iVOD / 17727

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IVOD_ID 17727
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17727
日期 2026-10-08
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2026-10-08T11:30:21+08:00
結束時間 2026-10-08T14:05:00+08:00
影片長度 02:34:39
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會議時間 2026-10-08T12:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院朝野黨團協商(事由:一、本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議「性別平等工作法部份條文修正草案」及委員提案等共計130案。二、本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議「就業保險法部份條文修正草案」及委員提案等共計100案。)
委員名稱 完整會議
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 我我
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 我在
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 林
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 王安祥委員
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 邱慧如委員
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 今日保留條文
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 還要介紹現場官員
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 勞動法務司副會執事長
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 聲音又變小了
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 勞動保險局白立貞局長
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 法務部汪南君參事
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transcript.whisperx[94].text 財政部附稅署吳秀玲專委
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 全序部法規師蕭麗龍專委
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transcript.whisperx[96].text 全省司林黛凡專委
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 證券期貨局蔡雅雯專委
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 主計總處公務預算處陳淑萍專委
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 黃厚偉專委
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 今日跑流條文既有七條希望盡量協商通過
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 請各委員綜合考量
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 勞動部也隨時溝通
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transcript.whisperx[122].text 陳金輝委員
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 今天進行方式人事請勞動部先說明
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 再請各委員提出意見
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 最後會診協商結論請各黨團簽名
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 為了讓協商可以快順利
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 今天按主題式方式來做處理
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transcript.whisperx[128].text 處理順序表已經放在各位委員桌上
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 請各位委員參閱
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 一個主題事實上是先談育兒
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 兩部法案分五個主題來討論
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transcript.whisperx[132].text 第一個育兒假跟育兒留職停薪相關適用年齡
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 為六歲或八歲的議題
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transcript.whisperx[135].text 先就性別平等工作法第十六
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 十六之一、十二之二及就業保險法第十一條
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 請勞動部先做
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 我們先從十六條
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 跟各位委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 月情委員再次來主持協商
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 在我們在委員會的審查裡面
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 當時朝野的委員尤其是幾位在黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[144].text 大家都很關心我們這次
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 我們把育兒留庭跟育兒假
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 在原本行政的版本裡面都拉到六歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 未滿七歲、六歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 各黨的委員都有跟我們提說
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 其實小朋友上小一、小二
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 臨時或者需要應變的狀況有時候比較多
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 希望當時各黨委員都跟我們說
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 能不能把育兒假六十天的部分還是維持
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 只是把年紀從六歲以下拉到八歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 經過我們討論跟思考
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 我們也跟一些企業界討論
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 我們認為應該這部分我們願意來採納
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 他們也希望避免一些比較極端的狀況發生
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 希望我們有再加上有些文字的修訂的部分
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 未來可以在執法裡面考慮進去
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 所以我們包括一些授權的部分
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 我們也想修訂一下有加上限制兩個字
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 16條的部分
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 因為現在目前當初我們也是期待
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 尤其我這邊我也覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 今天小一、小二本來就是就讀全天的話
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 只要一天而已
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 事實上下午的時段裡邊
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 可能會有些問題或是有些需求
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 所以希望能夠在八歲前都能夠來使用
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 現在我覺得勞動部也同意
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 我們覺得非常好的一個
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 剛一些商就能夠得到這樣的答案
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 王玉敏委員
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 好 謝謝昭偉
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 首先我也要肯定勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 在這個議題上面從善如流
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 因為我記得我們在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 其實針對這一條真的大家論辯很久
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 我自己也是非常的堅持
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 因為我看到的就是實務上真的是家長的需要
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 今天如果政府已經要釋出善意
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 真的把這樣子的一個年紀延到八歲以下的子女
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transcript.whisperx[192].text 真的是造福了非常多家裡面有年幼小孩的家長
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 因為低年級的孩子真的很多的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 包括可能是生病
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 然後他發生之後需要的陪伴
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 所以這一個部分協商到現在
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 勞動部願意釋放出善意
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 這個采納委員的版本
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 那我想我是感到非常的欣慰
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 因為這個的確是造福這一些家裡有年幼子女的爸媽
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 所以我表達肯定
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 那也希望在這個落實的過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 我們真的可以讓這些家長可以更安心
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 就是說因為本來好像是停留在討論第16條的
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 育嬰留庭可以申請的年紀
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 那討論討論者就來到了
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 也一併把親子假討論進去
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 那我們基本上我們親子假台灣民眾黨所提出的版本
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 針對親子假的部分是希望說能夠讓父母
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 具有這個12歲以前的孩童之前的父母
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 他們也都能夠請這個親子假
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 但我們認為說從8歲到12歲這四個年齡層
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 其實雖然他們相較於幼兒相較於國小一二年級的學生
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 已經比較成熟了但是他們仍然是需要父母的關懷跟照顧
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 都是需要都是會有一些需求也許需要父母的介入
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 需要父母帶他去看醫生
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 希望父母有一些措施能夠維持他的健康
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 那當然這就有賴於父母撥出時間
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 他們接受這些相關照護的機會就會受到影響受到剝奪
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 以上說明謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 好陳靜薇委員
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 謝謝我的版本也是到8歲
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 所以肯定勞動部願意把6歲延到8歲這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 那我是反映很多家長的心聲
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 因為他們的意思是說在三年級之前
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 其實每個禮拜只有一天是上整天的課
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 有四天是半天對他們來說要做後續這個安排
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 是真的很麻煩那也很燒錢
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 另外不管是在學校或者是之後在安親班
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 如果有遇到多人同時生病
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 其實這個生病的狀況也會讓他們疲於奔命
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 就沒有辦法有的時候小孩是好好的
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 可是因為其他人生病所以就必須臨時取消工作
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 然後去接小孩回家等等
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 那第三個當然就是從這個上小學以前
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transcript.whisperx[245].text 幼稚園到小學的銜接小朋友心態上會無法適應
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 因為突然要寫比較多的作業以及有考試這樣
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transcript.whisperx[249].text 心態上小朋友也需要這樣子的協助
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[253].text 好 泛民委員
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transcript.whisperx[254].text 我自己是在2024年4月的版本
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transcript.whisperx[255].text 就有提出說把育嬰留庭的延伸歲數到八歲
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transcript.whisperx[256].text 那主要就是大家所提到的
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transcript.whisperx[257].text 因為八歲的人小一小二
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transcript.whisperx[260].text 都非常的需要
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transcript.whisperx[261].text 那這邊也提一下就是說其實南韓在2014年就修法改到八歲
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transcript.whisperx[266].text 就是未來能夠繼續再延長
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 好 我想那個部分是他希望我一起表達
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 肯定勞動部跟大家今天能夠有這個共識
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transcript.whisperx[269].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[270].text 繼續委員
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transcript.whisperx[271].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 我想這個議題大家也真的都討論的非常多
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transcript.whisperx[273].text 八歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[274].text 有沒有什麼證據需要更好的照顧模式
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transcript.whisperx[275].text 這是大家非常關心
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transcript.whisperx[276].text 那謝謝勞動部能夠
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transcript.whisperx[277].text 在瞭解大家的這個訴求跟需求之下
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transcript.whisperx[278].text 也做統一這樣的處理模式
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transcript.whisperx[279].text 那我這邊在追加
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transcript.whisperx[280].text 所瞭解的就是即使三到七歲的學齡前跟剛入學的兒童
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transcript.whisperx[281].text 也就是校園跟家庭群聚感染中最常見得到流感的一群
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 所以在這個前提之下
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 如果能夠把這個相關的法案做適當的處理的話
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transcript.whisperx[286].text 當然是有它一定的理由
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 包括免疫系統還沒有發育完全
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transcript.whisperx[289].text 這個都是大家可以理解
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transcript.whisperx[293].text 好那目前看起來大家都蠻有共識的
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 就是八歲大家是非常接受
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transcript.whisperx[295].text 而且也符合不管是家長提出來的需求
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 或者是我們社會民間團體的一些期待
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 那剛剛邱慧如委員有講到那十二歲這一塊
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 那個我想要跟大家說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 因為其實因為大家都會講到比方說韓國
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 其實韓國現在的育兒
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 它的留庭制度其實就是到八歲了
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 那我們現在看到幾個國家他們的
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 他們的親子假其實
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 甚至他們的單日親子假可能是沒有薪水的
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 他們單日親子假是沒有薪水的
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 甚至是請育兒假的六十天
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 都是有薪水的
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 這幾乎是相比於日本韓國
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 一個非常非常重要的突破
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 所以我們是真的很希望說可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 今天剛才在座其實委員我覺得共識度好像蠻高的
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 有沒有機會我們可以在這個地方先讓這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 先做一個確定的定案
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 就是用育兒假的方式
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 然後我跟大家說明這個育兒假是到
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 小孩未滿九歲以前
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 總共有六十天
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 就是爸媽單一一方就有六十天
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 雙方加起來會是一百二十天
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 其實兩個小孩的話就在double
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 那這應該是相當夠用的啦
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 我們可以把這個文字給先把它確定
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 因為這是很重要的一步
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 的確家長有很多事情要協助做處理
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 譬如說安靜班銜接不上的時候
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 或者是孩子突然真的事實上有一些生病的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 又沒有辦法送託
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 那在這種狀況底下我們希望到8歲
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 如果產業或者是考慮到女性有這麼多的這些
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 我認為應該目前我想不管事實上是陳金輝委員或王玉美委員
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 甚至於王智駿或范雨委員這邊都是希望已經到達這樣8歲
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 所以我還是要拜託邱惠如委員
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 那就用勞動不修正
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 是不是能夠同意也讓我們加速快一點去
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 否則的話我目前收到不管是民間團體或家長都很期盼
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 這法趕快通過之後明年他們可以馬上來使用
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[375].text 我可以那個回覆嗎
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 大家好
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 因為最主要就是我們台灣民眾黨提出的版本
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 其實台灣就先別撇開這個勞工家庭
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 其實真的是亞洲國家第二
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 然後也有多一點時間來照顧他們的這個子女
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 給了這麼多的假這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 那因為剛我們都是聚焦在討論這個育嬰留庭假
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transcript.whisperx[398].text 剛才早委當然就有提到我們的親子教育假
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 這第一點
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 因為剛當然我有都有聽到大家就覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 從目前的六歲提升到八歲
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transcript.whisperx[411].text 其實也是一個進展了
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transcript.whisperx[416].text 也一步到位的把該照顧的孩童照顧到
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 其實我們台灣民眾黨是從這個方式
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 角度來動心起念
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 以上說明謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 我們可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 十六條十六條之一十六條之二
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 大家一併的討論
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 我是在想我們想提出可不可以提出一個做法
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transcript.whisperx[426].text 想跟各位委員來商量
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 因為看到民眾黨也有所謂的親子教育假
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 那我們認為親子教育
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transcript.whisperx[429].text 比方說學校要開親私會運動會
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 那這個事情都
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 都有
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 的確都有一些這樣的需求
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transcript.whisperx[433].text 那大家我們的現在想規劃的育兒假
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transcript.whisperx[438].text 他們也反應
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transcript.whisperx[442].text 如果
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 有的時候在小學的時候其實又不太一樣
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 的項目然後讓大家可以綜合去使用
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 其實對大家反而相對是比較靈活的
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 所以他就反而可以在這裡面比較綜合
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transcript.whisperx[470].text 這部分是不是可以請民眾黨來協助考慮
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transcript.whisperx[476].text 所以很希望我們可以在這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 對勞工來說對家長來說彈性空間比較大
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transcript.whisperx[497].text 即便給的數字是一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 這就沒有限於8歲以下了
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 這就是幾乎是小朋友部分
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transcript.whisperx[550].text 其實大家共識都非常高
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 我希望能夠趕快讓可以得到這個法案
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 可以趕快讓他通過
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 因為我想大家包含剛剛那個民眾黨講的
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transcript.whisperx[565].text 就理想上都很好
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 可是就是改革有它的優先順位
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 那婦女新智基金會希望這一波
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 第一個最重要最順序希望最優先的
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 當然它的名稱就會是育兒
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transcript.whisperx[571].text 那第二個就是這一次的那個彈性的機制
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 那待會我們會討論到那個60天
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 這邊其實也可以跟那個邱委員對話一下
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 那在國外其實它就叫parental leave
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 其實就是親職假
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 只是我們名字有點不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 事實上就是育兒假
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 那當然就是說你講的東西我們都覺得很不錯
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 那我們可以未來再來據說爭取更多的
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 就是對家長更多的一個福利
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transcript.whisperx[587].text 那希望大家能夠就是這一波先讓它有共識出去
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 以上
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transcript.whisperx[589].text 好我們先休息
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transcript.whisperx[591].text 再來就是那個彈性的60年內
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 你想那個很好可是你知道它不夠能不下水
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transcript.whisperx[593].text 就是現在問題是這樣就是說
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transcript.whisperx[596].text 因為有錢
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transcript.whisperx[597].text 你就把它過回來
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transcript.whisperx[598].text 就是你要把這個過度
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transcript.whisperx[599].text 不夠空間一下子三歲靠到發水
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 結果就沒有工作了
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 所以我們要女性可以更快把來情緒開解
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 好那
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 希望8歲這個東西
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 因為這不是喊價
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 其實如果沒有錢都好
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transcript.whisperx[621].text 用乾淨交流價
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transcript.whisperx[627].text 這個其實是不會接受
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transcript.whisperx[628].text 主要這個是
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transcript.whisperx[636].text 對對對
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transcript.whisperx[637].text 對對
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transcript.whisperx[639].text 其實各國的設計是有這樣
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transcript.whisperx[646].text 我們真的能夠整理說
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transcript.whisperx[651].text 我們就把它放到
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transcript.whisperx[652].text 寫上文法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[653].text 把它使用的用途給擴大
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transcript.whisperx[654].text 其實我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[655].text 當然可以看得到部長
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transcript.whisperx[659].text 其實有經過感的辯論
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transcript.whisperx[661].text 所以可能今天
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transcript.whisperx[662].text 要把這個
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transcript.whisperx[663].text 對對對
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transcript.whisperx[665].text 原本是
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transcript.whisperx[670].text 現在是3歲
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transcript.whisperx[671].text 現在放到8歲
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transcript.whisperx[674].text 讓蕙如再帶回去好了
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transcript.whisperx[675].text 我個人是覺得是真的
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transcript.whisperx[677].text 我們在委員會
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transcript.whisperx[678].text 第一時間他們也
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transcript.whisperx[680].text 後來他們也很有誠意的去做
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transcript.whisperx[686].text 是那樣子
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transcript.whisperx[689].text 我們可以考慮每天去的這個
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transcript.whisperx[690].text 其實這個數字
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transcript.whisperx[691].text 其實很多我們男生都跟說
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transcript.whisperx[692].text 並不是越大越好
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transcript.whisperx[694].text 是新的問題
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transcript.whisperx[695].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[700].text 這部我覺得真的是照顧了
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transcript.whisperx[703].text 需要的是這個
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transcript.whisperx[706].text 訴諸更高的這個
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transcript.whisperx[708].text 折衝一個
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transcript.whisperx[709].text 就是真的可行
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transcript.whisperx[710].text 就對家長很有利
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transcript.whisperx[714].text 我們就根本就
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transcript.whisperx[730].text 你是完全沒有理由
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transcript.whisperx[732].text 不是這樣那我們是更等協商
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transcript.whisperx[737].text 等一下現在正常就是14週
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transcript.whisperx[751].text 你知道如何
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transcript.whisperx[754].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[756].text 你知道
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transcript.whisperx[757].text 跟你的角度在有關
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transcript.whisperx[765].text 可以啊
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transcript.whisperx[766].text 這比較協商
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transcript.whisperx[822].text 就是我們願意把該考慮進來的事情
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transcript.whisperx[847].text 今天我一有公視就是
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transcript.whisperx[849].text 其實是上次討論
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transcript.whisperx[851].text 其實上一次我們有很多討論的保留
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transcript.whisperx[864].text 就是你現在就跟黨團報告
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transcript.whisperx[1144].text 你要想想看都是從年初開始
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transcript.whisperx[1145].text 比較重點其實是大宗
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transcript.whisperx[1146].text 年初開始,年晚八十八
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transcript.whisperx[1147].text 就是超多年來的
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transcript.whisperx[1148].text 重點現在
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transcript.whisperx[1149].text 我只跟你講
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transcript.whisperx[1150].text 重點是講完也不會有
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transcript.whisperx[1151].text 為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1152].text 我們都願意繼續講
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transcript.whisperx[1153].text 繼續講是個不繼續講
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transcript.whisperx[1154].text 因為這個痛快
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transcript.whisperx[1155].text 不能代表那個原狀
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transcript.whisperx[1156].text 沒有,你剛剛有聽到一些重點
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transcript.whisperx[1157].text 一定要告訴老闆說這個很甜
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transcript.whisperx[1158].text 對,他不甜的甜到也是打算
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transcript.whisperx[1159].text 因為他現在是甜的
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transcript.whisperx[1160].text 問題是你傳的甜
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transcript.whisperx[1161].text 我覺得是原汁原味
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transcript.whisperx[1162].text 好好好
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transcript.whisperx[1163].text 然後你簽名是我們中間的那個
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transcript.whisperx[1164].text 因為比方說,像我講的
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transcript.whisperx[1165].text 像家庭導入家
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transcript.whisperx[1166].text 家庭導入家庭
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transcript.whisperx[1167].text 平均要幾千萬人
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transcript.whisperx[1168].text 平均三天
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transcript.whisperx[1169].text 四百
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transcript.whisperx[1170].text 這樣說
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transcript.whisperx[1171].text 我真的可以做很多
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transcript.whisperx[1172].text 所以這裡面也有
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transcript.whisperx[1173].text 然後
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transcript.whisperx[1174].text 這裡面還有
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transcript.whisperx[1175].text 還有他
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transcript.whisperx[1176].text 我現在老公
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transcript.whisperx[1177].text 我太多資訊
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transcript.whisperx[1178].text 我可以大佛大道
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transcript.whisperx[1179].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[1180].text 所以這次
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transcript.whisperx[1181].text 我會在酒吧裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1182].text 來這樣寫
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transcript.whisperx[1183].text 然後寫一張這樣寫的
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transcript.whisperx[1184].text 然後我會在這邊寫上
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transcript.whisperx[1185].text 然後我會這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1186].text 你看,很囂張
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transcript.whisperx[1187].text 這一點我從沒有到過
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transcript.whisperx[1188].text 就
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transcript.whisperx[1189].text 因為你沒有補考
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transcript.whisperx[1190].text 所以可以補考
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transcript.whisperx[1191].text 我們就是
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transcript.whisperx[1192].text 照著這個論述
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transcript.whisperx[1193].text 再看一次中間
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transcript.whisperx[1194].text 先看看他們那邊
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transcript.whisperx[1195].text 然後其實
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transcript.whisperx[1196].text 反正寫上就是看
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transcript.whisperx[1197].text 我們現在在這邊真的是
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transcript.whisperx[1199].text 然後他們不要去收集
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transcript.whisperx[1201].text 討論好之後
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transcript.whisperx[1202].text 然後你
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transcript.whisperx[1203].text 如果完完全全
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transcript.whisperx[1205].text 完全按照那個論述
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transcript.whisperx[1206].text 這樣子寫上也沒有用
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transcript.whisperx[1208].text 這個真的是
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transcript.whisperx[1209].text 可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[1210].text 這也是重點事情
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transcript.whisperx[1211].text 秋瑋
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transcript.whisperx[1212].text 秋瑋
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transcript.whisperx[1213].text 秋瑋,我認為一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[1214].text 其實我認為這不一定
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transcript.whisperx[1215].text 這不一定是一步到位
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transcript.whisperx[1216].text 真的是現在
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transcript.whisperx[1217].text 要拉到12歲
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transcript.whisperx[1218].text 這是會
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transcript.whisperx[1219].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[1220].text 你馬上遇到
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transcript.whisperx[1222].text 那這個事情就
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transcript.whisperx[1223].text 根本是動不了的事情
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transcript.whisperx[1224].text 然後你
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transcript.whisperx[1225].text 如果這樣就是讓這件事情開發
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transcript.whisperx[1227].text 等著要補考
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transcript.whisperx[1228].text 沒有啦,我們當然
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transcript.whisperx[1229].text 這麼多家庭等著要補考
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transcript.whisperx[1232].text 對,不是秋瑋,你會解決
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transcript.whisperx[1233].text 協商之後不是就刪渡嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1234].text 刪渡就是
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transcript.whisperx[1235].text 交付間接民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[1236].text 可是委員
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transcript.whisperx[1238].text 我真的覺得我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[1239].text 這個法案
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transcript.whisperx[1240].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[1241].text 委員
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transcript.whisperx[1242].text 就是錢的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1243].text 不是
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transcript.whisperx[1244].text 這個我覺得用標準
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transcript.whisperx[1245].text 要不然就
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transcript.whisperx[1247].text 你現在
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transcript.whisperx[1248].text 你現在
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transcript.whisperx[1254].text 像是性很高的
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transcript.whisperx[1258].text 完整
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transcript.whisperx[1260].text 待會去
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transcript.whisperx[1370].text 好,現在繼續協商,那剛才委員就性別平等工作法第16跟16-1、16-2
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transcript.whisperx[1371].text 以及就業保險法第11條要進行協商
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transcript.whisperx[1372].text 大概目前民眾黨還是沒有辦法針對這些公司
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transcript.whisperx[1373].text 其他委員已經有公司,那民眾黨這邊還沒有公司的話
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transcript.whisperx[1374].text 就先行保留,那接下來第二個主題為
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transcript.whisperx[1376].text 那我們就委員續舊我們的性別平等工作法的第19條之一
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transcript.whisperx[1377].text 好,進行協商,然後請我們勞動部報告
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transcript.whisperx[1378].text 跟委員說明,針對那個現在第19條
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transcript.whisperx[1379].text 就是性工法第19條,主要是針對這個減少工時的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1381].text 就是已經有討論說希望我們提出一個這個獎勵計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1382].text 來獎勵這部分,那我跟委員們報告
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transcript.whisperx[1383].text 我們其實現在已經把這個獎勵計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1385].text 還有連帶的他的直帶津貼的整個的獎勵計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1386].text 已經把這個經費編到116年,也是明年度的年度預算裡面了
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transcript.whisperx[1387].text 所以我想跟大家說,我們是之前在委員會講的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1388].text 覺得這個獎勵計畫,勞動部我們絕對不是空口白話的
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transcript.whisperx[1389].text 我們是有很明確的把這個計畫,甚至這個計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1390].text 包括減少工時,包括直帶津貼
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transcript.whisperx[1391].text 甚至包括替代人力的津貼
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transcript.whisperx[1392].text 那也不只是減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1393].text 其實我們在我們的獎勵計畫也提供了幾個的選擇
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transcript.whisperx[1394].text 因為大家也講到,有些公司適合用減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1395].text 有些公司比較適合用調整工時
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transcript.whisperx[1396].text 也就是說,他一樣是上班8小時
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transcript.whisperx[1397].text 可是他把上班的時間整個做前後的挪移
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transcript.whisperx[1398].text 有些公司是可以做減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1399].text 有些公司是做調整工時
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transcript.whisperx[1400].text 那這些選項,我們都放入在勞動部接下來會提出的補助計畫裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1401].text 我們都已經放進去這補助計畫裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1402].text 所以我們希望我們用很明確的計畫的提出
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transcript.whisperx[1403].text 來去取信跟說服委員說
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transcript.whisperx[1404].text 我們就暫時先不要來動新工法的19條
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transcript.whisperx[1405].text 因為新工法的19條確實還是會有
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transcript.whisperx[1406].text 如果要去動的話,它就是一個強制性的條文
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transcript.whisperx[1407].text 那這個強制性的條文的確是現在很多企業
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transcript.whisperx[1408].text 尤其是中小企業他們很擔心的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[1409].text 就等於它變成一個不能拒絕的情況
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transcript.whisperx[1410].text 所以還是希望我們先用獎勵計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1411].text 那我們已經有明確的計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1412].text 這個請委員們不用擔心
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transcript.whisperx[1413].text 那接下來這個計畫,我們會找地方政府一起來討論
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transcript.whisperx[1414].text 因為裡面牽涉到很多的執行鏈的事情
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transcript.whisperx[1415].text 現在也已經在籌備跟地方政府的討論了
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transcript.whisperx[1416].text 所以這絕對不會是一個空包彈
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transcript.whisperx[1417].text 請大家放心
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transcript.whisperx[1418].text 所以我們是想爭取說是不是19條
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transcript.whisperx[1419].text 就先不要修好不好
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transcript.whisperx[1420].text 那上次我也想,因為上次我記得幾位委員有講到
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transcript.whisperx[1421].text 如果我們同意6歲到8歲的話
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transcript.whisperx[1422].text 那個減少小時候大家就比較同意不要去修它
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transcript.whisperx[1423].text 還有19跟20條就盡量不要去修
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transcript.whisperx[1424].text 上次也有講到這件事
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transcript.whisperx[1425].text 所以我們還是希望盡量再爭取這部分,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1426].text 我也支持勞動部剛才的建議
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transcript.whisperx[1427].text 為什麼?因為的確如果一開始要再入法的話
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transcript.whisperx[1428].text 事實上各種狀況沒有辦法充分掌握
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transcript.whisperx[1429].text 那反而事實上延伸更多問題
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transcript.whisperx[1430].text 如果說今天從獎勵有意願的來做
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transcript.whisperx[1431].text 然後後來發現一些問題的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1432].text 調整到很適合規模的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1433].text 我們再來入法的話可能會是比較恰當
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transcript.whisperx[1434].text 那今天勞動部也同意要用獎勵機制來做
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transcript.whisperx[1435].text 也在附帶決議裡有提的話
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transcript.whisperx[1436].text 我相信在座的在場的委員應該會同意
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transcript.whisperx[1437].text 應該會同意喔,那黃毓民委員
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transcript.whisperx[1438].text 謝謝剛剛部長的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1439].text 謝謝剛剛部長的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1440].text 那我想請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[1441].text 就是那個整個預算的規模
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transcript.whisperx[1442].text 就是你們已經編了
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transcript.whisperx[1443].text 60億
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transcript.whisperx[1444].text 有編到60億是不是?好
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transcript.whisperx[1445].text 所以這個對於分布22個縣市來講
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transcript.whisperx[1446].text 就是一個縣市這樣大概是
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transcript.whisperx[1447].text 多少金額?
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transcript.whisperx[1448].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[1449].text 因為這當然會看每個縣市的人口
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transcript.whisperx[1450].text 跟就業人數
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transcript.whisperx[1451].text 就六都可能會比較多嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1452].text 因為他們的人口比較大
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transcript.whisperx[1453].text 所以到時候你的那個預算分配
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transcript.whisperx[1454].text 你會根據他的人口規模
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transcript.whisperx[1455].text 他實質的這一些育兒數
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transcript.whisperx[1456].text 就是應該要做一點調整吧對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1457].text 要一個適時的基礎
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transcript.whisperx[1458].text 然後人口比較多,子女數比較多
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transcript.whisperx[1459].text 這個公司人數比較多
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transcript.whisperx[1460].text 就等於他需求要比較高的
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transcript.whisperx[1461].text 你應該是要有這樣的分配吧
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transcript.whisperx[1462].text 跟委員說明,基本上就是
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transcript.whisperx[1463].text 這不是一個分配的概念
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transcript.whisperx[1464].text 是你有這樣按照
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transcript.whisperx[1465].text 我們補助計劃
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transcript.whisperx[1466].text 訂定的要求來做
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transcript.whisperx[1467].text 你企業有這樣支出
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transcript.whisperx[1468].text 就可以來申請補助
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transcript.whisperx[1469].text 所以企業把這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1470].text 所以他是直接跟你申請
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transcript.whisperx[1471].text 不用透過縣市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1472].text 跟縣市政府,但是錢是我們出
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transcript.whisperx[1473].text 所以你還是應該要縣市政府的概念吧
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transcript.whisperx[1474].text 因為你的quota應該還是縣市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1475].text 然後企業跟縣市政府嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1476].text 我的意思就是說
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transcript.whisperx[1477].text 你應該要去衡量到
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transcript.whisperx[1478].text 譬如說六都人口比較多的
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transcript.whisperx[1479].text 多跟少之間
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transcript.whisperx[1480].text 你應該要有那個概念
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transcript.whisperx[1481].text 就你的分配原則
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transcript.whisperx[1482].text 第二個呢,我要講的是
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transcript.whisperx[1483].text 像現在其實有很多是可以遠距的
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transcript.whisperx[1484].text 你剛剛講的很好
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transcript.whisperx[1485].text 有些是可以因應他的那個形態
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transcript.whisperx[1486].text 是彈性的那個時間
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transcript.whisperx[1487].text 但是也同時可以開放
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transcript.whisperx[1488].text 有一些他育有子女的
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transcript.whisperx[1489].text 如果公司他是願意開放給這個員工
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transcript.whisperx[1490].text 他是適合遠距的
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transcript.whisperx[1491].text 我覺得遠距其實對一些他自己照顧
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transcript.whisperx[1492].text 就是臨時要照顧小孩
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transcript.whisperx[1493].text 他不見得要請假
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transcript.whisperx[1494].text 他其實在家裡他就是有一個彈性給他
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transcript.whisperx[1495].text 那那個遠距
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transcript.whisperx[1496].text 我希望你們也可以列入考量
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transcript.whisperx[1497].text 就是說在整個你們獎勵的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[1498].text 如果他願意用
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transcript.whisperx[1499].text 就是考量到他照顧小孩
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transcript.whisperx[1500].text 其中有一些他是用遠距來調整的
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transcript.whisperx[1501].text 我覺得也可以考慮
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transcript.whisperx[1502].text 跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[1503].text 我們基本上現在會補助
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transcript.whisperx[1504].text 會有三種模式
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transcript.whisperx[1505].text 一種模式,減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1506].text 減少工時指的去公司上班
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transcript.whisperx[1507].text 減少一個小時的工時
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transcript.whisperx[1508].text 第二個模式叫做調整工時
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transcript.whisperx[1509].text 就是整段前後調整
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transcript.whisperx[1510].text 第三個就是
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transcript.whisperx[1511].text 居家跟電船
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transcript.whisperx[1512].text 那居家跟電船的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1513].text 他
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transcript.whisperx[1514].text 他比較不是減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1515].text 也就是在居家的方式
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transcript.whisperx[1516].text 那我們也有
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transcript.whisperx[1517].text 把他納入我們的規劃裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1518].text 對,所以我的意思說
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transcript.whisperx[1519].text 我們在補助的範圍裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1520].text 現在包括這三種模式
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transcript.whisperx[1521].text 都在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1522].text 那可能不同企業
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transcript.whisperx[1523].text 覺得他適合的模式
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transcript.whisperx[1524].text 因為會有一些企業他認為
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transcript.whisperx[1525].text 他不是那麼適合居家
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transcript.whisperx[1526].text 因為他可能會有員工在一起向心力
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transcript.whisperx[1527].text 等等,會在意這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[1528].text 那有一些他是比較排班制的
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transcript.whisperx[1529].text 他就比較不適合
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transcript.whisperx[1530].text 減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1531].text 因為不同的行業的營業性質
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transcript.whisperx[1532].text 會有不同
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transcript.whisperx[1533].text 所以我們也把他的多樣性給考慮起來
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transcript.whisperx[1534].text 所以補助的多樣性
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transcript.whisperx[1535].text 我們也把它有規劃進來,目前都只有的
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transcript.whisperx[1536].text 主席可以發言
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transcript.whisperx[1537].text 好,范委員
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transcript.whisperx[1538].text 那我說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[1539].text 這個第十九條我原本是
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transcript.whisperx[1540].text 2024年2月的提案
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transcript.whisperx[1541].text 那當時我的提案是刪除30人
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transcript.whisperx[1542].text 以上,然後把
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transcript.whisperx[1543].text 3歲改成5歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[1544].text 然後把不得請求報酬
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transcript.whisperx[1545].text 這個育兒減工時
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transcript.whisperx[1546].text 的不得請求報酬刪除
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transcript.whisperx[1547].text 那但是我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1548].text 勞動部現在提出來的計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1549].text 剛剛部長講這部分,我相當肯定
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transcript.whisperx[1550].text 因為第一個,他是針對
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transcript.whisperx[1551].text 200人以下的企業
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transcript.whisperx[1552].text 他幾乎可以cover大概台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[1553].text 9成以上,因為台灣是以中小企業
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transcript.whisperx[1554].text 為主嘛,那第二個我原本
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transcript.whisperx[1555].text 那個版本其實是要雇主支出
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transcript.whisperx[1556].text 那勞動部現在是用一個
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transcript.whisperx[1557].text 獎勵,而且針對
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transcript.whisperx[1558].text 就是說在家,工作都有
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transcript.whisperx[1559].text 然後減少工時,然後調整工時
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transcript.whisperx[1560].text 的部分,我覺得也很完善
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transcript.whisperx[1561].text 那所以,而且你們是
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transcript.whisperx[1562].text 育有12歲以下的子女
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transcript.whisperx[1563].text 就是說這個育兒減工時
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transcript.whisperx[1564].text 在我們前面
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transcript.whisperx[1565].text 討論的那個育兒假之外的
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transcript.whisperx[1566].text 又有這個部分,那從獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[1567].text 做起,我是相當肯定
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transcript.whisperx[1568].text 所以我就不堅持
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transcript.whisperx[1569].text 我原來的版本,那支持
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transcript.whisperx[1570].text 勞動部用這個計畫跟獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[1571].text 來取代,那我只有一個附帶決議
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transcript.whisperx[1572].text 那希望他可以研議一些東西
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transcript.whisperx[1573].text 以上說明,謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1574].text 王政紀委
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transcript.whisperx[1575].text 謝謝,我想剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[1576].text 部長也告訴我們說
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transcript.whisperx[1577].text 未來這個獎勵的措施
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transcript.whisperx[1578].text 有可能有三個內容
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transcript.whisperx[1579].text 那
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transcript.whisperx[1580].text 我不太清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1581].text 希望部長再說明一下的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1582].text 就是說,這三個裡面是
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transcript.whisperx[1583].text 擇一,或者是可以擇二
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transcript.whisperx[1584].text 還是可以三個多要
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transcript.whisperx[1585].text 就是在什麼情形之下
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transcript.whisperx[1586].text 才有機會獲得到這樣的補助
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transcript.whisperx[1587].text 請
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transcript.whisperx[1588].text 跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[1589].text 我們現在的規劃是說,如果有減少工時
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transcript.whisperx[1591].text 沒有變動,其實這個
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transcript.whisperx[1592].text 不用擇一,你如果同時都
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transcript.whisperx[1593].text 都做的話,我們有
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transcript.whisperx[1594].text 不同的制度獎勵
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transcript.whisperx[1595].text 這是一個部分,那工時沒有變動裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1596].text 我們就包含剛剛部長提到的
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transcript.whisperx[1597].text 你要留在原來的
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transcript.whisperx[1598].text 工作場所調整,或者是
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transcript.whisperx[1599].text 你允許員工工時沒有變動
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transcript.whisperx[1601].text 那這種製作性的,我們就是給企業
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transcript.whisperx[1603].text 所以這三個目前的規劃是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1604].text 那補充,然後給
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transcript.whisperx[1607].text 其實我們沒有分企業規模
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transcript.whisperx[1608].text 不單單兩百人以下,其實
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transcript.whisperx[1610].text 企業主願意給雇主
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transcript.whisperx[1611].text 這個不扣薪,或者是給直帶津貼
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transcript.whisperx[1612].text 我們都會補貼
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transcript.whisperx[1614].text 其實我們在這個制度上面
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transcript.whisperx[1615].text 其實是有參考
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transcript.whisperx[1616].text 也是參考日韓的做法
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transcript.whisperx[1617].text 其實是那一個小時的薪水
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transcript.whisperx[1618].text 減少工時的話,那個小時的薪水
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transcript.whisperx[1620].text 那個小時,但是它要是一個
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transcript.whisperx[1623].text 直帶津貼,也就是如果要來
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transcript.whisperx[1627].text 從公司裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1628].text 要找人來去
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transcript.whisperx[1629].text 頂替那個請假的
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transcript.whisperx[1630].text 代理的人,頂一天的話
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transcript.whisperx[1631].text 一天我們會補助八百塊
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transcript.whisperx[1633].text 那這八百塊的直帶津貼補助
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transcript.whisperx[1634].text 目前我們看起來也是比
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transcript.whisperx[1635].text 韓國來的優渥一點的
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transcript.whisperx[1637].text 假設每個小時的話,就再八個小時
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transcript.whisperx[1640].text 包括直帶的那個人
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transcript.whisperx[1641].text 我們都有放入到這個補助裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1642].text 所以這個金額才會
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transcript.whisperx[1643].text 我們編列到六十億
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transcript.whisperx[1644].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[1645].text 這個,我想我們是
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transcript.whisperx[1646].text 很有誠意
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transcript.whisperx[1647].text 那當然有些部分的制度
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transcript.whisperx[1648].text 變動,你把它放入到你的
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transcript.whisperx[1649].text 你這個制度的人事的
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transcript.whisperx[1650].text 制度裡面的話,我們也相關
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transcript.whisperx[1651].text 的補助
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transcript.whisperx[1652].text 主席,我可以再一次
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transcript.whisperx[1653].text 我想部長今天要這樣說明
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transcript.whisperx[1654].text 希望在過來這個示範計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1656].text 應該就有機會去做
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transcript.whisperx[1657].text 更深入
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transcript.whisperx[1659].text 那也可以了解
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transcript.whisperx[1661].text 所以我是很贊成說
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transcript.whisperx[1662].text 為止現行的這個
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transcript.whisperx[1664].text 好,就位
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transcript.whisperx[1665].text 好,謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1667].text 我們也是有一些比較
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transcript.whisperx[1668].text 真的算是比較
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transcript.whisperx[1669].text 略帶
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transcript.whisperx[1672].text 原由在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1673].text 那幾個立法性就是說
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transcript.whisperx[1674].text 因為現行法是三歲,我們想提升到十二歲
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transcript.whisperx[1675].text 那涵蓋更多的兒童
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transcript.whisperx[1676].text 我想這個希望能夠達成
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transcript.whisperx[1677].text 那第二個當然就是育民委員
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transcript.whisperx[1678].text 剛剛有提到彈性公視,因為彈性公視
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transcript.whisperx[1681].text 可以讓勞工他們在工作的
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transcript.whisperx[1682].text 層次會
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transcript.whisperx[1684].text 以緩解那個身心的壓力
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transcript.whisperx[1685].text 那當然,最後當然也是要
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transcript.whisperx[1686].text 肯定勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[1687].text 我們這個政府這邊就是對於
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transcript.whisperx[1689].text 然後雇主
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transcript.whisperx[1690].text 國家願意補助給雇主這一天的
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transcript.whisperx[1692].text 只是我們會覺得說法有明文規定
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transcript.whisperx[1693].text 會有一個法律依據會比較好
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transcript.whisperx[1696].text 講嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[1697].text 我覺得我們還是需要把
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transcript.whisperx[1698].text 其實有一些概念
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transcript.whisperx[1699].text 其實現在大家講到十二歲的原因
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transcript.whisperx[1700].text 是因為
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transcript.whisperx[1701].text 台北市政府目前的減少工時的制度
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transcript.whisperx[1702].text 也是到
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transcript.whisperx[1703].text 十二歲
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transcript.whisperx[1704].text 所以大家會有講到十二歲的原因
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transcript.whisperx[1705].text 但是台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[1706].text 的制度它一樣
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transcript.whisperx[1707].text 也是要勞資
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transcript.whisperx[1708].text 合意,它一樣不是
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transcript.whisperx[1709].text 強制性的
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transcript.whisperx[1710].text 但是現在我們在
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transcript.whisperx[1711].text 目前的
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transcript.whisperx[1712].text 信公法十九條的條文
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transcript.whisperx[1713].text 它是一個強制性的條文
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transcript.whisperx[1714].text 那它是不得請求
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transcript.whisperx[1715].text 工資,然後三歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[1716].text 是一個強制性的條文
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transcript.whisperx[1717].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[1718].text 我們是認為
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transcript.whisperx[1719].text 真的是不要去動
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transcript.whisperx[1720].text 這個十九條,因為這個十九條
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transcript.whisperx[1721].text 一動
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transcript.whisperx[1722].text 我們真的跟很多的人質
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transcript.whisperx[1724].text 這一條
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transcript.whisperx[1725].text 真的是會讓他們的工作
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transcript.whisperx[1726].text 排班
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transcript.whisperx[1727].text 如果是不得拒絕,就是如果是
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transcript.whisperx[1728].text 強制性的不得拒絕的話
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transcript.whisperx[1729].text 其實真的會非常非常的
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transcript.whisperx[1730].text 困難,這也是為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1731].text 我們很願意用一個
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transcript.whisperx[1733].text 然後是要勞資合意,我們的工作
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transcript.whisperx[1734].text 我知道大家會說它是勞資合意
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transcript.whisperx[1735].text 可是我們為什麼提出獎勵,就是要讓
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transcript.whisperx[1736].text 這個合意的門檻降低
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transcript.whisperx[1738].text 勞資合意沒有錯,你要考量各個
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transcript.whisperx[1739].text 工作現場的樣態
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transcript.whisperx[1740].text 可是我們提出補助計畫
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transcript.whisperx[1741].text 獎勵計畫就是希望讓這個合意的
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transcript.whisperx[1742].text 門檻給降低
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transcript.whisperx[1743].text 讓它更有可能,讓這個合意更有可能
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transcript.whisperx[1744].text 發生,那我們在一段時間
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transcript.whisperx[1745].text 去來累積這個數據
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transcript.whisperx[1746].text 企業的樣態、職場的樣態後
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transcript.whisperx[1747].text 未來有沒有機會透過一個
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transcript.whisperx[1749].text 不得拒絕
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transcript.whisperx[1750].text 這個,真的在這個階段
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transcript.whisperx[1751].text 是很困難
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transcript.whisperx[1752].text 的事情,所以我們是真的很希望說
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transcript.whisperx[1753].text 是不是可以在19條或19之一
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transcript.whisperx[1754].text 是現在可以先就是說
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transcript.whisperx[1755].text 不要來更動
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transcript.whisperx[1756].text 然後19之一可以不予
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transcript.whisperx[1757].text 增訂
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transcript.whisperx[1758].text 所以19條
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transcript.whisperx[1759].text 維持現行條文
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transcript.whisperx[1760].text 有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[1761].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[1762].text 那我們就19條
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transcript.whisperx[1764].text 19之一不予
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transcript.whisperx[1766].text 所以19之一不予增訂
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transcript.whisperx[1767].text 好,那我們就
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transcript.whisperx[1768].text 只好有進展
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transcript.whisperx[1769].text 接下來第三主題
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transcript.whisperx[1770].text 為家庭照顧教相關議題
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transcript.whisperx[1771].text 對,有講
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transcript.whisperx[1773].text 不修
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transcript.whisperx[1774].text 不修啊,對
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transcript.whisperx[1775].text 有疑問嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1776].text 來
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transcript.whisperx[1777].text 19
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transcript.whisperx[1779].text 然後19之一不予增訂
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transcript.whisperx[1780].text 這樣我念的中文,有清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1781].text 我們應該近期會跟
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transcript.whisperx[1782].text 縣跟地方政府討論
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transcript.whisperx[1783].text 我們應該
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transcript.whisperx[1784].text 11月
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transcript.whisperx[1785].text 11月
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transcript.whisperx[1786].text 我們應該會
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transcript.whisperx[1787].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[1788].text 好,玉明委員
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transcript.whisperx[1789].text OK,好,那我們接下來
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transcript.whisperx[1790].text 第三主題為家庭照顧
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transcript.whisperx[1791].text 價相關議題
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transcript.whisperx[1792].text 進
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transcript.whisperx[1793].text 委員敘舊性別平等
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transcript.whisperx[1794].text 工作法第20條
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transcript.whisperx[1795].text 就業保險法第10
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transcript.whisperx[1796].text 32、33之一條
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transcript.whisperx[1797].text 我們就先進行寫上
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transcript.whisperx[1798].text 那請勞動部做說明
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transcript.whisperx[1799].text 好,我們先跟大家
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transcript.whisperx[1802].text 的部分,我們也是很希望20條
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transcript.whisperx[1803].text 是可以
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transcript.whisperx[1805].text 原因很簡單
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transcript.whisperx[1806].text 就是大家現在這一波,我們希望能夠
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transcript.whisperx[1810].text 其實我們現在在
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transcript.whisperx[1811].text 育兒假裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1812].text 其實就給大家,以單日勤
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transcript.whisperx[1813].text 會有一個蠻大的空間
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transcript.whisperx[1814].text 甚至這個育兒假,也是一個
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transcript.whisperx[1816].text 至少有八成的薪水
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transcript.whisperx[1817].text 的育兒假,所以
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transcript.whisperx[1819].text 這個需求上面
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transcript.whisperx[1823].text 的部分可以先不要來做
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transcript.whisperx[1824].text 調整,這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1825].text 我再補充,剛剛
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transcript.whisperx[1826].text 因為前面有在討論
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transcript.whisperx[1827].text 民眾黨團,有在討論那個
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transcript.whisperx[1828].text 親職教育假的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1829].text 如果民眾黨團願意
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transcript.whisperx[1830].text 我們是願意
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transcript.whisperx[1831].text 把學校的
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transcript.whisperx[1832].text 活動,這些事情
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transcript.whisperx[1834].text 假的使用的範圍裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1835].text 我們願意
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transcript.whisperx[1836].text 這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1837].text 我們願意
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transcript.whisperx[1838].text 把他放到家庭照顧假的
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transcript.whisperx[1839].text 使用範圍裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1840].text 但是因為真的家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1841].text 如果要讓他變成有薪的家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1842].text 的話,他的難處
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transcript.whisperx[1843].text 是在於平均請一天的
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transcript.whisperx[1844].text 家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1845].text 全台灣家庭照顧假可以請的範圍
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transcript.whisperx[1846].text 非常非常的寬
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transcript.whisperx[1847].text 平均請一天的家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1848].text 按照我們的計算
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transcript.whisperx[1849].text 會是要補助
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transcript.whisperx[1850].text 130
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transcript.whisperx[1851].text 如果平均請三天
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transcript.whisperx[1852].text 老公平均請三天
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transcript.whisperx[1853].text 在補助上面就是要
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transcript.whisperx[1854].text 400億
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transcript.whisperx[1855].text 我們認為這個在財務上
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transcript.whisperx[1856].text 的可行性是相對低的
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transcript.whisperx[1857].text 這也是為什麼我們會希望
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transcript.whisperx[1858].text 能夠用育兒假
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transcript.whisperx[1859].text 而且有薪的育兒假的方式
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transcript.whisperx[1860].text 來去支應
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transcript.whisperx[1861].text 勞工家長們
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transcript.whisperx[1862].text 在照顧小孩的需求
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transcript.whisperx[1863].text 所以我們希望20條也是能夠爭取
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transcript.whisperx[1864].text 先不予修訂
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transcript.whisperx[1865].text 委員有沒有意見
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transcript.whisperx[1866].text 秋月如委員
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transcript.whisperx[1867].text 你覺得家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1868].text 16條之2
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transcript.whisperx[1869].text 16條之2
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transcript.whisperx[1870].text 親子教育假
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transcript.whisperx[1871].text 如果是要跟16條之1
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transcript.whisperx[1872].text 合併是育兒假
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transcript.whisperx[1873].text 可是那個天花板又到9歲
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transcript.whisperx[1874].text 那當部長這邊有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[1875].text 那就往家庭照顧假的方向去
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transcript.whisperx[1876].text 可是家庭照顧假就是目前是
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transcript.whisperx[1877].text 無薪的我們覺得說對
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transcript.whisperx[1878].text 勞工的誘因也不高
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transcript.whisperx[1879].text 請假的誘因也不高
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transcript.whisperx[1880].text 所以是不是家庭照顧假這邊也可以
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transcript.whisperx[1881].text 有一些就是有薪水的一個
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transcript.whisperx[1882].text 相對應的指引
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transcript.whisperx[1883].text 是這樣子思考
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transcript.whisperx[1884].text 不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1885].text 對我們是這樣的思考
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transcript.whisperx[1886].text 我覺得我們這個可以討論
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transcript.whisperx[1887].text 我討論的意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[1888].text 就像我剛才說
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transcript.whisperx[1889].text 因為這真的會考慮財務上的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[1891].text 我們今天如果討論家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1892].text 以後要有薪水
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transcript.whisperx[1893].text 那這個薪水不拖就兩個地方來源
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transcript.whisperx[1894].text 要嘛是企業付
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transcript.whisperx[1895].text 就是強制付薪水
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transcript.whisperx[1896].text 要嘛就是政府補
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transcript.whisperx[1897].text 可是如果是政府補的話
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transcript.whisperx[1898].text 平均一天就是134億
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transcript.whisperx[1899].text 這也是為什麼我們後來
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transcript.whisperx[1900].text 在育兒的這個需要
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transcript.whisperx[1901].text 需求的價別沒有往家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1902].text 去想的原因是因為他的財務
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transcript.whisperx[1903].text 上面的可行性真的
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transcript.whisperx[1904].text 低所以我們才用
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transcript.whisperx[1905].text 一個育兒假跟
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transcript.whisperx[1906].text 那個救保基金來去支應
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transcript.whisperx[1907].text 的邏輯來去支應他的
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transcript.whisperx[1908].text 薪水的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1909].text 這部分
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transcript.whisperx[1910].text 會是希望
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transcript.whisperx[1911].text 秋人這邊或民眾黨這邊
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transcript.whisperx[1912].text 其實也可以來去考慮這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[1913].text 主席那個
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transcript.whisperx[1914].text 因為我們可能對於
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transcript.whisperx[1915].text 那個部長的回應我們需要
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transcript.whisperx[1916].text 一點時間去思索
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transcript.whisperx[1917].text 那有沒有可能我們先從
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transcript.whisperx[1918].text 因為前會有點喬不攏
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transcript.whisperx[1919].text 有沒有可能先從第五個假開始
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transcript.whisperx[1920].text 產假開始
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transcript.whisperx[1921].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[1922].text 所以現在就要決定
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transcript.whisperx[1923].text 反正第一項
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transcript.whisperx[1924].text 也都沒那個
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transcript.whisperx[1925].text 有沒有其他委員
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transcript.whisperx[1926].text 針對於
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transcript.whisperx[1927].text 那個家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1928].text 在場的兩位委員
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transcript.whisperx[1929].text 因為剛剛勞動部的說明
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transcript.whisperx[1930].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[1931].text 所以我想問
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transcript.whisperx[1932].text 村民動亡以外
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transcript.whisperx[1933].text 兩位委員也是針對這個
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transcript.whisperx[1934].text 這個家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1935].text 我以前其實就一直爭取
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transcript.whisperx[1936].text 那剛剛部長
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transcript.whisperx[1937].text 講的那個數據我也完全理解
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transcript.whisperx[1938].text 就是我之前
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transcript.whisperx[1939].text 在上屆擔任立委的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1940].text 就已經有提出來過
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transcript.whisperx[1941].text 但是就是因為後來都卡到
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transcript.whisperx[1942].text 經費的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1943].text 的確就是有新的家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1944].text 就計算起來的成本的確是高的
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transcript.whisperx[1945].text 那我覺得這個議題
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transcript.whisperx[1946].text 可以持續討論
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transcript.whisperx[1947].text 但是那個經費的來源
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transcript.whisperx[1948].text 的確是可以再思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[1949].text 那當然我今天的討論
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transcript.whisperx[1950].text 我會比較專注在前面的第十六條
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transcript.whisperx[1951].text 我認為那個
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transcript.whisperx[1952].text 如果有擴大給家長
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transcript.whisperx[1953].text 更多的方便性跟彈性
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transcript.whisperx[1954].text 去請假而且是有新的
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transcript.whisperx[1955].text 那某種程度他有cover到
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transcript.whisperx[1956].text 至少這個
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transcript.whisperx[1957].text 低年級就是一二年級的
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transcript.whisperx[1958].text 他是有新的
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transcript.whisperx[1959].text 某種程度也是家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1960].text 也是育兒假也是親子假
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transcript.whisperx[1961].text 其實都可以涵蓋在前面了
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transcript.whisperx[1962].text 那現在原來我有提出版本
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transcript.whisperx[1963].text 這個家庭照顧假當然是希望說
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transcript.whisperx[1964].text 如果更好我們可以在往上
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transcript.whisperx[1965].text 提升但是剛剛部長提到的
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transcript.whisperx[1966].text 經費的問題我也都可以理解
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transcript.whisperx[1967].text 所以我想就是還是
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transcript.whisperx[1968].text 民眾黨一個就把
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transcript.whisperx[1969].text 大家剛剛提到是說用10
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transcript.whisperx[1970].text 過去事實上好現在用10
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transcript.whisperx[1971].text 我不會做單位這部分
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transcript.whisperx[1972].text 因為現在
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transcript.whisperx[1973].text 我們就有今年
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transcript.whisperx[1974].text 開始嘗試讓家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1975].text 可以用小10來請
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transcript.whisperx[1976].text 那這部分其實我目前
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transcript.whisperx[1977].text 聽到在業界其實
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transcript.whisperx[1978].text 好評都還算不錯
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transcript.whisperx[1979].text 但是當時我們是用解釋的方式
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transcript.whisperx[1980].text 如果大家也同意的話其實我們是可以把
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transcript.whisperx[1981].text 以小10來請這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[1982].text 把它放到母法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1983].text 那讓他也更有一個法源這部分
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transcript.whisperx[1984].text 我想我們是可以來
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transcript.whisperx[1985].text 也是無薪可是
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transcript.whisperx[1986].text 小10但是也因為比方說
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transcript.whisperx[1987].text 會有一些勞工他可能請
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transcript.whisperx[1988].text 一兩個小時
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transcript.whisperx[1989].text 那他突然有一個緊急的需求
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transcript.whisperx[1990].text 請一兩個小時所以對他來講
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transcript.whisperx[1991].text 可能這個
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transcript.whisperx[1992].text 收入上面的差別是比較還好的
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transcript.whisperx[1993].text 狀況這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1994].text 給家長更多的彈性
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transcript.whisperx[1995].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[1996].text 除了市價以外的多了一個家庭照顧假
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transcript.whisperx[1997].text 可以請
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transcript.whisperx[1998].text 用小10來請
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transcript.whisperx[1999].text 現在就已經有只是沒有小10
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transcript.whisperx[2000].text 現在是用解釋的方式
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transcript.whisperx[2001].text 讓他可以用小10
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transcript.whisperx[2002].text 但我們如果大家有共識的話我們也可以把
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transcript.whisperx[2004].text 也是可以的
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transcript.whisperx[2005].text 我覺得你們可以寫一個版本
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transcript.whisperx[2006].text 我覺得這讓他在母法裡面有彈性
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transcript.whisperx[2007].text 我們是可以考慮的
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transcript.whisperx[2008].text 就像
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transcript.whisperx[2009].text 因為至少過去
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transcript.whisperx[2010].text 一直在爭取可是現在目前
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transcript.whisperx[2012].text 在育兒假裡面已經鬆綁
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transcript.whisperx[2015].text 這邊的需求
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transcript.whisperx[2016].text 還是存在的至少
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transcript.whisperx[2017].text 育兒這塊比較大宗的都已經在育兒
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transcript.whisperx[2018].text 這樣好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2019].text 我們就來把
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transcript.whisperx[2022].text 可以更明確好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2062].text 父老家庭成員都可以用的
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transcript.whisperx[2063].text 父老家庭成員都可以用的
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transcript.whisperx[2064].text 喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔喔
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transcript.whisperx[2065].text 對 所以他很寬
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transcript.whisperx[2067].text 就是我跟委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[2068].text 我跟委員說明就是
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transcript.whisperx[2071].text 要照顧都可以使用
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transcript.whisperx[2073].text 他不是只有有小孩的才可以使用
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transcript.whisperx[2075].text 跟可使用的範圍就會很大
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transcript.whisperx[2076].text 所以他的財務一算上去就會很大
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transcript.whisperx[2080].text 所以委員我的意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[2081].text 我們就才把他放到育兒假的概念裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2082].text 去運用
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transcript.whisperx[2083].text 也因為這樣把他拉出育兒假的概念
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transcript.whisperx[2084].text 我懂部長的意思喔
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transcript.whisperx[2085].text 因為我們剛剛在十六條討論的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2086].text 其實你有講過嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2087].text 就是說那個第一年起的
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transcript.whisperx[2088].text 到未滿九歲
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transcript.whisperx[2089].text 現在育兒假我個人覺得十六條
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transcript.whisperx[2090].text 這個已經很好
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transcript.whisperx[2091].text 但是他其實坦白講是少了一點點就是那個
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transcript.whisperx[2092].text 十二歲以下中間
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transcript.whisperx[2094].text 那你本來沒有說
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transcript.whisperx[2097].text 之前新公法修的
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transcript.whisperx[2102].text 都算的
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transcript.whisperx[2110].text 可以給吧或是你剛剛講的按小時
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transcript.whisperx[2111].text 給的這樣的精神但不要
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transcript.whisperx[2112].text 輻射範圍那麼廣
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transcript.whisperx[2113].text 我的意思就是說在這裡面再多加
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transcript.whisperx[2114].text 一個是就是
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transcript.whisperx[2115].text 未滿家中有未滿
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transcript.whisperx[2116].text 十二歲小孩的
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transcript.whisperx[2117].text 你這樣子你就不會影響企業那麼多
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transcript.whisperx[2118].text 反正現在少子化也沒有那麼多
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transcript.whisperx[2119].text 可是可是如果是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[2120].text 的話其實他還是可以用家照價
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transcript.whisperx[2121].text 但是我覺得我們可能是先從
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transcript.whisperx[2122].text 一些數據上來看我的意思說
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transcript.whisperx[2123].text 我們現在的討論都還是需要
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transcript.whisperx[2124].text 一些數據支撐
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transcript.whisperx[2125].text 為什麼過去大家比較
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transcript.whisperx[2126].text 聚焦在
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transcript.whisperx[2127].text 拖陰
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transcript.whisperx[2128].text 到右
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transcript.whisperx[2129].text 到現在
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transcript.whisperx[2130].text 到八歲
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transcript.whisperx[2132].text 是因為這些比較小的小孩
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transcript.whisperx[2134].text 的狀況是真的比較多
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transcript.whisperx[2135].text 而且多很多的
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transcript.whisperx[2136].text 在我們很多的統計裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2137].text 其實小孩進到了小學
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transcript.whisperx[2138].text 甚至是兩二年級以後
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transcript.whisperx[2139].text 其實會需要
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transcript.whisperx[2140].text 的那個應對的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[2141].text 其實就降低
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transcript.whisperx[2142].text 很多所以我們
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transcript.whisperx[2143].text 降低很多是可以比較是用
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transcript.whisperx[2145].text 來去應對的那我現在我們的確
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transcript.whisperx[2146].text 是考慮說如果按照剛才講的話
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transcript.whisperx[2148].text 處理小朋友在
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transcript.whisperx[2150].text 那我們就把
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transcript.whisperx[2151].text 這樣的用途
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transcript.whisperx[2153].text 讓他擴大把
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transcript.whisperx[2154].text 這個小朋友的
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transcript.whisperx[2156].text 校園活動青絲會運動會
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transcript.whisperx[2157].text 等等等等的也把它放到這裡面來
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transcript.whisperx[2158].text 我們先做這一步好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2159].text 對但是因為你的
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transcript.whisperx[2160].text 總天數
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transcript.whisperx[2161].text 加上試駕就七天
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transcript.whisperx[2162].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[2164].text 的用途是希望可以擴大
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transcript.whisperx[2166].text 你之前有講一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[2167].text 給價不給薪
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transcript.whisperx[2168].text 因為沒有那麼龐大的經費
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transcript.whisperx[2171].text 家照價的名目就是這麼
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transcript.whisperx[2172].text 寬
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transcript.whisperx[2174].text 的名目就是這麼寬
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transcript.whisperx[2175].text 其實不容易把家照價
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transcript.whisperx[2176].text 對
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transcript.whisperx[2177].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[2178].text 因為這樣子感覺有修跟沒修是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2179].text 哈哈哈
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transcript.whisperx[2180].text 主席我可以請教發言
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transcript.whisperx[2181].text 王生區委員
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transcript.whisperx[2182].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2183].text 這個我對於
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transcript.whisperx[2184].text 如果要增加這個
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transcript.whisperx[2185].text 擇訂一小時為請假
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transcript.whisperx[2186].text 當然我個人其實是蠻贊同的
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transcript.whisperx[2187].text 因為我們以前都是以
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transcript.whisperx[2188].text 每一次的請假都是一天
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transcript.whisperx[2189].text 事實上他需要的時間並不到一天
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transcript.whisperx[2190].text 所以如果更有彈性的話
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transcript.whisperx[2192].text 勞工朋友當他們要請假的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2193].text 事實上是更有彈性
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transcript.whisperx[2194].text 他可以把這個七天
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transcript.whisperx[2195].text 好好地運用他不用只能夠
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transcript.whisperx[2197].text 那事實上可以請上半天
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transcript.whisperx[2198].text 下半天是一個小時兩個小時
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transcript.whisperx[2199].text 對他要去做一些
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transcript.whisperx[2201].text 事實上是很有幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[2202].text 剛剛王委員在提的就是
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transcript.whisperx[2204].text 好像是希望能夠從
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transcript.whisperx[2206].text 做一個訴求
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transcript.whisperx[2207].text 不過事實上我們這部的
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transcript.whisperx[2209].text 的內容的話已經也把
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transcript.whisperx[2210].text 這個需求含掛在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2211].text 這樣事實上是不會影響到
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transcript.whisperx[2213].text 修法的一個主要訴求
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transcript.whisperx[2214].text 不過這邊可不可以請那個
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transcript.whisperx[2215].text 衛福這邊有沒有辦法提供
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transcript.whisperx[2216].text 到底針對請這個假
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transcript.whisperx[2217].text 目前有沒有數據
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transcript.whisperx[2219].text 他們最需要這個假
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transcript.whisperx[2221].text 用在照顧這個12歲以下的話
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transcript.whisperx[2222].text 當然我們就認為
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transcript.whisperx[2223].text 去限縮他是合理
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transcript.whisperx[2225].text 限縮以後可能不是
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transcript.whisperx[2235].text 那我們現在是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2241].text 其實是很難解的
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transcript.whisperx[2242].text 財務上面
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transcript.whisperx[2243].text 假的數字上都很難解
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transcript.whisperx[2246].text 那錢的部分從那邊來
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transcript.whisperx[2247].text 那就數據上來看
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transcript.whisperx[2248].text 的確也是看到
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transcript.whisperx[2249].text 比較有需求的
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transcript.whisperx[2250].text 都是在
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transcript.whisperx[2252].text 就是這個還是回到
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transcript.whisperx[2253].text 數據因為真的蠻多家長跟我們說
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transcript.whisperx[2254].text 其實8歲
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transcript.whisperx[2255].text 就真的是
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transcript.whisperx[2256].text 低了
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transcript.whisperx[2257].text 所以我們還是回到一個這個實證的數據
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transcript.whisperx[2258].text 上面來看的話才覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[2259].text 好那如果大家需要的話我們拉到
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transcript.whisperx[2260].text 剛剛講育兒假的8歲
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transcript.whisperx[2261].text 就
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transcript.whisperx[2262].text 來處理這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[2263].text 那當然我們這部分剛剛已經討論很多了
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transcript.whisperx[2264].text 所以我們是覺得在
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transcript.whisperx[2265].text 可行行財務
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transcript.whisperx[2266].text 跟實際的實證
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transcript.whisperx[2267].text 方面綜合的來評估
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transcript.whisperx[2269].text 不然我家照假怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[2270].text 它都是它本質
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transcript.whisperx[2271].text 就是一個general很寬的東西
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transcript.whisperx[2272].text 在財務上各種來解都會
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transcript.whisperx[2273].text 遇到比較多的挑戰
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transcript.whisperx[2274].text 這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2275].text 所以我們是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2276].text 可不可以還是
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transcript.whisperx[2277].text 可以讓
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transcript.whisperx[2278].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[2280].text 剛剛講到
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transcript.whisperx[2281].text 一小時來請寫到20條裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2282].text 然後說明欄裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2283].text 我們也可以寫說如果因為
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transcript.whisperx[2285].text 親職活動等
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transcript.whisperx[2289].text 一點好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2296].text 所以我想爭取說可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[2306].text 譬如說20之1
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transcript.whisperx[2307].text 把你原來的這個概念
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transcript.whisperx[2308].text 這種學校的
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transcript.whisperx[2313].text 就是說因為家裡有
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transcript.whisperx[2315].text 這個是去彌補你
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transcript.whisperx[2317].text 你知道嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2343].text 所以他如果要在家居中
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transcript.whisperx[2344].text 其實就是供應他們的單位
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transcript.whisperx[2345].text 他沒有畫到線
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transcript.whisperx[2346].text 因為我現在在查線
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transcript.whisperx[2347].text 如果
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transcript.whisperx[2348].text 受僱者可以單配
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transcript.whisperx[2349].text 這還沒有下去
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transcript.whisperx[2350].text 那這邊是其實是
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transcript.whisperx[2354].text 沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[2356].text 現在
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transcript.whisperx[2357].text 現在的意思就是
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transcript.whisperx[2359].text 這個沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[2360].text 因為是勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[2362].text 現行的
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transcript.whisperx[2364].text 再加上我們要整齊的
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transcript.whisperx[2366].text 這也不會有問題
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transcript.whisperx[2367].text 等於是我們是爭取這塊而已
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transcript.whisperx[2371].text 勞動部也願意整齊到
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transcript.whisperx[2374].text 自然要的要多7天
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transcript.whisperx[2376].text 只是還沒修法
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transcript.whisperx[2491].text 以上所以我們
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transcript.whisperx[2504].text 這部分我們是確定的這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2531].text 替這些婦女同胞來爭取
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transcript.whisperx[2532].text 多7天的產檢假
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transcript.whisperx[2533].text 所以我們可能12週加現行的1週
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transcript.whisperx[2534].text 再多爭取1週
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transcript.whisperx[2535].text 其實整體而言就是14週
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transcript.whisperx[2536].text 那也能夠追上國際的潮流
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transcript.whisperx[2537].text 那爸爸的部分當然我們覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2538].text 7天的賠產檢假加產檢假
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transcript.whisperx[2539].text 7天不夠那想要提升到
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transcript.whisperx[2540].text 多7天那當然勞動部這邊
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transcript.whisperx[2541].text 提出的版本也是跟我們吻合的
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transcript.whisperx[2542].text 那請部長就是針對我們的剛那一種
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transcript.whisperx[2543].text 12加1加1變成14天
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transcript.whisperx[2544].text 追上國際潮流這個
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transcript.whisperx[2545].text 給我們一些回饋
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transcript.whisperx[2546].text 我覺得這邊
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transcript.whisperx[2547].text 我也同意剛剛講因為
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transcript.whisperx[2548].text 其他國家的做法
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transcript.whisperx[2549].text 是產檢假
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transcript.whisperx[2550].text 那我認為事實上是可以增加到3天
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transcript.whisperx[2551].text 因為就等於10天10天就是2週的概念
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transcript.whisperx[2552].text 不是所謂14天
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transcript.whisperx[2553].text 因為我們剛剛講
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transcript.whisperx[2554].text 因為如果符合剛剛講的那個
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transcript.whisperx[2555].text 產
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transcript.whisperx[2556].text 我們的產假本來好
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transcript.whisperx[2557].text 他12週我們希望14週
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transcript.whisperx[2558].text 那如果說產檢假的確
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transcript.whisperx[2559].text 產檢的整個
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transcript.whisperx[2560].text 的項目大概14次嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2561].text 所以我覺得如果增加這個的話
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transcript.whisperx[2562].text 那對於
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transcript.whisperx[2563].text 要產檢的人的那個需求
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transcript.whisperx[2564].text 也被滿足而且剛好也
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transcript.whisperx[2565].text 符合這樣子等於也是14週
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transcript.whisperx[2566].text 因為講週
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transcript.whisperx[2567].text 的話事實上6日是
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transcript.whisperx[2568].text 涵蓋的嘛可是如果是
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transcript.whisperx[2569].text 講天的話事實上是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[2570].text 那如果這樣也是
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transcript.whisperx[2571].text 14週以上我的意見
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transcript.whisperx[2572].text 是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[2573].text 因為我
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transcript.whisperx[2574].text 謝謝主席因為這幾天
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transcript.whisperx[2575].text 我有詢問很多提案的委員們
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transcript.whisperx[2576].text 本黨也有很多
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transcript.whisperx[2577].text 這個委員關心這樣子的意見
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transcript.whisperx[2578].text 那我剛剛上網查了一下
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transcript.whisperx[2579].text 其實有一個新的資訊
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transcript.whisperx[2580].text 是ILO他現在是
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transcript.whisperx[2581].text 建議大家至少
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transcript.whisperx[2582].text 14週而且ILO
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transcript.whisperx[2583].text 也開始統計世界上
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transcript.whisperx[2584].text 在實施16週的國家
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transcript.whisperx[2585].text 有哪一些
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transcript.whisperx[2586].text 所以這個
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transcript.whisperx[2587].text 並且是沒有含產檢的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2588].text 所以這個是
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transcript.whisperx[2589].text 現在國際的一個
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transcript.whisperx[2590].text 母性保護的基本的基準
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transcript.whisperx[2591].text 那我大概有兩個
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transcript.whisperx[2592].text 論點希望勞動部長官
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transcript.whisperx[2593].text 也可以
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transcript.whisperx[2594].text 考量進去
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transcript.whisperx[2595].text 第一個就是
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transcript.whisperx[2596].text 今年出生的人數
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transcript.whisperx[2597].text 可能初步
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transcript.whisperx[2598].text 估計9萬出頭
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transcript.whisperx[2599].text 這些人真的
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transcript.whisperx[2600].text 比起20年前10年前
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transcript.whisperx[2601].text 其實我們應該要
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transcript.whisperx[2602].text 鼓勵大家可以
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transcript.whisperx[2603].text 生更多才對不然我們這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2604].text 會沒有回頭路了
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transcript.whisperx[2605].text 我希望可以在母嬰的保健上
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transcript.whisperx[2606].text 盡量放寬並且
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transcript.whisperx[2607].text 體恤母親
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transcript.whisperx[2608].text 新生兒的照顧的時間所以
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transcript.whisperx[2609].text 我們很多委員還是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2610].text 就維持在14週這是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[2611].text 論點第二個論點是
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transcript.whisperx[2612].text 我們去統計了很多國家
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transcript.whisperx[2613].text 他們有去做產
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transcript.whisperx[2614].text 價的時間跟新生兒
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transcript.whisperx[2615].text 跟母親
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transcript.whisperx[2616].text 死亡率還有母親憂鬱的
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transcript.whisperx[2617].text 是成反比的也就是
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transcript.whisperx[2618].text 產價越長其實
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transcript.whisperx[2619].text 這個媽媽是身心
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transcript.whisperx[2620].text 包括心理健康都有
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transcript.whisperx[2621].text 休息的意義他的
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transcript.whisperx[2622].text 憂鬱症是降低的另外
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transcript.whisperx[2623].text 14週他可以
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transcript.whisperx[2624].text 讓他在前端新生兒
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transcript.whisperx[2625].text 施打疫苗比較平凡的
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transcript.whisperx[2626].text 期間他不會有遺漏
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transcript.whisperx[2627].text 疫苗所以新生兒死亡率
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transcript.whisperx[2628].text 也是比較低的那
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transcript.whisperx[2629].text 另外呢
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transcript.whisperx[2630].text 我去翻找了一些以前的提案
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transcript.whisperx[2631].text 這其實不是我們這屆
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transcript.whisperx[2632].text 出現的主張大概第
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transcript.whisperx[2633].text 十屆高價於委員就
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transcript.whisperx[2634].text 已經在提案說產價
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transcript.whisperx[2635].text 應該由8週改成14週
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transcript.whisperx[2636].text 連署的委員還包括
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transcript.whisperx[2637].text 張廖萬堅委員
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transcript.whisperx[2638].text 蘇巧慧邱益盈林俊憲
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transcript.whisperx[2639].text 王美慧劉世芳林楚英
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transcript.whisperx[2640].text 余天范雲周春敏
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transcript.whisperx[2641].text 吳思瑤莊瑞雄何志偉
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transcript.whisperx[2642].text 沈發慧賴品虞陳秀寶
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transcript.whisperx[2643].text 蔡依宇陳穎裡面非常非常多
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transcript.whisperx[2644].text 為大家現在聽到的
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transcript.whisperx[2645].text 也是要進駐現在的縣市長選舉
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transcript.whisperx[2646].text 所以我相信他們也希望
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transcript.whisperx[2647].text 可以跟選民兌現他們
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transcript.whisperx[2648].text 以前要為這些
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transcript.whisperx[2649].text 產價為這些產婦們
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transcript.whisperx[2650].text 奮鬥的這些
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transcript.whisperx[2651].text 以前的希望
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transcript.whisperx[2652].text 希望可以繼續延續下去
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transcript.whisperx[2653].text 那另外呢2014年的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2654].text 林淑芬委員也有提出
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transcript.whisperx[2655].text 延長到14週的一個
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transcript.whisperx[2656].text 修正動議
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transcript.whisperx[2657].text 那范雲委員更因為這個
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transcript.whisperx[2658].text 14週的國際標準
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transcript.whisperx[2659].text 有接受BBC的訪問
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transcript.whisperx[2660].text 所以這個是討論
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transcript.whisperx[2661].text 超過10年的一個很重要的議題
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transcript.whisperx[2662].text 因此
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transcript.whisperx[2663].text 本席還是主張可以
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transcript.whisperx[2664].text 維持產價14週
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transcript.whisperx[2665].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2666].text 勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[2668].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[2669].text 我們其實這段時間也跟幾個
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transcript.whisperx[2670].text 產價他有提過產價14週
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transcript.whisperx[2671].text 因為他去思考
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transcript.whisperx[2672].text ILO
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transcript.whisperx[2673].text 那我們也跟他說
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transcript.whisperx[2674].text 讓他知道說其實在定義上面的確
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transcript.whisperx[2675].text ILO他們提的這個
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transcript.whisperx[2676].text 產價的定義
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transcript.whisperx[2677].text 他們是從那個
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transcript.whisperx[2678].text 懷孕確定
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transcript.whisperx[2679].text 懷孕開始就開始計
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transcript.whisperx[2680].text 但我們的產價
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transcript.whisperx[2681].text 其實是那個
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transcript.whisperx[2682].text 是產前一個月
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transcript.whisperx[2683].text 到產後可以
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transcript.whisperx[2684].text 所以我們的確
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transcript.whisperx[2686].text 的定義跟ILO是有一點落差
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transcript.whisperx[2687].text 所以這是為什麼我們剛才說
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transcript.whisperx[2688].text ILO他的產價
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transcript.whisperx[2689].text 包括我們的產價加我們的產檢價
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transcript.whisperx[2690].text 那我想提一個方案
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transcript.whisperx[2691].text 有沒有一個方案大家剛剛其實提出
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transcript.whisperx[2692].text 我是認為一個折衷的方案
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transcript.whisperx[2693].text 如果我們的確
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transcript.whisperx[2695].text 去增加
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transcript.whisperx[2698].text 也提到說現在我們公費的產檢
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transcript.whisperx[2699].text 其實也變成可以14次了
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transcript.whisperx[2700].text 那公費產檢可以14次
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transcript.whisperx[2702].text 一定他都是請一整天
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transcript.whisperx[2703].text 食物上面他可能是請
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transcript.whisperx[2704].text 半天幾個小時
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transcript.whisperx[2705].text 所以我們其實現在也讓我們的產檢價
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transcript.whisperx[2706].text 是可以按
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transcript.whisperx[2708].text 可是即便是
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transcript.whisperx[2709].text 我知道即便是按小時半天來去請
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transcript.whisperx[2712].text 7天的產檢價真的
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transcript.whisperx[2713].text 不太夠
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transcript.whisperx[2714].text 我們有沒有一種可能 我的確想跟委員討論
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transcript.whisperx[2715].text 我們有從
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transcript.whisperx[2717].text 等於是產檢價加
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transcript.whisperx[2719].text 來去趨向
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transcript.whisperx[2722].text 用這個方法 那我也要跟
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transcript.whisperx[2723].text 委員說明其實台灣的產價
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transcript.whisperx[2725].text 方面是比國際
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transcript.whisperx[2726].text 都來得優渥的
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transcript.whisperx[2727].text 剛剛講ILO
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transcript.whisperx[2729].text 我們現在在看日本
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transcript.whisperx[2730].text 跟韓國
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transcript.whisperx[2731].text 他們的產價也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2732].text 他們是前面是全新
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transcript.whisperx[2734].text 可是我們的產價
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transcript.whisperx[2735].text 是全段
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transcript.whisperx[2736].text 都是全新的
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transcript.whisperx[2737].text 我們在薪水給的方面是
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transcript.whisperx[2740].text 我的確可以覺得可以討論
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transcript.whisperx[2742].text 來
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transcript.whisperx[2743].text 去補那個跟國際
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transcript.whisperx[2744].text 上面的一個落差 好
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transcript.whisperx[2745].text 所以我只想提一個
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transcript.whisperx[2746].text 事情說因為上禮拜有幾個
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transcript.whisperx[2747].text 婦女團體跟
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transcript.whisperx[2748].text 托育團體有出來開
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transcript.whisperx[2749].text 記者會 他們也提醒說
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transcript.whisperx[2750].text 其實也要注意到一些
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transcript.whisperx[2753].text 因為差別太大的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2754].text 有的時候也會造成隱形的就業
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transcript.whisperx[2755].text 歧視的問題就是說可能
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transcript.whisperx[2757].text 女性她因為她要請的這個價比較多
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transcript.whisperx[2758].text 所以如果我們把這些綜合的
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transcript.whisperx[2759].text 因素全部都考慮進來的話
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transcript.whisperx[2761].text 有沒有一種可能比方我們確實來
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transcript.whisperx[2764].text 有講到然後月琴委員
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transcript.whisperx[2765].text 有講到我有看到有些委員有提出
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transcript.whisperx[2767].text 所以就是12週的產價
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transcript.whisperx[2768].text 加上一個增加的
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transcript.whisperx[2771].text 我們是希望說能不能從這個角度
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transcript.whisperx[2772].text 來看 但是這些所有的
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transcript.whisperx[2774].text 他的薪水都是給全新的
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transcript.whisperx[2775].text 都是給全新的
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transcript.whisperx[2776].text 甚至多出來的都是由政府來
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transcript.whisperx[2777].text 補貼的
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transcript.whisperx[2783].text 所以其實一週比較像是
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transcript.whisperx[2784].text 五天的工作天
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transcript.whisperx[2785].text 加上力修
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transcript.whisperx[2790].text 如果我們用這個概念去得出
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transcript.whisperx[2791].text 要14週完整的話
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transcript.whisperx[2792].text 其實比較像是
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transcript.whisperx[2793].text 12週的產檢價
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transcript.whisperx[2795].text 加上
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transcript.whisperx[2796].text 10個工作天的
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transcript.whisperx[2797].text 10個工作天的
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transcript.whisperx[2801].text 產檢價是不能cover力修的
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transcript.whisperx[2805].text 他是覆蓋力修的
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transcript.whisperx[2806].text 所以他不是只跟著工作天
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transcript.whisperx[2807].text 但是產檢價是只能針對工作天的
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transcript.whisperx[2808].text 不能針對力修的
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transcript.whisperx[2809].text 所以我是有沒有一種可能可以提出來
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transcript.whisperx[2810].text 就是說假設就是12週的
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transcript.whisperx[2812].text 加上10天的
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transcript.whisperx[2813].text 產檢價 增加3天
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transcript.whisperx[2814].text 那我們一樣讓他都是可以全新
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transcript.whisperx[2815].text 都是可以半天請
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transcript.whisperx[2816].text 或者是小按小時請
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transcript.whisperx[2818].text 如果他產檢沒有
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transcript.whisperx[2819].text 把它使用完畢的話
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transcript.whisperx[2820].text 因為有些人他產檢
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transcript.whisperx[2821].text 價不一定會使用完
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transcript.whisperx[2822].text 現在產檢價只要在他認成當日
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transcript.whisperx[2824].text 其實他要產檢
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transcript.whisperx[2825].text 上次委員討論的生產需要的
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transcript.whisperx[2826].text 生產需要的
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transcript.whisperx[2828].text 等等
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transcript.whisperx[2829].text 我們現在是在思考
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transcript.whisperx[2830].text 因為上次很多委員
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transcript.whisperx[2831].text 有提出一個議題
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transcript.whisperx[2832].text 就是我們現在的產檢價
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transcript.whisperx[2833].text 是比較針對
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transcript.whisperx[2834].text 醫療性的使用
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transcript.whisperx[2835].text 醫療性的檢查可以用
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transcript.whisperx[2836].text 民間有一些團體他也提出
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transcript.whisperx[2837].text 有一些產檢價是不是其實
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transcript.whisperx[2838].text 也可以用在一些比較學習性的
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transcript.whisperx[2839].text 使用上面課程的使用上
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transcript.whisperx[2840].text 讓他有更廣泛的用途
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transcript.whisperx[2841].text 那我們是不是
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transcript.whisperx[2842].text 就是把等於是現在就讓
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transcript.whisperx[2843].text 產檢價跟產價是綜合計算
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transcript.whisperx[2844].text 去趨近國際的14週我們
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transcript.whisperx[2845].text 朝向這個方式來設計我們的
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transcript.whisperx[2846].text 制度好不好這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[2847].text 那剛剛今天我有問的
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transcript.whisperx[2848].text 問題是說如果他前面
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transcript.whisperx[2849].text 產檢價可能
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transcript.whisperx[2850].text 譬如說差個一天
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transcript.whisperx[2851].text 兩天他沒有真正使用完畢
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transcript.whisperx[2852].text 但是他可能產後他比較
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transcript.whisperx[2853].text 需要他想要多休息
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transcript.whisperx[2854].text 我的意思就是說有沒有可能把他合併
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transcript.whisperx[2855].text 既然部長剛剛說你跟
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transcript.whisperx[2856].text 國際組織他的
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transcript.whisperx[2857].text 他的概念是從產前
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transcript.whisperx[2858].text 然後一直到產後
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transcript.whisperx[2859].text 他就是一個完整的14週
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transcript.whisperx[2860].text 那如果這樣子的話我們
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transcript.whisperx[2861].text 可不可以就是從
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transcript.whisperx[2862].text 他產前
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transcript.whisperx[2863].text 開始計算
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transcript.whisperx[2864].text 14週你懂我意思嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2865].text 對他可以在那個時段裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2866].text 像我就無預警的
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transcript.whisperx[2867].text 就早產了
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transcript.whisperx[2868].text 提早4週生小孩
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transcript.whisperx[2869].text 我根本就產檢價
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transcript.whisperx[2870].text 根本就用不完
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transcript.whisperx[2871].text 這樣可以
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transcript.whisperx[2872].text 就把它變成一個我從你
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transcript.whisperx[2873].text 懷孕開始
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transcript.whisperx[2875].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[2876].text 因為現在已經
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transcript.whisperx[2877].text 超過兩點了
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transcript.whisperx[2878].text 那我想說
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transcript.whisperx[2879].text 是不是就
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transcript.whisperx[2880].text 我也同意
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transcript.whisperx[2883].text 所謂的產價也是合併
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transcript.whisperx[2884].text 產檢價的話那乾脆兩個合併
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transcript.whisperx[2885].text 然後讓那個寬容度更大
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transcript.whisperx[2886].text 反正你經費也算過了
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transcript.whisperx[2887].text 算過這經費事實上是
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transcript.whisperx[2888].text 是可承擔的
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transcript.whisperx[2890].text 我們來思考一下就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2891].text 假設我們確認
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transcript.whisperx[2892].text 現在我們會我們這次協商就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2895].text 讓他在使用上面的用途
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transcript.whisperx[2896].text 或者是假如你剛剛委員
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transcript.whisperx[2897].text 的意思說如果沒用完可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[2898].text 可以
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transcript.whisperx[2899].text 但是這個在
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transcript.whisperx[2900].text 文字上面法案上面要怎麼處理
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transcript.whisperx[2901].text 或者是有限制
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transcript.whisperx[2902].text 我們研議一下這件事情好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2903].text 可是我是希望說我們這樣用這個方向
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transcript.whisperx[2904].text 因為剛剛不管是民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[2905].text 邱委員各黨其實都提了
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transcript.whisperx[2906].text 這樣的概念我覺得我們是願意
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transcript.whisperx[2907].text 來回應我們也看到有一些委員
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transcript.whisperx[2908].text 有這樣的版本那我們願意朝向
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transcript.whisperx[2909].text 這個方式包括剛才岳勤委員其實
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transcript.whisperx[2910].text 也提到我們願意朝向這個方式
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transcript.whisperx[2911].text 來思考跟
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transcript.whisperx[2912].text 回應好不好
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transcript.whisperx[2913].text 好
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transcript.whisperx[2914].text 所以信奉法第
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transcript.whisperx[2915].text 十五條也先行保留
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transcript.whisperx[2916].text 那我覺得請行政
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transcript.whisperx[2917].text 機關回去
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transcript.whisperx[2918].text 針對我及其他委員意見
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transcript.whisperx[2919].text 加強研定更好的方案
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transcript.whisperx[2920].text 好下次討論
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transcript.whisperx[2921].text 不過也要拜託我們的邱委員不好意思你辛苦了
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transcript.whisperx[2922].text 那請你回去
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transcript.whisperx[2923].text 跟我們的
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transcript.whisperx[2924].text 剛才我們這個意見
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transcript.whisperx[2925].text 帶回去溝通
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transcript.whisperx[2926].text 那我希望下次
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transcript.whisperx[2927].text 真的在這個
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transcript.whisperx[2928].text 協商的會議裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2929].text 要有進度否則的話會變成
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transcript.whisperx[2931].text 一直來講同一句話說
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transcript.whisperx[2932].text 民眾黨根本沒有公視
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transcript.whisperx[2933].text 十九條就是進度啦
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transcript.whisperx[2934].text 可是我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2935].text 因為今天還是這麼多的
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transcript.whisperx[2936].text 部會的人來
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transcript.whisperx[2937].text 因為每個行
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transcript.whisperx[2938].text 我覺得公務人員都非常忙
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transcript.whisperx[2939].text 他們回去面對有很多的事情
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transcript.whisperx[2940].text 要做我覺得盡量能夠一次
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transcript.whisperx[2941].text 解決的事情不要造成
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transcript.whisperx[2942].text 人家在
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transcript.whisperx[2943].text 他們工作上
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transcript.whisperx[2944].text 的困擾
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transcript.whisperx[2945].text 所以希望下次
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transcript.whisperx[2946].text 那要拜託你這邊
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transcript.whisperx[2947].end 9224.24
transcript.whisperx[2947].text 回去溝通這樣子才會讓進度可以快一點
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transcript.whisperx[2948].text 還有很多家庭
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transcript.whisperx[2949].text 我要再次提醒
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transcript.whisperx[2950].text 很多年輕的夫婦
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transcript.whisperx[2951].text 他們事實上是等著這個法條通過之後
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transcript.whisperx[2952].text 可以來試用甚至他們都一直覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[2953].text 可不可以往
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transcript.whisperx[2954].text 前如果你們現在
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transcript.whisperx[2955].text 還在討論可是我們現在就很需要可是你們現在
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transcript.whisperx[2956].text 一直吃吃沒那到時候
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transcript.whisperx[2957].text 法條通過之後是不是可以往前
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transcript.whisperx[2958].text 追溯啦所以要拜託
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transcript.whisperx[2959].text 那本法案相關
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transcript.whisperx[2960].text 保留條文三位處理完畢
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transcript.whisperx[2961].text 那我們哲琪繼續
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transcript.whisperx[2962].text 主席謝謝你的教誨
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transcript.whisperx[2963].text 我們真的有真的講教誨
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transcript.whisperx[2964].text 我不敢教誨
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transcript.whisperx[2965].text 我們真的很努力的在為大家
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transcript.whisperx[2966].text 爭取權益謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2967].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2968].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2969].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2970].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2971].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2976].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2977].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2979].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[2981].text 謝謝大家