| IVOD_ID |
149260 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149260 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T11:59:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T12:12:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/ad9f873b941d2ddde194a43aeb6ca7924df0e2384efaf28bf8ba9b0039caa7a6c86df9d5e1265cba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:59:59 - 12:12:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案:翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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王委員美惠：（11時59分）請署長。 |
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主席：再請署長。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，從開始開會到現在，兇手就是你，大家都在罵管主委修改題目，我身為臺灣國會的議員，我們也認為應該要捍衛臺灣的主權，長期以來，其實大家都不願意看到這種事情發生，但是有關這個題目，其實你可以跟主席說，但為什麼你不跟主席說呢？他是不願意接受你說的？還是你根本就沒有跟他說？ |
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再來，剛才你所解釋的，說實話，我真的替海巡署感到可憐和無奈，雖然你口口聲聲的說要捍衛海巡署的弟兄，但是在這個過程裡，從2月14日到今天，海巡署每天都被罵，我實在是看不懂，大家來這裡是要捍衛臺灣？還是要捍衛中共？難道這不是中共的想法嗎？中共說什麼我們就附和它，以河洛話來說，以本席的認知，騎摩托車相撞和騎摩托車擦撞天差地遠，如果你們在做筆錄時說我不小心擦撞到和衝撞的罪責不同，所以我覺得你們這個單位應該要說清楚。為什麼你們會質疑不能講「衝撞」，而是要說「擦撞」？正常來說，衝撞是很惡劣的，我們常說要捍衛臺灣漁民的權益和臺灣的主權，但是長期以來，對於海巡署的執法，我們是怎麼在打擊他們的？再來，到目前為止，很多事情你們都說不能公開，那本席要問你，到目前為止你們是如何協調的？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：謝謝委員。剛剛你所講的我們都能夠體諒，你剛剛說了，我們就只是執法，這只是單一事件，今天這麼一個單一的執法事件，這也不是第一次發生，我們經常在海上處理這樣的事情，不管是陸方或是我方的漁網糾紛，我們海巡過去之後、上去之後，如果是臺方漁民的錯誤，我們就會協調臺方漁民賠償陸方漁民，因為你弄到他的漁網。如果是陸方漁民弄到我們臺方漁民的漁網，我們就會做公親事主來和他們協調，事情處理完後，雙方都會有適當的賠償，這個責任是可以釐清的，在這種狀況下，為什麼我會說我們的協同執法執行了一、二十年是非常有效的？ |
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王委員美惠：署長，為什麼這次這麼嚴重？因為這次有人死亡，我相信臺灣和中共都不願意看到這種事情發生。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：對，沒錯，我們都不希望發生這種事情。 |
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王委員美惠：所以要找出問題來看要怎麼解決才對，對不對？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：對。 |
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王委員美惠：雖然他們常常欺負我們，但是我們仍然認為它是我們的朋友，我相信我們也不願意看到這種事情發生。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：沒錯，我們都不願意看到這樣的憾事發生，但是我們的專案小組已經到金門談了這麼多天，2月15日我們的專案小組長就帶著調查組…… |
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王委員美惠：已經談這麼久了。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：2月15日我們就已經在進行，他們是2月20日才來。 |
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王委員美惠：署長，我再請教你一下，到目前為止，中共有沒有要求海巡署的人要過去接受他們的調查？有沒有？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：這個我恰不恰當講出來？因為我們要保持兩岸之間的…… |
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主席：委員質詢，你是不是應該回答一下？ |
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王委員美惠：我認為，該保密的時候…… |
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周副主任委員美伍：我必須要跟委員報告，我們的協議是雙方之間的會談內容…… |
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王委員美惠：不公開？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：不要公開，對。 |
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王委員美惠：好，署長，如果不能公開，說實話，本席會質疑這一點應該是多少有這種可能，只是你們要如何捍衛臺灣？不是他們要求你們就要這麼處理，本席站在這裡是要捍衛臺灣的主權，事情發生時我們該如何處理？不管誰對誰錯，畢竟已經有2個人死亡，所以我們就應該要釐清真相，不然外界都說是因為民進黨執政所以才會故意不救人，說實話，要趕快釐清事實，不要讓百姓覺得就是因為民進黨對中共不友善，所以才不救他們。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：王委員，你可不可以先讓我回答？ |
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王委員美惠：好，來。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：第一點，對於這整起事情，陸方一直要求要有真相，我們也在追求一個真相，所以我們說要請我們的司法來調查出真相，如果究責時我們有責任，我們絕對不會規避。 |
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王委員美惠：但是署長，你剛才有說那艘船目前的狀況，以一般的常識來判斷，你們應該沒有責任吧！ |
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周副主任委員美伍：對，但是我還是要跟委員報告，因為雙方已經合作一、二十年了，我們有很好的默契，平常他們要出來執法、我們要出去執法，如果今天是協同執法，我們都會互通電話，剛剛邱主委也有特別的講到，因為這是基層、地方的事務，我們直接海巡對海巡就聯絡了，就可以做這件事情，而且我們每次都會強調是在雙方各自管轄的水域裡面做執法，這種事情稀鬆平常，我必須要跟委員報告。 |
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王委員美惠：對啦！署長，你說執法、執法，說不定就是中共放任他們的，你看，這艘船沒有牌照，什麼都沒有。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：是，但是我要跟委員報告，現在不管是家屬、對方代表團或是紅十字會這些顧問，我們的重點都是擺在要對死亡的家屬有多一點的照顧。 |
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王委員美惠：對啦！這不管發生在哪一個國家都希望是這樣。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：國內很多宗教團體或是公益團體也都拜託我們，希望我們能夠多多照顧家屬，這也是我們一直以來秉持的精神。 |
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王委員美惠：不是啦！署長，要照顧亡者的家屬，這點任何人都不會反對。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：另外，最重要…… |
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王委員美惠：今天的專案報告是要釐清到底為什麼會發生這樣的事件？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：當然，這一定要等司法判決後，就是等調查的結果出來之後，我們才能夠對社會大眾做一個說明。我們不能說我們對，我們不能這樣講，因為陸方也會說他們沒有錯，我覺得這是很正常的現象，但是這個一定要交給…… |
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王委員美惠：當然，車禍發生時都是這樣，你說你對，我說我對，這只能交由司法來判斷，看這個船是哪裡受損，由此來判斷這是「衝撞」？還是「擦撞」？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：最後再跟委員做一個報告，在協商的過程中最重要的一點就是，未來在金廈水域雙方要如何避免再發生類似的案件，這才是我們應該要注意的事情。 |
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王委員美惠：好，對，我們都應該注意。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：雙方對於三無船隻都應該要嚴格的把關，如果陸方可以把它管制得很好…… |
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王委員美惠：但是像這些沒有牌照的三無船隻，該處理的就要處理，不可以太過軟弱。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：對，但我們希望未來可以避免再發生類似的憾事。 |
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王委員美惠：好，署長，我最後請教你一下，到目前為止，在你們協調之後，這個名稱是寫什麼？來，請你說明。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：什麼名稱？ |
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王委員美惠：就是你們協商後這個名稱要寫什麼？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：好，這個問題可不可以請我們專案小組長、副署長來報告？ |
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王委員美惠：好，來。 |
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主席：請海巡署許副署長。 |
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許副署長靜芝：協商過程的名稱我們一律都是使用「談話紀要」。 |
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王委員美惠：「談話紀要」？ |
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許副署長靜芝：是。 |
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王委員美惠：沒有說衝撞、碰撞或是什麼的，只有說2月14日有發生這件事情？ |
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許副署長靜芝：談話紀要。 |
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王委員美惠：好，本席瞭解，本席在這裡是要問你們，你們協商時有遇到什麼困難嗎？因為已經協商十幾次了，困難點在哪裡？他們是要錢？還是要什麼？來，說一下。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：我們都還在努力。 |
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王委員美惠：還在努力？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：對，我們都還在努力。 |
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王委員美惠：那是努力哪一方面？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：各方面我們都在努力，我剛才特別強調了，我們希望能夠站在人道關懷的立場，對家屬提供好的照顧。另外，我們對…… |
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王委員美惠：對啦！署長，你這樣講大家都認同，應該要照顧往生者的家屬，但是我們看到國民黨副主席到他們那邊後說回來要教訓民進黨，我覺得很奇怪，這是要教訓什麼？因為事情發生後應該要就事論事的來處理才對，你看，他這麼高興的和國臺辦主任說回來後要教訓民進黨，唉呦！不要這樣啦！身為臺灣人，碰到事情應該要合作的來解決問題才對，而不是在外面罵臺灣人，說實話，這樣很沒格調，我看到這個時也覺得很奇怪，他是臺灣人，領臺灣的退休金，怎麼會在國外罵臺灣？立法院不是民進黨的，是大家的，署長，他說要回來教訓民進黨，海巡署是民進黨的嗎？ |
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周副主任委員美伍：我要特別的強調，這次是單一的執法事件。 |
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王委員美惠：哦！單一執法。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：這是地方單一的執法事件，我們跟金廈、晉江之間，有關這種事情我剛剛已經特別舉例了，這個在我們的執法過程中經常發生。 |
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王委員美惠：我的質詢時間已經到了，你可以提供我的資料，拜託！會後請提供給我，就是我剛才問你的意見，以上。 |
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周副主任委員美伍：謝謝委員。 |
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主息：非常謝謝王美惠委員，也非常謝謝署長，現在休息5分鐘。 |
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休息（12時12分） |
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繼續開會（12時21分） |
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主席：現在繼續開會。還有一些官員還沒有回來，麻煩請聯繫一下，請他們趕快坐到位置上，管主委還沒到，請海巡署同仁能夠聯繫一下？ |
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請黃捷委員質詢。 |
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328 |
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委員會-11-1-15-2 |
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高金素梅 |
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傅崐萁 |
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陳雪生 |
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王美惠 |
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洪孟楷 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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李柏毅 |
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麥玉珍 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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丁學忠 |
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許宇甄 |
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張智倫 |
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黃建賓 |
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牛煦庭 |
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張宏陸 |
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黃捷 |
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吳琪銘 |
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沈伯洋 |
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羅智強 |
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賴士葆 |
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吳沛憶 |
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李坤城 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳冠廷 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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王鴻薇 |
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張啓楷 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請海洋委員會主任委員、大陸委員會主任委員、國防部及海軍司令部參謀長就「金門撞船案：
翻船執法過程及後續處理」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
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再請署長要不要先喝一口水好 謝謝 |
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市長,在剛開始開會到現在,兇手就是你了。大家都在美冠馬主委說他改這個帝國,在這裡面我認為我們台灣國會這個議員,我們也覺得應該要捍衛台灣的主權,因為我覺得長久以來, |
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大家發生事情的時候,大家都不滿意,因為在這個地步的時候,你能夠跟主委說,是怎樣你不可以跟主席說呢?他是沒辦法接受你說的,還是你根本就不跟他說,再來在現在你所介紹的,說實在,我推的海巡署,說實在,非常可憐,非常無奈, |
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因為你說常常聲聲鼓鼓說捍衛我們海巡署我們的兄弟啦吼,但是在這個過程當中,自1994年到現在,每個人每個人每個人啦,我又看不到說,每個人來到這裡,是要為台灣還是為阿強啦,全部覺得是阿強的 |
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會受罰嗎?阿強阿說什麼?跟我們來附和他?因為若說後路衛啦,在本縣的林地啦,車輛,騎機車的車輛,跟騎機車的車騎,那是停車的地捏。 |
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你如果在做筆錄的時候,我覺得不小心把你站上去,或是我若你把你收攏,那時候做的是不一樣的。所以在這個單位,我覺得你要說清楚,是怎樣你會去質疑說,不能說收攏,要說收站。 |
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你如果這樣太浪費的時候說實話這就是惡質啦 |
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因為常常我們都說要捍衛台灣移民的權益及主管的權益,但回到過去以來,我覺得我們真的,我們的海巡署在做的時候,我們是如何打擊它,再來在這裡面,到目前為止,你有的說不能公開不能公開,這樣本事讓你們問一下, |
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謝謝委員剛剛你所講的我們都能夠體諒那您剛剛說的我們就是一個執法就是一個單一的事件那今天這麼一個單一的執法事件 |
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王美惠議員 |
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王美惠 |
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王美惠 非常有效的 因為這次有人過往 因為我相信台灣跟阿強都沒有關係我們都不希望發生這種事 我們要找出問題出來 要怎麼處理才對雖然他經常去我們家 但是我們也認識 他是我們的朋友 我相信我們也沒有關係 |
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沒錯沒錯,我們都不願意發生這樣的憾事,但是我們今天我們的專案小組到金門談了這麼多天,從15號我們的專案小組長就帶著我們的調查組長,我們15號就已經進出,他們20號才來。師長我再請教一下,搞不好政委委員會還要求我們海巡視的人過一邊讓他們調查 |
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因為我必須要跟委員報告我們雙方協議就是我們之間的會談的內容我們不要公開來 市長 不公開的時候因為說實在 |
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他們本身會去提起這個應該是多少有這個事情即使你要如何捍衛台灣不是說他們要求的就是要如何處理本身站在這裡是要捍衛我們台灣的資金但因為事情發生的時候我們要如何來處理因為不管是什麼人對不對 |
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畢竟有兩個人過往的,我們就是要理清這個事情出來啦,不外乎會說,你們這啦,民進黨這間啦,又跳在那裡霧啦,跟在那裡暗冷球啦。 |
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第一點,我們在這個整起事件上面 |
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路芳一直要求一個真相,我們也追求一個真相所以我們要請我們的司法調查完了之後,這個真相出來如果有救責,有我們的責任,我們絕對不規避 |
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王美惠主席 |
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因為這是我們基層就是地方的事務我們直接海巡對海巡就聯絡了就可以做這件事情而且每次都會強調在雙方各自管轄的水域裡面做執法這個都是我們的溪區平常我必須要跟委員報告律委律委 |
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但是我要跟委員報告我們現在整個跟不管是家屬或者是對方的代表團紅十字會的這些顧問我們的重點就擺在我們希望能夠對死亡的家屬能夠多一點照顧這也是我們國內很多的公教團體或者是我們的這些公益團體都有拜託我們希望我們能夠多照顧這樣子的一個家屬這是我們一直秉持的一個 |
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當然這一定要由司法判決之後就是調查的結果出來之後跟社會大眾做一個說明所以我們不能說我們對我們不能這樣講因為路芳也會說她沒有錯我覺得這是一個很正常的一個形象 |
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最後跟委員再做一個報告就是我們整個這個協商的過程當中我們最重要的一點就是說我們如何雙方避免未來在金下水域 |
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王美惠 |
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如果陸方就讓他 反正這三回沒辦法處理也要處理 不能太軟弱我們就是希望我們避免未來再發生類似的案事 這是我們希望好 來 署長 最好我來請教一下 到現在目前為止 您的協調後 您的名字寫什麼來 您說一下 您的協商 什麼名字 |
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您的協商,您要去協商要寫什麼啊?您協商,好來,來,協商,來,協商過程的名稱我們都是一律使用彈劃紀要,彈劃紀要,是,阿沒說弄到阿沒說碰撞阿沒說什麼,我就是說到2月14日發生這件事 |
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主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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我們都還在努力我們各方面都在努力我剛剛特別強調我們就是希望能夠在人道關懷的立場一定要對家屬提供很好的照顧 |
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因為我認為,署長你說這樣是大家都認同的,去到後生者要讓他們照顧,但我們看到,副主席顧民東、副主席去告他們,說回來要立民進棟駕駛,我覺得很奇怪,是要駕駛什麼 |
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因為關心事情,我們是要求書論書來處理才對啊!你看他這樣,很高興的!跟他們國台辦的主任說回來要立法院進黨到時,哎呦,不要這樣啦!相為在台灣,回到什麼事情?我們是要合作來解決問題才對啦!不是在外面,要罵台灣人啦!這樣說實在啦!沒辦法啦! |
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因為我看到這樣,我也覺得很奇怪,去到外國,跟他在台灣人,你看台灣人的退休金,加上美南台灣啊,你看他不是民進黨的,是黨的。首長,你有覺得我說這樣,他說要回家的時候,你們還是覺得是民進黨的嗎? |
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724.186 |
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非常謝謝王美惠委員 |