iVOD / 17659

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IVOD_ID 17659
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17659
日期 2026-08-11
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2026-08-11T08:29:59+08:00
結束時間 2026-08-11T17:44:00+08:00
影片長度 09:14:01
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會(事由:總統咨,為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定,提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員,並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長;王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格,咨請同意案(本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定,有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分,毋庸處理,其餘交全院委員會審查)。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 請秘書長報告出席人數
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 報告全委委員會出席委員55人已足 法定人數
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 現在開會進行報告事項
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 請秘書長宣讀第五會期第一次
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 全委員會一思路
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 宣讀立法案第十一屆第五會期第一次全院委員會
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 一思路 建中 民國115年5月13日14日地點北院異常
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 出席委員林偉 佩祥等57人
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 主席 副院長江啟臣
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 討論事項第一 二案
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 作以下旨決定第五會期第一次全院委員會一思路確定
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 總統之提名陳永興 王榮章等人為監察院第七屆監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 其餘交由全院委員會審查
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 附經第20次會議決定8月11日 13日 18日 20日及24日召開全院委員會
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 並合併為一次會進行審查
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 再進行7位委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 每位委員詢答時間10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 採及問及答方式進行
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 輪到詢問委員如果不在場 示威棄權
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 請被提名人陳永興先生說明時間為10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 主席 各位委員 各位女士 先生
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 今天是立法院依憲法所賦予的同意權
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 本人僅以監察院長被提名人的身份
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 就監察院未來的發展走向
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 向各位委員報告 敬請不吝指教
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 第一 為什麼接受提名
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 畢業後我選擇了精神科
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transcript.whisperx[90].text 過程中也有民代介入觀說
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 但我始終堅持依法研辦
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transcript.whisperx[92].text 這些經歷使我深刻了解
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transcript.whisperx[95].text 推動改革不畏犧牲的堅持的風格
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 成功帶領了南臺灣度過危機
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transcript.whisperx[98].text 守護了民眾健康
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 我在羅東生母醫院院長期間
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transcript.whisperx[100].text 以及之後在
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 都為了照顧偏鄉的老人及長照
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 努力興建了臺灣第一座老人醫療大樓
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transcript.whisperx[104].text 現在我仍然為屏東基督教醫院奔走
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transcript.whisperx[105].text 協助募款重建醫院區
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transcript.whisperx[109].text 監察院應該是一個立場超然的憲政機構
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 更應該成為保障國民權益
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 落實人權照顧的後盾
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 我必身
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transcript.whisperx[115].text 照顧弱勢維護人權
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 追求公義的初衷始終沒有改變
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 所以如果有機會出任監察院長
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 我必全力提升監察院應有的功能
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 第二對監察院廢除的看法和可行性探討
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 自從賴總統公佈了
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 社會上有不少廢除監察院的呼聲
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 甚至有主張應該全數刪除監察院的預算
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 並否決總統所提名的監察委員人選
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transcript.whisperx[126].text 這樣的主張是否合理可行呢
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transcript.whisperx[127].text 現在的中華民國憲法仍為五權憲法架構
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 糾正糾舉彈劾及審計職權
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 監察院內還有國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[131].text 另外陽光法案負責公職人員財產申報
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transcript.whisperx[133].text 如果沒有經過修憲程序就凍結了監察院
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transcript.whisperx[134].text 等同放棄了對公務員貪瀆不法的重要監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[136].text 銜接國際人權體系的機構
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transcript.whisperx[137].text 這樣的結果恐怕不是解決問題的方法
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transcript.whisperx[138].text 終結監察院不是不可行
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 但關鍵在於如何建立全民共識
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transcript.whisperx[141].text 由總統召開國事會議
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 邀集五院代表及朝野政黨代表
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 人權團體及弱勢團體還有憲政學者
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transcript.whisperx[145].text 監察權如何轉移審計權如何歸屬
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 國家人權委員會何去何從
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 陽關法案如何落實
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transcript.whisperx[148].text 這些有了共識以後
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 再送由立法院進入修憲程序
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 需要四分之三立委的同意
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 如果朝野不合作根本不能通過
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 之後還要交付公民投票
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 取得過半數的同意
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 公投案也不可能通過
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 當年為了廢除國民大會
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 推動總統直選
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 凝聚朝野政黨跟民間的力量
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 才能夠一舉完成
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 第三監察院需要改革提升功能
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 我認為更迫切的課題是
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transcript.whisperx[165].text 推動監察院的改革
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 而且不曉得監察院到底在做什麼
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 看了監察院的資料才發現
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 從民國109年到115年
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 六年間監察院接受了
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 成立的彈劾案有227案
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transcript.whisperx[174].text 糾正案520案
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 要求改善案1300案
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 平均每年要受理15000個案子
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 每個監察委員的辦案量超過600案
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 除了辦案他們還要參與彈劾案的聯席審查
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 工作負荷量其實蠻重
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 監察案件網友需要深入調查
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 花費相當長的時間
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 彈劾案能夠成立
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 大多為高階的公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[184].text 甚至不乏檢察官跟法官遭彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[185].text 可見台灣社會對司法不公
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transcript.whisperx[186].text 行政不法確實有相當的民怨
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 監察院既是人民深淵的最後救濟管道
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 保障人權的重要憲政機構
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 如何提升他的辦案的品質跟效率
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 才是監察院改革的重心
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transcript.whisperx[193].text 當我們發現一個醫院服務品質不好的時候
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 我們通常是找更好的醫生
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 提升醫院的設備來改善醫療品質
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 就好像我們覺得台灣治安不好
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 我們應該是要提升警察的素質
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 增加他們的設備
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 而不增加警政署的預算
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 不是將警政署廢掉
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 第四 我對監察院改革的方案
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 我如果能夠獲得立法院同意
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 順利進入監察院
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 我將推動以下重大改革
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 第一 設置發言人
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 定期召開記者會
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 公佈監察院
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 懲辦的案件及結果
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 而且我們也會注意到
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 保障個人隱私跟辦案期間不受干涉
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 第二 我們鼓勵媒體跟公民監督團體
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 定期評鑑監察委員的
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 表現 就像現在立法院有公督們
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 每年評鑑立委的表現
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 第三 監察院內部我們自己
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 訂定
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 同時訂定自律公約
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 第四 積極的爭取預算
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 希望能增加調查官及調查人員的人力及數值
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 第五 我希望在公務人員訓練中心及文官訓練所
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 納入人權公約的課程
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 由人權委員及人權學者
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 提升公務員對人權保障的重視
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 第六 在監察院內我們自己成立修憲小組
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 由憲政學者的背景來就修憲內容
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 提出具體的建議
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 讓監察院在修正過程中
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 結語 行公義好臨民
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 是我被提名為下屆監察委員及院長的自我取許
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 我希望能超越黨派以無私之心
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 將我的餘生投入監察院的改革工作
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 使監察院成為民眾信賴依靠的
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 謝謝主席 謝謝各位議員進行指教
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transcript.whisperx[244].text 好 謝謝陳佩提名人之說明
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transcript.whisperx[247].text 陳詐之委請準備
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transcript.whisperx[248].text 主席好 還有再坐這邊
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transcript.whisperx[252].text 那麼我想上週立法院有舉辦監察院的
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transcript.whisperx[262].text 甚至很難以達到就是憲法上面
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transcript.whisperx[265].text 那外界同樣的也質疑就是說
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transcript.whisperx[267].text 基本上擺明了其實就是犧牲黨
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transcript.whisperx[268].text 因為呢這個不太可能會全數通過
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transcript.whisperx[272].text 因為他重要的目的就是要把在野黨
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 過去
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 在戒嚴沒有解除以前
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 那我們要維護中華民國
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transcript.whisperx[351].text 不被中華人民共和國所併吞
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 維護這個中華民國的主權存在
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 謝謝陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 我想就是說你今天這樣的想法
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 不管這種說法我想不管是獨派或是統派
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 大多數的民眾可能無法接受像您這樣子表裡不一
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 言行不一的人來擔任監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 那您可以今天為了就是這個監察院院長的這樣一個名氣名利
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 拋棄長久的堅持
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 我想對於很多人來講這個不是一種人格分裂
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 可能就是代表一種綠綠心心法
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 我想中華民國的內涵已經改變了
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 以前的中華民國是要包括中國大陸還要反攻大陸
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 現在的國民黨也不講這個東西了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 陳院長陳北廷議員我想就是就這個議題來講
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transcript.whisperx[368].text 我們其實因為從您過去的言行到現在到您今天進入到立法院這個議場
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 之前的所有的談話我們都很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 您甚至當時還批評蔡英文說她把民進黨變成中華民國派
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 把民進黨變成是國民黨化
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 但像這樣子的一個言論基本上在您今天剛跟您對談之前
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 大家覺得說您應該是一個堅定的台獨信仰者
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 怎麼為了今天這個監察院院長的這個職位
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transcript.whisperx[375].text 然後就可以從台獨派華民轉身成為中華民國派
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 我想這個部分的話是大家可能比較沒有辦法可能是無法接受的一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 因為這個真的在我看起來您不是具有多重人格
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 要不然就是說可能為了這些名利
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 你可以就是拋棄你過去長久以來一些
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 我從來不追求個人的名利
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 好那接下來我想請教您就是說因為您被提名為監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[382].text 那麼對於這個到底未來監察院何去何從要不要廢除的這個議題
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transcript.whisperx[383].text 本席基本上看了您的一些說明
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transcript.whisperx[384].text 基本上您是樂觀其成對不對
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transcript.whisperx[385].text 這個廢除監察院
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transcript.whisperx[386].text 基本上是樂觀其成嘛
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 就是平間主張從五權改為三權分立
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[389].text 就是監察權怎麼轉移
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transcript.whisperx[390].text 這個是要有很詳細的配套
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transcript.whisperx[391].text 好的那麼基本上我想六年覺得
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transcript.whisperx[392].text 不是一句話廢就廢
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transcript.whisperx[393].text 好陳秉霖陳醫師是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[394].text 六年前我想陳菊也曾經說過
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 反倒是創下了中華民國有史以來請假最長的監察院院長和政務官員
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transcript.whisperx[402].text 而且站的位置又不做事
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 所以基本上就把監察院當成了養老院
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 您是抱著什麼樣的心態來擔任監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 然後之後可以廢掉這個監察院
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 有了像陳菊這種一年都沒有來上班
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 現在大家都會很擔心說
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 那政務人員未來請假是不是應該要有所期間的限制
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 你會像她一樣請好請滿嗎
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transcript.whisperx[421].text 第一個過去六年因為朝野沒有啟動修憲的程序
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 所以監察院沒有被廢
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 那這個不是監察院的問題
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 因為修憲的
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 請問您是什麼樣的心態
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 我希望我是監察院的改革者
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 至於監察院的終結者應該是全民
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 我如果自己身體不健康
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 我馬上請辭
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transcript.whisperx[432].text 所以您不會像陳菊這樣吧
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transcript.whisperx[433].text 請假請了超過一年
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transcript.whisperx[437].text 我就要改革監察院
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transcript.whisperx[443].text 基本上我是對於您對陳菊的這種做法
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transcript.whisperx[444].text 認為是一個不可取不值得效法的做法
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transcript.whisperx[445].text 本席值得對您的意見
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transcript.whisperx[448].text 但是本席還是希望
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transcript.whisperx[449].text 您假設有一天可以擔任監察院長的話
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transcript.whisperx[451].text 這以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[452].text 好謝謝黃委員
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transcript.whisperx[453].text 現在我們請陳昭之委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[456].text 犯人質疑期間你可以先休息
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transcript.whisperx[458].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[461].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[462].text 好 培庭秘人好
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transcript.whisperx[463].text 以下我稱呼您陳醫師好嗎
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transcript.whisperx[464].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[465].text 陳醫師我們曾經長期站在同一個陣營
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transcript.whisperx[469].text 也都是在那個時期一起建立的
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transcript.whisperx[471].text 我跟我先生還有許多醫藥界的朋友
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transcript.whisperx[472].text 我們搭火車到花蓮去幫您助選掃街
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transcript.whisperx[474].text 今天
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transcript.whisperx[475].text 我自認為我還是站在這個原點
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transcript.whisperx[476].text 最初的原點
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transcript.whisperx[477].text 秉持這個初衷跟這個價值
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transcript.whisperx[478].text 但是我又親眼見證了
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transcript.whisperx[479].text 曾經全力支持著從一盤散沙
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transcript.whisperx[480].text 到全力政黨
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transcript.whisperx[481].text 到政黨的輪替
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transcript.whisperx[482].text 首次政黨輪替
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transcript.whisperx[483].text 到完全執政
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transcript.whisperx[484].text 乃至於到今天的這個三度執政
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transcript.whisperx[485].text 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[486].text 這個我所支持的
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transcript.whisperx[487].text 當時的這樣一個民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[488].text 已經慢慢偏離了原點
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transcript.whisperx[489].text 慢慢越走的越遠
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transcript.whisperx[490].text 陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[491].text 我們上一次的會面
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transcript.whisperx[492].text 應該是2019年6月7號
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transcript.whisperx[493].text 我們同坐在一個記者會上
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transcript.whisperx[494].text 那時我們跟吳理培執政
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transcript.whisperx[495].text 跟那個法醫高大成先生
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transcript.whisperx[496].text 坐在一個記者會上
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transcript.whisperx[497].text 我們共同去支持
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transcript.whisperx[498].text 挑戰當時要競選連任總統的賴清德先生
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transcript.whisperx[499].text 當時我們是選擇一個人煙許少的路
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transcript.whisperx[500].text 因為那時候我們是少數
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transcript.whisperx[501].text 陳醫師我在7月23號
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transcript.whisperx[502].text 看到您來拜會韓院長的照片
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transcript.whisperx[503].text 那您效命運的態度非常的友善
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transcript.whisperx[504].text 那當時我心中有非常大的感觸
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transcript.whisperx[505].text 陳幾何時陳醫師您願意
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transcript.whisperx[506].text 願意跟這個韓院長握手
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transcript.whisperx[507].text 那我想請問陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[508].text 您之前是否認識韓院長
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transcript.whisperx[509].text 有跟他互動過嗎
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transcript.whisperx[510].text 在此之前
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transcript.whisperx[511].text 我當然韓院長是大眾人物
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transcript.whisperx[512].text 我當然知道他
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transcript.whisperx[513].text 但是私下沒有互動過
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transcript.whisperx[514].text 沒有互動啦
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transcript.whisperx[515].text 所以我們對他
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transcript.whisperx[516].text 之前的認知可能都是來自
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transcript.whisperx[517].text 比較統溫層的媒體等等
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transcript.whisperx[518].text 那我們都兩個
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transcript.whisperx[519].text 我們兩個都曾經用力的批評過韓院長
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transcript.whisperx[520].text 是這樣的
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transcript.whisperx[521].text 那您批評的力道也不會比我輕
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transcript.whisperx[522].text 您用字的用字譴辭
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transcript.whisperx[523].text 大概也不會比我客氣
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transcript.whisperx[524].text 事實上我們批評他的主因
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transcript.whisperx[525].text 我相信其中很重要一個原因
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transcript.whisperx[526].text 是因為他是屬於相對親中的
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transcript.whisperx[527].text 國民黨的政治人物
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transcript.whisperx[528].text 那跟我們兩個國家認同是有差別的
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transcript.whisperx[529].text 陳醫師我可不可以知道
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transcript.whisperx[530].text 那天您握韓院長的手的時候
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transcript.whisperx[531].text 您的感覺是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[532].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[533].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[534].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[535].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[536].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[537].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[538].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[539].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[540].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[541].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[542].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[543].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[544].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[545].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[546].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[547].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[548].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[549].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[550].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[551].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[552].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[553].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[554].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[555].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[556].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[557].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[558].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[559].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[560].text 我真的不知道
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transcript.whisperx[561].text 那天我們是客人
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transcript.whisperx[562].text 我們是來拜會立法院
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transcript.whisperx[563].text 那這個韓院長他對每一個來訪的
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transcript.whisperx[564].text 監察委員人選都是親切握手
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transcript.whisperx[566].text 那個潘孟安秘書長請我們握手
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transcript.whisperx[567].text 我也是很自然而已
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transcript.whisperx[568].text 沒有什麼特別的其他意思
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transcript.whisperx[569].text
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transcript.whisperx[570].text 那陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[571].text 您與一群夥伴開辦這個民報
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transcript.whisperx[572].text 那當時我是為台灣發聲嘛
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transcript.whisperx[573].text 當時我是非常的敬佩
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transcript.whisperx[574].text 因為我聽到很多人說
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transcript.whisperx[575].text 如果你要害死一個人
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transcript.whisperx[576].text 就勸他去辦報紙 辦雜誌
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transcript.whisperx[577].text 因為這是注定一個不會賺錢
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transcript.whisperx[578].text 可能是會虧錢的一個行業
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transcript.whisperx[579].text 我也非常的清楚明白
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transcript.whisperx[580].text 剛剛我們稍微提到
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transcript.whisperx[581].text 您不是所謂的華獨
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transcript.whisperx[582].text 而是所謂的台獨
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transcript.whisperx[583].text 因為您反對將台灣的命運
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transcript.whisperx[584].text 交給比較虛幻的中華民國
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transcript.whisperx[585].text 我這個說法
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transcript.whisperx[586].text 因為我對這個說法太熟悉了
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transcript.whisperx[587].text 但是陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[588].text 在民進黨完全
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transcript.whisperx[589].text 民進黨從這個
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transcript.whisperx[590].text 到完全執政
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transcript.whisperx[591].text 那八年到現在
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transcript.whisperx[592].text 那所謂的台派獨派
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transcript.whisperx[593].text 我覺得幾乎都某個程度
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transcript.whisperx[594].text 變癢 變聾 變瞎了
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transcript.whisperx[595].text 為什麼我要這樣說呢
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transcript.whisperx[596].text 因為過去他們承諾我們的
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transcript.whisperx[597].text 每一件事情都沒有做
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transcript.whisperx[598].text 包括制憲 正名 國號 國歌 國旗
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transcript.whisperx[599].text 甚至改用新元紀念
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transcript.whisperx[600].text 大概是陳總統
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transcript.whisperx[601].text 出現過一小段時間
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transcript.whisperx[602].text 一件事都沒有做到
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transcript.whisperx[603].text 連嘗試努力的企圖也看不到
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transcript.whisperx[604].text 然而同時
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transcript.whisperx[605].text 我卻看到
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transcript.whisperx[606].text 一起長大的民進黨的這個
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transcript.whisperx[607].text 同仁們最悄悄的
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transcript.whisperx[608].text 慢慢的質變了
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transcript.whisperx[609].text 開始出現了我們當年
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transcript.whisperx[610].text 一起批評國民黨的
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transcript.whisperx[611].text 作為的那些事項行為都出現了
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transcript.whisperx[612].text 所以我想您才會在2019年
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transcript.whisperx[613].text 拍了一部
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transcript.whisperx[614].text 這部片子給台派的真心話
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transcript.whisperx[615].text 裡面這樣說
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transcript.whisperx[616].text 今天不是說民進黨這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[617].text 我們的事就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[618].text 也不是說做了一選一的台灣人
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transcript.whisperx[619].text 做中華民國的總統
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transcript.whisperx[620].text 我們的事就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[622].text 您並不認為蔡英文總統
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transcript.whisperx[623].text 所講的中華民國台灣
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transcript.whisperx[624].text 就是等於台灣建國已經完成
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transcript.whisperx[625].text 我的理解正確嗎
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transcript.whisperx[626].text 我的理解有正確嗎
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transcript.whisperx[627].text 陳委員
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transcript.whisperx[628].text 我離開民進黨20年以上了
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transcript.whisperx[629].text 所以你的感受
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transcript.whisperx[630].text 我們在談信念
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transcript.whisperx[631].text 你的感受我也是
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transcript.whisperx[632].text 一樣
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transcript.whisperx[635].text 我也認為
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transcript.whisperx[639].text 那個陳醫師就是說
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transcript.whisperx[640].text 現在的賴總統
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transcript.whisperx[642].text 所以摸一下他的屏東
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transcript.whisperx[643].text 他也是把台灣
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transcript.whisperx[644].text 您曾經所避諱的
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transcript.whisperx[645].text 把台灣交給了一半的中華民國
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transcript.whisperx[646].text 賴總統要請我接受的時候
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transcript.whisperx[647].text 他講了一句話
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transcript.whisperx[648].text 他說他希望監察院是
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transcript.whisperx[652].text 那你可能是為這個犧牲
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transcript.whisperx[655].text 我願意
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transcript.whisperx[656].text 陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[657].text 我現在的職務是立委
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transcript.whisperx[658].text 那我負責監督行政機關
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transcript.whisperx[659].text 審查行政機關的這個預算
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transcript.whisperx[661].text 跟我的這個權益
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transcript.whisperx[662].text 跟納稅人的權益把關
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transcript.whisperx[664].text 是有民意基礎的
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transcript.whisperx[666].text 我覺得我自己也有任務
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transcript.whisperx[667].text 也有紀律
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transcript.whisperx[668].text 因為身在這個
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transcript.whisperx[669].text 更因為我身在關鍵的政黨
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transcript.whisperx[671].text 而不是民進黨喔
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transcript.whisperx[673].text 當我走進會場的時候
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transcript.whisperx[674].text 那個時候IPEC的執行長
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transcript.whisperx[675].text 跟這個外交部兴起若狂
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transcript.whisperx[677].text 台灣才能有資格成為
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transcript.whisperx[678].text IPEC的會員國
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transcript.whisperx[679].text 蕭副總統去年也才能夠到比利時
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transcript.whisperx[681].text 他還親自寫信
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transcript.whisperx[682].text 跟我致謝
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transcript.whisperx[683].text 而您喔
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transcript.whisperx[684].text 此刻是被提名為
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transcript.whisperx[686].text 我相信您心中
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transcript.whisperx[687].text 也是有抱負有理想的
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transcript.whisperx[689].text 我必須要確定
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transcript.whisperx[690].text 您將會是過去
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transcript.whisperx[691].text 大家認為是屬於外來政權的
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transcript.whisperx[693].text 還是民進黨的監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[695].text 因為我們兩個對這兩個區別
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transcript.whisperx[696].text 是非常的清楚的
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transcript.whisperx[697].text 那請告訴我您的答案
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transcript.whisperx[698].text 也告訴我
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transcript.whisperx[699].text 如果你能夠證明它
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transcript.whisperx[700].text 我想我剛剛已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[701].text 現在的監察院應該是
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transcript.whisperx[707].text 監察院本來就應該超越黨派的思維
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transcript.whisperx[710].text 就是台灣社會需要一個監督
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transcript.whisperx[712].text 需要一個保障人權的機構
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transcript.whisperx[713].text 所以我才覺得監察院
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transcript.whisperx[714].text 是應該要提升它的功能
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transcript.whisperx[715].text 好好的做事情
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transcript.whisperx[716].text 好陳醫師
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transcript.whisperx[717].text
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transcript.whisperx[719].text 意思說你要很公正
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transcript.whisperx[720].text 做兩千三百
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transcript.whisperx[721].text 現在只剩下三十萬人的
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transcript.whisperx[722].text 這個監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[723].text 您就是您的信念
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transcript.whisperx[724].text 就是說公義
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transcript.whisperx[725].text 行公義
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transcript.whisperx[729].text 事實上我們某個程度
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transcript.whisperx[730].text 我們相當的真據是
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transcript.whisperx[732].text 所以我特別就是這樣子來請教你
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transcript.whisperx[733].text 另外很重要我想以過來人身份
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transcript.whisperx[734].text 過來人身份提醒您
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transcript.whisperx[735].text 如果您選擇做
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transcript.whisperx[736].text 當然您剛剛說不是了
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transcript.whisperx[737].text 因為如果你選擇做民進黨的監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[738].text 那你因為他現在不過半
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transcript.whisperx[739].text 所以您不會通過任命案
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transcript.whisperx[742].text 作為中立客觀的監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[743].text 不分顏色
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transcript.whisperx[746].text 那你會被綠反青鳥攻擊
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transcript.whisperx[747].text 童文臣攻擊說你是背叛
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transcript.whisperx[748].text 你是不顧著 挽決不保
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transcript.whisperx[749].text 那請問你再這樣子通過任命案
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transcript.whisperx[750].text 跟被罵背叛跟挽決不保
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transcript.whisperx[751].text 你選擇什麼
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transcript.whisperx[752].text 這是我的經歷
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transcript.whisperx[753].text 我的個性就是論事 不分顏色
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transcript.whisperx[754].text 我做一個醫生 我看病人不會問說
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transcript.whisperx[755].text 你是哪一個黨
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transcript.whisperx[757].text 一樣 我到監察院也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[758].text 要辦案 不分顏色
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transcript.whisperx[760].text 好 那陳醫師我請教你
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transcript.whisperx[871].text 確實存有相當的名怨
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transcript.whisperx[887].text 這讓等候公道的百姓
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transcript.whisperx[900].text 所以監察院我再講一次
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transcript.whisperx[901].text 監察院有國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[902].text 但行政院也有人權處
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transcript.whisperx[904].text 人權會做的是倡議
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transcript.whisperx[905].text 執行權跟預算權卻在行政院
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transcript.whisperx[906].text 就會被質疑了
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transcript.whisperx[907].text 這樣的疊船駕屋
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transcript.whisperx[908].text 我們國家人權委員會還有存在的必要嗎
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transcript.whisperx[909].text 你做倡議而已
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transcript.whisperx[910].text 這就是人權的漢格之一
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transcript.whisperx[911].text 第二個是調查漢格
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transcript.whisperx[912].text 我們監察院以廉政署
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transcript.whisperx[913].text 其實對現在的公務人員其實也很辛苦
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transcript.whisperx[915].text 怎麼樣被監督呢
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transcript.whisperx[917].text 這個是對同一個案子
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transcript.whisperx[918].text 會重複發動調查
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transcript.whisperx[919].text 造成公務體系的雙重受查
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transcript.whisperx[920].text 防衛性的行政
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transcript.whisperx[921].text 所以我們現在基層的公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[922].text 面臨高度分散的監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[923].text 怎麼樣的高度分散呢
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transcript.whisperx[924].text 內部有陣風
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transcript.whisperx[925].text 法務部的廉政署是行政訴單
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transcript.whisperx[926].text 法務部下的檢調是刑事責任
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transcript.whisperx[927].text 我們司法院有淺懲戒法院
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transcript.whisperx[928].text 我們監察院對公務人員是憲政的糾正跟彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[929].text 所以說你對於我們要監督公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[930].text 來自這麼多元分散的監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[931].text 反而是讓我們的公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[932].text 在面對民意的體查跟解決的時候
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transcript.whisperx[933].text 他舉足不前了
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transcript.whisperx[934].text 動不動我這是不是有圖利、知險
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transcript.whisperx[935].text 動不動這個是不是有這個
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transcript.whisperx[936].text 他擴大了解釋這個法規
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transcript.whisperx[937].text 所以是不是真的能夠解決民怨
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transcript.whisperx[938].text 其實也在於這麼多的行政的相關調查
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transcript.whisperx[939].text 針對我們公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[940].text 是這麼高度的監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[941].text 所以你認為你如何釐清跟化解
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transcript.whisperx[942].text 這樣人權的漢革跟調查的漢革呢
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transcript.whisperx[943].text 國家人權委員會成立是因應國際人權公約
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transcript.whisperx[945].text 經常要求因為我們也去簽署了這個人權公約
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transcript.whisperx[946].text 所以他就要求台灣應該也要有國際人權委員會國家的
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transcript.whisperx[949].text 不是只有政策或者是說宣導
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transcript.whisperx[950].text 那放在監察院其實我覺得不必要
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transcript.whisperx[951].text 他需要是一個獨立機構
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transcript.whisperx[952].text 至於監察權跟這些聯政署或者政風單位
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transcript.whisperx[953].text 確實有重複的地方
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transcript.whisperx[954].text 我覺得如果真的要加強對公務員的監督
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transcript.whisperx[955].text 其實不妨考慮可不可以把這些單位合起來
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transcript.whisperx[956].text 那如果說將來立法院修法
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transcript.whisperx[957].text 可以把這個監察院的職權更集中
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transcript.whisperx[958].text 讓這個聯政署或者是政風單位
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transcript.whisperx[959].text 也可以到監察院裡頭來
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transcript.whisperx[960].text 那對公務員的監督就是
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transcript.whisperx[961].text 由監察院充分的去行使
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transcript.whisperx[962].text 因為我事實上也覺得監察院現在的這個辦案量
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transcript.whisperx[963].text 要要求他們
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transcript.whisperx[964].text 其實有點困難
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transcript.whisperx[965].text 因為
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transcript.whisperx[966].text 一個監察委員那麼多案子
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transcript.whisperx[967].text 他能分配到的監察官只有兩個三個
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transcript.whisperx[968].text 比一個立法委員的助理還要少
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transcript.whisperx[969].text 他們要辦案子都是
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transcript.whisperx[970].text 而且他不像檢察官
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transcript.whisperx[971].text 檢察官可以搜索
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transcript.whisperx[972].text 可以監聽
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transcript.whisperx[973].text 可以就是很強行的介入
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transcript.whisperx[974].text 監察院是事後才開始展開調查
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transcript.whisperx[975].text 那用約詢
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transcript.whisperx[976].text 那有的政府官員就不一定理會你
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transcript.whisperx[977].text 所以我覺得監察院的功能要加強
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transcript.whisperx[978].text 還有很多可以努力的地方
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transcript.whisperx[979].text 我覺得非常棒
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transcript.whisperx[980].text 這個我非常肯定您剛才有這樣的一個大方向的一個主張
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transcript.whisperx[981].text 那其實總統提名
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transcript.whisperx[982].text 您也是在推崇美麗島世代對台灣民主的貢獻
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transcript.whisperx[983].text 那包括我個人
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transcript.whisperx[984].text 作為一個您的晚輩
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transcript.whisperx[985].text 那我能夠在這個議事堂上當中
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transcript.whisperx[986].text 能夠為人民發聲
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transcript.whisperx[987].text 其實也都是在您的這樣
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transcript.whisperx[988].text 美麗島世代的這樣的一個前輩之下的倡議
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transcript.whisperx[989].text 你們走上街頭
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transcript.whisperx[990].text 甚至在追溯黨外的時候
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transcript.whisperx[991].text 對於那種真的是威權之下
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transcript.whisperx[992].text 威權之下的那種的風聲鶴唳
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transcript.whisperx[993].text 那所帶來的家破人亡
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transcript.whisperx[994].text 所以我個人是非常肯定的
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transcript.whisperx[995].text 那當然對於講到現在
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transcript.whisperx[996].text 您身為這樣的被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[997].text 這個玉石大夫是風聞驟事
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transcript.whisperx[998].text 他可以不需要任何的證據
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transcript.whisperx[999].text 就當時古代的封建時代就給了他這個權力
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transcript.whisperx[1000].text 那在民主時代當然是講求證據的科學辦案
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transcript.whisperx[1001].text 那監察院除了接受陳情之外
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transcript.whisperx[1002].text 更應該發揮主動調查
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transcript.whisperx[1003].text 所以像其實先前我們行政院經貿談判辦公室
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transcript.whisperx[1004].text 副總代表嚴慧心的職場霸凌案
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transcript.whisperx[1005].text 就是監察院你們主動調查的
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transcript.whisperx[1006].text 所以才讓這個真相大白還給當事人公道
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transcript.whisperx[1007].text 所以今天本席要講的
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transcript.whisperx[1008].text 其實在面對這麼大的一個陳情案
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transcript.whisperx[1009].text 每年一點萬件的這樣的一個陳情案
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transcript.whisperx[1010].text 國人對監察制度是認同跟期待的
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transcript.whisperx[1011].text 沒有人渴望有堅守公義的當代包青天
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transcript.whisperx[1012].text 所以本席認為制度本身沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[1013].text 重點在於人有沒有風骨
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transcript.whisperx[1014].text 有沒有苦民所苦的心
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transcript.whisperx[1015].text 這也就是本席認為社會執意的焦點
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transcript.whisperx[1016].text 也就是從來不是監察制度
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transcript.whisperx[1017].text 而是監察委員是否具備足夠的獨立性
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transcript.whisperx[1018].text 適任性能夠真正做到打老虎
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transcript.whisperx[1019].text 而不是只有打蒼蠅而已
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transcript.whisperx[1020].text 所以本席對於您所提出的六項的改革方案
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transcript.whisperx[1021].text 其中我都非常肯定
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transcript.whisperx[1022].text 只有第二項我非常的保留
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transcript.whisperx[1023].text 你說我們要有鼓勵媒體跟公民監督團體
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transcript.whisperx[1024].text 定期評鑑監察委員的表現
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transcript.whisperx[1025].text 到這邊我認同
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transcript.whisperx[1026].text 到後面我保留
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transcript.whisperx[1027].text 就是立法院已有公督盟的公民制制度
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transcript.whisperx[1028].text 你認為可以導入
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transcript.whisperx[1029].text 我們現在的公督盟已經流於形式化了
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transcript.whisperx[1030].text 好 謝謝林委員
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transcript.whisperx[1031].end 4524.25
transcript.whisperx[1031].text 下一位我們請林佩祥委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1032].text 好 主席 各位同仁
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transcript.whisperx[1033].text 有請陳永新備題名人
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transcript.whisperx[1034].text 陳教授好
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transcript.whisperx[1035].text 今天是監察院人士同意權的審查
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transcript.whisperx[1036].text 本席在這邊先要講這不是顏色的審查
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transcript.whisperx[1037].text 也不是要考驗您的政治忠誠度
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transcript.whisperx[1038].text 今天國會真正要審查這三件事
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transcript.whisperx[1039].text 第一件 你有沒有資格 有沒有能力
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transcript.whisperx[1040].text 更重要的 有沒有勇氣擔任中華民國的監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[1041].text 因為人民花錢養監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1042].text 不是請大家進去喝茶 看報 寫報告
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transcript.whisperx[1043].text 監察院不是監主茶葉院
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transcript.whisperx[1044].text 院長更不能只是泡茶院長
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transcript.whisperx[1045].text 人民要的是一個敢監督政府 敢追究責任
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transcript.whisperx[1046].text 敢得罪權力的監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1047].text 請問陳題名人 您在書面答覆裡面有說
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transcript.whisperx[1048].text 外界認為監察院沒有功能
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transcript.whisperx[1049].text 有一部分可能是資訊落差
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transcript.whisperx[1050].text 您還列出數字
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transcript.whisperx[1051].text 從109年8月到115年5月
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transcript.whisperx[1052].text 監察院受理人民懲刑近10萬件
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transcript.whisperx[1053].text 彈劾227人 糾正520件 罕請1300件
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transcript.whisperx[1054].text 換句話說 您的意思是
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transcript.whisperx[1055].text 監察院不是沒有做事 是做了很多
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transcript.whisperx[1056].text 只是人民不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1057].text 但是我就想請問
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transcript.whisperx[1058].text 如果有一家公司每天跟股東說
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transcript.whisperx[1059].text 我們績效真的很好 只是你們都感覺不到
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transcript.whisperx[1060].text 那到底問題是出在股東還是公司
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transcript.whisperx[1061].text 另外一個很值得思考的就是
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transcript.whisperx[1062].text 前院長陳菊長時間請假超過一年
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transcript.whisperx[1063].text 我們在這邊不是評論她
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transcript.whisperx[1064].text 因為健康因素請假的對錯
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transcript.whisperx[1065].text 我要問的是一個憲政機關首長
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transcript.whisperx[1066].text 長期無法主持任務
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transcript.whisperx[1067].text 社會卻沒有感受到國家的監督機制
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transcript.whisperx[1068].text 受到重大影響
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transcript.whisperx[1069].text 難道這不是一個警訊嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1070].text 如果今天行政院長一年沒上班
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transcript.whisperx[1071].text 大家一定會知道
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transcript.whisperx[1072].text 如果今天立法院長一年
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transcript.whisperx[1073].text 不主持院會 大家也一定知道
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transcript.whisperx[1074].text 但是監察院院長長期請假
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transcript.whisperx[1075].text 很多人民甚至沒有感覺
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transcript.whisperx[1076].text 所以我想就教您
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transcript.whisperx[1077].text 到底是人民不了解監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1078].text 還是監察院已經離人民太遠
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transcript.whisperx[1079].text 我不是說監察院已經做得很好
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transcript.whisperx[1080].text 我是說監察院確實也辦了一些
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transcript.whisperx[1081].text 很值得我們肯定的案子
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transcript.whisperx[1082].text 比如我有看到
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transcript.whisperx[1083].text 南投有一個國中的校長
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transcript.whisperx[1084].text 他性侵了四十幾個學童
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transcript.whisperx[1085].text 監察院不但彈劾糾舉他
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transcript.whisperx[1086].text 還把包庇他的教育局
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transcript.whisperx[1087].text 甚至縣政府的官員
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transcript.whisperx[1088].text 也都同時給予懲戒
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transcript.whisperx[1089].text 所以我覺得他們有在做事情
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transcript.whisperx[1090].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[1091].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[1092].text 我覺得他們有時候做事情
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transcript.whisperx[1093].text 民眾不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1095].text 今天的監察院有什麼不可取代的價值
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transcript.whisperx[1096].text 為什麼值得繼續存在呢
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transcript.whisperx[1098].text 對於行政官員的糾舉彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[1099].text 這是只有監察院能做的事
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transcript.whisperx[1100].text 當然如果犯罪事實明顯
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transcript.whisperx[1101].text 我想司法機構也是可以去追究責任
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transcript.whisperx[1102].text 但是這是從行政方面
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transcript.whisperx[1103].text 去懲戒公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[1104].text 然後給予警惕
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transcript.whisperx[1105].text 另外因為國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1106].text 是一個新的機構
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transcript.whisperx[1107].text 沒有這個國家人權委員會的話
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transcript.whisperx[1108].text 事實上我們跟不上國際的人權的潮流
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transcript.whisperx[1109].text 所以就是因為國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[1110].text 跟憲法的規定
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transcript.whisperx[1111].text 再接下來不好意思
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transcript.whisperx[1112].text 我們時間有限
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transcript.whisperx[1113].text 我想繼續請問下去
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transcript.whisperx[1114].text 你剛剛提到說
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transcript.whisperx[1115].text 如果院長真的生病請假
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transcript.whisperx[1116].text 我也不會做這種事情
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transcript.whisperx[1117].text 我希望不要發生這種事情
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transcript.whisperx[1118].text 如果我的身體不好
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transcript.whisperx[1119].text 我就會自動辭職的
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transcript.whisperx[1120].text 監察院院長不是一般的行政職務
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transcript.whisperx[1121].text 您要領導的是依據中華民國憲法設置的最高監察機關
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transcript.whisperx[1122].text 但是您過去曾經在2017年將近10年前
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transcript.whisperx[1123].text 9月23號在前民主運動人士
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transcript.whisperx[1124].text 魏廷潮的回憶錄
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transcript.whisperx[1125].text 毒鬼的後代的新書發表會裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1126].text 公然致詞表示
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transcript.whisperx[1127].text 如果民進黨不敢顛覆中華民國
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transcript.whisperx[1130].text 陳永新先生
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transcript.whisperx[1131].text 您現在認不認同中華民國現行的憲政體系
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transcript.whisperx[1132].text 我想當時這是一個
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transcript.whisperx[1133].text 魏廷潮先生講了一個笑話
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transcript.whisperx[1134].text 他說他爸爸把他取名魏廷潮
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transcript.whisperx[1135].text 就是要顛覆朝廷
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transcript.whisperx[1136].text 就是他這個名字廷潮是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1137].text 因為他講了這個笑話
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transcript.whisperx[1138].text 所以我才有下面那一段
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transcript.whisperx[1139].text 所以您的答案是認同囉
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transcript.whisperx[1140].text 不認同現行的中華民國憲政體系嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1141].text 目前的憲政體系
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transcript.whisperx[1142].text 我剛剛已經說明了
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transcript.whisperx[1143].text 就是中華民國經過幾十年來的蛻變
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transcript.whisperx[1144].text 現在已經是一個民主自由的國家
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transcript.whisperx[1145].text 而且他跟台灣已經緊密的結合了
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transcript.whisperx[1146].text 所以我如果當監察院長
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transcript.whisperx[1147].text 我當然是依中華民國憲法的憲事主權
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transcript.whisperx[1148].text 您是否願意在國會殿堂正式明確承諾
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transcript.whisperx[1149].text 過去的政治主張歸政治主張
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transcript.whisperx[1150].text 但是只要擔任監察院院長一天
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transcript.whisperx[1151].text 就會以維護現行中華民國憲政秩序
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transcript.whisperx[1152].text 遵守中華民國憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1153].text 依法獨立行使監察權
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transcript.whisperx[1154].text 作為最高原則呢
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transcript.whisperx[1155].text 做監察院長當然是依法行使職權
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transcript.whisperx[1156].text 依中華民國憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1157].text 這不是問題
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transcript.whisperx[1160].text 因為政治理念可以有藍有綠有白
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transcript.whisperx[1161].text 但是監察院長依法辦案
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transcript.whisperx[1162].text 這不能有顏色的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1163].text 沒有顏色當然
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transcript.whisperx[1164].text 監察院最核心的功能就是監督政府
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transcript.whisperx[1165].text 那卓榮泰院長
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transcript.whisperx[1166].text 對於立法院三讀通過的法律採取不附屬
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transcript.whisperx[1167].text 引發重大的憲政爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1168].text 過去也有人向監察院陳情
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transcript.whisperx[1169].text 要求調查相關責任
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transcript.whisperx[1170].text 最後面立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1171].text 最後面監察院不予以立案
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transcript.whisperx[1172].text 而您在書面答覆裡面認為說
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transcript.whisperx[1173].text 不附屬到底是行政院長的權利還是義務
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transcript.whisperx[1174].text 法界存在的爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1175].text 應該由憲法法庭做出權威的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[1177].text 我尊重您的法律意見
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transcript.whisperx[1178].text 但是我也要問您一句
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transcript.whisperx[1179].text 監察院不能判斷違憲
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transcript.whisperx[1180].text 是不是就等於監察院不能調查違法失職
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transcript.whisperx[1181].text 這是兩件不同的事情吧
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transcript.whisperx[1182].text 不然以後如果遇到重大的案件
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transcript.whisperx[1183].text 監察院就說這個有憲政建議
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transcript.whisperx[1184].text 那這個有憲政爭議的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1185].text 就請憲法法庭來去處理
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transcript.whisperx[1186].text 那麼監察院不就變成憲法法庭的轉接台
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transcript.whisperx[1187].text 更重要的是
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transcript.whisperx[1188].text 人民不滿的不只是不立案
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transcript.whisperx[1189].text 人民要問的是為什麼不立案
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transcript.whisperx[1190].text 您自己也在書面答覆中承諾
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transcript.whisperx[1191].text 未來監察院應該每兩個月都召開記者會
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transcript.whisperx[1192].text 重大案件有具體的進展
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transcript.whisperx[1193].text 那也應該要跟社會來去公佈
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transcript.whisperx[1194].text 那我今天就能夠再要求您再進一步
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transcript.whisperx[1195].text 您願不願意在國會殿堂
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transcript.whisperx[1196].text 來去承諾說建立所謂重大案件
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transcript.whisperx[1197].text 立案
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transcript.whisperx[1198].text 不立案不立案
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transcript.whisperx[1199].text 有理由透明化的制度
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transcript.whisperx[1200].text 讓人民知道為什麼不查
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transcript.whisperx[1203].text 立法院跟行政院之間
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transcript.whisperx[1204].text 如果有看法不同的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1205].text 憲政的爭議本來就是由
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transcript.whisperx[1206].text 司法院大法官的會議
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transcript.whisperx[1207].text 或者憲法法庭來做裁決
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transcript.whisperx[1208].text 所以監察院依照憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1209].text 沒有這樣的解釋的權利
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transcript.whisperx[1210].text 但是你說如果是一個行政院長
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transcript.whisperx[1211].text 他真的有違法失職
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transcript.whisperx[1212].text 那我們當然要立案調查
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transcript.whisperx[1213].text 甚至也可以給予彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[1214].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1216].text 但是如果是
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transcript.whisperx[1217].text 政府官員真的有貪瀆
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transcript.whisperx[1219].text 那我們當然是要調查
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transcript.whisperx[1220].text 那我贊同
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transcript.whisperx[1221].text 如果重大的案子
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transcript.whisperx[1222].text 我們即使不成案
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transcript.whisperx[1223].text 也要說明我們的理由
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transcript.whisperx[1224].text 因為我們希望是
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transcript.whisperx[1225].text 監察院將來是透明化的一個機構
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transcript.whisperx[1227].text 那未來如果被檢舉是
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transcript.whisperx[1228].text 行政院長 部長
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transcript.whisperx[1229].text 甚至總統府高層
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transcript.whisperx[1230].text 只要有具體的違法失職施政
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transcript.whisperx[1231].text 陳永興院長提名人
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transcript.whisperx[1232].text 你敢不敢查
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transcript.whisperx[1233].text 即使總統有了具體的違法失職也照調查
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transcript.whisperx[1234].text 照脫核啊
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transcript.whisperx[1235].text 就是要有具體施政
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transcript.whisperx[1236].text 因為人民最怕的不是說監察院沒有牙齒
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transcript.whisperx[1237].text 而是說看到有些人牙齒就變得特別硬
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transcript.whisperx[1238].text 看到有些人就忽然變成改代駕牙
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transcript.whisperx[1239].text 這是目前許多民眾心中
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transcript.whisperx[1240].text 看到監察院目前作為他們的第一時間的感受
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transcript.whisperx[1241].text 我剛剛報告的時候提到
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transcript.whisperx[1242].text 我在衛生局長任內被黑道圍殺
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transcript.whisperx[1243].text 不罰廠商 甚至明代官說我都不懼怕
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transcript.whisperx[1244].text 所以我的性格就是好打不平
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transcript.whisperx[1245].text 好 極右如仇
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transcript.whisperx[1246].text 那如果今天陳教授您被提名
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transcript.whisperx[1247].text 立法院也同意您擔任監察院院長
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transcript.whisperx[1248].text 請你告訴我們
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transcript.whisperx[1249].text 你上任第一件事要改革的是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1250].text 請不要回答說什麼提升效率強化監督
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transcript.whisperx[1251].text 保障人權依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[1252].text 這些每一個提名人都曾經講過
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transcript.whisperx[1253].text 也每一個未來提名人都會講
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transcript.whisperx[1254].text 我要的是具體承諾
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transcript.whisperx[1255].text 第一 重大案件立案
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transcript.whisperx[1256].text 不立案理由要不要透明
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transcript.whisperx[1257].text 第二 重大公共利益案件
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transcript.whisperx[1258].text 要不要優先調查現期處理
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transcript.whisperx[1259].text 第三 糾正彈劾之後
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transcript.whisperx[1260].text 要不要持續公開追蹤
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transcript.whisperx[1261].text 第四 您剛剛自己承諾
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transcript.whisperx[1262].text 希望說未來每兩個月
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transcript.whisperx[1263].text 向人民公開說明重大案件進度
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transcript.whisperx[1264].text 會不會算數
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transcript.whisperx[1265].text 我剛剛六大改革我都會做
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transcript.whisperx[1266].text 好 其實
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transcript.whisperx[1267].text 時間到了 真可惜
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transcript.whisperx[1268].text 好 謝謝林委員
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transcript.whisperx[1269].text 下一位我們請林靜憲委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1270].text 好 感謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1271].text 本席邀請被提名人陳永新醫師
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transcript.whisperx[1272].text 陳被提名人被選
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transcript.whisperx[1273].text 好 答應書你很好
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transcript.whisperx[1274].text 辛苦
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transcript.whisperx[1275].text 也配合你的勇氣
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transcript.whisperx[1276].text 你來接受被被提名做
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transcript.whisperx[1277].text 感謝他們的議長
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transcript.whisperx[1278].text 不過我幾個問題也是要來跟你請教
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transcript.whisperx[1279].text 有什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1280].text 在財亞黨 國民黨 民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[1281].text 都在說費毒 敢參與
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transcript.whisperx[1282].text 好 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[1283].text 費毒敢參與
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transcript.whisperx[1284].text 只要大家有勇氣我們就要來受
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transcript.whisperx[1285].text 天天在財亞黨
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transcript.whisperx[1286].text 其實民進黨最早拿出來的
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transcript.whisperx[1287].text 費毒敢參與
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transcript.whisperx[1288].text 就是我們民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[1289].text 但只有民進黨有實際的作為
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transcript.whisperx[1290].text 民進黨要拿出來正式的修正案
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transcript.whisperx[1291].text 來費毒敢參與
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transcript.whisperx[1292].text 還有民進黨嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1293].text 我看很久了 共產黨主席
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transcript.whisperx[1294].text 你剛剛會被嚇到嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1295].text 不是他的優先課題
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transcript.whisperx[1296].text 因為連講完就要費感參與
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transcript.whisperx[1297].text 結果國民黨的黨主席
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transcript.whisperx[1298].text 他說會監察院修憲門檻太高
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transcript.whisperx[1299].text 不是國民黨優先議題
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transcript.whisperx[1300].text 這共產黨主席說的
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transcript.whisperx[1301].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1302].text 費毒敢參與
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transcript.whisperx[1303].text 我認為這是一個假議題
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transcript.whisperx[1304].text 對財亞黨來說
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transcript.whisperx[1305].text 說不定會做
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transcript.whisperx[1306].text 這五權憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1307].text 是國民黨的新主牌
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transcript.whisperx[1308].text 這順門下的五權憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1309].text 現在給他費毒
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transcript.whisperx[1310].text 他就不是五權憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1311].text 你如果要費感參與
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transcript.whisperx[1312].text 他也要費掉
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transcript.whisperx[1313].text 才能回歸到三權分立
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transcript.whisperx[1314].text 共產黨就不可能做這件事
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transcript.whisperx[1315].text 但是今天拿出費感參與
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transcript.whisperx[1316].text 一隻一豬咬的被歡對
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transcript.whisperx[1317].text 這麼敢問他的連算
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transcript.whisperx[1318].text 後面費監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1319].text 所以我認為這次的提名
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transcript.whisperx[1320].text 我比較悲觀
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transcript.whisperx[1321].text 我不知道你屬性
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transcript.whisperx[1322].text 了解林馬隊
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transcript.whisperx[1323].text 要過的機會喔
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transcript.whisperx[1324].text 哈哈
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transcript.whisperx[1325].text 其實這二十幾個幹部
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transcript.whisperx[1326].text 沒一個好的
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transcript.whisperx[1327].text 我看這二十幾位被提名的
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transcript.whisperx[1328].text 很多人的學經歷
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transcript.whisperx[1329].text 老鼠咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪
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transcript.whisperx[1330].text 扁多里圓啊
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transcript.whisperx[1331].text 但要通過的機會啊
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transcript.whisperx[1332].text 我是比較悲觀
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transcript.whisperx[1333].text 因為在這兒
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transcript.whisperx[1334].text 也會黨進黨出啦
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transcript.whisperx[1335].text 一致性投票
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transcript.whisperx[1336].text 所以要給你們費毒
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transcript.whisperx[1337].text 啊 找不到理由啊
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transcript.whisperx[1338].text 所以政府會監察院是要反對
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transcript.whisperx[1339].text 監委被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[1340].text 要全部封殺的一個理由
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transcript.whisperx[1341].text 這是我個人比較擔心啊
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transcript.whisperx[1342].text 我跟民間的看法
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transcript.whisperx[1343].text 這就是政敵投票
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transcript.whisperx[1344].text 他都讓他輸你那個看法是怎樣
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transcript.whisperx[1345].text 我們以前就一直主張制憲
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transcript.whisperx[1346].text 希望台灣是三權分立
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transcript.whisperx[1347].text 對一個進步的民主國家
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transcript.whisperx[1348].text 所以費足監察院我並不反對
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transcript.whisperx[1349].text 但是就像林委員剛剛講的
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transcript.whisperx[1350].text 如果沒有具體的修憲方案的內容
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transcript.whisperx[1351].text 只是一句話
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transcript.whisperx[1352].text 說費監察院這是不負責任的做法
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transcript.whisperx[1353].text 但是你講的重點
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transcript.whisperx[1354].text 他現在還沒收現以前
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transcript.whisperx[1355].text 他還要再是一個憲政機關
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transcript.whisperx[1356].text 那不對了
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transcript.whisperx[1357].text 如果說他把它凍結了
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transcript.whisperx[1358].text 甚至讓他癱瘓
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transcript.whisperx[1359].text 把他癱瘓了
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transcript.whisperx[1360].text 這個不對
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transcript.whisperx[1361].text 因為我剛剛也舉例了
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transcript.whisperx[1362].text 我說你說台灣治安不好
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transcript.whisperx[1363].text 難道要廢警政署嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1364].text 我們用部立醫院這個服務不好
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transcript.whisperx[1365].text 那把醫院關掉
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transcript.whisperx[1366].text 不是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[1367].text 如果這樣子台灣民眾覺得立法院表現不好
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transcript.whisperx[1368].text 難道要廢立法院嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1369].text 所以不是這樣子做
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transcript.whisperx[1370].text 第一個要把它好好做
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transcript.whisperx[1371].text 改革他嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1372].text 對啦
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transcript.whisperx[1373].text 我同意你的講法
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transcript.whisperx[1374].text 但是我實在來說
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transcript.whisperx[1375].text 你把鑑贊於貪犯動這個政敵道歉
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transcript.whisperx[1376].text 誰受傷最重
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transcript.whisperx[1377].text 我們的民眾
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transcript.whisperx[1378].text 我鑑贊於監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1379].text 大概一年
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transcript.whisperx[1380].text 辦理人民懲情案
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transcript.whisperx[1381].text 我看最近這五年
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transcript.whisperx[1382].text 總共有七萬五千幾件
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transcript.whisperx[1383].text 每年都一萬五千件
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transcript.whisperx[1384].text 每一年都一萬五千幾
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transcript.whisperx[1385].text 我寫在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[1386].text 一年比較多
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transcript.whisperx[1387].text 2024年有一萬六千幾件
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transcript.whisperx[1388].text 都是人民懲情案
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transcript.whisperx[1389].text 政府機關主動醫生
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transcript.whisperx[1390].text 現在還減四趴
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transcript.whisperx[1391].text 所以你把它廢除
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transcript.whisperx[1392].text 那等於人民最後
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transcript.whisperx[1393].text 在司法管道以外
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transcript.whisperx[1394].text 他最後可以受到鑑贊於這邊
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transcript.whisperx[1395].text 對一些機關人民如果認為
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transcript.whisperx[1396].text 以違法行政
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transcript.whisperx[1397].text 你看受害最大的
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transcript.whisperx[1398].text 其實是民眾
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transcript.whisperx[1399].text 沒有錯
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transcript.whisperx[1400].text 我就說他
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transcript.whisperx[1401].text 就失去了深淵的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1402].text 也很好笑
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transcript.whisperx[1403].text 在宅男棟要鑑贊於沒有作為
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transcript.whisperx[1404].text 說鑑贊於不好
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transcript.whisperx[1405].text 說鑑贊於沒公平
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transcript.whisperx[1406].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[1407].text 這兩百兩黨
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transcript.whisperx[1408].text 時不時不惜地拿鑑贊的撥卡拿出來說
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transcript.whisperx[1409].text 我拿給你看
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transcript.whisperx[1410].text 他們也會心疼似的
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transcript.whisperx[1411].text 辦公廳不好
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transcript.whisperx[1412].text 他說有五大缺失
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transcript.whisperx[1413].text 國民黨引用
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transcript.whisperx[1414].text 民眾黨的引用就是
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transcript.whisperx[1415].text 監察院的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[1416].text 你說外交部有洩密案
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transcript.whisperx[1417].text 在野黨引用的
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transcript.whisperx[1418].text 也是我們監察院的報告
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transcript.whisperx[1419].text 表示
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transcript.whisperx[1420].text 鑑贊於你的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[1421].text 其實有很多
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transcript.whisperx[1422].text 連宅男棟也在用
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transcript.whisperx[1423].text 要整個把它探望掉
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transcript.whisperx[1424].text 我覺得這是
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transcript.whisperx[1425].text 就矛盾了
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transcript.whisperx[1426].text 而且
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transcript.whisperx[1427].text 像我們剛才說的
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transcript.whisperx[1428].text 你海賊的靈敏
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transcript.whisperx[1429].text 以後啊
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transcript.whisperx[1430].text 他如果敢也收他出來
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transcript.whisperx[1431].text 以後鑑贊於他
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transcript.whisperx[1432].text 很多人的寬慮會受害
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transcript.whisperx[1433].text 我猜一下
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transcript.whisperx[1440].text 工地你死工了
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transcript.whisperx[1441].text 一定會占用到
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transcript.whisperx[1442].text 人行到空間
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transcript.whisperx[1443].text 他說
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transcript.whisperx[1455].text 他糾正
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transcript.whisperx[1457].text 你占用到人行的空間
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transcript.whisperx[1463].text 他把所有的
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transcript.whisperx[1464].text 程序的公文都PO出來
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transcript.whisperx[1465].text 他敢吃敢穿他倒腳肘
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transcript.whisperx[1472].text 他給我們這個監委被庭面人
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transcript.whisperx[1482].text 那您
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transcript.whisperx[1494].text 這樣立法院也要先廢除
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transcript.whisperx[1497].text 應該是啊
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transcript.whisperx[1501].text 做監委的人
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transcript.whisperx[1519].text 數值
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transcript.whisperx[1521].text 因為監察委員只有二十幾個
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transcript.whisperx[1522].text 又有七個
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transcript.whisperx[1527].text 能力夠
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transcript.whisperx[1529].text 這個是一個重點
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transcript.whisperx[1534].text 行政單位的某一些
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transcript.whisperx[1535].text 像剛剛講
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transcript.whisperx[1536].text 政風機構聯政署合作
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transcript.whisperx[1538].text 所提出來的一些弊案
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transcript.whisperx[1539].text 去做主動的調查
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transcript.whisperx[1540].text 這個都是可以努力的
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transcript.whisperx[1541].text 其實你看你一年都被罵六次
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transcript.whisperx[1542].text 依照監察院目前
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transcript.whisperx[1544].text 做事的
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transcript.whisperx[1545].text 這實在是負擔非常重
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transcript.whisperx[1547].text 你說會多少好
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transcript.whisperx[1548].text 這基本上就是一個限制
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transcript.whisperx[1549].text 這就應該讓我們看完之後
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transcript.whisperx[1550].text 來改善 進步
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transcript.whisperx[1551].text 不過為公正的重點
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transcript.whisperx[1552].text 在沒有修憲完成以前
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transcript.whisperx[1553].text 監察院就是一個合法的憲政機關
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transcript.whisperx[1554].text 它有非常必要性的功能
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transcript.whisperx[1555].text 你不能亂花費 把它賺亂掉
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transcript.whisperx[1556].text 這第一個重大損害到人民的權益
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transcript.whisperx[1558].text 有很大的貢獻
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transcript.whisperx[1559].text 好 謝謝林委員
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transcript.whisperx[1560].text 現在我們請劉許廷委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1561].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1562].text 請陳被提名的被刑
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transcript.whisperx[1563].text 被提名人早安
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transcript.whisperx[1564].text 我是立法委員劉許廷
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transcript.whisperx[1565].text 今天我們分兩個層面
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transcript.whisperx[1566].text 探討一下監察院的功能跟角色扮演
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transcript.whisperx[1567].text 希望被提名人知無不言 言無不盡
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transcript.whisperx[1568].text 第一個我們探討監察院的憲政角色
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transcript.whisperx[1569].text 這個大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[1570].text 監察院是憲法設置的監察機關
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transcript.whisperx[1571].text 核心的職能大家都非常清楚
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transcript.whisperx[1572].text 基本上就是強力的監督公務人員
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transcript.whisperx[1573].text 以及政務人員
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transcript.whisperx[1574].text 有沒有違法失職的各種情勢
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transcript.whisperx[1575].text 憲法第95條明定
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transcript.whisperx[1576].text 監察院行使監察權
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transcript.whisperx[1577].text 得向行政院及各部會調閱
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transcript.whisperx[1578].text 發布命令及各種有關的文件
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transcript.whisperx[1579].text 甚至都是內參的文件
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transcript.whisperx[1580].text 你也都可以調閱 有調閱權利
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transcript.whisperx[1581].text 監察法也賦予了監察委員調查各機關
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transcript.whisperx[1582].text 及相關人員的權利
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transcript.whisperx[1583].text 就是所謂的調查權
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transcript.whisperx[1584].text 因此我們常常都關注
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transcript.whisperx[1585].text 監察院不能只等到法院判決公務員違法之後
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transcript.whisperx[1586].text 我才來做事後的調查
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transcript.whisperx[1587].text 或者是有權的調查
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transcript.whisperx[1588].text 而是只要有任何的具體事證
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transcript.whisperx[1589].text 甚至有這樣的一個跡象的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1590].text 其實是應該要主動出擊的
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transcript.whisperx[1591].text 只要任何的行政機關
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transcript.whisperx[1592].text 或者是公務員有可能有違法失職的一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[1593].text 其實就可以早日起動調查
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transcript.whisperx[1594].text 來儘速釐清事實跟責任
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transcript.whisperx[1595].text 這不也應該同意這樣的說法吧
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transcript.whisperx[1596].text 我這個我贊成
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transcript.whisperx[1597].text 贊成對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1598].text 所以我們要討論一下這個憲政
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transcript.whisperx[1599].text 我們就從憲大的方向開始談
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transcript.whisperx[1600].text 就談一下所謂的憲政分際的一個詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1601].text 因為監察院能夠合理的扮演憲政分際的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1602].text 才是能夠發揮功能的一個關鍵
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transcript.whisperx[1603].text 這不能只是說說而已
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transcript.whisperx[1604].text 而是無法這個過去
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transcript.whisperx[1605].text 常常有沒有辦法付諸實踐的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1606].text 剛剛好幾位委員在質詢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1607].text 其實都提到了這個民意對於監察院的存在
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transcript.whisperx[1608].text 大概顯然是已經是
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transcript.whisperx[1609].text 其實相對一個負面的一個看法
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transcript.whisperx[1610].text 其實很多時候就背後是有結構性的這樣一個原因
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transcript.whisperx[1612].text 這依照憲法
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transcript.whisperx[1613].text 行政機關有沒有權利自行認定
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transcript.whisperx[1614].text 立法院三讀通過的法律
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transcript.whisperx[1615].text 還有總統已經公佈的法律是違憲
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transcript.whisperx[1616].text 所以他拒絕執行
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transcript.whisperx[1617].text 委員是說行政機關能不能自行
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transcript.whisperx[1620].text 因為我認為他違憲所以我不執行
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transcript.whisperx[1621].text 他可不可以這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1622].text 這個當然會引起爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1623].text 那所以我想這個還是要憲法法庭去做裁決
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transcript.whisperx[1624].text 行政機構跟立法機構意見不一樣的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1626].text 這個是最後的裁決
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transcript.whisperx[1627].text 但是從你的角度
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transcript.whisperx[1628].text 有沒有人可以片面認定這個事
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transcript.whisperx[1629].text 他們可不可以直接認定這件事
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transcript.whisperx[1630].text 我想這個是會有爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1631].text 但是我不能說他可不可以
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transcript.whisperx[1632].text 因為檢察院沒有辦法去做這樣的一個判定
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transcript.whisperx[1633].text 那我想請教一下我們大家都講
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transcript.whisperx[1635].text 這我想整個國家運作的核心法治國原則
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transcript.whisperx[1636].text 依法行政是最重要的
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transcript.whisperx[1637].text 這甚至檢察院很多時候要補一補立法院的功能
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transcript.whisperx[1638].text 就是因為即便是違反法律精神的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1639].text 其實你都可以集中調查
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transcript.whisperx[1640].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1641].text 大家都檢察院的角色想像跟期待是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1642].text 所以換言之社會大眾對於檢察院的期待
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transcript.whisperx[1643].text 甚至有的就是高過立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1644].text 立法院沒辦法處理是因為我們這邊被法律等等的框架
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transcript.whisperx[1645].text 所框線住
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transcript.whisperx[1646].text 但是我們法律的精神
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transcript.whisperx[1647].text 如果能夠往好的方向去貫徹
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transcript.whisperx[1648].text 變成一個乾乾淨淨正正當當的國家
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transcript.whisperx[1649].text 這才是檢察院的角色
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transcript.whisperx[1650].text 結果你今天我們在討論
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transcript.whisperx[1651].text 這個憲政裡面出現很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[1652].text 你說我只能爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1653].text 我只能袖手旁觀
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transcript.whisperx[1654].text 我覺得這樣的一個答案是蠻失望的
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transcript.whisperx[1655].text 我想請教一下背景人
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transcript.whisperx[1656].text 憲法有哪一條法律規定
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transcript.whisperx[1657].text 這個行政機關可以自行宣告法律是否違憲嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1658].text 我們就法論法就好
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transcript.whisperx[1659].text 我不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1660].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[1662].text 當然沒有嘛對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1663].text 我舉一個例子比如說
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transcript.whisperx[1664].text 法院的判決
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transcript.whisperx[1665].text 那如果人民不甘願
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transcript.whisperx[1666].text 他當然可以來申訴申冤
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transcript.whisperx[1667].text 那檢察院也會去調查
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transcript.whisperx[1668].text 但是檢察院沒有辦法去決定說
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transcript.whisperx[1669].text 這個法官的自由心證是不是違法
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transcript.whisperx[1670].text 我們只能調查的是法官也沒有受受賄賂
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transcript.whisperx[1671].text 或者是做不當的判決
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transcript.whisperx[1672].text 這個你的講法我可以理解
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transcript.whisperx[1673].text 但是關鍵就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1674].text 就是說我們沒有辦法侵犯司法權的部分
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transcript.whisperx[1675].text 當然我們也不能侵犯這個
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transcript.whisperx[1676].text 立法權或者行政權
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transcript.whisperx[1677].text 你當然都不能夠侵犯對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1678].text 這個五院是平行的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1679].text 所以檢察院並不是最高的財富
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transcript.whisperx[1680].text 所以今天我才跟你討論這個問題的原因
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transcript.whisperx[1681].text 就在於說
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transcript.whisperx[1682].text 既然就是因為大家是平行的一個角色
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transcript.whisperx[1683].text 所以彼此間的奮機跟跑位是非常非常重要的
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transcript.whisperx[1684].text 檢察院只是不外乎就一件事嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1685].text 只要違反了依法行政
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transcript.whisperx[1686].text 還有依法行政的一個精神
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transcript.whisperx[1687].text 其實檢察院他就可以啟動調查不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1688].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1689].text 那今天我們都已經很清楚了
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transcript.whisperx[1690].text 沒有任何的法令可以證明
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transcript.whisperx[1691].text 或者是可以允許行政的一個權利
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transcript.whisperx[1692].text 可以隨便的自行的宣布違憲
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transcript.whisperx[1693].text 那拒絕執行通過的法律
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transcript.whisperx[1694].text 是不是就是違反了依法行政的精神
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transcript.whisperx[1695].text 那請問檢察院要不要啟動調查
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transcript.whisperx[1696].text 我覺得立法院通過的行政院長要不要復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1697].text 這個是他們的判斷
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transcript.whisperx[1698].text 是不是違憲應該是大法官的解釋
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transcript.whisperx[1699].text 他做不到的事情他不復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1700].text 我也請教過一些憲法學者
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transcript.whisperx[1701].text 他們認為真的做不到他就不復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1702].text 這也是他的權利
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transcript.whisperx[1703].text 所以你覺得你會願意從寬解釋
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transcript.whisperx[1704].text 我認為不復屬是行政院的權利是這樣的意思嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1705].text 比如說
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transcript.whisperx[1706].text 如果立法院通過一個法案說
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transcript.whisperx[1707].text 下個月開始
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transcript.whisperx[1708].text 全台灣的民眾每個月可以領20萬現金
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transcript.whisperx[1709].text 那這個當然行政院沒有辦法復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1710].text 因為他做不到
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transcript.whisperx[1711].text 所以你認為只要做不到就可以不復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1712].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1713].text 這是一個你判斷的一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[1714].text 好我舉個另外一個例子
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transcript.whisperx[1715].text 這個2025年6月立法院通過的法令
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transcript.whisperx[1716].text 叫做軍人待遇條例
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transcript.whisperx[1717].text 請問貝提米人你知道這個事情的脈絡吧
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transcript.whisperx[1718].text 這個軍人待遇條例有沒有復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1719].text 有復屬對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1720].text 他甚至行政院甚至連提復議都沒有提復議
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transcript.whisperx[1721].text 也沒有不復屬
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transcript.whisperx[1722].text 整個總統就依法公佈了
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transcript.whisperx[1723].text 那請問這樣要不要執行
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transcript.whisperx[1724].text 你剛講了你自己的政治判斷這本席願意遵守
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transcript.whisperx[1725].text 但是軍人待遇條例是沒有提復議案
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transcript.whisperx[1726].text 也沒有不復屬總統依法公佈
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transcript.whisperx[1727].text 我要完全符合正當程序
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transcript.whisperx[1728].text 那就已經通過了
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transcript.whisperx[1729].text 那就已經通過了
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transcript.whisperx[1730].text 那請問要不要執行
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transcript.whisperx[1731].text 那執行你們要監督啊
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transcript.whisperx[1732].text 是啊那沒有執行的時候你要不要調查
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transcript.whisperx[1733].text 算不算違反依法行政的精神
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transcript.whisperx[1734].text 如果你們通過了他也附屬公佈了
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transcript.whisperx[1735].text 我想你們可以追蹤嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1736].text 看看行政院到底有沒有做嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1737].text 講得好
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transcript.whisperx[1738].text 那你要從他的預算有沒有編列開始去看嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1740].text 背景人你要了解這個是嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1741].text 所以說理論上來講啊
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transcript.whisperx[1742].text 這個從憲政的角度來看
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transcript.whisperx[1743].text 大家以前講三權分立三權分立對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1744].text 中華民國體制比較特別變五權分立
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transcript.whisperx[1745].text 其實某一些層面
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transcript.whisperx[1746].text 監察權跟立法權當初應該是一體的
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transcript.whisperx[1747].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[1748].text 所以大家應該是在同一陣線
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transcript.whisperx[1749].text 從監督政府的角度來出發
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transcript.whisperx[1750].text 來討論這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[1751].text 那你今天講立法院已經告訴你了
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transcript.whisperx[1752].text 現在我們有這個我們當然有在追蹤啊
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transcript.whisperx[1753].text 他就是沒有執行沒有編列相關的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1754].text 還形成了很多的這個執政的一個僵局
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transcript.whisperx[1755].text 預算的僵局等等
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transcript.whisperx[1756].text 都是因為來自於這個法律沒有被依法執行
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transcript.whisperx[1757].text 那請問監察院的角色是什麼呢
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transcript.whisperx[1758].text 在這個案例裡面
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transcript.whisperx[1759].text 那如果立法院向監察院提出
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transcript.whisperx[1760].text 這個案子我們可以調查
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transcript.whisperx[1761].text 提到但是結論是你沒有調查
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transcript.whisperx[1762].text 有提啊
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transcript.whisperx[1763].text 這些當然都有提都有送到監察院啊
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transcript.whisperx[1764].text 監察院當初的回應是說
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transcript.whisperx[1765].text 我們這個沒有辦法沒有辦法出
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transcript.whisperx[1766].text 因為這個是屬於憲政爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1767].text 因為他講說這個要釋憲
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transcript.whisperx[1768].text 現在我們執政黨只要這個
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transcript.whisperx[1769].text 對法案品質不滿意或者是內容不滿意
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transcript.whisperx[1770].text 他就說我有憲政爭議片面認定
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transcript.whisperx[1771].text 要要進憲法法律
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transcript.whisperx[1772].text 你也就是說好吧
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transcript.whisperx[1773].text 那就交給那個處理你不亦有態度啊
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transcript.whisperx[1774].text 現在的狀況是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1775].text 很多立法院通過了法案
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transcript.whisperx[1776].text 出現爭議的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1777].text 我沒有希望監察院有態度啊
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transcript.whisperx[1778].text 但監察院決定是我沒有態度
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transcript.whisperx[1779].text 被提名同意這樣子的一個風氣嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1780].text 我剛剛已經講了
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transcript.whisperx[1781].text 如果立法院跟行政院的看法
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transcript.whisperx[1782].text 是是在憲政上有爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1783].text 這個要大法官來解釋嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1784].text 不是由監察院來判決
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transcript.whisperx[1785].text 是啊所以你在回應啊
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transcript.whisperx[1786].text 我們立法院相關的一個問卷的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1787].text 你就講啊
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transcript.whisperx[1788].text 這有沒有違憲只有司法院可以回答
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transcript.whisperx[1789].text 但在這個判決出來之前
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transcript.whisperx[1790].text 你不亦有任何態度
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transcript.whisperx[1791].text 這就是有問題嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1792].text 因為我剛舉的軍人待遇條例
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transcript.whisperx[1793].text 完全沒有任何爭議不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1794].text 但是你也沒有做相應的處理
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transcript.whisperx[1795].text 你也沒有做調調查
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transcript.whisperx[1796].text 也沒有做彈劾等等
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transcript.whisperx[1797].text 那當然嘛大家就會對監察院失去信心
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transcript.whisperx[1798].text 被提名人提了很多改革的一個主張
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transcript.whisperx[1799].text 這個大家剛剛這個很多委員也講
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transcript.whisperx[1800].text 這擔心監察院被沒有牙齒的老虎
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transcript.whisperx[1801].text 你都不擔心這樣的事情嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1802].text 我覺得如果真的立法院有碰到這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[1803].text 把案子送到監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1804].text 監察院是可以調查成案立案的
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transcript.whisperx[1805].text 但是最後的結果我不知道
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transcript.whisperx[1806].text 因為要看調查的結果
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transcript.whisperx[1807].text 因為前面不管是調查立案
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transcript.whisperx[1808].text 就不受理嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1809].text 不處理不立案嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1810].text 然後剛剛問你
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transcript.whisperx[1811].text 你要講說啊不亦有不亦有態度
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transcript.whisperx[1812].text 你在問卷回答的時候都是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1813].text 這就是本席今天要提一下
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transcript.whisperx[1814].text 這件事情的原因
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transcript.whisperx[1815].text 我們很擔心啊
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transcript.whisperx[1816].text 如果監察院沒有辦法扮演這樣一個角色的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1817].text 那當然嘛就會違反這個社會
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transcript.whisperx[1818].text 你剛剛提的是兩個不同例子嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1819].text 一個是他不附屬
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transcript.whisperx[1820].text 那這個是軍人代表的決議
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transcript.whisperx[1821].text 他附屬了
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transcript.whisperx[1822].text 總統也公布了
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transcript.whisperx[1823].text 那這個是實行的問題嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1824].text 所以這是兩個不同的
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transcript.whisperx[1825].text 我剛剛舉的例子就是軍人代表的決議
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transcript.whisperx[1826].text 因為我說依法公布的一個法律
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transcript.whisperx[1827].text 就應該要執行
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transcript.whisperx[1828].text 這其實從監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1829].text 從依法行政的精神本來就要貫徹
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transcript.whisperx[1830].text 我很擔心這樣的風氣一旦建立
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transcript.whisperx[1831].text 你未來監察院啊
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transcript.whisperx[1832].text 我要開始調查違法失職的各種項目的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1833].text 然後下面的公務員講說
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transcript.whisperx[1834].text 我覺得這個東西有憲政爭議
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transcript.whisperx[1835].text 你以前只要碰到憲政爭議你就不處理
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transcript.whisperx[1836].text 這個很麻煩
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transcript.whisperx[1837].text 你反而會影響監察院的一個職能
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transcript.whisperx[1838].text 時間有限啊
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transcript.whisperx[1839].text 我就不多跟你談這個事
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transcript.whisperx[1840].text 另外一個我要提醒一下
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transcript.whisperx[1841].text 剛剛有委員講說啊
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transcript.whisperx[1842].text 這個立法院很喜歡用監察院的調查報告啊
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transcript.whisperx[1843].text 所以監察院很有功能
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transcript.whisperx[1844].text 以經貿談判辦公室這個案子來說啊
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transcript.whisperx[1845].text 這個調查報告什麼時候出來的
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transcript.whisperx[1846].text 7月29號
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transcript.whisperx[1847].text 行政院什麼時候免職的
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transcript.whisperx[1848].text 7月2號
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transcript.whisperx[1849].text 如果監察院不能善察於前
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transcript.whisperx[1850].text 強力處理於前
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transcript.whisperx[1851].text 在這種重大的社會主義案子那邊
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transcript.whisperx[1852].text 彰顯相關的權利的話
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transcript.whisperx[1853].text 這就是為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[1854].text 大家覺得監察院可憂可哺的原因啦
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transcript.whisperx[1855].text 這因為沒有時間
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transcript.whisperx[1856].text 我就沒辦法聽你回答比較遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[1857].text 但留在議事錄上給大家做一個參考
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transcript.whisperx[1858].text 以上謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1859].text 謝謝你後援
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transcript.whisperx[1860].text 接下來我們請李坤城委員質詢
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transcript.whisperx[1861].text 詢問
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transcript.whisperx[1862].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[1863].text 那我們現在請監察院院長貝提明人陳永新院長
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transcript.whisperx[1864].text 請陳貝提明人
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transcript.whisperx[1865].text 院長好
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transcript.whisperx[1866].text 你好
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transcript.whisperx[1867].text 院長算是這個民主政治的前輩
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transcript.whisperx[1868].text 不過今天基於之前的關係
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transcript.whisperx[1869].text 我必須有些問題要請教您
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transcript.whisperx[1870].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[1871].text 那個請教一下
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transcript.whisperx[1872].text 去年其實在立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1873].text 他就已經大幅的這個
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transcript.whisperx[1874].text 刪除跟凍結監察院的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1875].text 那今年度也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[1877].text 今年度的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1878].text 我看也是被
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transcript.whisperx[1879].text 也是被刪除了
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transcript.whisperx[1880].text 大概是除了這個人事費用之外
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transcript.whisperx[1881].text 其他的業務費用全部都刪除掉了
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transcript.whisperx[1882].text 那我想請問一下陳院長
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transcript.whisperx[1883].text 如果有這個機會
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transcript.whisperx[1884].text 擔任這一個監察院的院長
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transcript.whisperx[1885].text 那你發現說你上任之後
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transcript.whisperx[1886].text 你只剩下人事費
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transcript.whisperx[1887].text 其他所有的費用都沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[1888].text 都被刪除了
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transcript.whisperx[1889].text 那整個監察院要怎麼運作
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transcript.whisperx[1890].text 你不能要馬兒
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transcript.whisperx[1891].text 跑又要馬兒不吃草嘛
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transcript.whisperx[1892].text 我會爭取合理的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1893].text 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1894].text 在監察院沒有被修憲廢除以前
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transcript.whisperx[1895].text 不應該用把預算刪除
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transcript.whisperx[1896].text 或者是把監察委員的人選全部否決
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transcript.whisperx[1897].text 讓他變成一個空窗
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transcript.whisperx[1898].text 空轉的機構
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transcript.whisperx[1899].text 然後讓他癱瘓
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transcript.whisperx[1900].text 這樣的做法不但不合理
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transcript.whisperx[1901].text 其實是違憲的
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transcript.whisperx[1902].text 所以我如果做監察院長
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transcript.whisperx[1903].text 我一定跟立法院充分的溝通
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transcript.whisperx[1904].text 爭取合理的預算
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transcript.whisperx[1905].text 但是有可能在你這個
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transcript.whisperx[1906].text 有機會擔任院長的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1907].text 預算已經被刪除掉了
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transcript.whisperx[1908].text 所以我今天希望我這裡的發言
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transcript.whisperx[1909].text 讓這個這個禮拜你們最後協商的時候
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transcript.whisperx[1910].text 主張要刪預算的
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transcript.whisperx[1911].text 立法委員可以再慎重的思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[1912].text 那如果在您就任之前
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transcript.whisperx[1913].text 有機會就任之前
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transcript.whisperx[1914].text 預算被刪除了
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transcript.whisperx[1915].text 那你會採取什麼樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[1916].text 法律的一個就介的行為
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transcript.whisperx[1917].text 我很遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[1918].text 但是我會研究是不是可以再
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transcript.whisperx[1919].text 請監察院附議
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transcript.whisperx[1920].text 或者是行政院幫我們提這個附議
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transcript.whisperx[1921].text 因為去年是這個
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transcript.whisperx[1922].text 因為有監委是
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transcript.whisperx[1923].text 監察院是提出釋憲
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transcript.whisperx[1924].text 那所以釋憲是不是也是
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transcript.whisperx[1925].text 如果有機會的話
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transcript.whisperx[1926].text 會採取了一個動作
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transcript.whisperx[1927].text 其實我覺得立法院
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transcript.whisperx[1928].text 如果是講道理的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1929].text 這個其實還不需要動到釋憲
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transcript.whisperx[1930].text 如果是講道理的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1931].text 預算就不會被刪掉了
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transcript.whisperx[1932].text 對啊這個機關沒有廢除
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transcript.whisperx[1933].text 你不給他預算
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transcript.whisperx[1934].text 然後你又要求他做事情
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transcript.whisperx[1935].text 要有功能
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transcript.whisperx[1936].text 這個是矛盾
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transcript.whisperx[1937].text 我剛剛已經舉例了
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transcript.whisperx[1938].text 你治安不好
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transcript.whisperx[1939].text 你不能把警政署廢掉
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transcript.whisperx[1940].text 你應該監察警察的人力設備配備
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transcript.whisperx[1941].text 一樣的道理
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transcript.whisperx[1942].text 我們醫院也是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[1943].text 我發現一個醫院沒有好
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transcript.whisperx[1944].text 經營不好
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transcript.whisperx[1945].text 我就是派更好的醫生去
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transcript.whisperx[1946].text 給他充分的設備
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transcript.whisperx[1947].text 讓他提升服務病人的這個績效
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transcript.whisperx[1948].text 有可能這個監察委員的提名人
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transcript.whisperx[1949].text 都被藍白
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transcript.whisperx[1950].text 都被反對了
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transcript.whisperx[1951].text 所以接下來有可能
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transcript.whisperx[1952].text 會呈現一個沒有監察委員的監察院
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transcript.whisperx[1953].text 那這個我想對台灣社會的不幸
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transcript.whisperx[1954].text 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1955].text 不要什麼事情
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transcript.whisperx[1956].text 都要讓這個政府癱瘓空傳
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transcript.whisperx[1957].end 6663.05
transcript.whisperx[1957].text 大家應該為了整個人民著想
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transcript.whisperx[1958].text 這個機構讓他發揮功能才是正途
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transcript.whisperx[1959].text 所以其實蠻矛盾的
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transcript.whisperx[1960].text 我剛才也聽了幾位國民黨委員他們的說法
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transcript.whisperx[1961].text 台北提到說這個監察院要發揮調查權
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transcript.whisperx[1962].text 監察權
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transcript.whisperx[1963].text 要彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[1964].text 要糾舉
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transcript.whisperx[1965].text 糾正等等之類的
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transcript.whisperx[1966].text 但是實際上他沒有想讓你過
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transcript.whisperx[1967].text 沒有想讓你過
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transcript.whisperx[1968].text 因為希望說監察院要發揮這些的功能
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transcript.whisperx[1969].text 這其實是矛盾的
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transcript.whisperx[1970].text 那我再請一下一下陳院長
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transcript.whisperx[1971].text 那過去您跟這個民眾黨的關係
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transcript.whisperx[1972].text 跟這個柯文哲跟黃國昌
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transcript.whisperx[1973].text 兩位主席的關係算是不錯
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transcript.whisperx[1974].text 那這次有特別去拜會他們嗎
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transcript.whisperx[1975].text 沒有
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transcript.whisperx[1976].text 我過去當然從
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transcript.whisperx[1977].text 台聯時代力量
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transcript.whisperx[1978].text 一直到民眾黨
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transcript.whisperx[1979].text 我都是比較關心弱勢
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transcript.whisperx[1980].text 所以我也覺得他們是
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transcript.whisperx[1981].text 台灣社會比較弱小的政黨
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transcript.whisperx[1982].text 我都曾經給予很大的幫忙
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transcript.whisperx[1983].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[1984].text 我覺得監察院長是一個要得罪人的
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transcript.whisperx[1985].text 監察院是得罪人的地方
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transcript.whisperx[1986].text 所以
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transcript.whisperx[1987].text 我不會去拜託任何的一個委員
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transcript.whisperx[1988].text 李登輝總統曾經提名我做監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[1989].text 那時候我才39歲
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transcript.whisperx[1990].text 是最年輕的監委
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transcript.whisperx[1991].text 那時候的院長是陳禹安
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transcript.whisperx[1992].text 李登輝總統要陳禹安帶我們29個監委
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transcript.whisperx[1993].text 去拜託當時的國民大會代表
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transcript.whisperx[1994].text 只有我一個沒有去
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transcript.whisperx[1995].text 因為我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[1996].text 我不能欠這些國大人情
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transcript.whisperx[1997].text 我將來要彈劾人家
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transcript.whisperx[1998].text 他們說
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transcript.whisperx[1999].text 你當初請我投你一票
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transcript.whisperx[2000].text 那這個案子是不是可以
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transcript.whisperx[2001].text 這個觀說一下
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transcript.whisperx[2002].text 那我怎麼做
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transcript.whisperx[2003].text 所以我是不會去
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transcript.whisperx[2005].text 那因為除了民進黨支持之外
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transcript.whisperx[2006].text 可能還需要在野黨的支持
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transcript.whisperx[2007].text 那你有信心通過這次的人事通告
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transcript.whisperx[2008].text 我知道有困難
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transcript.whisperx[2009].text 第一次來總統
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transcript.whisperx[2010].text 希望我當任監察院長
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transcript.whisperx[2011].text 我說
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transcript.whisperx[2012].text 大概不會通過吧
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transcript.whisperx[2013].text 我說讓我思考一個禮拜
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transcript.whisperx[2014].text 後來我祈禱
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transcript.whisperx[2015].text 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2016].text 監察院是一個行公義的地方
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transcript.whisperx[2017].text 是要追求社會公平正義
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transcript.whisperx[2018].text 那這個是聖經
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transcript.whisperx[2019].text 所教會
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transcript.whisperx[2020].text 也是我畢生努力的目標
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transcript.whisperx[2021].text 後來我跟
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transcript.whisperx[2022].text 賴總統說
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transcript.whisperx[2023].text 好啦我答應
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transcript.whisperx[2024].text 即使不過
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transcript.whisperx[2025].text 也是上帝的旨意
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transcript.whisperx[2026].text 那我願意承擔這個
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transcript.whisperx[2027].text 但是但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[2028].text 事實上我覺得目前朝野對立的這種氣氛
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transcript.whisperx[2029].text 真的我們要把監察院好好改革
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transcript.whisperx[2030].text 是有相當的困難
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transcript.whisperx[2031].text 可是要廢掉
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transcript.whisperx[2032].text 現實是做不到
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transcript.whisperx[2033].text 最少好幾年的時間
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transcript.whisperx[2034].text 要去討論這個
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transcript.whisperx[2035].text 新鮮的這個
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transcript.whisperx[2036].text 真正的版本
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transcript.whisperx[2037].text 所以我覺得應該是
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transcript.whisperx[2038].text 朝野的立委
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transcript.whisperx[2039].text 特別是在野的立委
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transcript.whisperx[2040].text 其實應該
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transcript.whisperx[2041].text 用朝野黨派的思考
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transcript.whisperx[2042].text
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transcript.whisperx[2043].text 看這個人事案
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transcript.whisperx[2044].text 我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2045].text 不是所有提名的都不適任
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transcript.whisperx[2046].text 如果說要全部封殺
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transcript.whisperx[2047].text 那根本就不需要審查
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transcript.whisperx[2048].text 就直接退回了
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transcript.whisperx[2049].text 既然要審查
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transcript.whisperx[2050].text 就應該好好的看
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transcript.whisperx[2051].text 每一個被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[2052].text 他的操守
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transcript.whisperx[2053].text 他的性格
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transcript.whisperx[2055].text 他的專業
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transcript.whisperx[2056].text 在社會上是不是一個受敬重的
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transcript.whisperx[2057].text 一個好的監委的人選
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transcript.whisperx[2058].text 那我覺得這樣才能夠幫助台灣社會
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transcript.whisperx[2059].text 讓監察院發揮功能
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transcript.whisperx[2060].text 陳院長講的是一個理想的一個狀態
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transcript.whisperx[2061].text 如果立法院是講道理的地方
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transcript.whisperx[2062].text 審查也不應該全部都封殺
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transcript.whisperx[2063].text 那目前看起來
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transcript.whisperx[2064].text 有可能還是會被在野黨封殺
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transcript.whisperx[2065].text 我也是
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transcript.whisperx[2066].text 問心無愧
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transcript.whisperx[2067].text 我覺得平常心
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transcript.whisperx[2068].text 被通過了
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transcript.whisperx[2069].text 我一定讓監察院變成一個民眾可以信賴
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transcript.whisperx[2070].text 然後
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transcript.whisperx[2071].text 行使公義的地方
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transcript.whisperx[2072].text 但是不通過
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transcript.whisperx[2073].text 其實是讓我比較自由
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transcript.whisperx[2074].text 我這個年紀
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transcript.whisperx[2075].text 我可以比較輕鬆的過日子
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transcript.whisperx[2076].text 那再請教一下陳院長
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transcript.whisperx[2077].text 因為剛剛有委員有提到說
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transcript.whisperx[2078].text 我們楊錚宁
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transcript.whisperx[2079].text 我們談判總代表楊錚宁
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transcript.whisperx[2080].text 他是在7月29號
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transcript.whisperx[2081].text 被第六屆的監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2082].text 通過彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2083].text 那通過彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2084].text 接下來
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transcript.whisperx[2085].text 是要送懲戒法院來做審理
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transcript.whisperx[2086].text 那接下來有可能會產生一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[2087].text 就是當懲戒法院
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transcript.whisperx[2088].text 不是在監察院這個體系
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transcript.whisperx[2089].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[2090].text 如果懲戒法院
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transcript.whisperx[2091].text 他審理的案件
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transcript.whisperx[2092].text 一審判決出來
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transcript.whisperx[2093].text 那監察院覺得說
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transcript.whisperx[2094].text 這一個對於一審判決結果絕對不符
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transcript.whisperx[2095].text 這個必須要當初的調查監委
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transcript.whisperx[2096].text 或是新任的監委
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transcript.whisperx[2097].text 在20天內決定是否上訴
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transcript.whisperx[2098].text 如果到時候沒有監察委員了
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transcript.whisperx[2100].text 對了 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2102].text 其實不是全民之福
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transcript.whisperx[2103].text 所以我們還是希望
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transcript.whisperx[2104].text 9月29號大家投票的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2105].text 可以真的
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transcript.whisperx[2106].text 賓捷
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transcript.whisperx[2107].text 專業的判斷
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transcript.whisperx[2108].text 然後全民的福祉
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transcript.whisperx[2109].text 去考慮這個人事權的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2110].text 我剛才特別是舉這個
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transcript.whisperx[2111].text 楊振宇這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[2112].text 因為大家重視
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transcript.whisperx[2113].text 他就變成一個無解
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transcript.whisperx[2114].text 就是沒有辦法處理的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2115].text 沒有監察委員可以
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transcript.whisperx[2116].text 可以決定說是否要提上訴
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transcript.whisperx[2117].text 那接下來人民陳情案怎麼做處理
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transcript.whisperx[2118].text 如果沒有監察院了
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transcript.whisperx[2119].text 就沒辦法處理了
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transcript.whisperx[2120].text 就沒辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2121].text 可以收件但是沒辦法處理
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transcript.whisperx[2122].text 現在就沒有人能夠調查
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transcript.whisperx[2123].text 沒有人能夠調查
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transcript.whisperx[2128].text 除了收件之外
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transcript.whisperx[2129].text 那大概就是案子就躺在那邊
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transcript.whisperx[2131].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[2134].text 這個是社會的損失
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transcript.whisperx[2135].text 所以這個
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transcript.whisperx[2136].text 我們所講的
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transcript.whisperx[2138].text 彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2139].text 究舉
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transcript.whisperx[2140].text 糾正
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transcript.whisperx[2141].text 完全都停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[2142].text 因為沒有監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2143].text 對啊就停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[2144].text 那現在
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transcript.whisperx[2145].text 年底要選縣市長選舉了
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transcript.whisperx[2146].text 那當然現在我看很多候選人
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transcript.whisperx[2147].text 都已經就申請了政治獻金了
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transcript.whisperx[2148].text 那政治獻金
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transcript.whisperx[2149].text 當然現在要申請是可以
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transcript.whisperx[2151].text 未來相關有發現一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[2152].text 相關的裁罰
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transcript.whisperx[2153].text 還是要有監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2154].text 所以陽光法案就也停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[2155].text 陽光法案也停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[2156].text 我是覺得不應該讓監察院停擺
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transcript.whisperx[2157].text 所以所以我講的
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transcript.whisperx[2158].text 就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2159].text 這個大家期待監察院要有作為
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transcript.whisperx[2160].text 但是監察委員他不讓你通過
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transcript.whisperx[2162].text 也都停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[2163].text 然後監察院要做的這個彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2164].text 糾正 糾舉
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transcript.whisperx[2165].text 也完全沒辦法做了
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transcript.whisperx[2166].text 那更不用說這個
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transcript.whisperx[2169].text 我說監察院需要改
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transcript.whisperx[2170].text 好 謝謝李委員
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transcript.whisperx[2171].text 謝謝陳佩提名人
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transcript.whisperx[2174].text 詢答部分到此為止
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transcript.whisperx[2175].text 謝謝陳佩提名人列席答詢
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transcript.whisperx[2176].text 報告全院委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2177].text 現在休息十分鐘休息之後
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transcript.whisperx[2179].text 王榮章質詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2180].text 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[2182].text 現在繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[2185].text 王榮章質資格相關事項
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transcript.whisperx[2186].text 請被提名人王榮章先生
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transcript.whisperx[2188].text 時間為十分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[2189].text 主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生
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transcript.whisperx[2190].text 總統提名本人擔任監察院第七屆監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2191].text 並兼任監察院副院長
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transcript.whisperx[2192].text 及國家人權委員會委員
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transcript.whisperx[2193].text 今天能在全院委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2194].text 向各位報告個人的理念
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transcript.whisperx[2195].text 和未來工作方向深感責任重大
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transcript.whisperx[2196].text 監察院是目前憲政體制中
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transcript.whisperx[2197].text 重要的監督機關
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transcript.whisperx[2198].text 肩負
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transcript.whisperx[2199].text 糾正行政失衡
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transcript.whisperx[2201].text 促進能自理和深化人權價值的使命
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transcript.whisperx[2202].text 副院長的任務
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transcript.whisperx[2203].text 是協助院長推動院務
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transcript.whisperx[2205].text 促進委員協調合作
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transcript.whisperx[2206].text 提升監察竅能的重要責任
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transcript.whisperx[2207].text 我相信監察權的行使
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transcript.whisperx[2208].text 必須建立在證據 程序和公共利益之上
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transcript.whisperx[2209].text 而不能受到政治立場個人好惡
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transcript.whisperx[2210].text 或外在壓力影響
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transcript.whisperx[2211].text 未來若能獲貴院同意
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transcript.whisperx[2212].text 我將相助院長
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transcript.whisperx[2216].text 使重大公共爭議或人民陳情案件
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transcript.whisperx[2217].text 都能在完整蒐證 充分聽取意見
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transcript.whisperx[2218].text 嚴謹辨明事實的基礎上處理
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transcript.whisperx[2219].text 唯有如此監察院的調查事實與糾正務實
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transcript.whisperx[2231].text 使監察委員在
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transcript.whisperx[2256].text 回應更即時
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transcript.whisperx[2288].text 兩者本質不同卻由同一人兼任
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transcript.whisperx[2300].text 所做出的必要選擇
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transcript.whisperx[2306].text 未來發展之意見書
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transcript.whisperx[2314].text 推動人權會建置
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transcript.whisperx[2315].text 制度建立與政策改革
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transcript.whisperx[2320].text 建置符合可及性
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transcript.whisperx[2326].text 派查原則處理人權申訴案件
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transcript.whisperx[2343].text 第二次和第三次國家報告的
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transcript.whisperx[2345].text 並且發佈點字手語有聲書
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transcript.whisperx[2346].text 與異讀等可及性無障礙版本
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transcript.whisperx[2349].text 以系統性方法調查身心障礙者
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transcript.whisperx[2350].text 最關切的權利議題
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transcript.whisperx[2351].text 編寫身心障礙者合理調整參考指引
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transcript.whisperx[2352].text 推動合理調整入法
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transcript.whisperx[2353].text 並就身心障礙者權益保護法修正案
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transcript.whisperx[2354].text 及反歧視法草案
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transcript.whisperx[2355].text 國家人權行動計畫等提出書面意見
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transcript.whisperx[2356].text 以及對心理社會障礙處罰者的處遇制度
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transcript.whisperx[2357].text 嚴重情緒行為
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transcript.whisperx[2358].text 心智障礙者支持體系等議題
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transcript.whisperx[2359].text 提出改革建議
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transcript.whisperx[2360].text 且多獲行政院採納
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transcript.whisperx[2361].text 最後就社會關注本人公務車使用問題
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transcript.whisperx[2362].text 向各位委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[2363].text 為究竟使用監察院內的理髮部
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transcript.whisperx[2364].text 是因為他的設備跟本人的障礙限制
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transcript.whisperx[2365].text 無法融合使用
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transcript.whisperx[2366].text 當天因為公務會議臨時取消而提前下班
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transcript.whisperx[2367].text 途中順道到鄰近店家理髮
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transcript.whisperx[2369].text 均由本人自行負擔
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transcript.whisperx[2370].text 沒有造成公務資源損害
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transcript.whisperx[2371].text 這輛配屬的車輛從107年到114年
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transcript.whisperx[2372].text 立法院通過的監察院法定預算
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transcript.whisperx[2373].text 公務車輛名系表中
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transcript.whisperx[2374].text 均將其列為首長專用車
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transcript.whisperx[2375].text 而非統一調派的車輛
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transcript.whisperx[2376].text 在15年4月修正
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transcript.whisperx[2377].text 監察院公務車輛及駕駛人員管理要點之前
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transcript.whisperx[2379].text 這顯示內部的管理
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transcript.whisperx[2380].text 和外部監督標準存有確實的落差
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transcript.whisperx[2381].text 本人願意接受指教
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transcript.whisperx[2382].text 並且支持更透明
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transcript.whisperx[2384].text 未來若承擔副院長職責
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transcript.whisperx[2385].text 我會以謙卑專業與堅定的態度
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transcript.whisperx[2386].text 相助院長尊重委員
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transcript.whisperx[2387].text 服務人民
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transcript.whisperx[2388].text 讓監察院與國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[2389].text 成為人民信賴社會期待
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transcript.whisperx[2390].text 並能夠持續推動民主深化的重要機制
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transcript.whisperx[2391].text 以上報告
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transcript.whisperx[2392].text 敬請主席及各位委員指教
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transcript.whisperx[2393].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2394].text
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transcript.whisperx[2395].text 謝謝王貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[2396].text 現在進行委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2397].text 首先請王委員事間詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2398].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[2399].text 東東雲
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transcript.whisperx[2400].text 其實我個人對監察院的主張
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transcript.whisperx[2401].text 一直是我們民進黨從創黨以來
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transcript.whisperx[2402].text 所認為的就是要廢除監察院考試院
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transcript.whisperx[2403].text 我現在這個看法沒有變
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transcript.whisperx[2404].text 但是既然
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transcript.whisperx[2405].text 我們體制上走到今天
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transcript.whisperx[2406].text 監察院因為要修憲才能廢
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transcript.whisperx[2407].text 這個工程浩大
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transcript.whisperx[2408].text 還沒能廢除之前
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transcript.whisperx[2409].text 那我們一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2410].text 我們執政的民進黨要負起這個責任
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transcript.whisperx[2411].text 當然就要提名監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2412].text 監察院院長副院長
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transcript.whisperx[2413].text 讓體制正常的能夠來運行
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transcript.whisperx[2414].text 這是對的啦
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transcript.whisperx[2415].text 所以在我的看法
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transcript.whisperx[2416].text 如果我不得不
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transcript.whisperx[2417].text 要繼續維持監察院的話
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transcript.whisperx[2418].text 我認為您確實是最適合的監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2419].text 甚至您現在要被推舉為副院長
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transcript.whisperx[2420].text 所以我以下就以副院長來對您做稱呼
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transcript.whisperx[2421].text 那個王副院長
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transcript.whisperx[2422].text 這個我很肯定
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transcript.whisperx[2423].text 你過去長年以來
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transcript.whisperx[2424].text 包括在立法院
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transcript.whisperx[2425].text 以及現在在監察院
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transcript.whisperx[2426].text 兼任國家人權委員一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2427].text 就是說你長年對身障者權益
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transcript.whisperx[2428].text 對弱勢團體他們的權益的保障
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transcript.whisperx[2429].text 你確實是
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transcript.whisperx[2430].text 不遺餘力的在奔走
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transcript.whisperx[2431].text 那也看到你做到的很多成績
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transcript.whisperx[2432].text 那我今天要請教你兩個問題
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transcript.whisperx[2433].text 就是關於身心障礙者
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transcript.whisperx[2434].text 他們的人權保障
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transcript.whisperx[2435].text 如何加強身心障礙者他們的人權
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transcript.whisperx[2436].text 因為我們知道現在有許多
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transcript.whisperx[2437].text 是在法律上已經訂定
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transcript.whisperx[2438].text 對於身障者他們有保障
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transcript.whisperx[2439].text 但是實際生活上面
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transcript.whisperx[2440].text 卻是沒有真正落實的
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transcript.whisperx[2441].text 比方說
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transcript.whisperx[2442].text 比方說
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transcript.whisperx[2443].text 身心障礙者他們的自立生活
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transcript.whisperx[2444].text 這個部分我們在
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transcript.whisperx[2445].text 不管是長照的時數也好
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transcript.whisperx[2446].text 其他各方面交通的服務也好
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transcript.whisperx[2447].text 我就舉例
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transcript.whisperx[2448].text 身心障礙者自立生活
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transcript.whisperx[2449].text 他們最需要的就是
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transcript.whisperx[2450].text 就學
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transcript.whisperx[2451].text 就學
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transcript.whisperx[2452].text 就學
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transcript.whisperx[2453].text 這三個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2454].text 我們並沒有增加
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transcript.whisperx[2455].text 在這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2456].text 應該對他們的長照的時數
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transcript.whisperx[2457].text 交通工具的時數
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transcript.whisperx[2458].text 來增加對他們的
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transcript.whisperx[2459].text 這部分權利的保障
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transcript.whisperx[2460].text 所以這個部分我希望
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transcript.whisperx[2461].text 那未來你在監察院副院長的
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transcript.whisperx[2462].text 這個位置上能夠多多去推動
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transcript.whisperx[2463].text 去要求相關部會
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transcript.whisperx[2464].text 他們在身心障礙者自立生活上面
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transcript.whisperx[2465].text 給予他們這一些加強
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transcript.whisperx[2466].text 就是就學
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transcript.whisperx[2467].text 就業
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transcript.whisperx[2468].text 就讓身心障礙者
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transcript.whisperx[2469].text 跟我們一般所有國民一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2470].text 都能夠自立生活
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transcript.whisperx[2471].text 第二點
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transcript.whisperx[2472].text 希望你能做到的就是數位化時代
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transcript.whisperx[2473].text 這個時候的身心障礙
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transcript.whisperx[2474].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2475].text 那麼我們知道政府的服務
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transcript.whisperx[2476].text 快速的數位化
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transcript.whisperx[2477].text 像線上申辦數位身份證
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transcript.whisperx[2478].text 金融服務醫療服務人工智慧的應用
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transcript.whisperx[2479].text 我覺得越來越多
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transcript.whisperx[2480].text 這是好事
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transcript.whisperx[2482].text 事無
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transcript.whisperx[2483].text 都忘了生障者他們
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transcript.whisperx[2484].text 也就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2485].text 政府在做這件事情的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2486].text 是很快速喔
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transcript.whisperx[2488].text 因為他身體的障礙
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transcript.whisperx[2489].text 其實他沒有辦法去使用數位工具
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transcript.whisperx[2490].text 所以我就是希望說
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transcript.whisperx[2493].text 而無法使用數位工具的人
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transcript.whisperx[2494].text 那是不是有什麼方式
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transcript.whisperx[2495].text 應該要求政府讓他們能夠取得公共服務
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transcript.whisperx[2496].text 就是在這個數位化時代的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2497].text 我們身心障礙著他們的人權
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transcript.whisperx[2498].text 這個部分我希望你有辦法能夠把它加強
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transcript.whisperx[2499].text 這個部分王副院長你看法呢
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transcript.whisperx[2500].text 謝謝王委員的肯定指教
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transcript.whisperx[2501].text 我想我非常同意就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2502].text 在身心障礙者這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2503].text 很多的就是說需求我們在
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transcript.whisperx[2504].text 我們的國內現行的法規裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2505].text 有規定就是說要保障
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transcript.whisperx[2506].text 但是沒有辦法落實
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transcript.whisperx[2507].text 那我也非常同意您的意見
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transcript.whisperx[2508].text 在這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2509].text 那很重要的一個基本的原則
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transcript.whisperx[2510].text 什麼樣子落實
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transcript.whisperx[2511].text 除了我們現有的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2512].text 各項法律的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2513].text 無論在人權法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2514].text 然後或者是在我們的特教法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2515].text 我們的就是說就業相關的
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transcript.whisperx[2516].text 就是說法規裡面的這個部分能夠落實
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transcript.whisperx[2517].text 更重要的一個部分是
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transcript.whisperx[2518].text 身心障礙者權利公約
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transcript.whisperx[2519].text 聯合國身心障礙者權利公約
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transcript.whisperx[2520].text CRPD所掘式的就是說這一些的保障的內容
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transcript.whisperx[2521].text 等等能夠在台灣能夠落地生根
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transcript.whisperx[2522].text 因為我們政府其實政府在這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2523].text 數位的部分是已經越做越好越做越快
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transcript.whisperx[2524].text 到時候都是數位優先
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transcript.whisperx[2525].text 甚至數位為一
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transcript.whisperx[2526].text 當數位為一的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2527].text 那麼這個有身障者
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transcript.whisperx[2528].text 確實他沒有辦法使用到這些數位工具
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transcript.whisperx[2529].text 所以王副院長
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transcript.whisperx[2530].text 我希望你這一部分能夠積極具體的
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transcript.whisperx[2531].text 在你副院長任內積極的去幫身心障礙者
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transcript.whisperx[2532].text 去爭取去保護他們
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transcript.whisperx[2533].text 那我只有一項跟你是截然不同的看法
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transcript.whisperx[2534].text 因為你身兼國家人權委員
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transcript.whisperx[2537].text 你任內實現職業性別平等
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transcript.whisperx[2538].text 在職場上的性別平等
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transcript.whisperx[2539].text 促進兒少人權這些都很正面
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transcript.whisperx[2540].text 這些都非常正面
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transcript.whisperx[2541].text 但是每一年你們這些報告裡面都會扯到
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transcript.whisperx[2542].text 就是關於廢死廢除死刑
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transcript.whisperx[2544].text 那我舉一兩句我認為
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transcript.whisperx[2545].text 這實在是
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transcript.whisperx[2546].text 你認為我們全體人民認為這有沒有道理
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transcript.whisperx[2550].text 當被害人他的生命權被加害人剝奪了
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transcript.whisperx[2551].text 他的人性尊嚴被加害人完全摧毀了
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transcript.whisperx[2557].text 就是這個陣燙
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transcript.whisperx[2558].text 是這個
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transcript.whisperx[2559].text 抱歉
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transcript.whisperx[2560].text 我在七個三秒鐘
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transcript.whisperx[2561].text 我們要還
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transcript.whisperx[2562].text 被害人一個公道
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transcript.whisperx[2563].text 這就是司法正義最重要的目標
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transcript.whisperx[2564].text 別拿一不小心
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transcript.whisperx[2565].text 為什麼古代殺人償命
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transcript.whisperx[2566].text 這是天經地義的道理嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2567].text 不是這樣嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2568].text 什麼罪就是什麼罰
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transcript.whisperx[2570].text 當這個罪與罰越來越加重
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transcript.whisperx[2571].text 重道最大惡極罪無可換
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transcript.whisperx[2572].text 都已經殺人甚至毀屍
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transcript.whisperx[2573].text 長得
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transcript.whisperx[2577].text 這些都已經
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transcript.whisperx[2578].text 我們現在國內有37個案例
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transcript.whisperx[2579].text 已經判刑確定
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transcript.whisperx[2580].text 都已經罪證確鑿喔
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transcript.whisperx[2581].text 結果還拖在那裡
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transcript.whisperx[2582].text 就是因為敗
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transcript.whisperx[2583].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2586].text 我在質問法務部長的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2587].text 我看到他臉上那種很驚恐
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transcript.whisperx[2588].text 很無奈的表情
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transcript.whisperx[2589].text 我就知道他背後一定有這些壓力
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transcript.whisperx[2591].text 我希望在這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2592].text 您能夠好好思考思考
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transcript.whisperx[2593].text 現在百分之根據你自己的報告
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transcript.whisperx[2594].text 你說百分之七十以上
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transcript.whisperx[2595].text 我們台灣人民堅持
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transcript.whisperx[2596].text 爭取主張廢除死刑
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transcript.whisperx[2597].text 那更新的報告
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transcript.whisperx[2598].text 法務部的報告
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transcript.whisperx[2599].text 百分之九十一
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transcript.whisperx[2602].text 這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2603].text 我希望你帶回去衡量一下
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transcript.whisperx[2604].text 謝謝王委員
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transcript.whisperx[2605].text 下一位請翁曉玲委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2606].text 主席好
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transcript.whisperx[2607].text 在座的王委員
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transcript.whisperx[2608].text 被提名為副院長候選人的王委員您好
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transcript.whisperx[2613].text 坦白說
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transcript.whisperx[2614].text 我看到您和另外六位委員
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transcript.whisperx[2615].text 繼續被賴總統提名留任
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transcript.whisperx[2616].text 我感到還蠻驚訝的
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transcript.whisperx[2617].text 因為第六屆監察委員的表現
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transcript.whisperx[2618].text 可以說是差強人意
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transcript.whisperx[2619].text 不僅是辦案績效
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transcript.whisperx[2620].text 還有在監委的自律方面
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transcript.whisperx[2621].text 都出了很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2622].text 狀況連連
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transcript.whisperx[2623].text 但是賴靜德總統還是繼續提名了
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transcript.whisperx[2624].text 在第六屆包含您在內的七名委員
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transcript.whisperx[2625].text 繼續留任
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transcript.whisperx[2626].text 近期有一篇媒體報導說
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transcript.whisperx[2627].text 其實王委員您在監察院的監察績效
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transcript.whisperx[2628].text 是位居第六屆監委的最後一名
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transcript.whisperx[2629].text 您的調查案件數量是全院倒數第一
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transcript.whisperx[2630].text 只有六年當中
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transcript.whisperx[2631].text 只有參與25間的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[2632].text 比倒數第二名的監察委員的76件
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transcript.whisperx[2633].text 就相差了50件以上
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transcript.whisperx[2634].text 您做成的彈劾案也只有一件
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transcript.whisperx[2635].text 糾成案只有六件
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transcript.whisperx[2636].text 甚至有半年的時間
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transcript.whisperx[2637].text 是根本沒有處理過任何一個案子
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transcript.whisperx[2638].text 當然您還因為公務車的使用的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2639].text 後來還被監察院有要求要促及注意
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transcript.whisperx[2640].text 所以我想是不是可以請王委員
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transcript.whisperx[2641].text 王委員您可以告訴我們為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2642].text 您的調查案件數字這麼低的原因是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2643].text 還有您對於公務車使用的爭議
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transcript.whisperx[2644].text 您有沒有什麼話要說
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transcript.whisperx[2645].text 謝謝王委員的提問
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transcript.whisperx[2646].text 在這一個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2647].text 我想我在回答我們國民黨團所提出的
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transcript.whisperx[2648].text 書面詢問的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2649].text 有做了回答剛剛的口頭報告
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transcript.whisperx[2650].text 我也簡單的做了說明
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transcript.whisperx[2651].text 簡單的講就是說兩個問題
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transcript.whisperx[2652].text 第一個是針對調查案件數量的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2653].text 確實就是說在這六年裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2654].text 所以為一共數字上面的話是31件
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transcript.whisperx[2655].text 31件的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2656].text 當然也同樣的就是您剛剛講的
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transcript.whisperx[2657].text 在所有的委員裡面的話是最少的
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transcript.whisperx[2658].text 為什麼會這樣子做
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transcript.whisperx[2659].text 最主要的情況跟原因
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transcript.whisperx[2660].text 我希望就是說在人權委員的這一個部分的工作上面
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transcript.whisperx[2661].text 能夠符合巴黎原則
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transcript.whisperx[2662].text 要求就是說人權委員必須是專職
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transcript.whisperx[2663].text 所以當然我們知道就是說總統的提名
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transcript.whisperx[2666].text 我低度的參與監察調查的工作
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transcript.whisperx[2667].text 我把主要的行李跟工作時間放在人權委員的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2668].text 那對於您在公務車使用的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2669].text 是不是可以講一下為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[2671].text 您覺得這個監察院所做出的這樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[2672].text 只是促其注意
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transcript.whisperx[2673].text 請你們要注意這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[2674].text 那對於像是前秘書長李俊毅
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transcript.whisperx[2675].text 他拍拍屁股辭職之後就毫不追究
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transcript.whisperx[2676].text 您對於像這樣子的做法您認同嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2677].text 好 我先說明一個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2678].text 就是說我們的公務車使用
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transcript.whisperx[2679].text 跟立法院立法委員的公務車使用是不同的
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transcript.whisperx[2680].text 從我能夠有限的收集到107年到114年
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transcript.whisperx[2681].text 也就是到去年為止
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transcript.whisperx[2682].text 立法院通過的
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transcript.whisperx[2683].text 我們的就是說公務車的使用
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transcript.whisperx[2684].text 在這一個部分預算審查通過的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2685].text 都是首長坐車
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transcript.whisperx[2686].text 那就是說我想我之所以沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[2687].text 跟在擔任立法委員的時候一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2688].text 所使用院內的理髮部
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transcript.whisperx[2689].text 主要的原因是因為監察院
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transcript.whisperx[2690].text 我想這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2691].text 這個委員我想一個時間我有限
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transcript.whisperx[2692].text 我只是要講就是說其實就連監察院
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transcript.whisperx[2693].text 也都認為說你們這樣子的一個
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transcript.whisperx[2694].text 濫用公務車的行為是不當的
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transcript.whisperx[2695].text 那我要講就是我們如果看看
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transcript.whisperx[2696].text 在過去如果說有其他的政府機關的官員
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transcript.whisperx[2697].text 因為濫用公務車都有可能會被判刑
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transcript.whisperx[2698].text 然後被懲處被彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2699].text 對這種案例是非常之多
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transcript.whisperx[2700].text 但是我們相對看看我們監察委員對自己
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transcript.whisperx[2701].text 則是非常的這個寬容寬待
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transcript.whisperx[2702].text 那麼只是促其注意
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transcript.whisperx[2703].text 那甚至對於這個監察院前秘書長李俊義的
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transcript.whisperx[2704].text 這樣子一個帶狗去美容的
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transcript.whisperx[2705].text 送狗去美容的這樣的一個行為
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transcript.whisperx[2706].text 到目前為止都沒有追究
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transcript.whisperx[2707].text 所以本席認為說難怪就是大家會對於
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transcript.whisperx[2710].text 更何況您剛剛講的有關於調查的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2713].text 國家人權委員會的委員
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transcript.whisperx[2714].text 然後就有這樣的藉口
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transcript.whisperx[2715].text 因為畢竟還有其他的委員
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transcript.whisperx[2716].text 也是擔任國家人權委員會的委員
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transcript.whisperx[2718].text 假設您有幸在被提名為
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transcript.whisperx[2719].text 擔任這個監察院副院長的話
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transcript.whisperx[2720].text 我認為說這部分一定要改善的
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transcript.whisperx[2721].text 那當然就是說對像對於這個陳菊院長這種請閉假
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transcript.whisperx[2722].text 不上班超過一年
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transcript.whisperx[2723].text 花費公務事務書餐的情形
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transcript.whisperx[2726].text 她因為她的身體狀況跟我提請假的原因
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transcript.whisperx[2727].text 但是一年超過一年不上班
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transcript.whisperx[2728].text 你用同這樣的做法嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2729].text 您是不是認為說其實連政務人員請假都應該要規範
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transcript.whisperx[2730].text 如何我們居於公務人員並駕的就是說相關的規定
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transcript.whisperx[2731].text 這是合法合規的就是說的方式
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transcript.whisperx[2732].text 至於就是說不應該我想社會有公平
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transcript.whisperx[2733].text 然後在這個部分來說
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transcript.whisperx[2734].text 我想大家社會上面都有公平確實是沒錯
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transcript.whisperx[2735].text 大家都認為說作為一個高官一個政務高官
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transcript.whisperx[2737].text 那麼這個施慰素餐的這樣表現其實大家不能接受
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transcript.whisperx[2738].text 接下來我們再請教王委員就是說
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transcript.whisperx[2739].text 因為這屆的監察委員給國人的印象就是
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transcript.whisperx[2740].text 都是辦一些雞毛蒜皮的小案
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transcript.whisperx[2741].text 譬如說去查這個蘿蔔糕裡面有沒有蘿蔔
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transcript.whisperx[2742].text 而不去查那些眾所矚目的大案
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transcript.whisperx[2743].text 像是這個雞蛋的弊案
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transcript.whisperx[2744].text 疫苗的弊案新竹棒球場的弊案
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transcript.whisperx[2745].text 甚至就是連最近這兩年像竹榮泰
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transcript.whisperx[2746].text 賴清德大法官他們根本就是明顯公然的違法違釋的行徑
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transcript.whisperx[2747].text 然後做出了中華民國行線以來從來沒有過的
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transcript.whisperx[2748].text 這個行政院長可以不附屬法律可以不依法編列預算
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transcript.whisperx[2749].text 大法官可以做成五人判決
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transcript.whisperx[2750].text 賴清德可以不公布法律
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transcript.whisperx[2751].text 像這樣子的一個大案
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transcript.whisperx[2752].text 結果屆然監察院不穩不穩
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transcript.whisperx[2753].text 難怪被人家大家批評說監察院是只打蒼蠅不敢打老虎
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transcript.whisperx[2754].text 那本席要說的是其實這一屆的監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2755].text 讓大家看到的就是基本上已經不是玉石大夫
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transcript.whisperx[2756].text 而更像是綠色政權的保衛隊
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transcript.whisperx[2757].text 那王委員我想這個因為本席基本上之前有提出陳情案
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transcript.whisperx[2758].text 針對竹榮泰的違法失職不附屬法律不依法編列預算有提出陳情案
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transcript.whisperx[2759].text 那麼沒想到這個我們在你們卸任的最後一天我收到監察院給我的回文
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transcript.whisperx[2760].text 那上面非常非常簡單
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transcript.whisperx[2761].text 然後只是說
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transcript.whisperx[2762].text 這個案經本院司法及御政委員會議決議就不予立案調查
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transcript.whisperx[2763].text 那隨著這份公文又附上五頁的會議記錄
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transcript.whisperx[2764].text 而且五頁會議記錄沒有任何的會議理由
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transcript.whisperx[2765].text 所以也就是說我看到這份公文坦白說我很傻眼
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transcript.whisperx[2766].text 為什麼因為即便是一般人民的申請書
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transcript.whisperx[2767].text 訴願書陳述書被駁回或是不予受理
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transcript.whisperx[2768].text 他都還會有理由
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transcript.whisperx[2769].text 還會有一個依據什麼法律的這個規定
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transcript.whisperx[2770].text 所以不予受理或者是被駁回
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transcript.whisperx[2771].text 可是沒想到監察院的這紙公文卻是這麼的粗糙
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transcript.whisperx[2772].text 這麼的草率
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transcript.whisperx[2773].text 這是監察院的作風嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2774].text 與回文的內容的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2775].text 我同意文委員所說的
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transcript.whisperx[2776].text 在這個部分的話我們應該更詳細
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transcript.whisperx[2778].text 至於就是對於不付主的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2779].text 到底就是說是憲法賦予行政院長的職權
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transcript.whisperx[2780].text 不是卓榮泰先生
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transcript.whisperx[2781].text 我知道因為這個我看了
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transcript.whisperx[2782].text 王委員您在回覆國民黨的問卷裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2783].text 其實請聽我說
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transcript.whisperx[2784].text 我是由我們來
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transcript.whisperx[2785].text 是由監察委員來做決定的
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transcript.whisperx[2786].text 也不是監察院決定的
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transcript.whisperx[2787].text 我要再講就是我看了王委員您回覆給國民黨的問卷裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2788].text 其實對於很多的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2789].text 像是行政院長不附屬法律的問題
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transcript.whisperx[2790].text 或是大法官為什麼我可以做成五人違憲的判決
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transcript.whisperx[2791].text 甚至對於像陸配參政這些問題
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transcript.whisperx[2792].text 您基本上的回答都是千篇一律
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transcript.whisperx[2793].text 這都是跟監察院的職權無關
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transcript.whisperx[2794].text 你們不應該先行做處理
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transcript.whisperx[2795].text 應該要尊重其他的這個機關的職權
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transcript.whisperx[2796].text 譬如說應該先透過憲法爭議或行政訴訟爭議去解決
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transcript.whisperx[2797].text 那其實這樣子的一個想法
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transcript.whisperx[2798].text 這樣的一個做法表態
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transcript.whisperx[2799].text 難怪大家會譏笑這個監察院
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transcript.whisperx[2800].text 你們是不是就是基本上只會查像是蘿蔔糕的這種小案
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transcript.whisperx[2801].text 那如果說你們這一群委員又再繼續留任了
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transcript.whisperx[2803].text 你們就可以再去查太陽餅有沒有太陽
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transcript.whisperx[2804].text 牛舌餅有沒有牛舌老婆餅裡面有沒有老婆
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transcript.whisperx[2806].text 這基本上對於人民來講沒有感
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transcript.whisperx[2808].text 在建言時代都還可以彈劾行政院院長
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transcript.whisperx[2809].text 可是我沒有看到這一屆的監察院可以去彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[2810].text 有這個勇氣去彈劾任何的政府高官
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transcript.whisperx[2811].text 也難怪就是這個監察院被大家介紹成為成功院或者是養老
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transcript.whisperx[2812].text 謝謝翁美雲
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transcript.whisperx[2813].text 下一位請蘇巧惠委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[2814].text 好 謝謝主席我們請王貝提名人號
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transcript.whisperx[2815].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[2816].text 好 那王貝提名人您好
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transcript.whisperx[2817].text 我想我先從您剛剛提出的口頭報告
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transcript.whisperx[2818].text 您上面很清楚的一開始就寫到說
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transcript.whisperx[2819].text 監察院是目前憲政體制中重要的監督機關
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transcript.whisperx[2820].text 肩負糾正行政失衡保障人民權益
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transcript.whisperx[2821].text 促進聯能治理與深化人權價值的使命
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transcript.whisperx[2822].text 所以我想先請教您
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transcript.whisperx[2823].text 在我們這樣第六屆就是您擔任過監察委員的這一屆當中
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transcript.whisperx[2824].text 整整六年的時間
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transcript.whisperx[2825].text 在人民懲刑案件彈劾案件
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transcript.whisperx[2826].text 糾正案件調查報告的部分成果
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transcript.whisperx[2827].text 有哪一些成果
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transcript.whisperx[2828].text 你認為有成果嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2829].text 因為剛剛被講的一文不值嘛
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transcript.whisperx[2830].text 我想這幾個部分來講
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transcript.whisperx[2831].text 第一個部分的話是民眾懲刑的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2832].text 也就是說我們在這個裡面我們的糾正糾舉彈劾等等的就是說這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2833].text 事實上並不如外界
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transcript.whisperx[2834].text 剛剛院長被提名人在口頭報告乃至於回答委員的問裡面的話
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transcript.whisperx[2835].text 都有就是說表示
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transcript.whisperx[2836].text 裡面有很多的就是說情況跟我們的就是說作為乃至於績效的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2837].text 外界說沒有辦法完全的知道
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transcript.whisperx[2838].text 那我想這個是監察院應該要做的就是說改進跟進步調整的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2839].text 我想就是說案件的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2840].text 我們對於高階的文官的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2841].text 我們的彈劾案件的話
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transcript.whisperx[2842].text 事實上有125件
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transcript.whisperx[2843].text 到去年底為止
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transcript.whisperx[2844].text 這個部分的話我還沒有
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transcript.whisperx[2845].text 監察院還沒有就是說相關的統計報告
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transcript.whisperx[2846].text 在這裡面的話涉及的人數有205人
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transcript.whisperx[2847].text 我們在就是說裁罰包括陽光司法的裁罰案件
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transcript.whisperx[2848].text 一共就是有600件
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transcript.whisperx[2849].text 那在這樣子的就是說情況裡面
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transcript.whisperx[2850].text 從數量上面來講
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transcript.whisperx[2851].text 然後還有彈劾的就是說未接我們到政務委員
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transcript.whisperx[2852].text 等等就是說這一些的情況
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transcript.whisperx[2854].text 我們也達到就是說在韓國改正糾正的的話
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transcript.whisperx[2855].text 就是說有1600多件
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transcript.whisperx[2856].text 所以從數量上來講其實是相當的多
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transcript.whisperx[2857].text 因為我這個我從看到你們的概況統計上面來講
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transcript.whisperx[2858].text 一直到2016年的6月的話
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transcript.whisperx[2859].text 你們搜索人民書狀是有甚至9萬1000件
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transcript.whisperx[2860].text 那彈劾案件糾正案件就如同您剛剛說的
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transcript.whisperx[2861].text 事實上數量是蠻多的
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transcript.whisperx[2862].text 那在案件的本身當中
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transcript.whisperx[2863].text 不管是曾經說到了政務委員的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2864].text 或者類型的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2865].text 也是有各種各式各樣的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[2866].text 我坦白講我的立場其實還是是一致的
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transcript.whisperx[2867].text 跟我們的立場過去長期一貫主張是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2868].text 我們認為其實不需要有監察院跟考試院
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transcript.whisperx[2869].text 但是我們是就憲政體制五權或三權的分立
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transcript.whisperx[2870].text 在做討論在做爭辯
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transcript.whisperx[2871].text 但對於這一些調查的部分彈劾的部分等等
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transcript.whisperx[2872].text 這一些事務要不要有人來處理
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transcript.whisperx[2873].text 是不是要能夠接受人民的懲情
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transcript.whisperx[2874].text 以至於能夠促進聯能治理
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transcript.whisperx[2875].text 糾正行政失衡等等
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transcript.whisperx[2876].text 這些項目我還是認為應該要有人做
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transcript.whisperx[2877].text 所以我們是對憲政體制有不同的看法
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transcript.whisperx[2878].text 有不同的看法到底五權還是三權
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transcript.whisperx[2879].text 所以我們主張三權的認為要廢考監
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transcript.whisperx[2880].text 這個我的立場始終一貫
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transcript.whisperx[2881].text 但我也主張在現在國家體制還沒有變更之前
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transcript.whisperx[2882].text 確實我們就是讓監察院要能夠擔負這樣的任務
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transcript.whisperx[2883].text 所以今天在這裡跟您就教的部分
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transcript.whisperx[2884].text 其實我也是認為以王備提名為您過去的資歷等等
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transcript.whisperx[2885].text 我相信如果能夠順利通過提名
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transcript.whisperx[2886].text 一定能夠讓這一屆的監察院能夠再有所施展
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transcript.whisperx[2887].text 並且著重我個人期待
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transcript.whisperx[2888].text 我最期待的部分其實是您也提到的
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transcript.whisperx[2889].text 從個案的調查
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transcript.whisperx[2890].text 一直到變成是整體制度的完善
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transcript.whisperx[2891].text 這個部分我其實是最希望監察院能夠完成的
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transcript.whisperx[2892].text 因為一旦能夠完成個案調查
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transcript.whisperx[2893].text 變成是整體通案的改善
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transcript.whisperx[2894].text 其實您剛剛說的糾正行政失衡到保障人品權
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transcript.whisperx[2895].text 所有的都包括了
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transcript.whisperx[2896].text 我們在地方上面碰到的一個例子
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transcript.whisperx[2897].text 因為剛好跟您個人跟監察委員王榮章委員
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transcript.whisperx[2898].text 其實是有關聯性的
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transcript.whisperx[2899].text 那就是在英哥國中發生的一個案例
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transcript.whisperx[2900].text 英哥國中大家可能不知道
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transcript.whisperx[2901].text 因為他的校舍是分期分階段建置的
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transcript.whisperx[2902].text 所以每一個每一棟的樓層高低其實不太一樣
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transcript.whisperx[2903].text 所以棟和棟之間最後雖然相連了
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transcript.whisperx[2904].text 但是落差很大
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transcript.whisperx[2905].text 所以如果是身障者的學生的話
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transcript.whisperx[2906].text 其實是沒有辦法在棟和棟之間直接安全的順暢的行走
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transcript.whisperx[2907].text 所以變成學生他甚至沒有辦法在高樓層上課之餘
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transcript.whisperx[2908].text 他也沒有辦法移動到其他的科任教室去
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transcript.whisperx[2909].text 所以我們長期在爭取幫英哥國中配置無障礙電梯
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transcript.whisperx[2910].text 那我們也很高興在2022年3月的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2911].text 教育部核可了
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transcript.whisperx[2912].text 可是在核可三個月之後
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transcript.whisperx[2913].text 我們發現有一個單位也做了同樣的調查
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transcript.whisperx[2914].text 那個調查其實就是來自於監察委員王榮章
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transcript.whisperx[2915].text 王委員您不但做了調查
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transcript.whisperx[2916].text 而且您把我們從英哥國中的個案
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transcript.whisperx[2917].text 甚至最後推行到要求教育部要整體的實施
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transcript.whisperx[2918].text 這樣子的細部規程
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transcript.whisperx[2919].text 委員可以請你跟我們分享一下當時你的想法
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transcript.whisperx[2920].text 還有未來如果已您通過了
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transcript.whisperx[2921].text 可以再度成為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[2922].text 甚至是副院長的話
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transcript.whisperx[2923].text 從個案的調查到制度改善
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transcript.whisperx[2924].text 你會做怎麼樣的改進或推動
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transcript.whisperx[2926].text 英哥國中因為學校的無障礙不足
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transcript.whisperx[2927].text 然後在這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2928].text 對於障礙學生入學在這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2929].text 有所推遲
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transcript.whisperx[2930].text 所以我立案調查了這一個案件
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transcript.whisperx[2931].text 這個案件裡面就是說發現到
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transcript.whisperx[2932].text 我們過去在於無障礙的
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transcript.whisperx[2933].text 這是學生跟你陳情嗎
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transcript.whisperx[2934].text 是就是說在這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2935].text 我們也就是說主動跟當時的學生
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transcript.whisperx[2936].text 然後跟家長來做聯繫
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transcript.whisperx[2937].text 在這裡面的話
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transcript.whisperx[2938].text 我們也看到過去的很多的無障礙環境的要求
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transcript.whisperx[2939].text 是單獨的一棟校舍
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transcript.whisperx[2940].text 單獨的校舍
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transcript.whisperx[2941].text 單獨的理堂
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transcript.whisperx[2942].text 單獨的德國
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transcript.whisperx[2943].text 但在中間能不能夠連貫
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transcript.whisperx[2944].text 在這個部分沒有要求
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transcript.whisperx[2945].text 所以我們經過這個個案的要求之後的話
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transcript.whisperx[2946].text 然後要求教育部來做改善
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transcript.whisperx[2947].text 教育部也藉由這樣子的一個案件
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transcript.whisperx[2948].text 等等的就是說檢討
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transcript.whisperx[2949].text 在經費的這個部分的話做管理
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transcript.whisperx[2950].text 特別就是說在發布改善的指引
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transcript.whisperx[2951].text 在高中以下的就是說校園
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transcript.whisperx[2952].text 無障礙的這一個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2953].text 同時更重要的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2954].text 必須配合不同學齡階段的障礙者
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transcript.whisperx[2955].text 他的體型跟身高
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transcript.whisperx[2956].text 因為在這個過程裡面我們也發現到
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transcript.whisperx[2957].text 學校裡面好不容易無障礙廁所做好了之後
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transcript.whisperx[2958].text 但是他是國小高年級的學生
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transcript.whisperx[2959].text 按照一般成年的就是說標準
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transcript.whisperx[2960].text 做好了的廁所他沒有辦法使用
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transcript.whisperx[2961].text 在這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[2962].text 我們也在中央巡查的時候
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transcript.whisperx[2963].text 尤其是我們蘇貞昌前院長
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transcript.whisperx[2964].text 只是要求就是說做全國性的就是說檢討
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transcript.whisperx[2965].text 在這個部分的話根據不同年級
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transcript.whisperx[2966].text 應該要有不同設施的標準等等來進行
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transcript.whisperx[2968].text 是所以我其實是從這件個案
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transcript.whisperx[2969].text 因為當時我確實是身為區域的委員
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transcript.whisperx[2970].text 我們看重的就是把這棟學校這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[2971].text 這個學生的問題解決掉了
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transcript.whisperx[2972].text 那當然我們也可以繼續
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transcript.whisperx[2973].text 但是你快我們一步
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transcript.whisperx[2974].text 你確實是提出了整體的這樣子的要求之後
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transcript.whisperx[2975].text 教育部在2024年完成了全國性的校園
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transcript.whisperx[2977].text 那我想現在這個部分我們不但編列預算
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transcript.whisperx[2978].text 也跟地方政府來合作
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transcript.whisperx[2979].text 改善校園的無障礙設施
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transcript.whisperx[2980].text 我想這確實就是有成績的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[2981].text 所以我們是很希望說
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transcript.whisperx[2982].text 如果監察院在現在國家體制沒有調整之下
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transcript.whisperx[2983].text 那麼他還是應該要能夠接受人民的陳情
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transcript.whisperx[2984].text 然後去糾正行政的缺失
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transcript.whisperx[2985].text 把這一塊的工作端附起來
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transcript.whisperx[2986].text 最好還能夠促成像這樣的案件
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transcript.whisperx[2987].text 變成是有制度性的改善
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transcript.whisperx[2988].text 這是我們對監察院的期許
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transcript.whisperx[2989].text 那再來的話
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transcript.whisperx[2990].text 也是希望這個
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transcript.whisperx[2991].text 因為王委員你這邊比較特別的狀況是
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transcript.whisperx[2992].text 大家都知道您在人權委員會之間的貢獻著力是相當的深厚
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transcript.whisperx[2993].text 所以你可不可以再跟我們說明一下
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transcript.whisperx[2994].text 如果是未來呢
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transcript.whisperx[2995].text 未來您在監察院和人權會之間的工作分配
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transcript.whisperx[2996].text 這個專注力會是一個什麼樣的態度
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transcript.whisperx[2998].text 一共27名委員
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transcript.whisperx[2999].text 在人權會的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3000].text 包括院長當然主任委員之外的話
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transcript.whisperx[3001].text 一共有10名的就職委員
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transcript.whisperx[3003].text 要求我們的人權委員應該是專職工作
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transcript.whisperx[3004].text 所以我想我會繼續秉持在上一屆
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transcript.whisperx[3005].text 上一屆的
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transcript.whisperx[3007].text 我會投入最多的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3008].text 會在人權事務的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3009].text 那對於就是說當然就是法律授予我們的權利或者是責任
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transcript.whisperx[3011].text 那我在適度的來做調整
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transcript.whisperx[3012].text 那這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3013].text 好謝謝蘇委員
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transcript.whisperx[3014].text 現在請林佩祥委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3015].text 好謝謝主席還有我們在場的同仁跟我們王榮章先生
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transcript.whisperx[3016].text 今天審查王榮章先生的資格
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transcript.whisperx[3017].text 我想跟其他的提名人有一點不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[3018].text 因為您不是第一次來監察院
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transcript.whisperx[3020].text 當過民進黨的部分區立法委員
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transcript.whisperx[3022].text 今天總統再次提名您
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transcript.whisperx[3023].text 而且不是續聘
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transcript.whisperx[3024].text 是準備升官當副院長
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transcript.whisperx[3025].text 所以今天我們不能只看說您的履歷漂不漂亮
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transcript.whisperx[3026].text 而是要看您的程序單合不合格
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transcript.whisperx[3027].text 那我就要從幾個大方向來請教您
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transcript.whisperx[3028].text 王先生您長期投入社會運動
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transcript.whisperx[3029].text 關心財稅改革身心障礙者的權益
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transcript.whisperx[3030].text 我在這邊必須要說
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transcript.whisperx[3031].text 這些經歷都值得大家的尊重
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transcript.whisperx[3032].text 民主社會需要有人幫弱勢發聲
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transcript.whisperx[3039].text 必須要依照憲法、法律跟市政來辦事
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transcript.whisperx[3041].text 您自己認為過去六年
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transcript.whisperx[3042].text 有沒有完全做到超越自己本來的政治跟社會運動立場
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transcript.whisperx[3043].text 甚至這樣講
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transcript.whisperx[3044].text 請您直接告訴我
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transcript.whisperx[3045].text 過去六年有哪一個具體案件
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transcript.whisperx[3046].text 是您調查的對象、結果、甚至結論
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transcript.whisperx[3047].text 與您本來的政治立場是不同的
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transcript.whisperx[3049].text 請你舉出一個最具代表性的例子
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transcript.whisperx[3050].text 我想
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transcript.whisperx[3052].text 只是在案件的調查
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transcript.whisperx[3053].text 我剛剛也跟委員報告
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transcript.whisperx[3055].text 歷史不多
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transcript.whisperx[3056].text 我一共只有30案件
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transcript.whisperx[3057].text 一件的調查案件
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transcript.whisperx[3059].text 要我特別舉出來
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transcript.whisperx[3061].text 這一個部分有所不同
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transcript.whisperx[3076].text 他的任用機關有相關的責任
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transcript.whisperx[3079].text 同仁就推派我來做這樣子的案件的調查
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transcript.whisperx[3084].text 很多人原來認為
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transcript.whisperx[3086].text 我們當然會規則於用人機關
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transcript.whisperx[3090].text 在調查過程裡面還原了事實真相這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3092].text 也請他負起責任
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transcript.whisperx[3093].text 然後也讓家屬能夠清楚明白事實的真相
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transcript.whisperx[3094].text 王先生為什麼我特地要提這一個
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transcript.whisperx[3095].text 因為全國民眾都想要知道說
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transcript.whisperx[3096].text 王榮章進了清察院之後
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transcript.whisperx[3099].text 拿起憲法還是只是把旗子帶進監察院
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transcript.whisperx[3100].text 這是兩件完全不同的事情
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transcript.whisperx[3103].text 那這當然不是原罪
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transcript.whisperx[3104].text 但是監察委員的法律要求
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transcript.whisperx[3105].text 就是必須要超出黨派保持中立
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transcript.whisperx[3106].text 很有意思的您自己在書面答覆裡面也承認
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transcript.whisperx[3107].text 監察院現在的滿意度低
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transcript.whisperx[3108].text 其中一個核心原因
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transcript.whisperx[3109].text 就是提名制度引起政治疑慮
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transcript.whisperx[3110].text 以及重大施政弊案查辦時
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transcript.whisperx[3111].text 為輔仁民期待
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transcript.whisperx[3112].text 這是您自己寫的
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transcript.whisperx[3113].text 所以我要順著您的答案來問
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transcript.whisperx[3114].text 那既然您知道人民有這個疑慮
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transcript.whisperx[3115].text 請問你過去六年
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transcript.whisperx[3116].text 有沒有主動調查民進黨政府的重大政策
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transcript.whisperx[3117].text 或重大行政為師
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transcript.whisperx[3118].text 請問你有沒有主導參與
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transcript.whisperx[3119].text 而且最後真的產生實質的糾正效果
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transcript.whisperx[3120].text 糾舉或彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[3123].text 我確實有辦理過相關的案件
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transcript.whisperx[3124].text 這裡面包括我們的國防部
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transcript.whisperx[3126].text 對於已署的醫次金的部分執行
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transcript.whisperx[3127].text 從84年一直挫到民國110年
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transcript.whisperx[3129].text 我提出六位軍官的彈劾工作
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transcript.whisperx[3132].text 我提出相關的糾正
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transcript.whisperx[3135].text 對於身障礙的相關的基金的運用
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transcript.whisperx[3137].text 不當的使用我也提出相關的糾正
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transcript.whisperx[3140].text 您會不會查、敢不敢查
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transcript.whisperx[3141].text 我想這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[3143].text 處理風險機關的責任
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transcript.whisperx[3144].text 這裡面的話
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transcript.whisperx[3145].text 不管政黨、我個人的這個部分也是如此
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transcript.whisperx[3147].text 或我對個人的要求
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transcript.whisperx[3148].text 這裡面不論政黨的顏色背景
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transcript.whisperx[3149].text 證據到哪裡,查到哪裡,辦到哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[3153].text 其實您的問卷回答裡面也有
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transcript.whisperx[3155].text 尤其是在在野黨的委員們
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transcript.whisperx[3156].text 都有一樣的疑惑
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transcript.whisperx[3157].text 就是行政院長拒絕附屬立法院三讀通過的法案
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transcript.whisperx[3164].text 都說這是政治問題
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transcript.whisperx[3165].text 什麼都說等法院判
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transcript.whisperx[3166].text 最後面監察院會不會變成一個大型的轉接中心
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transcript.whisperx[3167].text 能轉法院就轉法院
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transcript.whisperx[3168].text 能等釋憲就等釋憲
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transcript.whisperx[3169].text 那人民會直覺地去問人為說
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transcript.whisperx[3170].text 我們要這個監察院拿來幹嘛呢
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transcript.whisperx[3173].text 監察院的者在於公務人員或者公家機關
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transcript.whisperx[3175].text 應作為而不作為的就是說情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[3176].text 我們可以行使監察權
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transcript.whisperx[3178].text 適用的爭議
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transcript.whisperx[3183].text 這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3184].text 到底就是說是不是
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transcript.whisperx[3188].text 剛剛我們院長提名
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transcript.whisperx[3189].text 被提名人也做過了相關的就是說明
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transcript.whisperx[3192].text 也沒有辦法強加作為
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transcript.whisperx[3194].text 其實剛剛這一題最後這一題其實剛剛也有不少
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transcript.whisperx[3195].text 您自己也曾經講過就是
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transcript.whisperx[3197].text 那你目前公開統計來看
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transcript.whisperx[3198].text 來看您的調查報告參與數是25件
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transcript.whisperx[3199].text 第二少的監察委員是31
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transcript.whisperx[3200].text 那第二少是76件
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transcript.whisperx[3203].text 您的糾正案是6件
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transcript.whisperx[3204].text 倒數第二反而是20件
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transcript.whisperx[3211].text 為什麼您的核心監察業務參見數
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transcript.whisperx[3214].text 還是您投入國家人權委員會工作
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transcript.whisperx[3215].text 還是您本來的工作分配就不同
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transcript.whisperx[3218].text 一個是監察委員兼國家人權委員會委員
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transcript.whisperx[3220].text 國家人權委員會的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3227].text 低度參與
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transcript.whisperx[3231].text 監察委員的監委可以低度參與監察質詢的工作
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transcript.whisperx[3232].text 可是這樣對於一個未來的副院長
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transcript.whisperx[3233].text 其實這個樣子的態度
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transcript.whisperx[3235].text 謝謝林委員
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transcript.whisperx[3236].text 下一位我們請賴世保委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3237].text 謝謝主席江副院長
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transcript.whisperx[3238].text 以及各位先進
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transcript.whisperx[3239].text 還有我們的監察院副院長被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[3240].text 王先生吧
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transcript.whisperx[3241].text 以及各位先進大家早安大家好
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transcript.whisperx[3242].text 這個你我是同事
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transcript.whisperx[3243].text 在立法院財政委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3244].text 我們那時候老實講我對你蠻欣賞的
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transcript.whisperx[3245].text 你堅持著公平正義
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transcript.whisperx[3246].text 雖然你是民進黨的不溫區
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transcript.whisperx[3247].text 你敢放炮
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transcript.whisperx[3248].text 可是你進到監察院以後
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transcript.whisperx[3249].text 你給我鬧
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transcript.whisperx[3250].text 最混的監委
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transcript.whisperx[3251].text 最冷酷的監委
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transcript.whisperx[3252].text 最聽話的監委聽誰的聽行政院的
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transcript.whisperx[3253].text 你卻很猛狀
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transcript.whisperx[3254].text 代表
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transcript.whisperx[3255].text 徹底的把監察院內閣化
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transcript.whisperx[3256].text 把自我矮化
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transcript.whisperx[3257].text 還沒讓你講你先不要講
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transcript.whisperx[3258].text 把監察院
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transcript.whisperx[3259].text 住嘴
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transcript.whisperx[3260].text 變成行政院的監察局
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transcript.whisperx[3261].text 你現在來看他大家統計啦
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transcript.whisperx[3262].text 六件糾正案
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transcript.whisperx[3263].text 二十五件的整個
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transcript.whisperx[3264].text 掉槽
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transcript.whisperx[3265].text 這樣陳菊你怎麼好意思說你要接受
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transcript.whisperx[3267].text 又再生肝啊
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transcript.whisperx[3268].text 這怎麼好意思
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transcript.whisperx[3269].text 如果我是你啊
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transcript.whisperx[3270].text 羞慘的
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transcript.whisperx[3271].text 他為什麼提名你
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transcript.whisperx[3272].text 就簡單啊
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transcript.whisperx[3273].text 因為你的成績最爛
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transcript.whisperx[3274].text 他就提名一個最爛的
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transcript.whisperx[3275].text 讓我們來砍
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transcript.whisperx[3276].text 順勢的把監察院廢掉
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transcript.whisperx[3277].text 所以王龍中是指標人物啊
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transcript.whisperx[3278].text 你成績最爛
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transcript.whisperx[3279].text 所有的監委裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3280].text 二十幾個監委裡面你成績最爛
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transcript.whisperx[3281].text 然後呢你剛剛講的什麼什麼國務部
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transcript.whisperx[3282].text 那種不同不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[3283].text 對於行政院貴黨民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[3284].text 的這些高官你捧都不敢捧
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transcript.whisperx[3285].text 你捧都
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transcript.whisperx[3286].text 高端的事件
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transcript.whisperx[3287].text 2021年3加11爆發
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transcript.whisperx[3288].text 到現在為止機會紀錄也沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3289].text 說有監委提出來
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transcript.whisperx[3290].text 要約談陳時中
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transcript.whisperx[3291].text 這個委員就沒有你啊
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transcript.whisperx[3292].text 有誰呢?我再提名你給他表揚一下
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transcript.whisperx[3293].text 敢提出來的
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transcript.whisperx[3294].text 普宗臣林立雄
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transcript.whisperx[3295].text 王立龍
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transcript.whisperx[3296].text 蕭志祐
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transcript.whisperx[3297].text 王又隆
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transcript.whisperx[3298].text 以及
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transcript.whisperx[3299].text 你沒命
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transcript.whisperx[3300].text 沒有你啊
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transcript.whisperx[3301].text 好你最關心的藍權
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transcript.whisperx[3302].text 人他那份
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transcript.whisperx[3303].text 赤路人赤路的方向去調查
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transcript.whisperx[3304].text 高端的事情
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transcript.whisperx[3305].text 結果人權的東西就是王又隆跟林美怡
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transcript.whisperx[3306].text 也沒有王龍章啊
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transcript.whisperx[3307].text 這社會多麼重大的
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transcript.whisperx[3308].text 高端事情
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transcript.whisperx[3309].text 你可以看到陳時中最近在講這些武術善得
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transcript.whisperx[3310].text 順利
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transcript.whisperx[3311].text 咿嚕
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transcript.whisperx[3312].text 裡面掮客的弊端
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transcript.whisperx[3313].text 那是一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[3314].text 跟陳時中那時候
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transcript.whisperx[3315].text 百般的阻撓
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transcript.whisperx[3316].text 讓疫苗進來就是護著大家打高端
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transcript.whisperx[3317].text 你現在高端鬧事
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transcript.whisperx[3318].text 你是不是要我回答
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transcript.whisperx[3319].text 不要急不要急
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transcript.whisperx[3320].text 我會讓你講喔
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transcript.whisperx[3321].text 2021年
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transcript.whisperx[3322].text 因為這樣一路把高端的股票炒到417塊
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transcript.whisperx[3323].text 現在高端的股票50塊左右
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transcript.whisperx[3324].text 中伏
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transcript.whisperx[3325].text 總共40增發了600億多
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transcript.whisperx[3326].text 受害的人是萬人左右
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transcript.whisperx[3327].text 也是人權問題啊
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transcript.whisperx[3328].text 這個經濟問題這裡面炒
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transcript.whisperx[3329].text 沒有看到王龍章那個一丁點
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transcript.whisperx[3330].text 再來也看到潮濕雞蛋
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transcript.whisperx[3331].text 離譜的一套武毒你也都沒有動身色
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transcript.whisperx[3332].text 光電弊案你也都沒有動
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transcript.whisperx[3333].text 所以這個監委啊
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transcript.whisperx[3334].text 老實講啊
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transcript.whisperx[3335].text 這不是你而已啦
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transcript.whisperx[3336].text 就是整個監察院是爛掉的
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transcript.whisperx[3337].text 監察院把自己矮化成為行政院的監察局
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transcript.whisperx[3338].text 然後這幾個立委要約談陳時中
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transcript.whisperx[3339].text 被蘇貞昌吼下去
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transcript.whisperx[3340].text 大家都丟棄啦
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transcript.whisperx[3341].text 到現在為止沒有人敢講話
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transcript.whisperx[3342].text 包括你在內
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transcript.whisperx[3343].text 一句都不肯請問高端事情你有肯一句話嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3344].text 一句話沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[3345].text 王龍章這個監委啊
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transcript.whisperx[3346].text 你一句話都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3347].text 我就想到說
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transcript.whisperx[3348].text 這是我認識的王龍章嗎
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transcript.whisperx[3349].text 已經在參議會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3350].text 變彭喬啊
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transcript.whisperx[3351].text 還敢講這個講那個
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transcript.whisperx[3352].text 監委歸說啊
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transcript.whisperx[3353].text 一路歸說到底
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transcript.whisperx[3354].text
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transcript.whisperx[3355].text 只有一件彈劾案
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transcript.whisperx[3356].text 一年不到一件
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transcript.whisperx[3357].text 只有六件糾正案
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transcript.whisperx[3358].text 包括你剛剛講的國防部
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transcript.whisperx[3359].text 一年一件
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transcript.whisperx[3360].text 你這官有夠好做啊
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transcript.whisperx[3361].text 還有有辦法說
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transcript.whisperx[3362].text 我就不要人家你失德了
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transcript.whisperx[3363].text 你用溝通車去洗你的愛狗
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transcript.whisperx[3364].text 這個我就不談了
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transcript.whisperx[3365].text 我跟你談政策的東西
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transcript.whisperx[3366].text 政策的東西
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transcript.whisperx[3367].text 我先把問題講完
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transcript.whisperx[3368].text 我把問題講完
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transcript.whisperx[3369].text 你回答吧
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transcript.whisperx[3370].text 你為什麼這麼懶惰
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transcript.whisperx[3371].text 這麼混
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transcript.whisperx[3372].text 心血這麼長
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transcript.whisperx[3373].text 你想一下為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[3374].text 好 向賴委員說明
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transcript.whisperx[3375].text 王龍章還是王龍章
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transcript.whisperx[3376].text 在監察院的王龍章
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transcript.whisperx[3377].text 已經是過夜的王龍章了
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transcript.whisperx[3378].text 在立法院的王龍章
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transcript.whisperx[3379].text 是同一個人
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transcript.whisperx[3380].text 我的作法跟我的原則沒有改變
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transcript.whisperx[3381].text 我剛剛回答多位的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3382].text 對於就是說職權的行使的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3384].text 符合國際的要求跟標準
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transcript.whisperx[3385].text 在於人權相關的案件裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3386].text 在人權的工作裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3387].text 人權的就是說工作裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3388].text 你人權的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3389].text 偉大東西沒有啊
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transcript.whisperx[3390].text 你人權有什麼偉大東西
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transcript.whisperx[3392].text 也沒什麼偉大東西啊
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transcript.whisperx[3393].text 我看你老闆娘
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transcript.whisperx[3394].text 國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3395].text 人權來講你沒有什麼東西拿出來啊
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transcript.whisperx[3396].text 我剛剛在口頭報告裡面
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transcript.whisperx[3397].text 有做了相關的說明
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transcript.whisperx[3398].text 國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3399].text 在第一屆是一個新設的機關
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transcript.whisperx[3400].text 不要講你今天講業務次三
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transcript.whisperx[3401].text 你就回答我
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transcript.whisperx[3402].text 你回答我
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transcript.whisperx[3403].text 委員你不需要我說明
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transcript.whisperx[3407].text 然後就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3408].text 還有一個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[3413].text 你不要給我論時間
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transcript.whisperx[3414].text 你現在互相互和的時間不行
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transcript.whisperx[3420].text 只有建議權
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transcript.whisperx[3421].text 建議權沒有建議權
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transcript.whisperx[3422].text 談和
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transcript.whisperx[3423].text 光指在亞太地區的這個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[3424].text 我提出了兩百多項
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transcript.whisperx[3425].text 對於行政
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transcript.whisperx[3426].text 就是說我們行政部門的就是說做法
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transcript.whisperx[3427].text 不同的意見
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transcript.whisperx[3429].text 我提出了兩百多項
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transcript.whisperx[3430].text 你現在用教科書的事物
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transcript.whisperx[3432].text 就是說才是事實
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transcript.whisperx[3434].text 都不予採認的話
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transcript.whisperx[3436].text 的話是沒有辦法到就是說真相的成就
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transcript.whisperx[3437].text 你沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[3439].text 王委員好了
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transcript.whisperx[3440].text 可以了
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transcript.whisperx[3441].text 因為你都用教科書來給我
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transcript.whisperx[3442].text 讓我有的時間
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transcript.whisperx[3443].text 大家最矚目的
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transcript.whisperx[3444].text 時間應該是我們共有的
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transcript.whisperx[3445].text 最矚目的勞動物的
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transcript.whisperx[3446].text 長官罷領部下你有沒有參與人權問題
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transcript.whisperx[3450].text 最多只能夠有三個委員參與
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transcript.whisperx[3453].text 這個部分有關於就是說調查的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3455].text 不是我在這個三任委員的工作的就是說重新
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transcript.whisperx[3456].text 王委員
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transcript.whisperx[3457].text 如果只有認為您關心的議題
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transcript.whisperx[3459].text 那其他的人權
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transcript.whisperx[3460].text 社會關心
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transcript.whisperx[3462].text 就是說人權的議題不重要的話
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transcript.whisperx[3464].text 官員的罷領
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transcript.whisperx[3465].text 我也沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[3466].text 就是說我只能夠就是說尊重您個人的意見
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transcript.whisperx[3467].text 你回答的問題都沒辦法說服我了
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transcript.whisperx[3468].text 你是
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transcript.whisperx[3469].text 既下最差
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transcript.whisperx[3471].text 我當然沒有辦法說服你
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transcript.whisperx[3472].text 對擺爛的一個節目
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transcript.whisperx[3473].text 我不接受
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transcript.whisperx[3474].text 那我就告訴你
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transcript.whisperx[3475].text 這個部分可受社會公平
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transcript.whisperx[3476].text 所以您這樣子的指責跟指控我不接受
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transcript.whisperx[3477].text 你們偶爾來講
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transcript.whisperx[3478].text 監委都是很混的
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transcript.whisperx[3479].text 因為績效都非常差
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transcript.whisperx[3480].text 委員講的這樣子的評論是不公平
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transcript.whisperx[3481].text 是不正確的
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transcript.whisperx[3482].text 停了請先停
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transcript.whisperx[3483].text 我給你念給你聽
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transcript.whisperx[3484].text 第六屆總共人民申請的案件
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transcript.whisperx[3485].text 八點六案件
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transcript.whisperx[3486].text 第六屆就這一屆你這一屆
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transcript.whisperx[3488].text 九中案481
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transcript.whisperx[3489].text 彈劾案125
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transcript.whisperx[3490].text 第五屆人民請願八點六案件
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transcript.whisperx[3491].text 結果第五屆糾正966
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transcript.whisperx[3493].text 貪污
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transcript.whisperx[3494].text 就績效越來越差
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transcript.whisperx[3495].text 王老五過年一年不如一年
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transcript.whisperx[3496].text 你們的監委不是只有你而已
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transcript.whisperx[3497].text 所有的監委都在混
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transcript.whisperx[3498].text 檢察院真的可以廢掉
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transcript.whisperx[3501].text 這不是公平的
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transcript.whisperx[3502].text 怎麼不公平奇怪
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transcript.whisperx[3503].text 然後我想委員也應該會同意
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transcript.whisperx[3504].text 在立法院提案最多的
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transcript.whisperx[3505].text 立法案件的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3506].text 不一定是最優秀的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3507].text 同樣的我在之前查過
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transcript.whisperx[3508].end 11437.19
transcript.whisperx[3508].text 所以你最優秀的監委是不是
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transcript.whisperx[3509].text 去年一共有483件
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transcript.whisperx[3510].text 但是就是說在這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3511].text 委員會就是說陳案的
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transcript.whisperx[3512].text 一件都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3513].text 你成功的投羅了
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transcript.whisperx[3514].text 實驗我最後一件都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[3515].text 我總結一句話
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transcript.whisperx[3516].text 但是我不認為監察立法院
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transcript.whisperx[3517].text 在這個部分的話是能夠無效的
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transcript.whisperx[3518].text 你用公務書去洗你的愛狗
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transcript.whisperx[3519].end 11462.51
transcript.whisperx[3519].text 私德方面
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transcript.whisperx[3520].text 老實講你不配當監委
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transcript.whisperx[3521].text 第二個
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transcript.whisperx[3522].text 第二個你不配當監委
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transcript.whisperx[3523].text
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transcript.whisperx[3524].text 好 謝謝賴委員
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transcript.whisperx[3525].text 下一位請吳思堯委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3526].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3527].text 謝謝我們的副院長被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[3528].end 11499.92
transcript.whisperx[3528].text 王榮章委員好久不見
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transcript.whisperx[3529].end 11501.92
transcript.whisperx[3529].text 今天時間有限
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transcript.whisperx[3530].end 11502.92
transcript.whisperx[3530].text 只有十分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[3531].text 我想我直接破題
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transcript.whisperx[3532].text 不管立法院行政院憲政機關
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transcript.whisperx[3533].text 都要負憲法的忠誠義務
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transcript.whisperx[3534].text 所以監察院退無可退
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transcript.whisperx[3535].text 這是憲法賦予監察院的責任
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transcript.whisperx[3536].text 同樣的面對立法院的違憲亂政
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transcript.whisperx[3537].text 監察院除了要自救之外
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transcript.whisperx[3538].text 不是只有自救
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transcript.whisperx[3539].text 其實監察院是要救國
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transcript.whisperx[3540].text 因為我們負有憲法忠誠義務
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transcript.whisperx[3541].text 下一頁我們看這個
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transcript.whisperx[3542].text 所以所有的憲政機關平等相違
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transcript.whisperx[3543].text 雖然監委的人事同意權
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transcript.whisperx[3544].text 立法院行事
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transcript.whisperx[3545].text 雖然監察院的預算
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transcript.whisperx[3546].text 是立法院監督審查
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transcript.whisperx[3547].text 但是並不代表立法院比較大
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transcript.whisperx[3548].text 國會優惠並不存在
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transcript.whisperx[3549].text 這是大法官一再的揭示
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transcript.whisperx[3550].text 所以我們很希望
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transcript.whisperx[3551].text 未來立法院跟監察院
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transcript.whisperx[3552].text 跟其他的憲政機關
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transcript.whisperx[3553].text 真的大家平起平坐
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transcript.whisperx[3554].text 互相尊重
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transcript.whisperx[3555].end 11559.24
transcript.whisperx[3555].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3556].text 我今天會聚焦在財政紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3557].text 財政紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3558].text 憲法第70條
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transcript.whisperx[3559].text 預算法第91條
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transcript.whisperx[3560].text 才化法38之1條
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transcript.whisperx[3561].text 以及財政紀律法第5條第7條
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transcript.whisperx[3562].text 都是現在各級政府
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transcript.whisperx[3563].text 包括行政院跟立法院
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transcript.whisperx[3564].text 都要看守行政的
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transcript.whisperx[3565].text 財政紀律的基本原則
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transcript.whisperx[3566].text 不論誰執政
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transcript.whisperx[3567].text 不論藍綠誰當家
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transcript.whisperx[3568].text 都要合憲守法
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transcript.whisperx[3569].text 而這當中的財政紀律法
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transcript.whisperx[3570].text 就是當時您擔任立法院
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transcript.whisperx[3571].text 您主題
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transcript.whisperx[3572].text 您也在財政委員會發揮您的
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transcript.whisperx[3573].text 自身跟專業的影響力
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transcript.whisperx[3574].text 完成了財政紀律法的修訂
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transcript.whisperx[3575].text 也就是我們需要
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transcript.whisperx[3576].text 我強調
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transcript.whisperx[3577].text 不是只規範立法委員
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transcript.whisperx[3578].text 他也規範行政部門
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transcript.whisperx[3579].text 你要新增任何政府支出
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transcript.whisperx[3580].text 你要找出財源
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transcript.whisperx[3581].text 而且現在有財政紀律法的規範
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transcript.whisperx[3582].text 不應當
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transcript.whisperx[3583].text 增訂固定的經費額度
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transcript.whisperx[3584].end 11625.1
transcript.whisperx[3584].text 或是比例保障
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transcript.whisperx[3585].text 因為你要增加2%
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transcript.whisperx[3586].end 11628.1
transcript.whisperx[3586].text 國防增加2%
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transcript.whisperx[3587].text 教育要增加3%
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transcript.whisperx[3588].text 社福要增加5%
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transcript.whisperx[3589].text 對於這種固定經費跟比例
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transcript.whisperx[3590].text 您當時都努力的入法了
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transcript.whisperx[3591].text 各級機關都要來遵守
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transcript.whisperx[3592].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3593].text 所以說這就是現在2019年到現在
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transcript.whisperx[3594].text 朝野共同支持之下的財政紀律法
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transcript.whisperx[3595].text 我再一次強調
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transcript.whisperx[3596].text 不論誰執政都要守法
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transcript.whisperx[3597].text 而且他不只規範立法院不能片面修法
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transcript.whisperx[3598].text 增加政府支出
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transcript.whisperx[3599].text 他包括也要求行政院
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transcript.whisperx[3600].text 你要增加政府的支出
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transcript.whisperx[3601].text 你也要必要的稅事評估
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transcript.whisperx[3602].text 你也要有財源
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transcript.whisperx[3603].text 這才是一套完整可行的財政紀律的法規
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transcript.whisperx[3604].text 我謝謝您當初在立法院我看到您的努力
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transcript.whisperx[3605].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[3606].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3607].text 現在的困境就是立法院不做好立法院的工作
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transcript.whisperx[3608].text 立法院搶當行政院
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transcript.whisperx[3609].text 對於預算權的強害
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transcript.whisperx[3610].text 立法院有三害
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transcript.whisperx[3611].text 第一害就是延宕二砍總預算
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transcript.whisperx[3612].text 造成民生癱瘓造成施政不順
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transcript.whisperx[3613].text 第二害
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transcript.whisperx[3614].text 立法委員片面的不斷去狂提肉桶法案
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transcript.whisperx[3615].text 錢坑法案沒有財源的評估
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transcript.whisperx[3616].text 支出腐爛立委
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transcript.whisperx[3617].text 大家都來當凱子
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transcript.whisperx[3618].text 康國家之凱就是第二害
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transcript.whisperx[3619].text 預算權強害的第三害
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transcript.whisperx[3620].text 就是二修了財化法
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transcript.whisperx[3621].text 把中央的合理財源全部都搬到地方
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transcript.whisperx[3622].text 但沒有事權的統一
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transcript.whisperx[3623].text 這是現在我們面對的困境下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3624].text 所以第一害就是總預算
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transcript.whisperx[3625].text 省第一四年的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3626].text 史上砍最多 凍結最嚴 審查過程最混亂
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transcript.whisperx[3627].text 而現在審查今年的預算 史上脫罪久
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transcript.whisperx[3628].text 很遺憾立法院面對總預算案
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transcript.whisperx[3629].text 不是基於專業 不是基於理性
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transcript.whisperx[3630].text 而只是基於政治報復跟癱瘓執政
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transcript.whisperx[3631].text 我等一下會讓你統合回覆
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transcript.whisperx[3632].text 這是第一害
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transcript.whisperx[3633].text 第二害就是無限多的錢坑法案
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transcript.whisperx[3634].text 我就跳過
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transcript.whisperx[3635].text 這裡是一次性的支出
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transcript.whisperx[3636].text
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transcript.whisperx[3637].text 無法計算經費支出都是腐爛的修法
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transcript.whisperx[3638].text 無限多的錢坑肉桶法案
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transcript.whisperx[3639].text 讓我們的財政陷入了無底洞的困境
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transcript.whisperx[3640].text 最新的就是
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transcript.whisperx[3641].text 未來交互條例
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transcript.whisperx[3642].text 在野黨為了割到尾
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transcript.whisperx[3643].text 沒有明定財源
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transcript.whisperx[3644].text 還要跟中央搶功勞
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transcript.whisperx[3645].text 康國家之楷
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transcript.whisperx[3646].text 這個火速通過的未來帳戶
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transcript.whisperx[3647].text 每年會增加政府支出1900多億
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transcript.whisperx[3648].text 比行政院衡量推出的1800億還要多
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transcript.whisperx[3649].text 這就是立法委員片面增加政府支出
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transcript.whisperx[3650].text 沒有評估財源
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transcript.whisperx[3651].text 沒有評估預算之間的合理分配
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transcript.whisperx[3652].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3653].text 唯一我教育文化委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3654].end 11813.57
transcript.whisperx[3654].text 光這一個會期
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transcript.whisperx[3655].text 藍白委員靜香的提了ABCDE
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transcript.whisperx[3656].text 這麼多個教育法案
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transcript.whisperx[3657].text 凡事要加碼
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transcript.whisperx[3658].text 凡事都免費
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transcript.whisperx[3659].end 11827.32
transcript.whisperx[3659].text 從營養午餐到學費減免
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transcript.whisperx[3660].end 11830.53
transcript.whisperx[3660].text 凡事都免費
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transcript.whisperx[3661].text 立委當楷字
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transcript.whisperx[3662].text 可是要中央全買單
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transcript.whisperx[3663].text 如果以我這個會期教育文化委員會
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transcript.whisperx[3664].end 11838.53
transcript.whisperx[3664].text 再也胡亂加碼
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transcript.whisperx[3665].text 一年至少又增加
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transcript.whisperx[3666].text 國家1638億的支出
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transcript.whisperx[3667].text 所以就是前坑法案
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transcript.whisperx[3668].text 跟總預算的困境
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transcript.whisperx[3669].text 在下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3670].text 第三害就是才華法
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transcript.whisperx[3671].text 才華法
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transcript.whisperx[3672].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3673].text 一年搬走中央4165億
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transcript.whisperx[3674].text 沒有問題
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transcript.whisperx[3675].text 錢下放地方中央也在做
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transcript.whisperx[3676].text 可是分配不正義
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transcript.whisperx[3677].text 事權不同意
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transcript.whisperx[3678].text 財政沒有紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3679].text 相關法規的配套也沒有提出
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transcript.whisperx[3680].text 這些在野黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3681].text 只精算政治的紅利
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transcript.whisperx[3682].text 並不精算財政的紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3683].text 所以我要請您統合回答
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transcript.whisperx[3684].text 第一個也是我的要求
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transcript.whisperx[3685].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3686].text 審計部要獨立行使審計權
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transcript.whisperx[3687].text 對於才華法這種胡亂的中央的錢
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transcript.whisperx[3688].text 大量的灌到地方
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transcript.whisperx[3689].text 地方大撒幣卻沒有財政的紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3690].text 以前監察院審計部就有很多的糾正案
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transcript.whisperx[3691].text 應當嚴格來執行
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transcript.whisperx[3692].text 否則它就是一個大黑洞
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transcript.whisperx[3693].text 它就是一個無底洞
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transcript.whisperx[3694].text 所以因為財政是您的專業
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transcript.whisperx[3695].text 財政紀律法是您當初用心推動
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transcript.whisperx[3696].text 我也很遺憾剛剛在場的賴世寶委員
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transcript.whisperx[3697].text 他當時也是一起力推的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3698].text 只是換了位子換了腦袋的人
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transcript.whisperx[3699].text 應當不是王榮章您
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transcript.whisperx[3700].text 恐怕就是現在在野黨的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3701].text 如賴世寶們
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transcript.whisperx[3702].text 所以說請您總和回答
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transcript.whisperx[3703].text 就財政紀律的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3704].text 我剛剛說的立法院的三害
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transcript.whisperx[3705].text 都會造成執政的不順暢
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transcript.whisperx[3706].text 財政的不紀律
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transcript.whisperx[3707].text 您要怎麼樣擔任副院長之後
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transcript.whisperx[3708].text 協助導政協助中央的地方的財政
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transcript.whisperx[3709].text 都能夠撥亂反正呢
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transcript.whisperx[3710].text 您請快速回答
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transcript.whisperx[3711].text 謝謝吳委員
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transcript.whisperx[3712].text 我想您剛剛說明的這個情況
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transcript.whisperx[3713].text 我想作為財政紀律法
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transcript.whisperx[3714].text 在沒有行政院版本之下
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transcript.whisperx[3715].text 在各位委員的支持之下
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transcript.whisperx[3716].text 通過的財政紀律法
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transcript.whisperx[3717].text 但是目前執行的情況是這樣子的
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transcript.whisperx[3718].text 我想作為提案人
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transcript.whisperx[3719].text 不作為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[3720].text 或者是被提名人的立場
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transcript.whisperx[3721].text 我個人只有無限的遺憾
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transcript.whisperx[3722].text 基於憲政分立的情況
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transcript.whisperx[3723].text 尤其是監察委員權
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transcript.whisperx[3724].text 不及於立法委員的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3725].text 我不能夠做出更詳細的評論
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transcript.whisperx[3726].text 但是我覺得是
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transcript.whisperx[3727].text 我想就現在的情況跟結果來講的話
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transcript.whisperx[3728].text 我想就是說
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transcript.whisperx[3729].text 審計部事實上也是在監察院裡面的獨立機關
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transcript.whisperx[3731].text 其實就是說我們會強力支持他們獨立審計相關的權利
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transcript.whisperx[3732].text 對於執行的結果
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transcript.whisperx[3733].text 執行的績效的這一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3734].text 我想未來如果有機會的話擔任副院長
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transcript.whisperx[3735].text 我一定會相助院長
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transcript.whisperx[3736].text 在這一個部分的話
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transcript.whisperx[3737].text 強力支持審計的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[3738].text 能夠發揮他的功能
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transcript.whisperx[3739].text 其實不只審計權來監督預算執行
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transcript.whisperx[3740].text 監察院也可以就我們監督各級政府
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transcript.whisperx[3741].text 來針對預算不計率的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3742].text 財政不計率的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3743].text 為所當為
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transcript.whisperx[3744].text 好 我最後要問我回到倒數下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3745].text 下一頁
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transcript.whisperx[3746].text 監察權有彈劾權 糾舉權跟糾正權
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transcript.whisperx[3747].text 雖然不能夠對於民意選出的立委來行使職權
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transcript.whisperx[3748].text 但是對於立法院的文官是可以行使相關的權利
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transcript.whisperx[3749].text 這兩年多的立法院的違憲亂政
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transcript.whisperx[3750].text 我很遺憾的講
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transcript.whisperx[3751].text 我們在場的很多文官
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transcript.whisperx[3752].text 無視與立法院相關的法規
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transcript.whisperx[3753].text 其實大法官來下言
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transcript.whisperx[3754].text 大法官解釋14號也很清楚
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transcript.whisperx[3755].text 監察權是可以對於各所屬機關的職員來行使權利
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transcript.whisperx[3756].text 我只是要提醒
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transcript.whisperx[3757].text 過去到現在對於立法院相關的案子調查只有三案
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transcript.whisperx[3758].text 對於這些文官沒有看守
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transcript.whisperx[3759].text 應當依法卻配合著立法院的
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transcript.whisperx[3760].text 法案
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transcript.whisperx[3761].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3762].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3763].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3764].text 監察權對於立法院行使的各項權利
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transcript.whisperx[3765].text 過去到現在只有三個調查案
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transcript.whisperx[3766].text 其中兩案是針對具體有不當事件利益出動的臨襲三權
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transcript.whisperx[3768].text 我們也必須監察
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transcript.whisperx[3769].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3770].text 謝謝吳慧媛
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transcript.whisperx[3771].text 謝謝吳慧媛
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transcript.whisperx[3772].text 報告全院委員會對監察院副院長被提名人王榮章詢答部分
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transcript.whisperx[3773].text 到此為止
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transcript.whisperx[3774].text 謝謝王被提名人列席答詢
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transcript.whisperx[3775].text 下午2點30分繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[3776].text 進行對監察委員被提名人高天惠 張菊芳 張豐義之詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3777].text 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[3778].text 報告全院委員會現在繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[3780].text 審查時
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transcript.whisperx[3783].text 採集問及答方式進行
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transcript.whisperx[3784].text 輪到詢問委員如果不在場 示威棄權
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transcript.whisperx[3786].text 請被提名人高天惠女士說明時間5分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[3787].text 主席
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transcript.whisperx[3788].text 各位
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transcript.whisperx[3789].text 委員先生女士
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transcript.whisperx[3790].text 大家好
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transcript.whisperx[3791].text 我是監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[3792].text 及國家人權委員會被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[3793].text 讓大家馬上高天惠
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transcript.whisperx[3794].text 非常感恩有幸對道願說明
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transcript.whisperx[3795].text 我對監察院委員及人權保障工作的看法
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transcript.whisperx[3796].text 接受各位委員的審查
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transcript.whisperx[3797].text 請不設棄教
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transcript.whisperx[3799].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[3807].text 屬於自由就被充權的機會
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transcript.whisperx[3811].text 同時為世
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transcript.whisperx[3819].text 我風牧為牧師
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transcript.whisperx[3823].text 除了教會內的一個宣教工作
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transcript.whisperx[3825].text 一個價值
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transcript.whisperx[3827].text 透過行動和宣揚
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transcript.whisperx[3829].text 立即信仰核心價值
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transcript.whisperx[3830].text 就是我光懷弱勢的一個非常大的力量
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transcript.whisperx[3831].text 就在1988年
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transcript.whisperx[3833].text 響應了WCC
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transcript.whisperx[3839].text 成立這個婦女光懷工作室
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transcript.whisperx[3841].text 那我最感為興奮的
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transcript.whisperx[3842].text 就是我們
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transcript.whisperx[3844].text 然後我們部落的婦女
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transcript.whisperx[3845].text 他們非常這種願意接受這樣的一個裝備
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transcript.whisperx[3848].text 下山到屏東市
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transcript.whisperx[3849].text 只是一個為了追求
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transcript.whisperx[3852].text 那過去是男性的主義
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transcript.whisperx[3853].text 來詮釋這個聖經
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transcript.whisperx[3854].text 那後來透過我們的學習
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transcript.whisperx[3857].text 得到更好的平衡
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transcript.whisperx[3862].text 然後我們也一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[3863].text 也一樣的深入我們的服務範圍
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transcript.whisperx[3866].text 來接案這個公部門的案件
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transcript.whisperx[3867].text 讓我們跟公部門能夠合作
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transcript.whisperx[3869].text 我們的服務退展到部落
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transcript.whisperx[3873].text 成立了社團法人
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transcript.whisperx[3876].text 開始學習民族政治的一個啟蒙教育
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transcript.whisperx[3877].text 當年我剛好也被聘為
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transcript.whisperx[3880].text 我更廣泛認知到
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transcript.whisperx[3881].text 部落遭到的各種權益
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transcript.whisperx[3882].text 其他的我們以書面好不好
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transcript.whisperx[3883].text 沒有講完的部分我們用書面說明
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transcript.whisperx[3884].text 謝謝高被提名人質說明
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transcript.whisperx[3885].text 現在進行委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3886].text 首先請林委員處英詢問
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transcript.whisperx[3887].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[3888].text 主席有請高被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[3889].text 請高被提名人備詢
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transcript.whisperx[3890].text 拜提名人您好
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transcript.whisperx[3891].text 你好
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transcript.whisperx[3892].text 首次站上這個立法院
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transcript.whisperx[3893].text 可能剛剛您只有五分鐘的時間
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transcript.whisperx[3894].text 那麼
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transcript.whisperx[3896].text 可能想要做的這些想法跟做法
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transcript.whisperx[3897].text 也許時間不夠
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transcript.whisperx[3898].text 所以我想既然我是第一位質詢的
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transcript.whisperx[3899].text 我就想請問您
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transcript.whisperx[3900].text 過去您曾經擔任過總統府的
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transcript.whisperx[3901].text 原住民族歷史正義與轉型正義委員會的委員
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transcript.whisperx[3902].text 而您剛剛也提到了
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transcript.whisperx[3903].text 您本身是一個牧師
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transcript.whisperx[3904].text 長期關注的就是原住民族的權益
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transcript.whisperx[3906].text 如果身為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[3907].text 您認為在原住民族相關的權益
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transcript.whisperx[3908].text 尤其是在您的書面報告
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transcript.whisperx[3909].text 特別提到有關於弱勢部落的維護
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transcript.whisperx[3910].text 那麼您會認為有哪一些部分
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transcript.whisperx[3912].text 會主動去關心了解
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transcript.whisperx[3913].text 甚至於調查的部分
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transcript.whisperx[3914].text 謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[3916].text 如何把我在第一線的服務經驗
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transcript.whisperx[3917].text 能夠轉化為監察的一個專業
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transcript.whisperx[3918].text 這個是我在思考的問題
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transcript.whisperx[3919].text 那我深信這個監察院的專業是一個多元性的
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transcript.whisperx[3920].text 不應該就停在學裡
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transcript.whisperx[3922].text 他也應該包括了第一線的一個服務
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transcript.whisperx[3925].text 然後發現制度問題的能力
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transcript.whisperx[3926].text 那本人長期在屏東部落
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transcript.whisperx[3927].text 從事這個幕會
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transcript.whisperx[3928].text 然後還有社會服務民間的團體
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transcript.whisperx[3929].text 那我常常這樣認為
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transcript.whisperx[3930].text 我用三個面向來在這個地方來做回應
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transcript.whisperx[3931].text 第一個
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transcript.whisperx[3933].text 然後整理
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transcript.whisperx[3934].text 力不足調查案件的前端
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transcript.whisperx[3935].text 過去在部落服務的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3937].text 往往要反覆傾聽
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transcript.whisperx[3938].text 追問才能理清他們真正的困境
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transcript.whisperx[3940].text 當學校被踩拼的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3943].text 又邊緣的在那個地方
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transcript.whisperx[3945].text 怎麼聆聽婦女的一個故事
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transcript.whisperx[3947].text 在這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[3949].text 一個學會聆聽
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transcript.whisperx[3950].text 然後他們的困境轉化為具體的
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transcript.whisperx[3951].text 應該可以對應機關
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transcript.whisperx[3952].text 這個跟這些
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transcript.whisperx[3953].text 資源的提案的能力
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transcript.whisperx[3955].text 決定是否立案調查這邏輯三通
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transcript.whisperx[3956].text 那第二個我也這樣認為
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transcript.whisperx[3957].text 與調查人員能夠分工合作
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transcript.whisperx[3958].text 補足前端不是要取代專業
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transcript.whisperx[3959].text 我非常相信監察院調查這個官
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transcript.whisperx[3960].text 他具備了紮實的一個法律
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transcript.whisperx[3961].text 跟這個行政的一個訓練
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transcript.whisperx[3962].text 擅長依法認定機關的維持
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transcript.whisperx[3965].text 絕對相信我的第一線的一個資料
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transcript.whisperx[3966].text 透過的這個
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transcript.whisperx[3970].text 然後不是僅處於就處其表面而已
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transcript.whisperx[3971].text 所以在我擔任這個
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transcript.whisperx[3973].text 還有這個
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transcript.whisperx[3974].text 處長會的委員的時候
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transcript.whisperx[3975].text 已經有這樣的一個類似的一個經驗
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transcript.whisperx[3979].text 這個都是本人在部落反查
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transcript.whisperx[3980].text 勤聽其老家屬或專家敘述的過程
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transcript.whisperx[3981].text 然後發掘
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transcript.whisperx[3984].text 隨處研究等專業單位進行
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transcript.whisperx[3985].text 正式的調查考證
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transcript.whisperx[3987].text 還原這個歷史真相
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transcript.whisperx[3988].text 平反不但的判決
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transcript.whisperx[3989].text 然後在第一線發掘
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transcript.whisperx[3993].text 建立一個合作的一個模式
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transcript.whisperx[3997].text 定程序查證認定責任
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transcript.whisperx[3999].text 把這個入室族群
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transcript.whisperx[4009].text 查清問題請為第一步
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transcript.whisperx[4011].text 除了使出機關的委事外
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transcript.whisperx[4012].text 應該提出具體可行的改善意見
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transcript.whisperx[4013].text 並追蹤後續任改善情形
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transcript.whisperx[4015].text 酸重功能
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transcript.whisperx[4016].text 好 高級民人
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transcript.whisperx[4018].text 可以看到你確實是真的有備而來
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transcript.whisperx[4020].text 尤其是弱勢的原住民族
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transcript.whisperx[4024].text 會發現說每年人民的請願案
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transcript.whisperx[4025].text 一年就高達了15000件
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transcript.whisperx[4026].text 等於是說一個月當中
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transcript.whisperx[4027].text 大概就將近有1300件
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transcript.whisperx[4028].text 但是我們知道除了人民的請願
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transcript.whisperx[4029].text 關係到人民的權利之外
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transcript.whisperx[4030].text 其實更重要的是
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transcript.whisperx[4032].text 是由監察委員來兼任的
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transcript.whisperx[4033].text 可是他們在今年的7月31號
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transcript.whisperx[4034].text 也就是上個月底就已經戒滿了
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transcript.whisperx[4040].text 台灣要舉行身心障礙者權利公約的
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transcript.whisperx[4045].text 來提出國家級的報告
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transcript.whisperx[4046].text 要交給監察院來做報告的審核
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transcript.whisperx[4047].text 那我們都知道監察院
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transcript.whisperx[4048].text 必須在巴黎公約的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[4050].text 但是如果說現在
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transcript.whisperx[4052].text 空轉甚至於不能說是空轉
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transcript.whisperx[4054].text 剛剛您所說的
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transcript.whisperx[4055].text 所訴求的是要保障弱勢
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transcript.whisperx[4056].text 保障部落權益
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transcript.whisperx[4062].text 那麼未來還可以繼續的
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transcript.whisperx[4064].text 或是原住民族的權利嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4065].text 好的
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transcript.whisperx[4070].text 他們今年在這個國際的審查
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transcript.whisperx[4071].text 這個是一個非常可貴的
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transcript.whisperx[4072].text 是臺灣少數能夠與國際人權體系接軌
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transcript.whisperx[4074].text 非常重要的一個產業
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transcript.whisperx[4076].text 而無法妥善準備報告
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transcript.whisperx[4077].text 然後參與審查對話
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transcript.whisperx[4078].text 或者是提出具體的回應
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transcript.whisperx[4079].text 不僅是會使審查過程
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transcript.whisperx[4080].text 流於形式
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transcript.whisperx[4086].text 鞏固隨不適聯合國會員
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transcript.whisperx[4087].text 但是仍積極
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transcript.whisperx[4088].text 力行公約之努力
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transcript.whisperx[4092].text 偏鄉部落
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transcript.whisperx[4093].text 進入一個信任的一個晚宴
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transcript.whisperx[4097].text 主席 各位同仁大家好
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transcript.whisperx[4102].text 今天我想就關於監察院相關的議題
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transcript.whisperx[4103].text 在職權的這個部分還有在
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transcript.whisperx[4104].text 關於查查的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[4105].text 跟您做個請教
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transcript.whisperx[4106].text 那就本席對您資料的了解
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transcript.whisperx[4107].text 那因為您應該是玉山神學院畢業的嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4108].text 你有在玉山 對吧
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transcript.whisperx[4109].text 有過嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4112].text 因為我過去也在那邊教書
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transcript.whisperx[4113].text 所以對玉神有一些了解
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transcript.whisperx[4114].text 所以有一些相關的這個背景
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transcript.whisperx[4115].text 所以本席就要針對
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transcript.whisperx[4116].text 有關於監察院的這個職權
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transcript.whisperx[4117].text 和我們原住民族的權益
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transcript.whisperx[4118].text 這邊來跟您做一個請教
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transcript.whisperx[4119].text 首先呢
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transcript.whisperx[4120].text 本席請教有關於監察院最基本的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4121].text 那麼面對社會長期存在著
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transcript.whisperx[4122].text 廢除監察院的主張
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transcript.whisperx[4123].text 那麼您個人的立場是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4124].text 你認為監察院在現在五權憲政的架構之下
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transcript.whisperx[4125].text 最不可被取代的功能是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4126].text 好 謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[4128].text 監察院的這個除非與否
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transcript.whisperx[4130].text 那在我的這種認知上
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transcript.whisperx[4132].text 監察院是屬於憲政城市的核心議題
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transcript.whisperx[4134].text 在那個徵修條文
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transcript.whisperx[4135].text 也明定憲政體制更是一個
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transcript.whisperx[4136].text 變更這個憲政體制
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transcript.whisperx[4137].text 更是一個非常重大的議題
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transcript.whisperx[4138].text 現在我們還沒有提到變更的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4139].text 所以你認為
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transcript.whisperx[4140].text 監察院這不可以被取代的功能是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4143].text 這不能被取代的功能
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transcript.whisperx[4144].text 我深信這個監察院
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transcript.whisperx[4145].text 它有具備的一個功能
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transcript.whisperx[4146].text 如果按照這個監察法我們在看的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4147].text 真的是一個國家一個非常重要的一個區
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transcript.whisperx[4148].text 最高機構
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transcript.whisperx[4149].text 可以監察各個這個院會所謂的五權分立
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transcript.whisperx[4151].text 跟查查五權正義這是您的看法嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4159].text 然後我們就針對您剛才談到的
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transcript.whisperx[4165].text 這個部分呢
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transcript.whisperx[4182].text 甚至職權使用行使的效能上的爭議
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transcript.whisperx[4190].text 剛才問題的一個補充
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transcript.whisperx[4193].text 採取不附屬的方式
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transcript.whisperx[4194].text 使法律無法完成公布施行程序
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transcript.whisperx[4200].text 結果等了七個多月
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transcript.whisperx[4202].text 不予立案調查
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transcript.whisperx[4203].text 甚至連具體的理由都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[4206].text 這是應有的責任嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4211].text 也就是你覺得如果您被選上了
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transcript.whisperx[4213].text 這應該要改變什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4214].text 才能夠讓大家幸福
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transcript.whisperx[4215].text 那本席剛才用剛才剛有了這個案例
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transcript.whisperx[4216].text 跟您做個補充
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transcript.whisperx[4217].text 所以您的看法是如何
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transcript.whisperx[4221].text 所以你覺得監察院應不應該要立案調查
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transcript.whisperx[4223].text 剛剛關於這個人事問題
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transcript.whisperx[4224].text 我比較困難做回應
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transcript.whisperx[4225].text 因為好像
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transcript.whisperx[4226].text 應該不是人事問題
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transcript.whisperx[4227].text 這個是立法院送了一個案到監察院
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transcript.whisperx[4230].text 恰當嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4234].text 你才可以有一個比較正確的回應
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transcript.whisperx[4237].text 我們也確定了這個案
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transcript.whisperx[4238].text 我們送到了監察院去
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transcript.whisperx[4242].text 針對人民或者是公務體系
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transcript.whisperx[4246].text 您覺得這樣子是恰當的嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4247].text 還是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4248].text 我也有看到這樣的一個文本
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transcript.whisperx[4249].text 所以您覺得
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transcript.whisperx[4252].text 那您覺得要立案調查嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4253].text 我想內文都非常清楚了
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transcript.whisperx[4261].text 會不會
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transcript.whisperx[4266].text 那我們也很難知道您的態度是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4267].text 我比較可惜
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transcript.whisperx[4268].text 因為這個案是最近大家都討論的
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transcript.whisperx[4273].text 對原住民的這個正義一定是非常重視的
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transcript.whisperx[4279].text 您說要深入的這個了解
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transcript.whisperx[4281].text 你對於源泉運動應該是非常了解的
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transcript.whisperx[4282].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[4283].text 那您大概對於
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transcript.whisperx[4284].text 原住民的議題您最關注的可不可以再
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transcript.whisperx[4285].text 十秒鐘之內根本是講您關注的這個議題
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transcript.whisperx[4287].text 好那正貴這個針對這個議題
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transcript.whisperx[4288].text 也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4289].text 這個可能就是要更深入去了解
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transcript.whisperx[4290].text 您已經有這個經驗了
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transcript.whisperx[4291].text 您還要再深入的了解
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transcript.whisperx[4292].text 您的經驗裡面對原住民
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transcript.whisperx[4293].text 我想您剛才其實在回答前一位委員
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transcript.whisperx[4294].text 都有講到一些
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transcript.whisperx[4295].text 只是本席要跟您再確認
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transcript.whisperx[4299].text 也沒有回應
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transcript.whisperx[4300].text 本席想要跟您請教
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transcript.whisperx[4301].text 我想您先前是在原轉會
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transcript.whisperx[4302].text 那應該您在原轉會做一些努力
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transcript.whisperx[4304].text 來針對您的努力
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transcript.whisperx[4305].text 做一些確認
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transcript.whisperx[4306].text 但是這個部分本席沒有聽到答案
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transcript.whisperx[4307].text 那本席就先問您
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transcript.whisperx[4308].text 你也看到本席的牌子這邊談到
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transcript.whisperx[4309].text 原住民的民族正義
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transcript.whisperx[4310].text 你如果有機會作為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[4311].text 你要如何處理蔡英文總統已經答應
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transcript.whisperx[4313].text 但是行政單位一直沒有送出
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transcript.whisperx[4314].text 原住民的土地權法
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transcript.whisperx[4315].text 自治法的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4316].text 第二您在原轉會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4317].text 在2017年
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transcript.whisperx[4318].text 還有馬耀等族人
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transcript.whisperx[4319].text 在228公園
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transcript.whisperx[4320].text 對於我們土地權的伸張
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transcript.whisperx[4321].text 您這邊都沒有做出任何的回應
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transcript.whisperx[4322].text 您對這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[4323].text 謝謝您
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transcript.whisperx[4324].text 我們一定會決定做計時
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transcript.whisperx[4325].text 所以你覺得他們先前的
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transcript.whisperx[4326].text 他們已經在那邊幾百天了
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transcript.whisperx[4327].text 你覺得他們的事情會不會異形
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transcript.whisperx[4329].text 一定有他的想法在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4330].text 所以是總統的想法比較重要
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transcript.whisperx[4331].text 好 那個我們時間到了
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transcript.whisperx[4332].text 是不是停
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transcript.whisperx[4333].text 對提名人再順便答覆
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transcript.whisperx[4334].text 好 謝謝林委員
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transcript.whisperx[4335].text 下一位我們請許中信委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[4336].text 主席 各位同仁 我們邀請高牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4337].text 我們請高貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[4341].text 其實我
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transcript.whisperx[4342].text 天底下最尊重
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transcript.whisperx[4346].text 所以我今天對您的期許非常的高
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transcript.whisperx[4348].text 在我們台灣民主的歷史上
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transcript.whisperx[4349].text 地位非常的崇高
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transcript.whisperx[4350].text 所以我稱呼您高牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4351].text 是對您極度的
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transcript.whisperx[4352].text 這個尊重
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transcript.whisperx[4353].text 但是高牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4354].text 在十幾年前
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transcript.whisperx[4355].text 我在
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transcript.whisperx[4356].text 成大教師
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transcript.whisperx[4357].text 他成立一個
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transcript.whisperx[4359].text 這個會
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transcript.whisperx[4360].text 是由我們台南地區所有的
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transcript.whisperx[4362].text 地方
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transcript.whisperx[4363].text 得望的
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transcript.whisperx[4364].text 這個社團負責人
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transcript.whisperx[4365].text 地方意見領袖所組成
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transcript.whisperx[4366].text 所以他在總理餐廳開了一個
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transcript.whisperx[4368].text 專程邀請我
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transcript.whisperx[4371].text
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transcript.whisperx[4372].text 車站接我的
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transcript.whisperx[4374].text 叫做邱麗麗
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transcript.whisperx[4375].text 現在是我們台南市的議長
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transcript.whisperx[4376].text 邱麗麗
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transcript.whisperx[4378].text 剛好
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transcript.whisperx[4381].text 所以我把麥克風
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transcript.whisperx[4382].text 播10分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[4383].text 讓賴立委
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transcript.whisperx[4388].text 屁印
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transcript.whisperx[4389].text 應該是要做對我們台灣
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transcript.whisperx[4390].text 非常有利的行動
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transcript.whisperx[4395].text 現在這個議長
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transcript.whisperx[4397].text 一個我有明確證據
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transcript.whisperx[4399].text 另外
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transcript.whisperx[4400].text 很爽脫
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transcript.whisperx[4401].text 是一個
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transcript.whisperx[4403].text 這個家具的那個司機
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transcript.whisperx[4407].text 我們三立的創辦人林坤海
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transcript.whisperx[4413].text 這個我只是傳聞
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transcript.whisperx[4418].text 這一次
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transcript.whisperx[4426].text 二審也判他無罪
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transcript.whisperx[4433].text 這個包庇
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transcript.whisperx[4446].text 我不知道
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transcript.whisperx[4451].text 結果法官跟安政懷說只是
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transcript.whisperx[4454].text 邀楊志強出來談的事情
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transcript.whisperx[4462].text 要確保一定會給
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transcript.whisperx[4463].text 方一芳已經承認了
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transcript.whisperx[4469].text 竟然只以這個關鍵的錄音
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transcript.whisperx[4471].text 沒有依法懲罰
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transcript.whisperx[4489].text 有一股力量讓我們的一審法院
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transcript.whisperx[4490].text 二審法院
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transcript.whisperx[4501].text 為什麼會做出這樣一個
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transcript.whisperx[4520].text 那種調查的那種
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transcript.whisperx[4521].text 工作
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transcript.whisperx[4523].text 因為畢竟監察院有一點就是
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transcript.whisperx[4525].text 所以表示高牧師你是同意的
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transcript.whisperx[4530].text 在臺南議會以外臺南市長
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transcript.whisperx[4532].text 他在大學時代
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transcript.whisperx[4534].text 曾經擔任的轉型正義委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4535].text 的學術研討會
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transcript.whisperx[4536].text 所提出來的研討會
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transcript.whisperx[4537].text 的補充資料一本這麼大本
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transcript.whisperx[4539].text A143
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transcript.whisperx[4543].text 社團同學
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transcript.whisperx[4544].text 還說還被認為表現優良
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transcript.whisperx[4545].text 我當時根據
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transcript.whisperx[4546].text 這一份資料
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transcript.whisperx[4547].text 因為我跟黃偉哲
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transcript.whisperx[4548].text 我找他一年在臺大
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transcript.whisperx[4549].text 所以那份資料裡面所寫的時間地點教室
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transcript.whisperx[4550].text 我非常熟悉
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transcript.whisperx[4552].text A143就是黃偉哲市長
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transcript.whisperx[4553].text 結果在後
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transcript.whisperx[4554].text 前一陣子
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transcript.whisperx[4555].text 又有一個中文的
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transcript.whisperx[4557].text 文獻在網路上流傳
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transcript.whisperx[4558].text 就明白的寫了
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transcript.whisperx[4559].text 黃偉哲就是這個龍推細的
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transcript.whisperx[4560].text 部建學生調查局的部建學生
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transcript.whisperx[4561].text 請問高牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4563].text 會在學生時代出賣他的同學
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transcript.whisperx[4564].text 出賣他的好友
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transcript.whisperx[4565].text 他會
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transcript.whisperx[4567].text 好好的去做嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4568].text 會出賣自己朋友的人
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transcript.whisperx[4569].text 會對我們這個國家盡忠嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4570].text 見紙嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4571].text 如果您
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transcript.whisperx[4572].text 當時
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transcript.whisperx[4573].text 有更明確的證據
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transcript.whisperx[4574].text 我相信你應該會提出來
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transcript.whisperx[4575].text 你應該會提出來
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transcript.whisperx[4576].text 這就是我們台南市現在
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transcript.whisperx[4577].text 為什麼被台中超越
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transcript.whisperx[4578].text 為什麼現在被桃園超越的原因
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transcript.whisperx[4579].text 所以這是在轉型正義委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4580].text 所發生的資料
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transcript.whisperx[4581].text 今天提出來
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transcript.whisperx[4582].text 好 謝謝許爾元
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transcript.whisperx[4583].text 接下來請審發會委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[4584].text 主席我們請被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[4585].text 我們請高被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[4586].text 你好
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transcript.whisperx[4587].text 今天這一次的監察委員同意選
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transcript.whisperx[4588].text 的這個公聽會
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transcript.whisperx[4589].text 我個人認為說對於被提名人的專業結構
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transcript.whisperx[4590].text 實際能力跟政治中立性
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transcript.whisperx[4591].text 還有國家委員會的功能
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transcript.whisperx[4592].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[4593].text 我認為都是應該要在這一次的
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transcript.whisperx[4594].text 公聽會裡面大家
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transcript.whisperx[4595].text 應該要探討的重點
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transcript.whisperx[4596].text 這個在行使同意選的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4597].text 應該要回歸到每一位被提名人的經歷
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transcript.whisperx[4598].text 跟能力跟工作規劃是不是能夠
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transcript.whisperx[4599].text 獨立行使職權
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transcript.whisperx[4601].text 幾位委員在哪一些個案
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transcript.whisperx[4602].text 要求表態
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transcript.whisperx[4603].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[4604].text 我認為這個等同於是
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transcript.whisperx[4605].text 利用公聽會來進行
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transcript.whisperx[4606].text 個案施壓
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transcript.whisperx[4607].text 個人認為非常不可取
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transcript.whisperx[4608].text 而且這個也顯示出一個政黨的格調
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transcript.whisperx[4609].text 我個人是認為說
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transcript.whisperx[4610].text 尤其是我們這個俄勒姆斯
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transcript.whisperx[4611].text 您過去這個我首先肯定
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transcript.whisperx[4612].text 您過去數十年來在婦女兒少
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transcript.whisperx[4613].text 家庭權益
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transcript.whisperx[4614].text 還有人權保障跟社會服務
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transcript.whisperx[4615].text 的長期投入
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transcript.whisperx[4616].text 你長年從事這個
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transcript.whisperx[4617].text 這個幕會跟社會的服務
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transcript.whisperx[4618].text 我想你所累積下來的這些
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transcript.whisperx[4619].text 經驗參與這個婦女
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transcript.whisperx[4620].text 權益性別平等家庭暴力跟老人
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transcript.whisperx[4621].text 福利的這些相關事物
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transcript.whisperx[4622].text 投入的這些經驗跟你對
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transcript.whisperx[4623].text 人民的這些瞭解我覺得這才是我們
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transcript.whisperx[4624].text 認為今天要來了解
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transcript.whisperx[4625].text 您在帶著過去這樣子的貢獻跟經驗
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transcript.whisperx[4627].text 您會在這上面
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transcript.whisperx[4628].text 怎麼樣以你過去的
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transcript.whisperx[4629].text 第一線的經驗
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transcript.whisperx[4630].text 來協助處理問題
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transcript.whisperx[4631].text 來傾聽民眾的困難
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transcript.whisperx[4632].text 這我覺得才是我們所關心的重點
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transcript.whisperx[4633].text 那這個所以我今天大概
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transcript.whisperx[4634].text 我就回到我個人比較重視的
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transcript.whisperx[4635].text 這些問題上面
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transcript.whisperx[4636].text 今天大概簡單幾個問題
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transcript.whisperx[4637].text 來請教這個厄頓牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4638].text 第一個就是我剛剛所提到的
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transcript.whisperx[4639].text 你長期在這個教會
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transcript.whisperx[4640].text 社區跟民間團體服務
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transcript.whisperx[4641].text 我相信你接觸過不少民眾
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transcript.whisperx[4642].text 有不少民眾他明明遇到困難
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transcript.whisperx[4644].text 政府單位
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transcript.whisperx[4646].text 那他也因為不熟悉
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transcript.whisperx[4647].text 這個行政程序跟機關的分工
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transcript.whisperx[4648].text 這個最後
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transcript.whisperx[4649].text 很多民眾最後問題還是
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transcript.whisperx[4650].text 沒有辦法解決
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transcript.whisperx[4652].text 幕會的經驗
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transcript.whisperx[4653].text 讓你善於傾聽他人
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transcript.whisperx[4654].text 這個善於傾聽他人的敘事
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transcript.whisperx[4656].text 整理成具體的提案
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transcript.whisperx[4657].text 那交由團隊進一步的調查
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transcript.whisperx[4658].text 這是你在自傳中所提到的
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transcript.whisperx[4659].text 那我個人認為說
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transcript.whisperx[4660].text 這正是可以帶進監察院的重要的能力
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transcript.whisperx[4661].text 那這個所以我在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[4662].text 大概第一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[4663].text 就要請教我們額外牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4664].text 如果你有機會擔任監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[4665].text 你是不是願意延續過去
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transcript.whisperx[4666].text 這樣子傾聽陪伴民眾的工作方式
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transcript.whisperx[4667].text 主動了解人民
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transcript.whisperx[4668].text 所這個遇到的困難
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transcript.whisperx[4669].text 那跟這個監察院的
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transcript.whisperx[4670].text 這個專業調查團隊合作
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transcript.whisperx[4671].text 把事情查清楚提出改善的建議
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transcript.whisperx[4672].text 那特別再詢問一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[4673].text 就是說你如果有機會進入
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transcript.whisperx[4674].text 監察院你大概會
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transcript.whisperx[4675].text 優先選擇參加什麼樣的委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4676].text 哪一個委員會
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transcript.whisperx[4677].text 那你考量是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[4678].text 好謝謝委員的這個提問
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transcript.whisperx[4679].text 那是的我長久在部落這個幕會
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transcript.whisperx[4681].text 每次在我的環境裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4682].text 因為這個黨老教會
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transcript.whisperx[4683].text 有一個他們的一個神學
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transcript.whisperx[4686].text 不公義的一個事情
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transcript.whisperx[4687].text 就像當時候
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transcript.whisperx[4689].text 就是宰測
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transcript.whisperx[4690].text 邊緣學校
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transcript.whisperx[4692].text 那我的部落是一個其中其一
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transcript.whisperx[4693].text 那我部落也是最小的一個部落在我們的鄉鎮
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transcript.whisperx[4694].text 然後當踩車的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4695].text 我們的公部門的
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transcript.whisperx[4697].text 活動中心
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transcript.whisperx[4704].text 我身為這個部落的一個牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4713].text 甚至變成一個石角
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transcript.whisperx[4717].text 這麼可惜
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transcript.whisperx[4736].text 來做方案的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4737].text 應該是那一個部落
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transcript.whisperx[4739].text 過去是我在第一線
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transcript.whisperx[4740].text 那種觀察那種聆聽
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transcript.whisperx[4745].text 比較專長的地方
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transcript.whisperx[4769].text 將過去您在第一線的這些經驗
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transcript.whisperx[4782].text 這一次的公聽委裡面有意見指出
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transcript.whisperx[4792].text 這個部分也在公聽委裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4809].text 是不是能夠請我們
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transcript.whisperx[4816].text 文字報告
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transcript.whisperx[4820].text 消極應付
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transcript.whisperx[4821].text 適應了事
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transcript.whisperx[4832].text 負責任還有完成的時程
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transcript.whisperx[4833].text 還有可以供
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transcript.whisperx[4834].text 檢驗的成效及標
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transcript.whisperx[4835].text 我一切才能清楚比對
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transcript.whisperx[4836].text 機關是否
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transcript.whisperx[4837].text 真正真實
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transcript.whisperx[4838].text 而非任由機關
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transcript.whisperx[4839].text 自稱已改善
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transcript.whisperx[4840].text 就結案了
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transcript.whisperx[4841].text 所以我覺得還有另外一個建議
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transcript.whisperx[4842].text 就是人權會應該
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transcript.whisperx[4843].text 建立定期的一個追蹤
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transcript.whisperx[4844].text 的一個複雜機制
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transcript.whisperx[4845].text 持續要求機制
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transcript.whisperx[4846].text 回報
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transcript.whisperx[4847].text 並實際的查證進度
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transcript.whisperx[4848].text 而非憑書面恢復
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transcript.whisperx[4849].text 就結案了
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transcript.whisperx[4850].text 那如果機關
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transcript.whisperx[4851].text 一起未完成
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transcript.whisperx[4852].text 應該要求具體說明
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transcript.whisperx[4853].text 嚴重的原因及
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transcript.whisperx[4854].text 新的議定的時程
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transcript.whisperx[4855].text 然後列為
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transcript.whisperx[4856].text 時間的關係
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transcript.whisperx[4857].text 事實上我是非常期待
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transcript.whisperx[4858].text 我們惡人牧師能夠
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transcript.whisperx[4859].text 我也希望說我們立法院
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transcript.whisperx[4860].text 大家能夠拋棄這個黨派的
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transcript.whisperx[4861].text 這些立場跟成見
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transcript.whisperx[4862].text 我們真正的讓惡人牧師有機會
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transcript.whisperx[4863].text 帶著您過去的這個
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transcript.whisperx[4864].text 牧者的傾聽跟社工的專業
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transcript.whisperx[4865].text 來進入長期為民眾服務的
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transcript.whisperx[4866].text 經驗來進入監察院
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transcript.whisperx[4867].text 在這裡祝福你
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transcript.whisperx[4868].text 謝謝省委員
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transcript.whisperx[4869].text 下一位請盧縣議委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[4870].text 有請高牧師
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transcript.whisperx[4871].text 我們請高被提名人被選
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transcript.whisperx[4872].text 牧師好
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transcript.whisperx[4873].text 很高興能夠在這個場合跟你碰面
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transcript.whisperx[4874].text 代表我們是屏東的官榮
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transcript.whisperx[4875].text 那也是我們排灣族的驕傲
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transcript.whisperx[4876].text 長期投入原住民族婦女兒少家庭及人權工作
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transcript.whisperx[4877].text 這次本來就是依監察院
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transcript.whisperx[4878].text 組織法第三條規定
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transcript.whisperx[4879].text 因為人權研究貢獻
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transcript.whisperx[4880].text 跟公民團體事務經驗的資格被提名
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transcript.whisperx[4881].text 那我想說
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transcript.whisperx[4882].text 今天你從最熟悉的原住民族人權開始
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transcript.whisperx[4883].text 要請你說明一下你能不能把人權的代表性
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transcript.whisperx[4884].text 真正轉換成監察的專業
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transcript.whisperx[4885].text 謝謝這個委員的提議
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transcript.whisperx[4886].text 進入到這個監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[4887].text 他是一個國家的最高的器官
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transcript.whisperx[4888].text 那當然這集本身
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transcript.whisperx[4889].text 一個非常重要的一個責任
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transcript.whisperx[4890].text 就是捍衛這個監察委員的制度
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transcript.whisperx[4892].text 有獨立性、有人權敏感度
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transcript.whisperx[4893].text 有證據、調查能力、法律、行政能力
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transcript.whisperx[4895].text 你認為這幾個能力裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4896].text 你覺得你最要補強的是哪方面
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transcript.whisperx[4899].text 但是現在比較讓我一直痛心的
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transcript.whisperx[4900].text 就是我們居住的一個環境
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transcript.whisperx[4901].text 尤其是遷徙的這個原住民
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transcript.whisperx[4902].text 我們都是屏東人
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transcript.whisperx[4903].text 也是嘉義人
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transcript.whisperx[4904].text 第一個就是像排灣這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[4905].text 已經可以有那個活動空間了
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transcript.whisperx[4906].text 那像現在我們看到這個
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transcript.whisperx[4907].text 達瓦達望山的山體門鄉
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transcript.whisperx[4909].text 但是我非常納悶的地方就是
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transcript.whisperx[4910].text 當他們在遷徙的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4911].text 為什麼沒有非常好的一個策略
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transcript.whisperx[4913].text 還有他們的活動
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transcript.whisperx[4914].text 現在達瓦達望那個地方
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transcript.whisperx[4915].text 根本就沒有用動場
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transcript.whisperx[4916].text 當然是我很感謝我們的政府
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transcript.whisperx[4917].text 好像幾乎每一個部落都有文件站
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transcript.whisperx[4918].text 但是我們最大的這個支援就是空氣
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transcript.whisperx[4919].text 所以應該有強勁的身體
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transcript.whisperx[4920].text 就是在這個
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transcript.whisperx[4921].text 這個跟大自然在一起
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transcript.whisperx[4922].text 那我們也是常常去瓦劉路嘛
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transcript.whisperx[4923].text 其實你看到瓦劉路可能心裡也會痛
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transcript.whisperx[4924].text 他們每次風年祭的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4925].text 那個超長是那種石頭
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transcript.whisperx[4926].text 我還深怕他們的這個腳背刺痛
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transcript.whisperx[4927].text 這個是我在那邊誤會
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transcript.whisperx[4928].text 還有另外一個
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transcript.whisperx[4929].text 我也很納悶就是這個警察廢棄的一個警察派出所
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transcript.whisperx[4930].text 這個是對一個部落
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transcript.whisperx[4931].text 是一個由愛觀展的一個地方
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transcript.whisperx[4932].text 那是門面
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transcript.whisperx[4933].text 但是都沒有做改變也不拆掉
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transcript.whisperx[4934].text 然後可以另外立一個
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transcript.whisperx[4935].text 讓我們族人有一個活動的一個地方
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transcript.whisperx[4936].text 那現在我比較比較在意的就是我們的區住整理
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transcript.whisperx[4937].text 尤其是被牽扯的地方
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transcript.whisperx[4938].text 如果我們一個一個盤點
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transcript.whisperx[4939].text 可能我們會看到那個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[4940].text 所以當我進入到這個監察委員會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4941].text 他這個可能也是一個我非常重要的一個
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transcript.whisperx[4942].text 我覺得急不公義
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transcript.whisperx[4943].text 急不公義對一個尤其是小部落
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transcript.whisperx[4944].text 沒有一個正常的一個活動空間
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transcript.whisperx[4945].text 因為我們原住民的地方
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transcript.whisperx[4946].text 所有的那個丘陵地台是我們
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transcript.whisperx[4947].text 我們常常唯一的那個活動的那個超長就是學校
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transcript.whisperx[4948].text 所以一旦被方會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[4949].text 幾乎我們沒有地方活動了
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transcript.whisperx[4950].text 好陳牧師的研談當中
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transcript.whisperx[4951].text 我大概知道說
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transcript.whisperx[4952].text 從那個能力裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4953].text 你大概知道說制度改善的能力很重要
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transcript.whisperx[4954].text 可能是現在你迫缺是要知道的
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transcript.whisperx[4957].text 這就是你最重要的能力
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transcript.whisperx[4958].text 也是未來你要做的方向
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transcript.whisperx[4959].text 第三個就是我說
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transcript.whisperx[4960].text 我看到你有看到你之前在原轉會
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transcript.whisperx[4961].text 那我知道說原轉會之前有推公法人
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transcript.whisperx[4962].text 有推傳統領域
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transcript.whisperx[4963].text 不過也就你當傳統轉型正義委員這個角色
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transcript.whisperx[4964].text 你覺得原民會這方面有做到
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transcript.whisperx[4965].text 有做到應該做到的一個行政的一個能力嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4966].text 謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[4967].text 那在原轉會的幾年
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transcript.whisperx[4968].text 讓我更深知我們族人在碰到的問題
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transcript.whisperx[4969].text 尤其是土地的這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[4970].text 到現在一直還沒有被解決
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transcript.whisperx[4971].text 那也是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[4972].text 可能就是經過我們用那個調查的一個專業
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transcript.whisperx[4973].text 它的真寫在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[4974].text 它一直沒有辦法進一步
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transcript.whisperx[4975].text 一定有它的因素在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[4976].text 但是我們不應當就這樣退縮
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transcript.whisperx[4977].text 我們藉助這個監察院的一個調查的一個專業
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transcript.whisperx[4978].text 他們對憲法的一個認知
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transcript.whisperx[4979].text 那在這個地方我們也可以一起努力
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transcript.whisperx[4980].text 來解決我們多年來的這樣的一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[4981].text 像我知道傳統領域的公告
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transcript.whisperx[4982].text 希望能夠做各個族群的一個傳統領域
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transcript.whisperx[4983].text 不過從九十一到現在公告了兩個
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transcript.whisperx[4984].text 還被撤銷了一個
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transcript.whisperx[4985].text 所以我覺得原民會這方面的失職
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transcript.whisperx[4988].text 到底行政部門的缺失在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[4989].text 至於公法人的部分是明明就
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transcript.whisperx[4990].text 蔡英文總統就想說要推工法人
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transcript.whisperx[4993].text 跟失誤在哪裡可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[4994].text 謝謝委員
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transcript.whisperx[4998].text 接觸這個原轉會的一個專業
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transcript.whisperx[4999].text 去做努力去調查去認識
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transcript.whisperx[5000].text 這個是一個我們非常重要
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transcript.whisperx[5001].text 要繼續的一個工作
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transcript.whisperx[5002].text 尤其是我們都會一起合作
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transcript.whisperx[5003].text 為了族人為了不公義的事情
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transcript.whisperx[5004].text 我知道還有很多事情
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transcript.whisperx[5005].text 不公義存在我們這個族人這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[5006].text 但是我深信只要我們有心不去也
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transcript.whisperx[5007].text 因為我的經驗我也經驗過在部落的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5008].text 人家跟我講說不可能
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transcript.whisperx[5010].text 為了婦女的權益
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transcript.whisperx[5011].text 已經沒有學校了
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transcript.whisperx[5012].text 那我們就寫一個方案
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transcript.whisperx[5013].text 徵詢那個文化成長班
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transcript.whisperx[5014].text 人家跟我講說不可能因為
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transcript.whisperx[5015].text 那個時候衣衫只有一個
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transcript.whisperx[5016].text 那我說不行我們就試試看
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transcript.whisperx[5017].text 剛好蔡偶像也在徵詢
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transcript.whisperx[5019].text 但是她是即便她是我的同工
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transcript.whisperx[5020].text 所以我跟她講說我們公平競爭
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transcript.whisperx[5022].text 最後就在排灣村這個地方
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transcript.whisperx[5023].text 還有派出所我們是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[5024].text 希望高牧師你用以前你的堅持
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transcript.whisperx[5025].text 跟你的努力跟你的專業
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transcript.whisperx[5026].text 我想有一個案子就是跟你分享一下
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transcript.whisperx[5027].text 監察院就台電大甲系官民抽蓄水力發電計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5028].text 提出糾正
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transcript.whisperx[5029].text 但是其中有一個重要的爭議點
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transcript.whisperx[5030].text 就是我們和平區的哈倫台
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transcript.whisperx[5031].text 嘉洋跟黎山部落的傳統領域
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transcript.whisperx[5032].text 和平區竟然認定
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transcript.whisperx[5033].text 它並不是所謂的關係部落
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transcript.whisperx[5034].text 以至於沒有辦法對這些部落
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transcript.whisperx[5035].text 所謂的一個做諮商統一的程序
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transcript.whisperx[5037].text 以後如果到宜蘭像地熱的
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transcript.whisperx[5038].text 比如說花蓮有些地熱的議題
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transcript.whisperx[5039].text 你可能也會接觸到
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transcript.whisperx[5040].text 這些關係部落的一個
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transcript.whisperx[5041].text 以後的諮商統一權
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transcript.whisperx[5042].text 我覺得這個部分是你應該要
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transcript.whisperx[5043].text 真正的去著墨的
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transcript.whisperx[5044].text 尤其是現在我們反山西的風電
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transcript.whisperx[5045].text 還有我們那個
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transcript.whisperx[5047].text 其實目前都停滯在一個
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transcript.whisperx[5048].text 跨部會的協調當中
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transcript.whisperx[5049].text 甚至是無解
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transcript.whisperx[5050].text 那我想說就你當檢察委員
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transcript.whisperx[5052].text 或者說也需要跨部會
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transcript.whisperx[5053].text 要來執行的這些
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transcript.whisperx[5055].text 我覺得你要以檢察委員的身份
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transcript.whisperx[5056].text 去主動來跨部會來調查
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transcript.whisperx[5057].text 到底行政程序的
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transcript.whisperx[5058].text 在南行的地方在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[5059].text 把問題點找出來可以嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5060].text 可以
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transcript.whisperx[5062].text 然後當然
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transcript.whisperx[5063].text 如果有機會到監察院請示委員
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transcript.whisperx[5064].text 一定是常常有的
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transcript.whisperx[5066].text 你心裡面有沒有一個答案就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5068].text 你希望推進三項具體的制度的話
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transcript.whisperx[5069].text 你希望能夠有哪三項
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transcript.whisperx[5070].text 你最在意的是哪三項
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transcript.whisperx[5072].text 如果有機會當這個監察委員的委員
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transcript.whisperx[5073].text 第一個就是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[5074].text 我剛剛就不斷的在講
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transcript.whisperx[5075].text 就是主任的聲音
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transcript.whisperx[5076].text 能夠經過我們的轉換成為一個議案
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transcript.whisperx[5077].text 讓監察院聽到
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transcript.whisperx[5078].text 能夠讓主任也看到一個監察院
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transcript.whisperx[5079].text 有溫度的聽到部落
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transcript.whisperx[5080].text 來服務我們主任
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transcript.whisperx[5081].text 這個是第一個
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transcript.whisperx[5082].text 第二個剛剛所想到的土地
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transcript.whisperx[5083].text 一直是我們的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5084].text 也會在這個地方琢磨
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transcript.whisperx[5085].text 然後剛剛講過
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transcript.whisperx[5086].text 會不斷的請示委員
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transcript.whisperx[5087].text 因為你們比我們更清楚
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transcript.whisperx[5089].text 那希望我們為主任有很好的合作
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transcript.whisperx[5091].text 甚至你面對提名你的政府
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transcript.whisperx[5093].text 來判斷責任
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transcript.whisperx[5094].text 這才是我們原住民的福祉
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transcript.whisperx[5099].text 對監察委員被提名人高天惠
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transcript.whisperx[5100].text 詢答部分到此為止
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transcript.whisperx[5102].text 列席答詢
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transcript.whisperx[5104].text 休息五分鐘休息之後
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transcript.whisperx[5105].text 進行對監察委員被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[5106].text 張菊芳質詢問
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transcript.whisperx[5107].text 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[5109].text 現在繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[5111].text 之資格相關事項
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transcript.whisperx[5113].text 時間為五分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[5115].text 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生
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transcript.whisperx[5116].text 大家好
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transcript.whisperx[5117].text 我是監察委員的
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transcript.whisperx[5118].text 以及國家人權委員會的被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[5121].text 報告 接受各位委員的審查
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transcript.whisperx[5123].text 開始了民主法制人權的啟蒙
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transcript.whisperx[5125].text 都有相當的注意
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transcript.whisperx[5126].text 以下我就分幾個面向來跟大家報告
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transcript.whisperx[5127].text 第一個部分是在職業律師階段
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transcript.whisperx[5133].text 性平兒少權益的相關法律的修法
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transcript.whisperx[5136].text 並且我也陸續的擔任法輔
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transcript.whisperx[5137].text 輔助律師
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transcript.whisperx[5139].text 希望協助弱勢民眾
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transcript.whisperx[5141].text 來維護憲法保障他們的訴訟權跟平等權
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transcript.whisperx[5142].text 並且我在擔任台北律師公會理事長期間
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transcript.whisperx[5143].text 期間除了推動會務
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transcript.whisperx[5144].text 我也並且推動司改
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transcript.whisperx[5145].text 並促進民主法治
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transcript.whisperx[5146].text 第二個面向是在擔任第六屆的監委
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transcript.whisperx[5153].text 後續的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5161].text 我想大家都深感痛心的凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[5162].text 以及兒虐不當管教這個系列事件
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transcript.whisperx[5194].text 我想大家非常關注的
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transcript.whisperx[5195].text 長榮大學馬來西亞籍大學生
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transcript.whisperx[5197].text 以及包括調查
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transcript.whisperx[5198].text 機關主管職場
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transcript.whisperx[5200].text 提出彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[5202].text 以及調查貪圖
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transcript.whisperx[5205].text 跟大家都息息相關的
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transcript.whisperx[5206].text 像保齡茶室
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transcript.whisperx[5207].text 食物中毒案
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transcript.whisperx[5210].text 流入市場市面販售
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transcript.whisperx[5212].text 像風景區步道
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transcript.whisperx[5215].text 都是跟人民群體息息相關的
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transcript.whisperx[5219].text 再者我被淩派為
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transcript.whisperx[5220].text 人權會首年委員
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transcript.whisperx[5221].text 的人權案件跟計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5223].text 校園及安置機構
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transcript.whisperx[5225].text 擔任督辦
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transcript.whisperx[5226].text 我們提出專案報告
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transcript.whisperx[5227].text 也提出政策建議
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transcript.whisperx[5228].text 政策建議裡面就包含了
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transcript.whisperx[5229].text 延長未成年性侵害案件
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transcript.whisperx[5230].text 被害人追溯權期間
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transcript.whisperx[5231].text 這個議題我想
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transcript.whisperx[5232].text 也經過了各界公民團體
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transcript.whisperx[5233].text 各界的一個倡議
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transcript.whisperx[5234].text 研議機關的研議
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transcript.whisperx[5235].text 進其是立法院三讀通過
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transcript.whisperx[5236].text 刑法修正
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transcript.whisperx[5237].text 也包括提出人權調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[5238].text 以及參與人權會
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transcript.whisperx[5239].text 防治酷刑機制進行訪視
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transcript.whisperx[5240].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5241].text 張貝提米人之說語
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transcript.whisperx[5242].text 現在進行委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[5243].text 首先請王委員
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transcript.whisperx[5244].text 洪威詢問
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transcript.whisperx[5245].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[5246].text 請貝提米人
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transcript.whisperx[5247].text 請張貝提米人
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transcript.whisperx[5248].text 貝提米人好
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transcript.whisperx[5249].text 我有看你的自傳
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transcript.whisperx[5250].text 還有你對於立法院
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transcript.whisperx[5251].text 我們審查的報告
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transcript.whisperx[5252].text 那您有特別強調
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transcript.whisperx[5253].text 您有參加
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transcript.whisperx[5254].text 我們國家人權委員會的
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transcript.whisperx[5255].text 首年委員
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transcript.whisperx[5256].text 所以案例您非常重視人權
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transcript.whisperx[5257].text 但是我們
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transcript.whisperx[5258].text 最近社會有幾件
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transcript.whisperx[5259].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[5260].text 攸關於一些人權問題
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transcript.whisperx[5261].text 當然它也有高度的政治性
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transcript.whisperx[5262].text 我想請教您的意見
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transcript.whisperx[5263].text 比如說今年九合一選舉又到了
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transcript.whisperx[5264].text 但是我們回顧過去
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transcript.whisperx[5265].text 幾個重大的選舉
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transcript.whisperx[5266].text 都發生了
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transcript.whisperx[5267].text 以所謂的反滲透法
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transcript.whisperx[5268].text 或者國安法
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transcript.whisperx[5269].text 在選前大級的
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transcript.whisperx[5270].text 搜索或者是
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transcript.whisperx[5271].text 羈押
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transcript.whisperx[5272].text 這裡面其實比較
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transcript.whisperx[5273].text 我們為人所熟知的
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transcript.whisperx[5274].text 包含在2022
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transcript.whisperx[5275].text 24年的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5276].text 2024年像我們
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transcript.whisperx[5277].text 立委選舉我們台北市
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transcript.whisperx[5278].text 幾乎很多的
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transcript.whisperx[5279].text 里長通通被
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transcript.whisperx[5280].text 約談甚至
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transcript.whisperx[5281].text 沒收手機
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transcript.whisperx[5282].text 另外在2024年選舉的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5283].text 在選前的幾天
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transcript.whisperx[5284].text 一個禮拜
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transcript.whisperx[5285].text 有我們基隆的里長
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transcript.whisperx[5286].text 因為率團到大陸
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transcript.whisperx[5287].text 去旅遊
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transcript.whisperx[5288].text 他被羈押
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transcript.whisperx[5289].text 而且被兩度羈押
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transcript.whisperx[5290].text 一直羈押到選前幾天才把它放出來
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transcript.whisperx[5291].text 但是事後
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transcript.whisperx[5292].text 他都是無罪確定
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transcript.whisperx[5293].text 而且他也因此
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transcript.whisperx[5294].text 他可以得到這個刑事
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transcript.whisperx[5295].text 補償大概九萬多塊
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transcript.whisperx[5296].text 那另外呢
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transcript.whisperx[5297].text 在同樣的2024年的大選的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5298].text 他不是里長
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transcript.whisperx[5299].text 是一個協會
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transcript.whisperx[5300].text 他也是到
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transcript.whisperx[5301].text 中國大陸去旅遊
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transcript.whisperx[5302].text 然後呢
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transcript.whisperx[5303].text 背叛
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transcript.whisperx[5304].text 用反滲透法意圖影響選舉
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transcript.whisperx[5305].text 但是包含一省
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transcript.whisperx[5306].text 二省通通被判
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transcript.whisperx[5307].text 無罪
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transcript.whisperx[5308].text 所以我相信在
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transcript.whisperx[5309].text 今年選舉或明年選舉
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transcript.whisperx[5310].text 非常有可能
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transcript.whisperx[5311].text 這樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[5312].text 就是嚴重侵害人權
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transcript.whisperx[5313].text 而且跟選舉有關係的
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transcript.whisperx[5314].text 會再度的發生
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transcript.whisperx[5315].text 我不曉得您的看法如何
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transcript.whisperx[5316].text 另外
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transcript.whisperx[5317].text 我把它一起問完
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transcript.whisperx[5318].text 另外那麼這幾年呢
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transcript.whisperx[5319].text 我們常常有社會秩序維護法
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transcript.whisperx[5320].text 來送辦
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transcript.whisperx[5321].text 那如果你看過去的
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transcript.whisperx[5322].text 他的紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[5323].text
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transcript.whisperx[5325].text 可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[5326].text 其實移送的案件
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transcript.whisperx[5327].text 絕大部分
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transcript.whisperx[5328].text 根本是完全
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transcript.whisperx[5329].text 不成立的
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transcript.whisperx[5330].text 完全不成立
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transcript.whisperx[5336].text 其實從這個
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transcript.whisperx[5337].text 資料看起來
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transcript.whisperx[5339].text 過去
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transcript.whisperx[5340].text 監察院也曾經對幾個
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transcript.whisperx[5341].text 案子提出了
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transcript.whisperx[5346].text 就有新聞稿
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transcript.whisperx[5347].text 認為呢
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transcript.whisperx[5350].text 移送散佈謠言的案件
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transcript.whisperx[5351].text 應該要審慎移送
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transcript.whisperx[5352].text 而且應該遵循憲法
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transcript.whisperx[5353].text 保障言論自由
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transcript.whisperx[5354].text 的一個界線
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transcript.whisperx[5356].text 發生了幾件大家
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transcript.whisperx[5357].text 一直都記憶猶新的
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transcript.whisperx[5359].text 有一個民眾
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transcript.whisperx[5360].text 他問陳菊還在嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5361].text 結果呢
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transcript.whisperx[5362].text 就四個小時他就被約談了
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transcript.whisperx[5363].text 那也有在那時候
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transcript.whisperx[5364].text 這個超市雞蛋的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5365].text 那時候我們非常缺雞蛋
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transcript.whisperx[5368].text 拋到了網路上他自己碰到的
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transcript.whisperx[5369].text 臭雞蛋立刻還
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transcript.whisperx[5371].text 另外台大教授蘇鴻達教授
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transcript.whisperx[5372].text 他在網路
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transcript.whisperx[5374].text 消滅了故宮
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transcript.whisperx[5375].text 而且是已經隔一年之久
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transcript.whisperx[5376].text 還是一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5378].text 這幾個案件都讓外界
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transcript.whisperx[5379].text 認為是不是有濫用
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transcript.whisperx[5381].text 沒有真正的保障人權
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transcript.whisperx[5382].text 保障言論自由
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transcript.whisperx[5384].text 那個時候監察院也有提出
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transcript.whisperx[5385].text 說事實上已經隔了一年
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transcript.whisperx[5387].text 所以我不曉得
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transcript.whisperx[5392].text 最後無罪
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transcript.whisperx[5393].text 選完了之後就沒事
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transcript.whisperx[5394].text 也就無罪了
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transcript.whisperx[5405].text 我想很多事情
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transcript.whisperx[5406].text 我個人不只在人權會
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transcript.whisperx[5407].text 還有監委
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transcript.whisperx[5408].text 我們看到很多的問題是
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transcript.whisperx[5409].text 即便現在有相關的法令機制
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transcript.whisperx[5410].text 但是執行面
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transcript.whisperx[5411].text 是一個最大的考驗
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transcript.whisperx[5412].text 也就是說很多在執行面
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transcript.whisperx[5414].text 他在處理上確實
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transcript.whisperx[5415].text 沒有顧及到人民權益
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transcript.whisperx[5417].text 這個部分常常也就是
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transcript.whisperx[5418].text 會引發外界質疑之所在
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transcript.whisperx[5419].text 所以這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5420].text 我想那個是要深自期許
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transcript.whisperx[5421].text 下次不再
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transcript.whisperx[5422].text 做這樣一個模式處理的
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transcript.whisperx[5424].text 人權會他有一個功能
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transcript.whisperx[5425].text 也就是針對假設像
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transcript.whisperx[5427].text 他也是多次的發生他已經反覆
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transcript.whisperx[5431].text 這樣的情況我們會考慮
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transcript.whisperx[5432].text 要不要進入已經是一個
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transcript.whisperx[5435].text 既然介入結構性的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5436].text 就要用一個結構性系統性的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5437].text 把完整的系統原因
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transcript.whisperx[5438].text 把它找出來
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transcript.whisperx[5439].text 找出來之後我們不止
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transcript.whisperx[5440].text 我想外界也會說你只
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transcript.whisperx[5441].text 提個專案報告我們要提出
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transcript.whisperx[5442].text 政策建議
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transcript.whisperx[5444].text 後續重點是追蹤
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transcript.whisperx[5446].text 你之前是
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transcript.whisperx[5450].text 他的時間其實是蠻
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transcript.whisperx[5451].text 久了我剛才甚至提出從
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transcript.whisperx[5453].text 可以這只是回溯到
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transcript.whisperx[5454].text 111年其實
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transcript.whisperx[5455].text 整個的這個依社會
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transcript.whisperx[5457].text 事實上不乏的比例極高
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transcript.whisperx[5458].text 可是非常遺憾的我沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5459].text 看到那時候的
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transcript.whisperx[5460].text 監察院對這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5462].text 這個的一個
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transcript.whisperx[5463].text 提案或者是提出
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transcript.whisperx[5465].text 發生了就是大家很重視食安
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transcript.whisperx[5466].text 問題我剛才有注意到你也
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transcript.whisperx[5467].text 很重視食安是那麼在
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transcript.whisperx[5468].text 網路上有一個影片
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transcript.whisperx[5469].text 叫由不得你
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transcript.whisperx[5471].text 以所謂的他是
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transcript.whisperx[5474].text 上門但是經過
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transcript.whisperx[5475].text 我們的質詢發現了很
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transcript.whisperx[5479].text 沒有完成鑑定沒有完成
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transcript.whisperx[5482].text 根本沒有跟
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transcript.whisperx[5483].text 這個就是他找的人
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transcript.whisperx[5484].text 去詳細說明你到底是
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transcript.whisperx[5485].text 違反哪一個條法律
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transcript.whisperx[5486].text 所以這個事件其實也
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transcript.whisperx[5488].text 也就是說其實
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transcript.whisperx[5489].text 我們現在就是在
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transcript.whisperx[5491].text 在政治上是對立的
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transcript.whisperx[5492].text 但是如果我們的司法
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transcript.whisperx[5493].text 或者警察
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transcript.whisperx[5494].text 檢調不能夠
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transcript.whisperx[5498].text 那麼就非常容易
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transcript.whisperx[5499].text 讓我們的國家
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transcript.whisperx[5500].text 倒退讓人家以為是
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transcript.whisperx[5503].text 這個被提名人我看到
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transcript.whisperx[5504].text 你的報告裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5507].text 這個台南土地被
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transcript.whisperx[5508].text 偷盜廢土
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transcript.whisperx[5509].text 的處理不當也有
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transcript.whisperx[5511].text 台糖有一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[5512].text 我自己個人覺得是
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transcript.whisperx[5513].text 沒有辦法接受的
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transcript.whisperx[5514].text 就是台糖被偷到
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transcript.whisperx[5516].text 一樣台糖被
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transcript.whisperx[5520].text 現在為止通通不還
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transcript.whisperx[5521].text 你對於台糖
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transcript.whisperx[5522].text 國營事業這樣的做法
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transcript.whisperx[5523].text 你的看法是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5524].text 我是不是前面有個食安問題
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transcript.whisperx[5525].text 我先分兩個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5526].text 第一個
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transcript.whisperx[5527].text 食安問題如果有一部分
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transcript.whisperx[5528].text 是進入司法調查我們會
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transcript.whisperx[5530].text 但是假設有執行不當
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transcript.whisperx[5531].text 涉及到公務機關以及
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transcript.whisperx[5532].text 警察的
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transcript.whisperx[5533].text 這就是我們監察院
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transcript.whisperx[5534].text 要處理的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5535].text 這首先的說明
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transcript.whisperx[5536].text 我想食安我想大家非常關心
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transcript.whisperx[5537].text 從源頭通報
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transcript.whisperx[5538].text 還有包括下架
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transcript.whisperx[5539].text 這都是我們深切的
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transcript.whisperx[5540].text 認為很多產生的一個
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transcript.whisperx[5542].text 再者就是台糖案的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5544].text 我也您相當用心我們確實
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transcript.whisperx[5545].text 有處理到這種偷到這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5551].text 下一位請許中信委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[5552].text 主席我們有請
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transcript.whisperx[5553].text 張局方張律師
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transcript.whisperx[5554].text 張被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[5555].text 張律師好
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transcript.whisperx[5558].text 不到三個月我就關門
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transcript.whisperx[5560].text 張律師請降
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transcript.whisperx[5563].text 林濟東大法官
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transcript.whisperx[5574].text 就是說這些是對我後續
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transcript.whisperx[5576].text 這是有很大的幫忙的
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transcript.whisperx[5577].text 所以我對您的期待非常高
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transcript.whisperx[5578].text 謝謝您
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transcript.whisperx[5580].text 我吃完飯都會到台大法學
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transcript.whisperx[5581].text 去那邊散步
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transcript.whisperx[5582].text 我想到的
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transcript.whisperx[5585].text 我們今天這個問題要來請教您
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transcript.whisperx[5588].text 自愛難行
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transcript.whisperx[5590].text 本文57條也就是舊法
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transcript.whisperx[5594].text 也就是徵修條文第三條
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transcript.whisperx[5599].text 我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[5600].text 已經
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transcript.whisperx[5602].text 偏向這個
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transcript.whisperx[5605].text 我們現在
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transcript.whisperx[5612].text 這是違憲的
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transcript.whisperx[5614].text 委員我想你有具備非常深厚的法學背景
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transcript.whisperx[5616].text 您就議題的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5619].text 這也是外界常常質疑的
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transcript.whisperx[5620].text 監察院你為什麼不辦
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transcript.whisperx[5627].text 在目前我們是最高憲政機關
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transcript.whisperx[5637].text 您都提出來了
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transcript.whisperx[5641].text 但我們這邊會處理的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5644].text 如果在整個人員
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transcript.whisperx[5645].text 他有違法失職
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transcript.whisperx[5646].text 違背法令
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transcript.whisperx[5647].text 而且有失職
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transcript.whisperx[5648].text 情節重大的
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transcript.whisperx[5649].text 他就會回到我們監院的處理
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transcript.whisperx[5650].text 但是我想他有憲政層次的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5651].text 我想這也是我身為法律人
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transcript.whisperx[5652].text 我認為身為法律人
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transcript.whisperx[5653].text 我也深刻期許的
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transcript.whisperx[5654].text 該尊重你一定要尊重
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transcript.whisperx[5655].text 這是人家憲政機關要處理的
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transcript.whisperx[5656].text 為什麼你監察院要這樣子去處理呢
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transcript.whisperx[5657].text 這是不宜的
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transcript.whisperx[5658].text 您都點出了非常好的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5659].text 我們憲法之下
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transcript.whisperx[5660].text 我們現在五院
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transcript.whisperx[5661].text 監察院、立法院、行政院
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transcript.whisperx[5662].text 所以我們監察院
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transcript.whisperx[5663].text 認為行政院
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transcript.whisperx[5664].text 有違法失職
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transcript.whisperx[5665].text 就要彈劾糾正
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transcript.whisperx[5666].text 這個不必等到釋憲
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transcript.whisperx[5667].text 那是司法權
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transcript.whisperx[5668].text 那麼你是監察權
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transcript.whisperx[5669].text 監察跟司法是平行的
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transcript.whisperx[5670].text 我們監察沒必要等司法院來認定
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transcript.whisperx[5671].text 有沒有違憲
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transcript.whisperx[5672].text 是的,是平行的
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transcript.whisperx[5673].text 我們沒有要等你司法的判斷或如何
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transcript.whisperx[5674].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[5675].text 因為我們的調查有涉及到
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transcript.whisperx[5676].text 我們要所謂的勿忘勿重
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transcript.whisperx[5677].text 我的資料一定要完成
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transcript.whisperx[5678].text 我不能很片段的去處理
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transcript.whisperx[5679].text 這個也就是監察職權之所在
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transcript.whisperx[5680].text 如果您成為監委以後
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transcript.whisperx[5681].text 至少就行政院長不附屬
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transcript.whisperx[5682].text 你會要申請立案
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transcript.whisperx[5683].text 再來調查證據
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transcript.whisperx[5684].text 不是,就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5685].text 因為這也是個案
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transcript.whisperx[5686].text 不好意思,這還是個案
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transcript.whisperx[5687].text 但是我想因為憲法法庭的處理
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transcript.whisperx[5688].text 現在已經不是個案了
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transcript.whisperx[5689].text 好多法律都不被附屬
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transcript.whisperx[5690].text 是我們台灣現在的行政院長
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transcript.whisperx[5691].text 他不尊重我們立法權
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transcript.whisperx[5692].text 一個人
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transcript.whisperx[5693].text 就可以把兩千三百萬選出來的人民的立法院
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transcript.whisperx[5694].text 所通過的法律案預算案
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transcript.whisperx[5695].text 就不再附屬
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transcript.whisperx[5696].text 這個是明顯違憲
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transcript.whisperx[5697].text 所以已經是違法可以彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[5698].text 但我認為中間是有些爭議之所在
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transcript.whisperx[5699].text 因為我們法律人
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transcript.whisperx[5700].text 我們會對一個法律意見確實是會非常堅持的
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transcript.whisperx[5701].text 但是法律意見並不單一
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transcript.whisperx[5702].text 它有些就是爭議之所在
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transcript.whisperx[5703].text 所以我認為
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transcript.whisperx[5704].text 這也是我到監院之後
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transcript.whisperx[5705].text 我認為我處理事情
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transcript.whisperx[5706].text 我不要只有一個角度
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transcript.whisperx[5707].text 這也是之所以我辦理很多多言
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transcript.whisperx[5708].text 我認為要從不同的角度一起看
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transcript.whisperx[5709].text 我才會有一個勿忘勿重
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transcript.whisperx[5710].text 我法律人或許您問我
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transcript.whisperx[5711].text 我有一個法律意見我可以堅持
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transcript.whisperx[5712].text 但是我身為監委
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transcript.whisperx[5713].text 我就不該如此而已
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transcript.whisperx[5714].text 我一定要全面去看
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transcript.whisperx[5715].text 假設有憲法爭議
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transcript.whisperx[5716].text 我認為有個爭議在
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transcript.whisperx[5717].text 但每個人看法不一樣
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transcript.whisperx[5718].text 我認為這裡出現了一個爭議
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transcript.whisperx[5719].text 這個爭議又不是監法院可以處理的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5720].text 我想我們就要再看一下這個爭議的處理
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transcript.whisperx[5721].text 好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5722].text 另外一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[5723].text
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transcript.whisperx[5724].text 本黨主席柯文哲
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transcript.whisperx[5725].text 在偵查階段
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transcript.whisperx[5726].text 我們有偵查不公開嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5727].text 但是各位可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[5729].text 在偵查不公開這個原則之下
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transcript.whisperx[5730].text 竟然有一個媒體
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transcript.whisperx[5731].text 鏡周刊
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transcript.whisperx[5732].text 他幾乎是同時的發佈
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transcript.whisperx[5733].text 新聞甚至搶先
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transcript.whisperx[5734].text 發佈新聞這個有沒有
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transcript.whisperx[5735].text 違反偵查不公開
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transcript.whisperx[5736].text 其實偵查不公開
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transcript.whisperx[5737].text 我個人以前在法界的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5738].text 我就非常的注意
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transcript.whisperx[5739].text 非常重視
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transcript.whisperx[5740].text 注意而且重視
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transcript.whisperx[5741].text 你既然是
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transcript.whisperx[5742].text 不要在偵查階段
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transcript.whisperx[5743].text 這個是一個偵查不公開的階段
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transcript.whisperx[5744].text 你到底外界是如何得知的呢
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transcript.whisperx[5745].text 所以表示說您願意
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transcript.whisperx[5746].text 成為監委以後
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transcript.whisperx[5747].text 對於北檢
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transcript.whisperx[5748].text 針對柯文哲主席的案件
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transcript.whisperx[5749].text 那種訊息的外洩
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transcript.whisperx[5750].text 如果有人違法
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transcript.whisperx[5751].text 要彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[5752].text 有事情不對要糾正
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transcript.whisperx[5753].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[5754].text 因為我回到一個
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transcript.whisperx[5755].text 這會有個案的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5756].text 但是
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transcript.whisperx[5757].text 假設我們看到
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transcript.whisperx[5758].text 有違法失職的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5759].text 這個就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5760].text 我們調查就是
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transcript.whisperx[5761].text 你要有相當的事證
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transcript.whisperx[5762].text 包括偵查不公開這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[5763].text 他的外洩是怎麼樣的
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transcript.whisperx[5764].text 一個情況
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transcript.whisperx[5765].text 那個流向是如何的
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transcript.whisperx[5766].text 從哪裡流
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transcript.whisperx[5767].text 從哪裡出為什麼外界會知道
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transcript.whisperx[5768].text 現在媒體會先知道
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transcript.whisperx[5769].text 如此等等的
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transcript.whisperx[5770].text 這是一個偵查不公開的機制
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transcript.whisperx[5771].text 我想要被這個
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transcript.whisperx[5772].text 這是非常重要的一個原則
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transcript.whisperx[5773].text 非常重要的一個原則
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transcript.whisperx[5774].text 包括你們報告裡面第四頁有提到
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transcript.whisperx[5775].text 你有參與一個防治酷刑的機制
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transcript.whisperx[5776].text
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transcript.whisperx[5777].text 四行計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5778].text 聯合國人權組織它曾經
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transcript.whisperx[5779].text 認定
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transcript.whisperx[5780].text 邊刑
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transcript.whisperx[5782].text 你認為邊刑
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transcript.whisperx[5784].text 您認為如何
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transcript.whisperx[5785].text 我其實
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transcript.whisperx[5786].text 我自己針對我當時為什麼會
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transcript.whisperx[5787].text 雖然是第一年
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transcript.whisperx[5788].text 我對酷刑
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transcript.whisperx[5789].text 我是非常不能接受的
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transcript.whisperx[5790].text 所以我當時就參加了四行計畫
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transcript.whisperx[5791].text 我進行訪視
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transcript.whisperx[5792].text 我那個場次都是
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transcript.whisperx[5793].text 要去了解到
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transcript.whisperx[5794].text 它是不是有酷刑的發生
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transcript.whisperx[5795].text 等等的狀況
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transcript.whisperx[5796].text 在四行的刑法之下你都認為
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transcript.whisperx[5798].text 聯合國所認定的邊刑
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transcript.whisperx[5799].text 是否是您所講的酷刑
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transcript.whisperx[5801].text 邊刑是不是
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transcript.whisperx[5803].text 這個邊刑是放在哪一個
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transcript.whisperx[5805].text 司法邊刑
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transcript.whisperx[5806].text Judicial Kenning
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transcript.whisperx[5807].text 我覺得這個議題就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5808].text 我們現在很多法治面
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transcript.whisperx[5809].text 的問題我之前其實
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transcript.whisperx[5810].text 是有召集
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transcript.whisperx[5812].text 的議題
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transcript.whisperx[5813].text 外界會有所質疑但它要抓到
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transcript.whisperx[5814].text 它的核心價值
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transcript.whisperx[5815].text 就是說你今天是在
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transcript.whisperx[5816].text 外界會從人民的角度你犯了
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transcript.whisperx[5817].text 這麼重大的一個罪我是不是要
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transcript.whisperx[5818].text 施行嚴刑但是你換了一個角度
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transcript.whisperx[5819].text 還有是不是有人權的角度
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transcript.whisperx[5820].text 所以它必須是會在這一些
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transcript.whisperx[5821].text 價值裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5822].text 它做出一個權衡
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transcript.whisperx[5823].text 其實這個部分都賴這個
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transcript.whisperx[5824].text 你們這個有
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transcript.whisperx[5826].text 做這個法律的原因
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transcript.whisperx[5827].text 張律師您覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5828].text 邊刑是酷刑
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transcript.whisperx[5830].text 謝謝徐委員
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transcript.whisperx[5831].text 謝謝徐委員下一位請
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transcript.whisperx[5832].text 林楚英委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[5833].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[5834].text 謝謝主席主席有請張貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[5835].text 請張貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[5836].text 貝選
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transcript.whisperx[5837].text 這位您好
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transcript.whisperx[5838].text 在研讀過您的
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transcript.whisperx[5839].text 資金曆之後我知道其實您非常的
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transcript.whisperx[5840].text 關注有關於兒少
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transcript.whisperx[5841].text 權益的部分尤其是
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transcript.whisperx[5842].text 兒虐的部分那麼所以我想
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transcript.whisperx[5843].text 要就這部分來就教您
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transcript.whisperx[5844].text 因為本席其實也非常關注
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transcript.whisperx[5845].text 就是兒童尤其是
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transcript.whisperx[5846].text 兒少不論是性侵幼
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transcript.whisperx[5847].text 或者是不當對待的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5848].text 我知道您在2022年曾經
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transcript.whisperx[5849].text 針對幼兒園不當對待
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transcript.whisperx[5850].text 做過所謂通案的調查
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transcript.whisperx[5851].text 那麼在這個調查過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[5852].text 您總結了幾個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5853].text 包括就是法規跟調查
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transcript.whisperx[5854].text 的機制缺口
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transcript.whisperx[5856].text 相關的這個法規的不一致性
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transcript.whisperx[5857].text 常常會有出現
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transcript.whisperx[5859].text 所謂的整個
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transcript.whisperx[5860].text 調查的程序不一致
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transcript.whisperx[5861].text 另外當然就是
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transcript.whisperx[5862].text 稽查的量能的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5863].text 尤其在你的報告當中我特別發現
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transcript.whisperx[5864].text 您非常仔細的針對
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transcript.whisperx[5865].text 針對全國6885家的幼兒園
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transcript.whisperx[5866].text 但是事實上
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transcript.whisperx[5867].text 只有125位的
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transcript.whisperx[5868].text 稽查人力
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transcript.whisperx[5869].text 而超過五成是沒有專業背景
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transcript.whisperx[5870].text 而令我們感到
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transcript.whisperx[5871].text 其實非常震驚的一個數字
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transcript.whisperx[5872].text 就是
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transcript.whisperx[5874].text 對於兒童
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transcript.whisperx[5875].text 遭到不當對待的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5876].text 其實很多地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[5877].text 並沒有納入這相關的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5878].text 那麼對於這些
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transcript.whisperx[5879].text 其實該改進
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transcript.whisperx[5880].text 或者是補強的部分
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transcript.whisperx[5881].text 針對您在擔任監委到現在
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transcript.whisperx[5882].text 我們知道當然監察院在
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transcript.whisperx[5883].text 7月31號目前
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transcript.whisperx[5884].text 是已經算是整個
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transcript.whisperx[5885].text 沒有辦法再進行運作了
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transcript.whisperx[5886].text 可是在您過去一屆
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transcript.whisperx[5887].text 擔任監委的部分的時候您認為
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transcript.whisperx[5888].text 您所在調查報告當中
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transcript.whisperx[5889].text 所提出來的這些部分
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transcript.whisperx[5891].text 改善嗎
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transcript.whisperx[5892].text 另外就是我們知道
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transcript.whisperx[5893].text 最近受到民眾非常關注的
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transcript.whisperx[5894].text 像是凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[5895].text 又或者是這一陣子
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transcript.whisperx[5896].text 發生在台中市
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transcript.whisperx[5898].text 不當對待我們這些
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transcript.whisperx[5900].text 又或者是台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[5901].text 現在被認為是
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transcript.whisperx[5903].text 這些案件的發生其實
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transcript.whisperx[5904].text 都是在2022
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transcript.whisperx[5905].text 年年的報告之後
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transcript.whisperx[5907].text 關注兒少議題的人來講
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transcript.whisperx[5908].text 都會覺得說那麼監察院
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transcript.whisperx[5911].text 的時候那麼監委
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transcript.whisperx[5912].text 到底能不能發揮他的
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transcript.whisperx[5913].text 功用跟他的功能
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transcript.whisperx[5914].text 好的
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transcript.whisperx[5915].text 首先我想非常高興
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transcript.whisperx[5916].text 在關於兒虐的案子
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transcript.whisperx[5917].text 可以從不同的立法
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transcript.whisperx[5918].text 以及監察的角度大家能夠一起努力
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transcript.whisperx[5919].text 這是我感到非常高興的事情
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transcript.whisperx[5920].text 那現在就是關於這個兒虐
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transcript.whisperx[5921].text 的相關機制
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transcript.whisperx[5922].text 其實不管是凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[5923].text 這個我個人參與的
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transcript.whisperx[5924].text 或者您剛剛提到的不當管教
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transcript.whisperx[5925].text 他是一個系列性的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5926].text 那我個人都有參與
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transcript.whisperx[5927].text 以及包括其他的
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transcript.whisperx[5928].text 我個人在處理案件後
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transcript.whisperx[5929].text 我個人也會看一下
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transcript.whisperx[5930].text 其實個案有他個案的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5931].text 而產生機制的維持
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transcript.whisperx[5932].text 但是當很多案子在
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transcript.whisperx[5933].text 一起的時候他就會
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transcript.whisperx[5934].text 看到是比較全貌的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5935].text 所以首先我大致上
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transcript.whisperx[5936].text 我看到的一個就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5937].text 第一個就是說
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transcript.whisperx[5938].text 因為我們講法源是基本的
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transcript.whisperx[5939].text CRC或者是兒少權法
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transcript.whisperx[5940].text 我們講兒童最佳利益
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transcript.whisperx[5941].text 但什麼是兒童最佳利益
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transcript.whisperx[5942].text 包括我們看到都沒有落實
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transcript.whisperx[5943].text 像社安網的一組則多協力
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transcript.whisperx[5944].text 其實凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[5945].text 貪嗜在三個服務體系之下
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transcript.whisperx[5946].text 都還受虐致死
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transcript.whisperx[5947].text 他是令人痛心至極的感覺
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transcript.whisperx[5948].text 是他等於是一層一層的防護網
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transcript.whisperx[5949].text 其實全部都失靈了
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transcript.whisperx[5950].text 從地方政府再到
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transcript.whisperx[5951].text 稽查員再到造福的單位
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transcript.whisperx[5952].text 是是所以你空有這些
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transcript.whisperx[5953].text 機制可是你失靈了
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transcript.whisperx[5954].text 這就是一個很大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5955].text 再者還有訪視
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transcript.whisperx[5956].text 能不能確實落實
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transcript.whisperx[5957].text 還是只是形式
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transcript.whisperx[5958].text 再者還有像有些父母他有要因
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transcript.whisperx[5959].text 他有要因你要有一個風險的預報
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transcript.whisperx[5960].text 叫預警制度
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transcript.whisperx[5961].text 可是這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[5962].text 偽證跟設證我們看到會有斷點
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transcript.whisperx[5963].text 再來一個就是稽查
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transcript.whisperx[5964].text 其實稽查涉及到常常說
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transcript.whisperx[5965].text 我們說稽查不利
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transcript.whisperx[5966].text 其實稽查涉及很多層面的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5967].text 一個是人力這個是我們在調查案件裡面
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transcript.whisperx[5968].text 很多地方政府都一再被
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transcript.whisperx[5969].text 提出可是一再沒有被改進
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transcript.whisperx[5970].text 就是人太少了
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transcript.whisperx[5971].text 而且他人太少你就會
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transcript.whisperx[5972].text 沒有專業的問題
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transcript.whisperx[5973].text 不是你去查就好你不同的案型
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transcript.whisperx[5974].text 他要有專業的
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transcript.whisperx[5975].text 再者就是說他還是要專任
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transcript.whisperx[5976].text 因為很多他是
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transcript.whisperx[5977].text 流動的你流動的就沒有專業
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transcript.whisperx[5978].text 所以就是說我
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transcript.whisperx[5979].text 我現在就來查一次我下次就不是
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transcript.whisperx[5980].text 我了所以都會產生這些問題
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transcript.whisperx[5981].text 所以這都是我們在
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transcript.whisperx[5982].text 兒女案件裡面有看到
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transcript.whisperx[5983].text 的很多缺失問題
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transcript.whisperx[5984].text 那這些缺失問題我們其實是
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transcript.whisperx[5985].text 有藉由後續的追蹤
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transcript.whisperx[5986].text 我們希望能夠達到
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transcript.whisperx[5987].text 因為行政機關他們要改進
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transcript.whisperx[5988].text 其實我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[5989].text 監察院的存在就是要要求
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transcript.whisperx[5990].text 行政機關不可以
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transcript.whisperx[5991].text 覺得說我行政就最大
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transcript.whisperx[5992].text 當你在行政帶動的時候
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transcript.whisperx[5993].text 後面還有監察院
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transcript.whisperx[5994].text 會針對你們在行政權
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transcript.whisperx[5995].text 上的為師來做監察
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transcript.whisperx[5996].text 但是本席大家為什麼
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transcript.whisperx[5997].text 特別提到了台北市發生夏立思
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transcript.whisperx[5998].text 這樣的事情喔根據
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transcript.whisperx[5999].text 2023年案發到現在
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transcript.whisperx[6000].text 台北市政府的1999
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transcript.whisperx[6001].text 已經收到了13件的陳情
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transcript.whisperx[6002].text 但是台北市政府都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6003].text 積極的作為直到他同樣
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transcript.whisperx[6004].text 的一個系統發生了問題
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transcript.whisperx[6005].text 而且家長站出來
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transcript.whisperx[6006].text 才讓這個事件被媒體
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transcript.whisperx[6007].text 重視甚至於台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[6008].text 現在未來檢視但我要
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transcript.whisperx[6009].text 強調的就是我擔心
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transcript.whisperx[6010].text 現在如果藍白
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transcript.whisperx[6011].text 聯手讓監委持續
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transcript.whisperx[6012].text 的無法運作的時候那是不是
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transcript.whisperx[6013].text 等於縱容了台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[6014].text 在這個案件上就可以
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transcript.whisperx[6015].text 完全的蓋牌他
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transcript.whisperx[6016].text 讓他不受到監督
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transcript.whisperx[6017].text 因為我曾經跟其中一位
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transcript.whisperx[6018].text 夏立思的家長同台
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transcript.whisperx[6019].text 你要知道家長他們的
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transcript.whisperx[6020].text 追星之痛是他們認為
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transcript.whisperx[6021].text 他們花了大錢送孩子
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transcript.whisperx[6022].text 一年花了80萬
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transcript.whisperx[6023].text 但是卻送到台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[6024].text 不作為的這樣的一個幼兒園
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transcript.whisperx[6025].text 去受凝虐
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transcript.whisperx[6026].text 我現在擔憂的是如果沒有了
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transcript.whisperx[6027].text 監察院沒有了監委
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transcript.whisperx[6028].text 那麼是不是台北市政府
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transcript.whisperx[6029].text 就讓這樣的一個違法
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transcript.whisperx[6030].text 虐待兒童的這樣的一個
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transcript.whisperx[6031].text 院長或者是組織
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transcript.whisperx[6032].text 就繼續存續下去
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transcript.whisperx[6033].text 其實我想委員提到一個
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transcript.whisperx[6034].text 非常重要的一個點
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transcript.whisperx[6035].text 如果今天沒有監察院
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transcript.whisperx[6036].text 外界一再在討論
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transcript.whisperx[6037].text 監察院存廢的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6038].text 有一個部分一定是
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transcript.whisperx[6039].text 他的核心問題就是監察權
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transcript.whisperx[6040].text 的存在你監察權如果
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transcript.whisperx[6041].text 不存在的話公務機關
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transcript.whisperx[6042].text 公務人員的違法失職
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transcript.whisperx[6043].text 監督制衡完全
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transcript.whisperx[6044].text 是沒有的
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transcript.whisperx[6045].text 大家就可以試想
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transcript.whisperx[6046].text 委員剛才都有提出到他的情況
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transcript.whisperx[6048].text 監察權他是一個不可或缺
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transcript.whisperx[6049].text 他必須存在
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transcript.whisperx[6050].text 但是遺憾的是我今天站在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[6051].text 監察權就已經是
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transcript.whisperx[6052].text 空窗了是他已經是
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transcript.whisperx[6053].text 空窗我在7月31
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transcript.whisperx[6055].text 被提名人的身份站在這裡
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transcript.whisperx[6056].text 但是我遺憾至極
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transcript.whisperx[6057].text 因為現在他就屬於空窗期
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transcript.whisperx[6058].text 監察權就是屬於一個
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transcript.whisperx[6059].text 沒有辦法行使的幾個情況
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transcript.whisperx[6060].text 他影響到的
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transcript.whisperx[6061].text 最後被影響到
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transcript.whisperx[6062].text 人民懲刑的案件完全
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transcript.whisperx[6063].text 是沒有辦法救濟的
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transcript.whisperx[6064].text 我想大家一定要思考這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6065].text 人民的權益何在
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transcript.whisperx[6066].text 你監察權讓他不存在
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transcript.whisperx[6067].text 人民的權益何在
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transcript.whisperx[6068].text 這是我感到非常要被討論的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6069].text 大家不能只討論監察院的存廢
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transcript.whisperx[6070].text 那至於我個人
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transcript.whisperx[6071].text 我只要是續任
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transcript.whisperx[6072].text 當然空窗我沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[6073].text 我續任的話一定堅守
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transcript.whisperx[6074].text 我自己的這個
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transcript.whisperx[6075].text 職權行使 獨立行使
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transcript.whisperx[6076].text 這是我向來
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transcript.whisperx[6077].text 我從當律師 我當監委
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transcript.whisperx[6078].text 到以後 這是我的態度
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transcript.whisperx[6079].text 沒有人會影響到我的態度的
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transcript.whisperx[6080].text 這是我的
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transcript.whisperx[6081].text 張貝廷宜人的這樣的一個想法
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transcript.whisperx[6082].text 跟講法 因為我們都知道
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transcript.whisperx[6083].text 行政 立法 司法 法治
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transcript.whisperx[6084].text 監察 我們知道的是
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transcript.whisperx[6085].text 司法系統有他針對
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transcript.whisperx[6086].text 這一個夏立思這樣的一個幼兒園
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transcript.whisperx[6087].text 他的整個法律的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6088].text 包括他兒虐不當對待的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6089].text 他的刑責
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transcript.whisperx[6090].text 可是這已經牽涉到的是地方政府
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transcript.whisperx[6091].text 尤其是地方的教育局
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transcript.whisperx[6092].text 在案發之後
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transcript.whisperx[6093].text 接受到了1999
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transcript.whisperx[6094].text 超過13通
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transcript.whisperx[6095].text 的申訴的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6096].text 他的不積極 他的不作為
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transcript.whisperx[6097].text 他恐怕不是司法機構
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transcript.whisperx[6098].text 可以第一線來做處理
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transcript.whisperx[6099].text 就需要監察權
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transcript.whisperx[6100].text 另外最後一點點時間
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transcript.whisperx[6101].text 我要跟你們討論的是
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transcript.whisperx[6102].text 我們都知道我們要保護
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transcript.whisperx[6103].text 兒少的權益
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transcript.whisperx[6104].text 但是保護兒少權益
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transcript.whisperx[6105].text 並不能成為
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transcript.whisperx[6106].text 加害者的保護傘
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transcript.whisperx[6107].text 因為在許多的兒少案件當中
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transcript.whisperx[6108].text 本來是來自於媒體
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transcript.whisperx[6109].text 媒體受限於
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transcript.whisperx[6110].text 兒少的保護
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transcript.whisperx[6111].text 很多時候的加害人
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transcript.whisperx[6112].text 因為你不能去對他做進一步的報導
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transcript.whisperx[6113].text 導致於這個加害人
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transcript.whisperx[6114].text 就逃掉了
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transcript.whisperx[6115].text 甚至於家長在不知情的情況下
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transcript.whisperx[6116].text 把孩子送進去
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transcript.whisperx[6117].text 我今天不是來跟你討論修法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6118].text 而是要跟你討論的是說
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transcript.whisperx[6119].text 在地方政府如果沒有辦法
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transcript.whisperx[6120].text 第一時間給媒體
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transcript.whisperx[6121].text 在參觀單位報導權的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6122].text 這個是等於是揚入虎口
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transcript.whisperx[6123].text 而且讓這些違法
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transcript.whisperx[6124].text 的幼兒組織
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transcript.whisperx[6126].text 有機會能夠持續的行惡
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transcript.whisperx[6127].text 那就監委的角度
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transcript.whisperx[6128].text 你怎麼來看這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6129].text 就是跟不揭露之間
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transcript.whisperx[6130].text 他這條尺是如何
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transcript.whisperx[6131].text 是其實這個是兒少權法
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transcript.whisperx[6132].text 的六九條相關的一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6133].text 它其實
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transcript.whisperx[6134].text 我們監察院在處理像
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transcript.whisperx[6135].text 兒少或性平事件
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transcript.whisperx[6136].text 我們在報告
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transcript.whisperx[6137].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6138].text 好 我們謝謝被提名的人
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transcript.whisperx[6139].text 時間到了
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transcript.whisperx[6140].text 請下一位
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transcript.whisperx[6141].text 紐約許廷委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6142].text 謝謝主席張被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6144].text 好 午安 辛苦了
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transcript.whisperx[6145].text 今天是監察委員的
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transcript.whisperx[6146].text 同意選擇相關的一個質詢
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transcript.whisperx[6147].text 稍早早上的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6148].text 我曾經質詢過院長被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6149].text 時間的關係我們沒有辦法多探討
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transcript.whisperx[6150].text 監察院在政治實務上
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transcript.whisperx[6151].text 一些角色的扮演
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transcript.whisperx[6152].text 我們多花時間討論憲政的奮進
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transcript.whisperx[6153].text 監察院的社會形象
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transcript.whisperx[6154].text 跟大家對監察院的期待
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transcript.whisperx[6155].text 我們就花一點時間聽一聽你的意見
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transcript.whisperx[6156].text 這個我開宗明義
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transcript.whisperx[6157].text 我就請你主動回答
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transcript.whisperx[6158].text 請問我們被提名人能不能舉幾個例子
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transcript.whisperx[6159].text 就是說幾個重大的社會矚目案件
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transcript.whisperx[6160].text 比如說像之前講兒虐
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transcript.whisperx[6161].text 或是最近的食安用油
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transcript.whisperx[6162].text 有這樣重大的一個弊案
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transcript.whisperx[6163].text 那是經過
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transcript.whisperx[6164].text 監察院發動
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transcript.whisperx[6165].text 然後因為監察院的調查
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transcript.whisperx[6166].text 發動快速的調查
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transcript.whisperx[6167].text 強勢的處理
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transcript.whisperx[6168].text 然後才為社會大眾所周知的
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transcript.whisperx[6169].text 有沒有幾個這樣子的案你可以跟大家分享
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transcript.whisperx[6170].text 我但我有個人認知的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6171].text 就是說所謂大家矚目的案件
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transcript.whisperx[6172].text 像剛才講到的幾個兒虐案
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transcript.whisperx[6173].text 我想大家都一個是凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[6174].text 以及像南投校長詮釋性侵
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transcript.whisperx[6175].text 好像大家都會
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transcript.whisperx[6176].text 這個是一個受到大家關切跟矚目的案件
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transcript.whisperx[6177].text 以及食品安全
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transcript.whisperx[6178].text 食安的一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[6179].text 這些我看你的報告
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transcript.whisperx[6180].text 你寫你辦了很多案子
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transcript.whisperx[6181].text 這個我分析
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transcript.whisperx[6182].text 所以你寫你辦了很多案子
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transcript.whisperx[6183].text 所以您提到的是
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transcript.whisperx[6184].text 像公安的部分像台鐵這個
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transcript.whisperx[6185].text 發生重大災害
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transcript.whisperx[6186].text 造成死亡我們彈劾了相關的
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transcript.whisperx[6187].text 首長跟救生
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transcript.whisperx[6188].text 我知道這些案件比如說你剛剛也很多
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transcript.whisperx[6189].text 比如說巴德的天花板掉下來啊
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transcript.whisperx[6190].text 這個都是沒有錯的
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transcript.whisperx[6191].text 但這個事情都是由悲劇發生
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transcript.whisperx[6192].text 而且立刻性的畫面就讓全國周知
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transcript.whisperx[6193].text 然後大家就會同步進行調查
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transcript.whisperx[6194].text 立法院這邊當然就會針對相關的一些
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transcript.whisperx[6195].text 私政的缺失我們就安排專案包安排質詢
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transcript.whisperx[6196].text 然後會啟動調查的程序
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transcript.whisperx[6197].text 這個沒有關係我要問的是
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transcript.whisperx[6198].text 是由你監察因為監察院有監察跟調查之權
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transcript.whisperx[6199].text 有些時候這個可以調院內部的這個文件
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transcript.whisperx[6200].text 等等審核相關的一些決算
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transcript.whisperx[6201].text 這個能夠掌握真正
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transcript.whisperx[6202].text 私政的維持的強度其實是比立法院高很多的
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transcript.whisperx[6203].text 也就是為什麼這社會大眾
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transcript.whisperx[6204].text 其實對監察院的期待
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transcript.whisperx[6205].text 是叫你打弊案
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transcript.whisperx[6206].text 因為你能看到的東西可能比立法院看到的還多
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transcript.whisperx[6207].text 所以說我剛剛問的是
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transcript.whisperx[6208].text 從監察院發動
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transcript.whisperx[6209].text 因為你的調查報告出來
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transcript.whisperx[6210].text 所以你會開始關注這個案子
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transcript.whisperx[6211].text 然後你還伴隨著這個
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transcript.whisperx[6212].text 因為你調查報告已經出來啦
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transcript.whisperx[6213].text 成果已經出來啦你還強力的執法
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transcript.whisperx[6214].text 強勢的處理然後讓社會大眾覺得
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transcript.whisperx[6215].text 因為有監察院的存在
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transcript.whisperx[6216].text 因為監察院的主動調查主動的報告
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transcript.whisperx[6217].text 接到的弊案搞定了弊案
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transcript.whisperx[6218].text 懲戒了壞蛋讓這個社會的公道得以彰顯
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transcript.whisperx[6219].text 我要聽的是這樣的案例有嗎
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transcript.whisperx[6220].text 我從我的理解
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transcript.whisperx[6221].text 其實是
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transcript.whisperx[6222].text 監察調查我想也趁這個機會
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transcript.whisperx[6223].text 跟大家去說明
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transcript.whisperx[6224].text 監察調查他是一個事後的監督
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transcript.whisperx[6225].text 很多外界的質疑
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transcript.whisperx[6226].text 我想是一個虛心要檢討的一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6227].text 有信任的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6228].text 有監督的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6229].text 但是監察職權
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transcript.whisperx[6230].text 他是一個我必須要說明
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transcript.whisperx[6231].text 因為各位可以試想
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transcript.whisperx[6232].text 一個案件的發生
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transcript.whisperx[6233].text 大家是最被關注的
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transcript.whisperx[6234].text 這個時間點
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transcript.whisperx[6235].text 大家看到了一個重大災害的一個發生
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transcript.whisperx[6236].text 可是監察院像我個人
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transcript.whisperx[6237].text 我認為這個案子需要立案
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transcript.whisperx[6238].text 我就進入立案的一個過程
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transcript.whisperx[6239].text 立案的過程之後
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transcript.whisperx[6240].text 我們有各項的調查作為
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transcript.whisperx[6241].text 我已經近期可能的
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transcript.whisperx[6242].text 我從延溪我到調卷
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transcript.whisperx[6243].text 很仔細的辦案
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transcript.whisperx[6244].text 這個我都肯定
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transcript.whisperx[6245].text 也就是說我們
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transcript.whisperx[6246].text 有需要一個時間的辦案
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transcript.whisperx[6247].text 我即便如何快
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transcript.whisperx[6248].text 我不可能是在第一個時間
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transcript.whisperx[6249].text 我之所以會問這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6250].text 不好意思我打斷你一下
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transcript.whisperx[6251].text 我知道你講你有你的一個詳細
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transcript.whisperx[6252].text 當然我們調查都很認真
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transcript.whisperx[6253].text 這個我不會否定你的努力
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transcript.whisperx[6254].text 問題就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6255].text 因為這個大家的報告都會寫
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transcript.whisperx[6256].text 每一年監察院的人民懲刑的數量
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transcript.whisperx[6257].text 數十萬件
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transcript.whisperx[6258].text 其實很多的弊案也就在吹哨者
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transcript.whisperx[6259].text 都會對監察院有所期待
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transcript.whisperx[6260].text 都藏在裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6261].text 所以你剛講純然只有做事後調查
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transcript.whisperx[6262].text 這本行不見得同意
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transcript.whisperx[6263].text 很多時候來找立法委員的懲刑
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transcript.whisperx[6264].text 說政府有重大維持
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transcript.whisperx[6265].text 他其實同步都告訴了監察院
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transcript.whisperx[6266].text 所以我才覺得以監察院相關的量能
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transcript.whisperx[6267].text 跟調查的手段
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transcript.whisperx[6268].text 你其實完全可以事前的掌握
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transcript.whisperx[6270].text 當然你都做事後調查
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transcript.whisperx[6271].text 這個我不會否定你
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transcript.whisperx[6272].text 但是我也舉個例子
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transcript.whisperx[6273].text 比如說經貿談判辦公室的霸凌案
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transcript.whisperx[6274].text 顏蕙欣副代表是2026年3月就辭職了
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transcript.whisperx[6275].text 過世了之後案子才爆開
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transcript.whisperx[6276].text 立法院追這個案子追了好幾個月
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transcript.whisperx[6277].text 然後7月2號行政院直接做處分
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transcript.whisperx[6278].text 把楊貞妮政委給免職
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transcript.whisperx[6279].text 然後你的報告
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transcript.whisperx[6280].text 是到7月29號才出來
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transcript.whisperx[6281].text 我現在擔心的是這件事情
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transcript.whisperx[6282].text 也藉這個機會跟被提名來做一個分享
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transcript.whisperx[6283].text 人民對於監察院之所以
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transcript.whisperx[6284].text 已經有點心灰意冷了
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transcript.whisperx[6285].text 反正是盲腸嘛
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transcript.whisperx[6286].text 其實很大的原因是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6287].text 你每年辦很多案件你也都非常認真
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transcript.whisperx[6288].text 但是問題是你沒有從頭到尾
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transcript.whisperx[6289].text 善差於一前
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transcript.whisperx[6290].text 從沒有人下手的地方去掌握
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transcript.whisperx[6291].text 然後辦到一個案子讓大家都關注到
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transcript.whisperx[6292].text 而且彰顯的社會公道
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transcript.whisperx[6293].text 我想這是有誤會的地方
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transcript.whisperx[6294].text 這是誤會
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transcript.whisperx[6295].text 我現在我才請你舉一個例子
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transcript.whisperx[6296].text 我請你舉一個例子的原因是
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transcript.whisperx[6298].text 是說我們會尊重
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transcript.whisperx[6299].text 願意政策的執行我們會尊重
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transcript.whisperx[6301].text 發生問題
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transcript.whisperx[6302].text 那就是我們監察權要處理的地方
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transcript.whisperx[6303].text 不是說我們慢半拍
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transcript.whisperx[6304].text 不是那個意思啊
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transcript.whisperx[6305].text 這就是監察職權的一個本質啊
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transcript.whisperx[6307].text 所以再來我講外界真的是誤會了
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transcript.whisperx[6309].text 是150多件
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transcript.whisperx[6310].text 我沒有講你辦的很少啊
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transcript.whisperx[6311].text 你再偷懶我的意思是說
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transcript.whisperx[6312].text 你辦案你總要找重大主辦
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transcript.whisperx[6314].text 這因為很多委員每一個機構問你
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transcript.whisperx[6315].text 監察院存廢的立場什麼大家在這邊講半天
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transcript.whisperx[6316].text 對吧可是真正民間的觀感是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6317].text 這是你
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transcript.whisperx[6320].text 我們是這個地方我跟這個背景的人做一下分享
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transcript.whisperx[6321].text 民意的信任我想
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transcript.whisperx[6322].text 絕對需要虛心檢討的
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transcript.whisperx[6323].text 但是我個人其實是
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transcript.whisperx[6324].text 針對其實不管是
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transcript.whisperx[6325].text 像我們剛剛提到的一些案型
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transcript.whisperx[6326].text 我辦理非常多的一個案型
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transcript.whisperx[6327].text 我是認為真的
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transcript.whisperx[6328].text 我是認真負責
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transcript.whisperx[6329].text 吳慧雲這前面一個任期
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transcript.whisperx[6330].text 這個到最後
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transcript.whisperx[6331].text 為什麼講人民對監察院沒什麼印象
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transcript.whisperx[6332].text 結果唯一有印象這我就跟你討論一下
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transcript.whisperx[6333].text 監察院的公務車濫用的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6334].text 2025年這個
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transcript.whisperx[6335].text 秘書長李俊義他已經辭職了
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transcript.whisperx[6336].text 還有王龍章監委田秋吉監委
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transcript.whisperx[6337].text 林運榮監委蘇立雄等人
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transcript.whisperx[6338].text 也許有走在灰色地帶吧
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transcript.whisperx[6339].text 也許是所謂的違法使用
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transcript.whisperx[6340].text 監察院的公務車量情勢
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transcript.whisperx[6341].text 這細節我就不再多贅述了
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transcript.whisperx[6343].text 不管是接送子女跑機場
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transcript.whisperx[6344].text 送寵物美容理髮看牙
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transcript.whisperx[6345].text 有沒有符合執行公務的原則
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transcript.whisperx[6346].text 其實委員您剛剛提到的
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transcript.whisperx[6347].text 公務車案就是
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transcript.whisperx[6348].text 監察院已經有做處理
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transcript.whisperx[6350].text 我們有個相關的法源的依據
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transcript.whisperx[6351].text 去做了一個處理
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transcript.whisperx[6352].text 從紀律委員會審議過
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transcript.whisperx[6353].text 已經送院會審議通過
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transcript.whisperx[6354].text 後來就是大家已經看到
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transcript.whisperx[6355].text 外界看到的包括對於委員的
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transcript.whisperx[6356].text 相關的一個處分
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transcript.whisperx[6357].text 已經有處分
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transcript.whisperx[6358].text 以及我們認為
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transcript.whisperx[6359].text 我們辦理一個個案
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transcript.whisperx[6360].text 我們也要去看到
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transcript.whisperx[6361].text 我們不希望有下面的個案
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transcript.whisperx[6362].text 所以就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6363].text 也請秘書處從法規面
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transcript.whisperx[6364].text 跟制度面
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transcript.whisperx[6365].text 要有監察修正
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transcript.whisperx[6366].text 委員您剛剛提到的
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transcript.whisperx[6367].text 監察院確實我們是直施奉獻
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transcript.whisperx[6369].text 妥善的行使
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transcript.whisperx[6371].text 但是其實是符合的
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transcript.whisperx[6372].text 我想基本上就是
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transcript.whisperx[6373].text 也沒有要去救助
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transcript.whisperx[6374].text 我之所以問你這個問題的原因
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transcript.whisperx[6375].text 就是因為你是當初紀律委員會的委員之一
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transcript.whisperx[6377].text 你的立場是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6378].text 在討論這件事情的時候你的主張是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6380].text 因為那是一個紀律委員會審議的過程
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transcript.whisperx[6381].text 那個並沒有對外
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transcript.whisperx[6382].text 我個人是一個法律人
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transcript.whisperx[6383].text 我針對相關的規範
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transcript.whisperx[6384].text 我研究的非常的仔細
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transcript.whisperx[6385].text 我經過整個規範
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transcript.whisperx[6386].text 整個嚴格去看
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transcript.whisperx[6387].text 然後做出我的法律意見
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transcript.whisperx[6388].text 我大概只能是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6389].text 不好意思給大家說明
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transcript.whisperx[6391].text 就不變了
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transcript.whisperx[6392].text 我一樣是要提醒被提名人這裡
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transcript.whisperx[6393].text 今天站在這邊難得一次
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transcript.whisperx[6394].text 所以我今天在做名義檢驗的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6395].text 雖然是間接的一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[6396].text 大家都在講
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transcript.whisperx[6400].text 其實紀律委員會就是最後一道防線
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transcript.whisperx[6403].text 他其實就是這樣
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transcript.whisperx[6404].text 因為到了最後紀律委員會的決議
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transcript.whisperx[6405].text 然後院會通過向院會道歉
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transcript.whisperx[6406].text 然後觸其注意
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transcript.whisperx[6407].text 然後就沒有然後了
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transcript.whisperx[6409].text 所以沒有法律尊重我尊重
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transcript.whisperx[6410].text 但是你符不符合名義的期待
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transcript.whisperx[6411].text 其實名義期待當然是一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6415].text 每一個個案
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transcript.whisperx[6416].text 即便不同的委員
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transcript.whisperx[6417].text 他所他涉及到一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6418].text 都不一樣的
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transcript.whisperx[6419].text 那就是要尊重處理的委員他的一個調查
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transcript.whisperx[6422].text 這是我當律師到監委我一貫這個的
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transcript.whisperx[6424].text 我想提醒一下因為你也是法律人
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transcript.whisperx[6425].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[6426].text 曾經有女警開巡邏車接送男友判刑三個月
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transcript.whisperx[6427].text 消防局長駕駛救災指揮車到台中辦理
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transcript.whisperx[6428].text 實施判刑一年
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transcript.whisperx[6429].text 消防隊隊長騎乘警用機車上下班判刑一年六個月
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transcript.whisperx[6430].text 這是其實在公務員上
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transcript.whisperx[6431].text 也有濫用公務車這樣的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6432].text 但是標準是否真的一致
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transcript.whisperx[6433].text 我覺得社會大眾自有公斷
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transcript.whisperx[6434].text 我今天在這個地方不外乎就是一個
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transcript.whisperx[6435].text 跟民意間接對話的機會
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transcript.whisperx[6436].text 所以我把民間對於監察院的諸多質疑
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transcript.whisperx[6437].text 第一個是辦案有沒有發揮查弊的功能
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transcript.whisperx[6438].text 第二個是在發生危機事件的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6440].text 這些東西其實都值得社會多再做思考
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transcript.whisperx[6441].text 也請被提門思考一下
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transcript.whisperx[6442].text 好謝謝牛委員
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transcript.whisperx[6443].text 下一位請審發會委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6444].text 主席我們請張被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6445].text 好張醫師你好
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transcript.whisperx[6446].text 這個我想張醫師過去具有
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transcript.whisperx[6447].text 這個深厚的法律實務經驗
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transcript.whisperx[6466].text 以我看到的資料
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transcript.whisperx[6468].text 你參與了這個
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transcript.whisperx[6489].text 我看到這個我們
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transcript.whisperx[6493].text 多達一百四十三件
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transcript.whisperx[6495].text 那我這個資料還少
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transcript.whisperx[6497].text 糾取案一件
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transcript.whisperx[6511].text 你在未來如果你有機會
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transcript.whisperx[6514].text 這是我
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transcript.whisperx[6515].text 接下來是幾個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6519].text 這個有關兒少保護跟校園安全的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6524].text 那這個我想請問就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6528].text 這個是通報呢
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transcript.whisperx[6536].text 這個預防
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transcript.whisperx[6537].text 這部分是不是能夠請張律師
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transcript.whisperx[6539].text 好的謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6542].text 其實因為我個人參與
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transcript.whisperx[6543].text 我從當律師的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6547].text 你沒有法律就沒有依循
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transcript.whisperx[6548].text 就談不到後面
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transcript.whisperx[6551].text 監委這個任內的時候
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transcript.whisperx[6552].text 其實我辦理的也是不只是
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transcript.whisperx[6553].text 一個單一的個案
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transcript.whisperx[6554].text 包括我辦理的凱凱案
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transcript.whisperx[6555].text 我每次提我想這是非常令人痛心的一個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6556].text 再者是
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transcript.whisperx[6557].text 系列性的一個案件
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transcript.whisperx[6558].text 所以在裡面委員您剛才提到的就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6560].text 我辦完一個個案
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transcript.whisperx[6562].text 其實我會自己整體性在思考
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transcript.whisperx[6570].text 像社安網就是幾個服務體系
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transcript.whisperx[6571].text 一個事件的發生
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transcript.whisperx[6574].text 竟然還發生兒虐致死
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transcript.whisperx[6575].text 這問題在哪裡
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transcript.whisperx[6581].text 等等的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6583].text 一定要針對
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transcript.whisperx[6587].text 你一定要改啊
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transcript.whisperx[6588].text 我跟您一定要下面一個
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transcript.whisperx[6589].text 過去我們確實在監察院發揮一定的功能
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transcript.whisperx[6592].text 這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[6593].text 我們就有後續的
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transcript.whisperx[6595].text 也就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6596].text 我們現在發現了這樣的為師
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transcript.whisperx[6598].text 行政機關你的行政改革
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transcript.whisperx[6600].text 是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[6609].text 那就可以進到下一步的彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[6620].text 是非常專業
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transcript.whisperx[6622].text 可以看出你過去的努力
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transcript.whisperx[6623].text 但是在回答裡面
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transcript.whisperx[6626].text 剛才這個其他委員的詢問當中
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transcript.whisperx[6627].text 也提到了我們有關
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transcript.whisperx[6629].text 跟他行使
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transcript.whisperx[6630].text 所以我在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[6632].text 因為你是第六屆
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transcript.whisperx[6634].text 所以我想請問你
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transcript.whisperx[6635].text 目前之前
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transcript.whisperx[6638].text 就是你們的這個面臨這個
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transcript.whisperx[6639].text 預算不足
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transcript.whisperx[6640].text 幾乎預算被立法院
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transcript.whisperx[6641].text 這邊幾乎是刪除到
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transcript.whisperx[6642].text 無法運作
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transcript.whisperx[6643].text 那這個未來
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transcript.whisperx[6644].text 很有可能在面臨更大的問題
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transcript.whisperx[6645].text 就是有關人事同意權的僵局
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transcript.whisperx[6646].text 如果人事同意權僵局
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transcript.whisperx[6647].text 持續下去那有可能會變成
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transcript.whisperx[6651].text 過去也曾經發生過
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transcript.whisperx[6656].text 也做出過
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transcript.whisperx[6657].text 這個釋字第632號
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transcript.whisperx[6658].text 也曾經就針對這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6659].text 他認為說憲政機關不能夠
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transcript.whisperx[6663].text 就是因為你是
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transcript.whisperx[6664].text 自己曾經擔任過
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transcript.whisperx[6668].text 目前我們在憲政體制上面
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transcript.whisperx[6669].text 監察院它就是一個存在的職權
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transcript.whisperx[6673].text 由監察院來行使最高的監察權力
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transcript.whisperx[6676].text 使我們這個監察院
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transcript.whisperx[6677].text 實質上癱瘓停擺
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transcript.whisperx[6678].text 那我想了解以你過去
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transcript.whisperx[6679].text 在監察院你所經過的
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transcript.whisperx[6680].text 這樣子如果真正這樣停擺了
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transcript.whisperx[6682].text 實質上面的傷害
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transcript.whisperx[6684].text 我今天已被提名人身份在這邊
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transcript.whisperx[6685].text 可是我是在7月31號就卸任了
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transcript.whisperx[6689].text 空窗
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transcript.whisperx[6691].text 我們提出的像有些彈劾
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transcript.whisperx[6692].text 送到懲戒法院判決的案件
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transcript.whisperx[6693].text 判決出來
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transcript.whisperx[6694].text 如果是上訴是有不便期間的
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transcript.whisperx[6695].text 沒有監委這個部分沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6697].text 這是已經產生一個空窗期
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transcript.whisperx[6700].text 你期間過了
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transcript.whisperx[6701].text 其實你是不能進
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transcript.whisperx[6702].text 你就會被免疫掉的
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transcript.whisperx[6703].text 張醫師你所談的還是這些
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transcript.whisperx[6706].text 但是事實上人民的懲刑
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transcript.whisperx[6707].text 會變成你完全你沒有
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transcript.whisperx[6708].text 懲刑就會
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transcript.whisperx[6712].text 為什麼人民的權益是可以被判決到
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transcript.whisperx[6713].text 事實上如果監察院因為人是同意
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transcript.whisperx[6715].text 他真正受到最大的損害是人民的權益
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transcript.whisperx[6716].text 而且四至六三二
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transcript.whisperx[6717].text 就是說
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transcript.whisperx[6718].text 監察院身為核心機關
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transcript.whisperx[6719].text 運作必須是實質的
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transcript.whisperx[6720].text 存續跟正常運行
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transcript.whisperx[6721].text 就是委員您剛剛提到的
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transcript.whisperx[6722].text 不算的砍掉
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transcript.whisperx[6723].text 那就是讓他實質不能運作
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transcript.whisperx[6724].text 這是有違反事件的關係
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transcript.whisperx[6725].text 這事件要到
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transcript.whisperx[6726].text 整體而言我覺得張醫師過去六年
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transcript.whisperx[6727].text 表現是值得我們高度肯定
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transcript.whisperx[6728].text 我們也期待說這個
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transcript.whisperx[6729].text 張醫師如果能夠獲得立法院的
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transcript.whisperx[6730].text 同意續任
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transcript.whisperx[6731].text 我們能夠繼續延續過去六年的
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transcript.whisperx[6732].text 實務經驗跟人權的視野
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transcript.whisperx[6733].text 能夠讓監察權能夠繼續
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transcript.whisperx[6734].text 強化下去
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transcript.whisperx[6735].text 謝謝您
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transcript.whisperx[6736].text 好謝謝沈委員
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transcript.whisperx[6737].text 謝謝被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6738].text 包括全體委員會
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transcript.whisperx[6739].text 對監察委員被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6740].text 張菊芳詢答部分到此為止
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transcript.whisperx[6741].text 謝謝張被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6742].text 列席答詢
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transcript.whisperx[6743].text 報告全院委員會休息五分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[6744].text 休息之後
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transcript.whisperx[6745].text 進行對監察委員被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[6746].text 張豐義之詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6747].text 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[6748].text 報告全院委員會現在繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[6750].text 請被提名人張豐義先生說明時間為五分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[6751].text 主席各位委員
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transcript.whisperx[6752].text 各位女士各位先生大家好
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transcript.whisperx[6753].text 本人陳萌總統賴清德
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transcript.whisperx[6754].text 以憲法提名擔任第七屆監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[6755].text 並為國家人權委員會委員
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transcript.whisperx[6756].text 今天來到立法院
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transcript.whisperx[6757].text 接受立法委員秉持憲法賦予的職責進行審查
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transcript.whisperx[6758].text 作為刑事同意權的依據
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transcript.whisperx[6759].text 深感責任重大
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transcript.whisperx[6760].text 立法院在2009年
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transcript.whisperx[6761].text 三讀通過了聯合國的
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transcript.whisperx[6762].text 公民與政治權利國際公約
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transcript.whisperx[6763].text 與經濟社會文化權利國際公約
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transcript.whisperx[6764].text 也一併通過了上述兩公約實施法
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transcript.whisperx[6765].text 將國際人權公約國內法化
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transcript.whisperx[6766].text 這是標示了台灣與人權立國的第一步
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transcript.whisperx[6767].text 那我們知道1991年聯合國人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[6768].text 在巴黎舉行
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transcript.whisperx[6769].text 他在會議確立了關於促進和保護人權的
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transcript.whisperx[6770].text 國家機構地位的原則
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transcript.whisperx[6771].text 也就是簡稱的巴黎原則
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transcript.whisperx[6774].text 並要求國家人權機構
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transcript.whisperx[6775].text 應具備以國際人權標準行使的廣泛職權
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transcript.whisperx[6776].text 及獨立性多元性足夠的資源
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transcript.whisperx[6777].text 以及充分的調查權
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transcript.whisperx[6778].text 立法院也在2019年
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transcript.whisperx[6779].text 三讀通過監察院國家人權委員會組織法
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transcript.whisperx[6781].text 成立國家人權委員會
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transcript.whisperx[6782].text 以落實相關國際人權公約的規範
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transcript.whisperx[6783].text 並且推展人權觀念與教育
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transcript.whisperx[6785].text 在第一屆的國家人權委員會的委員的努力之下
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transcript.whisperx[6786].text
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transcript.whisperx[6787].text 人權委員會的人事與運作
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transcript.whisperx[6788].text 組織運作、磨合、逐漸步入軌道,功不可沒
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transcript.whisperx[6789].text 第一屆的國家人權委員也在任期結束前
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transcript.whisperx[6790].text 公開提出了國家人權委員會對於台灣國家人權機構
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transcript.whisperx[6791].text 未來發展之意見書
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transcript.whisperx[6792].text 提檢了這六年來國家人權委員會的運作的局限
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transcript.whisperx[6793].text 並提出了依加速內部
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transcript.whisperx[6794].text 運作改革二,逐步推動成立獨立機關
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transcript.whisperx[6795].text 這兩大改革方向的建議
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transcript.whisperx[6796].text 本人深感欽佩
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transcript.whisperx[6797].text 國家人權委員會在邁向第二屆人權委員任期之際
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transcript.whisperx[6798].text 將面臨更大的挑戰
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transcript.whisperx[6799].text 特別是
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transcript.whisperx[6800].text 全球的貿易從過去的自由貿易
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transcript.whisperx[6801].text 逐漸轉變成公平貿易
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transcript.whisperx[6802].text 而台灣長期以出國導向的經濟體
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transcript.whisperx[6803].text 並在全球供應鏈中扮演重要的角色
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transcript.whisperx[6804].text 國際商品貿易與勞動人權標準
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transcript.whisperx[6805].text 逐漸的緊密配合
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transcript.whisperx[6806].text 我們都知道2020年
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transcript.whisperx[6807].text 行政院首度公布的企業與人權國家行動計畫
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transcript.whisperx[6808].text 依據聯合國工商企業及人權指導原則的規範與精神
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transcript.whisperx[6809].text 就企業營運有關的人權保障事項
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transcript.whisperx[6810].text 提出未來性的重點方向與措施
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transcript.whisperx[6811].text 是亞洲第二個提出這個國家行動計畫的國家
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transcript.whisperx[6813].text 也在2025年
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transcript.whisperx[6814].text 針對前述的國家行動計畫的更新版
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transcript.whisperx[6815].text 提出了相關的建議
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transcript.whisperx[6816].text 我們可以看到以近期美國針對全球60個經濟體
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transcript.whisperx[6817].text 進行的強迫勞動301條款的調查為例
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transcript.whisperx[6818].text 雖然最後我國因為
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transcript.whisperx[6819].text 禁止強迫勞動的行政承諾
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transcript.whisperx[6820].text 而獲得美方的諒解
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transcript.whisperx[6821].text 那取得了10%不疊加
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transcript.whisperx[6822].text 較其他國家優惠的關稅待遇
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transcript.whisperx[6823].text 不過從這個事件我們已經可以看出
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transcript.whisperx[6825].text 已經成為影響台灣經濟發展的重要因素
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transcript.whisperx[6826].text 而國家人權委員會的存在正是台灣面對的
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transcript.whisperx[6827].text 國際貿易與人權標準正逐漸的密切扣合之際呢
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transcript.whisperx[6828].text 他具備的最具關鍵地位的國家人權推動的一個樞紐
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transcript.whisperx[6829].text 所以如果本人有幸擔任第二屆的國家人權委員會委員
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transcript.whisperx[6830].text 自當對於國際勞動人權與國內法治與行政措施的契合
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transcript.whisperx[6831].text 全力投入倡議與改革
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transcript.whisperx[6832].text 這不僅保障台灣勞工的勞動人權
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transcript.whisperx[6833].text 更是台灣產業與經濟擺脫過去
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transcript.whisperx[6834].text 血和經濟模式冒向勞資共好
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transcript.whisperx[6835].text 環境共善的經濟模式的開始
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transcript.whisperx[6836].text 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6837].text 好 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[6838].text 謝謝張蓓廷明人
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transcript.whisperx[6839].text 現在進行委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6840].text 首先請徐委員中信詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6841].text 主席 我們有請勞動人權鬥士張豐一
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transcript.whisperx[6842].text 請張蓓廷明人
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transcript.whisperx[6843].text 張多士好
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transcript.whisperx[6844].text 不敢當
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transcript.whisperx[6845].text 天主
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transcript.whisperx[6846].text 在德文這是一個鬥士
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transcript.whisperx[6847].text 所以我對您非常的敬重
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transcript.whisperx[6848].text 在我的印象當中您就是長期
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transcript.whisperx[6849].text 為台灣的勞動人權
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transcript.whisperx[6850].text 來 碰到
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transcript.whisperx[6851].text 我沒有看過你哭笑
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transcript.whisperx[6852].text 希望我今天對您的詢問
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transcript.whisperx[6853].text 我會讓你哭笑不得
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transcript.whisperx[6854].text 首先
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transcript.whisperx[6855].text 我先講哭的部分
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transcript.whisperx[6856].text 您的報告裡面提到我們台灣在國際貿易跟勞動人權的改善
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transcript.whisperx[6858].text 當然有很多因素
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transcript.whisperx[6859].text 我們主席 議員
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transcript.whisperx[6860].text 會長清楚
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transcript.whisperx[6862].text 提供給我們比較便宜的用地成本
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transcript.whisperx[6863].text 是我們的競爭力的原因之一
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transcript.whisperx[6864].text 那我們台糖土地
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transcript.whisperx[6866].text 一大類就是我們的皮糖乾河
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transcript.whisperx[6868].text 另外一大類
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transcript.whisperx[6869].text 它怎麼來
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transcript.whisperx[6870].text 日本人1895年來
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transcript.whisperx[6871].text 看到它所繼承
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transcript.whisperx[6873].text 竟然在雲林以南
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transcript.whisperx[6874].text 有這麼多的觀友地
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transcript.whisperx[6875].text 所以日本人那時候
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transcript.whisperx[6876].text 就想辦法要來善用這些觀友地
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transcript.whisperx[6877].text 所以成立第一家
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transcript.whisperx[6878].text 台灣SET
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transcript.whisperx[6879].text 核心機 看一下
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transcript.whisperx[6880].text 台灣治糖
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transcript.whisperx[6881].text 祝福會勝
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transcript.whisperx[6882].text 它的土地
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transcript.whisperx[6883].text 就是從青代繼承下來
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transcript.whisperx[6884].text 成立台糖
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transcript.whisperx[6885].text 而台糖這些
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transcript.whisperx[6886].text 土地裡面會被賤賣的
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transcript.whisperx[6887].text 就是好的土地
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transcript.whisperx[6888].text 它的來源
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transcript.whisperx[6889].text 您知道它是怎麼來
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transcript.whisperx[6890].text 如果無來人知道這些土地的來源
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transcript.whisperx[6891].text 今天這個錢不敢吞下去
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transcript.whisperx[6892].text 絕對要脫衣服回來
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transcript.whisperx[6893].text 這是我們台灣宣傳
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transcript.whisperx[6894].text 三百多年來
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transcript.whisperx[6895].text 三一一消化
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transcript.whisperx[6897].text 祝Q祝
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transcript.whisperx[6898].text 青代觀察
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transcript.whisperx[6899].text 所以狗來人
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transcript.whisperx[6901].text 賤賣台糖土地的錢
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transcript.whisperx[6902].text 你別吊
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transcript.whisperx[6903].text 哇 說到這個故事
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transcript.whisperx[6904].text 我更要吃
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transcript.whisperx[6905].text 我們用藍卡來看
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transcript.whisperx[6906].text 我的外祖藍卡就40到第1首歌
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transcript.whisperx[6908].text 一QQ囉
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transcript.whisperx[6909].text 你吃藍卡
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transcript.whisperx[6910].text 我來藍卡我給你吃藍
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transcript.whisperx[6911].text 來對我誇賽一
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transcript.whisperx[6912].text 誇賽一
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transcript.whisperx[6913].text 很多都對
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transcript.whisperx[6914].text 土地都對著
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transcript.whisperx[6915].text 拔殺萬世的中軍
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transcript.whisperx[6916].text 太陽太陽中軍
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transcript.whisperx[6917].text 狗來人你敢吃這個錢
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transcript.whisperx[6918].text 我為了你好你還要快吐回來
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transcript.whisperx[6919].text 媽的 別吼
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transcript.whisperx[6920].text 這個是讓我很難過的地方
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transcript.whisperx[6921].text 我們藍卡率先告
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transcript.whisperx[6922].text 藍卡
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transcript.whisperx[6923].text 比較高位階的
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transcript.whisperx[6924].text 技術人員
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transcript.whisperx[6925].text 虧錢對歌勇
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transcript.whisperx[6926].text 對大南虎社來我們新市吃頭肉
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transcript.whisperx[6927].text 他沒要帶我們新市護肩
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transcript.whisperx[6928].text 環境不好
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transcript.whisperx[6929].text 台南附近各鄉鎮
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transcript.whisperx[6930].text 到藍卡來上班的
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transcript.whisperx[6931].text 勞工完全仰賴機車
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transcript.whisperx[6932].text 因為公共設施真的很不足
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transcript.whisperx[6933].text 機車
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transcript.whisperx[6934].text 這是在美國這種礦也可以起
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transcript.whisperx[6935].text 在台灣這種人口密集的地方
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transcript.whisperx[6936].text 非常危險
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transcript.whisperx[6937].text 所以我幾乎在成大教書
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transcript.whisperx[6938].text 每天出門都會看到機車的車禍
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transcript.whisperx[6939].text 請問這個有勞動人權
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transcript.whisperx[6940].text 請問這個有勞動人權
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transcript.whisperx[6941].text 勞工因為上下班
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transcript.whisperx[6942].text 造成的如果有通勤的直篩這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[6943].text 其實在台灣按照勞動的統計
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transcript.whisperx[6945].text 他沒有太大的改變
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transcript.whisperx[6946].text 就是因為上下班通勤
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transcript.whisperx[6947].text 而造成的直篩死亡人數
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transcript.whisperx[6948].text 我前一陣子才做過這個統計
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transcript.whisperx[6949].text 他大概每一年過去二三十年
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transcript.whisperx[6950].text 大概每一年都三百人左右
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transcript.whisperx[6951].text 死亡
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transcript.whisperx[6953].text 上下班通勤還有執行職務的
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transcript.whisperx[6956].text 確實大眾運輸的發展
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transcript.whisperx[6957].text 我們知道大眾運輸的發展
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transcript.whisperx[6958].text 可能可以有效的來抑制這樣子的事情發生
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transcript.whisperx[6959].text 但是我們知道除了這個
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transcript.whisperx[6960].text 大台北地區或高雄以外
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transcript.whisperx[6961].text 其實台灣其他的地方的
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transcript.whisperx[6962].text 所謂的公共運輸發展還是不夠
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transcript.whisperx[6963].text 造成勞工必須要用這個機制
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transcript.whisperx[6964].text 死亡率
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transcript.whisperx[6965].text 他的原因
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transcript.whisperx[6966].text 很明顯可以看得出來
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transcript.whisperx[6967].text 所以公共建設非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[6968].text 所以您點出我要講的
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transcript.whisperx[6969].text
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transcript.whisperx[6970].text 您聽到這個故事不要笑
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transcript.whisperx[6971].text 我有一次在台北有活動
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transcript.whisperx[6972].text 搭最後一班高鐵回台南
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transcript.whisperx[6973].text 已經沒有接駁車
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transcript.whisperx[6974].text 這麼晚我也不想打擾我的助理
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transcript.whisperx[6975].text 所以我就叫了計程車
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transcript.whisperx[6976].text 從台南沙侖要回新市
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transcript.whisperx[6977].text 我已經跟他講的是新市
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transcript.whisperx[6978].text 結果計程車一直跳跳跳跳到新化
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transcript.whisperx[6979].text 到新市跟新化的交界
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transcript.whisperx[6980].text 已經到700塊
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transcript.whisperx[6982].text 先去搞啊
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transcript.whisperx[6983].text 真的是到了
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transcript.whisperx[6984].text 我下車走路40分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[6985].text 走到我家
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transcript.whisperx[6986].text 你就笑了對不對
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transcript.whisperx[6987].text 這是真實的故事
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transcript.whisperx[6988].text 這是真實的故事
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transcript.whisperx[6989].text 這個高鐵站設在沙侖
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transcript.whisperx[6990].text 本來是在新市火車站
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transcript.whisperx[6991].text 要跟台鐵共共
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transcript.whisperx[6992].text 如果這樣對南科的發展
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transcript.whisperx[6993].text 更有國際貿易競爭力
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transcript.whisperx[6994].text 台南人才真的有高鐵
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transcript.whisperx[6996].text 要炒作沙侖附近的墳墓
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transcript.whisperx[6997].text 硬把高鐵站拉到沙侖
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transcript.whisperx[6998].text 所以使得台南人現在到台北是最耗時的
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transcript.whisperx[6999].text 屏東你搭火車到左沿
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transcript.whisperx[7000].text 一下子一個半小時就到台北
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transcript.whisperx[7001].text 而我們台南人現在沒有高鐵
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transcript.whisperx[7002].text 這個原因
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transcript.whisperx[7003].text 何在
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transcript.whisperx[7004].text 我非常感佩委員
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transcript.whisperx[7005].text 對於這種非都會區人民的運輸上的權利
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transcript.whisperx[7006].text 那我們知道移動人權
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transcript.whisperx[7007].text 事實上也是現在新興的人權的標準走向
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transcript.whisperx[7008].text 所以移動人權
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transcript.whisperx[7009].text 因為我們知道
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transcript.whisperx[7010].text 我們即使有非常多的政府相關的資源
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transcript.whisperx[7011].text 不管是醫療還是社福資源
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transcript.whisperx[7013].text 他的可近性很低的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7014].text 那譬如說你這些醫院可近性很低的話
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transcript.whisperx[7017].text 所以台港土地
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transcript.whisperx[7018].text 不只被賤賣
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transcript.whisperx[7019].text 還被浪費
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transcript.whisperx[7020].text 台港土地成立難科
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transcript.whisperx[7022].text 跟台鐵共過
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transcript.whisperx[7023].text 我們台南現在的競爭力不是現在而已
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transcript.whisperx[7025].text 集體把他拉到
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transcript.whisperx[7027].text 而我們新式組成一個自救會
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transcript.whisperx[7028].text 但是新式因為諸一貴事件
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transcript.whisperx[7029].text 先民被屠殺
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transcript.whisperx[7030].text 所以人口非常稀少
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transcript.whisperx[7032].text 新式的人口只贏南化跟農旗
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transcript.whisperx[7033].text 所以我們只能選出一個縣議員
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transcript.whisperx[7036].text 但是that is too late
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transcript.whisperx[7037].text 太慢了
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transcript.whisperx[7038].text 所以您如果成為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[7039].text 要不要去調查該弊案
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transcript.whisperx[7040].text 是誰
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transcript.whisperx[7041].text 強把高鐵站從新式拉到殺人
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transcript.whisperx[7042].text 加以懲案加以調查
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transcript.whisperx[7043].text 給我台南人一個高鐵站
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transcript.whisperx[7044].text 一個真相
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transcript.whisperx[7045].text 一個公平的對立
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transcript.whisperx[7047].text 因為委員也是代表龐大的名義
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transcript.whisperx[7048].text 委員如果檢具相關的事證的話
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transcript.whisperx[7049].text 我想監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[7050].text 面對各式各樣民眾的審判
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transcript.whisperx[7051].text 我們都會非常嚴肅的立案來調查
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transcript.whisperx[7052].text 我們一起來努力
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transcript.whisperx[7053].text 特別是這種剛才委員說到的
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transcript.whisperx[7054].text 這個涉及到交通這種偏見
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transcript.whisperx[7056].text 謝謝徐若嫣
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transcript.whisperx[7057].text 下一位請郭國文委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[7058].text 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7059].text 有請貝提明人
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transcript.whisperx[7060].text 我們請當貝提明人
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transcript.whisperx[7061].text 鳳雲恭喜
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transcript.whisperx[7062].text 過去你在勞工運動的一個努力
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transcript.whisperx[7064].text 我相信這是被提名的主要原因
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transcript.whisperx[7065].text 但我也看了您的這個
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transcript.whisperx[7066].text 自傳相關的內容當中
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transcript.whisperx[7067].text 你有體會到進入體制的行政的相關改革
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transcript.whisperx[7068].text 其實相當的不容易
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transcript.whisperx[7069].text 必須協調這個折衝各方
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transcript.whisperx[7070].text 當然你也特別提到
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transcript.whisperx[7071].text 制度性的改革才能系統化的解決
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transcript.whisperx[7072].text 個案的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7073].text 我相信你已經有進入體制的這個準備
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transcript.whisperx[7074].text 不過現階段的一些勞動型態
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transcript.whisperx[7075].text 還有整個經濟環境
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transcript.whisperx[7076].text 我想說也要就教你
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transcript.whisperx[7077].text 在被提名後的看法是如何
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transcript.whisperx[7078].text 特別是現在越來越凸顯的K型經濟當中
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transcript.whisperx[7080].text 一是低通膨
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transcript.whisperx[7081].text 二是低失業率
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transcript.whisperx[7082].text 三缺工非常嚴重
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transcript.whisperx[7083].text 四最關鍵的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7084].text 薪資成長越特別的低
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transcript.whisperx[7085].text 我想這個問題你也注意到
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transcript.whisperx[7087].text 少數的產業特別的好
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transcript.whisperx[7089].text 連央行都表示
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transcript.whisperx[7090].text 過去的一個貨幣政策工具都難以解決
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transcript.whisperx[7091].text 類似現在的這種困境的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7092].text 譬如講
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transcript.whisperx[7093].text 昨天主計書才公布了1到6月的薪資統計
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transcript.whisperx[7094].text 經常性薪資平均是51888
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transcript.whisperx[7095].text 但中位數的部分只有40985
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transcript.whisperx[7096].text 而有70%的人的薪資
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transcript.whisperx[7097].text 是低於這樣的平均數
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transcript.whisperx[7098].text 這樣的數字理當不應該出現的
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transcript.whisperx[7099].text 一個人平均的GDP超過4萬美元的一個國家
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transcript.whisperx[7100].text 經濟成長去年超過8
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transcript.whisperx[7101].text 而今年預計成長超過10
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transcript.whisperx[7102].text 類似這樣的經濟型態
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transcript.whisperx[7103].text 跟勞動的情況
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transcript.whisperx[7104].text 我想在行政部門當中
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transcript.whisperx[7106].text 我想請教你的看法
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transcript.whisperx[7107].text 謝謝國委員的質詢
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transcript.whisperx[7108].text 國委員這個問題的提問非常的深入
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transcript.whisperx[7109].text 確實台灣在這個K型經濟下
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transcript.whisperx[7110].text 如何來照顧這個底層的勞工
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transcript.whisperx[7111].text 從剛剛委員提到的主計處的
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transcript.whisperx[7112].text 昨天公布的統計
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transcript.whisperx[7113].text 事實上為什麼有70%的勞工
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transcript.whisperx[7114].text 他的薪資是低於這個平均的工資
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transcript.whisperx[7115].text 你就可以看到就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7116].text 事實上因為有這個我們台灣的
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transcript.whisperx[7117].text 半導體產業的高度發展
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transcript.whisperx[7118].text 所以會讓高薪者他的薪資是大幅提高
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transcript.whisperx[7119].text 所以整個大家知道平均薪資
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transcript.whisperx[7120].text 所以平均下來那個平均薪資就會高很多
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transcript.whisperx[7121].text 那另外一方面
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transcript.whisperx[7122].text 我們的這個所謂的比較低薪的
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transcript.whisperx[7123].text 非典勞工的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7124].text 他的人數在擴充當中
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transcript.whisperx[7125].text 所以怎麼樣來解決這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[7126].text 首先就是要對於我們這個
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transcript.whisperx[7127].text 非典勞工的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7128].text 需要有做一個比較多的保障
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transcript.whisperx[7129].text 讓我們知道
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transcript.whisperx[7130].text
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transcript.whisperx[7131].text 第一個
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transcript.whisperx[7132].text 比如說在前一陣子立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7133].text 通過有關外送員專法
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transcript.whisperx[7134].text 這一個我們大概台灣現在外送員
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transcript.whisperx[7135].text 應該
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transcript.whisperx[7136].text 大概有15到20萬人之間
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transcript.whisperx[7137].text 那讓他們的權益有一個基本的保障
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transcript.whisperx[7138].text 那也通過了
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transcript.whisperx[7139].text 那未來這個法令
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transcript.whisperx[7140].text 要如何的落實
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transcript.whisperx[7141].text 那我覺得這也是未來這個
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transcript.whisperx[7142].text 如果一旦進入監察院的話
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transcript.whisperx[7143].text 必須要來督促行政機關來執行的
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transcript.whisperx[7144].text 那另外在非典勞工的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7145].text 大家都知道
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transcript.whisperx[7146].text 比如說這個部分工時者
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transcript.whisperx[7147].text 還有這個派遣勞工
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transcript.whisperx[7148].text 那這一些人
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transcript.whisperx[7149].text 怎麼樣來更進一步確保他們的權益
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transcript.whisperx[7150].text 我覺得這個也是要去
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transcript.whisperx[7151].text 更進一步來落實
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transcript.whisperx[7152].text 我們知道這個部分工時者
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transcript.whisperx[7153].text 在台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7154].text 像前一陣子有個數十億的
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transcript.whisperx[7155].text 一個
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transcript.whisperx[7156].text 職場霸凌的事件
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transcript.whisperx[7157].text 那我們可以知道就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7158].text 部分工時者他因為排班
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transcript.whisperx[7159].text 賦予企業非常多的排班的權利
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transcript.whisperx[7160].text 所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[7161].text 造成部分工時者
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transcript.whisperx[7162].text 他在工時上的排班的高度不穩定
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transcript.whisperx[7163].text 所以行程也會造成他的收入的不穩定
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transcript.whisperx[7164].text 我覺得怎麼樣讓這個
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transcript.whisperx[7165].text 通常從事非典工作的人
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transcript.whisperx[7166].text 都是希望他工作要有彈性
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transcript.whisperx[7167].text 但是怎麼樣呢
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transcript.whisperx[7168].text 讓他有彈性又有保障
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transcript.whisperx[7169].text 不管是工作權的保障
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transcript.whisperx[7170].text 還是薪資的保障
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transcript.whisperx[7171].text 我覺得這個在法律面制度面
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transcript.whisperx[7172].text 都要再進一步來改革的
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transcript.whisperx[7173].text 所以就你觀察K型經濟造型
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transcript.whisperx[7174].text K型勞工收入的發展
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transcript.whisperx[7175].text 高所得的很高
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transcript.whisperx[7176].text 但低所得是因為非典型的勞動的形態
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transcript.whisperx[7177].text 而造成相對的低所得
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transcript.whisperx[7178].text 如果是這種方式的話
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transcript.whisperx[7179].text 要改變低所得的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7180].text 就要照顧他們的權益
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transcript.whisperx[7181].text 可以讓平均數可以拉高
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transcript.whisperx[7182].text 而不是一味的用政府的手段來處理
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transcript.whisperx[7183].text 既然如此的話
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transcript.whisperx[7184].text 那我們就來討論一下
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transcript.whisperx[7185].text 這非典型的勞動僱用要怎麼去
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transcript.whisperx[7186].text 面對啦
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transcript.whisperx[7187].text 剛剛你也提到一些啦
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transcript.whisperx[7188].text 就是說部分公司的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7189].text 外送平台外送員專法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7190].text 確實已經有這個通過
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transcript.whisperx[7191].text 但是以勞動派遣、勞動承攬
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transcript.whisperx[7192].text 以及共享經濟的非典型勞動
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transcript.whisperx[7193].text 確實是人口
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transcript.whisperx[7194].text 就業人口數是越來越多
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transcript.whisperx[7195].text 但我們必須去面對一個問題
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transcript.whisperx[7196].text 過往的整個勞動關係的認定
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transcript.whisperx[7197].text 都是鎖定在所謂的僱用關係
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transcript.whisperx[7198].text 即便國家立法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7199].text 也是用勞動基準法的概念
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transcript.whisperx[7200].text 是用僱用關係來處理
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transcript.whisperx[7201].text 所以透過面對這種非典的勞動型態
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transcript.whisperx[7202].text 增加的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7203].text 勞動部過去的做法就一直解釋再解釋
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transcript.whisperx[7204].text 想要把它扣連在一個勞動關係上面來做處理
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transcript.whisperx[7205].text 顯然解釋還是有它一定幅度的限制
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transcript.whisperx[7206].text 那另外一種方式呢
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transcript.whisperx[7207].text 現在有一些立委就是用專法再專法
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transcript.whisperx[7208].text 從外送員專法
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transcript.whisperx[7209].text 現在又想要立一個平台的專法
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transcript.whisperx[7210].text 可是專法如果能夠
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transcript.whisperx[7211].text 那當然也是一種好的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7212].text 但事實不然
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transcript.whisperx[7213].text 外送員專法之後
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transcript.whisperx[7214].text 平台又抽出一些方式來做因應
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transcript.whisperx[7215].text 才會提出所謂的平台專法的出現
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transcript.whisperx[7216].text 所以顯然這個平台的這個特定的一個
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transcript.whisperx[7217].text 職業的這個專法
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transcript.whisperx[7218].text 未必有那麼好用的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7219].text 恐怕我們要思考一個新的型態
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transcript.whisperx[7220].text 新的型態的部分就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7221].text 過往我們在鎖定這一種
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transcript.whisperx[7222].text 僱用關係的一個勞動基準法的思考上面
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transcript.whisperx[7223].text 只是會照顧到傳統僱用關係的勞動者的身上
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transcript.whisperx[7224].text 那另外一種呢
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transcript.whisperx[7225].text 自營作業者要不要去關心呢
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transcript.whisperx[7226].text 自營作業者的一種勞動型態
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transcript.whisperx[7227].text 其實在台灣的保護上只有社會保險
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transcript.whisperx[7228].text 並沒有專屬的法案
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transcript.whisperx[7229].text 這是第一啦
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transcript.whisperx[7230].text 第二個是累勞工的這個部分
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transcript.whisperx[7231].text 累勞工的部分就是類似這一種
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transcript.whisperx[7232].text 彈性勞動體制情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7233].text 非典型勞動者的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7234].text 有沒有需要另立一個基本法
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transcript.whisperx[7235].text 我想要就教於被提名的看法怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[7236].text 這三種分類當中
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transcript.whisperx[7237].text 台灣是不是要重新思考
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transcript.whisperx[7238].text 對不同的勞動者進行不同的保護
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transcript.whisperx[7239].text 才能達到剛剛所提到的
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transcript.whisperx[7240].text 不同的勞動者的薪資可以提高
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transcript.whisperx[7241].text 是的
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transcript.whisperx[7242].text 特別是現在的年輕人
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transcript.whisperx[7243].text 他要的可能是一個工作的自由
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transcript.whisperx[7244].text 工作的彈性
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transcript.whisperx[7245].text 所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[7246].text 事實上有
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transcript.whisperx[7247].text 所以很多勞工他會選擇一些
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transcript.whisperx[7248].text 非傳統的一些工作型態
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transcript.whisperx[7249].text 有的時候也是有他個人選擇的一個成分
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transcript.whisperx[7250].text 不過如果在他個人選擇的自由
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transcript.whisperx[7251].text 跟他長期的勞動保障之間
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transcript.whisperx[7252].text 我覺得要取得平衡
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transcript.whisperx[7253].text 各式各樣的非典的保障
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transcript.whisperx[7254].text 是不是國家要來立法
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transcript.whisperx[7255].text 像平台經濟的
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transcript.whisperx[7256].text 甚至有些國家對於勞動派遣
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transcript.whisperx[7257].text 也是用專法的方式
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transcript.whisperx[7258].text 那我們台灣
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transcript.whisperx[7259].text 我們目前是在勞基法裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7260].text 有幾個重要的條文來處理
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transcript.whisperx[7261].text 那這個夠不夠
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transcript.whisperx[7262].text 我覺得都可以再討論
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transcript.whisperx[7263].text 因為我們曾經勞動派遣也考慮過要立
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transcript.whisperx[7264].text 專法或是勞基法的專章
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transcript.whisperx[7265].text 但是當時也只有幾個條文
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transcript.whisperx[7266].text 這個我覺得都可以再來加強
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transcript.whisperx[7267].text 然後有一些類勞工的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7268].text 我覺得也可以來思考
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transcript.whisperx[7269].text 用一種更寬廣的方式來去處理
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transcript.whisperx[7272].text 在其他國家
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transcript.whisperx[7273].text 譬如說我們從2011年開始
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transcript.whisperx[7274].text 我們新的勞動實際案法通過以後
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transcript.whisperx[7275].text 有關這個
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transcript.whisperx[7276].text 產子業工會他們新的一些發展的籌組
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transcript.whisperx[7277].text 那這幾年有一些就是說產子業工會的發展
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transcript.whisperx[7278].text 我覺得也是非常值得借鏡
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transcript.whisperx[7280].text 他們可不可以自發性的自主性的透過團結權
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transcript.whisperx[7281].text 來形成他們自助人助的一個團結組織
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transcript.whisperx[7283].text 我覺得這個都是可以來進行的一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[7285].text 但是透過集體力量能夠捍衛集體的勞動或個體的勞動的權利
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transcript.whisperx[7287].text 沒有太多樂觀的空間
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transcript.whisperx[7288].text 即便我們立法上由於這樣的空間
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transcript.whisperx[7289].text 不過以以前的廠廠工會的形態
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transcript.whisperx[7290].text 廠廠的一個整個勞動的環境的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7291].text 比較能夠凝聚集體的勞動行為
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transcript.whisperx[7292].text 但是問題是現在這種分散的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7293].text 要形成一個集體勞動的空間的可能性
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transcript.whisperx[7294].text 老實講是相對困難
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transcript.whisperx[7295].text 你法律可以賦予這樣的空間
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transcript.whisperx[7296].text 但是實際上有形成這種集體勞動的談判力量的可能性
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transcript.whisperx[7297].text 老實說是相對很不容易
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transcript.whisperx[7298].text 我覺得面對現實來說是這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[7299].text 這種情況不容易的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[7300].text 國家的角色就非常的重要
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transcript.whisperx[7301].text 就如同你剛剛提到了政府的角色是非常關鍵
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transcript.whisperx[7302].text 也就如同你現在被提名為監察委員的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7303].text 也應該扮演這個角色
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transcript.whisperx[7304].text 要求行政部門發揮一定的力量
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transcript.whisperx[7305].text 在法的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7306].text 不論是剛剛提到勞動法的基本法
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transcript.whisperx[7307].text 或者是勞動專章或勞動專法
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transcript.whisperx[7308].text 或者勞動基本法
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transcript.whisperx[7309].text 都有可能形成這種體制的一個健全
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transcript.whisperx[7310].text 我期待你把你過去的勞動運動的精神
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transcript.whisperx[7311].text 引入這個體制
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transcript.whisperx[7312].text 好 謝謝郭委員
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transcript.whisperx[7313].text 下一位請王洪威委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[7314].text 好 謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7315].text 請被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7316].text 好 請
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transcript.whisperx[7317].text 我們張被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7318].text 好 被提名人好
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transcript.whisperx[7319].text 我有看你的自傳和你的報告
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transcript.whisperx[7320].text 我必須講
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transcript.whisperx[7321].text 跟很多位被提名人比較起來
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transcript.whisperx[7322].text 你的自傳你的報告都非常的簡要
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transcript.whisperx[7323].text 在您有限的這個自傳的敘述裡面提到
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transcript.whisperx[7324].text 您曾經進入勞委會
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transcript.whisperx[7325].text 就是現在勞動部前身擔任主委的機要秘書
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transcript.whisperx[7326].text 您是擔任前
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transcript.whisperx[7327].text 主委 盧天琳主委的機要秘書嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7330].text 我覺得好
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transcript.whisperx[7331].text 這個經驗可能不是很好的經驗
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transcript.whisperx[7332].text 我想盧天琳她後來所爆發的種種的弊案跟爭議
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transcript.whisperx[7333].text 她應該算是史上最糟糕的這個勞委會主委或勞動部部長
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transcript.whisperx[7334].text 那在她的任內
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transcript.whisperx[7335].text 就是有她這個貪污挪用公款去做選舉的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7336].text 然後她後來去擔任亞洲航空公司的這個
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transcript.whisperx[7337].text 董事長
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transcript.whisperx[7338].text 那麼也濫訴勞工
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transcript.whisperx[7339].text 而且事實上有很多勞工都在投訴她
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transcript.whisperx[7340].text 那行徑極為囂張跟惡劣
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transcript.whisperx[7341].text 如果以現在的標準來講
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transcript.whisperx[7342].text 簡直是完全沒有辦法為社會接受
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transcript.whisperx[7343].text 所以我想請問被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7344].text 基本上你覺得你那一段的經歷
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transcript.whisperx[7345].text 因為你特別寫在你的自傳上
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transcript.whisperx[7346].text 你覺得是一個好的經歷嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7347].text
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transcript.whisperx[7348].text 我大概在
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transcript.whisperx[7349].text 因為當時我是
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transcript.whisperx[7350].text 當時那個
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transcript.whisperx[7351].text 盧天玲委員
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transcript.whisperx[7352].text 她那時候是
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transcript.whisperx[7353].text 民進黨部分區立委
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transcript.whisperx[7354].text 那我本來就是在她立委的辦公室
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transcript.whisperx[7355].text 所以跟著她進入勞委會
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transcript.whisperx[7356].text 後來她在立委的最後一年
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transcript.whisperx[7357].text 到勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[7358].text 勞委會擔任主委一年
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transcript.whisperx[7359].text 那所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[7360].text 我當時就協助她
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transcript.whisperx[7361].text 在這個勞動部
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transcript.whisperx[7362].text 所以你認不認爲她的這個
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transcript.whisperx[7363].text 我剛才講史上最糟糕的勞委會主委
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transcript.whisperx[7364].text 沒有冤枉她吧
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transcript.whisperx[7367].text 你是被提名爲監委哦
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transcript.whisperx[7368].text 如果你連她已經受到司法的
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transcript.whisperx[7369].text 這個制裁
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transcript.whisperx[7370].text 包含她這個
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transcript.whisperx[7371].text 對不起哦
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transcript.whisperx[7372].text 包含她這個
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transcript.whisperx[7373].text 就有關於貪污的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7374].text 或者是她濫訴勞工的部分
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transcript.whisperx[7377].text 我不曉得你能夠監察誰啊
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transcript.whisperx[7382].text 她已經
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transcript.whisperx[7391].text 他如果
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transcript.whisperx[7392].text 後來願意這個
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transcript.whisperx[7394].text 因為你被提名的是監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[7400].text 你到底能不能夠
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transcript.whisperx[7404].text 在你的自傳裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7405].text 也提到剛才前面郭國文委員
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transcript.whisperx[7410].text 要怎麼在制度上建立跟重視
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transcript.whisperx[7420].text 現在時間到了
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transcript.whisperx[7431].text 予以協助
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transcript.whisperx[7441].text 去迴避他應有的責任
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transcript.whisperx[7443].text 貝提明人你怎麼來看這個事件
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transcript.whisperx[7447].text 這個在國外
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transcript.whisperx[7454].text 來行政處罰的話
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transcript.whisperx[7471].text 現在行政院事實上
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transcript.whisperx[7473].text 為了要幫助
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transcript.whisperx[7474].text 我們年輕的父母育兒
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transcript.whisperx[7475].text 所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[7476].text 我們有開放外籍幫傭的一個政策
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transcript.whisperx[7477].text 也就是有一個小孩
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transcript.whisperx[7479].text 就可以聘用外籍幫傭
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transcript.whisperx[7480].text 請問一下被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7481].text 這個政策您支持嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7482].text 聘請外籍幫傭12歲以下
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transcript.whisperx[7483].text 我個人是覺得就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7484].text 國家應該先優先的來
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transcript.whisperx[7485].text 這個擴大這個所謂的
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transcript.whisperx[7487].text 讓這一些
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transcript.whisperx[7488].text 所以你這個政策已經是公開的
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transcript.whisperx[7489].text 行政院已經正式宣布
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transcript.whisperx[7493].text 事實上每個月
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transcript.whisperx[7496].text 可以負擔得起的
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transcript.whisperx[7503].text 而且是平價優質的公共托育
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transcript.whisperx[7504].text 我覺得這才是對
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transcript.whisperx[7505].text 我們一般普遍上班族雙薪家庭
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transcript.whisperx[7506].text 好這個呢
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transcript.whisperx[7507].text 當時呢
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transcript.whisperx[7508].text 這個
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transcript.whisperx[7509].text 監察院國家人權會也出來反對這個新制
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transcript.whisperx[7510].text 但是這個是一個朝野包含行政院
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transcript.whisperx[7511].text 跟立法院
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transcript.whisperx[7512].text 像我自己本身
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transcript.whisperx[7513].text 我也支持這樣的一個政策
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transcript.whisperx[7514].text 那我必須要講
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transcript.whisperx[7515].text 就是說以我們現在少子化
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transcript.whisperx[7516].text 我個人支持勞動普這項新制
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transcript.whisperx[7517].text 那但是我可以看到
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transcript.whisperx[7518].text 我們的這個被提名人看起來
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transcript.whisperx[7519].text 你對這個這個政策
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transcript.whisperx[7520].text 你看起來有反對
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transcript.whisperx[7521].text 但是我也講
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transcript.whisperx[7522].text 雖然監察院後來有表示反對
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transcript.whisperx[7523].text 最後也不了了之啊
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transcript.whisperx[7524].text 也沒有對行政院這項政策
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transcript.whisperx[7525].text 有任何的調查或有任何的意見
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transcript.whisperx[7526].text 那另外因為被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7527].text 你是第一次被提名嘛
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transcript.whisperx[7528].text 對不對
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transcript.whisperx[7529].text 那我想請教你一件事情
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transcript.whisperx[7530].text 在這一屆的監委裡面爆發了一個
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transcript.whisperx[7531].text 在外界討論非常多的
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transcript.whisperx[7532].text 就是有濫用公務預算
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transcript.whisperx[7533].text 就是公務車
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transcript.whisperx[7534].text 事實上這個涉及好幾位的監委
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transcript.whisperx[7535].text 那包括前秘書長也因此而下台
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transcript.whisperx[7536].text 監察院呢
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transcript.whisperx[7537].text 雖然說啟動了調查
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transcript.whisperx[7538].text 但是呢
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transcript.whisperx[7539].text 除了呂敬義秘書長
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transcript.whisperx[7540].text 他是自己主動請辭下台之外
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transcript.whisperx[7541].text 其他的監委呢
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transcript.whisperx[7542].text 事實上也就沒事了
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transcript.whisperx[7543].text 包含呢這次提名的副院長的人選
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transcript.whisperx[7544].text 其實他也深陷這個濫用公務車的
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transcript.whisperx[7545].text 這個整個的風暴之中
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transcript.whisperx[7546].text 因為啊你是新提名的
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transcript.whisperx[7547].text 我想你應該可以用比較中性
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transcript.whisperx[7548].text 這非涉及的事情
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transcript.whisperx[7549].text 你怎麼看
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transcript.whisperx[7550].text 就是身為國台大人
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transcript.whisperx[7552].text 被外界質疑
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transcript.whisperx[7553].text 但是後來調查不了了之
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transcript.whisperx[7554].text 你怎麼來看
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transcript.whisperx[7555].text 我覺得監察委員作為他要彈劾我們所有的百官
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transcript.whisperx[7556].text 的這種地位呢
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transcript.whisperx[7557].text 我覺得事實上要更謹慎自己
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transcript.whisperx[7558].text 要對自己的地位要更謹慎
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transcript.whisperx[7559].text 那我覺得這個公務車的這個使用
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transcript.whisperx[7560].text 我覺得監察院呢
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transcript.whisperx[7561].text 應該要有一個更明確的一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[7562].text 而且是更透明的一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[7563].text 讓社會大眾知道
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transcript.whisperx[7564].text 這個公務車不會被濫用
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transcript.whisperx[7565].text 好但是最後呢
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transcript.whisperx[7566].text 雖然雷聲大雨點小
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transcript.whisperx[7567].text 就是看起來呢大規模的調查報告
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transcript.whisperx[7568].text 好謝謝王委員
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transcript.whisperx[7569].text 下一位請李坤哲委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[7570].text 好謝謝主席
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transcript.whisperx[7571].text 請一下張貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7572].text 請張貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7573].text 好張貝提名人您好
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transcript.whisperx[7574].text 關於你過去長期啊
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transcript.whisperx[7575].text 在勞工運動爭取勞工的權利
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transcript.whisperx[7576].text 站在第一線所付出的努力啊
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transcript.whisperx[7577].text 其實大家印象都非常的深刻
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transcript.whisperx[7578].text 那我們就直接要進入相關的主題
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transcript.whisperx[7579].text 我要來請教張貝提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7580].text 有關於勞工的權利
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transcript.whisperx[7581].text 不管是勞保勞退
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transcript.whisperx[7582].text 或是相關的勞動檢查
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transcript.whisperx[7583].text 以及相關的職業災害
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transcript.whisperx[7584].text 不管是相關的預防
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transcript.whisperx[7585].text 或者是重建
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transcript.whisperx[7586].text 都是勞工非常關心的議題
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transcript.whisperx[7587].text 那我首先要請教你
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transcript.whisperx[7588].text 我們的勞動檢查
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transcript.whisperx[7589].text 除了勞動部的職安署
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transcript.whisperx[7590].text 是他的相關職權之外
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transcript.whisperx[7591].text 中央也委託啊
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transcript.whisperx[7592].text 職轄市
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transcript.whisperx[7596].text 那相關的這樣一個勞動檢查
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transcript.whisperx[7598].text 你認為有什麼問題嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7601].text 或是說要落實
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transcript.whisperx[7604].text 那所以呢
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transcript.whisperx[7605].text 世界上各國對於勞動檢查權的行使
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transcript.whisperx[7606].text 都是非常慎重的
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transcript.whisperx[7607].text 因為大家可以可想而知
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transcript.whisperx[7608].text 勞檢機構事實上
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transcript.whisperx[7609].text 他可以直接的進入
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transcript.whisperx[7610].text 一般的私人企業進去
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transcript.whisperx[7612].text 我覺得這個
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transcript.whisperx[7613].text 類似一種準司法權這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[7618].text 完全由他們中央的勞檢署在執行
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transcript.whisperx[7620].text 他是完全由中央的
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transcript.whisperx[7623].text 我們台灣呢
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transcript.whisperx[7626].text 目前的直轄市
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transcript.whisperx[7629].text 這樣子一個方式
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transcript.whisperx[7630].text 等於是授權出去
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transcript.whisperx[7631].text 那授權出去的以後呢
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transcript.whisperx[7637].text 應該前幾天
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transcript.whisperx[7638].text 才發生那個
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transcript.whisperx[7640].text 後來這些勞檢員被解職
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transcript.whisperx[7644].text 他到底有沒有好好落實
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transcript.whisperx[7648].text 然後讓這一個
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transcript.whisperx[7652].text 我覺得這是一個
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transcript.whisperx[7653].text 必須要這個處理
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transcript.whisperx[7655].text 這個缺乏這個關注的這個議題
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transcript.whisperx[7656].text 這相關的勞動檢查
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transcript.whisperx[7677].text 所以它的人事的運用就比較彈性
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transcript.whisperx[7703].text 如果未來如果擔任這個監察委員跟人權委員的話
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transcript.whisperx[7711].text 不管是勞保、勞退
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transcript.whisperx[7769].text 我們是在這個情況下
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transcript.whisperx[7770].text 我們是在這個情況下
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transcript.whisperx[7771].text 我們是在這個情況下
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transcript.whisperx[7772].text 剛剛委員提到的那個
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transcript.whisperx[7773].text 自行車的一個大廠
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transcript.whisperx[7774].text 他被扣除強迫勞動
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transcript.whisperx[7775].text 不過我覺得這是一個
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transcript.whisperx[7776].text 我們的法制面
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transcript.whisperx[7778].text 有非常大的落差
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transcript.whisperx[7779].text 造成這一家廠商
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transcript.whisperx[7780].text 他引進移工
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transcript.whisperx[7781].text 事實上完全都是在
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transcript.whisperx[7783].text 而且合法的使用這些移工
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transcript.whisperx[7784].text 但是也一樣被國外
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transcript.whisperx[7785].text 被認定是強迫勞動
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transcript.whisperx[7786].text 所以我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[7787].text 這個就會變成就是說
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transcript.whisperx[7788].text 我們既有的這個勞基法
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transcript.whisperx[7789].text 有關強迫勞動
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transcript.whisperx[7790].text 只有第五條的一個規定
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transcript.whisperx[7791].text 那第五條的這個規定
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transcript.whisperx[7792].text 事實上是1984年
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transcript.whisperx[7793].text 勞基法立法的時候的規定
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transcript.whisperx[7794].text 那大家知道當時1984年
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transcript.whisperx[7795].text 台灣還沒有引進半個外籍移工
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transcript.whisperx[7796].text 那台灣現在外籍移工這麼多
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transcript.whisperx[7798].text 國際貿易對強迫勞動的商品
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transcript.whisperx[7799].text 不管是歐盟還是美國
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transcript.whisperx[7800].text 都已經高度重視之下
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transcript.whisperx[7802].text 在國內的法治上
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transcript.whisperx[7803].text 就應該做趕快的一個修正
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transcript.whisperx[7804].text 才不會讓我們台灣的企業
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transcript.whisperx[7805].text 事實上他在
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transcript.whisperx[7806].text 他會宣稱說完全合法的
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transcript.whisperx[7808].text 我還是受到國際貿易的制裁
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transcript.whisperx[7809].text 特別是這個
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transcript.whisperx[7810].text 剛才委員說的聯合國
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transcript.whisperx[7811].text 在2014年的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7812].text 通過有關11項的強迫勞動的指標
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transcript.whisperx[7813].text 那我們是不是這一個相關的法令
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transcript.whisperx[7814].text 要參考這個11項的指標
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transcript.whisperx[7815].text 然後讓這一個我們的企業
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transcript.whisperx[7816].text 能夠有比較多的法尊
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transcript.whisperx[7817].text 讓他們了解這個國際趨勢
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transcript.whisperx[7818].text 我覺得這是一個當務之急
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transcript.whisperx[7819].text 好 那也希望被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7820].text 在未來如果有擔任監委
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transcript.whisperx[7821].text 或是人權委員的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7822].text 針對勞工的相關權益
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transcript.whisperx[7823].text 相關權益
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transcript.whisperx[7824].text 不管是勞保 勞退
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transcript.whisperx[7825].text 以及相關的權益
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transcript.whisperx[7826].text 必須要全力的給予支持跟推動
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transcript.whisperx[7827].text 好 謝謝李委員
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transcript.whisperx[7828].text 下一位請王玉明委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[7829].text 謝謝主席 我們有請提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7830].text 請被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7831].text 提名人你好
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transcript.whisperx[7832].text 我想這個雖然你是勞權的背景
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transcript.whisperx[7833].text 但是民眾關心的一些議題
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transcript.whisperx[7834].text 作為一個監察委員的提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7835].text 也應該都要同等的關心
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transcript.whisperx[7836].text 所以首先我就要就教你
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transcript.whisperx[7837].text 有關於最近的這個死案事件
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transcript.whisperx[7838].text 我想這個終點有指案
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transcript.whisperx[7839].text 從6月30號爆發以來
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transcript.whisperx[7840].text 到現在其實已經超過一個月了
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transcript.whisperx[7842].text 我們一直在立法院去追查
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transcript.whisperx[7843].text 這個到底真正發生的原因是什麼
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transcript.whisperx[7844].text 但是衛福部給了一個非常簡要的報告
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transcript.whisperx[7845].text 他說有這個原有的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7846].text 有製程的問題
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transcript.whisperx[7847].text 有講跟沒講一樣
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transcript.whisperx[7848].text 把所有的原因都講了
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transcript.whisperx[7849].text 但是沒有確切的一個調查
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transcript.whisperx[7850].text 甚至他的報告公布完之後
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transcript.whisperx[7851].text 被發現還有一批漏掉的
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transcript.whisperx[7852].text 而且已經銷往韓國
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transcript.whisperx[7853].text 所以這整個行政單位的作為
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transcript.whisperx[7854].text 一個是調查其實沒有確實
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transcript.whisperx[7855].text 然後就對外公布
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transcript.whisperx[7856].text 還有漏網之魚
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transcript.whisperx[7857].text 第二個是他們的開會的會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7858].text 最關鍵的7月4號
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transcript.whisperx[7859].text 在會議當中去決定了
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transcript.whisperx[7860].text 這個含有問題有品20%以下
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transcript.whisperx[7861].text 不用下架
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transcript.whisperx[7862].text 那這樣的一個決議做出來之後
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transcript.whisperx[7863].text 外面都在追問
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transcript.whisperx[7864].text 這樣的一個會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7865].text 為什麼不能公開
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transcript.whisperx[7866].text 而所有的專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[7867].text 都用ABCDEF整個代碼去掩蓋
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transcript.whisperx[7868].text 外界號稱為蓋牌
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transcript.whisperx[7870].text 一直到立法院7月不捨的追查之後
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transcript.whisperx[7871].text 8月5號
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transcript.whisperx[7872].text 整整一個月才願意對外公開會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7874].text 赫然被發現其中有一位專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[7875].text 朱彥華今天媒體直接爆出來
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transcript.whisperx[7876].text 這位專家學者出席關鍵的
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transcript.whisperx[7877].text 7月4號的會議
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transcript.whisperx[7878].text 但是他竟然被發現
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transcript.whisperx[7879].text 跟現在涉案的中聯
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transcript.whisperx[7880].text 他其實有進到他的場去查場
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transcript.whisperx[7881].text 而且跟他們參序
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transcript.whisperx[7882].text 當天是同一天
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transcript.whisperx[7884].text 一起來台北開會
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transcript.whisperx[7886].text 我現在就要就教我們的提名人了
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transcript.whisperx[7887].text 第一個
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transcript.whisperx[7888].text 這個行政單位所邀請的專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[7889].text 跟廠商關係密切
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transcript.whisperx[7890].text 可以一起參序
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transcript.whisperx[7891].text 同車
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transcript.whisperx[7892].text 然後共同出席會議
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transcript.whisperx[7893].text 請問他知道整個衛福部有沒有把關
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transcript.whisperx[7897].text 他沒有這個跟這個有關聯的廠商
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transcript.whisperx[7898].text 利益迴避
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transcript.whisperx[7899].text 甚至他還在會議上面
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transcript.whisperx[7900].text 就是積極主張20%以下
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transcript.whisperx[7901].text 還有問題有品的產品
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transcript.whisperx[7902].text 不用下架主導風向
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transcript.whisperx[7903].text 你個人怎麼看待這樣的事情
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transcript.whisperx[7904].text 因為監察員的職責
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transcript.whisperx[7905].text 是做行政上的一個糾正
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transcript.whisperx[7907].text 那我就問你沒有利益迴避這件事
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transcript.whisperx[7908].text 我是覺得如果說
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transcript.whisperx[7909].text 因為這個專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[7910].text 應該不是行政官員
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transcript.whisperx[7911].text 但是如果說
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transcript.whisperx[7912].text 我問你是衛福部的職責
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transcript.whisperx[7913].text 對 那我說如果這個衛福部
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transcript.whisperx[7914].text 他沒有來
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transcript.whisperx[7915].text 不管是提醒還是事後再開會的時候
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transcript.whisperx[7916].text 來做這種利益糾葛的一個揭露的話迴避
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transcript.whisperx[7917].text 我覺得呢
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transcript.whisperx[7918].text 那衛福部的角色就必須要受到質疑
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transcript.whisperx[7919].text 那如果說委員所說的
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transcript.whisperx[7920].text 這個專家學者
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transcript.whisperx[7921].text 他事實上跟中聯的高層的這種開餐敘啊
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transcript.whisperx[7922].text 這個同車
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transcript.whisperx[7923].text 到底跟這個後續審查中聯這個
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transcript.whisperx[7924].text 就那個會議
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transcript.whisperx[7925].text 他事實上是有沒有一個關聯性因果性
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transcript.whisperx[7926].text 我覺得也要來調查清楚
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transcript.whisperx[7927].text 因為如果說他已經是之前很久了
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transcript.whisperx[7928].text 那是這樣子的話
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transcript.whisperx[7929].text 沒有就是當天同車上台北開會
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transcript.whisperx[7930].text 就開這個會議
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transcript.whisperx[7931].text 你覺得這樣妥適嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7932].text 對 如果是當天
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transcript.whisperx[7933].text 那我不知道那個同車
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transcript.whisperx[7934].text 到底這個是不是搭便車還是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[7935].text 不過我覺得呢
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transcript.whisperx[7936].text 如果是企業提供的車
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transcript.whisperx[7937].text 那我覺得
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transcript.whisperx[7938].text 然後在車子裡面
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transcript.whisperx[7939].text 只有中聯跟這個學者專家的話
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transcript.whisperx[7940].text 那我覺得就不太適當
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transcript.whisperx[7941].text 就覺得不太適當
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transcript.whisperx[7942].text 那如果說在會議當中
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transcript.whisperx[7943].text 如果這個食藥署這邊沒有做到這個
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transcript.whisperx[7944].text 提醒這些學者專家要做相關的利益迴避的話
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transcript.whisperx[7945].text 那我覺得這個就有行政上的一個屬實
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transcript.whisperx[7946].text 好 所以你會覺得食藥署
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transcript.whisperx[7948].text 跟廠商的關係
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transcript.whisperx[7949].text 而且讓他進入到這麼一個決定性關鍵的專家會議
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transcript.whisperx[7950].text 那食藥署是不是失職
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transcript.whisperx[7951].text 對 這個我覺得這個
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transcript.whisperx[7952].text 確實這樣子
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transcript.whisperx[7953].text 這樣如果按照這樣子的話
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transcript.whisperx[7954].text 我覺得是引起社會大眾非常大的疑慮的
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transcript.whisperx[7955].text 對 好
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transcript.whisperx[7956].text 那第二個我要問的是
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transcript.whisperx[7957].text 這麼關鍵的一個會議的會議紀錄
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transcript.whisperx[7958].text 7月4號召開
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transcript.whisperx[7959].text 立法院一直詢問追查
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transcript.whisperx[7960].text 但是都不提供
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transcript.whisperx[7961].text 到8月5號是因為媒體已經揭露了
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transcript.whisperx[7962].text 揭露部分
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transcript.whisperx[7963].text 所以他們應該是紙包不住火
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transcript.whisperx[7964].text 才被迫提供出來
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transcript.whisperx[7965].text 一個行政單位我們講求政府應該是公開透明
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transcript.whisperx[7966].text 這一些專家學者的會議
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transcript.whisperx[7967].text 如果每一個人的發言都是秉持
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transcript.whisperx[7968].text 為了國人的食安
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transcript.whisperx[7969].text 應該可受公平
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transcript.whisperx[7970].text 也應該拿出來被解釋
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transcript.whisperx[7971].text 我記得這個後來政府都一直強調
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transcript.whisperx[7973].text 都一定會上網
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transcript.whisperx[7974].text 而且就是希望公開
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transcript.whisperx[7975].text 可受公平 接受監督
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transcript.whisperx[7976].text 結果衛福部這個會議
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transcript.whisperx[7977].text 遮遮掩掩了一個月之後才公布
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transcript.whisperx[7978].text 你作為一個監察委員的提名人
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transcript.whisperx[7980].text 而且是關鍵性的會議
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transcript.whisperx[7981].text 但選擇不揭露
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transcript.whisperx[7982].text 這樣的一個行政權
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transcript.whisperx[7983].text 不受立法院的監督
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transcript.whisperx[7985].text 你認為這樣子合適嗎
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transcript.whisperx[7986].text 對的 監察委員他
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transcript.whisperx[7987].text 事實上我認為監察委員
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transcript.whisperx[7989].text 就是說對於行政部分
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transcript.whisperx[7990].text 如果有失職違法的
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transcript.whisperx[7991].text 那他就等於是經過調查以後
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transcript.whisperx[7992].text 然後提出糾舉
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transcript.whisperx[7993].text 然後送給懲戒法院
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transcript.whisperx[7994].text 由懲戒法院再來處理
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transcript.whisperx[7995].text 所以我認為他有點像行政檢察官的角色
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transcript.whisperx[7999].text 對 我覺得他如果立案調查的話
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transcript.whisperx[8004].text 好 那另外一個我想請教的
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transcript.whisperx[8005].text 其實不只是現在大豆有出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8006].text 這個苦茶油到目前為止
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transcript.whisperx[8007].text 已經有七家廠商驗出來
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transcript.whisperx[8008].text 他的本田品通通都是超標的
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transcript.whisperx[8009].text 那所以油品的問題不只大豆有出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8010].text 苦茶油也出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8015].text 源頭的上游就已經出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8018].text 現在一年多的經費已經高達九十億了
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transcript.whisperx[8019].text 在這樣的情況底下
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transcript.whisperx[8025].text 會不會主動去立案調查
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transcript.whisperx[8026].text 去了解到底是哪一個緩解
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transcript.whisperx[8027].text 行政哪一個緩解出問題
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transcript.whisperx[8029].text 但是為什麼我們的食安還接連出包
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transcript.whisperx[8030].text 我們的食安五環破功
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transcript.whisperx[8031].text 到底行政單位他在一些積極的
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transcript.whisperx[8032].text 這個源頭把關
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transcript.whisperx[8033].text 還有他的行政處理上面
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transcript.whisperx[8034].text 到底哪些利有未待
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transcript.whisperx[8035].text 需要行政院要進一步去糾正他們的
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transcript.whisperx[8036].text 你覺得你作為一個監察院提名人
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transcript.whisperx[8037].text 你敢去立案調查嗎
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transcript.whisperx[8038].text 我覺得這個案件造成
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transcript.whisperx[8039].text 目前台灣民眾非常大的一個恐慌
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transcript.whisperx[8040].text 我覺得行政單位確實需要來具體說明
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transcript.whisperx[8041].text 我覺得有違法的確實是當然
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transcript.whisperx[8042].text 這個監察委員一定要來調查
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transcript.whisperx[8043].text 這樣子的這個過程當中
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transcript.whisperx[8044].text 到底行政官員有沒有疏失
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transcript.whisperx[8045].text 甚至我們的制度面法律面
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transcript.whisperx[8046].text 有沒有需要要改的地方
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transcript.whisperx[8047].text 我覺得應該監察院本來就是要反映民意
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transcript.whisperx[8048].text 透過很多民眾的懲情
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transcript.whisperx[8049].text 對於這個行政部門有這個缺失的提出調查
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transcript.whisperx[8050].text 然後來糾正這個問題
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transcript.whisperx[8051].text 我覺得也是一種
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transcript.whisperx[8052].text 等於是要去阻民眾的一個疑慮的這個
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transcript.whisperx[8053].text 那我告訴提名人
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transcript.whisperx[8054].text 這個案子從這個六月底爆發
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transcript.whisperx[8055].text 可能第六屆的監委覺得他即將要畢業了
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transcript.whisperx[8056].text 都沒有人主動立案
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transcript.whisperx[8057].text 也沒有想要再去管了
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transcript.whisperx[8058].text 所以這件事情是沒有人立案調查的
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transcript.whisperx[8059].text 那我們來看一下第六屆監察院
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transcript.whisperx[8060].text 他行使職權
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transcript.whisperx[8061].text 他相較於過去其實是呈現一個整個全面
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transcript.whisperx[8062].text 負成長的趨勢
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transcript.whisperx[8063].text 包括彈劾案件數下降了18.2%
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transcript.whisperx[8064].text 然後報告案下降了18.7%
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transcript.whisperx[8065].text 河派調查數下降了15.73%
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transcript.whisperx[8066].text 糾正案下降了7.6%
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transcript.whisperx[8067].text 所以最近為什麼廢除監察院的呼聲再起
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transcript.whisperx[8068].text 是因為監察院他功能不彰表現不佳
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transcript.whisperx[8069].text 所以我只能說你們這些被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[8070].text 有一些
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transcript.whisperx[8071].text 監察院的行政部長
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transcript.whisperx[8072].end 33181.51
transcript.whisperx[8072].text 打擊你
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transcript.whisperx[8073].text 所以不在監察院的行政部長上面
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transcript.whisperx[8074].text 這個要不要大家去跟監察院吃飯
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transcript.whisperx[8075].text 好 謝謝王委員
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transcript.whisperx[8076].text 報告全院委員會
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transcript.whisperx[8077].text 對監察委員被提名人張豐益詢答部分到此為止
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transcript.whisperx[8078].text 謝謝張被提名人列席答詢
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transcript.whisperx[8079].text 8月13日星期日上午9時繼續開會
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transcript.whisperx[8080].text 審查監察委員被提名人
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transcript.whisperx[8081].text 林慧芳 孫立信 李立芬 陳景俊 彭少景 葉怡君
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transcript.whisperx[8082].text 資格相關事宜
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transcript.whisperx[8083].text 現在休息