講一個道理．你說這個主管機關啊．他們有去罰了．所以公平交易委員會就沒有介入．錯了李主委 錯了． |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
396.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
409.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
你本來就應該去裁罰這跟他的主管機關有沒有裁罰他其實無關他的主管機關啊多數也跟你們公平交易委員會一樣怎麼樣勒高舉輕放高高舉起啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
415.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
417.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
這就是了啊,不是嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
417.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
417.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
438.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
462.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
所以我希望你拿出公平交易法第21條重罰這些違規的廠商們才有辦法遏止他們好不好那些違反公平法的這些事業應該予以嚴處我想這也是我們本來就應該要這麼處理好我下次還會繼續問你看從今天開始以後你重處了哪一些好不好好謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝 |