| IVOD_ID |
17768 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17768 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T08:36:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T10:59:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:22:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db90e2c47cd250ac01bad8c7fb33f26dd91f0f14e9ecaf477f4eebcd66ca5894c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員、經濟部部長、勞動部首長、數位發展部首長及交通部首長就「公平會就跨境事業併購案之結合審查機制，是否納入複雜股權結構、勞動權益與資安風險等考量?」進行報告，並備質詢。
【10月21日及22日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:32 - 10:59:00 |
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現在開會進行報告思想請宣讀 |
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邀請公民教育委員會代理主任委員 |
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經濟部部長 勞動部首長 |
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數位發展部首長及交通部首長就 |
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公平會就跨境事業併關之結合審查機制 |
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1430.13 |
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市府納入複雜股權結構 |
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1430.13 |
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1432.09 |
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勞動權益與資安風險等考量 |
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1432.09 |
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1433.97 |
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進行報告並被執行宣傳筆 |
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那我們介紹在場的 |
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1437.73 |
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1439.59 |
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獵襲機關首長 |
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1442.75 |
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首先是公平教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明 |
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1442.75 |
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1443.51 |
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陳主委 |
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1447.3 |
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然後是經濟部投資審議司的 |
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蘇奇彥 |
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蘇司長 |
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1452.27 |
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在後面 |
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1455.55 |
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然後商業發展署的顏和慶副組長 |
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1456.67 |
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歡迎您 |
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1460.11 |
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接下來是勞動部李建宏政務次長 |
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1460.11 |
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1460.51 |
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歡迎 |
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1461.2 |
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1464.92 |
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以及數位發展部楊佳麟政務次長 |
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1464.92 |
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1465.36 |
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歡迎您 |
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1466.75 |
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1470.91 |
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有數位產業署的黃雅萍副組長 |
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1471.31 |
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歡迎 |
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1472.27 |
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1475.87 |
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以及資通安全署的陳慧萍主任秘書 |
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1476.39 |
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歡迎 |
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1480.64 |
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以及交通部公共運輸及監理司的 |
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1482.6 |
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胡迪奇市長 |
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1483.34 |
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1484.34 |
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歡迎 |
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1485.14 |
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1485.64 |
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那麼 |
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1486.27 |
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1487.27 |
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那本日議程呢 |
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1487.27 |
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1492.27 |
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排定公評會就跨境事業並購案之結合審查機制 |
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1492.77 |
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1494.77 |
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是否納入複雜股權結構 |
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1494.77 |
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1498.77 |
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勞動權益與資安風險等考量進行報告並被質詢 |
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1499.27 |
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那首先我們就請公評交友委員會代理主任委員陳子銘報告 |
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1514.04 |
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好,主席 |
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1514.78 |
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1516.78 |
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各位與會的 |
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1517.8 |
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1518.8 |
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先進,大家好 |
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1519.3 |
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1522.8 |
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今天很高興能夠代表公評會來到進委會 |
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1522.8 |
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針對公評會針對跨境事業的結合案 |
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1529.8 |
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是不是處理複雜的股權結構還有勞 |
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1535.8 |
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跟與資安跟國安還有勞動問題的一個議題來提出報告 |
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1536.3 |
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1538.8 |
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那首先我先簡單講一下公評會對於 |
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1539.53 |
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1541.53 |
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跨境事業結合審查的一些基本架構 |
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1542.53 |
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1543.53 |
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我們對於跨境事業 |
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1549.53 |
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特別是跨境事業的股權之間的控制跟掌控的一個議題 |
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1549.53 |
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1551.53 |
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其實在法規裡面都有一些基本的規定 |
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1552.64 |
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1555.64 |
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那從最基本的什麼叫公評法要處理的結合 |
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1559.64 |
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那個結合定義裡面在我們公評法第十條已經有五款的規定 |
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1559.64 |
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1562.64 |
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其中的第二款已經寫得很清楚 |
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1566.64 |
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就是假設你的持股比例超過三分之一的話 |
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1568.64 |
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那原則上就會構成我們所謂的結合 |
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1570.64 |
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就有可能會被公評會審查 |
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1574.64 |
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那我們在計算那個股份持股是不是超過三分之一的部分 |
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1574.64 |
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1580.64 |
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我們會把屬於控制跟從屬關係事業的持股一併的納入計算 |
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1586.64 |
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那透過這種方式是比較可以反映出結合事業真正的一個市場的經濟力 |
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1588.64 |
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那接下來如果符合結合以後 |
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1590.64 |
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我們就會進入到所謂的實質審查 |
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1590.64 |
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1592.64 |
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那實質審查有實質審查的門檻 |
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目前公評法裡面是採取市占率跟所謂的銷售金額兩個門檻 |
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那不管是用市占率來算 |
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或是用銷售金額來算 |
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1605.98 |
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在我們的公評加以法第十一條裡面都有規定 |
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1609.98 |
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對於具有控制跟從屬關係的事業他的市占率 |
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1612.98 |
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還有他的營業額我們都要一併的納入計算 |
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所以這個其實間接的也就讓公評會可以針對所謂的比較複雜 |
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或是具有控制關係的這些股權 |
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還有這個市占率競爭因素等等可以納入考慮 |
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所以這大概是一個基本的一個架構 |
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那當然有時候我們會遇到一些案子是不符合三分之一的規定 |
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但是事實上這些案子可能都會涉及到競爭者之間有相互的交叉持股 |
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1640.98 |
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就如同我們昨天公佈的這個規格表案一樣 |
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那這個部分我們的審查方式就是把這種 |
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1650.32 |
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競爭者之間有跨公司持股的議題把它轉換在我們的競爭審查當中 |
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我們會去分析到底這個會不會對市場競爭造成損害 |
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1660.32 |
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所以原則上來講股權的結構都會納入到我們結合的審查裡面 |
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1665.32 |
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那當然我們可以發現到這個跨國併購這個股權的分層結構越來越複雜 |
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1670.32 |
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所以未來我們可預見的應該會有更多類似這種所謂交叉持股的案子會進來 |
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那對這個部分公佈會向來除了在公平法的規定底下去行使自己的職權以外 |
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我們也通常在審查的時候會積極的要求這個業者必須要透明 |
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把他們真正之間的股權架構盡可能要公開給我們 |
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1689.32 |
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以利我們做進一步的競爭的審查 |
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1692.91 |
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那在符合這些條件以後我們進入實質審查以後 |
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1696.91 |
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我們的考慮因素會因為結合的類型而有所不一樣 |
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1700.91 |
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譬如說假設是水平結合涉及到競爭者之間的一個結合案件 |
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1704.91 |
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那我們會深入去分析到底市場的集中度有沒有變化 |
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1711.91 |
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那在這個變化的市場集中度底下結合以後市場的價格效果就是單方效果會不會漲價 |
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1717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那是不是有利於業者之間特別是競爭者之間來進行所謂的聯合行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
1717.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
1721.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
那就是市場越來越集中業者要進行聯合行為是不是更方便 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
1721.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
1724.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
那當然我們也會考慮到是不是有所謂的反制制衡的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
1724.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
1729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
市場上的潛在競爭足不足以來消滅這樣的一個市場力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
1729.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
1733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
那另外就是我們也會考慮到結合所帶來的效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
1733.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
1736.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
有時候結合可以帶動業者的創新降低成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
1736.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
1738.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
我們通常都會並合的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
1738.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
1741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
那垂直結合的部分就會有不同的分析架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
1741.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
1744.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
通常我們在垂直結合上下游之間業者的結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
1744.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
1749.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們就會考慮到結合以後會不會讓業者更有能力去實施市場封鎖跟排除的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
1749.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
1753.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
那另外最後一個多角化結合就是跨業異業的結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
1753.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
1758.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那這部分我們看看這個結合是不是會對潛在的競爭者本來是可以成為競爭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
1758.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
1760.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
後來變成不競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
1760.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
1762.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
所以這基本上大概是我們審查的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
1762.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
1765.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那在經過市政的調查跟效果的評估以後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
1765.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
1769.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們最後判斷的標準是規定在公平交易法第十三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
1769.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
1772.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
我們會綜合去判斷到底限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
1772.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
1775.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
跟所謂的整體經濟利益兩者之間疏大疏小 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
1777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
1780.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那如果整體競爭利益是可以大過限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
1780.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
1783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
那即使說這個結合可能有一些競爭的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
1783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
1786.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
但是顯然這個狹不掩瑜 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
1786.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
1789.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
所以我們可能就會通過這個結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
1789.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
1793.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
或者是在大部分情況底下我們會用附負擔或附條件的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
1793.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
1800.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
把我們對這個結合案的關切的點變成是要求業者必須要履行的負擔或條件來通過這個結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
1800.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
1804.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那當然另外一種方式就是就是全然的禁止這樣的結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
1804.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
1806.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
所以我們的判準大概是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
1806.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
1809.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
最後針對另外一個議題就是有關國安跟資安的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
1809.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
1813.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
首先這個部分因為目前在我國的法律架構底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
1813.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
1815.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
其實都有相關的主管機關在負責審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
1815.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
1818.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
所以公平會通常不會去進行這部分的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
1818.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
1822.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
那也許在那種情況有一種情況底下就是當資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
1822.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
1826.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
譬如說隱私權的保護他可以被連結到競爭的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
1827 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
1832 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
就是隱私權的保護他可能成為業者實施反競爭行為的一個工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
1832 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
1834 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
那這個時候也許我們會進入成這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
1834 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
1838 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
但是目前在我們實務上大部分的主張資安國安這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
1838 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
1841 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
通常就是針對資安國安本身獨立的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
1841 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
1844 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
比較少去談論到事實上在個案裡面我們也很少看到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
1844 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
國安資安會變成是一個競爭有關的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
1847 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
不過公平會立場大概就是我們出發點 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
1849 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
1854 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
不管是非競爭的議題我們會從他是不是跟競爭有關聯性這個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
1854 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
1857 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
如果他有明顯的關係我們才會進入審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
1857 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
1861 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
否則的話我們會尊重其他主管機關的一個審查的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
1861 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
1864 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那我以上做簡單的報告請委員多多指教謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
1865.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
1871.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
好謝謝陳主任委員接下來請經濟部投資審議司蘇奇諺書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
1882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
1884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
主席各位委員大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
1884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
1888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
今天經濟部就針對外資來台投資審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
1888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
1891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
以及企業併購的部分做一個簡要的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
1891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
1894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
那再請各位委員先進不吝赤腳 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
1895.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
1901.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
第一點重大投資會經過我們跨部會投資審議會的一個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
1901.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
1905.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那經濟部為了要處理投資技術合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
1906.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
1911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
特別有設立一個投資審議會來作為審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
1911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
1916.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
僑外投資、陸資投資、對國外跟對大陸投資的一個審查平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
1916.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
1922.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
那審議會的委員有包括國安會、陸委會、勞動部、數位部等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
1922.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
1924.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
是九個部會的一個副首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
1924.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
1927.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那本部也會是案件的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
1927.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
1931.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
必要時會再提到審議會做一個重整的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
1931.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
1935.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
重整各機關意見來做一個審慎的一個准駁 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
1935.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
1938.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那第二點跨境事業併購適用的法規部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
1938.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
1942.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
外資投資主要是適用外國人投資條例的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
1942.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
1945.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
那這邊除了有定義投資的定義之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
1945.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
1949.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
另外針對同條例第七條也有規定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
1949.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
1953.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
對國家安全、公共秩序、善良風俗、國民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
1954.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
1956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
或者其他法律禁止投資的事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
1956.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
1958.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
投資人申請投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
1959.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
1962.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
的部分我們可以禁止投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
1962.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
1967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那在那個投資人如果是投資在法律或基於法律授權 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
1967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
1968.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
訂定的一個命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
1968.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
1973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
而限制的投資事業我們必須要先取得目的事業主管機關的許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
1975.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
1976.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那根據第八條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
1976.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
1980.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
投資人也要依照這個條例事先申請許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
1980.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
1982.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
經過核准之後才能投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
1983.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
1987.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
那在入資投資的部分主要是依據兩岸條例的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
1987.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
1991.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
那兩岸條例另外有在授權訂立一個大陸地區人民乃台 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
1991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
1993.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
投資許可辦法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
1993.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
1996.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那這個規定所定義的投資人 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
1996.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2000.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
除了大陸的公司自然人之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2001.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2005.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
還有包括直接間接持有第三地公司股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
2005.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2008.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
包括超過30%或者具有 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2010.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
控制能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2010.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2014.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
那如果這部分就不適用外國人投資條例的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2016.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2018.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
那還有一個是七月訂購法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2019.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2021.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
這部分主要是 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2021.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2023.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
規範公司進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2024 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2025 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
法定程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2025.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
內部治理還有利害關係人全力的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2032.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2033.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
第三點 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2036.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
外資入資來台投資的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
2036.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2038.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
都要事先申請許可 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
2039.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那本部在受理案件的時候都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2045.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
先審查他的上層股權結構確認他 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
2045.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2047.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
是不是符合入資的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2047.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那除了股權形式上的股權審查之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2050.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2054.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
也會納入實質控制能力的一個認定標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2055.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2057.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
所以陳上 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2058.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2060.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
就申請來台投資案件的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2060.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2062.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我們除了依法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2063.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
及個案具體情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2065.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2066.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
橫著規範目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2066.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2067.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
共共利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2068.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2071.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
政府政策事業建立計畫等等必要考量因素之外 |
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2072.83 |
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2076.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
也會就跨部會審查評估 |
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2076.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2078.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
投資案是否有國家安全 |
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2078.83 |
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2079.83 |
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公共秩序 |
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2079.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2082.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
善良風俗國民健康等不利影響的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2082.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2085.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
來做是否同意的決定 |
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2085.83 |
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2087.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
那入資的投資案 |
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2088.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2090.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
另外有針對 |
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2091.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2093.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
投資人具有黨政軍背景的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2093.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2095.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
也會要限制他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2095.05 |
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2097.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
投資 |
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2098.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2100.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
那如果有經濟上具有 |
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2100.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2102.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
獨佔寡佔壟斷性地位 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2103.39 |
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2105.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
或者 |
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2104.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2106.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
政治社會文化上有敏感性 |
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2106.55 |
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2108.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
或影響國家安全 |
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2109.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2111.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
或者對 |
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2110.78 |
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2112.78 |
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國內經濟發展 |
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2112.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2114.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
金融穩定有不利影響的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2114.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2116.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
的限制或禁止 |
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2118.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2120.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
最後針對 |
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2121.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2123.01 |
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跨國併購案件 |
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2123.29 |
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2125.29 |
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我們會考量他對國家安全 |
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2126.29 |
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2128.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
經濟發展的影響 |
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2128.04 |
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2130.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
那如果另外涉及到 |
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2130.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2132.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
公平交易 |
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2131.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2133.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
所稱的失業結合的部分 |
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2133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2135.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
我們也會會商公民會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2135.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2137.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那如果涉及到併購法 |
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2137.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
勞工權益的部分 |
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2139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2141.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
也會會商勞動部的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2143.27 |
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2145.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
那如果有涉及到收集 |
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2145.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2147.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
大量擱置者 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2147.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2149.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我們也會再 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2149.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2151.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
洽詢蘇惠部的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2151.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2153.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
那最後在面對跨境併購 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2153.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2155.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
日益複雜的股權安排及 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2155.38 |
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2157.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
國家安全勞動權益等 |
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2157.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
資安的新興議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2159.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
本部將持續透過跨部會審查機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2163.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
審慎把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2163.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2167.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
並視國際情勢產業發展及實務需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
2167.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2169.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
視時間到進行相關的審查作業及配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2169.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2171.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
確保投資 |
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2171.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2173.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
持續維護國家安全及產業競爭力 |
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2173.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2175.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
並兼顧我國產整體經濟利益的發展 |
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2175.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2177.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
以上報告 |
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2177.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2179.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
請委員指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2179.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2181.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
好 謝謝 |
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2182.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2184.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
投資審議司蘇執長 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2184.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2186.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
接下來有請勞動部政務次長李建宏報到 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2191.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2193.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
主席各位委員 |
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2193.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2195.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
大家早安 |
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2195.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2197.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
那勞動部以下就這個跨境事業併購 |
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2197.09 |
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2199.09 |
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案涉及到勞動權益的部分 |
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2199.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2201.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
來做報告 |
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2201.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2203.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
首先我分三個部分 |
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2203.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2205.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
第一部分就是說 |
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2205.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2207.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
在企業併購案如果是涉及到 |
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2207.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2209.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
流用勞工 |
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2209.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2211.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
他的這個權益的時候 |
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2211.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2213.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
目前勞動部 |
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2213.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2215.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
在相關的法規方面 |
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2215.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2217.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
是要看 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2217.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2219.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
這個併購的組織形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2219.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2221.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
然後併購的方式還有個案的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2221.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2223.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
要分別來看 |
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2223.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2225.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
適用是勞基法 |
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2225.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2227.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
通常是勞基法20條 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2227.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2229.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
或者是企業併購法17條到19條 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2229.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2231.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
還有金融機構合併法 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2231.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2233.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
那麼這些相關法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2233.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2235.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
裡面都會涉及到 |
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2235.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2237.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
勞工的勞動條件 |
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2237.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2239.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
工作年資還有 |
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2239.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2241.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
支遣費還有其他的權益 |
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2241.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2243.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
好這第一點在法規方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2243.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2245.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
第二點呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2245.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2247.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
在這個如果就像剛剛我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2247.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2249.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那個投審司司長講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2249.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2251.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
如果這個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2251.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2253.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
審查機關 |
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2253.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2255.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
他在審查的時候要 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2255.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2257.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
要求勞動部要提出這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2257.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2259.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
審查有關勞工權益的 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2259.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2261.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
部分的時候勞動部呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
2261.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2263.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
通常會提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2263.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2265.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
意見主要有兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2265.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2267.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
第一個我們勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2267.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2269.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
會要求在 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2269.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2271.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
針對這個併購方針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2271.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2273.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
流用勞工的部分不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2273.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
來片面變更 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2275.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2277.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
流用勞工的這個勞動條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2277.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2279.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
又或者也不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2279.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2281.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
來任意的支遣勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2282.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2284.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
第二點勞動部也會 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2284.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2286.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
提出意見要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2286.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2288.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
併購方在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2288.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2290.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
併購過程必須要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2290.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2292.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
尊重工會自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2292.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2294.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
然後聆聽這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2294.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2296.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
勞工會的意見而且要 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2296.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2298.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
善盡這個誠信協商的 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2298.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2300.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
這個義務另外勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2300.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2302.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
部呢在這個併購過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2302.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2304.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
也會來適時的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2304.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2306.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2306.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2308.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
勞工局處來介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2308.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2310.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個勞資 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2310.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2312.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
協商的過程來輔導勞資雙方 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2312.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2314.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
避免在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2314.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2316.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
併購過程發生勞資 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2316.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2318.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
爭議事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
通常在企業併購過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2324.15 |
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因為往往會涉及到 |
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2324.15 |
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2326.15 |
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事業經營的這個組織變動 |
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2326.15 |
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2328.15 |
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這樣的組織變動呢 |
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2328.18 |
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2330.18 |
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常常會引發勞工對未來 |
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2330.18 |
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2332.18 |
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工作的安排 |
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2332.18 |
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2334.18 |
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還有勞動權利的很高度的 |
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2334.18 |
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2336.18 |
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這個疑慮 |
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2335.39 |
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2337.39 |
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所以在併購過程中 |
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2337.39 |
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2339.39 |
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勞工部一貫的原則 |
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2339.39 |
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2341.39 |
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就是要 |
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2341.39 |
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2343.39 |
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會經常的來提醒 |
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2343.39 |
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2345.39 |
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甚至要求 |
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2345.39 |
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2347.39 |
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事業單位要 |
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2346.83 |
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2348.83 |
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也就併購方應該要充分的 |
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2348.83 |
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2350.83 |
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來關注 |
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2350.83 |
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2352.83 |
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勞工的意見 |
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2352.83 |
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2354.83 |
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聆聽工會的這個 |
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2354.83 |
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2356.83 |
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想法 |
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2356.83 |
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2358.83 |
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主動傾聽勞工的訴求 |
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2358.83 |
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2360.83 |
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跟工會 |
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2360.83 |
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2362.83 |
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還有勞工代表來做良好的 |
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2362.83 |
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2364.83 |
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溝通還有誠信協商 |
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2364.83 |
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2366.83 |
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針對勞工的流用 |
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2366.83 |
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2368.83 |
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勞動條件 |
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2368.83 |
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2370.83 |
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年資承認這些事項來做 |
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2370.83 |
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2372.83 |
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充分的協商 |
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2372.83 |
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2374.83 |
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然後回應勞工的疑慮 |
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2374.83 |
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2376.83 |
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那避免這個 |
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2376.83 |
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2378.83 |
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在併購過程中因為勞工的資訊 |
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2378.83 |
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2380.83 |
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比較不對稱 |
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2380.83 |
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2382.83 |
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會引發很多的這個爭議情況 |
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2382.83 |
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2384.83 |
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那以上就是勞動部針對 |
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2384.83 |
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2386.83 |
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這個併購過程 |
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2386.83 |
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2388.83 |
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跨境事業併購的三個意見 |
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2388.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2390.83 |
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以上謝謝 |
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2390.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
好謝謝勞動部理事長 |
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2392.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2394.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
接下來有請數位發展部的 |
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2394.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2396.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
政務次長楊嘉玲 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2399.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2401.75 |
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主席各位委員早安 |
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2401.75 |
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2403.75 |
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那我現在就數發部對於 |
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2403.75 |
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2405.75 |
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這個案件這個併購案 |
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2405.75 |
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2407.75 |
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所有的業務跟各位做一個簡短的報告 |
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2407.75 |
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2409.75 |
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那首先這個併購案裡面的 |
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2409.75 |
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2411.75 |
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富邦大市 |
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2411.75 |
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2413.75 |
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主要是經營外送平台提供餐飲 |
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2413.75 |
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2415.75 |
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還有商品線上的訂購服務 |
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2415.75 |
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2417.75 |
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並媒合消費者合作店家 |
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2417.75 |
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2419.75 |
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還有外送人員完成配送 |
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2419.75 |
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2421.75 |
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還有經營第三方支付的 |
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2421.75 |
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2423.75 |
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服務所以是數發部 |
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2423.75 |
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2425.75 |
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所管轄的 |
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2425.75 |
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2427.75 |
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這個第三方支付的服務業者 |
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2427.75 |
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2429.75 |
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那在這個併購案中我們主要的角色 |
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2429.75 |
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2431.75 |
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就是來 |
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2431.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2433.75 |
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協助經濟部在 |
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2433.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2435.75 |
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案件中關於國安各自 |
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2435.75 |
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2437.75 |
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疑慮等事項提供 |
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2437.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2439.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
審查的意見 |
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2439.75 |
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2441.75 |
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所以主要是兩個面向 |
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2441.75 |
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2443.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
第一個面向是第三方支付 |
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2443.75 |
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2445.75 |
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服務的範疇 |
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2445.75 |
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2447.75 |
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所以我們建議經濟部應具體要求 |
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2447.75 |
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2449.75 |
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業者符合我國法規 |
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2449.75 |
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2451.75 |
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規範那明確告知 |
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2451.75 |
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2453.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
當事人資料傳輸地區 |
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2453.75 |
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2455.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
且不得為目的外 |
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2455.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2457.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
之利用或請經濟部評估 |
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2457.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2459.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
是否要求業者 |
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2459.75 |
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2461.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
之個人資料因於我國 |
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2461.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2463.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
境內落地儲存或不得 |
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2463.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2465.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
使用阿里雲及任何 |
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2465.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2467.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
中國雲端服務以杜絕 |
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2467.75 |
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2469.75 |
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跨境資源資安風險 |
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2469.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
並落實法尊那第二個面向 |
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2471.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2473.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
最主要是在自通安全的範疇 |
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2473.75 |
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2475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
那麼數發部在一一五年 |
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2475.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2477.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
五月中下旬就陸續 |
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2477.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
協助經濟部就 |
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2479.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2481.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
收購FUPONDA案件 |
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2481.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2483.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
提供意見那經濟部 |
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2483.75 |
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2485.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
已要求GRAP就我國 |
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2485.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
用戶資料保護機制補充說明 |
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2487.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
針對GRAP所回應 |
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2489.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
資料管理及隱私保護 |
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2491.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2493.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
機制數發部已建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2493.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2495.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
經濟部要求禁止大陸 |
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2495.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2497.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
地區直接或間接 |
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2497.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2499.75 |
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連接存有我國用戶資料 |
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2499.75 |
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2501.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
資料中心一不得由 |
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2501.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2503.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
大陸地區關係企業 |
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2503.75 |
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2505.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
人員存取另外 |
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2505.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
經濟部所提供GRAP |
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2507.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2509.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
是相關說明GRAP與 |
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2509.75 |
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2511.75 |
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中國華為花瓣地圖 |
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2511.75 |
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2513.75 |
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合作僅限於東南亞 |
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2513.75 |
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2515.75 |
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八國不含我國 |
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2515.75 |
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2517.75 |
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且未規劃我國市場相關合作 |
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2517.75 |
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2519.75 |
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那麼未來亦將 |
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2519.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2521.75 |
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維持現行安排 |
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2521.75 |
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2523.75 |
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所以以上就是我們這邊 |
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2523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
跟經濟部協助所提供的意見 |
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2525.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2527.75 |
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那後續有什麼需要數發部來 |
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2527.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2529.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
就這個資安隱私的議題需要協助的地方 |
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2529.75 |
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2531.75 |
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我們會盡全力的來配合 |
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2531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2533.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
謝謝 |
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2533.3 |
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2535.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
好謝謝數發部 |
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2535.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2537.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
不過還是要提醒一下 |
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2537.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2539.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
因為我們今天的專案報告 |
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2539.3 |
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2541.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
不是針對個案 |
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2541.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我們的專報是針對跨境併購 |
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2543.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
可能衍生的包括資安 |
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2545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
的風險在內 |
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2547.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2549.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
那當然剛剛數發部他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2549.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2551.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
報告內容都是針對FUBENDA跟GRAP |
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2551.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2553.3 |
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但事實上我們關切的是 |
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跨境併購當中在通案上 |
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可能遇到的資安風險 |
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2559.3 |
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那這個後續請數發部 |
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可以再就補充的書面資料來 |
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好本會 |
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那麼事實上為什麼我們說這不是個案 |
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因為本個案如果是 |
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數發部所指稱的個案 |
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2571.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
在昨天公平交易委員會的新聞資料裡面 |
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2571.3 |
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2573.3 |
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公平會已經明白的禁止GRAP |
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2573.3 |
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跟FUBENDA公司的結合 |
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2577.3 |
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已經否准了這個GRAP的申請 |
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2577.3 |
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2579.3 |
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所以今天如果我們是討論 |
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個案事實上大可不必 |
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但是我們是就可能的個案 |
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來討論通案的檢討情況 |
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這一點在接下來委員的 |
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2589.3 |
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質詢當中請相關的 |
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2589.3 |
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2591.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
管機關的打詢應該掌握到這個原則 |
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2591.3 |
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2593.3 |
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好那麼有關於 |
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2595.3 |
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本次會議各部會所提的 |
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2597.3 |
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書面報告請委員自行 |
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參與並刊登公報現在進行 |
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詢答委員詢答前原例 |
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做一下宣告每位委員 |
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發言時間本會委員八分鐘 |
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2605.3 |
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2607.3 |
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必要時得延長兩分鐘非 |
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2607.3 |
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2609.3 |
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本會委員五分鐘上午十時 |
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2609.3 |
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2611.3 |
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三十分節止發言登記 |
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首先請登記第一位的邱盈盈 |
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委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下公評會 |
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好請公評會陳主委 |
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陳主委 |
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2636.3 |
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主委早主委我想還是要請教一下 |
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2636.3 |
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2638.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
昨天我想這個公評會 |
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2638.3 |
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2640.3 |
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花了很長的時間開會討論 |
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2642.3 |
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Grab收購FuPanda的這個案子 |
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2644.3 |
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那其實FuPanda |
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被收購 |
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已經兩次了 |
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2650.3 |
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兩次都被我們公評會駁回 |
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2652.3 |
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一次是在2024年 |
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這個Uber本來是要 |
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2654.3 |
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2656.3 |
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收購FuPanda那公評會 |
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2658.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
也禁止他們結合那一次就是 |
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現在的這個2026年 |
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2662.3 |
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Grab要收購FuPanda |
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2664.3 |
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我想請教一下 |
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2666.3 |
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這個當然我們尊重整個 |
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2666.3 |
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2668.3 |
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公評會的依法審查 |
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2668.3 |
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2670.3 |
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公評會一定有自己相關禁止結合 |
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2672.3 |
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的這個考量 |
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我想更進一步請教 |
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2676.3 |
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當我們在 |
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2676.3 |
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2678.3 |
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審查會的審查的這個過程 |
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2678.3 |
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2680.3 |
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裡頭我們 |
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2680.3 |
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2682.3 |
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兩年前禁止了Uber Eats收購 |
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2682.3 |
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2684.3 |
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FuPanda現在又禁止了Grab收購 |
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2684.3 |
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2686.3 |
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FuPanda到底我們有沒有 |
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2686.3 |
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2688.3 |
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實際去了解FuPanda對於 |
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2690.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
經營台灣市場的意向 |
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2690.3 |
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2692.3 |
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到底是如何 |
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2692.3 |
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2694.3 |
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或者是說 |
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2696.3 |
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其實Uber也公開 |
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2696.3 |
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2698.3 |
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也說明了他們其實是想要 |
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2700.3 |
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直接收購 |
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2702.3 |
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這個delivery |
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2704.3 |
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Hero |
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2707.38 |
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所以他要直接從他的母公司 |
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2707.38 |
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2709.38 |
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去做收購喔 |
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2709.71 |
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2711.71 |
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到底我們公評會有沒有去做過這樣的一個評估 |
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2711.71 |
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2713.71 |
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我們擋下了這樣的一個 |
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2713.71 |
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2715.71 |
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併購案 |
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2715.71 |
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2717.71 |
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那接下來呢 |
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2716.92 |
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2718.92 |
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FuPanda的整個經營的意願是什麼 |
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2718.92 |
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2720.92 |
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如果到最後 |
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2720.92 |
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2722.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
FuPanda直接放棄台灣市場 |
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2722.92 |
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2724.92 |
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那其實前面的審查 |
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2726.92 |
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都是多餘的嘛 |
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2726.92 |
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2728.92 |
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他未來還是可能只剩下一個Uber Eats |
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2728.92 |
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2730.92 |
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又或者是他的母公司 |
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2730.92 |
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2732.92 |
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整個直接被Uber Eats |
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2732.92 |
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2734.92 |
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收購了那未來的整個 |
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2734.92 |
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2736.92 |
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外送的市場還是只有 |
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2736.92 |
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2738.92 |
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Uber Eats |
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2738.92 |
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2740.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
那公評會如何面對這樣子未來有可能的 |
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2742.26 |
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2744.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
不管是競爭態勢 |
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2744.26 |
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2746.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
或者是未來有可能的市場發展 |
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2746.26 |
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2748.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
公評會怎麼看 |
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2748.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
2750.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
跟委員報告就是昨天在討論 |
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2750.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
2752.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
花了很長的時間在討論這個案子 |
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2752.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
2754.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
其實委員關切的議題在委員會裡面 |
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2754.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
2756.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
我們都有做了一些討論 |
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2756.26 |
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2758.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
那最後 |
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2758.26 |
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2760.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
因為稍微說一下你們討論的這個 |
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2760.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
2762.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
概況到如果真的有這樣的 |
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2762.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
2764.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
狀況發生的時候 |
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2764.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
2766.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
我接下來要跟委員報告就是說 |
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2766.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
2768.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
其實我們當然也知道外界的關切 |
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2768.26 |
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2770.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
就是假設這個案子禁止以後 |
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2770.26 |
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2772.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
Foodpanda可能就不願意再經營 |
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2772.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
2774.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
那Uber可能會變成獨裁 |
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2774.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
2776.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
那委員也充分表達意見 |
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2776.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
2778.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
那基本上我們的立場 |
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2778.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
2780.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
委員的立場是認為說 |
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2780.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
2782.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你的委員是你們的審查委員 |
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2782.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
2784.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
對不對 |
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2784.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
2786.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
你把審查兩個字帶進去 |
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2786.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
2788.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
這樣人家會以為是我充分表達我的意見 |
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2788.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
2790.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
多數委員我們審查多數審查委員 |
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2790.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
2792.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
是認為說這個東西是一個不確定的因素 |
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2792.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
2794.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
那對於各案的審查來講 |
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2794.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
2796.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我想多數委員還是傾向於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
2796.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
2798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
以既有的現況來做一些分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
2798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
2800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
跟評估 |
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2800.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
2802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
所以我們有注意到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
2802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
2804.26 |
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但是最後做決定的時候 |
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2804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
2806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
我們是認為說這個都還在進行式當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
2806.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
2808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
或者是說未來一些不確定的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
2808.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
2810.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
所以並沒有再繼續深入的去探討這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
2810.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
2812.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
所以才會做出這個決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
2812.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
2814.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
好來我請一下經濟部好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
2819.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
2821.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
那投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
2821.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
2823.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
來投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
2822.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
2824.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
2823.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
2825.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
那國研好 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
2841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
2845.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
如果Uber的全球收購持續推進的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
2846.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
2848.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
那假如FUPENTA在台灣的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
2848.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
2850.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
因為這個母公司的交易層級 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
2850.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
2852.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
去把它停掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
2852.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
2854.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
它已經整個就併到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
2854.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
2856.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
這個Uber的系統裡頭去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
2857.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
2860.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
你覺得台灣或者是說經濟部這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
2860.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
2863.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
你們會如何面對這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
2863.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
2865.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
然後會有什麼樣的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
2865.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
2867.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
或者是什麼樣的因應之道 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
2869.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
2871.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
首先跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
2871.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
2873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
就是之前我們確實有先了解說 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
2873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
2877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
在Uber在收購FUPENTA母公司的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
2877.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
2881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
那我們得到的答覆初步是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
2881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
2885.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
在當時因為那個Grab已經有 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
2885.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
2887.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
啟動收購案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
2887.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
2891.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
那這個部分在收購FUPENTA母公司的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
2891.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
2893.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
是排除掉台灣業務的 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
2893.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
2895.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
那現在的狀況當然就因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
2895.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
2897.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
看起來Grab是不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
2897.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
2899.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
所以你們了解的時候是因為Grab要來收購FUPENTA |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
2899.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
2905.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
所以他們Uber在收購Delivery Hero的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
2905.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
2907.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
他就直接排除掉台灣的市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
2907.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
2911.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
那現在的狀況已經不一樣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
2911.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
2913.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
我們駁回了Grab的收購計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
2913.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
2915.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
那未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
2915.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
2919.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
Uber Eats在整個收購母公司的計畫裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
2919.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
2923.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
會不會納入台灣的市場的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
2923.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
2924.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
2924.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
2926.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
這個有沒有事先去做過評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
2926.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
2928.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
或者是事先去做過了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
2928.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
2931.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
或是好有可能這個事情是昨天才發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
2931.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
2933.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
所以未來你們的整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
2934.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
2936.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
英明的狀況評估的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
2937.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
2939.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
這個部分經濟部都會透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
2939.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
2941.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
所謂的像比如說我們去收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
2941.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
2943.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
國際的一些併購的商情 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
2943.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
2945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
那如果說確認說 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
2945.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
2947.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
可能會包括在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
2947.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
2949.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
或者還不確定的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
2949.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
2953.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
我們會先去跟Uber的代理人去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
2953.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
2957.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
說這個案子未來是怎麼樣的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
2957.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
2959.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
那就經濟部本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
2959.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
2961.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
因為我們是外資的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
2961.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
2963.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
所以說即使是上層股東的變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
2963.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
2965.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
我們主要還是確認說 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
2965.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
2968.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
他是不是維持外資的一個身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
2969.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
2972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
對那當然他如果說確定會變更的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
2972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
2974.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那就可能會涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
2974.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
2977.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
FuPenta本身在台灣的投資計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
2977.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
2978.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
可能會有變更 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
2978.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
2981.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
那我們可能會再請原本FuPenta的 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
2981.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
2984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
投資人來做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
2984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
2986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
不過因為這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
2986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
2988.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
可能主要的重點還是會回歸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
2988.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
2991.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
如果Uber併了FuPenta的母公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
2991.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
2993.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
那一樣會有事業結合的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
2993.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
2995.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
可能重點還是會在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
2995.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
2998.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
所以我這個也是我要請教公評會 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
2998.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3001.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
就是說我們現在當然只處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3001.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3003.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
我現在眼前看到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3003.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3004.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
我現在眼前收的件 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3004.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3006.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
就是Grab要去收購FuPenta |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3006.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3009.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
那將來在整個經濟市場的變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3009.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
整個外送市場的變動之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3011.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3013.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
併購風潮的變動之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3013.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3016.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
如果Uber直接就去收購了他的母公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3016.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3018.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
那未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3022.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
還是有可能會有這樣的狀況出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3022.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3023.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
那這個時候已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3023.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3026.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
他根本就不需要送公評會處理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3026.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
因為他就是已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3029.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
直接是Uber宣稱的交通 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3029.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3030.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
昨天討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3030.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3031.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
這個議題其實我們也有討論到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3031.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3032.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
不過就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3032.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3033.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
跟委員報告一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3033.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3034.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
當然你現在無法預估 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3034.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3035.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
未來的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3035.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3036.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我們是無法預估 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3036.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3038.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
然後另外就是針對委員提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3038.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3041.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
Uber全球收購Deliver Hero這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3041.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
目前沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3042.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3043.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
他是透過公開收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3043.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3046.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
來收購他在德國母公司的股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3046.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3047.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
但是因為這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3047.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
將來還是要經過競爭主管機關的協和可才可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3050.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3051.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
所以他有可能在德國 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3051.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3052.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
在其他歐盟的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3052.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3054.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
他必須要接受競爭的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3054.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3055.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
第二點就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3055.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3057.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
因為事實上我們之前已經進了 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
Uber收購FUPENTA |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3060.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
所以這樣的結合行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3061.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3062.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
將來如果真的發生 |
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3062.89 |
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3065.89 |
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他其實也要受我們法規的約束 |
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3065.89 |
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3066.89 |
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所以公評會還是有 |
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3066.89 |
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3067.89 |
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在法律上有空間 |
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3067.89 |
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3069.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
可以來針對這個收購行為 |
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3069.89 |
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3072.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
來認定他在公評法上的一個效果 |
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3072.89 |
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3073.89 |
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所以這大概是昨天 |
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3073.89 |
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3074.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
我們在審查的時候 |
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3074.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3075.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
多數審查委員的意見 |
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3075.89 |
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3076.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
大概是這樣子 |
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3076.89 |
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3078.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
所以就是我剛剛跟他講 |
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3078.89 |
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3079.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
不確定因素我們不考慮 |
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3079.89 |
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3080.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
但是對這個東西 |
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3080.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3081.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
我們會去思考 |
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3081.89 |
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3082.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
法規上是不是 |
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3082.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
我們還有一些著墨跟回應的空間 |
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3085.89 |
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3086.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
好 了解 |
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3086.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3088.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
這個當然大家也會非常的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3088.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3089.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
未來走到最後會不會 |
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3089.89 |
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3090.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
還是真的變成 |
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3090.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
只有Uber一家獨大 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3092.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3093.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
那這個寡占市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3093.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3095.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
包括外送員的權利 |
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3095.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3099.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
包括商家的利益 抽成等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3099.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3101.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
各式各樣的這些法規保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3101.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3103.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
未來如果變成一家獨大的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3103.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3105.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
我們應該怎麼樣去做因應面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3105.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3106.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
這個可能也是將來 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3106.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3108.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
我們要持續去討論的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3108.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3110.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
是 我們會持續的觀察 |
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3110.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3112.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
好 另外我想再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3112.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3114.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
第二個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3115.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3116.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
這個我不曉得主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3116.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3119.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
您有沒有看過這樣的一個廣告 |
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3119.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
就是KIA這個汽車公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3123.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
它的這個廣告宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3125.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3128.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
它說這個KIA的Sportage |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3128.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3132.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
是歐洲撞擊五顆星安全認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3133.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3135.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
可是後來發現了其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3135.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3137.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
它交到台灣來的這一輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3137.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3141.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
跟它在歐洲送驗的車型車款 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3141.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3142.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
包括內裝等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3142.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3143.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
其實是完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3144.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3145.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
不是說完全的 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3145.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3147.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
大部分是不太一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3147.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3148.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3148.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3150.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
我們台灣交通部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3150.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3152.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
新車安全平等報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3152.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3154.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
只給了它兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3155.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3157.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
我們今天有交通部的官員嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3159.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3162.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
公共運輸及監理司長是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3162.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3164.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
是不是先跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3164.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
這個案子我們已經處分了 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3165.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3166.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
我知道你們處分了 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3166.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3167.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
我現在要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3168.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3170.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
我當然知道你們處分了 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3170.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3171.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
我現在要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3172.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3174.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
像這些廣告在出來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3174.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3177.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
你們有沒有可能第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3177.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
或者不要說第一時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3178.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3179.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
就是它廣告一上架的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3179.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3180.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
你們就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3180.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3183.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我想是主動關切跟事後罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3183.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3185.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
兩個不同的差別 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3185.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3186.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
你的事後罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3186.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3188.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
很多人很多消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3188.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3189.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
有可能因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3189.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3191.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
因為這樣的一個安全認證的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3191.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3193.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
他去買了這輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3193.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3195.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
他信任的這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3195.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3197.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
歐洲認證的五顆星安全的撞擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3198.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
後來才發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
其實它在台灣只有兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
它的安全撞擊力只有兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3202.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3204.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
所以當然你們認為它是廣告不實 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3204.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3205.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
所以你們就罰了它款 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3205.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
可是安全這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3208.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
通常不會是事後才去做補強嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3211.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
我們應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
他買這輛車 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3213.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3216.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
很多是因為它的安全係數是到五顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3216.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
所以我要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
有沒有可能是事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3219.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3221.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
去做好把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3222.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3225.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
好過於我們在事後才去做罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3227.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3228.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
來出會 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3228.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3230.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
公平會大概我們有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3230.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3232.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
不實廣告的事前的監測機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3232.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
我們有些網路事前監測 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3234.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
當然我們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3234.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3237.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
再怎麼樣綿密總是會有漏網之力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3237.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3239.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
那這個案子主要當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3239.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3241.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
從外界檢舉而來我們才得知 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3241.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
不過我們這幾年都盡量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3243.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3245.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
希望能夠透過這些數位的科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3245.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3246.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
盡可能早期的發現這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3246.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3247.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
不實廣告的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3247.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
那我們在有些案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3249.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
我們也會主動去 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3249.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3251.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
有發現這個疑義的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3251.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3253.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
我們會主動介入調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3253.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3256.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
好來 那個交通部可不可以說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3256.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3258.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
比如說像這些車商 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3258.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3260.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
他一定要受你們的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3260.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3262.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
那受你們檢測出來的車款 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3262.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3263.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
台灣是兩顆星 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3263.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3264.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
但是他的廣告是 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3264.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3266.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
引用歐洲的五顆星的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3268.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3270.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
交通部有沒有什麼一些比較積極的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3272.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3275.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
當然我們也是接受檢舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3275.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
我們就有把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3276.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3277.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
所以你們還是要接受檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3277.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3278.38 |
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你們還是被動的接受 |
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3278.38 |
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被動的去審查這件事情 |
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3281.38 |
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被動的去了解 |
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3282.38 |
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3284.38 |
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接收到這樣的一個資訊就是了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
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我們主動 |
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3286.38 |
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3287.38 |
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我們應該是說 |
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3287.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3289.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
車輛在審查的時候 |
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3289.38 |
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其實都是主動集資 |
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就比如說像TNCAP這個 |
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我們在審 |
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3293.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3296.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
他提供的資料都是符合他 |
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3296.38 |
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3299.38 |
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因為他並沒有在審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3299.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3301.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
那個TNCAP的測試的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3301.38 |
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3302.38 |
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有不實的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
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3305.38 |
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因為他其實就是照他的實際的 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3305.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3308.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
配備來做TNCAP的測試 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3308.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3309.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
那TNCAP的測試之後 |
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3309.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3312.38 |
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也是給依照他來測試的車款 |
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就是依照他來 |
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你講這個我都懂啦 |
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3318.71 |
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我現在要問你的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3318.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3319.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
你的TNCAP |
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3319.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3321.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
他驗出來只有兩顆星 |
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3321.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
可是他在做廣告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3324.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
他不會用你們的TNCAP |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3328.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
他講的是歐洲認證是五顆星 |
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3330.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
那這個落差其實是很大 |
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3332.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
除非你們的驗證標準 |
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3334.71 |
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是有很大的不同 |
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| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3336.71 |
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否則五顆星跟兩顆星 |
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3337.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
其實落差是很大的 |
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3337.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3339.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
我要談的是這一些 |
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3339.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
車輛安全的認證的問題 |
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3342.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3344.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
有沒有可能我們就是 |
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3347.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3349.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
就你在發現他的廣告不實的時候 |
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3352.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
其實我們就能夠第一時間 |
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3353.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
去抓出來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3355.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
當然公民衛會事後開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
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3356.19 |
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我現在談的是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3359.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
在安全的所謂的宣傳上面 |
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3360.15 |
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| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
這個你們回去想一下 |
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3363.15 |
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我知道你大概也回答不出來 |
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3367.13 |
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好謝謝邱委員 |
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3369.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3371.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
謝謝主委跟各位 |
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3371.13 |
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3373.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
接下來我們有請楊瓊英委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3379.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
謝謝主席楊瓊英發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3381.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3382.17 |
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邀請公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
請公平會陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3391.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3392.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
邱委員早 |
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3392.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3394.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
主委 |
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3394.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3396.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
昨天公平會做出了這一項 |
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3396.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3397.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
重大的決議 |
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3397.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
正式宣布禁止東南亞外送龍頭GRAP |
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3401.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
收購FUPENTA台灣業務 |
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3404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3407.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
公平會這一次出現了 |
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3407.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3410.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
展現出獨立機關的一個專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3410.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3412.32 |
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也因為你們發現 |
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3412.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3414.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
表面上是GRAP來收購 |
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3414.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3416.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
但是它背後Uber |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3419.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
它有GRAP的13%的股份 |
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3419.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
而且有3.7%的表決權 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3426.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
甚至有董事兼任的這個關係 |
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| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3430.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
那如果說放行表面上是兩家競爭 |
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| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
實際上它是背後股權實質的連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3436.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
那削弱的競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3436.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3438.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
這完全是披著羊 |
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3438.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3441.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
披著羊皮的狼 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3441.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3444.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
所以我首先要肯定公平會 |
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3444.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3446.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
這一次你看穿了這一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3446.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
也就是複雜股權的一個結構 |
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3449.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
但本席要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3451.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
這不能只是一個個案的驚險防守 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3458.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
台灣有沒有一套制度化 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3458.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3461.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
跨境事業並購實質 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3461.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3464.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
控制力的審查指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3464.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3467.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
因為面對到國際數位巨頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3467.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3469.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
用這種多層次的控股 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3469.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3470.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
交叉持股 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3470.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3472.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
或者是表決權的協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3472.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3475.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
來規避審查 |
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3475.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3476.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
那目前公平會 |
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3476.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3479.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
你針對於跨境並購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3479.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3481.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
複雜股權的結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3481.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3486.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
有沒有主動的穿透式的調查工具呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3486.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3487.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
還是業者送什麼資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3487.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
那你們就看這一些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3490.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3491.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3491.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3493.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
我在這邊要特別提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3493.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
如果跨境外的這個母公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3496.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3500.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
它隱瞞了關鍵的交叉持股 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3500.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3501.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
或者是它背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3501.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3503.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
有不友善的外資 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3503.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
特定勢力的實質控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3507.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
那公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3507.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3509.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
你要在幾十個工作天裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3509.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
去查出來 |
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3510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3513.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
那你的工具到底夠不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3513.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
所以是否你應該要正式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3519.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
將複雜股權結構專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3519.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3522.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
納入重大跨境並購的 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3522.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
強制審查的一個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3525.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
所以本席在這邊建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
也就是只要屬於高科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3529.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
數位平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3532.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
外送平台 |
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3532.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3535.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
這些高度集中市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3535.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
而且參與到結合事業股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
涉及到兩成以上的境外結構者 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3544.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
那公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3544.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3548.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
你應該要依照公交法第十一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3548.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3550.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
或者是第十一條之一的 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3550.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3552.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
一個職權要求 |
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業者提交由第三方 |
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獨立機構認證的 |
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最終實質受益人 |
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與股權結構專案報告 |
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因為我們不能 |
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只有看申報書的表面 |
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主委 |
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剛剛本席所提議的 |
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你是不是願意納入未來 |
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你的處置原則 |
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請教說 |
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其實剛剛委員所關切的 |
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基本上我們的法規架構 |
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跟公平會實務上的做法 |
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我們都會考慮了 |
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其實像這種所謂 |
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複雜股權的一個 |
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涉及到的結合案 |
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我們在過去的結合案裡面 |
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也處理過 |
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只是因為過去的結合案 |
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可能沒有受到那麼大的矚目 |
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至於說交叉持股控股這些東西 |
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我們在結合審查的時候 |
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我們不會只看當事人 |
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提出的書面資料 |
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我們會要求他揭露 |
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他背後複雜的股權結構 |
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這個非常重要 |
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對 一定他們都會提供 |
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那你的工具夠不夠 |
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我們當然就是提供業者提供 |
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然後我們在判斷的過程當中 |
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假設我們覺得 |
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我們本身的專業判斷 |
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有一些局限的話 |
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我們還是會召開一些座談 |
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會請專家來提供意見 |
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但是就法的架構來講 |
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我覺得目前的法架構 |
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是可以歸納到這一塊 |
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只是說當然 |
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如同委員所講的 |
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數位競爭數位平台 |
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這個東西將來跨權越來越複雜 |
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外送平台 |
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那本會在這個案子 |
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做出來這樣的一個判斷以後 |
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當然未來本會就是 |
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朝這個方向 |
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朝這個方向 |
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未來可能很多案子 |
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我們都需要注意到這個問題 |
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對 謝謝主委 |
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你認同本席所提議 |
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所以我仍舊希望 |
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它不是一個個案的 |
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一個精選防守 |
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而是我希望的是 |
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你必須要透過這樣子的案子 |
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因為這個樣態 |
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這個隨時在變化 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下 |
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我們應該要有一套 |
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這個平台出來 |
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它該當怎麼樣的法規 |
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跨界或者是跨領域的 |
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一個專業的報告 |
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這些都必須納入 |
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在我們審查的必要程序當中 |
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我也附帶跟委員報告一下 |
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這種 |
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交叉持股 |
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跨境股票持股的案子 |
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其實我們很難有一個統一的標準 |
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其實很多東西股權的高低 |
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還有它到底有沒有影響市場經營 |
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不是統一的標準 |
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而是本席告訴你 |
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你要有一個標準 |
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要有一個平台 |
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要有一個標準怎麼樣去做 |
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至於如果委員關切是程序上 |
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我們要注意這個問題 |
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這個其實我們都有注意到 |
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3694.56 |
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在個案當中我們都會注意到 |
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3695.56 |
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這個部分必須要精進 |
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3697.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
因為主委跨境併購 |
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它不是只有影響到市場的競爭 |
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3704.56 |
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它還牽涉到數百萬國人的 |
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3707.56 |
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個人資安風險 |
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| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3709.56 |
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以及數十萬的勞工 |
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3712.56 |
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以及外送員的勞動權益 |
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這非常重要 |
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3716.56 |
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所以因此我要跟你再討論就是說 |
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3717.56 |
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像外送平台 |
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3721.56 |
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它擁有這麼大量國人在消費的習慣 |
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信用卡的資料 |
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| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3726.56 |
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地理位置數據的企業 |
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它一旦背後 |
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3729.56 |
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如果有複雜的跨境股權 |
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那這些資安的漏洞 |
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要誰來補呢 |
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3735.56 |
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所以我們公平問目前的審查 |
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往往我看到的是 |
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3740.56 |
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著重在經濟利益 |
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3742.56 |
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跟限制競爭之不利益 |
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3743.63 |
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3744.63 |
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的這個衡量 |
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但是本席認為 |
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3748.63 |
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複雜股權以及它背後 |
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3750.63 |
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所帶來的資安風險 |
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3750.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
3752.63 |
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勞動權益的損害 |
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3752.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
3757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
也是限制競爭的一個隱形成本 |
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3757.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
3758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
3758.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
3760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
我跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
3760.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
3762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
剛才開始我有報告到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
3762.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
3764.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
對於這些非經濟的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
3764.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
3766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
勞工資安國安等等的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
3766.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
3767.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
勞動權 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
3767.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
3768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
對勞動權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
3768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
3770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
如果它跟競爭有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
3770.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
3772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
公平衛視可以進一步的 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
3772.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
3774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
去瞭解跟審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
3774.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
3775.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
這是務必 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
3775.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
3778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
但是我想這裡面有一個區分 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
3778.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
3780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
就是說純粹的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
3780.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
3781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
純粹的資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
3781.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
3782.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
跟競爭無色的 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
3782.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
3784.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
這個其實我們有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
3784.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
3785.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
其他的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
3785.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
3786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
它是可以來進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
3786.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
3787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
但這另外一回事 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
3787.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
3789.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
我們就針對本席的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
3789.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
3790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
但是我要跟委員報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
3790.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
3791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
我們的審查重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
3791.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
3792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
其實我們要去審查什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
3792.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
3795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
隱私資安國安勞動權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
3795.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
3797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
它必須建立在一個前提上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
3797.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
3799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
這些議題本身對市場競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
3799.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
3800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
是有影響的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
3800.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
3801.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
3801.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
3802.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
必要條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
3802.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
3805.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
所以我們這一次的併購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
3805.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
3807.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
你昨天做的這個決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
3807.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
3809.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
是大家都認同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
3809.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
3812.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
因為這個背後有太多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
3812.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
3814.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
這個原因所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
3814.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
3815.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
以及股權的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
3815.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
3818.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
所以本席要要求公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
3818.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
3819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
我們討論到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
3819.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
3821.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
也就是我個人認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
3821.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
3824.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
你必須要跟經濟部投審師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
3824.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
3825.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
數位發展部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
3825.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
3826.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
3826.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
3830.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
建立一個跨境併購的聯訪機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
3830.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
3833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
在公平會你審查結合案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
3833.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
3835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
你應該要主動的去請速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
3835.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
3838.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
勞動部請他們具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
3838.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
3842.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
去提出這樣子的一個專案評估意見出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
3842.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
3843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
而且將這個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
3843.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
3847.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
你必須作為你公平會全體委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
3847.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
3851.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
在會議當中作為準薄的關鍵考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
3851.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
3852.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
3852.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
3855.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
你認為這一個部會的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
3855.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
3856.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
是應該要建立吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
3856.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
3858.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
我們實際上事實上都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
3858.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
3860.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
就是說假設這個一個結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
3860.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
3861.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
你沒有涉及到勞工議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
3861.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
3862.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
涉及到治安議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
3862.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
3864.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
我們必要的時候都會會商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
3864.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
3866.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
速發部還有經濟部勞動部等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
3866.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
3868.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
請他們表達他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
3868.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
3869.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
你就要把它做成一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
3869.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
3871.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
你很自尊做成一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
3871.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
3875.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
因為這些專業的意見是非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
3875.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
3876.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
有我們在結合案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
3876.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
3877.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
要涉及到這些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
3877.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
3879.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
我們都會請其他機關來表示意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
3879.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
3880.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
提供我們做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
3880.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
3881.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
不必要這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
3881.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
3883.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
所以因為我要給你一個結語 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
3883.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
3887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
也就是說你守住了公平會的獨立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
3887.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
3889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
這個審查底線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
3889.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
3893.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
那就是守住台灣的經濟公信力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
3894.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
3895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
那所以我要請主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
3895.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
3897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
你必須要帶著你的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
3897.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
3900.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
繼續的往專業堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
3900.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
3903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
而不要讓複雜的古存包裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
3903.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
3908.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
成為跨國巨頭壟斷台灣市場的保守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
3909.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
3910.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
你的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
3910.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
3911.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
公平會的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
3911.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
3913.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
一向來就是確保市場競爭在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
3913.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
3916.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
不管是跨平台或是不跨平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
3916.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
3918.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
我們所謂的重點就是在於行為結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
3918.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
3920.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
它到底對整體的經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
3922 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
3925 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
跟限制競爭的不利益兩者之間如何去權衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
3925 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
3927 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
所以我們一直會朝這個方向來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
3927 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
3931 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
所以你回答的這一句行為結合案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
3931 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
3934 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
這個也就是本席今天跟你討論的精髓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
3934 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
3936 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
因為我們希望台灣的經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
3936 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
3937 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
大家這麼努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
3937 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
3940 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
我們不能讓人隨意的 惡意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
3940 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
3942 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
在不知情的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
3942 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
3944 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
削弱了我們的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
3944 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
3947 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
這是站在公平會的角度裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
3947 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
3950 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
非常非常重要的一個堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
3950 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
3953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
所以我還是要再一次的重複的說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
3953 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
3956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
不要讓複雜的股權包裝成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
3956 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
3961 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
跨國巨頭壟斷台灣市場的保護傘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
3961 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
3963 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
這一句一定要切記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
3963 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
3965 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
加油 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
3966.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
3968.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
謝謝陳主委 謝謝楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
3968.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
3970.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
接下來請洪育祥委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
3980.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
3982.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
3982.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
3988.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
第一個議題我先請教經濟部跟勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
3989.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
3992.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
經濟部投審司 勞動部理事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4000.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4003.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
好 那我想這個在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4004.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4006.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
主要是這些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4006.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4010.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
就是當時我們還在公平會還在審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4010.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
Grab Bingo Food Panda的案子的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4016.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
那這個當然我們的部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4016.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4021.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
經濟部部長硬要出席數位的經濟的論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4022.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4024.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
發表了這樣子的一個言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4025.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4029.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
那這個當然今天部次長都沒有出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4029.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4032.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
我只是請這一個經濟部代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4032.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4034.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
就回去告訴這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4035.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4036.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4037.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4038.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4038.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4040.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
我們當然是歡迎外商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4040.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4042.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
對不對 來台灣投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4042.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4046.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
但是這個發言跟出席的時機要謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4046.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4048.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
因為外送平台他說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4048.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4051.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
促進創新科技或什麼樣子的速率 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4051.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4054.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
那我是覺得這前半段可能沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4054.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4056.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
但是這個敏感的時機避免 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4056.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4057.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
聽得懂的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4057.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4060.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
避免這樣子被人家誤會的嫌疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4060.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
那加上你說外送平台引進新的創新技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4063.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4066.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
帶動台灣的什麼商業模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4066.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4069.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
倒是覺得如果按照我的觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4069.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4070.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
外送平台到台灣來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4070.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4072.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
是不是有用台灣的技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4072.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4074.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
這是問號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4074.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4076.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
就我所知是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4080.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
所以這個可能還是回去請表達一下這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4080.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4082.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
勞動部在這一個地方的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4082.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
有沒有向公評會表達說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4089.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
這個勞動權益有沒有受損的一個可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4090.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4091.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
跟委員報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4091.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4096.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
勞動部已經在6月4號回函給這個公評會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4096.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4098.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
給投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4098.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4101.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
在回函中我們勞動部很明確表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4101.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4104.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
第一我們希望這個在審查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4104.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4107.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
應該去要求這個併購方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4107.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4110.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
要跟公會來建立溝通管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4110.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4111.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
了解公會的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4111.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
第二呢我們也要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
我們也建議希望這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4117.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
在這個併購過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4117.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
併購方應該要對勞工的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
現有勞工他的現有契約還有報酬計算方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4127.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
都要來那個予保保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4127.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4130.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
不能夠來片面變更外送員他的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4130.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4132.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
對因為因為我是覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4132.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4135.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
在上次我們修完這個外送專法的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4135.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4140.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
那可能還是請勞動部去看一下這個落實的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4140.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4141.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
法國之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4141.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4144.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
那還是要去定期做一些的稽核 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4144.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4147.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
然後看看這些我們的勞動的權益有沒有受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4147.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4148.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4148.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4150.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
這個大概是提醒這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4150.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4151.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
這個都有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4151.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4152.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4152.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4155.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
那接下來兩位請回我們請這一個公評會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4158.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4161.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
好那公評會這邊來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4161.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4166.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
當然我們覺得這個在昨天這樣子的一個否決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4166.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
那我也把你們的這個理由否決的理由看了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4172.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4175.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
主要就是降低Uber積極競爭的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4175.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4179.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
降低這個Grab積極競爭的誘因等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4179.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4181.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
那麼以及他們的過往 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4181.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4185.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
在東南亞或其他各國的案例的互動方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4185.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4187.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
可能增加我們協調的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4187.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
那可能我們也沒有一個抗衡的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4194.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
來做一個破壞協調行為的一個維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4194.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4198.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
當然我這邊大概都予以肯定這樣的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4198.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4200.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
但是這樣子的理由的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4200.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4205.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
基本上跟我們今天可能還少了兩個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4205.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4208.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
一個就是我們剛剛講的勞動權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4208.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4211.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
另外一個的話我是覺得就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4211.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4213.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
在這個資安的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4213.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4217.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
或者是我們之前質詢公評會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4217.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
這些AI的演算法聯合定價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4220.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4225.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
甚至客戶的資料相關的比如說交流或什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4225.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4230.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
那這兩個因素的話在你們的這個理由沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4230.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4234.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
但是是不是在你們決策的過程有被討論到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4234.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4235.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
請教主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4235.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4236.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
各位報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4236.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4237.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
在決策的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4237.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
我們有特別針對說公評會本身要不要討論這兩個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
尋求委員的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4242.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
那基本上委員都有共識了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4248.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
就是說像這些比較不是傳統經濟上的一個concern |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4248.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4251.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
它如果能夠跟競爭產生連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4251.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4255.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
就是說這些行為本身的確會造成市場競爭的被排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4255.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
那公評會是有介入的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4257.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4260.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
只是說在這個案子還有在過去一些的案子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4260.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
大部分大家關切的是純粹的國安資安跟隱世保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
它跟市場競爭比較沒有個連結點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4267.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4270.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
所以這部分因為我們有很多的其他部會機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4270.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4272.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
已經有權限可以來做這些審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4272.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4276.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
所以這部分公評會原則上我們同意應該尊重其他機關的審查權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4276.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
那當然如果說真的出現譬如說數據的收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4279.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
已經收集到讓這個企業本身大到有足夠排除競爭的這個能力的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4288.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
那當然不排除就是說data的收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4288.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4290.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
有可能會變成一個排除競爭的工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4290.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4294.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
只是說目前在台灣看起來我們是還沒有遇到這樣的一個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4295.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4297.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
沒有遇到不代表以後沒有遇到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4297.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4299.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
當然當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4299.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
我也現在對公評會的能力是質疑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4307.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
所以我是說這個為什麼點出這個問題就是說好你們有考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4307.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4309.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
當然也就是從我剛剛問的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4309.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4313.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
因為我們現在的話不管是資料的收集對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4313.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4315.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
或者是這個資料的引用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4315.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4317.48 |
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因為跟我後面的問題有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4317.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4321.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
那將來的話可能不只這樣子的數位經濟平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4321.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4322.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
只有外送平台而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4322.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4326.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
可能包含我們將來可能會引進無人車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4326.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4328.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
這個繼承的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4328.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4330.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
或是等等其他的數位媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4330.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4332.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
數位交易等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4332.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4334.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
那這些東西來講我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4334.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4336.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
就公評會在這一塊的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4336.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4338.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
要去把它補足 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4338.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4339.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
先藉由委員過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4339.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4341.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
我也藉這個機會也許跟外界說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4341.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4345.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
外界其實在關切這個問題通常會純粹從國安治安這個議題來考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4345.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4348.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
那我還是要強調一下公評會的審查立場是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4350 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4352 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
數位扣緊市場競爭這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4352 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4353 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4353 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4359 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
所以我剛才談的是說數位經濟在我們技術上對你數位經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4359 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4363 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
對我們這個市場的競爭行為造成的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4363 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4365 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
但這個地方還是需要有能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4365 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4370 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
那再來的話就是剛剛我想前面有些人也詢問過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4370 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4375 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
主要的話我們現在的話大概就是我們KIA這一個的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4375 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4378 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
那這個問題當然這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4378 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4383 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
我們也是本黨團也是接獲很多消費者的一個申訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4383 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4386 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
然後我們也幫他開了自救會協調會等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4386 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4388 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
那當然公評會也有開罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4388 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4391 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
那現在我的問題的話是在於是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4391 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4395 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
這樣子的一個不實的一個廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4395 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4397 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
你們有沒有在當時查的時候說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4397 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
他已經刊登了多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4399 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
那涉及多少資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4401 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4402 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
就是車輛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4402 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4403 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
影響多少消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4403 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4405 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
這樣子的數據有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4405 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4407 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
我們在計算罰鍰的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4407 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4409 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
這些因素會去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4409 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4412 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
因為我現在報告我也沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4412 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4413 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
就是說可不可以事後跟我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4413 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4416 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
他到底從他刊登不實廣告到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4416 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4417 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
是這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4417 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4418 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4418 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4421 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
那涉及多少車輛多少消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4421 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4425 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
那這個也請你事後再提報告給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4425 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4426 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
因為我們必須要知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4426 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4429 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
那這根據公平交易法的第四十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4429 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4432 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
他違反第二十一條最高可罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4432.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4434.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
將近是兩千五百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4434.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4437.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
所以你的裁罰依據才裁罰兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4437.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4440.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
也就是上面五顆星這一個是一百二十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4440.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4442.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
底下的話有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4442.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
ELR三點的黃富沒有是罰八十萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
這個裁罰的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4450.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
會不會太少還是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4450.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4453.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
因為其實就是罰鍰的科署是跟個案的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4453.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4455.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
還有違法情節輕重有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4455.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4456.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
讓我們的考慮依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4456.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
會是在公民交易法施行細則第36條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
他裡面有列了一些考慮的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4461.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
所以我們會重合來考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
因為我覺得這個與要把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
因為這段期間他的因為這樣不實的廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4471.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
我們把他認定是違法不實的一個獲利好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4471.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
違法的話所獲得的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
還有對消費者的一些的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4478.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
那這一個地方的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4478.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4481.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
我們也希望看到你們是怎麼孤出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4481.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
為什麼是拆罰兩百萬而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
我們會提供考慮的因素給委員參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4486.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4487.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4487.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
這個因為我都覺得這個罰款有點輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4490.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
再來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4491.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
因為最終對消費者他來申訴公平會裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4494.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4496.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
當然是從不實廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4496.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4498.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
但這些錢是進了國庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4498.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4501.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
但是消費者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4501.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4505.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
你們有沒有跟行政院消保處去協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4505.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4506.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
可以取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4506.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4509.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
就是提供他一些認定的你們的違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4509.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4513.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
協助這個消費者去取得他應有的賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4513.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4514.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
以便他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4514.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4516.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
比如說他將來民事訴訟的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4516.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4518.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
那你們會不會提供相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4518.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4520.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
給這些民事訴訟的消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4521.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4525.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
我想我們公平會當然不適合主動去提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4525.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4527.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
然後叫消費者去提起這個訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4527.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4530.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
但是如果說消費者有必要提起這個訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4530.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4533.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
他其實在我們的政府資訊公開的相關法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4533.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4534.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
只要符合這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4534.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4536.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
我們是可以提供給他做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4537.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
我是希望主動一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4541.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
因為我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4541.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
你還有行政院消保處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
兩個單位協調主動一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4546.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4548.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
因為從公平會的角色來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4548.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4550.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
我們比較不適合去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4550.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4552.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
我知道他可能是消保處出面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4552.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
就是說當人家要這樣的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4554.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
你應該想的是比消費者多想一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4557.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4560.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
保障我們台灣消費者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4560.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4562.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
我只是希望你們能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4562.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4564.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
go ahead做到多做一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4564.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4567.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
當然知道職責不是你的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4567.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4568.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
但是多做一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4568.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4573.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
多提供一個完美的證據或事實的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4573.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4576.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
我們最近對不實廣告其實會比較強調預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4576.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4579.21 |
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我們會積極的去宣導一些相關的不實廣告的類型 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4579.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4581.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
盡可能讓消費者在一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4581.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4582.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
這個買就買 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4582.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4584.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
我順時就順時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4584.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4586.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
重點預先告知是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4586.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4588.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
但我覺得事後的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4588.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4590.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
對這些人還是有一些幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4590.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
再來就是我最後幾秒的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4594.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4596.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
幾分鐘的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4596.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4598.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
就是說這個地方來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4598.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4599.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
就是我剛剛在講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4599.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4601.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
因為我們現在的資料在數位經濟裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4601.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4604.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
是會被演算法拿來做定價的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4604.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4605.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
因為從你的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4605.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4606.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
從你的消費記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4606.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4609.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
從你過往買的這樣子的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4609.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4612.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
因為美國麥當勞在今年9月多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4612.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4616.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
已經是被他們的所認定就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4616.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4618.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
這個不同的距離 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4618.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
他們承認是用AI定價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4620.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4621.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
但是他把它推給說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4621.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4624.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
這還是加盟主或是業者自己決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4624.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4625.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
所以同樣都是在加州 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4625.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4628.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
他可能是21%的價差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4629.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4631.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
不管在美國或歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4631.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4634.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
這個在個資定價或監控式的定價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4634.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4636.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
甚至是說告訴消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4636.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4638.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
我這個是AI主動定價的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4638.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4641.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
一個這樣子的來源資訊要主動揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4641.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4642.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
英國當然也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4642.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4644.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
那我是說台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4644.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4646.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
這個是我比較concern的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4646.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4647.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
台灣在這裡塊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4647.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4649.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
同樣的產品不同的消費地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4649.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4652.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
不同的個人甚至到群體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4652.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4654.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
他會不會有不同的定價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4654.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4657.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
然後這個是由我們的數據的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4657.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4659.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
收集來進行分析定價的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4661.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4663.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
這個有冒去可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4663.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4665.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
我想對於數位AI相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4665.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4667.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
跟數據有關的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4667.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4669.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
第一個如果我們有初步的市政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4669.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4670.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
我們當然會主動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4670.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4673.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
至於委員所關切主動揭露的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4673.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4674.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
我想在全世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4674.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4676.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
就我了解全世界大部分國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4676.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4678.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
應該精神主管機關比較少去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4678.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4679.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
要求揭露這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4679.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4682.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
大部分是由一些產業主管機關來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4682.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4684.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
那至於數位執法能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4684.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4685.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
我想委員也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4685.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4686.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
我想我也同意委員講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4686.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4689.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
這部分公平會當然要持續的不斷的精進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4689.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4691.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
不過我們過去這段時間的確有在持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4691.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4693.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
因為是說上次我質詢完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4693.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
因為我們是2022年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4695.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4698.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
數位經濟競爭排題書就有差別取價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4698.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4699.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
演算法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4699.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4702.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
可是到2026的話我還是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4702.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4704.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
你們公平會有一個完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4704.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4706.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
對現在的怎麼樣去發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4706.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4708.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
怎麼樣去提供這個能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4708.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4710.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
那速發部今天也坐在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4710.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4712.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
我看他也難逃其者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4712.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4714.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
因為他的數位平台經濟組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4714.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4716.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
也是他的主管業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4716.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4717.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
這個地方他是更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4717.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4719.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
所以你們兩個應該好好配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4719.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4722.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
那我最後指示再讓主席十秒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4722.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4725.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
就是說我希望你告訴我就是說現在的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4725.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4728.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
你們的調查現況科技執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4728.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
你們這樣的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
那法律的界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4731.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4733.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
比如說他是不是要求要揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4733.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
對不對這些AI定價的使用的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
那甚至歐美的這些的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4739.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
也給你們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4739.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4741.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
所以我希望你大概兩個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4741.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
給我一個規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4745.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
那到現在我未來會怎麼樣子去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4745.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4747.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
因為我覺得你現在不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4747.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
這個將來很多這個案子你都是只能事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4751.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
甚至人家已經發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4751.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
或是台灣已經用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
你這個東西就不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4755.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
所以我可以在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4755.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4757.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
我們可以在兩個禮拜給委員一個書面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4757.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4758.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4758.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
其實我們現在正在做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4761.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
因為我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4761.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4762.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
因為我還沒看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4762.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4764.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
如果你弄完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4764.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4767.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
也可以來我辦公室跟我報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4767.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
我對這個很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4770.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
我可以在兩週內提供委員的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4770.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4771.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4771.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4772.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4774.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
謝謝宏偉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4776.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
謝謝陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4787.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4789.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
接下來我們請這個中央邊交委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4789.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4796.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4798.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
主席再讓委員先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4798.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4799.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
列席的政府經濟環境局長官員會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4799.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4801.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
觀眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4801.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
有請公平會陳主委還有經濟部投審司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4805.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4808.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
請陳主委還有經濟部投審司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4811.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4813.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
主委好 四張好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4813.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4814.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
好來我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4814.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4816.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
今天排這個專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4816.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4817.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4817.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
其實就是剛好在昨天你們宣布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4821.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
GRAP併購台灣Uber Panda |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4821.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4822.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
你們是禁止結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4822.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
我看了一下報紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
它是說公平會禁止GRAP跟Uber Panda結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
點出一個關鍵主因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4829.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4831.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
我通篇看完不曉得關鍵主因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4831.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4834.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
主委你認為你們禁止的關鍵主因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4834.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4837.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
我想多數的審查委員的意見應該是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4837.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4839.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
這裡面有涉及到少數的持股 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4839.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4840.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
那個持股的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4840.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4841.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
簡單講 主因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4841.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4842.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
主因就是因為有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4842.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4843.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4844.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
彼此之間互相控股 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4845.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4848.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
或是造成可能限制競爭或不競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4848.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4850.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
缺乏積極競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4850.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
好那我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4851.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4856.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
在之前外送員的團體對於外送長不競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4856.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4857.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
可能會造成勞動權益的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4857.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4858.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
商家權益的損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4858.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4859.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
還有資本風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4859.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4860.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
來我們看下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4860.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4863.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
那麼公平會的審查結合審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4863.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4864.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
你們第13條說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4864.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4867.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
整體經濟利益大於限制競爭之不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4867.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4868.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
那我就很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4868.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4872.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
而且你們也對於附加條件互擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4872.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4873.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
你們也把它否准了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4873.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4874.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
沒有這個選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4874.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4877.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
那你們怎麼樣衡量整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4877.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4879.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
是剛問的經濟部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4879.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4880.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
這個是個創新事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4880.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4883.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
那你們要怎麼樣衡量限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4883.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4884.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4884.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4887.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
當他們說外送員公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4887.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4890.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
他們說如果說他們不積極競爭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4890.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4893.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
可能商家的抽成會提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4893.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
可能消費者付的運費會漲價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4895.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4897.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
可能外送員的燙數會被苛代 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4897.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4899.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
那你們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4900.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4902.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
所有的限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4902.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4903.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
你們怎麼衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4903.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4904.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
簡單來講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4904.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
我們會從是不是有利於競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4906.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4908.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
來評斷整體經濟的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4908.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4909.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
所以只要有競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4909.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4911.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
你們就覺得不會有不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4911.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4913.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
基本上這是一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4913.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4914.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
這原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4914.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4915.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
不過邏輯上不一定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4915.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4917.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
所以我們看的是市場競爭受影響的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4917.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4920.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
對就是說你們在看有沒有競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4920.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
如果競爭維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4921.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4924.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
你們基本上認為不至於有不利益嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4924.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4926.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
競爭如果維持是不是被強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4928.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4929.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
原則上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4929.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4932.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
還是對於不利益跟競爭無關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4932.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4933.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
你們就不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4933.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
4935.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
應該是說如果那個不利益本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
4935.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
4937.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
不是屬於競爭主管機關可以審索的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
4937.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
4938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
原則上我們是不會介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
4938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
4941.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
所以我們這裡有提到通案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
4941.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
4944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
這裡面所提到的風險跟不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
4945.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
4946.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
大概你們可以做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
4946.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
4948.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
但是風險是另外一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
4948.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
4950.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
我想不利益是你們判斷會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
4950.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
4952.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
風險是不確定會不會發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
4952.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
4953.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
好我們看一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
4953.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
4954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
好那我們第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
4954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
4956.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
你們說在判斷它的限制競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
4956.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
4960.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
你們認為複雜股權會引起限制競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
4960.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
4961.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
而且會造成後面的不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
4961.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
4962.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
那你們這裡提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
4962.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
4964.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
剛剛都講到持股表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
4964.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
4966.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
複雜的股權結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
4967.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
4970.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
現在的跨國企業常常有一個控股公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
4970.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
4972.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
但是這裡出現一個東西叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
4972.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
4974.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
共同財務誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
4974.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
4975.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
現行的審查規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
4975.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
4978.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
如何評斷企業之間有複雜股權控股結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
4978.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
4979.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
你們怎麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
4979.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
4981.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
還有所謂的共同財務誘因之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
4981.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
4983.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
如何判斷業者能不能保持競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
4983.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
4984.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
有沒有一個比較明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
4984.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
4985.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
可以告訴大家一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
4985.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
4988.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
關於第一點那個複雜股權控股結構的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
4988.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
4990.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
剛剛我們已經有已經有下過展覽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
4990.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
4991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
共同財務誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
4991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
4994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
這個是這個案子裡面一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
4994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
4996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
那我們如果參考國際間的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
4996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
4998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
或是理論實務上的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
4998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
4999.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
因為涉及到誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
4999.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5001.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
所以誘因本身就是主觀上的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5001.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
比較難去判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5002.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5004.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
所以我們必須要有客觀的視覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5004.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
是 我就很好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
你們怎麼判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
那客觀的視覺譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
股東股權分散的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
通常股權月集中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5014.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5015.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
股權的集中程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5015.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5016.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
就是目前股東會股權 |
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還有另外我們還會去看 |
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這個所謂的這個股東會的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
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5022.26 |
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過去招待股東會的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
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所以但是你們還是聚焦在股權 |
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那我們講共同財務 |
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當然還是會投射上股權 |
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但我們來看一下第二個 |
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資訊的共享會不會導致一些一致行為或聯合行為 |
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比如說他共享客戶跟地圖的這演算法的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
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比如說他有一致行為 |
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在這一次行為 |
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5044.26 |
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過去台塑跟中油發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5047.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
他們一起漲價一起調價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5047.26 |
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5051.26 |
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那後來中油被迫要公布他的定價的公示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5051.26 |
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5053.26 |
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那人家說我是按照我的定價公示走的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5053.26 |
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5055.26 |
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所以不是跟他協調的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
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5057.26 |
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另外現在實在進步了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5057.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5059.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
App的互相串接引導客流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5059.26 |
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5061.26 |
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或者在主業以外的不同市場合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5061.26 |
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5063.26 |
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甚至國營本他過去被查出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5063.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5066.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
曾經簽署互不競爭的協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5066.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5070.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
這些好像不能用一個共同財務利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5070.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5073.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
的一個誘因來減損他的競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5073.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5076.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
那你們怎麼看共同財務誘因以外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5076.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5079.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
其他減損競爭的這些因素呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5079.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5081.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
委員談的這個東西是比較屬於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5081.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
業者結合以後互相協調一致的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5084.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5089.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
就是說我們在禁止結合書裡面有談到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5089.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
審查委員的意見認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5091.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
因為市場結構會有高度的誘因讓他們會去進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5094.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5099.26 |
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所以就是說這是在衡量股權或共同財務的誘因之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5099.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5101.26 |
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產生了後果會有這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5107.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
其實比較強調市場結構面集中度高這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5107.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
因為我們在會計上20%的股權是認為會具有重大影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5114.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
但是在我們公平會審查的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5114.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5117.8 |
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是不是也把重大影響力視為一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5117.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5120.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
就是有重大影響力彼此有重大影響力互通的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5120.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5122.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
就會可能減損他的積極競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5123.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5126.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
當我們要考慮掃出股權的時候這當然就是你要去考慮的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5126.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5128.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
那重大影響要怎麼衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5128.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5131.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
我們不會建立沒辦法建立一個客觀的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5131.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5133.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
我必須要在個案當中去瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5133.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5135.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
包含過去的歷史紀錄等等各方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5135.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5136.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
好謝謝下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5136.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5138.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
好再來我們就問到了這個大家關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5138.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5140.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
跨國公司的潛在用戶資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5140.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
你看在蘋果用戶曾經在中國的iCloud的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5145.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5148.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
這個中國政府要求蘋果要拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5148.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5152.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
後來或者說臉書他過去跟華為和聯想分享用戶的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5152.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5154.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
大家擔心他洩漏個資給中企 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5154.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5155.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
這是過去發生的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5155.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5157.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
在這次的個案上大家看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5157.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5160.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
未來在外送平台上的消費者個資地圖的圖資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5160.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5162.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
還有商家的營業資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5162.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5165.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
都有可能透過技術合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5165.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5168.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
因為國有他在中國有投資有營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5168.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5170.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
那這樣的一個資安風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5171.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5172.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5172.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5174.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
是公平會要考量的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5175.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5177.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
我想我的答案就是跟我之前講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5177.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5180.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
如果這個東西資訊的資料的取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5180.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5184.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
會造成一個事業取得足夠來影響市場競爭的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5184.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5185.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
我們才會介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5185.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5187.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
如果純粹只是資安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5187.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5189.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
那比較適合我們住 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5189.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
所以你們還是考慮資安會影響到相當於主權的這個股權的重大影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
接下來我們問投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5195.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5196.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
我知道公平會很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5196.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5200.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
你們鎖定在競爭的減損影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5200.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
那個投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5203.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
來下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5203.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5204.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
好 那我們再問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5204.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5206.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
這個目前跨境併購盛行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5206.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5208.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
股權交錯運作還有資訊共享 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5208.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5210.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
就有資安疑慮對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5210.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
但是大家在關心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
那個外國人投資條例第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5216.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
對國家安全公共秩序善良豐富 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5216.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5217.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
國民健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5219.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5221.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
這個居然是你們經濟部投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5221.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
你們要來看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5222.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5223.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
你們怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
剛剛公平會已經把他的全責講得很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5229.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
他們關注在競爭的減損有無 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5229.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5231.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
那你們投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5231.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
過去的投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5232.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5233.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
你們對於這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5233.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5234.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
你們有沒有具體的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5235.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5237.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
國家安全怎麼具體規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5237.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5239.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
就是陳如那個剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5239.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5240.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
我們報告有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5240.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5241.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
外國人投資條第七條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5241.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5243.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
其實涉及到國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5243.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5244.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
對國家安全有不利影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5244.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5246.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
我們是可以禁止投資的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5246.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5247.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
所以其實在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5247.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5248.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
外資的審查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5248.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5251.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
其實國家安全一向是一個主要的考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5251.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5252.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5253.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
國家安全是你們的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5256.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
但是他們的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5257.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5259.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
我們講的投資好像都只是在資金 |
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對不對 |
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但你就是寫從事投資行為 |
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不管是直接或間接出資 |
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但後面出現了一個什麼 |
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控制能力 |
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控制能力難道一定要 |
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剛剛我就問公民會 |
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5272.52 |
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股權是他們關注的焦點 |
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5274.52 |
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共同財務業是他們關注的焦點 |
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那你們在審的時候只審資金嗎 |
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只審這個透過資本產生的控制能力呢 |
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還是其他的控制能力 |
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你們也考慮得到 |
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純資金審議為主 |
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5287.41 |
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還是考慮到資金包含資金 |
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5287.41 |
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5289.41 |
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在那以外的其他控制能力 |
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5289.41 |
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5290.41 |
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剛剛我們有報告 |
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5292.41 |
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原則上我們的外資投資 |
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5293.41 |
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第一個要符合外國人投資條例 |
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5295.41 |
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所謂的投資的定義 |
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對那投資的定義是指考慮資金嗎 |
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包括設計 |
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給你來講 |
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市場壓力 |
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供應商的原料或技術 |
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你設廠設分公司 |
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或者說人事的共通 |
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這些都是有控制能力的 |
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這些不見得表達在資金上 |
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就像影響力或共同財務誘因 |
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在公平所關注的 |
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5318.3 |
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不是只表達在什麼 |
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5319.3 |
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股權的計算上 |
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5322.3 |
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在這裡也不是表達在資金的有無上 |
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所以要請教你一下 |
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當你們講的所謂的具有控制能力的時候 |
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5330.3 |
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這個控制能力一定投射在反射在 |
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這個資金嗎 |
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在外國人投資條例確實就是我們所謂投資的定義 |
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如果投資不是投資 |
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是說我幫你代理 |
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5342.03 |
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5343.03 |
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我代理你的產品 |
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5343.03 |
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台灣的代理 |
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5345.03 |
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我代理你的產品 |
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5345.03 |
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5346.03 |
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疫苗你交給我評 |
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台灣代理 |
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5347.4 |
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5349.4 |
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可是這個疫苗的公司 |
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5350.4 |
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市場可能在中國 |
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5350.82 |
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5351.82 |
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過去就發生了 |
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5352.82 |
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對不對 |
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5354.82 |
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中國的疫苗市場很大 |
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5354.82 |
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5356.82 |
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我要去爭取台灣的代理 |
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5356.82 |
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5357.82 |
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這個他要進來 |
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5358.53 |
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5360.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
進來台灣弄一個公司 |
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5362.53 |
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要來代理某個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5364.53 |
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一個國際品牌的疫苗 |
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那這個時候 |
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5367.85 |
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中國那邊 |
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5370.73 |
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這個公司在中國的市場 |
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5370.68 |
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5371.68 |
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它的影響力 |
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5372.37 |
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5375.37 |
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會不會影響到它對台灣這個公司 |
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5375.8 |
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5377.8 |
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如果是涉及到入資的部分 |
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5378.8 |
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我們確實是有 |
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5378.8 |
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5379.8 |
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沒有啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5380.8 |
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它是台灣的公司沒有入資啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5380.8 |
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5382.8 |
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它只是代理中國的品牌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5383.71 |
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5385.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
或者代理在中國有龐大市場的品牌啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5385.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5387.71 |
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這個部分會涉及到 |
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5387.71 |
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5388.71 |
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就是市場壓力啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5388.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5390.71 |
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市場壓力會不會造成一個 |
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5390.71 |
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5391.71 |
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間接的控制能力 |
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5394.71 |
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這個就要看看那個代理合約裡面的 |
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5395.71 |
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細節的規定 |
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5397.71 |
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因為有些代理確實是有 |
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5399.71 |
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所以就要進入到具體去衡量 |
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5399.71 |
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5402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
他的對第三地區公司的控制能力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5404.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
具體的項目嘛對不對 |
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5404.71 |
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5405.71 |
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好 |
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5405.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5406.71 |
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這是我要談的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5407.71 |
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好所以我這裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5408.71 |
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就簡單講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5408.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5409.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
請公平委陳主委 |
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5411.18 |
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5412.18 |
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請提供這個指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5412.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5414.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
第一你們如何評斷企業之間 |
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5414.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5415.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
複雜股權控股結構 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5417.18 |
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以及判斷有共同財務 |
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5417.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5419.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
又影響企業事務保持競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5419.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5420.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
可以提供一些指引 |
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5420.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5422.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
第二個除了股權持有比例門檻之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
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5424.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
這些共同利益的企業 |
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5424.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5425.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
具有共同利益的企業 |
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5425.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5427.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
可能出現的其他影響競爭的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5427.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5428.18 |
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要如何衡量 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5429.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
我知道這個很困難 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5430.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
有點抽象 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5432.18 |
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但是是不是可以提供一些指引 |
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5432.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5434.18 |
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未來呢有這些跨國企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5434.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5435.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
當然要進入主台灣 |
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5435.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5437.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
他們至少清楚的知道 |
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5437.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5439.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
我國官方的審查標準 |
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5439.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5440.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
有可能會考慮哪些因素 |
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5440.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5441.18 |
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可以嗎 |
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5441.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5443.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
我想基本上未簡單的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5443.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5444.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
我們可以試著去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5444.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5445.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
就是指引嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5445.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5446.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
但是指引如果要具體的話 |
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5446.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5448.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
我覺得那還是要累積執法的經驗才好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5448.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5449.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
當然當然 |
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5449.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5451.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
所以我們希望說你們累積 |
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5451.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5452.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
不斷的出更新指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5452.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5454.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
因為指引是一個很好的主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5454.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5456.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
告訴這些商業行為者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5456.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5458.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
他要怎麼樣遵守一個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5458.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5459.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
我們要求的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5459.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5462.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
這個指引本來就是一個比較寬鬆的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5462.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
我們會全部朝具體化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5465.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
好來第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5465.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5466.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
來那個就是投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5466.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5469.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
來我國投審司或經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5469.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5472.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
就跨境投資併購的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5472.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5474.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
是不是你們要納入資金以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5474.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5478.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
可能造成國安風險的實質控制力或影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5478.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5481.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
那請這個你們提出一個說明好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5482.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
就是說你們投審司不是只審他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5484.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
他來投資我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5485.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
入資來投資這個公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5487.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
你看這是不是入資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5488.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
資金有沒有到達可以產生控制力影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5491.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
還要幹什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5492.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
資金以外資本以外的其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5496.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
他的市場影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5496.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5498.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
他的資訊能影響力等等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5498.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5499.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5499.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5502.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
各位報告其實現在入資的審查確實就是已經有針對控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5502.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5504.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
就不是只是看資本嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5504.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5507.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
不是看說拿人家中國大陸的錢來投台灣的公司嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5507.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5508.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5508.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5510.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
很好那就請提供一個說明好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5511.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5512.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5515.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5519.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
好謝謝中央新聞接下來有請謝一鳳委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5530.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5534.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
好謝謝主席我想要請公評會的陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5534.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
還有投審司蘇司長以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5538.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5540.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
速發部的楊次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5540.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5543.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
好陳主委楊次長跟那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5543.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5544.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
司長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5545.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5546.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5549.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
你昨天就是你們昨天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5549.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
是禁止國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5551.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5556.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
並覆盤大是用限制競爭與社會經濟不利益為由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5556.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
但是你們堅守了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5563.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
治安跟國安不在結合審查的範圍裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5563.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
那我想請問以後面對到像這樣子類似的跨國的平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5569.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5571.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
的並購案件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5571.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5576.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
你公評會速發部跟國安局等機關怎麼樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5576.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5578.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
跨部會的連審以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5578.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5580.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
諮詢的機制呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5580.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
我先跟委員報告一下就是說在具體的個案當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5583.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5586.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
重大特別是重大結合案只要有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5586.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5589.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
一般相關機關或民眾的反應到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5589.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5592.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
其實我們都會會商其他的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5592.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5594.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
請他們提供專業上的意見給我們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5594.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5596.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
所以你們沒有一起審查是會商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5596.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5597.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
對對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5597.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5598.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
以會商的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5598.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5600.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
當然我們有時候會召開座談會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5600.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5602.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
也會邀請各機關的代表來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5602.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5606.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
跟我們進行一個實質的討論提供專業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5606.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5609.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
你剛才也提到了就是說未來如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5609.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5614.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
像FUPENDA就是說Uber去併了FUPENDA |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5614.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5618.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
外國的母公司就是像Delivery Hero等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5618.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5621.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
那也要經過公評會的審查是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5621.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5625.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
因為我們在台灣之前兩年前我們是禁止Uber跟FUPENDA的結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5625.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5631.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
所以如果母公司在國外收購Delivery Hero的股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5631.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5634.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
有沒有涉及到違反我們禁止的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5634.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5636.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
這是一個另外一個可以來進一步了解的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5636.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5638.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
那你們會主動調查還是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5638.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5640.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
我們要看實際他們在國外收購的情形怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5640.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5642.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
不是你們有辦法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5642.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5645.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
因為他就是違反我們當初禁止的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5645.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5647.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
所以這個是我們可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5647.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5650.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
我們是可以說他可能會違反我們當初禁止的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5650.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5652.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
我們要進行調查後續的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5652.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5655.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
好所以可是因為CCS是跨境公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5655.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5658.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
那因為他的設立不在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5658.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5663.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
那你有辦法認定說這樣子他的接落的自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5663.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5669.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
以及你們有充分的調查權的這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5669.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
能夠跟國際競爭單局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5671.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
像那個FTC或者EC或者CCCS等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5675.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5677.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
你們有建立溝通管道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5677.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5679.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
我們是有一些溝通的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5679.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5680.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
你們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5680.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5682.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
我們是可以跟這些機關之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5682.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5683.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
所以你們跟美國跟歐盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5683.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5685.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
但是我要跟委員報告就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5685.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5688.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
我們會跟他表達說我們希望他能夠提供什麼樣的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5688.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5691.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
所以你們有辦法穿透這樣子離案的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5691.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5693.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
不正是在台灣的架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5693.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5695.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
對方的機關願不願意提供支持對方機關的權限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5695.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5699.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
但是我們是可以有一些管道可以來跟對方表達是不是很OK |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5699.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5702.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
所以你們有管道但是不一定可以拿到資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5702.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5704.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
不一定可以拿得到資訊是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5704.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5705.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
是這必須跟委員講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5705.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5708.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
好那投審師我也想請教一下投審師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5708.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5711.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
就是剛才大家也提到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5711.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5714.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
就是外國人投資條例第七條裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5714.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5716.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
對於像剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5718.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5719.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
公平會所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5719.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
他們不會就這些知安跟國安的這個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5725.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
那投審師呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5725.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
你有沒有辦法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5731.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
就是未來如果對國家安全跟公共秩序不利的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5731.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5735.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
你有沒有辦法對投資案件的法理標準 |
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跟這些裁量的界限 |
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你能夠獨立的去對這些 |
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有這個國安的否決權 |
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這些就是說相關的那個公司的併購 |
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有國安的否決權 |
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你有嗎 |
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跟委員拍拔 |
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因為只要他是一個外資的投資案 |
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原則上就是要經過經濟部的同意 |
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那我們在審查外資的部分 |
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有一個投資審議會的一個跨部會的平台 |
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那包括像國安局陸委會 |
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數位部勞動部等等的都有在裡面 |
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那像剛剛提到 |
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如果這個案子涉及到結合的話 |
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也是會請公平會這邊表示意見 |
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那所以原則上我們在審查的時候 |
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會針對投資人提出來的投資計畫 |
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先送審各部會去表示意見 |
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那如果有提到有一些資安國安疑慮的話 |
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會再請投資人補充說明 |
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那最後我們會根據這整個釐清的結果 |
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再做一個跨部會的審查 |
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所以那是不是你對他有國安的最終否決權 |
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如果有國安疑慮的話 |
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所以投資人是有嗎 |
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我們可以依國安理由不以核准 |
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所以可以是不是 |
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是 |
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還有像這樣子大就是說像這樣子跨境的這個就是併購案 |
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他可能掌握了有消費者的行為 |
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有這個運送員的軌跡 |
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以及店家的商業的情報等等 |
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這樣子大量的那個BitData的時候 |
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那你怎麼樣子就是說來要求他不准就是說 |
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沒有不准就是跨境儲存 |
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或者是在地儲存 |
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你有沒有辦法 |
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啊 |
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這個部分可能還是要回歸到 |
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比如說像個資法那個可不可以境外儲存的問題 |
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那當然我們在外資審查的部分 |
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也可以另外提出要求說 |
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比如說我要求你的資料必須存放在境內 |
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我才同意你用這種附條件的方式許可 |
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還是這個部分事情 |
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我們問一下那個抒發部的楊市長好不好 |
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還是這個部分是由抒發部來 |
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要求的 |
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是這樣就是說我們就是在審 |
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他是不是要這個冰鑼案通過的時候 |
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我們的意見就是希望他們可以來規範這樣子 |
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對就是資料的管理跟影視權的保護 |
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還有在地儲存這個是你們會規範嗎 |
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我們是提供他們的建議 |
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因為在法規上目前是以個資法 |
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可是他是通案上是沒有明文禁止 |
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沒有明文禁止 |
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只是那附帶條件呢 |
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是你們同審 |
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同審司書市長你們可以用附帶條件嗎 |
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是如果說用附帶條件的方式 |
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可以消除這個資安的疑慮的話 |
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那我們就可能會用附帶條件方式再許可 |
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那再請問一下楊市長 |
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那附帶條件就是說 |
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如果禁止他就是說 |
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就是說一定要在地儲存 |
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然後以及資安保護的原則 |
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即便他現在儲存在台灣了 |
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他有沒有辦法用API連線 |
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或者是就是說跨境運維的方式 |
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能取得這些資訊 |
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就是在規定上我們會明文 |
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就是如果有附帶條件 |
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可以明文禁止他們來 |
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大陸來access這樣的一個資料庫 |
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也不一定是大陸啦 |
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因為你知道嗎 |
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跨境有時候也不一定在大陸嘛 |
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那就是說你在這樣子 |
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就是說他的API連線 |
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以及跨境的這樣子運維的情況下 |
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你怎麼樣子做到資安的監管 |
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我們可以去測試他們違反 |
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當初他在附帶條件規範的 |
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如果他違反了 |
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他其實就違反我們的 |
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所以你們會去監控 |
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可以測試 |
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可以測試嘛 |
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你們可以測試他會不會違反嘛 |
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是不是 |
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對 |
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那所以你是說只要 |
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他儲存在台灣 |
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就有辦法就是說去監控 |
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可以監控 |
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測試 |
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就是可以測試跟監管 |
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是不是 |
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數字發布有辦法嗎 |
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5986.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
對 |
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5987.23 |
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可是要在業務主管機關 |
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有個明文的規定完之後 |
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就會來 |
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5991.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
我們就幫他來做這個檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
5991.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
5994.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
他是違反當初我們併購完 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
5994.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
5995.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
進來的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
5995.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
5999.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
那如果這些跨境的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
5999.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6001.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
以國際貿易的協定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6001.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6004.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
像CPTPP或者是跨境數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6004.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6007.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
自由流動的原則提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6007.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6010.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
跟就是說國際仲裁單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6010.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6011.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
提出抗辯的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6011.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6012.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
那你怎麼樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6012.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6015.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
維護我們治安防禦的正當性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6017.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6018.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
就是他是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6018.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6019.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
違國際的法規的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6020.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6021.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
違反國際法規的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6021.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6023.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
由目的市業主管協議員認定完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6023.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6026.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
我們就會從技術上來佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6026.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6028.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
他是不是有違反這些法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6028.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6030.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
可是如果他透過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6030.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6033.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
像CPTPP這樣子的貿易機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6033.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6035.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
那經濟部投審師呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6037.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6038.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
剛委員報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6038.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6040.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
其實如果我們需要加這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6040.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
付款其實這是基於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6042.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
國家安全的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6042.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6044.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
所以我想根據國家安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6044.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
這個議題原則上應該不會受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
相關規範的一個限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6049.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6051.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
我說不會受到國際單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6051.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6052.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
對 因為每個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6052.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
都有每個國家安全的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6054.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6056.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
那其他國家的跨境的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6056.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
他們要求是在地儲存嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6059.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
因為我想這個部分會落在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6061.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6064.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
我們外資審查的一個付款的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6064.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
到底不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6065.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6067.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
因為有些我們要求的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6067.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6068.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
可能會比 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6070.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
法規就比如說像個資的規定更高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6073.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6075.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
因為我們有我們自己的安全考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6075.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
對 因為我就是了解就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6078.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
好 當我們提出這樣的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
希望說他們在地儲存 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6084.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
以及基於資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6084.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
跟資料保護原則的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6087.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
會不會影響到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6087.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6091.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
會不會就是違背了國際的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6093.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6094.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
國際的貿易法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6095.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6097.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
這個應該不至於啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6097.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6099.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
因為我們還是以國家安全的這個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6099.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6101.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
去下這個付款的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6101.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6103.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
好 那所以是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6104.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
是因為我們現在跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6106.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6108.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
像剛才公評會主委所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6108.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6110.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
就是因為我們跟這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6110.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6113.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
跨國的這樣子的一些機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6113.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6115.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
目前即便有溝通管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6115.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6117.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
是不是也並不是完全暢通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6121.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6122.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6123.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6125.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
是因為這樣的原因嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6126.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6127.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6127.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
就是如果剛剛講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6129.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我們是有一些管道可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6129.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6131.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
跟國外的執法機關來進行交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6131.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6134.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
事實上在GRAB這個案子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6134.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6136.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
我們事實上有跟東南亞幾個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6136.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6138.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
來參考他們的執法經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6138.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6139.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
甚至有交換意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6139.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6140.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
但是我剛剛談的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6140.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6141.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
那個管道存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6141.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6143.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
但是對方願意提供什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6143.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
到什麼程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6144.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6146.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
這個是取決於他們的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6146.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6147.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
對 我是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6147.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6150.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
當我是說投水是這樣說的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6150.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6153.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
我是說是不是也取決於 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6153.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6154.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
就是說外國機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6154.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
外國的貿易單位會不會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6156.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6159.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
我們有違反到國際貿易相關的法規呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6165.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6166.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6167.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6168.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
應該這樣講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6168.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6171.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
其實在整個審查的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6171.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6172.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
我們會認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6172.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6175.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
比如說他資料必須儲存在境內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6175.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6176.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
才符合的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6176.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6178.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
那我們會跟投資人提出要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6178.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6180.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
其實最後都是投資人同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6180.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6181.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
我們來這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6181.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6183.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
那如果他不同意的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6183.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6184.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
我們就可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6186.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6187.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
這個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6187.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6188.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6188.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6189.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
好 我了解喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6189.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6194.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
所以以投審會跟訴發部的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6194.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6195.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
訴發部認為只要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6195.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6199.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
就是他的資料中心儲存在國內的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6199.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6201.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
我們就有辦法去監管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6201.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
以及去測試他的安全性是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6204.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6205.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
目前有具體的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6205.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6208.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
可以監管以及測試他的安全性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6208.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6209.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
可以 是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6209.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6210.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
那如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6210.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6212.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
那所以投審會的意見是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6212.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6215.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
如果沒有辦法就地儲存的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6215.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6216.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
那我們就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6216.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6219.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
或者是會認為違反了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6219.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6220.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
其他的相關規定的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6220.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6222.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
你就不會給他通過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6222.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6223.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
是不是這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6223.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
這個可能還是要看個案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6225.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
當然有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6225.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6227.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
如果他是大量的個資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6227.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
我們當然會希望在境內會比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6232.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
可是不見得每個個案 |
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6232.72 |
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6235.72 |
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他的個資的掌握的狀況 |
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6235.72 |
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6236.72 |
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都到這個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6236.72 |
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6238.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
那有些可能他會提出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6238.72 |
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6239.72 |
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比如說 |
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6240.72 |
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比如說 |
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6241.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
組資料會存在台灣 |
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6241.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6243.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
備份資料存在境外 |
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6243.72 |
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6246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
那我們當然還會再瞭解境外是哪個地方 |
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6246.72 |
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6247.72 |
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那類似這樣的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6247.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
那當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
他提出的方案如果經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6252.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
比如說像訴訟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6252.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
他覺得這個是可行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6253.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6256.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
那原則上我們還是可能會同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6256.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6257.72 |
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好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6259.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6260.54 |
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好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6260.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6261.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
謝謝市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6261.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6263.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
好 接下來有請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6263.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
邱志偉委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6288.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6289.1 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6289.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6291.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
是不是先請公平會代理主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6291.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6293.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
好 請公平會陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6299.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
主委好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6300.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6302.52 |
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那個昨天你們就決議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6302.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
決議禁止這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6304.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6306.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
跟那個FAPEMBA結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
那當然這個主因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
大概今天媒體有大幅度的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6311.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6312.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
你們報導也有寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6312.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
因為他有這個表決權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6315.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6316.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6317.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6319.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
懂事有堅韌的歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6319.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6320.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6321.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6324.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
會降低積極競爭的誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6324.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6326.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
然後增加相互配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6326.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6329.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
相互相互相互配合的協調風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6330.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6331.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6332.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6333.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
都從業者所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6333.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6336.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
限制競爭敏感資訊的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6336.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6338.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
這些行為承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6338.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6341.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
無法確保實際上能夠有效執行嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6341.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
今天我看到你們說的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6344.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
公平法第13條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6346.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6348.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
是以整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6349.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6351.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
是否大於限制競爭不利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6352.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6356.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
作為結合審查判斷的基準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6356.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6357.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6357.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6359.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
最大的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6359.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6360.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
也是這個決策依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6361.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6363.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
那你說勞權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6363.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6365.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
或者工作權的這個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6366.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6367.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
跟資產等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6368.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6372.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
這個屬於整體非整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6372.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6374.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
就等於說非經濟性的增生目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6376.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6380.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
這也不是你們在審查結合的考量範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6382.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6383.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
也有各主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6383.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6385.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
另一專法審核規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6385.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6386.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
一 二 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6387.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6389.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
這個你們只負責整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6389.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6391.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
是否大於限制競爭不利益嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6391.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6394.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
其他的資安就是可能是蘇發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6394.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6397.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
這個勞權的部分就可能是勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6398.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6399.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
我跟委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6399.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6401.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
你覺得現行這種這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6401.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6403.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
結束模式是否適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6403.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6405.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
進一步補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6405.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6406.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
這個基本原則是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6407.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6409.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
整體經濟利益跟限制競爭的不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6409.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6411.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
整體經濟利益的出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6411.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6414.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
必須要是導致於競爭的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6414.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6416.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
所以我們在審查這兩個因素的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6416.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6417.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
我們會把它連結到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6417.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6420.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
到底是不是造成競爭的受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6420.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6421.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
或是競爭的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6421.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6424.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
所以我剛剛有跟其他委員報告過就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6424.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6428.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
如果今天的議題純粹就是國安資安勞權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6428.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6430.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
它跟競爭沒有關聯性的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6430.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6432.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
那這部分我們會請產業主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6432.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6434.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
還有目的式的主管機關來今天判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6436.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6437.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
但是並不排除說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6437.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6439.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
我們對這些議題完全都可以不管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6439.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6441.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
譬如說假設你對資安的收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6441.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6443.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
對各自的收集已經大到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6443.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6446.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
你已經享有足夠的權力跟市場力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6446.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6448.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
可以來排除市場競爭的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6448.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6449.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
我們還是有介入的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6449.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6452.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
只是說在實務上我們沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6452.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6454.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
大部分的個案都比較沒有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6454.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6455.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
所以一種scenario的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6455.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6456.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
你的判斷整體經濟利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6456.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6459.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
是已經大於限制競爭不利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6459.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6462.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
但是它會同時出現資安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6462.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6465.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
或者是工作權保障的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6466.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6468.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
當這個因素很巨大的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6469.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6470.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
嚴重影響資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6470.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6473.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
或者嚴重對工作權有一些傷害的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6473.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6474.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
那我們決策會怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6474.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6476.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
我們會把這個相關的議題納入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6476.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6479.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
是不是跟競爭的評估有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6479.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
如果有關的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6480.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6482.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
當然我們不排除可以審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6482.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6484.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
如果純粹就是非常純粹產業政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6484.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6486.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
勞工政策的保護等等各方面問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6486.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
那這個我們覺得還是比較適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6491.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
由目的式的主管機關來進行相關的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6491.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6492.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
我們的立場大概是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6492.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6495.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
相關審查他們如果不建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6495.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6497.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
不建議這個投議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6498.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6500.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
不建議這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6500.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6501.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
這個何必論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6502.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6504.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
相關部會的審查意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6504.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6505.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
我們其實大概事前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6505.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6507.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
我們都會有一些跨部會的協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6507.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
或是跨部會的座談 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6509.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6510.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
我們來收集他們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6510.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6511.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
他們意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6511.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6512.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
當然如果說他們認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6512.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6514.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
從他們主管業務的範圍來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6514.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6515.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
是不適合通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6515.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6518.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
我們還是會在委員會裡面會去考慮說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6518.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
他們會明確表示說這個不宜通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6522.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6524.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
還是審慎評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6524.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6525.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6526.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6528.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
明確說是不宜通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6528.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
或者是把一些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6531.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6534.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
或者是交由公民會來做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6534.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6536.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
我想各部會都會從他們專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6536.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6538.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
來提供我們一些詳實的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6538.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
但對於結論的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6539.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6540.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
他不會給答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6540.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
結論部分通常他們會尊重本會的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6543.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
但是他會建議我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6545.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6547.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
他們提供資料你要不要採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6547.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6550.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
你會不會確認這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6550.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
是對你們決策是一個重要的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6554.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
是你們在確認嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6554.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6556.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
我們會在委員會裡面討論這些相關部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6556.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6557.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
提出來的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6557.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6558.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
來決定要不要採用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6558.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6560.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
另外你們今天報告也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6560.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6563.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
研發創新數據跟隱私權的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6563.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6566.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
也是審查平台階段的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6566.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6568.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
非價格競爭參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6568.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6569.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6571.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
那現在數位平台經濟裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6571.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6572.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
這些演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6572.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6575.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
這個外送員薪資補貼等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6575.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6576.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
數據資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6577.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6580.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
到底是公民會裡面的無關競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6580.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6582.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
要排除的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6582.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6584.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
還是他是一個核心的競爭參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6584.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6586.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
我想原則還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6586.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6588.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
演算法或是其他這些非競爭的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6588.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6591.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
如果他會創造出反競爭的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6591.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6593.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
我們還是有空間可以進一步的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6593.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6595.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
所以我想整個的重點還是在於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6595.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6598.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
這些因素本身跟市場競爭的連結程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6598.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6599.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
到底有多高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6600.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6602.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
所以你那麼多的參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6602.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6605.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
有核心跟這個無關競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6605.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6606.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
要排除事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6606.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6608.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
這個有時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6608.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6610.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
太多的決策因子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6610.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6612.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
太多決策參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6612.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6613.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
是沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6613.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6615.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
很難去監督你們到底決策是不是合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6615.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6617.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
所以原則上我們還是以傳統競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6617.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6619.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
譬如說價格品質產出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6619.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6621.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
這些傳統的因素來判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6621.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6623.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
那當然我們說隨著數位時代的來臨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6623.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6625.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
有很多新的因素會進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6625.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6626.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
當然我們也不能夠置身於外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6626.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6628.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
這些東西我們隨時都要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6628.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6629.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
只是說這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6629.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6630.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
我們的注意的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6630.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6632.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
提醒你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6632.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6634.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
有那麼多參數在做你們決策的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6634.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6636.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
那麼你們決策的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6636.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6638.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
這個合理性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
6638.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6640.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
我們要怎麼去監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6640.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6642.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
最後你是叫委員會去做判斷嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6642.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6644.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
我們委員會會有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6644.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6646.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
包括蘇哈布包括勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6646.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6648.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
這個案子是提供資料給你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6648.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6650.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
提供委員會去做參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6650.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
6652.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
最後定奪還是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
6652.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
6654.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
我也相信兩個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6654.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
6656.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
也不會說明確表態說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6656.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
6658.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
這個不適合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6658.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
6659.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
這可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6659.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6660.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6660.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
6662.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
是把相關他們手上掌握的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6662.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
6664.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
給你們看嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6664.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
6666.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
我想委員會委員大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6666.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
6668.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
我們大概知道有些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6668.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
6670.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
我也有點懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6669.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
6671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
縱使蘇哈布跟勞動部提供你們這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
6671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
6673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
委員是不是有專業能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6673.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
6675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
來判斷這些資料的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
重要性對一個決策的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6679.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6681.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
我想大概就是集思廣益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6681.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
6683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
大家充分討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
6685.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
如果說真的還有哪個地方不明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6685.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
6687.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
你們在未來要有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
6687.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6689.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
個案的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6689.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
6691.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
真的是個案的這個跨部會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
6691.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
6693.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
比如說這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
6693.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
6695.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
跟這個蘇哈布跟勞動部相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
6695.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
6697.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
你們在未來審查會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
6697.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
6699.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
要請他們列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
6699.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
6701.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
因為列席的人員是有一些法定的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
6701.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
6703.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
但是我們會在審議之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
6703.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
6705.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
我們會充分的去聆聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
6705.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
6707.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
各個部會對他們專業的一些意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
6707.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
6709.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
那我們也會在委員會審查過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
6709.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
6711.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
讓委員充分知道這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
6711.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
6713.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
然後再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
6713.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
6715.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
第二個議題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
6715.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
6717.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
負擔放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
6717.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
6719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
目前這個相關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
6719.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
6721.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
目前這個相關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
6721.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
6723.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
目前這個相關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
6723.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
6725.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
目前這個相關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
6725.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
6727.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
目前這個相關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
6723.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
6725.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
好像是說你查得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
6726.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
6728.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
目前查不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
6728.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
6730.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
也沒辦法鎖住 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
6730.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
6732.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
然後罰不成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
6732.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
6734.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
是三重的這個制度的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
6735.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
6737.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
會讓你這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
6737.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
6739.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
負擔放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
6739.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
6741.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
這個做一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
6741.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
6743.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
管制手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
6743.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
6745.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
他是徒勞無功的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
6746.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
6748.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
從法師面跟實際上所發生的這些保義效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
6748.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
6750.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
從法師面跟實際上所發生的這些保義效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
6750.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
6752.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
6750.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
6752.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
這個你沒有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
6752.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
6754.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
我跟你們報告這個到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
6754.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
6756.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
這個負承諾負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
6756.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
6758.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
我們事後有沒有能力監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
6758.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
6760.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
其實這跟個案有高度的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
6760.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
6762.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
有些案子我們負負擔監督是沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
6762.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
6764.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
這個案子我想審查多數的審查委員是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
6764.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
6766.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
這個案子裡面業者提出來的負負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
6766.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
6768.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
他們不認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
6768.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
6770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
這個是可以被監督了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
6770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
6772.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
或者說他們做得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
6772.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
6774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
這個是有高度的個案性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
6774.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
6776.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
我們也沒辦法說一竿子打翻所有的承諾負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
6776.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
6778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
都說你們負的負擔都不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
6778.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
6780.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
這個還是要看個案的事實來做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
6781.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
6783.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
比如說你如果按照公民法39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
6783.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
6785.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
第一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
6785.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
6787.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
你會授權你們去處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
6787.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
6789.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
未履行負擔的事業對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
6789.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
6791.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
但是你成立那麼久 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
6792.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
6794.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
你採訪過哪些大案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
6794.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
6796.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
違反復復擔委有罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
6796.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
6798.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
6798.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
6800.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
最近有一個大案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
6800.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
6802.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
也不是你們主動發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
6802.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
6804.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
也是民眾檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
6804.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
6806.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
當然我們會盡量去監督他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
6806.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
6808.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
因為他定期承包他們旅行的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
6808.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
6810.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
當然我們也不能說百分之百 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
6810.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
6812.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
我們一定都可以全部掌控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
6812.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
6814.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
但是如果有反應說有違反承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
6814.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
6816.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
我們還是進行調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
6816.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
6818.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
這個市場一直是變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
6818.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
6820.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
你如果這個抵觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
6820.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
6822.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
管制的本質 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
6822.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
6824.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
這個動態市場你守得住嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
6825.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
6827.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
當然這是有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
6827.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
6829.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
但是我們會盡量提高自己的數位執法能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
6829.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
6831.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
我們盡可能來做事後的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
6831.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
6833.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
6833.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
6835.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
這的確是有挑戰性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
6835.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
6837.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
比如說守不住的機會比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
6837.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
6839.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
也不能這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
6839.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
6841.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
你制度上要設計得更能夠守得住 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
6841.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
6843.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
所以要提升本會的數位執法能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
6843.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
6845.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
就是說他對於數位科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
6845.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
6847.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
監測工具的使用情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
6847.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
6849.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
能力配置等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
6849.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
6851.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
這個我們會朝這個方向來改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
6851.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
6853.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
6853.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
6855.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
這個門檻相對高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
6856.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
6858.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
那到時候變成你法不成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
6858.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
6860.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
6860.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
6862.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
像這個今年9月 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
6863.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
6865.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
有個案子有2000萬的罰款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
6865.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
6867.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
6866.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
6868.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
主要原因就是說法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
6868.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
6870.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
替負擔線做一個解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
6871.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
6873.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
6872.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
6874.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
你更名為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
6874.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
6876.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
所提出的證據不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
6877.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
6879.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
那現在怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
6878.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
6880.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
這案子我們已經在提起上訴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
6880.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
6882.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
因為我們對法院的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
6882.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
6884.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
我們有不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
6884.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
6886.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
所以我們已經提起上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
6886.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
6888.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
我們盡量爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
6888.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
6890.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
我們會提出充實的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
6890.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
6892.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
來說服法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
6892.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
6894.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
另外請蘇發部跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
6897.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
6899.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
蘇發部跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
6900.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
6902.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
來經濟部蘇發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
6903.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
6905.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
6905.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
6907.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
這個在台灣的跨境數位平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
6909.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
6911.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
6911.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
6913.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
有五大民生服務的領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
6915.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
6917.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
這個領域都會有一些監管的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
6917.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
6919.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
因為這些特徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
6919.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
6921.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
6921.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
6923.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
就是它是高集中度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
6923.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
6925.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
然後是一個強大的網路效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
6925.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
6927.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
另外它還掌握大量民生跟金融的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
6928.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
6930.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
運用非典型的勞動力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
6930.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
6932.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
這些都是它這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
6932.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
6934.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
在台跨境平台的數位平台特徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
6936.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
6938.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
6938.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
6940.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
比如說有車輛媒體平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
6940.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
6942.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
跨境電商 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
6942.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
6944.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
機師物流平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
6944.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
6946.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
電房旅遊體驗平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
6946.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
6948.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
通訊社群金融生態圈等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
6948.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
6950.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
數位影音串流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
6950.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
6952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
6952.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
6954.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
產生了一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
6955.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
6957.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
主要是針對這個所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
6957.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
6959.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
有些是依賴中方的雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
6962.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
6964.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
中方的雲端 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
6963.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
6965.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
透過股權的繞過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
6965.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
6967.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
會變成現行機制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
6967.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
6969.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
一些資安的隱憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
6972.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
6974.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
這個可能經濟部跟塑化部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
6974.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
6976.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
可能要針對這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
6976.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
6978.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
去了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
6978.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
6980.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
因為這些五大民生服務領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
6980.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
6982.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
都掌握大量五國民生消費跟地理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
6984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
6986.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
投資的資安外輸掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
6986.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
6988.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
跨國數據平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
6989.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
6991.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
6991.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
6993.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
未來針對外資審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
6993.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
6995.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
你裡面應該要包含一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
6995.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
6997.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
資料主權跟雲端架構的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
6998.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7000.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
6999.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
這個經濟部或者是塑化部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7001.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7003.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
你們覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7004.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7006.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7006.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7008.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7008.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7010.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
其實在我們現在審查的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7010.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7012.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
比如像Grab這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7012.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7014.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
我們確實有針對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7014.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7016.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
資料儲存的一些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7016.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7018.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
有請投資人釐清過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7018.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
那原本應該也會針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7022.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
再做進入到所謂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7022.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
資料主權是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
那所謂的雲端架構審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
這個是塑化部嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7029.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7031.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
原則上我只要是外資審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7031.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7033.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
我們都會針對風險因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7033.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7035.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7035.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7037.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
可是你們有這方面的專業嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7037.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7041.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
我們就是請相關的主管機關去協助審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7041.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7043.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
你們會請塑化部再表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7043.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7045.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7044.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7048.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
如果未來將這個關鍵數據伺服器落地台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7048.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7050.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
或者禁止使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7050.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7052.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
據國安一律的雲端服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7052.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7054.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
把這兩項標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7054.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7056.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
作為一個準薄的附加條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7057.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7059.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
這個可不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7059.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7061.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
這可不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7061.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7063.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
其實這個已經有納入現代的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7063.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7065.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
不過前提當然要是一個投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7065.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7067.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
已經有納入審查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7067.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7069.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
是是對我們在審查過程中會去考慮這些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7069.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7071.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
那是投審師的審查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7071.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7073.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7073.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7075.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
有針對伺服器落地台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7075.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7077.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
禁用國安一律的雲端服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7077.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7079.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
這兩項標準有在你們審查標準裡面有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7081.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7083.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
應該講說這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7083.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7085.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
算到所謂的我們的各自保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7085.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7087.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
我覺得更明確一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7087.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7089.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
把這個更明確化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7089.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7091.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
就我剛剛說的那樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7091.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7093.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
關鍵數據伺服器要落地台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7093.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7095.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
另外就是說禁用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7095.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7097.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
據國安一律雲端服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7097.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7099.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
這個標準立委你們審查的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7100.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7102.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
一個依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7102.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7104.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
或者附加條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7103.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7105.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
這個能不能去評估一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7105.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
可以可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7109.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
謝謝市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7108.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7110.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
謝謝市委員謝謝市長還有市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7110.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7112.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
接下來請政政前委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7112.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7114.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
召委請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7123.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7127.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
謝謝主席我想請一下我們公評會的代理主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7129.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7130.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7136.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
各位早 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7137.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7138.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
各位早 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7138.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7144.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
謝謝主席今天特別安排公平會就跨境事業並購案之結合審查機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7144.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7146.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
是否納入複雜股權結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7147.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7150.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
勞動權益與資安風險等考量的一個專報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7151.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7156.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
那其實每次我們只要碰到了就是交易平台的一個並購案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7156.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7159.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
都會引起非常非常大的一個社會關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7159.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
最主要是現在的消費行為跟整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7163.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7168.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
那個外送平台關係都非常非常的緊密 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7172.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
那我想說從之前包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7172.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
Uber曾經要用9.5美元並購FUPENDA |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7177 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7179 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
那次就引起很多的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7183.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
那一次其實公平會也很清楚的給了一個禁止的一個答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7183.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7186.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
那昨天其實公平會也非常的有效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7186.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7189.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
在我們今天的一個專報之前的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7189.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7193.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
也直接宣布了禁止GRAB |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7193.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7196.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
來並購FUPENDA這樣的一個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7196.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7199.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
那因為這段時間以來其實我們看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7199.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7201.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
就是支持的其實蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7201.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7203.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
反對的其實也蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7203.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
然後尤其碰到這個Deadline的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7207.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7209.52 |
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就是打得越來越兇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7209.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7213.96 |
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那我甚至於從媒體上面看到了一個這樣子的一個指控 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7214.36 |
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7216.06 |
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它標題就直接寫著說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7216.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7218.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
這個交易如果破局了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7218.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7220.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
誰等著低價要接手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7221.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7224.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
感覺上好像是在營造一個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7224.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7226.1 |
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就是公平會如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7226.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7229.7 |
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沒有站在這個媒體的一個特定立場的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7229.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7233.7 |
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感覺公平會就變成了一個特定方的一個打手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7233.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7237.1 |
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好像是要讓下面一個接手的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7237.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7239.4 |
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得到了公平會的一個按住 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7242.34 |
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那我在想說公平會在做這樣的決策的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7242.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7244 |
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肯定是有公平會的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7244.6 |
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7245.68 |
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決策的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7245.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7249.7 |
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那你們昨天的新聞資料也很清楚的寫到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7249.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7251.54 |
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因為股權的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7251.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7253.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
那減少積極競爭的一個誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7253.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7255.84 |
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是你們這次做最主要的一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7256.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7258.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
那針對這樣的一個媒體的指控認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7258.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7263.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
公平會如果給了一個否定的一個禁止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7263.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7266.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
歸回來併購那個FUPENTA的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7266.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7268.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
可能要讓下面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7268.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
一手可能會更便宜去接手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7271.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7274.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
感覺好像變成指控起來感覺很像案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7274.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7276.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
公平會變成一個特定方的打手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7276.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7280.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
針對這部分可不可以請代理主委做一個清楚的一個回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7280.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7281.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
我想我簡單的講就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7282.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7284.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
不管是說這個案子如果破局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7284.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7285.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
後面誰會來接手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7285.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7287.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
或者稍早之前也有人提出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7288.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7290.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
適合詬病的名單清單等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7291.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7293.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
這些都不在我們的考量範圍之內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7293.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7295.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
我們會注意到有這樣的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7295.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7298.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
但是這個跟我們競爭分析是沒有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7298.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7301.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
因為這畢竟是系屬於未來的一些產業結構的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7302.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7303.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
那我們昨天在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7303.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7306.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
我們在討論過程當中其實也很清楚的考慮到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7307.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
我們當然就是依照現有的當事人申報的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7313.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
還有我們透過各種管道收集到的市場跟產業資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7314.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7315.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
既有的證據底下去做判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7320.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
至於未來這個市場產業會發展誰會來接誰怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7320.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
這個我們在現階段我們不會去考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7323.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7326.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
所以我想說因為這個外送平台併購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7326.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7328.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
確實影響消費者很大的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7329.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7331.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
那因為你提到一個狀態就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7331.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7333.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
因為這次會禁止併購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7333.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7335.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
最主要是因為可能會減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7336.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7337.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
積極競爭的一個誘因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7337.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7340.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
那我在想說積極競爭其實很大一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7340.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7341.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
其實就是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7342.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7345.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
就是外送的市場其實能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7346.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7347.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
更為有效競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7347.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7348.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
然後依照那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7348.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7350.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
依靠這個外送平台生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7350.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7352.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
營業的民眾跟消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7353.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7354.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
其實都能夠得到很好的一個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7355.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
所以針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7356.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7360.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
我想請教一下我們這一次在做這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7360.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7361.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
準駁的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7362.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
是否有特別去考量到外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7365.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
他們的一個工作機會的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7368.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7370.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
跟店家的抽成費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7370.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7372.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
各種的成本會不會更重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7373.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7375.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
還有消費者他們的優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7375.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7376.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
是不是會得到更多的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7376.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7378.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
我們是不是有從這個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7378.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7381.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
來做一個很清楚的一個考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7382.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7383.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
我想是這樣跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7383.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
就是外送員跟店家的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7385.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7387.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
譬如說外送員的工作機會收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7387.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
這個基本上我們已經有專法在規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7390.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7391.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
所以這個大概就是有專法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7391.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7393.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
目的事業助燃機關來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7393.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7395.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
店家的部分當然這也是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7395.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7397.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
目的事業助燃機關經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7397.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7398.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
他們來處理這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7398.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7402.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
所以外送員跟店家的權益的受損這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7402.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7404.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
基本上我們是比較沒有去考慮到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7404.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7405.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
消費者的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7405.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7408.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
其實我們當然整個公平法第一條規定的很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7408.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
我們公平法實施的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7409.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7411.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
是要促進消費者的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7411.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
所以但是這個促進消費者的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7412.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7414.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
是建立在競爭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7416.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7418.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
所以我們還是聚焦在這個節而案本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7418.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7419.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
對競爭的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7420.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7422.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
那間接的就是說假設這個節而案對競爭有利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7422.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7425.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
我們相信間接的它會實現消費者的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7425.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
但是反過來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7428.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
如果這個節而會讓市場競爭削弱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7428.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7430.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
那消費者當然間接的也會受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7430.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7433.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
所以我們大概是這樣的架構底下去探討這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7433.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7435.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
委員關切的這個三個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7435.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7437.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
ok 那我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7437.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
其實基本上本席跟您剛剛講的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7439.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7441.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
其實有一個很清楚的共識就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7441.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7443.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
我們在做這個部分當中的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7443.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7444.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
除了對於併購案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7444.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7447.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
對於整個市場當中的一個競爭關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7447.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7450.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
是不是能夠維持一個很有效的一個競爭的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7450.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
對外送員不能維持合理的一個收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7452.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7454.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
店家會不會被提高抽成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7454.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7457.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
消費者能不能享有充分的競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7457.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
所帶來的一個合理的價根服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7459.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7461.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
其實是重要的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7461.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7463.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
那其中有關外送員跟店家的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7463.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7464.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
你都有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7464.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7465.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
因為我們已經有專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7465.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7467.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
跟其他的部會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7468.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7469.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
針對這部分的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7469.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7472.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
所以我接下來其實想要特別提到的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7472.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
因為外送員的權益保障及外送平台管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7476.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7479.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
其實在今年7月21號正式的一個實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7480.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7481.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
所以我們講的外送專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7482.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7484.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
那麼針對這個部分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7484.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
其實我要特別來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7487.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7489.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
包括我們經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7489.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7490.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
然後其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7492.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7493.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7493.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7494.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7495.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7495.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
速發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7496.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7498.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
跟交通部我們代表其實一起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7501.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7503.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
請各部會的代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7505.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7506.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
因為這個問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7506.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7508.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
因為外送專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7509.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7510.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
出來之後的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7510.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7511.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
其實我們很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7511.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7513.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
其實是希望能夠保障消費者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7513.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7515.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
對外送員也有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7515.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7516.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
各方面的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7516.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7519.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
可是其實我們就看到了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7519.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7521.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
在外送專法當中的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7521.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7523.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
其實有兩個很主要的一個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7523.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7525.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
就是每單最低報酬的一個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7525.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7526.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
這是一個很重要的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7527.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7529.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
然後第二個就是單單計價的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7530.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7531.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
那針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7531.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7533.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
因為專法上路三個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7534.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7534.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7535.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7536.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
疊單的爭議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7536.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7538.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
勞動部這邊也有很清楚講到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7538.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7541.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
我們其實會用單單來計價這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7541.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7542.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
來解決它 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7542.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7544.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
那針對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7544.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7546.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
其實我們就來看一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7546.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7547.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7547.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7549.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
外送專法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7549.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7552.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
它保障了外送平台的每單的基本權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7552.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7554.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
那也增加了平台的一個負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7555.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7557.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
那因為我們看到了一個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7557.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7559.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
包括副噴打者有講到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7560.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7562.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
我們這專法上來之後的時候呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7562.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7564.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
那麼整個平台的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7564.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7566.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
漲價32% |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7566.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
成本提高32% |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7568.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7571.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
那當然外送員的每單的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7571.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7573.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
的收入也提高38% |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7573.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
都有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7575.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7576.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
提高的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7576.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
那結果會變什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7577.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7578.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
變消費者來買單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7578.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7580.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
會變成消費者來買單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7580.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7581.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
所以我想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7582.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7583.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
請教一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7584.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7585.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
我們目前的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7586.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7588.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
勞動部在管勞權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7589.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7592.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
那交通部在管運價的一個核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7592.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7595.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
那經濟部在管商家的一個權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7595.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7596.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
那書發部在管那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7597.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7598.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
線上的一個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7598.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7601.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
所以對於這樣子的一個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7602.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7603.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
外送專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7603.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7606.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
就是推動來之後的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7606.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7607.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
那消費者的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7609.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7611.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
必須要承擔更多的一個成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7611.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7613.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
可是目前已經看到這樣的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7613.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7617.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
那雖然說外送員他們每一單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7618.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7619.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
收入提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7619.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7622.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
可是他們等單的時間也提高43% |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7622.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7624.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
那所以說這個部分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7624.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7625.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
本來想要請教就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7626.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7629.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
我們接下來在做這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7631.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7632.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
是不是會有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7633.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7635.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
這麼多的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7635.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7638.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
針對外送這個產業的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7638.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7641.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
會成立一個外送產業運價與抽成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7642.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7644.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
聯動的一個審議機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7644.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7646.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
是不是可能會有這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7646.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7649.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
能夠把剛剛我們講的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7649.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7649.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7650.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7650.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7651.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7652.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
跟勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7653.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7656.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
跟那個我們書發部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7656.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7658.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
還有就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7659.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7660.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
交通部這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7660.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7664.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
針對核定美單的基本運價跟疊單報酬的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7664.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7667.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
能夠強制消費者接受調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7667.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7669.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
跟合作餐廳的最高的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7669.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7670.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
同時納入這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7671.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7672.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
法規的當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7672.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7674.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
我為什麼會提到這個狀態是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7674.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7676.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
在美國很多的城市 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7676.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
他們對於商家要負擔的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7679.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7681.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
就是外送成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7681.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7682.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
有限制的15% |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7682.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
7685.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
我們目前台灣是沒有完全市場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
7685.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
7687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
所以目前商家他們負擔的成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
7687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
7689.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
可能高達35% |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
7689.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
7690.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
是非常的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
7690.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
7691.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
非常的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
7692.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
7692.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
那所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
7692.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
7694.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
針對這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
7694.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
7695.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
外送 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
7696.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
7698.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
專法出來之後的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
7698.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
7699.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
我們對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
7699.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
7702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
整個的相關那個收費的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
7702.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
7703.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
是不是能夠有一個很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
7703.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
7705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
跨部會的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
7705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
7706.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
來做這樣的一個審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
7707.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
7708.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
可不可以請經濟部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
7708.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
7710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
做一個簡單的一個回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
7712.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
7713.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
各位委員抱歉我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
7713.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
7715.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
今天是投審是代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
7715.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
7717.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
不過這個部分我們會配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
7718.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
7720.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
整個法規的檢討來提供意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
7722.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
7722.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
7723.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
7723.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
來跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
7723.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
7726.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
那個在外送專法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
7726.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
7727.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
有關這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
7727.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
7729.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
商家的這個就 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
7729.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
7732.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
平台對商家的這個比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
7732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
7734.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
他事實上經濟部就我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
7734.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
7734.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
老公不瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
7734.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
7736.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
經濟部已經有訂了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
7736.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
7738.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
合作契約的範本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
7739.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
7741.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
那提供給這個平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
7741.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
7743.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
還有商家來做參考的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
7745.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
7747.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
所以這部分可不可以請商發署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
7747.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
7749.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
稍微回應一下這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
7749.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
7750 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
商發署 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
7752.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
7752.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
7753.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
7755.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
商發署是主管的一個機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
7758.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
7759.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
委員抱歉這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
7759.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
7762.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
因為不是我這邊所列管的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
7762.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
7763.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
所以是不是容我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
7763.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
7765.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
會後再補充給委員這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
7765.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
7765.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
OK好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
7766.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
7768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
OK那我想最後的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
7769.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
7770.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
我另外再問一個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
7770.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
7772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
就是KIA的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
7772.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
7773.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
KIA的問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
7773.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
7775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
這是公評會這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
7775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
7777.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
其實剛也有委員他們也提到這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
7777.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
7778.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
7779.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
7782.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
針對那個KIA的這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
7782.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
7783.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
我們罰了兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
7783.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
7784.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
7784.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
7785.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
對 罰兩百萬這部分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
7785.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
7786.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
7786.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
7787.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
因為對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
7789.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
7791.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
公評會在做這個部分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
7791.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
7793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
那我們想到一個直接的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
7793.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
7795.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
是一個消費者權益的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
7795.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
7798.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
那行政院消保處這邊的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
7798.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
7801.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
如果說碰到了很多的一個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
7801.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
7803.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
他拿整個公評會這邊的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
7804.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
7805.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
裁決出來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
7806.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
7809.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
那消費者是不是可以用你們這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
7810.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
7812.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
然後來保 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
7813.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
7816.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
來針對消保法跟民法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
7816.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
7818.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
針對KIA來提起求償 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
7818.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
7819.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
我想我們做出的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
7819.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
7821.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
當然是他在訴訟上可以運用的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
7821.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
7822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
一個佐證資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
7822.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
7825.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
這個應該是一個消費者可以拿來做為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
7825.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
7827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
提起後續損害賠償訴訟的一個依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
7828.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
7828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
7828.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
7830.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
所以像這部分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
7830.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
7830.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
我在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
7830.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
7832.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
因為我們公評會竟然做了這樣的裁決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
7832.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
7834.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
如果能夠的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
7834.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
7836.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
我其實因為在這一次的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
7837.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
7838.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
7839.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
7840.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
裁罰公告裡面的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
7840.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
7841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
如果能夠的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
7841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
7843.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
我們本席是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
7843.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
7845.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
能夠也把消費者權益的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
7845.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
7848.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
他們是不是能夠去做這樣的消費權益的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
7848.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
7849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
時候也能夠帶到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
7849.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
7851.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
那我覺得這樣子其實可能是對於公評會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
7851.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
7852.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
7852.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
7853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
這樣的一個裁決之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
7853.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
7855.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
對消費者的一個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
7855.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
7857.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
也能夠提起更正面的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
7857.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
7859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
事實上在我們的處分書當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
7859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
7860.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
我們都會去描述說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
7860.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
7863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
這個行為到底對市場跟消費者的利益的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
7863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
7864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
會有什麼樣的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
7864.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
7865.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
所以這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
7865.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
7867.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
我們其實都有在處分書裡面做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
7867.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
7871.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
ok 那如果說現在比方說Kia他們提出一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
7871.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
7873.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
就是一個安心的一個方案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
7873.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
7873.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
7874.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
7875.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
提出來之後的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
7875.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
7877.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
消費者還是還能不能繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
7878.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
7878.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
7879.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
7881.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
就是公評會的一個裁決的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
7881.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
7883.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
再提起一個消費者的一個訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
7883.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
7884.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
消費權益的訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
7884.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
7886.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
我們處分是一個行政上的處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
7886.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
7888.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
那後續消費者要提起損害賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
7888.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
7890.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
那是一個民事訴訟的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
7890.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
7892.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
所以兩者之間並不衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
7892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
7893.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
ok 好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
7895.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
7896.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
好 謝謝鄭昭偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
7897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
7899.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
謝謝主委 各官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
7899.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
7901.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
接下來請陳昭明委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
7914.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
7918.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
首先邀請我們公評會的陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
7918.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
7919.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
好 邀請陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
7925.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
7926.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
好 我先走 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
7926.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
7928.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
那個陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
7928.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
7930.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
好 我請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
7930.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
7934.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
Panda是台灣的公司還是國外的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
7935.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
7937.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
他的母公司是國外的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
7938 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
7938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
7938.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
7939.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
他的母公司是國外的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
7939.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
7942.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
母公司是國外的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
7942.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
7944.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
還有台灣的出本多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
7945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
7946.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
台灣的出本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
7947.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
7949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
看有沒有台灣人在投訴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
7950.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
7952.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
他的持股是百分之百持股 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
7952.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
7954.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
百分之百 都是外國公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
7955.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
7957.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
那我現在想到一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
7958.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
7962.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
當Uber要變購Panda的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
7962.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
7964.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
是決定5億美金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
7965.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
7969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
現在換成Grab要來變過Future Panda |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
7969.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
7971 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
變成6億美金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
7971.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
7973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
這個價格節節下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
7973.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
7976.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
當然是國外公司我就比較不介意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
7977.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
7981.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
但是裡面用的是台灣員工的保障權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
7981.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
7984.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
如果以你公平為主樣的做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
7985.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
7988.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
我不曉得外國公司會怎麼樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
7988.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
7990.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
但是員工是台灣的員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
7991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
7992.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
所以你們這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
7992.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
7994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
我就覺得莫名其妙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
7997.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
7998.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
我要吹出個音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
7999.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8002.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
當然Uber在變購Future Panda的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8002.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8005.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
確確實實會變成壟斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
所以我們當時反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8007.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8010.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
那今天我看到很多的委員在此行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8011.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8014.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
那今天變購Future Panda的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8018.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8018.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8019.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8021.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
說他占了股權比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8022.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8024.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
一個是國安資訊的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8025.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8027.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
那這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8033.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
他說Uber跟Grab占有13.5的普通股權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8034.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8038.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
但是他投票時只投票只占了3.5還3.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8042.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
世界的交換儲股都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8046.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8049.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
還有一直在調校說這個中資區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8050.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8052.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
如果以經濟不來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8053.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8055.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
中資區域來這邊投資的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8055.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8059.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
就超過30%要經過營運格的審核管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8059.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8062.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
通到紅色供應鏈就拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8063.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8066.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
那個世衛部我再請教你一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8072.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8074.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
那這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8074.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8077 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
照某些委員所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8077.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8080.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
世界國家的安全資料裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8081.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8085.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
如果用華為的大師技就死於紅色的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8085.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8086.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
那我請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8087.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8089.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
如果台灣的大師技的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8089.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8093.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
要用哪一家公司的才不會死於紅色的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8095.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8096.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
哪一家公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8098.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8103.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
大師技你們裡面談到說用到那個華為的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8103.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8105.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
就是紅色的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8106.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8108.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
假設它是紅色的供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8109.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8111.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
用哪一家公司才不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8117.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8120.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
國際商大員Google AWM |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8122.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8124.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
你這個欺騙外行人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8124.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8128.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
用Google AI就不是資料就不會外洩嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8131.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
Google也是要存摺出去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8132.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8135.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
世界各國要跟它存摺這個世紀中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8135.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8138.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
這樣叫做外洩也不會外洩嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8138.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8140.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
生理人真是有八八種的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8141.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8144.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
Google也有中國的用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8144.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
也有澳洲的用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8146.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8147.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
也有日本的用戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8147.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8149.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
我在日本設一家公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8149.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8152.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
我跟你存摺什麼資料不外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8152.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8155.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
你是來紅地騙外行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8155.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8156.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
親自來找 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8157.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
這樣的制度怎麼會對台灣有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8159.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8161.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
民主制度有信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8161.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8163.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
來你跟我講我的詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8163.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8166.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
還用國安四據一個胡小胖子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8167.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8170.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
賣的東西都是國安四據 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8170.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8172.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
你們就用國安什麼來搶掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8173.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
這違法生意是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8175.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8177.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
企業自由政治的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8177.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8179.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
都清台公共的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8179.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8180.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
這樣來遭到令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8182.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8183.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
我覺得很奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8183.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8185.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
那如果照你們這樣子手講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8186.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8187.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8188.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8190.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
美國沒有安全孤立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8190.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8191.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
我補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8191.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8193.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
只有日本沒有安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8193.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8196.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
那些國家真的最多啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8196.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
什麼資料也要把你挖起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8199.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8200.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
你們都這樣子在搶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8203.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8204.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
不然用Google |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8204.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8206.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
Google就不會外流出去嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8207.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8209.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
我現在不跟你們辯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8209.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8211.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
我只說用頭腦去想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8211.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8212.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
你們領域有點多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8213.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8215.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
Google一定有很多說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8215.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8217.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
中國人在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8217.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8219.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
華人在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8219.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
也有歐洲公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8223.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
在日本的中國公司在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8226.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
美國的中國公司在使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8229.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
要把你鞭切快一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8230.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8231.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
用這樣做就試起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8232.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8234.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
所以我覺得今天很冒命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8235.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
這個專題報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8237 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8238.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
我覺得確實有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8239.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8241.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
公平衛生主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8241.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8242.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
不要受到毛澤東壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8243.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8244.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
我不是替誰講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8244.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8246.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
我早上才看了資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8247.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8248.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
這個問題我不熟悉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8248.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8251.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
我每天有看經濟日報裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8252.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8254.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
今天經濟日報的設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8254.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8255.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
就在談這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8255.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8256.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
那我建議你最好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8257.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8259.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
你把統一找過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8259.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8260.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
把全聯找過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8261.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8261.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8262.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8263.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
全家找過來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8263.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8265.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
叫他們核子一家公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8265.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8267.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
給台灣人經營就最好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8267.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
非常緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8268.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8270.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
不會流到美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8270.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8271.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
也不會流到日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8271.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8273.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
啊 省力一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8273.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8273.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
我根本沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8273.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8274.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8274.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8276.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
到底誰來接這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8276.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8276.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
沒有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8276.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8277.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
我是舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8277.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8278.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
我不是叫你接 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8278.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8279.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
我不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8279.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8281.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
我沒有那麼大的權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8281.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
現在想這種話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8283.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8284.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
隨時都會被抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8285.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8287.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
我們在考慮過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8287.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8288.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
純粹就是依法考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8288.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8288.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
我是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8289.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8291.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
你們今天所有環保道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8292.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8293.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
要知道不合法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8294.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8295.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
小題炸中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8297.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8298.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
哈 你要引進了外資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8299.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8300.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
東南亞國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8300.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
你就把它全部當為中資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8303.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8305.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
只有日本的不是中資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8305.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8307.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
只有美國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8307.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8309.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
跟歐洲的才進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8309.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8311.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
你這個政府已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8312.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
我跟委員報告公評會的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8314.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
我沒有審查到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8315.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8316.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
資安跟中資的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
8316.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
8319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
沒有 裡面有談到資安嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
8319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
8320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
因為我談到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
8320.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
8321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
第三頁那個司法部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
8321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
8322.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
你們的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
8322.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
8323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
第三頁 第四頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
8323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
8324.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
你看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
8324.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
8325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
資安什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
8325.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
8326.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
這個不過我們管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
8326.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
8328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
是司法部管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
8328.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
8329.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
等一下要說有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
8329.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
8331.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
等一下要說沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
8331.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
8332.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
第三頁 第四頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
8332.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
8333.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
你看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
8333.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
8335.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
我今天看到這篇文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
8335.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
8337 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
8337 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
8339.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
等一下又國安又資安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
8339.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
8341.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
哈 覺得Uber傳送公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
8341.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
8343.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
有那麼偽詐嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
8343.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
8346.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
總統府也不會去買那個啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
8347.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
8350 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
那個外送平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
8350.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
8353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
選政院長也不願意買外送平台來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
8353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
8354.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
你以為這有可能啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
8355.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
8356.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
他們有時候保護嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
8360.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
8362.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
如果人家外資要來投資的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
8363.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
8365.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
83種開放的心理不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
8365.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
8367.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
你就處罰他嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
8368.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
8369.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
你現在少要講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
8371.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
8373.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
你這個台灣公司要介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
8376.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
8377.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
你這個台灣公司要介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
8381.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
8382.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
台灣的企業員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
8382.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
8384.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
所得的萬一有變動的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8384.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
8385.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
所得比較少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8385.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
8386.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
至於這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8388.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
8389.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
我拜個禮 恭喜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
8390.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
8391.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
很奇怪 很貓咪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
8393.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
8395.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
這個到底後面在說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
8395.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
8396.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
你看結果就曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
8396.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
8398.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
台灣公司收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8398.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8399.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
謝謝委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
8399.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
8400.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
我們後續還是會依照公平法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8400.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8402.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
仔細來觀察這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8404.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
謝謝陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
8407.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
謝謝陳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8410.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
好 接下來有請羅廷瑋委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8410.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
羅廷瑋 羅廷瑋不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8411.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8412.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
有請蘇清泉委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8412.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8414.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
蘇清泉 蘇清泉委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8414.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8415.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8419.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
登記發言委員除不在場者外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8419.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8420.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
其餘均已發言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8420.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8421.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8422.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
委員呂毅霖 陳庭菲 賴瑞龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8425.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
所提書面質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8425.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8426.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
列入紀錄刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8426.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8428.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
書面質詢及未提答覆部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8428.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8430.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
請相關單位於一週內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8433.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
以書面答覆並複製本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8433.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8436.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
委員令要求限期者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8436.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8437.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
重啟鎖定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8437.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8439.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
剛剛本席有要求公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8439.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
跟經濟部投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8442.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8444.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
請問請一個月內提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8444.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8445.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8445.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8448.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
好 本日鎖定議程處理完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8448.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
謝謝大家 謝謝三位 |