| IVOD_ID |
149391 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149391 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T11:29:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T11:36:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/aa454a369d2b172f148fdb9dbd3c75468e47b20f39b04ac8f8ba9b0039caa7a6f7e81291b4dfc0de5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:23 - 11:36:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、3月6日及7日三天一次會】） |
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968 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時29分）謝謝主席，有請龔主委。 |
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主席：我們再請龔主委。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：主委你好。要不要先恭喜你要當部長了？經濟部長！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：報紙寫這麼大篇，相片這麼大。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：那不是真的。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是真的？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：不是真的。 |
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賴委員士葆：如果徵詢到你呢？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：勇於任事！是不是？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有啦、沒有啦！就沒有。 |
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賴委員士葆：還沒接到電話就對了？認真等吧！認真等電話。 |
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剛才莊委員也是一樣關心這個題目：少子化，我們今年度預算投入1,200億，對吧？去年是1,000億，結果我們的出生率還是越來越低，我們去年的人口出生數13萬，死亡20萬，臺灣真的進入一個「生不如死」的世界，小孩都不生、不結婚，現在1,200億，過去1,000億，效果都不佳，所以我就想到一個方法，講給你聽看看有沒有可能，鼓勵生第三胎，現金（cash）給100萬，可以嗎？請回答。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我覺得任何努力都可以來做思考，這個就是財源上…… |
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賴委員士葆：我告訴你，財源不是問題，幾千億都在花了，財源有什麼問題？我算給你聽，13萬出生人口，有三胎的算10%，所以是1.3萬，1.3萬乘以100萬，你跟我講要多少？130億啊！我們 afford得起，這1,200億裡面撥130億、150億鼓勵生第三胎，第三胎一定要生第一胎、第二胎，才再第三胎，不是直接跳第三胎，這麼好的政策。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：委員這個想法…… |
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賴委員士葆：要認真思考。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：少子化，要認真思考。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們會提到林政委的少子化對策平台。 |
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賴委員士葆：要提喔！好不好？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們會提、我們會提。 |
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賴委員士葆：立委在正式場合提的，我講一件事讓你聽，你知道我們民意代表常常跑這些紅白帖，人家結婚的時候，我就鼓勵新人要認真早生貴子、多生貴子，然後plus我就講這個政見，掌聲如雷耶！我就問：「有要生嗎？」他們都舉手，有的六十幾歲也舉手說要生，她說：「不是啦！我叫媳婦生啦、我叫我女兒生啦！」這個政策很受歡迎，你去基層跑看看，生第三胎給100萬，大家眼睛張很大且掌聲如雷，很好的政策，反正是好的政策嘛！我想誰來推動都一樣，沒有政黨意識。 |
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第二個，聽說而且看起來電價是漲定了，陳院長都說他怎麼想得到，神仙也不知道有烏克蘭戰爭，所以電價一定要漲，台電講說漲11%的話，CPI影響0.2%，看起來台電是往這個方向走，經濟部也往這個方向走，主委，你要不要講一下漲電價跟CPI之間有什麼影響？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：詳細的方案我不清楚啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：不是你主管的嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對，就過去的經驗，提升電價的確會對物價造成影響，這是對的，所以為什麼過去幾年我們對於漲電價的態度會稍微謹慎，因為過去幾年的物價上漲率比較高的，所以…… |
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賴委員士葆：不是啦！選舉以前不敢漲，選後偏偏要漲，這個東西我算一個帳，台電今年又虧2,000億，原來資本額3,300億，我們已經給它增加1,500億了，資本額4,800億，又要增加1,000億變成5,800的資本額，可是台電的核四按照相關的規定應該要報廢掉了，因為已經確定不啟核四了，當作破銅爛鐵拿去賣，也不知道賣誰，損失的2,800億現在是放在資產，如果把這資產要拿掉的話，台電是岌岌可危啊！一天到晚就是賠錢。最後一點，那個碳交易，你們也是股東，對不對？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在碳交易，這個很奇怪，國內廠商不能買，缺這個，因為現在國際都要這個東西，缺！我們的碳交易只能買國外的，好像casino一樣，你開個賭場，對實質上產業的減碳都沒有幫助。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：報告委員，第二階段就會，就是國內碳匯的供給就會出來。 |
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賴委員士葆：第二階段什麼時候開始？什麼時候？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：因為它現在還有四個子法，這四個子法完成以後就會開始。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼時候？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們是希望儘快啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：6月可以嗎？換新政府可以嗎？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：因為新的子法預告，現在通常預告就要60天了。 |
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賴委員士葆：60天，2個月而已啊！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：60天然後再做一些調整，可能都要到下半年。 |
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賴委員士葆：子法需要搞這麼久的時間喔？效率不是普通差。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：因為它要諮詢，因為它的利害關係人非常多，包括民間廠商還有一般群眾，還有等等一些廠商。 |
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賴委員士葆：你現在對全世界講，臺灣很注重淨零排放，所以我們有碳權交易，結果都是假的啊！因為只能對國外的碳權進行買賣，這就是一個casino賭場…… |
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龔主任委員明鑫：會有第二階段。 |
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賴委員士葆：籌碼就是碳權，這樣而已，這東西很滑稽啊、很滑稽啊！ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：我們會儘快，第二階段。 |
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賴委員士葆：給我時間表，可以嗎？把時間表講出來，我就下去。 |
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龔主任委員明鑫：沒有，就是說至少要到下半年，因為按照它的子法預告時間。 |
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賴委員士葆：下半年，什麼時候可以？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：今年度一定可以吧？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：理論上是可以。 |
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賴委員士葆：今年一定要，好不好？ |
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龔主任委員明鑫：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
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接下來我們請鍾佳濱委員詢答。 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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張嘉郡 |
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呂玉玲 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳超明 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請我們的公主委我們再請公主委賴委員好主委你好要不要先恭喜你要當部長是不是經濟部長沒有啦部長現在這大批相比這大個 |
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今天度預算投入一千兩百億 |
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去年是1000億結果我們的出生率還是越來越低我們去年的人口出生數13萬死掉的20萬臺灣真的進入一個生不如死的世界啊今天大家都不要生不結婚啊1200億過去1000億效果都不好所以 |
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我就想到一個方法了齁 這個 你看 講一下你本廳有沒有可能 鼓勵生第三胎現金Cash給一百萬 可以嗎 來請回答 可以嗎 |
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我覺得任何努力都可以來做思考我告訴你我們現在財運不是問題財運什麼是問題我造算給你13萬出生人口有三胎的我們10%10%所以1.3萬1.3萬、1百萬你跟我說嗎?多少啊?130億啊 |
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我們額外的企業我們一千兩百億裡面對不對博一百三十億、一百五十億鼓勵生第三胎第三胎一定要生第一胎、第二胎才在第三胎不是直接跳第三胎這這麼好的政策 |
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我們會提到林政委的這個少子化對策平台我們會提 |
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你知道民意代表常常跑這些紅白帖啊人家結婚的時候啊一結婚新人我就鼓勵他愛緊緊早生貴子多生貴子然後plus我就講這個證件吼掌聲如雷勒 |
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我就問了 啊 我要生嗎 打那麼舉手 有的60幾歲也說要舉 要生 你說不是啊 我叫我媳婦生啦 我叫我女兒生啦 這個政策很受歡迎啦 你去基層跑看看 生第三胎給一百萬 大家吼 就去做大女兒 掌聲如雷啊 很好的政策 這個反正是好的政策嘛 我想水來水到一樣 這沒有正常意思 第二個 |
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聽說而且看起來是電價是漲定了這個陳院長都說他怎麼想到神仙女不知道有有烏克蘭戰爭所以電一定要漲那台電講囉說漲11%的話就CPI影響到0.2%看起來台電是往這個方向走經濟部往這個方向走那個主委你要講一下嗎 |
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總電價跟CPI之間有什麼影響?講一下給我們聽。詳細的方案我不清楚啦齁,但是就過去的經驗提升電價的確會對物價造成影響,這是對的所以為什麼過去幾年我們對於檔間價態度是會稍微謹慎,因為過去幾年的物價 |
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上漲率是比較高的。 是啊。 那今年是降到? |
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三天以前不敢漲,選後就必須要漲,這個東西我算一個帳台電今年又要虧兩千億喔然後原來資本額三千三百億那我們已經給他增加一千五百億了資本額四千八又要增加一千億,五千八的資本額可是台電的核四按照相關的規定他應該要報廢掉了 |
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因為已經確定不起核四了嘛。阿你做海膽股先去買,不知道會不會上。所以這2800現在是放在資產。如果把這資產要拿掉的話,他一定是急急可危啊。就一天到晚就是,你瞭解你了。最後一點最後一點,那個碳交易喔。你們也是股東嘛,對不對?你們是股東嘛齁。現在碳交易喔,這個很奇怪勒。 |
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國內廠商不能買缺缺這個因為現在國際都要這個東西啊缺然後我們的碳交易只能買國外的好像casino一樣好像你開個賭場阿對實質上的產業減碳都沒有幫助欸第二階段就會就是國內的碳會的供給就會出來第二階段什麼時候開始阿因為他現在還有什麼時候開始什麼時候他還有四個執法這個四個執法完成以後阿就什麼時候問問問 |
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什麼時候?6月可以嗎?換新政府可以嗎?還60天兩個月而已啊!欸!這個執法需要搞這麼久的時間喔!這效率很高! |
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因為他的利害關係人非常多,包括民間廠商還有一般群眾現在的,你現在講說,哎呀,對於全世界講臺灣很注重這個進行排放所以我們有探權交易,結果都是假的啊因為只能對國外的探權進行買賣,就一個Casino就是一個賭場,還有賭的籌碼就是探權這東西很滑稽啊,這很滑稽啊 |
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謝謝! |