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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149393 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
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委員會 |
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交通委員會 |
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第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T10:58:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T11:09:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:47 |
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| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:58:08 - 11:09:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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林委員俊憲：（10時58分）謝謝主席，本席要請交通部王部長。 |
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主席：請王部長。 |
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林委員俊憲：還有公總。 |
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主席：好，公總陳局長。 |
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王部長國材：林委員好。 |
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林委員俊憲：部長好。部長，你知不知道發生在我們臺南市安南區有4家貨運公司，就是車行，車行把他們靠行的車子拿去貸款，就是拿去冒貸，共兩百多部車子，每一台車子都至少貸款了三百多萬，所以車行大概一共貸走超過1億，然後捐款逃走了。現在這些車主非常可憐，也非常緊張，你也知道貨車車主都必須靠行，你曉得吧？ |
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王部長國材：我知道。 |
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林委員俊憲：因為要成立貨運公司的門檻非常高，等於是我們政策逼這些車主不得不靠行，因為設立一家貨運公司的資本額大概6,000萬，而且還要有幾十部的車子才有資格成立一個車行。 |
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王部長國材：瞭解。 |
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林委員俊憲：現在這些車主去靠行，車行把車子拿去冒貸，更慘的是，這不是第一次，2018年就發生，所以當時我們幾位委員就有提案，現在車子在你車行裡面你拿去貸款，政府應該要有一定的節制，也就是說你必須要讓車主知道。部長，你看到當時的提案沒有？當時就發生過這個案例，立委也提案請交通部公總這邊要有這種交易預告登記的精神，結果又再次發生這樣的慘劇。部長，你知不知道這種事情？來！誰可以回答？ |
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王部長國材：我請局長來說明。 |
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陳局長文瑞：跟委員報告，我們有掌握，臺南這4家公司貸款的車輛現在確實是86輛，有兩個部分，第一個部分，先對於靠行車…… |
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林委員俊憲：234輛，這次是八十幾輛，貸款是一億多嘛。 |
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陳局長文瑞：對，貸款車輛現在掌握是…… |
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林委員俊憲：我講的2018年那個案例是234輛，貸走了五億多嘛！ |
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陳局長文瑞：是，跟委員報告，2018年那時候大概…… |
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林委員俊憲：你先回答，如果制度不改，這種事情會不會再發生？ |
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陳局長文瑞：制度要再檢討。 |
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林委員俊憲：你要怎麼改？ |
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陳局長文瑞：跟委員報告，上次的時候，制度檢討是因為…… |
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林委員俊憲：2018年發生過，為什麼這次會再發生？因為2018年以後你那個SOP根本沒有落實、沒有調整。部長，你看一下，2018年發生的案子，然後我們在交通委員會提案，因為車行要去貸款必須做動產的擔保設定，所以就必須向監理機關來辦理，然後公總的調整是監理所再把資料轉給當地的公會，公會再聯絡車輛所有人，這當中只要一個環節出了錯誤就出事了，現在就出事了。 |
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陳局長文瑞：是，是，是。 |
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林委員俊憲：現在臺南這個案子出事在什麼地方？ |
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陳局長文瑞：應該就是說轉知公會以後，公會…… |
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林委員俊憲：你要推給公會？ |
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陳局長文瑞：不是，當然公會跟我們之間的聯繫，我們沒有掌握到靠行車主的確實資料，所以我這邊自己也檢討了，第一個部分當然就是因為我們要double check，就是公會這邊確認。第二個就是現在靠行的車主跟這一個公司簽訂私契約的時候，我們這邊做個註記。 |
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林委員俊憲：我跟你說，你這個不改，會再發生。 |
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陳局長文瑞：是，是，是。 |
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林委員俊憲：因為動產擔保設定到監理站辦完，監理站的責任多輕鬆啊！轉知公會就沒事情了，照理說我們應該要跟車主說嘛，對不對？ |
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陳局長文瑞：對，對，對，跟委員報告…… |
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林委員俊憲：那以後可不可以改為直接聯繫車主？你要讓車主知道嘛！ |
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陳局長文瑞：要，所以就是…… |
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林委員俊憲：那你現在要不要改？ |
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陳局長文瑞：要，就是整個註記的部分，也就是靠行的資料我們自己也要掌握，不要說完全就是跟…… |
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林委員俊憲：本席今天有臨時提案，我就是要求你要改這個，你要讓車主知道啦！要不然這樣的慘劇一定會再發生。你知道設立一家貨運公司的門檻有多高嗎？他必須要有2,500萬的資本額，要有20輛以上的全新貨車，所以幾乎一般車主都要靠行，政府的規定等於逼迫車主非靠行不可，那麼你就有責任去保護這些車主，而且動產擔保設定為什麼到監理站辦理？就是政府要有一個一定的監理機制嘛！不然何必要跟政府說？直接找銀行就好啦！就是擔心會發生這樣的弊案，2018年一次，現在又發生了，你現在給我查，2018年到現在這5年來一共發生多少次冒貸事件？ |
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陳局長文瑞：我再查相關的資料。 |
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林委員俊憲：不會中間隔5年，這中間不知道發生多少件，我跟你們要資料，你拿不出來，不敢給我嗎？趕快去把這個程序改掉。 |
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陳局長文瑞：好。 |
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林委員俊憲：不然以後不知道還有多少車子會受害！ |
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陳局長文瑞：是，好。 |
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林委員俊憲：請桃機公司。 |
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主席：桃機公司。 |
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林委員俊憲：桃機公司這次跑道工程造成班機延誤的事件也是一樣，2015年也發生過，2015年也是因為修跑道造成了空中大塞車，董事長知不知道這個事情？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：2015年的事情我不太曉得，不過這一次的過程當中，流量管制確實是在我們這個團隊…… |
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林委員俊憲：你們單位知道嘛！你要修跑道第一個一定要考量到班機起降會不會延誤，這是必要的考量，而且你還去考察。去年11月桃機公司還特地跑到日本大阪關西國際機場，去考察日本機場在跑道整建的時候如何不影響起降，把這個影響降到最低，是不是這樣？然後發現日本關西機場的作法非常好，他們是不停航的施工，運用臨時性的跑道邊燈，這是你們寫的，每天封閉跑道稍長的時間進行施工，然後再開放使用，一週不是每天進行，非連續日數進行。你們去日本考察回來還還寫了報告，結果你們考察回來，這次就造成了受影響的旅客不要說怨聲載道啦，其實更令人擔心的是飛航安全，因為我們法令規定飛機的油料要多載2個小時，是不是這樣？就是油料要容許飛航時間再多2小時，但是一般航空公司不會再載更多的航空油料，因為油很重又很貴，所以法令規定多2個小時的油料，飛機的油箱就是多放2小時的油料而已，像這樣在空中下不來，之前聽說還有盤旋4個小時的，以前發生過啦，這次最長的盤旋多久？ |
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何局長淑萍：報告委員，應該是沒有到10小時啦，roughly我有問過，一般機長來講，如果盤旋到1小時，有時候他會要求轉降，看機長，還有飛機上都會有航行的油料顯示，就是minimum到目的地的時間，其實機長會…… |
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林委員俊憲：最危險的就是這樣的狀況啦，是不是這樣？因為飛機多載的備用油料都不會很多，法令規定只有2個小時，因為航空油料又重又貴。那我請問，你們在施工以前，航空公司應該知道你們要施工，他們的班次也沒有減少，有沒有減少？照理講他要減少，我查了一下，發現航空公司都沒有減少，為什麼？現在機票很好賣，賺錢啦！兩邊都有責任。但是法令授權民航局，你可以要求他強制減班，你知不知道？因為機場在施工，根本沒有辦法容納一個小時60個班次的起降，航空公司沒有一家減班，你會不知道嗎？航空公司為了賺錢，這也不對啦！是不是這樣？現在機票都用搶的，機票那麼好賣，就大家都不減班，硬賣！結果飛機下不來，還好這次沒有發生安全性的問題。重點是你們還出國去考察，為了要施工還特地去國外考察人家跑道施工怎麼做，跑去日本大阪關西機場，回來寫個報告，在做什麼？ |
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董事長，你是一個工程專家。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：謝謝委員。 |
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林委員俊憲：請你接桃機公司就是看重你在工程方面的專才嘛。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：所以經過這次的教訓以後，我們已經開始在做全盤的檢討，未來的操作方式我們會重新更新，把現在所談到的相關問題都納入，包括航管、航空公司，還有對旅客的事先訊息發布，我們都需要重新 |
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林委員俊憲：對，你修跑道，你現在都是在你們自己官網公布，都只有內部看得到，旅客看不到，我覺得以後像這種重大施工可能會影響到飛航班次時間的，你應該要放在公開網站，讓一般旅客也知道，你現在公布的網站，我們一般人是看不到的。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：這個要特別發布新聞。 |
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林委員俊憲：甚至應該要公開發布新聞。 |
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楊董事長偉甫：是。 |
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林委員俊憲：所以你們好好的檢討，這種事情不要再發生了，好不好？ |
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楊董事長偉甫：是。 |
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林委員俊憲：好，謝謝部長，謝謝董事長。 |
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主席：林俊憲委員發言完畢，有關於林俊憲委員針對大貨車司機權益保障的臨時提案，請交通部相關單位趕快跟林委員進行文字的修正。 |
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接下來我們請魯明哲委員發言。 |
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邀請交通部部長王國材列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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部長好部長你知不知道發生在我們台南市安南區有4家貨運公司車行那車行把他們的車子銬行的車子拿去貸款就是拿去冒貸200多部車子每一台車子都至少貸款了300多萬所以 |
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車行一共帶走了大概超過1億然後捲款逃走了那現在這些車主啊非常可憐也非常緊張那你也知道貨車的車主都必須靠行你你曉得吧因為我們要成立貨運公司的門檻非常高等於是我們政策啊逼這些車主啊不得不靠行 |
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因為你設立一家貨運公司資本額大概要6千萬而且你還要有幾十部的車子你才有資格成立一個車行那現在這些車主去靠行車行把車子拿去冒貸 |
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更慘的是這不是第一次啊你知道2018年就發生過部長你知道嗎2018年你們兩位都在交通部嘛2018年就發生所以當時啊我們幾位委員就有提案就是說你車行現在車主車子在你車行裡面你拿去貸款啊那政府應該要有一定的節制啊也就是說你必須要讓車主知道啊 |
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部長你看到當時的提案沒有當時就發生過這個案例那立委也提案請交通部公總這邊要有這種交易的預告登記的精神結果又發生再次發生這樣的一個慘劇部長你知不知道這個事情 |
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234輛． |
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對,這一次是80幾輛,貸款1億多嘛對,貸款車輛現在掌握住我講的2018年那個案例是234輛,帶走了5億多嘛 |
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對,跟委員報告2018年那時候你先回答如果你制度不改這種事情會不會再發生制度要再檢討你要怎麼改上次跟委員報告上次的時候制度檢討是因為說2018年發生過為什麼這次會再發生因為你2018年以後你那個SOP你根本沒有落實沒有調整部長你看看 |
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2018年發生的案子然後我們在交通委員會提案那工種就把它改成了因為車行你要去貸款你必須做動產的擔保設定所以就必須向監理機關來辦理然後呢工種的條件是監理所再把資料轉給當地的工會那工會再聯絡車主聯絡車上所有人 |
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這當中只要出了一個環節錯誤就出事了,現在就出事了,對不對?現在台南這個案子出事在什麼地方?應該是就是說工會,因為轉資工會以後,工會...你要推給工會齁? |
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我跟你說你這個不改會再發生是是是 |
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因為擔保設定到建立站辦完那建立站的責任多輕鬆啊轉資公會就好了就沒你的事情了 |
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今天有臨時提案,我就是要求你要改這個,你要讓車主知道 |
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要不然這樣的慘劇一定會再發生你知道設立一家貨運公司的門檻有多高嗎它必須要有2500萬的資本額要有20輛以上的全新貨車所以幾乎一般車主都是要靠航你政府的規定等於逼迫車主非靠航不可那麼其實你就有責任應該去保護這些車主而且當然 |
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擔保設定為什麼到監理站來就是你政府要有一個一定的監理機制嘛沒有必要你政府才跟你說要做什麼他就直接找他人就好了就是擔心會有發生這樣的弊啊你照常發生2018年也是現在又發生了你現在給我查2018年到現在這5年來一共發生多少次貿貸事件我再查相關的資料不會中間隔5年中間不知道發生多少件我跟你們要資料也拿不出來不敢給我 |
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趕快去把這個程序給改掉不然以後不知道還有多少車子會受害那我們請那個陶菊公司陶菊公司這次跑道工程造成搬機延誤的事件也是一樣因為2015年也發生過 |
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二零五年是因為修跑道而結果造成了空中大塞車董事長知不知道這個事情二零五年事情我不太曉得不過這一次的過程當中流量管制確實是在我們做團隊但你們單位知道嘛那你要修跑道第一個一定考量到就是班機起降會不會延誤這是必要一個考量而且你要去辦考察你知道嗎去年喔 |
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去年11月吧逃避公司還特地跑到日本大阪關西國際機場去考察日本機場在跑到整建的時候那如何不影響把這個影響降到最低啊是不是這樣然後啊發現日本關西機場的做法非常好 |
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他是不停航的施工他運用臨時性的跑道邊燈這你們寫的啦每天封閉跑道燒場的時間進行施工然後再開放使用那一周他不是每天進行非連續日數進行你考察日本回來還寫個報告吧你考察上你考察回來結果這次你看就造成了 |
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受影響的旅客不要說怨聲載道其實更擔心的是飛航安全因為我們法定規定飛機的油料要多載兩個小時是不是這樣子就你的油料多容許大概你飛航時間再多兩個小時再多再放更多的航空油料一般航空公司不會 |
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因為油很重又很貴,所以法令規定多2個小時的油量,它的油箱它就是稼空2小時而已。你像他這樣在空中下不來啊。之前還有,聽說還有盤旋4個小時的,以前發生過啦,以前發生過。那這次最長的盤旋多久? |
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應該是沒有到10小時一般機長來講大概盤旋我有問過大概如果盤旋到1小時有時候他會要求轉降看機長還有他那個飛機上其實他都會有航行的這個油料顯示就是說他的minima到附地的時間最危險的就是這樣狀況是不是這樣子因為他飛機所多載的備用油料都不會很多法定規定只有兩個小時 |
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因為航空優料又重又貴啦那我請問啦那你們在施工以前跟航空公司應該知道你們要施工他半次啊也沒有減少啦有沒有減少照理講他有減少他沒有減少我查一下航空公司沒有減少啦為什麼現在機票很好賣啦探緊啦 |
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兩邊都有責任但是法令授予民安局你可以要求他強制減班你知不知道因為我機場我在施工我根本沒有辦法容納一個小時60個班次起降那你航空公司沒有一家減班你會不知道嗎航空公司為了賺錢這個也不對啦是不是這樣現在機票都用搶的機票那麼好賣就 |
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總統,你是工程專家 |
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請你到街淘氣公司就是因為看中你在工程方面的專才嘛所以這一次我們經過這一次的教訓以後我們開始已經在做全門的檢討那未來的這個操作的方式呢我們會從重新的更新包括把現在所談到的這些相關問題都納進來包括航管包括航空公司還有包括對旅客的事先的讓是訊息發布的部分我們都需要重新對你的修跑道你現在的公佈都是在你們自己官網都內部看得到旅客看不到 |
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謝謝部長、謝謝董事長 |