| IVOD_ID |
17769 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17769 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T08:31:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T11:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:25:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d90e2c47cd250ac01b6918ac9a81339751f0f14e9ecaf477f1b74703902dda7175ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:01 - 11:57:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員7人已除法定人數 |
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好 我們現在開會 請醫師人員宣讀上次醫師錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第六會期 |
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外交及國防委員會第四次全體委員會議一四錄 |
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時間中華民國一百一十五年十月十五日 |
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星期四上午九時至十三時三十六分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
1763.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1765.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
地點紅樓三零一會議室 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1765.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
出席委員陳俊瑜等十四人 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1770.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
列席委員洪玉祥等十三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1770.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1774.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
列席人員喬務委員會代理委員長李延慧及所屬人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
1774.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1777.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
外交部政務次長陳明奇及所屬人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1777.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
1780.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
審計部副審計長連汝林 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
1780.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
1784.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
行政院主計總處會計決算處檢認秘書王文坦 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
1785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
1788.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
主席許昭吉委員曉欣 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
1788.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
1788.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
1788.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
1791.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
依宣讀上次會議一四錄決定確定二 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
1791.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1794.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
邀請喬務委員會代理委員長李延慧報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1794.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1796.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
喬務委員會因公出國管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1796.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1799.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
駐外接待及公務資源使用情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1799.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1803 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
並請外交部次長吳志忠列席並備質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1804.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1804.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1804.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1805.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
審裁委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1806.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1807.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1807.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
喬務委員會含送114年第四季 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1810.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1812.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
因公派員出國計畫考察費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1812.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1814.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
執行情形表案 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1814.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
喬務委員會副委員長賴麗穎報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1819.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
委員陳俊雲等23人質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1819.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1822.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
均有喬務委員會代理委員長李延慧 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1822.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1824.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
副委員長賴麗穎 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1825.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1827.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
主計事主任甘育霖 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1827.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
外交部政務次長陳明奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
常務次長葛寶軒及審計部副審計長林汝霖 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1834.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
等及其答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1834.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1837.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
決議登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1837.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1838.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
報告及巡達結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1838.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1840.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
二委員陳永康 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1840.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1841.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
黃仁及傅崑琪所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
1841.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1844.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
1844.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1844.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
三委員所提 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
1844.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
書面及口頭質詢未及答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
1846.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1848.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
或要求提供資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
1848.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1850.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
請身份機關與二周內以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1850.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1854.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
本會全體委員及質詢委員並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1854.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1856.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
委員令指定期限者從其鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1856.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
是討論事項一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1857.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1859.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
令則其繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1862.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1865.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
好 請醫事人員宣讀報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1865.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1866.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
報告事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1866.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1868.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
邀請國家安全局局長蔡明晏 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1868.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
率相關情報機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1873.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
提出國家情報工作及國家安全局業務報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1873.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1874.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1874.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1875.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1878.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1882.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我們現在介紹在場委員及一位官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1882.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1883.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
沈柏楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1886.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1887.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
羅美林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1889.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1891.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
國家安全局蔡明晏局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1893.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1896.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
國安部憲兵指揮部指揮官 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1896.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1897.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
鄭貞翔指揮官 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1899.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
資通軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1904.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
資通電軍指揮部指揮官毛建秋 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1904.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1905.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
指揮官 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1905.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1908.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
軍事情報局局長陳明華陳局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1909.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1912.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
電訊發展室主任趙建國趙主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1913.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1916.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
政治作戰局副局長胡瑞訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1917.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1918.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1919.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1922.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
軍事安全總隊代總隊長陳建勇 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1922.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1923.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
陳代總隊長 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1924.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1929.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
海洋委員會海巡署副署長謝慶欽副署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1931.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1934.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
巡防組組長洪博生 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1934.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1934.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
洪組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1936.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1939.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
情報組組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1939.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
蘇全城 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1940.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1941.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
蘇組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
1942.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
1944.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
內政部警政署張榮新張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
1946.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1948.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
刑事警察局邱肇周邱局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
1950.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1953.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
保安組組長王炳瑞 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
1953.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1953.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
王組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
1955.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1958.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
保防組組長林慕宏林組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
1960.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
內政部移民署林弘恩署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
1964.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
1968.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
國際級執法事務組江林組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1970.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1973.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
入出國事務組林俊宜組長 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
1976.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1978.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
法務部調查局徐國貞副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
1980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
1983.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
國家安全務務處葉立青處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
1985.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
1990 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
國安國內安全調查處林大專處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
1991.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
1994.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
保防處處長林天進 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
1995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
1998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
資通安全處處長鄭建行 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1998.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1999.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
鄭處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2000.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2000.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2003.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2008.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
請問在場委員對上次非議事錄有疑漏或錯誤需要更正之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2010.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2010.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2012.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
如果沒有我們就議事錄確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2014.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2021.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
那本日會議邀請國家安全局局長率相關情報機關首長提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2021.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2027.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
國家情報工作暨國家安全局又報告並被質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2027.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2030.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
報告區分為公開跟機密兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2031.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2034.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們就先公開後秘密報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2034.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2038.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
詢討又先秘密後公開時間並計 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2038.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2041.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
本會委員質詢時間4加2分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2041.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2043.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
非本會委員質詢時間4分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2043.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2046.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
10點30分截止發言登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2046.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2047.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
如果有臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2047.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2052.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
請在10點30分前提出11點鐘左右處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2052.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2056.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
我們現在就請蔡局長上台就公開部分進行報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2069.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2073.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
好謝謝主席各位委員先進各位女士各位先生大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2073.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2076.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那很榮幸今天來協同我們國安情報機關的首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2076.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2080.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
跟委員會這邊來針對今年下半年的業務報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2080.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2081.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
提出一些說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2081.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2084.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
那以下緊就三個部分包括國家安全情勢分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2084.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2088.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
還有未來工作重點方向來跟大家做一些報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2088.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2090.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
那第一大部分是有關於國家安全情勢分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2090.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2094.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
在當前重要情勢部分我們列舉了大概幾個重點跟大家做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2095.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2100.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
第二部分是美國跟歐洲持續的來推動對中國的經貿去風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2100.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2103.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我們知道在今年的5月第一次川習會之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2103.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2106.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
美國跟中共他有啟動到貿易理事會的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2106.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2111.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那雙方也同意要付將300億美元的非民港商品的相關的關稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2111.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2116.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
那可是中共對於對於美國的相關商品的採購並沒有完全的到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2116.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2120.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
那試圖為今年後續還有兩次的川習會來累計中共方面的談判 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2120.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2122.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
還有操作的一個籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2124.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
那美中除了元首的會談以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2124.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2131.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那雙方也針對外交經貿安全首長的一個溝通機制來表達彼此利益的關切的一個重點 |
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2131.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2137.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
那除了美國以外歐洲方面歐盟外長的會議也在今年的7月通過了戰略評估報告 |
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2137.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2140.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
那把中共視為是重大長期的戰略挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2140.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2143.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
那也批評中共管制關鍵物資的出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2144.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2148.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那歐盟自衛會的主席Vandlijen也在今年的9月發表萌芹之文強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2148.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2154.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
歐盟將會動用所有的反制工具來平衡歐中雙邊的貿易加強貿易的去風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2154.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2159.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那第二點跟大家提報的是有關於印太國家積極的來提升自主防衛能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2159.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2164.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
所以我們這邊羅列的有美國在印太地區最重要的盟友包括日本韓國菲律賓澳洲等等國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2165.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2167.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
他們在明年的國防預算都創下了新高 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2167.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2174.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那主要的預算的重點都投資在發展遠距的打擊無人系統跟C5ISR相關的能力的提升 |
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2174.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2178.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
那目的就在強化這些國家具體防禦的一個量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2179.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2186.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
那另外在今年1月到10月之間美國跟印太友盟也舉行了28場以上的聯合軍事演訓 |
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2186.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2189.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
那參演的部隊累計有達到21.5萬人次 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2189.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2194.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
那特別是目前正在日本舉行的歷屆二七聯合演習 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2194.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
參演人數高達6萬5000人 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2196.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
大概是今年以來美盟在區域裡面最大規模的聯合演訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2206.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那另外在今年主要的目的就提升在美國印太友盟之間區域防禦還有續戰韌性的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2207.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2211.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那至於相關的演訓要況請各位可以看到公開資料的第五頁的表格的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2211.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2215.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那第三點跟大家說明的是美盟他們合力在建構飛鴻供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2216.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2220.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
那針對這一部分美國已經召開第一屆的關鍵礦產部長會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2222.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
那也邀請有全球50個國家來參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2222.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2227.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那特別是針對國防半導體電動車電池等等重要產業所需的礦產 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2227.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2230.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
來進行必要的合作開發投資還有儲備 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2230.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2234.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那美國也跟24個國家合組系正式共同打造AI的生態系 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2234.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2240.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那我們國家也跟美國簽署系正式宣言跟台美經濟安全合作的聯合聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2240.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
彰顯了我們先進的製造業在全球AI產業鏈裡面扮演非常關鍵的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2246.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2249.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那另外美國也深化印太產業韌性夥伴關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2249.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2254.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那主要的目的是在協同美國的印太友盟還有其他的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2254.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2258.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
可以來推動國防產業鏈相關關鍵零組件的標準化 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2258.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
那我們國家也以顧問的身分來參與這樣的跨國機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2262.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2268.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
那這對於我們在對接美國跟盟友國防、後勤還有印太聯防體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2268.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
有非常重要的一個意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2270.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2272.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那第四點跟大家提報說明的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2272.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2275.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
中共目前面臨到在政治經濟上致力的一些挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2276.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2281.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那在政治方面中共持續去加強它在官場的反腐的一個整肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2281.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2283.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那這部分的資料跟數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2283.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2286.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
有請各位先進可以參與我們所整理的表格 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2286.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2289.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
那顯示出中共官場還是有充實一些待政 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2289.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
幹部亂權還有官商勾結的一個亂象 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2292.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2293.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
那在經濟部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2293.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
中共在前三季的經濟成長率大概是4.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2297.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2299.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
低於去年同期的5.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2299.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2302.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
那顯示它內需持續的不振消費疲弱 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2302.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2306.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
但是它的出口還貿易還不斷的在提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2306.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2308.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
那這也引發了各國我們剛剛所跟大家說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2309.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2313.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
對於中共產能過剩的一些擔心跟關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2314.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
那另外中共的地方的財政紀律比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2317.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2321.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
有一些問題也削弱了民間對中共經濟治理的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2322.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
在社會的部分今年一到七月 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2324.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2329.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
勞工討薪承抗的數量比重達到了49% |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2329.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
那反映中共的經濟低迷 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2332 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
對於就業薪資的問題有帶來一些衝擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2334.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2336 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那也因為面臨這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2336.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2338.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
中共開始強化社會的管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2338.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2341 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
包括頒布民主團結進步促進法 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2341.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2344 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
還有促進入境管理規定等等的新規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2344.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2346.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
目的就在遣制負面的輿情 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2346.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2350.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
防範承抗群體進行大規模的串聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2350.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2353 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
第二部分跟大家說明的是我們的國安威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2353.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2355 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
這部分我們大概整理幾個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2355.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2357 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
跟大家做主義相似的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2357.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2361 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那在台海周邊中共持續的來推進聯合戰備警巡 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2361.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2364 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
那中共的空軍兵力在今年一到九月 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2366.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
青老次數大概1450加次 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2366.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2368 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
那比起去年同期來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2368.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2370.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
青老的加次有減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2370.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
戰訓的力度有一些下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2372.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2376 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
那雖然在傳統的軍事的這些青老有下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
但是在海上會帶的襲擾的力度卻不斷的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2379.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2381.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那我們可以看到在今年的六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2383.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
中共開始把他的海警海巡船 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2384 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2385.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
執法巡航的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2386 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2388.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
延伸到我們的東部還有西太平洋的海域 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2388.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2389.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
那配合偵訊的操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2390 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2393.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
來塑造一種對於周邊海域管轄的一個假象 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2393.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2394.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
那第二點跟大家說明的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2395 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2396.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
中共也加大對我們的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2397 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2398.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
跟統戰的滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2398.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2399.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
在跨國鎮壓的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2400 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2402.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
中共指使境外還有在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2402.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2403.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
台灣內部的協力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2404 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2406.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
來監視跟派我們特定的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2406.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2408.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
那甚至製造一些肢體的衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2408.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2411.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
包括潑漆討債還有製造假車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2411.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2414.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
等等的事故希望用暴力來恫嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2414.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2417.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
我們的國人讓國人產生畏懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2417.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2418.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
引發寒蟬的效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
2419.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2420.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
那在交通統戰的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2420.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2423.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
中共還是延續他們對台觸統觸容的一個基調 |
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2424.02 |
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2427.52 |
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那特別把重點放在爭取我們的青年族群 |
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2427.76 |
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2430.02 |
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還有工商企業到中國來發展 |
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2430.26 |
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2431.52 |
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增進對中國的認同 |
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2431.76 |
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2433.02 |
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那在勤工滲透的部分 |
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2433.26 |
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2435.52 |
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中共透過勤工接觸還有網路勾連 |
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2435.76 |
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2436.52 |
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等等的管道 |
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2436.52 |
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2438.28 |
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我們也企圖取得我們政府 |
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2438.52 |
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2439.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
還有軍隊的今年的資訊 |
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2440.02 |
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2441.28 |
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那在過去的七年 |
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2441.52 |
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2444.28 |
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也就是2020年到今年10月為止 |
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2444.52 |
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2446.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
那我們的國安共諜案的偵辦 |
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2446.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2447.78 |
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不含反滲透法的案件 |
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2448.02 |
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2450.78 |
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起訴人數已經從2020年的6個人 |
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2451.02 |
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2453.28 |
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攀升到今年的73個人 |
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2453.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2455.28 |
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那其中這些案件 |
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2455.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2457.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
移送到法院來進行判決 |
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2457.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2459.28 |
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定罪率也高達91% |
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2459.52 |
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2460.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
那另外判處的刑度 |
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2461.02 |
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2462.28 |
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也從2020年平均 |
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2462.52 |
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2463.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
只有一年的刑度 |
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2463.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2464.54 |
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那在科技簽密的部分 |
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2464.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2466.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
從2020年到現在 |
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2466.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2468.04 |
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累計證破151起 |
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2468.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
中資沒有經過審查來台灣 |
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2471.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2473.04 |
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落地營運或在台挖角的案件 |
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2473.28 |
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2475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那另外也有50起 |
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2475.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
中共對我們的科技簽密案的證破 |
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2477.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2479.04 |
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那在對台競選部分 |
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2479.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2481.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
那中共透過非法資金的挹注 |
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2481.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
招待到中國大陸旅遊 |
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2483.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
或是贊助各種各樣的 |
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2485.28 |
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2487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
科技資訊的證據 |
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2487.28 |
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2488.04 |
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那在這幾年 |
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2488.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2489.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
我們也有進行過 |
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2489.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2491.04 |
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一個非常大的判決 |
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2491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2492.8 |
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那這部分在會前 |
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2493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2493.8 |
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媒體朋友在關心 |
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2494.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2495.8 |
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也有跟大家做一些說明 |
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2496.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2497.8 |
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第三點是中共有 |
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2498.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2499.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
甚高對我們的網害 |
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2500.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2502.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
侵擾的一些力度 |
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2503.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2504.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
那從今年1月到9月為止 |
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2505.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2506.8 |
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我們政府服務網GSN |
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2507.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2508.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
每天平均遭到 |
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2509.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2510.8 |
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侵擾次數達到258萬 |
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2511.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2511.8 |
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於次數 |
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2512.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2512.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
那在這幾年 |
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2513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2514.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我們也有進行一些 |
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2515.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
的判決 |
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2516.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
那在這幾年 |
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2517.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2518.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
我們也有進行一些 |
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2518.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2520.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
侵擾次數達到258萬 |
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2520.8 |
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2521.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
於次數 |
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2521.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2523.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
跟去年來比較 |
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2523.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2524.56 |
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有明顯的增加 |
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2524.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2526.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那特別在今年的6月出現 |
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2526.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2527.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
上揚的態勢 |
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2528.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2530.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
7月我們偵測到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2530.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2531.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
次數跟我們 |
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2532.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2534.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
達到了一億次以上 |
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2534.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2536.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
那不排除這些的網害 |
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2536.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2537.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
目的是要來 |
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2537.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2540.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
針對我們今年9月1的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2540.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2541.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
來預做一些情收 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2541.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2542.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
還有侵擾的準備 |
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2542.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2543.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
那值得注意的是 |
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2543.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2544.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
中共的網軍 |
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2544.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2545.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
也運用AI來進行 |
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2545.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2546.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
目標的偵查 |
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2546.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
靈異漏洞的挖掘 |
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2547.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
還有社交電郵攻擊的活動 |
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2549.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2550.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
企圖來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2550.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
對我們的網害網清 |
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2552.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2553.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
攻擊的節奏 |
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2553.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
還有滲透的效率 |
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2554.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2555.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
那第四點跟大家說明的是 |
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2555.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2557.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
中共散布證明訊息 |
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2557.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
還有操作認知作戰 |
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2558.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2560.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
那從今年1到9月 |
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2560.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那我們國安情報團隊 |
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2562.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2564.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
通過追蹤異常帳號 |
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2564.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2566.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
收到的有250萬餘折的 |
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2566.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2569.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
中共的產製的爭議訊息 |
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2569.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2570.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
那這跟去年通勤來比較 |
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2570.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2571.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
也是有明顯的增加 |
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2571.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2573.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
那在傳線平台的部分 |
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2573.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2574.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
其中臉書跟Trade |
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2574.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
它的徵信佔比大幅的增加 |
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2576.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2578.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
那我們可以看到 |
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2578.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
中共主要大概都是透過 |
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2580.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2582.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
官方或官媒設定的 |
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2582.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2583.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
敘事框架 |
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2583.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2584.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
然後再透過 |
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2584.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2585.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
它協力的代理帳號 |
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2585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2586.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
網路水軍 |
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2586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2587.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
還有公關公司 |
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2587.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2588.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
那在不同的社群 |
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2588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2589.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
媒體平台 |
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2589.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2591.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
透過假訊息的散布 |
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2591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
或生成 |
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2592.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2594.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
影音來進行 |
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2594.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
傳散虛假訊息 |
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2596.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
或是進行留言的洗版 |
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2598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2601.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
來混淆我們國人的視聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2601.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2602.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
好 第二大部分是有關於 |
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2602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2604.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
我們未來工作重點的方向 |
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2604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2605.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
這邊大概整理6點 |
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2605.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2606.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
跟大家做報告 |
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2606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2607.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那第一部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2607.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2609.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
強化國際情報的合作 |
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2609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2611.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
擴大區域聯訪的網絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2611.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2612.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
那這部分本局會 |
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2612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2613.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
持續的來深化 |
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2613.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2615.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
跟國際友盟的情資合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2616.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
適時來分享 |
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2616.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2618.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
社中威脅的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2619.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那也共同來掌收 |
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2619.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2620.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
中共跟國際情史 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2620.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2621.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
發展的趨勢 |
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2621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2622.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
以及對我們國安 |
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2622.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2624.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
威脅的預警情訊 |
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2624.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2625.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
那第二部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2625.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2627.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
優化對中的情收的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2627.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2629.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
來拓建內密的情訊管道 |
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2629.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2631.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
那因為明年秋天 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
2631.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2632.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
中共會舉行 |
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2632.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2634.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
21大的相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
2634.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2635.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
政治跟人事的布局 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
2635.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2636.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
那所以本局 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
2636.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2637.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
為了掌收中共內外的情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2637.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2638.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
以及對我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2638.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2639.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
國家安全的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
2639.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2640.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
也會持續的 |
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2640.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2642.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
來優化精準情收的作為 |
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2642.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2644.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
收援各類社中的情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2644.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2645.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
以及對我國 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
2645.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2647.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
國家安全影響的增厚 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2647.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2648.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
好 第三部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2648.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2649.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
發揮國安聯訪的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2649.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2651.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
來因應中共的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
2651.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2652.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
那這部分我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2652.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2653.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
持續的來指導 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
2653.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2654.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
我們國安情報團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
2654.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2655.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
收報預警的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2655.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2656.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
完善我們安危部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
2656.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2657.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
那遇到釋況立即的 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
2657.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2659.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
查處跟反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
2659.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2660.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
那也會加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
2660.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2662.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
遭到鎮壓的受害者的安全 |
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2662.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2664.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
並且依法來嚴懲加害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
2664.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2665.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
那這部分我本人跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
2665.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2666.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
前任署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
2666.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2667.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
我們都常常保持 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2667.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2668.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
密切的聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
2668.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2669.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
針對一些個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
2669.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2671.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
來進行必要的情收部署 |
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2671.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2672.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
好 第四點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
2672.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2673.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
有關於完善選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
2673.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2674.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
安危的部署 |
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2674.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2675.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
那這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2675.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2677.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我們會把重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
2677.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2678.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
放在協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2678.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2679.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
我們國安情報機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
2679.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2681.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
來加強駐收 |
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2681.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2683.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
中共還有境外敵對勢力 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2683.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2684.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
境外敵對勢力 |
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2684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2685.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
竭選的市政 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2685.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2686.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
跟重大徵詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2686.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2687.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
那剛剛在 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2687.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2688.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
會前跟媒體朋友說明也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2688.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2690.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
我們這邊會盡量在選前 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2690.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2692.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
有相關具體市政的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2694.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
盡快移送到司法機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2694.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2696.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
來進行必要的偵辦 |
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2696.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2697.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
好 第五點是 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2697.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2698.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
加強會帶目標的徵收 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2700.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
拒止中共海上的侵擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2700.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2701.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
那這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
2701.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2702.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
本局會持續的來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
2702.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2704.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
我們國安情報機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
2704.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2705.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
來聯合情先徵 |
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2705.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2707.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
中共海上異常的動向 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2707.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2708.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
那也會特別協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
2708.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2709.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
我們海巡署 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
2709.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2710.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
我們非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
2710.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2712.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
國安情報團隊裡面的夥伴 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
2712.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2713.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
來共同擴大合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
2714.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2714.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
那也加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2715.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2715.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
跟國際友盟的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2716.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2716.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
強化對於中共 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2717.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2718.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
會帶行進的反制的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
2719.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2719.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
那第六點最後一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
2720.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2720.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
也就是要落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2721.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2722.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
我們數位國土的防護 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2723.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2723.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
那這部分本局 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
2724.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2724.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
會持續的來結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2725.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2725.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
AI的技術跟工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
2726.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2726.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
後止妄害威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2727.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2728.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
趨勢預判的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2729.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2729.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
那也會持續的來研發 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
2730.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2730.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
新一代的保密裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2731.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2731.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
確保政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
2732.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2733.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
保密通聯安全還有韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
2734.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2734.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
那最後結語的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2735.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2735.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
因為我們念到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2736.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2737.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
全球地緣政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
2738.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2739.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
還有區域安全情勢的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
2740.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2740.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
非常的複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2741.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2741.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
那中共也立刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2742.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2743.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
利用各種複合式的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
2744.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2745.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
透過多元滲透的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2746.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2746.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
還有會帶來侵擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2747.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2747.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
對我們國安構成威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2748.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
所以本局會持續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
2749.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2750.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
來統合我們國安情報團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
2751.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2752.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
臨國部所快速的應變 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
2753.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2753.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
那同時也善用 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2754.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
國際友我們的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
2755.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2755.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
來建構更完善 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
2756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2757.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
更堅韌的國安情報網絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
2758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2758.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
來維護我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
2759.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2759.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
國家安全跟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
2760.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2760.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
所以以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
2761.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2761.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
也請各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
2762.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2762.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
可以持續給本局 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
2763.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2763.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
和我們國安團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
2764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2764.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
支持跟指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
2765.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2765.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
2766.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2768.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
好 我們謝謝蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
2768.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2770.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
我們公開報告結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
2770.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2772.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
接續就進行秘密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
2772.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2774.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
我們即將進行清場 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
2774.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2776.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
因為今天出列席人數比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
2776.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2777.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
待會移動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2777.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2779.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
請全部由前門出場 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
2779.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2780.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
參與秘密會議人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2780.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2783.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
由後門通過偵測檢查後 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
2783.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2784.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
再進入動線 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
2784.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2785.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
才會順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2785.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2786.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
好 我們現在請 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
2786.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2787.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
議事人員清場 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
4979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
4980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我們就繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
4982.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
4984.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
登記公開質詢的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
4984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
4985.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
開始尋答 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
4985.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
4987.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
我們第一位請 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
4987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
4989.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
羅美齡委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
4998.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
4998.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
4999.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
5000.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
有請國安局蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
5001.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
5001.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
蔡局長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
5007.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
5008.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
5008.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
5009.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
羅委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
5009.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
5011.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
局長之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
5011.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
5013.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
我們對於所謂中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
5013.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
5016.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
這個跨國鎮壓的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
5016.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
5017.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
我們之前都想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
5017.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
5019.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
可能都會是發生在海外 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
5019.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
5020.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
所以像之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
5020.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
5021.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
像我們王毅雙抓尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
5021.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
5022.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
他出國的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
5022.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
5023.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
我們要跟他講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
5023.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
5024.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
你到國外去要小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
5024.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
5026.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
不要讓人抓去 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
5026.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
5028.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
或是沈柏陽委員出國 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
5028.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
5029.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們也提醒他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
5029.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
5031.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
你要特別注意安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
5031.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
5033.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
可是從昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
5033.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
5035.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
尤其是昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
5035.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
5037.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
這個黃毅豪事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
5037.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
5038.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
我們發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
5038.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
5040.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
其實中共的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
5041.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
5042.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
其實就發生在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
5043.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
5043.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
包含之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
5044.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
5045.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
這個石板明夫事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
5046.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
5048.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
他被攻擊的這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
5049.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
5049.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
其實我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
5050.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
5051.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
像中國他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
5052.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
5053.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
對這個所謂他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
5054.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
5055.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
認為的所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
5056.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
5056.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
台獨人士也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
5057.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
5057.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
異議人士也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
5058.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
5058.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
其實他們不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
5059.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
5059.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
在台灣境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
5060.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
5060.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
或是在國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
5061.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
5062.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
其實他們都採取了 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
5063.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
5063.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
這個行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
5064.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
5064.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
那像之前我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
5065.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
5066.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
蕭美琴副總統在捷克 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
5066.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
5068.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
被這個中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
5068.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
5069.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
刻意製造這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
5069.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
5070.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
假車禍這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
5070.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
5072.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
其實我們看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
5072.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
5073.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
其實我們國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
5073.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
5074.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
政治人物也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
5074.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
5076.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
或是相關人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
5076.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
5077.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
藝文界的 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
5077.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
5079.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
或是政治評論也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
5079.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
5080.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
其實人身不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
5080.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
5081.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
在國內國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
5081.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
5082.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
其實都受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
5082.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
5084.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
很大的這個威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
5084.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
5086.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
所以我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
5086.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
5087.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
當然因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
5087.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
5088.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
選舉也快到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
5088.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
5089.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我們也很關心就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
5089.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
5091.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我們政治人物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
5091.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
5092.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
這個人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
5092.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
5094.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
然後我們昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
5094.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
5095.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
其實也有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
5095.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
5096.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
這個台北新北 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
5096.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
5098.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
這個台灣新北地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
5098.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
5100.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
檢察署的這個新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
5100.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
5101.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
裡面有提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
5101.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
5102.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
像這個黃毅豪事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
5102.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
5103.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
其實他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
5103.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
5105.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
他是這個大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
5105.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
5107.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
地區人士涉嫌出資 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
5107.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
5109.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
來指使境內的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
5109.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
5112.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
來製造這個假車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
5112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
5113.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
然後希望讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
5113.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
5114.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
黃毅豪所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
5114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
5116.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
什麼斷手斷腳之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
5116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
5118.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
那我想請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
5118.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
5119.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
像這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
5119.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
5121.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
大陸地區人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
5121.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
5122.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我們有掌握是 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
5122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
5124.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
怎麼樣的一個身分嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
5124.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
5126.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
大概跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
5126.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
5128.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
就第一個委員剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
5128.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
5130.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
就是說中國的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
5130.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
5132.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
它事實上在臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
5132.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
5133.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
在歐美很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
5133.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
5135.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
都不斷的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
5135.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
5136.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
所以它已經變成是 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
5136.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
5137.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
我們國安情報機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
5137.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
5139.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
在進行國際情資交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
5139.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
5141.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
合作的一個重點的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
5141.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
5142.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
因為大家都一樣的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
5142.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
5144.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
也同樣的都面臨到 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
5144.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
5145.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
相同的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
5145.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
5147.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
那交換資訊跟經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
5147.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
5149.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
還有一些法制的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
5149.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
5150.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
怎麼樣應處這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
5150.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
5151.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所謂跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
5151.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
5152.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
那這已經侵犯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
5152.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
5153.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
我們自由的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
5153.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
5154.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
侵犯到我們自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
5155.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
5155.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
民主法治社會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
5156.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
5156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
基本的底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
5157.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
5158.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
這大概是第一點的說明 |
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5159.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
5159.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
那第二點的說明是 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
5160.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
5161.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
針對這些跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
5162.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
5162.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
會跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
5163.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
5164.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
那以案例來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
5165.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
5166.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
大概都有境外的指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
5167.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
5168.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
或是資金的挹注 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
5169.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
5169.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
那針對個案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
5170.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
5172.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
我不便做一些細部的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
5173.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
5173.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
但是就這個太陽上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
5174.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
5175.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
那因為我們國內的 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
5176.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
5176.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
情報單位系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
5177.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
5178.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
不管情政署或調查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
5179.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
5179.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
對於國內的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
5180.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
5181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
相關的幫派組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
5181.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
5182.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
或犯罪分子 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
5182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
5184.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
都有一些相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
5184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
5185.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
那國安局的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
5185.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
5187.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
大概就是在境外的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
5187.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
5188.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那我們會進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
5188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
5189.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
一些資料的比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
5189.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
5190.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
來了解到它 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
5190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
5191.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
境外指使的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
5191.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
5193.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
還有金流的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
5193.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
5194.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
那再透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
5194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
5195.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
我剛剛講到調查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
5195.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
5196.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
或情政署的查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
5196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
5197.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
那針對相關案 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
5197.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
5199.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
官人是來進行約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
5199.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
5200.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
來釐清案況 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
5200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
5201.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
那最近處理的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
5201.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
5203.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
大概都以這種方式來 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
5203.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
5206.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
釐清相關的事證之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
5206.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
5209.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
再請那個檢方來加速整辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
5209.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
5211.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
所以局長是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
5211.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
5214.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
像這個中國對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
5214.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
5215.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
它那個大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
5215.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
5216.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
所謂涉嫌的 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
5216.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
5218.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
這個大陸地區人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
5218.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
5220.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
我們是有所掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
5220.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
5222.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
可是不方便透露是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
5222.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
5223.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
5223.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
5224.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
因為怎麼會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
5224.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
5225.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
隨隨便便一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
5225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
5226.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
想花個四五十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
5226.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
5228.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
然後再來到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
5228.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
5229.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
來這邊攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
5229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
5232.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我們這邊的政治人物也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
5232.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
5233.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
或是評論員也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
5233.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
5235.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
我想這個應該是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
5235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
5237.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
蠻有一個組織的 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
5237.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
5240.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
一個系統性的攻擊吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
5240.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
5242.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
我是這麼認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
5242.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
5243.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
5243.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
5244.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
對 我們的看法也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
5244.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
5245.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
5245.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
5246.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
可能大家比較關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
5246.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
5248.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
都還是在個案的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
5248.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
5249.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
或針對個案進行討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
5249.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
5250.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
但就國安局來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
5250.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
5251.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
我們比較在意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
5251.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
5252.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
除了個案以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
5252.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
5254.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
是它背後在地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
5254.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
5255.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
這些協力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
5255.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
5257.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
犯罪的網絡跟集團 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
5257.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
5259.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
怎麼樣來進行瓦解 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
5259.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
5261.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
這才是我們關切的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
5261.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
5262.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
所以剛才也在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
5262.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
5263.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
情深署長討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
5263.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
5264.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
因為我們有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
5264.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
5266.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
一些特定的國內的幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
5266.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
5268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
那有參與這一類的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
5268.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
5269.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
那怎麼樣在 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
5269.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
5271.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
近期之內能夠展開 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
5271.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
5272.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
必要的掃蕩 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
5272.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
5274.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
達到一個示警跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
5274.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
5275.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
嚇阻的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
5275.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
5276.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
來遏止這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
5276.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
5277.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
跨國增壓的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
5277.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
5279.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
那會是我們接下來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
5279.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
5280.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
主要的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
5280.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
5282.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
那再來最後我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
5282.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
5283.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
5283.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
5285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
沈博央委員最近的 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
5285.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
5286.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
聲勢抗戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
5286.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
5287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
你們會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
5287.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
5289.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
特別擔心他的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
5291.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
5292.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
5321.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
5322.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
那議場的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
5322.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
5323.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
一定會及時第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
5323.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
5325.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
來請情政署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
5325.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
5326.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
針對特定對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
5326.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
5327.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
來加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
5327.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
5328.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
那有一些比較要 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
5328.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
5330.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
注意的選區 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
5330.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
5331.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那情政署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
5331.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
5332.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
我的理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
5332.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
5333.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
我前一陣子才跟書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
5333.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
5334.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
有一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
5334.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
5335.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
他們都有做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
5335.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
5337.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
安危規劃跟部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
5337.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
5338.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
是 因為現在大選 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
5338.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
5340.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
只剩下37天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
5340.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
5341.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
5341.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
5342.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
所以我們要特別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
5342.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
5343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
這個留意 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
5343.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
5344.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
那當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
5344.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
5345.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
整個後面選舉的局勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
5345.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
5346.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
一直在轉變 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
5346.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
5347.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
不管是維安也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
5347.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
5349.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
或是一些假訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
5349.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
5350.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
我想國安單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
5350.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
5351.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
應該也要特別來做留意 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
5352.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
5352.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
尤其是7月份開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
5353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
5354.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
我也看到我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
5355.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
5356.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
今天的這個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
5357.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
5357.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
7月份開始呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
5358.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
5358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
開始我們就有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
5359.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
5359.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
很異常的這個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
5360.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
5360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
然後有高達 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
5361.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
5362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
整個7月份就超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
5363.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
5364.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
1億多的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
5365.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
5367.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
類似的這個攻擊網路事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
5368.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
5368.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
發生嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
5369.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
5369.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
那當然我們也看到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
5370.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
5370.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
不單單是這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
5371.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
5371.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
7月份以來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
5372.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
5372.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
我們看到呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
5373.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
5374.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
有很多境外的粉專 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
5375.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
5375.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
也是透過一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
5376.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
5377.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
什麼換皮養皓啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
5378.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
5379.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
AI改寫跟跨平台的傳播 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
5380.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
5380.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
譬如說他們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
5381.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
5381.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
會放大台灣政治人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
5382.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
5383.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
跟選舉相關的一個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
5384.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
5385.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
譬如說摩都聖柏楊啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
5386.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
5386.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
或者是粉飾獎 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
5387.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
5387.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
等等的這個文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
5388.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
5388.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
大量的出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
5389.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
5389.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
那就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
5390.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
5390.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
我們對民主黨很失望啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
5391.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
5391.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
我們下次不投民主黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
5392.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
5392.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
沒有投梅薇的 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
5393.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
5393.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
可是你在看 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
5394.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
5394.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
他的這個所在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
5395.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
5396.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
幾乎都是在外國 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
5397.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
5397.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
或是在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
5398.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
5398.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
那當然我發現最近呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
5399.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
5400.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
我們的一些像Trace平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
5401.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
5402.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
或者是說臉書的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
5403.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
5403.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
一些網友 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
5404.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
5404.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
他們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
5405.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
5406.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
他們開始去做查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
5407.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
5407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
當這些訊息出來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
5407.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
5408.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
因為大家會去查說 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
5408.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
5410.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
他所在地在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
5410.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
5412.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
就往往這些很像這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
5412.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
5414.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
罐頭式的是農場文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
5414.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
5415.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
出現的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
5415.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
5417.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
往往都是在國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
5417.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
5418.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
所以我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
5418.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
5420.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
當然我之前有一直要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
5420.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
5421.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
就是國安單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
5421.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
5423.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
就是說要讓我們的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
5423.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
5425.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
如何去做辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
5425.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
5427.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
這個部分非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
5427.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
5428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
自我先查證 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
5428.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
5430.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
這個部分非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
5430.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
5431.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
所以那我也發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
5431.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
5432.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
最近確確實實 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
5432.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
5434.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
台灣人在看文章的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
5434.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
5435.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
他們就覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
5435.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
5437.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
確確實實台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
5437.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
5438.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
在看文章的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
5438.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
5440.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
有稍微去留意 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
5440.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
5442.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
這個文章是從哪裡出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
5442.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
5443.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
當然我覺得這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
5443.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
5444.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
很好的這個現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
5444.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
5445.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
那當然我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
5445.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
5449.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
我們相關單位也要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
5449.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
5450.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
跟民眾說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
5450.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
5452.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
我們要如何去做辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
5452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
5453.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
5453.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
5454.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我想這個部分還是得要 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
5454.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
5455.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
繼續來做加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
5455.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
5456.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
好 再來幾個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
5456.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
5457.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
第一個部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
5457.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
5458.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
像委員所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
5458.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
5459.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
現在的正義訊息散布 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
5459.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
5460.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
數量非常的龐大 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
5460.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
5462.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
然後異常帳號的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
5462.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
5463.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
也非常的頻密 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
5463.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
5464.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
所以我們這邊大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
5464.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
5465.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
能夠處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
5465.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
5466.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
我們用AI的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
5466.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
5467.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
來針對這些異常帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
5467.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
5469.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
做一些勾連跟查找 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
5469.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
5470.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
這大概第一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
5470.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
5471.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
那第二部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
5471.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
5474.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
稅員找到了他的來源的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
5474.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
5476.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
我們會去請行政署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
5476.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
5477.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
協助來查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
5477.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
5479.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
請那個平台業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
5479.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
5480.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
提供他的IP位置 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
5480.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
5481.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
假如是國內的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
5481.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
5482.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
有違法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
5482.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
5483.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
那就依照國內的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
5483.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
5484.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
來偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
5484.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
5485.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
假如是國外的IP的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
5485.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
5486.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
這個部分國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
5486.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
5487.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
在今年年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
5487.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
5488.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
我們建立一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
5488.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
5489.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
九大類的偵訊機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
5489.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
5491.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
那我們會對境外的IP |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
5491.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
5493.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
進行必要的封鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
5493.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
5494.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
那第三部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
5494.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
5495.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
是委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
5495.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
5496.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
民眾的媒體試讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
5496.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
5497.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
那這也是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
5497.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
5498.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
我們透過在立法院的專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
5498.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
5499.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
還有跟委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
5499.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
5500.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
詢討的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
5500.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
5501.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
來揭露這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
5501.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
5502.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
中共可能相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
5502.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
5505.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
散布偵訊的行為跟模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
5505.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
5506.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
那讓民眾可以更了解到 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
5506.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
5508.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
可能在閱讀相關訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
5508.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
5509.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
應該要更注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
5509.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
5510.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
他的出處來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
5510.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
5511.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
以及相關部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
5511.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
5513.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
一個查證跟說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
5513.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
5514.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
OK好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
5514.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
5515.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
謝謝局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
5515.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
5516.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
5520.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
5522.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
好 謝謝羅美齡委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
5522.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
5523.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
接下來我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
5523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
5525.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
陳俊宇委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
5532.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
5533.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
好 謝謝昭偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
5533.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
5534.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
有請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
5534.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
5535.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
蔡子彈前 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
5539.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
5540.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
局長早 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
5540.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
5541.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
陳委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
5541.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
5543.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
局長 我們今天的這個報告當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
5543.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
5546.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
看到對於當前重要的情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
5546.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
5548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
有諸多的這種資訊跟分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
5548.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
5551.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
那我想首先跟您來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
5551.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
5552.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
就是中共在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
5552.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
5554.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
政經和軍事上的現況 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
5554.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
5556.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
那上個月這個習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
5556.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
5558.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
回訪美國和川普 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
5558.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
5561.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
進行了今年度的第二次川習會 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
5561.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
5562.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
那在報告當中也有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
5562.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
5564.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
主要還是聚焦在 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
5564.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
5566.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
管理經貿的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
5566.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
5567.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
還有美國關注的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
5567.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
5568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
這個稀土供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
5568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
5569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
那中國關切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
5569.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
5571.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
還是在這個科技管制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
5571.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
5572.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
相關部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
5572.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
5573.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
那特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
5573.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
5574.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
中共在經濟上 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
5574.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
5575.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
成長率相較於 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
5575.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
5577.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
去年的這個同期 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
5577.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
5578.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
看起來是更糟 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
5578.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
5580.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
那也有這個內部經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
5580.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
5582.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
這個動能不正的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
5582.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
5584.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
加上政治和社會的一個動盪 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
5584.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
5586.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
所以藉由這兩次的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
5586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
5587.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
元首會談 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
5587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
5589.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
我想也是在尋求國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
5589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
5592.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
這個政經壓力的一個紓緩 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
5592.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
5593.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
不過這個峰會 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
5593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
5595.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
實質成果似乎比較有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
5595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
5597.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
即便持續的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
5597.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
5598.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
貿易修兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
5598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
5599.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
競爭的這種格局 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
5599.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
5600.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
還是沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
5600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
5601.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
那從大方向來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
5601.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
5603.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
國安局怎麼來評估9月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
5603.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
5605.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
這個川習二次會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
5605.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
5607.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
美中所謂的建設性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
5607.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
5609.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
戰略穩定關係的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
5609.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
5611.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
那在今年底前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
5611.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
5612.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
這兩次會談之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
5612.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
5613.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
還有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
5613.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
5615.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
會觸及到台灣議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
5615.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
5616.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
這部分是不是請局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
5616.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
5617.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
檢要說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
5617.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
5618.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
對 大概在9月份的 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
5618.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
5620.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
第二次川習會 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
5620.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
5621.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
那我們看到的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
5621.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
5623.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
大概雙方希望透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
5623.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
5625.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
原始的這個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
5625.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
5627.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
或是大概雙方希望透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
5627.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
5629.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
元首友好的互動 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
5629.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
5630.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
來管理美中兩國 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
5630.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
5632.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
高度競爭的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
5632.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
5635.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
這大概就是基本的概況 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
5635.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
5636.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
那在過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
5636.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
5637.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
我們看到他們確實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
5637.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
5639.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
希望能夠來管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
5639.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
5640.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
彼此的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
5640.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
5641.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
不要讓它升高 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
5641.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
5643.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
變成一種比較全面式的對抗 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
5643.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
5644.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
但是過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
5644.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
5645.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
你可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
5645.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
5647.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
雙方非常多的角力 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
5647.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
5648.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
跟委員報告說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
5648.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
5650.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
在9月的川習會之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
5650.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
5651.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
8月前一個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
5651.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
5653.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
中共對美國的稀土出口 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
5653.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
5655.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
降減了20% |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
5655.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
5656.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
20% |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
5656.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
5657.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
故意的操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
5657.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
5659.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
另外中共承諾跟美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
5659.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
5661.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
採買的這些大豆 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
5661.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
5663.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
本來今年的額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
5663.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
5665.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
應該是2500萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
5665.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
5666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
但是到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
5666.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
5667.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
中共也只執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
5667.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
5669.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
大概一半左右的採購量 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
5669.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
5670.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
所以你可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
5670.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
5672.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
在川習會之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
5672.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
5674.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
中共有刻意的做一些操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
5674.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
5676.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
希望能夠來增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
5676.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
5677.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
不只是這次9月的川習會 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
5677.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
5679.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
以及後續還有兩次川習會 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
5679.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
5681.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
中共相關的一個籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
5681.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
5682.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
那美國方面也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
5682.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
5685.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
中共希望在兩國 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
5685.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
5686.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
的這部分之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
5686.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
5687.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
美國可以去讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
5687.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
5688.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
雙方的貿易休兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
5688.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
5690.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
延長到整個川普 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
5690.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
5692.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
政府的任期 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
5692.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
5693.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
都不要去談貿易的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
5693.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
5694.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
但川普只同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
5694.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
5695.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
延長到 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
5695.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
5696.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
從今年的11月 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
5696.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
5697.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
延長到明年的1月 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
5697.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
5699.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
給他多兩個月的延長而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
5699.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
5700.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
所以你看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
5700.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
5701.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
不管是在高科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
5701.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
5702.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
經貿 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
5702.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
5704.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
或是相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
5704.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
5706.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
產品採購的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
5706.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
5708.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
雙方是處處疾風 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
5708.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
5709.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
5709.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
5710.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
那在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
5710.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
5712.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
強化社會的控制方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
5712.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
5713.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
5713.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
5714.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
中共近期陸續 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
5714.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
5715.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
推出幾部法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
5716.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
5717.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
包括先前我們在討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
5718.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
5719.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
這個民主團結進步出境法 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
5720.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
5722.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
那還有這個今天想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
5723.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
5723.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
這個詢問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
5724.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
5725.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
出境入境管理規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
5726.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
5727.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
和這個國防動員法 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
5728.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
5729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
那基本上這個都是中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
5730.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
5732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
它以國家安全為由進行擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
5733.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
5734.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
用模糊的這種定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
5735.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
5736.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
將權力下放給執法的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
5737.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
5738.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
當然也引發不少的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
5739.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
5740.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
那譬如這個出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
5741.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
5742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
出境入境的這個管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
5742.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
5744.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
出境入境的這個管理規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
5744.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
5746.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
擴大限制出境的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
5746.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
5747.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
適用範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
5747.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
5749.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
對於這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
5749.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
5751.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
需要往返兩岸的這個國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
5751.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
5752.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
包括我們台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
5752.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
5755.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
是否會造成更多的不確定性 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
5755.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
5757.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
而且他們所新修的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
5757.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
5758.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
國防動員法 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
5758.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
5762.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
將會納入更多的這個國家管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
5762.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
5763.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
是否這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
5763.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
5766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
中共會以統一為由來進行徵收 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
5766.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
5767.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
我想請教局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
5767.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
5769.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
就是國安局怎麼評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
5769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
5771.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
那中共實施的這兩項新法 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
5771.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
5773.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
對於台灣潛在的這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
5773.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
5774.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
會有什麼影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
5774.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
5775.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
那對於中共來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
5775.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
5777.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
這些立法又有什麼樣的意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
5777.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
5779.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
對 那事實上跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
5779.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
5781.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
我們剛剛在葉報的說明當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
5781.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
5782.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
5782.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
5784.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
中共現在不管政治經濟社會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
5784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
5786.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
不確定跟挑戰是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
5786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
5787.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
所以它透過一些法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
5787.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
5789.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
來加強對內的控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
5789.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
5790.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
那我們剛剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
5790.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
5792.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
出境管理規定跟國防動員法 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
5792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
5794.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
我覺得就台灣部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
5794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
5795.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
特別要注意的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
5795.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
5796.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
假如有台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
5796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
5799.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
或是你在泰國企業服務的國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
5799.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
5800.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
那到對岸去 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
5800.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
5802.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
那你在出境的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
5802.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
5804.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
它可能為了所謂要管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
5804.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
5805.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
高科技的外流 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
5805.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
5806.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
會做一些必要的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
5806.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
5807.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
那這會讓我們的台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
5807.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
5811.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
或在國際跨國企業服務的國務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
5811.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
5813.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
在旅行的自由行動度上 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
5813.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
5815.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
可能會比較受到一些干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
5815.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
5816.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
那這也是我們有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
5816.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
5818.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
有一些台商圈 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
5818.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
5821.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
或是跨國的這些服務的國務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
5821.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
5823.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
他們在討論過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
5823.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
5824.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
有這方面的不安 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
5824.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
5825.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
這大概第一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
5825.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
5827.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
那針對國防動員法的部分也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
5827.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
5829.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
中共希望透過法律來加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
5829.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
5831.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
政府對於民間國防資源的動員 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
5832.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
5834.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
那這可能對於我們在大陸投資的台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
5835.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
5836.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
可能產生的問題是在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
5837.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
5838.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
中共可以用國防動員的名義 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
5839.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
5840.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
來徵收或徵用 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
5841.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
5842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
我們台商相關的產能 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
5843.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
5844.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
或相關的產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
5845.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
5845.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
那更重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
5846.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
5848.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
有沒有可能會用國防動員的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
5849.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
5853.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
去徵收徵用台商的關鍵科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
5854.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
5854.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
那把它當成一個管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
5855.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
5858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
來徵用你的那個廠商的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
5859.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
5860.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
那是我們最核心的關鍵科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
5861.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
5861.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
所以在有這些法規之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
5862.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
5863.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
再加上它的法律的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
5864.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
5864.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
不是那麼明確之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
5865.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
5866.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
那可能我們就必須要去注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
5867.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
5867.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
它對於我們台商 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
5868.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
5869.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
或是在大陸投資人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
5870.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
5871.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
可能產生這種企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
5872.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
5873.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
或個人人身行動自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
5874.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
5874.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
帶來的一個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
5875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
5877.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
局長有沒有什麼樣的一個防範措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
5878.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
5880.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
對 因為它畢竟是在中國國內的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
5881.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
5882.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
所以大概我們還是會提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
5883.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
5884.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
可能在復老 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
5885.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
5887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
或是復派到大陸的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
5887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
5888.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
服務的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
5888.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
5890.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
那可能還是要注意一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
5890.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
5891.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
個人的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
5891.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
5893.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
那以前好像也跟委員說明過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
5893.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
5895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
特別你的一些通訊設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
5895.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
5897.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
那也要注意到不要有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
5897.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
5900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
批評中共的一些言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
5900.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
5902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
或是跟有一些團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
5902.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
5903.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
有一些連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
5903.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
5905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
那你到了中國大陸的境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
5905.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
5908.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
那自然你的法律風險會隨之提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
5908.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
5910.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
那這部分的說明跟警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
5910.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
5912.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
那我想有必要來跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
5912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
5914.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
我們社會大眾做一些提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
5914.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
5915.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
就國安的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
5915.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
5916.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
好 那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
5916.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
5918.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
這個部分就請我們國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
5918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
5921.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
能夠密切的掌握相關的情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
5921.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
5924.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
那也要適當的向國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
5924.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
5926.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
來做一個說明跟報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
5926.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
5928.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
像包括剛剛講的台商部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
5928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
5930.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
或是我們國人附陸的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
5930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
5932.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
能夠有一個宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
5932.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
5934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
或是跟他們先告誡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
5934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
5937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
讓他們能夠在這種情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
5937.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
5938.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
能夠避免的就避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
5938.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
5940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
我想這樣子才能夠確保 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
5940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
5941.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
我們國家的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
5941.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
5943.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
跟民眾的一個自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
5943.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
5944.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
好 這很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
5944.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
5945.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
謝委員的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
5945.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
5946.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
好 謝謝局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
5947.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
5948.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
好 謝謝陳俊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
5951.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
5954.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
好 接下來我們請林楚英委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
5965.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
5966.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
5966.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
5968.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
主席有請國安局蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
5968.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
5970.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
5971.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
5976.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
還有我們內政部移民署林署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
5976.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
5979.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
以及法務部調查局徐副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
5979.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
5980.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
5980.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
5981.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
移民署調查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
5981.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
5982.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
麻煩了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
5982.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
5983.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
好 謝謝 林委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
5983.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
5985.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
好 剛剛因為有機密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
5985.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
5988.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
所以有一些如果是試射機密的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
5988.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
5989.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
我們已經知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
5989.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
5991.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
那就可以不用在這邊做回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
5991.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
5992.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
5992.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
5994.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
那麼我想本席要問的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
5994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
5995.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
跟羅美林委員一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
5995.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
5998.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
就是有關於跨國鎮壓的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
5998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
5999.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
本席剛剛看到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
5999.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
6001.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
剛剛看到一個最新的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
6001.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
6004.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
就是風傳媒他報導了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
6004.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
6006.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
不只是沈柏楊被跟監 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
6006.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
6009.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
連這個退休的港警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
6009.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
6011.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
都成立了所謂的影子警網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
6011.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
6014.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
四度來台鎖定沈柏楊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
6014.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
6016.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
甚至於認為名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
6016.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
6018.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
不只沈柏楊一人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
6018.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
6019.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
本席特別把這個報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
6019.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
6021.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
先做成了一個網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
6021.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
6023.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
由是過去我們看港劇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
6023.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
6026.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
什麼星札師兄感覺很正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
6026.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
6027.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
但是沒有想到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
6027.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
6030.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
反而變成是退休的港警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
6030.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
6032.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
成為了來台灣跨境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
6032.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
6035.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
跨國鎮壓的一個幫凶嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
6035.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
6037.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
那麼這一群人根據報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
6037.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
6039.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
他在2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
6039.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
6041.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
在英國的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
6041.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
6043.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
這個有關於間諜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
6043.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
6045.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
以及這個滋擾事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
6045.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
6047.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
也有他們的影子存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
6047.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
6048.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
而這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
6048.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
6050.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
所謂性鬼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
6050.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
6052.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
舉水軒的局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
6052.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
6054.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
局退休港警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
6054.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
6056.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
他夥同了中國籍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
6057.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
6058.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
這個通緝犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
6058.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
6060.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
來到台灣四次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
6060.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
6063.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
然後這個所謂的鏈結網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
6063.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
6065.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
從由他來委託這位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
6065.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
6067.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
鄭姓的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
6069.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
6070.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
在轉包給這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
6070.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
6071.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
我想大愛真性社 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
6071.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
6073.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
現在非常有名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
6073.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
6074.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
因為他在沈柏楊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
6074.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
6075.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
這個案子當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
6075.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
6077.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
他就被起訴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
6077.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
6079.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
所以我想要請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
6079.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
6080.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
先問一下內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
6080.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
6081.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
跟怡凝署好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
6081.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
6084.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
有沒有注意到這個議長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
6084.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
6088.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
所謂現在連中國退休的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
6088.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
6090.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
我不是要講中國還是香港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
6090.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
6093.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
這種所謂警子警網 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
6093.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
6095.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
聽起來以為是要保護人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
6095.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
6097.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
結果是串聯台灣的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
6097.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
6098.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
然後成為滋擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
6099.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
6101.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
或者是恫嚇監控台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
6102.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
6102.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
甚至於是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
6103.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
6104.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
國會議員的幫凶嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
6105.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
6106.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
像這樣的人員進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
6107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
6109.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
有沒有列為你們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
6110.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
6111.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
接下來鎖定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
6112.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
6113.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
這樣的目標當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
6114.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
6114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
好 委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
6115.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
6115.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
委員剛才所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
6116.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
6116.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
我們都注意到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
6117.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
6117.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
而且這案件還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
6118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
6119.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
偵查當中還在溯源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
6120.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
6121.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
所以委員所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
6122.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
6122.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
6123.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
6124.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
我們仍然還在偵辦當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
6125.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
6126.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
所以請委員放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
6127.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
6127.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
委員所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
6128.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
6128.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
我們大概都有注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
6129.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
6130.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
不管是境外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
6131.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
6131.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
是不是有沒有他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
6132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
6133.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
這一些之前他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
6134.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
6135.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
一些相關的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
6136.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
6136.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
或者是配合在地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
6137.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
6138.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
協力者的真性獵者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
6139.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
6139.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
這個全部都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
6140.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
6140.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
在我們的掌控當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
6141.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
6141.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
而且這案件還在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
6142.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
6142.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
溯源偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
6143.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
6143.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
也不便在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
6144.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
6144.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
做報告 |
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6145.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
6147.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
所以我們當然是執行者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
6148.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
6149.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
我們現在是逮到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
6150.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
6151.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
但是最重要還是幕後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
6152.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
6152.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
這一些的無影者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
6153.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
6153.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
或者一些溯源 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
6154.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
6154.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
那這些案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
6155.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
6156.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
我們目前還在偵查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
6157.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
6157.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
好沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
6158.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
6158.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
案件的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
6159.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
6159.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
我們不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
6160.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
6160.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
但是我想要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
6161.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
6161.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
蔡局長的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
6162.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
6163.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
所以會感受得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
6164.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
6164.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
其實被鎖定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
6165.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
6166.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
恐怕不只國會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
6167.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
6168.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
包括這些所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
6169.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
6171.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
跨國的境外買凶 |
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6172.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
6172.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
境內施暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
6173.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
6173.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
已經成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
6174.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
6176.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
中國影響台灣的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
6177.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
6178.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
甚至於恫嚇台灣人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
6179.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
6180.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
自由意志的表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
6181.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
6181.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
它已經變成是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
6182.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
6183.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
有系統性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
6184.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
6185.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
這樣的一個滋擾行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
6186.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
6186.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
甚至於是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
6187.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
6187.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
我們來看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
6188.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
6189.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
昨天大家都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
6190.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
6192.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
就是我們的表演工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
6193.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
6195.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
黃毅豪他的這個案子起訴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
6196.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
6197.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
但是再往前推 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
6198.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
6198.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
還有石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
6199.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
6199.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
以及剛剛我提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
6200.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
6201.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
沈柏楊委員的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
6202.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
6202.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
所以這樣的所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
6203.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
6203.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
境外發包 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
6204.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
6204.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
境內執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
6205.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
6205.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
大家已經都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
6206.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
6207.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
這樣的一個所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
6208.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
6208.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
鬥吼模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
6209.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
6209.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
或是滋擾模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
6210.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
6210.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
是存在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
6211.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
6212.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
但是因為時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
6213.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
6213.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
我想直接講就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
6214.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
6214.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
6215.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
6216.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
像以黃毅豪來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
6217.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
6217.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
他的起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
6218.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
6218.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
就是用所謂的 |
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6219.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
6220.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
這種傷害罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
6221.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
6221.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
或是個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
6222.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
6223.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
其實可能幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
6224.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
6224.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
多則一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
6225.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
6225.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
他就放出去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
6226.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
6227.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
甚至於如果你二審三審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
6228.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
6229.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
搞不好到二審而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
6230.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
6230.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
他甚至於馬上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
6231.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
6232.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
就有機會換下一批人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
6233.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
6234.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
來進行這樣的滋擾行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
6235.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
6235.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
成為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
6236.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
6237.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
內心的恐嚇跟恐懼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
6238.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
6239.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
所以我比較想要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
6240.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
6241.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
目前以我們的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
6242.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
6242.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
不論是反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
6243.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
6243.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
或者是國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
6244.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
6245.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
是不是有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
6245.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
6247.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
以至於必須要用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
6247.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
6249.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
所謂的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
6249.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
6251.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
或者是個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
6251.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
6253.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
來做起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
6254.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
6255.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
好 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
6255.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
6256.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
謝委員提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
6256.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
6257.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
因為中共跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
6257.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
6259.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
是對我們自由民主法治社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
6259.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
6260.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
底線的侵犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
6260.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
6262.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
那我們在處理上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
6262.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
6263.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
一方面除了是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
6263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
6265.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
去進行一些調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
6265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
6266.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
蒐證以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
6266.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
6268.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
另外我們很關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
6268.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
6270.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
第二個重點是在於背後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
6270.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
6272.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
中共的這種協力的網絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
6272.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
6274.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
怎麼樣來瓦解它 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
6274.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
6276.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
這才是我們關切的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
6276.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
6277.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
也是剛剛委員在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
6277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
6279.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
詢問的一個主要的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
6279.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
6280.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
6280.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
6281.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
我們大概在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
6281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
6282.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
處理過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
6282.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
6283.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
會針對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
6283.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
6284.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
這些特定的協力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
6285.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
6285.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
以目前來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
6286.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
6286.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
很多都是幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
6287.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
6287.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
特定的幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
6288.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
6288.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
我們都有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
6289.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
6290.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
已經有跟警政署討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
6291.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
6291.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
我們會啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
6292.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
6293.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
必要的一個掃蕩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
6294.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
6295.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
來達到市警跟嚇阻的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
6296.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
6298.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
來遏止這種跨境增壓的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
6299.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
6299.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
第三個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
6300.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
6300.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
委員有提到修法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
6301.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
6301.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
這個我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
6302.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
6302.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
確實是有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
6303.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
6303.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
來做一些檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
6304.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
6304.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
目前能夠用到的法規 |
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6305.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
6306.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
大概就是刑法的傷害罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
6307.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
6307.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
或重傷害未遂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
6308.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
6308.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
或是個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
6309.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
6309.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
或是組織犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
6310.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
6311.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
怎麼樣有一個比較專責的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
6311.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
6313.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
特別目前的反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
6313.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
6314.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
主要是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
6314.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
6316.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
竊選非法集會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
6316.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
6317.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
還有非法的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
6317.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
6318.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
關所有稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
6318.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
6319.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
那怎麼樣來針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
6319.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
6320.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
跨國增壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
6320.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
6322.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
脅迫的這些行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
6322.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
6324.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
列入到我們的法律裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
6324.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
6325.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
那我們覺得這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
6325.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
6326.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
修法的討論是有必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
6326.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
6327.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
那國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
6327.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
6329.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
基於健全我們的國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
6329.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
6330.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
我們站在支持的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
6330.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
6331.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
好 我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
6331.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
6333.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
比如說像賴清德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
6333.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
6334.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
6335.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
6337.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
長子在美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
6337.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
6339.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
那麼就是在被中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
6339.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
6341.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
間諜更姦之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
6341.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
6342.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
那麼美國的FBI |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
6342.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
6343.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
是可以用他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
6343.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
6344.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
現有的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
6344.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
6345.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
把這樣的人扣住 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
6345.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
6348.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
讓他無法離開美國境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
6348.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
6349.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
但是我剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
6349.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
6352.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
說出來的這個所謂影子景望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
6352.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
6353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
我們現有的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
6353.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
6354.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
可以對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
6354.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
6355.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
如果他來監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
6355.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
6356.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
我們的國會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
6356.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
6358.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
甚至於是傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
6358.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
6360.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
我們台灣的藝人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
6360.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
6361.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
我們有辦法用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
6361.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
6362.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
現有的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
6362.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
6364.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
把他在機場離境之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
6364.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
6365.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
把他逮捕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
6365.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
6366.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
這是罪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
6366.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
6367.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
而且這個罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
6367.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
6369.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
不是像傷害這種為罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
6369.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
6371.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
讓他幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
6371.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
6373.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
甚至於一顆髮巾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
6373.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
6374.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
所以我想問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
6374.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
6375.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
我們現有的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
6375.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
6376.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
可以像美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
6376.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
6377.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
像國外這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
6377.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
6378.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
因為我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
6378.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
6379.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
6379.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
6380.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
包括沈博洋委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
6380.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
6381.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
以及我在內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
6381.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
6383.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
我們提了非常多的國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
6383.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
6385.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
不要說進入程序委員會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
6385.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
6386.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
再 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
6386.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
6388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
不要說進入內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
6388.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
6389.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
在程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
6389.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
6390.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
就被卡了幾百次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
6390.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
6392.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
已經卡到民眾都無感了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
6392.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
6394.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
那麼以現在的現行法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
6394.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
6397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
我們有辦法真的保障起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
6397.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
6398.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
我們人民的安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
6398.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
6399.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
能夠真的讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
6399.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
6401.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
這樣的表演藝術工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
6401.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
6403.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
能夠講他想講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
6404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
6406.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
我來給大家看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
6406.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
6407.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
這個是黃毅豪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
6407.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
6408.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
剛剛最新的臉書 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
6408.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
6409.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
他講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
6409.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
6410.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
6410.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
6412.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
趙賴清德做事很棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
6412.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
6413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
警方已經抓到人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
6413.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
6414.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
但是檢調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
6414.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
6415.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
也掌握證據了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
6415.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
6416.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
就是剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
6416.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
6417.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
6417.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
6418.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
不論是局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
6418.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
6419.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
或者是署長所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
6419.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
6420.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
可是立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
6420.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
6421.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
要立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
6421.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
6422.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
要協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
6422.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
6423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
6423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
6425.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
那我們看到昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
6424.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
6425.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
6436.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
6436.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
那像這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
6437.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
6438.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
他們都把法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
6439.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
6440.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
就是擋在程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
6441.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
6441.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
沒有法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
6442.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
6443.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
你們是要怎麼破案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
6444.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
6444.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
然後面對這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
6445.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
6445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
狀況跟壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
6446.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
6447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
你們該如何是好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
6448.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
6449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
針對那個國安法制的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
6450.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
6451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
那剛我已經有說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
6452.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
6453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
假如能夠有進一步的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
6454.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
6454.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
來強制我們的國安法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
6455.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
6456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
我們是抱持樂觀其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
6457.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
6457.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
跟支持的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
6458.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
6458.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
那在這之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
6459.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
6459.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
大概能夠處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
6460.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
6460.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
就是盡量把相關的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
6461.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
6461.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
調完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
6462.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
6462.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
我剛已經跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
6463.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
6463.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
有說明報告過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
6464.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
6464.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
不管是刑法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
6465.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
6465.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
個資法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
6466.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
6466.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
或是組織犯罪的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
6467.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
6467.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
組織犯罪的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
6468.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
6468.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
是重刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
6469.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
6469.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
基本都是五年起跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
6470.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
6471.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
所以以石板的案子來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
6472.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
6472.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
大概採用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
6473.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
6473.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
就是這樣的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
6474.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
6474.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
那這部分警方在偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
6475.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
6475.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
我們國安局的法制單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
6476.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
6476.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
也都有討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
6477.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
6478.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
相關法制工具的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
6479.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
6479.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
那所以我們還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
6480.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
6481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
根本的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
6482.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
6482.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
還是要有更完整的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
6483.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
6483.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
法律的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
6484.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
6484.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
沒有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
6485.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
6485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
我們只能盡量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
6486.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
6486.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
在現有的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
6487.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
6488.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
工具之下去找到法律要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
6489.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
6489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
來嚴懲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
6490.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
6492.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
嚴辦這些跨境鎮壓的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
6493.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
6493.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
好 因為我必須講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
6494.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
6494.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
不論是程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
6494.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
6495.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
或是程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
6495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
6496.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
或是內政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
6496.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
6497.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
以現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
6497.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
6499.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
藍白立委就是佔多數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
6499.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
6500.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
那麼如果他們把法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
6500.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
6502.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
擋住在程序委員會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
6502.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
6504.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
我還是希望主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
6504.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
6505.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
自己也要在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
6505.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
6507.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
把相關的法規提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
6507.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
6508.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
不管是內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
6508.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
6509.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
還是要查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
6509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
6510.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
還是法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
6510.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
6512.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
其實都應該來健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
6512.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
6513.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
法律的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
6513.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
6514.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
讓這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
6514.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
6516.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
不要因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
6516.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
6517.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
台灣的法律有漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
6517.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
6519.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
而有機會來鑽法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
6519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
6520.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
當然同樣的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
6520.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
6521.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
我很樂見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
6521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
6522.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
昨天傅崑錡總召 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
6522.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
6523.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
昨天傅崑錡總召 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
6523.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
6525.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
漏頁說他要保護言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
6525.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
6527.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
然後他要嚴懲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
6527.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
6529.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
這個所謂的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
6529.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
6530.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
那麼我也希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
6530.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
6531.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
傅崑錡總召 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
6531.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
6532.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
說到做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
6532.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
6534.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
讓國民黨在程序委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
6534.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
6536.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
不要再擋國安法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
6536.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
6537.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
這才是玩真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
6537.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
6538.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
不是玩假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
6538.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
6540.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
不然就像我們許曉欣總召 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
6540.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
6542.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
很在乎這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
6542.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
6543.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
沈伯揚委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
6543.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
6544.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
是不是有來開會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
6544.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
6545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
結果剛剛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
6545.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
6546.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
我們開機密會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
6546.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
6547.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
他在外面開記者會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
6547.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
6549.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
所以說我自想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
6549.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
6550.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
等一下可能很多報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
6550.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
6551.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
他不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
6551.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
6552.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
所以你們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
6552.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
6553.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
要花一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
6553.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
6554.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
再跟許曉欣召委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
6554.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
6555.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
來報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
6555.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
6556.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
剛剛機密會議的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
6556.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
6557.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
因為他剛剛在開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
6557.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
6558.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
他可能沒有聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
6558.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
6559.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
到時候你們可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
6559.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
6560.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
要再花時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
6560.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
6561.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
跟召委報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
6561.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
6562.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
因為不然只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
6562.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
6563.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
王召委聽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
6563.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
6564.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
這樣不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
6564.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
6565.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
6565.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
6566.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
好 謝謝委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
6566.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
6567.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
6568.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
6570.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
好 謝謝林楚英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
6572.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
6573.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
好 我們等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
6573.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
6574.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
等王定宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
6574.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
6575.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
質詢完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
6575.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
6577.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
就休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
6577.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
6578.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
好 我們現在請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
6578.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
6580.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
黃建斌委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
6590.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
6591.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
6591.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
6592.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
感謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
6592.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
6593.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
我們有請國安局區長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
6593.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
6595.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
蔡局長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
6599.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
6600.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
黃院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
6601.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
6602.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
局長早安 局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
6602.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
6604.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
我們今年國軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
6604.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
6605.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
射共諜的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
6605.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
6606.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
洩密的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
6606.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
6608.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
主要的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
6608.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
6609.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
太陽包括就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
6609.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
6610.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
金錢誘惑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
6610.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
6612.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
或是利用人際關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
6612.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
6613.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
吸收滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
6613.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
6614.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
或者是透過手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
6614.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
6615.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
翻拍機密文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
6615.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
6617.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
或者是通訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
6617.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
6618.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
軟體的傳輸資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
6618.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
6620.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
以及這個洩密專案計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
6620.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
6621.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
軍事部署等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
6621.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
6623.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
這些敏感的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
6623.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
6624.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
那部分的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
6624.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
6626.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
更涉及到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
6626.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
6627.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
拍攝這個投降影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
6627.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
6629.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
還有建立情報團體網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
6629.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
6630.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
那我想涉案人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
6630.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
6631.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
涵蓋不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
6631.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
6632.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
軍種跟職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
6632.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
6634.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
那也涵蓋軍人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
6634.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
6637.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
以及民間的一些百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
6637.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
6638.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
我想顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
6638.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
6639.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
敵方的這個深入手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
6639.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
6640.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
日趨多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
6640.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
6642.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
那這些案件反應的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
6642.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
6644.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
不只是各部份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
6644.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
6646.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
各別人員是否違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
6646.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
6647.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
他更在於敵方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
6647.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
6649.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
勢力是不是已經掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
6649.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
6650.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
可以重複利用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
6650.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
6651.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
這些滲透管道 |
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6651.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
6653.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
以及我們的保防制度 |
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6653.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
6655.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
是不是能夠及早來辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
6655.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
6656.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
所以這邊要請教局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
6656.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
6657.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
6657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
6658.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
我們國防局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
6658.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
6659.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
是不是有建立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
6659.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
6660.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
跨案件滲透手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
6660.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
6662.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
分析要預警的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
6662.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
6664.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
我們整合招募的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
6664.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
6665.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
經由的特徵 |
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6665.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
6666.6 |
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資料取得方式 |
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6666.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
6668.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
還有接觸的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
6668.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
6669.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
並且跟我們國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
6669.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
6670.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
建立明確的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
6670.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
6671.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
還有處理的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
6671.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
6673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
那可以及早辨識 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
6673.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
6675.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
我們官兵遭到金錢利誘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
6675.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
6676.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
或債務脅迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
6676.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
6678.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
或等等這些違規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
6678.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
6679.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
傳送公務資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
6679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
6680.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
這些風險有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
6680.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
6681.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
好 謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
6681.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
6682.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
關切這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
6682.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
6683.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
那針對軍中保防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
6683.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
6684.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
那國防局這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
6684.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
6686.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
跟我們的協情友軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
6686.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
6688.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
包括國防部的政戰局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
6688.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
6689.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
還有軍安總隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
6689.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
6690.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
都很密切的在聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
6690.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
6692.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
那聯繫的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
6692.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
6693.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
一個是包括各案的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
6693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
6694.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
那第二部份是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
6694.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
6696.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
委員剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
6696.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
6697.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
有沒有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
6697.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
6699.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
中共誘攜我們國軍官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
6699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
6701.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
的那些手法太樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
6701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
6702.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
那我們大概有幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
6702.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
6703.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
處置的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
6703.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
6704.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
我們有發現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
6704.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
6706.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
這些會被誘攜的國軍官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
6706.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
6708.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
他有一些高風險的特徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
6708.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
6710.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
包括他可能有財務的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
6710.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
6712.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
或是比較經常出入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
6712.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
6713.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
不正當的場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
6713.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
6714.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
地下錢莊借貸等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
6714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
6716.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
所以這些高風險的族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
6716.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
6718.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
我們跟政戰局這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
6718.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
6720.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
大概都有建立一個名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
6720.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
6721.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
所以局長你跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
6721.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
6722.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
不好意思局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
6722.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
6723.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
所以局裡面跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
6723.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
6724.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
各部會各單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
6724.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
6725.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
都有做這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
6725.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
6727.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
國安聯綁的這個技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
6727.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
6729.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
這是我們的工作 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
6729.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
6730.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
那我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
6730.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
6731.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
有提到這個國安聯綁技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
6731.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
6732.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
就是說我們這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
6732.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
6735.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
情之共享跟案件的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
6735.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
6737.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
然後本席要出現就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
6737.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
6738.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
那現行的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
6738.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
6739.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
是不是能夠真的做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
6739.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
6741.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
跨案件的整個事前的預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
6741.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
6743.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
不是接獲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
6744.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
6745.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
檢舉之後才啟動偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
6746.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
6746.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
因為國安部曾經也跟我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
6747.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
6747.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
立法院來報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
6748.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
6751.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
民國100年1月到114年3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
6752.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
6753.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
共同偵辦的國安案件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
6754.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
6755.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
有87.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
6756.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
6757.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
是由官軍主動檢舉反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
6758.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
6758.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
6759.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
6759.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
所以這個固然顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
6760.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
6761.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
我們基層通報的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
6762.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
6763.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
但是也應該進一步來檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
6764.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
6764.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
整個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
6765.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
6766.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
主動發生異常的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
6767.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
6768.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
所以我本席的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
6770.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
6771.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
這樣的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
6771.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
6772.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
我們是不是有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
6772.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
6774.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
就是在各個單位裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
6774.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
6775.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
把資料折成哪些樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
6775.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
6776.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
哪些情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
6776.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
6777.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
我們可以事前來預備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
6777.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
6778.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
有這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
6778.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
6779.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
6779.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
6780.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
所以剛剛跟委員說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
6780.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
6781.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
第一點就在於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
6781.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
6782.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
針對這些部隊裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
6782.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
6784.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
高風險會被接觸的分子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
6784.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
6785.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
我們是有一個名單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
6785.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
6786.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
這就是在預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
6786.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
6787.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
6787.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
6788.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
這是事後的查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
6788.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
6789.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
是事前的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
6789.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
6790.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
那第二部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
6790.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
6791.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
在太陽裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
6791.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
6792.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
除了網路勾連以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
6792.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
6793.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
要去宣導國軍官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
6793.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
6794.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
不要在網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
6794.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
6795.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
去接觸這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
6795.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
6797.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
不明來源的誘拉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
6797.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
6799.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
另外就是在營區周邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
6799.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
6800.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
我們也注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
6800.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
6801.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
很多的地下錢莊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
6801.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
6802.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
或是小吃店 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
6802.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
6803.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
都是去接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
6803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
6804.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
我們官兵的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
6804.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
6805.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
重要的場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
6805.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
6806.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
所以這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
6806.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
6807.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
我們是通令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
6807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
6808.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
我們的國安情報機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
6808.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
6809.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
全面的查查 |
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6809.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
6811.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
我們的國軍的營區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
6811.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
6812.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
還有海巡署的營區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
6812.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
6813.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
周邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
6813.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
6814.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
有問題的場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
6814.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
6816.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
數量我可能不方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
6816.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
6817.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
公開講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
6817.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
6818.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
但是這個場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
6818.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
6819.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
我們大概都有列管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
6819.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
6821.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
那也會請縣止部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
6821.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
6822.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
跟行政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
6822.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
6823.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
都會定期的到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
6823.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
6824.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
這些場所來查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
6824.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
6825.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
那也讓這些場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
6825.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
6826.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
不要變成是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
6826.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
6828.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
誘拉國軍官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
6828.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
6829.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
培養共諜的溫床 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
6829.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
6830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
所以大概有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
6830.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
6831.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
這些前置的規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
6831.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
6832.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
好 謝謝局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
6832.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
6833.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
局長我想接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
6833.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
6834.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
我想這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
6834.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
6835.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
防諜這塊事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
6835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
6837.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
要很努力一起來做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
6837.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
6838.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
6838.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
6839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
那我想要繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
6839.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
6840.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
來請教國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
6840.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
6841.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
6842.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
6843.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
6843.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
6844.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
來吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
6844.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
6845.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
建國安部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
6850.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
6851.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
黃毓民好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
6851.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
6852.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
是局長嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
6852.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
6853.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
6853.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
6854.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
副局長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
6854.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
6856.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
我們國防部從115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
6856.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
6857.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
1月1號推動一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
6857.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
6859.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
叫國軍官兵急難貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
6859.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
6861.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
提供合法的資金管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
6861.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
6862.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
來降低官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
6862.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
6863.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
因為財務困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
6863.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
6866.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
遭到利誘或脅迫的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
6866.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
6867.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
那國防部是不是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
6867.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
6870.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
掌握到實際聲帶的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
6870.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
6871.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
還有主要的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
6871.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
6872.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
並且在保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
6872.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
6873.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
他個人的隱私底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
6873.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
6876.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
我們評估整個制度的成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
6876.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
6877.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
那確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
6877.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
6879.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
這個是不是真的有效能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
6879.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
6882.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
降低因為財務因素引起的官危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
6883.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
6885.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
我跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
6885.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
6888.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
我們現在提供這個貸款的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
6888.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
6890.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
就是讓官兵可以選擇一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
6890.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
6892.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
比如說他育嬰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
6892.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
6894.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
比如說他有急難貸款的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
6894.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
6895.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
去貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
6895.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
6896.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
6896.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
6898.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
從今年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
6898.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
6899.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
如果記得沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
6899.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
6901.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
因為這是我們主計局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
6901.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
6902.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
在處理的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
6902.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
6903.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
生態的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
6903.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
6904.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
6904.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
6906.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
應該有3億提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
6906.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
6907.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
3億多的資金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
6907.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
6908.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
給官兵做貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
6908.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
6910.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
那事實上是有降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
6910.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
6913.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
官兵在資金上的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
6914.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
6915.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
非常對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
6916.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
6918.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
政策我本身也非常支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
6918.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
6921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
就是說這個措施確實能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
6922.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
6923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
協助我們官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
6923.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
6925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
不要因為即使要用錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
6925.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
6927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
造成一些可能選擇上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
6927.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
6928.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
一些走錯的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
6928.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
6930.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
但是我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
6932 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
6933.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
制度上就不代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
6934 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
6934.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
風險已經降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
6935 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
6935.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
所以當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
6936 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
6937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
急難貸款是解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
6938 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
6938.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
特定資金的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
6939 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
6940.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
但是他不懂直接是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
6941 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
6942.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
反情報工作的成效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
6943 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
6944.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
是不是請會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
6945 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
6946.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
有關今年度實際申辦的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
6947 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
6947.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
的件數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
6948 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
6948.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
還有核定的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
6949 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
6950.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
還有審核的項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
6951 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
6952.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
審核時間還有還款的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
6953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
6953.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
會方便提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
6954 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
6955.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
這些具體的數據給本席辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
6956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
6958.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
還有我們後續經進的這些措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
6959 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
6960.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
也都已經提供到本席辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
6961 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
6961.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
6962 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
6962.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
謝謝學長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
6963 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
6963.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
然後再請教一下國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
6964 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
6964.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
6965.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
6967.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
我們國防部每年都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
6967.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
6968.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
辦理這個保防的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
6968.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
6969.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
保防宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
6969.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
6970.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
職安訓練 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
6970.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
6971.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
還有涉及供給性命案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
6971.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
6973.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
還是持續在發生嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
6973.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
6974.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
那我想要請教說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
6974.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
6976.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
國防部是有進一步的檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
6976.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
6977.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
我們國軍官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
6977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
6979.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
對於滲透手法的辨識能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
6979.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
6981.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
還有異常事件發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
6981.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
6982.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
然後敢不敢來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
6982.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
6983.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
6983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
6985.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
剛剛跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
6985.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
6986.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
您剛才講的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
6986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
6988.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
是100年到114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
6988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
6990.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
官兵反映的87% |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
6990.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
6992.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
都是官兵自己反映的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
6992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
6995.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
那我們從111年到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
6995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
6996.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
這五年期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
6996.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
6998.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
我們官兵從發現異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
6998.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
7000.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
察覺異常而反映的這個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
7000.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
7002.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
是高達9成1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
7002.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
7003.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
那這個顯示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
7003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
7005.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
我們的保防教育是有效果的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
7005.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
7006.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
那今天因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
7006.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
7008.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
中共透過網路上的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
7008.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
7010.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
一些訊息滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
7010.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
7011.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
讓我們官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
7011.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
7012.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
在不知覺的狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
7012.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
7013.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
會陷入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
7013.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
7014.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
就是其他的官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
7014.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
7016.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
同仁會發現他的異常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
7016.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
7017.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
他就會反映 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
7017.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
7018.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
但到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
7018.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
7019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
我們的這些訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
7019.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
7021.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
透過我們每兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
7021.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
7025.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
會有一個舉方式的愛國教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
7025.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
7026.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
保防教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
7026.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
7027.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
或是一些相關訊號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
7027.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
7028.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
在這個狀況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
7028.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
7030.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
事實上是有達到效果的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
7030.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
7033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
局長 那個國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
7033.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
7034.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
剛才副局長提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
7034.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
7036.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
大概9成是我們是內部保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
7036.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
7039.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
那我想這是個值得重視的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
7039.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
7041.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
因為本席還是想要請國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
7041.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
7042.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
能夠提出具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
7042.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
7044.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
教育的成效評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
7044.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
7046.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
包括情境的這個測驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
7046.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
7048.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
教育前後事變的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
7048.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
7050.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
還有異常事件的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
7050.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
7051.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
還有查證到的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
7051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
7054.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
以及我們通報後的處理情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
7054.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
7056.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
保防的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
7056.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
7057.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
不是完成課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
7057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
7058.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
不是上完舉方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
7058.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
7060.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
我們當國兵都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
7060.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
7061.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
每個禮拜四都有舉方原地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
7061.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
7063.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
那不是上完課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
7063.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
7064.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
或簽到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
7064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
7066.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
或是通過測驗就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
7066.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
7068.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
那而是你讓官兵面對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
7068.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
7070.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
特別是金錢誘惑的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
7070.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
7071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
網路接觸到這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
7071.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
7073.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
這些資料在所知的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
7073.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
7076.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
它能不能夠即刻的反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
7076.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
7077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
那如果我們宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
7077.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
7078.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
我們年年都在辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
7078.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
7080.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
可是沒有相關改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
7080.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
7084.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
這些可以降低風險的證據的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
7084.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
7085.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
我們就必須要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
7085.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
7087.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
我們這個方式是不是要再 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
7087.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
7088.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
做一些修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
7090.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
7091.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
再用一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
7091.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
7093.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
我還要再講一段時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
7093.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
7094.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
本期這邊提供一個實際的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
7094.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
7095.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
就是我們辦公室的同伙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
7095.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
7098.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
在收集這個網路公開資料的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
7098.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
7099.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
發現翠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
7099.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
7101.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
翠這個社群平台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
7101.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
7102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
有國軍招募人員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
7102.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
7104.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
發布這些徵才的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
7104.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
7108.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
那我想招募人員出於本於熱忱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
7108.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
7110.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
所以很熱心的在回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
7110.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
7111.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
那可是它回覆的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
7111.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
7112.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
我們這樣看來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
7112.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
7113.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
很多的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
7113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
7114.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
它可能會涉及到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
7114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
7115.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
你是什麼單位啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
7115.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
7116.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
做什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
7116.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
7118.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
這樣的訊息有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
7118.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
7121.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
它或許單單看是分散的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
7121.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
7123.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
但是我收集很多的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
7123.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
7125.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
它會拼湊成一些樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
7125.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
7126.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
包括說你的駐地單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
7126.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
7127.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
你的勤務任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
7127.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
7129.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
包括你的組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
7129.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
7130.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
這個有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
7130.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
7131.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
有沒有可能會做成這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
7131.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
7132.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
所以在這一塊上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
7132.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
7134.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
我想這邊也要反映給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
7135.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
7136.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
部裡面這邊來知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
7136.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
7138.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
是謝偉提醒這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
7138.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
7140.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
我們會再強調這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
7140.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
7141.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
特殊自行人員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
7141.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
7143.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
一些保防工作的交易 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
7143.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
7144.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
對因為可能真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
7144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
7146.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
招募人員非常辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
7146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
7148.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
他熱心他想要讓更多人來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
7148.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
7149.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
軍中服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
7149.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
7150.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
可是如果真的遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
7150.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
7151.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
有心人士呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
7151.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
7152.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
你根本就不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
7152.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
7153.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
對方的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
7153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
7155.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
他一直在問的相關議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
7155.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
7157.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
他沒有察覺的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
7157.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
7158.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
我一直丟出去丟出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
7158.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
7160.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
最後他收網起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
7160.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
7161.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
我就很清楚知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
7161.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
7163.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
你的單位在哪邊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
7163.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
7164.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
然後你單位有什麼編制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
7164.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
7165.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
你什麼勤務嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
7165.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
7166.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
是不是有這樣的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
7166.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
7168.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
對有這個可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
7168.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
7169.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
但是剛才跟你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
7169.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
7170.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
我們會針對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
7170.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
7172.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
招募人員的保防安全教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
7172.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
7174.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
做這些職能上的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
7174.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
7176.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
是謝謝因為實驗關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
7176.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
7177.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
所以就之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
7177.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
7179.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
會後一些資料再請局裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
7179.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
7180.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
這個來回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
7180.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
7181.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
沒問題沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
7181.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
7182.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
7182.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
7183.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
謝偉提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
7183.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
7184.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
再用這麼多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
7184.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
7185.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
感謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
7185.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
7186.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
7186.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
7188.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
謝謝黃建斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
7189.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
7190.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
好接下來我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
7190.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
7192.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
王定宇委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
7203.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
7204.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
7204.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
7206.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
麻煩國安局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
7206.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
7207.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
好局長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
7212.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
7213.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
好委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
7213.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
7214.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
局長早 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
7214.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
7215.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
你們在今年二月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
7215.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
7216.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
成立了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
7216.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
7218.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
九合一選舉安危專案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
7219.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
7220.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
7249.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
7250.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
7272.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
7274.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
有案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
7274.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
7275.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
有不少案例出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
7275.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
7276.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
有不少案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
7276.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
7277.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
7277.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
7278.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
所以這一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
7278.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
7280.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
希望在選前能夠有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
7280.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
7281.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
結果來產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
7281.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
7282.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
嚇阻的效用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
7282.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
7283.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
目前是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
7283.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
7284.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
那暴力的部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
7284.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
7285.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
暴力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
7285.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
7288.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
目前還沒有明顯的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
7288.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
7290.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
但也是我們在專案裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
7290.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
7292.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
希望警方可以特別注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
7292.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
7294.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
因為今年有不少的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
7294.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
7295.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
有黑道背景的人士參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
7295.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
7296.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
7296.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
7298.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
這一次具備紅統 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
7298.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
7300.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
或者黑道背景參選 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
7300.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
7301.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
還有家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
7301.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
7302.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
7302.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
7304.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
這兩個背景重疊的也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
7304.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
7305.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
7305.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
7307.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
然後甚至於有的被認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
7307.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
7309.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
依法認定不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
7309.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
7310.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
候選人資格的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
7310.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
7312.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
也有做了一些揚言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
7312.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
7314.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
當然那個是以扣持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
7314.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
7315.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
言詞上的恐嚇還是行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
7315.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
7316.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
這個是相關單據差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
7316.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
7317.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
7317.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
7318.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
但你們現在有沒有身高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
7318.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
7321.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
對於特定人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
7321.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
7324.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
或者特定場域的維安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
7325.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
7326.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
7326.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
7328.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
就國安局的維安來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
7328.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
7330.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
當然主要依照特勤條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
7330.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
7332.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
總統 副總統 家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
7332.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
7333.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
還有總統候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
7333.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
7334.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
7334.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
7336.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
但是委員講是關切九合一的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
7336.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
7338.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
那這一塊不是國安局的夜館 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
7338.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
7339.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
但是從國安的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
7339.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
7341.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
那我也跟警政署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
7341.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
7342.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
有過一些討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
7342.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
7343.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
7343.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
7344.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
必須要加強一些維安的部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
7344.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
7345.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
這部分是從國安的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
7345.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
7346.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
來維持選舉的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
7346.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
7348.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
我不問個別個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
7348.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
7350.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
目前警政署對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
7350.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
7351.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
九合一大選 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
7351.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
7352.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
當然中國屆選什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
7352.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
7353.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
國安局情報掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
7353.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
7354.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
那是一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
7354.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
7356.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
對於暴力的介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
7356.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
7359.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
或者對特定場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
7359.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
7360.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
特定團體或特定人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
7361.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
7361.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
7362.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
7364.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
哪一些個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
7364.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
7365.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
維安把它提升的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
7365.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
7366.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
好 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
7366.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
7368.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
那九合一的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
7368.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
7370.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
所有候選人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
7371.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
7371.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
安危 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
7401.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
7402.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
那至於他個人的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
7403.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
7406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
我們甚至會提供這個防彈衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
7407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
7408.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
你們會要求還是提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
7409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
7409.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
7410.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
7410.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
一定要穿上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
7411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
7411.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
一定是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
7412.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
7413.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
而且看他同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
7414.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
7414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
那要求穿上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
7415.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
7416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
穿的人被笑說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
7417.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
7417.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
台灣治安不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
7418.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
7418.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
你不會這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
7419.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
7419.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
那個是穿在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
7420.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
7420.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
是不會看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
7421.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
7422.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
看不到那防彈衣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
7423.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
7423.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
所以穿在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
7424.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
7425.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
所以我們會提供他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
7426.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
7427.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
必要的這一些的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
7428.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
7429.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
強化的維安的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
7429.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
7431.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
可是這一些裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
7431.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
7432.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
所以目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
7432.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
7434.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
你們有要求候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
7434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
7435.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
穿上防彈衣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
7435.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
7436.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
7436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
7437.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
我不用個別名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
7437.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
7438.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
我說有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
7438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
7439.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
如果說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
7439.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
7441.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
其實我們是有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
7441.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
7443.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
目前的數量是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
7443.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
7444.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
個位數 兩位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
7444.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
7445.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
個位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
7445.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
7446.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
對 個位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
7446.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
7447.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
7447.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
7449.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
五個以上還五個以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
7449.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
7450.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
7450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
7451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
五個以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
7451.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
7452.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
我再問就出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
7452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
7453.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
所以 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
7453.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
7454.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
我也知道你想要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
7454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
7455.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
7455.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
7457.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
對於這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
7457.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
7458.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
7458.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
7460.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
這個就是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
7460.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
7461.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
整個所有的預判 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
7461.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
7462.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
因為所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
7462.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
7463.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
不管是任何一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
7463.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
7465.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
候選人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
7465.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
7466.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
不是 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
7466.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
7468.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
因為你會要求他穿上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
7468.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
7470.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
當然會有一些預判跟預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
7470.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
7471.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
這個我是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
7471.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
7472.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
7472.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
7473.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
那預判跟預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
7473.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
7474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
要來自於部分的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
7474.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
7475.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
或者是局勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
7475.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
7476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
是否緊張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
7476.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
7478.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
尤其是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
7478.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
7479.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
暴露在外面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
7479.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
7480.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
公開的場合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
7480.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
7481.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
不管是在大型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
7481.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
7483.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
或者是在掃街的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
7483.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
7484.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
或者是這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
7484.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
7485.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
長時間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
7485.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
7487.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
這一些暴露在外面的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
7487.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
7488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
7490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
7491.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
這一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
7491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
7492.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
我先問最後一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
7492.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
7493.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
7493.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
7495.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
目前有沒有針對特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
7495.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
7497.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
場域特定的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
7497.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
7499.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
要求類似掃街造勢活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
7499.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
7500.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
希望他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
7500.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
7501.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
維安身高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
7501.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
7503.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
降低人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
7503.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
7504.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
或者要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
7504.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
7505.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
以前要做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
7505.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
7506.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
保護的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
7506.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
7507.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
目前有沒有到那個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
7507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
7509.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
我們的保護措施是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
7509.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
7510.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
我的維安是有提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
7510.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
7512.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
維安的這個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
7512.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
7513.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
如果說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
7513.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
7514.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
7514.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
7516.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
是這個場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
7516.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
7518.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
那個場合是比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
7518.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
7519.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
人數多的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
7519.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
7520.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
我們是有提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
7520.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
7521.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
這個維安的這個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
7521.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
7522.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
但是沒有要求說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
7522.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
7523.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
因為以前我們曾經 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
7523.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
7524.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
遇過造勢場合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
7524.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
7525.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
會勸那個對象說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
7525.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
7527.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
有情資出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
7527.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
7529.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
希望你不要握手啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
7529.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
7531.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
希望你不要走大進場啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
7531.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
7532.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
7532.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
7533.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
如果說有正確的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
7533.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
7534.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
現在有沒有到這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
7534.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
7535.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
如果說有正確的這個情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
7535.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
7536.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
當然也會去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
7536.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
7538.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
這樣的提供跟協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
7538.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
7539.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
目前還沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
7539.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
7540.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
目前還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
7540.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
7542.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
那當然都是要候選人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
7542.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
7543.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
這個整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
7543.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
7544.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
要尊重候選人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
7544.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
7545.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
因為署長在台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
7545.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
7546.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
我不要你上上下下啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
7546.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
7547.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
我一併問局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
7547.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
7548.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
因為我後面有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
7548.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
7549.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
要跟這有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
7549.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
7550.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我們發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
7550.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
7552.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
包含高金素梅同案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
7552.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
7554.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
重要被告張俊傑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
7554.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
7555.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
逃亡路線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
7555.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
7556.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
你們抓到很多個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
7556.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
7557.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
十多個了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
7557.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
7558.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
35個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
7558.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
7559.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
35個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
7559.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
7560.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
35個到案12個劑啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
7560.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
7561.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
7561.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
7562.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
所以那是很嚴重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
7562.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
7563.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
等於有一個網絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
7563.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
7564.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
一個Network |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
7564.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
7565.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
在幫助他逃亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
7565.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
7566.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
他涉犯的是共諜案耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
7567.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
7567.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
7568.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
7568.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
然後幫他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
7569.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
7570.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
我看都很多是黑幫的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
7571.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
7571.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
7572.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
7573.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
我們現在待會我要跟你請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
7574.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
7574.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
跨境鎮壓的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
7575.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
7575.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
在執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
7576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
7577.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
也有黑幫的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
7578.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
7578.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
特別是黑幫在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
7579.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
7580.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
有利益的或特定人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
7583.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
7585.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
兩位我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
7585.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
7586.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
要不要進行相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
7586.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
7587.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
掃黑的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
7587.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
7588.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
7588.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
7589.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
跟委員說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
7589.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
7590.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
7590.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
7591.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
委員講的沒有錯啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
7591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
7592.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
現在跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
7592.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
7594.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
主要都是黑道幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
7594.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
7595.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
或是跟黑道幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
7595.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
7597.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
有關的徵信社啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
7597.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
7598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
那就這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
7598.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
7599.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
我們都掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
7599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
7600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
特定的幫派名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
7600.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
7601.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
那我跟署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
7601.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
7602.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
也都有討論過啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
7602.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
7604.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
我們近期會針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
7604.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
7605.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
這些特定幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
7605.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
7606.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
進行掃蕩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
7606.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
7607.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
不是你這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
7607.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
7608.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
最好是待會就抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
7608.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
7609.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
否則跑光光了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
7609.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
7610.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
7610.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
7611.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
我們要抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
7611.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
7612.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
也有具體的事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
7612.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
7613.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
我們不是要抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
7613.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
7614.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
我們是在進行告示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
7614.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
7615.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
跟賀出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
7615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
7616.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
一種是抓特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
7616.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
7617.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
通緝犯啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
7617.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
7618.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
違法的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
7618.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
7619.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
一種是對黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
7619.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
7620.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
進行全面的壓制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
7620.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
7621.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
7621.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
7623.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
你黑道在怎麼弄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
7623.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
7624.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
你不能壓過白道嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
7624.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
7626.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
那這一些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
7626.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
7627.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
有個風吹草動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
7627.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
7628.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
今天機票就很難訂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
7628.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
7629.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
7629.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
7630.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
所以我當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
7630.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
7631.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
我在這邊沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
7631.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
7632.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
你講什麼時候行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
7632.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
7634.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
但現在黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
7634.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
7636.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
黑幫本來從事違法的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
7636.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
7637.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
本來違法就該抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
7637.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
7639.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
可是更惡劣的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
7639.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
7640.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
7641.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
7643.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
在出賣國家利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
7644.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
7645.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
配合中國的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
7645.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
7647.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
在進行對國家的顛覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
7647.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
7648.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
換身分證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
7648.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
7649.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
半貸款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
7649.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
7651.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
幫助共諜案的被告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
7651.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
7652.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
逃亡等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
7652.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
7654.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
甚至於發展組織等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
7654.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
7656.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
這樣子的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
7656.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
7657.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
罪無可赦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
7657.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
7659.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
所以你們要進行相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
7659.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
7660.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
掃黑動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
7660.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
7661.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
我們當然是支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
7661.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
7662.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
但是掃黑你們比較內行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
7662.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
7663.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
什麼樣的時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
7663.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
7664.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
怎麼樣發動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
7664.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
7665.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
然後什麼樣的規模 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
7665.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
7666.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
7666.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
7668.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
在選舉九合一大選前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
7668.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
7669.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
安定明星動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
7669.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
7670.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
是有必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
7670.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
7671.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
7671.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
7672.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
署長先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
7672.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
7673.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
我要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
7673.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
7674.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
7674.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
7675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
跨境鎮壓的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
7675.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
7677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
其實案件很多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
7677.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
7678.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
從最早黃之鋒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
7678.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
7679.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
當黃之鋒這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
7679.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
7680.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
優秀的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
7680.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
7682.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
現在關在香港那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
7682.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
7685.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
出獄的時間也遙遙無期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
7685.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
7686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
要講黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
7686.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
7687.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
中國共產黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
7687.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
7689.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
大概是全世界最大的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
7690.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
7691.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
黃之鋒當時要來臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
7692.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
7692.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
被暴力接擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
7694.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
7695.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
被用真性色跟蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
7696.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
7696.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
拍的相片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
7697.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
7698.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
丟給香港的媒體報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
7699.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
7700.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
表示他們在臺灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
7701.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
7702.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
可以跨境執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
7703.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
7704.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
可以跨境嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
7705.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
7705.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
他們要做這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
7706.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
7707.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
核運師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
7707.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
7709.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
來臺灣參加活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
7709.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
7711.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
就在凱道上面被潑紅漆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
7712.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
7712.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
那個也是黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
7713.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
7714.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
7714.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
7715.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
餐廳保護傘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
7715.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
7718.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
是支援香港黃雨傘行動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
7719.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
7719.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
被潑會務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
7720.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
7722.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
這個行動跟最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
7722.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
7724.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
這一個黃毅好案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
7724.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
7725.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
幾乎一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
7726.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
7727.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
7727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
7728.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
再來到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
7728.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
7729.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
這一個沈柏楊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
7729.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
7730.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
7730.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
7731.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
很不幸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
7731.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
7732.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
當時有一些國內的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
7732.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
7733.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
總是站在中國那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
7733.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
7734.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
嘲諷自己國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
7734.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
7735.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
7735.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
7736.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
沈柏楊是在確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
7736.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
7738.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
有香港人士出資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
7738.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
7739.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
請人監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
7739.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
7741.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
特別要拍到他的小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
7741.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
7743.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
他那個幼童 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
7744.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
7745.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
7745.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
7746.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
這兩天的黃毅好案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
7746.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
7747.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
竟然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
7747.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
7749.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
在那邊笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
7749.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
7750.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
笑國民黨沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
7750.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
7751.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
笑民進黨沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
7751.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
7752.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
笑民眾也沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
7752.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
7753.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
在臺灣民主政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
7753.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
7755.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
笑共和黨民眾也沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
7755.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
7756.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
講了習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
7757.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
7759.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
花錢叫人家要撞盪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
7759.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
7760.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
斷斷他的手腳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
7760.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
7761.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
這個你半點心鬼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
7761.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
7762.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
查出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
7762.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
7764.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
石板民夫被暴力攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
7764.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
7766.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
然後都從香港做跳板 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
7766.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
7767.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
很多那個港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
7767.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
7768.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
不是原港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
7768.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
7769.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
是新港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
7769.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
7770.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
也就是中國到香港 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
7770.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
7772.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
取得身份來執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
7772.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
7774.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
然後湯偉雄案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
7774.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
7775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
兩個香港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
7775.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
7777.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
到他的泰拳工作室 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
7777.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
7779.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
去潑東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
7779.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
7780.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
管建中案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
7781.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
7783.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
然後還有賴庭宇案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
7783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
7784.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
就是我們總統的孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
7784.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
7786.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
在美國被不當跟監 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
7786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
7788.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
美國FBI在辦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
7788.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
7789.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
7789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
7790.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
7790.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
7791.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
國安局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
7792.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
7793.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
這些跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
7793.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
7795.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
跟中國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
7795.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
7796.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
Fox Hunting |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
7796.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
7797.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
獵狐行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
7797.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
7799.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
是同一組系列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
7799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
7800.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
還是一個是針對特定人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
7800.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
7801.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
一個是不特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
7802.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
7803.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
沒有 我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
7803.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
7804.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
基本上這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
7804.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
7805.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
我們在處理跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
7805.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
7806.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
7806.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
7807.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
一個部分是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
7807.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
7808.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
那個案假如 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
7808.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
7809.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
我們這邊有情資的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
7809.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
7811.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
一定會立即通報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
7811.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
7812.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
檢警單位來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
7812.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
7813.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
必要的預防跟處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
7813.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
7814.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
兩個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
7814.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
7815.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
第一個要保護被害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
7815.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
7817.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
第二個要嚴懲加害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
7817.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
7818.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
7818.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
7819.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
根據個案的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
7819.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
7821.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
我們都保持密切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
7821.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
7822.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
專案小組之間的聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
7822.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
7823.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
針對個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
7823.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
7824.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
那第二部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
7824.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
7826.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
我們剛剛也稍微提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
7826.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
7827.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
是怎麼樣來針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
7827.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
7828.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
國內的協力者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
7828.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
7829.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
特別是黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
7829.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
7831.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
或是黑幫相關的真性社 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
7831.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
7832.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
來做一個必要的壓制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
7833.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
7833.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
也告警他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
7834.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
7834.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
知道這樣的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
7835.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
7835.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
是違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
7836.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
7836.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
那這個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
7837.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
7837.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
我們必須要釋放出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
7838.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
7838.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
所以警政署在前一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
7839.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7839.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
也召集了國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7840.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7841.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
所有的真性社到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7842.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7844.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
刑事局來進行法律的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7845.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7845.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
告警他們不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7846.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7846.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
有意或無意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7847.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7847.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
設一種案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7848.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7848.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
不叫而殺為之虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7849.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7849.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
說明很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7850.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7850.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
但最好的訊息傳遞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7851.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7851.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
就是執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7852.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7853.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
你違法就抓起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7854.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7854.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
最好的訊息傳遞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7855.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7856.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
就是違法者就是執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7857.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7857.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7858.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7858.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
所以要透過說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7859.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
我剛才列這些就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7859.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7860.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
我剛才列這些就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7862.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7863.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
我請教我們國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7864.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7864.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
或者我們相關勤工單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7865.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7865.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
對於跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7866.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7867.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
或者中國在歐美 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7868.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7868.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
進行的獵狐行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7869.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7871.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
有沒有哪些行為的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7872.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7872.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
你認為它這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7873.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7874.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
就屬於跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7875.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7875.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
然後我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7876.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7877.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
現有哪些法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7878.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7879.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
可以來進行法律制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7880.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
然後法律是不是有不足的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7882.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7882.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
你們有沒有修法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7883.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7884.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
提出跟需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7885.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7885.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
對 針對那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7886.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7886.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
跨境鎮壓的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7887.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7887.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
它的那個手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7888.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7888.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
一直在改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7889.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7889.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
傳統上當然是跟監 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7890.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
或暴力脅迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7890.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7892.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
那現在因為規避我們的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7892.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7894.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
開始有所謂製造假車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7894.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
那所以這部分的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7895.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7896.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
我們不只是國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7896.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7898.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
國安情報機關之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7898.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7899.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
有在分享相關的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7899.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7900.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
跟國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7900.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7901.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
我們也在交流相關的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7901.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
這大概第一部分的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7903.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7904.55 |
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第二部分的說明 |
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7904.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7905.55 |
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是在法律的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7905.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7908.55 |
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那現在因為沒有一個特定的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7908.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7910.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
來規範跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7910.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7911.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
所以能夠用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7911.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7912.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
大概都是刑法的傷害罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7912.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7914.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
重傷害 重傷害未遂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7916.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
公然暴力侮辱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7916.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7917.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
或是個資法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7917.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
或是處事犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7919.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7921.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
那把盡量相關的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7921.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7922.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
能夠盤點來用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7922.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7925.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
我們現在的法律是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7926.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7930.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
一般的刑法從149條到153條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7930.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
不管是妨礙秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7932.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7934.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
或者傷害等等這些罪行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7934.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7935.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
本來就有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7935.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7936.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
但坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7936.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7939.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
放在跨國跨境鎮壓偏輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7939.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7941.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
所以我們在反滲透法的第六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7941.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7942.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
有明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7942.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7944.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
從刑法149到153 |
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7944.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7946.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
或集有法31條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7946.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7947.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
犯那個罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7947.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
7948.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
那個差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7948.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
7952.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
你受我們陸海空軍刑法第十條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7952.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
7955.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
以及我們刑法的115之一吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7955.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7957.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
就是受境外敵對勢力的指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7958.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7959.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
資助或委託 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7960.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7962.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
來進行原來刑法的行為的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
7963.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7963.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
加重1% |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
7964.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7965.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
所以這一些進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7966.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7966.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
它如果背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
7967.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7968.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
有境外敵對勢力的指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7969.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7970.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
委託或資助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7971.93 |
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會加重1% |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
7972.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7973.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
可是我現在看的本刑如果偏低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
7974.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7975.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
你加重1%還是低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
7976.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
7978.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
那就對台灣造成的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7978.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7980.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
跟寒蟬效應是很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7980.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7981.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
所以你們有沒有具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7981.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7984.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
要跟法務單位提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7984.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7985.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
有我們有在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
7985.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7986.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
有跟法務在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7986.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7989.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
另外行政院也開始有在做初步的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
7989.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7990.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
什麼時候會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7990.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7992.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
我來瞭解一下進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7992.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7994.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
因為行政院已經有在召會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7994.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7995.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
因為這部分我們會提供我們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7995.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7996.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
反滲透法裡面對的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7996.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7999.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
針對到的是公投選舉罷免 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7999.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
8001.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
以及集會遊行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
8001.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
8002.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
或者其他受中國指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
8002.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
8004.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
介入我們民主活動的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
8004.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
8005.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
但坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
8005.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
8007.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
有些本刑真的偏低 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
8007.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
8009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
所以這種跨國跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
8009.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
8011.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
美國聯邦他們是用很重的罪在辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
8011.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
8013.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
所以我們修法我們是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
8013.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
8015.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
在這個會期看到你們把它提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
8015.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
8017.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
那我們也希望在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
8017.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
8019.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
大家政黨競爭OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
8019.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
8021.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
但是受境外指示來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
8021.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
8023.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
暴力或者金流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
8023.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
8025.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
我想沒有一個政黨應該去支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
8025.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
8026.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
所以你們儘速提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
8026.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
8027.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
我們到時候看看能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
8027.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
8029.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
順利復位順利來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
8029.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
8031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
因為主席已經站起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
8031.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
8032.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
那個局長你先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
8032.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
8034.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
我最好問兩個小問題就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
8034.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
8036.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
海軍署長能回答就回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
8036.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
8038.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
不能回答就說這個機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
8042.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
8043.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
來兩句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
8044.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
8047.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
菲律賓駐美國的副團長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
8047.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
8049.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
這一個Karino |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
8049.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
8051.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
他公開講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
8051.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
8054.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
要跟台灣政府合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
8054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
8057.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
保護海底電纜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
8057.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
8058.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
然後在那個場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
8058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
8060.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
美國特別問他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
8060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
8062.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
你是要跟台灣聯合巡邏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
8062.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
8065.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
或者是共同追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
8065.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
8068.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
也就是共同吃這個法律的樹追 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
8068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
8070.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
有沒有這個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
8070.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
8071.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
8071.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
8074.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
我們跟菲律賓海巡保持密切聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
8074.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
8077.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
因為在海上的搜救也要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
8077.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
8078.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
我們要再簡單來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
8078.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
8081.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
有沒有共同巡邏保護我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
8081.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
8083.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
這個海底電纜的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
8083.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
8084.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
這部分我們沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
8084.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
8086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
現在沒辦法對外說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
8086.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
8087.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
沒辦法說明我尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
8088.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
8089.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
8089.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
8090.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
破壞海底電纜的船 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
8090.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
8091.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
跑到他那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
8091.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
8093.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
破壞他的跑到我們這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
8093.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
8096.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
這種跨國之間的司法的執行追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
8096.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
8098.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
有沒有要進行合作的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
8098.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
8099.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
我們要簽約的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
8099.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
8101.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
我們非常期盼有這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
8101.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
8102.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
8102.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
8103.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
因為海底電纜破壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
8103.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
8105.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
有沒有開始談這個執法的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
8105.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
8106.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
這個法律樹追的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
8106.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
8109.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
我們談的話都是所有的海巡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
8109.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
8110.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
所有的整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
8110.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
8111.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
有沒有開始談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
8111.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
8112.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
我們是談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
8112.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
8113.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
包括海域執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
8113.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
8115.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
包括人道救援 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
8115.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
8116.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
已經開始談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
8116.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
8118.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
是整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
8118.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
8119.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
是整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
8119.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
8120.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
整體的談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
8120.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
8121.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
這個包在裡面嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
8121.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
8122.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
我們不能現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
8122.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
8124.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
不能明講說哪一項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
8124.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
8125.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
8125.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
8126.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
我們是整體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
8126.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
8128.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
都有在規劃做進一步的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
8128.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
8130.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
他在美國都講說有這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
8130.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
8132.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
但是我覺得這是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
8132.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
8133.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
鄰國之間本來就要守望相助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
8133.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
8135.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
有惡霸欺負我們的社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
8135.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
8136.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
守望相助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
8136.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
8138.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
是最起碼的基本款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
8138.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
8139.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
好 謝謝署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
8139.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
8140.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
8140.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
8140.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
謝謝王定宇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
8141.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
8141.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
我們休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
8142.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
8142.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
8178.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
8179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
8182.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
8183.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
8193.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
8194.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
8195.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
8197.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
8202.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
8204.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
8206.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
8207.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
8207.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
8208.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
8215.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
8217.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
8218.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
8219.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
8252.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
8254.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
8268.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
8269.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
8271.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
8273.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
8294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
8295.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
8295.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
8296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
8296.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
8297.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
8323.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
8325.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
邱局長告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
8351.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
8353.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
整個會不會op runt |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
8444.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
8449.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
好,我們繼續開會,請王安祥委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
8456.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
8458.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
好,感謝主席,有請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
8458.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
8459.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
8466.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
8468.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
好,謝謝主席,王委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
8468.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
8473.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
局長早,其實剛剛前面很多委員都在問跨境鎮壓的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
8473.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
8477.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
那這個今天早上我看到局長也有回應媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
8477.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
8481.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
局長是說是不是可以用反滲透來做修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
8481.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
8484.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
不過反滲透多半都是以竊選為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
8484.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
8487.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
對,竊選還有非法集會遊行或觀索 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
8487.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
8492.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
所以也有一些團體他在倡議反跨境鎮壓法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
8492.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
8495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
那剛剛那個局長也說好像院這邊有在研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
8495.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
8497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
有,有在召回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
8497.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
8499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
那他那個要件上,局長,你們大概有什麼樣的想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
8499.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
8501.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
就是怎麼樣成立的要件大概是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
8501.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
8506.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
目前還在討論,那現在主要是當然有一些傷害罪已經有既有的刑法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
8506.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
8510.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
那現在主要是這些傷害的行為,他是接受境外的指示或資助的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
8510.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
8512.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
那這樣的行為應該要加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
8512.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
8517.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
那像委員講的,到底要透過專法,還是透過現有的反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
8517.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
8521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
來加強相關的條文,那這個部分行政院有在召回研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
8521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
8525.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
是,剛剛前面很多委員也在關心這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
8525.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
8528.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
希望很快可以看到這個願板的出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
8528.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
8532.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
那接下來我大概就要是,就你們的報告上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
8532.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
8537.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
其實對你們的未來工作上有一項就是要優化對中勤資的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
8537.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
8542.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
對,勤收的作為,然後擴建內密情緒的一個管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
8542.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
8547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
那所以現在馬上,中共那個20屆的五中全會就要召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
8547.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
8555.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
那通常他都,他通常這個全會,基本上中聯會都是要做這個所謂的五年內的一些計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
8555.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
8562.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
他這次很奇怪,他基本上是,他講了一個持之以恆,推進重研治黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
8562.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
8563.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
對,對,對,非常特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
8563.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
8566.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
這個是不是這個局長跟我們說一下,你們大概知道的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
8566.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
8571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
那五中全會因為是在為明年21大鋪陳,所以我們有高度的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
8571.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
8576.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
照理來講,五中全會就歷來來講的話,應該要聚焦在經濟議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
8576.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
8581.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
但事實上因為四中全會已經處理了經濟議題,針對十五規劃有了完整的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
8581.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
8585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
所以就像委員講的,五中全會應該會比較聚焦在政治的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
8585.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
8588.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
那政治部分大概有幾個重點,跟委員報告說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
8588.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
8593.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
第一個部分可能會針對習思想跟習路線來提高他的政治的定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
8593.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
8598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
那第二部分是委員所提到的推動黨建,也就是重研治黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
8598.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
8606.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
那重研治黨他會比較著重在是包括反腐的鬥爭,還有相關的政治的這種監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
8606.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
8610.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
那來確保絕對的效忠,這大概第二重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
8610.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
8613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
那第三個重點可能是在人事的調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
8613.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
8618.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
那因為至少在這次五中全會要針對之前有八位的中央委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
8618.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
8621.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
還有三位的候補中央委員被雙開 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
8621.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
8624.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
那五中全會必須要利用這個機制把這些確認下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
8624.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
8626.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
那還要再開除40個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
8626.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
8631.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
對,這部分可能再看他在五中全會針對中央委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
8631.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
8635.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
有沒有再做一些逮捕,這大概也是這次全會的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
8635.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
8641.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
重慶市的前市長黃其帆好像很特別這一次,很多人都在討論他的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
8641.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
8645.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
但經濟上的很多政策跟他們的當局好像不大一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
8645.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
8647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
這是不是一個什麼樣的指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
8647.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
8649.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
有,這階段剛剛有跟委員提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
8649.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
8653.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
有可能在人事審查過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
8653.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
8657.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
可能政治的立場這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
8657.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
8659.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
以及有沒有貪色斧的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
8659.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
8662.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
或是他們在做人事布局的一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
8662.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
8665.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
那不過還是要看一下年底跟明年中,中間的中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
8665.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
8667.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
還有一些地方換屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
8667.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
8670.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
那那一批的官員也是我們在觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
8670.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
8674.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
後續會不會進入到比較政治核心的一個觀察重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
8674.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
8678.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
是,好,那另外一個就是我一直很這個關注一些軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
8678.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
8681.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
就數位的一個國土的防護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
8681.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
8684.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
那這個美國他在20號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
8684.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
8686.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
他有宣布一個就是全面禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
8686.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
8689.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
D-SIMC及其相關的關係企業的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
8689.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
8693.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
而且基於D-SIMC實作開發第三方產品跟服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
8693.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
8696.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
所以他似乎有擴大他的這個整個範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
8696.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
8699.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
那我們現在基本上是對那個軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
8699.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
8702.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
我不曉得對他衍生的一些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
8702.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
8704.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
不曉得現在國安局的看法是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
8704.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
8710.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
好,這部分大概我自己本人是在2023年的大概7月左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
8710.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
8712.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
針對我們局內本局裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
8712.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
8714.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
我只能管理我本局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
8714.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
8717.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
針對我們本局裡面在運用AI工具跟技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
8717.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
8719.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
我們做一些必要的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
8719.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
8721.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
那另外在運用AI上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
8721.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
8724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
我們有分一般的市面上的商規版 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
8724.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
8729.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
以及我們自己局內內建的內建版AI系統的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
8729.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
8733.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
那針對不同議題使用不同的系統來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
8733.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
8735.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
因為我上次質詢的時候就有問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
8735.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
8737.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
許長很多的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
8737.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
8739.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
因為現在有些是速發不在夜館 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
8739.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
8741.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
8741.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
8744.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
我們應該不是只禁止他的一些軟體的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
8744.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
8747.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
而是說他軟體衍生出來的一些資料或什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
8747.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
8750.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
不曉得局長有沒有什麼更好的一些想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
8750.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
8752.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
在國安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
8752.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
8754.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
當然AI工具的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
8754.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
8756.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
它有帶來便利性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
8756.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
8757.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
也有帶來一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
8757.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
8761.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
那便利性是AI的運用可以讓我們在做情收眼的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
8761.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
8762.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
可以更有效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
8762.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
8764.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
我們甚至可以用AI來懲治報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
8764.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
8768.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
符合到人工鑽寫報告的那種標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
8768.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
8773.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
那另外對於一些重要的情資影像大數據的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
8773.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
8775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
AI也讓我們提升很大的效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
8775.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
8778.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
那另外在網路正義訊息的查找上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
8778.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
8782.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
那個節省的提升的效能是無法想像的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
8782.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
8784.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
但是它也帶來一些風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
8784.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
8787.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
也就是我們的對手也會運用AI |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
8787.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
8788.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
會有一些錯誤的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
8788.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
8789.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
我指的就是這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
8789.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
8790.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
是是所以我們這部分也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
8790.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
8791.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
希望這邊好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
8791.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
8792.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
局長這邊好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
8792.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
8793.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
也可以做一些研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
8793.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
8796.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
最後當然就是我還是很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
8796.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
8798.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
現在大家都在講人事公務員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
8798.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
8801.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
因為我看到國安局在真人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
8801.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
8802.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
尤其是電子組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
8802.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
8803.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
我剛說的那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
8803.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
8805.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
好像每次都沒有招滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
8805.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
8808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
那不曉得局長有沒有什麼好的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
8808.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
8809.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
更好的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
8809.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
8811.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
讓大家現在年輕人願意去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
8811.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
8813.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
去這個報考國安局這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
8813.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
8816.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
國安局的中路管道一來當然就是國安特卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
8816.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
8819.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
一般文職學校的年輕同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
8819.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
8820.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
來加入我們行列 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
8820.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
8823.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
一部分就是軍中的徵才 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
8823.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
8825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
那另外一部分我已經所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
8825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
8829.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
有包括我們基層的情特隊士兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
8829.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
8831.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
士兵負責營區安全這一部分的招募 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
8831.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
8835.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
目前近年看下來招募的額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
8835.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
8838.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
都還有符合我們的需要的那個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
8838.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
8839.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
都還好目前還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
8839.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
8841.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
對因為大家現在都很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
8841.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
8842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
年輕人不會到過部門來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
8842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
8844.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
希望國安局為了要招募好的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
8844.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
8846.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
而且我們現在非常險峻 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
8846.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
8849.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
希望這個局長這邊會有一些更好的招募方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
8849.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
8850.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
謝謝我們有再改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
8850.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
8851.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
8852.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
8855.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
好謝謝王安祥委員的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
8855.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
8857.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
接下來請徐巧欣委員執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
8865.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
8866.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
8866.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
8869.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
那我們是不是能夠請國安局局長蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
8869.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
8870.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
8875.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
8876.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
好 徐委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
8876.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
8877.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
局長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
8877.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
8880.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
那我想今天首先要談一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
8880.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
8882.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
大家都非常關心的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
8882.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
8885.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
也就是台灣的脫口秀的知名委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
8885.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
8886.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
黃毅豪先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
8886.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
8891.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
那受到這樣的一個所謂跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
8891.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
8895.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
那無論如何他是受到了很多的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
8895.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
8896.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
的這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
8896.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
8900.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
那我想在這裡我們也要表達非常清楚的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
8900.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
8903.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
也就是對內在國內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
8903.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
8905.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
我們可能對於很多的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
8905.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
8906.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
會有不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
8906.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
8909.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
政黨傾向不同會有交鋒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
8909.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
8912.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
但是對外守護台灣人民的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
8912.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
8913.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
對於暴力零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
8913.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
8915.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
這是我們一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
8915.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
8918.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
而且這是一個最最最基本的底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
8918.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
8919.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
所以在這裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
8919.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
8923.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
也要請我們的國安局針對這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
8923.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
8928.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
以及相關其他可能跟潛在風險的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
8928.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
8930.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
那能夠積極的來查辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
8930.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
8931.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
給予最多的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
8931.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
8933.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
因為我們從過往的例子可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
8933.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
8936.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
有的時候警察系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
8936.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
8937.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
他從警察的方向去辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
8937.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
8940.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
他不一定能夠掌握到該事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
8940.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
8942.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
背後有的國安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
8942.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
8946.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
他必須要由我們的國安機構提供確切的訊息之後 |
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8946.36 |
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8949.36 |
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雙方結合在一起才可以查出真相 |
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8949.36 |
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8952.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
所以在這邊想要先請我們局長可以說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
8952.36 |
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8956.36 |
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那從最近幾起的案件發生到接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
8956.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
8959.36 |
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我覺得未來可能都還會有類似的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
8959.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
8961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
我們有什麼要積極的處置辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
8961.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
8963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
能夠加快相關的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
8963.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
8967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
跟我們警察相關的這個警察局相關的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
8967.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
8969.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
能夠共同辦案共同合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
8969.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
8972.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
力求很多的案件在最短的時間內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
8972.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
8975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
就讓我們國人知道哪一些案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
8975.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
8977.36 |
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他其實可能不只是單純的暴力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
8977.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
8980.36 |
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這個暴力之外還涉及到國安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
8980.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
8982.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
好謝謝薛委員的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
8982.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
8985.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
那因為這種跨境鎮壓確實像委員所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
8985.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
8988.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
那已經侵犯到我們台灣民主自由社會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
8988.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
8990.36 |
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基本的底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
8990.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
8991.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
那民眾都有言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
8991.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
8993.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
不應該批評特定的境外人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
8993.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
8995.36 |
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就在境內我們的國境之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
8995.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
8997.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
遭到相關的武力的脅迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
8997.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
8999.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
那另外第二個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
8999.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
9001.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
我們在處理上大概分兩個層次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
9001.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
9003.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
一個部分是委員剛所關心提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
9003.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
9005.36 |
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針對個案的查查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
9005.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
9008.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
那確實我們國內不管調查局或警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
9008.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
9011.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
對於國內的這些可能的幫派份子的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
9011.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
9013.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
還有背景脈絡都有明確的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
9013.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
9016.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
但是比較缺乏的就是跟境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
9016.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
9018.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
這種國安層次的連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
9018.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
9021.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
所以委員所剛剛所提到的這個特定的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
9021.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
9022.36 |
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老實跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
9022.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
9026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
一開始我們就跟警政署這邊建立非常密切的聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
9026.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
9027.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
有兩個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
9027.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
9031.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
我們針對當事人有提供加強的人身安全的維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
9031.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
9033.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
包括他要演出的場次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
9033.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
9035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
下半年幾乎全部都列出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
9035.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
9037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
那也會加強部署保護他的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
9037.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
9040.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
不要讓這種暴力侵犯得逞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
9040.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
9043.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
因為他在去年就已經被潑漆潑糞恐嚇了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
9043.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
9045.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
那這是案例的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
9045.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
9049.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
那第二部分是我們有特別在注意的是整體的態樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
9049.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
9053.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
那因為目前協力的在地人士大概都有黑幫背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
9053.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
9056.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
或是跟黑幫有關係的徵信社 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
9056.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
9058.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
所以這部分我們有掌握名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
9058.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
9059.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
那也跟警政署討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
9059.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
9067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
我們希望能夠來壓制這些黑幫去協力境外的這種跨國鎮壓的這種風氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
9067.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
9071.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
所以我們會進行必要的一些掃蕩來警示黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
9071.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
9073.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
讓他們知道一旦涉入這樣的案件的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
9073.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
9077.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
可能會遭到非常嚴厲的法律的懲處 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
9077.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
9079.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
那另外徵信社的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
9079.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
9083.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
那警政署這邊大概在幾個月前也召集全國的徵信社來告警他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
9083.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
9089.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
一旦你不管是有意或無意的去協助境外人士來進行這種境內國內的鎮壓的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
9089.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
9091.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
他可能法律風險是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
9091.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
9096.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
那所以我們希望透過個案的查查以及整體的這些案況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
9096.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
9098.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
跟警方的密切的聯繫合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
9098.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
9103.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
能夠避免黑幫或是跟黑幫協力的徵信社投入這樣的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
9103.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
9105.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
達到一個遏制的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
9105.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
9107.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
好那所以我們把它分成幾個階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
9107.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
9114.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
第一個是事情發生之前的整體的搜查調查跟我們的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
9114.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
9118.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
然後如果真的有發生這樣的事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
9118.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
9124.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
第一時間我們的調查溝通以及對於相關人士的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
9124.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
9126.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
那第三階段就是說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
9126.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
9132.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
我們相關的法律可以對於這些犯法暴力的集團跟分子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
9132.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
9135.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
那提出非常嚴厲的包含是刑責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
9135.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
9139.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
讓他們知道他們做這件事情是不對的而且要付出代價 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
9139.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
9141.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
我覺得分成這三個層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
9141.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
9144.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
那所以呢在這裡也表達我個人的立場就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
9144.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
9148.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
如果對於跨境鎮壓的相關的刑責要提高的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
9148.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
9150.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
我是絕對贊成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
9150.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
9153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
因為台灣社會不管你是境外還是境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
9153.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
9158.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
我們本來就不容許任何傷害他人言論自由以及暴力的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
9158.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
9165.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
那如果是來自境外勢力要對於台灣的人民造成更多所謂暴力的傷害的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
9165.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
9169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
那本來我們國家就有必要有法律來進行制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
9169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
9172.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
讓他們知道做這些事情要付出代價 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
9172.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
9178.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
也讓所謂在地協力者或說協助境外勢力來進行暴力的這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
9178.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
9181.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
他們知道這件事情是絕對不可以做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
9182.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
9184.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
我們對於暴力是零容忍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
9184.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
9186.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
那所以要拜託我們局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
9186.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
9189.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
接下來關於相關人士的人身安全等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
9189.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
9191.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
包含我們的警察局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
9191.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
9194.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
那都可以更密切的來注意來保護他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
9194.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
9196.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
那在這裡表達我們的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
9196.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
9199.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
那最後一點點時間我想要問一下有關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
9199.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
9202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
因為先前那個外交部的資安出漏洞嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
9202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
9204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
然後有看到這個大陸的原始碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
9204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
9207.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
那檢調也搜索十處約談十個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
9207.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
9209.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
我想要問一下相關細節我就不贅述 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
9209.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
9214.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
我們國安單位怎麼樣去提供這些對於資安防護的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
9214.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
9217.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
或者是說你的這種ranking的等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
9217.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
9219.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
能夠給我們相關的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
9219.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
9223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
因為這個事情出了漏洞當然是外交部他們要負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
9223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
9225.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
可是我覺得我們國安單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
9225.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
9228.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
我們做這種資訊的提供跟這種防範的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
9228.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
9231.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
要提高我們各部會的資安的意識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
9231.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
9233.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
因為這個很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
9233.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
9234.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
因為不然我只處理外交部的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
9234.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
9235.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
我本來每天交同類 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
9235.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
9237.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
我就覺得無所謂我就做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
9237.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
9240.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
那怎麼樣讓這些我們的不同的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
9240.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
9243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
都知道他們平常日常在做的事情的資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
9243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
9245.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
要如何評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
9245.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
9248.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
因為時間的關係是不是可以請局長簡短幫我們回覆一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
9248.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
9250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
就是那個因為這案子檢調已經在調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
9250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
9251.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
我就不談個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
9251.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
9252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
對不談個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
9252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
9253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
那我講的沒有錯啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
9253.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
9255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
就國安局來講保密通訊安全是我們的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
9255.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
9259.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
那各部會當然有它的相關的資安的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
9259.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
9260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
自己做資安的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
9260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
9264.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
但是外館因為它很有可能傳輸的是重要機密的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
9264.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
9268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
所以國安局這邊會幫外館在另外建置保密通聯的系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
9268.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
9269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
那也希望外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
9269.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
9270.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
是已經建置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
9270.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
9271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
已經建置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
9271.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
9272.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
那已經建置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
9272.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
9275.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
那他們就是說這次的這個漏不談個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
9275.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
9278.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
但是這次漏洞是屬於你剛剛講的這個規劃的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
9278.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
9279.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
還是說是另外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
9279.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
9283.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
另外的也就是說外館它都會有它自己的資訊通訊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
9283.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
9284.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
包括email |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
9284.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
9287.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
因為你要跟外國友方聯絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
9287.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
9288.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
它就是用一般的email |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
9288.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
9292.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
那但是我們對於外館要報回國內的重要的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
9292.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
9295.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
我們是有我們的保密通訊的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
9295.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
9297.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
那我們國內自己的資安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
9297.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
9300.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
怎麼樣去協助這些部會去取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
9300.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
9302.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
或是選擇一個比較合適跟安全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
9302.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
9303.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
9303.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
9305.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
因為我們也不希望說今天外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
9305.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
9306.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
那明天其他的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
9306.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
9307.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
是一個一個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
9307.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
9309.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
其實這不只是資安漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
9309.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
9310.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
或許它所傳輸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
9310.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
9312.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
不像我們剛剛講的外館這麼的機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
9312.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
9316.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
但是這給國人一個很不好的一個傳遞的印象 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
9316.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
9318.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
對這大概分兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
9318.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
9321.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
一個部分是蘇發部的資安署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
9321.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
9324.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
那對於全國各個政府機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
9324.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
9326.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
或是重要的資安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
9326.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
9327.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
都有一個通報機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
9327.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
9328.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
那有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
9328.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
9329.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
那大概資安署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
9329.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
9331.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
就會有人力來進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
9331.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
9333.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
做必要的資安的查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
9333.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
9335.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
那假如涉及到犯罪的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
9335.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
9338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
也會請調查局來進行協查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
9338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
9339.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
所以從案例的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
9339.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
9343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
我們希望能夠讓各部會更了解到資安的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
9343.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
9345.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
那第二的層面就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
9345.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
9348.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
比較全面的資安的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
9348.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
9351.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
那讓各部會能夠協同到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
9351.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
9354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
我們的資安署的相關的見解的那些規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
9354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
9357.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
來讓各部會的資安環境能夠更健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
9357.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
9360.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
所以大概可以從這兩個部分來持續的強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
9360.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
9362.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
好那其實這是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
9362.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
9365.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
也希望國安局可以持續協助各部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
9365.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
9367.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
去提升大家的資安等級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
9367.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
9369.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
跟降低相關的風險好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
9369.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
9370.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
請繼續努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
9370.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
9371.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
好謝謝學委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
9372.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
9375.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
徐曉欣委員接下來我們請郭育瑾委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
9385.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
9387.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
好謝謝主席有請局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
9387.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
9388.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
9395.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
9396.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
好郭委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
9396.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
9397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
好局長早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
9397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
9400.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
我想昨天的這一起這個新北 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
9400.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
9403.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
那意見組起訴了這件案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
9403.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
9404.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
其實令人毛骨悚然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
9404.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
9408.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
然後我想這一位台灣的這個相聲的演員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
9408.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
9410.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
那黃毅豪他在舞台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
9410.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
9413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
因為諷刺這個中共跟這個習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
9413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
9416.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
然後遭到了這個中國的境外勢力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
9416.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
9418.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
花費了45萬元的一個台幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
9418.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
9420.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
等於是跨海來買胸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
9420.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
9421.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
可以這麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
9421.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
9424.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
對那進行非常的寫實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
9424.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
9426.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
而且令人覺得非常惶恐的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
9426.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
9428.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
所謂的這個跨境的鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
9430.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
9432.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
那我想他這個之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
9432.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
9436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
這一群幫兇其實在這個黃先生他的這個車上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
9436.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
9440.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
有安裝所謂的這個GPS的一個定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
9440.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
9444.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
那另外也企圖用所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
9444.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
9446.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
假車禍或是偵車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
9446.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
9449.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
然後也恐嚇他就是要打斷他的手腳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
9449.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
9452.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
讓他之後沒有辦法再上台演出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
9452.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
9454.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
那我想這已經不是一般的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
9454.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
9456.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
所謂的治安的車禍的一個案件了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
9456.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
9460.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
那這個其實也透過他們這樣子的一個行徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
9460.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
9463.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
那之前也有在這個跨海 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
9463.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
9467.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
叫做波芬、波7等等這樣子的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
9467.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
9471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
那在這裡其實是一個非常恐怖的一種滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
9471.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
9473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
那我想在這裡請教一下局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
9473.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
9475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
因為這件案件其實也透露了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
9475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
9478.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
我等一下要問的這個三個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
9478.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
9480.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
那我想這個三大盲區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
9480.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
9482.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
包含就是他的金流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
9482.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
9484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
還有他的通訊的一個盲區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
9484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
9486.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
那我想中共利用所謂的虛擬貨幣也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
9486.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
9488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
或者是通訊的這個軟體也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
9488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
9490.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
他從境外遠端的下單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
9490.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
9493.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
然後再來結合台灣的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
9493.04 |
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9495.04 |
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跟所謂的退役的真性社 |
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9495.04 |
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9497.04 |
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那在境內接單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
9497.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
9500.04 |
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那當所謂的這個外包的現名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
9500.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
9504.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
他們設這樣子的一種所謂的斷點的犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
9504.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
9508.04 |
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那我想國安局事前有沒有經過情搜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
9508.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
9511.04 |
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或者是我們有沒有任何的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
9511.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
9513.04 |
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可以來做預警這是第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
9513.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
9514.04 |
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那第二個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
9514.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
9516.04 |
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他利用所謂的車禍也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
9516.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
9517.04 |
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或者是撥分也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
9517.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
9520.04 |
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其實他是來規避反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
9520.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
9522.04 |
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那另外也規避這個國安法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
9522.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
9524.04 |
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那我們國安局這邊如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
9524.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
9527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
只能把它當成一般的社會的一個糾紛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
9527.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
9531.04 |
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只是給所謂的基層的員警去查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
9531.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
9534.04 |
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我想這個層級其實是真的完全是不夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
9534.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
9538.04 |
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第三個因為這位這個黃演員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
9538.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
9542.04 |
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他有說他在11月他還會在登台的這個表演 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
9542.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
9545.04 |
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那但是他其實也做了這個寒蟬效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
9545.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
9547.04 |
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這個寒蟬效應他居然要在現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
9547.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
9551.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
要發所謂的防波史的羽衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
9551.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
9553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
這個對於台灣民主來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
9553.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
9555.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
其實是非常大的一個諷刺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
9555.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
9558.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
那針對這三點請教一下這個局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
9558.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
9560.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
我們有沒有什麼樣的因應之道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
9560.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
9563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
因為這個其實是非常嚴重的一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
9563.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
9565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
對因為跨國增加的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
9565.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
9567.04 |
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是對我們民主法治社會一個嚴重的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
9567.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
9570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
那讓民眾處於一種恐慌的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
9570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
9572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
那所以國安局這邊大概我們都有列管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
9572.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
9574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
那針對這些個案的列管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
9574.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
9577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
我們跟警政署這邊都有一個及時情資分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
9577.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
9580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
跟保護當事人的一些規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
9580.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
9582.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
所以以這個個案來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
9582.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
9583.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
當事人我們在第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
9583.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
9586.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
因為他去年就已經被威脅恐嚇潑氣潑糞了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
9586.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
9589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
所以已經有列入專案的一個管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
9589.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
9592.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
那包括他人身的安全的維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
9592.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
9593.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
我們把他所有的引出場次 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
9593.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
9594.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
大家都已經列出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
9594.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
9596.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
那有跟警方去討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
9596.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
9598.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
怎麼樣提供他個人人身保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
9598.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
9601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
以及他出入場所周邊的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
9601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
9604.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
因為怕有現行犯沒有辦法逮捕他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
9604.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
9606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
所以這部分大概都有做一些前置的部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
9606.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
9609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
那我只是用這個個案來讓委員稍微知道一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
9609.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
9612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
針對這些跨國鎮壓的這些案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
9612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
9615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
我們國安機關跟警政署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
9615.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
9618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
大概都有一個密切聯繫通報的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
9618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
9621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
那有沒有另外一個更明確的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
9621.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
9622.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
比方說我剛剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
9622.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
9624.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
他其實是透過境外的一個金流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
9624.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
9627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
那這個部分的金流我們怎麼樣阻斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
9627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
9629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
對這部分必須要先有情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
9629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
9634.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
那另外再從涉案人士他的數位激政去還原 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
9634.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
9637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
是不是有境外的指示還有金流的挹注 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
9637.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
9640.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
那以相關個案來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
9640.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
9641.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
有掌握這樣的市政的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
9641.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
9645.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
你比較能夠去勾連到所謂的境外勢力的指使跟支柱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
9645.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
9647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
那這個法律要件的構成不太容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
9647.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
9649.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
必須跟老實跟委員承認不太容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
9649.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
9650.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
因為他是在境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
9650.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
9652.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
那不過幾個案例下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
9652.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
9655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
也在這部分的市政的蒐集 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
9655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
9656.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
有出現一些突破 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
9656.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
9657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
這大概是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
9657.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
9659.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
那有沒有因為這個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
9659.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
9661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
其實我們也組成了所謂的跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
9661.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
9662.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
對我們在累積經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
9662.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
9665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
我們是不斷的在處理個案當中去累積經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
9665.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
9667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
那第二部分委員有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
9667.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
9670.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
那這種案子不應該由基層的員警 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
9670.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
9674.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
去用一般的刑事犯件或民事糾紛去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
9674.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
9675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
所以以這個個案來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
9675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
9677.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
事實上因為他已經被我們列管了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
9677.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
9679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
所以當基層員警在第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
9679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
9681.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
以為只是行車糾紛報回來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
9681.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
9683.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
警政署馬上通報我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
9683.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
9684.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
那我們經過比對發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
9684.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
9686.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
案官相關人士他是有黑套背景的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
9686.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
9689.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
那在建立部的麻煩警政署基層的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
9689.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
9691.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
去調閱相關的監視率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
9691.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
9694.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
你會發現確實是一個組織犯罪的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
9694.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
9695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
所以這個案子也凸顯出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
9695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
9699.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
我們不是只是讓基層員警去處理這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
9699.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
9700.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
透過警方內部的通報機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
9700.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
9703.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
以及本局跟警方的通報機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
9703.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
9705.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
我們會用國安的角度來看待這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
9705.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
9708.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
所謂跨國鎮壓案件的偵辦跟查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
9708.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
9711.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
那第三部分是法律的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
9711.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
9714.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
法律的部分確實有一些限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
9714.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
9716.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
剛才我也一再的跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
9716.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
9718.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
如果用的大概是刑法傷害罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
9718.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
9721.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
暴力恐嚇或是各知法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
9721.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
9723.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
或是組織犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
9723.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
9725.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
因為組織犯罪是重刑五年以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
9725.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
9727.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
所以台中的案子就有用到組織犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
9727.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
9730.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
那不過早上再跟委員說明報告的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
9730.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
9733.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
假如能夠有專法或是反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
9733.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
9736.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
在這個跨國鎮壓的部分能夠加重刑責的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
9736.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
9738.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
那國安局的立場是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
9738.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
9740.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
那行政院已經有召會再做相關討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
9740.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
9742.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
我們會把我們國安的關切跟考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
9742.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
9744.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
跟院方來做一些分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
9744.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
9747.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
好 因為接著下來其實是選舉快到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
9747.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
9748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
只是他最後的37天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
9748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
9751.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
其實我們還是要研訪有更大規模的滲透 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
9751.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
9754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
跟更大規模組織性的一些活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
9754.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
9756.04 |
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那我想這個部分可能還是要請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
9756.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
9758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
我們的國安局跟其他的跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
9758.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
9761.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
我們相關的部會其實要特別的防範這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
9761.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
9763.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
對 我們有在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
9763.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
9764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
因為是人身安全的維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
9764.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
9766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
因為這是警政署的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
9766.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
9768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
那他們對於一些特定候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
9768.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
9769.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
都有一些人身安全的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
9769.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
9771.04 |
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當然要尊重候選人意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
9771.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
9775.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
那第二部分是有一些跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
9775.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
9776.04 |
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涉入到的都是黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
9776.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
9779.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
那這部分我們也會有一波的掃蕩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
9779.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
9781.04 |
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就是我剛剛說的組織性的一個活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
9781.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
9782.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
對 那個氣勢壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
9782.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
9783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
所以這個要小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
9783.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
9785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
好 謝謝 謝謝局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
9785.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
9788.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
好 謝謝郭育勤委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
9788.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
9791.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
接下來我們請陳冠廷委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
9802.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
9803.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
你好 我們請局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
9803.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
9804.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
9811.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
9812.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
好 蔡委員早 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
9812.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
9815.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
局長 這些剛才好多我們的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
9815.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
9817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
都有提到這個跨境鎮壓的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
9817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
9820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
對 那也有提到這一次這個喜劇演員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
9820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
9825.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
然後受這種類似假借假車禍要把人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
9825.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
9829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
應該是做這種跨境的鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
9829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
9832.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
這樣的狀況你們事前有掌握到情資嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
9832.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
9833.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
有 有 剛有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
9833.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
9835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
因為他的這個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
9835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
9838.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
因為他去年就發生波及波份了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
9838.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
9840.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
那因為有跨境鎮壓的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
9840.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
9841.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
所以我們這邊已經列管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
9841.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
9845.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
那在後續又有製造假車禍的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
9845.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
9847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
案件出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
9847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
9848.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
繼承員警一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
9848.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
9851.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
他沒有辦法判斷這是有國安疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
9851.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
9852.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
但是通報到警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
9852.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
9853.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
警政署再通報我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
9853.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
9856.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
我們再比對涉案人士的黑道背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
9856.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
9858.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
那我們就認為這有國安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
9858.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
9861.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
那請警政署再進一步加強查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
9861.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
9862.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
讓發現背後的這個網絡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
9862.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
9864.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
去調閱相關的錄影帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
9864.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
9868.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
來看他製造假車禍的一個行為樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
9868.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
9871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
包括有人在一天前就開始去常看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
9871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
9874.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
那以及現場製造車禍的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
9874.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
9877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
那這個部分我看最近這兩天的影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
9877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
9880.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
大概都有做一些公布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
9880.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
9884.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
所以基本上在波及的這個狀況的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
9884.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
9885.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
你們就已經有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
9885.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
9886.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
對 這次跨境鎮壓案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
9886.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
9887.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
我們就列管了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
9887.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
9889.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
但是你們列管到他們執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
9889.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
9891.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
更進一步的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
9891.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
9893.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
對 大概過了多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
9893.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
9895.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
事實上在列管之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
9895.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
9897.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
對於當事人的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
9897.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
9899.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
就已經開始加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
9899.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
9901.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
誰負責加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
9901.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
9902.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
抱歉 委員剛剛講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
9902.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
9903.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
誰負責加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
9903.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
9905.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
警方就開始加強保護了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
9905.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
9907.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
因為你們把他之前被波及的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
9907.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
9909.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
你們就把他有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
9909.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
9911.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
有可能是跨境鎮壓的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
9911.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
9912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
所以你們把這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
9912.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
9913.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
已經先給警方了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
9913.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
9916.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
對 所以警方就可以做事先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
9916.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
9919.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
在進一步傷害之前的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
9919.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
9921.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
或者是加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
9921.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
9923.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
但是在事情發生之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
9923.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
9925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
你說你又把這個樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
9925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
9926.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
因為他們不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
9926.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
9929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
這可能是跨境的國安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
9929.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
9930.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
那你就矛盾了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
9930.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
9932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
你如果事前已讓警方知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
9932.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
9934.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
他有跨境鎮壓的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
9934.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
9935.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
那事後你又說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
9935.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
9937.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
他們不了解有這樣的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
9937.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
9939.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
所以你們事後再給他這樣的情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
9939.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
9940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
那你是事前已經給了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
9940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
9941.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
還是事後再給了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
9941.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
9942.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
因為事前的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
9942.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
9944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
大概就已經針對他後續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
9944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
9946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
我們當時是判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
9946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
9949.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
假如他要去針對當事人進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
9949.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
9951.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
一些攻擊的行為的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
9951.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
9953.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
應該會在他的表演場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
9953.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
9954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
因為他在過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
9954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
9956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
頗氣頗憤的就是他表演場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
9956.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
9957.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
要公然的恐嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
9957.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
9959.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
或在他表演完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
9959.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
9961.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
來脅迫他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
9961.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
9962.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
那這大概是出盤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
9962.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
9964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
所以後續在保護的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
9964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
9965.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
是針對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
9965.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
9967.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
在公開表演的時候提供保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
9967.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
9969.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
那當然這一次受到傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
9969.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
9972.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
是他在個人在家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
9972.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
9974.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
周邊活動的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
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被製造了這個假車禍 |
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那所以是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
9978.83 |
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針對他的假車禍 |
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是當地的管區的員警 |
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那管區員警第一時間 |
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可能當然就以為是一般的 |
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車禍事件來處理來做通報 |
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但是我們後來知道 |
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我講這個東西不是要這個 |
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來指責或者是說 |
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9992.83 |
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國安局沒有做到什麼保護 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
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因為我們根本無法去判定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
9994.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
9997.83 |
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中國會這麼快速的上升情勢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
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因為過去來看 |
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9998.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
10000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
中國對於境外的這些鎮壓 |
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10000.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
10003.83 |
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它還是傾向於非直接暴力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
10005.83 |
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而是用間接的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
10006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
用恐嚇的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
10006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
10009.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
潑會器物的等等的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
10009.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
10011.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
會物的等等的方式來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
10011.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
10013.83 |
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也就是說他們有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
10013.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
10015.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
一定程度的來去做威嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
10017.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
而不是實質上的暴力行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
10017.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
10019.83 |
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但是近年我們已經有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
10019.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
10020.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
它往上提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
10022.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
就是escalate嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
10022.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
10023.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
這個狀況已經出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
10023.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
10026.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
這個這樣子的認定有沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
10026.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
10027.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
許長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
10027.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
10029.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
對 我今天早上跟媒體在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
10029.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
10031.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
也是講我們認為是升溫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
10031.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
10032.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
已經在升溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
10032.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
10034.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
它從過去的恐嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
10034.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
10037.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
或者是說用這種隱藏的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
10037.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
10039.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
來去讓人噤聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
10039.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
10041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
到現在是直接用暴力喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
10041.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
10043.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
那過去的暴力是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
10044.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
10046.18 |
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就是用肢體上面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
10046.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
10048.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
像是之前那個失敗名副 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
10048.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
10050.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
可能是用呼發展之類的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
10050.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
10052.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
到上升到假車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
10052.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
10054.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
那假車禍的意思是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
10054.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
10057.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
就是它的輕重可能會超越他們的控制喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
10057.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
10059.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
因為當你是車禍的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
10059.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
10061.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
你沒有辦法去拿捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
10061.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
10063.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
你到之後的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
10063.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
10065.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
或者是成果會是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
10064.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
10066.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
所以過去中國是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
10066.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
10068.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
某種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
10068.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
10071.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
他們是限度型的來去做跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
10071.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
10073.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
他們現在已經快要接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
10073.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
10075.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
沒有限度的去鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
10075.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
10077.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
那哪一些國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
10077.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
10079.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
最會做這些事情喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
10079.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
10081.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
俄羅斯在英國倫敦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
10081.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
10083.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
基本上參與策劃了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
10083.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
10085.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
多起的暗殺事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
10085.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
10087.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
而且都是成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
10087.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
10089.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
也就是說過去在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
10089.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
10091.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
英國倫敦發生的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
10091.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
10093.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
不管是他們的前情報員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
10093.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
10095.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
在英國受到庇護的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
10095.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
10097.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
直接被神經毒素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
10097.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
10099.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
或者是放射性物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
10099.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
10101.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
來去做暗殺的作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
10101.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
10103.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
暗殺之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
10103.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
10105.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
除了目標人物本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
10105.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
10107.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
民眾,一般民眾喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
10107.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
10109.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
不是異議份子,都受到波及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
10110 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
10112 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
所以我必須要講說這個跨境鎮壓已經不是用鎮壓這兩個字了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
10113.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
10115.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
他現在已經上升到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
10115.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
10117.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
甚至有可能會成為跨境的暗殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
10117.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
10119.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
甚至是殺害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
10119.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
10121.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
相關的異議人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
10121.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
10123.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
所以怎麼樣把這樣的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
10123.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
10125.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
那透過,已經不僅是國安局的這個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
10125.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
10127.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
國安局的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
10127.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
10129.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
就第一個要讓情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
10129.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
10131.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
趕快的給當地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
10131.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
10133.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
我們的這些警政單位來去做防護 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
10133.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
10135.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
但是現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
10135.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
10137.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
必須要由包含入委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
10137.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
10139.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
要嚴正的跟中方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
10139.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
10141.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
來去交涉喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
10141.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
10143.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
要在這樣的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
10143.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
10145.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
再往上延燒的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
10145.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
10147.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
那後果是不堪設想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
10147.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
10149.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
那對台灣人民的這個影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
10149.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
10151.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
日常生活的直接影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
10151.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
10153.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
以及對我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
10153.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
10155.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
接下來,不管是地方選舉的大選 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
10155.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
10157.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
或者是國政的大選喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
10157.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
10159.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
就是中央的立法委員跟總統的大選 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
10159.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
10161.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
每一個人都有可能受到威脅喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
10161.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
10163.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
所以這已經在考驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
10163.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
10165.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
除了說我們得知情報的能力之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
10165.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
10167.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
還有我們的防護能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
10170.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
10172.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
跟我們的應變能力喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
10172.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
10174.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
這個是非常嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
10174.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
10176.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
因為我還是要再強調喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
10176.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
10178.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
過去中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
10178.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
10180.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
他在跨境的鎮壓的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
10180.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
10182.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
他基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
10182.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
10184.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
是限度型的鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
10184.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
10186.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
現在已經沒有限度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
10186.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
10188.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
還在升溫當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
10188.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
10190.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
當你看到這個假車禍之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
10190.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
10192.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
他的下一步可能就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
10192.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
10194.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
會讓人不是傷殘而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
10194.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
10196.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
所以這個升溫的狀況你們掌握到什麼程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
10196.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
10198.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
這個是個別事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
10198.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
10200.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
10200.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
10202.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
中共有系統的準備要升溫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
10202.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
10204.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
得獎,兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
10204.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
10206.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
就個別案件的查查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
10206.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
10208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
剛好已經跟委員說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
10208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
10210.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
我們大概都有做一些列管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
10210.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
10212.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
但是我們還是會跟警方及時來分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
10212.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
10214.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
讓警方可以採取必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
10214.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
10216.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
預防的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
10216.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
10218.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
或是後續之後的查處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
10218.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
10220.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
那第二部分是委員剛剛質詢的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
10220.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
10222.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
對於他的那個手法太樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
10222.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
10224.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
是不是有不斷的在變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
10224.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
10226.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
那我們認為確實有不斷的在變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
10226.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
10228.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
因為一般所謂的跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
10228.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
10230.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
一開始是用恐嚇的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
10230.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
10232.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
台中的案子顯示的是暴力的脅迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
10232.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
10234.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
暴力的攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
10234.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
10236.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
但暴力的攻擊他又會違反我們的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
10236.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
10238.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
所以他又開始去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
10238.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
10240.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
所以這個法律變成是製造假策獲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
10240.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
10242.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
那所以這個整個手法樣態的轉變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
10242.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
10244.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
是我們有在觀察的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
10244.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
10246.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
現在我基本上可以這麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
10246.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
10248.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
有限度已經到了接近無限度了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
10248.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
10250.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
還在審問當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
10250.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
10252.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
這是第一點,第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
10252.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
10254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
跟我國,我們的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
10254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
10256.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
當地的黑幫是不是有聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
10256.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
10258.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
是不是有直接的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
10258.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
10260.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
掌控或者是操控的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
10260.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
10262.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
有或沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
10262.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
10264.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
這部分我們剛剛已經跟很多委員說明過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
10264.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
10266.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
有,那主要是黑幫以及跟黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
10266.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
10268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
有關係的徵信社 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
10268.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
10270.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
哪些幫,哪些幫派都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
10270.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
10272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
10272.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
10274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
那我們已經有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
10274.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
10276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
具體的跟我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
10276.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
10278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
現在講了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
10278.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
10280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
黑幫都跑光了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
10280.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
10282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
台灣的黑幫會跑光 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
10282.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
10284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
台灣的黑幫我們是要掃蕩的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
10284.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
10286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
當然豬圓幫是海幫,哪一些不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
10286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
10288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
全部都是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
10288.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
10290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
我們剛剛在很多巡達委員當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
10290.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
10292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
我們已經講過這些件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
10292.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
10294.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
國安局必須要把我們現在這個情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
10294.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
10296.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
立刻跟法務部講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
10296.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
10298.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
我們必須要,這些黑幫現在已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
10298.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
10300.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
猖狂到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
10300.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
10302.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
跟境外勢力來去把我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
10302.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
10304.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
包含這些演藝人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
10304.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
10306.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
直接的人生生命安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
10306.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
10308.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
來去做威脅,這是很嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
10308.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
10310.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
除了這個之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
10309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
10311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
我們還要看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
10311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
10313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
把我們自己的國民送到東南亞去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
10313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
10315.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
這就是很 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
10314.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
10316.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
做局長豬仔,這是很嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
10316.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
10318.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
我認為國安局趕快 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
10318.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
10320.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
跟法務部來去,來磋商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
10320.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
10322.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
必須要嚴正的掃蕩這些黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
10322.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
10324.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
從來沒有看過這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
10324.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
10326.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
越來越嚴重耶,你自己看台中那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
10326.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
10328.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
三不五時都有那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
10328.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
10330.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
重大的這些,都不是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
10330.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
10332.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
都是犯罪的幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
10332.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
10334.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
10334.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
10336.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
這些真的是很嚴肅的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
10336.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
10338.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
已經上升到國安,所以局長你這個一定要全力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
10338.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
10340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
來協助法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
10340.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
10342.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
這不是法務部,這是警政署的夜館 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
10342.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
10344.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
我們跟署長都有討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
10344.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
10346.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
我們接下來針對這些協力的黑幫幫派 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
10346.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
10348.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
我們會有掃蕩的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
10348.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
10350.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
不是啊,我剛剛說法務部,你說要修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
10350.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
10352.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
你說要相應的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
10352.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
10354.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
要跟法務部一起來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
10354.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
10356.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
我們現在講的是跨境鎮壓的查草 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
10356.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
10358.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
或是黑幫的掃蕩,這是警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
10358.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
10360.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
法務部我們都要嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
10360.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
10362.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
所以我剛剛講說,這法務,你們剛剛說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
10362.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
10364.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
會行政院要來協調做修法相關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
10364.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
10366.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
這個是法務部我們要做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
10366.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
10368.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
接下來,我剛剛提到的,我們警內政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
10368.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
10370.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
警政署我們來處理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
10370.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
10372.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
所以我們還是要共有,這是很嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
10372.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
10374.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
因為老實說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
10375.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
10377.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
10376.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
10378.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
黑幫的這種在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
10378.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
10380.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
我看現在的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
10380.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
10382.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
我們好像都,政治人物都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
10382.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
10384.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
也會去參加他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
10384.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
10386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
一些他們的這個工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
10386.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
10388.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
這個我可以理解,但是我可以理解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
10388.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
10390.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
這是禮儀上,可是這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
10390.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
10392.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
就在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
10392.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
10394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
已經造成社會治安的重大危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
10394.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
10396.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
我覺得是事實,要把 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
10396.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
10398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
謝委員的關心跟提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
10398.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
10400.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
我們再繼續來注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
10400.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
10402.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
這個很嚴重,因為我看他 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
10402.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
10404.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
從國安事件到那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
10405.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
10407.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
除了境外鎮壓之外,還把我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
10407.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
10409.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
這些國民來送到境外去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
10409.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
10411.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
這些影響都盛大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
10411.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
10413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
這些情報,麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
10413.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
10415.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
現在是除了演藝人員之外,還有沒有政治人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
10415.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
10417.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
也受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
10417.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
10419.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
有些案子都有在列館,都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
10419.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
10421.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
不只這些案子,還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
10421.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
10423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
還有嗎?還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
10423.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
10425.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
事實的,就算他不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
10425.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
10427.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
如果他的有接受到情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
10427.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
10429.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
真的會影響到某些政治人物部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
10429.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
10431.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
在野黨或者是執政黨的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
10431.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
10433.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
的話,包含派 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
10433.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
10435.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
相關的這個警政人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
10435.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
10437.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
10437.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
10439.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
個案保護都是有必要性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
10439.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
10441.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
要跟他們講一些重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
10441.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
10443.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
應該的,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
10444.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
10446.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
謝謝陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
10447.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
10449.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
現在請邱毅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
10450.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
10452.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
邱毅委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
10452.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
10454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
邱毅委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
10454.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
10456.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
接下來我們請邱志偉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
10463.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
10465.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
剛剛聽到陳冠廷委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
10465.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
10467.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
非常精彩,令人感動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
10469.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
10471.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
但是,只要我排4分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
10471.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
10473.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
240秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
10473.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
10475.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
要來探討國安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
10475.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
10477.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
對我資訊能力,算是一個非常大的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
10477.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
10479.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
挑戰看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
10479.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
10481.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
挑戰看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
10481.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
10483.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
第二段請白部調查局徐副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
10483.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
10485.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
好,請副局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
10489.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
10491.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
局長,你好,你大概只有30秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
10492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
10494.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
這個我的選區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
10494.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
10496.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
有一個無黨籍候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
10496.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
10498.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
因為是個社區會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
10498.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
10500.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
當然,他團隊有兩個被說壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
10500.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
10502.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
他個人被200萬交保 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
10504.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
10506.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
他是什麼原因去會選的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
10506.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
10508.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
母親節表揚魔幻母親的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
10508.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
10510.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
他發了比較高價的禮盒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
10515.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
10517.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
好,那一定要有證人嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
10517.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
10519.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
證人都是魔幻母親啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
10519.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
10521.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
魔幻母親動時七八十歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
10521.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
10523.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
10523.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
10525.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
一個魔幻母親也是我很敬佩的長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
10527.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
10529.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
哈佩布朗斯調查局或者是這個地檢署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
10530.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
10532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
請去兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
10532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
10534.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
其中一次十個小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
10537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
10539.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
回來,哇,頭影人看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
10539.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
10541.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
又上台了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
10541.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
10543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
我提醒你們,不管是調查局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
10543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
10545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
或者是我們地檢署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
10545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
10547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
在查會的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
10547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
10549.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
我們相關同仁查會的技巧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
10549.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
10551.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
能夠再加強一下對長輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
10552.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
10554.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
多一點尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
10553.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
10555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
多點照顧,多點關懷,可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
10555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
10557.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
當然可以,因為我們偵辦案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
10557.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
10559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
我提醒你,我是把這意見給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
10559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
10561.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
好,你時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
10562.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
10564.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
好,下一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
10563.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
10565.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
國安局蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
10571.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
10573.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
局長好,你大概有一分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
10573.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
10575.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
這個我們共事多久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
10577.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
10579.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
三年有吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
10579.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
10581.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
我每次質詢你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
10581.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
10583.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
你看我質詢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
10583.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
10585.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
我的質詢的風格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
10585.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
10587.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
跟我的質詢的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
10587.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
10589.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
你覺得是正面評價還是負面評價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
10589.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
10591.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
我連關心時政和國安議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
10591.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
10593.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
我們都非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
10593.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
10595.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
正面評價還是負面評價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
10596.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
10598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
我們的評價都很正面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
10598.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
10600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
所有委員的評價都很正面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
10600.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
10602.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
我是問你,我們沒有其他委員問我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
10603.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
10605.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
我希望我能夠做到言之有物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
10605.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
10607.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
言之有理,言之有感 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
10610.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
10612.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
我也是,這個國際政治PHD |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
10613.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
10615.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
這不是假的PHD |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
10616.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
10618.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
我也做了很多的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
10618.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
10620.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
這些研究啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
10620.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
10622.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
從你的報告裡面我來請問幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
10622.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
10624.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
CPTPP馬上要這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
10624.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
10626.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
在越南舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
10626.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
10628.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
掌握的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
10628.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
10630.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
台灣陸會的可行性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
10630.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
10632.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
成立工作小組可行性,你覺得嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
10631.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
10633.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
這部分應該要請外事單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
10633.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
10635.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
來了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
10635.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
10637.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
通常都是在第一線接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
10637.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
10639.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
你是統合各種其他國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
10639.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
10641.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
包括經濟,安全等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
10642.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
10644.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
那您個人的評估呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
10644.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
10646.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
我想政府叫CPTPP |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
10646.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
10648.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
還是有一貫的政策立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
10648.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
10650.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
但各國對於這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
10650.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
10652.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
也有他們各自的一個評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
10652.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
10654.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
所以這部分可能外交部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
10654.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
10656.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
在跟各國第一線的接觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
10656.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
10658.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
他的資訊會更多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
10658.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
10660.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
也更即時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
10660.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
10662.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
我這邊會找,但是不一定那麼即時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
10662.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
10664.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
從國安團隊的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
10664.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
10666.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
去協助經濟部、外交部以及這個談判辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
10666.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
10668.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
去審核相關的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
10668.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
10670.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
或者情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
10670.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
10672.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
提供給前線的我們作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
10672.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
10674.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
或者前線的工作人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
10674.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
10676.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
務必能夠在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
10676.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
10678.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
達成這個成立工作小組的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
10679.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
10683.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
另外,印太產業韌性夥伴關係PIPIR |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
10685.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
10687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
這個對台灣非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
10687.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
10689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
我們加入是實質有效參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
10689.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
10691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
算是顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
10691.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
10693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
是不是實質有效參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
10693.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
10695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
但你以顧問的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
10695.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
10697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
來參加這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
10697.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
10699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
至少對於整個跨國合作的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
10699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
10701.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
我關心的是不是有效實質的參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
10702.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
10704.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
還是有幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
10704.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
10706.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
看有效實質的定義是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
10706.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
10708.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
但是你有參與的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
10708.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
10710.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
你對於將來大家在相關產業鏈標準化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
10710.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
10712.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
的那些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
10712.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
10714.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
你才能夠有最新的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
10714.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
10716.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
它是定期性的會議還是一個協調的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
10716.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
10718.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
它是一個協調性的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
10718.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
10720.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
不定期的協調機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
10720.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
10722.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
不定期召開會議來討論不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
10722.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
10724.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
我希望能夠把握所有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
10724.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
10726.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
去協調或者是參加會議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
10726.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
10728.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
把台灣列入這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
10728.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
10730.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
這個PIPIR |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
10730.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
10732.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
在大家的夥伴關係裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
10732.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
10734.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
這個部分也很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
10734.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
10736.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
另外這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
10736.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
10738.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
中國啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
10738.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
10740.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
對我國跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
10740.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
10742.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
鎮壓的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
10742.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
10744.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
非常嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
10743.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
10745.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
對於實施這個所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
10745.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
10747.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
跨國鎮壓的高風險國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
10747.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
10749.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
我們有沒有做一些評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
10749.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
10751.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
你要讓國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
10751.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
10753.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
去哪些高風險國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
10753.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
10755.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
可能會受到這個中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
10755.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
10757.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
跨境的這個鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
10757.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
10759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
對國人在海外的人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
10759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
10761.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
是非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
10761.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
10763.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
因為這部分的警示機制應該是外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
10763.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
10765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
負責的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
10765.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
10767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
現在主要是用疫情或是天災 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
10767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
10769.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
來當成警示的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
10769.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
10771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
那我個人的理解外交部稍早 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
10771.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
10773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
又在先前的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
10773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
10775.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
是不是要把這一種可能人身安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
10775.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
10777.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
因為中共跨境鎮壓帶來的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
10777.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
10779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
也要做一些評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
10779.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
10781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
那有在做內部討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
10781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
10783.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
因為我的問題還有六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
10783.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
10785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
可能還要大概十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
10785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
10787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
但是這一項我都遵守這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
10787.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
10789.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
好這個局長先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
10789.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
10791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
請這個警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
10791.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
10793.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
10794.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
10796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
署長你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
10796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
10798.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
署長我們也共事很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
10798.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
10800.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
你覺得我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
10800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
10802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
正向還是負向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
10802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
10804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
昨天我關心這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
10804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
10806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
所謂密入器合法合理使用問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
10806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
10808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
我已經關心十年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
10809.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
10811.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
講到這個我當然會覺得我比較激動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
10812.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
10814.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
因為我希望說警政署拿出具體的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
10815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
10817.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
改善這種狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
10817.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
10819.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
啊我的質詢會讓你覺得不舒服嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
10821.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
10823.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
10823.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
10825.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
有沒有收入的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
10826.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
10828.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
我覺得很正向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
10828.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
10830.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
10830.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
10832.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
我是就事論事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
10832.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
10834.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
基於我的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
10834.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
10836.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
基於我國會議員職責對你的業務進行一些質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
10836.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
10838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
沒有問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
10838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
10840.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
好這部分謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
10840.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
10842.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
也希望說針對所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
10842.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
10844.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
這個密入器使用的合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
10844.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
10846.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
合規合理使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
10846.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
10848.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
能夠短時間之內提出一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
10848.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
10850.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
比較有效的解決方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
10850.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
10852.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
昨天已經有答應了一個月提供給委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
10852.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
10854.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
謝謝署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
10854.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
10856.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
你的回答讓我很安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
10856.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
10858.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
最後一位移民署林署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
10860.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
10862.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
移民署林署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
10863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
10865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
署長我昨天質詢你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
10865.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
10867.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
拿兩項議題你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
10867.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
10869.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
10869.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
10871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
第一個就是高雄機場的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
10871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
10873.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
10874.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
10876.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
10876.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
10878.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
10878.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
10880.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
第五個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
10880.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
10882.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
第六個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
10882.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
10884.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
第七個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
10884.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
10886.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
第八個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
10886.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
10888.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
第九個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
10888.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
10890.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
10890.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
10892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
10892.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
10894.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
10894.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
10896.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
10896.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
10898.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
10898.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
10900.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
10900.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
10902.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
第十個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
10875.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
10877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
我先排我就去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
10877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
10879.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
我還用我來排 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
10879.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
10881.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
今天下午就要去看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
10881.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
10883.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
我已經提出問題給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
10883.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
10885.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
你去參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
10885.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
10887.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
怎麼就我指揮你去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
10887.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
10889.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
你是一個主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
10889.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
10891.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
我們以為委員是要召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
10891.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
10893.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
現場的會看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
10893.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
10895.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
我先趕快去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
10895.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
10897.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
昨天的我質詢記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
10897.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
10899.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
這是第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
10899.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
10901.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
小港機場人工的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
10901.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
10903.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
查驗竟然比E-Gate |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
10903.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
10905.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
還多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
10905.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
10907.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
空間佔了三分之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
10906.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
10908.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
E-Gate只有六台 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
10908.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
10910.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
大的確是民眾反應的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
10910.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
10912.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
反應給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
10912.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
10914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
希望你馬上去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
10914.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
10916.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
我做民意代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
10916.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
10918.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
我沒有辦法把這個明末 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
10918.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
10920.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
反應給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
10920.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
10922.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
你要積極有效的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
10922.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
10924.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
報告委員這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
10924.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
10926.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
我昨天有稍微查了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
10926.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
10928.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
以人機比E-Gate |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
10928.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
10930.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
我們會後再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
10930.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
10932.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
你先去現場看了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
10932.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
10934.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
第二個議題我請問你什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
10933.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
10935.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
第二個議題就是有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
10935.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
10937.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
也是屬於跨國鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
10937.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
10939.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
就是港澳入境人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
10939.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
10941.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
這個數字是從你報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
10941.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
10943.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
我是看你報告來問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
10943.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
10945.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
我說港澳去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
10945.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
10947.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
今年一到九月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
10947.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
10949.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
港澳入台的人數有多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
10949.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
10951.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
按照你的報告我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
10951.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
10953.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
你一下答不出來我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
10953.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
10955.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
這個署長來立法稍微做一些準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
10957.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
10959.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
這是個善意的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
10960.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
10962.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
你也覺得受到屈辱嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
10963.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
10965.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
因為委員講說我們不用工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
10966.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
10968.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
其實我們並沒有不用工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
10968.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
10970.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
你可以跟我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
10970.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
10972.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
你們很多數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
10972.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
10974.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
我不是隨便抓一個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
10974.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
10976.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
很艱難的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
10977.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
10979.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
那我希望不用工這不是一個負面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
10979.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
10981.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
你們更加用工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
10981.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
10983.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
如果你們是第一線的國家安全資本人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
10985.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
10987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
IQ要高EQ要高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
10987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
10989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
抗壓力也要足領導同意也要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
10989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
10991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
對外關係也要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
10992.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
10994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
如果我說你一個不用工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
10994.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
10996.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
你就絕對不高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
10998.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
11000.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
你覺得我在串聲量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
11001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
11003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
你覺得我在造勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
11003.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
11005.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
還是我在做什麼拼流量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
11009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
11011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
或者我在作秀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
11012.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
11014.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
我百思不得其解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
11014.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
11016.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
早晚我睡不著去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
11016.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
11018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
我睡不著去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
11018.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
11020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
我這輩子我言之有理言之有誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
11020.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
11022.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
雖然口氣比較強一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
11022.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
11024.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
但是也是為了你們好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
11025.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
11027.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
因為這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
11027.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
11029.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
是你的報告數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
11029.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
11031.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
11031.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
11033.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
如果我是主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
11033.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
11035.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
我對一些重要數字我一定寥若指掌 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
11034.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
11036.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
我們移民署沒有不努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
11036.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
11038.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
所以說機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
11038.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
11040.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
我們必須得為本人來說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
11040.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
11042.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
所有不管是移民署或者警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
11042.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
11044.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
國安團隊每一個人都辛苦得不得了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
11044.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
11046.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
因為國家安全你們是第一線的把關子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
11049.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
11051.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
所有同仁我都覺得非常非常不冷心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
11051.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
11053.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
11052.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
11054.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
不利不美的包括現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
11054.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
11056.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
中國的季節學也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
11056.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
11058.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
中國的灰色地區騷擾也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
11058.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
11060.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
或者跨境這個鎮壓也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
11060.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
11062.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
這些都是國安團隊保護國安的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
11064.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
11066.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
不要為了一個質詢的一句話幾個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
11068.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
11070.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
你就覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
11070.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
11072.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
我對你的質詢是充滿惡意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
11072.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
11074.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
我們沒有認為你充滿惡意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
11074.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
11076.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
但是我們是覺得應該要多鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
11076.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
11078.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
少責難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
11079.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
11081.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
我責難了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
11082.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
11084.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
委員說我們不努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
11084.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
11086.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
我問你這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
11087.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
11089.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
這個報告的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
11090.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
11092.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
這個我只說這個為什麼會答不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
11092.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
11094.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
這個是從你們報告拿出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
11094.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
11096.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
我說要多用功一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
11096.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
11098.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
反應也不會那麼激烈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
11099.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
11101.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
我不是說你個人說你能力不很成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
11101.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
11103.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
11103.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
11105.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
我從來不是針對個人的能力去做一些判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
11105.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
11107.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
我只說針對這個事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
11108.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
11110.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
你這個數據你答不出來這個事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
11110.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
11112.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
我覺得應該更用功一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
11112.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
11114.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
我不認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
11114.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
11116.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
我不認為我是批判你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
11116.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
11118.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
在這裡跟委員說抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
11118.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
11120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
也不用道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
11120.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
11122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
這個事情我們互相勉勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
11122.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
11124.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
不管你是行政部門我是國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
11124.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
11126.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
我是立法部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
11126.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
11128.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
我們共同的國家就是保護國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
11127.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
11131.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
包括國家安全我們都要有更多的IQEQ跟韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
11133.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
11135.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
包括你也是我也是要更加韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
11137.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
11139.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
首長能不能內信 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
11139.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
11141.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
國會都能夠同心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
11141.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
11143.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
支持國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
11144.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
11148.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
所有的國務院跨黨脈都要支持這個國際國照國際國照或者是國聯機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
11151.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
11153.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
那不是國家人就提升了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
11153.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
11155.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
那所有的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
11155.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
11157.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
第一線的同仁都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
11157.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
11159.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
戰戰兢兢全力以赴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
11159.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
11161.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
確保台灣人民的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
11161.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
11163.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
這是我們一致的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
11163.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
11165.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
這個質詢這個小事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
11165.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
11167.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
不要放在心裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
11167.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
11169.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
我們一起努力好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
11169.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
11171.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
11172.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
11174.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
郭志偉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
11176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
11178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
以後多多來哈謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
11180.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
11182.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
接下來我們請蘇青全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
11184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
11186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
蘇青全委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
11186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
11188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
蘇青全委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
11188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
11190.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
接下來我們請鄭鄭前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
11191.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
11193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
鄭鄭前委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
11194.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
11196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
鄭鄭前委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
11196.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
11198.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
接下來我們請劉許廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
11202.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
11204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
謝謝主席國安局長有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
11204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
11206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
好請蔡局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
11209.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
11211.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
劉委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
11211.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
11213.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
今天大部委員都關心跨境鎮壓等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
11213.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
11215.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
這些題目都很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
11215.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
11217.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
但我想國安局包山包海很多事情都要關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
11217.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
11219.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
包含國際情勢的最新變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
11219.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
11221.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
這更是責無旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
11221.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
11223.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
這從國際新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
11223.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
11225.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
國際大事的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
11225.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
11227.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
最重要現在的大家在關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
11227.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
11229.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
在討論的議題是什麼局長有掌握到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
11230.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
11232.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
我們關注疫情真的很廣泛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
11232.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
11234.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
超通情勢 二戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
11234.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
11236.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
二戰爭最新的情況是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
11236.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
11238.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
二戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
11238.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
11240.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
現在大概美國方面是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
11240.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
11242.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
烏克蘭這邊能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
11243 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
11245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
避免去攻擊俄羅斯的一些能源設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
11245 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
11247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
因為造成國際油價的波動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
11247 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
11249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
烏克蘭的回應是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
11249 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
11251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
烏克蘭也跟歐洲的友盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
11251 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
11253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
希望美國在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
11253 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
11255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
對於俄羅斯的能源制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
11255 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
11257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
能夠持續的制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
11257 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
11259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
而不應該去開放才有的採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
11259 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
11261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
最新的消息你有沒有掌握到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
11261 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
11263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
針對哪一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
11263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
11265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
澤倫斯基昨天接受專訪你知道這是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
11265 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
11267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
對 但詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
11267 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
11269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
因為我今天一早還沒看到相關報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
11269 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
11271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
我簡單大概講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
11271 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
11273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
因為這畢竟是媒體報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
11273 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
11275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
如果真的有偏誤我們要補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
11275 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
11277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
我們都很歡迎好不好 但就我的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
11277 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
11279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
我也盡量去看原文的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
11279 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
11281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
這在福斯新聞的專訪裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
11281 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
11283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
主持人直接問了烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
11283 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
11285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
說如果我們要停戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
11285 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
11287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
交換的代價是烏克蘭割讓25%的領土 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
11287 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
11289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
這請問他是否願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
11289 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
11291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
那他過去來講他當然都非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
11291 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
11293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
強硬 說我們絕對不可能妥協 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
11293 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
11295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
但在這一次的專訪裡面看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
11295 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
11297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
是說這看起來是停戰的唯一方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
11297 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
11299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
這局長國安局有沒有掌握到這情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
11299 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
11301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
這不是昨天才提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
11301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
11303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
因為之前大概在交戰過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
11303 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
11305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
都有一直 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
11305 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
11307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
對 交戰的時候就講說要割地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
11307 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
11309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
然後停火這件事情 烏克蘭一直都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
11309 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
11311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
言之拒絕了 但現在顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
11311 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
11313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
出現態度上巨大轉變 我想這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
11313 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
11315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
大概還是國際上今天大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
11315 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
11317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
最熱議的這樣一個話題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
11317 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
11319 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
那這件事情之所以要跟您做一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
11319 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
11321 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
討論的原因是 我覺得這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
11321 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
11323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
可能會對台灣的 不管是認知也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
11323 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
11325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
士氣也好都會造成不同程度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
11325 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
11327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
這樣子的一個衝擊 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
11327 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
11329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
過去以來大家從認知上面來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
11329 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
11331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
大家都期待說這民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
11331 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
11333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
互相幫忙 對不對 抵抗外在的一個侵略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
11333 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
11335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
在道德上也好 在正義上也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
11335 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
11337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
他應該有所堅持 這也是一貫以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
11337 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
11339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
我們的政府對外也是這麼說的 對內也是這麼說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
11339 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
11341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
尤其是我們有可能陷入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
11341 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
11343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
類似的情況的時候 那更是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
11343 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
11345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
那這樣的一個狀況一直持續到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
11345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
11347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
但是突然之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
11347 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
11349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
這個豬羊變色 局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
11349 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
11351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
這對我們國內的士氣 不管是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
11351 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
11353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
國防上也好 外交上也好 國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
11353 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
11355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
整個策略的整備上也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
11355 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
11357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
會不會出現打擊 你有沒有因應知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
11357 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
11359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
對 我想就那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
11359 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
11361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
二無情事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
11361 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
11363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
可能也不適合單單就澤倫士氣的一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
11363 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
11365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
就來做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
11365 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
11367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
在整個交戰過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
11367 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
11369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
立場一直都有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
11369 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
11371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
11371 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
11373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
新的發展跟變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
11373 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
11375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
但是我們在看這個問題還是有它的結構面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
11375 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
11377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
結構面的狀況就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
11377 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
11379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
烏克蘭一個小國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
11379 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
11381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
那也透過後來無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
11381 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
11383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
還有戰場智能管理的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
11383 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
11385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
其實讓俄國一個大國承受非常大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
11385 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
11387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
一個戰爭的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
11387 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
11389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
也讓戰事從2023到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
11389 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
11391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
已經幾年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
11391 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
11393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
它的抵抗的韌性確實是受到關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
11393 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
11395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
這麼小的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
11395 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
11397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
那第二部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
11397 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
11399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
歐洲的友盟對於烏克蘭的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
11399 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
11401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
確實是非常強力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
11401 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
11403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
那因為我們國安單位跟各國的情報安全機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
11403 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
11405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
都有交流跟聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
11405 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
11407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
那有感受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
11407 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
11409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
他們對於俄國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
11409 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
11411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
在歐洲的一個擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
11411 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
11413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
包括烏克蘭戰場以及後續可能的擴張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
11413 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
11415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
可能委員注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
11415 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
11417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
開始用一些無人機去騷擾東歐國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
11417 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
11419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
那他們對這方面的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
11419 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
11421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
他們也是很警覺的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
11421 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
11423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
今天就是把這些事情好好的攤開來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
11423 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
11425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
你喜歡或不喜歡都是一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
11425 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
11427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
我們討論現實發生的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
11427 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
11429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
剛剛您講到結構性問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
11429 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
11431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
我覺得非常好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
11431 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
11433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
而且您主動提到了這個作戰模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
11433 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
11435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
其實全世界都在關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
11435 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
11437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
這烏克蘭使用大量的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
11437 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
11439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
當然因應特殊情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
11439 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
11441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
對這種軍力他比不贏俄羅斯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
11441 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
11445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
但他用無人機攻擊俄羅斯的設施等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
11445 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
11447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
然後把戰線拖長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
11447 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
11449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
他算不算是一種不對稱作戰的實體時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
11449 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
11451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
他就是標準的不對稱作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
11451 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
11453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
那麼一度在這不對稱作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
11453 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
11455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
大家搭配你剛講的歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
11455 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
11457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
或者是歐洲國家或者是之前的美國也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
11457 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
11459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
其實對於這樣東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
11459 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
11461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
也共同使用了經濟制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
11461 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
11463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
圍堵了這樣一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
11463 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
11465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
他用共同的方式去延長戰線然後逼迫妥協 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
11465 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
11467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
當然希望正義終將彰顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
11467 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
11469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
一直以來大家的期待跟認知都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
11469 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
11471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
我沒有講這個事情是錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
11471 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
11473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
但客觀上來講他遇到的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
11473 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
11475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
比如說當烏克蘭使用無人機開始攻擊俄羅斯的煉油設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
11475 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
11477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
這就是標準打擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
11477 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
11479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
我搭配對你的經濟制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
11479 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
11481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
搭配對你俄羅斯是原料出口的大國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
11481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
11483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
我就攻敵必救 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
11483 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
11485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
所以我用不對稱作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
11485 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
11487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
用最小的成本去做這樣的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
11487 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
11489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
理論上來講在我們過去設想的這套情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
11489 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
11491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
這就是一個標準的作戰策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
11491 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
11493 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
可是局長後來發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
11494.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
11496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
11496.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
11498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
如果你們不認識我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
11498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
11500.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
11500.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
11502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
如果你們不認識我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
11502.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
11504.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
11504.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
11506.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
11506.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
11508.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
11508.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
11510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
11510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
11512.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
11512.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
11514.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
11514.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
11516.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
11516.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
11518.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
11518.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
11520.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
11520.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
11522.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
我會再次提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
11494.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
11496.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
當他開始攻擊煉油廠之後發生什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
11497.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
11499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
局長有掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
11499.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
11501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
應該有掌握對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
11501.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
11503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
就是因為美國中東的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
11503.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
11505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
結果是變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
11505.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
11507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
美國反而在這個時候關鍵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
11507.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
11509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
去講說我要開放進口俄羅斯的柴油 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
11509.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
11511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
然後他講烏克蘭不要再攻擊這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
11511.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
11513.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
關鍵基礎設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
11513.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
11515.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
甚至副總統Vance直接講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
11515.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
11517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
烏克蘭不能算是我們的政治盟友 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
11517.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
11519.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
他應該把這個結果吞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
11519.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
11521.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
怎麼會變成這樣局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
11521.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
11523.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
我想在戰爭過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
11523.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
11525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
他有各個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
11525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
11527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
政治的面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
11527.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
11529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
還有經濟安全的面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
11529.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
11531.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
也確實是烏克蘭他因為國家比較小 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
11531.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
11533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
他承受的壓力也比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
11533.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
11535.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
但是也必須跟委員提到的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
11535.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
11537.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
還是有很多的國際友盟特別是歐洲國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
11537.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
11539.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
對於烏克蘭的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
11539.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
11541.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
還是很絕對的在支持當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
11541.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
11543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
那事情還在掩面當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
11543.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
11545.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
我才講說可能不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
11545.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
11547.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
針對澤倫斯基一個訪談 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
11547.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
11549.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
一句話來做太多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
11549.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
11551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
現在就下定論或許太早 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
11551.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
11553.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
但我想這個整個的走向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
11553.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
11555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
他還是逐步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
11555.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
11557.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
他開始鬆綁一部分的經濟制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
11557.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
11559.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
宣布要裁有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
11559.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
11561.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
他也就是一步一步一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
11561.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
11563.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
才開始出現說我可能要透過接受現狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
11563.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
11565.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
11565.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
11567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
如果真的結果往正義沒有得彰顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
11567.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
11569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
這樣的劇本發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
11569.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
11571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
我覺得我們要好好的思考這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
11571.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
11573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
我不是講說你過去這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
11573.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
11575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
就把它放掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
11575.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
11577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
就不管或是一定要做怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
11577.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
11579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
我不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
11579.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
11581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
但我覺得國安團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
11581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
11583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
是考慮軍事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
11583.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
11585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
比如說這不對稱作戰是成功的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
11585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
11587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
可是當外交的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
11587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
11589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
經濟的因素其他民主國家內部選舉的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
11589.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
11591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
介入的時候很有可能現實他就會推著你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
11591.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
11593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
朝向當初不同的劇本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
11593.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
11595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
長出了一個不盡人意的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
11595.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
11597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
我覺得這對台灣來講是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
11597.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
11599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
蠻嚴峻的一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
11599.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
11601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
我覺得我們都是在嚴肅一對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
11601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
11603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
不過有另外的角度委員也可以一起來注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
11603.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
11605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
就是俄國在整個戰事過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
11605.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
11607.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
他投入的戰爭成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
11607.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
11609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
真的是超乎預期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
11609.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
11611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
確實是不對稱的戰爭成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
11611.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
11613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
但我必須要講大家都講實話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
11613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
11615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
好像這些經濟的制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
11615.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
11617.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
他們的人民過苦日子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
11617.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
11619.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
死了非常多的人等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
11619.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
11621.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
好像也沒有動搖這些人的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
11621.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
11623.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
我都覺得這件事情很可怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
11623.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
11625.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
因為國安我們總是從不同的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
11625.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
11627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
了解自己的對手可能會做什麼事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
11627.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
11629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
了解他們的作戰意志 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
11629.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
11631.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
了解全世界各地的變因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
11631.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
11633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
到底是對我們有利還是有害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
11633.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
11635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
這我覺得我們今天要花一點點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
11635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
11637.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
我也要聽一聽國安局長的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
11637.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
11639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
但是到目前為止對台灣有什麼樣的啟示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
11639.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
11641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
從國安單位看到這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
11641.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
11643.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
對我們內部的調度也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
11643.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
11645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
策略也好衝擊也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
11645.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
11647.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
有沒有分別做了哪樣的分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
11647.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
11649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
目前是走什麼樣的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
11649.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
11651.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
我想就這部分來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
11651.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
11653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
在二戰場上我們對於一些新科技的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
11653.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
11655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
還有戰場管理的智能化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
11655.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
11657.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
以及我們剛剛所討論到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
11657.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
11659.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
不對稱作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
11659.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
11661.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
的一些戰爭的形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
11661.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
11663.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
大概不只是台灣才關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
11663.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
11665.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
我想現在全球大家都在關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
11665.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
11667.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
我特別提到了以印太的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
11667.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
11669.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
包括日本韓國澳洲菲律賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
11669.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
11671.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
未來在一年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
11671.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
11673.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
國防支援的投注大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
11673.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
11675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
都在這一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
11675.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
11677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
我現在跟你講國防我之所以講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
11677.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
11679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
國安局要包山包海的原因就是國防上你當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
11679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
11681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
你也只有這條路走了難道氣洩頭強 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
11681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
11683.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
我們當然不接受這樣的一個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
11683.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
11685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
但請你也要考量外交 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
11686.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
11688.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
各地地緣政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
11688.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
11690.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
互相的牽動跟一個變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
11690.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
11692.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
因為你是要統領 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
11692.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
11694.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
全部對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
11694.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
11696.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
要給予正確觀念的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
11696.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
11698.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
在這個地方的互相變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
11698.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
11700.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
經濟的外交的國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
11700.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
11702.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
這三個重大的議題之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
11702.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
11704.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
要隨時掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
11704.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
11706.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
然後要隨時給我們整個政府團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
11706.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
11708.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
最真確的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
11708.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
11710.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
然後要做最務實的因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
11710.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
11712.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
這是本席的誠心建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
11712.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
11714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
希望您做為國安局長可以好好的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
11714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
11716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
相關的國防發展趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
11716.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
11718.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
還有全社會任性的建構 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
11718.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
11720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
烏克蘭經驗我們會做一些全面的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
11720.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
11722.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
國防都照做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
11722.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
11724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
我們有意見請評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
11724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
11726.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
外交跟經濟的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
11726.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
11728.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
我覺得這一點是國安局要加大力度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
11728.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
11730.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
然後你要去想很多時候不見得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
11730.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
11732.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
只有這個劇本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
11732.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
11734.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
烏克蘭劇本要有贏的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
11734.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
11736.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
11736.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
11738.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
謝謝紐許廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
11738.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
11740.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
接下來我們請宗嘉斌委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
11741 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
11743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
宗嘉斌委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
11743 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
11745 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
接下來我們請馬文君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
11751.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
11753.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
謝謝主席麻煩請局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
11753.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
11755.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
蔡局長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
11760.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
11762.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
馬文好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
11762.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
11764.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
局長午安 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
11764.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
11766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
就今天的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
11766.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
11768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
我想其實國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
11768.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
11770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
不是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
11770.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
11772.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
國安局相關的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
11772.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
11774.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
大家的面向當然非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
11774.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
11776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
什麼都跟國安有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
11776.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
11778.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
所以就我們時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
11778.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
11780.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
主要我們現在想要探討的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
11780.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
11782.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
在年初國安局曾經有公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
11782.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
11784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
在114年台灣平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
11784.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
11786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
每天遭受大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
11786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
11788.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
260萬次來自大陸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
11788.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
11790.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
網路攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
11790.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
11792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
比前一年還增加6% |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
11792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
11794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
可是在這個同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
11794.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
11796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
台灣也連續11年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
11796.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
11800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
拿下了受境外甲訊息影響最嚴重的榜首 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
11800.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
11802.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
那我們今年的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
11802.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
11804.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
有比較改善了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
11804.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
11806.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
委員指的是那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
11806.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
11808.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
治安還是增益訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
11808.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
11810.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
治安跟增益訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
11810.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
11812.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
11812.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
11814.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
治安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
11814.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
11816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
就分開來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
11816.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
11818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
治安的部分就我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
11818.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
11820.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
監控的狀況來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
11820.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
11822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
他沒有減輕弱度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
11822.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
11824.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
沒有減輕他的強度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
11824.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
11826.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
特別注意的是他治安攻擊的手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
11826.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
11828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
因為AI工具的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
11828.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
11830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
他會變得更有效能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
11830.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
11832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
而且也會針對可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
11832.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
11834.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
我們的一些網安環境的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
11834.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
11836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
他在查找我們的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
11836.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
11838.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
速度會變得更快 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
11838.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
11840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
這會對我們構成一些挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
11840.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
11842.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
這大概是治安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
11842.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
11844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
那增益訊息的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
11844.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
11846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
那這部分應該以前有跟委員報告過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
11846.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
11848.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
這種問題的帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
11848.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
11850.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
他就是沒有固定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
11850.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
11852.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
一般的社交活動的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
11852.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
11854.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
但是他在中共 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
11854.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
11856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
官宣媒宣發動敘事的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
11856.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
11858.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
他馬上跟進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
11858.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
11860.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
那我們有一些名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
11860.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
11862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
問題或異常帳號的活動來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
11862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
11864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
確實是大量增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
11864.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
11866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].text |
今年跟去年同期比 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
11866.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
11868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
今年是兩百五十多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
11868.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
11870.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
去年一百六十幾萬大量增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
11870.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
11872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
不過這個部分因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
11872.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
11874.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
像假訊息的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
11874.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
11876.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
這個可能到處都有全球各地 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
11876.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
11878.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
那包括我們台灣自己境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
11878.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
11880.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
其實也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
11880.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
11882.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
拿來用在選舉的工坊上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
11882.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
11884.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
好像也是大有人在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
11884.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
11886.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
不過我們現在今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
11886.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
11888.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
我們也希望可以再 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
11888.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
11890.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
深刻的去討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
11890.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
11892.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
就我們剛剛局長有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
11892.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
11894.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
AI攻擊的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
11894.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
11896.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
那現在因為他的迭代很迅速 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
11896.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
11898.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
在七月初的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
11898.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
11900.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
有外媒跟以色列資安公司披露 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
11900.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
11902.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
就是境外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
11902.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
11904.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
駭客利用公開的AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
11904.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
11906.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
打造了可以協同作業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
11906.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
11908.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
自主攻擊系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
11908.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
11910.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
成功的入侵了台灣政府的網站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
11910.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
11912.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
他在四天之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
11912.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
11914.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
有十二波協調攻擊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
11914.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
11916.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
狀況底下他成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
11916.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
11918.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
進入台灣政府至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
11918.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
11920.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
八十五個帳號還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
11920.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
11922.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
竊取我們的文件入侵我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
11922.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
11924.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
信箱服務而且在政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
11924.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
11926.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
網路應用程式上面建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
11926.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
11928.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
後門我們遭竊取的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
11928.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
11930.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
個資超過兩千五百筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
11930.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
11932.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
那供給的範圍也包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
11932.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
11934.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
像和安會政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
11934.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
11936.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
IT供應鏈廠商政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
11936.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
11938.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
郵件系統還有至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
11938.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
11940.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
七家關鍵能源的業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
11940.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
11942.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
那這些其實看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
11942.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
11944.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
除了政府機關以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
11944.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
11946.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
屬於重要的基礎設施的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
11946.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
11948.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
這個私人企業也被成功的侵入 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
11948.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
11950.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
對我們來說可能影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
11950.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
11952.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
非常深遠而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
11952.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
11954.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
這種狀況可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
11955.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
11957.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
他造成的傷害也會越來越大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
11957.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
11959.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
那這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
11959.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
11961.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
網路攻擊的特點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
11961.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
11963.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
駭客他利用開源AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
11963.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
11965.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
代理程式打造自主的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
11965.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
11967.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
這個攻擊工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
11967.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
11969.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
這個可能是我們目前比較擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
11969.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
11971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
的部分那目前有什麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
11971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
11973.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
一個狀況可以有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
11973.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
11975.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
的因應嗎好這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
11975.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
11977.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
大概政府這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
11977.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
11979.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
在速發部之下有一個通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
11979.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
11981.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
機制那個案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
11981.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
11983.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
一旦通報的話馬上會進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
11983.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
11985.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
罰處這是個案的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
11985.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
11987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
另外也會針對那個害親 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
11987.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
11989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
的手法有沒有做一些變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
11989.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
11991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
那像剛剛委員特別在提醒的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
11991.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
11993.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
那個AI工具的運用那這個確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
11993.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
11995.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
是一個新的變化那在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
11995.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
11997.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
處理上以本局來講我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
11997.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
11999.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
大概也會用AI機組來反沾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
11999.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
12001.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
我們自己的資訊系統有沒有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
12001.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
12003.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
弱點那所以用AI來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
12003.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
12005.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
因應AI或許也是未來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
12005.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
12007.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
一個發展的趨勢那這部分的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
12007.43 |
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12009.43 |
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我們會來跟政府各部會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
12009.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
12011.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
做一些分享不過目前顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
12011.43 |
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12013.43 |
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我們是跟在後面走啦 |
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12013.43 |
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12015.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
因為我們這幾年其實編列的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
12015.43 |
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12017.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
像資安的不管軟體也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
12017.43 |
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12019.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
還有硬體設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
12019.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
12021.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
因為要配合這麼高額的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
12021.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
12023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
資安軟體的這些我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
12023.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
12025.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
在硬體的設備上面也不斷不斷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
12025.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
12027.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
一直在墊高這樣的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
12027.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
12029.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
可是顯然它現在AI |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
12029.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
12031.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
正在改變網路站的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
12031.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
12033.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
相關的型態因為這很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
12033.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
12035.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
他們舉例很像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
12035.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
12037.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
我們有碰到小偷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
12037.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
12039.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
他不再需要親自翻牆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
12039.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
12041.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
他只要派一群可以自我思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
12041.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
12043.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
可以互相通訊的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
12043.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
12045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
他就可以從觀察你的門鎖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
12045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
12047.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
然後製造萬能的鑰匙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
12047.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
12049.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
到直接竊取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
12049.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
12051.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
他完全自動化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
12051.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
12053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
而且24小時不休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
12053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
12055.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
我們現在有很多還是用人工分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
12055.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
12057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
剛剛局長有提到我們還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
12057.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
12059.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
在事後發生以後我們才去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
12059.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
12061.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
做一些補救的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
12061.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
12063.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
可是現在AI它顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
12063.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
12065.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
它現在造成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
12065.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
12067.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
我們靠人工分析的警報 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
12067.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
12069.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
或事後防堵這個已經很難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
12069.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
12071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
去阻止AI的自主攻擊的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
12071.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
12073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
因為它又便宜又快速 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
12073.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
12075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
迭代也很迅速 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
12075.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
12077.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
而且它24小時不休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
12077.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
12079.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
可能這個隨時隨地 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
12079.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
12081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
它都可以去找到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
12081.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
12083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
自主攻擊的這些相關的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].start |
12083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].end |
12085.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4003].text |
那台灣這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].start |
12085.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].end |
12087.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4004].text |
在七月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].start |
12087.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].end |
12089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4005].text |
被受攻擊的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].start |
12089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].end |
12091.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4006].text |
我們是全自主AI |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].start |
12091.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].end |
12093.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
駭客第一個實驗場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].start |
12093.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
12095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
那現在如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].start |
12095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].end |
12097.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4009].text |
就這個部分我們剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].start |
12097.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].end |
12099.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4010].text |
像這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].start |
12099.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].end |
12101.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4011].text |
我們還有什麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].start |
12101.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].end |
12103.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4012].text |
可以有的具體作為嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].start |
12103.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
12105.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].text |
有就AI工具的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].start |
12105.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
12107.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
它當然有帶來一些挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].start |
12107.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].end |
12109.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
就像委員剛剛所描述的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].start |
12109.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].end |
12111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4016].text |
但它也會給我們一些機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].start |
12111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
12113.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
所以我們怎麼樣來善用AI工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].start |
12113.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].end |
12115.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4018].text |
來強化我們自我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].start |
12115.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].end |
12117.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4019].text |
增減相關的漏洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].start |
12117.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].end |
12119.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4020].text |
的補強 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].start |
12119.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].end |
12121.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4021].text |
那這也是一個未來要處理的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].start |
12121.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].end |
12123.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4022].text |
那針對那種跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].start |
12123.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].end |
12125.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4023].text |
這種境外AI的攻防 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].start |
12125.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].end |
12127.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4024].text |
它確實是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].start |
12127.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].end |
12129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4025].text |
有點像軍備競賽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].start |
12129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].end |
12131.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4026].text |
那也確實在這方面的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].start |
12131.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].end |
12133.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4027].text |
要不斷的來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].start |
12133.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].end |
12135.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4028].text |
那以國安情報團隊特別是國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].start |
12135.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].end |
12137.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4029].text |
因為是主要的統籌機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].start |
12137.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].end |
12139.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
我們這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].start |
12139.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].end |
12141.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4031].text |
有做滿多的新的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].start |
12141.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].end |
12143.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4032].text |
資源的投資那也希望委員可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
12143.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].end |
12145.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].text |
這個部分我們要有具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].start |
12145.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].end |
12147.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4034].text |
就是局長必須要具體的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].start |
12147.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].end |
12149.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4035].text |
或者你要有什麼樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].start |
12149.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].end |
12151.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4036].text |
先前的制度性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].start |
12151.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].end |
12153.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4037].text |
一個防堵措施這樣大家才有辦法支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].start |
12153.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
12155.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
不然我們現在我剛剛講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].start |
12155.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].end |
12157.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4039].text |
我們不斷的在支持我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].start |
12157.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].end |
12159.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
資安的軟體設備也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
12159.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
12161.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
硬體設備的提升也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].start |
12161.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].end |
12163.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
我們不斷的在增加每年編了那麼多的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
12163.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].end |
12165.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
包括像外交部最近的這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].start |
12165.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
12167.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
他在2023年到2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
12167.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].end |
12169.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
他已經買了這個三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].start |
12169.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
12171.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
在安裝在座位管的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].start |
12171.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
12173.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].text |
資訊產業管理軟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
12173.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
12175.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
2000萬的標案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].start |
12175.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
12177.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
可是我們居然到最後一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].start |
12177.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
12179.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
已經三年了我們才發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
12179.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
12181.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
這個可能在他的原始碼的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
12181.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
12183.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
其實是來自大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
12183.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
12185.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
那他只是稍微把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
12185.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
12187.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
可能重新包裝以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
12187.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
12189.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
就變成我們台灣自己原創的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].start |
12189.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
12191.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
那在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
12191.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
12193.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
我們到底可能有什麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
12193.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
12195.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
很機敏的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
12195.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
12197.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
或者我們有什麼樣的訊息被竊取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
12197.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
12199.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
或者這中間的過程我們到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
12199.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
12201.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
漏失掉了什麼其實都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
12201.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
12203.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
造成很大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
12203.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
12205.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
那就是我們在這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
12205.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
12207.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
我們在這個過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
12207.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
12209.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
很大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
12209.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
12211.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
就這個部分我們現在顯然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
12211.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
12213.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
都還是跟在後面一直追 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
12213.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
12215.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
等到他發生了我們才去防堵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
12215.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
12217.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
可是我們永遠趕不上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
12217.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
12219.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
那我們現在先提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
12219.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
12221.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
就是說AI現在已經是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
12221.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
12223.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
很重要的一個攻擊性的武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
12223.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
12225.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
而且他是很難預防的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
12225.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
12227.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
那我們這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
12227.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
12229.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
顯然還沒有一個明確的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
12229.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
12231.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
那我們希望在很快的時間之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
12231.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
12233.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
就這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
12233.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
12235.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
怎麼樣去因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
12235.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
12237.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
或者怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
12237.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
12239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
因為我們已經台灣是第一個受害者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
12239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
12241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
那也被做這樣的實驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
12241.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
12243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
就這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
12243.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
12245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
我們要怎麼樣去有一個制度性的排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
12245.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
12247.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
12247.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
12249.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
我們希望可以很快的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
12249.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
12251.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
有一個報告資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
12251.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
12253.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
我們就這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
12253.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
12255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
我們會跟蘇發部這邊來密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
12255.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
12257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
來討論怎麼樣建構一個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
12257.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
12259.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
講一個比較完整的一個架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
12259.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
12261.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
來確保我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
12261.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
12263.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
資安環境在AI時代之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
12263.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
12265.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
能夠強化他的韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
12265.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
12267.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
第二部分是國安局這邊跟國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
12267.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
12269.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
這方面的合作也非常緊密 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
12269.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
12271.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
那我們也不斷的在吸收學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
12271.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
12273.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
各國在應處這方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
12273.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
12275.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
AI威脅的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
12275.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
12277.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
這部分我們會做一個完整的彙整 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
12277.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
12279.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
讓國內的主管機關來參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
12279.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
12281.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
整個的相關的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
12281.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
12283.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
沿西的報告我們會後再 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
12283.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
12285.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
提供給委員來做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
12285.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
12287.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
我們希望可以很具體的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
12287.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
12289.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
相關的資料跟報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
12289.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
12291.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
因為我們在很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
12291.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
12293.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
AI的這些預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
12293.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
12295.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
其實我們近幾年其實也編列非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
12295.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
12297.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
不管是國防或者其他的相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
12297.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
12299.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
預算是非常高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
12299.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
12301.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
那它必須要有效 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
12301.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
12303.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
而且真的是可以讓我們走在前頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
12303.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
12305.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
而不是都在後面追 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
12305.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
12307.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
這個部分是我們今天要提出來的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
12307.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
12309.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
12311.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
12313.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
好,謝謝馬文君委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
12313.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
12315.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
接下來請林茜琪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
12316.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
12318.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
林茜琪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
12318.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
12320.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
林茜琪委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
12319.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
12321.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
好,已登記質詢委員除了不在場外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
12321.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
12323.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
已經發言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
12323.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
12325.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
報告及詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
12325.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
12327.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
本日會議有黃仁委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
12327.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
12329.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
傅坤琪委員提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
12329.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
12331.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
12331.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
12333.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
請列入紀錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
12333.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
12335.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
委員書面及口頭質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
12335.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
12337.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
為其答覆部分或要求補充資料者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
12337.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
12339.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
請相關機關兩周內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
12339.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
12341.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
12341.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
12343.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
委員由指定期限者重啟規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
12343.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
12345.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
以上如果涉及機密部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
12345.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
12347.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
請確實依相關保密規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
12347.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
12349.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
本日會議到此結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
12349.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
12351.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
上會 |