| IVOD_ID |
149435 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149435 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T14:18:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T14:27:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172f39812c68f18f5ac152d2a45619e6d6e6f8ba9b0039caa7a61027fd842694b5725ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:18:59 - 14:27:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（14時19分）主席、各位委員，有請部長。 |
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主席：請部長。 |
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王部長國材：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。等一下。 |
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主席：你慢慢來，沒關係。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。今天先跟部長談臺9線蘇花安的計畫。環境部在112年12月6號將環評的意見送給交通部，這個部分你們預計什麼時候可以再送修正的意見？ |
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王部長國材：5月，5月會再送。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：5月？是不是請交通部把環境部的意見提供給本席？ |
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陳局長文瑞：好，是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：可以？好。希望你們儘快再送還給環境部。 |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。花東鐵路雙軌化已經…… |
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王部長國材：施工中。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：110年4月8號核定…… |
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王部長國材：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：現在在進行中，進行中的過程，按照你們的報告有提到，現在你完工了一段嘛！萬榮到南平那一段完工。你們現在在施工的時候，有沒有考量到，是不是從花蓮往臺東、往知本，對不對？這樣的一個方向嘛！我的建議啦！因為這個時間很長，怎麼樣能夠從花蓮往南的一個情況之下，先完成了就雙軌了嘛！那樣的一個規劃。 |
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王部長國材：分段通車的意思，是嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對啊！對啊！就能夠往這個方向。 |
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王部長國材：現在是朝這方面沒錯，就是做完一段就會通。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對。這樣的話，就可以…… |
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王部長國材：會。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是如果是中間，譬如以現在來講，萬榮到南平那是中間…… |
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王部長國材：已經通了。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：以花蓮來講是中間。 |
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王部長國材：對。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：怎麼樣再從花蓮車站一路往南，這樣的方式就又不一樣了。譬如說到鳳林，假設花蓮到鳳林完成了，那就可以先雙…… |
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王部長國材：目前是這樣沒錯，我請局長再幫你補充。現在做完就是馬上增加容量，就通了這樣。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，你現在是萬榮到南平，但是南平到花蓮之間還沒有啊！那就很難去坐。 |
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王部長國材：希望能連是嗎？你說連起來這樣是嗎？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對。 |
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楊局長正君：因為到花蓮之間現在還涉及到…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我知道，那個高架，吉安高架。 |
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楊局長正君：對。 |
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王部長國材：那7個平交道比較不好處理。 |
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楊局長正君：因為配合高架的部分會最後，就是配合高架的部分，因為它期程相對會比較長。那其他部分，我們整個雙軌部分會分4個階段來做陸續的…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我知道，有關這個部分，你原來的一個規劃看看能不能做調整？就是說，這樣的進行就會比較……因為一定是要從臺北到花蓮，花蓮再往南嘛！所以這個部分你們盡量往這個方向。 |
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楊局長正君：是，我們再來檢討。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這是我們花東鐵路雙軌化的部分，剛有談到。我們接著談花東快，這個是去年10月19號的報導，花東快明年2月完成可行性評估，部長當初有這樣說嗎？ |
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王部長國材：是。花東快現在應該是8月吧？ |
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陳局長文瑞：對。跟委員報告，花東快花蓮的說明會辦完了，因為3月份在辦臺東的說明會，臺東說明會辦完以後，因為要蒐集大家的意見再做一些整理，所以預計是8月份我們會完成這個可…… |
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王部長國材：就是可行性報告完成，現在花蓮的說明會辦完，現在做臺東的說明會。結束以後會把意見加到我們可行性報告裡面，然後再來做環評跟下一階段的綜合評估。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我知道！ |
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王部長國材：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我的建議就是花東快的可行性評估要加快。 |
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王部長國材：8月。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：要加快！我們就講臺灣好了，以花東快跟其他的，我們就講蘇花公路或是北迴鐵路，或者是南迴鐵路，它的難度都還比較高啦！花東快的難度其實沒有那麼高，所以那個可行性評估要加快，當然那是一定要有的程序，沒辦法，但是能夠加快，好不好？ |
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王部長國材：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：以現在的速度是比較慢，後面才是比較重要，環評的部分比較重要啦！ |
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王部長國材：了解。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以這個部分能夠加快。 |
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好，我們先看這個，請杜微董事長。 |
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主席：請臺鐵杜董事長。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我要談的是臺北市、新北市、桃園、臺中、臺南、高雄、宜蘭、新竹、苗栗、彰化，地方政府的敬老卡，原住民都降低55歲，但是他們去買火車票的時候，就沒有辦法用那個敬老卡。他一看是原住民，「拿身分證出來」！這樣不一致，全國不一致。尤其是北部，坐捷運OK，坐公車OK，然後去坐臺鐵的區間車就不OK，每次就說中央的法律還沒改。其實我們看鐵路運送規則第九條，「法定優待票」，它就要講「法定優待票」。地方政府的敬老卡也是法定啊！他也是定了他的……因為法定，並沒有講法律啦！「法定優待票」，所以有空間啊！比較不一致，對不對？ |
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主席：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：常常會有這種情況嘛！坐公車，然後換區間車就不行，所以這個部分是有空間的。 |
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主席：好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以請交通部，尤其是我們董事長…… |
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主席：好。杜局長再跟鄭委員做說明。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個要一致啦！謝謝。 |
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主席：對，好，謝謝。鄭委員發言完畢。 |
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現在請牛煦庭委員發言。 |
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高金素梅 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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發言主席、各位委員、有請部長請部長部長好 |
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慢慢來沒關係好 |
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66.497 |
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今天先跟這個部長談這個蘇花庵台九縣蘇花庵的計畫這個環境部在112年12月6號將這個環境環評的意見送給這個交通部這個部分你們預計什麼時候可以再送 |
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花東鐵路雙軌化 |
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這個已經110年4月8日合定那現在在進行中這個進行中的一個過程按照你們的報告有提到整個現在你完工的一段嘛望榮到南平那一段完工 |
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161.71 |
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你們現在施工的時候有沒有考量到是不是從花蓮往台東往資本這樣的一個方向我的建議因為這個時間很長怎麼樣能夠從花蓮到往南的一個情況之下先完成的就可以就雙軌了那樣的一個規劃 |
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163.1 |
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163.5 |
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王國材列席報告 |
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目前是這樣沒錯,我請局長再幫你補充,現在第一在做完就是馬上增加容量就通了這樣 |
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對,但是如果你現在是望榮到南屏,但是南屏到花蓮之間還沒有啊,那就很難去做。希望來連是吧,你說連起來這樣是吧?對,對,對。到花蓮之間現在還涉及到……我知道那個高架,吉安高架。對,對,對。因為配合高架的部分會最後,就是配合高架的部分,因為它的期程相對會比較長。那其他部分我們整個這個雙軌部分會分4個階段來做陸續的調整。我知道。 |
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這個部分這個你原來的一個規劃看看能不能做調整就是說這樣的進行就會比較因為一定是要從臺北到花蓮花蓮再往南所以這個部分你們盡量往這個方向我們再來檢討這是這個我們花東鐵路雙軌化的部分那我們這個 |
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花東塊 花東塊 |
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明年2月 |
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完成可行性評估當初有這樣說嗎?花東快現在應該是8月因為花東快花蓮的說明會辦完了因為3月份在辦台東的說明會那台東說明會辦完以後因為要收集大家的意見再做一些整理所以預計是8月份我們會完成這個可行性報告完成現在花蓮的說明會辦完現在正 |
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做台東的說明會結束以後會把意見加到我們的可行性報告裡面然後往再來做環評跟下一階段的總結我知道我的建議就是說花東快的可行性評估要加快8月8月要加快因為我們就從我們就講台台灣好了台灣 |
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以花東快跟這個蘇花我們就講蘇花公路或是說台北回鐵路或者是說這個南回鐵路 |
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好 |
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我們先看這個就請那個杜董事長杜董事長我在談的是臺北臺北市、新北市、桃園、臺中、臺南、高雄、宜蘭、新竹、苗栗、彰化地方政府的敬老卡原住民都降低55歲 |
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但是他們去買火車票的時候就沒有辦法用那個監牢卡還看是原住民拿身分證出來這樣不一致全國不一致尤其是北部做捷運OK做公車OK然後去坐七間車台鐵的七間車就不OK所以這個部分 |
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每次就是說中央的法律還沒改其實齁我們看這個鐵路運送規則第9條法定優待票他就講法定優待票地方政府的敬老卡也是法定啊他也是定了他的規則因為法定並沒有講法律啦法定優待票所以有空間啊 |
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474.315 |
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474.755 |
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謝謝政委員。發言完畢。 |