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完整會議 @ 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第26次全體委員會議
| Start Time | End Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:31:37,840 | 00:31:38,760 | 好 報告委員會 |
| 00:31:39,600 | 00:31:42,000 | 初期委員已足法定人數 現在開會 |
| 00:31:42,520 | 00:31:43,879 | 首先進行報告事項 |
| 00:31:44,580 | 00:31:46,580 | 請醫事人員宣讀上次會議事錄 |
| 00:31:49,520 | 00:31:54,020 | 立法院第十一屆第五會期 教育局文化委員會第25次選舉委員會議 |
| 00:31:54,320 | 00:31:54,920 | 議事錄 |
| 00:31:54,920 | 00:31:59,360 | 時間中華民國15年8月5日 上午9時1分至11時14分 |
| 00:31:59,900 | 00:32:01,800 | 地點本案清宣樓101會議室 |
| 00:32:01,800 | 00:32:03,700 | 初期委員吳佩儀委員等11人 |
| 00:32:03,940 | 00:32:05,840 | 請教委員林一景委員 |
| 00:32:06,040 | 00:32:08,080 | 內席委員鄭政權委員等5人 |
| 00:32:08,080 | 00:32:11,200 | 內席人員教育部部長鄭英耀 率同有關人員 |
| 00:32:11,440 | 00:32:13,280 | 主席五召集委員立法 |
| 00:32:13,889 | 00:32:14,590 | 報告事項 |
| 00:32:14,590 | 00:32:16,129 | 宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
| 00:32:16,129 | 00:32:17,570 | 決定議事錄確定 |
| 00:32:18,659 | 00:32:19,360 | 討論事項 |
| 00:32:19,360 | 00:32:25,899 | 一 繼續審查委員范雲等16人擬具大學法第七條條文修正草案案等11案 |
| 00:32:26,730 | 00:32:34,430 | 二 審查委員林建琪等23人擬具大學法第七條及第35條條文修正草案案等8案 |
| 00:32:34,730 | 00:32:35,330 | 決議 |
| 00:32:35,330 | 00:32:37,430 | 一 大體討論完畢 |
| 00:32:37,430 | 00:32:41,510 | 二 對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答复部分 |
| 00:32:41,770 | 00:32:43,970 | 請相關機關進述與書面答复 |
| 00:32:44,270 | 00:32:46,350 | 三 大學法相關修正草案 |
| 00:32:46,350 | 00:32:47,850 | 另定期繼續審查 |
| 00:32:47,850 | 00:32:48,510 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 00:32:52,970 | 00:32:53,930 | 好 請問各位委員 |
| 00:32:54,490 | 00:32:56,750 | 上次會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處 |
| 00:32:59,540 | 00:33:00,200 | 議事錄確定 |
| 00:33:01,660 | 00:33:03,720 | 本次會議議程繼續審查 |
| 00:33:04,500 | 00:33:11,720 | 委員廖偉祥等18人擬具學校衛生法第22條第23條之3條文修正草案 |
| 00:33:11,720 | 00:33:13,160 | 等50案 |
| 00:33:14,620 | 00:33:15,959 | 首先介紹在場委員 |
| 00:33:17,200 | 00:33:18,060 | 羅志祥委員 |
| 00:33:20,020 | 00:33:20,879 | 陳培育委員 |
| 00:33:22,010 | 00:33:22,870 | 陳秀芳委員 |
| 00:33:23,820 | 00:33:24,679 | 林一錦委員 |
| 00:33:25,460 | 00:33:26,320 | 吳立華委員 |
| 00:33:27,180 | 00:33:27,960 | 郭一新委員 |
| 00:33:30,180 | 00:33:30,840 | 柯志銘委員 |
| 00:33:33,500 | 00:33:35,500 | 首先介紹與會的官員 |
| 00:33:35,500 | 00:33:36,460 | 教育部部長 |
| 00:33:41,980 | 00:33:43,440 | 政務市長張廖萬堅 |
| 00:33:45,810 | 00:33:49,950 | 衛生福利部國民健康署副署長林立儒 |
| 00:33:52,120 | 00:33:54,379 | 環境部大器環境師 |
| 00:33:55,040 | 00:33:56,020 | 檢認研究員 |
| 00:33:56,570 | 00:33:57,830 | 游志淵 |
| 00:34:01,300 | 00:34:04,320 | 農業部農糧署副署長黃昭新 |
| 00:34:07,580 | 00:34:10,639 | 經濟部國際貿易署代理科長林曉琳 |
| 00:34:13,820 | 00:34:15,600 | 行政院人事總處 |
| 00:34:17,380 | 00:34:18,760 | 行政總處 |
| 00:34:20,159 | 00:34:21,940 | 主編 任立儒 |
| 00:34:22,920 | 00:34:24,380 | 專門委員 紀嘉霖 |
| 00:34:25,949 | 00:34:27,409 | 行政院主計總處 |
| 00:34:28,960 | 00:34:30,320 | 公務預算處 |
| 00:34:30,320 | 00:34:31,520 | 專門委員 王謙凱 |
| 00:34:42,320 | 00:34:44,340 | 起立 Domesticated |
| 00:34:44,080 | 00:34:47,279 | 機關代表請參與名單不再主力介紹並列入公報紀錄 |
| 00:34:48,350 | 00:34:50,350 | 請問委員是否要提案說明 |
| 00:34:59,310 | 00:35:00,310 | 我們是不是請 |
| 00:35:01,190 | 00:35:03,190 | 羅志祥委員幫我代理主席 |
| 00:35:25,180 | 00:35:27,180 | 請多庭委員提案說明 |
| 00:35:32,630 | 00:35:36,630 | 學校衛生法第16條及第17條條文修正草案 |
| 00:35:36,630 | 00:35:39,630 | 今年我們看到青少年自殺 |
| 00:35:39,630 | 00:35:44,630 | 自傷心理的困擾因素事件的頻傳 |
| 00:35:44,630 | 00:35:50,630 | 顯示學生在學習的壓力人際的關係家庭的互動網路的使用 |
| 00:35:50,630 | 00:35:54,630 | 自我認同以及生涯發展的各個面向 |
| 00:35:54,630 | 00:35:58,630 | 已經面臨到多重心理健康的風險 |
| 00:35:59,630 | 00:36:04,630 | 心理健康問題如果不能夠及早的來辨識 |
| 00:36:04,630 | 00:36:08,630 | 適時的介入妥善的支持不僅影響整個學生的學習 |
| 00:36:08,630 | 00:36:11,630 | 生活的適應人際的發展 |
| 00:36:11,630 | 00:36:14,630 | 嚴重更可能危及生命的安全 |
| 00:36:14,630 | 00:36:17,630 | 學校為了學生在家庭 |
| 00:36:19,100 | 00:36:23,100 | 以外算是最常生活在這個 |
| 00:36:24,580 | 00:36:27,580 | 所有的狀況都在校園裡面 |
| 00:36:28,080 | 00:36:32,080 | 長時間的生活學習同儕的互動 |
| 00:36:32,400 | 00:36:34,400 | 這就是他們的場域 |
| 00:36:34,290 | 00:36:38,290 | 除因提供個別的輔導還有危機處於外 |
| 00:36:38,290 | 00:36:42,290 | 我們更應該透過系統性普及性的教育 |
| 00:36:42,290 | 00:36:46,290 | 培養全體學生的來認識情緒 |
| 00:36:46,990 | 00:36:49,990 | 覺察壓力調適身心 |
| 00:36:50,220 | 00:36:51,220 | 尊重差異 |
| 00:36:51,900 | 00:36:54,900 | 以及尋求協助還有支持他人的能力 |
| 00:36:54,900 | 00:36:58,900 | 所以學校衛生法第16條第17條條文修正草案 |
| 00:36:58,900 | 00:37:03,900 | 明定將心理健康教育納入高級中等以下 |
| 00:37:03,900 | 00:37:07,900 | 學校之健康相關的課程以確保 |
| 00:37:09,120 | 00:37:16,120 | 學生均能夠獲得基本、適齡且具系統性的心理健康教育 |
| 00:37:16,440 | 00:37:21,440 | 並為加強強化整個教師心理健康的知能 |
| 00:37:21,440 | 00:37:29,440 | 增進其辨別所有心理健康教育輔導工作所需的專業能力 |
| 00:37:29,440 | 00:37:35,440 | 明定主管機關要視學校得視察實際的需要 |
| 00:37:35,440 | 00:37:40,440 | 建送教師參加心理健康教育的相關課程 |
| 00:37:40,440 | 00:37:42,440 | 以上是我個人的提案之一 |
| 00:37:42,440 | 00:37:45,440 | 也有許多待會我的提案 |
| 00:37:45,440 | 00:37:47,440 | 也希望能夠透過待會的討論 |
| 00:37:47,440 | 00:37:53,440 | 跟所有的委員共聚我們的一些相關的共識 |
| 00:37:53,440 | 00:38:00,440 | 來讓我們的孩子能夠在整個校園的生活能夠更加的圓滿 |
| 00:38:01,650 | 00:38:02,150 | 以上 |
| 00:38:15,550 | 00:38:17,050 | 接下來請科志任委員 |
| 00:38:20,780 | 00:38:23,780 | 我繼續羅廷瑋召委的一個說法 |
| 00:38:23,780 | 00:38:27,780 | 我也是提出第16條跟第17條的修正案 |
| 00:38:27,780 | 00:38:32,280 | 就是有關於校園心理健康教育跟老師的一個進修 |
| 00:38:32,280 | 00:38:38,780 | 我想目前衛福部已經雖然提出了輕壯世代心理健康支持的方案 |
| 00:38:38,780 | 00:38:40,280 | 但是我必須要說 |
| 00:38:40,280 | 00:38:44,780 | 這完全都是屬於事後求助跟資商的一個機制 |
| 00:38:44,780 | 00:38:49,280 | 所以我們認為能夠把心理健康的教育融入衛生教育的課程 |
| 00:38:49,280 | 00:38:52,280 | 很重要的這成如剛剛羅召委所提到的 |
| 00:38:52,280 | 00:38:56,780 | 真的在整個過程當中能夠讓他建立所謂的自我察覺 |
| 00:38:56,780 | 00:38:59,780 | 還有早期的這個發現的預防機制 |
| 00:38:59,780 | 00:39:02,780 | 他是完全可以減輕這個後端 |
| 00:39:02,780 | 00:39:06,280 | 我們對高風險輔導跟社會安全網的一個負擔 |
| 00:39:06,280 | 00:39:08,780 | 所以我們才建議必須要把它納入 |
| 00:39:08,780 | 00:39:10,780 | 而且對於老師本身 |
| 00:39:10,780 | 00:39:14,280 | 另外一個方面我們講老師本身就有研習的課程 |
| 00:39:14,280 | 00:39:17,780 | 我個人認為是完全不需要增加額外負擔或支出 |
| 00:39:18,280 | 00:39:23,280 | 就是修法就是將心理健康納入現行健康相關的課程 |
| 00:39:23,280 | 00:39:26,280 | 完全不需要增加經費的支出 |
| 00:39:26,280 | 00:39:31,780 | 我覺得這對於行政跟教學端來說的執行比例應該是比較有效能的 |
| 00:39:31,780 | 00:39:38,280 | 而且我也認為精進教師的輔導知能不應該是一種強制性的一個負擔 |
| 00:39:38,280 | 00:39:43,280 | 所以我們希望這個修法是採用得勢實際需要建授 |
| 00:39:43,280 | 00:39:46,280 | 給予我們這樣子的主管機關跟學校一個彈性 |
| 00:39:46,780 | 00:39:49,780 | 那我想結合現行教師研習的時速 |
| 00:39:49,780 | 00:39:53,780 | 提升第一線老師識別高風險個案的一個能力 |
| 00:39:53,780 | 00:39:57,780 | 對於提升老師的心理健康是絕對有正面的效益的 |
| 00:39:57,780 | 00:40:01,780 | 所以懇請我們在第16條跟第17條的時候 |
| 00:40:01,780 | 00:40:04,780 | 能夠考量我們本席剛剛所提到的一個建議 |
| 00:40:04,780 | 00:40:06,780 | 謝謝 |
| 00:40:06,210 | 00:40:08,210 | 好謝謝柯市委員 |
| 00:40:08,210 | 00:40:10,210 | 接下來我們邀請 |
| 00:40:09,580 | 00:40:12,080 | 羅志祥委員 |
| 00:40:16,900 | 00:40:19,900 | 根據教育部的校安同胞 |
| 00:40:19,900 | 00:40:26,900 | 113年學生自殺自傷達2萬271人次 |
| 00:40:26,900 | 00:40:32,900 | 112年是1萬5196人次 |
| 00:40:32,900 | 00:40:36,900 | 那111年是1萬1869人次 |
| 00:40:36,900 | 00:40:40,900 | 不過兩年之間就幾乎增加了一倍 |
| 00:40:41,400 | 00:40:47,400 | 如果說是用106年的1652人次相較成長了12.3倍 |
| 00:40:47,400 | 00:40:52,400 | 113年學生自殺自傷2萬多人次 |
| 00:40:52,400 | 00:40:57,400 | 國中通報的是9046人次最多 |
| 00:40:57,400 | 00:41:00,400 | 高中5024人次 |
| 00:41:00,400 | 00:41:06,400 | 由此可以看出青少年的學生自殺自傷的問題是多麼的嚴重 |
| 00:41:06,900 | 00:41:11,900 | 如果再對照衛福部的自殺通報人次統計資料 |
| 00:41:11,900 | 00:41:16,900 | 104年14歲以下是379人次 |
| 00:41:16,900 | 00:41:21,900 | 15到24歲是4389人次 |
| 00:41:21,900 | 00:41:27,900 | 到113年14歲以下暴增為3999人次 |
| 00:41:27,900 | 00:41:33,900 | 那15到24歲是暴增為1萬4547人次 |
| 00:41:34,400 | 00:41:40,400 | 這都顯示我們青少年心理健康風險急劇的惡化跟擴散 |
| 00:41:40,400 | 00:41:44,400 | 那青少年自殺率攀升已經成為 |
| 00:41:44,400 | 00:41:47,400 | 台灣青少年的第二大死因 |
| 00:41:47,400 | 00:41:49,400 | 僅次於事故傷害 |
| 00:41:49,400 | 00:41:52,400 | 這代表年輕世代正在痛苦當中掙扎 |
| 00:41:52,400 | 00:41:54,400 | 那尤其在少子化下 |
| 00:41:54,400 | 00:42:01,400 | 10年來台灣各級學校的學生總數減少63萬人 |
| 00:42:01,900 | 00:42:04,900 | 但是自殺通報數卻大幅增加 |
| 00:42:04,900 | 00:42:06,900 | 等於是加倍中的加倍 |
| 00:42:06,900 | 00:42:09,900 | 那更可顯現他問題的嚴重性 |
| 00:42:09,900 | 00:42:11,400 | 根據兒福聯盟發布的 |
| 00:42:11,400 | 00:42:14,900 | 2025年台灣青少年心理健康調查 |
| 00:42:14,900 | 00:42:17,900 | 超過兩成青少年陳福憲自殺念頭 |
| 00:42:17,900 | 00:42:19,900 | 那雖然多數學生認同 |
| 00:42:19,900 | 00:42:22,900 | 心理健康專業協助的重要跟效果 |
| 00:42:22,900 | 00:42:25,900 | 還是有四成在面臨心理困擾時 |
| 00:42:25,900 | 00:42:27,900 | 選擇沉默不求助 |
| 00:42:27,900 | 00:42:29,900 | 就算開口 |
| 00:42:29,710 | 00:42:31,710 | 也更傾向找AI親屬 |
| 00:42:31,710 | 00:42:34,210 | 那不是來尋求專業的支持 |
| 00:42:34,210 | 00:42:37,210 | 這些都是必須正視的問題 |
| 00:42:37,210 | 00:42:42,210 | 那雖然我們在之前修學生輔導法 |
| 00:42:42,210 | 00:42:44,210 | 征補校園中的專業輔導能力 |
| 00:42:44,210 | 00:42:47,210 | 但若心理問題的苦 |
| 00:42:47,210 | 00:42:49,210 | 學生沒有被發現的話 |
| 00:42:49,210 | 00:42:52,210 | 也沒有主動求助輔導人員 |
| 00:42:52,210 | 00:42:53,210 | 那就難以獲得幫助 |
| 00:42:53,210 | 00:42:56,210 | 所以這次學生衛生法的修正 |
| 00:42:56,210 | 00:42:59,210 | 本席提出將心理健康教育 |
| 00:42:59,830 | 00:43:02,830 | 明文納入學校健康相關課程 |
| 00:43:03,440 | 00:43:06,440 | 來協助學生面對壓力跟調節情緒 |
| 00:43:06,440 | 00:43:09,440 | 也希望能夠建立自我覺察能力 |
| 00:43:09,440 | 00:43:10,940 | 尋求協助的觀念 |
| 00:43:10,940 | 00:43:13,440 | 能夠讓有情緒困擾的學生 |
| 00:43:13,440 | 00:43:14,940 | 可以及時獲得支持 |
| 00:43:14,940 | 00:43:15,440 | 以上謝謝 |
| 00:43:16,790 | 00:43:17,790 | 好謝謝羅志強委員 |
| 00:43:18,490 | 00:43:20,490 | 本案已於115年3月25日 |
| 00:43:20,490 | 00:43:21,490 | 詢答完畢 |
| 00:43:21,490 | 00:43:24,490 | 本次新增委員葛如君等提案13案 |
| 00:43:24,490 | 00:43:25,490 | 不再進行詢答 |
| 00:43:25,490 | 00:43:27,490 | 並入本次的共同審查 |
| 00:43:27,490 | 00:43:29,490 | 繼續進行主調審查 |
| 00:43:29,490 | 00:43:31,490 | 請醫師人員宣讀提案條文 |
| 00:43:31,490 | 00:43:32,490 | 並進行討論與協商 |
| 00:43:32,490 | 00:43:33,490 | 討論時 |
| 00:43:33,490 | 00:43:36,490 | 如有新增修正動議請一併宣讀 |
| 00:43:36,490 | 00:43:39,490 | 討論時請參閱教育部提供的書面資料 |
| 00:43:39,490 | 00:43:40,490 | 並列入公報記錄 |
| 00:43:40,490 | 00:43:42,490 | 請宣讀 |
| 00:43:42,490 | 00:43:44,490 | 請機關代表到協商桌 |
| 00:43:52,780 | 00:43:55,780 | 學校衛生法部分條文修正草案 |
| 00:43:55,780 | 00:43:56,780 | 第五條 |
| 00:43:56,780 | 00:43:58,780 | 委員會委履等提案 |
| 00:43:58,780 | 00:44:00,780 | 第一項於零聘後甄定 |
| 00:44:00,780 | 00:44:03,780 | 具醫藥公衛營養等專業之 |
| 00:44:03,780 | 00:44:04,780 | 第一款至第三款 |
| 00:44:04,780 | 00:44:07,780 | 第二款及第七款 |
| 00:44:07,780 | 00:44:09,780 | 與學校衛生後均甄定及營養 |
| 00:44:09,780 | 00:44:11,780 | 甄定第五款 |
| 00:44:12,930 | 00:44:17,930 | 提供學校營養服務之規劃及研發事項之諮詢指導意見 |
| 00:44:17,930 | 00:44:19,930 | 第五款至第七款 |
| 00:44:19,930 | 00:44:21,930 | 第六款至第八款 |
| 00:44:21,930 | 00:44:22,930 | 其餘未修正 |
| 00:44:23,110 | 00:44:25,110 | 委員招架卷等提案 |
| 00:44:25,110 | 00:44:29,110 | 第一項除於營養後甄定心理健康外 |
| 00:44:29,110 | 00:44:32,110 | 其餘均同委員萬美齡等提案 |
| 00:44:32,110 | 00:44:33,110 | 第一項 |
| 00:44:33,740 | 00:44:35,740 | 現在進行學校衛生法部分條文 |
| 00:44:35,740 | 00:44:37,740 | 相關修正草案逐條審查 |
| 00:44:38,350 | 00:44:41,350 | 第五條條文修正有委員萬美齡等28人 |
| 00:44:41,350 | 00:44:45,350 | 及委員張家俊等18人等兩個提案 |
| 00:44:54,550 | 00:44:56,550 | 有關於第五條 |
| 00:44:56,550 | 00:44:58,550 | 有委員要發言嗎 |
| 00:45:13,550 | 00:45:16,550 | 我們請螢幕先顯示 |
| 00:45:17,310 | 00:45:19,310 | 有關於 |
| 00:45:19,300 | 00:45:21,300 | 教育部建議文字 |
| 00:45:22,960 | 00:45:24,960 | 委員會等提案甄定第三項 |
| 00:45:25,580 | 00:45:27,580 | 跟專委報告 |
| 00:45:27,580 | 00:45:28,580 | 還有各位委員報告 |
| 00:45:28,580 | 00:45:30,580 | 我是教育部中規師 |
| 00:45:30,580 | 00:45:32,580 | 司長陳書彥 |
| 00:45:32,580 | 00:45:34,580 | 有關第五條的部分 |
| 00:45:34,580 | 00:45:36,580 | 因為我們原條文 |
| 00:45:36,580 | 00:45:40,580 | 是只有寫學者專家團體及相關機關代表 |
| 00:45:40,580 | 00:45:43,580 | 為了讓我們的這些委員 |
| 00:45:43,580 | 00:45:45,580 | 能夠更明確他的專業領域 |
| 00:45:45,580 | 00:45:47,580 | 我們同意 |
| 00:45:47,840 | 00:45:49,840 | 另外 |
| 00:45:49,840 | 00:45:51,840 | 有提到要增列 |
| 00:45:51,840 | 00:45:53,840 | 萬美齡委員所提的 |
| 00:45:53,840 | 00:45:55,840 | 具醫藥公衛營養等專業領域 |
| 00:45:55,840 | 00:45:57,840 | 另外 |
| 00:45:57,840 | 00:45:59,840 | 張家俊委員有提到 |
| 00:45:59,840 | 00:46:01,840 | 要增列心理健康服務諮詢的部分 |
| 00:46:01,840 | 00:46:05,840 | 因為在學校輔導法裡面 |
| 00:46:05,840 | 00:46:07,840 | 也有相關的諮詢會 |
| 00:46:07,840 | 00:46:09,840 | 所以我們就建議 |
| 00:46:13,830 | 00:46:17,830 | 這個部分就先不增列 |
| 00:46:17,830 | 00:46:19,830 | 以上說明 |
| 00:46:20,520 | 00:46:23,520 | 好第五條完整的建議文字 |
| 00:46:23,520 | 00:46:25,520 | 是不是直接打在螢幕上讓大家可以看一下 |
| 00:46:25,520 | 00:46:27,520 | 好不好就是這樣子嗎 |
| 00:46:32,640 | 00:46:33,640 | 嗯 |
| 00:46:34,350 | 00:46:35,350 | 好來請 |
| 00:46:36,340 | 00:46:38,340 | 醫次人員先讀一下 |
| 00:46:39,750 | 00:46:41,750 | 第五條 |
| 00:46:45,920 | 00:46:47,920 | 第五條 |
| 00:47:15,920 | 00:47:17,920 | 好 |
| 00:47:39,920 | 00:47:40,920 | 好猶委員有意見嗎 |
| 00:47:44,390 | 00:47:45,910 | 剛剛有唸錯的部分嗎 |
| 00:47:47,730 | 00:47:52,450 | 好 我們各級主管機關因零選聚一要 |
| 00:47:54,480 | 00:47:54,980 | 營養 |
| 00:47:55,500 | 00:47:57,020 | 等專業知學者 |
| 00:47:57,560 | 00:47:58,060 | 專家 |
| 00:47:58,870 | 00:47:59,370 | 團體 |
| 00:48:01,540 | 00:48:02,340 | 及相關 |
| 00:48:03,060 | 00:48:06,259 | 機關代表組成學校衛生委員會 |
| 00:48:07,010 | 00:48:08,010 | 其任務如下 |
| 00:48:13,890 | 00:48:16,529 | 我看一下那個教育部他裡面的修正條文 |
| 00:48:16,529 | 00:48:18,730 | 對於張家俊委員所提到的 |
| 00:48:18,730 | 00:48:21,410 | 他還加入了心理健康等專業 |
| 00:48:21,410 | 00:48:24,330 | 我們就是怕他又掛一漏萬 |
| 00:48:24,330 | 00:48:26,890 | 那學校衛生裡面裡面的解釋是說 |
| 00:48:26,890 | 00:48:30,810 | 已經在學校學生輔導法第五條中明規定 |
| 00:48:30,810 | 00:48:33,730 | 可是我們今天所討論的是學這個 |
| 00:48:33,730 | 00:48:36,850 | 我們今天所討論的是我們的學校衛生法 |
| 00:48:36,850 | 00:48:39,009 | 那有在學生輔導法規定 |
| 00:48:39,009 | 00:48:40,850 | 跟在學校衛生法規定 |
| 00:48:40,850 | 00:48:42,370 | 為什麼會有重複 |
| 00:48:42,410 | 00:48:45,850 | 放入一個所謂的心理健康 |
| 00:48:45,850 | 00:48:47,490 | 請問問題在哪裡 |
| 00:48:47,490 | 00:48:49,569 | 這是兩個不同的法 |
| 00:48:49,569 | 00:48:50,730 | 為什麼 |
| 00:48:50,730 | 00:48:51,730 | 而且學校衛生法 |
| 00:48:51,730 | 00:48:53,089 | 我們剛剛所提到第16條 |
| 00:48:53,089 | 00:48:58,049 | 第17條本身就是有關心理健康的相關的一些的部分 |
| 00:48:58,049 | 00:49:01,170 | 他反而在對於公衛營養這個部分裡面 |
| 00:49:01,170 | 00:49:05,490 | 心理健康其實也相當的有他具有他的部分 |
| 00:49:05,490 | 00:49:07,450 | 可以加入應該沒什麼問題了 |
| 00:49:07,450 | 00:49:07,950 | 是 |
| 00:49:07,950 | 00:49:08,450 | 好 |
| 00:49:08,450 | 00:49:09,810 | 請參賽 |
| 00:49:09,810 | 00:49:10,490 | 張家俊 |
| 00:49:11,230 | 00:49:12,870 | 委員的版本 |
| 00:49:13,560 | 00:49:14,120 | 在 |
| 00:49:14,940 | 00:49:15,500 | 營養 |
| 00:49:16,470 | 00:49:16,990 | 後面 |
| 00:49:16,990 | 00:49:17,549 | 燉號 |
| 00:49:17,549 | 00:49:18,870 | 心理健康 |
| 00:49:19,550 | 00:49:21,150 | 專業知學者 |
| 00:49:22,540 | 00:49:23,660 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:49:23,660 | 00:49:24,160 | 好 |
| 00:49:24,160 | 00:49:25,180 | 如果沒有意見的話 |
| 00:49:25,180 | 00:49:26,860 | 我們是不是就修正通過 |
| 00:49:27,980 | 00:49:28,740 | 好修正通過 |
| 00:49:28,740 | 00:49:29,420 | 謝謝 |
| 00:49:31,200 | 00:49:32,040 | 好業主委員 |
| 00:49:32,650 | 00:49:34,690 | 就是因為現在有很多 |
| 00:49:34,690 | 00:49:35,570 | 地方政府 |
| 00:49:35,570 | 00:49:39,450 | 就沒有還沒有依照規定成立這個學校衛生委員會 |
| 00:49:39,450 | 00:49:40,130 | 然後 |
| 00:49:40,130 | 00:49:40,970 | 然後 |
| 00:49:40,970 | 00:49:42,170 | 是不是可以 |
| 00:49:42,170 | 00:49:46,370 | 直接要求就是委員會設置由各主管機關定制一個具體的辦法 |
| 00:49:46,370 | 00:49:47,770 | 然後讓大家來遵循 |
| 00:49:49,050 | 00:49:50,090 | 問一下教育部的意見 |
| 00:49:56,420 | 00:50:00,660 | 這邊的話本來就已經有各級主管機關 |
| 00:50:00,660 | 00:50:06,060 | 因聘聘然後成立學校衛生委員會 |
| 00:50:06,060 | 00:50:06,420 | 這樣 |
| 00:50:06,420 | 00:50:08,420 | 其實他這裡已經已經有了 |
| 00:50:08,420 | 00:50:08,980 | 對 |
| 00:50:08,980 | 00:50:10,540 | 而且這裡是因 |
| 00:50:10,540 | 00:50:11,580 | 這裡是因 |
| 00:50:11,580 | 00:50:12,860 | 所以我想應該 |
| 00:50:12,860 | 00:50:14,260 | 好 |
| 00:50:14,260 | 00:50:15,380 | 那教育部的回應 |
| 00:50:15,380 | 00:50:16,780 | 就是說這邊有寫因 |
| 00:50:16,780 | 00:50:20,420 | 所以應該可以照顧到葉元之委員的一個建議 |
| 00:50:20,420 | 00:50:23,900 | 好那非常感謝葉元之委員這樣專業的一個建議 |
| 00:50:23,900 | 00:50:25,900 | 那我想這邊給你做一個回覆 |
| 00:50:25,900 | 00:50:28,980 | 我們是不是就在這一條直接修正通過 |
| 00:50:30,520 | 00:50:31,200 | OK |
| 00:50:31,200 | 00:50:31,800 | 修正通過 |
| 00:50:33,150 | 00:50:34,750 | 第六條條文修正 |
| 00:50:34,750 | 00:50:38,070 | 有委員黃捷等17人等17個提案 |
| 00:50:39,290 | 00:50:40,450 | 請問委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:50:41,640 | 00:50:42,680 | 郭行委員 |
| 00:50:42,680 | 00:50:43,400 | 李警委員 |
| 00:50:47,470 | 00:50:48,110 | 好 |
| 00:50:48,110 | 00:50:50,750 | 第六條我有提我自己的版本 |
| 00:50:50,750 | 00:50:52,750 | 就是我在這個條文之後 |
| 00:50:52,750 | 00:50:54,910 | 我有特別講要各級主管機關 |
| 00:50:54,910 | 00:51:01,230 | 因補助學校備至多元生理用品免費提供有需求之學生取用 |
| 00:51:01,230 | 00:51:07,390 | 學校因針對多元生理用品及相關健康知識進行宣導教育 |
| 00:51:07,390 | 00:51:10,230 | 那最主要是因為之前其實有一些學生團體 |
| 00:51:10,230 | 00:51:12,870 | 他有特別來到我們辦公室拜會 |
| 00:51:12,870 | 00:51:15,069 | 那今年的這個3月25號 |
| 00:51:15,070 | 00:51:20,350 | 其實我也針對這個月經平權的問題有向教育部來做質詢 |
| 00:51:20,350 | 00:51:23,430 | 那我想學生在學校如果突然碰到這個生理期 |
| 00:51:23,430 | 00:51:26,950 | 其實往往會產生很多的焦慮跟不安 |
| 00:51:26,950 | 00:51:28,910 | 這個對於弱勢學生來講 |
| 00:51:28,910 | 00:51:32,110 | 其實生理用品也是一個不小的一個負擔 |
| 00:51:32,110 | 00:51:40,190 | 那雖然我們是從112年開始有推動這個定點的一個提供多元生理用品的一個這樣子的一個項目 |
| 00:51:40,190 | 00:51:43,070 | 但是我們還是希望能夠透過這次的這個修法 |
| 00:51:43,110 | 00:51:45,710 | 是不是可以給予比較明確的一個法源 |
| 00:51:45,710 | 00:51:51,230 | 那讓這個就是由主管機關來補助學校設置這個多元生理用品 |
| 00:51:51,230 | 00:51:53,830 | 那免費提供給真的需要的一個學生 |
| 00:51:53,830 | 00:51:58,990 | 讓學生在有需求的時候其實可以安心便利的這個取得 |
| 00:51:58,990 | 00:52:02,190 | 那這是主要我這一條的這個修正 |
| 00:52:02,190 | 00:52:05,390 | 那也希望這個教育部可以支持 |
| 00:52:05,390 | 00:52:09,070 | 那真的落實這個學校的月經平權 |
| 00:52:09,070 | 00:52:11,110 | 還有這個性別友好的一個環境 |
| 00:52:11,110 | 00:52:11,670 | 好 以上 |
| 00:52:15,960 | 00:52:16,600 | 理解委員 |
| 00:52:20,660 | 00:52:27,300 | 這一條主要是有關於學校提供免費多元生理用品 |
| 00:52:27,300 | 00:52:30,500 | 因為本席在上屆跟我們同黨的委員們 |
| 00:52:30,500 | 00:52:32,420 | 我們就很大力在倡議 |
| 00:52:32,420 | 00:52:35,780 | 因為部分的學生因為經濟或家庭因素 |
| 00:52:35,780 | 00:52:39,500 | 那購買生理用品對他們來講是有負擔的 |
| 00:52:39,500 | 00:52:44,260 | 那因此我們就會建議校園應該提供免費的這個生理用品 |
| 00:52:44,260 | 00:52:47,420 | 那修法部也從善如流的實施 |
| 00:52:47,420 | 00:52:49,660 | 那實施這三年下來 |
| 00:52:49,700 | 00:52:52,020 | 那公民團體有調查 |
| 00:52:52,020 | 00:52:56,020 | 那還是有部分的學校的生理用品取用不便 |
| 00:52:56,020 | 00:52:59,180 | 或者是宣導不足或品項太單一 |
| 00:52:59,180 | 00:53:04,779 | 那之前我在質詢預算提案的時候就有請教務部要改進 |
| 00:53:04,779 | 00:53:08,220 | 那教務部其實也提出不少的精進的作為 |
| 00:53:08,220 | 00:53:14,740 | 可是我覺得最根本的方法還是把備制多元生理用品寫進法條例 |
| 00:53:14,740 | 00:53:16,299 | 讓它有法源依據 |
| 00:53:16,340 | 00:53:20,020 | 那這樣可以強化各級學校在這方面的作為 |
| 00:53:20,020 | 00:53:24,460 | 那另外我覺得雖然現在衛生教育已經做得越來越好 |
| 00:53:24,460 | 00:53:30,740 | 可是部分教職員工還是會對於月經存在偏差的觀念 |
| 00:53:30,740 | 00:53:35,940 | 所以我也建議將月經相關的知識宣導教育 |
| 00:53:35,940 | 00:53:41,420 | 包括生理常識、月經知識跟心理調適、污名破除等等 |
| 00:53:41,420 | 00:53:44,780 | 把它一起寫進這個學校衛生法裡面 |
| 00:53:44,780 | 00:53:49,580 | 那希望能深化這個學習跟互相尊重跟同理 |
| 00:53:49,580 | 00:53:50,100 | 以上 |
| 00:53:54,090 | 00:53:54,410 | 好 |
| 00:53:58,140 | 00:53:58,819 | 成就保衛 |
| 00:54:01,560 | 00:54:02,360 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:54:03,360 | 00:54:07,320 | 我在這邊也呼應依靜委員剛才的發言 |
| 00:54:07,320 | 00:54:13,880 | 那教務部現在是已經訂有校園級部署場館提供多元生理用品指引 |
| 00:54:13,880 | 00:54:19,640 | 以及也有各級學校健康中心設施及設備基準第九點 |
| 00:54:19,640 | 00:54:25,400 | 是明定多元生理用品是各級學校應該設置的項目 |
| 00:54:25,400 | 00:54:28,240 | 但是免費提供生理用品 |
| 00:54:28,279 | 00:54:30,759 | 其實在第十屆第六會期 |
| 00:54:30,759 | 00:54:32,839 | 我們民進黨委員一起提出的時候 |
| 00:54:32,839 | 00:54:35,799 | 那時候就已經其實就是希望說 |
| 00:54:35,799 | 00:54:38,399 | 我們各級學校必須要去重視 |
| 00:54:38,399 | 00:54:42,680 | 而且必須要很徹底的去執行這個相關的這個需求 |
| 00:54:42,680 | 00:54:43,000 | 那 |
| 00:54:44,029 | 00:54:47,990 | 這個在當時我們提到提出這個臨時提案的時候 |
| 00:54:47,990 | 00:54:52,629 | 我們就要求教育部要研議各級學校要免費提供生理用品 |
| 00:54:52,629 | 00:54:53,430 | 那教育部呢 |
| 00:54:53,430 | 00:54:58,390 | 在一百一十二學年度開始就辦理相關的這樣的計畫 |
| 00:54:58,390 | 00:55:01,390 | 但是公民團體在二零二四年進行相關的調查 |
| 00:55:01,390 | 00:55:04,830 | 有高達百分之七十點三百分比的學生 |
| 00:55:04,830 | 00:55:08,390 | 他沒有使用沒有拿取過這個生理用品 |
| 00:55:08,390 | 00:55:12,470 | 那原因裡面有包含就是有百分之二十點七的學生呢 |
| 00:55:12,470 | 00:55:13,950 | 他不知道去哪裡拿 |
| 00:55:13,990 | 00:55:16,350 | 那有十二點五百分比的學生呢 |
| 00:55:16,350 | 00:55:18,549 | 不知道教育部有這個計畫 |
| 00:55:18,549 | 00:55:20,509 | 那有百分之七點一的學生呢 |
| 00:55:20,509 | 00:55:22,950 | 則是認為沒有合適的品項 |
| 00:55:22,950 | 00:55:24,069 | 所以希望說 |
| 00:55:24,069 | 00:55:27,870 | 教育部你們辦理相關的計畫也要做好相關的宣導 |
| 00:55:27,870 | 00:55:32,230 | 甚至剛才已經委員所提到了關於這個月經知識的宣導 |
| 00:55:32,230 | 00:55:32,990 | 這個部分呢 |
| 00:55:32,990 | 00:55:36,990 | 也希望說我們在相關的計畫的執行 |
| 00:55:36,990 | 00:55:39,470 | 能夠更徹底能夠更到位 |
| 00:55:39,470 | 00:55:39,790 | 那 |
| 00:55:40,529 | 00:55:41,450 | 這個部分呢 |
| 00:55:41,450 | 00:55:44,569 | 我也贊成說其實我們把它入法之後 |
| 00:55:44,569 | 00:55:49,009 | 我相信有這樣子的一個更高階的一個法源的依據 |
| 00:55:49,009 | 00:55:51,850 | 對於學校在推行相關的計畫 |
| 00:55:51,850 | 00:55:54,609 | 以及這個相關的宣導呢 |
| 00:55:54,609 | 00:55:57,049 | 可以到更到位 |
| 00:55:57,049 | 00:55:58,009 | 可以更周延 |
| 00:55:58,009 | 00:55:58,450 | 以上 |
| 00:56:01,010 | 00:56:01,690 | 再遵守委員 |
| 00:56:04,859 | 00:56:06,100 | 針對這一條呢 |
| 00:56:06,100 | 00:56:07,299 | 我再做一個說明 |
| 00:56:07,299 | 00:56:10,660 | 北黨有提出這樣的一個版本 |
| 00:56:10,660 | 00:56:17,700 | 那進一步的有明定中央年度預算責任 |
| 00:56:17,700 | 00:56:18,819 | 來實際呢 |
| 00:56:18,819 | 00:56:21,100 | 經期的一個需求 |
| 00:56:21,100 | 00:56:22,380 | 界定這個對象 |
| 00:56:22,380 | 00:56:25,420 | 還有納入業經健康教育 |
| 00:56:25,420 | 00:56:29,420 | 並授權能夠訂定提供管理 |
| 00:56:29,420 | 00:56:32,620 | 以及衛生維護的辦法 |
| 00:56:32,660 | 00:56:35,020 | 制度內容比較完整 |
| 00:56:35,020 | 00:56:36,900 | 在併案整合的時候呢 |
| 00:56:36,900 | 00:56:39,980 | 請以保留上述的一個要素 |
| 00:56:39,980 | 00:56:43,020 | 來確保政策得以長期 |
| 00:56:43,020 | 00:56:44,900 | 而且穩定 |
| 00:56:44,900 | 00:56:46,180 | 一致的一個執行 |
| 00:56:46,180 | 00:56:46,940 | 以上報告 |
| 00:56:50,160 | 00:56:50,839 | 我們是華為 |
| 00:56:53,230 | 00:56:54,590 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:56:54,590 | 00:56:56,110 | 那在這邊 |
| 00:56:56,110 | 00:56:58,270 | 我是理解教育部說 |
| 00:56:58,270 | 00:57:01,350 | 他希望把月經教育放在施行細則 |
| 00:57:01,350 | 00:57:03,190 | 那也特別肯定 |
| 00:57:03,190 | 00:57:07,150 | 現在部裡面已經有多元生理用品的計畫 |
| 00:57:07,150 | 00:57:09,150 | 但是我們是主張 |
| 00:57:09,150 | 00:57:11,310 | 現在不是有做就好 |
| 00:57:11,310 | 00:57:13,150 | 而是說希望確保 |
| 00:57:13,150 | 00:57:14,190 | 換了一個年度 |
| 00:57:14,190 | 00:57:15,510 | 換了一間學校 |
| 00:57:15,510 | 00:57:17,870 | 學生都可以拿得到 |
| 00:57:17,870 | 00:57:18,590 | 所以呢 |
| 00:57:18,590 | 00:57:19,630 | 在這個地方 |
| 00:57:19,630 | 00:57:20,910 | 我是希望把 |
| 00:57:20,910 | 00:57:22,270 | 我自己有版本 |
| 00:57:22,310 | 00:57:25,190 | 就是希望把最低保障寫清楚一點 |
| 00:57:25,190 | 00:57:27,030 | 就是多元免費 |
| 00:57:27,030 | 00:57:27,830 | 有需求 |
| 00:57:27,830 | 00:57:29,030 | 不利處境 |
| 00:57:29,030 | 00:57:30,270 | 多管道 |
| 00:57:30,270 | 00:57:31,790 | 而且月經教育呢 |
| 00:57:31,790 | 00:57:34,430 | 是所有的性別都要學的 |
| 00:57:34,430 | 00:57:36,150 | 所以如果教育部認為說 |
| 00:57:36,150 | 00:57:38,470 | 魔法不宜寫太細 |
| 00:57:38,470 | 00:57:40,509 | 那我們也願意討論文字 |
| 00:57:40,509 | 00:57:42,750 | 那看看能不能夠修完 |
| 00:57:42,750 | 00:57:45,310 | 不要說修完了就只剩下宣示 |
| 00:57:45,310 | 00:57:46,190 | 所以這個地方 |
| 00:57:46,190 | 00:57:49,350 | 我們也有提了附帶決議 |
| 00:57:49,350 | 00:57:51,070 | 那基本上是希望說 |
| 00:57:51,070 | 00:57:52,070 | 如果不入魔法 |
| 00:57:52,070 | 00:57:54,150 | 那教育部什麼時候可以完成 |
| 00:57:54,150 | 00:57:55,750 | 施行細則第14條 |
| 00:57:55,750 | 00:57:57,830 | 第一項第一款的修正 |
| 00:57:57,830 | 00:58:00,710 | 那能不能夠在這一次修法公布之後的 |
| 00:58:00,710 | 00:58:03,190 | 一個期限之內完成 |
| 00:58:03,190 | 00:58:04,390 | 那另外就是教育部 |
| 00:58:04,390 | 00:58:06,710 | 有沒有同意生理用品的政策 |
| 00:58:06,710 | 00:58:10,270 | 不可以只有針對急需或經濟弱勢 |
| 00:58:10,270 | 00:58:12,710 | 應該要保留有需求的學生 |
| 00:58:12,710 | 00:58:15,510 | 就是一致性的隱私跟尊嚴 |
| 00:58:15,510 | 00:58:16,310 | 那另外 |
| 00:58:16,310 | 00:58:18,950 | 我還關心元香跟片香學校的補給 |
| 00:58:18,950 | 00:58:19,750 | 存放 |
| 00:58:19,750 | 00:58:22,190 | 對換的通路采購的成本 |
| 00:58:22,190 | 00:58:23,030 | 那教育部呢 |
| 00:58:23,030 | 00:58:25,590 | 是不是願意用專案來盤點 |
| 00:58:25,590 | 00:58:27,790 | 然後提出改善計畫 |
| 00:58:27,790 | 00:58:29,310 | 那另外還有提出附帶決議 |
| 00:58:29,310 | 00:58:29,790 | 謝謝 |
| 00:58:34,450 | 00:58:34,689 | 好 |
| 00:58:35,970 | 00:58:36,810 | 客人請收 |
| 00:58:40,480 | 00:58:42,840 | 我想對於女性的有關 |
| 00:58:42,840 | 00:58:44,480 | 不管是很細則性的 |
| 00:58:44,480 | 00:58:46,600 | 像生理用品的取得 |
| 00:58:46,600 | 00:58:49,360 | 還有包括在我們這個女性裡面 |
| 00:58:49,360 | 00:58:50,600 | 這個月經被污名化 |
| 00:58:50,600 | 00:58:53,240 | 我覺得這都是應該以正視聽 |
| 00:58:53,240 | 00:58:55,080 | 但是我還是想要回歸到 |
| 00:58:55,080 | 00:58:58,480 | 這是一個基本的這個衛生法 |
| 00:58:58,480 | 00:59:01,480 | 那衛生法裡面有沒有必要特別來去 |
| 00:59:01,480 | 00:59:03,720 | 把這一件事情放在法條上 |
| 00:59:03,720 | 00:59:04,720 | 我也同意 |
| 00:59:04,720 | 00:59:06,160 | 給予一個 |
| 00:59:06,160 | 00:59:06,920 | 未接 |
| 00:59:06,920 | 00:59:10,400 | 然後讓各級學校都能夠確實來遵行 |
| 00:59:10,760 | 00:59:12,960 | 那我們是不是可以有妥協的方法 |
| 00:59:12,960 | 00:59:15,640 | 因為教育部認為是應該維持原案 |
| 00:59:15,640 | 00:59:17,280 | 但是我覺得在維持原案裡面 |
| 00:59:17,280 | 00:59:19,680 | 恐怕會對於大家所關切的 |
| 00:59:19,680 | 00:59:21,840 | 是不是能夠立即給予 |
| 00:59:21,840 | 00:59:24,440 | 這些女性一個必要的一個措施 |
| 00:59:24,440 | 00:59:27,520 | 所以教育部可不可以研議在你們現有的 |
| 00:59:27,520 | 00:59:29,760 | 這個條文當中給一個更 |
| 00:59:29,760 | 00:59:31,080 | 更一個說法 |
| 00:59:31,080 | 00:59:33,280 | 然後把一個大家所提到的 |
| 00:59:33,280 | 00:59:35,520 | 包括設備自動販賣機 |
| 00:59:35,520 | 00:59:37,040 | 學生等等之類 |
| 00:59:37,040 | 00:59:38,400 | 大家認為比較細節的 |
| 00:59:38,440 | 00:59:39,920 | 就很如剛剛所提到的 |
| 00:59:39,920 | 00:59:42,040 | 放在施行細則當中 |
| 00:59:42,040 | 00:59:43,920 | 但是我個人認為教育部應該研擬 |
| 00:59:43,920 | 00:59:46,600 | 在你這地調條原有的條文當中 |
| 00:59:46,600 | 00:59:48,480 | 加入一項 |
| 00:59:48,480 | 00:59:49,960 | 讓大家更有信心 |
| 00:59:49,960 | 00:59:52,360 | 然後你才可以在你的施行細則裡面 |
| 00:59:52,360 | 00:59:54,040 | 是根據你的這個條文裡面的 |
| 00:59:54,040 | 00:59:56,040 | 某一個部分裡面再提出 |
| 00:59:56,040 | 00:59:57,080 | 我覺得這樣比較完整 |
| 00:59:57,080 | 00:59:58,880 | 否則你們就現有來說 |
| 00:59:58,880 | 01:00:01,440 | 你們只是負責規劃設計 |
| 01:00:01,440 | 01:00:02,520 | 推動學校衛生 |
| 01:00:02,520 | 01:00:04,000 | 然後你講的這些 |
| 01:00:04,000 | 01:00:06,520 | 這些什麼作為健康檢查什麼 |
| 01:00:06,520 | 01:00:07,920 | 你跟那個大家還是會覺得 |
| 01:00:07,960 | 01:00:09,480 | 你對於我們大家所關切 |
| 01:00:09,480 | 01:00:10,240 | 一次排開 |
| 01:00:10,240 | 01:00:12,560 | 一次對於女性所需要的部分 |
| 01:00:12,560 | 01:00:14,400 | 沒有在這些字詞當中 |
| 01:00:14,400 | 01:00:16,680 | 有特別去強調的 |
| 01:00:16,680 | 01:00:17,640 | 那你知道莫名其妙 |
| 01:00:17,640 | 01:00:18,400 | 在第六條裡面 |
| 01:00:18,400 | 01:00:19,760 | 又施行一個施行細則 |
| 01:00:19,760 | 01:00:21,360 | 然後講到有關於女性月經的 |
| 01:00:21,360 | 01:00:22,480 | 等等的防護 |
| 01:00:22,480 | 01:00:24,880 | 這樣子前後的一致性不夠 |
| 01:00:24,880 | 01:00:26,440 | 所以我覺得教育部應該在這個 |
| 01:00:26,440 | 01:00:28,440 | 原有的條文裡面再加入一兩個詞 |
| 01:00:28,440 | 01:00:29,520 | 但是我現在還沒有想到 |
| 01:00:29,520 | 01:00:31,160 | 你們應該去研議一下 |
| 01:00:31,160 | 01:00:33,120 | 所以建議這一條應該稍微保留 |
| 01:00:33,120 | 01:00:35,200 | 先往下等他再回過來討論 |
| 01:00:35,840 | 01:00:37,200 | 剛剛看教育部點頭 |
| 01:00:37,200 | 01:00:40,000 | 羅魯島算是有打算研議一下嗎 |
| 01:00:40,870 | 01:00:42,830 | 那因為教育部要研議 |
| 01:00:42,830 | 01:00:43,910 | 那我們等你 |
| 01:00:43,910 | 01:00:45,549 | 我們先保留這一條 |
| 01:00:45,549 | 01:00:46,549 | 回過頭來再處理 |
| 01:00:48,120 | 01:00:49,840 | 那麻煩你們是不是 |
| 01:00:49,840 | 01:00:51,600 | 所有同仁現在集思廣益一下 |
| 01:00:52,630 | 01:00:55,830 | 你現在就可以說明了嗎 |
| 01:00:55,830 | 01:00:56,830 | 好麻煩你 |
| 01:00:57,790 | 01:01:01,190 | 謝謝長委還有各位委員的指導 |
| 01:01:01,190 | 01:01:04,270 | 那如果在母法裡面 |
| 01:01:04,270 | 01:01:06,270 | 我們落一個 |
| 01:01:06,270 | 01:01:07,270 | 那個第一 |
| 01:01:07,850 | 01:01:09,850 | 第二項 |
| 01:01:09,850 | 01:01:11,450 | 各級主管機關 |
| 01:01:11,450 | 01:01:14,049 | 應協助各級學校備至 |
| 01:01:14,650 | 01:01:17,650 | 生理用品並推動月經教育 |
| 01:01:17,650 | 01:01:19,410 | 然後我們會在我們的 |
| 01:01:19,410 | 01:01:22,650 | 施行細則的第十四條 |
| 01:01:22,650 | 01:01:25,130 | 把那個月經教育加進去 |
| 01:01:25,130 | 01:01:28,250 | 然後把各位委員關心的那些細項 |
| 01:01:28,250 | 01:01:30,770 | 就都會那個放在裡面 |
| 01:01:31,980 | 01:01:33,820 | 這樣我把其他方案宣讀一下 |
| 01:01:34,360 | 01:01:36,200 | 好謝謝我們已經打在上面 |
| 01:01:40,920 | 01:01:41,960 | 第六條 |
| 01:01:44,620 | 01:01:45,860 | 負責規劃設計 |
| 01:01:45,860 | 01:01:47,819 | 推動學校衛生工作 |
| 01:01:47,819 | 01:01:49,860 | 學校應有健康中心制設施 |
| 01:01:49,860 | 01:01:52,420 | 作為健康檢查與管理 |
| 01:01:52,420 | 01:01:53,940 | 緊急傷患處理 |
| 01:01:53,940 | 01:01:57,700 | 衛生諮詢及支援健康教學之場所 |
| 01:01:57,700 | 01:01:58,740 | 各級主管機關 |
| 01:01:58,740 | 01:02:00,700 | 應協助各級學校 |
| 01:02:00,700 | 01:02:01,700 | 備 |
| 01:02:01,740 | 01:02:04,859 | 自生理用品並推動月經教育 |
| 01:02:05,490 | 01:02:06,609 | 宣讀 |
| 01:02:07,160 | 01:02:08,279 | 好 |
| 01:02:08,210 | 01:02:09,330 | 請發言 |
| 01:02:15,990 | 01:02:17,990 | 創造教育部法制處建議 |
| 01:02:17,990 | 01:02:19,990 | 那個因為在第三條 |
| 01:02:19,990 | 01:02:22,990 | 這個各級全國各級學校已經簡稱學校 |
| 01:02:22,990 | 01:02:24,990 | 所以這邊不用再寫各級學校 |
| 01:02:24,990 | 01:02:26,990 | 那個各級兩字可以刪除 |
| 01:02:31,830 | 01:02:32,950 | 好 |
| 01:02:33,290 | 01:02:35,290 | 現在在修正文字 |
| 01:02:35,290 | 01:02:36,690 | 那請大家稍微看一下 |
| 01:02:39,420 | 01:02:42,420 | 我們是不是就照這個教育部提供的文字 |
| 01:02:42,420 | 01:02:43,420 | 我們各級去掉 |
| 01:02:44,790 | 01:02:45,790 | 麻煩去掉 |
| 01:02:45,790 | 01:02:46,790 | 我們就修正通過 |
| 01:02:51,090 | 01:02:52,610 | 好 |
| 01:02:53,460 | 01:02:55,460 | 第一個各級要 |
| 01:02:55,460 | 01:02:57,460 | 因為他剛剛有寫各級學校 |
| 01:02:57,460 | 01:03:00,460 | 各級主管機關要留著 |
| 01:03:00,460 | 01:03:03,460 | 那各級學校的各級拿掉 |
| 01:03:03,460 | 01:03:04,460 | 好修正通過 |
| 01:03:04,460 | 01:03:08,460 | 第二條條文有委員提出附帶決議兩案 |
| 01:03:08,460 | 01:03:12,460 | 第一案委員伍立華等人提案附帶決議 |
| 01:03:12,460 | 01:03:13,460 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:03:13,460 | 01:03:15,460 | 請問提案委員要不要補上說明 |
| 01:03:16,640 | 01:03:19,160 | 請問機關代表有沒有補充說明 |
| 01:03:20,190 | 01:03:21,190 | 好沒有意見 |
| 01:03:21,190 | 01:03:22,190 | 再通過 |
| 01:03:22,490 | 01:03:24,009 | 第二案 |
| 01:03:24,340 | 01:03:26,340 | 委員等人附帶決議 |
| 01:03:26,340 | 01:03:27,340 | 請問委員有沒有補充說明 |
| 01:03:28,300 | 01:03:29,820 | 請問機關有沒有補充說明 |
| 01:03:31,330 | 01:03:32,330 | 配合辦理 |
| 01:03:32,330 | 01:03:33,330 | 好 |
| 01:03:33,240 | 01:03:34,759 | 接下來進入到 |
| 01:03:36,340 | 01:03:37,340 | 第七條條文修正 |
| 01:03:37,340 | 01:03:40,340 | 有委員蔡其昌等21人提案所提 |
| 01:03:54,480 | 01:03:55,480 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:03:55,480 | 01:03:56,480 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:03:56,480 | 01:03:57,480 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:03:57,480 | 01:03:58,480 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:03:58,480 | 01:03:59,480 | 請問委員有無意見 |
| 01:04:00,810 | 01:04:01,810 | 要先說明 |
| 01:04:01,810 | 01:04:02,810 | 委員有舉手 |
| 01:04:04,270 | 01:04:05,790 | 先給委員吧 |
| 01:04:06,820 | 01:04:08,340 | 委員請說 |
| 01:04:09,150 | 01:04:10,150 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:04:10,150 | 01:04:12,150 | 這條是蔡其昌委員提出的 |
| 01:04:12,150 | 01:04:15,150 | 因為主要是考量現行高中以下學校 |
| 01:04:15,150 | 01:04:17,150 | 如果有附設幼兒園 |
| 01:04:17,150 | 01:04:21,150 | 那該間學校就會有專任的護理人員 |
| 01:04:21,150 | 01:04:24,150 | 那幼兒園就不用再配置護理人員 |
| 01:04:24,150 | 01:04:26,150 | 可是這樣的狀況 |
| 01:04:26,150 | 01:04:29,150 | 我覺得護理人員的負擔可能會比較沉重 |
| 01:04:29,150 | 01:04:32,150 | 所以蔡其昌委員的修正文字我也表達支持 |
| 01:04:32,150 | 01:04:35,150 | 那不過我看之前教育部的報告是說 |
| 01:04:35,670 | 01:04:38,670 | 因為現行學校本來就把附設幼兒園的班級數 |
| 01:04:38,670 | 01:04:43,670 | 跟既有的國小的學校班級數來合併計算 |
| 01:04:43,670 | 01:04:47,670 | 來一起考量要配置多少的護理人員 |
| 01:04:47,670 | 01:04:49,670 | 所以我現在想要請教教育部是說 |
| 01:04:49,670 | 01:04:54,670 | 你們有沒有盤點這些有附設幼兒園的學校的 |
| 01:04:54,670 | 01:04:57,670 | 護理人員現在配置狀況是如何 |
| 01:04:57,670 | 01:05:01,670 | 那人員足不足以來負擔學校整體的人數 |
| 01:05:01,670 | 01:05:03,670 | 這部分再請教部說明一下 |
| 01:05:03,670 | 01:05:04,670 | 以上 |
| 01:05:06,660 | 01:05:07,660 | 教育部說明 |
| 01:05:07,660 | 01:05:13,660 | 教育部在教育及照顧法第17條的幼兒園 |
| 01:05:13,660 | 01:05:17,660 | 幼兒園的人力配置跟組織標準的第8項 |
| 01:05:17,660 | 01:05:18,660 | 已經有規定說 |
| 01:05:18,660 | 01:05:21,660 | 學校可以將附設幼兒園班級數 |
| 01:05:21,660 | 01:05:24,660 | 跟學校的班級數合併計算 |
| 01:05:24,660 | 01:05:27,660 | 那學校已經可以依該法作為 |
| 01:05:27,660 | 01:05:30,660 | 就是聘護理人員的那個依據 |
| 01:05:30,660 | 01:05:31,660 | 對對對 |
| 01:05:31,660 | 01:05:33,160 | 基本上他已經有依據了 |
| 01:05:33,180 | 01:05:39,180 | 所以比較建議說這裡就不用再修這個條文 |
| 01:05:39,180 | 01:05:41,680 | 對那至於委員所關心的就是說 |
| 01:05:41,680 | 01:05:45,680 | 現在就是有附設幼兒園的學校 |
| 01:05:45,680 | 01:05:49,180 | 這些護理人員的配置的狀況的話 |
| 01:05:49,180 | 01:05:53,180 | 基本上他還是回到學校衛生法的那個規定 |
| 01:05:53,180 | 01:05:56,180 | 基本上國小裡頭附設幼兒園 |
| 01:05:56,180 | 01:05:59,680 | 他班級數大概不至於會太多 |
| 01:05:59,680 | 01:06:01,680 | 大概就是一班兩班 |
| 01:06:01,700 | 01:06:03,700 | 或是少數的那個班級 |
| 01:06:03,700 | 01:06:06,200 | 那如果是他達到的門檻 |
| 01:06:06,200 | 01:06:10,200 | 基本上都是依學校衛生法的那個配置標準 |
| 01:06:10,200 | 01:06:13,200 | 對那班級數是可以計算在裡面的 |
| 01:06:18,230 | 01:06:18,750 | 好 |
| 01:06:21,250 | 01:06:22,770 | 我們是不是 |
| 01:06:23,660 | 01:06:25,180 | 現在還有委員其他有意見的 |
| 01:06:27,430 | 01:06:28,930 | 沒有意見 |
| 01:06:28,930 | 01:06:31,430 | 那大家是不是就 |
| 01:06:31,430 | 01:06:34,930 | 照我們現在的教育部 |
| 01:06:34,930 | 01:06:37,430 | 所提的這個建議 |
| 01:06:37,430 | 01:06:39,430 | 我們就維持現行條文 |
| 01:06:40,840 | 01:06:42,840 | 好不予修正維持現行條文 |
| 01:06:42,840 | 01:06:44,840 | 我們繼續往下謝謝 |
| 01:06:44,640 | 01:06:47,660 | 第八條條文修正有委員林茜琪等30人等一個提案 |
| 01:06:55,930 | 01:06:56,950 | 教育部要說明 |
| 01:07:04,280 | 01:07:04,800 | 好 |
| 01:07:05,360 | 01:07:06,860 | 各位委員大家好 |
| 01:07:06,860 | 01:07:09,360 | 我是學特司司長蔡宜靜 |
| 01:07:09,360 | 01:07:11,360 | 有關於第八條的部分 |
| 01:07:11,360 | 01:07:15,360 | 有關林茜琪委員等30人所提的這個部分 |
| 01:07:15,360 | 01:07:18,860 | 在目前的一個學生輔導法的第六條 |
| 01:07:18,860 | 01:07:21,360 | 已有明定三級輔導的一個機制 |
| 01:07:21,360 | 01:07:24,360 | 包含有發展性輔導、介入性、處遇性 |
| 01:07:24,360 | 01:07:28,860 | 也是對全校性的一個心理健康的一個評估的機制 |
| 01:07:28,860 | 01:07:32,860 | 那另外第九條也有明定學校要設專責的一個單位 |
| 01:07:32,880 | 01:07:36,880 | 來辦理這個相關的一個心理的一個健康評估工作 |
| 01:07:36,880 | 01:07:39,380 | 所以建議維持現行的條文以上 |
| 01:07:41,570 | 01:07:42,090 | 好 |
| 01:07:42,640 | 01:07:44,140 | 有委員有意見嗎 |
| 01:07:44,140 | 01:07:45,140 | 沒有意見 |
| 01:07:45,140 | 01:07:45,940 | 不予修正 |
| 01:07:45,940 | 01:07:47,940 | 請維持現行的條文 |
| 01:07:47,940 | 01:07:48,940 | 我們繼續往下 |
| 01:07:50,100 | 01:07:51,620 | 第十條條文修正 |
| 01:07:51,620 | 01:07:53,120 | 有委員林茜琪 |
| 01:07:53,980 | 01:07:55,980 | 等30人一個提案 |
| 01:07:55,980 | 01:07:57,480 | 請教育部說明 |
| 01:07:58,180 | 01:07:59,680 | 跟各位委員報告 |
| 01:07:59,680 | 01:08:00,680 | 這個第十條的部分 |
| 01:08:00,680 | 01:08:04,180 | 同第八條的一個說明是一樣 |
| 01:08:04,180 | 01:08:08,180 | 在學生輔導法的第六條跟第九條都有明定 |
| 01:08:08,180 | 01:08:08,680 | 以上 |
| 01:08:09,300 | 01:08:09,820 | 好 |
| 01:08:16,170 | 01:08:16,670 | 不予修正 |
| 01:08:16,670 | 01:08:18,170 | 維持現行條文 |
| 01:08:18,170 | 01:08:22,170 | 接下來我們進入到第十一條條文修正 |
| 01:08:23,040 | 01:08:24,060 | 第十一條 |
| 01:08:24,810 | 01:08:27,330 | 有羅志祥等17人台灣民眾黨等兩個提案 |
| 01:08:29,029 | 01:08:29,550 | 請問 |
| 01:08:32,010 | 01:08:34,530 | 請國務卿委員再驗證 |
| 01:08:36,620 | 01:08:37,140 | 好 |
| 01:09:12,380 | 01:09:15,880 | 我想每次提出有類似這樣子的一些個別的問題 |
| 01:09:15,880 | 01:09:17,880 | 要修其實也是旷日費時 |
| 01:09:17,880 | 01:09:20,880 | 所以其實我在這邊我也會提這個附帶決議 |
| 01:09:20,880 | 01:09:23,880 | 就是要求這個教育部是不是能夠正視 |
| 01:09:23,880 | 01:09:28,880 | 這個3C產品對於青少年身心健康狀況的一些影響 |
| 01:09:28,880 | 01:09:31,380 | 建立完整的一個追蹤 |
| 01:09:31,380 | 01:09:34,880 | 然後同時為教肌質和醫療的一個轉介的服務 |
| 01:09:34,880 | 01:09:36,380 | 滾動式來做調整 |
| 01:09:36,380 | 01:09:38,380 | 落實這個早期發現 |
| 01:09:38,380 | 01:09:39,880 | 那及早能夠治療 |
| 01:09:39,900 | 01:09:42,900 | 那就學生整體健康的一個角度 |
| 01:09:42,900 | 01:09:46,400 | 來建立他們比較完整的一個預防跟追蹤的一個機制 |
| 01:09:46,400 | 01:09:48,400 | 所以等一下我會提附帶決議的部分 |
| 01:09:48,400 | 01:09:48,900 | 好以上 |
| 01:09:51,540 | 01:09:53,060 | 議員自委員 |
| 01:09:55,630 | 01:09:57,130 | 因為這個青少年階段 |
| 01:09:57,130 | 01:10:00,630 | 都對音樂很熱愛 |
| 01:10:00,630 | 01:10:02,130 | 常常都戴著耳機 |
| 01:10:02,130 | 01:10:05,630 | 所以然後國內有學者針對1288名的 |
| 01:10:05,630 | 01:10:09,130 | 國高中職的學生有進行調查結果 |
| 01:10:09,130 | 01:10:12,130 | 發現噪音對聽力改變的盛行率有15.3% |
| 01:10:12,130 | 01:10:17,130 | 可見我覺得把聽力不良加到這一條裡面是很重要的 |
| 01:10:17,130 | 01:10:19,130 | 那聽聽看教育部的意見謝謝 |
| 01:10:21,010 | 01:10:21,530 | 好 |
| 01:10:24,250 | 01:10:25,750 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 01:10:25,750 | 01:10:27,750 | 這一條我是沒有版本 |
| 01:10:27,750 | 01:10:31,250 | 但是我支持把聽力不良明確入法 |
| 01:10:31,250 | 01:10:32,750 | 那最主要的原因 |
| 01:10:32,750 | 01:10:38,250 | 就是現在學生都是長期接觸手機耳機行動裝置 |
| 01:10:38,250 | 01:10:41,750 | 那我有看了郭育晴委員的附帶決議 |
| 01:10:41,750 | 01:10:43,750 | 把科技健康聽力宣導 |
| 01:10:43,750 | 01:10:46,250 | 異常追蹤把它串聯起來 |
| 01:10:46,250 | 01:10:48,750 | 那我覺得這個方向是完整的 |
| 01:10:48,750 | 01:10:52,250 | 所以等一下也希望一併聽教育部回應說 |
| 01:10:52,270 | 01:10:53,770 | 增列聽力不良之後 |
| 01:10:53,770 | 01:10:57,270 | 教育部會不會同步更新教師護理人員 |
| 01:10:57,270 | 01:11:00,770 | 跟家長可以理解的聽力保健指引 |
| 01:11:00,770 | 01:11:03,270 | 那聽力檢查異常的醫療轉介 |
| 01:11:03,270 | 01:11:05,770 | 跟偏鄉的可進性 |
| 01:11:05,770 | 01:11:09,270 | 那會不會有補助或者是跨部會的方案謝謝 |
| 01:11:12,060 | 01:11:12,580 | 好 |
| 01:11:14,130 | 01:11:14,650 | 啊 |
| 01:11:15,620 | 01:11:17,620 | 這邊我也呼應一下 |
| 01:11:17,620 | 01:11:19,620 | 我想這個聽力不良的部分 |
| 01:11:19,620 | 01:11:22,620 | 像我自己也是耳機的重度使用者 |
| 01:11:22,620 | 01:11:27,120 | 那更何況是現在的孩子對於3C產品的一個依賴 |
| 01:11:27,120 | 01:11:31,120 | 所以呢希望能夠將這個聽力不良來放置增列 |
| 01:11:31,120 | 01:11:35,620 | 我覺得這個部分大家都有一致的共同想法 |
| 01:11:35,620 | 01:11:39,120 | 是不是請教育部能夠就在這個部分 |
| 01:11:39,120 | 01:11:41,620 | 大家一起來努力請回應謝謝 |
| 01:11:41,620 | 01:11:45,120 | 好謝謝昭偉還有各位委員的指教 |
| 01:11:45,140 | 01:11:48,140 | 聽力不良的部分 |
| 01:11:48,140 | 01:11:49,640 | 我們原先沒有入法 |
| 01:11:49,640 | 01:11:53,140 | 不過是在我們的健康檢查實施辦法裡面 |
| 01:11:53,140 | 01:11:55,640 | 它是檢查項目之一 |
| 01:11:55,640 | 01:11:58,140 | 所以我們現在就把它入法 |
| 01:11:58,140 | 01:12:03,140 | 那另外那個國委員所提的附帶決議的部分 |
| 01:12:03,140 | 01:12:04,140 | 就是 |
| 01:12:05,160 | 01:12:05,660 | 就是 |
| 01:12:05,660 | 01:12:06,160 | 哈 |
| 01:12:06,160 | 01:12:07,160 | 聽力有 |
| 01:12:07,160 | 01:12:08,160 | 然後 |
| 01:12:09,720 | 01:12:10,220 | 對 |
| 01:12:10,220 | 01:12:13,220 | 然後那個國委員所提的附帶決議 |
| 01:12:13,220 | 01:12:15,220 | 就是除了 |
| 01:12:15,220 | 01:12:17,220 | 那個耳機之外 |
| 01:12:17,220 | 01:12:18,720 | 那長期不當使用 |
| 01:12:18,720 | 01:12:22,220 | 會使時間暴露在音量過大的環境等等 |
| 01:12:22,220 | 01:12:25,720 | 這些意見我們也可以配合辦理 |
| 01:12:25,720 | 01:12:28,220 | 那我們那個具體建議 |
| 01:12:28,220 | 01:12:30,220 | 聽力不良我們可以入 |
| 01:12:30,220 | 01:12:31,220 | 母法 |
| 01:12:31,220 | 01:12:32,220 | 以上報告 |
| 01:12:33,270 | 01:12:36,790 | 好那是不是我們就修正通過 |
| 01:12:37,760 | 01:12:39,280 | 那請醫次人員宣讀 |
| 01:12:42,030 | 01:12:43,050 | 第11條 |
| 01:12:47,330 | 01:12:48,350 | 第11條 |
| 01:13:03,060 | 01:13:05,560 | 好第11條有委員提出附帶決議 |
| 01:13:05,560 | 01:13:07,560 | 委員規請等人提附帶決議 |
| 01:13:07,560 | 01:13:10,060 | 有委員要說明嗎 |
| 01:13:10,060 | 01:13:11,060 | 剛剛說明過了 |
| 01:13:11,060 | 01:13:12,060 | 好 |
| 01:13:12,060 | 01:13:13,560 | 那機關有沒有要說明的 |
| 01:13:13,560 | 01:13:14,560 | 我們配合辦理 |
| 01:13:14,560 | 01:13:15,560 | 配合辦理 |
| 01:13:15,560 | 01:13:17,060 | 好無意見照樣通過 |
| 01:13:17,060 | 01:13:19,060 | 我們第11條修正通過 |
| 01:13:24,760 | 01:13:29,780 | 好第16條調修正有委員魯明哲等18人等12個提案 |
| 01:13:35,860 | 01:13:36,380 | 好 |
| 01:13:37,250 | 01:13:40,270 | 那是不是直接請教育部來回應一下 |
| 01:13:46,570 | 01:13:48,570 | 好國教署這邊補充一下 |
| 01:13:48,570 | 01:13:52,070 | 其實現行我們在心理健康的部分 |
| 01:13:52,070 | 01:13:56,570 | 在12年國教的課綱裡頭健康與體育領域裡面 |
| 01:13:56,570 | 01:13:59,570 | 已經有涵蓋心理健康的內容 |
| 01:13:59,570 | 01:14:00,570 | 那 |
| 01:14:00,570 | 01:14:03,570 | 國教署這裡也有高級中等以下學校的 |
| 01:14:03,570 | 01:14:06,070 | 健康促進的學校計畫 |
| 01:14:06,070 | 01:14:07,570 | 也有把正向心理 |
| 01:14:07,570 | 01:14:10,570 | 跟研發正向心理的教材 |
| 01:14:10,570 | 01:14:12,570 | 其實放在我們的計畫裡面 |
| 01:14:12,570 | 01:14:14,570 | 那也有例行辦理一些 |
| 01:14:14,590 | 01:14:16,590 | 教師的增冷研習 |
| 01:14:16,590 | 01:14:18,590 | 那學生輔導法裡頭 |
| 01:14:18,590 | 01:14:20,090 | 也有這樣的規範 |
| 01:14:20,090 | 01:14:21,090 | 那如果說 |
| 01:14:21,090 | 01:14:24,590 | 委員這裡有要強調心理健康把它入法 |
| 01:14:24,590 | 01:14:27,590 | 我們也會配合修正 |
| 01:14:29,140 | 01:14:31,140 | 好現在 |
| 01:14:31,140 | 01:14:33,140 | 聽教育部的意思是 |
| 01:14:33,140 | 01:14:34,140 | 建議維持現行條文 |
| 01:14:34,140 | 01:14:35,140 | 但是如果要增列的話 |
| 01:14:35,140 | 01:14:36,140 | 也是可以配合 |
| 01:14:36,140 | 01:14:38,140 | 好那請吳立華委員 |
| 01:14:39,790 | 01:14:40,790 | 謝謝主席 |
| 01:14:40,790 | 01:14:42,790 | 這第16條我有版本 |
| 01:14:42,790 | 01:14:46,790 | 那我其實剛才已經聽到教育部的態度 |
| 01:14:46,790 | 01:14:47,790 | 非常肯定 |
| 01:14:47,790 | 01:14:49,790 | 但是我還是要補充說明一下 |
| 01:14:49,790 | 01:14:51,790 | 因為輔導法 |
| 01:14:51,790 | 01:14:52,790 | 雖然 |
| 01:14:52,790 | 01:14:53,790 | 是 |
| 01:14:53,790 | 01:14:57,790 | 說已經有在很多條文上面有心理健康 |
| 01:14:57,790 | 01:15:00,790 | 但是輔導法是在孩子已經有需求的時候 |
| 01:15:00,790 | 01:15:03,790 | 學校要怎麼用三級輔導接住他 |
| 01:15:03,790 | 01:15:06,790 | 那第16條其實講的是 |
| 01:15:06,790 | 01:15:08,790 | 所有的孩子還沒有走到危機以前 |
| 01:15:08,810 | 01:15:11,810 | 就應該要學會辨識情緒 |
| 01:15:11,810 | 01:15:13,810 | 調適壓力理解他人 |
| 01:15:13,810 | 01:15:15,810 | 然後知道哪裡可以求助 |
| 01:15:15,810 | 01:15:17,810 | 所以這應該不是重複 |
| 01:15:17,810 | 01:15:21,810 | 是前端的預防跟後端支持的一個銜接 |
| 01:15:21,810 | 01:15:22,810 | 那不過 |
| 01:15:22,810 | 01:15:25,810 | 剛才已經有聽到教育部說 |
| 01:15:25,810 | 01:15:27,810 | 這個部分是可以接納的 |
| 01:15:27,810 | 01:15:31,810 | 那我這邊也已經有準備附帶決議了 |
| 01:15:31,810 | 01:15:33,810 | 那希望承諾同步修正 |
| 01:15:33,810 | 01:15:34,810 | 施行細則第14條 |
| 01:15:34,810 | 01:15:36,810 | 跟健康教育相關的教材 |
| 01:15:36,810 | 01:15:37,810 | 課綱的指引 |
| 01:15:37,830 | 01:15:40,830 | 納入心理健康基本職能跟求助資源 |
| 01:15:40,830 | 01:15:41,830 | 以上說明謝謝 |
| 01:15:43,510 | 01:15:44,030 | 好 |
| 01:15:44,490 | 01:15:45,510 | 立即委員 |
| 01:15:47,050 | 01:15:48,050 | 謝謝主席 |
| 01:15:48,050 | 01:15:51,050 | 本席的16條跟17條 |
| 01:15:51,050 | 01:15:53,050 | 其實主要都是在促進 |
| 01:15:53,050 | 01:15:56,050 | 學校對學生的心理健康教育 |
| 01:15:56,050 | 01:15:59,050 | 以及破除對這個心理疾病的污名 |
| 01:15:59,050 | 01:16:01,050 | 那這是我認為 |
| 01:16:01,050 | 01:16:03,050 | 學校健康衛生教育 |
| 01:16:03,050 | 01:16:05,050 | 非常重要的一環 |
| 01:16:05,050 | 01:16:06,050 | 因此我的條文是在 |
| 01:16:06,050 | 01:16:08,050 | 健康相關的課程中 |
| 01:16:08,050 | 01:16:10,050 | 除了既有的實濃教育 |
| 01:16:10,050 | 01:16:15,050 | 增定納入促進心理健康與基本職能 |
| 01:16:15,070 | 01:16:17,070 | 讓學生學會認識情緒 |
| 01:16:17,070 | 01:16:21,070 | 知道如何自我覺察跟壓力調節 |
| 01:16:21,070 | 01:16:22,070 | 那遇到狀況的時候 |
| 01:16:22,070 | 01:16:25,070 | 也才可以如何去尋求專業的協助 |
| 01:16:25,070 | 01:16:29,070 | 才不會獨自來承受這個情緒困擾 |
| 01:16:29,070 | 01:16:30,070 | 那也可以提升 |
| 01:16:30,070 | 01:16:33,070 | 學生對於心理健康的知識 |
| 01:16:33,070 | 01:16:34,070 | 那另外 |
| 01:16:34,070 | 01:16:37,070 | 現在這個校園電子煙的狀況頻傳 |
| 01:16:37,070 | 01:16:40,070 | 那前日子新聞就有報導說 |
| 01:16:40,070 | 01:16:42,070 | 教育部統計 |
| 01:16:42,090 | 01:16:45,090 | 這三年來的校安通報 |
| 01:16:45,090 | 01:16:48,090 | 有疑似吸食電子煙 |
| 01:16:48,090 | 01:16:53,090 | 從499件爆增到去年的1692件 |
| 01:16:53,090 | 01:16:55,090 | 我們要特別注意的是說 |
| 01:16:55,090 | 01:16:56,090 | 新興毒品 |
| 01:16:56,090 | 01:16:58,090 | 這個E-TOMYG正容毒品 |
| 01:16:58,090 | 01:17:00,090 | 被做成電子煙彈 |
| 01:17:00,090 | 01:17:04,090 | 它會嚴重危害學生的身心健康 |
| 01:17:04,090 | 01:17:06,090 | 那雖然說我們現在校園 |
| 01:17:06,090 | 01:17:09,090 | 有一些這個淹害的防治宣導 |
| 01:17:09,090 | 01:17:11,090 | 還有防治學生藥物濫用 |
| 01:17:11,110 | 01:17:13,110 | 可是這些工作機構很顯然 |
| 01:17:13,110 | 01:17:15,110 | 如果透過這個數據來看 |
| 01:17:15,110 | 01:17:16,110 | 顯然不夠力 |
| 01:17:16,110 | 01:17:19,110 | 所以我認為這個成癮物質的防治教育 |
| 01:17:19,110 | 01:17:21,110 | 是不是應該要明文寫進 |
| 01:17:21,110 | 01:17:23,110 | 這個健康相關的課程中 |
| 01:17:23,110 | 01:17:27,110 | 那我們希望透過有效的預防教育 |
| 01:17:27,110 | 01:17:28,110 | 然後深耕學生 |
| 01:17:28,110 | 01:17:31,110 | 對於這些有害成癮物質的認識 |
| 01:17:31,110 | 01:17:34,110 | 然後來減少對於這個物質濫用 |
| 01:17:34,110 | 01:17:36,110 | 衍生的一些醫療負擔 |
| 01:17:36,110 | 01:17:38,110 | 或者是潛在的犯罪問題 |
| 01:17:38,130 | 01:17:41,130 | 還有這個要付出這個龐大的社會成本 |
| 01:17:41,130 | 01:17:43,130 | 所以還請這個教育部來參採 |
| 01:17:43,130 | 01:17:44,130 | 以上 |
| 01:17:52,630 | 01:17:53,650 | 好,課程完結 |
| 01:17:59,200 | 01:18:00,200 | 我覺得第16條 |
| 01:18:00,200 | 01:18:02,200 | 大家就是對於 |
| 01:18:02,200 | 01:18:05,200 | 所謂的這個健康相關課程 |
| 01:18:05,200 | 01:18:06,200 | 應該涵蓋哪一些 |
| 01:18:06,200 | 01:18:09,200 | 所以教育部目前為止現行的版本 |
| 01:18:09,200 | 01:18:11,200 | 顯然對於健康飲食的教育 |
| 01:18:11,200 | 01:18:12,200 | 是琢磨非常的多 |
| 01:18:12,200 | 01:18:14,200 | 可是時代的一個需求 |
| 01:18:14,200 | 01:18:16,200 | 其實現在學生 |
| 01:18:16,200 | 01:18:18,200 | 真的是我個人還是認為 |
| 01:18:18,200 | 01:18:20,200 | 在這個所謂的心理健康部分 |
| 01:18:20,200 | 01:18:22,200 | 真的是非常非常的重要 |
| 01:18:22,200 | 01:18:24,200 | 所以本席的版本當中 |
| 01:18:24,200 | 01:18:26,200 | 我還是強烈的希望能夠 |
| 01:18:26,220 | 01:18:28,220 | 把這個所謂的心理健康教育 |
| 01:18:28,220 | 01:18:30,220 | 融入你們目前 |
| 01:18:30,220 | 01:18:32,220 | 而且我非常的強調 |
| 01:18:32,220 | 01:18:34,220 | 其實正向心理學有沒有 |
| 01:18:34,220 | 01:18:35,220 | 我真的是其次了 |
| 01:18:35,220 | 01:18:36,220 | 但是我個人認為 |
| 01:18:36,220 | 01:18:38,220 | 以最基本的條件來看 |
| 01:18:38,220 | 01:18:39,220 | 自我覺察 |
| 01:18:39,220 | 01:18:41,220 | 還有這個早期發現的這個預防機制 |
| 01:18:41,220 | 01:18:42,220 | 比什麼都重要 |
| 01:18:42,220 | 01:18:44,220 | 當你自己完全都是 |
| 01:18:44,220 | 01:18:45,220 | 維持一個正態的時候 |
| 01:18:45,220 | 01:18:47,220 | 你再來告訴他正向心理 |
| 01:18:47,220 | 01:18:49,220 | 那個還是屬於後期 |
| 01:18:49,220 | 01:18:50,220 | 我個人認為自我覺察的 |
| 01:18:50,220 | 01:18:52,220 | 類似像這樣子的一個預防機制 |
| 01:18:52,220 | 01:18:54,220 | 是真的完全 |
| 01:18:54,220 | 01:18:55,220 | 是需要放在這裡面的 |
| 01:18:55,240 | 01:18:57,240 | 所以我也希望在 |
| 01:18:57,240 | 01:18:59,240 | 你們這個所謂的 |
| 01:18:59,240 | 01:19:01,240 | 健康飲食教育之外 |
| 01:19:01,240 | 01:19:03,240 | 這一塊我覺得是目前最大的一個趨勢 |
| 01:19:08,290 | 01:19:10,290 | 是不是請教育部 |
| 01:19:10,290 | 01:19:14,290 | 來將所有的建議文字 |
| 01:19:14,290 | 01:19:16,290 | 是不是來囊括一下 |
| 01:19:16,290 | 01:19:18,290 | 然後把它呈現在螢幕上 |
| 01:19:18,290 | 01:19:19,290 | 讓大家能夠看一下 |
| 01:19:23,560 | 01:19:24,580 | 好 放在那裡 |
| 01:19:25,800 | 01:19:27,800 | 我自己有16條 |
| 01:19:27,800 | 01:19:28,800 | 呼應柯志恩委員 |
| 01:19:28,800 | 01:19:30,800 | 我想我們這個部分都很關鍵 |
| 01:19:30,800 | 01:19:32,800 | 希望說能夠把它給整列 |
| 01:19:32,800 | 01:19:34,800 | 入法來保障 |
| 01:19:34,800 | 01:19:35,800 | 孩子在這個部分的 |
| 01:19:35,800 | 01:19:39,800 | 身心靈健康的一個發展跟察覺 |
| 01:19:39,800 | 01:19:41,800 | 所以麻煩我們是不是就 |
| 01:19:41,800 | 01:19:43,800 | 教育部現在研究一下 |
| 01:19:43,800 | 01:19:45,800 | 怎麼將文字呈現給所有的委員 |
| 01:19:45,800 | 01:19:47,800 | 然後大家來共同的凝聚 |
| 01:19:47,800 | 01:19:48,800 | 共事 |
| 01:19:54,320 | 01:19:56,320 | 首先先更正宣告 |
| 01:19:56,320 | 01:19:58,320 | 第11條原宣告修正通過 |
| 01:19:58,320 | 01:20:00,320 | 更正為 趙委員羅志祥 |
| 01:20:00,320 | 01:20:02,320 | 等17人及台灣民眾黨 |
| 01:20:02,320 | 01:20:04,320 | 黨團提案修正通過 |
| 01:20:18,300 | 01:20:19,300 | 好 |
| 01:20:21,300 | 01:20:22,300 | 現在16條這邊 |
| 01:20:22,300 | 01:20:24,300 | 它第一項的話就是 |
| 01:20:24,300 | 01:20:26,300 | 高級中等以下學校 |
| 01:20:26,300 | 01:20:29,300 | 應開設健康相關的課程 |
| 01:20:29,300 | 01:20:30,300 | 專科以上 |
| 01:20:30,300 | 01:20:33,300 | 得是需要開設健康相關的課程 |
| 01:20:33,300 | 01:20:34,300 | 那健康 |
| 01:20:34,300 | 01:20:36,300 | 第二項這裡如果沒有動的話 |
| 01:20:36,300 | 01:20:37,300 | 我們是不是在那個 |
| 01:20:37,300 | 01:20:39,300 | 第三項這邊 |
| 01:20:39,300 | 01:20:42,300 | 把那個心理健康教育放在 |
| 01:20:42,300 | 01:20:44,300 | 因為委員都非常關心 |
| 01:20:44,300 | 01:20:46,300 | 我們是不是就放在前面 |
| 01:20:46,320 | 01:20:48,320 | 第一項健康相關 |
| 01:20:48,320 | 01:20:49,320 | 課程 |
| 01:20:49,320 | 01:20:50,320 | 應包括 |
| 01:20:50,320 | 01:20:52,320 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:20:52,320 | 01:20:53,320 | 燉耗 |
| 01:20:53,320 | 01:20:54,320 | 飲食 |
| 01:20:54,320 | 01:20:55,320 | 健康飲食教育 |
| 01:20:55,320 | 01:20:56,320 | 然後 |
| 01:20:56,320 | 01:20:57,320 | 以 |
| 01:20:57,320 | 01:20:58,320 | 建立 |
| 01:20:58,320 | 01:20:59,320 | 正確的飲食習慣 |
| 01:20:59,320 | 01:21:00,320 | 等等 |
| 01:21:00,320 | 01:21:02,320 | 就把它放在前面這樣子 |
| 01:21:02,320 | 01:21:03,320 | 對 |
| 01:21:03,320 | 01:21:04,320 | 這樣怪啊 |
| 01:21:06,450 | 01:21:07,450 | 這樣怪啊 |
| 01:21:07,450 | 01:21:08,450 | 因為你看 |
| 01:21:08,450 | 01:21:09,450 | 你的整個資訊 |
| 01:21:09,450 | 01:21:10,450 | 如果你這樣 |
| 01:21:10,450 | 01:21:11,450 | 包括心理健康教育 |
| 01:21:11,450 | 01:21:12,450 | 然後這樣 |
| 01:21:12,450 | 01:21:13,450 | 可是你後面是 |
| 01:21:13,450 | 01:21:14,450 | 以建立正確的飲食習慣 |
| 01:21:15,740 | 01:21:16,740 | 你懂我意思嗎 |
| 01:21:16,740 | 01:21:17,740 | 所以你這個 |
| 01:21:17,740 | 01:21:20,740 | 我覺得其實你應該要分開啦 |
| 01:21:22,440 | 01:21:23,440 | 分開解釋啊 |
| 01:21:23,440 | 01:21:24,440 | 為什麼要有這個 |
| 01:21:24,440 | 01:21:25,440 | 健康飲食教育 |
| 01:21:25,440 | 01:21:26,440 | 為什麼要有 |
| 01:21:26,440 | 01:21:27,440 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:21:27,440 | 01:21:28,440 | 因為你後面 |
| 01:21:28,440 | 01:21:29,440 | 心理健康教育這邊 |
| 01:21:29,440 | 01:21:30,440 | 還有一些說明 |
| 01:21:30,440 | 01:21:31,440 | 這些字句 |
| 01:21:31,440 | 01:21:32,440 | 我覺得很不錯 |
| 01:21:32,440 | 01:21:33,440 | 因為我們就是要建立 |
| 01:21:33,440 | 01:21:34,440 | 這個自我 |
| 01:21:34,440 | 01:21:35,440 | 身心健康的覺察能力 |
| 01:21:35,440 | 01:21:36,440 | 或者是增列一項 |
| 01:21:36,440 | 01:21:37,440 | 增列一項的話 |
| 01:21:37,440 | 01:21:38,440 | 你就增列一項嘛 |
| 01:21:38,440 | 01:21:39,440 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:21:39,440 | 01:21:40,440 | 這裡就寫第二項嘛 |
| 01:21:40,440 | 01:21:41,440 | 好不好 |
| 01:21:41,440 | 01:21:42,440 | 好 |
| 01:21:42,440 | 01:21:43,440 | 來我們修正一下 |
| 01:21:43,440 | 01:21:44,440 | 紅色的字 |
| 01:21:44,440 | 01:21:45,440 | 第一項改成第二項 |
| 01:21:47,740 | 01:21:50,760 | 第一項改成第二項 |
| 01:21:54,250 | 01:21:55,270 | 就直接這樣 |
| 01:21:55,630 | 01:21:56,650 | 好 |
| 01:21:56,890 | 01:21:58,890 | 都在第一項南瓜裡面就對了 |
| 01:21:58,890 | 01:21:59,890 | OK 好 |
| 01:22:00,850 | 01:22:02,850 | 好 那就我們看到 |
| 01:22:02,850 | 01:22:04,850 | 他現在增加的紅色文字的片段喔 |
| 01:22:04,850 | 01:22:05,850 | 麻煩大家請閱讀 |
| 01:22:06,980 | 01:22:08,980 | 你後面那個文字修一修 |
| 01:22:08,980 | 01:22:09,980 | 我剛剛說第二項 |
| 01:22:09,980 | 01:22:10,980 | 你們又說不要 |
| 01:22:10,980 | 01:22:11,980 | 它不是第二項 |
| 01:22:11,980 | 01:22:13,980 | 它是屬於健康相關課程 |
| 01:22:13,980 | 01:22:14,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:14,980 | 01:22:15,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:15,980 | 01:22:16,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:16,980 | 01:22:17,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:17,980 | 01:22:18,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:18,980 | 01:22:19,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:19,980 | 01:22:20,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:20,980 | 01:22:21,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:21,980 | 01:22:22,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:22,980 | 01:22:23,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:23,980 | 01:22:24,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:24,980 | 01:22:25,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:25,980 | 01:22:26,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:26,980 | 01:22:27,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:27,980 | 01:22:28,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:28,980 | 01:22:29,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:29,980 | 01:22:30,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:30,980 | 01:22:31,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:31,980 | 01:22:32,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:32,980 | 01:22:33,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:33,980 | 01:22:34,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:34,980 | 01:22:35,980 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:21,420 | 01:22:22,440 | 所以它可以 |
| 01:22:24,430 | 01:22:26,430 | 那你就第一項改成Lin呢 |
| 01:22:26,430 | 01:22:27,430 | 不是 |
| 01:22:27,430 | 01:22:28,430 | 那個 |
| 01:22:28,510 | 01:22:29,510 | 另外就好了 |
| 01:22:29,510 | 01:22:30,510 | 加一個另外 |
| 01:22:30,510 | 01:22:31,510 | 第一項拿掉 |
| 01:22:33,320 | 01:22:34,340 | 另外 |
| 01:22:39,440 | 01:22:40,440 | 對啊 |
| 01:22:40,440 | 01:22:41,440 | 冒號 |
| 01:22:41,440 | 01:22:42,440 | 包括兩個這樣 |
| 01:22:42,440 | 01:22:43,440 | 可以再 |
| 01:22:43,440 | 01:22:44,440 | 對 |
| 01:22:44,440 | 01:22:46,440 | 第一項健康相關課程 |
| 01:22:46,440 | 01:22:47,440 | 應該包括 |
| 01:22:47,440 | 01:22:48,440 | 冒號 |
| 01:22:48,440 | 01:22:49,440 | 然後 |
| 01:22:49,960 | 01:22:50,960 | 一個是健康飲食教育 |
| 01:22:50,960 | 01:22:51,960 | 二是那個 |
| 01:22:51,960 | 01:22:52,960 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:22:52,960 | 01:22:53,960 | 對 |
| 01:22:53,960 | 01:22:54,960 | 也可以分享 |
| 01:22:54,960 | 01:22:55,960 | 對 |
| 01:22:55,960 | 01:22:57,960 | 這樣子比較清楚 |
| 01:22:57,960 | 01:22:58,960 | 一目了然 |
| 01:22:58,960 | 01:22:59,960 | 好 |
| 01:22:59,960 | 01:23:00,960 | 這裡增加 |
| 01:23:00,960 | 01:23:01,960 | 所謂的健康 |
| 01:23:01,960 | 01:23:02,960 | 對 |
| 01:23:02,960 | 01:23:04,960 | 一個是一健康飲食教育 |
| 01:23:04,960 | 01:23:05,960 | 下面再來一個 |
| 01:23:05,960 | 01:23:06,960 | 二 |
| 01:23:06,960 | 01:23:07,960 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:23:07,960 | 01:23:09,960 | 內容再塞進去 |
| 01:23:12,400 | 01:23:15,400 | 如果要分款 |
| 01:23:15,400 | 01:23:16,400 | 就一二 |
| 01:23:16,400 | 01:23:17,400 | 然後 |
| 01:23:17,400 | 01:23:18,400 | 一 |
| 01:23:19,350 | 01:23:21,350 | 包括健康飲食教育 |
| 01:23:21,350 | 01:23:22,350 | 前面要加文字 |
| 01:23:24,650 | 01:23:25,670 | 對 |
| 01:23:26,460 | 01:23:28,460 | 健康飲食教育就 |
| 01:23:28,460 | 01:23:29,460 | 冒號 |
| 01:23:29,460 | 01:23:30,460 | 這裡要寫 |
| 01:23:30,460 | 01:23:31,460 | 對 |
| 01:23:31,460 | 01:23:32,460 | 就這裡 |
| 01:23:32,460 | 01:23:33,460 | 心理健康 |
| 01:23:33,460 | 01:23:34,460 | 包括心理健康教育 |
| 01:23:34,460 | 01:23:35,460 | 冒號 |
| 01:23:35,460 | 01:23:36,460 | 冒號 |
| 01:23:36,460 | 01:23:37,460 | 對 |
| 01:23:37,330 | 01:23:38,330 | 然後 |
| 01:23:38,330 | 01:23:40,330 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:23:40,330 | 01:23:41,330 | 這裡 |
| 01:23:41,330 | 01:23:42,330 | 就是心理健康教育 |
| 01:23:42,330 | 01:23:43,330 | 冒號 |
| 01:23:43,330 | 01:23:44,330 | 二 |
| 01:23:44,330 | 01:23:45,330 | 心理健康 |
| 01:23:46,250 | 01:23:48,270 | 又緊張又慢 |
| 01:23:49,360 | 01:23:50,360 | 心理健康教育 |
| 01:23:50,360 | 01:23:51,360 | 冒號 |
| 01:23:51,360 | 01:23:52,360 | 到底改冒號 |
| 01:23:53,360 | 01:23:54,360 | 不好意思 |
| 01:23:55,450 | 01:23:56,450 | 那個最後那一行 |
| 01:23:56,450 | 01:23:59,450 | 提到一健康飲食教育那邊 |
| 01:24:00,220 | 01:24:01,240 | 往上拉 |
| 01:24:01,680 | 01:24:03,680 | 圈圈把那個 |
| 01:24:03,680 | 01:24:04,680 | 據點把往後 |
| 01:24:04,680 | 01:24:05,680 | 據點刪掉 |
| 01:24:09,810 | 01:24:10,830 | OK好 |
| 01:24:12,170 | 01:24:13,170 | 好大家趕快看一下文字 |
| 01:24:13,170 | 01:24:16,170 | 不好意思我還是要提出一個專業建議 |
| 01:24:16,170 | 01:24:17,170 | 但你第二 |
| 01:24:17,170 | 01:24:18,170 | 心理健康教育裡面冒號 |
| 01:24:18,170 | 01:24:21,170 | 以建立學生心理健康之認知 |
| 01:24:21,170 | 01:24:22,170 | 下面應該叫 |
| 01:24:22,170 | 01:24:24,170 | 心理健康之認知 |
| 01:24:24,170 | 01:24:28,170 | 自我察覺能力就可以 |
| 01:24:28,170 | 01:24:29,170 | 我們沒有在叫什麼 |
| 01:24:29,170 | 01:24:30,170 | 自我身心健康之察覺 |
| 01:24:30,170 | 01:24:31,170 | 沒人這樣講 |
| 01:24:31,170 | 01:24:32,170 | 這自我察覺能力 |
| 01:24:32,170 | 01:24:35,170 | 就是包含身心健康的所有的部分 |
| 01:24:35,170 | 01:24:36,170 | 那叫自我 |
| 01:24:36,170 | 01:24:41,170 | 自我覺察能力 |
| 01:24:41,190 | 01:24:44,190 | 覺察能力 |
| 01:24:44,190 | 01:24:46,190 | 這樣就可以了 |
| 01:24:53,110 | 01:24:55,130 | 準備過程 |
| 01:24:56,420 | 01:24:58,420 | 我怎麼覺得最後那句乖乖 |
| 01:24:58,420 | 01:24:59,420 | 好來 |
| 01:24:59,420 | 01:25:01,420 | 心理健康教育冒號 |
| 01:25:01,420 | 01:25:03,420 | 以建立學生 |
| 01:25:03,420 | 01:25:04,420 | 這個以可不可以拿掉 |
| 01:25:08,050 | 01:25:09,050 | 就直接 |
| 01:25:09,050 | 01:25:11,050 | 建立正確自以實習慣 |
| 01:25:11,050 | 01:25:12,050 | 然後下面是 |
| 01:25:12,050 | 01:25:13,050 | 建立學生心理健康 |
| 01:25:14,730 | 01:25:16,730 | 下面對這個椅 |
| 01:25:16,730 | 01:25:17,730 | 拿掉 |
| 01:25:23,760 | 01:25:24,760 | 什麼事 |
| 01:25:24,760 | 01:25:25,760 | 什麼事 |
| 01:25:25,760 | 01:25:28,760 | 老師 |
| 01:25:28,760 | 01:25:30,760 | 老師弄到學生那個 |
| 01:25:30,760 | 01:25:32,760 | 學生弄老師那個 |
| 01:25:36,170 | 01:25:37,190 | 你好 |
| 01:25:37,830 | 01:25:38,850 | 好 |
| 01:25:39,130 | 01:25:41,150 | 我們是不是就照這個 |
| 01:25:47,260 | 01:25:48,280 | 可以嗎 |
| 01:25:51,380 | 01:25:53,380 | 我覺得那個學校因鼓勵學生 |
| 01:25:53,380 | 01:25:54,380 | 參與學校 |
| 01:25:54,380 | 01:25:57,380 | 那一句是不是應該把它放到最前 |
| 01:25:57,380 | 01:25:58,380 | 來這樣子 |
| 01:25:58,380 | 01:26:00,380 | 放到最前面 |
| 01:26:00,380 | 01:26:01,380 | 應該是放到那個 |
| 01:26:01,380 | 01:26:03,380 | 健康飲食教育冒號 |
| 01:26:03,380 | 01:26:05,380 | 學校因鼓勵學生 |
| 01:26:05,380 | 01:26:07,380 | 參與學生 |
| 01:26:07,380 | 01:26:08,380 | 好 |
| 01:26:08,380 | 01:26:09,380 | 國際委員 |
| 01:26:09,380 | 01:26:10,380 | 我這樣先講 |
| 01:26:10,380 | 01:26:11,380 | 因為剛好剛剛 |
| 01:26:11,380 | 01:26:12,380 | 教育部也有建議 |
| 01:26:12,380 | 01:26:13,380 | 我們是不是先休息一下 |
| 01:26:13,380 | 01:26:15,380 | 大概15分鐘 |
| 01:26:15,380 | 01:26:16,380 | 那大家把這文字先擂一下 |
| 01:26:16,380 | 01:26:17,380 | 更清楚 |
| 01:26:17,380 | 01:26:18,380 | 我們待會再來呈現 |
| 01:26:18,380 | 01:26:20,380 | 這樣子會不會比較順 |
| 01:26:20,400 | 01:26:21,400 | 那個 |
| 01:26:21,400 | 01:26:22,400 | 就這句講完 |
| 01:26:22,400 | 01:26:24,400 | 而且我順便再休息一下 |
| 01:26:24,400 | 01:26:26,400 | 大家把這個文字更凝聚 |
| 01:26:26,400 | 01:26:28,400 | 我怕等一下會有一些意外 |
| 01:26:28,780 | 01:26:31,780 | 我們現在先休息15分鐘 |
| 01:26:31,780 | 01:26:32,780 | 大家先凝聚一下 |
| 01:26:32,780 | 01:26:33,780 | 看看再多了解一下 |
| 01:26:33,780 | 01:26:35,780 | 有沒有這個文字上的疏漏 |
| 01:26:35,780 | 01:26:38,780 | 讓這個文字能夠更加的完善 |
| 01:26:38,780 | 01:26:40,780 | 好15分鐘後我們再回來開會 |
| 01:26:43,830 | 01:26:45,850 | 以建立 |
| 01:26:55,320 | 01:26:57,320 | 他現在在開桌了 |
| 01:26:57,320 | 01:26:59,320 | 他現在可以在這裏 |
| 01:26:59,320 | 01:27:01,320 | 他代理教室他在這 |
| 01:27:01,320 | 01:27:02,320 | 那個學生是很合作 |
| 01:27:02,320 | 01:27:03,320 | 他有情商 |
| 01:27:03,320 | 01:27:04,320 | 他是國小 |
| 01:27:04,320 | 01:27:06,320 | 他其實他應該也是課教學生 |
| 01:27:06,320 | 01:27:08,320 | 因為後面還有一條會 |
| 01:27:08,320 | 01:27:10,320 | 用到那個煙台防治法 |
| 01:27:10,320 | 01:27:12,320 | 還有就是另外一條 |
| 01:27:12,320 | 01:27:13,320 | 他那個資料 |
| 01:27:13,320 | 01:27:15,320 | 他就去上體檔課 |
| 01:27:15,320 | 01:27:17,320 | 那那個學生很抗拒 |
| 01:27:17,320 | 01:27:19,320 | 所以他情緒很不便 |
| 01:27:19,320 | 01:27:21,320 | 我覺得他們情緒也沒有什麼問題 |
| 01:27:21,320 | 01:27:23,320 | 而且他有一個代理教室 |
| 01:27:23,340 | 01:27:27,340 | 因為我們待會兒再沒有一條 |
| 01:27:27,340 | 01:27:29,340 | 就是那個 |
| 01:27:29,340 | 01:27:31,340 | 那裏有很多授長 |
| 01:27:31,340 | 01:27:33,340 | 舉復會委員的那個 |
| 01:27:33,340 | 01:27:35,340 | 代理教室 |
| 01:27:35,340 | 01:27:37,340 | 對 |
| 01:27:37,340 | 01:27:39,340 | 就是有一個 |
| 01:27:39,340 | 01:27:41,340 | 他們剛進去的時辰 |
| 01:27:41,340 | 01:27:43,340 | 還沒有去修那個 |
| 01:27:43,340 | 01:27:44,340 | 課教 |
| 01:27:44,340 | 01:27:46,340 | 我們可能沒有心理準備 |
| 01:27:46,340 | 01:27:48,340 | 他們不知道班上的同學為什麼 |
| 01:27:48,340 | 01:27:49,340 | 他一去就很安安 |
| 01:27:49,340 | 01:27:51,340 | 他說他從第一天上課就這樣子 |
| 01:27:51,360 | 01:27:54,360 | 這個是他第幾天上課發生的事 |
| 01:27:54,360 | 01:27:55,360 | 輔導課 |
| 01:27:55,360 | 01:27:56,360 | 輔導課才一年半 |
| 01:27:56,360 | 01:27:58,360 | 好像7月27號 |
| 01:27:58,360 | 01:28:00,360 | 他應該是 |
| 01:28:00,360 | 01:28:01,360 | 他沒辦法 |
| 01:28:01,360 | 01:28:03,360 | 沒有去預知 |
| 01:28:03,360 | 01:28:05,360 | 沒有辦法預知他的行為 |
| 01:28:05,360 | 01:28:08,360 | 他是拿什麼東西做到老實 |
| 01:28:08,360 | 01:28:09,360 | 授長 |
| 01:28:09,360 | 01:28:11,360 | 教室後面的授長 |
| 01:28:11,360 | 01:28:13,360 | 就是委員要給他 |
| 01:28:13,360 | 01:28:16,360 | 叫他授長 |
| 01:28:16,360 | 01:28:19,360 | 叫他授長就要去掙 |
| 01:28:19,380 | 01:28:20,380 | 我給他授長說 |
| 01:28:20,380 | 01:28:24,380 | 現在各縣市都有特殊學校 |
| 01:28:24,380 | 01:28:26,380 | 特殊教育有時候 |
| 01:28:26,380 | 01:28:28,380 | 醫師主要到來的時候 |
| 01:28:28,380 | 01:28:30,380 | 都沒有在處理 |
| 01:28:30,380 | 01:28:32,380 | 應該是一些中介教育 |
| 01:28:32,380 | 01:28:34,380 | 可以用到你自己的教育 |
| 01:28:34,380 | 01:28:36,380 | 應該是 |
| 01:28:36,380 | 01:28:38,380 | 怎麼比你公司 |
| 01:28:38,380 | 01:28:41,380 | 有一個特殊學校 |
| 01:28:41,380 | 01:28:43,380 | 特教學校 |
| 01:28:43,380 | 01:28:45,380 | 以兵成功是中重度 |
| 01:28:45,400 | 01:28:46,400 | 對 |
| 01:28:46,400 | 01:28:47,400 | 輕度的 |
| 01:28:47,400 | 01:28:48,400 | 都在 |
| 01:28:48,400 | 01:28:49,400 | 他會說 |
| 01:28:49,400 | 01:28:51,400 | 這種情緒才會比較嚴重 |
| 01:28:51,400 | 01:28:53,400 | 因為他會嚴重 |
| 01:28:53,400 | 01:28:55,400 | 這種重度會比較嚴重 |
| 01:28:55,400 | 01:28:57,400 | 所以我們會當 |
| 01:28:57,400 | 01:28:59,400 | 特殊學校增加醫學的導師 |
| 01:28:59,400 | 01:29:01,400 | 真的一直討厭 |
| 01:29:01,400 | 01:29:02,400 | 我都失望 |
| 01:29:02,400 | 01:29:04,400 | 學校還是有一些中介課 |
| 01:29:04,400 | 01:29:06,400 | 如果真的不老師 |
| 01:29:06,400 | 01:29:07,400 | 可以去到特殊教育 |
| 01:29:07,400 | 01:29:09,400 | 教師會來討厭 |
| 01:29:09,400 | 01:29:10,400 | 現在主要是 |
| 01:29:10,400 | 01:29:11,400 | 現在自相知道 |
| 01:29:11,400 | 01:29:12,400 | 社工都沒有 |
| 01:29:12,400 | 01:29:14,400 | 特殊學校環境也比較大 |
| 01:29:14,420 | 01:29:15,420 | 還多 |
| 01:29:16,420 | 01:29:17,420 | 也比較多 |
| 01:29:17,420 | 01:29:18,420 | 我不能喝 |
| 01:29:19,500 | 01:29:20,500 | 不然現在 |
| 01:29:20,500 | 01:29:22,500 | 人家說會特別討厭 |
| 01:29:22,500 | 01:29:23,500 | 我老婆學的 |
| 01:29:23,500 | 01:29:24,500 | 人家說你不講 |
| 01:29:24,500 | 01:29:25,500 | 就算你一個人去 |
| 01:29:25,500 | 01:29:26,500 | 都對你不管 |
| 01:29:26,500 | 01:29:27,500 | 其實他老是都夠 |
| 01:29:30,990 | 01:29:31,990 | 我們就跟他講 |
| 01:29:31,990 | 01:29:32,990 | 所以 |
| 01:29:32,990 | 01:29:34,990 | 請問他現在 |
| 01:29:34,990 | 01:29:35,990 | 他不願意上學 |
| 01:29:35,990 | 01:29:36,990 | 就要去哪裡 |
| 01:29:36,990 | 01:29:37,990 | 不是 |
| 01:29:37,990 | 01:29:38,990 | 就是說 |
| 01:29:38,990 | 01:29:39,990 | 他家長都沒有在 |
| 01:29:39,990 | 01:29:40,990 | 他說 |
| 01:29:40,990 | 01:29:41,990 | 我們現在說 |
| 01:29:41,990 | 01:29:42,990 | 現在是可以 |
| 01:29:42,990 | 01:29:43,990 | 離開教室 |
| 01:29:43,990 | 01:29:44,990 | 我們現在是說 |
| 01:29:44,990 | 01:29:45,990 | 真的你講 |
| 01:29:45,990 | 01:29:46,990 | 你講 |
| 01:29:46,990 | 01:29:47,990 | 都需要 |
| 01:29:47,990 | 01:29:48,990 | 他現在有學校 |
| 01:29:48,990 | 01:29:49,990 | 如果在社區 |
| 01:29:49,990 | 01:29:51,990 | 他需要更多資源 |
| 01:29:51,990 | 01:29:53,990 | 他有比較好的教科 |
| 01:29:53,990 | 01:29:54,990 | 對 |
| 01:29:54,990 | 01:29:55,990 | 其實這樣子 |
| 01:29:55,990 | 01:29:57,990 | 其實又會 |
| 01:29:57,990 | 01:29:58,990 | 變得更幸福 |
| 01:29:59,010 | 01:30:01,010 | 大家就會把 |
| 01:30:01,010 | 01:30:03,010 | 學生的行為放大 |
| 01:30:03,010 | 01:30:04,010 | 然後一直 |
| 01:30:04,010 | 01:30:05,010 | 一直攻擊這個社區 |
| 01:30:05,010 | 01:30:06,010 | 我們現在連續 |
| 01:30:06,010 | 01:30:07,010 | 24小時 |
| 01:30:07,010 | 01:30:08,010 | 一直接 |
| 01:30:08,010 | 01:30:10,010 | 現在一直留 |
| 01:30:10,010 | 01:30:11,010 | 比你這種 |
| 01:30:11,010 | 01:30:12,010 | 專台灣 |
| 01:30:12,010 | 01:30:13,010 | 大家都好教科 |
| 01:30:13,010 | 01:30:14,010 | 對 |
| 01:30:14,010 | 01:30:15,010 | 對教科 |
| 01:30:15,010 | 01:30:16,010 | 會有影響 |
| 01:41:27,280 | 01:41:28,300 | 謝謝 |
| 01:41:29,750 | 01:41:30,770 | 謝謝 |
| 01:41:43,550 | 01:41:44,570 | 好 現在開會 |
| 01:41:45,930 | 01:41:46,930 | 剛剛條文 |
| 01:41:46,930 | 01:41:47,930 | 打在螢幕上的 |
| 01:41:47,930 | 01:41:48,930 | 麻煩呈現 |
| 01:41:48,930 | 01:41:50,930 | 請醫事人員宣讀 |
| 01:41:52,830 | 01:41:53,850 | 第16條 |
| 01:42:22,830 | 01:42:23,850 | 第17條 |
| 01:42:37,860 | 01:42:39,860 | 以促進學生心理健康 |
| 01:42:39,860 | 01:42:40,860 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 01:42:40,860 | 01:42:41,860 | 好 |
| 01:42:41,860 | 01:42:43,860 | 我們剛剛都有 |
| 01:42:43,860 | 01:42:44,860 | 透過休息的時候 |
| 01:42:44,860 | 01:42:45,860 | 也凝聚共識 |
| 01:42:45,860 | 01:42:47,860 | 那我們是不是就修正通過 |
| 01:42:48,960 | 01:42:49,980 | 好 修正通過 |
| 01:42:50,800 | 01:42:51,800 | 接下來 |
| 01:42:51,800 | 01:42:52,800 | 第17條條文修正 |
| 01:42:52,800 | 01:42:53,800 | 由 |
| 01:42:53,800 | 01:42:54,800 | 魯明哲 |
| 01:42:54,800 | 01:42:55,800 | 等18人8個提案 |
| 01:42:57,450 | 01:42:58,470 | 請聽安委員 |
| 01:42:59,810 | 01:43:00,830 | 發現 |
| 01:43:14,740 | 01:43:15,760 | 好 我們先請 |
| 01:43:18,810 | 01:43:19,830 | 再不說明 |
| 01:43:20,200 | 01:43:21,200 | 謝謝 |
| 01:43:21,200 | 01:43:23,200 | 謝謝張委還有各位委員 |
| 01:43:23,200 | 01:43:24,200 | 根據 |
| 01:43:25,190 | 01:43:26,190 | 16條 |
| 01:43:26,190 | 01:43:27,190 | 延伸下來的 |
| 01:43:27,190 | 01:43:29,190 | 我們17條 |
| 01:43:29,190 | 01:43:31,190 | 同意在那個 |
| 01:43:31,190 | 01:43:32,190 | 第二項 |
| 01:43:32,190 | 01:43:33,190 | 主管機關 |
| 01:43:33,190 | 01:43:34,190 | 或學校 |
| 01:43:34,190 | 01:43:35,190 | 得室 |
| 01:43:35,190 | 01:43:36,190 | 實際需要 |
| 01:43:36,190 | 01:43:37,190 | 見送教師 |
| 01:43:37,190 | 01:43:38,190 | 參加 |
| 01:43:38,190 | 01:43:39,190 | 衛生 |
| 01:43:39,640 | 01:43:40,640 | 及 |
| 01:43:40,640 | 01:43:41,640 | 心理健康 |
| 01:43:41,640 | 01:43:42,640 | 課程 |
| 01:43:42,640 | 01:43:43,640 | 進修 |
| 01:43:43,840 | 01:43:45,840 | 所以我可以解讀說是 |
| 01:43:45,840 | 01:43:46,840 | 跟 |
| 01:43:46,840 | 01:43:47,840 | 柯志恩委員差不多嗎 |
| 01:43:47,840 | 01:43:48,840 | 是 |
| 01:43:48,950 | 01:43:50,950 | 因為這是延續16條下來 |
| 01:43:50,950 | 01:43:51,950 | OK |
| 01:43:51,950 | 01:43:52,950 | 那我看好像 |
| 01:43:52,950 | 01:43:53,950 | 魯明哲 |
| 01:43:53,950 | 01:43:54,950 | 林一錦 |
| 01:43:54,950 | 01:43:55,950 | 柯志恩委員 |
| 01:43:55,950 | 01:43:56,950 | 都是一樣的 |
| 01:43:56,950 | 01:43:57,950 | 好 |
| 01:43:59,010 | 01:44:01,010 | 好 那我們就 |
| 01:44:01,010 | 01:44:02,010 | 決議第17條 |
| 01:44:02,010 | 01:44:03,010 | 趙委員 |
| 01:44:03,010 | 01:44:04,010 | 魯明哲 |
| 01:44:04,010 | 01:44:05,010 | 林一錦 |
| 01:44:05,010 | 01:44:06,010 | 柯志恩 |
| 01:44:06,010 | 01:44:07,010 | 陳金輝 |
| 01:44:07,010 | 01:44:08,010 | 吳立華 |
| 01:44:08,010 | 01:44:09,010 | 羅志強 |
| 01:44:09,010 | 01:44:10,010 | 羅庭偉 |
| 01:44:10,010 | 01:44:11,010 | 等相關人等 |
| 01:44:11,010 | 01:44:13,010 | 還有台灣民眾黨 |
| 01:44:13,940 | 01:44:14,940 | 台灣民眾黨黨團 |
| 01:44:14,940 | 01:44:15,940 | 沒有沒有 |
| 01:44:15,940 | 01:44:16,940 | 好 |
| 01:44:16,940 | 01:44:17,940 | 提案通過 |
| 01:44:19,470 | 01:44:20,490 | 他有嗎 |
| 01:44:21,520 | 01:44:22,540 | 不太一樣 |
| 01:44:23,440 | 01:44:24,460 | 不太一樣呢 |
| 01:44:27,140 | 01:44:28,160 | 內容不一樣 |
| 01:44:30,700 | 01:44:31,700 | 他的字還是有差 |
| 01:44:31,700 | 01:44:32,700 | 對啊 所以不能夠 |
| 01:44:32,700 | 01:44:33,700 | 宣讀他的 |
| 01:44:34,730 | 01:44:35,730 | 不好意思 |
| 01:44:35,730 | 01:44:36,730 | 好 |
| 01:44:36,730 | 01:44:37,730 | 有些微的差距 |
| 01:44:38,660 | 01:44:40,660 | 但是都大同小異 |
| 01:44:40,660 | 01:44:41,660 | 但是我們 |
| 01:44:41,660 | 01:44:42,660 | 不是修正通過 |
| 01:44:42,660 | 01:44:43,660 | 我們是照案通過 |
| 01:44:43,660 | 01:44:44,660 | 好 |
| 01:44:44,660 | 01:44:45,660 | 建議 |
| 01:44:45,660 | 01:44:47,660 | 對不起 我再請教一下 |
| 01:44:47,660 | 01:44:48,640 | 我們是要用 |
| 01:44:48,640 | 01:44:49,660 | 脊還是頓號 |
| 01:44:49,660 | 01:44:50,660 | 什麼東西 |
| 01:44:50,660 | 01:44:51,660 | 衛生 |
| 01:44:51,660 | 01:44:52,660 | 頓號 |
| 01:44:52,660 | 01:44:53,660 | 還是脊 |
| 01:45:00,450 | 01:45:01,450 | 委員的提案 |
| 01:45:01,450 | 01:45:02,450 | 基本上都是頓號 |
| 01:45:02,450 | 01:45:03,450 | 好 |
| 01:45:03,450 | 01:45:04,450 | 我們用頓號 |
| 01:45:04,450 | 01:45:05,450 | 謝謝 |
| 01:45:05,450 | 01:45:06,450 | 好17條 |
| 01:45:06,450 | 01:45:08,450 | 趙相關委員 |
| 01:45:08,450 | 01:45:09,450 | 提案通過 |
| 01:45:10,780 | 01:45:11,780 | 這個 |
| 01:45:11,780 | 01:45:12,780 | 我是支持這個 |
| 01:45:12,780 | 01:45:14,780 | 修的條文的文字 |
| 01:45:14,780 | 01:45:15,780 | 但是我覺得 |
| 01:45:15,780 | 01:45:16,780 | 更重要的是 |
| 01:45:16,780 | 01:45:17,780 | 要請教育部 |
| 01:45:17,780 | 01:45:18,780 | 你要確實的 |
| 01:45:18,780 | 01:45:19,780 | 把這些相關的 |
| 01:45:19,780 | 01:45:20,780 | 課程 |
| 01:45:20,780 | 01:45:21,780 | 跟資源要把它 |
| 01:45:21,780 | 01:45:22,780 | 開設出來 |
| 01:45:22,780 | 01:45:23,780 | 否則我們訂了 |
| 01:45:23,780 | 01:45:24,780 | 這個文字 |
| 01:45:24,780 | 01:45:25,780 | 如果沒有相關的 |
| 01:45:25,780 | 01:45:26,780 | 課程跟資源 |
| 01:45:26,780 | 01:45:27,780 | 給老師的話 |
| 01:45:27,780 | 01:45:28,780 | 其實沒有辦法 |
| 01:45:28,780 | 01:45:29,780 | 協助他們 |
| 01:45:29,780 | 01:45:30,780 | 提升心理健康的進修 |
| 01:45:30,780 | 01:45:31,780 | 所以這個部分 |
| 01:45:31,780 | 01:45:32,780 | 要拜託教育部 |
| 01:45:32,780 | 01:45:33,780 | 要務必 |
| 01:45:33,780 | 01:45:34,780 | 這些課程 |
| 01:45:34,780 | 01:45:35,780 | 實質上的 |
| 01:45:35,780 | 01:45:36,780 | 要去把它增加 |
| 01:45:36,780 | 01:45:37,780 | 謝謝 |
| 01:45:37,780 | 01:45:38,780 | 好 委員的建議 |
| 01:45:38,780 | 01:45:39,780 | 請教育部採納 |
| 01:45:39,800 | 01:45:40,800 | 委員有擔憂的話 |
| 01:45:40,800 | 01:45:42,800 | 也可以透過修正動議 |
| 01:45:42,800 | 01:45:43,800 | 對不起 |
| 01:45:43,800 | 01:45:44,800 | 也可以透過附帶決議 |
| 01:45:44,800 | 01:45:46,800 | 來保障 |
| 01:45:46,800 | 01:45:47,800 | 那委員可以參考 |
| 01:45:47,800 | 01:45:48,800 | 我們都可以等委員提案 |
| 01:45:48,800 | 01:45:50,800 | 那也請 |
| 01:45:50,800 | 01:45:51,800 | 教育部參採 |
| 01:45:51,800 | 01:45:53,800 | 剛剛委員所提之建議 |
| 01:45:55,380 | 01:45:57,380 | 第十九條 |
| 01:45:57,380 | 01:45:58,380 | 條文修正有 |
| 01:45:58,380 | 01:45:59,380 | 委員翁曉琳 |
| 01:45:59,380 | 01:46:00,380 | 徐富奎 |
| 01:46:00,980 | 01:46:02,000 | 登 |
| 01:46:03,210 | 01:46:05,210 | 以及台灣民眾黨 |
| 01:46:05,210 | 01:46:06,210 | 黨團三個提案 |
| 01:46:06,940 | 01:46:08,940 | 以及委員吳立華 |
| 01:46:08,940 | 01:46:09,940 | 所提修正動議 |
| 01:46:11,520 | 01:46:12,540 | 第十九條 |
| 01:46:16,350 | 01:46:17,350 | 請教育部直接說明好嗎 |
| 01:46:17,350 | 01:46:18,350 | 謝謝 |
| 01:46:23,690 | 01:46:24,690 | 因為你好像有參採 |
| 01:46:24,690 | 01:46:26,690 | 徐富奎 翁曉琳 |
| 01:46:26,690 | 01:46:27,690 | 台灣民眾黨所提 |
| 01:46:27,690 | 01:46:28,690 | 建議文字 |
| 01:46:28,690 | 01:46:30,690 | 麻煩你呈現出螢幕 |
| 01:46:30,690 | 01:46:31,690 | 然後跟大家說明 |
| 01:46:33,800 | 01:46:36,800 | 謝謝召委還有各位委員 |
| 01:46:36,800 | 01:46:38,800 | 那十九條的部分 |
| 01:46:38,800 | 01:46:40,800 | 原則上我們是可以 |
| 01:46:40,800 | 01:46:42,800 | 參採那個 |
| 01:46:42,800 | 01:46:44,800 | 那個委員的意見 |
| 01:46:44,800 | 01:46:47,800 | 還有那個吳立華委員的 |
| 01:46:47,800 | 01:46:48,800 | 修正動議 |
| 01:46:48,800 | 01:46:49,800 | 增列 |
| 01:46:50,980 | 01:46:51,980 | 增列第二項 |
| 01:46:51,980 | 01:46:55,980 | 學校對影響學生健康之物品 |
| 01:46:55,980 | 01:46:57,980 | 或行為得適時管理 |
| 01:46:57,980 | 01:46:59,980 | 或限制其使用 |
| 01:46:59,980 | 01:47:01,980 | 其管理規範 |
| 01:47:01,980 | 01:47:03,980 | 應經校務會議通過 |
| 01:47:05,510 | 01:47:07,510 | 欸 這是委員的 |
| 01:47:07,510 | 01:47:08,510 | 對 |
| 01:47:08,510 | 01:47:10,510 | 你半個影子念 |
| 01:47:10,510 | 01:47:12,510 | 對對對 |
| 01:47:12,510 | 01:47:14,510 | 那個委員後面 |
| 01:47:14,510 | 01:47:16,510 | 有加那個 |
| 01:47:16,510 | 01:47:17,510 | 其管理規範 |
| 01:47:17,510 | 01:47:19,510 | 及校務會議通過後公告 |
| 01:47:20,800 | 01:47:22,820 | 並報主管機關備查 |
| 01:47:24,170 | 01:47:26,170 | 這吳委員的 |
| 01:47:26,170 | 01:47:28,170 | 我們 |
| 01:47:28,170 | 01:47:30,170 | 參採 |
| 01:47:30,170 | 01:47:32,170 | 上面的條文就好 |
| 01:47:34,100 | 01:47:36,100 | 所以吳委員 |
| 01:47:36,100 | 01:47:37,100 | 就好 |
| 01:47:37,100 | 01:47:39,100 | 好好好 |
| 01:47:40,980 | 01:47:42,980 | 我我我我好 ok 出席 |
| 01:47:42,980 | 01:47:43,980 | 臨近委員 |
| 01:47:45,640 | 01:47:46,640 | 這個第一 |
| 01:47:46,640 | 01:47:48,640 | 這一條其實我我是 |
| 01:47:48,640 | 01:47:51,640 | 支持這個徐富奎委員的版本 |
| 01:47:51,640 | 01:47:53,640 | 那我們來看徐富奎委員的版本 |
| 01:47:53,640 | 01:47:54,640 | 他 |
| 01:47:54,640 | 01:47:55,640 | 他是有寫 |
| 01:47:55,640 | 01:47:57,640 | 就是增加的 |
| 01:47:57,640 | 01:47:58,640 | 就是 |
| 01:47:58,640 | 01:48:02,640 | 學校對影響學生健康之物品或行為 |
| 01:48:02,640 | 01:48:04,640 | 那可是我後面我 |
| 01:48:04,640 | 01:48:06,640 | 我個人想要增加說 |
| 01:48:06,640 | 01:48:07,640 | 避免成立 |
| 01:48:07,640 | 01:48:08,640 | 然後 |
| 01:48:08,640 | 01:48:10,640 | 得適時管理或限制 |
| 01:48:10,640 | 01:48:12,640 | 其使用 |
| 01:48:12,640 | 01:48:13,640 | 那 |
| 01:48:13,660 | 01:48:15,660 | 為什麼要這樣子加 |
| 01:48:15,660 | 01:48:17,660 | 避免成癮這個文字 |
| 01:48:17,660 | 01:48:19,660 | 因為我剛在16條的時候 |
| 01:48:19,660 | 01:48:20,660 | 我剛就有發言說 |
| 01:48:20,660 | 01:48:21,660 | 其實 |
| 01:48:21,660 | 01:48:23,660 | 我的版本是還有這個 |
| 01:48:23,660 | 01:48:24,660 | 呃 |
| 01:48:24,660 | 01:48:25,660 | 這個成 |
| 01:48:25,660 | 01:48:27,660 | 成癮物質的防止 |
| 01:48:27,660 | 01:48:28,660 | 防治教育 |
| 01:48:28,660 | 01:48:30,660 | 可是當然我們剛剛沒有那個 |
| 01:48:30,660 | 01:48:31,660 | 列列下去 |
| 01:48:31,660 | 01:48:33,660 | 可是我覺得在這部分 |
| 01:48:33,660 | 01:48:35,660 | 可以對於這個成癮物質 |
| 01:48:35,660 | 01:48:37,660 | 的這個防治 |
| 01:48:37,660 | 01:48:40,660 | 有一些這個文字上的這個名文規定 |
| 01:48:40,660 | 01:48:41,660 | 那所以 |
| 01:48:41,680 | 01:48:43,680 | 我在19條這邊 |
| 01:48:43,680 | 01:48:44,680 | 有建議這樣的文字 |
| 01:48:44,680 | 01:48:46,680 | 就是或行為 |
| 01:48:46,680 | 01:48:47,680 | 後面 |
| 01:48:47,680 | 01:48:48,680 | 噸號 |
| 01:48:48,680 | 01:48:49,680 | 噸號 |
| 01:48:49,680 | 01:48:51,680 | 然後避免成癮 |
| 01:48:51,680 | 01:48:52,680 | 然後 |
| 01:48:52,680 | 01:48:53,680 | 噸號 |
| 01:48:53,680 | 01:48:54,680 | 然後得 |
| 01:48:54,680 | 01:48:55,680 | 就是徐富奎的版本 |
| 01:48:55,680 | 01:48:56,680 | 得適時管理 |
| 01:48:56,680 | 01:48:57,680 | 或限制 |
| 01:48:57,680 | 01:48:59,680 | 其使用 |
| 01:49:00,310 | 01:49:01,330 | 以上 |
| 01:49:41,000 | 01:49:43,000 | 以上言論不代表本台立場 |
| 01:49:43,000 | 01:49:45,000 | 而是其他人的評論 |
| 01:49:45,000 | 01:49:47,000 | 也許可以參考 |
| 01:49:47,000 | 01:49:49,000 | 請不吝點贊訂閱轉發打賞 |
| 01:49:49,000 | 01:49:51,000 | 並且打開旁邊的小鈴鐺 |
| 01:49:51,000 | 01:49:52,240 | 以便接收更多 |
| 01:49:52,240 | 01:49:53,240 | 最新消息時刻 |
| 01:49:53,240 | 01:49:54,740 | 更多影片通知 |
| 01:49:54,740 | 01:49:55,740 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:50:01,480 | 01:50:03,480 | 在或行為 |
| 01:50:03,480 | 01:50:04,480 | 噸號後面加 |
| 01:50:04,480 | 01:50:05,480 | 避免成癮 |
| 01:50:14,680 | 01:50:15,680 | 也是手機 |
| 01:50:15,680 | 01:50:17,680 | 對手機也是避免成癮 |
| 01:50:17,680 | 01:50:19,680 | 就是你這個是就廣泛 |
| 01:50:19,680 | 01:50:22,680 | 對於影響學生健康的物品或行為 |
| 01:50:22,680 | 01:50:24,680 | 避免成癮然後適時管制這樣 |
| 01:50:25,850 | 01:50:27,850 | 大家參賽看看 |
| 01:50:27,910 | 01:50:28,910 | 好來 |
| 01:50:36,310 | 01:50:37,310 | 好 |
| 01:50:37,390 | 01:50:39,390 | 那個我是不是也幫 |
| 01:50:39,390 | 01:50:41,390 | 吳立華委員的文字先加上喔 |
| 01:50:41,390 | 01:50:42,390 | 這個 |
| 01:50:43,260 | 01:50:45,260 | 獻旗 |
| 01:50:46,030 | 01:50:47,030 | 使用 |
| 01:50:47,500 | 01:50:49,500 | 據點改成 |
| 01:50:49,500 | 01:50:50,500 | 噸號 |
| 01:50:57,080 | 01:50:59,080 | 奇異管理規範 |
| 01:51:02,530 | 01:51:03,530 | 引進 |
| 01:51:04,780 | 01:51:06,780 | 效誤會議通過 |
| 01:51:06,780 | 01:51:07,780 | 後 |
| 01:51:08,220 | 01:51:09,220 | 公告 |
| 01:51:15,030 | 01:51:18,030 | 鬥點並報主管機關備查 |
| 01:51:18,030 | 01:51:20,030 | 以上文字先全數 |
| 01:51:20,030 | 01:51:21,030 | 呈現在 |
| 01:51:21,030 | 01:51:23,030 | 螢幕上請 |
| 01:51:23,030 | 01:51:25,030 | 各位委員提供意見 |
| 01:51:26,630 | 01:51:28,630 | 吳立華委員先 |
| 01:51:28,630 | 01:51:29,630 | 再來蔡村總委員 |
| 01:51:29,630 | 01:51:30,630 | 吳思耀委員 |
| 01:51:32,070 | 01:51:33,070 | 好 |
| 01:51:33,070 | 01:51:36,070 | 我這個部分的修正動議是 |
| 01:51:36,070 | 01:51:38,070 | 支持 |
| 01:51:38,340 | 01:51:40,340 | 徐富奎委員的版本 |
| 01:51:40,340 | 01:51:42,340 | 只是有一些些疑慮 |
| 01:51:42,340 | 01:51:48,340 | 就是針對學校對影響學生健康之物品或行為 |
| 01:51:48,340 | 01:51:52,340 | 那因為我覺得這個範圍可以很大 |
| 01:51:52,340 | 01:51:53,340 | 有可能 |
| 01:51:53,340 | 01:51:55,340 | 飲料啊 |
| 01:51:55,340 | 01:51:57,340 | 可能什麼運動器材 |
| 01:51:57,340 | 01:52:00,340 | 手機什麼都可以放進去 |
| 01:52:00,340 | 01:52:03,340 | 那而且後面如果直接說管 |
| 01:52:03,340 | 01:52:04,340 | 管 |
| 01:52:04,340 | 01:52:06,340 | 適時管理或限制 |
| 01:52:06,340 | 01:52:07,340 | 其使用 |
| 01:52:07,340 | 01:52:09,340 | 那就是擔心我只是覺得說 |
| 01:52:09,340 | 01:52:10,340 | 我同意 |
| 01:52:10,340 | 01:52:12,340 | 但是怕空白授權 |
| 01:52:12,340 | 01:52:14,340 | 造成困擾 |
| 01:52:14,340 | 01:52:17,340 | 所以呢就是希望後面提到說 |
| 01:52:17,340 | 01:52:18,340 | 其管理規範 |
| 01:52:18,340 | 01:52:21,340 | 是不是要經過效誤會議通過 |
| 01:52:21,340 | 01:52:24,340 | 那這個部分我覺得可以給大家討論 |
| 01:52:24,340 | 01:52:26,340 | 我只是覺得怕空白授權 |
| 01:52:26,340 | 01:52:27,340 | 謝謝 |
| 01:52:27,340 | 01:52:28,340 | 好下一位陳先生總委員 |
| 01:52:29,340 | 01:52:31,340 | 我針對這一條 |
| 01:52:31,340 | 01:52:33,340 | 那這邊呢 |
| 01:52:33,340 | 01:52:39,340 | 第三行的影響學生的這個地方 |
| 01:52:39,340 | 01:52:44,340 | 那我們本黨我們是以學生年齡還有學習階段 |
| 01:52:44,340 | 01:52:47,340 | 這個地方我要做一個說明就是說 |
| 01:52:47,340 | 01:52:49,340 | 因為年齡呢 |
| 01:52:49,340 | 01:52:51,340 | 他規範的一定是不一樣 |
| 01:52:51,340 | 01:52:53,340 | 而且呢 |
| 01:52:53,340 | 01:52:54,340 | 學習的階段不一樣 |
| 01:52:54,340 | 01:52:58,340 | 他所會受影響的也會有不一樣 |
| 01:52:58,340 | 01:53:02,340 | 所以在這個地方我們就增加了一個學生年齡 |
| 01:53:02,340 | 01:53:05,340 | 還有學習階段 |
| 01:53:05,340 | 01:53:07,340 | 校園實際的需要 |
| 01:53:07,340 | 01:53:11,340 | 來訂這一項這樣的一個原則 |
| 01:53:21,380 | 01:53:23,380 | 文字都先呈現喔 |
| 01:53:23,380 | 01:53:25,380 | 待會我們來共同討論喔 |
| 01:53:33,210 | 01:53:38,210 | 好現在委員相關建議都已經呈現在螢幕上喔 |
| 01:53:38,210 | 01:53:41,210 | 待會由教育部統一的來回答我知道 |
| 01:53:43,370 | 01:53:44,370 | 請大家都 |
| 01:53:45,970 | 01:53:47,970 | 為避免 |
| 01:53:49,680 | 01:53:50,680 | 為避免 |
| 01:53:51,960 | 01:53:52,960 | E |
| 01:53:52,820 | 01:53:53,820 | 以避免成也 |
| 01:53:54,960 | 01:53:56,960 | 應該是後面啊 |
| 01:53:56,960 | 01:53:58,960 | 你要影響學生的健康 |
| 01:53:58,960 | 01:54:01,960 | 是要避免他的成癮 |
| 01:54:01,960 | 01:54:04,960 | 你前面那一段是E |
| 01:54:04,960 | 01:54:06,960 | 那你要為避免成也要後段 |
| 01:54:06,960 | 01:54:07,960 | 所以你應該用E |
| 01:54:07,960 | 01:54:08,960 | 然後後面是E |
| 01:54:08,960 | 01:54:09,960 | 好以避免成也 |
| 01:54:09,960 | 01:54:11,960 | 好我們先請那個校委員發言 |
| 01:54:11,960 | 01:54:13,960 | 我們後面再來統一 |
| 01:54:13,960 | 01:54:16,960 | 來做這個文字的徵修三檢喔 |
| 01:54:16,960 | 01:54:17,960 | 好來 |
| 01:54:17,960 | 01:54:18,960 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 01:54:18,960 | 01:54:20,960 | 我覺得那個 |
| 01:54:22,380 | 01:54:24,380 | 其實富奎委員的版本 |
| 01:54:24,380 | 01:54:25,380 | 跟民眾黨黨團的版本 |
| 01:54:25,380 | 01:54:28,380 | 我覺得我們都可以好好來參彩一下啦 |
| 01:54:28,380 | 01:54:32,380 | 因為這個條文大概幾個爭點嘛 |
| 01:54:32,380 | 01:54:36,380 | 第一個什麼事情應當管理 |
| 01:54:36,380 | 01:54:38,380 | 對不對我們怕包山包海 |
| 01:54:38,380 | 01:54:41,380 | 去侵犯了學生的自主權 |
| 01:54:41,380 | 01:54:42,380 | 所以也不應當 |
| 01:54:42,380 | 01:54:46,380 | 所以那個認定機制怎麼樣讓他可以避免 |
| 01:54:46,380 | 01:54:48,380 | 大家覺得說你學校管太多 |
| 01:54:48,380 | 01:54:49,380 | 這個不應該管 |
| 01:54:49,380 | 01:54:51,380 | 或是學校沒有與時俱進 |
| 01:54:51,380 | 01:54:53,380 | 我覺得到底什麼事情要管 |
| 01:54:53,380 | 01:54:54,380 | 如何管 |
| 01:54:54,380 | 01:54:57,380 | 我覺得是兩個重要的課題 |
| 01:54:57,380 | 01:54:59,380 | 那我先講民眾黨黨團 |
| 01:54:59,380 | 01:55:00,380 | 剛剛村丑委員提的 |
| 01:55:00,380 | 01:55:02,380 | 我覺得他的第二項 |
| 01:55:02,380 | 01:55:04,380 | 我們也許可以參彩一下是說 |
| 01:55:04,380 | 01:55:08,380 | 我覺得現在富奎委員直接用管理 |
| 01:55:08,380 | 01:55:09,380 | 我覺得管理之前加個輔導 |
| 01:55:09,380 | 01:55:10,380 | 我是可以接受啦 |
| 01:55:10,380 | 01:55:12,380 | 不要凡事就跟你管理 |
| 01:55:12,380 | 01:55:15,380 | 因為學校衛生法從國小到大學研究所 |
| 01:55:15,380 | 01:55:16,380 | 都在校園都要 |
| 01:55:16,380 | 01:55:20,380 | 好應當還是有一個輔導 |
| 01:55:20,380 | 01:55:22,380 | 然後再管理 |
| 01:55:22,380 | 01:55:23,380 | 然後後來才限制 |
| 01:55:23,380 | 01:55:25,380 | 我覺得應該要有這三層 |
| 01:55:25,380 | 01:55:27,380 | 那民眾黨的版本 |
| 01:55:27,380 | 01:55:30,380 | 後面是有一個更嚴謹的是說 |
| 01:55:30,380 | 01:55:32,380 | 因為我剛剛講學校衛生法適用是從 |
| 01:55:32,380 | 01:55:35,380 | 國小一直到大學 |
| 01:55:35,380 | 01:55:37,380 | 所以依不同的年齡層 |
| 01:55:37,380 | 01:55:41,380 | 可能在物品本身的使用 |
| 01:55:41,380 | 01:55:43,380 | 是否影響了學生的健康 |
| 01:55:43,380 | 01:55:45,380 | 我覺得可能認知會有一點不一樣 |
| 01:55:45,380 | 01:55:47,380 | 所以在不同的年齡層 |
| 01:55:47,380 | 01:55:48,380 | 不同的學習階段 |
| 01:55:48,380 | 01:55:51,380 | 甚至是可能校園不同的狀況 |
| 01:55:51,380 | 01:55:54,380 | 因為我覺得教育真的是要因地制宜 |
| 01:55:54,380 | 01:55:58,380 | 有些不一樣的區域或者是特色 |
| 01:55:58,380 | 01:56:02,380 | 或是什麼可能都要有比較不一樣的range |
| 01:56:02,380 | 01:56:06,380 | 所以我是覺得民眾黨的第二項 |
| 01:56:06,380 | 01:56:10,380 | 是在這個規範上可能更 |
| 01:56:11,110 | 01:56:16,110 | 完整而且也給予這個管理輔導的主體的機關 |
| 01:56:16,110 | 01:56:20,110 | 就學校它知道它必須不是無限制的 |
| 01:56:20,110 | 01:56:23,110 | 漫天的我認為有影響 |
| 01:56:23,110 | 01:56:25,110 | 我認為有什麼之餘 |
| 01:56:25,110 | 01:56:27,110 | 我就要管理它 |
| 01:56:27,110 | 01:56:30,110 | 所以我是覺得是可以把 |
| 01:56:30,110 | 01:56:32,110 | 復魁委員跟民眾黨委員的版本 |
| 01:56:32,110 | 01:56:35,110 | 村村委員的建議是可以好好來綜合一下 |
| 01:56:35,110 | 01:56:37,110 | 但至少輔導我覺得一定要放進來 |
| 01:56:37,110 | 01:56:39,110 | 好不要直接管理 |
| 01:56:39,950 | 01:56:41,950 | 那剛剛不好意思那個 |
| 01:56:41,950 | 01:56:43,950 | 這個是不是要經過校務會議 |
| 01:56:43,950 | 01:56:47,950 | 我覺得那可能又會太細了 |
| 01:56:47,950 | 01:56:48,950 | 對對對 |
| 01:56:48,950 | 01:56:50,950 | 所以這是我的意見 |
| 01:56:50,950 | 01:56:51,950 | 大家可以綜合來討論 |
| 01:56:53,110 | 01:56:54,110 | 柯司鋒委員 |
| 01:56:54,110 | 01:56:56,110 | 對我想我剛剛是我想那個 |
| 01:56:56,110 | 01:56:58,110 | 儀錦委員會非常在乎成癮 |
| 01:56:58,110 | 01:56:59,110 | 我也同意 |
| 01:56:59,110 | 01:57:02,110 | 但是是不是有需要把它放在字面上面 |
| 01:57:02,110 | 01:57:04,110 | 讓我們大家就會在這個裡面 |
| 01:57:04,110 | 01:57:06,110 | 去做一個到底是為或是以 |
| 01:57:06,110 | 01:57:08,110 | 我倒是呼應剛剛司鋒委員所提到的 |
| 01:57:08,110 | 01:57:10,110 | 就是民眾黨的有關於的第二項裡面 |
| 01:57:10,110 | 01:57:13,110 | 對於學生健康之物品或行為 |
| 01:57:13,110 | 01:57:15,110 | 因於輔導管理等等 |
| 01:57:15,110 | 01:57:18,110 | 我覺得這個部分應該寫得非常的完整了 |
| 01:57:18,110 | 01:57:21,110 | 我覺得應該是把這一塊把它放進來 |
| 01:57:21,110 | 01:57:24,110 | 然後那個成癮的層面其實也就是在 |
| 01:57:24,110 | 01:57:27,110 | 應該是可以包含在裡面的 |
| 01:57:27,110 | 01:57:29,110 | 不需要特別把它凸顯 |
| 01:57:29,110 | 01:57:30,110 | 對對對 |
| 01:57:30,110 | 01:57:32,110 | 應該有個更方便的方法好不好 |
| 01:57:34,000 | 01:57:36,000 | 好來我們現在文字呈現 |
| 01:57:36,780 | 01:57:39,780 | 那個以避免成癮我們先 |
| 01:57:39,780 | 01:57:41,780 | 用這個 |
| 01:57:42,420 | 01:57:44,420 | 刪除線先放著 |
| 01:57:45,170 | 01:57:48,170 | 輔導的部分這兩個字也有補上了 |
| 01:57:48,170 | 01:57:51,170 | 那我們就先請參彩目前 |
| 01:57:52,230 | 01:57:54,230 | 我們在螢幕上呈現的一個文字 |
| 01:57:56,830 | 01:57:58,830 | 好 |
| 01:57:58,500 | 01:58:00,500 | 其實管理規範 |
| 01:58:07,410 | 01:58:09,410 | 好這先刪掉 |
| 01:58:12,780 | 01:58:14,780 | 其實管理規範 |
| 01:58:15,090 | 01:58:17,090 | 管理及限制期使用 |
| 01:58:19,820 | 01:58:21,820 | 訂定定管理規範 |
| 01:58:24,320 | 01:58:26,320 | 適當 |
| 01:58:28,220 | 01:58:30,220 | 期刪掉 |
| 01:58:30,410 | 01:58:33,410 | 好我們現在文字已經呈現了請委員 |
| 01:58:35,040 | 01:58:37,040 | 對現在的這個 |
| 01:58:37,970 | 01:58:39,970 | 立即委員 |
| 01:58:39,590 | 01:58:43,590 | 我同意啦就是把以避免成癮去掉 |
| 01:58:43,590 | 01:58:45,590 | 可是我就在立法說明是不是要做一些 |
| 01:58:46,730 | 01:58:48,730 | 做一些說明好OK好謝謝 |
| 01:58:48,730 | 01:58:51,730 | 好請教育部將這個文字喔 |
| 01:58:51,730 | 01:58:54,730 | 來修正通過後要在這個 |
| 01:58:54,730 | 01:58:56,730 | 立法說明要補上喔好不好 |
| 01:58:58,140 | 01:59:02,140 | 好我們在最後一次請醫事人員宣讀條文 |
| 01:59:04,280 | 01:59:11,280 | 第19條學校應加強辦理健康促進及建立健康生活行為等活動 |
| 01:59:11,280 | 01:59:14,280 | 學校對影響學生健康之物品或行為 |
| 01:59:14,280 | 01:59:18,280 | 依學生年齡學習階段及校園實際需要 |
| 01:59:18,280 | 01:59:21,280 | 得適時輔導管理或限制期使用 |
| 01:59:21,280 | 01:59:25,280 | 並訂定適當管理規範宣讀完畢 |
| 01:59:25,280 | 01:59:28,280 | 好條文先這樣子呈現喔 |
| 01:59:28,280 | 01:59:31,280 | 那也要再一次的提醒教育部 |
| 01:59:31,280 | 01:59:37,280 | 將那個成癮的部分還有訂定相關規範 |
| 01:59:37,280 | 01:59:40,280 | 要經校務會議通過的部分 |
| 01:59:40,280 | 01:59:45,280 | 在這個立法說明喔這個部分來補上 |
| 01:59:48,210 | 01:59:49,210 | 好有沒有意見 |
| 01:59:49,710 | 01:59:51,710 | 沒有意見修正通過 |
| 01:59:56,000 | 02:00:02,000 | 第21條條文有許富奎克志恩張雅玲等 |
| 02:00:02,100 | 02:00:03,100 | 三個提案 |
| 02:00:13,760 | 02:00:14,760 | 21條 |
| 02:00:20,940 | 02:00:22,940 | 好克志恩委員有提案有要說明嗎 |
| 02:00:25,860 | 02:00:27,860 | 是我在第21條當中呢 |
| 02:00:27,860 | 02:00:31,860 | 我就是放入了在這麼多條件當中呢 |
| 02:00:31,860 | 02:00:34,860 | 其實我就把它放入了這個室內的空氣品質 |
| 02:00:34,860 | 02:00:38,860 | 我想跟其他在其他的部分當中 |
| 02:00:38,860 | 02:00:42,860 | 應該是可以更讓孩子回應這個兒少身體脆弱性 |
| 02:00:42,860 | 02:00:45,860 | 落實CRC的國際的一個公約啦 |
| 02:00:45,860 | 02:00:46,860 | 所以我個人認為說 |
| 02:00:46,860 | 02:00:49,860 | 如果說把它放進這個空氣品質的話 |
| 02:00:49,860 | 02:00:52,860 | 其實可以接軌一個國際的標準 |
| 02:00:52,860 | 02:00:54,860 | 然後請這個教育部來參賽 |
| 02:00:58,780 | 02:01:03,780 | 好室內空氣品質來增加教育部有沒有意見 |
| 02:01:08,970 | 02:01:10,970 | 我請張雅玲委員有提案喔 |
| 02:01:10,970 | 02:01:11,970 | 那請他說明 |
| 02:01:11,970 | 02:01:12,970 | 在那個 |
| 02:01:15,590 | 02:01:18,590 | 一併請委員說明完以後再一併回答 |
| 02:01:18,590 | 02:01:22,590 | 好那我提的第21條裡面主要是針對廁所啦 |
| 02:01:22,590 | 02:01:24,590 | 因為其實學生的這個學校廁所 |
| 02:01:24,590 | 02:01:28,590 | 是學生每天都使用的一個校園空間之一 |
| 02:01:28,590 | 02:01:29,590 | 而且頻率非常高 |
| 02:01:29,590 | 02:01:32,590 | 那這個廁所的設計上面有沒有符合 |
| 02:01:32,590 | 02:01:35,590 | 不管是性別友善啦或是動線上面有沒有符合 |
| 02:01:35,590 | 02:01:40,590 | 其實都會影響到這個孩子願不願意去使用這個廁所 |
| 02:01:40,590 | 02:01:42,590 | 可是我們現在的一個制度上面呢 |
| 02:01:42,590 | 02:01:46,590 | 雖然是有說要符合相關的法令及硬體標準 |
| 02:01:46,590 | 02:01:50,590 | 但是我們卻沒有去收集要求明確 |
| 02:01:50,590 | 02:01:52,590 | 要收集學生的意見 |
| 02:01:52,590 | 02:01:55,590 | 所以我是希望說在這一條裡面呢 |
| 02:01:55,590 | 02:02:00,590 | 可以在這些改善上面要去強化這個使用者經驗 |
| 02:02:00,590 | 02:02:04,590 | 這樣才能夠去符合到學生的使用情境 |
| 02:02:04,590 | 02:02:07,590 | 那這也回應到CRC裡面講的表譯權的落實 |
| 02:02:07,590 | 02:02:11,590 | 這樣子讓學校廁所是真正好用友善遊影師 |
| 02:02:11,590 | 02:02:12,590 | 也有安全謝謝 |
| 02:02:14,510 | 02:02:16,510 | 好我一個建議啦 |
| 02:02:16,510 | 02:02:21,510 | 就是如果真的要建議維持現行條文的話 |
| 02:02:21,510 | 02:02:25,510 | 是不是徐富奎委員柯志恩委員張曉琳委員 |
| 02:02:25,510 | 02:02:29,510 | 等相關人等的一個提案簽字 |
| 02:02:29,510 | 02:02:33,510 | 他們的說明他們的立法可不可以寫在立法說明這部分 |
| 02:02:33,510 | 02:02:35,510 | 這也請教育部參採一下 |
| 02:02:35,510 | 02:02:36,510 | 我是邀委員 |
| 02:02:37,630 | 02:02:41,630 | 我是建議因為我有看了教育部的理由啦 |
| 02:02:41,630 | 02:02:45,630 | 希望維持現行條文我基本上是支持啦 |
| 02:02:45,630 | 02:02:48,630 | 那因為剛剛志恩委員提到的室內空氣品質 |
| 02:02:48,630 | 02:02:52,630 | 我覺得是就是在通風那一項要兼顧嘛 |
| 02:02:52,630 | 02:02:55,630 | 它不只室內室外都要去兼顧 |
| 02:02:55,630 | 02:02:59,630 | 所以這個如果要列每一項都有更細的東西 |
| 02:02:59,630 | 02:03:02,630 | 所以我是覺得就可以不用再置入 |
| 02:03:02,630 | 02:03:05,630 | 那雅玲委員所徵的第三項 |
| 02:03:05,630 | 02:03:09,630 | 確實都應當去蒐集學生的意見 |
| 02:03:09,630 | 02:03:12,630 | 但是我想不只是在廁所啦 |
| 02:03:12,630 | 02:03:17,630 | 其實包括你的校舍建築物我們第二項所列的每一項 |
| 02:03:17,630 | 02:03:21,630 | 洗手台個別的飲用水都應當 |
| 02:03:21,630 | 02:03:26,630 | 我覺得任何的校園的設施設備都應當去蒐集學生 |
| 02:03:26,630 | 02:03:29,630 | 就是要符合法規然後蒐集學生的意見 |
| 02:03:29,630 | 02:03:31,630 | 這是應當的 |
| 02:03:31,630 | 02:03:34,630 | 那如果要列的話應當是general都要 |
| 02:03:34,630 | 02:03:37,630 | 好所以說這個是要統合性的 |
| 02:03:37,630 | 02:03:40,630 | 如果要加一項的話應該是 |
| 02:03:41,320 | 02:03:43,320 | 含困所有的東西 |
| 02:03:43,320 | 02:03:45,320 | 那如果不列的話 |
| 02:03:45,320 | 02:03:48,320 | 就是可以用立法說明來補強 |
| 02:03:48,320 | 02:03:51,320 | 好這我的建議這樣子 |
| 02:03:51,320 | 02:03:54,320 | 因為要蒐集意見不是真的廁所之外 |
| 02:03:54,320 | 02:03:56,320 | 我看你們每一個都要 |
| 02:03:56,320 | 02:03:58,320 | 但我覺得雅玲委員有思考到這一點 |
| 02:03:58,320 | 02:04:00,320 | 我覺得是非常進步啦 |
| 02:04:00,320 | 02:04:01,320 | 是 |
| 02:04:01,820 | 02:04:03,820 | 教育部可不可以回應一下 |
| 02:04:03,820 | 02:04:05,820 | 如果我們現在維持現行條文 |
| 02:04:05,820 | 02:04:08,820 | 可不可以將委員的建議都參採 |
| 02:04:08,820 | 02:04:10,820 | 然後在立法說明上呈現 |
| 02:04:12,150 | 02:04:13,150 | 一事公平 |
| 02:04:14,280 | 02:04:15,280 | 這可以 |
| 02:04:15,280 | 02:04:16,280 | 可以嗎 |
| 02:04:16,280 | 02:04:17,280 | 可以可以 |
| 02:04:17,280 | 02:04:18,280 | 那委員這樣可以嗎 |
| 02:04:19,520 | 02:04:21,520 | 修正立法說明 |
| 02:04:21,520 | 02:04:22,520 | 好不好 |
| 02:04:22,520 | 02:04:23,520 | 好 嘉玲委員 |
| 02:04:23,520 | 02:04:24,520 | 立法說明 |
| 02:04:24,600 | 02:04:26,600 | 不好意思我還是想要再強調一下 |
| 02:04:26,600 | 02:04:29,600 | 因為那個再說明一下啦就是說 |
| 02:04:29,600 | 02:04:30,600 | 因為廁所的部分呢 |
| 02:04:30,600 | 02:04:32,600 | 其實可能相對於為什麼我們沒有把它 |
| 02:04:32,600 | 02:04:33,600 | 放在第二項裡面 |
| 02:04:33,600 | 02:04:34,600 | 最主要是說 |
| 02:04:34,600 | 02:04:36,600 | 因為學校的校舍建築啦 |
| 02:04:36,600 | 02:04:39,600 | 或是污水處理這對於學生來說 |
| 02:04:39,600 | 02:04:41,600 | 他們的使用上面其實並沒有那麼的直接 |
| 02:04:41,600 | 02:04:44,600 | 所以可是廁所他們是直接使用的 |
| 02:04:44,600 | 02:04:46,600 | 然後也非常的有感 |
| 02:04:46,600 | 02:04:49,600 | 所以才會希望針對這一點去把這個 |
| 02:04:49,600 | 02:04:51,600 | 表議權的部分去落實 |
| 02:04:51,600 | 02:04:52,600 | 去蒐集大家的意見 |
| 02:04:52,600 | 02:04:54,600 | 我是在想說是不是可以說 |
| 02:04:54,600 | 02:04:56,600 | 我們在第二條 |
| 02:04:56,600 | 02:04:58,600 | 或是在第二 |
| 02:04:58,600 | 02:05:00,600 | 在這個我的這個條次裡面呢 |
| 02:05:00,600 | 02:05:02,600 | 把這個表議權的落實 |
| 02:05:02,600 | 02:05:05,600 | 是放在我條文裡面啦 |
| 02:05:05,600 | 02:05:07,600 | 是把表議權的落實放在條文裡面 |
| 02:05:07,600 | 02:05:08,600 | 這樣子 |
| 02:05:08,600 | 02:05:10,600 | 然後針對於一些學生會使用的 |
| 02:05:10,600 | 02:05:11,600 | 可能像是廁所 |
| 02:05:11,600 | 02:05:13,600 | 或一些相關的衛生設計啦 |
| 02:05:13,600 | 02:05:15,600 | 我還是希望可以用這個方式來呈現 |
| 02:05:15,600 | 02:05:16,600 | 謝謝 |
| 02:05:16,830 | 02:05:21,830 | 好這個跟委員特別呼應啦 |
| 02:05:21,830 | 02:05:24,830 | 當然學校學生使用的東西很多 |
| 02:05:24,830 | 02:05:26,830 | 包括洗手台啊 |
| 02:05:26,830 | 02:05:27,830 | 垃圾桶啊 |
| 02:05:27,830 | 02:05:28,830 | 廁所啊 |
| 02:05:28,830 | 02:05:30,830 | 或者是電風扇 |
| 02:05:30,830 | 02:05:31,830 | 也都是學生直接使用的 |
| 02:05:31,830 | 02:05:35,830 | 所以就是猶如剛剛委員其他所說的 |
| 02:05:35,830 | 02:05:38,830 | 其實您的建議學校廁所很重要 |
| 02:05:38,830 | 02:05:40,830 | 但是其他的東西也蠻重要 |
| 02:05:40,830 | 02:05:42,830 | 是不是每個都要列出來 |
| 02:05:42,830 | 02:05:45,830 | 讓他們來做這一個所謂的調查 |
| 02:05:45,830 | 02:05:47,830 | 我覺得都有必要性 |
| 02:05:47,830 | 02:05:48,830 | 那是不是如果要列 |
| 02:05:48,830 | 02:05:49,830 | 怕掛一落萬 |
| 02:05:49,830 | 02:05:52,830 | 是不是都統一把它在立法說明 |
| 02:05:52,830 | 02:05:54,830 | 或者是附帶決議上 |
| 02:05:54,830 | 02:05:57,830 | 那請委員可以再提一個附帶決議來說 |
| 02:05:57,830 | 02:05:59,830 | 來保障委員的訴求 |
| 02:05:59,830 | 02:06:02,830 | 又能夠兼顧到孩子的一個表議 |
| 02:06:02,830 | 02:06:04,830 | 所以我這邊來具體的建議 |
| 02:06:04,830 | 02:06:06,830 | 是不是就請所有的委員來支持 |
| 02:06:06,830 | 02:06:10,830 | 我們就照原條文通過 |
| 02:06:10,830 | 02:06:13,830 | 但是修正立法說明 |
| 02:06:15,050 | 02:06:17,050 | 或附帶決議這個部分 |
| 02:06:17,050 | 02:06:20,050 | 我們會再提附帶決議謝謝 |
| 02:06:20,050 | 02:06:22,050 | 好我們現在馬上 |
| 02:06:22,050 | 02:06:24,050 | 請這個 |
| 02:06:25,660 | 02:06:27,660 | 下一步把附帶決議擬出來 |
| 02:06:29,260 | 02:06:31,260 | 好我們擬附帶決議之後 |
| 02:06:31,260 | 02:06:33,260 | 提供給各位委員 |
| 02:06:33,260 | 02:06:34,260 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:06:34,260 | 02:06:37,260 | 好此條文我們先不予修正 |
| 02:06:37,260 | 02:06:38,260 | 維持現行條文 |
| 02:06:38,260 | 02:06:40,260 | 但是要有附帶決議 |
| 02:06:40,260 | 02:06:42,260 | 那請待會補上 |
| 02:06:44,830 | 02:06:47,830 | 好第二十二條 |
| 02:06:48,160 | 02:06:50,160 | 由委員廖偉祥等藝人提案 |
| 02:06:53,960 | 02:06:55,960 | 請教一步直接說明謝謝 |
| 02:06:57,340 | 02:07:00,340 | 好有關委員建議是那個 |
| 02:07:00,340 | 02:07:02,340 | 抽查的頻率是那個 |
| 02:07:02,340 | 02:07:05,340 | 由美學年增為美學期 |
| 02:07:05,340 | 02:07:07,340 | 那這個部分我們是考慮 |
| 02:07:07,340 | 02:07:10,340 | 考慮到所有的各級政府的 |
| 02:07:10,340 | 02:07:12,340 | 各縣市政府 |
| 02:07:12,340 | 02:07:15,340 | 大家的一個能量 |
| 02:07:15,340 | 02:07:19,340 | 所以我們建議還是維持美學年 |
| 02:07:19,340 | 02:07:21,340 | 但是我們必要的時候 |
| 02:07:21,340 | 02:07:24,340 | 都會再辦理那個抽查 |
| 02:07:24,340 | 02:07:26,340 | 那另外我們到學校去 |
| 02:07:26,340 | 02:07:28,340 | 訪查的時候我們也都會 |
| 02:07:28,340 | 02:07:31,340 | 併同農業跟衛生機關一起去 |
| 02:07:47,270 | 02:07:48,270 | 有請 |
| 02:07:49,990 | 02:07:51,990 | 有關22條 |
| 02:07:51,990 | 02:07:53,990 | 廖偉祥委員的提案 |
| 02:07:54,830 | 02:07:56,830 | 當然利益是良善的 |
| 02:07:56,830 | 02:07:57,830 | 希望這個 |
| 02:07:59,340 | 02:08:02,340 | 政府對於學校相關的衛生 |
| 02:08:02,340 | 02:08:04,340 | 或是餐飲相關的事項 |
| 02:08:04,340 | 02:08:08,340 | 要提升他的抽檢的 |
| 02:08:08,340 | 02:08:10,340 | 抽查、稽查的密度 |
| 02:08:10,340 | 02:08:12,340 | 這當然做得到的話當然是很好 |
| 02:08:12,340 | 02:08:14,340 | 但我只是要強調說 |
| 02:08:14,340 | 02:08:16,340 | 等一下聽教育部的意見 |
| 02:08:16,340 | 02:08:18,340 | 因為各級政府他 |
| 02:08:18,340 | 02:08:20,340 | 就是各級政府 |
| 02:08:20,080 | 02:08:22,080 | 我覺得這一定要講清楚 |
| 02:08:22,080 | 02:08:24,080 | 那他的責任會落在哪裡 |
| 02:08:24,080 | 02:08:26,080 | 他如果是市立的學校 |
| 02:08:26,080 | 02:08:28,080 | 就是市政府 |
| 02:08:28,080 | 02:08:30,080 | 如果是國立的學校 |
| 02:08:30,080 | 02:08:31,080 | 就是中央機關 |
| 02:08:31,080 | 02:08:33,080 | 那學校又非常多 |
| 02:08:33,080 | 02:08:36,080 | 如果國中小4000多所 |
| 02:08:36,080 | 02:08:38,080 | 那這個抽查的量能 |
| 02:08:38,880 | 02:08:40,880 | 我覺得這也是要考量 |
| 02:08:40,880 | 02:08:42,880 | 各級政府的量能 |
| 02:08:42,880 | 02:08:44,880 | 所以這個是很務實的事情 |
| 02:08:44,880 | 02:08:46,880 | 當然對我們在這裡修正 |
| 02:08:46,880 | 02:08:48,880 | 我也可以大家可能 |
| 02:08:48,880 | 02:08:49,880 | 每個月都要一次 |
| 02:08:49,880 | 02:08:50,880 | 也有可能 |
| 02:08:50,880 | 02:08:52,880 | 因為這個是零容忍的事情 |
| 02:08:52,880 | 02:08:54,880 | 但還是要考量各級政府的 |
| 02:08:54,880 | 02:08:56,880 | 稽查量能 |
| 02:08:57,290 | 02:08:59,290 | 那這個教育部要說明一下 |
| 02:08:59,290 | 02:09:01,290 | 而有沒有跟地方政府討論過 |
| 02:09:03,140 | 02:09:06,140 | 委員的提案可不可能可不可行 |
| 02:09:06,140 | 02:09:08,140 | 我覺得還是回到務實的點 |
| 02:09:08,140 | 02:09:11,140 | 方向上我們當然希望支持啦 |
| 02:09:11,140 | 02:09:13,140 | 可是要強制的入法調整 |
| 02:09:13,140 | 02:09:15,140 | 這真的就是執行能量的問題 |
| 02:09:16,540 | 02:09:18,540 | 對我想請教育部門 |
| 02:09:18,540 | 02:09:20,540 | 因為各級政府你一定要有地方政府的溝通 |
| 02:09:21,450 | 02:09:23,450 | 好 |
| 02:09:24,510 | 02:09:26,510 | 郭議員 |
| 02:09:26,510 | 02:09:28,510 | 這個部分 |
| 02:09:28,510 | 02:09:30,510 | echo一下這個私要委員 |
| 02:09:30,510 | 02:09:32,510 | 但是就是就所需要 |
| 02:09:32,510 | 02:09:34,510 | 如果要調整成每學期 |
| 02:09:34,510 | 02:09:36,510 | 那這個學校的行政量能能不能夠足夠 |
| 02:09:36,510 | 02:09:38,510 | 地方政府有沒有跟他們溝通 |
| 02:09:38,510 | 02:09:40,510 | 需要多少的人力 |
| 02:09:40,510 | 02:09:42,510 | 然後需要增加多少的經費 |
| 02:09:42,510 | 02:09:44,510 | 這個部分的成本的增加 |
| 02:09:44,510 | 02:09:46,510 | 是是是狀況是如何 |
| 02:09:46,510 | 02:09:48,510 | 那這個部分可能也需要盤點 |
| 02:09:48,510 | 02:09:50,510 | 那請等一下請教育部說明一下 |
| 02:09:50,510 | 02:09:52,510 | 那這個部分可能也需要盤點 |
| 02:09:52,510 | 02:09:54,510 | 那請等一下請教育部說明一下 |
| 02:09:54,510 | 02:09:56,510 | 好以上 |
| 02:09:57,770 | 02:09:59,770 | 教育部請說明 |
| 02:10:01,550 | 02:10:03,550 | 以目前就是教育部在 |
| 02:10:03,550 | 02:10:05,550 | 以目前就是教育部在 |
| 02:10:05,170 | 02:10:07,170 | 不管是我們國立學校我們自己辦理 |
| 02:10:07,170 | 02:10:09,170 | 不管是我們國立學校我們自己辦理 |
| 02:10:09,170 | 02:10:11,170 | 查核跟我們都島 |
| 02:10:11,170 | 02:10:13,170 | 縣市去做有關 |
| 02:10:13,170 | 02:10:15,170 | 那個學校參與 |
| 02:10:15,170 | 02:10:17,170 | 衛生的那個查核的話 |
| 02:10:17,170 | 02:10:19,170 | 我們現在是每學年一次 |
| 02:10:19,170 | 02:10:21,170 | 每學年一次 |
| 02:10:21,170 | 02:10:23,170 | 那因為以我自己國立學校 |
| 02:10:23,170 | 02:10:25,170 | 的話我自己就一百 |
| 02:10:25,170 | 02:10:27,170 | 一百多所 |
| 02:10:27,170 | 02:10:29,170 | 那目前的話我們會配合 |
| 02:10:29,170 | 02:10:31,170 | 就是地方 |
| 02:10:31,170 | 02:10:33,170 | 包括衛生單位啊 |
| 02:10:33,170 | 02:10:35,170 | 農業單位其實都會去做 |
| 02:10:35,170 | 02:10:37,170 | 那個查核的 |
| 02:10:37,170 | 02:10:39,170 | 那個工作 |
| 02:10:39,170 | 02:10:41,170 | 實際上學校 |
| 02:10:41,170 | 02:10:43,170 | 真正上課的時間 |
| 02:10:43,170 | 02:10:45,170 | 日數其實不多啦 |
| 02:10:45,170 | 02:10:47,170 | 如果以現在地方政府 |
| 02:10:47,170 | 02:10:49,170 | 他面對那麼多學校的話 |
| 02:10:49,170 | 02:10:51,170 | 恐怕這個 |
| 02:10:51,170 | 02:10:53,170 | 人力跟量能 |
| 02:10:53,170 | 02:10:55,170 | 是必須要考量的 |
| 02:10:55,170 | 02:10:57,170 | 而且以我們現在查核完 |
| 02:10:57,170 | 02:10:59,170 | 其實都如果有問題的話 |
| 02:10:59,170 | 02:11:01,170 | 是會複查 |
| 02:11:01,170 | 02:11:03,170 | 然後他完全改善 |
| 02:11:03,170 | 02:11:05,170 | 所以如果說現在要 |
| 02:11:05,170 | 02:11:07,170 | 變成就是每學期 |
| 02:11:07,170 | 02:11:09,170 | 一次的話就等於原來的工作 |
| 02:11:09,170 | 02:11:11,170 | 是必須再double |
| 02:11:11,170 | 02:11:13,170 | 那這個的話可能地方 |
| 02:11:13,170 | 02:11:15,170 | 包括我們自己國教署 |
| 02:11:15,170 | 02:11:17,170 | 對國立學校的話其實 |
| 02:11:17,170 | 02:11:19,170 | 也都是一個蠻大的 |
| 02:11:19,170 | 02:11:21,170 | 負擔 |
| 02:11:21,170 | 02:11:23,170 | 補充一下我建議這個 |
| 02:11:23,170 | 02:11:25,170 | 維持線型條文啦 |
| 02:11:25,170 | 02:11:27,170 | 這不只是各級政府的量能問題 |
| 02:11:27,170 | 02:11:29,170 | 其實要考量學校短 |
| 02:11:29,170 | 02:11:31,170 | 學校可能覺得 |
| 02:11:31,420 | 02:11:34,420 | 你知道我們不是才要討論大學法嗎 |
| 02:11:34,420 | 02:11:36,420 | 他對於評鑑什麼都來評鑑 |
| 02:11:36,420 | 02:11:37,420 | 每天來 |
| 02:11:37,420 | 02:11:39,420 | 順殘衡 |
| 02:11:39,420 | 02:11:41,420 | 他每天增加很多行政loading |
| 02:11:41,420 | 02:11:43,420 | 就是那個 |
| 02:11:42,760 | 02:11:45,760 | 我們必要的管理抽查 |
| 02:11:45,760 | 02:11:48,760 | 就是在一個事宜的方式 |
| 02:11:48,760 | 02:11:50,760 | 那除了 |
| 02:11:50,780 | 02:11:53,780 | 不時的檢視各級政府的量能之外 |
| 02:11:53,780 | 02:11:55,780 | 也要考量 |
| 02:11:55,780 | 02:11:57,780 | 第一線教育現場學校 |
| 02:12:00,200 | 02:12:02,200 | 否則學校可能會覺得 |
| 02:12:02,200 | 02:12:04,200 | 疲於奔命 |
| 02:12:04,200 | 02:12:06,200 | 所以前提是說我們現在除非 |
| 02:12:06,200 | 02:12:08,200 | 提案委員覺得現在 |
| 02:12:08,200 | 02:12:10,200 | 一學年一次我們產生了 |
| 02:12:10,200 | 02:12:12,200 | 哪些很嚴重的問題 |
| 02:12:12,200 | 02:12:15,200 | 不精進密度提升密度不行 |
| 02:12:15,870 | 02:12:18,870 | 我認為委員提案絕對是利益良善 |
| 02:12:18,870 | 02:12:20,870 | 但是如果只是 |
| 02:12:20,870 | 02:12:23,870 | 就是我覺得沒有考量了 |
| 02:12:24,850 | 02:12:26,850 | 學校跟 |
| 02:12:26,920 | 02:12:30,920 | 地方主管機關我一定要強調地方主管機關會是最大的loading |
| 02:12:30,920 | 02:12:33,920 | 沒有考量的話我覺得真的維持現行條文就好 |
| 02:12:36,450 | 02:12:37,450 | 對那個 |
| 02:12:37,450 | 02:12:40,450 | 委員就講地方主管機關有困難 |
| 02:12:41,640 | 02:12:43,640 | 我是具體建議 |
| 02:12:43,640 | 02:12:46,640 | 希望這一個可以再大家多討論一下 |
| 02:12:46,640 | 02:12:47,640 | 所以可以保留 |
| 02:12:47,640 | 02:12:49,640 | 但是尊重委員的意見 |
| 02:12:49,640 | 02:12:53,640 | 那所以委員大家多數大家覺得怎麼樣 |
| 02:12:55,510 | 02:12:58,510 | 希望委員我們就麻煩簡單的 |
| 02:13:00,150 | 02:13:04,150 | 其實針對這一題我想剛才發言的委員 |
| 02:13:04,150 | 02:13:06,150 | 他們大家所表達的意見 |
| 02:13:06,150 | 02:13:09,150 | 不是反對但是到底地方政府能不能做得到 |
| 02:13:09,150 | 02:13:12,150 | 那以我們彰化縣來講兩百多手的國中小 |
| 02:13:12,150 | 02:13:16,150 | 那每個學期上課的天數就這麼多 |
| 02:13:16,150 | 02:13:18,150 | 那你這兩百多手你每個學期 |
| 02:13:18,150 | 02:13:20,150 | 要去做這樣的檢 |
| 02:13:20,150 | 02:13:22,150 | 就是相關的這些檢測檢查 |
| 02:13:22,150 | 02:13:24,150 | 有沒有辦法做得到 |
| 02:13:24,150 | 02:13:26,150 | 就是我們縣政府到底有沒有辦法負擔 |
| 02:13:26,150 | 02:13:28,150 | 我想我原本比較擔心 |
| 02:13:28,150 | 02:13:30,150 | 包括教育部比較擔心這個問題 |
| 02:13:30,150 | 02:13:33,150 | 那如果說以現在美學年 |
| 02:13:33,150 | 02:13:36,150 | 這個這樣的頻率來講 |
| 02:13:36,150 | 02:13:37,150 | 如果是不足的 |
| 02:13:37,150 | 02:13:39,150 | 那是不是在一個怎樣的機制上 |
| 02:13:39,150 | 02:13:45,150 | 我們再去嘗試著去增加相關的量能 |
| 02:13:45,150 | 02:13:48,150 | 但是如果你現在就把美學期定下去 |
| 02:13:48,150 | 02:13:50,150 | 其實不是反對 |
| 02:13:50,150 | 02:13:52,150 | 那以學生的這個餐飲衛生 |
| 02:13:52,150 | 02:13:54,150 | 越嚴謹越好 |
| 02:13:54,150 | 02:13:55,150 | 對家長來講 |
| 02:13:55,150 | 02:13:57,150 | 對我們一般的民眾來講都非常的重 |
| 02:13:57,150 | 02:13:59,150 | 所以我們也希望說 |
| 02:13:59,150 | 02:14:01,150 | 如果你真的能夠做得到的話 |
| 02:14:01,150 | 02:14:02,150 | 你兩三個月都去查一次 |
| 02:14:02,150 | 02:14:03,150 | 一兩個月去查一次 |
| 02:14:03,150 | 02:14:04,150 | 我們都沒有意見 |
| 02:14:04,150 | 02:14:05,150 | 現在主要就是說 |
| 02:14:05,150 | 02:14:08,150 | 縣市政府相關的這些單位 |
| 02:14:08,150 | 02:14:09,150 | 有沒有辦法 |
| 02:14:09,150 | 02:14:13,150 | 有沒有相關這樣的能力跟量能 |
| 02:14:13,150 | 02:14:17,150 | 去做這麼高頻率的相關的這些抽查 |
| 02:14:17,150 | 02:14:19,150 | 所以這個部分我想 |
| 02:14:19,150 | 02:14:21,150 | 不是反對絕對不是 |
| 02:14:21,150 | 02:14:23,150 | 如果可以的話我們也都贊成 |
| 02:14:23,150 | 02:14:25,150 | 只是說我們就考慮到說 |
| 02:14:25,150 | 02:14:26,150 | 做不做得到 |
| 02:14:26,150 | 02:14:28,150 | 這是實際面的考量 |
| 02:14:28,150 | 02:14:30,150 | 所以我剛剛就說是建議保留 |
| 02:14:30,150 | 02:14:33,150 | 但是大家在討論可以再收集更多意見 |
| 02:14:33,150 | 02:14:35,150 | 但是如果委員覺得 |
| 02:14:35,150 | 02:14:37,150 | 維持現行條文為多數的話 |
| 02:14:37,150 | 02:14:38,150 | 我們也尊重 |
| 02:14:40,570 | 02:14:42,570 | 所以現在委員 |
| 02:14:43,810 | 02:14:44,810 | 是不是給我一點回應 |
| 02:14:44,810 | 02:14:46,810 | 維持現行條文我主張 |
| 02:14:46,810 | 02:14:48,810 | 維持現行條文 |
| 02:14:48,810 | 02:14:49,810 | 有沒有 |
| 02:14:49,810 | 02:14:50,810 | 不用一個一個問 |
| 02:14:50,810 | 02:14:51,810 | 每一件 |
| 02:14:51,810 | 02:14:53,810 | 那我們就維持現行條文 |
| 02:14:57,480 | 02:14:59,480 | 好不許修正維持現行條文 |
| 02:15:03,740 | 02:15:05,740 | 第23條條文修正 |
| 02:15:05,740 | 02:15:06,740 | 由委員廖宇祥等18人 |
| 02:15:06,740 | 02:15:07,740 | 施一個提案 |
| 02:15:50,520 | 02:15:51,520 | 好23條 |
| 02:15:51,520 | 02:15:52,520 | 由委員有意見嗎 |
| 02:15:54,130 | 02:15:56,130 | 好吳思耀委員林景委員 |
| 02:15:57,490 | 02:16:00,490 | 好23條多數提案的委員 |
| 02:16:00,490 | 02:16:03,490 | 是要在最後一項 |
| 02:16:03,490 | 02:16:05,490 | 對於校園的 |
| 02:16:05,490 | 02:16:07,490 | 膳食提供的食材 |
| 02:16:07,490 | 02:16:09,490 | 禁止使用的 |
| 02:16:09,490 | 02:16:11,490 | 項類有哪些 |
| 02:16:11,490 | 02:16:13,490 | 那提案委員大概都是 |
| 02:16:13,490 | 02:16:15,490 | 在這一項裡頭做了增訂 |
| 02:16:16,690 | 02:16:18,690 | 那我在學校衛生法 |
| 02:16:18,690 | 02:16:20,690 | 或者是當時的營養午餐專法 |
| 02:16:20,690 | 02:16:22,690 | 在多次的討論 |
| 02:16:22,690 | 02:16:24,690 | 或質詢當中 |
| 02:16:24,690 | 02:16:26,690 | 我都一再的強調 |
| 02:16:26,690 | 02:16:28,690 | 我們非常肯定 |
| 02:16:28,690 | 02:16:30,690 | 那提案委員們對於 |
| 02:16:30,690 | 02:16:32,689 | 校園食材的供給的管理面 |
| 02:16:32,689 | 02:16:34,689 | 我們食安零容忍 |
| 02:16:34,689 | 02:16:36,689 | 我們都在這個方向上 |
| 02:16:36,689 | 02:16:37,689 | 想要去精進 |
| 02:16:37,689 | 02:16:39,689 | 都想要去做到合宜 |
| 02:16:39,689 | 02:16:41,689 | 來保障學生的飲食健康 |
| 02:16:42,990 | 02:16:44,990 | 但任何的一個修法 |
| 02:16:44,990 | 02:16:46,990 | 立法我想還是要 |
| 02:16:46,990 | 02:16:48,990 | 回到一個法治的橫平性 |
| 02:16:48,990 | 02:16:50,990 | 法治的橫平性 |
| 02:16:50,990 | 02:16:52,990 | 我多次的提出 |
| 02:16:52,990 | 02:16:54,990 | 如果在 |
| 02:16:54,990 | 02:16:56,990 | 每一個修法當中 |
| 02:16:56,990 | 02:16:58,990 | 太過去針對性的 |
| 02:16:58,990 | 02:17:00,990 | 去針對某一個項類 |
| 02:17:00,990 | 02:17:02,990 | 去做 |
| 02:17:02,320 | 02:17:04,320 | 這種就是不折不扣的 |
| 02:17:04,320 | 02:17:06,320 | 針對性修法 |
| 02:17:06,320 | 02:17:08,320 | 那在考量上恐怕就要去考量 |
| 02:17:08,320 | 02:17:10,320 | 會不會掛一漏完 |
| 02:17:11,889 | 02:17:13,889 | 會不會你規範的這個 |
| 02:17:13,889 | 02:17:15,889 | 卻漏了那個 |
| 02:17:15,570 | 02:17:17,570 | 你想要管這個 |
| 02:17:17,570 | 02:17:19,570 | 跟他同一個level該管的 |
| 02:17:19,570 | 02:17:21,570 | 其實還很多 |
| 02:17:21,570 | 02:17:23,570 | 所以在這個樣 |
| 02:17:23,570 | 02:17:25,570 | 這個項次裡頭 |
| 02:17:25,570 | 02:17:27,570 | 我是認為都應當 |
| 02:17:27,570 | 02:17:29,570 | 如果要母法 |
| 02:17:29,570 | 02:17:31,570 | 要去修的話 |
| 02:17:31,570 | 02:17:33,570 | 那真的就是足凡不及備載了 |
| 02:17:33,570 | 02:17:35,570 | 我們現在對於食物的管理 |
| 02:17:35,570 | 02:17:37,570 | 食安法裡頭 |
| 02:17:37,570 | 02:17:39,570 | 動物用藥是一類 |
| 02:17:40,709 | 02:17:42,709 | 動物用藥有496筆 |
| 02:17:44,709 | 02:17:46,709 | 是明確的規範可使用 |
| 02:17:46,709 | 02:17:48,709 | 但是要在他的 |
| 02:17:48,709 | 02:17:50,709 | 容許殘留 |
| 02:17:50,709 | 02:17:52,709 | 容許量裡頭去進行 |
| 02:17:52,709 | 02:17:54,709 | 那未表列者不得使用 |
| 02:17:54,709 | 02:17:56,709 | 光動物用藥 |
| 02:17:56,709 | 02:17:58,709 | 就有496項 |
| 02:18:00,090 | 02:18:02,090 | 食品添加物也是一樣 |
| 02:18:02,090 | 02:18:04,090 | 可使用但是要規範 |
| 02:18:04,090 | 02:18:06,090 | 他的範圍跟 |
| 02:18:07,209 | 02:18:09,209 | 限量限制他的量 |
| 02:18:09,209 | 02:18:11,209 | 未表列者不得使用的 |
| 02:18:11,209 | 02:18:13,209 | 食品添加物有804種 |
| 02:18:15,270 | 02:18:17,270 | 在農藥的部分 |
| 02:18:17,719 | 02:18:19,719 | 因為這一定是衛環部門 |
| 02:18:19,719 | 02:18:21,719 | 健康部門跟農業部門 |
| 02:18:21,719 | 02:18:23,719 | 共同把關的 |
| 02:18:23,719 | 02:18:25,719 | 在農業 |
| 02:18:25,740 | 02:18:29,740 | 的管理上殘留容許量的規範更多了 |
| 02:18:30,610 | 02:18:32,610 | 有8126筆 |
| 02:18:33,469 | 02:18:37,469 | 那如果再加外援性的農藥容許量一筆 |
| 02:18:37,469 | 02:18:39,469 | 免訂定的農藥44筆 |
| 02:18:39,469 | 02:18:43,469 | 完全禁用的農藥有65筆 |
| 02:18:43,469 | 02:18:45,469 | 所以在農業的管理上 |
| 02:18:45,469 | 02:18:47,469 | 可能就高達 |
| 02:18:47,469 | 02:18:49,469 | 不是可能 |
| 02:18:49,469 | 02:18:51,469 | 這是算出來的 |
| 02:18:51,469 | 02:18:53,469 | 是8236筆 |
| 02:18:53,469 | 02:18:55,469 | 8236筆 |
| 02:18:55,469 | 02:18:57,469 | 所以說修法如果要納入某一項 |
| 02:19:00,280 | 02:19:02,280 | 那麼真的就是 |
| 02:19:02,280 | 02:19:04,280 | 漏掉了我剛剛說的A加B加C |
| 02:19:04,280 | 02:19:06,280 | 動物用藥 |
| 02:19:06,280 | 02:19:08,280 | plus食品添加物 |
| 02:19:08,280 | 02:19:10,280 | plus農藥的規範 |
| 02:19:10,280 | 02:19:12,280 | 加總起來我們在食安的 |
| 02:19:12,280 | 02:19:16,280 | 管制規則裡有9536種 |
| 02:19:17,900 | 02:19:19,900 | 9536種 |
| 02:19:20,190 | 02:19:22,190 | 難道每一項都要入法 |
| 02:19:22,190 | 02:19:24,190 | 而且是入魔法嗎 |
| 02:19:25,910 | 02:19:27,910 | 所以這是一個立法的 |
| 02:19:27,910 | 02:19:29,910 | 橫平性的問題 |
| 02:19:29,910 | 02:19:31,910 | 同一種的level的 |
| 02:19:31,910 | 02:19:33,910 | 我想都應當同樣的 |
| 02:19:33,910 | 02:19:35,910 | 在法治的作為上 |
| 02:19:35,910 | 02:19:37,910 | 作為相同標準的管制 |
| 02:19:37,910 | 02:19:39,910 | 所以我是擔心 |
| 02:19:39,910 | 02:19:41,910 | 怪異漏案之後 |
| 02:19:41,910 | 02:19:43,910 | 那可能會 |
| 02:19:44,070 | 02:19:46,070 | 看到這個放進來了 |
| 02:19:46,070 | 02:19:48,070 | 某個時間我覺得這個也很重要 |
| 02:19:48,070 | 02:19:50,070 | 這項為什麼漏了 |
| 02:19:50,070 | 02:19:52,070 | 你大小6嗎 |
| 02:19:52,070 | 02:19:54,070 | 為什麼想到A沒有想到Z |
| 02:19:54,480 | 02:19:56,480 | 所以一個橫平的處理 |
| 02:19:56,480 | 02:19:57,480 | 是重要的 |
| 02:19:57,480 | 02:19:59,480 | 所以避免在條文裡頭 |
| 02:19:59,480 | 02:20:01,480 | 尤其是魔法裡頭做 |
| 02:20:01,480 | 02:20:03,480 | 過於細項的 |
| 02:20:03,480 | 02:20:05,480 | 獨立的或是針對性的 |
| 02:20:05,480 | 02:20:07,480 | 我覺得這個是值得大家 |
| 02:20:07,480 | 02:20:09,480 | 在修法上一起來思考 |
| 02:20:13,650 | 02:20:15,650 | Easy way |
| 02:20:15,190 | 02:20:17,190 | 好謝謝 |
| 02:20:17,280 | 02:20:19,280 | 這一條有很多的委員 |
| 02:20:19,280 | 02:20:21,280 | 就文明文併併 |
| 02:20:21,280 | 02:20:23,280 | 學校的膳食要禁止使用 |
| 02:20:23,280 | 02:20:25,280 | 飲食、受體素的飲品 |
| 02:20:25,280 | 02:20:27,280 | 或受輻射影響的食品 |
| 02:20:28,550 | 02:20:30,550 | 教育部其實要訂定的 |
| 02:20:30,550 | 02:20:32,550 | 這個學校午餐契約範本 |
| 02:20:32,550 | 02:20:34,550 | 本來就有規定 |
| 02:20:34,550 | 02:20:36,550 | 營養午餐要採購國產 |
| 02:20:36,550 | 02:20:38,550 | 可溯源的食材 |
| 02:20:38,550 | 02:20:40,550 | 那一律也都採用 |
| 02:20:40,550 | 02:20:42,550 | 三張EQ的食材 |
| 02:20:42,550 | 02:20:44,550 | 那三張EQ裡面就包含 |
| 02:20:44,550 | 02:20:46,550 | 具有這個CLS標章的肉品 |
| 02:20:46,550 | 02:20:48,550 | 那這些本來就有 |
| 02:20:48,550 | 02:20:50,550 | 通過飲食、受體素這種動物用 |
| 02:20:50,550 | 02:20:52,550 | 要的殘留量的檢驗 |
| 02:20:53,510 | 02:20:55,510 | 那況且在校園目前的 |
| 02:20:55,510 | 02:20:57,510 | 豬肉儀表板上面 |
| 02:20:57,510 | 02:20:59,510 | 建置以來都顯示 |
| 02:20:59,510 | 02:21:01,510 | 百分之百使用國產豬肉 |
| 02:21:01,510 | 02:21:03,510 | 那各種的動物用藥 |
| 02:21:03,510 | 02:21:05,510 | 食品添加物等等 |
| 02:21:05,510 | 02:21:07,510 | 衛生機關本來也已經有相關的規範 |
| 02:21:07,510 | 02:21:09,510 | 所以再加上我前面提到的 |
| 02:21:09,510 | 02:21:11,510 | 這個校園肉品安全 |
| 02:21:11,510 | 02:21:13,510 | 都已經有相關的規範 |
| 02:21:13,510 | 02:21:15,510 | 所以我認為在這裡 |
| 02:21:15,510 | 02:21:17,510 | 就真的不用再特別針對 |
| 02:21:17,510 | 02:21:19,510 | 某種用藥來做 |
| 02:21:19,510 | 02:21:21,510 | 特別的規定 |
| 02:21:21,510 | 02:21:23,510 | 那在教育部現有的這個學校午餐 |
| 02:21:23,510 | 02:21:25,510 | 這個契約裡面 |
| 02:21:25,510 | 02:21:27,510 | 來規範就好 |
| 02:21:27,510 | 02:21:29,510 | 以上 |
| 02:21:31,920 | 02:21:33,920 | 陳佩儀委 |
| 02:22:01,920 | 02:22:03,920 | 調味料 |
| 02:22:03,920 | 02:22:05,920 | 其實在相關的供應契約裡面 |
| 02:22:05,920 | 02:22:07,920 | 不論是地方政府或者是中央主管機關 |
| 02:22:07,920 | 02:22:09,920 | 大家都非常努力 |
| 02:22:09,920 | 02:22:11,920 | 希望採用國產食材 |
| 02:22:11,920 | 02:22:13,920 | 然後在契約範本裡面也是如此 |
| 02:22:13,920 | 02:22:15,920 | 所以我真的建議是不是 |
| 02:22:15,920 | 02:22:17,920 | 拜託各位有提案的委員 |
| 02:22:17,920 | 02:22:19,920 | 包含有寫到23條跟 |
| 02:22:19,920 | 02:22:21,920 | 23條之三的委員 |
| 02:22:21,920 | 02:22:23,920 | 是不是可以用附帶決議的方法 |
| 02:22:23,920 | 02:22:25,920 | 提出你們自己的關心 |
| 02:22:25,920 | 02:22:27,920 | 跟關懷 |
| 02:22:27,920 | 02:22:29,920 | 然後協助 |
| 02:22:29,920 | 02:22:31,920 | 教育部或者是協助地方政府在相關 |
| 02:22:31,920 | 02:22:33,920 | 事情的時候大家是 |
| 02:22:33,920 | 02:22:35,920 | 知道有所規範的 |
| 02:22:35,920 | 02:22:37,920 | 那同時未來我們如果對於午餐 |
| 02:22:37,920 | 02:22:39,920 | 契約範本有任何的意見 |
| 02:22:39,920 | 02:22:41,920 | 跟任何的擔心其實透過跟地方 |
| 02:22:41,920 | 02:22:43,920 | 政府溝通然後請教育部去跟地方 |
| 02:22:43,920 | 02:22:45,920 | 政府溝通請國教署持續監督 |
| 02:22:45,920 | 02:22:47,920 | 甚至在免費營養午餐這個 |
| 02:22:47,920 | 02:22:49,920 | 政策變成全台灣 |
| 02:22:49,920 | 02:22:51,920 | 通行的政策情況下更多 |
| 02:22:51,920 | 02:22:53,920 | 要在意的事情其實都透過 |
| 02:22:53,920 | 02:22:55,920 | 跟地方政府的溝通還有契約範本 |
| 02:22:55,920 | 02:22:57,920 | 我認為其實是有能力足夠去規範 |
| 02:22:57,920 | 02:22:59,920 | 相關內容的所以我是不是 |
| 02:22:59,920 | 02:23:01,920 | 公開建議拜託這些委員可以改成 |
| 02:23:01,920 | 02:23:03,920 | 提案說明的部分 |
| 02:23:03,920 | 02:23:05,920 | 或者是附帶決議的部分 |
| 02:23:05,920 | 02:23:07,920 | 或者是相關的說明 |
| 02:23:07,920 | 02:23:09,920 | 就好了以上謝謝 |
| 02:23:12,830 | 02:23:14,830 | 吳立華委員 |
| 02:23:14,830 | 02:23:16,830 | 吳佩儀委員 |
| 02:23:17,220 | 02:23:19,220 | 陳秀寶委員 |
| 02:23:20,070 | 02:23:22,070 | 郭怡君委員 |
| 02:23:21,610 | 02:23:23,610 | 最後一位 |
| 02:23:28,530 | 02:23:30,530 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 02:23:30,530 | 02:23:32,530 | 那我也是表達一下我的意見 |
| 02:23:32,530 | 02:23:34,530 | 其實我沒有版本 |
| 02:23:34,530 | 02:23:36,530 | 那當然在法律裡面 |
| 02:23:36,530 | 02:23:38,530 | 確實是 |
| 02:23:38,530 | 02:23:40,530 | 不宜把 |
| 02:23:40,530 | 02:23:42,530 | 任何一種的 |
| 02:23:42,530 | 02:23:44,530 | 風險物質寫在 |
| 02:23:44,530 | 02:23:46,530 | 魔法裡面那在法律上 |
| 02:23:46,530 | 02:23:48,530 | 因為是避免掛一漏萬 |
| 02:23:48,530 | 02:23:50,530 | 那但是實際上 |
| 02:23:50,530 | 02:23:52,530 | 我們也看到在 |
| 02:23:52,530 | 02:23:54,530 | 這幾年學校的 |
| 02:23:54,530 | 02:23:56,530 | 午餐契約範本當中 |
| 02:23:56,530 | 02:23:58,530 | 那對於這種 |
| 02:23:58,530 | 02:24:00,530 | 三章EQCAS |
| 02:24:00,530 | 02:24:02,530 | 或者是驗收的機制 |
| 02:24:02,530 | 02:24:04,530 | 確實是已經非常的 |
| 02:24:04,530 | 02:24:06,530 | 嚴謹 |
| 02:24:06,530 | 02:24:08,530 | 只是說教育部 |
| 02:24:08,530 | 02:24:10,530 | 既然說這個契約範本 |
| 02:24:10,530 | 02:24:12,530 | 就已經可以處理好 |
| 02:24:12,530 | 02:24:14,530 | 那是不是就讓契約 |
| 02:24:14,530 | 02:24:16,530 | 真的有牙齒 |
| 02:24:16,530 | 02:24:18,530 | 那它的來源的查驗驗收 |
| 02:24:18,530 | 02:24:20,530 | 履約違規之後 |
| 02:24:20,530 | 02:24:22,530 | 的處理 |
| 02:24:22,530 | 02:24:24,530 | 是不是都有明確的標準 |
| 02:24:24,530 | 02:24:26,530 | 所以在這個部分 |
| 02:24:26,530 | 02:24:28,530 | 我是希望說把 |
| 02:24:28,530 | 02:24:30,530 | 現行已有的規範變成 |
| 02:24:30,530 | 02:24:32,530 | 是可追蹤可 |
| 02:24:32,530 | 02:24:34,530 | 督導的承諾所以這邊 |
| 02:24:34,530 | 02:24:36,530 | 也是想要了解一下教育部 |
| 02:24:36,530 | 02:24:38,530 | 目前契約範本對這個 |
| 02:24:38,530 | 02:24:40,530 | 乙型受體素來源 |
| 02:24:40,530 | 02:24:42,530 | 的查驗跟驗收不合格 |
| 02:24:42,530 | 02:24:44,530 | 的具體處理方式 |
| 02:24:44,530 | 02:24:46,530 | 能不能讓大家知道一下 |
| 02:24:46,530 | 02:24:48,530 | 那地方政府跟 |
| 02:24:48,530 | 02:24:50,530 | 學校它的執行契約範本 |
| 02:24:50,530 | 02:24:52,530 | 有沒有一致性 |
| 02:24:52,530 | 02:24:54,530 | 的積合違約的廠商 |
| 02:24:54,530 | 02:24:56,530 | 他的資訊 |
| 02:24:56,530 | 02:24:58,530 | 有沒有跨校共享 |
| 02:24:58,530 | 02:25:00,530 | 那未來如果食品安全 |
| 02:25:00,530 | 02:25:02,530 | 的風險更新契約 |
| 02:25:02,530 | 02:25:04,530 | 範本它是多久減到 |
| 02:25:04,530 | 02:25:06,530 | 一次那由學 |
| 02:25:06,530 | 02:25:08,530 | 誰來決定怎麼 |
| 02:25:08,530 | 02:25:10,530 | 徵收所以這個部分我想聽一下 |
| 02:25:10,530 | 02:25:12,530 | 教育部的說法謝謝 |
| 02:25:16,540 | 02:25:18,540 | 好請下一位委員 |
| 02:25:18,540 | 02:25:20,540 | 秀寶委員要發言嗎 |
| 02:25:20,540 | 02:25:22,540 | 好你先好不好 |
| 02:25:22,990 | 02:25:24,990 | 謝謝主席關於這題其實我剛剛 |
| 02:25:24,990 | 02:25:26,990 | 講的我呼應一下吳立環委員的說法 |
| 02:25:26,990 | 02:25:28,990 | 因為我要講的大概吳立環委員 |
| 02:25:28,990 | 02:25:30,990 | 都講了我只是想請 |
| 02:25:30,990 | 02:25:32,990 | 教育部這邊說明一下以 |
| 02:25:32,990 | 02:25:34,990 | 現在的學校午餐契約 |
| 02:25:34,990 | 02:25:36,990 | 範本對於 |
| 02:25:36,990 | 02:25:38,990 | 我們孩子的這個午餐 |
| 02:25:38,990 | 02:25:40,990 | 這些相關食材的規範 |
| 02:25:40,990 | 02:25:42,990 | 現在你們所執行的成效 |
| 02:25:42,990 | 02:25:44,990 | 或是說你們自己覺得說以 |
| 02:25:44,990 | 02:25:46,990 | 目前這樣的規範呢足不足 |
| 02:25:46,990 | 02:25:48,990 | 然後還有哪裡需要再做 |
| 02:25:48,990 | 02:25:50,990 | 改進的等一下請教育部說明一下 |
| 02:25:55,960 | 02:25:57,960 | 好我需要二五配一委員 |
| 02:25:58,580 | 02:26:00,580 | 好 |
| 02:26:00,200 | 02:26:02,200 | 昨天我們院長講說現在 |
| 02:26:02,200 | 02:26:04,200 | 立法院有一股黑暗的力量 |
| 02:26:06,830 | 02:26:08,830 | 那這個黑暗的力量呢 |
| 02:26:08,830 | 02:26:10,830 | 因為我看到我們國民黨傅崑琴總召 |
| 02:26:10,830 | 02:26:12,830 | 他在這第23條提案 |
| 02:26:12,830 | 02:26:14,830 | 版本當中 |
| 02:26:14,830 | 02:26:16,830 | 他有幾行文字 |
| 02:26:16,830 | 02:26:18,830 | 我是真的很疑惑跟納悶 |
| 02:26:18,830 | 02:26:20,830 | 他的文字是這樣寫的他寫說呢 |
| 02:26:20,830 | 02:26:22,830 | 禁止使用含 |
| 02:26:22,830 | 02:26:24,830 | 核子事故地區產製 |
| 02:26:24,830 | 02:26:26,830 | 之食材及其出 |
| 02:26:26,830 | 02:26:28,830 | 籍加工品 |
| 02:26:28,830 | 02:26:30,830 | 但是他沒有明定 |
| 02:26:30,830 | 02:26:32,830 | 第一說這是個是多久 |
| 02:26:32,830 | 02:26:34,830 | 之前發生的事故 |
| 02:26:34,830 | 02:26:36,830 | 然後這個所謂的事故地區 |
| 02:26:36,830 | 02:26:38,830 | 他的範圍到底有多大 |
| 02:26:38,830 | 02:26:40,830 | 所以我們就先必須要去 |
| 02:26:40,830 | 02:26:42,830 | 討論核子事故地區的 |
| 02:26:42,830 | 02:26:44,830 | 定義因為我們其實 |
| 02:26:44,830 | 02:26:46,830 | 是有核子事故分類通報跟 |
| 02:26:46,830 | 02:26:48,830 | 應變辦法的好按照 |
| 02:26:48,830 | 02:26:50,830 | 我們這個應變辦法的第二條 |
| 02:26:50,830 | 02:26:52,830 | 核子事故依照 |
| 02:26:52,830 | 02:26:54,830 | 他影響的程度他其實 |
| 02:26:54,830 | 02:26:56,830 | 分類有第一種是緊急戒備 |
| 02:26:56,830 | 02:26:58,830 | 事故第二種場區緊急事故 |
| 02:26:58,830 | 02:27:00,830 | 第三種全面緊急 |
| 02:27:00,830 | 02:27:02,830 | 事故所以如果按照我們 |
| 02:27:02,830 | 02:27:04,830 | 現在這一個核子事故應變辦法的 |
| 02:27:04,830 | 02:27:06,830 | 定義來說的話 |
| 02:27:06,830 | 02:27:08,830 | 那台灣有沒有發生過核子 |
| 02:27:08,830 | 02:27:10,830 | 事故呢是有的 |
| 02:27:12,120 | 02:27:14,120 | 我們詢問了核安會 |
| 02:27:14,120 | 02:27:16,120 | 像2001年的時候在 |
| 02:27:16,120 | 02:27:18,120 | 屏東的核三廠他當時 |
| 02:27:18,120 | 02:27:20,120 | 有發生過在廠區裡面的 |
| 02:27:20,120 | 02:27:22,120 | 廠區緊急事故 |
| 02:27:22,120 | 02:27:24,120 | 所以如果按照這個定義 |
| 02:27:24,120 | 02:27:26,120 | 他也屬於核子事故地區 |
| 02:27:26,120 | 02:27:28,120 | 的話那麼是不是未來 |
| 02:27:28,120 | 02:27:30,120 | 屏東地區產製的食材 |
| 02:27:30,120 | 02:27:32,120 | 跟初級加工品 |
| 02:27:32,120 | 02:27:34,120 | 哇以後都不能用了嗎 |
| 02:27:34,120 | 02:27:36,120 | 按照他現在這個法的寫法 |
| 02:27:36,120 | 02:27:38,120 | 因為他寫這個非常 |
| 02:27:38,120 | 02:27:40,120 | 粗糙然後都沒有具體 |
| 02:27:40,120 | 02:27:42,120 | 的定義我剛剛講時間也沒定 |
| 02:27:42,120 | 02:27:44,120 | 範圍也沒定 |
| 02:27:44,120 | 02:27:46,120 | 按照目前這個傅坤琦總召 |
| 02:27:46,120 | 02:27:48,120 | 的體驗版本這個文字如果真的 |
| 02:27:48,120 | 02:27:50,120 | 修下去了真的不得了 |
| 02:27:50,120 | 02:27:52,120 | 我們變成營養午餐以後不能用屏東 |
| 02:27:52,120 | 02:27:54,120 | 的食材了而且範圍沒 |
| 02:27:54,120 | 02:27:56,120 | 訂定難道周遭的縣市 |
| 02:27:56,120 | 02:27:58,120 | 南台灣食材以後也不能用到營養午餐 |
| 02:27:58,120 | 02:28:00,120 | 了嗎這個我想是現場 |
| 02:28:00,120 | 02:28:02,120 | 在做委員應當大家都不會 |
| 02:28:02,120 | 02:28:04,120 | 認同應該不大認同但是 |
| 02:28:04,120 | 02:28:06,120 | 因為傅坤琦總召沒有來 |
| 02:28:06,120 | 02:28:08,120 | 所以我沒有辦法聽他的說明 |
| 02:28:08,120 | 02:28:10,120 | 所以我真的對這一條 |
| 02:28:10,120 | 02:28:12,120 | 這個相當之 |
| 02:28:12,120 | 02:28:14,120 | 納悶跟疑惑 |
| 02:28:14,120 | 02:28:16,120 | 那我很擔心 |
| 02:28:16,120 | 02:28:18,120 | 按照這個修法版本下去了 |
| 02:28:18,120 | 02:28:20,120 | 那未來對營養午餐使用到 |
| 02:28:20,120 | 02:28:22,120 | 的食材影響甚大 |
| 02:28:22,120 | 02:28:24,120 | 而且對這些縣市的 |
| 02:28:24,120 | 02:28:26,120 | 這些農民 |
| 02:28:26,120 | 02:28:28,120 | 這些產品人家明明是都有 |
| 02:28:28,120 | 02:28:30,120 | 符合安全標準的那因為你 |
| 02:28:30,120 | 02:28:32,120 | 自己立法者文字的粗糙 |
| 02:28:32,120 | 02:28:34,120 | 定義都沒定義 |
| 02:28:34,870 | 02:28:36,870 | 這樣子我覺得對生產者相當之不公平 |
| 02:28:36,870 | 02:28:38,870 | 所以因為提案委員沒有來 |
| 02:28:38,870 | 02:28:40,870 | 不知道替他連署的其他委員 |
| 02:28:40,870 | 02:28:42,870 | 有沒有人可以來協助說明 |
| 02:28:47,040 | 02:28:49,040 | 好 |
| 02:28:48,390 | 02:28:50,390 | 那是換我發言 |
| 02:28:50,390 | 02:28:52,390 | 好不好意思 |
| 02:28:52,390 | 02:28:54,390 | 那我想這個現行我們的學校衛生法 |
| 02:28:54,390 | 02:28:56,390 | 第23條其實已經有明定 |
| 02:28:56,390 | 02:28:58,390 | 這個優先採用這個中央 |
| 02:28:58,390 | 02:29:00,390 | 農業主管機關認證的在地 |
| 02:29:00,390 | 02:29:02,390 | 優良的一個農業產品 |
| 02:29:02,390 | 02:29:04,390 | 那我想這個目前已經有 |
| 02:29:04,390 | 02:29:06,390 | 要求這個學校在 |
| 02:29:06,390 | 02:29:08,390 | 實在優先的採用 |
| 02:29:08,390 | 02:29:10,390 | 就是我們的這個 |
| 02:29:10,390 | 02:29:12,390 | 我覺得剛剛那個部分其實 |
| 02:29:12,390 | 02:29:14,390 | 就已經是現行條文當中的一個 |
| 02:29:14,390 | 02:29:16,390 | 很好的一個把關的機制了 |
| 02:29:16,390 | 02:29:18,390 | 那至於要不要再把 |
| 02:29:18,390 | 02:29:20,390 | 每一個系項全部都列在母法當中 |
| 02:29:20,390 | 02:29:22,390 | 其實這個我想還是有一些 |
| 02:29:22,390 | 02:29:24,390 | 疑慮啦就剛剛幾位委員 |
| 02:29:24,390 | 02:29:26,390 | 所提的那我現在想請 |
| 02:29:26,390 | 02:29:28,390 | 教育部說明的是另外 |
| 02:29:28,390 | 02:29:30,390 | 包含我們這個學校午餐 |
| 02:29:30,390 | 02:29:32,390 | 的一個契約的這個 |
| 02:29:32,390 | 02:29:34,390 | 執行的成果跟 |
| 02:29:34,390 | 02:29:36,390 | 我們後續就是這幾年當中 |
| 02:29:36,390 | 02:29:38,390 | 我們所看到的他們是不是有 |
| 02:29:38,390 | 02:29:40,390 | 依照這個合約的這樣子的一個精神 |
| 02:29:40,390 | 02:29:42,390 | 那另外還包含 |
| 02:29:42,390 | 02:29:44,390 | 這個三張EQ的一個標章的 |
| 02:29:44,390 | 02:29:46,390 | 一個食材喔那應該也是 |
| 02:29:46,390 | 02:29:48,390 | 都有通過這個 |
| 02:29:48,390 | 02:29:50,390 | 衛福部的一個檢驗的 |
| 02:29:50,390 | 02:29:52,390 | 一個規定啦所以其實應該基本上 |
| 02:29:52,390 | 02:29:54,390 | 這個部分應該是有被嚴格的 |
| 02:29:54,390 | 02:29:56,390 | 控管跟跟這樣子的 |
| 02:29:56,390 | 02:29:58,390 | 一個功能跟機制喔所以我個人 |
| 02:29:58,390 | 02:30:00,390 | 認為這一條是不是其實 |
| 02:30:00,390 | 02:30:02,390 | 就照原來的條文啦 |
| 02:30:02,390 | 02:30:04,390 | 然後還有包含23條之三 |
| 02:30:04,390 | 02:30:06,390 | 我個人建議也是照原 |
| 02:30:06,390 | 02:30:08,390 | 原用的條文那等一下請教育部 |
| 02:30:08,390 | 02:30:10,390 | 說明一下就是包含我們的這個 |
| 02:30:10,390 | 02:30:12,390 | 契約的營養午餐的這個 |
| 02:30:12,390 | 02:30:14,390 | 部分執行的成果如何 |
| 02:30:14,390 | 02:30:16,390 | 好以上 |
| 02:30:18,010 | 02:30:20,010 | 什麼剛午下的也有舉手嗎 |
| 02:30:21,420 | 02:30:23,420 | 沒有喔OK |
| 02:30:23,420 | 02:30:25,420 | 委員就剛剛說是葉倫芝委員 |
| 02:30:32,680 | 02:30:34,680 | 那我覺得這條是不是就保留 |
| 02:30:38,200 | 02:30:40,200 | 好 |
| 02:30:39,500 | 02:30:41,500 | 請教育部說明 |
| 02:30:41,270 | 02:30:43,270 | 好教育部這邊也希望能夠 |
| 02:30:43,270 | 02:30:45,270 | 保留維持原條文 |
| 02:30:45,270 | 02:30:47,270 | 那剛剛23條 |
| 02:30:47,270 | 02:30:49,270 | 之三這邊說的就不用再 |
| 02:30:49,270 | 02:30:51,270 | 說明我特別說明一下 |
| 02:30:51,270 | 02:30:53,270 | 就是我們在那個午餐 |
| 02:30:53,270 | 02:30:55,270 | 契約範本裡頭其實都有 |
| 02:30:55,270 | 02:30:57,270 | 訂定就是如果學校的 |
| 02:30:57,270 | 02:30:59,270 | 那個 |
| 02:30:59,270 | 02:31:01,270 | 業者有違反 |
| 02:31:01,270 | 02:31:03,270 | 那個規定的話基本上我們都 |
| 02:31:03,270 | 02:31:05,270 | 會記點也有 |
| 02:31:05,270 | 02:31:07,270 | 那個違約金的那個 |
| 02:31:07,270 | 02:31:09,270 | 罰則的那個規定那如果沒有依照 |
| 02:31:09,270 | 02:31:11,270 | 規定的話基本上是會終止 |
| 02:31:11,270 | 02:31:13,270 | 契約的話 |
| 02:31:13,270 | 02:31:15,270 | 那委員也 |
| 02:31:15,270 | 02:31:17,270 | 關心就是說我們現在優先 |
| 02:31:17,270 | 02:31:19,270 | 採用311Q的那個情形 |
| 02:31:19,270 | 02:31:21,270 | 目前我們已經達到大概 |
| 02:31:21,270 | 02:31:23,270 | 99%以上 |
| 02:31:23,270 | 02:31:25,270 | 都是國產可溯源 |
| 02:31:25,270 | 02:31:27,270 | 的食材而且 |
| 02:31:27,270 | 02:31:29,270 | 我們都有規定要登錄到 |
| 02:31:29,270 | 02:31:31,270 | 食材平台那 |
| 02:31:31,270 | 02:31:33,270 | 委員剛剛有關心說我們這裡面 |
| 02:31:33,270 | 02:31:35,270 | 就是契約是不是都 |
| 02:31:35,270 | 02:31:37,270 | 與時俱進我們大概都會依照 |
| 02:31:37,270 | 02:31:39,270 | 就是當時一些 |
| 02:31:39,270 | 02:31:41,270 | 重要的議題或是 |
| 02:31:41,270 | 02:31:43,270 | 關心的那個 |
| 02:31:43,270 | 02:31:45,270 | 社會關心午餐的 |
| 02:31:45,270 | 02:31:47,270 | 那個情形我們都有修條 |
| 02:31:47,270 | 02:31:49,270 | 比如說113年我們就 |
| 02:31:49,270 | 02:31:51,270 | 有依物條去調整 |
| 02:31:51,270 | 02:31:53,270 | 那個午餐費的那個計算的 |
| 02:31:53,270 | 02:31:55,270 | 那個基準那115 |
| 02:31:55,270 | 02:31:57,270 | 年我們今年年初 |
| 02:31:57,270 | 02:31:59,270 | 其實有針對廚餘 |
| 02:31:59,270 | 02:32:01,270 | 的那個部分也有修到 |
| 02:32:01,270 | 02:32:03,270 | 那個契約的範本裡面 |
| 02:32:03,270 | 02:32:05,270 | 也就是說我們對那個午餐 |
| 02:32:05,270 | 02:32:07,270 | 的那個安全的保障 |
| 02:32:07,270 | 02:32:09,270 | 其實我們是有很 |
| 02:32:09,270 | 02:32:11,270 | 嚴謹的一個把關 |
| 02:32:11,270 | 02:32:13,270 | 希望委員可以同意 |
| 02:32:13,270 | 02:32:15,270 | 這一條是維持原條 |
| 02:32:15,720 | 02:32:17,720 | 不好意思最後一句話可以再重複一次嗎 |
| 02:32:17,720 | 02:32:19,720 | 希望能夠同意 |
| 02:32:19,720 | 02:32:21,720 | 維持原條文 |
| 02:32:21,720 | 02:32:23,720 | OK好謝謝好那我的建議 |
| 02:32:23,720 | 02:32:25,720 | 是第23條有關於 |
| 02:32:25,720 | 02:32:27,720 | 這個條文 |
| 02:32:27,720 | 02:32:29,720 | 建議先行保留理由 |
| 02:32:29,720 | 02:32:31,720 | 是因為學校會午餐 |
| 02:32:31,720 | 02:32:33,720 | 法等16條有 |
| 02:32:33,720 | 02:32:35,720 | 討論到學校午餐 |
| 02:32:35,720 | 02:32:37,720 | 那學校的這個 |
| 02:32:37,720 | 02:32:39,720 | 午餐法呢我們這個 |
| 02:32:39,720 | 02:32:41,720 | 一樣午餐的相關 |
| 02:32:41,720 | 02:32:43,720 | 條例也已經進入到 |
| 02:32:43,720 | 02:32:45,720 | 送出委員會 |
| 02:32:45,720 | 02:32:47,720 | 那有協商 |
| 02:32:47,720 | 02:32:49,720 | 的過程喔 |
| 02:32:49,720 | 02:32:51,720 | 那所以是建議說也牽扯到學校 |
| 02:32:51,720 | 02:32:53,720 | 的23條所以就 |
| 02:32:53,720 | 02:32:55,720 | 一併保留到協商大家共同 |
| 02:32:55,720 | 02:32:57,720 | 來討論這個是我的建議 |
| 02:32:57,720 | 02:32:59,720 | 那請委員再表達 |
| 02:32:59,720 | 02:33:01,720 | 你們的意見以上 |
| 02:33:06,410 | 02:33:08,410 | 那就保留 |
| 02:33:08,470 | 02:33:10,470 | 好同意保留 |
| 02:33:10,470 | 02:33:12,470 | 只是說最終 |
| 02:33:12,470 | 02:33:14,470 | 對最終就是說因為我想 |
| 02:33:14,470 | 02:33:16,470 | 學校會怎麼但等一下還有一些 |
| 02:33:16,470 | 02:33:18,470 | 條文我想很 |
| 02:33:18,470 | 02:33:20,470 | 前面好不容易大家都各黨有共識 |
| 02:33:20,470 | 02:33:22,470 | 那我建議就是說 |
| 02:33:22,470 | 02:33:24,470 | 是不是這過去也常常這樣 |
| 02:33:24,470 | 02:33:26,470 | 有這個慣例我們在 |
| 02:33:26,470 | 02:33:28,470 | 最終審完以後 |
| 02:33:28,470 | 02:33:30,470 | 有爭議的還要在 |
| 02:33:30,470 | 02:33:32,470 | 協商的我們保留但是 |
| 02:33:32,470 | 02:33:34,470 | 前面OK的大家都很有 |
| 02:33:34,470 | 02:33:36,470 | 共識的可以另外一包 |
| 02:33:36,470 | 02:33:38,470 | 所以對醫事人員來講就是把 |
| 02:33:38,470 | 02:33:40,470 | 這個審查報告分兩個 |
| 02:33:40,470 | 02:33:42,470 | 當然就徵求大家共同的 |
| 02:33:42,470 | 02:33:44,470 | 決議這樣子就不會影響到 |
| 02:33:44,470 | 02:33:46,470 | 已經通過的條文的 |
| 02:33:46,470 | 02:33:48,470 | 上路這樣子但是這個可以在 |
| 02:33:48,470 | 02:33:50,470 | 最後我們條文看完以後 |
| 02:33:50,470 | 02:33:52,470 | 再來或者是在這一條要 |
| 02:33:52,470 | 02:33:54,470 | 做成這個保留的採試之前 |
| 02:33:54,470 | 02:33:56,470 | 我先表達那我同意這一條保留 |
| 02:34:01,760 | 02:34:02,260 | 好 |
| 02:34:02,820 | 02:34:04,820 | 第二三條條文修正 |
| 02:34:05,170 | 02:34:07,170 | 我們保留松月會處理 |
| 02:34:11,340 | 02:34:13,340 | 好我們進入到第二三條 |
| 02:34:13,340 | 02:34:15,340 | 這條文修正由委員二 |
| 02:34:15,340 | 02:34:17,340 | 廖宇翔等十八人 |
| 02:34:17,340 | 02:34:19,340 | 提案 |
| 02:34:20,440 | 02:34:22,440 | 那對不起因為我還是一樣 |
| 02:34:22,440 | 02:34:24,440 | 就直接建議加快我們的速度 |
| 02:34:24,440 | 02:34:26,440 | 因為第二三條跟二三條之三 |
| 02:34:26,440 | 02:34:28,440 | 都有學校午餐法的 |
| 02:34:28,440 | 02:34:30,440 | 這個部分都有 |
| 02:34:30,440 | 02:34:32,440 | 相關的簽連到 |
| 02:34:32,440 | 02:34:34,440 | 所以是一併保留 |
| 02:34:34,440 | 02:34:36,440 | 那松月會處理 |
| 02:34:36,990 | 02:34:38,990 | 好謝謝各位委員支持 |
| 02:34:38,990 | 02:34:40,990 | 第二四條條文 |
| 02:34:40,990 | 02:34:42,990 | 修正由委員葉元之 |
| 02:34:42,990 | 02:34:44,990 | 等二十人 |
| 02:34:44,990 | 02:34:46,990 | 來提案 |
| 02:34:46,990 | 02:34:48,990 | 張家俊十八人提案 |
| 02:34:48,990 | 02:34:50,990 | 但是由委員吳立華 |
| 02:34:50,990 | 02:34:52,990 | 所提修正動議 |
| 02:34:52,990 | 02:34:54,990 | 那請委員提出你們的建議 |
| 02:34:54,990 | 02:34:56,990 | 謝謝 |
| 02:35:02,220 | 02:35:04,220 | 吳立華委員先你的修正動議好不好 |
| 02:35:04,220 | 02:35:06,220 | 再葉元之委員謝謝 |
| 02:35:09,730 | 02:35:11,730 | 案 |
| 02:35:11,070 | 02:35:13,070 | 當然 |
| 02:35:13,070 | 02:35:15,070 | 因為考量到電子煙 |
| 02:35:15,070 | 02:35:17,070 | 在這幾年 |
| 02:35:17,070 | 02:35:19,070 | 校園裡面的辨識度 |
| 02:35:19,070 | 02:35:21,070 | 還有社會的關注都是高的 |
| 02:35:21,070 | 02:35:23,070 | 所以 |
| 02:35:23,070 | 02:35:25,070 | 民文化我個人是 |
| 02:35:25,070 | 02:35:27,070 | 沒有意見 |
| 02:35:27,070 | 02:35:29,070 | 只是說煙害防治法 |
| 02:35:29,070 | 02:35:31,070 | 已經禁電子煙了 |
| 02:35:31,070 | 02:35:33,070 | 那正因為如此 |
| 02:35:33,070 | 02:35:35,070 | 所以學校衛生法還是停留在 |
| 02:35:35,070 | 02:35:37,070 | 煙那個字 |
| 02:35:37,070 | 02:35:39,070 | 就顯得落後 |
| 02:35:39,070 | 02:35:41,070 | 所以這次我們是想說 |
| 02:35:41,070 | 02:35:43,070 | 不是創造新的禁令 |
| 02:35:43,070 | 02:35:45,070 | 而是把校園魔法的用語 |
| 02:35:45,070 | 02:35:47,070 | 更新成 |
| 02:35:47,070 | 02:35:49,070 | 煙害防治法的用法就是 |
| 02:35:49,070 | 02:35:51,070 | 煙品及類煙品 |
| 02:35:51,070 | 02:35:53,070 | 那跟現行的 |
| 02:35:53,070 | 02:35:55,070 | 煙害防治法來接軌 |
| 02:35:55,070 | 02:35:57,070 | 讓老師家長學生看到 |
| 02:35:57,070 | 02:35:59,070 | 這個法條文字就會知道說 |
| 02:35:59,070 | 02:36:01,070 | 電子煙已經不是 |
| 02:36:01,070 | 02:36:03,070 | 灰色地帶這樣 |
| 02:36:03,070 | 02:36:05,070 | 所以做這樣的修正動議 |
| 02:36:05,070 | 02:36:07,070 | 謝謝請葉元之委員 |
| 02:36:07,380 | 02:36:09,380 | 我這條是說 |
| 02:36:09,380 | 02:36:11,380 | 把全面禁煙 |
| 02:36:11,380 | 02:36:13,380 | 跟電子煙還有不得販售 |
| 02:36:13,380 | 02:36:15,380 | 尼古丁相關的製品 |
| 02:36:15,380 | 02:36:17,380 | 教育部他是說建議維持 |
| 02:36:17,380 | 02:36:19,380 | 現行條文是因為他說 |
| 02:36:19,380 | 02:36:21,380 | 在現在的條文裡面已經明定 |
| 02:36:21,380 | 02:36:23,380 | 禁止各類煙品 |
| 02:36:23,380 | 02:36:25,380 | 可是實際上你去看煙害防治法 |
| 02:36:25,380 | 02:36:27,380 | 煙害防治法對於 |
| 02:36:27,380 | 02:36:29,380 | 煙品跟電子煙 |
| 02:36:29,380 | 02:36:31,380 | 就是兩個不同類別 |
| 02:36:31,380 | 02:36:33,380 | 煙的話就是叫煙品 |
| 02:36:33,380 | 02:36:35,380 | 電子煙叫做類煙品 |
| 02:36:35,380 | 02:36:39,380 | 那是指煙品以外的物料 |
| 02:36:39,380 | 02:36:41,380 | 或是模仿煙品使用 |
| 02:36:41,380 | 02:36:43,380 | 尼古丁或非尼古丁的 |
| 02:36:43,380 | 02:36:45,380 | 電子或非電子煙的組合物 |
| 02:36:45,380 | 02:36:47,380 | 所以它是不 |
| 02:36:47,380 | 02:36:49,380 | 煙害防治法是不同的東西 |
| 02:36:49,380 | 02:36:51,380 | 所以你即便是講說各式煙品 |
| 02:36:51,380 | 02:36:53,380 | 在法律上可能也會 |
| 02:36:53,380 | 02:36:55,380 | 排除電子煙 |
| 02:36:55,380 | 02:36:57,380 | 而且電子煙的煙是 |
| 02:36:57,380 | 02:36:59,380 | 跟煙品的煙是不同的煙 |
| 02:36:59,380 | 02:37:01,380 | 所以我覺得 |
| 02:37:01,380 | 02:37:03,380 | 教育部這樣的一個說明我不是 |
| 02:37:03,380 | 02:37:05,380 | 很能夠理解 |
| 02:37:05,380 | 02:37:07,380 | 所以我還是建議說把電子煙 |
| 02:37:07,380 | 02:37:09,380 | 還有尼古丁相關製品放在這條裡面 |
| 02:37:09,380 | 02:37:11,380 | OK好謝謝 |
| 02:37:11,380 | 02:37:13,380 | 這樣子我一個建議 |
| 02:37:13,380 | 02:37:15,380 | 因為吳立華委員葉元之委員的提案 |
| 02:37:15,380 | 02:37:17,380 | 不管是附帶 |
| 02:37:17,380 | 02:37:19,380 | 修正動議 |
| 02:37:19,380 | 02:37:21,380 | 或者是我們的這一個文字提案 |
| 02:37:21,380 | 02:37:23,380 | 我都覺得非常很好 |
| 02:37:23,380 | 02:37:25,380 | 我們是不是就把它給綜合起來 |
| 02:37:25,380 | 02:37:27,380 | 呈現在螢幕上 |
| 02:37:27,380 | 02:37:29,380 | 我們就直接修訂這一條 |
| 02:37:29,380 | 02:37:31,380 | 那我們先請已經放入到 |
| 02:37:31,380 | 02:37:33,380 | 螢幕上的這一個文字 |
| 02:37:33,380 | 02:37:35,380 | 待會請議事人員來幫我們宣讀一下 |
| 02:37:39,890 | 02:37:41,890 | 畫面 |
| 02:37:42,050 | 02:37:44,050 | 再麻煩一下 |
| 02:37:48,040 | 02:37:50,040 | 好來 |
| 02:37:50,370 | 02:37:52,370 | 把這個文字都一併 |
| 02:37:52,370 | 02:37:54,370 | 仲裁啦好不好 |
| 02:37:54,370 | 02:37:56,370 | 我希望說我們仲裁 |
| 02:37:57,390 | 02:37:59,390 | 綜合採納 |
| 02:38:05,080 | 02:38:07,080 | 尼古丁的部分也要放進去喔 |
| 02:38:12,830 | 02:38:14,830 | 好 |
| 02:38:14,010 | 02:38:16,010 | 請多一文字刪除謝謝 |
| 02:38:18,360 | 02:38:20,360 | 好請宣讀 |
| 02:38:22,580 | 02:38:24,580 | 第二四條 |
| 02:38:31,370 | 02:38:33,370 | 請多一文字 |
| 02:38:33,370 | 02:38:35,370 | 九 |
| 02:38:35,370 | 02:38:37,370 | 及其他有害身心健康之物質 |
| 02:38:37,370 | 02:38:39,370 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 02:38:39,890 | 02:38:41,890 | 好那委員這樣子仲裁大家的意見 |
| 02:38:41,890 | 02:38:43,890 | 我覺得更為妥善 |
| 02:38:43,890 | 02:38:45,890 | 是不是我這樣子的一個處理 |
| 02:38:45,890 | 02:38:47,890 | 大家可以同意呢 |
| 02:38:51,820 | 02:38:53,820 | 教育部OK嗎 |
| 02:38:53,820 | 02:38:55,820 | 我們就照螢幕上所呈現的文字 |
| 02:38:55,820 | 02:38:57,820 | 修正通過 |
| 02:38:57,820 | 02:38:59,820 | 來保障我們這個電子煙類 |
| 02:38:59,820 | 02:39:01,820 | 煙瓶喔還有這個 |
| 02:39:01,820 | 02:39:03,820 | 救世的煙瓶全面納入 |
| 02:39:03,820 | 02:39:05,820 | 來守護孩子的身心靈 |
| 02:39:05,820 | 02:39:07,820 | 健康在學校的發展 |
| 02:39:07,820 | 02:39:09,820 | 那也感謝 |
| 02:39:11,350 | 02:39:13,350 | 第二十五條 |
| 02:39:13,350 | 02:39:15,350 | 條文修正由委員許富奎 |
| 02:39:15,350 | 02:39:17,350 | 等十八人一個提案 |
| 02:39:20,820 | 02:39:22,820 | 我們就直接請教育部回應好不好 |
| 02:39:22,820 | 02:39:24,820 | 謝謝 |
| 02:39:31,920 | 02:39:33,920 | 好請直接回應謝謝 |
| 02:40:01,920 | 02:40:03,920 | 條文 |
| 02:40:02,970 | 02:40:04,970 | 好 |
| 02:40:03,980 | 02:40:05,980 | 那我是具體的建議 |
| 02:40:05,980 | 02:40:07,980 | 是不是委員 |
| 02:40:07,980 | 02:40:09,980 | 我個人認為 |
| 02:40:09,980 | 02:40:11,980 | 該委員所提出的條文 |
| 02:40:11,980 | 02:40:13,980 | 建議也有其必要性 |
| 02:40:13,980 | 02:40:15,980 | 但是呢也 |
| 02:40:15,980 | 02:40:17,980 | 參採教育部的意見 |
| 02:40:17,980 | 02:40:19,980 | 是不是我們就 |
| 02:40:19,980 | 02:40:21,980 | 維持現行條文 |
| 02:40:21,980 | 02:40:23,980 | 但是該委員 |
| 02:40:23,980 | 02:40:25,980 | 對於教學與運動 |
| 02:40:25,980 | 02:40:27,980 | 遊戲器材之應考 |
| 02:40:29,310 | 02:40:31,310 | 綠通用設計之精神 |
| 02:40:31,310 | 02:40:33,310 | 符合不同年齡性別能力 |
| 02:40:33,310 | 02:40:35,310 | 或身心障礙之安全 |
| 02:40:35,310 | 02:40:37,310 | 健康及使用 |
| 02:40:37,310 | 02:40:39,310 | 便利 |
| 02:40:39,310 | 02:40:41,310 | 並應隨時維護 |
| 02:40:41,310 | 02:40:43,310 | 相關的文字喔 |
| 02:40:43,310 | 02:40:45,310 | 能不能用附帶決議 |
| 02:40:45,310 | 02:40:47,310 | 或者是寫在立法 |
| 02:40:47,310 | 02:40:49,310 | 說明喔來呈現 |
| 02:40:49,310 | 02:40:51,310 | 讓其能夠更加完備 |
| 02:40:51,310 | 02:40:53,310 | 這個是我的具體建議 |
| 02:40:53,310 | 02:40:55,310 | 也請委員給予 |
| 02:40:55,310 | 02:40:57,310 | 指教 |
| 02:40:56,650 | 02:40:58,650 | 我們挖掘委員 |
| 02:40:58,340 | 02:41:00,340 | 可以嗎 |
| 02:41:00,340 | 02:41:02,340 | 對就是認同主席剛才的裁決 |
| 02:41:02,340 | 02:41:04,340 | 我有提附帶決議 |
| 02:41:04,340 | 02:41:06,340 | 就是按照你那樣 |
| 02:41:06,340 | 02:41:08,340 | 你附帶決議要跟大家一起簽嗎 |
| 02:41:08,340 | 02:41:10,340 | 沒有沒有關係我就可以一起簽 |
| 02:41:10,340 | 02:41:12,340 | 好OK好 |
| 02:41:12,340 | 02:41:14,340 | 就是如您剛剛所說的就是 |
| 02:41:14,340 | 02:41:16,340 | 至少教育部這個地方要 |
| 02:41:16,340 | 02:41:18,340 | 督導地方政府協助所轄的 |
| 02:41:18,340 | 02:41:20,340 | 小學 |
| 02:41:20,340 | 02:41:22,340 | 然後依衛生福利部兒童共融 |
| 02:41:22,340 | 02:41:24,340 | 遊戲場的相關規範 |
| 02:41:24,340 | 02:41:26,340 | 定期辦理檢驗及備查 |
| 02:41:26,340 | 02:41:28,340 | 確實安全檢查及缺失改善 |
| 02:41:28,340 | 02:41:30,340 | 維護遊戲設施的安全 |
| 02:41:30,340 | 02:41:32,340 | 營造友善共融的學習及成長環境 |
| 02:41:34,500 | 02:41:36,500 | 好謝謝你的建議 |
| 02:41:36,500 | 02:41:38,500 | 那我們就一起簽 |
| 02:41:37,180 | 02:41:39,180 | 再來 |
| 02:41:38,990 | 02:41:40,990 | 320委員 |
| 02:41:42,990 | 02:41:44,990 | 這一題我有個小提醒 |
| 02:41:44,990 | 02:41:46,990 | 就是說因為我們在運動 |
| 02:41:46,990 | 02:41:48,990 | 遊戲器材要考慮到 |
| 02:41:48,990 | 02:41:50,990 | 通用設計的時候 |
| 02:41:50,990 | 02:41:52,990 | 可能會有一個挑戰 |
| 02:41:52,990 | 02:41:54,990 | 就是說因為通用設計一般就是說 |
| 02:41:54,990 | 02:41:56,990 | 我們講的是易達性可及性的 |
| 02:41:56,990 | 02:41:58,990 | 這個概念可是因為遊戲器材 |
| 02:41:58,990 | 02:42:00,990 | 最主要它還要幫助孩童的 |
| 02:42:00,990 | 02:42:02,990 | 身心發展那 |
| 02:42:02,990 | 02:42:04,990 | 視障的孩子跟 |
| 02:42:04,990 | 02:42:06,990 | 還有特教的孩子跟身障的孩子其實 |
| 02:42:06,990 | 02:42:08,990 | 所需要的遊戲器材會非常不一樣 |
| 02:42:08,990 | 02:42:10,990 | 那如果今天就是 |
| 02:42:10,990 | 02:42:12,990 | 建置使用通用設計的時候 |
| 02:42:12,990 | 02:42:14,990 | 可能就會造成有一些的 |
| 02:42:14,990 | 02:42:16,990 | 遊戲設施它會沒有辦法 |
| 02:42:16,990 | 02:42:18,990 | 滿足這樣子的一個需求 |
| 02:42:18,990 | 02:42:20,990 | 那它可能就沒有辦法存在 |
| 02:42:20,990 | 02:42:22,990 | 那這個之前其實已經有團體 |
| 02:42:22,990 | 02:42:24,990 | 跟這個衛福部來開 |
| 02:42:24,990 | 02:42:26,990 | 這個協調會了 |
| 02:42:26,990 | 02:42:28,990 | 所以這部分做一個提醒 |
| 02:42:32,130 | 02:42:34,130 | 那說一副代決一寫上去 |
| 02:42:34,130 | 02:42:36,130 | OK嗎 張立委員 |
| 02:42:36,940 | 02:42:38,940 | 這個部分就是會要 |
| 02:42:38,940 | 02:42:40,940 | 我是想說這個文字上面可不可以 |
| 02:42:40,940 | 02:42:42,940 | 修正一下通用設計的部分 |
| 02:42:46,270 | 02:42:48,270 | 你是說附帶決議的文字修正嗎 |
| 02:42:48,270 | 02:42:50,270 | 那你要跟吳立華委員 |
| 02:42:50,270 | 02:42:52,270 | 對對對 我可以 |
| 02:42:52,480 | 02:42:54,480 | 我們可以 |
| 02:42:54,480 | 02:42:56,480 | 你可以改建議 |
| 02:42:56,480 | 02:42:58,480 | 但是他要採納 |
| 02:42:58,480 | 02:43:00,480 | 蔡村仲委員 |
| 02:43:00,480 | 02:43:02,480 | 那請張亞林委員跟吳立華委員 |
| 02:43:02,480 | 02:43:04,480 | 趕快將修正文字 |
| 02:43:05,250 | 02:43:07,250 | 要附帶決議 修正文字趕快 |
| 02:43:07,250 | 02:43:09,250 | 更正喔 謝謝 |
| 02:43:09,250 | 02:43:11,250 | 剛剛昭偉 |
| 02:43:11,250 | 02:43:13,250 | 有提到說 |
| 02:43:13,250 | 02:43:15,250 | 要附帶決議 我也 |
| 02:43:15,250 | 02:43:17,250 | 也是贊成 |
| 02:43:17,250 | 02:43:19,250 | 但這裡呢 |
| 02:43:19,250 | 02:43:21,250 | 做一個說明 |
| 02:43:21,250 | 02:43:23,250 | 對於這個運動 |
| 02:43:23,260 | 02:43:25,260 | 器材呢 |
| 02:43:25,260 | 02:43:27,260 | 我們要強調運動平權 |
| 02:43:27,260 | 02:43:29,260 | 所以呢 |
| 02:43:29,260 | 02:43:31,260 | 在對於身心障礙的 |
| 02:43:31,260 | 02:43:33,260 | 這樣的一個器材 |
| 02:43:33,260 | 02:43:35,260 | 我們都要考量到 |
| 02:43:35,260 | 02:43:37,260 | 因為現在目前呢 |
| 02:43:37,260 | 02:43:39,260 | 我們身心障礙其實都有 |
| 02:43:39,260 | 02:43:41,260 | 啞帕 奧運 |
| 02:43:41,260 | 02:43:43,260 | 所以這一些的設計 |
| 02:43:43,260 | 02:43:45,260 | 也都要考量進去 |
| 02:43:45,260 | 02:43:47,260 | 以上 |
| 02:43:48,030 | 02:43:50,030 | 好 那我們就 |
| 02:43:50,030 | 02:43:52,030 | 麻煩喔 |
| 02:43:52,030 | 02:43:54,030 | 依照我們的附帶決議 |
| 02:43:54,030 | 02:43:56,030 | 有 |
| 02:43:56,030 | 02:43:58,030 | 第25條由委員提出附帶決議 |
| 02:43:58,030 | 02:44:00,030 | 委員吳立華等人提案 |
| 02:44:00,030 | 02:44:02,030 | 請問委員有無補充 |
| 02:44:02,660 | 02:44:04,660 | 好 沒有 機關代表有無補充說明 |
| 02:44:06,020 | 02:44:08,020 | 好 沒有 |
| 02:44:08,020 | 02:44:10,020 | 那我們就是 |
| 02:44:09,830 | 02:44:11,830 | 有修正 |
| 02:44:11,120 | 02:44:13,120 | 好 照修正文字通過 |
| 02:44:17,650 | 02:44:19,650 | 好 |
| 02:44:19,270 | 02:44:21,270 | 學校衛生法第21條附帶決議 |
| 02:44:21,270 | 02:44:23,270 | 剛剛也有委員 |
| 02:44:23,270 | 02:44:25,270 | 有提出來 已經引給大家了 |
| 02:44:25,270 | 02:44:27,270 | 第21條委員提出 |
| 02:44:27,270 | 02:44:29,270 | 附帶決議吳立華委員 |
| 02:44:29,270 | 02:44:31,270 | 委員有沒有說明 |
| 02:44:32,610 | 02:44:34,610 | 好 沒有 機關有沒有說明 |
| 02:44:36,180 | 02:44:38,180 | 好 沒有 吳易建照案通過 |
| 02:44:38,180 | 02:44:40,180 | 以上 |
| 02:44:41,680 | 02:44:43,680 | 第25條我們就是 |
| 02:44:45,590 | 02:44:47,590 | 不予修正喔 維持現行條文 |
| 02:44:47,590 | 02:44:49,590 | 但 |
| 02:44:48,410 | 02:44:50,410 | 附帶決議 |
| 02:44:50,790 | 02:44:52,790 | 也照案通過 |
| 02:44:52,970 | 02:44:54,970 | 以上 |
| 02:44:57,050 | 02:44:59,050 | 審查結果免於懸浮宣讀 |
| 02:44:59,050 | 02:45:01,050 | 在不影響條文文藝前提下 |
| 02:45:01,050 | 02:45:03,050 | 文字條字標點符號 |
| 02:45:03,050 | 02:45:05,050 | 統一提列 |
| 02:45:05,050 | 02:45:07,050 | 授權醫師人員整理列入紀錄 |
| 02:45:07,050 | 02:45:09,050 | 本案逐條均已處理完畢 |
| 02:45:09,050 | 02:45:11,050 | 作以下宣告 |
| 02:45:11,050 | 02:45:13,050 | 學校衛生法部分條文相關 |
| 02:45:13,050 | 02:45:15,050 | 修正條案已全部審查完畢 |
| 02:45:15,050 | 02:45:17,050 | 並按擬據 |
| 02:45:17,050 | 02:45:19,050 | 審查報告提請 |
| 02:45:19,050 | 02:45:21,050 | 院會公決 |
| 02:45:21,050 | 02:45:23,050 | 本案是否要交由黨團協商 |
| 02:45:23,900 | 02:45:25,900 | 需交由喔 因為有保留 |
| 02:45:25,900 | 02:45:27,900 | OK OK 好 |
| 02:45:28,470 | 02:45:30,470 | 也 |
| 02:45:29,470 | 02:45:31,470 | 是 吳司要委員請說 |
| 02:45:32,270 | 02:45:36,270 | 我想要那個因為好不容易大家有共識的 |
| 02:45:36,370 | 02:45:38,370 | 都過了嘛 |
| 02:45:38,370 | 02:45:40,370 | 那就只有23條跟23之3 |
| 02:45:40,370 | 02:45:42,370 | 保留 |
| 02:45:42,370 | 02:45:44,370 | 那我在主席採試的時候我想 |
| 02:45:44,370 | 02:45:46,370 | 還要再確認一下確認一下 |
| 02:45:46,370 | 02:45:48,370 | 是不是如同我們剛剛的建議 |
| 02:45:48,370 | 02:45:50,370 | 就是把它分兩個審查報告 |
| 02:45:50,370 | 02:45:52,370 | 好 然後有 |
| 02:45:52,370 | 02:45:54,370 | 有1億的兩個條文 |
| 02:45:54,370 | 02:45:56,370 | 我們就保留協商 |
| 02:45:56,370 | 02:45:58,370 | 但是其他沒有1億的 |
| 02:45:58,370 | 02:46:00,370 | 就做成一個審查報告 |
| 02:46:00,370 | 02:46:02,370 | 直接送院會 |
| 02:46:02,370 | 02:46:04,370 | 因為這個我們很希望在這個會期啦 |
| 02:46:04,370 | 02:46:06,370 | 我們也要再研會 昨天韓院長講的很好嘛 |
| 02:46:06,370 | 02:46:08,370 | 我們總不能研會一事無成嘛 |
| 02:46:08,370 | 02:46:10,370 | 對不對 那我們應該交出 |
| 02:46:10,370 | 02:46:12,370 | 這個起碼的功課嘛 |
| 02:46:12,370 | 02:46:14,370 | 所以說為了時間 |
| 02:46:14,370 | 02:46:16,370 | 也為了讓這個校園的 |
| 02:46:16,370 | 02:46:18,370 | 食安能夠 |
| 02:46:18,370 | 02:46:20,370 | 快速的獲得保障 |
| 02:46:20,370 | 02:46:22,370 | 跟提升 所以說 |
| 02:46:22,370 | 02:46:24,370 | 這個 欸 是不是剛剛前面的 |
| 02:46:25,930 | 02:46:27,930 | 都有共識的條文 一個審查報告 |
| 02:46:27,930 | 02:46:29,930 | 先送 趕快院會就可以通過 |
| 02:46:29,930 | 02:46:31,930 | 三讀 好 我們這個會期 |
| 02:46:31,930 | 02:46:33,930 | 交出來的成績單 |
| 02:46:33,930 | 02:46:35,930 | 不要一事無成 |
| 02:46:35,930 | 02:46:37,930 | 然後 對 因為那個還要冷凍協商 |
| 02:46:37,930 | 02:46:39,930 | 一個月 就是下個會期了 |
| 02:46:39,930 | 02:46:41,930 | 而且下個會期 |
| 02:46:41,930 | 02:46:43,930 | 又有新的預算 |
| 02:46:43,930 | 02:46:45,930 | 就真的又在等啦 |
| 02:46:45,930 | 02:46:47,930 | 所以我覺得這樣子的處理 |
| 02:46:47,930 | 02:46:49,930 | 而且我們過去的案例非常多 |
| 02:46:49,930 | 02:46:51,930 | 等一下12點半要協商 |
| 02:46:51,930 | 02:46:53,930 | 的右照法就是這樣嘛 |
| 02:46:53,930 | 02:46:55,930 | 每一個條文都 |
| 02:46:55,930 | 02:46:57,930 | 右照法有分五包 |
| 02:46:57,930 | 02:46:59,930 | 分五個審查報告 |
| 02:46:59,930 | 02:47:01,930 | 這個是建議大家這個沒有任何 |
| 02:47:01,930 | 02:47:03,930 | 什麼政黨的 也沒有什麼 |
| 02:47:03,930 | 02:47:05,930 | 不良的企圖都沒有 |
| 02:47:05,930 | 02:47:07,930 | 只是為了讓它加速 |
| 02:47:07,930 | 02:47:09,930 | 對 那這個要請主席 |
| 02:47:09,930 | 02:47:11,930 | 做清楚的採試 |
| 02:47:11,930 | 02:47:13,930 | 我想一樣是大家共同的意見 |
| 02:47:17,110 | 02:47:19,110 | 好 民進黨委員都同意嗎 |
| 02:47:22,190 | 02:47:24,190 | 可是委員同意嗎 |
| 02:47:24,690 | 02:47:26,690 | 參議院總委員同意嗎 |
| 02:47:34,460 | 02:47:36,460 | 羅志祥委員同意嗎 |
| 02:47:37,940 | 02:47:39,940 | 好 我們就照 |
| 02:47:40,820 | 02:47:42,820 | 吳釋迦委員建議 |
| 02:47:42,820 | 02:47:44,820 | 分成兩案 有共識的部分一包 |
| 02:47:46,440 | 02:47:48,440 | 保留的部分 另外一包 |
| 02:47:49,170 | 02:47:51,170 | 送院會協商處理 |
| 02:47:51,170 | 02:47:53,170 | 以上宣告由意見 |
| 02:48:20,210 | 02:48:24,210 | 委員廖宇祥等18人擬具學校衛生法第22條23條條文修正 |
| 02:48:25,710 | 02:48:27,710 | 草案 |
| 02:48:28,580 | 02:48:30,580 | 學校 |
| 02:48:31,110 | 02:48:33,110 | 是重複 |
| 02:48:33,150 | 02:48:35,150 | 嗯 |
| 02:48:33,980 | 02:48:35,980 | 學校衛生法 |
| 02:48:37,050 | 02:48:39,050 | 23條條文修正草案 |
| 02:48:39,050 | 02:48:41,050 | 蘇欣全 |
| 02:48:41,050 | 02:48:43,050 | 等學校衛生法23條23條 |
| 02:48:43,050 | 02:48:45,050 | 之3修正草案 |
| 02:48:46,470 | 02:48:48,470 | 外美鄰學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:48:50,450 | 02:48:52,450 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:48:55,810 | 02:48:57,810 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法23條23條之3條文修正 |
| 02:49:00,980 | 02:49:02,980 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:04,520 | 02:49:06,520 | 邱振均學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:08,250 | 02:49:10,250 | 王威等人 |
| 02:49:10,250 | 02:49:12,250 | 學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:12,760 | 02:49:14,760 | 徐欣瑩等18人學校衛生法第16條第23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:19,690 | 02:49:21,690 | 徐小新等學校衛生法23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:21,690 | 02:49:23,690 | 傅坤琪等學校衛生法第23條條文修正 |
| 02:49:26,340 | 02:49:28,340 | 以全部審查完畢 |
| 02:49:28,340 | 02:49:30,340 | 擬據審查報告提醒院會公決 |
| 02:49:30,340 | 02:49:32,340 | 本來需交由黨團協商 |
| 02:49:32,340 | 02:49:34,340 | 院會討論時由羅召集委員庭委補充說明 |
| 02:49:34,340 | 02:49:36,340 | 以上宣告 |
| 02:49:40,380 | 02:49:42,380 | 我們提醒院會弊案 |
| 02:49:43,710 | 02:49:45,710 | 你以全部審查完畢 |
| 02:49:50,780 | 02:49:52,780 | 保留你 |
| 02:49:53,270 | 02:49:55,270 | 弊案 |
| 02:49:54,940 | 02:49:56,940 | 公會院會審查 |
| 02:49:58,350 | 02:50:00,350 | 那我們來分成兩包 |
| 02:50:00,350 | 02:50:02,350 | 以上 |
| 02:50:02,930 | 02:50:04,930 | 那第二個 |
| 02:50:07,770 | 02:50:09,770 | 前項要交協商 |
| 02:50:09,770 | 02:50:11,770 | 後項不用 |
| 02:50:11,300 | 02:50:13,300 | 蔡宜昌等人學校衛生法第7條條文修正草案 |
| 02:50:13,300 | 02:50:15,300 | 徐富奎等學校衛生法第23條條文修正 |
| 02:50:15,300 | 02:50:17,300 | 黃捷等學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:17,300 | 02:50:19,300 | 莊瑞雄學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:19,300 | 02:50:21,300 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:31,460 | 02:50:33,460 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法第7條條文修正 |
| 02:50:32,810 | 02:50:34,810 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法第8條條文修正 |
| 02:50:34,470 | 02:50:36,470 | 洪孟凱學校衛生法 |
| 02:50:35,930 | 02:50:37,930 | 第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:38,940 | 02:50:40,940 | 第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:41,300 | 02:50:43,300 | 炎之等24條 |
| 02:50:44,220 | 02:50:46,220 | 條文修正 |
| 02:50:45,480 | 02:50:47,480 | 徐富奎學校衛生法21條條文修正 |
| 02:50:48,890 | 02:50:50,890 | 羅廷瑋等學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:50,890 | 02:50:52,890 | 林俊憲學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:50:56,070 | 02:50:58,070 | 萬美齡學校衛生法第5條條文修正 |
| 02:50:59,360 | 02:51:01,360 | 洪曉琳學校衛生法第19條條文修正 |
| 02:51:03,420 | 02:51:05,420 | 徐富奎學校衛生法第19條條文修正 |
| 02:51:06,900 | 02:51:08,900 | 林俊憲學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:51:10,900 | 02:51:12,900 | 羅志祥學校衛生法第11條條文修正 |
| 02:51:14,660 | 02:51:16,660 | 羅明哲學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:18,310 | 02:51:20,310 | 羅明哲學校衛生法第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:21,800 | 02:51:25,800 | 林依景學校衛生法第6條第16條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:25,800 | 02:51:27,800 | 張宏祿學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:27,800 | 02:51:29,800 | 柯志恩學校衛生法第16條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:29,800 | 02:51:31,800 | 陳金輝學校衛生法第16條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:31,800 | 02:51:33,800 | 張家俊等學校衛生法第5條第16條第40條條文修正 |
| 02:51:33,800 | 02:51:35,800 | 吳立華學校衛生法第6條第16條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:35,800 | 02:51:37,800 | 林倩琦學校衛生法第6條第8條第10條條文修正 |
| 02:51:37,800 | 02:51:39,800 | 柯志恩學校衛生法第11條第12條條文修正 |
| 02:51:39,800 | 02:51:41,800 | 林倩琦學校衛生法第12條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:41,800 | 02:51:43,800 | 吳立華學校衛生法第6條第16條第17條條文修正 |
| 02:51:43,800 | 02:51:45,800 | 林倩琦學校衛生法第6條第8條第10條條文修正 |
| 02:51:45,800 | 02:51:47,800 | 柯志恩學校衛生法第21條條文修正 |
| 02:51:47,800 | 02:51:49,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:49,800 | 02:51:51,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:51,800 | 02:51:53,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:53,800 | 02:51:55,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:55,800 | 02:51:57,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:57,800 | 02:51:59,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:51:59,800 | 02:52:01,800 | 羅志強學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:52:00,630 | 02:52:02,630 | 葛如君學校衛生法第6條條文修正 |
| 02:52:02,630 | 02:52:04,630 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:52:04,630 | 02:52:06,630 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:52:06,630 | 02:52:08,630 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第16條條文修正 |
| 02:52:08,630 | 02:52:10,630 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第17條條文修正 |
| 02:52:10,630 | 02:52:12,630 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第17條條文修正 |
| 02:52:14,690 | 02:52:16,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第17條條文修正 |
| 02:52:16,690 | 02:52:18,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第18條條文修正 |
| 02:52:18,690 | 02:52:20,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第19條條文修正 |
| 02:52:20,690 | 02:52:22,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:22,690 | 02:52:24,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:24,690 | 02:52:26,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:26,690 | 02:52:28,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:28,690 | 02:52:30,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:30,690 | 02:52:32,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:32,690 | 02:52:34,690 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:27,800 | 02:52:29,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:29,800 | 02:52:31,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:31,800 | 02:52:33,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:33,800 | 02:52:35,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:35,800 | 02:52:37,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:37,800 | 02:52:39,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:39,800 | 02:52:41,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:41,800 | 02:52:43,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:43,800 | 02:52:45,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:45,800 | 02:52:47,800 | 羅廷瑋學校衛生法第20條條文修正 |
| 02:52:45,080 | 02:52:47,080 | 本案已全部審查完畢 |
| 02:52:47,080 | 02:52:49,080 | 並按你具審查報告 |
| 02:52:51,490 | 02:52:53,490 | 提請院會公決 |
| 02:52:53,490 | 02:52:55,490 | 本案不需交由黨團協商 |
| 02:52:55,490 | 02:52:57,490 | 院會討論時由羅召集委員提案說明 |
| 02:52:57,490 | 02:52:59,490 | 以上有意見 |
| 02:53:02,340 | 02:53:04,340 | 好沒有意見 |
| 02:53:03,590 | 02:53:05,590 | 繼續 |
| 02:53:05,190 | 02:53:07,190 | 通過附帶決議五項一併抱院會處理 |
| 02:53:07,190 | 02:53:09,190 | 有一件 |
| 02:53:10,100 | 02:53:12,100 | 好我們繼續 |
| 02:53:12,670 | 02:53:14,670 | 報告委員會今天會議議程結束 |
| 02:53:16,400 | 02:53:18,400 | 我們先散會 |
| 02:53:38,910 | 02:53:42,910 | 好請教育部還有提案委員到前面我們共同拍照 |
| 02:53:42,910 | 02:53:44,910 | 謝謝 |