| IVOD_ID |
17717 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17717 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-6-2 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-06T08:29:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-06T16:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:51:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-10-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第6會期第2次會議（事由：對行政院院長施政報告進行質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:58 - 16:21:00 |
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報告會現在繼續開會 |
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對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢 |
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在進行質詢之前 |
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先請秘書長報告 部會首長請假情形 |
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報告院會行政院來函 |
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林政務委員明星下午應試請假 |
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馬政務委員永成上午應病請假 |
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外交部林部長佳龍本日應公請假 |
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由吳次長至中代表列席 |
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運動部李部長楊上午應公請假 |
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由黃次長起房代表列席 |
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國家科學及技術委員會吳主任委員陳雯 |
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上午應公請假 |
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由張副主任委員鄭豪代表列席 |
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報告完畢 |
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現在請委員配譯質詢 |
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謝謝主席 |
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我請行政院左榮泰院長 |
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請左院長配詢 |
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吳委好 |
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院長好 |
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這個我們社會上很多的年輕人 |
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1923.34 |
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都在關心一件事情 |
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就是居住正義 |
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1927.1 |
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那居住正義它包含許多 |
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例如過去幾年 |
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1932.22 |
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我們中央政府大力推動的這個租金的補貼 |
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1935.02 |
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其實給了很多年輕人很大的幫助 |
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1935.02 |
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1935.78 |
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那另外呢 |
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1935.78 |
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1938.1 |
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社會住宅的新辦 |
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1938.1 |
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1941.82 |
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他對於平價租屋也是有很大的幫助 |
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1941.82 |
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1944.06 |
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所以大家很關注的是 |
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1946.1 |
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我們賴清德總統上任的時候 |
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1946.14 |
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1947.58 |
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曾經有提出說 |
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1947.58 |
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1948.46 |
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8年任內 |
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1948.46 |
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1951.66 |
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我們希望可以達到25萬戶住宅 |
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1951.66 |
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1954.42 |
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這樣子社會住宅這樣子的目標 |
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1954.42 |
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1955.54 |
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那其中呢 |
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1955.54 |
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1957.14 |
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新辦的社會住宅 |
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1957.14 |
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1959.74 |
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我們希望可以達到13萬戶 |
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1959.74 |
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1960.26 |
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這個 |
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1961.1 |
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1962.26 |
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這個進度呢 |
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1962.26 |
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1964.74 |
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能不能請院長來跟我們說明一下 |
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1964.74 |
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1966.58 |
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我們目前如何來去規劃 |
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1967.4 |
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1968.24 |
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好包括 |
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1969.38 |
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1970.94 |
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我們自己新辦的 |
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1970.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1971.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
社宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1972.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
還有包租代管 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1974.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1975.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
還有租屋補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1975.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
這三項我們合計起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1977.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1980.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
希望能夠達到百萬的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1980.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1981.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
那其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1981.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1982.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
自行新辦的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1983.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1984.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
賴總統是曾 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1985.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1987.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
之前蔡總統延續下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1987.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1989 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
那希望在賴總統的任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1989 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1991.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
能夠增加13萬戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1991.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1993.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那這個目標沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1993.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1996.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我們現在正在累積過去到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1996.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
已經在發包施工的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1998.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1999.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
大概有3萬戶左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2000.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2000.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2000.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我們會用其他多元的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2003.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
比方說跟民間 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2005.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2007 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
大規模的來取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2007 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2010.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
或是提供更多的容積的獎勵等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2010.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
那麼不只由政府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2012.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2013.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
這個公務的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2013.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2017.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
或是公家的這個經費來從事 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2017.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2018.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
而希望能夠結合民間 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2018.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2020.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
這樣效率能夠更快 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2020.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2021.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
速度能夠更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2021.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2022.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
數量也能夠更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2022.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2024.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
所以這個部分的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2024.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
我們沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2025.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2028.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
原來新辦13萬戶的這個最終目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2032.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
因為確實我們在要去新建 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2032.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2035.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
就新的要蓋新的社會住宅的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2035.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
常常遇到比較大的困難是 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2037.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2038.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這個土地的區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2038.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2040.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
哪裡找得到地呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2040.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2041.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
確實是比較大的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2041.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
所以大家有時候會擔心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2043.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2044.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
那如果我們找不到地 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2044.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2046.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
或是地不好找 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2046.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2047.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
會不會就 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2047.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2049.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
沒有辦法去蓋新的住宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2049.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2050.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那所以我們也很努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2050.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
透過多元的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2053.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
例如包租代管是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2053.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
然後或是說現在有新建的 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2055.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2056.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
例如說都更 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2056.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2058.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
危老的分回也是一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2058.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2062.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
所以目前光是新辦的社會住宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2062.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2063.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
13萬戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2063.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2064.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
仍然是我們設定的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2064.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2065.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2066.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2066.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2068.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那這個部分就要拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2068.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2069.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
也拜託部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2069.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2072.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
是我們可以持續的往這個目標來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2072.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2073.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
那另外在我的選區 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2073.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2075.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
中正萬華區 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2075.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2077.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
過去國防部在這裡有一塊土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2077.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2079.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
叫做9號基地 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2079.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2082.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
那由內政部的這個國駐都中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2082.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2083.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
這個我今天就請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2083.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2085.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
內政部的這個國駐都中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2085.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2087.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2090.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2091.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
郭部長可以請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2091.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2092.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2092.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2093.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2093.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
這個過去從林昌州委員任內的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2095.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2096.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
就很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2096.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2098.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
那土地雖然是國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2098.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2100.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
但是目前由內政部來核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2100.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2101.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
來新建社宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2101.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2104.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
由國駐都中心來去規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2104.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2107.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
那我從我2024年進到立法院來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2107.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2108.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
所以謝謝內政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2108.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
2110.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
也謝謝駐都中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2110.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2112.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
多次的來到我們的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
2112.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2114.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
跟社區進行討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
2114.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2115.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
那因為在這裡要 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2115.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2117.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我們要用這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2117.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2119.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
多根的方式來去蓋社宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
2119.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2121.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那必須要跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2121.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2122.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2122.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2124.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
也要透過台北市政府的都審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2124.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2125.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
審查通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2125.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2126.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
才能夠來新建 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2126.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2128.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
過去在談的當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2128.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我遇到了一些狀況跟困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
2130.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
能不能請這個院長或是部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2133.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
能不能向我們說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2133.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2134.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
目前的進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2134.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2137.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那我們什麼時候有辦法來去送建 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2137.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2139.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
因為這是大家非常關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2139.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2140.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
報告吳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
2140.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
吳委員從這個民意代表的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
就非常關心這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2146.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那我先跟我吳委員講一個比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
2147.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
就是說我們在9月22的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2152.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
已經把這個評估報告給台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2152.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2153.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
那未來台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2153.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
如果他要用公辦的都更的方式的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2159.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
我們也可以分回取得一部分的社會住宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2159.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2163.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
那這個很符合現在賴總統跟蔡總統以前程序下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2163.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2166.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
就是說未來我們要辦理這個社會住宅新建的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2166.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2168.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
以多元取得為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2168.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
那如果有這個公辦都更的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2170.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2171.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
在土地的取得上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2171.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2174.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
就不用再從原來完全樹地上面取得 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2174.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2176.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
這是一個很好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2176.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2179.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
那後續我們會再督促台北市的這個都更處 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2179.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2183.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
如果他們願意在明年可以辦理招標新建的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2183.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2186.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
包括這個分回社宅的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2186.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2190.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
可能在容積獎勵上面的這個國家住宅中心這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2190.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2191.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
或者是國土署這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2191.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2194.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
或是國防部可以取得一半的社會住宅 |
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這部分我就要拜託部長拜託內政部 |
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可以跟台北市政府再去再更積極的來進行協調 |
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因為以我所知像過去我們光是這個在這個地上 |
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本來是還有地上物的 |
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因為這是過去我們這個榮卷的這個住宿 |
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我們光是要拆 |
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光是拆造跟台北市政府建管處 |
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在這個申請送件就拖了好幾個月 |
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2221.87 |
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那是我還要去拜託我們在地的議員 |
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2221.87 |
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來找市政府出來開協調會 |
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2224.23 |
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2226.19 |
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所以呢光是我們拆 |
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就是都長長時間都一再的去延宕 |
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2232.11 |
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那我們附近的鄰居大家真的很關心 |
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2232.11 |
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2234.55 |
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因為這一個九號基地委跟院長報告 |
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是從我小的時候 |
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2237.99 |
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大家就在聽說 |
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2237.99 |
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2241.07 |
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這個閒置的國防部在閒置在這裡的房舍 |
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2243.07 |
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有一天應該會拆掉 |
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2243.07 |
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2244.87 |
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那有一天應該會新建 |
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但是從我小的時候一直到現在 |
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我即將就要滿40歲了 |
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2250.31 |
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到現在 |
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2253.11 |
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他還才剛剛拆完而已 |
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2255.71 |
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所以呢這真的是要拜託院長 |
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2258.51 |
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我知道說這個很多是需要跟台北市政府來協調 |
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要拜託你們來去積極的溝通 |
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2260.75 |
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2262.75 |
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那有需要我們協助的地方 |
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2262.75 |
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2263.75 |
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我們也會盡力 |
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2265.31 |
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非常的希望在這個地方 |
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2265.31 |
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2268.23 |
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我們可以有一個這個新的活化的空間 |
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2268.23 |
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2270.15 |
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可以早日的讓居民看見 |
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2270.15 |
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2272.51 |
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報告委員我想您講得非常的正確 |
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2272.51 |
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2274.63 |
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其實我們在土地活用上面 |
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2274.63 |
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2277.35 |
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在公辦都更是一個可行的方向 |
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2279.39 |
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所以呢我們已經把都更危老條例 |
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2280.23 |
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在行政院通過 |
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這已經送到立法院過來 |
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包括未來在容積的獎勵上面 |
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或者是在權力變換上面 |
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2286.43 |
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2287.99 |
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怎麼樣讓原住戶 |
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2289.31 |
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或是未來的住戶 |
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2291.07 |
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可以得到雙贏的效果 |
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2292.67 |
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那也必須要修法 |
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2295.67 |
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來確定我們未來走的都更的方向 |
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2295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2297.59 |
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會比較這個順利一點 |
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2297.59 |
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2298.95 |
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那我們也會鼓勵 |
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2300.27 |
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願意參加都更的人 |
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2302.99 |
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可以取得第一統計的這個做權力變換 |
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2302.99 |
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2304.95 |
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那這個部分就要勞煩這個 |
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2304.95 |
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2306.35 |
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委員在立法院裡面 |
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2306.35 |
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2309.71 |
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能夠多多來督促推動這個都更條例的修正 |
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2311.51 |
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是好那接下來呢 |
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2313.55 |
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我要跟院長請教的是 |
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2313.55 |
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2317.07 |
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這個也是我們非常關心的是社會救助法 |
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2317.07 |
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2319.99 |
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那社會救助法從我進到立法院的第一年 |
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2319.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2322.87 |
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其實我就有提出來我的草案的版本 |
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2322.87 |
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2325.31 |
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那我們立法院的林月琴委員 |
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2325.31 |
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2327.67 |
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也已經有排案審查了 |
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2327.67 |
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2328.83 |
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但是呢 |
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2330.99 |
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包括我在內很多的委員 |
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2330.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2332.27 |
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還有很多的團體 |
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2332.27 |
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2333.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
其實一再的關切 |
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2333.39 |
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2335.67 |
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因為社救法其實在上個會期 |
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2335.67 |
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2337.99 |
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就是我們行政院的優先法案 |
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2337.99 |
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2339.03 |
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那一度呢 |
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2339.03 |
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2341.35 |
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我們有得到承諾說上個月 |
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2341.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
上個會期會送到立法院來這個審查 |
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2345.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2348.59 |
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那現在民間團體還在關心說 |
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2348.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2351.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
這個行政院什麼時候才會送案進來呢 |
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2351.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2353.83 |
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那我們第一個關切是進度 |
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2353.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2357.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
第二個是為什麼社救法的修法這麼的重要 |
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2357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2360.95 |
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因為我的選區在臺北市的萬華中正區 |
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2360.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
所以我們臺北市街有主要聚集的地方 |
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2363.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2365.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
一個是在臺北車站 |
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2365.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2367.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
一個是在龍山寺前面的蒙甲公園 |
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2367.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
正好都在我的選區 |
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2369.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2372.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
所以過去我們跟在地的這個社福團體 |
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2372.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2374.55 |
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還有地方的里長也都幫忙很多 |
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2374.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2379.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
長期的都是在關心這個無家者我們的救助 |
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2379.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2383.15 |
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因為他不是只有這個安置住宿而已 |
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2383.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2385.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
他還包括他生活重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
2385.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2388.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
怎麼樣能夠勞動部衛福部內政部 |
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2388.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2390.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
通通跨部會的都要進來 |
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2390.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
怎麼樣來可以協助他們可以早日的拖油 |
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2393.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2394.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
可以來獲得就業 |
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2394.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2398.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
甚至他在街頭上面需要的醫療健康等等這些的幫助 |
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2398.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2400.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
其實是需要跨部會的 |
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2400.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2404.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
所以在議法上面確實有需要做制度上面的修改 |
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2404.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2407.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
另外第二個是我要特別跟院長報告的是 |
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2407.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2412.27 |
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我們常遇到的狀況是這個地方政府之間的分工 |
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2412.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2414.87 |
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例如說在我們萬華這個街有 |
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2414.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2418.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
社會局調查起來有七成以上都是 |
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2418.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2422.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
臺北市以外的縣市的這個戶籍 |
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2422.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2425.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
來自於其他的縣市來到我們臺北 |
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2425.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2427.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
那麼他的這個街友的輔助 |
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2427.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2432.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這件事情究竟是他原戶籍地的縣市政府要來輔導 |
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2432.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2435.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
還是他現在所在地的臺北市政府 |
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2435.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2439.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
過去在縣市政府之間常常就發生了踢皮球的狀況 |
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2439.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2442.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
所以我們變成也這個部分我也要謝謝衛福部 |
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2442.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2445.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
剛進來的時候拜託衛福部召開了一個專案會議 |
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2445.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2448.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
就是邀請了臺北市新北市 |
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2448.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2451.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
還有甚至桃園跟基隆的社會局一起來討論 |
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2451.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2455.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
就是就我現在目前是所在我們臺北市 |
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2455.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2460.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
但真的是桃園或是基隆新北戶籍地的這些五家者 |
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2460.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2463.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
這請各縣市政府必須誰來做都好 |
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2463.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2464.75 |
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但是一定要有人來做 |
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2467.07 |
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因為我們現行的狀況就是這個法規 |
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2467.66 |
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2470.22 |
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不夠周全跟晚輩 |
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2470.26 |
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2474.06 |
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所以導致於很多需要幫助的他現在沒有辦法被接住 |
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2474.1 |
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2475.9 |
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所以這個部分第一個我想請教 |
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2475.94 |
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2478.7 |
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我們社會救助法的這個修法的草案 |
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2478.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2480.9 |
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這個會請會不會送到理法院來 |
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2480.94 |
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2484.1 |
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那裡面有沒有關於五家者輔助的專章 |
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2484.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2488.42 |
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好謝謝委員關心社會最弱勢的這一群朋友 |
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2488.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2491.26 |
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我們在未來社會救助法當中 |
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2491.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2493.5 |
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我們會把它證明它就是街友 |
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2493.54 |
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2496.02 |
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不會用其他的名聲來成功他們 |
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2496.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2497.1 |
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他們就是街友 |
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2497.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2501.26 |
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那因為今年8月上旬左右 |
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2501.3 |
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2503.82 |
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我也再度聽取了衛福部送來的報告 |
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2503.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2508.62 |
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那當中我們做了一些重要性的一些再度的商討 |
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2508.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2512.9 |
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那我知道要盡快的能夠讓大院能夠來審議這個工作 |
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2512.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2515.7 |
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所以我們除了名稱把它定位之外 |
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2515.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2518.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
另外對於人籍合一這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2518.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2520.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
也把它除開這樣的規定 |
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2520.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2523.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
以後不會再把它強硬規定一定要人籍合一 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2523.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2524.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
就鬆綁 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2526.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2527.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
人跟戶籍不在同一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2527.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2531.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
在當地政府應該可以受到一樣的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2531.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2535.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
另外就是我們也希望採取一個能夠階段性的脫貧 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2535.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2538.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
比方說你未來再進入到職場裡面的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2538.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2540.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
一定的時間不會把因為工作所得 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2540.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2545.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
就去傷害或是減緩或是取消你原來社會救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2545.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2547.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
給你的各項補助的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2547.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2551.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這樣鼓勵大家能夠進到一個正常社會工作的環境底下 |
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2551.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2552.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
去做努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2552.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2554.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
同時如果是學生畢業之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2554.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2555.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
也在一定的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2555.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2559.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你的收入所得也不會進入這樣的計算 |
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2559.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2563.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我們把它擴大整體是一個範圍時間對象等等 |
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2563.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2566.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
另外就是如何用多元的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2566.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2568.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
來協助這些進評的朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2568.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2572.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
我們除了金錢的補助等等之外 |
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2572.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2576.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
實務的協助也會把它列為一個重要的一環 |
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2576.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2578.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
所以我們已經請衛福部在大陸 |
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2579.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2582.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
大規模大方向的再做最後的確認 |
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2582.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2584.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
那是不是更細節的部分請 |
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2584.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2586.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
史務長來做簡要的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2586.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
好 謝謝委員的捶詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2588.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2589.9 |
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關於街友的部分 |
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2589.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2591.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
先說明在分工的部分 |
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2591.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2593.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
我們就把它明確的訂定 |
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2593.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2598.5 |
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服務就是它的居住地所在地的縣市政府來負責 |
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2598.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2602.14 |
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那麼福利的申請才有戶籍地 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2602.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2605.26 |
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但是未來在申請的時候就不需要人籍合一 |
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2605.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2606.78 |
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那麼都可以申請 |
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2606.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2608.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
所以這個是第一個 |
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2608.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2609.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
第二個在街友 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2609.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2613.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們未來社交法的修正之後 |
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2613.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2616.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
我們就會有一個街友的輔導辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2616.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
那麼讓他所需要的各項 |
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2618.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2622.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
不論是緊急輔助、醫療、服務、生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2622.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2623.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
支持、致力協助等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2623.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
都有一個統一的規範 |
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2625.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2629.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
讓各縣市也都能夠齊一來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2629.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2631.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那麼另外在這個 |
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2632.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2636.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
各項的計算加護所得 |
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2636.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2638.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
它的資格認定的部分 |
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2638.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2640.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那麼我們也會大幅的放寬 |
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2640.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2643.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
所以按照我們的估計 |
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2643.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2646.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
那麼我們符合照顧對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2646.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2649.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
會從現行的大概55萬 |
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2649.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2653.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
這個2.26%會大幅的提高到88萬人左右 |
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2654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
2656.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
大概在3.76% |
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2656.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
2658.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
所以這個也是我們 |
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2658.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
2660.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
這個社交法未來會擴大服務 |
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2660.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
2664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
那麼另外再有這個食物的服務專章 |
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2664.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
2666.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
這也是大家很關心的 |
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2666.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
2669.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
所以簡單的再跟委員再補充這幾點 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
2669.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
2670.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
好 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
2670.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
2672.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
因為我看到新聞有一個標 |
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2672.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
2675.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
他說這個團體憂慮 |
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2675.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
2679.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
這個衛福部的社救法的承諾跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
2679.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
2680.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
所以我想要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
2680.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
2682.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
我們這個會期社救法修法 |
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2682.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
2684.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
會不會送到立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
2684.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
2686.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
我們在做最後的整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
2686.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
2687.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
那麼還有一些這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
2687.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
2689.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
我要拜託一下 |
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2689.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
2691.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
真的已經等好多年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
2691.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
2692.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
那我知道有很多細節要討論 |
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2692.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
2695.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
請這個會期請儘速送進來 |
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2695.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
2697.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我們可以開始來進行審查好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
2697.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2698.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
那最後一點是 |
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2698.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
2699.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
因為我們即將要審查 |
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2699.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
2701.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
最佳預算6000億 |
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2701.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
2702.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我覺得非常重要 |
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2702.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2705.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
因為關於軍工教的專業加級 |
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2705.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2706.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
這個社會的人數 |
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2706.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
2708.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
大概有超過37萬人 |
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2708.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2709.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
將近40萬人 |
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2709.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
2711.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
我想請教一下這個院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
2711.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
2712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我們在這個教師裡面 |
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2712.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2713.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
這個代理教師 |
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2713.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
2717.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
有沒有納入這一波專業加級的對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
2717.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
2719.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
因為這個好多老師在關心 |
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2719.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
2722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
我們先調整的是導師職務加級 |
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2722.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
2725 |
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還有兼任及代課老師的終點費 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
2725.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
2728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
另外就是這個兼任行政工作的獎金 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
2728.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
2729.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
這幾個部分 |
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2729.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2732.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
我們已經都有明確的一個政策跟 |
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2732.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2734.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
至於代課老師部分 |
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2734.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
2736.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
還在請這個教育部 |
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2736.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
2740.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
能夠再跟地方政府也能夠多多的謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
2740.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
2741.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
好請部長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
2741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
2742.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
要 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
2742.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
2745.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
謝謝委員關心我們代理教師的一些權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
2745.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
2749.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
其實我們現在高級中等以下學校的 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
2749.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
2751.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
這個間待科代理老師的聘任辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
2751.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
2753.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
第16條就有規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
2753.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
2755.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
代理老師他的所有的這個代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
2755.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
2759.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
包含本薪加級跟獎金的資給 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
2759.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
2761.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
是比照專任老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
2761.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
2762.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
2762.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
2763.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
所以在這一波裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
2763.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
2765.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
所以這一次的一個專業的加級 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
2765.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
2768.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
他也是納進在裡面是比照的 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
2768.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
2769.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
對這個因為很多代理老師在關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
2769.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
2770.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
所以教育部請 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
2770.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
2771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
是沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
2771.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
2773.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
盡快的來去說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
2773.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
2774.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
所以也在我們這一波專業加級裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
2774.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
2775.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
2775.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
2777.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
因為台北市代理老師太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
2777.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
2778.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
那最後我要提醒的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
2778.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
2781.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
因為這一波也包含了大學附設醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
2781.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
2783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
但是附設醫院裡面有很多是勞基法人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
2783.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
2785.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
例如說馬最師附鑑師 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
2785.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
2788.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
他目前還沒有在我們的這個對象當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
2788.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
2790.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
那其實我覺得這個部分很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
2791 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
2794.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
能不能請院長來去幫忙去協調跟盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
2794.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
2797.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
就究竟我們在這一波大學附設醫院裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
2797.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
2799.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
有多少的這些勞基法人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
2799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
2800.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
有沒有機會來配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
2801 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
2804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
一起來加入這一波的專業加級的適用對象裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
2804.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
2806.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
大學裡面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
2806.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
2808.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
我想謝謝委員的一個關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
2808.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
2811.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
確實我們現在大學附設的 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
2811.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
2813.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
附設醫院這些勞基 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
2813.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
2814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
醫區勞基法的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
2814.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
2816.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
因為我們已經在跟台大 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
2816.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
2818.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
因為教育部所屬的台大 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
2818.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
2822.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
有這個成功大學跟陽明教大附設的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
2860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
2862.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
2863.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
2865.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
下一位我們請洪孟台委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
2889.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
2890.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
好 仔細謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
2890.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
2891.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
麻煩請總統台院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
2892.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
2894.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
請總院長回席 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
2904.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
2904.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
洪委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
2904.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
2905.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
院長好 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
2906.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
2909.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
2026年剩兩個多月的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
2909.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
2911.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
那過去四年 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
2911.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
2915.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我們年度台灣都會選出年度代表制 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
2915.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
2916.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
2022年 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
2916.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
2917.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
我們就回顧一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
2917.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
2919.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
2022年年度代表制是 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
2920.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
2921.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
您知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
2922.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
2925.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
萬物皆長 物價上漲的漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
2925.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
2929.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
2023年年度代表制是缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
2929.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
2931.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
缺水缺電的缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
2931.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
2934.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
2024年年度代表制叫貪 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
2934.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
2937.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
貪官枉法 貪官無理的貪 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
2937.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
2939.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
2025年叫做罷 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
2939.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
2940.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
大罷免大惡罷的罷 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
2941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
2945.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
到2026年還剩兩個多月的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
2945.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
2946.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
院長有沒有心目中你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
2946.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
2949.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
今年台灣年度代表制會是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
2949.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
2949.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
2950.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
2951.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
拼啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
2951.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
2951.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
2951.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
2953.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
大家都很拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
2953.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
2954.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
很拼 拼什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
2954.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
2957.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
拼經濟拼科技拼發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
2958.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
2959.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
然後有拼政治 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
2959.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
2961.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
因為我看您六日也是趴趴走 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
2961.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
2964.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
為很多民進黨的候選人來服選 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
2964.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
2965.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
不過沒關係 大家都有分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
2966.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
2967.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
院長 來 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
2967.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
2968.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
很多人講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
2968.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
2970.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
可能跟民眾的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
2970.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
2971.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
不一定那麼一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
2971.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
2972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
因為很多人講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
2972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
2975.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
有可能2026年年度代表制會是毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
2975.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
2978.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
毒 毒價的毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
2978.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
2980.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
因為之前毒品駕車事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
2980.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
2982.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
真的是高居不下 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
2982.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
2983.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
現在已經在下環了 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
2983.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
2986.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
毒油 7月8月毒油之亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
2986.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
2989.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
確實讓全台灣的民眾人心惶惶 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
2989.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
2991.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
還有毒品的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
2991.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
2993.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
所以我想先請教一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
2993.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
2995.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
台灣是不是一個毒品零容忍的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
2995.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
2997.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
是 我們可以拼凡毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
2997.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
2999.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
我們一定會毒品零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
2999.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
2999.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
2999.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3000.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
是 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3000.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3002.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
那對於現在我們看到有 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3004.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3006 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
執政黨的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3006.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
過去主張講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3007.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3010.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
我們應該要仿效其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3010.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3011.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
建立社區中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3011.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3014.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
提供吸毒者毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3014.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3015.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3016.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3017.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
台北市目前的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3017.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3020.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
有34家社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3020.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3022.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
在做這樣的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3022.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3023.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
有提供毒品給人家嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3023.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3024.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
有十九 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3024.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3026.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
我們現在美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3026.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3027.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
就是二級管制品 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3027.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3028.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
有提供毒品給 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3028.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3030.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
美沙東算是藥品還是毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3030.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3031.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
那是二級管制藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3031.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3033.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
是 藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3033.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3033.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3033.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3035.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
那但是我現在問的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3035.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3038.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
有人 有執政黨委員認為是說 |
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3038.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3041.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
應該要仿效在社區中心 |
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3041.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3042.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
不管是哪一個社區 |
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3042.81 |
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3044.37 |
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我不知道他想要指的哪一個社區 |
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3044.41 |
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3045.81 |
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所以說大家也要問他 |
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3045.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
但更重要的是 |
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3046.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3049.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
要提供毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
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3050.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3050.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
你可以認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3050.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3052.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
還是哪一個國家現在已經有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3052.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3054.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
台北市也有十九處的自動服務機 |
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3054.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3055.29 |
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在提供 |
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3055.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3056.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
你認不認同嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3056.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3057.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
你先講你認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3057.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3058.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
說提供毒品跟針頭給人家 |
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3058.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3060.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
這是一個減害的措施 |
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3060.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3063.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
全世界是有國際驗證過的 |
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3063.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3064.77 |
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那台灣很多的城市 |
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3064.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3066.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
所以院長你認同這樣的講法 |
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3066.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3067.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
也都這樣在做 |
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3067.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3068.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
我們已經這樣在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3068.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3069.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
你認同這樣的講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3069.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3071.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
不是 要在社區中心 |
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3071.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3074.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
提供毒品跟針頭給一般民眾 |
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3074.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3076.01 |
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這算是反毒嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3076.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3077.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
請委員要把它講精準一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3077.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3080.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
因為我現在都用的是執政黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3080.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3081.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
他的文章裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3081.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3083.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
我沒有加油添醋 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3084.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
但我現在想問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3084.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3085.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
這樣的主張跟這樣的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3085.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3087.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
是我們現在執政黨的立場嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3087.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3089.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
我們現在已經在做的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3089.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3091.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我事實的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3091.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3093.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
我們就依照這個事實來解釋 |
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3093.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3096.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
院長你認為毒癮 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3096.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3099.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
跟什麼買模型玩具的癮一樣嗎 |
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3099.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3101.53 |
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跟吃美食的癮一樣嗎 |
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3101.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3103.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
兩屆癮跟減害 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3103.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3105.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
不是兩件完全相同的事情 |
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3105.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3107.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
所以你覺得毒癮跟買模型玩具 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3107.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3109.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
跟吃美食的癮是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3109.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3110.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那當然不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3110.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3110.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
當然不一樣 |
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3110.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3112.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
所以會講出這樣的話的人 |
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3112.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3113.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
其實也蠻荒謬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3115.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
但是你不會到社區的藥局去吃美食 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3116.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3117.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
對 其實也很荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3117.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3117.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
對不對 |
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3117.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3118.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
不會 |
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3118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3119.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
來 再來 |
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3119.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3121.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
所以我們現在想要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3121.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3122.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
到底有沒有可能 |
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3123.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3124.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
不管是衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3124.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3125.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
不管是法務部 |
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3125.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3126.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
不管是教育部 |
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3126.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3128.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
未來要在社區中心建立 |
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3128.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3130.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
可以提供毒品吸毒者 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3130.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3132.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
毒品跟乾淨的針頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3132.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3133.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
我們有可能會往這樣的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3133.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3134.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
來去做施政嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3135.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3137.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
我已經在跟委員報告過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3138 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3140.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
我們會不會這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3142.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
34處的社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3142.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3145.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
就在做這種減害的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3145.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3147.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
完全不敢正面回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3147.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3148.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
正面對於台北市的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3148.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3150.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
現在崔少鵬大人愛講的話說 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3150.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3151.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
問A打B |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3151.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3153.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
也許委員可以跟我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3153.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3155 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
詢北市的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3157.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
你完全沒有在針對本席的問題回答問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3159 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
本席直接問 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3159.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3162.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
因為現在執政黨的委員提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3162.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3165 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
還有現在是本席在問您問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3165.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3166.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
您負責回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3166.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3168.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
來院長我再請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3168.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3171.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
所以毒品跟藥品可以直接畫上等號嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3173.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
你剛剛講美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3174.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3176.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
美沙東到底是毒品還是藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3176.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3178.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
毒品跟藥品能不能畫上等號 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3178.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3181.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
毒品跟藥品能不能畫上等號 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3181.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3183.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
現在我再請教卓榮泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3184.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3186.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
毒品跟藥品當然不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3186.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3187.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
當然不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3187.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3189.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
所以如果說有人要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3189.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3191.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
把毒品跟藥品畫上等號的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3191.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3193.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那其實是一個很荒謬的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3193.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3195.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
再來正式毒品只是藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3195.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3200.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
在社區社市不會有人要把毒品散發給 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3200.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3202.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
所以毒品只是藥嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3202.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3203.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
你要硬把它解釋成這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3203.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3205.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
我們也是在沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3205.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3206.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
我們就要解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3206.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3209.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
今天是本席議席社會大眾想要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3209.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3211.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
為什麼會有執政黨的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3211.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3213.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
過去有這樣的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3213.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3214.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
而這樣的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3214.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3215.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
到底跟我們現在台灣主流民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3215.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3216.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
有沒有背道而馳 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3216.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3218.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
如果有背道而馳的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3218.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3219.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
他其實可以改口 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3219.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3222.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
但是今天我們拿執政黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3222.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3224.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
過去的文章來請教你的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3224.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3225.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
你也不敢回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3225.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3228.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
然後正式毒品只是藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3228.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3231.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
我們以台北市的現狀來回答委員 |
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3231.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3233.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
這個是最接近現在事實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3233.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3234.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
要跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3234.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3235.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
我想非常厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3235.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3238.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
馬飛跟海洛因都是一級毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3238.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3239.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
美沙東是二級毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3239.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3240.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
我想非常厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3241.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3241.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
政府部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3241.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3245.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
如果能夠再有執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3245.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3247.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
然後要有規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3247.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3249.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
有管理下他可以當作藥品來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3251.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
本席現在想要講的另外一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3251.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3252.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
你剛剛第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3252.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3253.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
沒有辦法很明確回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3253.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3254.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
那沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3254.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3255.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3255.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3255.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
我們已經解釋了 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3255.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3256.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
怎麼會沒有明確回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3256.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3258.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
本席過去到現在也都提了 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3258.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3259.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
像我們這一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3260.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3261.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
立法院在野黨委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3261.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3263.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
52位都已經連署通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3263.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3264.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
中選會應該要有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3264.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3266.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
所謂的邊行打擊詐騙公投 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3266.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3269.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
很遺憾被中選會沒收 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3269.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3271.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
但是當時我們要講的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3271.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3272.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
我們要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3272.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3274.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
其實我們希望能夠提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3274.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3275.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
政府一個強而有力 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3275.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3278.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
但是富有法律保障的武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3278.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3280.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
能夠來對付犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3280.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
降低詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3281.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3282.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
降低性侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3282.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3283.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
降低虐童 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3283.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3284.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
這一些只要能夠做 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3284.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3285.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
我們都應該做 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3285.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3287.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
這不分朝野黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3287.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3289.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
那因為中選會把它沒收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3289.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3290.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3290.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3292.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
但是本席也負責任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3292.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3294.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
把本席的修法版本給提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3294.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3296.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
並且本席的修法版本裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3296.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3298.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
也獲得委員的連署 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3298.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3300.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
目前即將要進入到一讀會 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3300.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3301.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3301.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3304.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
本席再一次強調跟說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3305.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3306.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3306.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3307.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
性侵虐童詐騙 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3307.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3310.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
以及毒品駕車後致死 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3311 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3312.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
這樣子的一個重大犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3312.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3314.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
其實是慘無人道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3314.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3315.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
而且是層出不窮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3315.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3317.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
我們不希望這樣的事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3317.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3318.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
我相信院長也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3319.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
或是說在野黨委員一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3319.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3322.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
大家都一致就是要對付 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3323.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
現在有看到我們有這個行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3326.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3327.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
馬上講是說有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3327.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3329.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
這樣的修法會違反兩公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3329.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3330.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
而給了軟墊子 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3330.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3333.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
我想先請教一下比較直接概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3333.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3336.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
所以本席提出來這樣的一個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3336.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3338.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
這個也參考過去在野時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3338.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3340 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
民進黨委員的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3340.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3343.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
甚至潘孟安 徐國勇 蔡其昌 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3343.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3347.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
現在身兼民進黨要職的秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3347.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3349.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
也都有連署這樣的一個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3349.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3351.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
那本席提出來修法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3351.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3352.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
法務部或行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3352.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3353.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
會不會有相對應的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3354.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3357.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
首先對於這個重大惡行的犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3357.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3359.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
加重他的刑責 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3359.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3360.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
這是大家的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3360.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3364.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
行政院的方向也是朝這個方向在前進 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3364.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3365.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
但是本席連出來這個重刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
3365.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3367.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
兩公約是要遵守的 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3367.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
3368.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
我們再回顧世界上 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3369.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3371.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
目前僅有少數國家使用邊形 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3371.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3374.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
到底邊形它能夠產生多大的效益 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3374.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3377.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
這有待進一步的去商榷跟討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3377.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3378.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
那我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3378.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3380.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
本席去年一年就已經提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3380.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3383.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
用近一步的人權觀念 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3383.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3386.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
那本席也提供相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
並且本席也建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3388.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3389.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
法務部也好外交部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3389.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
可以去新加坡去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3391.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3392.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
請教過去這一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3393.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3394.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
有那些瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3394.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3397.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
像新加坡是因為直接延續英國的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3397.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3399.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
那英國已經戰後最有廢詞的邊形 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3399.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3402.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
那新加坡就是說重大的這些差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3402.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3403.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
是不是嚴厲是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3403.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3404.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
我剛講的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3404.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3406.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
是不是新加坡都繼續在邊形 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3406.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3409.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
他那個只有說限縮在50歲以下的男子 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3409.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3410.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
50歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3410.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3412.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
您的資料錯誤了 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3412.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3416.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
然後對父女對少年對年紀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3416.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3419.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
他在炸盤的話會利用這些人來做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3420.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
等分寸所當然的 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3420.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3422.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
請讓院長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3422.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3423.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
來院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3423.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3426.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
那我也看到說民進黨委員也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3426.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3428.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
就是說其實也可以把貪污 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3428.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3431.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
立委犯罪收入列入邊形 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3431.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3433.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
所以請教執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3433.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3436.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
護士行政院會不會把中央的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3436.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3438.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
把這些委員的提案一起納進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3438.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3440.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
然後變成是一個版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3440.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3441.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
然後拿出來來做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3443.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
因為有委員提出要用邊形 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3443.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3445.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
所以另外有委員提出一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3445.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3447.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
比較反向的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3447.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3450.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
但是行政院會認為重大政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3450.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3454.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
不是用反向思考來做討論跟對比的 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3455.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
我們應該衡量的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3455.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3460.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
邊形符不符合現在世界的人權的思想 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3460.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
邊形在大多數的國家是不是被接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3463.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3464.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
人權的思想 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3464.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3465.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
一致意料的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3465.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3469.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
全台民眾對於政府要求治安的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3469.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3470.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
我們瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3470.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3472.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
以過去對於犯罪的縱容 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3472.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3476.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
這是人民想要看到政府有更強而有力 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3476.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3476.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
積極的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3477.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3479.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
這是為什麼過去有八千的民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3480.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3482.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
認為是邊形撒基詐騙虐童性侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3482.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3484.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
以及屠殺警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3484.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3488.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
真的是高度民意的產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3488.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3491.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
如果行政院長還聽不到這樣的民意的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3491.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3492.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
我感到非常遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3492.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3495.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
但是難不成外用實際行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3495.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3499.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
告訴行政院什麼才是真正的民意 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3499.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3502.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
再來我們提高刑罰的法 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3502.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3504.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
修正已經送到大院來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3504.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3506.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
大院卻不審這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3506.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3508.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
提高刑罰的個人法律修正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3508.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3510.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
而且大院已經都通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3510.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3513.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
部長請您請大家請您先不要干擾本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3513.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3516.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
這個三級的那個三級 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3516.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3518.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
部長一直在干擾本席的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3518.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3520.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
讓本席經濟把本過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3520.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3523.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
是想要救駕還是想要篡位 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3523.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3525.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
不然怎麼會指揮官院長才回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3525.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3528.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
現在回復是我們對行政院長加重修法的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3528.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3529.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
時間可以請暫停嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3529.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3531.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
而且這是回應民意的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3532.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3536.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
根據立法院職權刑事法第22條精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3536.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3539.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
對委員之答覆 係由行政院院長答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3539.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3544.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
或由質詢委員指定之有關部會首長答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3544.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3545.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
委員如果沒有指定 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3547.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
就請部會首長不要搶答 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3550.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3551.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
非常好 可以繼續嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3552.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3554.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
部長 本席要求你回答的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3554.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3555.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
請你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3555.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3558.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
沒有要求你回答的時候請不要篡位 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3558.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3560.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
來 院長 那我請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3560.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3561.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
現在我們也提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3561.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3564.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
因為獨駕非常的嚴峻 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3564.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3567.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
而獨駕致死更是慘絕人寰 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3567.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3569.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
我們常常講說這就是不定期炸彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3569.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3570.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
那既然這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3570.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3572.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
本席也已經有修法主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3572.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3573.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
就是如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3573.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3576.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
獨駕致死最高應該判處死刑無期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3576.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3578.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
或12年以上有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3578.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3582.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
這就是您剛剛一直強調的說要把刑責加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3582.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
你說刑責加重行政院是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3584.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3586.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
所以本席這樣的一個修法版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3586.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3589.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
目前民進黨團不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3589.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3591.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
那我不知道說行政部門現在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3591.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3592.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
有沒有可能有同意的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3592.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3594.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
因為如果說行政部門同意的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3594.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3596.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
也許我們就可以直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3596.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3598.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
在這個禮拜五院會的時候三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3600.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3601.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
大院裡面的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3601.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3603.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
朝野各黨團的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3603.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
我想要彼此互相的遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3604.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3606.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
同時也要符合憲法的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3606.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3607.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
你自己的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3607.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3609.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
如果是唯一死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3609.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3610.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
將來是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3610.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3611.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
沒有唯一死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3611.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3612.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
本席剛剛講得非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3612.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3615.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
獨駕致死我們給法官做裁量權 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3615.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
如果獨駕致死最高判處死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3618.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3620.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
無期徒刑或12年以上有期徒刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
3621.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
3622.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
這是法官的裁量權 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
3622.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
3623.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
我不會去干涉 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
3623.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
3625.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
但是本席修法完畢之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
3625.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
3627.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
請教行政院長認不認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
3627.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
3630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
我們已經對特殊重大的暴力犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
3630.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
3633.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
擬具了刑法第77條的修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
3633.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
3635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
那麼明定不能安全駕駛的罹犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
3635.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
3638.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
五年內不能在安全駕駛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
3638.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
3639.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
這幾個條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
3639.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
3640.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
故意殺人 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
3640.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
3644.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
殺人未遂或是惡劣致死等重傷的 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
3644.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
3646.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
都會處無期徒刑或超過 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
3646.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
3648.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
所以你不認同處死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
3648.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
3650.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
那目前我們的態度是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
3650.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
3653.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
所以行政院即便到現在看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
3653.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
3654.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
那麼多犯罪猖獗 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
3654.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
3656.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
也不用硬性辯論我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
3656.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
3659.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
我們沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
3659.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3661.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
你也不願意求處死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
3661.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3662.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
把死刑列入 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3662.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3663.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
我們沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
3663.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3664.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3664.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3665.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3665.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3666.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
但即便現在沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3666.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
3668.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
你如果實際上講沒有廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3668.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3671.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
但是這樣子的一個慘無人道的一個犯行 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3671.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3674.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
你們行政院還是不同意處死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3674.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3675.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
目前的修法的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
3675.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3677.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
為什麼每一次都讓我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3677.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3679.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
對於犯罪者那麼的包容 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
3679.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3681.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
目前在修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
3681.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3683.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
為什麼每一次都要問AW |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3683.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3684.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
每一次都要問AW |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
3684.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3686.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
為犯罪者來開脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
3686.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3688.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
凌虐犯罪者到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
3688.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3691.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
你們到底跟被害者有什麼仇 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3691.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3694.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
凌虐未滿七歲兒童致死的是處於死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3695.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3697.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
那也是在院長修法通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
3697.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3698.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
你們當事提反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
3698.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3702.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
對 但是也是衡量到整個法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3702.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3703.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
他整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
3703.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3705.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
國人都了解您的態度了 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3707.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
再來 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3707.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3709.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
還剩兩個月不到就要九合一選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3711.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3713.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
選舉是民主的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
3713.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3714.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
本席非常尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3714.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3716.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
因為本席有這個權利站在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3716.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3718.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
就是透過公平公正的選舉得來 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3718.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3722.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
所以我很珍惜每一票給我的選票的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3722.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3724.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
那九合一選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3724.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3726.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
其實最重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3726.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3728.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
我們不要有任何外界的干擾 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3728.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3731.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
所以說我們也絕對向會選說不 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
3731.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3734.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
可是現在有個情況比較特別的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3734.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3736.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
一般民間在講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3736.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3737.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
過去有些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3737.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3739.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
就包括說法務部之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3739.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3741.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
訂出所謂30塊的文宣小物的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3741.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3743.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
現在到底還有沒有這個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3743.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3746.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
以及什麼能做什麼不能做 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3746.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3748.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
我想這個是不分黨派朝野 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
3748.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3750.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
大家可以凝聚一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
3750.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3752.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
畫出一個很精確的紅線 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3752.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3755.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
要求所有候選人都不要違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3755.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3756.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
你認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3756.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3757.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
標準只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3757.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3758.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
請法務來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
3758.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3758.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
標準只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3758.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3759.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
所以我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3760.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
3761.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
請跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
3761.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
3764.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
如果說在競選場合發放這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
3766.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
3767.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
每個人拿到一份 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
3767.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
3768.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
算不算違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
3768.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
3769.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
算不算會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
3769.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
3770.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
3770.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
3773.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
這個最高檢察署有 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
3773.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
3774.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
你直接回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
3774.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
3776.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
妨害選舉刑事案件的例舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
3776.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
3777.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
3777.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
3780.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
那這部份第三的不構成會選的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
3780.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
3782.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
這個有編號三 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
3782.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
3786.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
選舉造勢活動提供參加民眾試圖之茶水 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
3786.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
3787.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
簡便餐飲 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
3787.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
3790.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
不預約社會場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
3790.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
3791.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
那這這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
3791.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
3792.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
所以這個算不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
3792.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
3794.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
這個要看有沒有社會場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
3794.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
3795.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
看這個社會場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
3796.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
3797.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
本席就在問你有沒有社會場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
3797.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
3799.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
個案認定我不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
3799.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
3800.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
沒有不講 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
3800.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
3801.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
這沒有辦法講個案認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
3801.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
3803.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
因為兩個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
3803.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
3806.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
國人現在普遍有一個認知是30塊以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
3806.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
3808.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
那這個超過30塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
3808.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
3809.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
3809.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
3809.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
但委員報告一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
3809.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
3811.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
你要講說社會場景 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
3811.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
3812.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
我來做一個解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
3812.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
3815.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
30塊就是一個發動偵查的門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
3815.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
3816.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
並不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
3816.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
3818.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
30塊達到3以上就一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
3818.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
3820.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
所以這有沒有超過30塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
3820.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
3822.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
為打30塊就不是會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
3822.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
3823.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
所以這有沒有超過30塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
3823.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
3824.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
3824.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
3826.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
以現在的物價來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
3826.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
3828.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
如果說這個是屬於高檔餐廳的 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
3829.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
3830.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
那個這個就超過30塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].start |
3830.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
3832.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
可能幾百塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
3832.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
3833.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
路邊攤就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
3833.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
3835.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].text |
路邊攤我就不曉得這個是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
3835.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].end |
3835.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].text |
下一張 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
3837.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
3838.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
這有超過30塊嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
3838.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
3840.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
這個我沒辦法去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
3840.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
3841.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
這個沒有標記 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
3841.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
3842.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
因為你剛剛講 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
3842.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
3844.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
部長現在本席可以請你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
3844.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
3846.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
但是你剛剛講的東西很模糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
3846.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
3849.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
這也是我們要透過質疑的時候來去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
3849.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
3854.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
你剛剛說30塊只是一個發動偵查的門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
3854.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
3855.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
本席現在講請教是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
3855.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
3857.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
如果說一般檢察官來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
3857.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
3857.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
你們內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
3857.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
3861.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
因為你們一定有行前教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
3861.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
3862.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
看到現在這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
3862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
3864.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
檢察官要不要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
3864.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
3865.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
陳立要不要會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
3866.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
3867.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
會選就是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
3867.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
3870.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
他是不是可以變更影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
3870.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
3874.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
這個選舉全能的一個投票的一個意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
3874.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
3875.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
現在就講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
3875.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
3877.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
現在的狀況就是標準是模糊 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
3877.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
3878.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
糊動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
3878.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
3880.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
好像斑斕不斑律 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
3880.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
3882.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
好像針對特定政黨的候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
3882.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
3884.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
有沒有一個對象關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
3884.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
3885.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
這時候才會給你機會說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
3885.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
3887.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
但是你現在這個也說得不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
3887.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
3890.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
這個防害選舉行事案接著來一舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
3890.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
3891.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
裡面有一些例舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
3891.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
3893.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
哪些是可以會成立會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
3893.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
3894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
哪些是不成立會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
3894.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
3896.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
我們會出來這些什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
3897.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
3898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
烤滷豬 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
3898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
3902.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
如果說有候選人在他的宣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
3902.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
3904.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
講說要支持某某某 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
3904.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
3906 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
然後旁邊提供烤滷豬 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
3906.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
3908.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
烤滷豬這個市價一支兩萬五起跳 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
3909.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
3910.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
那如果說來參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
3910.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
3911.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
譬如說100個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
3911.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
3914.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
那每個人就拿到250塊 |
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3914.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
3916.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
如果說來200個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
3916.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
3917.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
那每個人125塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
3917.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
3921.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
那如果說在候選人的助獎宣講場合 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
3921.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
3922.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
旁邊有烤滷豬 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
3922.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
3924.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
然後提供給來參加民眾 |
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3924.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
3925.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
這樣算不算 |
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3926.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
3927.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
這可以比較好認定了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
3928.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
3929.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
可不可以提供烤滷豬 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
3929.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
3931.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
這個還是要到 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
3931.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
3933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
這是滷豬不行烤羊烤雞 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
3933.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
3934.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
滷豬不行烤雞可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
3934.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
3935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
一個判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
3935.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
3940.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
一零六年的台上自二一八九號的一個判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
3940.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
3940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
我們的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
3940.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
3943.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
我們到現在我們沒有發生這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
3943.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
3947.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
這個都是實際的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
3947.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
3948.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
我完全可以負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
3948.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
3949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
完全可以去求證 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
3949.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
3951.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
但本席現在要問的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
3951.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
3953.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
是如果說連我們在國會殿堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
3953.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
3954.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
我問什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
3954.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
3955.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
你都沒有辦法回答的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
3955.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
3957.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
那難怪一般民眾會覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
3957.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
3959.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
這一次的檢調是完全浮動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
3959.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
3961.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
有些時候送豆花不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
3961.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
3962.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
那烤滷豬可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
3964.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
3966.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
意見不行什麼可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
3966.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
3966.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
那甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
3967.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
3969.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
這到底標準是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
3969.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
3971.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
這個講到接到這個線報檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
3971.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
3973.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
我現在就會立案來做一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
3973.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
3975.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
但是成不成立的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
3975.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
3976.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
還要經過調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
3976.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
3979.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
還是要經過是不是一個調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
3979.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
3982.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
是不是有影響變更投票的一個意願 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
3984.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
3987.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
所以我跟你們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
3987.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
3988.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
這個是有沒有對下關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
3988.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
3991.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
就是成立這一種的來做一個判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
3991.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
3992.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
當然它有個歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
3992.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
3993.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
法這個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
3993.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
3995.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
每個案件的情形不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
3995.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
3998.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
就是不分顏色黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
3998.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4000.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
依法該辦就辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4000.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4002.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
絕對不是個案認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4002.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4003.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
如果說什麼東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4003.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4005.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
要寫到個案認定的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4005.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4006.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
就是一個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4006.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4007.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
本席才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4007.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4009.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
為什麼全國人民都會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4009.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4011.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
現在的標準是沒有標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4011.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4012.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
這是一定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4012.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4013.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
怎麼沒有標準的 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4013.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4014.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4014.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4014.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
這每個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4014.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4018.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
一定要收集一個情形來做一個認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4019.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4020.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
本席今天不跟你討論什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4020.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4022.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
你手機的桌布到底是什麼桌布 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4022.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4024.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
你高興換什麼桌布 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4025 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4026.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
這個是我尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4027 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4027.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4030.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
但是行政官員能不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4030.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4031.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
人民的納稅前 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4031.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4032.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
機關辦的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4032.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4034.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
幫特定候選人喊動賺 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4034.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4037.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
這一點就是所有政務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4039.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
以及所有中華民國公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].start |
4039.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4040.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
不能踩著紅線 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4040.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4042.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
這個界限一定要非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4042.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4042.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4044.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4045.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
黃世傑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4046.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4047.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
之前的法務部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4048.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4051.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
他就曾經在8月的時候被踢爆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4051.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4052.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
也有錄影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4052.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4057.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
當初在台上是農田水利署的相關官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4057.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4058.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
限職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4059.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4063.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
中午用的是農田水利署的公務預算辦的餐會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4063.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4065.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
然後幫特定候選人喊動賺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4067.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4069.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4069.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4070.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
您講的這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4070.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4074.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
他基本上就是年度的每一年的一個例行的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4074.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4075.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
預算是誰的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4075.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4079.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
那預算是我們農田水利署的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4079.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4080.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
是不是公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4080.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4082.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
每一年的行的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4082.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4085.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
黃天是不是有在台上喊動賺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4086.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4087.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
要不要我放影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4087.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4091.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
有非常多的想要競選這一次的前次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4091.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4094.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
有沒有那個處長直接拉著黃世傑的手 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4094.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4097 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
還沒有上市的選舉的一個登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4097.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4099.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
只是有很多有意願的人來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4099.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4100.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
等一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4100.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4101.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
法務部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4101.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4103.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
我們的農業部長剛剛講了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4103.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4105.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
華天下之大績 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4105.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4106.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
8月的時候因為還沒有登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4106.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4110 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
所以他即便是民進黨提名的市長候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4110.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4112.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
我跟公務預算在台上喊動賺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4112.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4113.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4113.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4116.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
桃園地檢署已經立案在辦理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4116.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4117.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4117.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4119.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
桃園地檢署立案在辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4119.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4121.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
粉絲剛剛上來前一刻問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4121.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4122.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
還沒有這個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4123.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
有這個有立案在辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4124.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4124.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4125.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4126.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
院長還是拉回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4127.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4129.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
該會選該查一定要查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4129.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4130.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4130.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4131.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
沒有含扣的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4131.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4133.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
但另外一點最重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4133.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4138.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
公務預算能不能給候選人上台去做動賺 |
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4138.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4139.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
守護民主 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4139.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4140.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
連你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4140.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4142.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
這個界線都要非常清楚 |
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4142.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4145.05 |
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連你去每個地方六日 |
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4145.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4146.37 |
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我們之前都問過 |
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4146.41 |
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4147.77 |
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是不是用公務預算 |
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4147.81 |
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4148.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
你都說不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4148.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4150.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
如果是私人掏腰包 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4150.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4153.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
當天的公務行程是公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4153.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4156.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
當天的私人的跟選舉相關的事 |
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4156.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4159.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
所以這個處長 |
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4159.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
除了檢調在查有沒有會選以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4161.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4163.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
這個處長要不要就責 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4164.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4166 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4166.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4169.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
已經逾越了公務人員的界線了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4169.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
應不應該就責 |
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4170.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4171.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
請檢調調查清楚以後 |
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4171.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4173.4 |
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該就責 |
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4173.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4174.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
該清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4174.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4176.68 |
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我們的政風都睡著了是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4176.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4177.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
這件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4177.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4179.12 |
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檢調是司法案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4181.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
但是我現在講的是公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4181.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4182.4 |
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到司法的程序了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4182.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4183.96 |
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我現在講的是公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4184 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4185.48 |
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那不用內部調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4185.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4188.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
所以之前的霸凌案件不是雙軌並行嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4188.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4191 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
之前信件案件不是雙軌並行嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4191.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4193.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
只要每次遇到你們標準都變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4193.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4194.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
沒有標準沒有變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4194.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4196.56 |
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完全就是標準變 |
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4196.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
所以說這是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4198.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4199.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
本席覺得非常荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4199.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4201.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
當農業部長還上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4201.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4203.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
來去護航並且講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4203.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4205.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
因為我沒有護航 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4205.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4206.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
我沒有這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4206.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4209.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
我行政總理我剛才只是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4209.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4211.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
他的活動是每一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4211.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
每一年的例行的一個活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4213.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4216.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
黃世傑他以前以市長候選人身分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4216.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4217.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
去參加過幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4217.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
去年有去參加嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4219.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4221.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
每一年的活動都有很多地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4221.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4223.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
院長在台上幫黃世傑喊點算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4223.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
我不講特定的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4224.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4226.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
每一員都有不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4226.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4229.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
我地方政府的相關的議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4229.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4230.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
現任的或想選的都會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4231 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4231.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
來院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4232.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4233.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4233.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4235.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
大齡的事情我們有處理的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4235.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4236.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
所以我們可以處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4236.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4237.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
那這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4237.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4239.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
院長我覺得還有兩個重大議題好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4240.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4242.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
中央今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4242.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4244.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
有一個叫做土方之亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4244.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4246.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
但是我覺得這個是大家一起來面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4246.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4250.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
本席身為新北第一選區的立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4250.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4253.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
我們有一個很重要的建設叫做台北港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4253.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4255.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
台北港需要加速建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4255.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4256.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
本席同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4256.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4257.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
不要破壞生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4257.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4258.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
不要破壞環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4258.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4260.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
但另外更重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4260.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4263.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
不能影響到大理地區的居民 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4263.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4264.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
我來請院長看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4264.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4265.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
今天上午的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4266.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4267.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
今天上午五點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4267.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4269.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
民眾一出門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4269.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4271.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
看到他的門口前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4271.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4273.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
排了幾百台的砂石車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4273.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4275.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
這已經不是第一次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4275.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
但是這幾天特別嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4277.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4279.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
來我們秀一下幾張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4279.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4280.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
下面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4281.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
下面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4282.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4283.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
還有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4285.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4286.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
好 沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4287.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4287.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4288.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4289.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
本期間一早就收到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4289.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4292.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
我們地方的鄉親傳來的Line |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4292.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4295.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
那並且有講到是說排滿了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4296.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4297.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4298.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4301.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
巴黎舊的驅工所前面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4301.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4303.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
全部都是砂石車在路邊等待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4304.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4304.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
要進台北港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4305.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4307.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
這是從早上五點半開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4308.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4310.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
現在兩個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4310.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4312.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
本期也馬上調了資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4312.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4314.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
說台北港過去在前幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4314.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4315.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
差不多一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4315.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4319.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
一千兩百台到一千五百台的砂石車進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4319.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4321.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
但是這一兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4321.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4322.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
平均一天都兩千台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4323.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4324.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
所以造成就是去化 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4324.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4325.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
有塞車的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4325.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4327.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
那塞車他就回堵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4327.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4328.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
那台北港我們之前也協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4329.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4330.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
港務公司你要趕快開門 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4330.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4332.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
讓他們進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4332.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4332.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
堵在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4332.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4334.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
不要影響到外面民眾的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4335.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4336.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4336.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4338.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
可是現在連外面都影響到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4338.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4341.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
而且因為他們要持續進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4341.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4342.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
所以他們每一台都帶數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4343.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4344.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
那就變成是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4344.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4345.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
帶數造成空氣污染 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4346.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4348.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
造成砂石車佔據一個車道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4348.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4349.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
並且要再進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4349.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4352.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
整個讓民眾的生活完全受影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4352.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4353.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
那對比六月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4353.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4354.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
你也去看了台北港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4354.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4355.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
台中港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4355.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4355.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
高雄港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4356 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4357.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
當時你的影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4359.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4362.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
一直講說要收大量能收容對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4362.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4363.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
沒有人反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4363.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4365.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
只要不要破壞生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4365.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4367.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
可是現在這個問題要怎麼解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4367.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4367.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4367.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4368.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
我先講三個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4368.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4370.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
再請部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4370.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4370.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4370.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4373.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
台北港每年收取這個建築物土石方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4373.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4376.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
量五百萬立方是固定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4376.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4376.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
是固定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4376.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4378.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
他不會隨時增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4378.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4379.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4379.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
我們去到台北港之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4380.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4382.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
他本來只有一個檢查的這個通道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4382.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
現在我們把它擴增為兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4384.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4387.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
這些都是粉絲過去有開協調會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4387.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4387.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4387.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4390.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
粉絲只想問是早上民眾傳這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4390.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4391.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4391.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4394.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
我們要求內政部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4394.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4394.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
交通部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4394.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4396.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
一定要跟新北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4396.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4400.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
要好好的協助做交通上的紓解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4400.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4400.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4400.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4401.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
如果是您的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4401.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4402.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4402.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4404.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
您可以接受你的家人小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4404.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4405.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
一出來門口 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4405.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4407.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
看到這樣子沙子在拍賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4407.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4408.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4408.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4409.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
我也要要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4409.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4411.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
這應該不是每一天24小時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4411.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4413.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
或是早上5點半 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4413.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4413.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4413.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4414.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
到9點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4414.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4417.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
就是利用這個比較不影響交通的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4417.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4418.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
有比較大量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4418.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4420.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
等到交通很擁塞的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4420.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4421.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
或人比較多的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4421.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4423.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
所以早上就可以原先嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4423.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4424.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
那這個因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4424.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4425.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4425.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4427.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
不是粉絲現在想聽到你的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
4427.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
4429.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
是說你就折成交通部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
4429.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
4430.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
折成相關單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
4430.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
4432.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
是不是一個禮拜內到現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
4432.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
4434.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
我們來檢討怎麼解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
4434.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
4435.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
4435.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
4437.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
第三就是我在處理整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
4437.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
4439.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
這個解決方的問題的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
4439.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
4441.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
我都要求內政部交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
4441.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
4443.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
一定要協助地方政府做好交通紓解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
4443.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
4444.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
一個禮拜內 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
4444.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
4446.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
我們一起到台北港現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
4446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
4447.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
就會看可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
4447.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
4448.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
我們來針對問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
4448.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
4449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
解決問題可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
4449.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
4451.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
謝謝委員的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
4451.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
4453.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
我覺得這是很重要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
4453.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
4454.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
因為確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
4454.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
4455.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
我還有一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
4455.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
4457.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
一個禮拜內我們去現場做會勘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
4457.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
4458.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
針對問題解決問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
4458.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
4459.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
4459.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
4460.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
您就安排會勘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
4460.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
4462.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
委員您就安排會勘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
4462.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
4463.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
我們交通部會配合沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
4463.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
4464.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
來部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
4464.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
4467.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
那本席再進一步的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
4467.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
4470.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
因為現在我們6461也已經接上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
4470.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
4471.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
可是很多國人在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
4471.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
4473.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
因為台北港現在越來越擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
4473.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
4476.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
那611是我們所謂的這個西濱公路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
4476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
4477.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
也是所謂的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
4477.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
4479.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
簡易版或平民版的高速公路 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
4479.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
4481.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
有這樣的一個美稱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
4481.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
4482.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
那有人就在講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
4482.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
4486.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
這些砂石車很有可能也都有往中南部的移動 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
4486.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
4488.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
能不能我們多研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
4488.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
4491.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
有一個閘道611直接進入到台北港 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
4491.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
4492.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
讓台北港的砂石車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
4492.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
4494.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
如果未來他是要往中南部走的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
4494.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
4495.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
直接就上611 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
4495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
4497.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
不要再進巴黎市區 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
4497.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
4498.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
然後再去上611 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
4498.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
4500.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
您這個建議這樣可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
4500.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
4500.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
我們來看長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
4501.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
4503.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
如果說這個砂石車進來的量會是長期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
4503.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
4505.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
我覺得這個是值得討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
4505.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
4507.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
所以不管砂石車或是工程車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
4507.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
4508.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
我們來研議這方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
4508.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
4510.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
好 貨運車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
4510.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
4511.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
4511.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
4511.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
好 可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
4511.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
4514.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
那院長我就當您是一個同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
4514.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
4515.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
好 最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
4520.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
4521.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
上上禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
4521.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
4523.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
這是世界的大問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
4524.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
4525.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
媒體就有報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
4525.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
4529.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
就講說為什麼對台軍售卡關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
4530.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
4534.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
立法院已經正式通過7800億特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
4534.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
4537.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
他是兩次110億美金的第一次軍售 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
4537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
4540.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
以及第二次的140億的軍售 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
4540.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
4542.44 |
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所以現在我們錢都給你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
4543.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
4545.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
但現在140億的軍售是暫停的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
4546.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
4546.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
4547.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
4549.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
媒體就報導四大理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
4549.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
4553.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
有可能是川普把軍售當成是對台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
4553.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
4555.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
對中談判的一個籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
4555.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
4556.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
或是北京的施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
4557.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
4558.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
那本席在這邊再一次強調立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
4558.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
4560.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
中華民國的捍衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
4560.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
4561.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
我們一起共同來捍衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
4561.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
4563.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
但我現在想問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
4563.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
4564.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
從上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
4564.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
4566.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
上上禮拜川習會之後到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
4566.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
4568.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
賴清德總統有沒有找院長這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
4568.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
4569.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
在做沙盤推演跟開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
4569.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
4570.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
國事國安會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
4571.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
4572.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
美台關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
4573.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
4575.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
長期合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
4575.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
4577.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
跟現在科技經濟合作是穩定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
4577.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
4579.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
川習會 川習二會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
4579.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
4581.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
我們在會前 會中 會後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
4582.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
4584.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
都隨時保持注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
4584.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
4585.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
我們也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
4585.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
4589.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
並沒有發生我們意外的事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
4589.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
4591.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
至於美台之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
4591.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
4594.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
已經發生了或將發生的這些軍售 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
4594.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
4597.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
我們也在按計畫的執行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
4597.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
4597.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
什麼時候會來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
4597.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
4599.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
因為今天本席有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
4599.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
4600.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
駐美代表余大雷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
4600.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
4602.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
他接受彭博的專訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
4602.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
4603.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
他也特別講到是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
4603.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
4604.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
4605.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
4606.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
他直接講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
4606.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
4608.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
這是余大雷的一個講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
4608.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
4609.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
今天的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
4609.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
4609.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
彭博報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
4609.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
4610.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
4610.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
4612.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
川普即將拍板140億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
4612.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
4614.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
對台軍售 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
4614.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
4615.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
有這樣的一個消息嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
4615.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
4616.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
請部長說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
4617.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
4621.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
我想我們有關對台軍售的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
4621.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
4622.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
美方表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
4622.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
4624.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
這個仍然在審議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
4624.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
4626.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
我們尊重美方的這個審議的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
4626.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
4629.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
那這樣子駐美代表是破壞了美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
4630.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
4630.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
對我們的邏輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
4630.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
4633.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
我有看到余大使的一個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
4633.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
4635.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
他是希望盡快來決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
4635.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
4637.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
那我想川普總統也一再表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
4637.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
4638.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
他會盡快決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
4638.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
4640.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
那美國的戰爭部也一再表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
4640.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
4642.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
對我們的這個軍售的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
4642.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
4644.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
沒有任何的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
4644.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
4646.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
所以我們就靜待這個美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
4646.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
4647.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
來適時的發表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
4647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
4649.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
對我們的這個軍售破產 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
4650.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
4651.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
我都尊重說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
4651.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
4652.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
站在捍衛中華民國立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
4652.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
4654.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
我絕對都全力支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
4654.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
4656.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
但是我們不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
4656.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
4657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
被人家當成是籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
4657.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
4658.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
我想這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
4658.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
4660.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
不管誰執政都應該要捍衛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
4660.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
4664.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
那現在川普他已經公開在媒體上面講是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
4664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
4668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
對台軍售是他跟北京交涉非常好的談判籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
4668.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
4669.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
我想請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
4669.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
4671.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
到這一句話出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
4671.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
4673.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
到現在也兩三個月過去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
4673.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
4674.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
我們有沒有透過任何管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
4674.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
4676.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
向美國政府來去表達抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
4677.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
4678.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
我想我們跟美方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
4679.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
4680.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
這個應該是院長要回答的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
4681.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
4683.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
我們跟美方的關係一直很穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
4683.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
4686.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
而且軍售的問題已經發生的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
4686.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
4688.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
或是還在川普已經講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
4688.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
4690.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
都按照軍售是非常好的談判籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
4690.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
4692.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
您認同這句話嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
4692.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
4694.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
這個事實並非如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
4694.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
4697.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
那是不是也違反了過去六項保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
4697.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
4698.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
已經發生的川習二會已經結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
4698.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
4700.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
北京來交涉對台軍售 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
4700.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
4701.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
所以這保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
4701.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
4703.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
台灣關係法都違反了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
4703.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
4704.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
是美國對台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
4704.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
4706.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
接下來我們川習還有兩會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
4706.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
4707.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
關係一個承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
4707.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
4708.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
包括11月的APEC |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
4708.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
4710.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
以及包括12月的G20 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
4710.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
4712.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
他們兩大領導人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
4712.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
4714.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
以及其他世界各國領導人怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
4714.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
4715.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
我們真的很難想像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
4715.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
4717.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
但是我們絕不能變成籌碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
4717.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
4719.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
所以說我想要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
4719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
4720.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
過去我們一直建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
4720.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
4722.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
賴清德總統應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
4722.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
4723.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
急速召開國安會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
4723.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
4724.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
國事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
4724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
4725.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
院長你的態度是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
4726.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
4728.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
我們透過各種形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
4728.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
4730.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
都在每週甚至不定期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
4730.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
4732.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
願意讓蔡英文總統兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
4744.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
4746.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
好謝謝洪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
4746.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
4747.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
4748.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
4748.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
下一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
4750.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
4752.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
請洪玉祥委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
4768.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
4769.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
好謝謝副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
4769.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
4771.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
那我們有請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
4771.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
4773.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
4783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
4784.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
洪委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
4784.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
4785.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
好院長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
4785.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
4789.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
那我想今天第一個議題來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
4789.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
4790.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
就是下一題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
4791.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
4793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
這是我們昨天的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
4793.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
4795.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
過去結會一堆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
4795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
4797.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
駐外人員的一個爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
4798.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
4800.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
我們開完這個黨團的記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
4800.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
4802.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我相信院長也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
4802.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
4804.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
我想先問院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
4804.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
4806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
其實我蠻敬佩院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
4806.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
4810.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
起碼院長是自費到日本去看棒球 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
4811.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
4814.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
那應該你在你的公務行程裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
4814.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
4819.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
應該有沒有帶家人什麼這些同行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
4820.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
4821.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
公務行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
4823.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
4825.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
如果有一些行程必定要帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
4826.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
4827.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
這個家人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
4827.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
4828.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
那他會註明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
4828.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
4830.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
那我這兩年當中是沒有發生過這種事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
4830.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
4832.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
OK好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
4832.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
4834.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
那基本上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
4834.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
4836.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
我想在這一塊地方的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
4837.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
4839.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
也就是說在這一個過去來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
4839.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
4841.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
我們除了在8月揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
4842.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
4845.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
這個東沙的生態體驗營的活動等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
4845.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
4847.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
當然這個監察院有認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
4847.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
4849.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
是違反了這個立沖法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
4851.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
4852.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
接下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
4852.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
4853.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
4853.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
4855.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
我們再根據這樣子的爆料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
4855.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
4857.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
我們再往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
4860.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
4863.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
那當然除了這個退資費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
4864.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
4868.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
當然出差率退資費當然無可厚非 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
4868.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
4870 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
但是這個有點誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
4870.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
4870.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
在下一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
4872.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
4874.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
那出國的炭素 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
4874.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
4877.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
我們跟過去的委員長做比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
4877.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
4879.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
也是非常的誇張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
4880.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
4883.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
當然可能有其任務的需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
4883.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
4885.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
但是這一個偏數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
4885.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
4887.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
實在是有點扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
4887.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
4889.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
從111年到這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
4889.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
4890.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
不值得抱怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
4891.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
4892.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
4896.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
4898.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
因為諮詢的事就爆料了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
4899.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
4902.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
這個是一個國家的一個高階的官員的訪團 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
4903.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
4905.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
那為什麼還有十幾歲的兒子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
4906.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
4908.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
包裝成這樣子的一個攝影 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
4909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
4910.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
所以這個實際的外館 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
4910.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
4912.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
你看到有點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
4914.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
4915.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
4916.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
4918.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
那往這邊的公帑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
4918.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
4920.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
食物交通接送 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
4920.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
4922.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
我們也不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
4922.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
4925.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
這個是不是真的有使用這樣的公費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
4925.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
4926.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
4927.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
4929.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
那出席的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
4929.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
4931.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
這個都是人家這個調介 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
4931.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
4932.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
或者是住在人家提供的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
4933.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
4934.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
在這裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
4934.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
4936.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
各位可以看到上一張的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
4936.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
4938.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
目前的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
4939.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
4941.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
那手機在滑的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
4941.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
4942.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
我們就要想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
4942.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
4944.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
既然都是號稱機密行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
4945.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
4947.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
不可以跟立法委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
4948.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
4949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
但是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
4949.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
4951.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
在使用手機的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
4951.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
4952.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
我就很懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
4952.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
4954.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
是不是有國家機密的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
4955.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
4957.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
那我們做完這樣子的回覆的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
4958.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
4961.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
其實我是要請外交部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
4961.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
4963.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
其他兩位可以先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
4964.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
4966.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
我們也要問相關法律的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
4966.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
4967.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
我只是想問調查的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
4968.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
4969.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
4971.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
4972.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
要說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
4972.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
4975.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
那是不是可以有時間讓委員長自己說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
4975.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
4978.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
當時或是現在他應該跟委員解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
4978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
4980.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
沒關係 我們先請外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
4980.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
4980.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
4980.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
4984.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
因為昨天外交部針對這件事情的一個回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
4984.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
4989.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
那我也覺得說應該就是組成一個獨立的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
4990.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
4993 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
那所以基本上我是有幾個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
4993.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
4994.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
4995.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
4998.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
就是在做公務車的使用的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
4998.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5002.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
有沒有違反我們駐外機構公務車的車輛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5002.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5004.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
換購跟管理的要點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5005.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5006.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
那如果以北北 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5006.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5009.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
這個的話是公務車是處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5009.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5010.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
負責管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5010.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5013.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
涉及的可能還包含華府中心的主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5013.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5014.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
副主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5014.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5015.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
僱員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5015.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5017.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
然後另外還有美處的行政組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5018.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5021.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
因為他負責的是車輛的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5021.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5022.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
另外還有政治組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5022.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5024.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
因為對口是國務院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5024.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5027.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
因為我們的車牌掛的是EBA的車牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5028.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5030.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
另外的話還有我們的會計組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5030.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5032.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
因為你要查你的里程數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5032.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5034.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
燃料的使用費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5035.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5039.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
另外可能也要詢問一下當時的余大使 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5039.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5042.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
以及駐德國的謝志偉大使 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5042.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5046.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
我們都希望外交部能夠秉持獨立調查的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5047.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5051.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
那昨天部長在你們外交部的回覆的新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5051.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5052.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
也回覆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5054.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
那我是非常肯定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5054.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5055.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5055.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5056.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
你可以告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5057.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5058.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
你們現在在內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5058.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5061.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
會不會組成獨立的調查小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5063.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5063.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5063.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5065.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
因為我們是昨天才 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5065.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5068.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
第一這件事情並沒有任何人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5068.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5070.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
向外交部提出檢舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5070.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5073.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
但昨天民眾黨開記者會之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5073.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5074.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
我們已經召開會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5074.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5077.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
然後請我們外館釐清真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5077.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5078.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
這點已經開始在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5078.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5080.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
那這個調查的程序要多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5081.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5082.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
我們已經開始啟動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5082.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5086.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
那調查程序我們就等外館給我們回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5086.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5088.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
我們再來跟委員做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5088.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5089.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5089.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5091.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
因為基本上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5091.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5093.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
院長在早上對記者的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5093.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5095.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
也是責成外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5095.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5098.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
就這些公務使用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5098.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5101.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
做詳盡獨立的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5101.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5103.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
因為我覺得這一點是很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5103.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
如果真的調查沒有所謂的這種爆料的情勢的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5108.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5111.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
當然就是還我們徐家英委的這個清白 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5111.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5112.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
但是如果有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5113.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5116.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
那我們也希望看到詳細的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5116.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5119.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
這些的調查的紀錄研究報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5119.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5122.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
因為國文對這件事情深惡痛絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5124.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5124.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5124.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5126.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
剛才你提供資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5126.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5127.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
跟謝志偉大使 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5127.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
那時候我也是駐化大使 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5129.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5131.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
所以應該在同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5131.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
徐家英委員也有到法處來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5133.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5136.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
並沒有所謂攝影觀這個情形發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5137.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5137.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5140.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
你們這個反正你就好好調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5140.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5144.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
因為我們今天後面的爆料是如雪片般的飛來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5144.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5146.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
然後都有提供照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5146.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5148.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
還有提供私下的錄音 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5149.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5150.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
我們只是沒有完全播放 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5151.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
那所以基本上我還是希望你們勿枉勿眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5154.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5156.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
然後好好的去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5156.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5157.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5157.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5158.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5161.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
從進入產業接待外商 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5161.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5162.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
到產業工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5162.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5166.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
我每年非出國考察開會的探數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5167.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5168.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
非常偏偏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5169.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5171.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
但我從來沒有帶什麼家人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5171.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5173.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
親戚一起公務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5174 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5176.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
我們早上到了美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5176.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5177.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
就是立刻開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5177.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5178.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5178.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5179.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].text |
飛美國的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5179.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5180.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
就12點多早上到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5180.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5183.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].text |
9點半10點我們就開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5183.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5183.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
看完後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5183.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5186.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].text |
我們可能再飛下一個地方開會等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5186.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5187.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].text |
所以我是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5187.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5191.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
如果在我們民間產業人士都這麼拼命的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5191.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5194.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
我不希望看到有假公濟私這樣的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5196.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
如果是自費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5196.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5199.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
合乎這樣子的公務使用規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5199.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5201.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
合乎公務生涯使用規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5201.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5203.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
那就是把所有的調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5203.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5205.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
調查的單據里程數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5205.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5207.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
這些全部都查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5207.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5208.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5208.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5209.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
以上就這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5209.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5211.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
就拜託外交部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5219.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5220.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5221.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5225.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
就是說在這個追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5226.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5230.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
我要把我們立法院的預算中心說一下話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5231.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5232.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5232.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5235.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
根據我們立法院預算中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5237.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5239.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
預算法第二條的明文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5239.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5244.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
在立法程序而公佈才叫法定預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5244.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5245.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
現在起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5246.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5251.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
基本上總統公佈115年度的總預算是在9月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5251.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5254.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
可是你們9月3號通過9月8號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5254.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5258.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
就把周家預算函函上立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5258.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5260.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
所以我們預算中心才會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5260.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5262.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
這個是有事法性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5262.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
也就是說我115年度的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5265.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
還沒有經過總統公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5267.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5270.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
還不構成法定預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5270.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
那你行政院是根據哪一條法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
可以把三讀後尚未通過的預算案先試統法定預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5280.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5281.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
哪一條法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5283.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
主席長也可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5287.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
預算法它也沒有明文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5287.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5289.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
追加預算提出的時程 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5289.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
它只有規定最佳預算提出的一個條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5294.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5299.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
那現在我們在8月14三讀已經有確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5299.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5300.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
所以就 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5300.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5301.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5303.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
根據79條第三款 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5303.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5305.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
各機關所辦事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5305.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5310.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
因重大事故經費超過法定預算時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5310.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5311.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
得提出追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5312.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5314.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
然後預算法第二條告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5314.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5317.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
經立法程序而公佈者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5318.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5319.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
成法定預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5320.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5321.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
我還沒公佈啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5323.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
9月18才公佈啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5325.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5326.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
哪裡的回答是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5327.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
你有回答了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5328.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5330.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
你們是有回答了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5331.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5332.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
你的回答是怎麼回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5333.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5334.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
好險你們呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5335.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5337.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
立法院三讀通過了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5337.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5340.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
金額已徵明確 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5342.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5345.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
這是哪一個法律的要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5346.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5347.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5350.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
預算法裡面剛剛主計長說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5350.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5353.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
它對追加預算提出有四個要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5354.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5357.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
他並沒有說一定要在哪一個程序之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5357.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
才能提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5358.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5359.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
但今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5360.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5362.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
追加預算的時間提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5362.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5365.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
總預算的通過在後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5365.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
問題在大院不在行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5367.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5371.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
是你們延誤了351天才造成這個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5371.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5373.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
況且追加預算的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5373.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5375.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
沒有在填補本力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5375.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5377.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
真的扯不完啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5377.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
因為那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5379.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5381.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
他的清覺的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5381.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5384.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
就是你的這個法案幾個都不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5384.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5385.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
不公告不執行嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5385.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5388.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
所以如果現在在主計處的回答就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5388.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5390.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
我立法院三讀通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5390.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5392.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
總統還沒有公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5392.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5394.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
那就是視為法律了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5394.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5395.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
正視法律了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5395.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
這是我們預算中心給你的第二波的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5399.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
再回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5399.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5400.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5403.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
追加預算我們提出的是穩定民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5404.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5405.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
增加社福條約 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5405.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5407.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
我都請你提一聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5407.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5410.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
沒有因為預算被刪除之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5410.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5412.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
來填補原來的本力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5412.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
那個等一下再談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5413.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5413.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5413.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
我從日期來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5415.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5417.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
我不曉得為什麼行政院那個期 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5417.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
9月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5419.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5420.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
如果我們公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5421.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5423.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
你現在9月19號送 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5423.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5424.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
都可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5425.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5425.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5426.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5427.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
你不急 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5427.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5428.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
我們很急 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5428.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
現在已經剩下兩個月三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5431.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
如果急 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5432.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
5433.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
急得要解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
5433.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
5436.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
要9月18號公佈之後才送嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].start |
5436.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
5437.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].text |
我現在只是講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
5437.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
5439.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
政院讓庭的簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
5439.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
5441.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
才差十天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
5441.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
5444.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
我們重點是要盡快把這幾項工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
5444.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
5446.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
能夠在追加預算通過之後做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
5446.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
5447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
事先準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
5447.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
5448.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
我都同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
5448.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
5451.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
但請遵照法定的程序啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
5451.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
5453.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
我們依照預算法裡面的要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
5453.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
5455.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
來提出這相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
5456.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
5457.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
5457.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
5459.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
但是符合預算法的四個要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
5459.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
5461.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
我現在不是說你不能提嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
5461.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
5462.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
我現在是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
5462.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
5464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
你就遵照程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
5464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
5466.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
從19號提8號到19號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
5467.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
5469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
再請主席講說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
5469.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
5471.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
是不是一定要在總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
5471.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
5473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
都完全三讀通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
5473.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
5475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
公佈之後我們才有依法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
5475.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
5476.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
才能夠提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
5476.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
5477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
我剛剛已經唸了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
5477.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
5479.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].text |
請回去看一下預算法第二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
5479.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
5481.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
跟79條第三款啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
5485.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
5486.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
好再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
5486.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
5490.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
我沒有否定你不可以提追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
5490.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
5491.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
我只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
5491.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
5493.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
你就19號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
5493.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
5494.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
18號公佈之後提 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
5495.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
5497.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
沒有差這五六鐵四 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
5497.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
5499.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
我們那個時候根本不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
5499.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
5501.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
大院要什麼時候送到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
5501.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
5502.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
把預算送過來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
5502.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
5504.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
9月初的時候我們知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
5504.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
5506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
我們都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
5506.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
5507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
所以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
5507.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
5509.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
我是說我們到9月18號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
5509.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
5511.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
這個我不跟你吵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
5511.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
5512.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
所以我是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
5512.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
5516.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
未來能夠先跟立法院溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
5516.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
5518.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
我們又不是你的立法局了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
5518.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
5519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
5519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
5521.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
8月14號三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
5521.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
5523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
我們一直等到9月初 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
5523.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
5525.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
還沒有看到預算書的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
5525.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
5526.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
我看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
5526.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
5528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
你現在圖的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
5528.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
5530.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
6076億的追加的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
5531.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
5533.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
來院長說你的名字叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
5537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
5539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
穩定民生社福加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
5539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
5542.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
追加預算你的稱呼是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
5542.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
5543.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
還有提升待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
5543.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
5545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
再後重建強化國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
5545.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
5547.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
還有提供兒童成長今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
5547.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
5548.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
5549.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
5550.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
反正呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
5550.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
5552.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
這個地方來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
5552.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
5555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
我們穩定民生社福加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
5555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
5557.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
強化國防等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
5557.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
5558.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
請問社福加碼多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
5559.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
5561.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
調整老農年金65億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
5561.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
5564.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
及國民年金215億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
5564.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
5569.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
及其他六大社福共振215億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
5569.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
5571.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
215億嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
5571.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
5573.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
佔3.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
5573.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
5575.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
穩定民生其中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
5575.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
5578.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
4213億佔了69.3% |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
5578.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
5579.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
接近7成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
5579.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
5582.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
其中都是能源嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
5582.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
5583.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
中油增資中油撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
5583.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
5584.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
台電撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
5584.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
5585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
LAPG相關嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
5585.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
5588.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
另外強化國防佔了24% |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
5588.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
5590.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
那我現在的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
5591.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
5594.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
真正在我們社福加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
5594.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
5597.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
是佔了3.5%而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
5597.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
5600.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
其他你的中油增資撥補 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
5600.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
5601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
台電撥補這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
5601.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
5603.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
總共佔了將近7成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
5603.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
5606.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
強化國防佔了24% |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
5607.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
5608.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
水 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
5608.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
5608.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
水 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
5609.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
5612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
你的社福加碼只佔一點點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
5612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
5614.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
even 而把提升大運 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
5614.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
5615.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
災後重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
5615.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
5617.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
而稍成長今天都給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
5617.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
5619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
雙方你算進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
5619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
5621.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
提升大於111億嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
5621.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
5623.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
災後重建70 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
5623.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
5625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
而稍成長今天3億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
5625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
5626.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
的前置金準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
5626.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
5628.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
那個加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
5628.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
5630 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
也差不多才將近 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
5630.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
5633.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
300多就是400 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
5635.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
5636.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
穩定民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
5636.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
5639.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
6千多億才佔400億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
5639.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
5641.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
社福加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
5641.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
5644.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
穩定物價是穩定全民的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
5644.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
5645.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
穩定社會的經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
5645.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
5647.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
你不能把它割裂為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
5647.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
5648.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
跟某一些人無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
5648.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
5652.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
那我們特別加重在社福加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
5652.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
5654.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
是在全民之外加重這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
5654.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
5655.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
那是往上加才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
5656.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
5657.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
穩定民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
5657.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].end |
5660.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
那個叫做替錯誤的能源政策買單 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
5660.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
5666.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
這個是比較現實的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
5666.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
5666.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
5666.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
5668.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
我現在的問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
5668.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
5670.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
你們常常又會用一個手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
5670.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
5671.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
一個手法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
5671.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
5673.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
就是情緒的雷索 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
5676.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
5677.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
5677.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
5679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
你們立法院最好在11月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
5679.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
5682.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
是趕快申過這樣子的作家預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
5682.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
5684.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
所以我們趕快9月初送出作家預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
5684.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
5686.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
如果不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
5687.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
5687.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
5688.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
5690.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
社福加碼就不見了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
5692.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
5696.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
你用3.5%的去綁架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
5696.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
5698.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].text |
其他的7成的% |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
5698.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
5700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].text |
是其中一部分不是綁架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
5700.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
5702.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
所以我們才急著把最佳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
5702.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
5703.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
我舉一個例子給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
5703.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
5704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
剛剛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
5704.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
5706.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].text |
跟我們拍照送出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
5707.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
5709.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
我要拿家用錢去買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
5709.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
5710.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
買飯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
5711.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
5712.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
老公也想買車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
5713.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
5715.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
把買車的錢包進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
5716.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
5719.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
然後接下來老婆說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
5719.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
5720.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].text |
哇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
5720.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
5722.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].text |
怎麼買菜錢膨脹那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
5722.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
5723.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
就一看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
5724.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
5725.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
除了買菜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
5725.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
5727.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
多了一些買車的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
5730.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
5731.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
老婆就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
5731.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
5732.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
菜錢可以給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
5732.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
5733.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
我可以給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
5734.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
5736.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
家庭民生生計所需 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
5737.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
5739.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
那買車的錢是不是可以說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
5740.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
5742.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
當然你講的理由都很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
5742.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
5744.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
市場很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
5744.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
5745.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
我要去集散市場買 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
5745.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
5746.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
所以我需要車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
5746.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
5748.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
摩托車載不了那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
5749.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
5750.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
聽起來有點道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
5751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
5753.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
但是買菜錢先給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
5754.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
5756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
車子我們可以再商量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
5756.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
5757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
沒有不讓你買 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
5757.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
5758.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
商量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
5758.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
5759.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
看是要多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
5759.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
5760.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
買什麼樣的車 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
5762.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
5763.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
5763.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
5764.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
老公跑出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
5764.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
5765.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
跟大家抱怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
5767.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
5768.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
我又沒意賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
5769.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
5771.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
我老婆又飯錢都不給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
5772.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
5774.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
他們都餓死我 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
5774.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
5775.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
我真的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
5776.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
5777.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
我老婆飯還沒吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
5779.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
5780.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
各位選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
5780.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
5781.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
菜極 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
5782 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
5783.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
佔3.5% |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
5787.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
5789.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
油跟電是每天都要用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
5789.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
5790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
它比較像是菜錢飯錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
5790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
5792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
我當然知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
5792.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
5793.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
我當然知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
5793.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
5793.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
5793.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
5795.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
你都講的很好聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
5795.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
5796.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
5796.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
5798.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
我沒有不給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
5798.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
5799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
我就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
5799.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
5800.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
既然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
5800.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
5802.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
受福之處是優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
5802.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
5804.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
那幹嘛要綁在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
5804.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
5805.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
然後用這樣的情緒勒索 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
5807.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
5808.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
那我就很討厭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
5808.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
5809.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
我們什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
5809.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
5810.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
5810.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
5811.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
不是綁在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
5811.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
5812.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
是增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
5812.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
5813.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
5813.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
5815.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
那你說分開算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
5815.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
5816.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
如果你的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
5816.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
5818.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
是只有受福之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
5818.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
5819.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
加上你其他那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
5819.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
5820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
重追添疊等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
5820.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
5822.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
400多億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
5822.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
5822.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
我們追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
5822.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
5824.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
我們馬上審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
5824.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
5824.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
我馬上通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
5826.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
5827.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
這也是一種勒索 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
5827.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
5828.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
哪有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
5828.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
5830.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
你說分高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
5830.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
5832.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
反正你的堆比真知 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
5832.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
5833.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
我們是一整套 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
5833.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
5836.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
電價升說不漲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
5836.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
5837.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
民生如果不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
5838.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
5840.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
電價也都不漲了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
5840.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
5841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
物價如果不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
5841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
5843.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
電價如果不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
5843.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
5845.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
全民都會受到傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
5845.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
5846.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
你們電價穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
5846.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
5847.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
會不是不漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
5847.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
5848.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
馬上年底都不漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
5849.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
5853.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
對那是因為我們送出了這個追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
5853.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
5854.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
5854.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
5856.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
你們電價的基準計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
5856.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
5858.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
都是有行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
5858.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
5859.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
立法院要給你撥補預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
5859.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
5860.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
這一條公示嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
5860.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
5863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
審議委員會做的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
5863.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
5865.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
對審議委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
5865.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
5867.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
電價計算公示裡頭有這一項嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
5867.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
5869.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
因為他們知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
5869.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
5870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
所以立法院沒有不給 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
5870.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
5872.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
你就要調漲電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
5872.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
5875.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
要看那個審議委員會的決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
5875.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
5877.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
我沒有辦法做決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
5877.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
5877.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
高高委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
5877.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
5879.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
每一週的油價 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
5879.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
5880.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
現在已經吸收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
5880.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
5882.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
中油吸收了超過200億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
5882.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
5884.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
每一週都在想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
5884.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
5885.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
要不要調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
5885.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
5886.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
調或不調 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
5886.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
5889.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
所以說大家要緊挖寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
5889.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
5892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
油價給凍結下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
5892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
5894.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
期待的就是有一個追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
5894.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
5896.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
能夠來讓中油的能源能夠正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
5896.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
5898.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
這個這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
5898.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
5900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
我們幫你追加預算可以好好討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
5900.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
5901.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
我只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
5901.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
5903.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
5903.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
5905.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
我覺得請分開 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
5905.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
5907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
好好的審慎處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
5907.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
5908.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
5908.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
5909.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
我很想問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
5909.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
5910.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
普發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
5910.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
5911.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
5911.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
5913.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
之前這個副總召也在問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
5913.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
5915.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
為什麼這個普發2萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
5915.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
5918.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
我當然也不是這樣看這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
5919.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
5921.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
我稍微去把你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
5921.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
5922.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
我們把我們的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
5922.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
5925.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
從110年我統計了5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
5925.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
5929.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
我們的稅入決算跟稅出決算的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
5929.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
5930.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
5930.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
5933.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
再加上我們超增速收的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
5935.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
5937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
我們可以看到110年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
5937.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
5938.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
稅入扣稅出的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
5938.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
5940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
有正的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
5940.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
5941.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
2979億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
5941.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
5944.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
111年是4993億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
5944.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
5947.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
112年是2796億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
5947.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
5949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
113年是3597億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
5949.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
5950.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
5950.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
5952.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
其實我們的稅入扣掉稅出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
5952.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
5953.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
基本上平均都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
5953.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
5956.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
3000億到4000億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
5956.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
5958.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
5000億左右之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
5958.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
5960.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
平均大概落在3000多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
5960.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
5962.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
我們超增稅收的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
5962.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
5964.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
大概普遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
5964.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
5965.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
也都是在3000多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
5966.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
5967.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
金額可能更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
5968.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
5970.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
那這個時候我們就看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
5970.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
5972.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
這5年我們的GDP |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
5972.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
5975.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
從21.77兆升到28.72兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
5975.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
5977.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
增加6.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
5977.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
5979.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
成長是32% |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
5979.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
5981.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
我們的稅入的增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
5981.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
5982.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
在這5年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
5982.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
5984.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
也大概增加約33% |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
5984.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
5988.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
大概跟我們的GDP成長的幅度差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
5988.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
5990.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
那我把政府的稅出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
5990.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
5990.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
算了一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
5990.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
5992.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
增加約40% |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
5993.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
5994.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
我們的政府很厲害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
5994.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
5996.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
花的錢在邊域算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
5996.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
5998.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
比賺的錢成長比例還要高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6000.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6002.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
這公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6002.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6003.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
我想要問院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6003.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6004.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
行政院到底有沒有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6004.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6006.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
財政紀律的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6006.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6009.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
就是說政府的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6009.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6011.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
沒有沒有我現在是問你標準公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6011.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
我們學理工的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6012.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6015.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
就是你的這個支出的上限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6015.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6016.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
有沒有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6017.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6019.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
到底是多少的一個棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6019.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6020.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
你不能說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6020.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6021.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
我才賺3塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6021.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6022.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
然後你花4塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6024.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
主計跟財政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6026.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6027.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
明年的中央生活總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6027.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6029.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
稅出稅入達到平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6029.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6032.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
3兆9,260是平衡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6032.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
我們並沒有超越 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6034.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6035.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
所以這個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6035.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6037.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
因為我們的GDP增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6037.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6039.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
我們是因為整個經濟發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6039.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
政府必須做更多的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6041.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
本身的投資跟協助民間的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6043.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6046.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
都要政府來做政策性的引導 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6046.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
那才會香港的要 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6047.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6049.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
我大陸都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6049.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6053.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
我的財務的概念跟投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6053.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6055.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
企業經營也不會比各位差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6055.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6057.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
我現在想問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6057.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6058.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6058.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6059.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
你們常常講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6059.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6061.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
就是下一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6061.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
你這個普發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6062.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6064.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
到底怎麼算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6064.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6067.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
因為我們會有既有的稅入稅出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6067.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6069.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
超收徵收的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6069.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6072.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
那超徵的金額基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6072.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6073.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
我們當然第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6073.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6075.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
我明年可以不用舉債 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6075.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6077.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
再來我一定要是還債 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6077.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6080 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
看你是還長債還短債 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6080 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6081.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
還是還本 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6081.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6083.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
然後接下來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6083.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6085.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
你這個才會納入到稅季的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6085.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
年度稅季的剩餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6091.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
年度的稅季剩餘才往下去說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6091.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6092.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
大部分我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6092.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6095.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
就是特別條例的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6095.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6096.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
不管是風災水災 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6096.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6098.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
或者是這個相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6098.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6099.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
一些的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6099.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6101.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
預算的特別預算來使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6102.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6104.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
我說問題是說這每一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6104.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6106.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
都有一個式子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6106.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
我想要知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6108 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6109.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
你們的參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6109.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6110.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
%數是怎麼定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6111.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6112.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
詳細數是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6112.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
不是說給他送 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6114.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6117.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
我們在第一次跟總統報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6117.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6118.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
民間住總預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6118.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
是沒有1萬塊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6123.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
這個主計跟財政應該清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6123.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6124.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
隨便一個回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6124.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6129.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
我們本來還債還的金額是比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6129.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6131.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
我們認為只要符合公債法就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6131.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
所以少還了大概200多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
另外把增加的稅收 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6136.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6137.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
大概600多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6138.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
6、7百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6141.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
另外我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6141.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6143.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
舉清環境沒有增加實質的債務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6143.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6146.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
就剛好是2370億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6146.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
這個部分來用在花1萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6150.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
不用主宰 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6150.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6152.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
我待過公司產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6152.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
我希望政府就跟我們產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6156.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
跟我們公司是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6156.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6156.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
事實上來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6156.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
你應該是要有一個參數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6160.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
參數當然你可以去調 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6160.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6163.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
我賺的錢超過多少金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6163.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6165.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
所以我就要決定我多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6165.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6167.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
起碼是不用借錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6167.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6169.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
我們再來就要決定是要還債 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6169.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6171.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我們沒有實質增加債務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6171.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
先聽我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6172.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6173.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
我是說我就是減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6173.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6175.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
就是不用舉債 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6175.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6175.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
再來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6175.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
我決定我要還債的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6177.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6179.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
還本還是還利 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6179.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6180.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
再來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6180.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6182.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
我才會有剩餘的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6182.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6183.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
那剩餘的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6183.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6185.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
一樣還是有一定的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6185.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6187.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
我是要留作風險的準備金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6187.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
還是我要投資我未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6190.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6191.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
因為我未來要擴產 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6191.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6193.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
未來要產生設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6193.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6195.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
剩下的哪些多少比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6195.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6198.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
我是要來發給股東的公司的鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6199.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6201.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
那我意思說政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6201.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6203.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
有沒有這樣子的一個模型 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6203.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6205.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
一個公式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6205.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
你不能每次都是憑感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6207 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6209.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
現在憑感覺一定有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6209.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
我以前打到的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6210.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
我也大部分贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6212.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6214.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
我們第一個是要依法必須先還債 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6214.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6217.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
Finance有Finance的model跟公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6217.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
我現在想要問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6218.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
政府在做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6220.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6221.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
不要憑感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6221.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6222.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
為什麼要講憑感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6222.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
來我問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6223.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6225.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
審計部說我們上半年超征多少金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6227.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
跟委員要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6229.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
4千多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6230.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
審計部說的 |
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6231.4 |
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6232.04 |
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其實第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6232.04 |
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6235.04 |
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他是用115年的預算案數 |
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6235.04 |
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6237.8 |
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但是通過的預算是 |
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6237.8 |
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6242.68 |
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整體的稅客收入是3兆零807億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6242.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6244.52 |
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而到8月為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6244.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
他其實是 |
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6245.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6247.72 |
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你來到是有訴訟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6247.72 |
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6248.52 |
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時間不夠了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6248.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
我們達到的預算數是67.7% |
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6252.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6255.4 |
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所以沒有所謂的超征的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6255.48 |
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6258.04 |
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目前預算都還在執行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6258.04 |
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6258.8 |
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目前來說 |
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6258.8 |
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6262.56 |
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只達到預算數的67.7%稅客收入 |
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6262.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6264.6 |
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所以你覺得不會超征 |
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6264.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6267.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
我們股市已經快上5萬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6267.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6267.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
沒有所謂的超征 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6267.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6269.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
昨天的成交基本上是1兆多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6269.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6272.04 |
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我們會按照預算數來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6272.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6273.6 |
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就實收數跟預算數來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6273.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6274.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
我有剛剛也跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6274.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6276 |
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過去的歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6276 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6278.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
我們每一年超征的稅收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6278.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6280.4 |
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基本上都到3、4千億以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6281.05 |
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6283.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
所以基本上來講的話是夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6283.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6285.61 |
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我覺得今年應該還是會超征到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6285.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6286.29 |
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特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6286.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6288.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
支應國際形勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6288.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6289.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
支應各種災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6289.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6290.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
我只是要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6290.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6292.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
所以扣掉環照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6292.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6294.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
扣掉你未來投資支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6294.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6296.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
你這些比預算出來是多少之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6296.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6299.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
你才不會被人家質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6299.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
為什麼可以普發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6303.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
你們普發1萬就是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6303.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6304.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
發OR衡量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6304.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
我們在野黨發錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6306.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6308.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
然後你就說我們窮台 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6308.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6310.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
委員你也要算收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6310.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6311.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
你要算支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6311.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6312.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
這兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6312.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6312.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
我知道啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6312.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6313.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
所以我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6313.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6316.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
你的公司你的家權要弄出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6316.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6318.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
你要讓大家可以清楚的看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6318.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6320.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
你會有多少比例是用在環照 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6320.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
多少比例是投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6322.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6323.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
投資未來這個東西未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6323.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6325.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
又可以增加幫政府收掉錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6325.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
這兩三年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6327.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6328.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
每一年稅收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6328.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6330.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
稅入跟支出的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6330.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
很清楚的擺在委員面前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6331.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6332.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
我的意思是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6332.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
回答我那個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6334.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6335.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
你現在下來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6335.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6336.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
人家才不會質疑你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6336.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6338.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
為什麼是普發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6338.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6340.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
為什麼不能普發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6340.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6342.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
為什麼不能普發2萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6342.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6345.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
為什麼不能普發1萬6800塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6345.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6346.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
1萬6800塊不是更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6346.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6347.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
一路發啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6347.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6349.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
我剛剛跟委員報告過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6349.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6350.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
不只台北升起來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6350.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6352.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
台北升起來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6352.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6354.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
台北升起來還好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6354.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6357.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
剩客稅收入的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6357.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6358.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6358.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6359.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
主委發1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6359.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6361.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
你要給我一個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6361.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6363.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
不然你永遠陷入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6363.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6364.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
大家在花錢是要給 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6365.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6366.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
你那1萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6366.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6367.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
你也說不出道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6367.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
我說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6369.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
國民黨也是說2萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6369.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6370.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
他也說他的道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6370.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6372.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
也說他的勢子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6372.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
那乾脆我再加碼一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6375.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
我們兩個折衷1萬6800 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6375.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6377.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
大家台灣一定發吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6377.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6378.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
你要發多少錢從哪裡來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6378.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6379.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
錢我就幫你算好啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6379.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
6381.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
我也可以算一本帳給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
6381.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
6382.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
你的錢都算不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
6382.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
6384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
為什麼我要算出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
6384.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
6384.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
這兩三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
6384.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
6385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
特別運算支出的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
6385.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
6386.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
委員都不算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
6386.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
6387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
因應國際情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
6387.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
6389.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
因應各個債後重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
6389.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
6391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
那你是算我們增加的稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
6391.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
6392.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
稅入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
6392.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
6393.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
我沒有要增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
6393.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
6394.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
我沒有說增加的稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
6394.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
6396.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
全部拿在用在發現金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
6396.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
6398.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
我們不是說有錢聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
6398.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
6399.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
不要搞錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
6399.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
6401.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
我剛才已經幫你上課了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
6401.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
6402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
所以我就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
6402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
6404.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
把公式參數調出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
6404.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
6408.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
你就可以比較有理直氣壯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
6408.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
6410.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
我們很心安理得的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
6410.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
6411.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
那個1萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
6411.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
6413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
講白了就是在花錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
6414.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
6416.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
這是以前的我的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
6416.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
6417.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
只是提供給你們參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
6417.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
6419.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
再來最後的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
6419.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
6421.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
我想要替馬太安西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
6426.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
6428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
馬太安西的這個災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
6428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
6429.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
因為我很關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
6429.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
6430.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
我也不是花蓮人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
6430.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
6431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
我也不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
6431.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
6432.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
我只是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
6432.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
6435.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
我是以前高雄氣爆的受災戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
6435.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
6436.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
所以我很理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
6436.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
6437.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
受災戶的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
6438.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
6438.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
6439.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
6440.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
那這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
6440.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
6442.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
我們特別預算也編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
6442.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
6444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
也開始來做執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
6444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
6446.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
那我在這上個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
6446.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
6448.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
我當任經紀人會召委的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
6448.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
6450.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
我5月4號去考察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
6450.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
6452.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
6月29號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
6452.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
6452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
我也去考察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
6454.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
6455.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
廣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
6456.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
6457.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
再要一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
6457.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
6459.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
播放一下當地的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
6462.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
6463.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
有聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
6466.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
6468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
那可能是照靈跟機身 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
6468.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
6470.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
這個正常好像在我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
6470.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
6472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
那個壯大信中的正常在補一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
6472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
6474.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
6年就做一萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
6474.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
6475.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
而且就是10萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
6475.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
6476.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
那是一公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
6476.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
6477.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
10萬我們幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
6477.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
6479.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
或是請大家看字幕也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
6479.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
6480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
可以連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
6480.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
6480.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
同去買 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
6480.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
6482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
該徵收的不徵收 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
6482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
6483.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
不該徵收的只用徵收價 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
6483.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
6485.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
或是搶百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
6485.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
6487.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
剛剛我隨便抽一顆雜招起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
6487.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
6488.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
大概只有半個手掌 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
6488.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
6489.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
那麼滿的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
6489.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
6491.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
那個離譜代表著我們的作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
6491.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
6492.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
沒有辦法往下站 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
6492.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
6495.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
像現在這個地又硬又黏又濕 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
6495.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
6496.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
某種程度上可以說是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
6496.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
6497.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
它是黏土 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
6497.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
6499.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
這樣的東西怎麼去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
6499.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
6500.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
那你現在看這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
6500.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
6502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
大概兩米多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
6502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
6504.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
應該是超過接近三米 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
6504.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
6505.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
讓土不要流進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
6505.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
6507.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
就是靠別沙包等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
6507.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
6508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
還有一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
6508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
6510.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
一直不斷的去清淤 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
6510.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
6513.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
要多少沙包才可以阻擋 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
6513.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
6514.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
這根本沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
6514.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
6515.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
阻石還在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
6515.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
6517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
這邊土是沒有清的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
6517.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
6519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
我們一直把地方架高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
6520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
6522.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
地方架高之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
6522.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
6523.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
我們會安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
6523.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
6525.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
你們有沒有考慮到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
6525.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
6526.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
我們蘑菇箱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
6526.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
6528.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
還有五條溪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
6528.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
6529.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
這個溪都很寬敞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
6531.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
6533.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
大家聽這些災民的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
6533.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
6534.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
再往下一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
6560.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
6561.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
這個是有在去考察的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
6561.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
6562.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
民旗村再往下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
6563.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
6565 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
這邊的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
6565 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
6567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
我這一張投影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
6567 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
6568.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
我會再發給 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
6568.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
6568.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
公共工程會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
6568.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
6570.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
農業部跟經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
6570.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
6571.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
6571.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
6572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
6572.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
6575.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
到現在都還沒有完全的解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
6575.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
6577.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
不管是農民的生計 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
6577.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
6579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
因為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
6579.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
6580.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
還有一些災後的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
6580.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
6582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
我們都希望迅速到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
6582.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
6583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
6583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
6583.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
6583.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
6584.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
6584.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
6585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
我們剛剛災民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
6585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
6587.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
各種的聲音跟意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
6587.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
6587.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
6599.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
6600.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
謝謝洪委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
6600.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
6601.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
6603.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
6605.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
發言會休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
6606.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
6607.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
休息之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
6607.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
6608.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
繼續進行質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
6608.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
6609.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7237.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7239.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
發言會現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7240.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7243.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
請王委員易川質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7243.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7244.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7244.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7246.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
現在在我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7246.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7249.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
異場二樓旁聽洗的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7249.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7251.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
台北市成功高中的同學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7251.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7252.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
我們在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7252.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
歡迎他們到立法院參訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7254.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7255.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7265.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7267.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
好 謝謝副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7267.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7269.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
我們現在請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7269.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7270.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7270.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7271.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7271.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
教育部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7274.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
等一下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7274.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
法務部或衛福部的題目 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7275.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
如果需要再上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7277.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7277.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
有需要再上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7278.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7279.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7284.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7286.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
好 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7287.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7291.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
我今天最主要是要談校園的課題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7292.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7295.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
接下來院外防治法修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7295.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7297.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
會有一條叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7297.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7299.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
持有電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7299.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7301.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
要罰錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
7301.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7301.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
題目是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7301.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7302.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7302.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
持有電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7304.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7306.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
要罰3到10萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7307.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7308.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
那現在校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7308.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7310.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
部長還是院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7310.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7311.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
我們的校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7311.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7312.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
準備好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7313.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7314.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
協委員關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7314.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7316.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
確實我們過去因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7316.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7317.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
電子煙這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7317.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7319.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
本來在高級中等學校以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7319.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7322.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
就有一個處理的流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7322.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7322.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7322.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7323.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
但是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7323.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7326.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
當時我們從一個比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7326.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7328.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
教育的一個觀點來輔導學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7328.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7330.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
能夠研擬這些煙毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7330.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7331.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
那新的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7331.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
魚害防治法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7332.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7334.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
現在在立法院審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
7334.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
它確實有這樣的一個規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7338.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
我們也會跟這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7338.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].end |
7341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].text |
所謂的學生家長團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].start |
7341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].end |
7343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2292].text |
還有相關的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7343.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].end |
7344.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].text |
我們來看怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].start |
7344.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].end |
7346.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
還沒問好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].start |
7346.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7347.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
問完了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].start |
7348.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].end |
7350.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2296].text |
這個部分我們也已經在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].start |
7350.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].end |
7351.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2297].text |
包含 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].start |
7351.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].end |
7352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2298].text |
對用過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].start |
7352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].end |
7355.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2299].text |
因為我們擔心這一個煙毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].start |
7355.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].end |
7357.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2300].text |
有放那個收集盒了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].start |
7359.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].end |
7362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2301].text |
這一個未來大概我們會希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].start |
7362.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].end |
7364.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2302].text |
在這裡邊先鼓勵同學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].start |
7364.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].end |
7365.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2303].text |
如果只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].start |
7365.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
7366.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].text |
衛福部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].start |
7366.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
7367.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].text |
只有就能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].start |
7367.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].end |
7368.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2306].text |
衛福部長先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].start |
7368.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
7369.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
先能夠防他繳交 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
7369.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
7371.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
我們有做一些收集盒嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
7371.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
7373.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
跟委員報告我們已經先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
7373.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
7375.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].text |
設計好那個回收盒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
7375.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
7376.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
還沒開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
7376.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
7377.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
7377.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
7380.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
散布由各地 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
7380.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
7383.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].text |
縣市政府去配置點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
7383.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
7384.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
現在主要是配置在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
7384.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
7386.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
衛生所跟我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].start |
7386.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
7388.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
公務體系比較相關的點去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
7388.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
7390.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
OK好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
7390.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
7391.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
最主要是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
7392.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
7393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
我們的電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].start |
7393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
7394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
一開始當然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
7394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
7395.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
因為我們的防治法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
7395.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
7397.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
裡面新料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
7397.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
7400.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
政府就會來設置相關的回收桶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].start |
7400.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
7402.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
這整個月是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].start |
7402.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
7404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
整個月以後通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
7404.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
7405.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
你歡迎通過之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].start |
7406.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
7408.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
你如果持有就發錢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].start |
7408.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
7410.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
不只吸食持有就發錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
7410.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
7411.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
7411.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
7412.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
問題來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].start |
7412.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
7413.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].start |
7414.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
7415.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
校園的小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
7415.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
7416.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
他帶電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
7416.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
7418.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
他可能是好奇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].start |
7418.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
7420 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
他帶的第一塊塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].start |
7420.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
7422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
阿雄可能是素杰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
7423.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
7424.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
給他隔壁來數一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
7424.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
7426.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
下課的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
7426.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
7428.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
是操場的派拿球來數一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
7428.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
7430.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
現在教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].start |
7430.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
7432.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
認為這件事情要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].start |
7434.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
7435.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].text |
我想我們教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
7435.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
7436.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].start |
7436.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
7437.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
我們事實上現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
7437.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
7439.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
每年都會入班去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
7439.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
7441.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
這個宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].start |
7441.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
7443.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
然後包含這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].start |
7443.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
7444.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
一定要讓同學知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
7444.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
7445.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
現在的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
7445.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
7446.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
它是禁止的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].start |
7446.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
7447.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
所以你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].start |
7447.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
7448.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
基本上你如果持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].start |
7448.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
7450.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
你就變成已經違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
7450.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
7451.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
違法要怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
7451.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
7452.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
來部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
7452.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
7454.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
那個現場違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
7454.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
7458.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
我們過去當然就是先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
7458.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
7461.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
在法令還沒有通過之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].start |
7461.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
7462.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
我們大概都 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
7462.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
7463.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
老師就先幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
7463.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
7464.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
老師喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
7464.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
7467.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
那我今天要問的就是老師啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
7468.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
7470.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
學校有一些是幫派份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
7470.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
7472.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
這個部長你也清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
7472.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
7474.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
國中高中有一些幫派份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
7475.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
7476.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
那孩子啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
7476.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
7478.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
電子煙滴到褲子了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
7481.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
7483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
老師說你怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
7483.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
7484.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
怎麼太電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
7485.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
7486.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
我不能戴啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
7487.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
7488.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
7488.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
7489.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
你很壞喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
7489.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
7490.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
我不能戴喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
7491.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
7492.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
我有心事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
7494.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
7496.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
老師你很壞耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
7496.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
7497.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
我講話是幫派份子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
7497.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
7498.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
用這種口氣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
7499.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
7501.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
我們第一現場的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
7501.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
7502.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
我們要處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
7502.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
7503.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
部長你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
7503.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
7505.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
我們教學現場的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
7505.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
7506.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
7506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
7507.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
所以也跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
7507.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
7509.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
感謝委員的一個關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
7509.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
7510.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
我們確實在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
7510.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
7513.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
從這一個月10月1號開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
7513.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
7516.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
我們就地方全國的這個國中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
7516.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
7518.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
因為我們高中本來就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
7518.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
7519.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
校安這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
7519.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
7522.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
校安人員這個協創人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
7522.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
7523.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
那國中這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
7523.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
7524.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
過去是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
7524.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
7526.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
好我知道你們在國中會加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
7526.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
7527.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
7527.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
7528.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
是是就是校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].start |
7528.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].end |
7529.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2397].text |
來你們看這一張啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
7529.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].end |
7532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].text |
校園裡頭會出現這些東西啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
7533.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].end |
7534.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
你啦炸到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
7535.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].end |
7536.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
炸青啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
7537.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].end |
7538.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].text |
這一定是報警了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].start |
7539.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].end |
7540.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2402].text |
你啦炸到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
7541.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].end |
7542.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
7542.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].end |
7543.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].text |
他啦炸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].start |
7543.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].end |
7544.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2405].text |
冰人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
7545.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].end |
7546.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].text |
炸玩具槍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].start |
7547.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].end |
7549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2407].text |
炸獨步器具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
7549.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].end |
7552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].text |
現在還炸另外一種叫電子煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
7552.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].end |
7554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].text |
我現在畫了這一個九宮格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
7554.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
7556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].text |
對教育部來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
7556.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].end |
7558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].text |
這要怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
7558.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].end |
7559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
那條界線是對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
7559.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
7561.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
我們第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
7561.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].end |
7565.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].text |
不要去讓學校教學現場的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
7565.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].end |
7566.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].text |
去處理這條 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].start |
7567.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].end |
7568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2416].text |
老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
7568.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].end |
7570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].text |
老師現在沒辦法處理這 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
7570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
7571.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].text |
那孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
7572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
7573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].text |
各自各樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
7573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
7574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].text |
你要叫老師說來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
7574.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].end |
7576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].text |
你的書包裡面有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
7576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].end |
7577.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].text |
我現在要跟你搶 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
7577.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].end |
7578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].text |
現在老師沒有啦要做這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
7578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].end |
7579.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
這個要給付的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
7580.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].end |
7583.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
問題是以前這有可能就在他的書包裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
7583.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].end |
7585.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
在他的身上嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
7585.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
7587.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].text |
來這個教育部現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
7587.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
7589.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
跟全國的老師說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
7589.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
7591.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
你如果知道有同學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
7591.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
7592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
A同學說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
7592.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].end |
7593.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].text |
跟老師說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
7593.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
7595.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
那個B同學的包包裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
7595.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
7596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].text |
有這些東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
7596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
7598.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
老師怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
7599.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
7600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
7600.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
7603.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
我們確實就是在國中最效安人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
7604.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
7607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].text |
增加兩千名的這個效安人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
7607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
7609.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
就是希望來協助老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
7609.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
7611.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
當有學生有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
7611.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
7613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
類似這樣的攜帶一些違禁品的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
7613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
7616.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
能夠有效安的人力能夠協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
7616.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
7618.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
到地線上馬上來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
7618.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
7620.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
老師做這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
7620.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
7621.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
現在有這一張表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
7621.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
7622.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
這張圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
7622.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
7623.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
7623.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
7625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
高級中學以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
7625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
7628.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
學校電子院的處理流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
7629.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
7630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
發現以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
7630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
7632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
你們的設計原來就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
7632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
7634.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
這電子院就先保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
7634.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
7636.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
進行校安的通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
7636.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
7638.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
評估學生的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
7638.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
7640.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
那如果他確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
7640.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
7642.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
這個電子院裡頭有這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
7642.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
7644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
毒品的成分體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
7644.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
7645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
就無端無彎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
7645.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
7647.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
就不怕不同的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
7648.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
7650.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
你今天要把學生叫他扣掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
7650.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
7651.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
那個電子院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
7651.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
7652.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
K出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
7652.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
7653.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
這句話什麼開口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
7654.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
7655.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
7655.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
7657.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
報告委員我分幾個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
7658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
7660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
學校衛生法只規定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
7660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
7661.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
禁止吸煙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
7661.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
7663.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
禁止電子煙等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
7663.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
7665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
他並沒有把它強制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
7665.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
7666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
現在我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
7666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
7668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
《厭害防治法》正在大院審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
7668.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
7669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
會把電子院持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
7669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
7671.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
當作一種違法的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
7671.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
7673.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
再下來就是如果從 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
7673.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
7674.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
他被我們看到被老師看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
7674.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
7676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
當然我們依法有據未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
7676.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
7677.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
卻可以把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
7677.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
7679.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
抹走或是他主動提來繳交 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
7679.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
7681.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
誰去把他抹走 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
7681.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
7682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
現在就是他如果是放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
7682.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
7684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
書包放在隱密的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
7684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
7685.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
目前來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
7685.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
7686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
我講整個氛圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
7686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
7688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
大概很難去對學生做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
7688.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
7689.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
身上上的碰觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
7689.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
7692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
或是甚至說類似搜索 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
7692.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
7694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
那我們也不可能像電視演的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
7694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
7695.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
那個鐵拳教育一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
7695.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
7696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
有這樣的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
7696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
7697.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
所以我們希望教安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
7697.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
7699.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
未來我們現在雖然成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
7699.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
7700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
所謂村徽小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
7700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
7702.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
這應該是比較靜態的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
7702.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
7703.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
一個輔導措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
7703.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
7705.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
未來這個教安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
7705.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
7706.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
如何執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
7706.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
7709.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
在教育部把這個人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
7709.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
7711.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
人數人員配置之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
7711.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
7712.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
他會做一個教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
7712.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
7713.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
行前的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
7713.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
7714.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
之前的教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
7715.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
7717.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
這個院長講的很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
7717.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
7718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
就是說這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
7718.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
7720.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
要請教校安人員去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
7720.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
7722.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
目前是這樣的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
7730.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
7732.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
我沒辦法去開嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
7732.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
7734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
老師沒去開這個嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
7734.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
7735.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
你電子院拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
7736.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
7739.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
如果要打斷就崩壞分子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
7739.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
7740.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
他說老師你很壞喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
7740.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
7741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
這樣好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
7741.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
7742.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
7743.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
7744.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
7744.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
7745.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
你不要增加老師的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
7745.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
7747.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
好那現在國家決定用教安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
7748.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
7750.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
那校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
7750.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
7752.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
校安人員去跟他要的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
7752.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
7753.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
他會交出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
7754.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
7755.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
他不交了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
7756.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
7757.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
部長您告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
7757.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
7758.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
校安人員不交 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
7758.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
7759.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
在校園裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
7761.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
7763.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
如果這個校安人員的動作過當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
7763.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
7764.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
過當 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
7764.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
7765.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
7765.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
7766.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
你給我拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
7767 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
7768 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
不拿出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
7768 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
7769 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
7769.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
7770.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
他也不是警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
7770.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
7771.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
也不是什麼都不是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
7772.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
7773.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
後面喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
7773.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
7775.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
今天這個校安人員面臨 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
7775.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
7779.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
這個幫派分子學生的家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
7780.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
7782.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
這幫派分子海星的家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
7782.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
7783.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
可你也是幫派分子捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
7784.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
7786.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
這幫派分子的校安人員呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
7787.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
7789.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
他也跟你們去告這個校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
7790.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
7791.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
這邊要處理部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
7792.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
7793.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
部長您有什麼看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
7794.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
7795.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
7795.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
7798.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
我們在委員會審查過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
7798.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
7800.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
以後對這個來進行討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
7800.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
7801.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
那當時候大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
7801.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
7803.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
我們的設計上就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
7804.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
7805.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
7805.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
7807.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
老師沒有辦法暫時保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
7807.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
7809.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
因為他只是暫時保管 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
7809.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
7811.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
最後還是要有執法人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
7811.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
7812.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
執法人員就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
7812.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
7815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
暫時這招你做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
7815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
7817.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
是由我們衛生局的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
7817.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
7818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
稽查人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
7818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
7820.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
就是電子煙害防治行的稽查人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
7820.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
7822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
或者是警察來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
7822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
7823.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
然後最後把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
7823.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
7825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
交易現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
7825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
7826.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
我記一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
7826.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
7827.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
假如我先學一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
7827.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
7829.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
譬如說加印現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
7829.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
7831.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
今天早上五點通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
7832.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
7833.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
好 五點通報是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
7833.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
7834.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
待會兒通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
7834.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
7836.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
我們的衛生局的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
7836.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
7838.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
沒有資料處理這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
7838.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
7839.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
皮以本命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
7840.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
7842.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
你說叫衛生處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
7842.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
7843.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
7843.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
7844.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
他可能是海邊的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
7844.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
7846.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
可能是山頂的筆記 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
7846.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
7848.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
就是這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
7848.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
7849.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
7849.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
7850.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
我剛剛講完這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
7850.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
7852.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
我們每次下課都會用這個感染解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
7852.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
7855.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
下課警察衛生局會去用這個感染解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
7855.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
7857.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
校園因為有學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
7857.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
7858.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
7858.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
7860.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
那學生這個校園裡頭的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
7860.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
7861.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
學生的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
7862.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
7863.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
學生的這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
7863.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
7865.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
我希望院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
7865.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
7868.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
是不是看什麼人來整合一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
7868.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
7870.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
因為這個跟教育部有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
7870.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
7872.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
衛福部也有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
7872.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
7873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
當然我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
7873.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
7874.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
煙害防治法修法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
7874.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
7876.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
我們一定會要求校園裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
7876.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
7878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
加強對學生宣導說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
7878.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
7880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
以後是不能持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
7880.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
7881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
這個一定要先灌輸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
7881.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
7882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
對 這樣先處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
7882.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
7883.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
7883.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
7884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
我再講一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
7884.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
7887.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
不要讓學校的老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
7887.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
7888.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
增加負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
7888.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
7890.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
現在老師很可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
7892.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
7893.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
7893.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
7894.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
7894.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
7895.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
7895.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
7896.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
7896.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
7897.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
7897.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
7898.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
7898.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
7899.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
7899.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
7900.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
7900.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
7901.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
7901.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
7902.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
7902.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
7903.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
7903.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
7904.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
7904.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
7905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
7905.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
7906.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
7906.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
7907.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
7907.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
7908.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
7908.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
7909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
7909.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
7910.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
7910.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
7911.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
7911.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
7912.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
7912.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
7913.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
7913.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
7914.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
7914.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
7915.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
7915.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
7916.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
7916.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
7917.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
7917.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
7918.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
7918.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
7919.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
7919.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
7920.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
教育部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
7910.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
7913.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
校安人員會不會以後成為校安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
7914.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
7917.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
校安人員也有不適任的退場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
7917.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
7919.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
對 我們現在對校安人員的進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
7920.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
7921.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
進場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
7921.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
7922.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
有什麼機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
7923.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
7924.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
7924.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
7926.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
我們目前規劃的校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
7926.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
7928.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
當然有地方來臨聘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
7928.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
7931.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
但是他至少在臨聘的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
7931.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
7933.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
他有一些規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
7933.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
7935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
譬如說教育人員任用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
7935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
7938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
違反37條裡邊的相關規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
7938.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
7939.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
他是不行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
7939.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
7942.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
那當然他也必須要在應聘之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
7942.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
7944.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
前三個月有一些警察 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
7944.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
7945.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
所謂的良民證類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
7945.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
7947.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
等等的許多積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
7947.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
7949.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
跟預防的一些條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
7949.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
7951.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
那第二個就進來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
7951.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
7953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
我們也每這個半年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
7953.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
7955.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
至少每半年會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
7955.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
7956.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
不是 王老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
7956.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
7957.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
我解釋問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
7957.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
7959.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
這校安人員在五年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
7961 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
7962 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
涉及性傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
7963.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
7965.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
後來緩起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
7965.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
7966.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
不起訴 緩起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
7967.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
7969.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
他有沒有可能成為校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
7970.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
7973.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
以目前這個教育人員任用條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
7973.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
7975.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
假設他是輕微的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
7975.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
7977.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
他變成在四年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
7977.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
7979.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
過四年以後他是具有資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
7979.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
7982.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
但是我想那都是消極的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
7982.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
7984.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
我們學校在遴選這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
7984.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
7986.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
校安人員他一定是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
7986.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
7988.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
有一個更積極的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
7988.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
7990.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
譬如說這個人他是有一些法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
7990.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
7991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
一些背景知識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
7991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
7993.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
他有一些心理輔導 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
7993.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
7994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
等等相關的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
7994.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
7996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
他也知道怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
7996.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
7997.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
部長我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
7997.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
7998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
我現在就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
7998.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
7999.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
我剛剛舉那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
7999.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
8001.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
一般校安人員這都沒問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
8001.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
8003.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
很多人願意來投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
8003.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
8005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
那第一個就有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
8005.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
8006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
這個校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
8006.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
8008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
因為我剛剛講光 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
8008.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
8009.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
你的電子煙扣在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
8009.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
8010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
他去把我拔出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
8010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
8012.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
光講這句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
8013.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
8015.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
這校安人員本身也有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
8016.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
8018.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
因為他有可能說一說之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
8018.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
8020.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
那個阿弟啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
8019.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
8020.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
下課的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
8020.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
8022.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
叫他們把幫拜訪者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
8022.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
8024.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
到門口等著找那個校安人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
8024.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
8026.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
說你今天是在把我們家打什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
8026.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
8028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
我這個校安人員也有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
8028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
8030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
校安人員本身也有風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
8030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
8031.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
第二個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
8031.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
8034.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
校安人員如果過去的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
8034.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
8036.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
在我們現在消極的條件之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
8036.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
8038.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
你積和不到他 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
8038.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
8040.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
後來事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
8040.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
8041.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
假設他又在學校裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
8041.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
8043.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
又搞這些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
8043.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
8044.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
後來才發現說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
8044.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
8045.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
原來他五年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
8045.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
8046.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
六年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
8046.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
8047.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
七年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
8047.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
8049.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
曾經也做過同樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
8050.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
8051.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
我要談的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
8051.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
8054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
請部裡頭對這些資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
8054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
8056.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
恐怕重新解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
8056.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
8058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
讓我們家庭放心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
8058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
8060.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
謝謝委員提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
8060.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
8062.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
我想這我們一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
8062.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
8064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
跟地方教育局處 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
8064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
8068.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
地方政府有非常密切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
8068.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
8070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
意見上的一個共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
8070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
8072.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
另外一個就是剛才委員所提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
8072.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
8074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
其實我們現在特別在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
8074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
8076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
中學國高中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
8076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
8078.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
大概學校裡邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
8078.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
8080.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
都跟地方的一個派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
8080.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
8084.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
都有一個緊急的一些熱線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
8084.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
8086.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
也就是說學校有一些比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
8086.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
8088.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
如委員所提的這些比較重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
8088.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
8090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
或者偶發的視線 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
8090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
8091.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
8091.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
8093.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
你說的就是地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
8093.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
8096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
我是希望今天院長提的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
8096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
8098.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
因為有一些狀況是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
8098.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
8100.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
地方的家長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
8100.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
8104.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
他可能就是地方的惡霸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
8106.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
8108.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
你怎麼申訴申訴到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
8108.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
8112.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
就要被這個惡霸出來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
8112.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
8114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
給教育局 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
8114.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
8116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
縣市教育局壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
8116.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
8118.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
處理不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
8118.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
8120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
我們的老師在第一教學現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
8120.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
8122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
有時候要回去找 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
8122.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
8124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
所以我最後具體建議兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
8124.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
8126.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
第一個讓教師能夠檢壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
8127.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
8129.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
教育部要成立一個專責的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
8129.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
8132.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
不管你要單位機構還是系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
8132.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
8134.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
8134.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
8136.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
在中小學老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
8136.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
8138.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
你要支援他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
8138.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
8140.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
現在的狀況是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
8140.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
8143.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
中小學老師在學校裡頭投訴無門 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
8143.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
8145.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
來教育部的email都這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
8145.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
8147.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
關頭訊息回來回去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
8147.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
8149.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
你去問地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
8149.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
8150.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
地方就說沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
8150.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
8151.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
查了就沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
8151.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
8153.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
要給第一線的老師資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
8153.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
8155.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
而且要由中央來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
8155.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
8156.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
不要透過地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
8156.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
8158.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
透過地方會有很複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
8158.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
8159.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
綿密的關係在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
8159.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
8160.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
這第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
8160.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
8161.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
8161.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
8163.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
校安要進場處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
8163.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
8164.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
我剛剛提的那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
8164.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
8165.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
包括電子業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
8165.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
8166.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
包括相關的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
8166.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
8167.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
因為是在校園裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
8167.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
8169.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
不是在我們一般社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
8169.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
8172.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
要去建立一個可執行的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
8172.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
8173.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
否則的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
8173.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
8176.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
你們那個流程表畫得再好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
8176.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
8179.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
最後那個老師不敢出口出手 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
8179.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
8181.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
校安人員連去問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
8181.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
8183.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
你的電子業把我搞出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
8183.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
8184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
他都不敢開口的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
8184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
8187.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
這個機制現場無法執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
8187.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
8188.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
就不好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
8188.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
8189.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
以上把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
8193.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
8195.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
謝謝王永元 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
8197.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
8198.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
再會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
8201.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
8204.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
法院會現在在一廠二樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
8204.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
8206.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
貴賓席的是來自於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
8206.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
8207.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
歐洲國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
8207.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
8210.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
歐洲重要價值夥伴計畫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
8210.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
8212.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
青年禮秀團的團員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
8212.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
8215.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
我們在這邊歡迎他們大立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
8215.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
8216.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
Welcome |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
8218.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
8220.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
下一位我們請 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
8220.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
8222.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
馬文君委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
8235.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
8236.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
8236.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
8240.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
麻煩請院長還有僑委會委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
8240.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
8244.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
主委院長還有僑委會委員長請備行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
8254.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
8255.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
8255.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
8256.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
院長早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
8260.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
8264.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
院長我們接下來已經要審總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
8264.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
8269.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
那今天其實有很多的新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
8269.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
8275.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
其實大概對於我們僑委會委員長在相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
8275.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
8279.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
不管是我們可能在公共車輛的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
8279.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
8282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
或者在預算的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
8282.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
8287.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
或者向家人參與我們很多公共行程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
8287.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
8291.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
這個部分是不是給委員長一點點時間來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
8291.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
8292.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
謝謝請委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
8292.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
8294.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
簡單說明好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
8294.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
8296.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
感謝馬召偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
8296.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
8299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
自此我們在公務預算上的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
8299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
8303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
一切都是按照過去相關的法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
8303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
8305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
所以包括今年以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
8305.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
8311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
例行性的監察院審計部來檢查之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
8311.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
8315.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
民眾黨的委員還特別要求他們再來檢查一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
8315.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
8319.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
所以我們事實上在兩三個月內被檢查了兩遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
8319.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
8323.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
兩遍的檢查都很清楚的證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
8323.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
8325.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
所有一切都是依法辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
8325.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
8327.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
沒有任何圖利個人或有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
8328.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
8330.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
圖利私人的情事發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
8330.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
8335.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
所以這些資料我們一直從2020年一直查到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
8335.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
8338.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
所以我在這邊可以跟委員做以上的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
8338.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
8341.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
對於我們在過去對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
8341.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
8345.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
像外交像僑務的相關的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
8345.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
8348.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
其實我們都盡量的去協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
8348.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
8351.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
然後也讓大家可以順利的去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
8351.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
8353.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
可是如果面臨到這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
8353.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
8355.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
尤其在很多的預算上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
8355.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
8357.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
剛剛委員長有做簡單的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
8357.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
8360.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
我們希望後續可以提供更詳細的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
8360.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
8365.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
因為內外的分際還有公司必須要很明確的分明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
8365.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
8369.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
因為這必須要對所有我們的人民去做交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
8369.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
8371.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
因為我們在預算不斷增加的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
8371.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
8373.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
我們還是每一分每一好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
8373.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
8376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
人民的納稅錢都應該要好好的去掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
8376.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
8378.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
然後去拿捏他的分寸 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
8378.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
8381.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
接下來我想要請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
8381.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
8383.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
委員長可以請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
8383.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
8385.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
接下來我想要請教院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
8385.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
8387.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
因為我們接下來要審的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
8387.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
8390.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
116年度中央政府的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
8390.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
8394.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
我想要先請您看看這兩個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
8395.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
8398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
105年度稅出的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
8398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
8401.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
有一兆9760億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
8401.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
8403.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
到了116年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
8403.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
8407.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
我們稅出大概3兆9266億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
8407.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
8409.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
10年幾乎整整多了一倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
8410.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
8413.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
我們不是拿這個數字來批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
8413.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
8416.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
這是行政院自己拿來宣傳的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
8416.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
8418.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
行政院秘書長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
8418.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
8421.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
稅出的規模翻倍代表台灣國力成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
8422.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
8424.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
院長預算增加一倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
8424.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
8426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
就代表國力增加一倍嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
8426.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
8428.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
如果這個邏輯可以成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
8428.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
8430.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
那治國真的就太簡單了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
8430.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
8433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
因為明年我們可以編4兆5千億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
8433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
8435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
我們國力又增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
8435.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
8436.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
後年我們編5兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
8436.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
8438.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
那我們是不是又更強 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
8438.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
8440.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
我們現在要看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
8440.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
8442.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
今天立法院在審預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
8442.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
8445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
我們不是只看今年編多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
8445.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
8447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
而是我們過去花的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
8447.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
8449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
到底解決了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
8449.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
8451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
這十年來我們增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
8451.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
8453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
近兩兆元的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
8453.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
8455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
我們想要請教的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
8455.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
8458.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
我們少子化到底解決了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
8458.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
8460.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
然後勞保的財務結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
8460.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
8461.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
解決了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
8462.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
8465.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
健保的財務壓力解決了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
8465.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
8468.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
我們閒置的公共設施減少了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
8469.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
8472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
還有我們能遠離遇到國際危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
8472.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
8475.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
還要不要拿幾千億出來補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
8476.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
8479.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
或者我們國防採購的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
8479.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
8482.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
有沒有因為採購量變大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
8482.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
8484.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
或我們國防的預算增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
8484.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
8487.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
而讓我們的戰力變得更強大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
8487.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
8490.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
這些都是我們想要討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
8490.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
8493.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
或者應該要去重視的預算編列的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
8493.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
8494.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
一個實質內涵 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
8494.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
8496.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
所以預算增加的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
8496.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
8499.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
我們現在看起來好像遠遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
8499.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
8502.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
超過我們問題消失的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
8502.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
8505.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
這是我們今天想要初步做探討的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
8505.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
8507.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
8月20日行政院正式通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
8507.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
8509.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
116年度總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
8509.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
8514.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
宣布整體國防預算一兆1225億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
8514.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
8518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
不到半個月9月3日又提出追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
8518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
8522.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
國防的部分也篩進了1457億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
8523.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
8525.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
到了9月23日 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
8525.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
8529.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
總統又把明年國防預算喊到超過1.3兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
8530.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
8532.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
總預算剛過 追加預算馬上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
8533.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
8534.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
8535.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
8539.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
看起來好像這個預算只要能夠送進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
8539.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
8542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
不管用什麼樣的方式然後不斷的加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
8542.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
8544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
年度預算屢創新高還不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
8544.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
8547.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
特別預算也年年編 編得不足不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
8547.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
8549.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
我們又提追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
8549.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
8553.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
我們看看這幾年的時間是增加了非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
8554.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
8560.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
這3兆9266億事實上真的是國家今年全部的帳嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
8560.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
8564.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
因為我們還有相關的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
8564.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
8567.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
還有追加預算 還有基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
8567.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
8569.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
還有跨年度已經承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
8569.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
8573.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
可是未來必須要付款的這些相關的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
8573.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
8575.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
這些其實才是總帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
8575.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
8579.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
所以在這裡我們看到這一次的追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
8579.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
8582.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
又放了6076億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
8582.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
8584.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
其中中有增資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
8584.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
8586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
大概有2338億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
8586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
8590.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
能源跟民生措施大概1875億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
8590.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
8593.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
國防也占了1457億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
8593.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
8595.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
當我們看到這些的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
8595.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
8596.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
8598.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
8600.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
把它拆成三部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
8600.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
8602.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
8602.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
8605.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
院長有沒有一個簡要的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
8605.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
8606.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
像這樣的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
8606.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
8607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
我們不斷不斷的編 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
8607.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
8608.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
我們增加了那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
8608.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
8611.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
我們剛剛講的這些問題到底有沒有解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
8611.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
8614.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
好 首先委員剛剛第一張的圖卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
8614.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
8617.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
10年來預算倍增 國力倍增 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
8617.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
8621.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
那不代表明年預算再倍增 國力就會倍增 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
8621.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
8624.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
那是用10年的時間大家努力出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
8624.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
8627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
每年就持續的緩緩的上升 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
8627.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
8629.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
即使要國力倍增一倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
8629.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
8631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
也不一定預算倍增一倍就夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
8631.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
8633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
那是要持續累積的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
8633.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
8635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
這個你看到是10年不是一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
8635.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
8638.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
在您提到的這個少子化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
8638.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
8640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
就是因為我們看到少子化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
8640.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
8643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
是全世界現在人口減少的未來的一個趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
8643.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
8644.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
不僅台灣如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
8644.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
8647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].text |
其他世界大部分的國家都如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
8647.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
8649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
除非是那個比較開發中的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
8649.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
8651.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
所以我們就提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
8652.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
8654.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
人口對策新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
8654.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
8656.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
這是總統所提出的人口對策新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
8656.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
8659.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
希望從不僅從生育而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
8659.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
8662.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
從托育 從教育 從居住 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
8663.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
8665.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
職場都全面來調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
8665.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
8666.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
讓大家能夠運一身 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
8666.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
8668.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
那國防也是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
8668.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
8670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
大家也知道現在一般的工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
8670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
8672.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
金額都往下再加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
8672.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
8676.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
況且是軍工的這個採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
8676.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
8679.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
那我們採購的因為精密的先進的這些武器 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
8679.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
8681.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
當然要付出更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
8681.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
8683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
現在我們的科技成長又這麼快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
8683.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
8686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
每一座經營場起來都是數百億數千億的這樣的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
8686.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
8689.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
那為了政府可以提供更多的 |
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8689.05 |
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8691.05 |
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工業區 科學園區 產業園區 |
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8691.05 |
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我們必須說更多的土地的開發 |
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8697.05 |
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土地的取得跟開發成本都遠遠超過以前 |
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8699.05 |
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那現在我們又對中小微企業 |
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又對治水 |
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要全面來做更多的投入 |
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8705.05 |
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四年治水一千億 |
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8705.05 |
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8708.05 |
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八年中小微加碼一千億 |
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8708.05 |
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這個都是過去所沒有的 |
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8712.05 |
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所以很希望委員能夠支持政府 |
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是在這個環境底下 |
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8715.05 |
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要做好基礎建設 |
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8716.05 |
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做好發展 |
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8717.05 |
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保護國家 |
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8718.05 |
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要照顧到人民 |
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8718.05 |
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8720.05 |
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又要顧慮到人口對策的新戰略 |
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8720.05 |
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8722.05 |
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這個是全面性的一個規劃 |
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8722.05 |
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8723.05 |
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院長 |
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8726.05 |
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這些問題我們都知道它確實存在 |
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8726.05 |
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8728.05 |
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可是因為我們每年編的預算 |
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8728.05 |
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8730.05 |
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我們必須要看到它的成果 |
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8730.05 |
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8732.05 |
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今天會講到超編 浮編 |
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8732.05 |
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8735.05 |
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我們先把這個定義把它講清楚 |
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因為不是預算大 |
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8737.05 |
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它就叫浮編 |
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8740.05 |
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如果說我們國防需要增加 |
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8740.05 |
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8741.05 |
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那就編 |
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8741.05 |
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8743.05 |
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如果我們的老人變多 |
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8743.05 |
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8744.05 |
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長照需要增加 |
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8746.05 |
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那也應該編 |
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8746.05 |
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8748.05 |
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該照顧人民的錢本來就應該花 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
8748.05 |
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8750.05 |
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可是我們現在要探討的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
8750.05 |
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8752.05 |
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當我們增加這麼多的預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
8752.05 |
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8754.05 |
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它的成果到底是什麼 |
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8754.05 |
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8756.05 |
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我們現在可以來看 |
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8758.05 |
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簡單的看一下 |
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8760.05 |
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因為我們這一次 |
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8760.05 |
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8763.05 |
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在追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
8763.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
8766.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
我們看到這個一千國防的部分 |
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8766.05 |
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8768.05 |
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一千四百五十幾億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
8768.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
8769.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
將近一千五百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
8769.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
8774.05 |
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這個裡面它其中有含了無人機的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
8774.05 |
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8776.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
一個就是濱海兼徵型無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
8776.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
8779.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
還有濱海攻擊型無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
8779.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
8782.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
另外還有一個小型自殺無人艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
8783.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
8787.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
這三個三項加起來總共五百五十九億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
8787.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
8790.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
追加預算現在都已經十月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
8790.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
8794.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
你明年在我們剛通過的特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
8794.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
8795.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
也有這三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
8795.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
8797.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
因為你們說要列進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
8797.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
8798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
所以在那兩千 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
8798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
8801.05 |
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原來行政院只提了兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
8801.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
8804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
在野黨甚至提高到兩千四百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
8804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
8807.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
可是為什麼我們在追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
8807.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
8809.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
還要編這三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
8809.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
8813.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
這三項在追加預算占了五百五十九億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
8813.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
8814.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
如果它那麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
8814.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
8817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
你當時你在特別條例的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
8817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
8820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
為什麼只有兩千一百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
8820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
8823.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
你直接變成兩千七百億就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
8823.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
8824.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
為什麼沒有編 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
8824.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
8826.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
你現在突然又用追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
8826.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
8829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
聽到立法院不准編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
8829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
8831.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
院長你沒有聽清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
8831.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
8833.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
你才剛通過特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
8833.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
8835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
就是無人機的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
8835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
8838.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
無人機我們通過兩千四百億 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
8839.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
8842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
裡面已經含了我剛剛講的這三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
8842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
8843.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
8843.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
8844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
你用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
8844.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
8846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
你那個是用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
8846.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
8848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
不是用特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
8848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
8853.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
院長你剛自己提過通過的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
8853.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
8856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
顯然你並沒有進入狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
8856.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
8858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
在我們通過的條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
8858.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
8860.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
部長說明我們這三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
8860.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
8862.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
我們沒有通過特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
8862.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
8863.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
8863.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
8866.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
我們行政院版提出來的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
8866.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
8868.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
立法院並沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
8868.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
8870.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
我們現在通過的不是行政院版 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
8870.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
8871.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
我們通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
8871.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
8872.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
所以您通過的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
8872.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
8877.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
你們 桂園通過的是年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].start |
8877.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].end |
8880.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
因為這跟委員稍微解釋一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
8880.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
8881.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
在通過的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
8881.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
8886.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
我們在116年度的總預算已經編進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
8886.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
8888.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
原來通過時間檢視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
8888.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
8891.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
在我們總預算已經提出去之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
8891.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
8893.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
不准我們提出特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
8893.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
8896.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
因此不准我們提出特別預算的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
8896.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
8899.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
我們只好用追加預算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
8899.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
8901.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
追加預算也是年度預算的一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
8901.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
8905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
所以我們是按照桂園所通過的法例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
8905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
8907.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
我們來放在我們的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
8907.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
8910.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
只是我們希望能夠加速的進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
8910.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
8911.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
因此我們放在追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
8911.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
8914.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
追加預算也是屬於年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
8914.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
8915.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
部長您說錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
8915.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
8919.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
因為行政院自己就提出了2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
8919.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
8920.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
我要再強調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
8920.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
8922.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
你們也提出了2100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
8922.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
8924.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
後來通過特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
8924.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
8926.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
特別預算希望放在年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
8926.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
8929.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
是在野黨提出的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
8929.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
8932.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
可是當你們提出2100億的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
8932.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
8936.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
並沒有把這兵海型跟兵海艦增型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
8936.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
8937.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
兵海攻擊型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
8937.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
8940.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
還有小型自殺無人艇放在那裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
8940.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
8942.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
如果它那麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
8942.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
8946.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
你們在2100億裡面的特別條例的預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
8946.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
8947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
就會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
8947.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
8950.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
我們2100億就是擺這幾型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
8950.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
8951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
8951.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
8952.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
那我們擺了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
8952.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
8955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
後來立法院不是一直在討論嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
8955.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
8956.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
討論的時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
8956.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
8958.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
決定不通過的時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
8958.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
8960.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
如果它已經在那裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
8960.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
8962.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
如果部長很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
8962.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
8964.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
如果它已經在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
8964.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
8966.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
那你追加預算就不用再編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
8966.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
8968.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
因為你已經有這三型 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
8968.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
8972.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
而且明年的公佈預算裡面也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
8972.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
8973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
這個我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
8973.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
8974.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
委員您的時間上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
8974.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
8976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
我們可能要稍微排序一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
8976.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
8977.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
這整個的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
8978.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
8980.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
本來這個特別條例當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
8980.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
8981.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
要編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
8981.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
8983.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
結果大院通過的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
8984.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
8986.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
那個條例不叫特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
8986.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
8987.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
但是用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
8987.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
8989.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
所以我們就沒有特別預算可以編 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
8989.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
8991.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
所以我們就把明年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
8991.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
8993.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
本來要編特別預算那部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
8993.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
8995.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
用追加預算編在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
8995.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
8997.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
追加預算也是年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
8997.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
8998.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
部長的意思是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
8998.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
9000.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
我們今年的預算什麼時候確定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
9000.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
9001.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
什麼時候送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
9002.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
9006.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
明年116年預算什麼時候送 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
9006.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
9007.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
8月底送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
9007.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
9008.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
8月底嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
9008.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
9011.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
我們特別預算我們是什麼時候送 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
9013.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
9015.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
我們沒有特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
9015.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
9016.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
9016.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
9017.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
如果你們要講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
9017.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
9018.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
9018.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
9021.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
我們特別條例一直在立法院審議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
9021.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
9023.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
什麼時候送的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
9023.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
9024.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
如果你們要說時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
9024.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
9027.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
您講的是特別條例嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
9027.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
9029.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
特別條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
9029.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
9032.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
我們是在應該去年就已經提出來的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
9032.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
9034.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
然後來就一直討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
9034.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
9036.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
那貴院也很多版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
9036.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
9038.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
然後來等到通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
9038.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
9042.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
去年的時候有沒有這三項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
9042.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
9044.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
去年在特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
9044.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
9046.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
有這幾款的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
9046.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
9047.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
跟無人艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
9047.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
9049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
那我們就打算用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
9049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
9052.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
所以他們的需求你們早就知道了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
9052.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
9053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
9053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
9056.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
所以這559億如果追加預算沒有過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
9056.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
9057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
它到底重不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
9057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
9058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
到底需不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
9058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
9062.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
因為你們在特別條例裡面已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
9062.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
9066.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
我們沒有通過特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
9066.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
9069.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
我們沒有通過我們的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
9069.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
9071.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
立法院通過的2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
9071.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
9075.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
甚至比你們通過的2100億還要高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
9075.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
9078.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
我們就是之前立法院的決議用年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
9078.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
9081.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
它的差別只在於放在年度預算或特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
9081.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
9084.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
可是它已經通過了2400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
9084.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
9087.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
再加上明年116年以後的年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
9087.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
9088.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
它每年有400億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
9088.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
9090.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
你現在又追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
9090.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
9093.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
把這三行等於一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
9093.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
9095.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
你在追加預算又放了559億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
9095.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
9097.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
如果這個這麼重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
9097.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
9099.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
你在2100億以內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
9099.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
9100.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
那時候就會放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
9100.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
9103.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
我們現在沒有時間跟你討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
9103.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
9104.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
我們先第一進一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
9104.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
9108.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
追加預算是年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
9108.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
9110.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
我們因為它的急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
9110.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
9113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
因此我們用追加預算的方式遵循大院的警示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
9113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
9114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
現在10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].start |
9114.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
9116.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
部長你告訴我現在10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
9116.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
9117.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
已經10月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
9117.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
9119.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
追加預算如果通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
9119.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
9121.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
你再來買這三行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
9121.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
9122.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
你說有急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].start |
9122.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
9124.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
如果它那麼急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
9124.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
9127.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
你之前放在特別條例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
9127.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
9129.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
2100億就應該要放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
9129.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
9130.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
9130.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
9132.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
第二點如果它那麼急迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
9132.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
9134.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
你現在都已經接近年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
9134.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
9136.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
你即時完成採購 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
9136.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
9139.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
廠商也不可能1月1號就交給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
9139.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
9142.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
所以不要拿這樣子的一個說辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
9142.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
9144.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
來把所有的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
9144.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
9147.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
你全部都搞亂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
9147.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
9149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
你有特別的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
9149.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
9151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
你有我們的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
9151.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
9153.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
另外還有一筆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
9153.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
9156.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
現在的追加預算都已經10月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
9156.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
9158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
你什麼時候要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
9158.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
9161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
你為什麼追加預算是這個時候送出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
9161.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
9163.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
我們現在沒有很多的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
9163.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
9165.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
116年度的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
9165.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
9167.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
不及編列放進去這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
9167.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
9168.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
不及編列 |
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9168.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
9171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
因為當時特別條例提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
9171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
9173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
特別條例提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
9173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
9174.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
部長聽我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
9174.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
9177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
你在1.25兆已經有放進這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
9177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
9179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
結果你那時候沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
9179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
9183.53 |
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通過你在今年的明年的年度預算裡面 |
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9183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
9184.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
你不及放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
9184.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
9186.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
所以可見你認為是重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
9186.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
9190.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
你現在最重要的其實只是想要把錢放進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
9190.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
9191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
不是委員2100億 |
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9191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
9194.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
國防自主無人載具當中就是編列這些 |
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9194.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
9197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
但是大院並沒有通過那個特別條例 |
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9197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
9198.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
國防自主無人載具的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
9198.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
9201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
我們在委員會審查預算的時候 |
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9201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
9203.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
還會再補一部的探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
9203.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
9205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
國防自主無人載具的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
9205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
9207.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
你們通過了一個條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
9207.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
9208.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
那不叫特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
9208.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
9210.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
所以我們沒有辦法依據來編特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
9211.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
9213.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
一直要變年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
9213.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
9214.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
那為了明年來不及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
9214.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
9216.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
我們就編今年的最佳預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
9216.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
9219.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
我們剛剛已經說過他們來不及的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
9219.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
9222.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
現在我們在講到時候審查預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
9222.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
9224.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
我們會一一的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
9224.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
9225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
那你花了這麼多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
9225.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
9227.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
到底買了什麼樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
9227.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
9229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
而且一次要到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
9229.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
9231.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
這個到時候可能還是必須要說清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
9231.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
9235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
因為在接下來我舉幾個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
9235.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
9237.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
就針對我們在預算部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
9237.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
9240.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
他所編列的一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
9240.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
9241.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
我們在最佳預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
9241.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
9245.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
除了剛剛我說的那三型無人載具以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
9245.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
9248.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
另外還有一個機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
9248.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
9249.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
9250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
9254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
我們可能有在軍事上面的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
9254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
9256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
可是我們要看的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
9256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
9259.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
這個部分同樣叫做機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
9259.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
9264.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
我們在最佳預算的時候編了22億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
9266.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
9268.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
9264萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
9268.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
9270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
你說機動阻絕器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
9270.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
9274.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
我們在115年的最佳預算是編了43萬8千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
9275.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
9276.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
那就更可笑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
9276.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
9278.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
你總經費22億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
9278.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
9280.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
我本來後面給他討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
9280.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
9282.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
機動阻絕器材的總經費沒有到22億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
9282.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
9285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
有你自己看一下你們編的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
9285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
9292.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
這一家預算清清楚楚的表格寫了22億9千多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
9292.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
9294.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
今年第一年45萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
9294.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
9297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
這個才是他詭譎的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
9297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
9302.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
你全案要22億9等於23億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
9302.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
9304.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
可是你今年第一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
9304.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
9306.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
你才用45億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
9306.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
9309.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
等於你頭過心就過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
9309.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
9310.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
45億一旦過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
9310.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
9312.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
然後交給他過了以後就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
9312.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
9316.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
跟委員報告說連日預算都是分開來審 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
9316.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
9318.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
最佳預算跟年度預算都是每年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
9318.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
9320.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
然後也是分開來審 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
9320.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
9322.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
部長他是全案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
9322.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
9323.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
你已經當了那麼多年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
9323.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
9324.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
部長我相信你很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
9324.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
9325.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
我現在講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
9325.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
9328.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
我們先來探討的這個部分是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
9328.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
9330.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
你在預算編列上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
9330.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
9332.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
是不是有浮編超編 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
9332.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
9335.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
剛剛這個機動主角器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
9335.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
9338.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
我們在作家預算編了23億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
9339.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
9343.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
要買356套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
9345 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
9348 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
美軍一樣他們也有機動主角器材 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
9349.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
9353.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
他們是國防後勤局DLA公開的售價 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
9353.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
9357.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
他們一套大概是台幣180萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
9358.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
9359.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
9359.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
9361.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
編列的預算一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
9362.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
9364.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
大概要644萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
9365.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
9370.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
我們等於是美軍的幾乎四倍的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
9370.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
9373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
也就是我們編了23億的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
9373.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
9375.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
美軍只要不到5億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
9375.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
9378.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
就可以買到這樣子的一個套數主數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
9378.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
9380.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
甚至美國這是後勤局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
9380.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
9385.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
他們自己軍規的這樣子的一個成熟的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
9385.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
9386.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
所以我們在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
9386.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
9388.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
這個是第一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
9388.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
9392.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
跟委員報告您講的那個20幾億的這個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
9392.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
9393.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
我印象當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
9393.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
9394.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
我可能要回去確認一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
9394.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
9397.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
並不是全案有這麼多的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
9397.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
9398.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
這是第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
9398.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
9399.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
9399.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
9402.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
2015年追加預算的編列是辦理先期準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
9402.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
9403.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
同樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
9403.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
9407.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
機動主角器材在我們116年的年度預算也有編列 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
9407.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
9410.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
相關編列的這個實際的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
9410.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
9413.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
我下去再查明這個相關的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
9413.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
9414.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
以後再跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
9414.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
9419.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
但是委員不要隨便用湖邊濫編這個話來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
9419.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
9421.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
那已經是湖邊超編 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
9422.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
9424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
為什麼舉這個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
9424.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
9427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
我們之前剛通過的那個特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
9427.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
9430.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
我們放在普發1萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
9430.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
9434.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
就前年的通過的那去年初把還是全年底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
9434.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
9436.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
就是我們說戰備水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
9436.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
9439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
你從8塊變120塊一樣的意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
9439.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
9441.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
我們現在說你可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
9442.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
9445.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
它如果是必要的你可以買 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
9445.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
9448.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
我現在已經把美軍它的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
9448.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
9450.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
已經公開的告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
9450.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
9452.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
美國這是後勤局他們公開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
9454.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
9455.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
他們採購的金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
9455.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
9457.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
他一套就是180萬左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
9457.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
9458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
而且還是軍規的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
9458.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
9461.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
我們現在一套644元 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
9461.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
9463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
你可以分批買那不重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
9463.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
9466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
可是你第一年45萬的招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
9466.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
9468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
下作業費如果下去以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
9468.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
9471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
後面就是22億23億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
9471.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
9473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
我們現在要講的是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
9473.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
9475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
你在前端如果沒有掌控好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
9475.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
9479.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
你後端比別人多出好幾倍去買一樣的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
9479.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
9481.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
而且他還不見得那麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
9481.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
9482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
這是第一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
9482.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
9486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
第二個我們還有一個在總計算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
9486.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
9491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
海軍新型救難艦當年全案的計畫經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
9491.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
9493.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
一艘就是36.58億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
9495.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
9497.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
當時國會已經追問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
9497.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
9499.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
為什麼要花那麼多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
9499.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
9502.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
因為你不能只造一艘大型的拖船 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
9502.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
9505.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
把真正的水下救援能力也應該做進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
9505.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
9507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
因為那時候我們要發展潛艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
9507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
9511.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
所以後來首艦也確實納入了100公尺的潛水中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
9511.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
9513.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
還有500公尺水下ROV |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
9514.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
9516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
這個價格都是可以比較的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
9516.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
9521.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
美軍現在5000噸級的拖帶打撈救難艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
9521.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
9524.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
他公開造價大概新台幣20億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
9525.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
9530.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
我們的3250噸比美軍的5000噸還要小 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
9530.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
9533.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
可是我們全案是36.58億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
9533.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
9536.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
這是首見我們已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
9536.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
9540.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
可是我們在明年編的預算一艘變成多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
9540.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
9541.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
你們知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
9541.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
9543.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
105.81億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
9545.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
9549.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
要造兩艘變成211.62億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
9550.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
9555.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
平均一艘我們原來第一艘已經比美國的還要貴了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
9555.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
9558.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
可是我們現在第二艘跟第三艘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
9558.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
9560.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
我們平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
9560.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
9563.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
造價比我們原來的高出2.89倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
9565.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
9567.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
每一艘多了69億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
9567.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
9568.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
他到底增加什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
9568.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
9571.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
我們現在為什麼要特別出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
9571.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
9573.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
我們有浮邊的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
9573.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
9574.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
超邊的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
9574.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
9579.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
就是因為你原來的船30幾億就已經比別人高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
9579.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
9582.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
那你現在每兩艘變到一艘變成100多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
9582.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
9584.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
這樣要怎麼說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
9585.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
9586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
9586.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
9588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
我想你現在提出來的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
9588.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
9591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
因為我手上沒有現成的資料可以回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
9591.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
9593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
但是我們相關的建案的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
9593.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
9598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
你也都知道我們從這個需求到這個細分的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
9598.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
9602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
我們都會做這個成本會做相關的一些分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
9602.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
9604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
那我們出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
9604.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
9606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
如果委員有疑議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
9606.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
9609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
我們會找時間跟委員做一個進一步的一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
9609.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
9612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
但如果說現在委員在院會上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
9612.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
9615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
你提出這樣的一個金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
9615.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
9617.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
我現在在現場上沒有辦法做核實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
9617.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
9621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
然後就一家人去指控說浮邊如何等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
9621.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
9627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
我覺得這樣的一個質詢的方式是不公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
9627.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
9628.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
那個不是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
9628.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
9630.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
因為我們已經有查了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
9630.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
9634.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
他當時是因為為什麼一直在增加後面的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
9634.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
9639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
他兩艘變成增加了3.5倍以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
9639.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
9640.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
3.5倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
9641.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
9642.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
你就造船而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
9642.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
9645.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
我們今天就說他是可以比較的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
9645.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
9646.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
如果你做得再好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
9646.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
9649.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
你甚至都可以比美軍的還要好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
9649.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
9650.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
那你說你增加那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
9650.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
9651.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
委員是有疑似 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
9651.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
9652.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
我們增加的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
9652.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
9654.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
院長你先聽我講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
9654.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
9656.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
我們當時增加這麼多的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
9656.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
9659.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
只有一個很重要的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
9659.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
9660.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
沒有人來標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
9660.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
9664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
所以這個部分部長如果覺得說你還有要說明的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
9664.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
9665.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
你到時候可以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
9665.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
9667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
因為這是我們看到的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
9667.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
9669.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
他增加幅度非常高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
9669.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
9671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
然後我們覺得不合理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
9671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
9673.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
所以我今天特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
9673.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
9677.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
所以我們就整體的數字再請部長跟委員來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
9677.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
9680.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
我想到時候委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
9680.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
9683.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
委員都有很多的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
9683.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
9685.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
我們一定會跟委員做一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
9685.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
9687.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
一方面也說明這個新照件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
9687.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
9690.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
他本身內容配備維護條件等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
9690.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
9692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
或許容許有不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
9692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
9694.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
這個再請部長能夠詳細說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
9694.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
9696.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
這個部分你們後續可以說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
9696.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
9698.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
因為我是先提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
9698.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
9699.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
9699.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
9703.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
我們還要討論的主要是因為今天是總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
9703.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
9705.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
可是國防預算為什麼特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
9705.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
9708.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
我只是簡單舉兩個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
9708.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
9710.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
他後面還有非常的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
9710.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
9712.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
在委員會我們會持續的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
9712.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
9716.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
因為國防預算已經占了我們所有整體總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
9716.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
9718.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
你只要花三塊四塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
9718.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
9720.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
就一塊是花在國防上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
9720.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
9722.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
所以我們希望他每一筆預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
9722.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
9724.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
其實都可以精準到位 |
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9724.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
9726.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
真的可以增加我們的戰力 |
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9726.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
9728.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
而且他不會被浪費掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
9728.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
9730.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
這是我們今天特別提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
9730.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
9731.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
所以不只國防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
9731.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
9735.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
我們現在提到剛剛我們一開始講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
9735.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
9737.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
少子化的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
9737.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
9740.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
我們在預算如果單價變貴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
9740.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
9742.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
其實更值得警惕的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
9742.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
9744.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
我們的錢每年增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
9744.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
9746.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
可是問題一直在惡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
9746.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
9748.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
剛剛院長提到的本席同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
9748.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
9750.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
就是在全球很多國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
9750.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
9752.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
其實都面臨少子化的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
9752.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
9755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
這個真的是一個重大的國安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
9755.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
9757.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
大家也都在尋求解決的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
9757.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
9760.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
可是我們自己也有自己解決的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
9760.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
9761.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
因為我們有不同的國情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
9761.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
9763.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
我們不同的整體的環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
9763.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
9765.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
那我們錢每年增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
9765.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
9767.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
116年度育兒相關津貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
9767.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
9770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
已經編到2101億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
9770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
9775.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
114年度我們總生育率只有0.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
9775.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
9779.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
所以立法院預算中心他的評估也指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
9779.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
9781.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
就是相關的這個預算支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
9781.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
9784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
其實沒有辦法提升我們的生育率 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
9784.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
9786.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
其實它效果是有限的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
9786.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
9788.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
我們要探討的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
9788.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
9791.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
我們這樣編列相關的2000多億的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
9791.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
9794.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
我們是想要買什麼樣的政策成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
9794.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
9796.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
因為不是說我們錢越編越高 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
9796.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
9798.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
然後補助越來越多就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
9798.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
9800.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
就像我們如果人生病了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
9803.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
9805.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
吃了多年的藥 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
9805.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
9808.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
然後狀況病狀還在惡化當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
9808.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
9811.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
醫生不能告訴我們說你劑量再增加就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
9811.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
9816.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
我們要的是他真的是不是可以去解決我們的病症 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
9816.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
9818.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
少子化也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
9818.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
9819.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
它已經形成國安的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
9819.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
9822.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
因為少子化變成我們的警察消防 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
9822.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
9824.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
我們的老師我們的醫護人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
9824.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
9826.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
我們的勞工我們的農民 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
9826.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
9830.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
我們的就是年輕化的這一些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
9830.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
9833.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
還有包括我們的軍人什麼都缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
9833.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
9836.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
其實它已經造成我們很大的國安的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
9836.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
9840.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
所以我們才希望說我們編列預算我們可以支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
9840.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
9843.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
我們也可以做更多的一些相關的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
9843.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
9845.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
可是它必須要達到效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
9845.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
9847.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
如果我們這2000 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
9847.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
9849.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
100多億預算編列下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
9849.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
9852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
我們明年很具體的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
9852.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
9854.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
我們希望生育率可以達到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
9854.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
9856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
因為總是要有一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
9856.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
9859.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
你之前是0.68多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
9859.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
9863.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
那是不是明年可以到0.75還是到0.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
9863.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
9865.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
這個部分可能會減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
9865.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
9867.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
所以我們也謝謝委員剛剛一直提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
9867.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
9870.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
國防也好這個少子化也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
9870.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
9872.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
我們需要的委員都會支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
9872.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
9873.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
我也希望爭取委員的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
9873.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
9876.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
當我們在推出人口對策新戰略之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
9876.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
9880.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
提出了安心修養加碼教育強化托育 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
9880.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
9883.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
以及友善職場跟居住減壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
9883.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
9886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
那我最近參加了好幾場的聯合婚禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
9886.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
9891.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
在我現在好幾場聯合婚禮對數都增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
9891.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
9892.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
但是一年內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
9893.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
9895.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
我們都沒有辦法看到成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
9895.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
9897.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
一定要一年以後甚至兩年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
9897.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
9899.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
才這個成績才會出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
9899.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
9901.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
那這一年我們盡量鼓勵這個社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
9901.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
9903.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
結婚的氛圍能夠多一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
9903.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
9906.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
生小孩的大家的勇氣能夠大一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
9906.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
9909.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
那我們來支持這樣的月兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
9909.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
9911.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
今天相關的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
9911.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
9914.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
你簡單的說一下明年希望達到的月兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
9914.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
9916.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
就是我們的生兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
9916.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
9919.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
就是我們的出生率可以達到多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
9919.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
9921.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
你是不是可以簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
9921.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
9923.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
可以有一個觸距 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
9926.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
9927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
政策推出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
9927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
9931.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
但是一年內會鼓勵原來不想生的趕快生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
9931.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
9933.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
所以我們在訂這個目標的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
9933.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
9936.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
我希望先止住不要再往下掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
9936.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
9939.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
第一年的目標先止住 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
9939.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
9941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
現在剩下不要往下掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
9941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
9943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
以後再逐年慢慢慢慢的回升 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
9943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
9946.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
所以如果說先止住 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
9946.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
9947.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
今年如果沒有辦法止住呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
9949.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
9952.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
那我們就來檢討這個政策哪裡還不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
9952.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
9954.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
或者執行上是不是有缺漏 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
9954.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
9956.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
因為我們旁邊的韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
9956.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
9958.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
其實我們之前跟韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
9958.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
9960.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
大概都是在末端的一二名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
9960.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
9962.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
可是現在我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
9962.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
9964.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
其實他有一些已經有具體的成效了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
9964.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
9968.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
如果說我們相關的這些可以去取經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
9968.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
9970.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
我覺得對我們可能還是有好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
9970.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
9971.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
我們也有借鏡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
9971.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
9973.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
包括韓國鄰近國家的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
9973.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
9975.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
我們都有拿來參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
9975.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
9977.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
才推出這個人口對策新戰略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
9977.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
9978.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
家庭支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
9978.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
9980.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
院長因為其實可能還有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
9980.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
9981.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
包括我們的公共建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
9981.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
9983.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
因為我們公共建設也增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
9983.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
9985.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
明年也增加了500多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
9985.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
9988.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
應該是有500多億的預算吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
9988.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
9990.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
然後可是我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
9992.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
9996.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
也發現我們有很多的閒置空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
9996.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
9998.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
有的人你甚至把閒置空間花錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
9998.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
10000.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
去把它活化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
10000.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
10002.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
活化以後他又閒置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
10002.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
10004.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
所以這個也是一個很重要的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
10004.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
10006.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
今天我們探討這些我們總預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
10006.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
10008.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
增加這麼高的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
10008.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
10012.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
有增加這麼多的將近4兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
10012.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
10017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
我們希望這個幾乎翻倍的總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
10017.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
10018.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
10019.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
10021.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
台灣其實經濟也變大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
10021.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
10022.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
政府的責任也變多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
10022.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
10025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
預算增加本來就有合理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
10025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
10029.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
可是我們只是要替人民多補後半句 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
10029.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
10032.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
就是國力不能只看政府花多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
10032.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
10033.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
包括我們的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
10033.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
10035.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
因為還要看同樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
10035.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
10038.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
是不是需要越來越少的錢才能解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
10038.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
10040.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
我們剛剛講的這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
10040.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
10044.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
其實都是非常迫切需要去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
10044.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
10045.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
或者需要去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
10045.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
10049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
或者急需我們的戰力的去重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
10049.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
10051.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
戰力的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
10051.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
10052.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
我們在公建計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
10052.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
10053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
治水中小圍的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
10053.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
10054.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
科技發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
10054.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
10055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
國防經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
10055.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
10056.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
社福經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
10056.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
10057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
勞保健保的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
10057.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
10059.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
八大社福的補貼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
10081.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
10082.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
好 謝謝馬委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
10082.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
10083.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
10085.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
10088.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
現在為我們請王安祥委員諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
10102.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
10104.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
主席好 有請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
10105.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
10107.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
好 請卓院長備行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
10113.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
10114.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
黃偉好 早 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
10115.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
10117.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
從去年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
10117.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
10119.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
我想對美關稅這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
10119.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
10122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
其實就受到全世界的一個矚目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
10122.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
10127.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
我們這邊基本上也在今年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
10127.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
10130.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
我們初步跟美國達成了一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
10130.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
10132.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
關稅談判的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
10132.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
10133.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
也是在那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
10133.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
10135.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
我們大概就看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
10135.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
10138.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
我們初步跟美國的對等的貿易協定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
10138.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
10142.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
跟一些投資的備忘錄MOU |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
10142.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
10143.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
不過因為後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
10143.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
10145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
其實有一些轉變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
10145.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
10146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
10146.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
10147.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
美國聯邦的最高法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
10147.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
10149.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
它有判定這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
10149.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
10152.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
這個IPA好像沒有授權給川普總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
10152.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
10153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
做這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
10153.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
10154.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
所以我們最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
10154.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
10155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
截至目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
10155.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
10158.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
最新最新的應該是301 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
10158.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
10160.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
就是我們大概是10%的關稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
10160.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
10161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
然後不疊加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
10161.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
10162.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
大概是最後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
10162.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
10164.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
目前的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
10164.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
10166.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
那我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
10166.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
10167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
就是我剛剛說的那個ART |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
10167.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
10169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
或者是我們的MOU |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
10169.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
10171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
因為那個時候有一些改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
10171.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
10172.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
所以現在正式的文本 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
10172.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
10173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
立法院這邊也還沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
10173.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
10175.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
不曉得目前的狀況是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
10175.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
10177.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
是不是請院長跟我們大家說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
10178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
10179.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
好 我們從去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
10180.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
10181.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
4月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
10182.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
10185.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
每方引用這個IPA對我苛增 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
10185.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
10187.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
32%加MFM |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
10187.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
10188.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
這是一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
10188.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
10189.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
拿到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
10190.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
10191.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
今年的年初 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
10191.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
10194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
又跟我們就分別簽訂了MOU跟ART |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
10194.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
10197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
這個也幾乎是一個比較確定的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
10197.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
10198.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
但是後來您知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
10198.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
10199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
美國現在因為最高法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
10199.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
10202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
聯邦法院又在進行法律工具的轉換 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
10202.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
10204.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
那因此3月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
10204.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
10205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
美國又啟動了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
10205.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
10207.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
強迫勞動貨物進口禁令 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
10207.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
10209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
以及結構性才能過剩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
10209.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
10210.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
這個301的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
10210.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
10211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
那目前呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
10211.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
10213.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
最新的是7月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
10213.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
10214.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
今年7月 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
10214.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
10216.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
進口強迫勞動的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
10216.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
10217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
301調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
10217.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
10219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
我們是10%不疊加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
10219.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
10221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
不疊加MFM |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
10221.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
10223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
但是結構性才能過剩 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
10223.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
10225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
這個部分現在還沒有具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
10225.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
10226.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
10226.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
10230.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
那我們就要等美方再跟我們進一步確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
10230.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
10231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
不過我們希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
10231.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
10234.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
原來的ART所談論的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
10234.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
10236.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
那是基於雙方一段時間談出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
10236.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
10238.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
那我方的談判團隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
10238.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
10239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
也非常的用力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
10239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
10241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
在爭取我國各項的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
10241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
10243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
國家的利益跟產業的利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
10243.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
10244.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
我們希望能夠確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
10244.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
10247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
確保ART當中所談到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
10247.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
10251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
對我方比較有利的優惠的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
10251.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
10253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
那如果說ART確定之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
10253.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
10255.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
再加上美國最新的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
10255.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
10258.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
最終出現一個最終版本的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
10258.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
10259.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
這個MOU跟ART |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
10259.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
10261.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
我們會並送國會來做確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
10261.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
10263.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
好 那之所以會這樣問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
10263.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
10265.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
因為等一下我的很多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
10265.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
10267.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
可能跟這個都會有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
10267.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
10268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
那第一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
10268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
10271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
我們那時候有承諾美國的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
10271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
10272.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
貿易上的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
10272.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
10273.08 |
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就是2500億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
10273.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
10276.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
加上我們的這個信保的部分2500億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
10276.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
10278.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
不曉得目前我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
10278.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
10280.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
我今天也到了這個Auroma一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
10280.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
10281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
那一趟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
10281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
10282.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
我也看到了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
10282.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
10284.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
很多我們那個科技業的一個投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
10284.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
10286.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
不曉得現在這個2500億的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
10286.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
10288.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
是不是我們已經達標了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
10288.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
10291.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
2500億主要是我們產業界自主的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
10291.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
10292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
大家也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
10292.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
10295.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
我們國家的主要的旗艦公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
10295.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
10296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
是投資的相當大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
10296.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
10299.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
但這個也是它整個產業企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
10299.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
10301.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
全球佈局的一環 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
10301.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
10303.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
政府是站在協助支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
10303.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
10307.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
同時來希望它能夠在全球佈局成功的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
10307.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
10308.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
那當然這個不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
10308.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
10310.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
我們還有其他的協力廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
10310.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
10311.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
或是供應鏈廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
10311.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
10313.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
或其他的高科技廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
10313.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
10316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
也一併會在全球佈局的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
10316.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
10318.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
做它的這個投資的策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
10318.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
10320.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
那這個是2500億的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
10320.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
10322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
那目前還在最最最近的最後的盤整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
10322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
10323.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
來請部長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
10323.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
10325.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
我補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
10325.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
10326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
10326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
10327.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
我補充一下就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
10328.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
10330.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
台積電的部分它因為已經公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
10331.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
10333.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
2650億嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
10333.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
10334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
但是如果計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
10334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
10337.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
川普上任以後大概有差不多2000億嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
10338.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
10340.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
那我們持續的盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
10340.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
10343.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
其他的包括AI server還有其他的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
10343.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
10344.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
它有兩次的公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
10344.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
10345.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
一次是351億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
10345.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
10347.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
另外一次是200億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
10347.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
10349.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
目前的狀況是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
10349.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
10351.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
我今年到Auroma |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
10351.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
10352.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
其實我也很感動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
10352.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
10354.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
因為看到台灣投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
10354.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
10355.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
台灣人在Auroma |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
10355.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
10357.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
受到非常非常多的禮遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
10357.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
10360.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
我覺得這個真的是台灣之光 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
10360.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
10364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
那我看到他們在大量投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
10364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
10366.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
在那邊建廠的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
10366.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
10367.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
其實我就有點擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
10367.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
10368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
因為前一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
10368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
10369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
大家應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
10369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
10370.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
台灣的很多科技廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
10370.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
10372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
目前在很多園區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
10372.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
10374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
在施作在蓋廠房的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
10374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
10375.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
其實發生非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
10375.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
10377.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
植栽的一些案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
10377.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
10379.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
那我想過去我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
10379.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
10380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
還在一直在講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
10380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
10382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
可能是因為他的新建案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
10382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
10384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
比較是營造的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
10384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
10385.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
不過前幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
10385.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
10387.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
在這個南科的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
10387.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
10389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
其實發生一些植栽的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
10389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
10390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
是屬於我們的科技廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
10390.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
10392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
而且那個就是我們現在所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
10392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
10393.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
10393.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
10394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
花鼓水 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
10394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
10395.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
院長可能有聽過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
10395.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
10397.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
我們在科技廠上非常擔心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
10398.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
10400.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
這個新柏山的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
10400.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
10402.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
竟然是噴濺到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
10402.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
10404.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
我們這個操作人員的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
10404.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
10405.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
10405.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
10407.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
我覺得這個這樣子的一個植栽的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
10407.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
10408.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
其實就不應該了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
10408.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
10410.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
那當然南科 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
10410.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
10413.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
基本上勞動部已經授權給這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
10413.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
10414.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
10414.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
10415.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
所以基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
10415.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
10417.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
我是希望國會針對這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
10417.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
10419.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
還是要做一些好的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
10419.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
10421.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
那個我們都一直三立五申 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
10421.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
10422.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
希望大家在操作的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
10422.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
10424.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
能夠穿上這個防護衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
10424.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
10425.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
那也請這個院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
10425.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
10427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
也督促一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
10427.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
10429.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
那我們一起把這個事情做好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
10429.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
10432.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
我們的科技業已經這個全世界知名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
10432.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
10434.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
不要為了這些很簡單的操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
10434.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
10435.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
而讓大家覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
10435.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
10438.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
好像台灣對這個方面都不重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
10438.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
10440.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
好 我非常注重這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
10440.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
10442.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
職場的友善環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
10442.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
10443.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
所以對權益我們會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
10444.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
10445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
希望這個部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
10445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
10446.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
經濟部也好 勞動部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
10446.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
10447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
我們共同來維護 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
10447.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
10448.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
是不是藉此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
10448.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
10450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
如果國會有初步調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
10450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
10451.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
可以提供我辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
10451.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
10453.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
做一下這個參考 |
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10455.11 |
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好 感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
10456.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
10457.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
另外有幾件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
10457.11 |
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10458.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
其實在Art裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
10458.11 |
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10459.11 |
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提到非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
10459.11 |
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10461.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
有關我們勞動權益的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
10461.11 |
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10462.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
那當然這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
10462.11 |
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10463.11 |
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第一個事情就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
10463.11 |
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10465.11 |
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因為我們那時候都有限定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
10465.11 |
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10467.11 |
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有些是立刻會生效 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
10467.11 |
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10469.11 |
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有些是有一定的期限生效日 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
10469.11 |
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10470.11 |
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我不曉得現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
10470.11 |
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10471.11 |
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因為還沒有簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
10471.11 |
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10473.11 |
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所以基本上是不是現在的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
10473.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
10474.11 |
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還沒有開始起算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
10475.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
10476.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
我們承諾的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
10476.66 |
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10478.66 |
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的確是還沒有開始生效 |
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10478.66 |
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10480.66 |
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但是有一些是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
10481.21 |
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10483.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
本來就一直在做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
10483.21 |
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10485.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
比如說美方比較關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
10485.21 |
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10486.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
強迫勞動的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
10486.21 |
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10488.21 |
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那個部分本來我們就一直在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
10488.91 |
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10491.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
一直在往這個方向來做一些努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
10493.01 |
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10495.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
對 因為裡面很多勞動的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
10495.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
10496.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
當然部長上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
10496.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
10498.01 |
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就是我希望已經可以開始做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
10498.01 |
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10500.01 |
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那第一個我要問的當然就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
10500.01 |
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10501.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
這個國際上也很關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
10501.01 |
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10503.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
就是我們這個集體勞動的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
10503.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
10505.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
就是有關於減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
10505.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
10508.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
這個我們成立公會的一個限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
10508.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
10510.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
這個很多勞團一直在做倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
10510.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
10513.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
我們現在目前水台還是在30人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
10513.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
10514.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
這個很多人在倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
10514.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
10515.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
是不是我們可以做減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
10515.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
10517.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
部長對這一題的看法是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
10518.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
10520.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
10520.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
10522.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
我知道委員其實一直很關心這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
10522.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
10524.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
那我們在我們的Art裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
10524.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
10526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
其實現在簽訂的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
10526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
10529.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
這個Art生效以後5年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
10529.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
10533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
那要來可能修改相關的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
10533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
10535.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
來實施來降低這些門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
10535.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
10537.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
那當然以現在的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
10537.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
10542.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
我們其實是還在做一些各種方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
10542.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
10547.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
或者是也在收集一些相關的意見的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
10547.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
10550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
因為第一步可能也還是要來收集 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
10550.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
10552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
不管是勞方、資方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
10552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
10556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
甚至其實不同類型的公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
10556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
10558.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
其實不同類型的公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
10558.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
10560.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
可能對這個議題也有不一樣都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
10560.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
10562.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
不一定都一致性的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
10562.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
10567.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
所以前期會先做各方收集意見的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
10567.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
10571.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
那後面才是在做相關的可行性的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
10571.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
10575.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
甚至做法上面各種不同的研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
10575.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
10578.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
是,這個跟院長跟部長說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
10578.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
10580.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
就是在學界其實對這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
10580.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
10583.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
其實一直採我們大家希望比較開放的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
10583.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
10586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
不過目前因為考慮這個common mind之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
10586.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
10589.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
是很多的人提出大概10人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
10589.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
10591.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
這樣的一個標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
10591.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
10594.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
不曉得院長或部長這邊有沒有什麼你們的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
10594.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
10596.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
如果把30人降到10人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
10596.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
10598.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
是不是比較可行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
10598.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
10599.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
10599.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
10601.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
第一個我想我們還是前期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
10601.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
10604.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
因為有些公司比較大的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
10604.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
10606.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
有些公司比較小的公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
10606.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
10609.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
那其實現在就我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
10609.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
10612.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
即便是勞工界,即便是公會界 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
10612.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
10616.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
對這個議題也有很多大家提出各種不同的意見的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
10616.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
10622.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
所以我們目前還是先以收集意見為優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
10622.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
10625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
那當然可能各方都可以提出他的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
10625.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
10628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
那大家就會需要來多對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
10628.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
10630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
那也需要把各種的情境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
10630.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
10632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
跟各種的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
10632.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
10634.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
那也包括可能也要顧及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
10634.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
10637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
第一個我們當然顧及到勞工的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
10637.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
10639.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
尤其是這是一個很重要的集體權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
10639.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
10642.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
那第二個其實也包括我們在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
10643.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
10646.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
相關的產業的發展裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
10646.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
10650.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
怎麼樣子可以讓兼顧尤其是勞工的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
10650.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
10652.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
那我覺得這部分大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
10652.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
10654.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
我覺得會需要一些比較重合心的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
10654.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
10655.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
好,感謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
10655.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
10659.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
那另外我想這個已經是我們國勞的核心公約了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
10659.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
10661.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
這個集體勞動的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
10661.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
10663.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
那不曉得公部門的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
10663.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
10664.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
不曉得院長這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
10664.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
10668.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
因為過去消防弟兄他們長期主張他們要來主公會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
10668.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
10670.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
對公部門公務人員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
10670.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
10672.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
是不是我們可以稍度的做一些開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
10674.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
10678.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
我們對公務人員的權益的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
10678.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
10680.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
一直是跟政府是連在一起的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
10680.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
10682.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
不過警消人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
10682.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
10685.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
他們跟一般公務人員在身分上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
10685.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
10686.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
雖然都叫公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
10686.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
10689.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
但是在職務上是有所差別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
10689.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
10694.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
那我們先期是希望警消能朝向協會的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
10694.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
10696.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
先來做這種協會的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
10696.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
10699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
同樣可以達到來保障他們的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
10699.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
10701.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
爭取他們的權益這個功能來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
10701.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
10705.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
這重點不在於組織的名稱或組織的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
10705.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
10708.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
重點在於政府有沒有要跟他們站在一起的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
10708.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
10709.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
這個絕對是有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
10709.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
10710.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
是 院長了解啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
10710.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
10713.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
不過就我們來說公會跟協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
10713.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
10715.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
其實本質上還是有很大的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
10715.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
10717.33 |
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那就請院長透透幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
10717.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
10720.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
讓公務員他們我們可以簡進我們的決心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
10720.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
10722.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
我們會把他們的權益列為很優先優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
10722.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
10723.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
因為這是國家發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
10723.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
10727.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
跟國家整個保護國家最重要的一股力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
10727.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
10730.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
那另外一個就是有關於漁工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
10730.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
10731.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
就船員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
10731.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
10734.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
這個大概也是我們非常的重要的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
10734.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
10736.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
這個我其實在質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
10736.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
10738.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
或者是那時候在審查預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
10738.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
10740.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
提到非常非常多次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
10740.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
10741.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
10741.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
10744.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
其實那時候在第一個就是C188 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
10744.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
10747.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
這個目前好像在行政院的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
10747.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
10750.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
我上次也有拜託秘書長能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
10750.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
10752.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
能夠在這個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
10752.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
10754.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
看看有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
10754.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
10757.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
這個C188國內法化的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
10757.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
10760.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
能夠送到這個立法院來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
10760.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
10762.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
不曉得這個院長這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
10762.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
10765.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
或者是部長這邊有沒有進一步的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
10765.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
10766.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
來 部長再說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
10766.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
10769.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
我跟委員報告就是漁撈公約的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
10769.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
10772.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
我們在今年的8月中旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
10772.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
10775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
就已經跟院長報告過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
10775.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
10778.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
然後內部的院內的整個的法案的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
10778.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
10779.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
10779.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
10781.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
那現在就待院會通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
10781.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
10784.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
就會送到立法院來進行實質的審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
10784.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
10785.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
好 感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
10785.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
10787.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
那當然對於這個漁獲的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
10787.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
10788.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
原來漁獲的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
10788.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
10790.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
當然過去就是在美國這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
10790.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
10792.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
搶不搶不搶的清單裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
10792.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
10793.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
那我想也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
10793.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
10795.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
我們大家過去都做了很多努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
10795.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
10797.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
那因為他兩年一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
10797.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
10799.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
2026馬上要公布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
10799.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
10802.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
我想這個部長應該有這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
10802.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
10804.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
不曉得今年對我們這個除名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
10804.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
10806.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
有沒有什麼樣的信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
10806.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
10808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
我想我們應該樂觀的看待這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
10808.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
10809.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
因為在過去幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
10809.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
10812.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
我們針對漁獲人群的行動計畫裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
10812.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
10815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
針對漁工的相關的勞動條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
10815.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
10819.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
跟他的生活保障都已經盡量的去實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
10819.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
10821.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
那我們的努力的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
10821.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
10822.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
我相信在國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
10822.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
10824.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
特別在美國或是歐盟的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
10824.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
10826.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
都已經看到我們努力的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
10826.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
10827.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
那相對的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
10827.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
10830.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
針對這種強迫勞動的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
10830.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
10832.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
我們必須長期持續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
10832.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
10835.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
所以也為什麼我們漁撈公約裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
10835.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
10838.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
有非常重要的勞動條件的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
10838.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
10842.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
包括生活條件的一個保障的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
10842.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
10844.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
在漁船上面的一個生活空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
10844.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
10845.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
還有醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
10845.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
10848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
那甚至於我們也啟動了遠距醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
10848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
10849.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
在船上的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
10849.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
10852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
那這個部分都受到美國或歐盟的一個肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
10852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
10856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
是 歐盟現在2027他年底也要開始上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
10856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
10858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
所以我再次提醒對這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
10858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
10861.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
希望這個部長能夠放在心上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
10861.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
10864.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
希望我們最好今年就能夠除名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
10864.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
10868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
那基本上對我們後來在做一些談判上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
10868.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
10870.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
也都會有一些幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
10870.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
10874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
我想我們送到六環院也希望委員能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
10874.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
10875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
那第二個部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
10875.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
10877.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
法案在審查的過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
10877.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
10881.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
我們不會等法案通過以後才去開始執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
10881.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
10884.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
其實我們現在針對漁業人權的相關行動計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
10884.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
10885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
已經在實施了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
10885.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
10886.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
對對對 就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
10886.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
10889.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
我想我們過去在遠洋這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
10889.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
10890.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
其實做了很多努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
10890.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
10891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
不過去年大家也看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
10891.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
10893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
就是我們現在製造業這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
10893.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
10898.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
好像也被美國海關ban在海關這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
10898.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
10901.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
所以我們現在逐次強迫勞動的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
10901.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
10903.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
可能要從漁業這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
10903.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
10906.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
一直到製造業這邊可能都會有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
10906.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
10909.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
那我在上一個會期在很多質詢上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
10909.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
10911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
一直在問這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
10911.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
10914.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
就是所謂的禁止調查的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
10914.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
10917.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
我不知道現在業館是不是還是經濟部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
10917.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
10918.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
是不是他們還 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].start |
10918.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].end |
10919.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3877].text |
是不是可以告訴我們一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].start |
10919.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].end |
10922.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
現在在推動這個禁止調查的一個進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].start |
10925.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
10926.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].start |
10932.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].end |
10933.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3880].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].start |
10934.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].end |
10935.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3881].text |
抱歉我沒聽清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].start |
10935.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].end |
10936.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3882].text |
禁止調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].start |
10937.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].end |
10940.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3883].text |
就是那個強迫勞動禁止調查的一個進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].start |
10940.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].end |
10944.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3884].text |
那個因為當初只是一個個案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].start |
10944.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].end |
10945.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3885].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].start |
10945.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].end |
10947.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3886].text |
那個案的話事實上廠商已經有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].start |
10947.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].end |
10950.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3887].text |
美國海關那邊有做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].start |
10950.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].end |
10952.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3888].text |
那現在好像沒有解嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].start |
10953.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].end |
10955.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3889].text |
對但是它只是暫時而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].start |
10955.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].end |
10956.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3890].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].start |
10956.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].end |
10958.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3891].text |
然後它現在正在review |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].start |
10958.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].end |
10959.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3892].text |
他們的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].start |
10959.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].end |
10961.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3893].text |
而且廠商已經承諾把過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].start |
10961.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3894].end |
10964.96 |
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因為重要還是說那個中介費的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].start |
10964.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].end |
10965.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3895].text |
服務費啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
10965.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
10966.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].text |
服務費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].start |
10966.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].end |
10968.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3897].text |
他們已經承諾把過去的已經緩繁了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].start |
10968.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].end |
10969.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3898].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].start |
10969.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].end |
10973.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3899].text |
那所以現在這個美國海關正在了解當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].start |
10973.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].end |
10975.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3900].text |
正在調查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
10975.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
10976.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].text |
不過看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].start |
10978.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].end |
10980.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3902].text |
算是算是正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].start |
10980.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].end |
10982.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3903].text |
對因為這個十一項指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].start |
10982.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].end |
10983.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3904].text |
其實跟我們國內的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].start |
10983.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].end |
10985.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3905].text |
目前是有一些漢格的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].start |
10985.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].end |
10987.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
所以這個可能就要問黃部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].start |
10987.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].end |
10988.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
現在的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].start |
10988.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].end |
10989.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3908].text |
到底我們那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].start |
10989.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].end |
10991.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
我看好像也有其他委員在問嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].start |
10991.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].end |
10993.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
就是說我們這個那個服務費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
10993.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].end |
10994.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].text |
那個六萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].start |
10994.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].end |
10996.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
一八一七五這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].start |
10996.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].end |
10997.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3913].text |
我們怎麼樣好像最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].start |
10997.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].end |
10999.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3914].text |
在政策在講是不是要朝雇主端 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].start |
10999.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
11002.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
去去收這個招募費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].start |
11002.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
11004.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
應該是說其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
11004.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
11005.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].text |
基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].start |
11005.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].end |
11007.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3918].text |
服務費的部分一個很重要的原則就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].start |
11007.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].end |
11009.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3919].text |
就是要有服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
11009.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
11011.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].text |
才能夠收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].start |
11011.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
11015.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
那我們在這一次的台美的ART裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
11015.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].end |
11016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
那其實有一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].start |
11016.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].end |
11018.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3923].text |
也是要來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
11018.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
11021.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].text |
就是你要有服務才能夠收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].start |
11021.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
11022.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
那這個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].start |
11022.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
11024.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].text |
那我想我們目前也 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
11024.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
11027.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].text |
也跟一些相關的組織在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].start |
11027.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
11030.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
也包括跟各方勞資大家在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
11030.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
11033.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].text |
那來落實這個原則的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
11033.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
11035.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
就是No Service No Fee |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
11035.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
11037.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].text |
其實原則是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].start |
11037.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
11039.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
所以部長這個部分還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].start |
11039.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
11042.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
請部長多多跟這個產業溝通啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
11042.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
11045.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
我想很多人來找我講一些事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].start |
11045.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
11048.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
我覺得我都有幫這個黃部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
11048.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
11049.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
做一些捍衛啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
11049.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
11051.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
說我覺得這個是普世的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
11051.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
11052.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
我們希望我們還是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].start |
11052.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].end |
11054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3939].text |
我們還是要朝這個方向去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].start |
11054.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].end |
11056.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
減少這些移工啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
11056.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
11058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].text |
他這個債務束縛的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
11058.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
11060.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
就是有關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
11060.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
11061.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].text |
他的這個服務費的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].start |
11061.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
11063.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
我們是希望就是有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
11063.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
11064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
剛剛這個院長也說嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
11064.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
11066.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
這些大廠目前大概都是由 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
11066.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
11067.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
資方在處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].start |
11067.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
11069.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
就是你有沒有服務的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].start |
11069.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
11070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
那你服務了誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].start |
11070.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
11072.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
你服務如果是幫勞工服務的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
11072.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
11075.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
如果勞工需要某些提供的一些服務的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].start |
11075.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
11076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
當然勞工某部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].start |
11076.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
11078.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
他有時候也會需要服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].start |
11078.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
11079.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
但是要確認有服務的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].start |
11079.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
11081.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
對資方的服務也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].start |
11081.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
11083.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
有服務才能夠收費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
11083.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
11085.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
我覺得這個是我們在台美的ART裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
11085.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
11087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
在這個部分簽訂的原則是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
11087.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
11089.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
是好那第二題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].start |
11089.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
11090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
大概就是這一題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
11090.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
11091.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
我想去年上個會期啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].start |
11091.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
11094.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
其實我提出了非常多勞動政策的一些改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].start |
11094.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
11096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
那這個也得到行政院這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].start |
11096.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
11097.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
很好的一個回應啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].start |
11097.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
11099.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
像那些產價的部分啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].start |
11099.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
11101.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].text |
這個這個其實產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].start |
11101.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
11103.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].text |
都比我還要來得先進啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].start |
11103.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
11105.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].text |
那唯一就是這一題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].start |
11105.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
11106.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
謝謝委員的提議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].start |
11106.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
11107.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].text |
部長很爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].start |
11107.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
11108.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].text |
我們衡量之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].start |
11108.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
11110.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].text |
這個同時不增加產業的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].start |
11110.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
11111.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].start |
11111.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].end |
11112.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3974].text |
完全政府來投 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].start |
11112.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
11114.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
其實這個勞動政策本來就很難推啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].start |
11114.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
11116.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].text |
因為涉及到勞資雙方啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].start |
11116.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
11118.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
不過剩下這一題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].start |
11118.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
11119.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
去年就今年啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].start |
11119.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
11121.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
這個5月1號這個勞團 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].start |
11121.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
11123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
他基本上主要訴求啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].start |
11123.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
11124.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
就是勞退這個部分啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].start |
11124.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
11127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
他們一直希望這個6%能夠提升啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].start |
11127.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
11128.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
其實我上一個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].start |
11129.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].end |
11130.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3984].text |
這個在做詢答的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].start |
11130.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].end |
11131.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3985].text |
也是問這一題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].start |
11131.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].end |
11133.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3986].text |
不曉得現在有沒有什麼具體的進展 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].start |
11133.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].end |
11135.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3987].text |
就固體的部分啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].start |
11135.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].end |
11137.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3988].text |
那當然那個過去部長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].start |
11137.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].end |
11138.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3989].text |
去鼓勵自體啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].start |
11138.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].end |
11139.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3990].text |
那固體的部分是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].start |
11139.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].end |
11141.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3991].text |
試圖的做一些調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].start |
11141.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].end |
11143.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3992].text |
那部長有沒有跟這個資方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].start |
11143.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].end |
11145.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
再做一些進一步的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].start |
11145.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].end |
11146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3994].text |
跟委員報告喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].start |
11146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].end |
11150.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3995].text |
的確其實我們目前一直在思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].start |
11150.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
11153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
在一個如何整體來幫勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].start |
11153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].end |
11155.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3997].text |
可以有更多退休金的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].start |
11155.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].end |
11157.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3998].text |
來逐步的來檢討我們的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].start |
11157.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].end |
11158.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3999].text |
所以這是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].start |
11158.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].end |
11160.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4000].text |
其實我們在今年的8月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].start |
11160.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].end |
11162.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4001].text |
我們也讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].start |
11162.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].end |
11164.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4002].text |
純就制的勞工 |
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開放他能夠自體 |
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甚至提前的節存 |
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來去累積他的退休金 |
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其實這就是一步 |
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那當然大家現在也看到 |
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我們勞退薪資整體的基金運用 |
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今年的成效其實也相當的不錯 |
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所以我們的確我們會在 |
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這個大的就是整體希望能夠讓 |
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勞工的退休金增加的這個方向上 |
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那一步一步的來做相關的檢討 |
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那當然對於雇主提撥增加的部分 |
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我想我們還是會來收集大家 |
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還是要來收集大家的意見 |
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可是我認為我們會是在 |
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這一個大的方向上面 |
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來做相關的這個 |
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有一些勞團他們現在有一些提案方案 |
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說用漸進式的方式來做調整 |
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部長應該有收到這樣的資訊嗎 |
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我們都有看到這些提案 |
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那這些勞工的團體他們的意見 |
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他們的想法我想這當然都會是 |
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我們在收整相關意見的時候 |
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一個很重要的來源 |
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還是請部長多多幫忙 |
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因為真的很多勞團他們希望 |
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因應期盼的就是這一項 |
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那再來就是 |
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這一個每年颱風其實我都非常的害怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4033].start |
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不是害怕颱風 |
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是怕災後的重建的部分 |
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其實不管在公共衛生或是職業衛生 |
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或者是這個一般衛生的領域裡面 |
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他大概都會非常非常care這個十年的事情 |
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這個大概我們這個年紀才知道 |
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早期都是隔熱都是用這個十面瓦的部分 |
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所以每次災後其實都有這個問題 |
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那我們知道這個過去環保署環境部 |
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11260.55 |
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基本上做了很多的努力 |
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11262.55 |
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那我想環境部跟OPELAW |
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11263.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].end |
11267.35 |
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現在我們十面在IOC上面 |
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其實都是一級的自癌物 |
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所以我們過去做了很多方略 |
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11275.35 |
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環境部這邊好像過去有一些推估的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].start |
11275.35 |
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11277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
去推估大概那個建築 |
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| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
11279.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
不過現在看起來每年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
11282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
在做verify的時候好像不是非常準確 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].start |
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11283.35 |
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不知道有沒有什麼更積極的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].start |
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11285.35 |
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可以大概推估我們大概的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].start |
11285.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
11288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
報告委員這個其實都用衛星的遙測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
11288.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
11291.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
那我們現在加上地面的無人機的偵測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
11291.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
11293.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
所以數量每年有在調整 |
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11293.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
11295.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
那現在比較麻煩的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].start |
11295.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
11297.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
現在十面瓦沒有壞掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].start |
11297.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
11298.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
沒有颱風吹掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
11300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
沒有損壞其實沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
11300.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
11301.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
現在就損壞的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
11301.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
11302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
我們有定期的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
11302.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
11304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
那因為去年颱風比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
11304.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
11305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
所以破壞比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
11305.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
11307.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
所以行政院也給我們很大的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
11307.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
11310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
所以目前去化的量能是沒有問題的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
11310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
11313.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
那現在就等時間慢慢的去化當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].start |
11313.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
11314.35 |
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對我了解啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
11314.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
11317.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
所以基本上我們就是比較怕說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
11320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
因為環境部這邊都是補助輕運的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
11320.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
11322.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
其實我為什麼會提出問題來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
11322.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
11324.35 |
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就是因為大家知道十面那個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
11324.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
11326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
對我們的費會有很大的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
11326.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
11329.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
而且發作可能會在非常非常多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
11329.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
11331.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
我們在學界也倡議了非常非常多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
11331.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
11333.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
我們比較擔心的是後端 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
11333.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
11334.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
就是他在重建的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
11334.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
11338.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
那些工人他對於十面的危害不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
11338.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
11339.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
或對他做一些這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
11339.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
11342.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
他在施作的時候的標準程序不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].start |
11342.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
11345.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
所以我們希望勞動部能夠持續做這個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].start |
11345.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
11346.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
11346.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
11349.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
因為委員其實是治安委的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
11349.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
11352.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
其實在去年尤其是丹納斯颱風以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
11352.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
11356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
那環境部這邊是比較是補助輕運的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
11356.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
11357.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
那我們特別也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
11357.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
11359.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
包括當時在拆除 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
11359.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
11360.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
11360.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
11363.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
或者是在重建的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
11363.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
11366.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
其實可能還是會有一些工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
11366.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
11368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
他可能是受雇於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
11368.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
11371.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].text |
一些小的工班的老闆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].start |
11371.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].end |
11373.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4092].text |
或者是其他的類型的工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].start |
11373.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].end |
11376.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4093].text |
他有可能會去碰觸到這個十面的危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].start |
11377.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].end |
11379.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4094].text |
所以我們其實去年其實也有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].start |
11379.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].end |
11382.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4095].text |
針對這些工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
11382.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
11383.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
那他的宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
11383.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].end |
11387.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].text |
包括他的防護用具的補助計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
11387.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].end |
11388.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].text |
尤其是這個啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
11388.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
11390.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
那我們也設了一個在南部的據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
11390.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
11391.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].text |
來推廣這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
11391.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
11392.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].text |
那我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
11392.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
11395.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
我想今年我們意識到這個事情的風險之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].start |
11395.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].end |
11399.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4103].text |
會讓這樣子的一個專案的補助計畫繼續往前走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].start |
11399.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
11400.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].text |
就是他不會停下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].start |
11400.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].end |
11401.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4105].text |
這部分我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].start |
11401.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].end |
11403.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4106].text |
因為我們都知道這個十面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].start |
11403.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].end |
11405.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4107].text |
如果在不小心的狀況下的危害是大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
11405.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
11407.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].text |
所以我們也很關注這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
11407.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].end |
11408.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
11408.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].end |
11410.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
那最後就是要拜託這個院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].start |
11410.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
11413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].text |
我代表專業跟你請命 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].start |
11413.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
11417.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].text |
就是說因為很多人其實不是很知道這個十面相關的一個危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].start |
11417.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].end |
11420.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4113].text |
是不是我們可以增加一些科普 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].start |
11420.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
11421.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
就增加一些科普 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].start |
11421.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
11423.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
讓大家知道這個的危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].start |
11423.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
11427.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
這個可能要看看這個責任要由誰來處政 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].start |
11427.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
11429.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
可能是衛福部或是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].start |
11429.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
11431.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
他們可不可以多一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
11431.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
11432.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
一般科普的一些宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
11432.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
11435.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
跟大家說如果有這樣的東西在處理的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
11435.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
11436.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
要注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
11436.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
11439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
可以減少很多其實有時候在處理未必是真正的是勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
11439.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
11442.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
他可能是自己家人或自己的親戚就在處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
11442.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
11443.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
好 報告委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
11443.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
11445.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
這個部分是環境部在負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
11445.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
11447.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].text |
那我們過去都有在網路上推 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
11447.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
11450.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
但是因為本部的文宣預算都被砍了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
11450.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
11452.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
所以對我發現最大的麻煩是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
11452.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].end |
11454.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].text |
鄉下的阿公阿嬤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
11454.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].end |
11455.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
他們不了解都一直敲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
11455.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].end |
11457.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
所以我們有發到這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
11457.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
11460.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
我們也會想辦法來針對那個年長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
11460.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
11462.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
因為他們大概都是傳統的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
11462.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
11463.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
不是用新的媒體來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
11463.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
11465.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
也希望委員以後支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
11465.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
11467.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
是 所以我想這個部分很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
11467.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
11470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
十年風險的一般的科普 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].start |
11470.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
11471.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
提醒大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
11471.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
11473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].text |
我想環境部是責無旁貸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
11473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
11475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
但是在施工當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
11475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
11478.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
施工者以及這個施工的營造單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
11478.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
11481.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
本身應該有的這種知識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
11481.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
11483.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
我想要請老長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
11483.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
11485.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
所以不斷的予多說會繼續推動下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
11485.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
11486.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
我們都會有專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
11486.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
11488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
然後包括人力包括人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
11488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
11490.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].text |
我們都會持續的進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
11490.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
11492.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
這也是記取去年的教訓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
11492.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
11494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
好 非常感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].start |
11494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
11495.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
當然最後這邊就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
11495.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
11497.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
第一個就是國防的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
11497.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
11500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
剛剛那個郭部長應該很多人都在問他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
11500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
11502.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
當然還是留一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
11502.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
11504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
讓郭部長跟大家說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
11504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
11506.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
其實我今年到美國去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
11506.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
11508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
或是我接待很多國會的議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
11508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
11509.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
或不然是他的助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
11509.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
11511.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
其實他們對於我們這個第二批 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
11511.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
11513.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
其實不是只有我們關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
11513.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
11514.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
其實他們本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
11514.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
11517.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
美國他們相關的人員也非常關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
11517.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
11519.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
那是不是可以趕快讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
11519.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
11520.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
這個第二批的都上軌道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
11520.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
11521.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
然後指揮國會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
11521.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
11523.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
部長是不是要用這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
11523.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
11524.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
再跟大家說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
11526.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
11528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
第二批我想這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
11528.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
11530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
我們還是尊重美方他 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
11530.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
11532.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
跟我們一再的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
11532.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
11534.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
就是依照這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
11534.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
11536.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
正在進行審議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
11536.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
11539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
對台的我想政策都沒有任何的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
11539.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
11542.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
所以我們還是期待就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
11542.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
11545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
儘速能夠完成這個審議的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
11545.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
11547.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
是 因為剛剛前面有委員在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
11547.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
11549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
一直都很多人在把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
11549.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
11552.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
跟這個川習會連在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
11552.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
11554.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
希望這個川習會現在也開完了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
11554.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
11556.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
我們是不是能夠就這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
11556.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
11557.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
做一個明確的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
11557.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
11560.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
也請部長多多這個費心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
11560.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
11562.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
另外就是這個S-16 Block這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
11562.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
11565.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
這個最近飛回來兩台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
11565.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
11567.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
接下來當然很多人就問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
11567.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
11568.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
那其他的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
11568.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
11570.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
部長有沒有各進一步的消息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
11571.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
11573.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
就是有關於這個S-16的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
11573.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
11578.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
S-16我想加緊的這個在量產當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
11578.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
11581.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
所以我想現在應該已經有六十幾架 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
11581.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
11583.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
應該在產線的生產當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
11583.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
11587.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
那應該陸續已經有生產完畢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
11587.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
11589.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
會通過測試之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
11589.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
11592.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
然後我們會跟美方協調安排 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
11592.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
11594.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
就通過這個測試的飛機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
11594.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
11596.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
在適當的時間能夠揮發這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
11596.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
11598.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
對 因為前幾天訪問的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
11598.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
11600.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
部長好像談到這個所謂的補償機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
11600.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
11601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
不知道這個什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
11601.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
11604.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
就是有關於S-16延遲交貨的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
11604.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
11607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].text |
補償的機制這個部分也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
11607.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
11609.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
美方 我們是跟美政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
11609.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
11610.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
軍事都是跟美政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
11610.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
11613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
我們跟美方的政府在洽談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
11613.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
11617.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
有一些有關這個非現金的補償的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
11617.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
11620.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
因為不可能用現金來進行賠償 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
11620.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
11622.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
所以我們可能會做一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
11622.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
11625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
不是現金的一些補償的一些事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
11625.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
11629.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
那這些事項我們後續會再跟美方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
11629.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
11631.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
這邊來洽談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
11631.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
11632.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
對 因為我會這樣問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
11632.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
11634.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
是因為我們都知道FMBS |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
11634.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
11636.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
基本上美國他們其實有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
11636.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
11638.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
很嚴謹的制度 |
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11638.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
11640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
而且美國也不是透過這個方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
11640.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
11641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
在做獲利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
11641.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
11642.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
所以我們過去都是想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
11642.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
11644.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
好像沒有在獲利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
11644.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
11647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
美國那邊可能有一些他們生產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
11647.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
11649.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
對 他的軍售案就是不賺不賠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
11649.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
11652.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
因為他是由我們跟美方來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
11652.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
11654.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
他是對我們的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
11654.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
11656.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
那美方的話再跟這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
11656.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
11658.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
他的供應商 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
11658.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
11661.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
以F16來講會干脆我們再來簽約 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
11661.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
11664.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
對 所以院長跟部長都看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
11664.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
11667.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
其實這個F16飛進台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
11667.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
11668.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
其實對台灣整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
11668.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
11671.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
大家的士氣會有很大的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
11671.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
11672.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
接下來那些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
11672.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
11675.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
還是請院長跟部長多多費心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
11676.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
11679.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
感謝委員對國防需求的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
11679.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
11682.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
我想從這個觀點來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
11682.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
11684.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
我們對未來在爭取更多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
11684.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
11685.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
國防預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
11685.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
11686.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
還請委員多多的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
11686.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
11688.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
是 那剛剛也有委員問到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
11688.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
11690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
無人機的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
11690.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
11693.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
其實我也有看到現在追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
11693.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
11694.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
我知道因為是那個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
11694.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
11695.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
送進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
11695.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
11697.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
116送進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
11697.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
11698.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
本來以為是特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
11698.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
11699.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
11699.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
11700.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
所以現在就編在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
11700.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
11703.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
115的追加預算裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
11703.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
11705.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
不過追加裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
11705.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
11708.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
其實有包含116的對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
11708.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
11709.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
那個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
11709.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
11710.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
就是有包含116的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
11710.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
11713.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
是 跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
11713.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
11717.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
因為他這個案子在當時的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
11717.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
11721.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
我們要再編116年度的預算的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
11721.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
11723.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
因為我們還有那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
11723.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
11724.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
無人機的特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
11724.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
11726.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
在立法院審議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
11726.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
11728.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
所以我們沒有辦法擺進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
11728.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
11730.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
116年度的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
11731.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
11736.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
所以因此我們經行政院核定之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
11736.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
11739.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
我們把它就這個無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
11739.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
11742.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
我們本來要放特別預算的這個部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
11742.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
11744.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
我們改納入年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
11744.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
11746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
我們依照它的急迫性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
11746.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
11749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
我們希望在115年度的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
11749.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
11751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
就能夠放進去我們所需要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
11751.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
11753.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
就是說你放在115的追加 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
11753.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
11755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
好像有點怪怪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
11755.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
11756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
你們再審討一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
11756.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
11757.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
看要怎麼樣的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
11757.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
11759.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
就115的當然是OK |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
11759.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
11762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
可是你現在編起來是連116都編進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
11762.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
11764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
所以看起來是有點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
11764.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
11765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
我們為了追趕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
11765.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
11767.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
所以就已經落後的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
11767.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
11769.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
跟設定了116年度的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
11769.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
11771.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
能夠如期來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
11771.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
11772.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
所以我們就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
11772.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
11774.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
然後能夠依照原定的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
11774.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
11776.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
進來形成這個無人機的戰力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
11776.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
11779.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
所以我們才會配合這個的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
11779.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
11782.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
我們將這個沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
11782.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
11786.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
現在已經沒有辦法編入116年度的年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
11786.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
11793.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
116年度的需要支出的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
11793.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
11796.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
並同115年的追加預算來辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
11796.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
11800.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
這一點還麻煩請大院能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
11800.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
11802.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
會在委員會討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
11802.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
11805.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
我非常清楚這個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
11805.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
11808.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
所以因為116年度的年度預算已經編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
11808.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
11812.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
本來希望編116年以後的特別預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
11812.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
11814.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
但大院希望我們編年度預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
11814.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
11816.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
所以我們116年度都要編 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
11816.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
11818.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
除非編116年度的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
11818.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
11820.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
但對我們來講會延誤一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
11820.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
11822.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
所以是要編115年的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
11822.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
11824.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
116年度的追加預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
11824.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
11829.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
我還要等到116年的總預算再審完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
11829.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
11833.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
那我們也不曉得116年的總預算什麼時候審完 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
11833.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
11834.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
那這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
11834.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
11836.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
那又要再拖一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
11836.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
11840.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
就是給這個院這邊知道一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
11840.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
11842.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
大概說我們大概進委會再來做討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
11842.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
11843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
11843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
11847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].text |
最後一題當然還是要幫地方請面一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
11847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
11849.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
王奉遠縣長雖然要卸任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
11849.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
11853.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
不過非常積極的還是繼續在奔走 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
11853.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
11857.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
那一天我也跟縣長一起到院長那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
11857.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
11859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
來徵請這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
11859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
11862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
也希望院長最後一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
11862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
11864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
能夠大力支持我們彰化的一些建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
11864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
11866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
看到我們王奉遠縣長這麼努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
11866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
11869.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
我們幾位委員都一起派下來爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
11869.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
11871.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
是不是請院長到最後幾秒鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
11871.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
11872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
11872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
11874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
我們到彰化也成為委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
11874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
11877.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
能夠陪著我們一起視察很多的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
11877.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
11879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
那提出的11項重大建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
11879.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
11881.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
就除了明大大學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
11881.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
11884.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
那個跟我們原來想像的不盡相同之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
11884.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
11885.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
那也取得縣長的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
11885.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
11888.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
其他的11項有的都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
11888.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
11890.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
幾乎可以朝向一個固定的方式再走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
11890.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
11892.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
另外還有一些就等縣府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
11892.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
11894.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
送上來他的修正計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
11894.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
11895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
我們後續就來推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
11895.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
11898.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
那無論如何這都是王縣長8年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
11898.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
11900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
很努力拼出來的地方成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
11900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
11902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
是啊我們常常講說這個地方建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
11902.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
11904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
應該不分黨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
11904.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
11905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
而且要有延續性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
11905.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
11907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
所以我們希望這幾項建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
11907.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
11911.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
尤其像我們幾個像園林自行車 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
11911.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
11913.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
或者是我們南部的冷鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
11913.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
11915.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
其實對地方發展都非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
11915.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
11916.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
那請院長多多幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
11918.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
11919.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
謝謝王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
11919.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
11920.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
謝謝卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
11920.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
11923.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
報告院會上午質詢到此為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
11923.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
11926.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
下午2點30分繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
11927.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
11929.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
進行質詢現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
21610.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
21612.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
好 卓院長各位閣員午安 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
21612.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
21614.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
我們現在要繼續進行質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
21614.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
21618.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
接下來我們要請王世堅委員請質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
21618.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
21620.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
柯志恩委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
21648.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
21650.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
王世堅委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
21677.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
21680.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
謝謝主席我請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
21680.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
21681.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
21684.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
21685.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
21695.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
21696.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
王委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
21697.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
21699.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
卓院長又是新的會期開始了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
21700.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
21703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
也是一個嶄新的契機希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
21703.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
21704.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
21704.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
21705.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
21706.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
21707.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
特地帶來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
21708.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
21710.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
這副弓箭要送給你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
21710.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
21711.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
喲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
21713.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
21714.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
嗯嗯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
21714.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
21715.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
第一個意義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
21716.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
21717.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
我就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
21717.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
21719.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
希望你能夠更理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
21720.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
21722.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
執政 施政 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
21722.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
21724.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
就像拉弓射箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
21725.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
21727.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
力道要恰到好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
21728.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
21729.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
丟丟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
21729.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
21730.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
我希望你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
21731.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
21732.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
21732.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
21733.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
為我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
21735.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
21736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
射出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
21736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
21738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
濁魁三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
21738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
21740.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
就像日本的安徽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
21741.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
21743.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
這個三箭一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
21744.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
21745.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
21746.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
21747.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
新的會期開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
21747.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
21749.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
跟在野黨的溝通非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
21749.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
21751.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
有我們不只明年度的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
21751.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
21753.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
還有追加預算等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
21754.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
21755.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
我夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
21755.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
21756.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
我們能夠向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
21758.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
21760.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
拉箭射弓一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
21760.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
21763.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
這個力道要恰到好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
21765.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
21766.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
21766.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
21768.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
就像政治手腕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
21769.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
21770.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
就像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
21771.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
21772.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
21772.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
21773.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
21774.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
21775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
21775.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
21777.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
弓拉的太鬆沒有力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
21777.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
21779.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
施政無力拉的太緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
21781.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
21782.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
斷掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
21782.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
21784.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
那就一事無成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
21785.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
21786.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
這非常要緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
21787.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
21790.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
所以要拉的恰到好處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
21791.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
21792.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
那麼其次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
21792.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
21794.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
我也希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
21794.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
21795.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
在新的會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
21795.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
21797.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
你能夠再一度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
21797.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
21799.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
拿出像你剛就任的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
21799.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
21801.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
那時候的熱情活力一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
21802.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
21804.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
為我們台灣射出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
21804.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
21808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
像日本安倍晉三的三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
21808.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
21810.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
安倍三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
21810.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
21813.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
在我們台灣把握現在這個時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
21813.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
21815.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
現在是我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
21815.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
21818.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
經濟實力也最強盛的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
21819.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
21821.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
把握這個時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
21821.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
21823.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
射出這三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
21823.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
21824.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
第一箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
21825.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
21826.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
我們成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
21827.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
21829.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
主權基金進軍事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
21830.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
21831.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
第二箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
21831.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
21833.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
建立亞太資產管理中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
21834.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
21835.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
第三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
21835.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
21837.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
結合輝達 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
21837.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
21840.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
厚植AI產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
21840.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
21842.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
我希望這三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
21842.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
21844.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
你能夠在這個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
21844.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
21847.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].text |
把握我們台灣最強盛的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].start |
21848.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].end |
21850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4416].text |
能夠為我們整個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].start |
21850.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
21852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
射出未來這三箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
21852.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
21855.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
所以我送給你這副弓箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].start |
21855.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].end |
21856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4419].text |
讓你放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].start |
21857.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].end |
21858.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4420].text |
你的院長室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].start |
21890.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
21892.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].text |
非常謝謝王委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].start |
21892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
21893.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
期許 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].start |
21894.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
21897.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
跟你這個三支箭的含義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].start |
21898.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].end |
21901.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4424].text |
我倒是希望行政立法兩院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].start |
21901.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
21903.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].text |
我們能拿同一把弓箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].start |
21904 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
21905 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
射同樣的一個把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
21905.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
21906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].text |
這個才重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].start |
21906.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
21908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].text |
如果我們的把是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].start |
21908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
21909.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
把先是一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].start |
21909.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
21911.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].text |
那我們的目標就是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].start |
21911.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
21914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].text |
力道只有行政院來射都不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].start |
21914.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
21916.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].text |
行政兩院一同射一把箭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].start |
21916.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
21917.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
射向同樣的把 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].start |
21917.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
21918.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
讓台灣更進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
21920.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
21924.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
對 我們2300萬人不分哪個政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].start |
21924.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
21926.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
那我們是執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].start |
21926.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
21928.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
我們就再度釋出善意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].start |
21928.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
21931.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
大家好好溝通政策 預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].start |
21931.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
21933.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
請各部會的部長們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
21933.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
21935.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
他們要加把勁 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].start |
21935.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
21936.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
在會期這一開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].start |
21936.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
21939.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
趕快去跟各個立委不分政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].start |
21940.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
21942.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
多好好溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].start |
21942.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
21944.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
時間暫停我請我們經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
21944.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
21946.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
時間暫停請經濟部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
21948.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
21949.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
另外王委員一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
21949.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
21952.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
輝達我們已經盡力讓他留在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].start |
21952.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
21955.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
成為台灣產業動力的一部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
21955.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
21957.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
而亞太資產中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].start |
21957.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
21959.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
亞太資產管理中心我們在高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].start |
21959.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
21961.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
也有示範的場域相當的成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
21961.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
21963.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
我正想把他複製到其他地方去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].start |
21963.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
21965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
至於主權基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].start |
21965.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
21967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
那也是我們現在緊挪密鼓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
21967.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
21968.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
在籌備的一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].start |
21968.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
21969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
也請委員來支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
21969.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
21972.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
希望能夠做得像世界第一大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].start |
21972.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
21974.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
挪威的主權基金一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].start |
21974.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
21976.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
那是很值得接近學習的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].start |
21976.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
21978.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
我們一定要創造更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].start |
21978.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
21980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
福國利民的福利正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
21980.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
21982.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
那個委部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
21984.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
21986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
我非得問問你不可啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].start |
21986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
21988.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
Grab要來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
21989.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
21991.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
並呼攀大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].start |
21991.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
21993.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
這個案子不但送公平會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].start |
21993.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
21997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
而且你的屬下的投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].start |
21997.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
22000.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
他們未來也要加入這個審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
22000.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
22001.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
來吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].start |
22001.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
22002.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
咩 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].start |
22003.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
22006.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
下屬還有一個資策會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].start |
22007.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
22010.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
他們這些資策會的學者專家們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].start |
22010.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
22012.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].text |
在六月份的科技法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].start |
22012.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
22014.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
就已經寫得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].start |
22014.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
22015.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
我簡單一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].start |
22016.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
22017.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
他要回歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].start |
22017.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
22018.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
並呼攀大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].start |
22020.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
22021.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
Go |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
22022.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
22024.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
競爭帶來的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].start |
22024.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
22026.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
限制競爭帶來的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
22026.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
22030.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
遠大於對整體經濟利益的提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
22031.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
22033.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
這麼簡單的一句結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
22033.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
22035.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
我相信這是你下屬的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
22035.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
22037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
你應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
22038.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
22039.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
22039.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
22040.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
那麼再這麼敏感 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
22041.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
22042.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
雖然延了兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
22042.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
22044.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
大概十月下旬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
22044.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
22047.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
這個公平會就要判出來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
22048.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
22050.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
結果你就在上個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
22050.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
22051.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
你也等不及的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
22051.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
22054.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
你不但去參加這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
22054.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
22055.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
22055.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
22056.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
說一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
22058.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
22060.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
這個產業的說明會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
22060.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
22061.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
22061.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
22062.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
他是論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
22062.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
22063.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
對論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
22063.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
22065.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
你是參加這個論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
22065.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
22067.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
欸這個論壇啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
22067.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
22068.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
表面上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
22069.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
22071.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
沒有一句話提到Grab |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
22071.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
22073.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
但是裡面的內文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
22073.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
22074.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
繼續都是Grab |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
22075.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
22077.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
我簡單講給你聽啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].start |
22078.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
22081.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
你提到外商投資外送平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
22081.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
22084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
帶動本地產業升級 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
22084.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
22086.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
外商平台就Grab啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
22086.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
22088.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
判新的業者加入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
22088.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
22091.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
然後回歸自由經濟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
22091.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
22093.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
政府避免過度介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
22093.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
22094.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
22095.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
22096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
22096.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
22097.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
你是部長之尊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
22097.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
22100.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
你是在暗示公平位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
22100.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
22103.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
暗示說你屬下的投審位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
22103.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
22104.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
不要審這個案子嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
22105.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
22106.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
22106.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
22108.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
沒有這樣的情況啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
22108.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
22109.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
我沒有講這樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
22110.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
22111.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
22112.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
22114.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
最後這個媒體下的標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
22114.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
22115.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
也變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
22115.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
22116.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
22118.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
22122.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
那現在就只有一個外資Grab要來並 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
22122.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
22123.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
而且這個並 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
22124.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
22126.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
Grab就是Uber |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].start |
22126.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].end |
22127.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4528].text |
並了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].start |
22127.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
22128.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].text |
不判法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].start |
22128.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
22129.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
那就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].start |
22129.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
22130.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
龍大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].start |
22131.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
22132.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
22132.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
22133.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
你非常清楚的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].start |
22135.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
22136.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
現在我請問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
22136.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
22138.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
那你我請問你哪一家外資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].start |
22138.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
22139.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
要來並 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].start |
22139.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
22140.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
22140.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
22141.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
要做外送平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].start |
22141.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
22143.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
你講你講還有哪一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].start |
22143.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
22144.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
我哪有理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
22146.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
22147.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].start |
22147.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
22148.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
最後你們也不演了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
22149.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
22150.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
22150.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
22152.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
說要借力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
22152.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
22154.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
這種是你的話吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
22154.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
22156.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
新平台的優勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
22156.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
22159.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].text |
Grab要踏出東南亞的第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].start |
22159.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
22160.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
沒有這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
22160.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
22161.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
我沒有講這個話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
22161.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
22162.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
標題是這麼下的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
22162.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
22164.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
那你跟小媒體抗議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
22164.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].end |
22165.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
22165.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
22166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
因為我只是去致辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
22166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
22167.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
我就離開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
22167.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
22168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
所以後面講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
22168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
22169.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
我完全不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].start |
22169.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
22171.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
你還沒離開之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
22171.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
22172.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
你就講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
22172.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
22173.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
你甚至還附和著說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
22173.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
22175.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
先投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
22176.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
22178.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
如果能進入市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
22178.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
22179.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
將有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
22179.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
22181.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
創造更多市場機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
22181.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
22183.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
提供工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
22183.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
22185.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
更好的就業選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
22185.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
22187.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
甚至協助企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
22187.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
22189.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
拓展海外市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
22189.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
22190.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
天啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
22192.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
22193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
不得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
22194.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
22195.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
你再怎麼忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
22195.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
22197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
你至少也要了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
22197.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
22199.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
這些Grab現在來做的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
22200.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
22201.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
22201.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
22202.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
與會就講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
22202.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
22204.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
同樣你說那是一個會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
22204.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
22205.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
好 那個與會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
22205.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
22206.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
有一個吳德威 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
22207.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
22208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
吳德威你應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
22209.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
22211.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
六年前2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
22211.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
22213.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
他在耕斗雲聯網 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
22213.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
22215.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
這一個董事長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
22215.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
22217.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
違法引入中資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
22217.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
22219.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
獵豹移動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
22219.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
22220.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
你記不記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
22221.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
22224.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
到時被你們經濟部投審司 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
22225.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
22227.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
掃撿掉耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
22228.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
22230.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
這個人大大方方就坐在你旁邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
22230.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
22232.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
一起再跟你談Grab的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
22233.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
22234.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
天啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
22235.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
22236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
我現在請問你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
22237.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
22239.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
公平衛跟你比平行單位好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
22239.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
22242.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
投審司是你下屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
22242.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
22245.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
你在上面的一舉手一投足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
22246.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
22248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
欸 他們都看得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
22248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
22250.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
你是在暗示他嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
22250.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
22251.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
沒有這樣 沒有這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
22251.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
22252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
我跟你舉個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
22254.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
22255.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
去年啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
22256.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
22257.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
那個要合併 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
22258.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
22259.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
星光金 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
22259.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
22262.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
台積金跟中信金正在競爭的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
22264.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
22268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
中信金用盡各種方法請金管會的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
22268.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
22271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
去參加他們辦的也是這種亂談 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
22272.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
22275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
當時的金管會彭主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
22275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
22277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
是如何被言詞拒絕 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
22277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
22279.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
而且他沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
22280.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
22282.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
這才是正確的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
22283.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
22284.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
22284.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
22285.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
一張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
22286.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
22287.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
就代表一切了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
22288.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
22290.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
更何況你在那裡不只一張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
22291.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
22293.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
你不只這張照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
22294.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
22295.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
你還講了一堆話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
22297.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
22300.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
所以我不懂啦你這是什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
22300.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
22301.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
那時間暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
22301.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
22303.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
我請公平衛陳主委在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
22304.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
22306.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
公平衛陳大律主委在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
22306.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
22307.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
委員我已經在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
22307.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
22309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
公平衛已經被尋了請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
22309.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
22311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
喔就你喔抱歉抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
22311.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
22312.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
22312.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
22313.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
22315.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
22318.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
你可以問問院長旁邊的主委陳主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
22319.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
22322.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
我想你在這一個論壇你也有受到邀請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
22322.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
22326.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
但是你沒有去嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
22326.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
22328.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
那你為什麼沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
22328.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
22330.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
因為這個案子目前是在我們審查當中啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
22330.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
22332.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
我是覺得不太妥當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
22332.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
22334.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
是啊你在審查不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
22336.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
22342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
經濟部辭私我們國家所有我們自己內資外資在台灣的投資 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
22342.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
22343.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
尤其 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
22345.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
22348.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
如果在公平衛這邊通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
22348.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
22350.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
不管怎麼樣通過附條件條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
22350.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
22353.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
再來就是經濟部投審司要審 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
22354.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
22356.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
那個部長這樣你聽到了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
22356.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
22358.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
他說他們正在審理中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
22358.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
22360.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
他不宜參加不是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
22362.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
22364.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
更何況你去的你還講的這些肉麻的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
22366.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
22368.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
你有什麼好解釋嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
22368.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
22370.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
我沒有講什麼話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
22371.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
22373.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
這就是一個開幕致詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
22373.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
22376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
開幕致詞開幕致詞就是講我剛剛講的這個嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
22376.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
22378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
而且就是一般性的致詞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
22378.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
22382.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
一般這個叫一般性對你對你來講一般性啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
22384.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
22386.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
都 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
22386.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
22393.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
全整個社會關注的尤其對外送平台還有這些小吃業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
22395.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
22397.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
22396.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
22398.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
引領氣派說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
22398.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
22401.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
政府是不是能夠很公平的審查幫他們擋住 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
22402 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
22405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
因為去年Uber才來要病夫潘打 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
22405 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
22408 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
被公平衛拒絕了駁回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
22408 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
22411 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
現在他換個名字Grab |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
22411.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
22413.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
22412.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
22414.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
Grab就是Uber啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
22415.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
22419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
他們兩個病人要占總市場95%以上 |
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22419.43 |
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22421.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
這當然是壟斷 |
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22422.25 |
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22424.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
水 |
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22423.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
22425.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
這個當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
22424.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
22426.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
結論怎麼樣 |
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22427.09 |
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22429.09 |
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你們自己判斷 |
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22429.09 |
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22430.09 |
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那你 |
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22430.09 |
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22432.09 |
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幹嘛不應該去 |
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22431.01 |
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22434.01 |
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因為你的位階跟你執掌的職權 |
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22434.01 |
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22436.01 |
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你手握的資源 |
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22437.32 |
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22439.32 |
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遠大於公平位 |
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22440.2 |
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22442.2 |
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那你這麼做 |
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22441.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
22443.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
然後 |
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22471.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
22474.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
所以如果讓他們合併成功 |
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22474.79 |
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22478.79 |
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我們台灣的圖紙將呈現在華為在中共面前 |
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22478.79 |
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22480.79 |
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這是另外一個國安問題 |
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22480.79 |
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22482.79 |
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結果 |
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22482.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
22484.79 |
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你好像不太當一回事 |
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22484.79 |
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22489.79 |
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然後更扯的是扯出一個說運輸總工會的理事長名字我就不提 |
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22489.79 |
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22493.79 |
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他說他代表他們是18個外送工會 |
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22493.79 |
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22495.79 |
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結果我們去查根本鬼扯 |
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22495.79 |
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22497.79 |
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真正的外送平台工會 |
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22497.79 |
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22499.79 |
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外送的 |
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22500.08 |
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22502.08 |
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這些外送員 |
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22502.08 |
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22504.08 |
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人家他們的工會 |
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22504.08 |
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22506.08 |
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他們有工會完全沒有被要求參加 |
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22506.08 |
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22509.08 |
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這個傢伙說他們掌握18個工會 |
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22509.08 |
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我去查的結果 |
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這些工會根本叫做簡單講四個字 |
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22513.08 |
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22515.08 |
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幽靈工會 |
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22515.08 |
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22517.08 |
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真的工會 |
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22517.07 |
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22518.07 |
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不要去 |
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22519.27 |
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然後弄個傢伙 |
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22520.29 |
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22522.29 |
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這個傢伙甚至原來背後 |
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22522.29 |
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22524.29 |
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Grab答應要投資他們 |
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22525.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
22527.93 |
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的運輸業天哪 |
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22528.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
22530.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
誰 |
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22530.1 |
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22532.1 |
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部長我跟你講 |
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22532.1 |
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22534.1 |
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你搞不清楚狀況以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
22534.1 |
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22536.1 |
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至少 |
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22535.07 |
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22537.07 |
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你的地址 |
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22536.88 |
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22538.88 |
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你的位階你又搞清楚 |
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22539.18 |
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22541.18 |
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不能碰就是不能碰 |
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22541.18 |
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22543.18 |
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你不能說我禮貌興趣致辭 |
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22545.55 |
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22547.55 |
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他也是禮貌興趣運用啊 |
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22547.93 |
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22549.93 |
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然後你屬下單位就看到了 |
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22550.48 |
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22552.48 |
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誰敢審 |
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22552.48 |
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22554.48 |
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我的立場是中立的我完全沒有偏袒 |
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22554.48 |
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22556.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
任何 |
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22556.48 |
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22558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
這個叫中立 |
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22558.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
22560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
中立 |
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22560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
22562.48 |
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我一句話就好 |
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22562.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
22564.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
我們經常會參加各種 |
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22564.48 |
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22566.48 |
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產業各種不同的一個活動 |
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22566.48 |
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22568.48 |
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去總是希望國內各行各業 |
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22568.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
22570.48 |
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產業能夠 |
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22570.48 |
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22572.48 |
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公平的 |
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22572.48 |
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22574.48 |
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而且很正面的去發展 |
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22574.48 |
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22576.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
那我跟 |
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22576.3 |
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22578.3 |
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公務長還有經濟部還有其他部會同仁 |
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22578.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
22580.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
在多少次的會議當中我們認為 |
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22580.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
22582.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
臺灣應該有一個公平的一個 |
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22582.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
22584.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
社會的商業的環境 |
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22584.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
22586.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
競爭的條件這個 |
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22586.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
22588.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
都是我們在內心有的一個標準 |
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22588.3 |
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22590.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
所以如果你認為我們 |
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22590.3 |
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22592.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
認為公務長在當天的 |
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22592.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
22594.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
舉手投足代表一個什麼 |
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22594.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
22596.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
樣的意義的話今天我在 |
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22596.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
22598.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
這裡再鄭重的說對 |
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22598.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
22600.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
這個事情公平會依 |
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22600.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
22602.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
照法律公平 |
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22602.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
22604.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
的去審理政府沒有特別立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
22604.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
22606.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
沒有偏袒哪一邊 |
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22606.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
22608.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
但是我們追求一個公平合理的 |
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22608.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
22610.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
社會以及商業環境的 |
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22610.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
22612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
這個活動是我們內心的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
22612.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
22614.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
我們一切就看月底審 |
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22614.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
22616.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
出來的結論是怎樣 |
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22616.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
22618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
好不好我希望這個 |
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22618.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
22620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
結論不要讓 |
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22620.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
22622.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
我們整個社會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
22622.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
22624.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
有三疏的感覺 |
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22624.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
22626.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
再來我講一個比較輕鬆的話題 |
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22626.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
22628.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
這個也是社會 |
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22628.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
22630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
關注我們臺灣的 |
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22630.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
22632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
罰單我們這幾年來 |
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22632.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
22634.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
罰單大量增加 |
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22634.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
22636.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
去年我們開了1631萬 |
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22637.44 |
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22639.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
的罰單 |
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22639.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
22641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
是日本日本去年 |
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22641.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
22643.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
493萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
22643.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
22645.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
鄧總我們的人口2300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
22645.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
22647.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
日本1.2億人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
22649.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
22651.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
日本的人口是我們的5倍 |
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22651.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
22653.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
車輛是我們的3.4倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
22653.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
22655.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
結果他的罰單 |
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22655.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
22657.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
是我們三分之一不到 |
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22657.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
22659.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
三分之一不到 |
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22660.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
22662.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
哦 |
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22662.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
22664.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
我們比起十年前 |
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22664.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
22666.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
我們總建樹 |
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22666.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
22668.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
快速成長 |
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22668.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
22670.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
衝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
22670.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
22672.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
這個 |
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22671.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
22673.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
928萬件 |
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22673.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
22675.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
成長到將近兩倍 |
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22675.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
22677.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
1631件 |
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22677.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
22679.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
1.75倍 |
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22680.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
22682.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
1.75倍 |
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22682.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
22684.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
所以我覺得這不可思議 |
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22684.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
22686.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
那你如果說罰單開了 |
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22686.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
22688.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
如果能夠降低我們車禍死亡人數 |
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22688.02 |
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22690.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
減少車禍的傷亡等等 |
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22690.02 |
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22692.02 |
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也還好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
22692.02 |
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22694.02 |
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結果我們的車禍死亡人數 |
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22694.02 |
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22696.02 |
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都一直高居 |
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22696.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
22698.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
3000位 |
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22698.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
22700.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
111年3064位 |
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22700.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
22702.02 |
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去年減到2800位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
22702.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
22704.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
當然有進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
22704.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
22706.02 |
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但是反觀日本 |
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22706.02 |
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22708.02 |
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日本交通死亡人數就我講 |
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22708.02 |
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22710.02 |
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他的人口 |
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22710.02 |
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22712.02 |
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是我們的五倍 |
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22712.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
22714.02 |
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但是他車禍死傷 |
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22714.02 |
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22716.02 |
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傷亡人數是不到 |
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22716.02 |
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22718.02 |
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我們的八成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
22718.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
22720.02 |
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他才2500人而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
22720.02 |
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22722.02 |
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他我們的五倍人口 |
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22722.02 |
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22724.02 |
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所以我覺得這個部分 |
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22724.02 |
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22726.02 |
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如果說真的能夠改善交通也還好 |
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22726.02 |
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22728.02 |
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還有交通部一向 |
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22728.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
22730.02 |
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有速度的迷失 |
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22730.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
22732.02 |
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我去列舉了說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
22732.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
22734.02 |
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那十大會發生車禍的原因 |
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22734.02 |
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22736.02 |
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最大的車禍的原因就是 |
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22736.02 |
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22738.02 |
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駕駛人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
22738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
22740.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
緊張心不在焉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
22740.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
22742.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
還有包括什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
22742.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
22744.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
我們到處科技 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
22744.02 |
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22746.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
執法太多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
22746.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
22748.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
你看我們罰單數這麼高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
22748.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
22750.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
駕駛人根本沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
22750.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
22752.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
完全安心 |
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22752.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
22754.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
當然交通部也做很多改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
22754.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
22756.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
尤其是對機車 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
22756.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
22758.02 |
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你們要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
22758.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
22760.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
對車況對燈光 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
22760.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
22762.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
煞車零件你們要求這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
22762.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
22764.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
22763.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
22765.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
22765.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
22767.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
前十大噪音因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
22767.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
22769.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
沒有一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
22769.4 |
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22771.4 |
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是因為說 |
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22771.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
22773.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
輪胎、燈光、煞車、零件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
22773.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
22775.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
統統沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
22775.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
22777.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
我們專欺負騎機車的小市民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
22777.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
22779.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
朋友們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
22779.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
22781.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
他們好差嘛,好欺負嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
22781.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
22783.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
所以我認為對於機車的見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
22783.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
22785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
還不如我們怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
22785.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
22787.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
我們給道路見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
22787.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
22789.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
這才有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
22789.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
22791.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
道路高處有坑洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
22792.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
22794.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
凹凸不平上下齊居 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
22794.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
22796.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
這些比方說道路見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
22796.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
22798.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
我們該做的現在22縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
22798.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
22800.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
很多地方都廣設 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
22800.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
22802.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
這個行人庇護島 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
22802.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
22804.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
那有的行人庇護島 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
22804.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
22806.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
高度不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
22806.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
22808.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
位置是在死角 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
22808.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
22810.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
那這些反而發生了很多車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
22810.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
22812.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
這個台北市我們光是在內湖 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
22812.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
22814.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
兩個禮拜內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
22814.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
22816.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
行人庇護島撞了四次 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
22816.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
22818.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
台中兩個月內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
22818.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
22820.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
發生16件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
22820.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
22822.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
機車左轉自撞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
22822.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
22824.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
撞到行人庇護島 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
22824.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
22826.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
在這些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
22826.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
22828.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
院長是不是你可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
22828.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
22830.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
謝謝委員的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
22830.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
22832.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
我請部長再來詳細說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
22832.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
22834.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
我們應該檢討第一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
22834.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
22836.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
道路的設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
22836.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
22838.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
是不是能夠合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
22838.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
22840.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
再來是交通規則是不是能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
22840.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
22842.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
有人性化的一個設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
22842.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
22844.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
或者是我們的號誌規劃的設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
22844.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
22846.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
是不是適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
22846.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
22848.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
這個都必須檢討下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
22848.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
22850.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
再來是說國人的手法跟習慣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
22850.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
22852.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
我們要能夠來協助大家如何養成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
22852.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
22854.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
對人民來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
22854.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
22856.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
政府只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
22856.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
22858.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
不管是22縣市政府說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
22858.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
22860.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
為了地方自己收入罰單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
22860.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
22862.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
中央政府有權來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
22862.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
22864.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
對這句話下個定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
22864.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
22866.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
簡單講先把罰單減量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
22868.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
22869.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
我屁眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
22870.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
22872.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
過度曲解的罰單 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
22872.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
22876.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
應該通令22縣市好好檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
22876.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
22878.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
22878.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
22880.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
科技執法交通部在檢討當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
22880.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
22882.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
我們有測出了幾處 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
22882.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
22884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
是不是部長來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
22884.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
22886.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
跟委員報告您剛剛所質詢的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
22886.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
22888.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
我知道您相當關心交通的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
22888.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
22890.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
不過速度管理這一點是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
22890.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
22892.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
就是說以瑞典 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
22892.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
22894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
臨死亡願景發起的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
22894.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
22896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
結果我知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
22896.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
22898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
報告時間有限部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
22898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
22900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
速度管理對他們來講是一個重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
22900.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
22902.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
你先請回我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
22902.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
22904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
你剛剛講的那些我都看過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
22904.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
22906.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
我只是告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
22906.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
22908.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
時間繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
22917.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
22919.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
20年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
22919.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
22921.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
就揪取過波波醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
22921.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
22923.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
結果這20年來不但波波醫師 |
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波波牙醫大量的 |
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增長那麼這嚴重的 |
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22929.99 |
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危害了我們的台灣價值 |
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台灣價值就是我們台灣 |
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每個人每個世代都要有 |
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公平的就學權 |
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受教權教育權 |
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22937.99 |
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公平的工作權 |
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22939.99 |
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哪有這些波波醫師 |
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波波牙醫因為他們 |
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22945.99 |
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在那樣子的國家受到的訊息 |
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22945.99 |
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我們台灣的醫師或牙醫 |
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是我們台灣這些醫學教授們 |
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22951.99 |
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大家手把手交出來 |
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22951.99 |
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22953.99 |
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所以我們台灣的 |
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22953.99 |
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醫學的品質 |
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是傲視世界 |
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結果現在如果大量的 |
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22961.99 |
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波波牙醫波波醫師 |
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22961.99 |
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22963.99 |
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再繼續下去會嚴重的 |
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22965.99 |
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影響降低了我們的 |
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22965.99 |
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22967.99 |
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醫療水準所以我個人 |
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22967.99 |
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22969.99 |
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是認為這樣我認為說 |
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22969.99 |
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22971.99 |
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我們國外畢業生的學歷 |
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22971.99 |
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22973.99 |
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應該改採要 |
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22973.99 |
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22975.99 |
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任命的 |
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22975.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
22977.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
要列這個名單 |
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22977.99 |
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22979.99 |
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哪一些學校可以去 |
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22979.99 |
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22981.99 |
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那麼畢業生 |
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22981.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
22983.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
國外畢業生醫學系牙醫學系 |
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22983.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
22985.99 |
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應該限定名額是我們 |
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22985.99 |
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22987.99 |
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國內招生名額的 |
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22987.99 |
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22989.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
十分之一才對 |
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22989.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
22991.99 |
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而且最重要我認為 |
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22991.99 |
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22993.99 |
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要揭露在網站上 |
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22993.99 |
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22995.99 |
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在醫院裡面要揭露 |
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22995.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
22997.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
波波牙醫波波醫師的學歷 |
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22997.99 |
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22999.99 |
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還有最後 |
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22999.99 |
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23001.99 |
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我們政府應該拿出態度 |
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23001.99 |
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23003.99 |
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波波醫師波波牙醫設 |
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23003.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
23005.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
弱勢條款 |
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23005.99 |
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23007.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
大家不要再給他們有一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
23007.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
23009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
中南節訓在我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
23009.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
23011.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
要當醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
23011.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
23013.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
大家就一步一步考試 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
23013.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
23015.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
優秀的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
23015.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
23017.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
然後去念醫學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
23017.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
23019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
然後嚴格的受教這樣才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
23019.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
23021.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
23022.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
23024.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
是的我們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
23024.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
23026.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
台灣的醫療的服務量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
23026.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
23028.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
舉世肯定我們要維持這樣的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
23028.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
23030.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
所以由台灣內部 |
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23030.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
23032.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
自己訓練而成的任何的醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
23032.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
23034.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
護理人員都是我們珍惜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
23034.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
23036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
但我們針對過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
23036.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
23038.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
多少年來有這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
23038.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
23040.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
剛剛委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
23040.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
23042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
波波牙醫這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
23042.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
23044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
我們也去年以前也做了相當多的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
23044.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
23046.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
我們希望在一定的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
23047.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
23049.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
來讓他們夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
23049.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
23051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
把過去產生的這些能夠消化掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
23051.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
23053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
一定的時間來解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
23053.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
23055.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
但是不會影響到本國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
23055.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
23057.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
新全的這樣新的我們就不要再 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
23057.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
23059.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
我們設個弱勢條款 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
23059.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
23061.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
好不好那個院長我時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
23061.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
23063.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
你請政部長請兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
23063.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
23065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
兩位部長好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
23065.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
23067.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
回去研究我剛剛講的弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
23067.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
23069.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
條款來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
23069.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
23071.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
我們台灣的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
23071.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
23073.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
我們再不影響台灣本地的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
23073.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
23075.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
醫療品質的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
23075.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
23077.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
另外我們有這麼優秀 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
23077.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
23079.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
我們有這麼良好這麼嚴謹的醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
23079.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
23081.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
每年一定的量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
23081.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
23083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
一定的時間就要把這個事情能夠把它化解掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
23083.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
23085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
現在是過度集十分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
23085.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
23087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
現在結果數字也超過十分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
23087.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
23089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
好時間暫停兩位部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
23089.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
23091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
時間暫停兩位部長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
23091.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
23093.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
請返回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
23093.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
23095.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
請返回 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
23093.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
23095.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
那個院長還有一件頭痛的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].start |
23095.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].end |
23097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4965].text |
就是關於勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].start |
23097.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].end |
23099.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4966].text |
就是說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].start |
23099.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].end |
23101.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[4967].text |
我們在我們台灣的外籍 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].start |
23102.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].end |
23104.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4968].text |
人事突破百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].start |
23104.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].end |
23106.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4969].text |
外籍移工也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].start |
23106.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].end |
23108.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4970].text |
那麼外籍移工裡面逃逸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].start |
23108.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].end |
23110.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4971].text |
現在竟然超過十萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].start |
23110.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].end |
23112.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4972].text |
結果好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].start |
23112.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].end |
23114.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4973].text |
我們各級單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].start |
23114.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].end |
23116.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4974].text |
移民署也好勞動部也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].start |
23116.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].end |
23118.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4975].text |
我們警政單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].start |
23118.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].end |
23120.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4976].text |
更是因為警政單位已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].start |
23120.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].end |
23122.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4977].text |
太多任務要做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].start |
23122.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].end |
23124.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4978].text |
要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].start |
23123.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].end |
23125.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4979].text |
防災 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].start |
23124.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].end |
23126.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4980].text |
要抓毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].start |
23126.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].end |
23128.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4981].text |
要一般的治安要交通 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].start |
23128.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].end |
23130.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4982].text |
根本沒有餘力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].start |
23130.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].end |
23132.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4983].text |
所以是不是那個部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].start |
23132.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].end |
23134.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4984].text |
在這個部份越南政府他們已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].start |
23134.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].end |
23136.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4985].text |
祭出方式了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].start |
23136.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].end |
23138.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4986].text |
他們祭出一個方式就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].start |
23138.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].end |
23140.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4987].text |
如果我允許你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].start |
23140.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4988].end |
23142.79 |
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出國去工作的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].start |
23142.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].end |
23144.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4989].text |
你過了這個期限回來他們要罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].start |
23144.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].end |
23146.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4990].text |
一億越南幣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].start |
23147.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].end |
23149.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4991].text |
他們祭出這個法則 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].start |
23149.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].end |
23151.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4992].text |
所以院長是不是你車程部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].start |
23151.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].end |
23153.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4993].text |
那個勞動部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].start |
23153.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].end |
23155.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4994].text |
他好好的去想想說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].start |
23155.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].end |
23157.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4995].text |
部份怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].start |
23157.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].end |
23159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4996].text |
來做一個調整來因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].start |
23159.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].end |
23161.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4997].text |
人家其他國家他們都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].start |
23161.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].end |
23163.83 |
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好的對策了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].start |
23163.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].end |
23165.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
那個部長 |
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23165.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].end |
23167.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[5000].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].start |
23167.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].end |
23169.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5001].text |
其實在逃逸公的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].start |
23169.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].end |
23171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5002].text |
或失聯移工的問題上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].start |
23171.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].end |
23173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5003].text |
其實在2025年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].start |
23173.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].end |
23175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5004].text |
確實那時候是比較高峰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].start |
23175.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].end |
23177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5005].text |
大概有到九萬五左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].start |
23177.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].end |
23179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5006].text |
那其實在這一年的時間裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].start |
23179.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].end |
23181.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5007].text |
這一年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].start |
23181.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].end |
23183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5008].text |
從今年上半年開始持續的在下降中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].start |
23183.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].end |
23185.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5009].text |
那目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].start |
23185.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].end |
23187.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5010].text |
這個累積的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].start |
23187.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].end |
23189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5011].text |
失聯移工的人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].start |
23189.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].end |
23191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5012].text |
大概已經低於九萬人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].start |
23191.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].end |
23193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
我手上的數字是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].start |
23193.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].end |
23195.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
十萬人喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
23195.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].end |
23197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].text |
那已經低於九萬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].start |
23197.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].end |
23199.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5016].text |
所以在今年我們整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].start |
23199.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].end |
23201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5017].text |
在這個失聯移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
23201.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].end |
23203.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].text |
的應對上面其實是有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].start |
23203.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].end |
23205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5019].text |
成效的當然我們還會在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].start |
23205.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].end |
23207.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5020].text |
再接再厲因為我知道社會很關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
23207.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
23209.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
這個問題我們會在再接再厲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].start |
23209.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].end |
23211.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
所以我們現在包括也跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].start |
23211.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].end |
23213.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
內政部也跟移民署我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].start |
23213.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].end |
23215.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
其實接下來會有更多跨部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
23215.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
23217.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
的合作尤其是針對這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
23217.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
23219.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
非法仲介 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
23219.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
23221.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
針對這些非法仲介 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
23221.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
23223.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
來去做強力的來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
23223.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
23225.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
做相關的查緝這部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
23225.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].end |
23227.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
我們跟劉部長這邊我們已經開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
23227.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
23229.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
兩個部會開了跨部會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
23229.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
23231.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
這個會議劉部長我常跟他討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
23231.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].end |
23233.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
政策他沒有問題好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
23233.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
23235.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
那時間暫停你們兩位部長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
23235.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
23237.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
時間暫停內政部勞動部請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
23240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
23241.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
OK |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].start |
23243.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].end |
23244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
請館會通知 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].start |
23244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].end |
23246.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5038].text |
請金管會諸位備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].start |
23260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].end |
23262.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
院長諸位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
23262.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
23264.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
我們用AI防詐是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
23264.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].end |
23266.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
但是不能讓身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
23266.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].end |
23268.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
變成可疑人物啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].start |
23269.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].end |
23273.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
事實上最近他們在做的就是要做影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].start |
23274.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
23276.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
結果我們台灣身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
23276.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
23278.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
有120萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].start |
23278.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
23280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
裡面有35萬位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
23280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
23282.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
是輪椅族 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].start |
23282.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
23284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
還有顏面商場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].start |
23284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].end |
23286.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
也有上萬位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].start |
23286.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].end |
23288.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
那他們幾乎完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
23288.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
23290.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
攝影不到而且這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].start |
23290.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
23292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
我們已經嚴重違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].start |
23292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
23294.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
身心障礙者權利公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
23294.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
23296.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
也違反了主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
23296.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
23298.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
那時候你在金管會你要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
23298.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
23300.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
銀行監控說你要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].start |
23300.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
23302.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
公平待客你訂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].start |
23302.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
23304.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
一個公平待客原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].start |
23304.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].end |
23306.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
這不但違反身心障礙公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
23306.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].end |
23308.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
也違反了你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
23308.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].end |
23310.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
公平待客原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
23310.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].end |
23312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
而且導入ATM的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
23312.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
23314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
臉部防詐措施後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
23314.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].end |
23316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].start |
23316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].end |
23318.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
這整件事很粗暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
23318.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
23320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
事先也沒宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
23320.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
23322.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
那麼一下子全國現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].start |
23322.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
23324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
有3萬3000多台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
23324.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
23326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
大概去年本來只裝了1% |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].start |
23326.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].end |
23328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5070].text |
要影像的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].start |
23328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].end |
23330.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5071].text |
現在已經高達7% |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].start |
23330.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].end |
23332.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5072].text |
現在有2500台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].start |
23332.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].end |
23334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5073].text |
照他們的說法還要繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].start |
23334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].end |
23336.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5074].text |
增加到全部都不適 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].start |
23336.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].end |
23338.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5075].text |
所以我覺得這不但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].start |
23338.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].end |
23340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5076].text |
違反這 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].start |
23339.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].end |
23341.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[5077].text |
兩大原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].start |
23342.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].end |
23344.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5078].text |
也間接的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].start |
23344.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].end |
23346.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5079].text |
歧視的身障者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].start |
23346.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].end |
23348.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5080].text |
所以這個部分我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].start |
23348.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].end |
23350.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5081].text |
是不是你們能夠積極的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].start |
23350.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].end |
23352.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5082].text |
跟這些銀行監控公司好好談一談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].start |
23352.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].end |
23354.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5083].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].start |
23354.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].end |
23356.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5084].text |
要防詐也對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].start |
23356.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].end |
23358.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5085].text |
但是既然要攝影 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].start |
23358.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].end |
23360.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5086].text |
要影像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].start |
23360.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].end |
23362.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5087].text |
你就要調到拍得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].start |
23363.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].end |
23365.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5088].text |
他坐著 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].start |
23364.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].end |
23366.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5089].text |
他不用動 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].start |
23366.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].end |
23368.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5090].text |
也應該拍得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].start |
23368.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].end |
23370.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5091].text |
否則就不要來這一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].start |
23370.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].end |
23372.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5092].text |
是是委員這個我們都有在考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].start |
23372.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].end |
23374.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5093].text |
所以這部分因為我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].start |
23374.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].end |
23376.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5094].text |
只是先做一些示範我們收集很多意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].start |
23376.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].end |
23378.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5095].text |
像剛剛委員提到都是我們未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].start |
23378.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].end |
23380.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[5096].text |
調教的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].start |
23380.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].end |
23382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5097].text |
我現在還在鼓勵的性質 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].start |
23382.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].end |
23384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5098].text |
我現在還在努力裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].start |
23384.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].end |
23386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5099].text |
在鼓勵的性質我希望在執行的過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].start |
23386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].end |
23388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5100].text |
高度角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].start |
23388.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].end |
23390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5101].text |
準度都要注意得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].start |
23390.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].end |
23392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5102].text |
避免王委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].start |
23392.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].end |
23394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5103].text |
發生這種不愉快的反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].start |
23394.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].end |
23396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5104].text |
我們有35萬位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].start |
23396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].end |
23398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5105].text |
倫以族的朋友們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].start |
23398.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].end |
23400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5106].text |
這一點要緊記在心 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].start |
23400.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].end |
23402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5107].text |
我們一定會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].start |
23402.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].end |
23404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5108].text |
照顧到所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].start |
23404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].end |
23406.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5109].text |
的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].start |
23406.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].end |
23408.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5110].text |
時間暫停你請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].start |
23408.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].end |
23410.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5111].text |
時間暫停請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].start |
23410.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].end |
23412.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5112].text |
院長我最後要跟你談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].start |
23412.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].end |
23414.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5113].text |
最頭痛的問題啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].start |
23414.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].end |
23416.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5114].text |
就是關於死刑犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].start |
23416.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].end |
23418.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5115].text |
那麼我們37位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].start |
23418.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].end |
23420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5116].text |
死刑犯啊總算 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].start |
23420.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].end |
23422.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5117].text |
老天懲罰病逝了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].start |
23422.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].end |
23424.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5118].text |
兩位那你一上任 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].start |
23424.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].end |
23426.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5119].text |
有槍決一位但現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].start |
23426.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].end |
23428.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5120].text |
等於還有34位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].start |
23428.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].end |
23430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5121].text |
34位那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].start |
23430.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].end |
23432.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5122].text |
上回政部長也跟我說對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].start |
23432.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].end |
23434.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5123].text |
因為現在要請檢察 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].start |
23434.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].end |
23436.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5124].text |
組長是不是要提出上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].start |
23436.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].end |
23438.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[5125].text |
有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].start |
23437.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].end |
23439.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5126].text |
兩年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].start |
23439.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].end |
23441.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5127].text |
提出兩件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].start |
23441.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].end |
23443.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5128].text |
上訴兩位死刑犯上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].start |
23443.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].end |
23445.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[5129].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].start |
23446.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].end |
23448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5130].text |
兩年來才提出兩位上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].start |
23448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].end |
23450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5131].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].start |
23450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].end |
23452.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5132].text |
檢察總統根據那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].start |
23452.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].end |
23454.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5133].text |
多的狀況證據之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].start |
23454.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].end |
23456.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5134].text |
以他那麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].start |
23456.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].end |
23458.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5135].text |
專業的法律見解 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].start |
23458.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].end |
23460.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5136].text |
他也一年一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].start |
23460.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].end |
23462.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5137].text |
等於兩年兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].start |
23462.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].end |
23464.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5138].text |
本來我還寄望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].start |
23464.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].end |
23466.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5139].text |
五位不是兩位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].start |
23466.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].end |
23468.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5140].text |
五位你覺得五位比兩位多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].start |
23468.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].end |
23470.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5141].text |
五位就我跟你講的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].start |
23470.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].end |
23472.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5142].text |
有三位是因為憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].start |
23472.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].end |
23474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5143].text |
當時解釋的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].start |
23474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].end |
23476.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5144].text |
他就同意啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].start |
23477.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].end |
23479.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].start |
23479.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].end |
23481.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5146].text |
另外有三位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].start |
23481.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].end |
23483.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5147].text |
但是那個不是檢察總長提起上訴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].start |
23483.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].end |
23485.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5148].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].start |
23485.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].end |
23487.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5149].text |
你認為五位就很 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].start |
23487.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].end |
23489.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5150].text |
光榮嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].start |
23489.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].end |
23491.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5151].text |
沒有說就是要嚴格審核 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].start |
23491.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].end |
23493.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5152].text |
要審核他那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].start |
23493.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].end |
23495.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5153].text |
我們上回在這個總質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].start |
23495.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].end |
23497.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5154].text |
說一年槍斃一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].start |
23497.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].end |
23499.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5155].text |
我就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].start |
23499.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].end |
23501.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5156].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].start |
23499.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].end |
23501.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5157].text |
三十五位槍斃完我們在座可能都坐谷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].start |
23501.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].end |
23503.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5158].text |
現在更慘 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].start |
23504.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].end |
23506.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5159].text |
現在原來不是一年要槍斃一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].start |
23506.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].end |
23508.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
一年要提起一位的非常上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].start |
23510.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].end |
23512.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5161].text |
等於就擺明了就是多位人就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].start |
23514.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].end |
23516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5162].text |
一年才上訴一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].start |
23516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].end |
23518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5163].text |
非常上訴又好幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].start |
23518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].end |
23520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
非常上訴的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].start |
23520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].end |
23522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5165].text |
還不曉得怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].start |
23522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].end |
23524.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5166].text |
搞不好他平反啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].start |
23524.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].end |
23526.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[5167].text |
還放他出去呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].start |
23526.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].end |
23528.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5168].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].start |
23527.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].end |
23529.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5169].text |
那現在我們連一年槍斃一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].start |
23529.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].end |
23531.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[5170].text |
也等不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].start |
23532.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].end |
23534.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5171].text |
我真搞不懂這叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].start |
23534.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].end |
23536.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5172].text |
司法正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].start |
23536.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].end |
23538.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5173].text |
帥院長我再一次提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].start |
23539.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
23541.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
這些主張廢死的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].start |
23541.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
23543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5175].text |
就是集體的數位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].start |
23543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].end |
23545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5176].text |
他們我送他們八個字啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].start |
23545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].end |
23547.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
假人假意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].start |
23547.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
23549.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
歧視道明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].start |
23551.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
23553.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
我希望你把這 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].start |
23556.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
23558.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
在合法的程序下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].start |
23558.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
23560.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].start |
23560.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
23562.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
我們就可以把他 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].start |
23562.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
23564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
憲法在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].start |
23564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
23566.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
當初原始定義憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].start |
23566.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
23568.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
沒有主張廢死啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].start |
23568.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
23570.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
美國日本中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].start |
23570.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
23572.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
現在都還在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].start |
23574.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
23576.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
這個國家都比我們強 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
23576.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
23578.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
比我們大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
23585.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
23587.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
謝謝王世堅委的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
23587.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
23589.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
謝謝主任院長相關部會首長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
23589.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
23591.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
23600.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
23602.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
接下來我們請柯志恩委質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
23602.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
23604.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
張宏錄委請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
23614.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
23616.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
謝謝主席我們是不是請錯院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
23616.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
23618.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
麻煩再請柯院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].start |
23625.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
23627.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
各位好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].start |
23627.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
23629.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
我想最近幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].start |
23629.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
23631.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
台灣對於毒品這樣的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].start |
23631.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
23633.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
不管在我們的社會在我們政壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
23633.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
23635.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
都選取非常大的一個震撼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
23635.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
23637.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
我想我們對於反毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].start |
23637.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
23639.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
這個決心沒有模糊的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].start |
23639.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
23641.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
不准他進入校園跟社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].start |
23641.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
23643.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
這樣的一個界限我們應該都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
23643.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
23645.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
守得住的這是無庸置疑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
23645.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
23647.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
23647.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
23649.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
那我想說政府口口實實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
23649.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
23651.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
說是要反毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
23651.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
23653.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
然後你也有跨部會的一個防治 |
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我們來看看審計部最近所公佈的 |
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這個總決算的這個 |
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審核報告裡面到底是怎麼樣 |
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來打臉的 |
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院長我要提醒這不是冷冰冰的數字 |
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這是告訴我們的毒害 |
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正在侵入我們的校園 |
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而且快速的蔓延 |
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而且它殘害的下一代 |
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這是一個非常迫切的進行式 |
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我們來看一下 |
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衛福部的統計我們所通報的 |
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我特別指出兒少 |
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兒少是用第一級第二級非常嚴重 |
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第一級第二級的毒品數 |
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從112年的91人 |
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現在上升到492 |
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它的增幅是 |
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440% |
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而且我更care的是 |
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在學的兒少人數是在學校 |
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念書的兒少人數 |
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它是從110年的257上升到 |
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591它的增幅是 |
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超過129 |
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然後呢兒少是用毒品的問題 |
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非常的嚴重而且我只有 |
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指出是一二級更不要說 |
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三四級那根本就是數字更是可怕 |
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你再來看一下 |
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我們再犯的這樣子的通報率 |
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也達到將近三成 |
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再犯那這個12歲到 |
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18歲少年他們的通報率 |
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到這個三成一再的 |
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一個沉淪那我們的關懷 |
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我們的跨部會我們的反毒 |
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這麼多的染毒的 |
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孩子再回到學校再回到 |
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社區它幾乎是沒有任何 |
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可以把它接住的而且我也 |
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去過這個矯正單位特別是 |
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這個學校去參觀過他們幾乎是 |
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所有入學的孩子大概 |
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八成七都是用毒品的部分 |
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而且很多是來自於施工的 |
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家庭我覺得院長 |
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這日的數字是不是說明 |
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我們目前的反毒的政策 |
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特別是對兒少部分是 |
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徹底的一個失敗反毒的 |
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努力是一天都不能停止 |
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我可以提供最新就是禮拜 |
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這個禮拜新的一份資料給委員 |
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參考在那個資料裡面詳細 |
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數字我現在沒有辦法背起來但是 |
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初犯 |
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反毒犯初犯的第一次犯的 |
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是下降的 |
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其他的數字有增加因為我們增加了 |
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很多的唾液的篩檢 |
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很多的增加檢驗的能量 |
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所以提倡是有上升 |
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但初犯是下降的 |
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這個我可以提供給委員參考 |
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但是你知道他整個的樣態 |
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因為很多的樣態提出來 |
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就是以毒養毒他們給 |
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這些學生太多學生 |
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在第一線工作做會很清楚免費 |
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所以會誘導他 |
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當他沒有辦法有錢的時候他必須要當他的 |
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密封就是讓他去幫忙 |
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送貨然後在班級在同學 |
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當中不斷的流竄而且最重要 |
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是很可惡的他們 |
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完全是利用少年事件 |
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處事法就是少事法的部分 |
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因為這些未成年 |
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他有保護的這個部分而且 |
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他也沒有資料所以到時候你抓 |
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的都是這些工具人背後的 |
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那些淫汙者沒有辦法 |
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所以這個東西的裡面他們一線 |
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面交收穫發貨這個東西 |
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才會變成我說再犯的比例 |
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非常的高因為 |
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這些人學生回到學校 |
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裡面之後他的生活圈還是 |
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跳脫不足這個部分 |
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藥頭還有這些生活 |
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圈完全一樣而且 |
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院長成人再犯的比例 |
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也達到45.9成人再犯 |
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的比率所以你會發現這很多 |
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細度的人就好像一個旋轉門 |
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一樣他們被這個所謂緩起訴 |
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之後重返社區 |
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然後之後沒有這個所謂的 |
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處遇 |
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然後也沒有在心理上做一些的 |
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支持所以他們只好跟這些 |
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藥頭又綁在一起然後 |
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彼此在這個社區當中就像個未爆彈 |
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一樣這就是活生生的 |
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事實而且最可怕的是我們 |
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現在新型的毒品依托 |
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彌製這在社區裡面因為他比較小 |
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而且他不容易攜帶 |
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所以你看這數據裡面去年 |
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前九個月他的 |
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查獲的量就爆增了一倍 |
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而且你看毒駕 |
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撞死警察撞死一些無辜的家庭 |
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那所造成所少的一個家庭 |
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的一個悲劇而且部長 |
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院長我要特別提示我上次 |
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詢詢的時候呢才從四級 |
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依通名詞才從四級變成三級 |
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到現在為止變成一級 |
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經過了這麼多的時間 |
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死了這麼多人之後才把九項 |
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提升為一級而且把 |
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拓葉的這個快篩劑目前 |
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才納入這個時間已經耗掉 |
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太多了難道這個過程當中 |
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我們政府不應該檢討嗎 |
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提升跟拓葉一次 |
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數個月之前就已經納進來了 |
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不是現在但是我們知道 |
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溯源追查源頭是重要的 |
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無論是製毒或販毒一定把 |
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源頭那個抓出來當然是重要 |
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我再製圖一個過去的例子 |
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這個依通名詞從那個四級 |
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三級像113年 |
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變長從四級變三級到我們 |
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110才變成一級這個過程 |
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當中整個的速度 |
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當中我提出來是有點太緩慢 |
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這個速度是非常快的 |
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這個依通名詞是因為我們 |
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班南單位去化學到濫用這些化學物質 |
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而趕緊提出來 |
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就做毒品的一個方式 |
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所以說我們在從一年內 |
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一年內從一年多從 |
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三級變二級然後 |
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半年內從二級變一級 |
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所以這個速度很快而且這些 |
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對有關毒價的這些部分 |
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我們也就修改在大院 |
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那也都是因為死傷非常多 |
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政府正視這個問題而且我同意 |
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就是因為陳委員講我們是正視這個問題 |
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所以我們才速度非常快 |
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還是一樣嘛 |
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所以說這裡面成人的再犯率 |
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4成6這還是一個非常重要 |
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所以我要求院長你是不是責成大家 |
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在一個月之內能夠 |
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跟我們實質的防堵跟藉營 |
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改善的檢討報告一個月之內有沒有辦法提出 |
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因為目前為止是非常多 |
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大家非常關心這個問題 |
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其實剛委員報告是現在適用的人口 |
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新生的人口以及 |
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我們再犯率就是一種 |
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下降的一個趨勢 |
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4成6還在擺在那個地方 |
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部長你可以有你的說法4成6 |
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就是擺在那個地方的再犯率 |
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而且我要提出剛好衛福部長也在這個地方 |
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新興毒品的這樣子的一個 |
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氾濫其實一級已經提出警告 |
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過去我們傳統 |
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這個所謂美沙丼的替代療法 |
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對於像目前氾濫的這個 |
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有關新興毒品的咖啡包或是 |
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伊托米紙是沒有療效的所以說 |
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衛福部都針對這種新興毒品 |
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目前已經沒有辦法做出太多 |
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有沒有辦法提出具體的社區 |
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藉製醫學指引 |
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有沒有辦法 |
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有跟委員說明過去的美沙丼 |
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是針對鴉片類 |
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他的一個替代治療 |
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但是對於多元現在新興的毒品 |
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我們已經有這個多元的 |
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藥癮治療性的社區服務指引 |
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這些已經有 |
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什麼時候完成什麼時候給我報告還是現在已經有 |
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現在已經有 |
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已經有6家的民間機構 |
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開始我們已經補助他們在發展 |
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那麼另外也由國衛院發展了 |
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二級毒品的密集式的 |
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門診治療指引 |
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我不管怎麼樣因為現在剛好大家對於 |
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毒品的這樣子的氾濫還有新興毒品的防治的方法 |
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大家都非常的關切所以院長請你責成 |
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不管是如何 |
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這個社區醫療系統的這樣子的 |
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一個所謂的防治的指引 |
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還有包括未來如何能夠避免這些事情 |
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發生我們希望能夠更確實的 |
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素質跟防範的一個方式 |
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可以做到吧 |
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我們有定期的在檢討這個事 |
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我們透過治安會報等等 |
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都有在檢討這個關於毒品藥癮的問題 |
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那現在委員要求我們把 |
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過去的討論出來的重點 |
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給委員報告給委員 |
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24085.99 |
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24087.99 |
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同時讓委員知道我們後續還會有什麼 |
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24087.99 |
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24089.99 |
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發展性 |
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24089.99 |
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我們希望大家所看到的 |
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我也還是希望能夠用各種的方法把它檢測出來 |
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24093.99 |
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24095.99 |
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可是這個數字太觸目驚心 |
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24095.99 |
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24097.99 |
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會讓大家懷疑 |
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24097.99 |
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24099.99 |
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政府在反毒裡面具體的做法 |
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24099.99 |
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到底有沒有發揮它的成效 |
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24101.99 |
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好 接下來 |
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我要開始問一下 |
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兩位部長可以回座 |
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我現在要開始來問一些 |
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24109.99 |
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有關於碳費的問題 |
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24111.99 |
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我想碳費自從去年上路到 |
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24113.99 |
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目前為止 |
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24115.99 |
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24117.99 |
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5月已經繳納了大概49億了 |
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24117.99 |
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24119.99 |
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那我想請問院長部長 |
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24119.99 |
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這將近50億的 |
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碳費的收入 |
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24123.99 |
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24125.99 |
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到底要怎麼樣分配給各縣市 |
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24125.99 |
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24127.99 |
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我們高雄到底可以分多少 |
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24129.99 |
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報告委員這個不是分給各縣市的 |
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我們產業整體 |
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24131.99 |
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24133.99 |
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要減碳減能越多越好 |
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24133.99 |
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24135.99 |
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但是你現在告訴我們 |
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24135.99 |
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24137.99 |
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現在已經10月了 |
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24139.99 |
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縣市政府有關於第三期減量的 |
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24139.99 |
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24141.99 |
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執行方案 |
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24141.99 |
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24143.99 |
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目前都已經刊登在你們氣候署的 |
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24143.99 |
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24145.99 |
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公開平台上面 |
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24147.99 |
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所以縣市所提報的方案 |
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24147.99 |
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24149.99 |
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要多久才有辦法 |
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24149.99 |
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24151.99 |
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核定完成 |
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24153.99 |
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而且你們經費評估的標準 |
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24153.99 |
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24155.99 |
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跟分配的標準又在什麼地方 |
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24155.99 |
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24157.99 |
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報告委員這個其實是從企業來的 |
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24157.99 |
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24159.99 |
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現在企業大概提了 |
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24159.99 |
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24161.99 |
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2700多個減量方案 |
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24161.99 |
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24163.99 |
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它的減碳的量成效 |
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24163.99 |
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24165.99 |
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大概可以創造7100億的產值 |
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24165.99 |
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24167.99 |
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現在我們大多數的費用 |
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24167.99 |
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24169.99 |
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是來補助月能力有減碳的量 |
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24169.99 |
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24171.99 |
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不是給縣市政府的 |
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24171.99 |
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24173.99 |
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我為什麼要特別提到這個部分 |
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24173.99 |
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24175.99 |
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因為你現在所看到的這個繳納 |
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24175.99 |
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24177.99 |
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碳費的461個廠商當中 |
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24177.99 |
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24179.99 |
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高雄大概佔20% |
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24179.99 |
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24181.99 |
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大概有94個廠 |
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24181.99 |
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24183.99 |
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而且這是來自於我們化學原料 |
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24183.99 |
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24185.99 |
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半導體還有合成橡膠 |
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24185.99 |
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24187.99 |
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還有鋼鐵 |
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24187.99 |
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24189.99 |
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你會發現這個十大的 |
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24189.99 |
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24191.99 |
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碳費繳救的狀況當中 |
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24191.99 |
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24193.99 |
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又以半導體繳的最多 |
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24193.99 |
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24195.99 |
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而且在這個十大行業當中 |
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24195.99 |
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24197.99 |
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至少有四大行業是在我們高雄 |
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24197.99 |
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24199.99 |
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所以為什麼我關切這個問題 |
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24199.99 |
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24201.99 |
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因為你可以看到我們這個產業貢獻很多 |
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24201.99 |
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24203.99 |
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那當然你會有這個挹注資源 |
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24203.99 |
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24205.99 |
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給這邊然後提供給地方 |
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24205.99 |
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24207.99 |
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來做為加速減碳的工作 |
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24207.99 |
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24209.99 |
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而且就這個部長來說的話 |
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24209.99 |
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24211.99 |
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我們可能需要來做到這個部分 |
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24211.99 |
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24213.99 |
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大概每年推動這個 |
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24213.99 |
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24215.99 |
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那你現在只收到這個 |
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24215.99 |
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24217.99 |
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49億的話其實距離還有一大段距離嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
24217.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
24219.99 |
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對我們不希望企業 |
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24219.99 |
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就收到很大的壓力 |
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24223.99 |
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尤其是在全世界變動當中 |
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24223.99 |
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24225.99 |
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那目前由於科技業相對的比較好 |
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24225.99 |
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24227.99 |
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所以委員科技業繳的比較多 |
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24227.99 |
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24229.99 |
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半導體佔了四成以上 |
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24229.99 |
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24231.99 |
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對但是這個部分就是我們看錯了 |
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24231.99 |
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24233.99 |
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你目前來說我們碳費一般的費率 |
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24233.99 |
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24235.99 |
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大概是一噸三百塊 |
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24235.99 |
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24237.99 |
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可是在2030年的時候 |
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24239.99 |
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大概就要變成1200到1800 |
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24241.99 |
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這是很大的一個企業上面的一個負擔 |
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24241.99 |
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24243.99 |
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所以我為什麼要提出這個問題來說 |
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24243.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
24245.99 |
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因為我們收到太多人 |
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24245.99 |
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24247.99 |
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受這個碳成本的壓力很大 |
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24247.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
24249.99 |
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那有很多我們又需要發展半導體 |
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24249.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
24251.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
然後特別是我們在場的 |
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24251.99 |
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24253.99 |
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這個所謂中鋼石花金屬等等 |
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24255.99 |
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所以這個減碳的成本對他們來說 |
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24255.99 |
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24257.99 |
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是非常大的一個承重嘛 |
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24257.99 |
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24259.99 |
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所以我們才說希望 |
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24259.99 |
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24261.99 |
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你在這個碳費的收入部分裡面 |
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24261.99 |
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24263.99 |
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能夠夠討量到我們 |
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24263.99 |
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24265.99 |
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高雄的產業的一個結構 |
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24265.99 |
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24267.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5516].text |
給我們這個減碳的負擔上面 |
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24267.99 |
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24269.99 |
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起碼讓大家 |
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24269.99 |
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24271.99 |
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壓力可以稍微減低 |
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24271.99 |
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24273.99 |
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而且可以對於一些需要來做 |
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24275.99 |
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這樣的一個中小企業裡面 |
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碳費的配合上面能夠讓這個進行 |
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24279.99 |
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低碳的轉型的輔導 |
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24279.99 |
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24281.99 |
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這才是我們大家共同希望的吧 |
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24281.99 |
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24283.99 |
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這是我真的提出來這個目標 |
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24283.99 |
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24285.99 |
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謝謝委員這個其實我們針對企業的補助 |
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24285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5526].end |
24287.99 |
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大概佔了所有的費用大概一半 |
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24287.99 |
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24289.99 |
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包含利息的補貼 |
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24289.99 |
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24291.99 |
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所以他不是給地方政府做建設 |
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24291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].end |
24293.99 |
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是給企業能夠實際上的減碳為主 |
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24295.99 |
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但是你還是要回歸到 |
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既然是我們繳的 |
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所以說這樣子的一個處理 |
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我個人覺得這樣才是比較公平嘛 |
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沒錯但是他還是回到企業的身上 |
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並不是給地方政府拿來做建設 |
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總而言之我覺得像受了50億 |
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24307.99 |
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跟距離你剛剛說一年要500億 |
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我覺得這個非常大的一個落差 |
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委員我沒有500億是以前 |
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還要碳稅的時候 |
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24317.99 |
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事實上碳定價其實要從 |
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有才能開始慢慢變好 |
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所以我們沒有那麼快 |
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總而言之我們那麼多的產業都在高雄 |
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我們還是希望在這個定力的標準上面 |
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24325.99 |
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24327.99 |
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能夠回歸到我們這邊的現市場的一個機制 |
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24327.99 |
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我們的企業 |
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24329.99 |
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我們的企業而不是用在別的地方 |
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24333.99 |
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那接下來我要問一下星達 |
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謝謝部長你可以回座了 |
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24337.99 |
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我們現在來問一下這個星達的這個部分 |
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這個院長我還是要提醒你 |
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24339.99 |
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我上次也是在這邊提出我的疑問 |
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因為當初台電承諾 |
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24343.99 |
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在我們的星達這個部分 |
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24345.99 |
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要以氣換煤 |
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24347.99 |
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24349.99 |
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救濟要除疫 |
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24349.99 |
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24351.99 |
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那我們都會非常的全力的配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].start |
24351.99 |
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24353.99 |
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高雄相信都全力的配合 |
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24353.99 |
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24355.99 |
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是 |
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24354.84 |
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24357.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
四部燃煤變成緊急備用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
24357.84 |
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24361.84 |
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五部舊的燃氣還要再研議十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
24361.84 |
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24363.84 |
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那上次我問過院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
24363.84 |
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請給我一個拆除計畫的一個時程 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
24366.84 |
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院長也說好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
24368.84 |
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24370.84 |
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但是這個燃煤我說煤喔不是氣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
24370.84 |
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24372.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
拆除的時程 |
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24372.84 |
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24374.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
到底計畫到哪裡了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
24374.84 |
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24376.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
院長你大概忘記我跟你提出的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].start |
24376.84 |
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24378.84 |
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不會高雄跟台中的問題 |
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24378.84 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5571].text |
我們一樣的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].start |
24380.84 |
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24382.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
那就實際上來講我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].start |
24382.84 |
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24384.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
台中從10月1號開始 |
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24384.84 |
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24386.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
他的第一座煙囪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].start |
24386.84 |
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24388.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
那個燃煤機組的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].start |
24388.84 |
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24390.84 |
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好啦但是院長你上次答應我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].start |
24390.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].end |
24392.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
你真的不除疫到底什麼時候要全部拆除 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].start |
24392.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].end |
24394.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
你可以告訴我煤那部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
24394.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
24396.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
高雄因為產業發展的極快 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].start |
24396.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].end |
24398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
我們必須先以氣換煤 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
24398.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
24400.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
以氣換煤之後才能討論到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].start |
24400.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
24402.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
如何把舊燃煤機組 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
24402.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
24403.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
可以把它拆除 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
24403.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
24405.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
重點就是你可以看看這個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
24405.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
24407.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
我們備用的效益說實在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
24407.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
24409.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
其實是蠻低的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
24409.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
24410.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
我們看一下就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
24410.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
24412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
而且你幹嘛留著造成恐慌 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
24412.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
24414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
緊急備用機組啟用門檻很嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
24414.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
24416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
非常嚴格但是一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
24416.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
24418.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
到底可以發多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
24418.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
24420.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
你看如果我們未來新搭的新舊燃氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
24420.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
24422.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
共十部喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
24422.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
24424.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
容量可以超過8700的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
24424.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
24426.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
那個那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
24426.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
24428.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
電量系是夠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
24428.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
24430.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
那少了這幾部燃煤 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
24430.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
24432.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
不太影響到我們的供電 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
24432.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
24434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
那你幹嘛不拆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
24434.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
24436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
我們家都已經夠了為什麼不拆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
24436.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
24438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
到時候留一個畫面給人家再看嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
24438.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
24440.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
還是要徵求他用電的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
24440.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
24442.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
跟韌性安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
24442.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
24444.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
韌性跟安全還是必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
24444.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
24446.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
可是上次你同意大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
24446.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
24448.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
你同意大家說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
24448.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
24450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
很負責任的可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
24450.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
24452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
來告訴大家說我們真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
24452.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
24454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
要來做這樣的一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
24454.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
24456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
鄉親在那邊等 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
24456.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
24458.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
等到廢話不說你給延長十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
24458.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
24460.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
然後呢我也同意說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
24460.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
24462.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
我們這個高科技產業的一個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
24462.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
24464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
但是呢早該探究 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
24464.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
24466.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
你把它延到2037 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
24466.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
24468.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
就算台電充這個總量的抵換 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
24468.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
24470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
然後地方也很明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
24470.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
24472.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
這樣子的宰民 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
24472.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
24474.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
但是對鄉親來說他們還是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
24474.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
24476.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
好啦那我們就替一部響了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
24476.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
24478.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
幫他們說一下話好不好我們搜集了這個意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
24478.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
24480.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
那是不是我們承受的吞了幾十年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
24480.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
24482.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
這個廢氣喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
24482.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
24484.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
起碼給代表鄉親提出比較大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
24484.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
24486.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
一個訴求啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
24486.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
24488.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
增烈這個研議特別的補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
24488.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
24490.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
保障我們像既有的六區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].start |
24490.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].end |
24492.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5628].text |
回饋不要縮水 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
24492.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
24494.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
還有呢我們調高我們燃氣電協的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
24494.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
24496.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
電協基金的這個費率可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
24496.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
24498.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
已經你還要跟人延遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
24498.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
24500.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
總要給人家一些更多的一個補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
24500.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
24502.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
這樣的鄉親的要求沒有辦法達到啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
24502.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
24504.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
首先我知道台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
24504.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
24506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
已經用了相當大的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
24506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
24508.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
來從事它核心的進化 |
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未來整個排放會降低 |
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五成左右 |
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那這個已經會對當地的這個空氣 |
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造成比較好的一個協助幫助了 |
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好我們電協基金的部分也會 |
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跟附近的這些里民會互相溝通 |
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我只是代表他們提出這樣的一個要求 |
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也會給他們一個比較好的一個道路 |
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因為人家本來認為說就可以 |
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那個完全以氣代美然後就可以 |
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全部弄完而且又要延 |
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是報告委員因為現在 |
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電力的發展高雄的確是 |
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電力比較充足所以很多 |
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的產業現在也都進駐到高雄 |
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因為它這個也是帶來 |
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比較正面的一些好處沒有問題 |
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我們非常的歡迎啊但是我就說 |
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應該有更科技的方法來 |
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那個煤的部分已經有點過時了 |
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所以說我才說 |
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是否可以用更多的 |
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氣來代替人 |
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所以為什麼轉備用基本上就是 |
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飛到緊急基本上是 |
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不用的啦我就跟你說備用就是 |
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老黨要給人家就是留 |
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了一個口舌而且你們那個 |
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它有一定的條件程序時間 |
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很嚴苛嘛你很嚴苛 |
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對不對然後你這樣加起來 |
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我幫你算過了其實是夠的那 |
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何必留了一個尾巴在那個地方 |
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那就是增加韌性 |
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燃氣的部分燃氣的部分 |
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已經用了高達125億來 |
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降低它的排放所以說啦 |
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目標可以降低5% |
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那就是在跟台電號跟地方居民在 |
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好好地溝通清楚然後答應人家要 |
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研議的然後到2037年就好好把它 |
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廢除啦這就是我的要求啦 |
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好不好我們再跟經濟部門台電 |
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詳細地來核算未來的時程 |
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好好的接下來謝謝我們部長 |
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我現在在最後 |
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時間的我還來問一下我們有關 |
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於高雄24小時新國際機場 |
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的問題我們 |
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應該是請我們的交通部來 |
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請交通部長備詢 |
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部長好我想在選舉到了 |
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每個人都對於很多的政見 |
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我認為說還要非常的實質在 |
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討論不能畫大餅要非常的一個 |
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務實那我想對於剛剛 |
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大家都提到了我們我們店夠 |
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那也就是因為這樣有非常 |
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多的科技產業都要選擇選擇在 |
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高雄但是大家面臨一個問題我想 |
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部長也聽了非常的多了 |
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就是高雄面臨這麼樣子這個產業 |
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要突破我們認為交通是 |
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非常的重要的所以每個人 |
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幾乎都認為說要有一座 |
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沒有消盡能夠支援半導體 |
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而且供應鏈討論24小時 |
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的國際機場對不對 |
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這是你都可以聽到非常多人的聲音 |
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我必須要說目前的 |
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市長是公開主張 |
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南新計劃要填海這個 |
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造陸的最佳的方案事實上在 |
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之前韓國瑜當時 |
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院長那時候選市長的時候也 |
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提出了南新的計劃只是那時候 |
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被所有的綠營議員 |
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同樣的東西 |
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同樣的計劃 |
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過了八年之後陳其邁 |
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提出這個意見的時候 |
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交通部終於正式的我們就好好 |
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來討論這個問題只要能夠 |
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讓高雄好沒有分 |
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任何黨派我們就是好好的務實 |
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來做這樣一個處理然後 |
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市府其實委託國外的顧問已經 |
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出過評估已經出爐了 |
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但是交通部也是 |
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處處在對於他的提出 |
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的部分我現在想問交通部 |
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的態度到底是如何 |
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聽起來好像中央跟地方 |
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各吹各的掉了到底目前 |
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我們的新機場評估到底到什麼地方 |
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評估的進度到什麼 |
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交通部說自己在評估那部長 |
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你們現在評估到底是如何 |
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像委員報告從民國八十年 |
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開始其實我們交通部有做過 |
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十幾次的評估 |
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也都有報告的計劃 |
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那現在在評估的這個南新 |
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計劃其實幾個部分 |
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一方面我們要先去評估說 |
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填海的時程大概要多久 |
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二方面是未來的 |
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整體的風向因為填到外海 |
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之後的風向也要遲遲 |
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洋流填海還有造成的一些 |
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空域的這個所謂的衝突我們都知道 |
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我看到你報告寫得非常清楚 |
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但是對於南部的二十四小時的 |
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機場其實院長也有指示我們一方面 |
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現在舊的機場先八百八十億 |
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的整建計劃先把它做好讓 |
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它效率提高二方面我們要 |
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認真去評估這個二十四小時 |
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的機場未來要設定在哪裡 |
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南新也是其中 |
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一個計劃 |
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之一因為我知道高雄市政府 |
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自己有做一個評估報告 |
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我們現在會跟高雄市政府 |
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好好的看一下它目前的評估報告的狀況 |
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還沒看清楚大家都已經催到 |
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到哪裡去的我先跟你報告一下 |
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您剛好這個國發會 |
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剛通過的2045機場系統的規劃 |
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你還是以舊的 |
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小港機場來為主 |
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這好像聽起來就變成2045 |
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年前2045年前 |
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高雄不可能有新的 |
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機場所以你先告訴我說評估 |
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我們這個評估是 |
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20年後但我們 |
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每五年都會滾動再檢討一次 |
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所以說20年之內有沒有可能 |
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讓南新就再評估 |
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這就是我說的一個語言 |
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因為小港機場受限 |
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在蕭敬的天花板 |
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這個蕭敬沒有 |
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辦法解除我們沒有辦法撐起 |
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大南方的產業 |
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我也知道我們提了這個八百八十億 |
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已經要蓋這個航廈 |
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也號稱可以容納1650萬 |
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人次但是呢 |
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半夜蕭敬如果完全沒有 |
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辦法去突破的話 |
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我說實在的高科技的貨運 |
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我們這個供應鏈通常 |
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都是在凌晨運轉或是深夜 |
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這是過去世界各國的 |
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一個方式所以呢我們 |
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只要告訴我們我們如果說 |
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是蕭敬的問題沒有辦法解決 |
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我們怎麼撐得起我們到底未來 |
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整個到底產業的發展這是我們在 |
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那你現在告訴我的部分都在評估評估 |
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我聽到非常多評估從過去到 |
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現在都在評估換了部長之後是不是 |
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可以稍微快一點 |
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一個機場要重藏記憶 |
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那是很長的一個你剛剛提到的已經從八十年代 |
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就已經開始在講了是 |
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當時有找過一些地點 |
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但是每一個地方大家不一定同意 |
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有了彌陀啊靠近什麼我們都知道 |
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是你會清楚嗎 |
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那個台南的也有都提到 |
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所以到目前為止我們所聽到的 |
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也都還是在評估跟評估 |
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部長就是讓南部的鄉親覺得 |
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是比較受挫的永遠都在評估 |
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我也非常感恩你們提了 |
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八百八十億這樣子對於小港 |
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所以很顯然你們把目標 |
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都是放在既有的小港的 |
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新航廈不是我們是因為未來 |
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二十四小時的機場我們是開放 |
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而且是正面的態度所以過去 |
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才會不斷評估但這必須要跟 |
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地方政府來溝通要跟地方 |
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來溝通例如說您剛剛所提的 |
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彌陀那地方同不同意蓋在 |
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彌陀呢這是一個問題 |
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好現在又提出了南新計畫 |
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南新計畫我們要詳細去評估 |
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我剛剛也有跟委員報告過 |
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裡面有洋流的問題有風向的問題 |
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我們都很清楚所以說呢 |
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所以你還在繼續評估下去 |
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因為這個填海的時間也是要 |
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計算估算好之後你才能夠 |
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去做後面的計畫 |
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跟委員一句話這個當時陳世凱 |
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還不是部長的時候跟李孟遠部長 |
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高雄這個機場我們甚至有兩個命題 |
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一個是二十四小時機場 |
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那找二十四小時機場的時候 |
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八百八十億的小港機場要不要 |
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擴建這兩個要不要同時存在 |
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所以你們是並行不是前後接訊 |
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是兩個應該是並行來做一個決定 |
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對那時候我決定說因為那個填海還有 |
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尋找地點非常難用地取得 |
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還有它的空域的開放 |
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我們都知道這很困難但是既然 |
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高雄市政府已經提出了一個提過 |
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小港機場的擴建不得不先行 |
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當然啦所以我說你們是並行 |
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前後接訊我們只是說 |
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真的要發動我們整個 |
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大南方要需要做這個 |
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宵禁的問題如果不解決的話 |
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說實在我們都會被受限 |
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那個就是我們一個非常極限的 |
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一個天花板所以呢我們 |
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樂見小港機場有八百八十 |
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億我們更希望大港 |
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機場也可以快速我們 |
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不要小港我們要大港好不好這個 |
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還是希望能夠好好來做一個 |
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這張名實在是太久了 |
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所以說你說滾動是我也不知道滾動到什麼 |
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我希望以後我們有南北 |
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雙空港一定要的啊 |
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另外台中還有一個新機場 |
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謝謝喔對對對反正小港有了 |
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我們也希望有個大港啦所以我只希望說 |
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這個部分裡面審慎評估 |
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到目前為止是兩岸 |
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並行然後這個評估我們也 |
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不希望只能到二十年 |
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或是這麼久的時間否則 |
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我們即使有這麼大的一個 |
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所謂的一個挑戰但是呢 |
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如果這個部分宵禁的問題沒有辦法解決 |
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的話我覺得這個東西都會 |
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讓我們的產業受到很大的影響 |
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我希望部長能夠 |
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好好的把這個滾動能夠 |
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滾快一點好不好沒問題 |
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好那接下來呢我們還是 |
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要問到一個前鎮的漁港的這個 |
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問題因為上一次 |
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有非常多前鎮漁港應該是 |
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請我們的農業部過來吧 |
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部長請備選 |
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謝謝 |
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好我就 |
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其實我還是想說 |
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能夠把這個錢八十一億 |
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放在我們的前鎮漁港讓 |
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他被看到然後遠洋 |
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的這樣子的一個我們很需要的 |
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因為這是我們一個很大的主項 |
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然後考慮到漁工的人權問題 |
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沒有任何的問題但是無可否認 |
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的因為你花的這些錢 |
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仍然是有一些 |
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沒有跟當初的預估是有一些 |
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落差的所以我還是要問 |
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上一次你們大正仗的 |
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跑到我們這個前鎮漁港來做 |
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對於硬體的設計還有 |
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地方攤販的這個 |
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所提出的反彈我相信部長 |
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跟漁業署都已經非常的一個清楚 |
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了然後你們開出了 |
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攤商免管理費漁工 |
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25072.79 |
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住宿補貼兩年的支票 |
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我只想了解這些經費是 |
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用到哪一些從來這個 |
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錢是從哪裡來我問了老半天我都 |
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我跟你們報告我們在我們的 |
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相關的這個前鎮漁港 |
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現在的經費裡面有匡列了六千 |
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萬也是預估 |
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在後面的營運的時候這些調整 |
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所以我們兩年的 |
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試營運的經費就是從這六千萬 |
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25094.79 |
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去支出的 因為那是從哪個經費出來 |
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25096.79 |
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從哪一項出來 就是前鎮漁港的 |
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25098.79 |
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專案經費裡面 專案經費不是 |
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25100.79 |
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用我們特別特別調列這些 |
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經費不是好那你就請他們下面 |
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25104.79 |
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的人因為他們跟我講說特別調列我一聽 |
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25104.79 |
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25106.79 |
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我認性的特別調列我怕 |
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25108.79 |
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我怕一地怎麼會有就是前鎮漁港 |
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25110.79 |
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的經費裡面的六千萬我們有 |
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25112.79 |
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匡列在建設完以後 |
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25114.79 |
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需要去做一些調整的時候 |
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25114.79 |
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25116.79 |
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我們當初提出了這個善後的預算 |
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25118.79 |
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到底在哪裡 因為的確有需要 |
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25120.79 |
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蓋得這麼豪華的一個 |
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25122.79 |
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不是豪華就蓋花了這麼多 |
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25124.79 |
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錢然後我們還是需要 |
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25126.79 |
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做很多的一個改善所以你說 |
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25128.79 |
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有撥了六千萬在這個地方 |
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25130.79 |
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對我們是預先匡列 |
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25132.79 |
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六千萬因為我們也預知到 |
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25134.79 |
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整個的工程 |
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25136.79 |
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做完以後可能做一些調整 |
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25138.79 |
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所以包括試營運 |
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25140.79 |
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的這個部分的兩年我們就用六千萬 |
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25142.79 |
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去做支應 那修善 |
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修善的部分我還沒講完 |
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25146.79 |
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修善的部分如果在保固期的話 |
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那就是由我們的 |
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25150.79 |
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這些施工的廠商來負責 |
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25152.79 |
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部長你知道吧部長你知道嗎 |
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25152.79 |
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25154.79 |
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這個部分是因為他引起的 |
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25156.79 |
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太多媒體的一個報導然後 |
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你們下去之後你們才告訴 |
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25158.79 |
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大家這個兩年的攤販 |
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25160.79 |
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是免除的然後 |
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25162.79 |
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25164.79 |
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告訴我們這些漁工如果入住 |
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的時候他們的補貼 |
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25166.79 |
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25168.79 |
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之前都沒有講耶所以我們講這樣才說 |
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25168.79 |
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25170.79 |
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兩年那我只請問兩年之後我們要怎麼辦 |
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25170.79 |
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25172.79 |
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我跟我們報告 |
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25172.79 |
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其實在整個工程 |
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25174.79 |
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在今年初做好以後其實 |
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25176.79 |
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我們就在已經在規劃 |
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25178.79 |
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25180.79 |
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那試營運本身的 |
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25180.79 |
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概念是因為新的 |
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25185.59 |
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那個林P市長是導入新的 |
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我知道啦但是我比你更清楚 |
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因為我去的機會 |
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25191.59 |
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跟攤商討論機會比你 |
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還要多我只是說 |
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25195.59 |
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這些這個攤商得到 |
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25195.59 |
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兩年免租金 |
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25199.59 |
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還有呢這個住宿補貼 |
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25199.59 |
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25201.59 |
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都是在一連串事情發生之後 |
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25203.59 |
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才產生的如果照你當初 |
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所講的早就匡列你就 |
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25207.59 |
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早早告知就不用引起那麼 |
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25207.59 |
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25209.59 |
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多的一個爭議嘛而且目前為止 |
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動線的問題還有很多問題 |
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還是存在嘛所以我只能說 |
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25215.59 |
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很好那兩年之後怎麼辦 |
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25217.59 |
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兩年之後還要繼續花納稅成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
25217.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].end |
25219.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].text |
再繼續補貼下去嗎我們的試營運的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
25219.59 |
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25221.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].text |
期間就是讓我們的攤商 |
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25221.59 |
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25223.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].text |
從原來非常傳統的買賣方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].start |
25223.59 |
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25225.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5987].text |
進到這樣子的一個 |
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25225.59 |
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25227.59 |
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有關於這種HotSap本身的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
25227.59 |
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25229.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
衛生安全標準兩年之後還會免租金嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
25229.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].end |
25231.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].text |
兩年之內就希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
25231.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
25233.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].text |
能夠引導我們的攤商 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
25233.59 |
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25235.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
能夠符合安全規定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
25235.59 |
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25237.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
一個新的規範兩年之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
25237.59 |
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25239.59 |
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做攤商還是覺得說 |
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25239.59 |
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25241.59 |
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因為享受到免的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
25241.59 |
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25243.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
所以他們覺得繼續下去說兩年之後還 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
25243.59 |
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25245.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].text |
繼續補助嗎我想兩年是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
25245.59 |
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25247.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].text |
我們現在所訂的試營運的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
25247.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
25249.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].text |
一個期間那我們會非常努力的 |
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25249.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
25251.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
因為試營運如果說大家的生意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
25251.59 |
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25253.59 |
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好那相關的他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
25253.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].end |
25255.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
一個月三百塊的計劃期望是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
25255.59 |
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25257.59 |
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有這些免費 |
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25257.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].end |
25259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
的措施就早點講你知道這個中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
25259.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].end |
25261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].text |
精精來來回回這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
25261.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
25263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
裡面其實耗費非常多的時間我們並沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
25263.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
25265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
說一直在變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
25265.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
25267.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
其實我們本來就有一些規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
25267.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
25269.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
免租金的兩年就已經是變動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
25269.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
25271.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
因為之前更沒有這樣去講過嗎我當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
25271.59 |
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25273.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
就問了就沒有這件事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
25273.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
25275.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
希望民主大會報告中央提出這些改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].start |
25275.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
25277.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].text |
措施嗎而且還要繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
25277.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
25279.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
大家所在乎的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
25279.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
25281.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
跟大家所當初預估的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
25281.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
25283.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
其實有一些的落差所以我們才來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
25283.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
25285.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
面對問題怎麼樣來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
25285.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
25287.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
所以說你能夠提出免租金 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
25287.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
25289.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
我跟委員報告您提前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
25289.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
25291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
之前包括我們的行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
25291.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
25293.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
包括我們的農業部已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
25293.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
25295.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
多次的跟漁會在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
25295.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
25297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
怎麼樣讓我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
25297.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
25299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
攤商有序的進到這個市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
25299.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
25301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
那也不排除用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
25301.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
25303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
適應的方式 我告訴你不敢怎麼進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
25303.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
25305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
市場你那個免租金就是最大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
25305.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
25307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
部分免租金就是讓很多人很願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
25307.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
25309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
租金那早就把這個東西提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
25309.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
25311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
就不會有在什麼電充車的路線 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
25311.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
25313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
等等之類這些還是需要改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
25313.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
25315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
我們希望兩年勢力抑鬱當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
25315.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
25317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
大家讓過一招之後知道他們的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
25317.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
25319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
所在大家共同來解決共同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
25319.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
25321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
面對問題我覺得這才是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
25321.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
25323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
我們已經在做了謝謝委員執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
25323.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
25325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
我們已經在做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
25325.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
25327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
現在這種兩年自營運的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
25327.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
25329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
來讓我們調整內部的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
25329.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
25331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
一些動線設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
25331.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
25333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
兩年當中我們跟未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
25333.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
25335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
台北高雄市政府跟漁會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
25335.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
25337.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
是說說你就利用這個方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
25337.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
25339.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
能夠幫攤商解決他們最care的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
25339.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
25341.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
問題能夠降低他們的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
25341.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
25343.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
然後你剛剛所說的衛生問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
25343.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
25345.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
我沒有意見然後把動線還有把電動車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
25345.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
25347.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
怎麼樣去走這些都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
25347.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
25349.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
我們所看到的我們就是來run run看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
25349.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
25351.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
然後希望能夠滾動式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
25351.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
25353.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
把這些路線更符合我們攤商的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
25353.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
25355.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
這才是當初我們給這麼多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
25355.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
25357.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
大家希望的一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
25357.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
25359.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
我們會朝這個方面去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
25359.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
25361.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
最後的話我還是要問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
25361.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
25363.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
謝謝部長請回座 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
25363.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
25365.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
我想這個部分還是跟我們的捷運有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
25365.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
25367.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
我想我們交通部長還是要請上來一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
25367.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
25369.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
因為我們現在新版的才化法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
25369.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
25371.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
落實地方自主 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
25371.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
25373.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
但是院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
25373.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
25375.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
我們的一般性補助款 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
25375.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
25377.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
跟我們的這些計畫性補助款 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
25377.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
25379.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
還是被大砍的非常多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
25379.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
25381.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
我想大家跟你們要捷運的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
25381.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
25383.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
不是只有高雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
25383.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
25385.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
我想台中台北都在跟交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
25385.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
25387.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
要這個捷運的錢應該是沒有錯吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
25387.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
25389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
每個都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
25389.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
25391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
所以各縣市都需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].start |
25391.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
25393.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
但是我們市府跟我們反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
25393.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
25395.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
我們捷運因為我們不是只有一條 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
25395.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
25397.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
有黃線有小港林園還有我們鋼山鹿族 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
25397.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
25399.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
都是齊開啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
25399.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
25401.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
所以我們目前為止後續我們的缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
25401.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
25403.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
是有到136億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
25403.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
25405.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
那交通部開記者會說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
25405.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
25407.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
你沒有你就是依照 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
25407.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
25409.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
的速度等等之內你已經給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
25409.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
25411.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
145億是全台第二位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
25411.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
25413.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
從以前到現在為止交通部補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
25413.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
25415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
地方的捷運經費從來沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
25415.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
25417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
讓地方的工程延宕過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
25417.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
25419.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
所以說我們現在目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
25419.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
25421.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
不會因為統籌分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
25421.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
25423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
做任何的事情影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
25423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
25425.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
我們所謂捷運的施工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
25425.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
25427.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
所以各縣市裡面所跟交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
25427.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
25429.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
要的都已經算出來幾億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
25429.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
25431.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
交通部都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
25444.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
25446.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
好謝謝柯志恩委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
25446.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
25448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
謝謝卓院長各相關部會首長的備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
25448.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
25450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
25460.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
25462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
我們接下來請張宏祿委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
25462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
25464.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
尤浩委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
25480.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
25482.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
我先請交通部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
25483.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
25485.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
我們請交通部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
25496.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
25498.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
25498.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
25502.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
陳部長其實我已經質詢這個議題好幾次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
25502.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
25504.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
就是我們的進勞卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
25506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
25508.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
這個高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
25508.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
25510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
它能不能搭高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
25510.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
25514.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
這個我相信上次你也好有質詢過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
25514.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
25516.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
25515.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
25517.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
進度到底如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
25517.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
25519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
25519.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
25521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
您關心的不只是高鐵啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
25521.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
25523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
其實台鐵你也滿關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
25523.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
25525.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
台鐵已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
25525.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
25527.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
台鐵我們部一部完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
25527.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
25529.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
現在已經完成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
25529.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
25531.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
那高鐵的部分是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
25531.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
25533.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
因為高鐵它的票價相對是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
25533.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
25535.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
所以他們現在開放的都是可自動儲值的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
25535.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
25537.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
這個票卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
25537.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
25539.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
他們才有辦法來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
25539.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
25541.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
因為有時候如果是單一卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
25541.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
25543.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
如果裡面只有一千塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
25543.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
25545.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
他可能就不能用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
25545.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
25547.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
所以目前是開放到這種程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
25547.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
25549.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
你可能還沒有年紀大到可以用進勞卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
25552.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
25554.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
進勞卡也是可以儲值的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
25554.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
25556.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
他也是可以儲值的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
25556.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
25558.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
其實我們跟您上次質詢完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
25558.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
25560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
我們有跟高鐵公司開過會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
25560.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
25562.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
有討論這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
25562.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
25564.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
我們會朝向未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
25564.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
25566.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
會朝向開放的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
25566.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
25568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
25568.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
25570.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
但我們目前的運量坦白講是比較緊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
25570.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
25572.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
所以高鐵公司是希望說明年七月之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
25572.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
25574.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
如果是新車上線之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
25574.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
25576.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
運量充足的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
25576.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
25578.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
他們會朝這個方向來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
25578.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
25580.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
配合委員所質詢的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
25580.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
25582.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
25583.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
25585.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
有一個我們先來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
25585.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
25587.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
其實各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
25587.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
25589.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
現在進勞卡的點數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
25589.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
25591.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
每個縣市都增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
25591.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
25593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
都增加了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
25593.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
25595.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
尤其明年有很多新的縣市首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
25595.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
25597.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
他們現在政見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
25598.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
25600.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
也都增加了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
25600.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
25602.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
像新北 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
25602.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
25604.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
蘇巧惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
25604.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
25606.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
他也是當選的話將把新北進勞卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
25606.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
25608.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
每個月點數提高到1000點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
25608.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
25610.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
25611.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
25613.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
林國章他也說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
25613.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
25615.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
每個月也是1000點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
25615.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
25617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
很多縣市都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
25617.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
25619.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
是在這樣了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
25619.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
25621.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
所以在這樣情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
25621.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
25623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
我們擴大進勞卡點數的用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
25623.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
25625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
其實是在必行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
25625.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
25627.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
那當初我為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
25627.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
25629.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
一直推 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
25629.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
25631.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
推這個台鐵可以搭進勞卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
25631.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
25633.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
是我從我們新北 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
25633.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
25635.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
我們的平溪莊溪我看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
25635.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
25637.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
很多老人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
25637.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
25639.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
他其實都是坐火車進出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
25640.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
25642.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
他是坐火車去看病 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
25642.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
25644.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
坐火車去買東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
25644.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
25646.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
我們從那裡看出來有這個需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
25647.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
25649.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
那我們也努力很多年啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
25649.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
25651.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
25650.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
25652.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
台鐵應該比高鐵複雜多吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
25652.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
25654.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
對他的票證系統相對複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
25654.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
25656.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
那這個部分已經克服了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
25656.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
25658.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
那也跟委員報告高鐵的票證系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
25658.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
25660.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
不是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
25660.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
25662.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
目前看起來不是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
25662.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
25664.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
而是他的容量的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
25664.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
25666.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
那這個部分委員我在這邊也跟您承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
25666.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
25668.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
這個方向我們會來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
25668.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
25670.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
只是說時間上面的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
25671.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
25673.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
我這樣說啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
25673.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
25675.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
部長你說的我理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].start |
25675.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].end |
25677.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6181].text |
我也知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].start |
25677.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].end |
25679.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6182].text |
但你說的跟我要的不衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].start |
25679.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].end |
25681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6183].text |
完全不衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].start |
25681.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].end |
25683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6184].text |
我在這邊講具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].start |
25683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].end |
25685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6185].text |
我已經質詢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].start |
25685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].end |
25687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6186].text |
你當部長我已經質詢了幾次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].start |
25687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].end |
25689.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6187].text |
那你如果照你這樣子說的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].start |
25689.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].end |
25691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6188].text |
我們先把它建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].start |
25692.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].end |
25694.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6189].text |
你現在就承諾你先建置完成啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].start |
25694.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].end |
25696.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6190].text |
那你說你等新的車廂到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].start |
25696.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].end |
25698.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6191].text |
新的車廂我們再來開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].start |
25698.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].end |
25700.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6192].text |
難道你要等新的車廂來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].start |
25700.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].end |
25702.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6193].text |
你再來建置嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].start |
25702.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].end |
25704.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6194].text |
你越晚建置是越花越多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].start |
25704.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].end |
25706.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6195].text |
你們給我的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].start |
25706.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].end |
25708.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6196].text |
2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].start |
25708.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].end |
25710.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6197].text |
整個硬體費用7000萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].start |
25712.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].end |
25714.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6198].text |
2025年變9400萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].start |
25715.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].end |
25717.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6199].text |
那如果2026呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].start |
25717.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].end |
25719.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6200].text |
要不要變成商議了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].start |
25721.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].end |
25723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6201].text |
早一點做替台灣省 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].start |
25723.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].end |
25725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6202].text |
那麼多錢啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].start |
25725.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].end |
25727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6203].text |
還是說高鐵的錢很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].start |
25727.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].end |
25729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6204].text |
委員這個建議相當好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].start |
25729.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].end |
25731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6205].text |
如果軟體的部分跟硬體的整合的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].start |
25731.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].end |
25733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6206].text |
我們可以先做我們就先來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].start |
25733.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].end |
25735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6207].text |
如果這個方向我們是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].start |
25735.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].end |
25737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6208].text |
運量起來的時候我們就會開放的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].start |
25737.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].end |
25739.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6209].text |
我們的這個票證系統的整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].start |
25739.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].end |
25741.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6210].text |
可以先來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].start |
25741.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].end |
25743.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6211].text |
我覺得啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
25743.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].end |
25745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].text |
跟台鐵是一樣的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
25745.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].end |
25747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].text |
台鐵我那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
25747.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].end |
25749.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].text |
最後也是要求他你把硬體做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
25750.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].end |
25752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].text |
人家各縣市要不要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].start |
25752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].end |
25754.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6216].text |
人家會找你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
25754.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].end |
25756.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].text |
現在呢 全台灣哪個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
25757.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].end |
25759.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].text |
那個金牢卡不能搭台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
25759.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].end |
25761.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].text |
有哪一個縣市不能搭台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
25761.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].end |
25763.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].text |
我們現在已經有開放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].start |
25763.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].end |
25765.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6221].text |
不是 對我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
25765.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].end |
25767.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
經過我很多的努力嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
25767.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].end |
25769.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].text |
那你說還有哪一個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
25771.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].end |
25773.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
金牢卡不能搭台鐵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
25773.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].end |
25775.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
我印象中是還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
25775.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].end |
25777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].text |
我印象中是還有但哪一個縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
25777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].end |
25779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].text |
應該沒有了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
25779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
25781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
都可以啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
25781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].end |
25783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].text |
只是點數的多少而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
25783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].end |
25785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
每個縣市開放的點數多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
25785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].end |
25787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].start |
25787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].end |
25789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
我今天在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
25789.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].end |
25791.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].text |
真的要跟部長拜託一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
25791.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
25793.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
25793.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
25795.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
我們先把它建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
25796.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].end |
25798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].text |
建置跟開放使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
25798.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].end |
25800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
其實中間還是會有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
25800.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].end |
25802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
時間差嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
25802.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
25804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
對不對 那能不能在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
25804.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
25806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
能不能具體的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
25806.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
25808.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
到底能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
25808.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
25810.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
把它先把它建置好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
25810.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
25812.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
委員您的建議相當好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
25812.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
25814.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
那我就朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
25814.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
25816.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
來去跟高鐵公司來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
25816.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
25818.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
協調 請他們先把 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
25818.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
25820.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
硬體的部分還有軟體的整合的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
25820.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
25822.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
把它先做起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
25822.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
25824.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
那以便未來我們真正要開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
25824.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
25826.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
讓進勞卡可以搭成高鐵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
25826.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
25828.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
可以馬上快速的來上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
25828.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
25830.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
那大概要多久時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
25830.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
25832.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
這個我需要跟高鐵公司來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
25832.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
25834.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
因為實際工程的時程大概多長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
25834.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
25836.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
這個我不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
25836.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
25838.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
我需要跟他們討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
25838.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
25840.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
25840.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
25842.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
但我覺得不可能超過一年吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
25843.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
25845.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
我覺得不會啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
25845.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
25847.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
一定不會吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
25847.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
25849.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
我們台鐵之前的經驗沒有超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
25849.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
25851.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
所以我認為高鐵的效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
25851.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
25853.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
應該也不會超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
25853.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
25855.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
高鐵比台鐵簡單多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
25855.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
25857.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
簡單多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
25858.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
25860.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
很多長者去買進勞票 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
25860.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
25862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
他也是買啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
25862.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
25864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
25864.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
25866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
我覺得這個程序啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
25866.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
25868.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
差很多 系統也簡單多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
25868.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
25870.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
然後台灣號稱AI大國 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
25870.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
25872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
這個只要想要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
25872.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
25874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
我們當初 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
25874.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
25876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
面對COVID-19的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
25876.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
25878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
我們行政院幾天就可以寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
25878.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
25880.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
這個全台灣發口罩的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
25881.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
25883.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
像這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
25883.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
25885.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
我覺得我如果要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
25885.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
25887.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
我三個月內就可以把它做好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
25887.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
25889.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
這個應該不困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
25889.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
25891.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
所以也跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
25891.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
25893.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
25893.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
25895.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
如果可以的話趕快啟動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
25895.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
25897.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
硬體跟軟體的票務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
25897.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
25899.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
系統的整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
25899.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
25901.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
我拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
25901.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].end |
25903.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].text |
就是先把票務系統你先把它用好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].start |
25903.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].end |
25905.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6288].text |
用好之後你要開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].start |
25905.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].end |
25907.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6289].text |
隨時開放啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].start |
25907.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].end |
25909.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6290].text |
不然永遠在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].start |
25909.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].end |
25911.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6291].text |
你用好了之後人家各縣市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].start |
25911.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].end |
25913.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6292].text |
就可以去處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].start |
25913.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].end |
25915.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6293].text |
他如果願意讓他來做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].start |
25915.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].end |
25917.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6294].text |
也必須要各縣市同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].start |
25917.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].end |
25919.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6295].text |
台鐵也是同樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].start |
25919.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].end |
25921.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6296].text |
因為我們當時花比較多的時間是跟地方政府的整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].start |
25921.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].end |
25923.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6297].text |
他們要必須同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].start |
25923.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].end |
25925.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6298].text |
那必須把他們的系統也納進來之後才有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].start |
25925.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].end |
25927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6299].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].start |
25927.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].end |
25929.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6300].text |
各縣市沒有人會不同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].start |
25929.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].end |
25931.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6301].text |
只要一個縣市有的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].start |
25931.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].end |
25933.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6302].text |
哪個縣市敢不敢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].start |
25933.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].end |
25935.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6303].text |
目前看起來大家同意的都想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].start |
25935.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].end |
25937.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6304].text |
現在大家都想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].start |
25937.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].end |
25939.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6305].text |
所以我只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].start |
25939.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].end |
25941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6306].text |
能不能在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].start |
25941.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].end |
25943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6307].text |
能夠具體的說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].start |
25943.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].end |
25945.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6308].text |
能夠承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].start |
25945.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].end |
25947.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6309].text |
是不是先把它建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].start |
25947.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].end |
25949.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6310].text |
我們會來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].start |
25949.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].end |
25951.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6311].text |
這個沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].start |
25951.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].end |
25953.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6312].text |
我還是要這麼說我會去跟高鐵公司來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].start |
25953.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].end |
25955.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6313].text |
因為畢竟他是上市櫃公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].start |
25955.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].end |
25957.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6314].text |
我不能在這邊下達指令 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].start |
25957.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].end |
25959.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6315].text |
我會用溝通的方式請他們來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].start |
25960.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].end |
25962.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6316].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].start |
25962.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].end |
25964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6317].text |
政府如果要做就做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].start |
25964.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].end |
25966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6318].text |
台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].start |
25966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].end |
25968.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6319].text |
高鐵的董事長誰派的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].start |
25968.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].end |
25970.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6320].text |
光古是最多的吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].start |
25970.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].end |
25972.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6321].text |
我說高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].start |
25972.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].end |
25974.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6322].text |
他還是有股票上市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].start |
25974.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].end |
25976.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6323].text |
沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].start |
25976.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].end |
25978.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6324].text |
但我覺得那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].start |
25978.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].end |
25980.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6325].text |
不是理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].start |
25979.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].end |
25981.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6326].text |
難道高鐵就不要賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].start |
25981.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].end |
25983.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6327].text |
報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].start |
25983.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].end |
25985.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6328].text |
報告委員我相信高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].start |
25985.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].end |
25987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6329].text |
也會很歡迎這樣子的政策方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].start |
25987.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].end |
25989.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6330].text |
所以他們一定會答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].start |
25989.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].end |
25991.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6331].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].start |
25991.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].end |
25993.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6332].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].start |
25993.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].end |
25995.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6333].text |
如果他不答應的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].start |
25995.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].end |
25997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6334].text |
我的脾氣雖然很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].start |
25997.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
25999.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
但我也快忍不住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
25999.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
26001.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
我會跟他們溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
26001.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
26003.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
我希望能夠具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
26003.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
26005.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
把它做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].start |
26005.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].end |
26007.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
那再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].start |
26007.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].end |
26009.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6340].text |
這個我們太阪輕軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].start |
26009.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].end |
26011.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6341].text |
關於社後支線的這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].start |
26011.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].end |
26013.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
我相信部長你也很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].start |
26013.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].end |
26015.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6343].text |
這個你非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].start |
26015.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].end |
26017.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
其實社後支線 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].start |
26017.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].end |
26019.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
之前的交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].start |
26019.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].end |
26021.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
在王國材部長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].start |
26021.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].end |
26023.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
跟地方其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].start |
26023.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].end |
26025.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
早就有一個共識的版本了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].start |
26025.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
26027.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
這你應該也非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].start |
26027.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
26029.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
那新北市不知道為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].start |
26029.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
26031.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
一直在拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].start |
26031.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].end |
26033.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
然後又弄出了好幾個版本出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].start |
26033.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].end |
26035.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
就是在拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].start |
26035.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].end |
26037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
那他們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].start |
26037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].end |
26039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
又爆了他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].start |
26039.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].end |
26041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6356].text |
計畫上來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].start |
26041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
26043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
可行性研究的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].start |
26043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
26045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
有報上來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].start |
26045.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
26047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
那他還是有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].start |
26047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].end |
26049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].text |
沒有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].start |
26049.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
26051.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
之前交通部跟他們講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].start |
26051.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].end |
26053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
這一個方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].start |
26053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].end |
26055.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
有共識的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].start |
26056.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].end |
26058.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].text |
未來新建 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].start |
26058.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].end |
26062.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
他覺得是未來新建 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].start |
26062.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
26064.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
其實我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].start |
26064.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].end |
26066.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].text |
部長你應該也非常非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
26066.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].end |
26068.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
預留到查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].start |
26068.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
26070.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
未來再建什麼的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].start |
26070.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
26072.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
就是表示需要建 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].start |
26074.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].end |
26076.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
那他是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].start |
26076.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].end |
26078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6372].text |
有一些原因我也不想講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].start |
26078.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].end |
26080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6373].text |
所以在拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].start |
26080.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].end |
26082.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6374].text |
那我覺得啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].start |
26082.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].end |
26084.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6375].text |
我要在這邊要拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].start |
26084.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].end |
26086.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6376].text |
部長就他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].start |
26086.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].end |
26088.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6377].text |
我們能夠明確告訴他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].start |
26090.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].end |
26092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
就是照之前跟交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].start |
26092.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
26094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
有共識的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].start |
26094.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].end |
26096.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
然後你就這樣報上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].start |
26096.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
26100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6381].text |
請他們不要在這邊弄了好幾個方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].start |
26100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].end |
26102.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6382].text |
就照這個方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].start |
26103.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
26105.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6383].text |
王國材部長也有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].start |
26105.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
26107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
他照這個報上來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].start |
26107.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].end |
26109.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
就要核准了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].start |
26109.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
26111.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
就會核准喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].start |
26111.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].end |
26113.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].text |
中央的錢已經準備好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].start |
26113.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].end |
26115.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6388].text |
我們能不能夠跟新北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].start |
26115.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].end |
26117.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].text |
白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].start |
26117.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
26119.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6390].text |
他這個就給他回這樣的公文 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].start |
26119.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].end |
26121.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6391].text |
請他不要在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].start |
26121.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
26123.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
再有模糊的空間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].start |
26123.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].end |
26125.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
為了地方的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].start |
26125.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].end |
26127.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6394].text |
我覺得這是應該做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].start |
26127.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
26129.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6395].text |
我們其實在之前跟新北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].start |
26129.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].end |
26131.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].text |
在溝通的過程也是朝這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].start |
26131.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
26133.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
在溝通啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].start |
26133.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
26135.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].text |
那我們整個修正的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].start |
26135.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
26137.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].text |
裡面我們回覆他們的韓文裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].start |
26137.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
26139.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
其實也都有提到這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].start |
26139.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
26141.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].start |
26141.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
26143.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
我們寫過來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].start |
26143.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
26145.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
還是寫說保留到差 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].start |
26145.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
26147.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
也就是說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].start |
26147.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
26149.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
興建的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].start |
26149.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
26151.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
目前他是只有寫到這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].start |
26151.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
26153.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
對啦,所以我希望你們白紙黑字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].start |
26153.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
26155.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].text |
能夠把它寫清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].start |
26155.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].end |
26157.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6409].text |
回的文寫清楚啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].start |
26157.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
26159.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
我們來溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
26159.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
26161.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
好,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].start |
26161.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
26163.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].text |
那我再請一下文化部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].start |
26164.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
26166.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
26165.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
26167.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
文化部長,麻煩請文化部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].start |
26174.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
26176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
來,部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].start |
26176.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
26178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
我們在板橋的國家兒童未來館 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
26178.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
26180.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
目前新辦的進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].start |
26180.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
26182.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
感謝委員的關心跟協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
26182.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
26184.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
我們在8月份已經通過新北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].start |
26184.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
26186.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
政府一個都市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
26186.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
26188.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
設計審議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
26188.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
26190.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
現在陸續在辦建造 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
26190.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
26192.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
執照的申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
26192.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
26194.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
另外興建工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
26194.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
26196.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
是在我們內政部國土署的協助下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
26196.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
26198.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
今年8月5號已經辦理第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
26198.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
26200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
公告招標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].start |
26200.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
26202.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
9月22號開標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
26202.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
26204.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
因為投標的產生沒有達到3家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
26204.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
26206.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
留標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
26206.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
26208.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
後來我們在9月24號辦理第二次公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
26208.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
26210.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
剛好是今天10月6號開標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
26211.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
26213.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
那目前是沒有產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
26213.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
26215.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
參加投標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].start |
26215.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
26217.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
所以我們就會在10月底 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
26217.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
26219.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
第三次開標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
26219.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
26221.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
我特別要請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
26221.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
26223.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
因為幾次留標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
26223.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
26225.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
所以希望部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
26225.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
26227.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
跟國土署 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
26227.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
26229.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
能夠充分協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
26229.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
26231.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
看能不能再盡快 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
26232.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
26234.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
好我們會去協商一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].start |
26234.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
26236.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
26236.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
26238.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
那最後我請主院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
26238.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
26240.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
麻煩請再請主院長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
26249.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
26251.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
26251.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
26253.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
就剛剛我說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
26253.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
26255.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
進牢卡搭高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
26255.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
26257.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
其實我也 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
26258 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
26260 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
在總諮詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].start |
26260 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
26262 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
也請教過主委院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
26262 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
26264 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
那時候主委院長也是相當支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
26264 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
26266 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
那你覺得我剛說的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].start |
26266 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
26268 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
先把它建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
26268 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
26270 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
這樣有沒有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].start |
26270 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
26272 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
在新車廂到之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
26272 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
26274 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
我們把該做的準備工作能夠做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
26274 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
26276 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].text |
甚至我們跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].start |
26276.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].end |
26278.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
這個進牢卡原來設想的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].start |
26278.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].end |
26280.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
也能夠把它融合在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].start |
26280.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].end |
26282.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].text |
能夠鼓勵年長者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].start |
26282.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].end |
26284.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
多多出來活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].start |
26284.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].end |
26286.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].text |
對他的健康有益 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].start |
26286.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].end |
26288.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].text |
往這個方向講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].start |
26288.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].end |
26290.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].text |
那至於說進牢卡要怎麼去使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].start |
26290.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].end |
26292.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
我想有必要在做內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].start |
26292.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].end |
26294.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
要不要做一些比較善意合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
26294.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
26296.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
規範我們再來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].start |
26296.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].end |
26298.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
但先把這個建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
26298.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].end |
26300.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
它的軟體設計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].start |
26300.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].end |
26302.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
我覺得應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
26302.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
26304.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
交通部會跟高鐵公司來協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
26304.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
26306.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
高鐵公司盡量來配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
26306.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
26308.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
這個要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
26308.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
26310.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].start |
26310.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
26312.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
其實高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].start |
26312.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
26314.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
他有一些理由都不好意思在這邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].start |
26314.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].end |
26316.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].text |
你知道嗎這個講出來其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].start |
26316.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].end |
26318.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].text |
蠻好笑的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].start |
26318.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
26320.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].text |
我覺得就不在這邊講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
26320.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].end |
26322.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
但真的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
26322.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].end |
26324.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
26324.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
26326.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
這個其實一個很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
26326.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].end |
26328.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].text |
也花不了多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].start |
26328.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
26330.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].text |
那可以馬上做的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].start |
26330.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].end |
26332.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].text |
院長你也認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
26332.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
26334.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
部長也認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
26334.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
26336.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
現在就是只有時效性的問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
26336.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
26338.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
26338.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
26340.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
所以能不能拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
26340.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
26342.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
把握這次新車廂要進來的這個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].start |
26342.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
26344.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
會讓班次更充裕 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
26344.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
26346.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
讓服務能夠更貼近人性的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
26346.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
26348.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
我們就來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
26348.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
26350.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
規範這個事情的發展性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].start |
26350.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
26352.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
好啦我就拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].start |
26352.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
26354.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
就像剛剛部長說的這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].start |
26354.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
26356.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
我們先把它建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].start |
26356.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].end |
26358.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6500].text |
我們就建置完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].start |
26358.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].end |
26360.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
其實後面的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].start |
26360.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
26362.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
我說真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
26361.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
26363.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].text |
如何使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].start |
26362.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].end |
26364.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6504].text |
這個個先是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].start |
26364.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].end |
26366.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6505].text |
政府他會去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].start |
26366.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].end |
26368.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6506].text |
也讓我們的長者有多一個選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].start |
26368.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
26370.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
他平時也就可以來用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].start |
26370.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].end |
26372.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6508].text |
我覺得這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].start |
26372.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].end |
26374.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6509].text |
把禁勞卡發揮到更高的一個效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].start |
26374.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].end |
26376.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6510].text |
好的謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].start |
26376.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].end |
26378.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
一致的提醒這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].start |
26378.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].end |
26380.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
那就拜託院長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].start |
26380.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
26382.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
謝謝張宏路委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].start |
26382.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].end |
26384.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
謝謝卓院長還有交通部長文化部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].start |
26392.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].end |
26394.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6515].text |
接下來我們本日最後一位質詢委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].start |
26394.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].end |
26396.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6516].text |
尤浩委員請質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].start |
26405.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].end |
26407.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
何院長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].start |
26407.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].end |
26409.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
那有請卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].start |
26409.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
26411.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].text |
麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].start |
26417.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].end |
26419.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
那也請經濟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].start |
26419.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
26421.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
麻煩請經濟部長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].start |
26422.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
26424.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
尤浩院長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].start |
26424.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].end |
26426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6523].text |
那在台電的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].start |
26426.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].end |
26428.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
那在民進黨政府這次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].start |
26428.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].end |
26430.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6525].text |
最佳預算中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].start |
26430.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].end |
26432.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
有一部分是編列了711億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].start |
26432.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
26434.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
來撥補台電 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
26434.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
26436.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
持舉時的照顧民生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].start |
26436.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
26438.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
但是是受這個免燃料價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].start |
26438.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
26440.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
衝擊的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].start |
26440.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].end |
26442.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].text |
所以你看穩定物價跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].start |
26442.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
26444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
26444.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
26446.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
那簡單來說透過納稅的錢來補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
26446.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
26448.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
台電讓電價不要上漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].start |
26448.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
26450.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
看起來是合情合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].start |
26450.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
26452.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
那但是也需要經過檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].start |
26452.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
26454.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
那想先就教一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
26454.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
26456.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
台電身為一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].start |
26456.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
26458.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].text |
國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].start |
26458.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
26460.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
他的存在是目標要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].start |
26460.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].end |
26462.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
盈利還是要配合這個特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].start |
26462.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
26464.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
任務他也要承擔相關的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].start |
26465.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
26467.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
任何一個國營事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
26467.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
26469.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
他當然有他自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
26469.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
26471.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
管理上效率上的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].start |
26471.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
26473.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].text |
而且他必須達到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
26473.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].end |
26475.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].text |
他的法定的一個經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].start |
26475.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].end |
26477.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6548].text |
但是國營事業就是要為國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].start |
26477.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
26479.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
民生穩定物價 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].start |
26479.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
26481.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
穩定要建設這種政策目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
26481.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
26483.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
所以我們一再的要求他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].start |
26483.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
26485.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
做很多很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].start |
26485.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
26487.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
政策上的配合希望他能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].start |
26487.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
26489.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
穩定物價也同時必須 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].start |
26489.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].end |
26491.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
在他營運財務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].start |
26491.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].end |
26493.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6556].text |
有所不足的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].start |
26493.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].end |
26495.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
也要透過這樣的公務預算的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].start |
26495.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
26497.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
來填評他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].start |
26497.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
26499.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
不僅是填評過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].start |
26499.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
26501.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
政策目標的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].start |
26501.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
26503.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
也對未來的整體營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].start |
26503.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
26505.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
會給他一個更好的財政體質 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].start |
26505.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
26507.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
那再來就是營利的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].start |
26507.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
26509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
也包含在你剛所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].start |
26509.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
26511.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
承擔的任務以及開源節流 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].start |
26511.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
26513.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
那開源要靠本事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].start |
26513.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
26515.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
節流要靠管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].start |
26515.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
26517.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
那不管有沒有辦法開源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].start |
26517.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
26519.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
至少要把節流做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
26519.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
26521.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
那想問一下部長現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
26521.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
26523.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
或是院長開源跟節流 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
26523.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
26525.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
目前有做了哪些的措施在今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
26525.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
26527.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
以及成效如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
26528.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
26530.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
報告委員我先說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
26530.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
26532.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
今年吸收的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
26532.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
26534.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
的確是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
26534.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
26536.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
因為今年的天然氣長的實在太多了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
26536.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
26538.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
戰爭之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
26539.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
26541.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
大概一個單位的天然氣的價格 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
26541.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
26543.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
大概10塊到11塊美金左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
26543.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
26545.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
現在都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
26545.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
26547.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
漲到25塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
26547.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
26549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
甚至最高還有到27塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
26549.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
26551.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
所以那這個部分大部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
26551.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
26553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
台電公司它吸收了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
26553.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
26555.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
因為中油已經沒有辦法吸收這個了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
26555.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
26557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
因為那個金額太大了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
26557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
26559.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
那如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
26559.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
26561.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
委員您上面這個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
26561.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
26563.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
說如果711億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
26563.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
26565.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
可以全數通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
26565.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
26567.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
那我們會把這樣的information |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
26567.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
26569.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
讓這些審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
26569.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
26571.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
就是我們有電價審議委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
26571.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
26573.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
讓他了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
26573.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
26575.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
26574.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
26576.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
雖然 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
26576.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
26578.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
如果到年底整個吸收的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
26578.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
26580.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
應該是差不多1200億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
26580.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
26582.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
1200億左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
26582.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
26584.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
但是如果有這個711億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
26584.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
26586.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
至少 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
26586.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
26588.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
讓台電的虧損可以控制在一定的水準之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
26588.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
26590.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
它還是可以承受 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
26590.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
26592.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
那直接問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
26592.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
26594.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
711億假如大家來支持通過的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
26594.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
26596.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
在剩下兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
26596.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
26598.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].text |
包含明年2027年的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].start |
26598.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].end |
26600.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6609].text |
在這個電價審議之後的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].start |
26600.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].end |
26602.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6610].text |
是不是明年的話電價可以不用上漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].start |
26603.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
26605.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
因為電價審議它是有兩個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
26605.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
26607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
一個是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].start |
26607.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
26609.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
10月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].start |
26609.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
26611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
另外一個是4月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].start |
26611.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].end |
26613.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6615].text |
所以要到明年4月份 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].start |
26613.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
26615.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
當然我們是希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].start |
26615.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
26617.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
如果這個戰爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].start |
26617.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
26619.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
可以盡快的落幕的情況之下的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].start |
26619.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
26621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
然後天然氣價可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].start |
26621.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
26623.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
可以稍稍回來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
26623.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
26625.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
當然這個這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
26625.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
26627.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
能源價格就可以比較平穩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].start |
26627.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
26629.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
好沒關係 那就請院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
26629.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
26631.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
是不是也回覆一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].start |
26631.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
26633.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
請院長請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
26633.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
26635.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
26635.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
26637.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
26637.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
26639.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].start |
26639.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
26641.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].start |
26641.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
26643.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].start |
26643.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
26645.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
26645.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
26647.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
26647.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
26649.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
26649.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
26651.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
26651.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
26653.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
26653.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
26655.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
26655.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
26657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
26657.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
26659.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
26647.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
26649.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
先前的虧損有所彌平 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
26649.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
26651.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
而且對未來的財政體制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
26651.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
26653.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
能夠稍稍的支撐的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
26653.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
26655.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
這個訊息 我想電價審議委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
26655.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
26657.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
在審議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
26657.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
26659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
會以民生穩定物價穩定的優先考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
26659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
26661.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
那就有助於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
26661.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
26663.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
大家在討論電價的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
26663.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
26665.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
是不是會趨勢比較保守 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
26665.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
26667.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
讓台電繼續承受更多的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
26667.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
26669.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
這個是未來電價審議委員會的公認 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
26669.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
26671.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
那有沒有辦法以此為目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
26672.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
26673.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
我們當然希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
26674.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
26675.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
這個專家預算之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
26675.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
26677.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
讓台電能夠撐住在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
26677.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
26680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
他的財務狀況不會發生極大的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
26680.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
26682 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
他只要能夠繼續的營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
26682 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
26683.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
那國家會來支持他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
26683.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
26684.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
那民生的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
26684.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
26686.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
又列為優先的考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
26686.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
26688.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
讓民生穩定 物價穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
26688.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
26689.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
好 院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
26689.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
26690.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
其實記得在第一會期的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
26690.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
26692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
總質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
26692.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
26693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
前部長有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
26693.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
26694.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
到時候還是會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
26694.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
26696.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
部長會稍後還給您批 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
26696.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
26698.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
那所以電價審議的結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
26698.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
26700.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
到時候還是你這邊會過最後一關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
26700.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
26701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
那我是覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
26701.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
26703.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
2027年是否能夠維持電價不漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
26703.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
26705.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
那尤其在711億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
26705.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
26707.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
那來支持台電的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
26707.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
26709.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
我覺得在方向上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
26709.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
26710.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
能夠穩定物價來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
26710.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
26712.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
我覺得院長是可以做一個宣示 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
26713.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
26714.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
我們在宣示就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
26714.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
26716.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
如果台電的經營 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
26716.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
26718.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
讓他能夠稍稍的健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
26718.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
26721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
沒有帶太大的財政上的危機的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
26721.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
26723.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
那電價審議委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].start |
26723.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
26725.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
我們會期待也鼓勵往民生穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
26725.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
26727.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
物價穩定的方向來走 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
26727.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
26728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
因為台電跟中油不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
26728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
26730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
所以2027年你的方向是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
26730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
26732.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
希望也能夠穩穩不漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
26732.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
26734.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
每一年都期待這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
26734.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
26735.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
不如2027年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
26735.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
26737.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
所以你也是目標不漲嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
26738 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
26739.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
目標物價要穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
26739.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
26741.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
但是這些事業體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
26741.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
26742.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
國營是要穩得住 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
26742.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
26743.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
撐得住 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
26743.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
26744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
那沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
26744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
26745.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
那那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
26745.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
26748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
在台電的員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
26748.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
26749.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
其實在一直以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
26749.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
26750.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
在許多的風災也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
26750.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
26752.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
各式的災情搶修 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
26752.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
26754.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
其實是非常辛苦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
26754.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
26754.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
26755.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
26756.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
也想要問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
26756.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
26758.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
他們的表現應該是可圈可點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
26758.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
26759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
26759.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
26762.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
所以台電的各項的活動慶典 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
26762.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
26763.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
紀念日 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
26763.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
26764.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
80週年等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
26764.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
26767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
甚至這一次的聯合集團結婚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
26767.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
26768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
我都主動爭取要去參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
26768.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
26771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
那你會不會同意幫他們主動加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
26771.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
26773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
加薪會有用我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
26773.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
26775.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
公教 軍公教人員加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
26775.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
26778.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
會來應用到台電的這個相當比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
26778.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
26780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
但因為國營跟軍公教人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
26780.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
26781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
到底不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
26781.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
26782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
加薪嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
26782.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
26783.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
我會支持合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
26783.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
26785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
薪資調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
26785.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
26787.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
OK 那部長會送給院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].start |
26787.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].end |
26787.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6718].text |
會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
26788.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
26789.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
OK 那所以說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
26789.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
26790.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
那就謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
26790.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
26791.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
還有謝謝院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
26791.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
26794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
為我們辛苦的台電的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
26794.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
26794.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
謝謝委員的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
26794.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
26796.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
為他們加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
26796.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
26798.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
好 那接著我要接著請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
26798.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
26801.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
就是在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
26801.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
26802.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
我過去是海龍挖兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
26802.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
26804.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
冰天雪地越海的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
26804.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
26806.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
青濤駭浪加青州 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
26806.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
26807.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
敵人心驚又膽寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
26807.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
26809.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
令我挖兵微凝陽 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
26809.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
26812.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
那是我們海龍挖兵打樹的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
26812.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
26813.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
26813.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
26815.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
在那時候的海龍挖兵在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
26815.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
26816.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
受訓也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
26816.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
26817.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
我們的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
26817.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
26819.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
當然是願意為國家犧牲奉獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
26819.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
26822.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
不讓國人受到一點傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
26822.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
26824.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
但是看到最近媒體報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
26824.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
26825.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
都跟當初所 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
26825.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
26827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
受的訓練的概念上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].start |
26827.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].end |
26828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].text |
都完全不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].start |
26828.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].end |
26830.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].text |
所以我們要請教這個軍民區隔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].start |
26830.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].end |
26831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
到底存不存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].start |
26831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
26833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
也想要同時請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
26833.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
26835.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].text |
包含國防部長跟內政部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].start |
26835.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
26838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].text |
那在報導中的話可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].start |
26838.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
26840.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
海軍陸戰隊的兩棲偵測大隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
26840.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
26841.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
留志作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].start |
26841.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
26843.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].text |
要人員去識別化的偽裝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
26843.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
26845.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].text |
陸軍編列14.4億 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
26845.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
26848.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
要採購車裝飛彈裝置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
26848.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
26850.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].text |
以外觀普通的貨車來搭載 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].start |
26850.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
26852.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
AGA-114反裝甲飛彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
26852.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
26854.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
以及報導指稱將故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].start |
26854.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
26856.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].text |
還有剛才所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
26856.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
26858.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
國家兒童未來管車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
26858.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
26860.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].text |
台北車站等民用跟公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
26860.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
26864.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
列入暫時備遠的一個長矢評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].start |
26864.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
26866.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
那想要先請教一下內政部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
26866.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
26869.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].text |
報導說把故宮國家兒童未來管台北車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
26869.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
26873.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
民用等公共設施列入暫時的備遠長矢評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
26873.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
26875.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].text |
到底有沒有這樣的評估或報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].start |
26875.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
26877.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].text |
報告委員目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
26877.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
26879.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].text |
我想這個都不是一個正確的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].start |
26879.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].end |
26883.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].text |
應該是說我們在盤點有很多避難設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].start |
26883.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
26885.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].text |
那公共設施裡面的避難設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].start |
26885.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].end |
26887.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
如果你碰到地震等等的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
26887.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
26888.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
我們當然需要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].start |
26888.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
26890.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
那這都是對一般民眾而言的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].start |
26890.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
26891.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
不是所謂的備遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].start |
26891.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
26893.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
或者是暫時的支援重心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
26893.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
26896.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
那所以說在防災的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
26896.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
26898.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
救災的時候 災時避難的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
26898.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
26900.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
這些都是很合理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
26900.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
26902.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
我們警政署本來就是就民房上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
26902.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
26905.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
怎麼樣做避難 收容安置的設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
26905.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
26907.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
本來就是跟很多公共設施需要做結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
26907.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
26909.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
目前是朝著這個方向在規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].start |
26909.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
26910.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
而且在進行當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
26910.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
26913.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
那所以說這其實也在內政部的評估裡來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
26913.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
26916.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
那不管是平常的防救災 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
26916.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
26919.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
或是假如有突發狀況或暫時的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
26919.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
26921.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
這些也曾經被討論過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].start |
26921.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
26926.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
因為我們要收容大致上很多的災民的狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].start |
26926.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
26928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
本來就應該考慮有各種不同的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
26928.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
26930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
好 那接著請問一下國防部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
26930.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
26932.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
大家國防部有針對這些地點場子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].start |
26932.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
26934.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
做過討論或評估嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].start |
26935.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
26939.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
我想強化這個暫時的韌性 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].start |
26939.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
26944.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
是國防部一直以來的一個相關的努力的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
26944.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
26948.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
對 那把軍事目標變得像民用目標的戰術 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
26948.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
26952.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
會不會反而增加平民在一般暫時被誤判波及的風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
26952.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
26956.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
我們沒有說要將軍事的目標轉為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
26956.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
26958.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
您剛說的是轉為民事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
26958.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
26962.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
我是說暫時的時候會是成為一些據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
26962.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
26968.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
或是類似那種到時候動員的一些據點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
26968.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
26970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
我想跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
26970.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
26972.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
我們是進行防衛作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
26972.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
26975.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
不是進行這個到敵近去進行攻勢作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].start |
26975.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
26979.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
所以防衛作戰的一個最重要的目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].start |
26979.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
26984.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
就是我們要進行一個不對稱的作戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
26984.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
26985.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
在主場的優勢的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
26985.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
26987.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
那我就直接請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
26987.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
26990.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
來抵禦這一個共軍的侵入 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
26990.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
26993.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
讓他的共軍侵入的行動不能成功 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].start |
26993.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
26995.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
所以這些地點像是故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
26995.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
26999.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
台北車站做成暫時備援的一個地點的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
26999.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
27002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
像是民眾的疏散計畫是否有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
27002.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
27004.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
剛剛我想內政部長已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
27004.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
27009.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
我沒有在考慮什麼故宮或者是台北車站這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
27009.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
27012.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
那相關的這些我們在暫時 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].start |
27012.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
27013.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
作為一個備援的一個處所 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].start |
27013.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
27017.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
可能你要容我沒有辦法在這個地方跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].start |
27017.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
27018.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
那所以沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
27018.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
27022.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
這個部分我覺得有些事情在國防上面還是得保密 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
27022.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
27028.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
但是在這些地點的場地址討論跟疏散方案的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
27028.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
27030.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
是也有被做過評估過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
27031.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
27036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
暫時備援的這些地點場地像是車站故宮兒童醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
27036.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
27038.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
這些都有做過討論或推演吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
27039.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
27043.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].text |
您剛剛舉的這些地點我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
27044.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
27047.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
就我理解並不是一個真實的一個訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
27047.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
27048.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
那有沒有做過討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
27048.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
27050.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
因為這個是決定跟討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
27050.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
27051.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
這是兩碼的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
27051.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
27053.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
我的理解如果沒有錯的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
27053.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
27054.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
相關有些相關的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
27054.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
27056.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
您講的應該是CJUC |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].start |
27056.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
27060.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
就是屬於中央聯合應變中心的一個相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].start |
27060.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
27063.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
但是就這個部分不歸我們國防部主責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
27063.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
27067.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
但我的了解這也並不是一個正確的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].start |
27067.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
27068.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
好沒有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
27068.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
27071.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
那如果說在這樣子的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
27071.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
27074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
跟方向的一個研判跟規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].start |
27074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
27077.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
那本席還是要在這裡做提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].start |
27077.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
27081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
因為任何的一個國際人道法的區別原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
27081.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
27085.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
那其實在軍事目標跟民用物體上是做區隔的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
27085.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
27091.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
那真正的一個戰爭除了是要保護這個等於是防衛安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].start |
27091.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].end |
27094.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].text |
但是另外一點就是要保衛人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].start |
27094.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].end |
27096.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].text |
不能說騙得過敵軍一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].start |
27096.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].end |
27099.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].text |
但是卻讓一般送貨的貨車送物資的百姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].start |
27099.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].end |
27101.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].text |
反而風險提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].start |
27101.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].end |
27105.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].text |
那所以屏戰轉換跟進攻跟居民的疏散計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].start |
27105.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].end |
27106.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].text |
那其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].start |
27106.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].end |
27108.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].text |
包括在討論上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].start |
27108.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].end |
27109.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].text |
還是要去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].start |
27109.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].end |
27112.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].text |
如何能夠讓民眾更安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].start |
27112.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].end |
27116.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].text |
那所以在這個的整個的一個討論跟規劃上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].start |
27116.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].end |
27118.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].text |
還是要保護平民為最大目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].start |
27118.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].end |
27119.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].text |
崑偉報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].start |
27119.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].end |
27125.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].text |
我想軍民整合在演練的目的就是在面臨這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].start |
27125.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].end |
27128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].text |
如果萬一有緊急狀態的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].start |
27128.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].end |
27131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].text |
如何確保這個民眾的一個安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].start |
27131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].end |
27136.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].text |
跟讓我們能夠順利的遂行我們的防衛作戰任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].start |
27136.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].end |
27138.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].text |
這樣同時能夠兼顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].start |
27138.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].end |
27140.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].text |
我想這個就是我們的一個目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].start |
27140.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].end |
27142.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].text |
不過我要跟委員澄清一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].start |
27142.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].end |
27144.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].text |
如果是颱風水災等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].start |
27144.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].end |
27147.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].text |
我們中央應變中心是大家所知道的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].start |
27147.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].end |
27149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].text |
但如果不是這些災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].start |
27149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].end |
27152.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].text |
是一些人為的特殊的災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].start |
27152.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].end |
27155.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].text |
那我們應變中心世界EOC到底在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].start |
27155.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].end |
27157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].text |
倒不是我們這裡可以來公開討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].start |
27157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].end |
27160.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].text |
那我們既然要維持世界EOC本身的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].start |
27160.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].end |
27163.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].text |
就不會把它跟民眾的安全有妨礙的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].start |
27163.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].end |
27165.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].text |
把它放在明顯的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].start |
27165.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].end |
27167.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].text |
所以我們是在另外一種考量底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].start |
27167.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].end |
27169.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].text |
而不是用現在的觀念來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].start |
27169.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].end |
27172.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].text |
好OK 謝謝院長的一個誠經說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].start |
27172.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].end |
27174.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].text |
那內政部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].start |
27174.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].end |
27178.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].text |
那接著請問一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].start |
27178.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].end |
27183.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].text |
那就是在目前先講這個毒品獨價的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].start |
27183.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].end |
27187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].text |
美沙東乾淨真區這醫療減害措施今天不可回談 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].start |
27187.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].end |
27189.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].text |
但是想要問一下行政院目前對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].start |
27189.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].end |
27191.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].text |
毒品政策的界線在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].start |
27191.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].end |
27194.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].text |
減害跟儲存化的界線在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].start |
27194.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].end |
27197.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].text |
醫療戒制跟毒品正常化的界線又在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].start |
27197.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].end |
27199.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].text |
那想請院長回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].start |
27200.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].end |
27203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].text |
我們在毒價的防治上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].start |
27203.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].end |
27206.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].text |
我們先前經過多次的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].start |
27206.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].end |
27211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].text |
我們從各個面向找出了14項左右的一些措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].start |
27211.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].end |
27213.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].text |
我們從源頭管制等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].start |
27213.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].end |
27216.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].text |
我們有相當多的一些面向來處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].start |
27216.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].end |
27218.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].text |
那這個就是依照這樣的處置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].start |
27218.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].end |
27220.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].text |
現在我們從各個數字看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].start |
27220.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].end |
27225.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].text |
整個案件數以及案件的造勢率 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].start |
27225.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].end |
27227.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].text |
都有在下降都有在控制當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].start |
27227.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].end |
27229.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].text |
好那本席再問仔細一點好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].start |
27229.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].end |
27231.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].text |
行政院會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].start |
27231.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].end |
27233.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].text |
可不可以不支持毒品主罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].start |
27233.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].end |
27235.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].text |
還是會支持毒品主罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].start |
27237.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].end |
27238.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].text |
毒品不可以除罪化啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].start |
27238.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].end |
27239.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].text |
對啊沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].start |
27239.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].end |
27241.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].text |
所以如果不支持的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].start |
27241.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].end |
27244.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].text |
那希望院長能夠把政府的底線講得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].start |
27244.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].end |
27248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].text |
那幫助成癮者戒癮、治療、降低傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].start |
27248.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].end |
27250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].text |
能不能因為減害兩個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].start |
27250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].end |
27254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].text |
變得讓民眾取得毒品更容易或是被合理化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].start |
27255.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].end |
27258.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].text |
但是這是國際上已經實證相當長一段時間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].start |
27258.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].end |
27259.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].text |
幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].start |
27261.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].end |
27264.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].text |
吸食毒品的人不把它純粹當作犯罪的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].start |
27264.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].end |
27267.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].text |
而他當作一個必須用治療的行為讓他戒癮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].start |
27267.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].end |
27269.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].text |
或是用各種的方式讓他減害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].start |
27269.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].end |
27271.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].text |
那這是國際上認證 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].start |
27271.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].end |
27272.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].text |
我們也行之多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].start |
27272.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].end |
27275.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].text |
在任何執政黨執政的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].start |
27275.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].end |
27277.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].text |
都用這樣的方式在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].start |
27277.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].end |
27281.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].text |
那這個有降低所有風險的事實印證存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].start |
27281.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].end |
27283.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].text |
但是現在來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].start |
27283.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].end |
27285.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].text |
社會上面來講毒品的氾濫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].start |
27285.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].end |
27288.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].text |
應該院長是認為是更嚴重沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].start |
27289.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].end |
27290.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].text |
新興毒品越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].start |
27290.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].end |
27295.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].text |
所以我們才有針對毒品的各項面向及措施來因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].start |
27295.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].end |
27299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].text |
那這個跟戒癮或是減害的作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].start |
27299.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].end |
27302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].text |
它可以同時在不同的範疇裡面去存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].start |
27302.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].end |
27304.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].text |
也因為戒癮跟除害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].start |
27304.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].end |
27306.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].text |
事實上幫助了很多有毒癮的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].start |
27308.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].end |
27309.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].text |
進到這樣的一個處遇過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].start |
27309.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].end |
27314.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].text |
對他本身能夠在從事正當的生活、家庭、工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].start |
27314.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].end |
27315.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].text |
是有幫助的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].start |
27315.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].end |
27318.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].text |
民眾他比較會希望或家長他比較希望的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].start |
27318.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].end |
27321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].text |
毒品如何不要進入校園不要進入社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].start |
27321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].end |
27324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].text |
而不是在於變得是如何放寬一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].start |
27324.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].end |
27327.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].text |
所以說行政院是否可以明確反對毒品正常化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].start |
27328.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].end |
27330.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].text |
毒品不可以正常化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].start |
27330.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].end |
27332.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].text |
而且要加強對毒品的行者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].start |
27332.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].end |
27336.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].text |
那是否會反對任何可能降低青少年毒品危害認知的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].start |
27338.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].end |
27339.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].text |
不會反對嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].start |
27339.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].end |
27340.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].text |
降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].start |
27341.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].end |
27345.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].text |
任何的毒品政策都應該以今天下午不要危害社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].start |
27345.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].end |
27349.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].text |
不要造成公共安全風險為基本的確詐 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].start |
27349.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].end |
27351.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
我們希望校園都是無毒無害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].start |
27351.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].end |
27353.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].text |
也希望家庭無毒無害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].start |
27353.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].end |
27356.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].text |
所以必須家庭、社區、學校以及政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].start |
27356.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].end |
27358.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].text |
跟民間各種團體一起來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].start |
27358.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].end |
27363.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].text |
好那本席要直接再接著問一下國防部長一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].start |
27363.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].end |
27364.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].start |
27364.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].end |
27365.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].text |
部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].start |
27365.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].end |
27368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].text |
那在這裡剛好有個機會可以讓你針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].start |
27368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].end |
27373.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].text |
之前施用毒品者醫療潛質化的部分表達一下立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].start |
27376.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].end |
27378.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
那時候我們在登登立法委員的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].start |
27379.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].end |
27382.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].text |
施用毒品者醫療潛質化這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].start |
27382.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].end |
27384.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
這是毒品零容忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].start |
27384.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].end |
27385.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].text |
毒品不能合法化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].start |
27385.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].end |
27386.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
這是你支持吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].start |
27386.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].end |
27387.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].start |
27387.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].end |
27388.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
27388.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
27390.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
毒品的相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
27390.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
27391.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
就我的理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
27391.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
27395.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
現在正在台北市政府所進行的相關的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
27395.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
27396.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
都跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
27396.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
27399.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
如果您要問我在立委當時的一個政策的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
27399.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
27401.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
我想這個都是相符的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
27401.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
27402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
27402.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
27403.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
毒品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].start |
27403.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
27408.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
當然有所重在用替代的療法來進行幫它進行切治 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
27408.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
27409.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
這才是根本的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
27409.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
27414.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].text |
所以你也會反對社區中心提供毒品給吸毒者吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
27414.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
27417.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
不是這個台北市政府就我的理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
27417.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
27419.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
我想我現在是光復 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
27419.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
27420.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
在光復 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
27420.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
27422.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
您這樣子問我有點大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
27422.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
27423.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
我只能夠說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
27423.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
27427.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
我所有相關的這個毒品的戒指的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
27427.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
27430.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
都跟現在台北市政府正在進行的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
27430.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
27433.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
跟座委其實是相符的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
27433.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
27435.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
所以社區中心不應該提供毒品給吸毒者嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
27435.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].end |
27439.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].text |
報告委員台北市現在有34個社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
27440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].end |
27442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].text |
是在提供這種減害措施的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
27442.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].end |
27444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].text |
也有三個醫院院區 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].start |
27444.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].end |
27448.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].text |
在台灣有人提出社區藥設置一個中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
27448.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
27452.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
提供毒品吸食用具以及政府人員在旁邊監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
27452.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].end |
27453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
吸食 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].start |
27453.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].end |
27455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
那這種毒行政院應該是反對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
27456.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
27458.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
如果是美沙東他必須在社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
27458.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
27459.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
27459.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].end |
27462.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].text |
今天來講那個在上面資料所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
27462.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
27464.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
他講的就不是美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
27464.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].end |
27467.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].text |
那是什麼沒有提供美沙東 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
27471.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].end |
27473.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
所以這個不分員上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
27473.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].end |
27475.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
院長是覺得不宜嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
27479.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].end |
27481.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].text |
我必須要坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
27482.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
27483.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
毒品凝膿忍啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
27483.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
27485.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
毒品也不能處罪化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
27485.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
27488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
社區中心也不能夠放置毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
27488.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
27490.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
不管是在剛才所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
27490.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
27493.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
國際上是不是認為有效管理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
27493.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
27495.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
能夠降低這個社會風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
27495.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
27497.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
但是其實民眾跟家長擔心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
27497.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
27499.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
如果現在來講提出的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
27499.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
27500.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
毒品要放在社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
27500.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
27501.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
來做這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
27501.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
27503.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
又扯上毒品等於藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
27504.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
27508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
有很多人都不會在社區要發放毒品 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
27508.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
27511.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
而是社區中心如果他是一個社區藥局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
27511.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
27514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
或是有醫護人員的一個什麼樣的形態的中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
27514.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
27517.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
他要行這個動作是在減害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
27517.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
27521.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
幫助這個有毒癮的人降低他的受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
27521.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
27523.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
讓他能夠回歸正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
27523.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
27525.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
絕對不是提供毒品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
27525.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
27527.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
它是一個減害的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
27527.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
27528.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
那我坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
27528.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
27530.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
那這個部分對於毒品凝膿忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
27530.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
27531.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
跟大家的擔憂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
27532.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
27534.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
那現在台北市就這樣在做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
27534.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
27535.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
那我坦白講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
27535.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
27537.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
因為它毒品不是藥品啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
27538.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
27540.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
那今天所討論的這個部分不是美沙東啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
27540.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
27542.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
那那是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
27542.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
27544.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
那個包括目前來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
27544.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
27546.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
張景聲他不是也提到包括大麻嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
27547.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
27548.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
好沒關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
27548.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
27550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
這個部分我剛才原本是要讓部長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
27550.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
27553.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
針對過去的部分來表達一下立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
27553.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
27554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
我們請問會不會來說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
27554.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
27555.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
有沒有提供其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
27555.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
27556.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
委員我想再 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
27556.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
27557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
27557.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
27559.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
因為我是主責的部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
27559.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
27561.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
應該是就我主責的部會來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
27561.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
27562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
沒關係因為那是你過去的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
27562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
27563.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
如果那這樣的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
27563.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
27567.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
那我就變成委員跟委員來對談辯論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
27567.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
27569.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
所以說換了位置的說法就不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
27569.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
27570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
27570.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
27571.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
好啦沒關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
27571.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
27572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
不是我只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
27572.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
27573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
已經剛剛也說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
27573.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
27575.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
這個議題你也說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
27575.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
27576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
這就是你的答案啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
27576.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
27578.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
好部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
27578.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
27580.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
那我想說接著交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
27583.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
27584.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
請交易部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
27584.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
27585.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
交通部交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
27585.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
27586.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
跟正交通部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
27595.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
27599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
那剛才那一題我們還是堅決反對在社區中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
27599.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
27601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
有毒品的這個風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
27601.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
27603.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
但是換個輕鬆一點的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
27603.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
27605.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
我們交通部陳時凱部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
27605.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
27608.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
其實非常用心也幫南投許多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
27608.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
27610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
那針對高鐵的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
27610.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
27612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
在上個月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
27612.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
27613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
我在搭乘高鐵的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
27613.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
27616.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
看到這個有的爸爸媽媽帶著小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
27616.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
27618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
在乘坐的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
27618.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
27620.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
因為小孩子都會發出一些聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
27620.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
27623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
所以到最後變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
27623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
27625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
一下子他們的帳務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
27625.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
27627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
他還請這個媽媽 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
27627.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
27629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
讓小孩不要苦鬧 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
27629.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
27630.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
一方面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
27630.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
27631.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
到最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
27631.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
27633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
又請他是不是可以把小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
27633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
27635.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
是不是先帶到外面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
27635.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
27636.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
那之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].start |
27637.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].end |
27639.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].text |
餘態的乘客 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].start |
27639.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].end |
27643.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].text |
還有人對這個家長他們表達側目 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].start |
27643.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].end |
27645.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].text |
還甚至罵了一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].start |
27645.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].end |
27648.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].text |
那這個感覺起來就非常讓人難過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].start |
27648.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].end |
27650.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].text |
那我在想 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].start |
27650.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].end |
27651.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].text |
一些比較溫馨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].start |
27651.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].end |
27653.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].text |
但是對社會有幫助就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].start |
27653.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].end |
27654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].text |
高鐵的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
27654.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].end |
27658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].text |
有沒有可能針對這個親子車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].start |
27658.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].end |
27660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].text |
或是家庭區 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
27660.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].end |
27662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].text |
能夠比照德國或奧地利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
27662.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].end |
27664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].text |
來做一個設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
27664.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].end |
27666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
因為寧靜區跟親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
27666.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].end |
27669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
它不應該是分開的平行線 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
27669.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].end |
27672.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].text |
那它有可能在其他國家也都做到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
27672.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].end |
27675.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
它是可以在部分車廂或部分區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
27675.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].end |
27678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
來設置在高鐵有這個親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
27678.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].end |
27681.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
或者是讓小朋友能夠在那個城市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
27681.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].end |
27684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].text |
在當初訂票的時候就可以做選擇 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
27684.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].end |
27686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].text |
那想問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
27686.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].end |
27687.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
部長對於這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
27687.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].end |
27690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
是不是可以在今年或明年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].start |
27690.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].end |
27694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].text |
把這個部分能夠來協助這個親子完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
27694.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].end |
27696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
甚至如果這個是正向的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
27696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].end |
27698.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
院長是不是可以表達支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
27698.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].end |
27700.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
像委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
27700.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
27702.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
態度上當然我很支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
27702.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].end |
27704.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
因為我們家也有三個小朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
27704.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
27708.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
那確實親子區是一個很進步國家大家的一個顯現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
27708.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
27710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].text |
那不過現在高鐵有遇到一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
27710.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
27712.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
就是說車廂相當的擁擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
27712.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
27714.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
在相當擁擠的狀況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
27714.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
27716.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
有沒有辦法去規劃出一個親子區 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
27716.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
27717.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
這是一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
27717.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
27718.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
那另外一個討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
27718.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
27721.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
其實社會在之前寧靜車廂的討論的過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
27721.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
27722.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
也有講到這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
27722.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
27725.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
就是說如果我們劃製了親子區之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
27725.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
27727.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
小朋友如果到了其他的區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
27727.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
27730.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
如果其他的旅客不開心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
27730.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
27731.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
會不會有這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
27731.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
27733.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
其實我們也正在討論當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
27733.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
27736.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
那其實應該要整個社會大家對親子要是友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
27736.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
27737.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
對小朋友要是友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
27737.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
27740.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
這是一個很重要的文明的一個態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
27740.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
27743.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
那我們也跟高鐵公司其實有討論過這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
27743.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
27747.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
我們希望說未來在真正我們的空間有餘裕的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
27747.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
27748.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
像台鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
27748.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
27751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
台鐵現在有一些車廂其實就是比較親子化的車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
27751.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
27753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
它有些餘裕的空間可以這麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
27753.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
27755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
那高鐵目前是比較擁擠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
27755.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
27757.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
我們希望說未來新的車子進來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
27757.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
27758.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
有餘裕的空間的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
27758.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
27759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
是不是可以朝向這個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
27759.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
27761.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
我覺得這是很好的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
27761.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
27763.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
也值得討論也值得研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
27763.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
27765.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
那有沒有可能在未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
27765.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
27768.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
在今年底車廂進來的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
27768.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
27770.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
能夠有一個試行計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
27770.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].end |
27772.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].text |
不管是在部分的車次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].start |
27772.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].end |
27775.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].text |
或者是在可能某一節像第一節 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].start |
27775.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].end |
27776.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].text |
或是中間的車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].start |
27776.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].end |
27779.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].text |
有沒有可能往這方向來辦理一個計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].start |
27781.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].end |
27782.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].text |
像委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].start |
27782.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].end |
27785.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].text |
我們趕快來去跟高鐵來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].start |
27785.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].end |
27786.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].text |
到時候它車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].start |
27786.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
27789.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
新的車上線之後它是陸續上線 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].start |
27789.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].end |
27792.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
那到什麼時候它的餘裕空間足夠的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].start |
27792.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
27793.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
我們就趕快來示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].start |
27793.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
27796.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].text |
我覺得這是很值得示範的一個方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].start |
27796.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].end |
27798.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
那是不是也讓院長來宣示一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].start |
27798.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].end |
27802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].text |
我是認為如果車廂將來比較餘裕的來供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].start |
27802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
27807.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
在非常擁擠的尖峰時段的部分的班次 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].start |
27807.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].end |
27808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
裡面的特定車廂 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].start |
27808.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].end |
27812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].text |
倒是可以有一個可行性的一些評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].start |
27812.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
27814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
那就是來做一個示範 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
27814.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
27816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
應該是在年底的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].start |
27816.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
27818.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
是不是有一個方案來試試看 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].start |
27819.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
27821.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
我們跟高鐵來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].start |
27821.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
27824.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
好 那部長您的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].start |
27824.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].end |
27825.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].text |
OK 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].start |
27825.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
27827.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].text |
好 那有請文貴部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].start |
27828.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].end |
27829.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
那請農業部長備去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].start |
27834.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
27836.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
那謝謝農業部 |
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那我在這裡也為我們南投的茶農來請命一下 |
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那在過去的話 |
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我們跟博娃許縣長 |
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27845.65 |
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縣府團隊跟蔡總支議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].start |
27845.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].end |
27849.65 |
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曾經針對南投的茶青民間鄉 |
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27849.65 |
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來做一些問題的提出 |
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27852.65 |
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27856.65 |
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那時候在2025年茶青價格已經是30塊 |
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27856.65 |
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可是在今年的話 |
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27860.65 |
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已經快速腰斬到甚至到13塊 |
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27860.65 |
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27863.65 |
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那時候縣府有把地方 |
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27863.65 |
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走轉上去的一個 |
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27867.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
四十二十萬的一個經費 |
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27867.65 |
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27869.65 |
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還需要能夠來做一個補貼 |
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那這個是當然先治標 |
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那這個部分是不是部長這邊也可以表達支持 |
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27878.12 |
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27880.12 |
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我先跟委員報告 |
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27880.12 |
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今年特別在南投這邊的茶價比較低 |
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最主要是因為豪雨的關係 |
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所造成的一些品質 |
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這是第一個部分 |
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27888.12 |
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第二個部分就是現在的茶商本身的庫存還有 |
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27896.12 |
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所以導致說他在收購的時候價格會壓低 |
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27896.12 |
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就成如你說的 |
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27899.12 |
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本來是大概每台金25、6塊 |
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27902.12 |
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現在已經降到13塊左右 |
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27902.12 |
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27905.12 |
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所以我們就即時的啟動了相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].start |
27905.12 |
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27907.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
所謂的穩價的一個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].start |
27907.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
27909.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
那穩價的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
27909.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
27912.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
很多人都認為說這些錢這些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].start |
27912.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
27915.98 |
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是要給茶農還是茶商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
27915.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
27916.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
還是全部給茶農 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
27916.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
27917.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
27917.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
27919.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
我們在處理穩價措施的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].start |
27919.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].end |
27925.98 |
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當然給茶農表示說他可能獲得一些補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
27925.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
27929.98 |
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但是如果沒有辦法讓茶商進場去買的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
27929.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
27931.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
那個價格會壓得更低 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].start |
27931.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
27933.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
這是我們過去的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
27933.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
27936.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
所以我們一定會找到一個對產業有幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
27936.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
27939.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
對農民有幫助的穩價措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
27939.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
27941.98 |
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好那所以說這個補貼來講 |
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27941.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
27945.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
目前農業部這邊是正向支持也通過核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].start |
27945.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
27951.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
我們是支持然後由那個公所這邊他提報以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
27951.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
27954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
透過縣府提報以後我們會做核定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
27954.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
27955.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
27955.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
27957.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
那另外的還是要補充一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
27957.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
27959.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
那關鍵還是在於銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
27959.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
27962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
因為茶農他們怕血本無歸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
27962.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].end |
27964.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].text |
那以前的茶商他們的通路 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
27964.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
27967.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
跟現在來講他們反而囤貨之後不收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
27967.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
27971.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
造成茶農他們現在是非常的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
27971.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
27974.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
那所以說還是要拜託農業部這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
27974.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
27976.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
能夠找出一些外銷的管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
27976.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
27978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
來協助產業的外銷 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
27978.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
27981.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
那最後就是南投茶葉博覽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
27981.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
27984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
在這個禮拜到10月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].start |
27984.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
27987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
那在這邊也邀請院長跟部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
27987.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
27990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
可以一起來關心南投茶葉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
27990.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
27992.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
一起來行銷南投好茶 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
27993.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
27995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
我跟你們報告我明天就會下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
27995.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
27997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
明天我就會下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].start |
27997.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
27999.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
因為最主要的就像您說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].start |
27999.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
28003.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
就是怎麼樣讓我們的外銷的通路能夠順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
28003.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
28005.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
這是我們大家一起努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
28005.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
28006.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].start |
28006.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
28009.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
那最後要請教一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].start |
28009.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
28011.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
那還是要請部長陪一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].start |
28011.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
28013.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
就是在去年7月11號的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
28013.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
28016.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
所謂院長你在丹那市颱風來南投勘災 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
28016.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
28019.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
那時候我跟許淑華縣長有向你反應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
28019.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
28022.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
許多農民在台大實驗林根諸的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].start |
28022.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
28025.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
礙於法令跟照林地使用限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
28025.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
28028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
農民都沒有辦法申請到農業的天然災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
28028.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
28030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
那時候你有承諾會協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
28030.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
28032.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
那這個老議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].start |
28032.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
28034.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
其實從許淑華縣長擔任立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].start |
28034.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
28037.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
像林全院長 賴清德院長 蘇貞昌院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].start |
28037.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
28039.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
諮詢時的時候都有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
28039.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
28043.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
你是在中間經歷的第四位行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
28043.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
28045.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
那想要直接請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
28045.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
28047.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
那目前來講協助的進度如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
28047.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
28050.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
因為他跨越許多的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
28050.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
28054.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
包括原民會 包括國產署 包括台大實驗林 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
28054.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
28057.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
那這個部分到底現在的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
28057.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
28060.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
如何能夠讓民眾他們頂得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
28060.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
28062.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
請陳部長來說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].start |
28062.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
28064.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].text |
這個部分我們已經解開他的一些限制了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
28064.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
28065.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
我跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
28065.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
28067.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
就是上次在去年度的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
28067.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
28069.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
有很多委員質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
28069.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
28072.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
那院長當場就要求我們來做這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
28072.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
28074.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
最適當的一個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].start |
28074.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].end |
28075.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].text |
那我也跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].start |
28075.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
28077.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
我們針對他在林場這個部分已經解開了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
28077.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
28079.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
只要他在林地裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
28079.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
28084.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
本身他維持至少30%的林木的情況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
28084.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
28086.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
那70%的這些農作物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
28086.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
28091.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
果樹類的農作物一律都可以得到天然代替救助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].start |
28091.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
28093.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
這個已經啟動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].start |
28093.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
28095.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
好 那這個是請就段 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
28095.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
28096.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
那另外的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
28096.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
28098.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
森林塔81條的一個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
28098.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
28103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
那時候建議政府在代管土地單位的這些機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
28103.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
28105.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].text |
那標準要做到一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
28105.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
28107.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
那賴清德總統那時候擔任行政院長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
28107.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
28110.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
徐書華縣長擔任立委總諮詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].start |
28110.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
28111.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
有曾經討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
28111.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
28115.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
這個相關單位應該拉到跟國參署的標準規定一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
28115.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
28117.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
就是82年7月21號開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
28117.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
28120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
那所以賴清德院長那時候有做過幾個承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
28120.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
28123.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
包括第一還沒有完全承諸的契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
28123.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
28125.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
在不違反的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
28125.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
28128.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
需要符合契約能夠繼續承諸 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
28128.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
28131.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
那在原鄉裡面有許多百姓受到訴訟的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
28131.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
28133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
政府因為越修越嚴格 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
28133.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
28135.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
管理的要點一直在改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
28135.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
28137.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
那所以說那時候有聽到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
28137.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
28140.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
訴訟案件的話先行暫緩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
28140.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
28144.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
但是因為到時候賴院長就轉做其他跑道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
28144.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
28148.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
所以說因為目前現在許多的農民不斷的受到追討訴訟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
28148.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
28150.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
那請問一下院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
28150.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
28154.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
有沒有可能維持當初賴清德院長這時候的兩個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
28156.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
28158.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
我先跟委員報告一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
28158.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
28161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
就是您剛才所提到的國戰組的82721 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
28161.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
28166.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
跟我們之前在做浪梗地盤查的58527之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
28166.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
28168.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
那事實上已經解決了三分之二 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
28168.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
28174.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
我講的三分之二就是在第一次非督公告之前的所有的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
28174.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
28179.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
都可以用那個更正編締的方式去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
28179.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
28181.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
那現在要處理的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
28181.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
28184.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
民國75年到82年之間的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
28184.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
28188.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
那我們已經跟財政部國土署那邊有多次的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
28188.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
28191.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
那農業部會提一個專案計畫的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].start |
28191.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].end |
28195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].text |
去做有系統的去輔導他做那個變更編定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].start |
28195.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].end |
28198.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].text |
好謝謝因為那時候的農民他們並不知道是公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].start |
28198.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].end |
28202.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].text |
說他們原本跟做土地圖案就變成台大實驗嶺 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].start |
28202.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].end |
28204.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].text |
那最後的30秒是不是請院長這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].start |
28204.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].end |
28207.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].text |
是不是能夠支持剛才部長所說的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].start |
28207.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].end |
28211.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].text |
來讓他們這個82721之間農民能夠盡快的完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].start |
28211.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].end |
28213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].text |
這個土地的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].start |
28213.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].end |
28219.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].text |
農業部已經就委員事先所隨行關心的台大實驗嶺的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].start |
28219.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].end |
28221.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].text |
已經解開了他剛剛說報告的這個內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].start |
28221.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].end |
28224.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].text |
至於你還說後面有過去訴訟等等的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].start |
28224.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].end |
28227.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].text |
我想再請農業部我們必須來解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].start |
28227.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].end |
28229.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].text |
一般要解決的話就讓他能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].start |
28234.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].end |
28236.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].text |
好謝謝尤浩委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].start |
28236.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].end |
28238.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].text |
謝謝主任院長跟相關部會首長的備詢謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].start |
28239.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].end |
28240.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].start |
28243.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].end |
28244.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].start |
28245.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].end |
28248.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].text |
報告我們本日排定的質詢委員已經質詢完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].start |
28248.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].end |
28251.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].text |
謝謝主任院長、正副院長、各位部會首長的練習、答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].start |
28251.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].end |
28256.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].text |
10月13號星期二上午9點繼續進行施政報告質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].start |
28256.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].end |
28261.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].text |
今天非常感謝中和地區張志仁委員從頭到尾陪同我們參與今天的總質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].start |
28261.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].end |
28261.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].text |
先來休息 |