| IVOD_ID |
17659 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17659 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-11 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-11T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-11T17:44:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:14:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609396726f4ffb1bb4d9b5fa2f296a93534d4a54903b68e37ffbcbc62c9122361c25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次全院委員會(事由:總統咨,為監察院第六屆監察委員任期於115年7月31日屆滿。茲依據憲法增修條文第7條第2項、監察院組織法第3條之1及監察院國家人權委員會組織法第3條規定,提名陳永興、王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬、陳景峻、彭紹瑾、廖婉汝、葉宜津、林麗瑩、侯廷昌、李光章、林文程、賴鼎銘、邱駿彥、徐光蓉、邱泰源、賴振昌、莊勝榮、吳梓生、王志誠、Iban Nokan、謝政達、林佳範、許有為、趙卿惠29位為監察院第七屆監察委員,並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員、王榮璋為副院長;王榮璋、高天惠Eleng Tjaljimaraw、張菊芳、張烽益、林惠芳、孫一信、李麗芬7位適用監察院組織法第3條之1第1項第7款資格,咨請同意案(本案經本院第11屆第5會期第15次會議決定,有關總統提名廖婉汝、謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分,毋庸處理,其餘交全院委員會審查)。) |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:59 - 17:44:00 |
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1903.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
1905.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
報告全院委員會 現在進行討論事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
1906.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
1913.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
總統之提名陳永興 王榮章等人為監察院第七屆監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
1913.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
1919.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
並以陳永興為院長兼任監察院國家人權委員會主任委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
1919.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1922.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
王榮章為副院長 執勤同一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
1922.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1923.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
本案經 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
1924.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1927.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
本案前進本會期第15次會議決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1927.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
1933.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
有關總統提名廖宛如 謝政達為第七屆監察委員部分無庸處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
1933.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
1936.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
其餘交由全院委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
1936.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
1943.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
附經第20次會議決定8月11日 13日 18日 20日及24日召開全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
1943.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
1946.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
並合併為一次會進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
1946.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
1948.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
源於本次會議提出審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
1948.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
1949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
報告全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
1949.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
今天上午分別審查監察院院長 副院長被提名人之資格及是否施政相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
1956.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
1960.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
審查時由被提名人說明10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
1960.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1962.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
再進行7位委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
1962.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
1964.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
每位委員詢答時間10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
1964.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
1967.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
採及問及答方式進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
1967.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
1970.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
輪到詢問委員如果不在場 示威棄權 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
1970.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
1977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
現在先審查監察委員並為院長被提名人陳永興之資格相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
1977.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1981.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
請被提名人陳永興先生說明時間為10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1996.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1999.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
主席 各位委員 各位女士 先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
1999.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2000.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
大家早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2000.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2004.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
今天是立法院依憲法所賦予的同意權 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2004.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
審查總統提名之第七屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2007.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
監察院院長 副院長及監察委員人選 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2011.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2014.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
本人僅以監察院長被提名人的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2014.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
就監察院未來的發展走向 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2017.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2020.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
向各位委員報告 敬請不吝指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2020.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
第一 為什麼接受提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2023.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
本人畢業於高雄醫學院 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2025.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2028.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
學生時代就關心小兒麻痹兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2028.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2031.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
也關心原住民陳籌組3D服務團 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2031.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2035.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
前往霧台鄉為盧凱族提供醫療服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2035.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2037.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
畢業後我選擇了精神科 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2037.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2042.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
因為當時的臺灣社會願意照顧精神病人的醫師不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2042.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我卻覺得精神病患同樣享有基本人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2047.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2050.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
50年來我不僅在臨床上照顧病人 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2050.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
更為了爭取病人的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2053.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2056.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
本人曾積極推動精神衛生法 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2056.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2061.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
職能治療司法 社工司法 心理司法等的相關立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2061.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2064.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
也催生了精神病患家屬團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2064.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2066.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
致力於教育社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2066.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2069.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
減少對精神疾病的污名化 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
2069.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
鼓勵更多的年輕醫師投入精神醫療領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2075.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
逐步來提升臺灣精神醫療的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2075.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2077.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
在從事醫療工作的同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2077.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2081.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
本人也積極投入臺灣人權的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2081.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
1986年我曾擔任臺灣人權促進會會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
2085.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
當時關心政治受難者 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
2087.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
身心障礙者 婦女 勞工 原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
2090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2093.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
兒童等弱勢團體的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
2093.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
1987年更發起了228和平日促進會 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
2097.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
倡議政府補償無辜的228受難者家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2101.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2104.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
明定228為國定紀念日 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2104.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2106.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
當時戒嚴尚未解除 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
2106.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2109.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
很多人認為這樣的訴求不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
2109.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我始終對臺灣社會充滿信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
2112.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2115.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
相信我們有能力化解審及對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
2115.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2117.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
正視歷史傷痕 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
2117.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2120.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
也努力展開臺灣的轉型正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2120.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2122.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
除了關心臺灣的人權發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2122.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2125.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我也很重視文化與教育的長根 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
2125.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2128.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
在醫學院我講授醫學史 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2128.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
醫學與文學 醫學倫理等課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2130.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
希望能提高學生的人文素養 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2135.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
我曾經擔任立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2135.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
在立法院擔任教育委員會召集委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
主導多項教育改革的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
也獲得民間監督團體評選為 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2145.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
表現優良的立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2146.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2149.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我曾經擔任高雄市衛生局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2149.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2151.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
任內推動多項改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2151.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2155.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
甚至因為嚴格取締不法廠商跟食品業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2155.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2158.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
受不法業者固凶行刺 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2158.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2161.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
過程中也有民代介入觀說 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2161.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
但我始終堅持依法研辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
這些經歷使我深刻了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2171.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
臺灣行政體系及少數不法業者的生態 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2171.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2173.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
也是我挑戰政治黑暗面 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2173.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2177.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
推動改革不畏犧牲的堅持的風格 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2177.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2181.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
SARS期間我擔任南區SARS總指揮官 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2181.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
成功帶領了南臺灣度過危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
守護了民眾健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2189.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我在羅東生母醫院院長期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2189.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2191.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
以及之後在 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2191.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2194.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
花蓮門諾基金會董事長期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2194.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2197.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
都為了照顧偏鄉的老人及長照 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2197.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2201.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
努力興建了臺灣第一座老人醫療大樓 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2201.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2204.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
現在我仍然為屏東基督教醫院奔走 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2204.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2207.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
協助募款重建醫院區 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
2207.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
2209.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
希望提升南臺灣的醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
2209.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
2211.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
照顧偏鄉民眾的健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
2211.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
2213.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
在我的心目中 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
2213.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
2217.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
監察院應該是一個立場超然的憲政機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
2217.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
2219.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
要追求社會的公平正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
2219.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
2222.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
糾談貪腐失職的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
2222.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
2224.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
更應該成為保障國民權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
2224.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
2226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
落實人權照顧的後盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
2226.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
2227.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我必身 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
2229.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
2231.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
照顧弱勢維護人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
2231.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
2234.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
追求公義的初衷始終沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
2234.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
2237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
所以如果有機會出任監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
2237.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
2240.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我必全力提升監察院應有的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
2240.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
2244.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
第二對監察院廢除的看法和可行性探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
2245.17 |
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2247.17 |
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自從賴總統公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
2247.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
2249.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
下一屆監院的 |
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2249.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
2251.49 |
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委員的名單之後 |
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2251.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
2253.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
社會上有不少廢除監察院的呼聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
2253.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
2258.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
甚至有主張應該全數刪除監察院的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
2258.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
2261.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
並否決總統所提名的監察委員人選 |
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2261.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
2264.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
這樣的主張是否合理可行呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
2264.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
2268.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
現在的中華民國憲法仍為五權憲法架構 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
2268.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
2270.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
監察院依法行使調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
2270.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
2273.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
糾正糾舉彈劾及審計職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
2274.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
2276.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
監察院內還有國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
2276.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
2280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
另外陽光法案負責公職人員財產申報 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
2280.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
2284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
競選經費申報及政黨財產申報的監督 |
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2284.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
2288.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
如果沒有經過修憲程序就凍結了監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
2288.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
2293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
等同放棄了對公務員貪瀆不法的重要監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
2293.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
2296.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
也放棄了攸關全民人權保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
2296.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
2299.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
銜接國際人權體系的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
2299.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
2302.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
這樣的結果恐怕不是解決問題的方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
2302.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
2304.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
終結監察院不是不可行 |
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2304.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
2308.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
但關鍵在於如何建立全民共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
2308.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
2312.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
本人的潛艦認為將來若有適當時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
2312.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
2314.89 |
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由總統召開國事會議 |
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2314.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
2318.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
邀集五院代表及朝野政黨代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
2318.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
2322.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
人權團體及弱勢團體還有憲政學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
2322.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
2325.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
共同來研議憲法的修正方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
2325.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
2328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
監察權如何轉移審計權如何歸屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
2328.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
2331.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
國家人權委員會何去何從 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
2331.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
2333.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
陽關法案如何落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
2333.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
2335.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
這些有了共識以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
2335.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
2338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
再送由立法院進入修憲程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
2338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
2340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
需要四分之三立委的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
2340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
2343.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
如果朝野不合作根本不能通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
2345.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
2347.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
之後還要交付公民投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
2347.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
2349.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
取得過半數的同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
2350.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
2353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
如果沒有全民共識這麼高的門檻 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
2353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
2355.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
公投案也不可能通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
2355.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
2357.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我們回顧歷史李登輝總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
2357.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
2360.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
當年為了廢除國民大會 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
2360.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
2361.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
推動總統直選 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
2361.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
2363.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
就是召開了國事會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
2363.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
2366.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
凝聚朝野政黨跟民間的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
2366.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
2368.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
才能夠一舉完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
2368.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
2371.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
第三監察院需要改革提升功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
2371.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
2373.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
在監察院尚未廢除以前 |
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2373.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
2376.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
我認為更迫切的課題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
2376.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
2378.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
推動監察院的改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
2378.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
2380.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
我認為監察院沒有化會功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
2381.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
2384.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
而且不曉得監察院到底在做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
2385.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
2387.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
本人獲提名後努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
2387.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
2389.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
看了監察院的資料才發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
2389.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
2393.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
從民國109年到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
2393.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
2395.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
六年間監察院接受了 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
2395.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
2397.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
人民陳情案件十萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
2398.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
2400.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
成立的彈劾案有227案 |
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2400.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
2402.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
糾正案520案 |
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2402.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
2404.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
要求改善案1300案 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
2404.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
2407.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
平均每年要受理15000個案子 |
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2407.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
2410.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
每個監察委員的辦案量超過600案 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
2411.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
2414.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
除了辦案他們還要參與彈劾案的聯席審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
2414.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
2416.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
工作負荷量其實蠻重 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
2417.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
2419.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
監察案件網友需要深入調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
2419.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
2421.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
花費相當長的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
2421.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
2423.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
彈劾案能夠成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
2423.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
2425.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
大多為高階的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
2425.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
2429.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
甚至不乏檢察官跟法官遭彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
2429.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
2431.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
可見台灣社會對司法不公 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
2431.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
2434.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
行政不法確實有相當的民怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
2434.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
2438.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
監察院既是人民深淵的最後救濟管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
2438.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
2440.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
也是追求社會公益 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
2440.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
2442.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
保障人權的重要憲政機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
2442.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
2446.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
如何提升他的辦案的品質跟效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
2446.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
2448.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
才是監察院改革的重心 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
2448.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
2450.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我作為一個醫療工作者 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
2450.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
2453.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
當我們發現一個醫院服務品質不好的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
2453.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
2456.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
我們通常是找更好的醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
2456.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
2459.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
提升醫院的設備來改善醫療品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
2459.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
2461.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
而不是將醫院關門 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
2461.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
2464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
就好像我們覺得台灣治安不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
2464.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
2467.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我們應該是要提升警察的素質 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
2468.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
2470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
增加他們的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
2470.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
2472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
而不增加警政署的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
2472.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
2474.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
不是將警政署廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
2474.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
2476.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
第四 我對監察院改革的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
2477.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
2479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我如果能夠獲得立法院同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
2479.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
2481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
順利進入監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
2481.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
2483.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
我將推動以下重大改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
2483.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
2485.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
第一 設置發言人 |
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2485.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
2486.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
定期召開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
2486.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
2488.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
公佈監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
2488.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
2490.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
懲辦的案件及結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
2491.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
2493.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
而且我們也會注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
2493.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
2496.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
保障個人隱私跟辦案期間不受干涉 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
2496.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
2499.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
第二 我們鼓勵媒體跟公民監督團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
2499.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
2501.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
定期評鑑監察委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
2501.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
2503.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
表現 就像現在立法院有公督們 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
2503.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
2505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
每年評鑑立委的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
2505.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
2507.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
第三 監察院內部我們自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
2507.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
2509.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
2509.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
2511.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
辦案流程追蹤考核機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
2511.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
2513.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
自我提升服務品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
2513.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
2515.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
同時訂定自律公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
2515.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
2517.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
第四 積極的爭取預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
2517.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
2521.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
希望能增加調查官及調查人員的人力及數值 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
2521.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
2525.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
第五 我希望在公務人員訓練中心及文官訓練所 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
2525.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
2527.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
納入人權公約的課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
2527.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
2529.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
由人權委員及人權學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
2530.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
2532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
提升公務員對人權保障的重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
2534.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
2538.25 |
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第六 在監察院內我們自己成立修憲小組 |
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2538.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
2541.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
由憲政學者的背景來就修憲內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
2541.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
2543.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
提出具體的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
2543.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
2545.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
讓監察院在修正過程中 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
2545.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
2547.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
也扮演積極的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
2547.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
2549.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
結語 行公義好臨民 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
2549.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
2551.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
存謙卑的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
2551.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
2555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
是我被提名為下屆監察委員及院長的自我取許 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
2555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
2558.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
我希望能超越黨派以無私之心 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
2558.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
2560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
為臺灣社會和人民奉獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
2560.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
2563.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
將我的餘生投入監察院的改革工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
2563.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
2566.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
使監察院成為民眾信賴依靠的 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
2566.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
2569.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
最後深淵與人權保障之地 |
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2569.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
2571.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
我期盼改革後的監察院 |
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2571.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
2574.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
不會成為終結監察院的絆腳石 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
2574.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
2578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
而是成為上帝應許公義得以彰顯的所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
2578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
2582.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
謝謝主席 謝謝各位議員進行指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
2582.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
2585.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
好 謝謝陳佩提名人之說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
2588.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
2590.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
現在進行委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
2590.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
2592.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
首先請翁委員小林詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
2594.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
2596.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
陳詐之委請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
2610.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
2613.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
主席好 還有再坐這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
2613.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
2614.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
再坐各位委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
2614.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
2618.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
然後有請陳佩提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
2621.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
2623.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
陳佩提名人陳醫師你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
2623.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
2627.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
那麼我想上週立法院有舉辦監察院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
2627.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
2630.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
監察委員的審查公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
2630.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
2632.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
當時許多專家學者都指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
2632.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
2635.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這次的賴清德總統提名的監委的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
2635.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
2640.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
政治色彩濃厚 然後專業配置失衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
2640.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
2642.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
基本上沒有一個工程背景的 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
2642.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
2644.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
這個佩提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
2644.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
2648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
也沒有相關跟財經專長有關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
2648.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
2651.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
背景的這個佩提名人也相當的有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
2651.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
2653.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
那許多的佩提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
2653.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
2655.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
甚至很難以達到就是憲法上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
2655.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
2657.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
對於監察委員所要求的 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
2657.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
2660.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
要具備專業性中立性和獨立性 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
2660.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
2662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
那外界同樣的也質疑就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
2662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
2665.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
其實賴清德總統他提出的這份監委的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
2665.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
2668.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
基本上擺明了其實就是犧牲黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
2668.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
2672.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
因為呢這個不太可能會全數通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
2672.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
2674.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
不過看起來賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
2674.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
2676.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
其實可能也毫不在乎 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
2676.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
2677.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
也無所謂 |
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2677.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
2680.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
因為他重要的目的就是要把在野黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
2680.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
2682.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
貼上是杯葛改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
2682.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
2685.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
然後癱瘓政府的這樣一個標籤 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
2685.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
2689.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
為年底的選舉增添這個天才加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
2689.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
2692.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
那也不是在尋求憲政機關的適當的人選 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
2692.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
2694.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
不過儘管如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
2694.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
2697.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
我們雖然說這份名單本身看起來不是很滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
2697.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
2701.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
可是呢基於就是作為立法委員的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
2701.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
2703.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
我還是要嚴謹的來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
2703.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
2707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
監察委員被提名人的這個資格條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
2707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
2710.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
那麼在這邊我首先想要講的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
2710.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
2713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
其實這個被提名陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
2713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
2716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
您也曾經擔任國立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
2716.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
2717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
大概都知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
2717.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
2720.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
我們作為中華民國政府的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
2721.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
2725.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
最重要的就是要對中華民國憲法忠誠 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
2725.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
2727.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
要對中華民國效忠 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
2727.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
2729.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我想這是必備的要件 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
2729.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
2734.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
那麼可是陳醫師就是外界都稱呼您是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
2734.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
2736.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
獨派的醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
2737.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
2743.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
您長期主張台灣人共同要追求建立一個新而獨立的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
2743.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
2747.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那過去也曾經發起過新的新的台灣人運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
2747.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
2752.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
並且批評中華民國的名稱是無法代表台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
2752.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
2757.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
而且難以接受這個中華民國這個虛幻 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
2757.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
2759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
且看不到未來的稱號 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
2759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
2761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
所以呢本席在此想要請教就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
2761.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
2766.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
您到現在是否依然堅定支持台灣獨立運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
2766.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
2769.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
並建立以台灣為名的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
2771.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
2775.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
我一直是一個台灣本土意識很強的 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
2776.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
2778.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
2778.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
2780.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
2779.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
2781.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
在戒嚴沒有解除以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
2782.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
2788.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
中華民國沒有人權保障沒有言論自由一黨獨大 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
2788.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
2791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
那那個時候我就很不能認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
2791.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
2792.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
2793.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
2796.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
我一生只有一本中華民國的護照 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
2796.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
2798.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
我只有中華民國的身份證 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
2798.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
2799.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
2799.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
2803.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
對於中華民國我很贊同現在賴總統說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
2803.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
2805.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
中華民國跟台灣已經融合了 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
2805.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
2807.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
幾十年來我們共同的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
2807.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
2811.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
現在中華民國已經是一個自由民主 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
2813.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
2815.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
的一個國家多元的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
2815.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
2818.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
您的意思是說您現在已經放棄了台獨 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
2818.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
2822.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
放棄了以建立台灣共和國為目的的這樣的一個目標嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
2822.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
2824.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
我不是說放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
2824.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
2828.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
這是個人的一個政治理念跟信仰跟理想 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
2828.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
2830.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
但是目前的中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
2830.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
2836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我還是根據五權憲法能夠行使五權憲法的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
2836.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
2840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我進入監察院我照樣是維護中華民國的憲政體制 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
2840.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
2844.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
因為您今天在這個會場上面的談話 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
2844.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
2850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
跟您過去在其他的媒體或其他的這個活動場合裡面的言論 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
2850.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
2852.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
基本上是很不相同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
2852.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
2856.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
那麼我想就是您應該知道您一旦獲准 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
2856.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
2860.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
能夠擔任中華民國監察院的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
2860.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
2864.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
就必須要宣誓要恪遵中華民國憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
2864.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
2867.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
要宣誓要效忠中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
2867.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
2869.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
您會說到做到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
2870.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
2871.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
你說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
2871.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
2873.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
就是如果你擔任監察院的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
2873.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
2875.52 |
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你必須要宣誓 |
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宣誓效忠中華民國 |
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宣誓要恪遵中華民國憲法 |
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你可以做到嗎 |
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這不會跟你的這個政治信仰 |
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有所違背 |
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2885 |
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2886 |
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我不覺得 |
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2886 |
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2887 |
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你不覺得 |
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2887 |
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2888 |
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是 |
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2888 |
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2890 |
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所以呢你接下來就是說 |
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基本上就是如果擔任監察院院長 |
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你認為說你可以拋棄你的這個台獨的這個政治信仰 |
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然後好好的做一個效忠中華民國憲法 |
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而且認為中華民國是具有合法代表性的 |
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這樣的一個監察院院長是嗎 |
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對我想我剛剛有說到我不是要拋棄 |
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我是覺得中華民國現在跟台灣已經結合 |
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2300萬人是一個共同命運體 |
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那我們要維護中華民國 |
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不被中華人民共和國所併吞 |
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2926.58 |
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維護這個中華民國的主權存在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
2927.58 |
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謝謝陳醫師 |
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我想就是說你今天這樣的想法 |
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不管這種說法我想不管是獨派或是統派 |
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2933.58 |
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2938.58 |
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大多數的民眾可能無法接受像您這樣子表裡不一 |
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2938.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
2942.58 |
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言行不一的人來擔任監察院院長 |
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2942.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
2948.58 |
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那您可以今天為了就是這個監察院院長的這樣一個名氣名利 |
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2949.58 |
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拋棄長久的堅持 |
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2949.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
2954.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
我想對於很多人來講這個不是一種人格分裂 |
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2954.58 |
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2957.58 |
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可能就是代表一種綠綠心心法 |
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2957.58 |
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2959.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我想中華民國的內涵已經改變了 |
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2959.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
2961.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
過去的中華民國也不是現在的中華民國 |
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2963.47 |
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2968.47 |
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以前的中華民國是要包括中國大陸還要反攻大陸 |
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2971.47 |
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現在的國民黨也不講這個東西了嘛 |
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所以中華民國已經實質改變了 |
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陳院長陳北廷議員我想就是就這個議題來講 |
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我們其實因為從您過去的言行到現在到您今天進入到立法院這個議場 |
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之前的所有的談話我們都很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
2993.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
您甚至當時還批評蔡英文說她把民進黨變成中華民國派 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
2993.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
2996.47 |
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把民進黨變成是國民黨化 |
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3002.47 |
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但像這樣子的一個言論基本上在您今天剛跟您對談之前 |
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3006.47 |
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大家覺得說您應該是一個堅定的台獨信仰者 |
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3006.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
3009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
怎麼為了今天這個監察院院長的這個職位 |
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3009.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
3014.47 |
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然後就可以從台獨派華民轉身成為中華民國派 |
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3014.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
3021.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
我想這個部分的話是大家可能比較沒有辦法可能是無法接受的一件事情 |
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3021.47 |
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3024.47 |
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因為這個真的在我看起來您不是具有多重人格 |
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3024.47 |
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3026.47 |
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要不然就是說可能為了這些名利 |
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3029.47 |
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你可以就是拋棄你過去長久以來一些 |
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3029.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
3031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
我從來不追求個人的名利 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
3031.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
3036.47 |
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好那接下來我想請教您就是說因為您被提名為監察院院長 |
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3036.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
3041.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
那麼對於這個到底未來監察院何去何從要不要廢除的這個議題 |
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3041.47 |
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3044.47 |
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本席基本上看了您的一些說明 |
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3044.47 |
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3046.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
基本上您是樂觀其成對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
3046.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
3048.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
這個廢除監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
3048.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
3050.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
基本上是樂觀其成嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
3050.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
3053.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
就是平間主張從五權改為三權分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
3053.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
3054.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
對不對 |
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3056.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
3058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
就是監察權怎麼轉移 |
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3058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
3061.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
這個是要有很詳細的配套 |
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3061.49 |
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3063.49 |
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好的那麼基本上我想六年覺得 |
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3063.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
3064.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
不是一句話廢就廢 |
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3065.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
3067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
好陳秉霖陳醫師是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
3067.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
3069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
六年前我想陳菊也曾經說過 |
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3069.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
3072.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
她期許自己是最後一任的監察院院長 |
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3072.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
3075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
完成最後任務之後呢就會光榮離開 |
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3075.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
3078.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
但是很遺憾的是我們看到陳菊院長 |
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3078.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
3082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
她不但沒有完成終結監察院的使命成為末代的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
3082.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
3088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
反倒是創下了中華民國有史以來請假最長的監察院院長和政務官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
3088.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
3090.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
她請假超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
3090.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
3092.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
那她請病假是請好請滿 |
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3092.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
3094.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
而且站的位置又不做事 |
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3094.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
3097.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
所以基本上就把監察院當成了養老院 |
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| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
3100.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
那所以本席在此要請教您的是 |
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3100.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
3103.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
您是抱著什麼樣的心態來擔任監察院院長 |
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3103.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
3105.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
是像陳菊院長一樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
3105.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
3108.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
然後把自己期許為是一個末代院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
3108.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
3111.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
然後之後可以廢掉這個監察院 |
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3111.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
3113.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
還有第二個問題就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
3117.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
有了像陳菊這種一年都沒有來上班 |
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3117.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
3119.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
她請假請到現任這個前例 |
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3119.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
3121.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
現在大家都會很擔心說 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
3121.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
3124.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
萬一有個院長也如法炮製 |
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3124.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
3127.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
然後長期請假不來上班也不請辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
3127.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
3130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
讓院長的職缺可以空缺一年 |
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3130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
3134.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
那您認為陳菊這樣的做法是否可取 |
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3134.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
3138.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
那政務人員未來請假是不是應該要有所期間的限制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
3141.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
如果是您會像陳菊一樣 |
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3141.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
3143.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
萬一有假設請病假的時候 |
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3143.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
3145.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
你會像她一樣請好請滿嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
3146.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
3150.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
第一個過去六年因為朝野沒有啟動修憲的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
3150.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
3152.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
所以監察院沒有被廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
3152.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
3154.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
那這個不是監察院的問題 |
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3154.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
3156.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
因為修憲的 |
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3156.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
3157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
請問您是什麼樣的心態 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
3157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
3159.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
您會期許自己是一個末代院長嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
3160.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
3162.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
我希望我是監察院的改革者 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
3163.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
3166.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
至於監察院的終結者應該是全民 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
3167.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
3169.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
那第二個請假的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
3169.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
3171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
我如果自己身體不健康 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
3171.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
3172.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
我馬上請辭 |
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3173.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
3175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
所以您不會像陳菊這樣吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
3175.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
3177.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
請假請了超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
3177.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
3178.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
我沒有想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
3179.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
3181.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
一定要做監察院長 |
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3181.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
3183.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
但是我既然做監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
3183.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
3185.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
我就要改革監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
3185.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
3188.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
民眾深淵真的公義得以彰顯之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
3188.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
3190.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
不能花費這樣的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
3190.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
3191.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
我也不想做 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
3191.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
3193.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
好謝謝陳培庭秘人 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
3193.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
3195.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
我覺得從您的說法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
3195.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
3198.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
基本上我是對於您對陳菊的這種做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
3198.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
3201.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
認為是一個不可取不值得效法的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
3201.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
3204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
本席值得對您的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
3204.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
3206.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
我沒有這樣批評 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
3206.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
3207.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
我是說我自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
3207.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
3209.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
但是本席還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
3209.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
3212.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
您假設有一天可以擔任監察院長的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
3212.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
3214.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
應該要效忠中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
3214.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
3215.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
這以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
3219.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
3222.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
好謝謝黃委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
3222.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
3225.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
現在我們請陳昭之委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
3230.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
3230.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
3232.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
3234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
陳培庭秘人這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
3234.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
3237.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
犯人質疑期間你可以先休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
3248.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
3248.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
3249.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
3250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
3250.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
3254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
有請監察院長 培庭秘人陳永新先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
3254.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
3256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
請陳培庭秘人 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
3257.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
3257.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
3262.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
3263.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
好 培庭秘人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
3263.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
3265.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
以下我稱呼您陳醫師好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
3266.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
3267.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
3267.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
3270.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
陳醫師我們曾經長期站在同一個陣營 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
3270.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
3273.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
至少有30年的時間吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
3273.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
3276.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
應該是遠從李正元教授時期開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
3276.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
3280.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
我相信我們有許多共同的民主信念跟普世價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
3280.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
3283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
也都是在那個時期一起建立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
3283.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
3287.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
1993年您競選花蓮縣縣長 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
3287.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
3290.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
我跟我先生還有許多醫藥界的朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
3290.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
3294.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
我們搭火車到花蓮去幫您助選掃街 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
3295.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
3296.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
3297.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
3297.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
3298.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
3302.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
我自認為我還是站在這個原點 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
3302.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
3303.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
最初的原點 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
3303.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
3306.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
秉持這個初衷跟這個價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
3306.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
3308.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
但是我又親眼見證了 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
3309.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
3312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
曾經全力支持著從一盤散沙 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
3312.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
3313.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
到全力政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
3313.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
3315.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
到政黨的輪替 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
3315.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
3316.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
首次政黨輪替 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
3316.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
3318.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
到完全執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
3318.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
3321.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
乃至於到今天的這個三度執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
3321.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
3322.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
3323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
3324.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
這個我所支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
3324.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
3326.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
當時的這樣一個民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
3326.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
3328.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
已經慢慢偏離了原點 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
3328.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
3330.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
慢慢越走的越遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
3330.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
3331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
3331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
3332.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
我們上一次的會面 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
3332.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
3334.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
應該是2019年6月7號 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
3335.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
3337.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
我們同坐在一個記者會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
3337.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
3340.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
那時我們跟吳理培執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
3341.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
3343.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
跟那個法醫高大成先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
3343.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
3345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
坐在一個記者會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
3345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
3346.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
我們共同去支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
3347.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
3351.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
挑戰當時要競選連任總統的賴清德先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
3351.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
3354.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
當時我們是選擇一個人煙許少的路 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
3354.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
3356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
因為那時候我們是少數 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
3357.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
3360.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
陳醫師我在7月23號 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
3360.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
3363.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
看到您來拜會韓院長的照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
3364.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
3367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
那您效命運的態度非常的友善 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
3367.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
3370.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
那當時我心中有非常大的感觸 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
3371 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
3373 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
陳幾何時陳醫師您願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
3373 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
3376 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
願意跟這個韓院長握手 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
3376 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
3378 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
那我想請問陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
3378 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
3380 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
您之前是否認識韓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
3380 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
3381.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
有跟他互動過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
3382.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
3383.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
在此之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
3385.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
3388.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
我當然韓院長是大眾人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
3388.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
3389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我當然知道他 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
3389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
3391.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
但是私下沒有互動過 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
3391.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
3392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
沒有互動啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
3394.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
3395.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
所以我們對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
3396.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
3398.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
之前的認知可能都是來自 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
3398.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
3401.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
比較統溫層的媒體等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
3401.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
3402.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
那我們都兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
3402.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
3404.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
我們兩個都曾經用力的批評過韓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
3404.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
3405.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
是這樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
3405.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
3407.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
那您批評的力道也不會比我輕 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
3407.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
3409.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
您用字的用字譴辭 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
3409.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
3411.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
大概也不會比我客氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
3411.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
3413.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
事實上我們批評他的主因 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
3413.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
3416.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
我相信其中很重要一個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
3416.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
3419.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
是因為他是屬於相對親中的 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
3419.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
3422.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
國民黨的政治人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
3422.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
3425.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
那跟我們兩個國家認同是有差別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
3425.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
3427.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
陳醫師我可不可以知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
3427.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
3429.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
那天您握韓院長的手的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
3429.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
3431.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
您的感覺是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
3432.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
3433.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
3433.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
3434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
3434.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
3435.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
3435.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
3436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
3436.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
3437.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
3437.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
3438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
3438.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
3439.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
3439.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
3440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
3440.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
3441.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
3441.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
3442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
3442.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
3443.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
3443.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
3444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
3444.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
3445.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
3445.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
3446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
3446.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
3447.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
3447.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
3448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
3448.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
3449.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
3449.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
3450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
3450.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
3451.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
3451.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
3452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
3452.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
3453.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
3453.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
3454.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
3454.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
3455.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
3455.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
3456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
3456.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
3457.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
3457.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
3458.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
3458.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
3459.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
3459.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
3460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
3460.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
3461.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
我真的不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
3433.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
3435.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
那天我們是客人 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
3435.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
3438.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
我們是來拜會立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
3438.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
3442.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
那這個韓院長他對每一個來訪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
3442.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
3446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
監察委員人選都是親切握手 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
3446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
3447.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
3448.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
3451.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
那個潘孟安秘書長請我們握手 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
3451.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
3452.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
我也是很自然而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
3452.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
3455.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
沒有什麼特別的其他意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
3455.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
3456.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
3456.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
3458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
那陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
3458.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
3461.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
您與一群夥伴開辦這個民報 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
3461.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
3464.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
那當時我是為台灣發聲嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
3464.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
3465.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
當時我是非常的敬佩 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
3465.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
3467.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
因為我聽到很多人說 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
3467.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
3468.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
如果你要害死一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
3468.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
3470.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
就勸他去辦報紙 辦雜誌 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
3470.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
3472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
因為這是注定一個不會賺錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
3472.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
3475.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
可能是會虧錢的一個行業 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
3475.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
3477.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我也非常的清楚明白 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
3477.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
3479.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
剛剛我們稍微提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
3480.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
3482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
您不是所謂的華獨 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
3482.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
3484.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
而是所謂的台獨 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
3484.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
3486.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
因為您反對將台灣的命運 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
3486.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
3490.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
交給比較虛幻的中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
3490.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
3491.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
我這個說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
3491.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
3493.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
因為我對這個說法太熟悉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
3493.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
3495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
但是陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
3495.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
3496.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
在民進黨完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
3496.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
3498.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
民進黨從這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
3498.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
3500.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
到完全執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
3500.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
3502.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
那八年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
3502.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
3503.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
那所謂的台派獨派 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
3503.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
3506.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
我覺得幾乎都某個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
3506.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
3509.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
變癢 變聾 變瞎了 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
3509.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
3511.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
為什麼我要這樣說呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
3511.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
3513.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
因為過去他們承諾我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
3513.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
3515.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
每一件事情都沒有做 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
3515.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
3519.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
包括制憲 正名 國號 國歌 國旗 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
3519.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
3521.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
甚至改用新元紀念 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
3521.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
3522.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
大概是陳總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
3522.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
3523.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
出現過一小段時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
3524.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
3526.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
一件事都沒有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
3526.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
3529.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
連嘗試努力的企圖也看不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
3529.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
3531.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
然而同時 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
3531.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
3533.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
我卻看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
3533.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
3535.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
一起長大的民進黨的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
3537.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
3539.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
同仁們最悄悄的 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
3539.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
3541.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
慢慢的質變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
3541.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
3543.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
開始出現了我們當年 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
3543.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
3545.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
一起批評國民黨的 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
3545.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
3548.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
作為的那些事項行為都出現了 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
3548.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
3550.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
所以我想您才會在2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
3550.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
3551.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
拍了一部 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
3551.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
3554.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
這部片子給台派的真心話 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
3554.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
3555.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
裡面這樣說 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
3556.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
3558.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
今天不是說民進黨這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
3558.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
3559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
我們的事就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
3559.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
3562.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
也不是說做了一選一的台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
3562.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
3564.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
做中華民國的總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
3564.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
3566.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
我們的事就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
3567.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
3568.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
3568.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
3570.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
您並不認為蔡英文總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
3570.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
3572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
所講的中華民國台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
3572.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
3574.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
就是等於台灣建國已經完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
3574.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
3576.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
我的理解正確嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
3576.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
3578.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
我的理解有正確嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
3578.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
3579.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
陳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
3579.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
3581.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
我離開民進黨20年以上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
3581.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
3582.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
所以你的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
3582.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
3583.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
我們在談信念 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
3583.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
3585.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
你的感受我也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
3586.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
3587.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
3587.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
3588.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
那我今天被提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
3588.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
3590.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
不是被民進黨提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
3592.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
3593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
我也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
3593.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
3596.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
我是為台灣人民來改革檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
3596.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
3597.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
3598.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
3601.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
我沒有民進黨的任何的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
3601.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
3603.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
那個陳醫師就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
3603.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
3604.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
現在的賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
3604.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
3607.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
他也是說中華民國台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
3607.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
3608.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
所以摸一下他的屏東 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
3608.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
3610.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
他也是把台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
3610.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
3612.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
您曾經所避諱的 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
3612.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
3614.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
把台灣交給了一半的中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
3614.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
3616.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
賴總統要請我接受的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
3616.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
3617.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
他講了一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
3617.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
3619.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
他說他希望監察院是 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
3619.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
3621.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
台灣人民的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
3623.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
3625.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
所以他也告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
3625.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
3627.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
可能不會被通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
3627.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
3630.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
那你可能是為這個犧牲 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
3630.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
3631.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
3631.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
3633.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
如果要為了台灣人民奉獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
3633.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
3634.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
我願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
3634.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
3635.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
3635.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
3637.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
我現在的職務是立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
3637.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
3639.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
那我負責監督行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
3639.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
3642.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
審查行政機關的這個預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
3642.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
3644.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
為納稅人的託付 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
3644.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
3646.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
跟我的這個權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
3646.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
3647.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
跟納稅人的權益把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
3647.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
3648.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
因為我們的立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
3648.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
3650.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
是有民意基礎的 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
3650.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
3652.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
那我自己有專業有熱誠 |
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3652.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
3654.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
我覺得我自己也有任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
3654.95 |
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3655.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
也有紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
3655.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
3657.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
因為身在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
3657.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
3659.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
更因為我身在關鍵的政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
3659.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
3660.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
3660.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
3661.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
而不是民進黨喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
3661.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
3662.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
所以兩年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
3662.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
3664.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
當我走進會場的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
3664.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
3666.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
那個時候IPEC的執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
3666.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
3668.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
跟這個外交部兴起若狂 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
3668.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
3670.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
因為我的加入以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
3670.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
3672.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
台灣才能有資格成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
3672.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
3674.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
IPEC的會員國 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
3674.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
3677.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
蕭副總統去年也才能夠到比利時 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
3678.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
3679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
去演講 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
3679.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
3680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
他還親自寫信 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
3680.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
3681.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
跟我致謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
3682.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
3683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
而您喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
3683.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
3685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
此刻是被提名為 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
3685.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
3687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
中華民國的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
3687.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
3688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
我相信您心中 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
3688.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
3690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
也是有抱負有理想的 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
3690.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
3691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
但我必須要問 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
3691.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
3692.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
我必須要確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
3692.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
3694.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
您將會是過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
3694.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
3696.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
大家認為是屬於外來政權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
3696.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
3699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
中華民國監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
3699.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
3702.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
還是民進黨的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
3702.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
3704.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
我不需要做特別闡述 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
3704.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
3706.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
因為我們兩個對這兩個區別 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
3706.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
3707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
是非常的清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
3707.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
3709.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
那請告訴我您的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
3709.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
3710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
也告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
3710.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
3712.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
如果你能夠證明它 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
3713.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
3715.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我想我剛剛已經講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
3715.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
3717.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
現在的監察院應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
3717.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
3720.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
台灣兩千三百萬人民的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
3720.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
3722.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
為台灣人民服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
3722.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
3724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
所以它既不是外來政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
3724.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
3726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
中華民國的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
3726.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
3728.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
也不是民進黨的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
3728.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
3731.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
監察院本來就應該超越黨派的思維 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
3731.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
3733.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
所以我完全站在 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
3733.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
3735.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
不是黨派的立場思考這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
3735.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
3739.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
就是台灣社會需要一個監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
3739.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
3741.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
政府單位的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
3741.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
3743.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
需要一個保障人權的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
3743.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
3745.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
所以我才覺得監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
3745.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
3748.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
是應該要提升它的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
3748.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
3749.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
好好的做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
3749.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
3750.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
好陳醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
3750.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
3751.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
3751.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
3752.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
我們聽到您說 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
3752.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
3753.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
意思說你要很公正 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
3753.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
3755.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
做兩千三百 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
3755.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
3757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
現在只剩下三十萬人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
3757.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
3759.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
這個監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
3759.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
3761.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
您就是您的信念 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
3761.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
3763.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
就是說公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
3763.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
3764.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
行公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
3764.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
3767.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
那而且要照顧弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
3767.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
3768.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
要公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
3768.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
3769.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
但是我們過去看到的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
3769.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
3771.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
事實上我們某個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
3771.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
3773.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
我們相當的真據是 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
3773.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
3775.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
只打蒼蠅不打老虎 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
3775.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
3777.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
所以我特別就是這樣子來請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
3777.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
3780.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
另外很重要我想以過來人身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
3780.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
3782.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
過來人身份提醒您 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
3782.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
3783.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
如果您選擇做 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
3784.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
3785.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
當然您剛剛說不是了 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
3785.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
3788.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
因為如果你選擇做民進黨的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
3788.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
3790.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
那你因為他現在不過半 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
3790.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
3791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
所以您不會通過任命案 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
3791.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
3794.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
但是如果您選擇作為國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
3794.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
3797.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
國家的這個監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
3797.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
3800.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
作為中立客觀的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
3800.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
3801.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
3801.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
3804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
你要認真去糾舉包含執政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
3804.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
3807.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
民進黨政府下的不法跟貪瀆 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
3807.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
3810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
那你會被綠反青鳥攻擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
3810.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
3812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
童文臣攻擊說你是背叛 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
3812.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
3815.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
你是不顧著 挽決不保 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
3815.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
3818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
那請問你再這樣子通過任命案 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
3818.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
3820.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
跟被罵背叛跟挽決不保 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
3820.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
3821.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
你選擇什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
3824.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
3825.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
這是我的經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
3826.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
3830.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
我的個性就是論事 不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
3830.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
3833.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
我做一個醫生 我看病人不會問說 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
3833.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
3834.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
你是哪一個黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
3834.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
3836.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
我應該救他就救他 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
3836.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
3838.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
一樣 我到監察院也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
3838.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
3840.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
要辦案 不分顏色 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
3841.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
3844.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
所以確實有證據該彈劾就彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
3844.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
3846.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
好 那陳醫師我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
3846.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
3847.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
我當時加入民眾黨的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
3847.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
3850.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
你有沒有加入其他人一起責罵過我呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
3850.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
3851.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
我這題不是為我自己問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
3852.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
3854.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
我沒有罵過你 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
3854.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
3855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
你沒有 謝謝你 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
3855.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
3858.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
因為我覺得台灣現在變成二分法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
3858.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
3860.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
二分法的意思就是很簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
3860.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
3863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
生活那個顏色跟是非是分開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
3863.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
3865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
這是多元的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
3865.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
3867.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
所以任何一個政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
3873.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
3874.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
3876.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
3878.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
謝謝陳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
3878.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
3880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
好 謝謝準備提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
3880.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
3883.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
下一位我們請林黛樺委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
3892.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
3894.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
請問你會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
3894.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
3895.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
3895.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
3896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
3896.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
3897.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3897.05 |
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3898.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3898.05 |
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3899.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3899.05 |
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3900.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3900.05 |
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3901.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3901.05 |
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3902.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3902.05 |
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3903.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3903.05 |
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3904.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3904.05 |
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3905.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3905.05 |
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3906.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3906.05 |
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3907.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3907.05 |
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3908.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3908.05 |
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3909.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3909.05 |
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3910.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3910.05 |
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3911.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3911.05 |
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3912.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3912.05 |
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3913.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3913.05 |
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3914.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3914.05 |
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3915.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3915.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
3916.05 |
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會不會在這個時候 |
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3916.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
3917.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
3917.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
3918.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
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3918.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
3919.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
3919.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
3920.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
3920.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
3921.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
會不會在這個時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
3898.81 |
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3901.81 |
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好 有請我們陳提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
3902.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
3903.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
請陳佩提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
3905.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
3906.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
3908.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
3909.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
好 |
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3909.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
3913.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
首先在代華如果身為晚輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
3913.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
3915.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
我真的是非常敬佩陳院長 |
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3915.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
3916.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
謝謝 |
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3916.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
3918.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
你過往對在醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
3918.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
3920.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
還有人權上的貢獻 |
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3920.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
3923.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
所以今天聽到您能夠被提名為 |
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3923.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
3925.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
我們監察院院長提名人 |
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3925.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
3927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
我本人是非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
3927.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
3929.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
替臺灣人民高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
3929.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
3931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
但是還是有幾個議題 |
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3931.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
3935.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
我覺得您是做足了準備 |
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3935.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
3937.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
這個您可以是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
3937.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
3938.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
在歷任院長當中 |
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3938.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
3941.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
你很正式連費監察院這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
3941.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
3942.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
你都把它納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
3942.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
3944.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
那你也認為這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
3944.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
3946.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
民間的一個聲音 |
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3946.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
3948.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
那所以呢你也認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
3948.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
3949.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
目前該怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
3949.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
3951.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
未來你怎麼準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
3951.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
3953.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
所以你認為現在應該要提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
3953.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
3955.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
辦案的效率跟品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
3955.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
3957.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
才是監察院的改革核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
3957.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
3959.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
但你對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
3959.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
3962.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
這樣費經院的準備工作 |
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3962.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
3964.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
你也提到說你的改革第六項 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
3964.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
3967.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
是要成立這個修憲工作小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
3967.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
3971.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
在這當中如果監察權跟審計權 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
3971.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
3973.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
應該如何的轉移 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
3973.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
3975.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
國家人權委員會的定位 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
3975.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
3978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
以及在憲法當中採三權的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
3978.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
3981.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
我們這個國會結果跟職能 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
3981.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
3983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
如何來調整應應 |
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3983.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
3986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
所以本席我覺得您都對於 |
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3986.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
3988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
現在的監察院跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
3988.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
3991.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
以及體察民意要做怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
3991.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
3992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
一個調整的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
3992.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
3994.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
我覺得你都做足了準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
3994.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
3995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
但是呢 |
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3995.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
3997.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
另外一個讓我敬佩的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
3997.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
3999.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
您的報告當中也提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
3999.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
4003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
監察院這六年來109年 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
4003.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
4005.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
8月到115年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
4005.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
4008.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
受理民眾的懲刑案10萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
4009.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
4012.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
這個每年受理的案件是 |
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4012.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
4014.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
1萬5000件 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
4014.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
4016.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
每位的監察委員辦案是 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
4016.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
4017.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
超過600件 |
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4017.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
4019.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
這表示什麼 |
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4019.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
4020.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
社會是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
4020.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
4023.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
冤氣沖天 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
4023.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
4025.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
所以如果你都能夠體察到 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
4025.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
4028.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
這樣的一個無助的心聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
4028.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
4030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
面對強權的壓迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
4030.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
4032.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
不公的審判 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
4032.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
4035.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
弱勢民眾是求助無門的 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
4035.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
4038.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
所以本席是認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
4038.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
4040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
對於你也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
4040.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
4041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
你也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
4041.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
4045.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
我覺得你這個是非常的棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
4045.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
4048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
你認為在我們調查案當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
4048.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
4051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
彈劾成案的多位高階公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
4051.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
4054.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
甚至不法檢察官跟法官招彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
4054.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
4058.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
足見台灣社會對司法不公與行政不法 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
4058.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
4061.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
確實存有相當的名怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
4061.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
4063.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
而監察院是人民聲援的 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
4063.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
4065.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
最後的救濟管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
4065.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
4067.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
也是追求社會公益保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
4067.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
4069.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
人權的重要憲政機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
4069.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
4072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
我想你已經把你對於監察院的期許 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
4072.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
4074.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
4074.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
4076.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
所以古代是燃冤生教 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
4076.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
4079.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
現在的監察院是有這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
4079.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
4081.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
平均每年有1.5萬件的陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
4081.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
4083.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
而立案之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
4083.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
4085.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].text |
我也要提供給你一個數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].start |
4085.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].end |
4088.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[883].text |
就是每一年陳案有立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].start |
4088.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].end |
4091.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[884].text |
還是都有上百件的預期未結 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].start |
4091.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].end |
4094.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[885].text |
而這樣的重大的專案的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].start |
4094.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].end |
4096.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[886].text |
時程都長達一到兩年 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].start |
4096.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].end |
4099.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[887].text |
這讓等候公道的百姓 |
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4099.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].end |
4101.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[888].text |
其實是備受煎熬的 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].start |
4101.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].end |
4104.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[889].text |
所以您當任這樣的一個監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].start |
4104.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[890].end |
4107.87 |
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說直來是認中道遠苦差事 |
| transcript.whisperx[891].start |
4107.87 |
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4110.87 |
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但是本席要提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].start |
4110.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].end |
4112.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[892].text |
現在的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].start |
4112.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].end |
4115.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[893].text |
有沒有一些憲政上的漢格之處 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].start |
4115.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].end |
4118.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[894].text |
第一個所謂的人權漢格 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].start |
4118.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].end |
4120.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[895].text |
人權會有倡議權 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].start |
4120.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].end |
4122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[896].text |
但是他們有執行的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].start |
4122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].end |
4126.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[897].text |
行政院有執行的預算跟執行權 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].start |
4126.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].end |
4128.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[898].text |
兩者是沒有對接的 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].start |
4128.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].end |
4132.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[899].text |
所以形成權責分離疊船駕屋 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].start |
4132.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].end |
4134.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[900].text |
所以監察院我再講一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].start |
4134.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].end |
4138.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[901].text |
監察院有國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].start |
4138.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].end |
4140.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[902].text |
但行政院也有人權處 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].start |
4142.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].end |
4146.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[903].text |
衛福部跟勞動部長管弱勢權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].start |
4146.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].end |
4148.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[904].text |
人權會做的是倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].start |
4148.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].end |
4151.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[905].text |
執行權跟預算權卻在行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].start |
4151.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].end |
4152.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[906].text |
就會被質疑了 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].start |
4152.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].end |
4154.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[907].text |
這樣的疊船駕屋 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].start |
4154.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].end |
4158.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[908].text |
我們國家人權委員會還有存在的必要嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].start |
4158.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].end |
4159.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[909].text |
你做倡議而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].start |
4159.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].end |
4162.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[910].text |
這就是人權的漢格之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].start |
4162.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].end |
4164.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[911].text |
第二個是調查漢格 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].start |
4164.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].end |
4167.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[912].text |
我們監察院以廉政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].start |
4167.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].end |
4170.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[913].text |
其實對現在的公務人員其實也很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].start |
4170.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].end |
4173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
他要被監督是多方的被監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].start |
4173.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].end |
4174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[915].text |
怎麼樣被監督呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].start |
4174.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].end |
4176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[916].text |
監察院跟廉政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].start |
4176.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].end |
4178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[917].text |
這個是對同一個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].start |
4178.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].end |
4179.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[918].text |
會重複發動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].start |
4179.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].end |
4182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[919].text |
造成公務體系的雙重受查 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].start |
4182.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].end |
4184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[920].text |
防衛性的行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].start |
4184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].end |
4186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[921].text |
所以我們現在基層的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].start |
4186.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].end |
4189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[922].text |
面臨高度分散的監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].start |
4189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].end |
4192.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[923].text |
怎麼樣的高度分散呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].start |
4192.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].end |
4194.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[924].text |
內部有陣風 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].start |
4195.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].end |
4198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[925].text |
法務部的廉政署是行政訴單 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].start |
4198.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].end |
4201.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[926].text |
法務部下的檢調是刑事責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
4201.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
4205.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
我們司法院有淺懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].start |
4205.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].end |
4211.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[928].text |
我們監察院對公務人員是憲政的糾正跟彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].start |
4211.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].end |
4214.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[929].text |
所以說你對於我們要監督公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].start |
4214.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].end |
4218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[930].text |
來自這麼多元分散的監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].start |
4218.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].end |
4220.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[931].text |
反而是讓我們的公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].start |
4220.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].end |
4223.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[932].text |
在面對民意的體查跟解決的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].start |
4223.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].end |
4225.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[933].text |
他舉足不前了 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].start |
4225.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].end |
4228.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[934].text |
動不動我這是不是有圖利、知險 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].start |
4228.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].end |
4230.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[935].text |
動不動這個是不是有這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].start |
4230.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].end |
4233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[936].text |
他擴大了解釋這個法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].start |
4233.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].end |
4236.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[937].text |
所以是不是真的能夠解決民怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].start |
4236.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].end |
4241.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[938].text |
其實也在於這麼多的行政的相關調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].start |
4241.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].end |
4242.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[939].text |
針對我們公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].start |
4242.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].end |
4244.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[940].text |
是這麼高度的監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].start |
4244.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].end |
4248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[941].text |
所以你認為你如何釐清跟化解 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].start |
4248.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].end |
4252.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[942].text |
這樣人權的漢革跟調查的漢革呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].start |
4254.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].end |
4258.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[943].text |
國家人權委員會成立是因應國際人權公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].start |
4258.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].end |
4263.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[944].text |
聯合國的這些人權公約參與的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].start |
4263.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].end |
4268.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[945].text |
經常要求因為我們也去簽署了這個人權公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].start |
4268.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].end |
4273.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[946].text |
所以他就要求台灣應該也要有國際人權委員會國家的 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].start |
4273.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].end |
4276.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[947].text |
其實我覺得國家人權委員應該獨立出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].start |
4277.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].end |
4280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[948].text |
而且應該給他有實質的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].start |
4280.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].end |
4283.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[949].text |
不是只有政策或者是說宣導 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].start |
4283.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].end |
4287.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[950].text |
那放在監察院其實我覺得不必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].start |
4287.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].end |
4289.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[951].text |
他需要是一個獨立機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].start |
4289.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].end |
4294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[952].text |
至於監察權跟這些聯政署或者政風單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].start |
4294.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].end |
4296.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[953].text |
確實有重複的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].start |
4297.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].end |
4300.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[954].text |
我覺得如果真的要加強對公務員的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].start |
4300.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].end |
4304.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[955].text |
其實不妨考慮可不可以把這些單位合起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].start |
4305.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].end |
4308.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[956].text |
那如果說將來立法院修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].start |
4308.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].end |
4311.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[957].text |
可以把這個監察院的職權更集中 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].start |
4311.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].end |
4314.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[958].text |
讓這個聯政署或者是政風單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].start |
4314.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].end |
4316.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[959].text |
也可以到監察院裡頭來 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].start |
4316.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].end |
4318.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[960].text |
那對公務員的監督就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].start |
4319.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].end |
4321.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[961].text |
由監察院充分的去行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].start |
4321.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].end |
4325.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[962].text |
因為我事實上也覺得監察院現在的這個辦案量 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].start |
4325.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].end |
4326.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[963].text |
要要求他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].start |
4327.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].end |
4328.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[964].text |
其實有點困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].start |
4328.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].end |
4329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[965].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].start |
4330.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].end |
4332.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[966].text |
一個監察委員那麼多案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].start |
4332.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].end |
4335.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[967].text |
他能分配到的監察官只有兩個三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].start |
4335.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].end |
4337.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
比一個立法委員的助理還要少 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].start |
4339.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].end |
4341.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[969].text |
他們要辦案子都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].start |
4341.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].end |
4343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[970].text |
而且他不像檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].start |
4343.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].end |
4345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[971].text |
檢察官可以搜索 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
4345.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].end |
4346.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
可以監聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].start |
4346.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].end |
4349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[973].text |
可以就是很強行的介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].start |
4349.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].end |
4353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[974].text |
監察院是事後才開始展開調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].start |
4353.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].end |
4354.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[975].text |
那用約詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].start |
4354.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].end |
4357.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[976].text |
那有的政府官員就不一定理會你 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].start |
4357.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].end |
4359.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[977].text |
所以我覺得監察院的功能要加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].start |
4359.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].end |
4361.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[978].text |
還有很多可以努力的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].start |
4361.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].end |
4362.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
我覺得非常棒 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].start |
4362.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].end |
4368.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[980].text |
這個我非常肯定您剛才有這樣的一個大方向的一個主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].start |
4368.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].end |
4370.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[981].text |
那其實總統提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].start |
4370.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].end |
4374.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[982].text |
您也是在推崇美麗島世代對台灣民主的貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].start |
4374.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].end |
4376.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[983].text |
那包括我個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].start |
4376.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].end |
4377.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[984].text |
作為一個您的晚輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].start |
4377.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].end |
4380.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[985].text |
那我能夠在這個議事堂上當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].start |
4380.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].end |
4382.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[986].text |
能夠為人民發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].start |
4382.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].end |
4384.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[987].text |
其實也都是在您的這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].start |
4384.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].end |
4388.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[988].text |
美麗島世代的這樣的一個前輩之下的倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].start |
4388.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].end |
4389.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[989].text |
你們走上街頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].start |
4389.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].end |
4391.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[990].text |
甚至在追溯黨外的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].start |
4391.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].end |
4395.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[991].text |
對於那種真的是威權之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].start |
4395.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].end |
4398.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[992].text |
威權之下的那種的風聲鶴唳 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].start |
4398.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].end |
4400.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[993].text |
那所帶來的家破人亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].start |
4400.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].end |
4403.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[994].text |
所以我個人是非常肯定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].start |
4403.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].end |
4405.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[995].text |
那當然對於講到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].start |
4405.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].end |
4408.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[996].text |
您身為這樣的被提名人 |
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4408.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].end |
4411.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[997].text |
這個玉石大夫是風聞驟事 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].start |
4411.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].end |
4413.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[998].text |
他可以不需要任何的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].start |
4413.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].end |
4417.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[999].text |
就當時古代的封建時代就給了他這個權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].start |
4417.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].end |
4421.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1000].text |
那在民主時代當然是講求證據的科學辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].start |
4421.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].end |
4424.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1001].text |
那監察院除了接受陳情之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].start |
4424.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].end |
4426.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1002].text |
更應該發揮主動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].start |
4426.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].end |
4430.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1003].text |
所以像其實先前我們行政院經貿談判辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].start |
4430.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].end |
4433.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1004].text |
副總代表嚴慧心的職場霸凌案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].start |
4433.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].end |
4436.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1005].text |
就是監察院你們主動調查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].start |
4436.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].end |
4441.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1006].text |
所以才讓這個真相大白還給當事人公道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].start |
4441.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].end |
4443.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1007].text |
所以今天本席要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].start |
4443.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].end |
4446.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1008].text |
其實在面對這麼大的一個陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].start |
4446.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].end |
4450.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1009].text |
每年一點萬件的這樣的一個陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].start |
4450.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].end |
4453.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1010].text |
國人對監察制度是認同跟期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].start |
4454.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].end |
4458.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1011].text |
沒有人渴望有堅守公義的當代包青天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].start |
4458.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].end |
4461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
所以本席認為制度本身沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].start |
4461.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].end |
4464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1013].text |
重點在於人有沒有風骨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].start |
4464.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].end |
4467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1014].text |
有沒有苦民所苦的心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].start |
4467.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].end |
4473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
這也就是本席認為社會執意的焦點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].start |
4473.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].end |
4475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
也就是從來不是監察制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].start |
4475.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].end |
4479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1017].text |
而是監察委員是否具備足夠的獨立性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].start |
4479.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].end |
4482.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
適任性能夠真正做到打老虎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
4482.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].end |
4484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
而不是只有打蒼蠅而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].start |
4484.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].end |
4488.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
所以本席對於您所提出的六項的改革方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].start |
4488.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].end |
4491.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1021].text |
其中我都非常肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].start |
4491.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].end |
4494.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1022].text |
只有第二項我非常的保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].start |
4494.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].end |
4498.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1023].text |
你說我們要有鼓勵媒體跟公民監督團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].start |
4498.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].end |
4501.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1024].text |
定期評鑑監察委員的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].start |
4501.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].end |
4502.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1025].text |
到這邊我認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].start |
4502.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].end |
4504.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1026].text |
到後面我保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].start |
4504.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].end |
4507.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1027].text |
就是立法院已有公督盟的公民制制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].start |
4507.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].end |
4509.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1028].text |
你認為可以導入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].start |
4509.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].end |
4513.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1029].text |
我們現在的公督盟已經流於形式化了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].start |
4518.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].end |
4520.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1030].text |
好 謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].start |
4521.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].end |
4524.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1031].text |
下一位我們請林佩祥委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].start |
4537.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].end |
4539.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1032].text |
好 主席 各位同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].start |
4539.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].end |
4542.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1033].text |
有請陳永新備題名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].start |
4548.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].end |
4549.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1034].text |
陳教授好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].start |
4549.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].end |
4552.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1035].text |
今天是監察院人士同意權的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].start |
4552.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].end |
4555.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1036].text |
本席在這邊先要講這不是顏色的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].start |
4555.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].end |
4558.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1037].text |
也不是要考驗您的政治忠誠度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].start |
4558.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].end |
4561.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1038].text |
今天國會真正要審查這三件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].start |
4561.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].end |
4564.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1039].text |
第一件 你有沒有資格 有沒有能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].start |
4564.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].end |
4568.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1040].text |
更重要的 有沒有勇氣擔任中華民國的監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].start |
4568.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].end |
4571.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1041].text |
因為人民花錢養監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].start |
4571.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].end |
4575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1042].text |
不是請大家進去喝茶 看報 寫報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].start |
4575.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].end |
4578.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1043].text |
監察院不是監主茶葉院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].start |
4578.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].end |
4580.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1044].text |
院長更不能只是泡茶院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].start |
4580.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].end |
4584.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1045].text |
人民要的是一個敢監督政府 敢追究責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].start |
4584.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].end |
4587.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1046].text |
敢得罪權力的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].start |
4587.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].end |
4591.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1047].text |
請問陳題名人 您在書面答覆裡面有說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].start |
4591.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].end |
4593.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1048].text |
外界認為監察院沒有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].start |
4593.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].end |
4596.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1049].text |
有一部分可能是資訊落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].start |
4596.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].end |
4597.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1050].text |
您還列出數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].start |
4597.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].end |
4601.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1051].text |
從109年8月到115年5月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].start |
4601.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].end |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1052].text |
監察院受理人民懲刑近10萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].start |
4604.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].end |
4609.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1053].text |
彈劾227人 糾正520件 罕請1300件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].start |
4609.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].end |
4611.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1054].text |
換句話說 您的意思是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].start |
4611.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].end |
4614.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1055].text |
監察院不是沒有做事 是做了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].start |
4614.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].end |
4615.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1056].text |
只是人民不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].start |
4615.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].end |
4617.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1057].text |
但是我就想請問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].start |
4617.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].end |
4621.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1058].text |
如果有一家公司每天跟股東說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].start |
4621.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].end |
4625.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1059].text |
我們績效真的很好 只是你們都感覺不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].start |
4625.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].end |
4628.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1060].text |
那到底問題是出在股東還是公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].start |
4628.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].end |
4630.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1061].text |
另外一個很值得思考的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].start |
4630.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].end |
4634.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1062].text |
前院長陳菊長時間請假超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].start |
4634.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].end |
4636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1063].text |
我們在這邊不是評論她 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].start |
4636.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].end |
4639.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1064].text |
因為健康因素請假的對錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].start |
4639.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].end |
4643.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1065].text |
我要問的是一個憲政機關首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].start |
4643.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].end |
4645.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1066].text |
長期無法主持任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].start |
4645.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].end |
4649.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1067].text |
社會卻沒有感受到國家的監督機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].start |
4649.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].end |
4651.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1068].text |
受到重大影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].start |
4651.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].end |
4653.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1069].text |
難道這不是一個警訊嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].start |
4653.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].end |
4656.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1070].text |
如果今天行政院長一年沒上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].start |
4656.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].end |
4657.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1071].text |
大家一定會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].start |
4657.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].end |
4659.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1072].text |
如果今天立法院長一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].start |
4659.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].end |
4662.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1073].text |
不主持院會 大家也一定知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].start |
4662.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].end |
4664.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1074].text |
但是監察院院長長期請假 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].start |
4664.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].end |
4666.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1075].text |
很多人民甚至沒有感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].start |
4666.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].end |
4668.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1076].text |
所以我想就教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].start |
4668.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].end |
4670.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1077].text |
到底是人民不了解監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].start |
4670.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].end |
4673.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1078].text |
還是監察院已經離人民太遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].start |
4675.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].end |
4678.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1079].text |
我不是說監察院已經做得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].start |
4679.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].end |
4682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1080].text |
我是說監察院確實也辦了一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].start |
4682.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].end |
4685.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1081].text |
很值得我們肯定的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].start |
4685.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].end |
4687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1082].text |
比如我有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].start |
4687.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].end |
4690.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1083].text |
南投有一個國中的校長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].start |
4690.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].end |
4693.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1084].text |
他性侵了四十幾個學童 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].start |
4693.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].end |
4696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1085].text |
監察院不但彈劾糾舉他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].start |
4696.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].end |
4698.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1086].text |
還把包庇他的教育局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].start |
4698.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].end |
4700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1087].text |
甚至縣政府的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].start |
4700.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].end |
4702.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1088].text |
也都同時給予懲戒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].start |
4702.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].end |
4705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1089].text |
所以我覺得他們有在做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].start |
4705.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].end |
4706.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1090].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].start |
4706.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].end |
4707.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1091].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].start |
4708.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].end |
4710.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1092].text |
我覺得他們有時候做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].start |
4710.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].end |
4711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1093].text |
民眾不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].start |
4711.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].end |
4713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1094].text |
我們應該直接講到最重要的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].start |
4713.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].end |
4717.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1095].text |
今天的監察院有什麼不可取代的價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].start |
4717.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].end |
4719.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1096].text |
為什麼值得繼續存在呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].start |
4721.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].end |
4723.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1097].text |
在我們的憲法裡頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].start |
4723.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].end |
4726.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1098].text |
對於行政官員的糾舉彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].start |
4726.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].end |
4728.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1099].text |
這是只有監察院能做的事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].start |
4730.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].end |
4733.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1100].text |
當然如果犯罪事實明顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].start |
4733.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].end |
4736.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1101].text |
我想司法機構也是可以去追究責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].start |
4736.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].end |
4738.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1102].text |
但是這是從行政方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].start |
4738.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].end |
4740.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1103].text |
去懲戒公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].start |
4740.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].end |
4742.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1104].text |
然後給予警惕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].start |
4742.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].end |
4744.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1105].text |
另外因為國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].start |
4744.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].end |
4746.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1106].text |
是一個新的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].start |
4746.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].end |
4748.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1107].text |
沒有這個國家人權委員會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].start |
4749.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].end |
4752.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1108].text |
事實上我們跟不上國際的人權的潮流 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].start |
4752.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].end |
4754.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1109].text |
所以就是因為國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].start |
4754.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].end |
4756.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1110].text |
跟憲法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].start |
4756.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].end |
4758.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1111].text |
再接下來不好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].start |
4758.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].end |
4759.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1112].text |
我們時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].start |
4759.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].end |
4760.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1113].text |
我想繼續請問下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].start |
4760.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].end |
4762.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1114].text |
你剛剛提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].start |
4762.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].end |
4765.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1115].text |
如果院長真的生病請假 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].start |
4765.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].end |
4767.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1116].text |
我也不會做這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].start |
4767.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].end |
4769.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1117].text |
我希望不要發生這種事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].start |
4769.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].end |
4771.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1118].text |
如果我的身體不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].start |
4771.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].end |
4773.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1119].text |
我就會自動辭職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].start |
4773.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].end |
4776.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1120].text |
監察院院長不是一般的行政職務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].start |
4776.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].end |
4781.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1121].text |
您要領導的是依據中華民國憲法設置的最高監察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].start |
4781.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].end |
4785.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1122].text |
但是您過去曾經在2017年將近10年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].start |
4785.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].end |
4788.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1123].text |
9月23號在前民主運動人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].start |
4788.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].end |
4790.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1124].text |
魏廷潮的回憶錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].start |
4790.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].end |
4793.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1125].text |
毒鬼的後代的新書發表會裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].start |
4793.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].end |
4795.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1126].text |
公然致詞表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].start |
4795.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].end |
4797.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1127].text |
如果民進黨不敢顛覆中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].start |
4797.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].end |
4800.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1128].text |
毒派就要顛覆這個不長進的民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].start |
4800.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].end |
4803.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1129].text |
所以我在這邊也要很直接請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].start |
4804.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].end |
4805.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1130].text |
陳永新先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].start |
4805.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].end |
4810.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1131].text |
您現在認不認同中華民國現行的憲政體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].start |
4811.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].end |
4813.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1132].text |
我想當時這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].start |
4816.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].end |
4819.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1133].text |
魏廷潮先生講了一個笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].start |
4819.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].end |
4821.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1134].text |
他說他爸爸把他取名魏廷潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].start |
4821.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].end |
4824.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1135].text |
就是要顛覆朝廷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].start |
4824.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].end |
4827.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1136].text |
就是他這個名字廷潮是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].start |
4827.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].end |
4828.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1137].text |
因為他講了這個笑話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].start |
4828.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].end |
4830.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1138].text |
所以我才有下面那一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].start |
4830.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].end |
4832.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1139].text |
所以您的答案是認同囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].start |
4832.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].end |
4835.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1140].text |
不認同現行的中華民國憲政體系嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].start |
4836.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].end |
4838.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1141].text |
目前的憲政體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].start |
4838.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].end |
4839.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1142].text |
我剛剛已經說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].start |
4839.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].end |
4843.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1143].text |
就是中華民國經過幾十年來的蛻變 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].start |
4843.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].end |
4846.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1144].text |
現在已經是一個民主自由的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].start |
4846.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].end |
4849.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1145].text |
而且他跟台灣已經緊密的結合了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].start |
4849.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].end |
4851.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1146].text |
所以我如果當監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].start |
4851.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].end |
4854.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1147].text |
我當然是依中華民國憲法的憲事主權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].start |
4854.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].end |
4858.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1148].text |
您是否願意在國會殿堂正式明確承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].start |
4858.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].end |
4861.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1149].text |
過去的政治主張歸政治主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].start |
4861.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].end |
4864.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1150].text |
但是只要擔任監察院院長一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].start |
4864.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].end |
4867.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1151].text |
就會以維護現行中華民國憲政秩序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].start |
4867.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].end |
4869.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1152].text |
遵守中華民國憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].start |
4869.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].end |
4871.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1153].text |
依法獨立行使監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].start |
4871.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].end |
4872.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1154].text |
作為最高原則呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].start |
4874.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].end |
4877.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1155].text |
做監察院長當然是依法行使職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].start |
4877.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].end |
4878.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1156].text |
依中華民國憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].start |
4879.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].end |
4880.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1157].text |
這不是問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].start |
4880.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].end |
4882.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1158].text |
我今天不是問你愛不愛中華民國 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].start |
4882.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].end |
4886.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1159].text |
我是問你說未來遵不遵守中華民國憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].start |
4886.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].end |
4889.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1160].text |
因為政治理念可以有藍有綠有白 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].start |
4889.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].end |
4892.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1161].text |
但是監察院長依法辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].start |
4892.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].end |
4893.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1162].text |
這不能有顏色的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].start |
4893.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].end |
4895.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1163].text |
沒有顏色當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].start |
4895.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].end |
4898.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1164].text |
監察院最核心的功能就是監督政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].start |
4898.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].end |
4900.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1165].text |
那卓榮泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].start |
4901.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].end |
4905.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1166].text |
對於立法院三讀通過的法律採取不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].start |
4905.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].end |
4908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1167].text |
引發重大的憲政爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].start |
4908.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].end |
4911.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1168].text |
過去也有人向監察院陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].start |
4911.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].end |
4913.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1169].text |
要求調查相關責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].start |
4913.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].end |
4914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1170].text |
最後面立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].start |
4914.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].end |
4917.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1171].text |
最後面監察院不予以立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].start |
4917.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].end |
4920.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1172].text |
而您在書面答覆裡面認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].start |
4920.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].end |
4923.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1173].text |
不附屬到底是行政院長的權利還是義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].start |
4923.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].end |
4925.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1174].text |
法界存在的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].start |
4925.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].end |
4928.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1175].text |
應該由憲法法庭做出權威的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].start |
4928.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].end |
4931.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1176].text |
監察院不宜進行判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].start |
4931.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].end |
4933.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1177].text |
我尊重您的法律意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].start |
4933.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].end |
4934.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1178].text |
但是我也要問您一句 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].start |
4935.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].end |
4937.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1179].text |
監察院不能判斷違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].start |
4937.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].end |
4941.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1180].text |
是不是就等於監察院不能調查違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].start |
4941.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].end |
4943.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1181].text |
這是兩件不同的事情吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].start |
4944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].end |
4946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1182].text |
不然以後如果遇到重大的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].start |
4946.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].end |
4949.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1183].text |
監察院就說這個有憲政建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].start |
4949.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].end |
4951.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1184].text |
那這個有憲政爭議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].start |
4951.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].end |
4954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1185].text |
就請憲法法庭來去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].start |
4954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].end |
4957.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1186].text |
那麼監察院不就變成憲法法庭的轉接台 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].start |
4957.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].end |
4958.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1187].text |
更重要的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].start |
4958.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].end |
4961.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1188].text |
人民不滿的不只是不立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].start |
4961.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].end |
4963.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1189].text |
人民要問的是為什麼不立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].start |
4964.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].end |
4967.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1190].text |
您自己也在書面答覆中承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].start |
4967.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].end |
4972.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1191].text |
未來監察院應該每兩個月都召開記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].start |
4972.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].end |
4975.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1192].text |
重大案件有具體的進展 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].start |
4975.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].end |
4978.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1193].text |
那也應該要跟社會來去公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].start |
4978.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].end |
4982.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1194].text |
那我今天就能夠再要求您再進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].start |
4982.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].end |
4984.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1195].text |
您願不願意在國會殿堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].start |
4984.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].end |
4988.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1196].text |
來去承諾說建立所謂重大案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].start |
4988.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].end |
4989.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1197].text |
立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].start |
4990.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].end |
4992.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1198].text |
不立案不立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].start |
4992.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].end |
4994.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1199].text |
有理由透明化的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].start |
4994.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].end |
4996.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1200].text |
讓人民知道為什麼不查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].start |
4996.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].end |
4997.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1201].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].start |
4997.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].end |
4999.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1202].text |
我們依照憲政的原理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].start |
5000.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].end |
5002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1203].text |
立法院跟行政院之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].start |
5002.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].end |
5004.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1204].text |
如果有看法不同的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].start |
5004.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].end |
5006.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1205].text |
憲政的爭議本來就是由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].start |
5006.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].end |
5008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1206].text |
司法院大法官的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].start |
5008.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].end |
5011.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1207].text |
或者憲法法庭來做裁決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].start |
5011.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].end |
5013.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1208].text |
所以監察院依照憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].start |
5013.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].end |
5015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1209].text |
沒有這樣的解釋的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].start |
5015.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].end |
5018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1210].text |
但是你說如果是一個行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].start |
5018.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].end |
5020.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1211].text |
他真的有違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].start |
5020.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].end |
5022.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1212].text |
那我們當然要立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].start |
5022.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].end |
5024.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1213].text |
甚至也可以給予彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].start |
5024.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].end |
5026.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1214].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].start |
5027.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].end |
5030.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1215].text |
憲政的爭議可能是一個政治問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].start |
5030.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].end |
5032.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1216].text |
但是如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].start |
5033.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].end |
5035.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1217].text |
政府官員真的有貪瀆 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].start |
5035.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].end |
5037.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1218].text |
有他的行政的重大疏失 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].start |
5037.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].end |
5039.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1219].text |
那我們當然是要調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].start |
5039.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].end |
5040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1220].text |
那我贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].start |
5041.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].end |
5043.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1221].text |
如果重大的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].start |
5043.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].end |
5044.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1222].text |
我們即使不成案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].start |
5044.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].end |
5046.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1223].text |
也要說明我們的理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].start |
5046.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].end |
5047.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1224].text |
因為我們希望是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].start |
5047.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].end |
5049.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1225].text |
監察院將來是透明化的一個機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].start |
5049.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].end |
5050.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1226].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].start |
5050.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].end |
5052.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1227].text |
那未來如果被檢舉是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].start |
5052.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].end |
5053.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1228].text |
行政院長 部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].start |
5053.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].end |
5055.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1229].text |
甚至總統府高層 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].start |
5055.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].end |
5058.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1230].text |
只要有具體的違法失職施政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].start |
5058.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].end |
5059.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1231].text |
陳永興院長提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].start |
5059.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].end |
5061.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1232].text |
你敢不敢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].start |
5061.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].end |
5064.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1233].text |
即使總統有了具體的違法失職也照調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].start |
5065.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].end |
5066.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1234].text |
照脫核啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].start |
5066.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].end |
5068.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1235].text |
就是要有具體施政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].start |
5068.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].end |
5071.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1236].text |
因為人民最怕的不是說監察院沒有牙齒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].start |
5071.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].end |
5074.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1237].text |
而是說看到有些人牙齒就變得特別硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].start |
5074.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].end |
5077.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1238].text |
看到有些人就忽然變成改代駕牙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].start |
5077.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].end |
5079.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1239].text |
這是目前許多民眾心中 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].start |
5079.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].end |
5083.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1240].text |
看到監察院目前作為他們的第一時間的感受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].start |
5083.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].end |
5085.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1241].text |
我剛剛報告的時候提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].start |
5085.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].end |
5088.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1242].text |
我在衛生局長任內被黑道圍殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].start |
5089.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].end |
5092.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1243].text |
不罰廠商 甚至明代官說我都不懼怕 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].start |
5092.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].end |
5097.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1244].text |
所以我的性格就是好打不平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].start |
5098.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].end |
5099.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1245].text |
好 極右如仇 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].start |
5099.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].end |
5103.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1246].text |
那如果今天陳教授您被提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].start |
5103.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].end |
5106.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1247].text |
立法院也同意您擔任監察院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].start |
5106.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].end |
5107.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1248].text |
請你告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].start |
5107.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].end |
5110.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1249].text |
你上任第一件事要改革的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].start |
5111.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].end |
5113.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1250].text |
請不要回答說什麼提升效率強化監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].start |
5113.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].end |
5115.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1251].text |
保障人權依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].start |
5115.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].end |
5117.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1252].text |
這些每一個提名人都曾經講過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].start |
5117.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].end |
5119.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1253].text |
也每一個未來提名人都會講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].start |
5119.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].end |
5121.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1254].text |
我要的是具體承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].start |
5121.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].end |
5123.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1255].text |
第一 重大案件立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].start |
5123.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].end |
5125.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1256].text |
不立案理由要不要透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].start |
5125.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].end |
5127.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1257].text |
第二 重大公共利益案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].start |
5127.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].end |
5130.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1258].text |
要不要優先調查現期處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].start |
5130.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].end |
5133.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1259].text |
第三 糾正彈劾之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].start |
5133.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].end |
5135.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1260].text |
要不要持續公開追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].start |
5135.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].end |
5137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1261].text |
第四 您剛剛自己承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].start |
5137.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].end |
5140.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1262].text |
希望說未來每兩個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].start |
5140.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].end |
5143.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1263].text |
向人民公開說明重大案件進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].start |
5143.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].end |
5144.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1264].text |
會不會算數 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].start |
5145.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].end |
5147.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1265].text |
我剛剛六大改革我都會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].start |
5149.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].end |
5151.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1266].text |
好 其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].start |
5152.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].end |
5154.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1267].text |
時間到了 真可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].start |
5156.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].end |
5158.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1268].text |
好 謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].start |
5159.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].end |
5163.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1269].text |
下一位我們請林靜憲委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].start |
5177.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].end |
5179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1270].text |
好 感謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].start |
5179.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].end |
5181.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1271].text |
本席邀請被提名人陳永新醫師 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].start |
5182.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].end |
5184.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1272].text |
陳被提名人被選 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].start |
5188.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].end |
5190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1273].text |
好 答應書你很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].start |
5191.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].end |
5193.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1274].text |
辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].start |
5194.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].end |
5196.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1275].text |
也配合你的勇氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].start |
5196.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].end |
5199.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1276].text |
你來接受被被提名做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].start |
5199.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].end |
5200.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1277].text |
感謝他們的議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].start |
5201.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].end |
5203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1278].text |
不過我幾個問題也是要來跟你請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].start |
5203.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].end |
5204.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1279].text |
有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].start |
5204.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].end |
5207.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1280].text |
在財亞黨 國民黨 民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].start |
5207.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].end |
5209.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1281].text |
都在說費毒 敢參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].start |
5210.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].end |
5212.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1282].text |
好 謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].start |
5212.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].end |
5214.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1283].text |
費毒敢參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].start |
5214.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].end |
5216.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1284].text |
只要大家有勇氣我們就要來受 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].start |
5216.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].end |
5218.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1285].text |
天天在財亞黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].start |
5218.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].end |
5220.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1286].text |
其實民進黨最早拿出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].start |
5220.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].end |
5221.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1287].text |
費毒敢參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].start |
5221.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].end |
5222.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1288].text |
就是我們民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].start |
5223.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].end |
5225.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1289].text |
但只有民進黨有實際的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].start |
5226.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].end |
5228.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1290].text |
民進黨要拿出來正式的修正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].start |
5230.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].end |
5232.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1291].text |
來費毒敢參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].start |
5232.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].end |
5233.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1292].text |
還有民進黨嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].start |
5234.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].end |
5236.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1293].text |
我看很久了 共產黨主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].start |
5238.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].end |
5239.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1294].text |
你剛剛會被嚇到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].start |
5240.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].end |
5242.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1295].text |
不是他的優先課題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].start |
5243.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].end |
5245.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1296].text |
因為連講完就要費感參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].start |
5247.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].end |
5249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1297].text |
結果國民黨的黨主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].start |
5249.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].end |
5253.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1298].text |
他說會監察院修憲門檻太高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].start |
5253.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].end |
5255.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1299].text |
不是國民黨優先議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].start |
5255.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].end |
5257.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1300].text |
這共產黨主席說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].start |
5258.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].end |
5260.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1301].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].start |
5260.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].end |
5262.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1302].text |
費毒敢參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].start |
5264.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].end |
5266.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1303].text |
我認為這是一個假議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].start |
5266.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].end |
5268.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1304].text |
對財亞黨來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].start |
5268.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].end |
5270.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1305].text |
說不定會做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].start |
5270.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].end |
5272.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1306].text |
這五權憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].start |
5272.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].end |
5274.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1307].text |
是國民黨的新主牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].start |
5275.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].end |
5278.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1308].text |
這順門下的五權憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].start |
5279.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].end |
5281.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1309].text |
現在給他費毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].start |
5281.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].end |
5283.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1310].text |
他就不是五權憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].start |
5283.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].end |
5285.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1311].text |
你如果要費感參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].start |
5285.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].end |
5286.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1312].text |
他也要費掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].start |
5287.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].end |
5289.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1313].text |
才能回歸到三權分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].start |
5290.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].end |
5292.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1314].text |
共產黨就不可能做這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].start |
5293.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].end |
5295.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1315].text |
但是今天拿出費感參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].start |
5295.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].end |
5297.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1316].text |
一隻一豬咬的被歡對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].start |
5297.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].end |
5299.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1317].text |
這麼敢問他的連算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].start |
5301.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].end |
5303.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1318].text |
後面費監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].start |
5304.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].end |
5306.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1319].text |
所以我認為這次的提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].start |
5307.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].end |
5309.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1320].text |
我比較悲觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].start |
5309.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].end |
5311.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1321].text |
我不知道你屬性 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].start |
5312.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].end |
5314.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1322].text |
了解林馬隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].start |
5314.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].end |
5316.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1323].text |
要過的機會喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].start |
5316.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].end |
5318.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1324].text |
哈哈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].start |
5318.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].end |
5320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1325].text |
其實這二十幾個幹部 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].start |
5320.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].end |
5322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1326].text |
沒一個好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].start |
5322.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].end |
5324.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1327].text |
我看這二十幾位被提名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].start |
5324.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].end |
5326.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1328].text |
很多人的學經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].start |
5326.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].end |
5329.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1329].text |
老鼠咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪咪 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].start |
5330.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].end |
5331.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1330].text |
扁多里圓啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].start |
5332.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].end |
5333.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1331].text |
但要通過的機會啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].start |
5334.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].end |
5335.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1332].text |
我是比較悲觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].start |
5336.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].end |
5337.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1333].text |
因為在這兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].start |
5337.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].end |
5338.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1334].text |
也會黨進黨出啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].start |
5339.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].end |
5340.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1335].text |
一致性投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].start |
5342.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].end |
5344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1336].text |
所以要給你們費毒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].start |
5344.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].end |
5346.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1337].text |
啊 找不到理由啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].start |
5346.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].end |
5349.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1338].text |
所以政府會監察院是要反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].start |
5349.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].end |
5351.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1339].text |
監委被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].start |
5351.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].end |
5353.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1340].text |
要全部封殺的一個理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].start |
5353.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].end |
5356.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1341].text |
這是我個人比較擔心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].start |
5356.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].end |
5359.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1342].text |
我跟民間的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].start |
5360.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].end |
5361.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1343].text |
這就是政敵投票 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].start |
5363.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].end |
5365.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1344].text |
他都讓他輸你那個看法是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].start |
5367.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].end |
5370.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1345].text |
我們以前就一直主張制憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].start |
5371.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].end |
5373.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1346].text |
希望台灣是三權分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].start |
5374.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].end |
5376.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1347].text |
對一個進步的民主國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].start |
5377.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].end |
5380.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1348].text |
所以費足監察院我並不反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].start |
5380.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].end |
5383.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1349].text |
但是就像林委員剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].start |
5383.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].end |
5387.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1350].text |
如果沒有具體的修憲方案的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].start |
5387.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].end |
5388.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1351].text |
只是一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].start |
5388.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].end |
5391.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1352].text |
說費監察院這是不負責任的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].start |
5391.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].end |
5393.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1353].text |
但是你講的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].start |
5393.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].end |
5396.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1354].text |
他現在還沒收現以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].start |
5397.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].end |
5399.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1355].text |
他還要再是一個憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].start |
5399.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].end |
5400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1356].text |
那不對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].start |
5400.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].end |
5402.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1357].text |
如果說他把它凍結了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].start |
5402.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].end |
5403.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1358].text |
甚至讓他癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].start |
5403.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].end |
5404.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1359].text |
把他癱瘓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].start |
5404.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].end |
5405.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1360].text |
這個不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].start |
5405.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].end |
5407.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1361].text |
因為我剛剛也舉例了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].start |
5407.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].end |
5409.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1362].text |
我說你說台灣治安不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].start |
5409.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].end |
5411.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1363].text |
難道要廢警政署嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].start |
5412.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].end |
5415.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1364].text |
我們用部立醫院這個服務不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].start |
5415.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].end |
5416.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1365].text |
那把醫院關掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].start |
5416.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].end |
5417.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1366].text |
不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].start |
5417.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].end |
5421.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1367].text |
如果這樣子台灣民眾覺得立法院表現不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].start |
5421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].end |
5422.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1368].text |
難道要廢立法院嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].start |
5423.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].end |
5424.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1369].text |
所以不是這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].start |
5425.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].end |
5426.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1370].text |
第一個要把它好好做 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].start |
5427.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].end |
5427.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1371].text |
改革他嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].start |
5428.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].end |
5428.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1372].text |
對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].start |
5428.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].end |
5430.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1373].text |
我同意你的講法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].start |
5430.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].end |
5431.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1374].text |
但是我實在來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].start |
5432.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].end |
5435.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1375].text |
你把鑑贊於貪犯動這個政敵道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].start |
5435.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].end |
5437.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1376].text |
誰受傷最重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].start |
5438.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].end |
5438.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1377].text |
我們的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].start |
5439.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].end |
5442.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1378].text |
我鑑贊於監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].start |
5442.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].end |
5443.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1379].text |
大概一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].start |
5443.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].end |
5445.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1380].text |
辦理人民懲情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].start |
5445.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].end |
5448.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1381].text |
我看最近這五年 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].start |
5448.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].end |
5450.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1382].text |
總共有七萬五千幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].start |
5451.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].end |
5452.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1383].text |
每年都一萬五千件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].start |
5452.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].end |
5454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1384].text |
每一年都一萬五千幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].start |
5454.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].end |
5455.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1385].text |
我寫在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].start |
5455.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].end |
5456.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1386].text |
一年比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].start |
5456.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].end |
5458.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1387].text |
2024年有一萬六千幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].start |
5461.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].end |
5462.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1388].text |
都是人民懲情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].start |
5463.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].end |
5465.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1389].text |
政府機關主動醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].start |
5465.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].end |
5467.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1390].text |
現在還減四趴 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].start |
5467.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].end |
5468.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1391].text |
所以你把它廢除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].start |
5469.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].end |
5470.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1392].text |
那等於人民最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].start |
5471.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].end |
5472.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1393].text |
在司法管道以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].start |
5473.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].end |
5476.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1394].text |
他最後可以受到鑑贊於這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].start |
5477.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].end |
5479.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1395].text |
對一些機關人民如果認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].start |
5480.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].end |
5481.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1396].text |
以違法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].start |
5484.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].end |
5486.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1397].text |
你看受害最大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].start |
5486.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].end |
5487.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1398].text |
其實是民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].start |
5487.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].end |
5487.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1399].text |
沒有錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].start |
5487.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].end |
5488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1400].text |
我就說他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].start |
5488.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].end |
5491.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1401].text |
就失去了深淵的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].start |
5491.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].end |
5492.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1402].text |
也很好笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].start |
5492.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].end |
5494.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1403].text |
在宅男棟要鑑贊於沒有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].start |
5495.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].end |
5496.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1404].text |
說鑑贊於不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].start |
5496.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].end |
5497.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1405].text |
說鑑贊於沒公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].start |
5498.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].end |
5498.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1406].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].start |
5499.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].end |
5500.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1407].text |
這兩百兩黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].start |
5500.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].end |
5503.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1408].text |
時不時不惜地拿鑑贊的撥卡拿出來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].start |
5504.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].end |
5505.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1409].text |
我拿給你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].start |
5505.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].end |
5506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1410].text |
他們也會心疼似的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].start |
5506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].end |
5507.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1411].text |
辦公廳不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].start |
5509.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].end |
5510.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1412].text |
他說有五大缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].start |
5511.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].end |
5512.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1413].text |
國民黨引用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].start |
5512.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].end |
5514.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1414].text |
民眾黨的引用就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].start |
5514.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].end |
5516.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1415].text |
監察院的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].start |
5516.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].end |
5519.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1416].text |
你說外交部有洩密案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].start |
5520.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].end |
5521.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1417].text |
在野黨引用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].start |
5522.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].end |
5523.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1418].text |
也是我們監察院的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].start |
5524.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].end |
5524.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1419].text |
表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].start |
5525.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].end |
5526.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1420].text |
鑑贊於你的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].start |
5527.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].end |
5528.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1421].text |
其實有很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].start |
5528.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].end |
5529.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1422].text |
連宅男棟也在用 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].start |
5532.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].end |
5533.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1423].text |
要整個把它探望掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].start |
5534.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].end |
5535.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1424].text |
我覺得這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].start |
5535.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].end |
5536.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1425].text |
就矛盾了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].start |
5537.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].end |
5538.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1426].text |
而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].start |
5538.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].end |
5539.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1427].text |
像我們剛才說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].start |
5539.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].end |
5540.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1428].text |
你海賊的靈敏 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].start |
5541.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].end |
5542.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1429].text |
以後啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].start |
5542.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].end |
5543.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1430].text |
他如果敢也收他出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].start |
5544.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].end |
5545.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1431].text |
以後鑑贊於他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].start |
5547.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].end |
5548.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1432].text |
很多人的寬慮會受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].start |
5549.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].end |
5549.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1433].text |
我猜一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].start |
5550.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].end |
5552.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1434].text |
這台北市政府跟台北市政府有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].start |
5552.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].end |
5552.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1435].text |
台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].start |
5553.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].end |
5554.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1436].text |
有個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].start |
5554.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].end |
5555.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1437].text |
他認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].start |
5556.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].end |
5557.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1438].text |
台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].start |
5557.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].end |
5559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1439].text |
有一個工地 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].start |
5559.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].end |
5561.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1440].text |
工地你死工了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].start |
5561.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].end |
5562.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1441].text |
一定會占用到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].start |
5563.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].end |
5564.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1442].text |
人行到空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].start |
5565.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].end |
5566.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1443].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].start |
5566.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].end |
5568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1444].text |
你這個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].start |
5568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].end |
5569.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1445].text |
是違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].start |
5570.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].end |
5571.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1446].text |
台北市政府不查理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].start |
5572.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].end |
5573.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1447].text |
民眾成親案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].start |
5574.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].end |
5575.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1448].text |
台北市政府不理他 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].start |
5575.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].end |
5576.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1449].text |
給他補位 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].start |
5577.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].end |
5578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1450].text |
這個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].start |
5578.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].end |
5580.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1451].text |
他投訴誰讓我們鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].start |
5581.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].end |
5582.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1452].text |
檢察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].start |
5582.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].end |
5583.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1453].text |
調查以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].start |
5583.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].end |
5585.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1454].text |
新聞給台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].start |
5585.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].end |
5586.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1455].text |
他糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].start |
5589.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].end |
5591.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1456].text |
違反了台北市政府的自治條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].start |
5592.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].end |
5594.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1457].text |
你占用到人行的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].start |
5594.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].end |
5595.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1458].text |
所以台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].start |
5596.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].end |
5597.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1459].text |
收到檢查院的糾正後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].start |
5597.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].end |
5598.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1460].text |
他就改審 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].start |
5600.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].end |
5600.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1461].text |
那個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].start |
5601.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].end |
5602.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1462].text |
他自己PO在網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].start |
5602.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].end |
5602.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1463].text |
他把所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].start |
5603.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].end |
5605.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1464].text |
程序的公文都PO出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].start |
5606.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].end |
5607.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1465].text |
他敢吃敢穿他倒腳肘 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].start |
5608.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].end |
5609.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1466].text |
所以呀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].start |
5610.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].end |
5611.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1467].text |
就像 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].start |
5611.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].end |
5613.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1468].text |
對啊我們被庭面人收購 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].start |
5613.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].end |
5615.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1469].text |
如果大家對檢查院有不滿 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].start |
5616.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].end |
5617.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1470].text |
那我們應該是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].start |
5617.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].end |
5619.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1471].text |
包括你未來要做議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].start |
5619.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].end |
5621.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1472].text |
他給我們這個監委被庭面人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].start |
5622.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].end |
5623.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1473].text |
我們要來改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].start |
5623.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].end |
5625.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1474].text |
要改革檢查院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].start |
5625.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].end |
5626.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1475].text |
檢查院可以進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].start |
5627.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].end |
5628.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1476].text |
其實這次檢查院的糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].start |
5628.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].end |
5629.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1477].text |
是有時候開始不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].start |
5630.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].end |
5632.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1478].text |
你知道網路有一個民意調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].start |
5632.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].end |
5632.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1479].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].start |
5635.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].end |
5637.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1480].text |
一般民眾認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].start |
5637.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].end |
5638.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1481].text |
這網路調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].start |
5639.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].end |
5639.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1482].text |
那您 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].start |
5640.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].end |
5642 |
| transcript.whisperx[1483].text |
支不支持廢除監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].start |
5643.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].end |
5644.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1484].text |
高達 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].start |
5644.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].end |
5645.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1485].text |
快要七成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].start |
5645.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].end |
5646.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1486].text |
六十八%的人暫時 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].start |
5648.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].end |
5650.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1487].text |
表示說一般人對監察院的印象其實沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].start |
5651.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].end |
5654.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1488].text |
其實這個跟對立法院的滿意度差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].start |
5654.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].end |
5654.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1489].text |
差不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].start |
5654.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].end |
5657.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1490].text |
都是將近七成不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].start |
5657.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].end |
5658.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[1491].text |
如果跟你們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].start |
5658.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].end |
5659.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1492].text |
如果說不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].start |
5659.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].end |
5660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1493].text |
要給他廢除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].start |
5660.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].end |
5661.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1494].text |
這樣立法院也要先廢除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].start |
5662.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].end |
5663.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1495].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].start |
5663.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].end |
5664.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1496].text |
所以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].start |
5664.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].end |
5665.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1497].text |
應該是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].start |
5665.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].end |
5666.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1498].text |
我們要來要求你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].start |
5667.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].end |
5668.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1499].text |
你們這要未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].start |
5668.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].end |
5670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1500].text |
有可能做院長 婚姻長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].start |
5670.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].end |
5671.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1501].text |
做監委的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].start |
5671.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].end |
5672.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1502].text |
你要怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].start |
5673.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].end |
5673.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1503].text |
第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].start |
5673.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].end |
5676.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1504].text |
改善民眾對監察院的印象 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].start |
5676.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].end |
5678.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1505].text |
聽到你就有很狡猾的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].start |
5678.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].end |
5679.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1506].text |
你說要讓各位可以變記者會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].start |
5680.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].end |
5681.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1507].text |
讓民眾了解說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].start |
5681.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].end |
5682.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1508].text |
檢查院做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].start |
5683.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].end |
5684.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1509].text |
還是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].start |
5684.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].end |
5685.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1510].text |
要怎麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].start |
5685.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].end |
5687.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1511].text |
來改善監察院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].start |
5688.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].end |
5691.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1512].text |
讓民眾過去民眾的一些民怨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].start |
5691.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].end |
5692.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[1513].text |
對咱部官員收宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].start |
5693.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].end |
5694.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1514].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].start |
5694.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].end |
5696.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1515].text |
對調查員有什麼關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].start |
5696.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].end |
5696.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1516].text |
有什麼保障的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].start |
5698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].end |
5700.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1517].text |
我一直覺得那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].start |
5700.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].end |
5703.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1518].text |
調查官或者調查人員的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].start |
5703.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].end |
5704.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1519].text |
數值 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].start |
5705.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].end |
5706.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1520].text |
跟人力要提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].start |
5707.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].end |
5709.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1521].text |
因為監察委員只有二十幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].start |
5709.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].end |
5711.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1522].text |
又有七個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].start |
5711.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].end |
5712.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1523].text |
在國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].start |
5713.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].end |
5714.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1524].text |
所以實際能辦案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].start |
5715.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].end |
5718.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1525].text |
他需要這些調查官跟調查人員的協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].start |
5718.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].end |
5720.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1526].text |
所以如果他們的素質高 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].start |
5721.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].end |
5722.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1527].text |
能力夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].start |
5722.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].end |
5724.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1528].text |
可以再多辦很多的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].start |
5724.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].end |
5726.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1529].text |
這個是一個重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].start |
5726.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].end |
5727.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1530].text |
第二個我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].start |
5727.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].end |
5729.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1531].text |
就是民間的團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].start |
5729.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].end |
5731.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1532].text |
或者民間的力量要引入 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].start |
5732.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].end |
5733.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1533].text |
檢察院也可以跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].start |
5734.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].end |
5736.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1534].text |
行政單位的某一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].start |
5736.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].end |
5736.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1535].text |
像剛剛講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].start |
5736.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1536].end |
5738.83 |
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政風機構聯政署合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].start |
5739.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].end |
5741.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1537].text |
也可以跟立法院在質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].start |
5741.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1538].end |
5743.63 |
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所提出來的一些弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].start |
5744.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].end |
5745.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1539].text |
去做主動的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].start |
5745.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1540].end |
5747.03 |
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這個都是可以努力的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].start |
5747.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1541].end |
5751.27 |
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其實你看你一年都被罵六次 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].start |
5751.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].end |
5753.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1542].text |
依照監察院目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].start |
5753.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].end |
5755.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[1543].text |
這些監委和調查官 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].start |
5755.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].end |
5756.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1544].text |
做事的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].start |
5757.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].end |
5758.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1545].text |
這實在是負擔非常重 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].start |
5759.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].end |
5761.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1546].text |
所以調查的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].start |
5761.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].end |
5762.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1547].text |
你說會多少好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].start |
5762.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].end |
5764.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1548].text |
這基本上就是一個限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].start |
5765.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].end |
5766.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1549].text |
這就應該讓我們看完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].start |
5766.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].end |
5768.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1550].text |
來改善 進步 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].start |
5768.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].end |
5770.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1551].text |
不過為公正的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].start |
5771.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].end |
5774 |
| transcript.whisperx[1552].text |
在沒有修憲完成以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].start |
5774.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].end |
5777.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1553].text |
監察院就是一個合法的憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].start |
5777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].end |
5779.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1554].text |
它有非常必要性的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].start |
5779.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].end |
5782.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1555].text |
你不能亂花費 把它賺亂掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].start |
5782.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].end |
5785.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[1556].text |
這第一個重大損害到人民的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].start |
5786.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].end |
5789.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1557].text |
所以我希望對於我們的被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].start |
5789.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].end |
5790.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1558].text |
有很大的貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].start |
5797.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].end |
5798.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1559].text |
好 謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].start |
5799.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].end |
5802.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1560].text |
現在我們請劉許廷委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].start |
5816.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].end |
5818.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[1561].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].start |
5821.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].end |
5823.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[1562].text |
請陳被提名的被刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].start |
5828.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].end |
5829.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1563].text |
被提名人早安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].start |
5830.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].end |
5831.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1564].text |
我是立法委員劉許廷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].start |
5831.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].end |
5833.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1565].text |
今天我們分兩個層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].start |
5833.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].end |
5835.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1566].text |
探討一下監察院的功能跟角色扮演 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].start |
5836.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].end |
5839.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1567].text |
希望被提名人知無不言 言無不盡 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].start |
5839.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].end |
5843.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1568].text |
第一個我們探討監察院的憲政角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].start |
5843.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].end |
5844.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1569].text |
這個大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].start |
5845.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].end |
5849.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1570].text |
監察院是憲法設置的監察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].start |
5849.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].end |
5851.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1571].text |
核心的職能大家都非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].start |
5851.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].end |
5853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1572].text |
基本上就是強力的監督公務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].start |
5853.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].end |
5855.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1573].text |
以及政務人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].start |
5855.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].end |
5857.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1574].text |
有沒有違法失職的各種情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].start |
5858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].end |
5859.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1575].text |
憲法第95條明定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].start |
5859.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].end |
5861.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1576].text |
監察院行使監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].start |
5861.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].end |
5863.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1577].text |
得向行政院及各部會調閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].start |
5863.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].end |
5865.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1578].text |
發布命令及各種有關的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].start |
5865.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].end |
5867.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1579].text |
甚至都是內參的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].start |
5867.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].end |
5868.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1580].text |
你也都可以調閱 有調閱權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].start |
5868.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].end |
5872.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1581].text |
監察法也賦予了監察委員調查各機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].start |
5873.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].end |
5874.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1582].text |
及相關人員的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].start |
5874.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].end |
5875.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1583].text |
就是所謂的調查權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].start |
5875.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].end |
5877.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1584].text |
因此我們常常都關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].start |
5877.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].end |
5882.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1585].text |
監察院不能只等到法院判決公務員違法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].start |
5882.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].end |
5884.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1586].text |
我才來做事後的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].start |
5884.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].end |
5885.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1587].text |
或者是有權的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].start |
5885.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].end |
5888.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1588].text |
而是只要有任何的具體事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].start |
5888.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].end |
5889.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1589].text |
甚至有這樣的一個跡象的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].start |
5889.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].end |
5891.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1590].text |
其實是應該要主動出擊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].start |
5891.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].end |
5892.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1591].text |
只要任何的行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].start |
5892.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].end |
5896.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1592].text |
或者是公務員有可能有違法失職的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].start |
5896.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].end |
5898.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1593].text |
其實就可以早日起動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].start |
5898.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].end |
5900.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1594].text |
來儘速釐清事實跟責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].start |
5900.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].end |
5901.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1595].text |
這不也應該同意這樣的說法吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].start |
5901.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].end |
5902.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1596].text |
我這個我贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].start |
5903.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].end |
5903.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1597].text |
贊成對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].start |
5903.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].end |
5905.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1598].text |
所以我們要討論一下這個憲政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].start |
5905.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].end |
5907.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1599].text |
我們就從憲大的方向開始談 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].start |
5907.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].end |
5909.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1600].text |
就談一下所謂的憲政分際的一個詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].start |
5909.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].end |
5912.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1601].text |
因為監察院能夠合理的扮演憲政分際的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].start |
5912.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].end |
5915.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1602].text |
才是能夠發揮功能的一個關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].start |
5915.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].end |
5916.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1603].text |
這不能只是說說而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].start |
5916.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].end |
5918.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1604].text |
而是無法這個過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].start |
5918.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].end |
5920.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1605].text |
常常有沒有辦法付諸實踐的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].start |
5920.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].end |
5922.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1606].text |
剛剛好幾位委員在質詢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].start |
5922.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].end |
5925.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1607].text |
其實都提到了這個民意對於監察院的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].start |
5925.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].end |
5927.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1608].text |
大概顯然是已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].start |
5927.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].end |
5929.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1609].text |
其實相對一個負面的一個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].start |
5929.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].end |
5932.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1610].text |
其實很多時候就背後是有結構性的這樣一個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].start |
5932.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].end |
5933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1611].text |
我想請教一下被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].start |
5933.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].end |
5935.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1612].text |
這依照憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].start |
5935.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].end |
5937.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1613].text |
行政機關有沒有權利自行認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].start |
5937.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].end |
5939.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1614].text |
立法院三讀通過的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].start |
5940.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].end |
5942.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1615].text |
還有總統已經公佈的法律是違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].start |
5942.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].end |
5943.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1616].text |
所以他拒絕執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].start |
5945.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].end |
5947.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1617].text |
委員是說行政機關能不能自行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].start |
5947.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].end |
5950.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1618].text |
行政院有沒有權利去認定立法院通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].start |
5950.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].end |
5951.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1619].text |
而且經過總統公佈的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].start |
5951.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].end |
5953.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1620].text |
因為我認為他違憲所以我不執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].start |
5953.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].end |
5954.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1621].text |
他可不可以這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].start |
5954.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].end |
5956.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1622].text |
這個當然會引起爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].start |
5956.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].end |
5960.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1623].text |
那所以我想這個還是要憲法法庭去做裁決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].start |
5960.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].end |
5964.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1624].text |
行政機構跟立法機構意見不一樣的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].start |
5964.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].end |
5968.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1625].text |
那應該是大法官會議跟憲法法庭要去做裁決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].start |
5968.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].end |
5970.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1626].text |
這個是最後的裁決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].start |
5970.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].end |
5971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1627].text |
但是從你的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].start |
5971.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].end |
5973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1628].text |
有沒有人可以片面認定這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].start |
5973.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].end |
5975.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1629].text |
他們可不可以直接認定這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].start |
5975.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].end |
5978.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1630].text |
我想這個是會有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].start |
5978.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].end |
5980.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1631].text |
但是我不能說他可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].start |
5980.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].end |
5984.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1632].text |
因為檢察院沒有辦法去做這樣的一個判定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].start |
5985.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].end |
5986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1633].text |
那我想請教一下我們大家都講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].start |
5986.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].end |
5988.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1634].text |
檢察院整個運作的核心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].start |
5988.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].end |
5991.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1635].text |
這我想整個國家運作的核心法治國原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].start |
5991.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].end |
5993.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1636].text |
依法行政是最重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].start |
5993.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].end |
5996.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1637].text |
這甚至檢察院很多時候要補一補立法院的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].start |
5996.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].end |
5998.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1638].text |
就是因為即便是違反法律精神的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].start |
5998.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].end |
6000.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1639].text |
其實你都可以集中調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].start |
6000.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].end |
6000.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1640].text |
對不對 |
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6000.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1641].end |
6003.15 |
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大家都檢察院的角色想像跟期待是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].start |
6003.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].end |
6006.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1642].text |
所以換言之社會大眾對於檢察院的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].start |
6006.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].end |
6007.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1643].text |
甚至有的就是高過立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].start |
6007.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].end |
6010.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1644].text |
立法院沒辦法處理是因為我們這邊被法律等等的框架 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].start |
6010.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].end |
6011.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1645].text |
所框線住 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].start |
6011.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].end |
6013.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1646].text |
但是我們法律的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].start |
6013.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].end |
6015.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1647].text |
如果能夠往好的方向去貫徹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].start |
6015.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].end |
6018.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1648].text |
變成一個乾乾淨淨正正當當的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].start |
6018.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].end |
6020.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1649].text |
這才是檢察院的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].start |
6020.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].end |
6021.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1650].text |
結果你今天我們在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].start |
6021.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].end |
6023.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1651].text |
這個憲政裡面出現很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].start |
6023.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].end |
6024.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1652].text |
你說我只能爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].start |
6024.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].end |
6025.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1653].text |
我只能袖手旁觀 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].start |
6025.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].end |
6028.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1654].text |
我覺得這樣的一個答案是蠻失望的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].start |
6028.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].end |
6029.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1655].text |
我想請教一下背景人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].start |
6029.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].end |
6032.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1656].text |
憲法有哪一條法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].start |
6032.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].end |
6034.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1657].text |
這個行政機關可以自行宣告法律是否違憲嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].start |
6035.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].end |
6037.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[1658].text |
我們就法論法就好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].start |
6037.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].end |
6038.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[1659].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].start |
6038.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].end |
6039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1660].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].start |
6039.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].end |
6040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1661].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].start |
6040.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].end |
6041.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1662].text |
當然沒有嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].start |
6041.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1663].end |
6043.4 |
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我舉一個例子比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].start |
6043.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].end |
6044.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1664].text |
法院的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].start |
6045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].end |
6048.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1665].text |
那如果人民不甘願 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].start |
6049.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].end |
6051.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1666].text |
他當然可以來申訴申冤 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].start |
6051.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].end |
6053.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1667].text |
那檢察院也會去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].start |
6053.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].end |
6056.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1668].text |
但是檢察院沒有辦法去決定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].start |
6056.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].end |
6058.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1669].text |
這個法官的自由心證是不是違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].start |
6059.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].end |
6062.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1670].text |
我們只能調查的是法官也沒有受受賄賂 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].start |
6062.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].end |
6064.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1671].text |
或者是做不當的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].start |
6064.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].end |
6066.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1672].text |
這個你的講法我可以理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].start |
6066.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].end |
6067.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1673].text |
但是關鍵就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].start |
6067.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].end |
6070.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1674].text |
就是說我們沒有辦法侵犯司法權的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].start |
6070.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].end |
6072.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1675].text |
當然我們也不能侵犯這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].start |
6072.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].end |
6073.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1676].text |
立法權或者行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].start |
6073.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].end |
6075.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1677].text |
你當然都不能夠侵犯對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].start |
6075.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].end |
6076.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1678].text |
這個五院是平行的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].start |
6076.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].end |
6078.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1679].text |
所以檢察院並不是最高的財富 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].start |
6078.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].end |
6080.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1680].text |
所以今天我才跟你討論這個問題的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].start |
6080.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].end |
6081.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1681].text |
就在於說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].start |
6081.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].end |
6083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1682].text |
既然就是因為大家是平行的一個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].start |
6083.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].end |
6086.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1683].text |
所以彼此間的奮機跟跑位是非常非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].start |
6086.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].end |
6088.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1684].text |
檢察院只是不外乎就一件事嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].start |
6088.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].end |
6089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1685].text |
只要違反了依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].start |
6089.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].end |
6090.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1686].text |
還有依法行政的一個精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].start |
6090.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].end |
6092.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1687].text |
其實檢察院他就可以啟動調查不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].start |
6093.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].end |
6093.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1688].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].start |
6093.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].end |
6095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1689].text |
那今天我們都已經很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].start |
6095.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].end |
6097.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1690].text |
沒有任何的法令可以證明 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].start |
6097.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].end |
6100.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1691].text |
或者是可以允許行政的一個權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].start |
6100.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].end |
6102.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1692].text |
可以隨便的自行的宣布違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].start |
6102.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].end |
6105.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1693].text |
那拒絕執行通過的法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].start |
6105.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].end |
6107.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1694].text |
是不是就是違反了依法行政的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].start |
6108.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].end |
6109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1695].text |
那請問檢察院要不要啟動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].start |
6110.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].end |
6114.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[1696].text |
我覺得立法院通過的行政院長要不要復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].start |
6115.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].end |
6117.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[1697].text |
這個是他們的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].start |
6117.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].end |
6121.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[1698].text |
是不是違憲應該是大法官的解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].start |
6122.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].end |
6124.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1699].text |
他做不到的事情他不復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].start |
6125.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].end |
6127.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1700].text |
我也請教過一些憲法學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].start |
6127.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].end |
6129.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1701].text |
他們認為真的做不到他就不復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].start |
6130.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].end |
6131.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1702].text |
這也是他的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].start |
6131.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].end |
6133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1703].text |
所以你覺得你會願意從寬解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].start |
6133.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].end |
6135.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1704].text |
我認為不復屬是行政院的權利是這樣的意思嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].start |
6136.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].end |
6136.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1705].text |
比如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].start |
6137.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].end |
6139.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1706].text |
如果立法院通過一個法案說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].start |
6141.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].end |
6142.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1707].text |
下個月開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].start |
6142.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].end |
6146.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1708].text |
全台灣的民眾每個月可以領20萬現金 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].start |
6146.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].end |
6148.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1709].text |
那這個當然行政院沒有辦法復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].start |
6148.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].end |
6149.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1710].text |
因為他做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].start |
6149.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].end |
6152.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1711].text |
所以你認為只要做不到就可以不復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].start |
6152.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].end |
6152.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1712].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].start |
6152.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].end |
6155.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1713].text |
這是一個你判斷的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].start |
6155.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].end |
6157.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1714].text |
好我舉個另外一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].start |
6157.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].end |
6160.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1715].text |
這個2025年6月立法院通過的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].start |
6160.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].end |
6161.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1716].text |
叫做軍人待遇條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].start |
6162.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].end |
6164.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1717].text |
請問貝提米人你知道這個事情的脈絡吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].start |
6164.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].end |
6166.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1718].text |
這個軍人待遇條例有沒有復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].start |
6168.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].end |
6169.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1719].text |
有復屬對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].start |
6171.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].end |
6173.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1720].text |
他甚至行政院甚至連提復議都沒有提復議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].start |
6174.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].end |
6175.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1721].text |
也沒有不復屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].start |
6176.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].end |
6177.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1722].text |
整個總統就依法公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].start |
6177.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].end |
6179.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[1723].text |
那請問這樣要不要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].start |
6180.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].end |
6182.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1724].text |
你剛講了你自己的政治判斷這本席願意遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].start |
6183.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].end |
6186.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1725].text |
但是軍人待遇條例是沒有提復議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].start |
6186.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].end |
6188.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1726].text |
也沒有不復屬總統依法公佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].start |
6189.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].end |
6190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1727].text |
我要完全符合正當程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].start |
6190.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].end |
6192.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1728].text |
那就已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].start |
6192.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].end |
6192.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1729].text |
那就已經通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].start |
6192.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].end |
6193.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1730].text |
那請問要不要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].start |
6194.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].end |
6196.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1731].text |
那執行你們要監督啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].start |
6196.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].end |
6198.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1732].text |
是啊那沒有執行的時候你要不要調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].start |
6199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].end |
6201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1733].text |
算不算違反依法行政的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].start |
6202.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].end |
6205.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1734].text |
如果你們通過了他也附屬公佈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].start |
6205.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].end |
6207.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1735].text |
我想你們可以追蹤嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].start |
6207.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].end |
6209.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1736].text |
看看行政院到底有沒有做嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].start |
6209.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].end |
6209.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1737].text |
講得好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].start |
6209.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].end |
6213.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1738].text |
那你要從他的預算有沒有編列開始去看嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].start |
6213.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].end |
6213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1739].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].start |
6213.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].end |
6214.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1740].text |
背景人你要了解這個是嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].start |
6214.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].end |
6216.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1741].text |
所以說理論上來講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].start |
6216.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].end |
6218.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1742].text |
這個從憲政的角度來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].start |
6218.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].end |
6220.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1743].text |
大家以前講三權分立三權分立對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].start |
6221.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].end |
6223.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1744].text |
中華民國體制比較特別變五權分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].start |
6223.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].end |
6224.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1745].text |
其實某一些層面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].start |
6224.72 |
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6226.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1746].text |
監察權跟立法權當初應該是一體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].start |
6227.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].end |
6227.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1747].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].start |
6227.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].end |
6228.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1748].text |
所以大家應該是在同一陣線 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].start |
6228.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].end |
6230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1749].text |
從監督政府的角度來出發 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].start |
6230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].end |
6232.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1750].text |
來討論這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].start |
6232.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].end |
6234.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1751].text |
那你今天講立法院已經告訴你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].start |
6234.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].end |
6236.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1752].text |
現在我們有這個我們當然有在追蹤啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].start |
6236.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].end |
6238.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1753].text |
他就是沒有執行沒有編列相關的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].start |
6238.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].end |
6240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1754].text |
還形成了很多的這個執政的一個僵局 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].start |
6240.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].end |
6241.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1755].text |
預算的僵局等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].start |
6241.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].end |
6244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1756].text |
都是因為來自於這個法律沒有被依法執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].start |
6244.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].end |
6246.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1757].text |
那請問監察院的角色是什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].start |
6246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].end |
6247.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1758].text |
在這個案例裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].start |
6248.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].end |
6250.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1759].text |
那如果立法院向監察院提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].start |
6250.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].end |
6252.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1760].text |
這個案子我們可以調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].start |
6252.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1761].end |
6254.72 |
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提到但是結論是你沒有調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].start |
6254.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1762].end |
6255.92 |
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有提啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].start |
6256.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].end |
6258.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1763].text |
這些當然都有提都有送到監察院啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].start |
6258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].end |
6260.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1764].text |
監察院當初的回應是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].start |
6260.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].end |
6261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1765].text |
我們這個沒有辦法沒有辦法出 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].start |
6261.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[1766].end |
6263.12 |
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因為這個是屬於憲政爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].start |
6263.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].end |
6264.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1767].text |
因為他講說這個要釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].start |
6264.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].end |
6267.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[1768].text |
現在我們執政黨只要這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].start |
6267.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].end |
6269.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1769].text |
對法案品質不滿意或者是內容不滿意 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].start |
6269.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].end |
6271.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1770].text |
他就說我有憲政爭議片面認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].start |
6272.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].end |
6274.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1771].text |
要要進憲法法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].start |
6274.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1772].end |
6275.24 |
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你也就是說好吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].start |
6275.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1773].end |
6277.34 |
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那就交給那個處理你不亦有態度啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].start |
6277.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].end |
6278.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1774].text |
現在的狀況是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].start |
6278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].end |
6281.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1775].text |
很多立法院通過了法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].start |
6281.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].end |
6282.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1776].text |
出現爭議的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].start |
6282.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].end |
6283.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1777].text |
我沒有希望監察院有態度啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].start |
6283.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].end |
6285.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1778].text |
但監察院決定是我沒有態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].start |
6285.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].end |
6287.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1779].text |
被提名同意這樣子的一個風氣嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].start |
6288.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].end |
6289.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1780].text |
我剛剛已經講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].start |
6289.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].end |
6291.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1781].text |
如果立法院跟行政院的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].start |
6291.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].end |
6294.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1782].text |
是是在憲政上有爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].start |
6294.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].end |
6296.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1783].text |
這個要大法官來解釋嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].start |
6296.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].end |
6297.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[1784].text |
不是由監察院來判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].start |
6297.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].end |
6299.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1785].text |
是啊所以你在回應啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].start |
6299.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].end |
6300.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1786].text |
我們立法院相關的一個問卷的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].start |
6300.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].end |
6300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1787].text |
你就講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].start |
6300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].end |
6303.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1788].text |
這有沒有違憲只有司法院可以回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].start |
6303.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].end |
6304.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1789].text |
但在這個判決出來之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].start |
6304.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].end |
6305.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1790].text |
你不亦有任何態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].start |
6305.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].end |
6306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1791].text |
這就是有問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].start |
6306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].end |
6308.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1792].text |
因為我剛舉的軍人待遇條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].start |
6308.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].end |
6310.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[1793].text |
完全沒有任何爭議不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].start |
6310.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].end |
6311.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1794].text |
但是你也沒有做相應的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].start |
6311.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].end |
6313.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1795].text |
你也沒有做調調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].start |
6313.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].end |
6314.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1796].text |
也沒有做彈劾等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].start |
6314.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].end |
6317.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1797].text |
那當然嘛大家就會對監察院失去信心 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].start |
6318.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].end |
6320.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1798].text |
被提名人提了很多改革的一個主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].start |
6320.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].end |
6322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1799].text |
這個大家剛剛這個很多委員也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].start |
6322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].end |
6324.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1800].text |
這擔心監察院被沒有牙齒的老虎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].start |
6324.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].end |
6326.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1801].text |
你都不擔心這樣的事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].start |
6327.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].end |
6330.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1802].text |
我覺得如果真的立法院有碰到這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].start |
6330.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].end |
6332.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1803].text |
把案子送到監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].start |
6332.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].end |
6334.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1804].text |
監察院是可以調查成案立案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].start |
6334.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].end |
6336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1805].text |
但是最後的結果我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].start |
6336.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].end |
6338.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1806].text |
因為要看調查的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].start |
6338.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].end |
6340.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1807].text |
因為前面不管是調查立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].start |
6340.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].end |
6341.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1808].text |
就不受理嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].start |
6341.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].end |
6342.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1809].text |
不處理不立案嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].start |
6342.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].end |
6342.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1810].text |
然後剛剛問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].start |
6342.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].end |
6345.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1811].text |
你要講說啊不亦有不亦有態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].start |
6345.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].end |
6346.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1812].text |
你在問卷回答的時候都是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].start |
6346.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].end |
6347.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1813].text |
這就是本席今天要提一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].start |
6347.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].end |
6348.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1814].text |
這件事情的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].start |
6348.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].end |
6349.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1815].text |
我們很擔心啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].start |
6349.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].end |
6352.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1816].text |
如果監察院沒有辦法扮演這樣一個角色的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].start |
6352.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].end |
6354.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1817].text |
那當然嘛就會違反這個社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].start |
6355.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].end |
6358.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1818].text |
你剛剛提的是兩個不同例子嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].start |
6358.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].end |
6360.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1819].text |
一個是他不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].start |
6360.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].end |
6363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1820].text |
那這個是軍人代表的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].start |
6363.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].end |
6364.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1821].text |
他附屬了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].start |
6364.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].end |
6365.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1822].text |
總統也公布了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].start |
6365.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].end |
6367.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1823].text |
那這個是實行的問題嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].start |
6367.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].end |
6369.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1824].text |
所以這是兩個不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].start |
6369.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].end |
6372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1825].text |
我剛剛舉的例子就是軍人代表的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].start |
6372.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].end |
6374.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1826].text |
因為我說依法公布的一個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].start |
6374.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].end |
6375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1827].text |
就應該要執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].start |
6375.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].end |
6376.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1828].text |
這其實從監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].start |
6376.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].end |
6379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1829].text |
從依法行政的精神本來就要貫徹 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].start |
6379.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].end |
6380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1830].text |
我很擔心這樣的風氣一旦建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].start |
6380.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].end |
6382.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1831].text |
你未來監察院啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].start |
6382.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].end |
6385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1832].text |
我要開始調查違法失職的各種項目的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].start |
6385.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].end |
6386.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1833].text |
然後下面的公務員講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].start |
6386.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].end |
6388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1834].text |
我覺得這個東西有憲政爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].start |
6388.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].end |
6389.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1835].text |
你以前只要碰到憲政爭議你就不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].start |
6390.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].end |
6391.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1836].text |
這個很麻煩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].start |
6391.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].end |
6393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1837].text |
你反而會影響監察院的一個職能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].start |
6393.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].end |
6394.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1838].text |
時間有限啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].start |
6394.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].end |
6395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1839].text |
我就不多跟你談這個事 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].start |
6395.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].end |
6396.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1840].text |
另外一個我要提醒一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].start |
6396.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].end |
6398.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1841].text |
剛剛有委員講說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].start |
6398.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].end |
6400.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1842].text |
這個立法院很喜歡用監察院的調查報告啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].start |
6400.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].end |
6401.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1843].text |
所以監察院很有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].start |
6401.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].end |
6404.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1844].text |
以經貿談判辦公室這個案子來說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].start |
6405.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].end |
6406.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1845].text |
這個調查報告什麼時候出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].start |
6407.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].end |
6408.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1846].text |
7月29號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].start |
6408.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].end |
6410.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1847].text |
行政院什麼時候免職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].start |
6410.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].end |
6411.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[1848].text |
7月2號 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].start |
6412.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].end |
6415.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1849].text |
如果監察院不能善察於前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].start |
6415.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].end |
6416.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1850].text |
強力處理於前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].start |
6416.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].end |
6418.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1851].text |
在這種重大的社會主義案子那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].start |
6418.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].end |
6420.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1852].text |
彰顯相關的權利的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].start |
6420.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].end |
6421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1853].text |
這就是為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].start |
6421.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].end |
6423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1854].text |
大家覺得監察院可憂可哺的原因啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].start |
6423.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].end |
6424.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1855].text |
這因為沒有時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].start |
6424.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].end |
6426.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1856].text |
我就沒辦法聽你回答比較遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].start |
6426.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].end |
6428.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1857].text |
但留在議事錄上給大家做一個參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].start |
6428.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].end |
6429.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1858].text |
以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].start |
6430.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].end |
6431.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1859].text |
謝謝你後援 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].start |
6433.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].end |
6435.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1860].text |
接下來我們請李坤城委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].start |
6435.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].end |
6436.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1861].text |
詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].start |
6452.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].end |
6454.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1862].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].start |
6454.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].end |
6458.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1863].text |
那我們現在請監察院院長貝提明人陳永新院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].start |
6458.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].end |
6460.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[1864].text |
請陳貝提明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].start |
6465.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].end |
6466.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1865].text |
院長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].start |
6466.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].end |
6466.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1866].text |
你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].start |
6467.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].end |
6470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1867].text |
院長算是這個民主政治的前輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].start |
6470.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].end |
6472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1868].text |
不過今天基於之前的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].start |
6472.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].end |
6474.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1869].text |
我必須有些問題要請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].start |
6474.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].end |
6474.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1870].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].start |
6474.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].end |
6476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1871].text |
那個請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].start |
6476.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].end |
6478.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1872].text |
去年其實在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].start |
6478.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].end |
6480.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1873].text |
他就已經大幅的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].start |
6480.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].end |
6482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1874].text |
刪除跟凍結監察院的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].start |
6482.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].end |
6484.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1875].text |
那今年度也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].start |
6484.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].end |
6485.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1876].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].start |
6486.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].end |
6487.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1877].text |
今年度的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].start |
6487.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].end |
6488.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1878].text |
我看也是被 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].start |
6488.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].end |
6490.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1879].text |
也是被刪除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].start |
6490.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].end |
6491.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1880].text |
大概是除了這個人事費用之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].start |
6491.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].end |
6494.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1881].text |
其他的業務費用全部都刪除掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].start |
6494.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].end |
6496.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1882].text |
那我想請問一下陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].start |
6496.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].end |
6497.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1883].text |
如果有這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].start |
6497.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].end |
6500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1884].text |
擔任這一個監察院的院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].start |
6500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].end |
6502.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1885].text |
那你發現說你上任之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].start |
6502.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].end |
6503.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1886].text |
你只剩下人事費 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].start |
6503.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].end |
6505.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1887].text |
其他所有的費用都沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].start |
6505.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].end |
6506.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1888].text |
都被刪除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].start |
6506.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].end |
6507.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1889].text |
那整個監察院要怎麼運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].start |
6508.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].end |
6510.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1890].text |
你不能要馬兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].start |
6510.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].end |
6513.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1891].text |
跑又要馬兒不吃草嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].start |
6513.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].end |
6516.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1892].text |
我會爭取合理的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].start |
6516.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].end |
6517.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[1893].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].start |
6517.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].end |
6521.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1894].text |
在監察院沒有被修憲廢除以前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].start |
6521.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].end |
6524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1895].text |
不應該用把預算刪除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].start |
6524.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].end |
6528.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1896].text |
或者是把監察委員的人選全部否決 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].start |
6528.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].end |
6530.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1897].text |
讓他變成一個空窗 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].start |
6530.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].end |
6531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1898].text |
空轉的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].start |
6531.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].end |
6533.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1899].text |
然後讓他癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].start |
6533.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].end |
6535.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1900].text |
這樣的做法不但不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].start |
6535.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].end |
6537.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1901].text |
其實是違憲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].start |
6537.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].end |
6539.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1902].text |
所以我如果做監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].start |
6539.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].end |
6542.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1903].text |
我一定跟立法院充分的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].start |
6542.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].end |
6543.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1904].text |
爭取合理的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].start |
6543.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].end |
6545.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1905].text |
但是有可能在你這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].start |
6545.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].end |
6546.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1906].text |
有機會擔任院長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].start |
6546.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].end |
6548.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1907].text |
預算已經被刪除掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].start |
6548.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].end |
6551.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1908].text |
所以我今天希望我這裡的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].start |
6551.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].end |
6555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1909].text |
讓這個這個禮拜你們最後協商的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].start |
6555.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].end |
6557.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1910].text |
主張要刪預算的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].start |
6557.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].end |
6560.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1911].text |
立法委員可以再慎重的思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].start |
6560.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].end |
6562.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1912].text |
那如果在您就任之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].start |
6562.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].end |
6563.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1913].text |
有機會就任之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].start |
6563.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].end |
6564.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1914].text |
預算被刪除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].start |
6564.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].end |
6566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1915].text |
那你會採取什麼樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].start |
6566.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].end |
6567.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1916].text |
法律的一個就介的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].start |
6568.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].end |
6569.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1917].text |
我很遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].start |
6569.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].end |
6572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1918].text |
但是我會研究是不是可以再 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].start |
6572.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].end |
6574.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1919].text |
請監察院附議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].start |
6574.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].end |
6576.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[1920].text |
或者是行政院幫我們提這個附議 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].start |
6577.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].end |
6578.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1921].text |
因為去年是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].start |
6578.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].end |
6580.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1922].text |
因為有監委是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].start |
6580.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].end |
6582.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1923].text |
監察院是提出釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].start |
6582.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].end |
6584.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1924].text |
那所以釋憲是不是也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].start |
6584.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].end |
6585.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1925].text |
如果有機會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].start |
6585.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].end |
6586.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[1926].text |
會採取了一個動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].start |
6587.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].end |
6588.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1927].text |
其實我覺得立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].start |
6588.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].end |
6590.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1928].text |
如果是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].start |
6590.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].end |
6592.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1929].text |
這個其實還不需要動到釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].start |
6592.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].end |
6593.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1930].text |
如果是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].start |
6593.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].end |
6595.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1931].text |
預算就不會被刪掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].start |
6595.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].end |
6597.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1932].text |
對啊這個機關沒有廢除 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].start |
6597.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].end |
6597.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1933].text |
你不給他預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].start |
6597.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].end |
6599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1934].text |
然後你又要求他做事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].start |
6599.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].end |
6601.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1935].text |
要有功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].start |
6601.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].end |
6602.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1936].text |
這個是矛盾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].start |
6602.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].end |
6604.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1937].text |
我剛剛已經舉例了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].start |
6604.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].end |
6605.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1938].text |
你治安不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].start |
6605.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].end |
6607.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1939].text |
你不能把警政署廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].start |
6607.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].end |
6611.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1940].text |
你應該監察警察的人力設備配備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].start |
6611.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].end |
6611.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1941].text |
一樣的道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].start |
6611.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].end |
6613.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1942].text |
我們醫院也是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].start |
6613.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].end |
6615.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1943].text |
我發現一個醫院沒有好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].start |
6615.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].end |
6615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1944].text |
經營不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].start |
6615.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].end |
6617.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1945].text |
我就是派更好的醫生去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].start |
6618.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].end |
6619.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1946].text |
給他充分的設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].start |
6619.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].end |
6623.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1947].text |
讓他提升服務病人的這個績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].start |
6638.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].end |
6641.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1948].text |
有可能這個監察委員的提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].start |
6641.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].end |
6643.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1949].text |
都被藍白 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].start |
6643.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].end |
6644.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1950].text |
都被反對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].start |
6644.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].end |
6645.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1951].text |
所以接下來有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].start |
6645.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].end |
6649.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[1952].text |
會呈現一個沒有監察委員的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].start |
6649.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].end |
6653.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1953].text |
那這個我想對台灣社會的不幸 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].start |
6653.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].end |
6654.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1954].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].start |
6655.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].end |
6656.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1955].text |
不要什麼事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].start |
6656.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].end |
6659.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1956].text |
都要讓這個政府癱瘓空傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].start |
6659.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].end |
6663.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1957].text |
大家應該為了整個人民著想 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].start |
6663.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].end |
6665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[1958].text |
這個機構讓他發揮功能才是正途 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].start |
6667.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].end |
6668.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1959].text |
所以其實蠻矛盾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].start |
6668.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].end |
6671.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1960].text |
我剛才也聽了幾位國民黨委員他們的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].start |
6671.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].end |
6674.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1961].text |
台北提到說這個監察院要發揮調查權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].start |
6674.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].end |
6675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1962].text |
監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].start |
6675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].end |
6675.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1963].text |
要彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].start |
6675.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].end |
6676.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1964].text |
要糾舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].start |
6676.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].end |
6677.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1965].text |
糾正等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].start |
6677.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].end |
6680.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1966].text |
但是實際上他沒有想讓你過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].start |
6680.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].end |
6681.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1967].text |
沒有想讓你過 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].start |
6681.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].end |
6684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1968].text |
因為希望說監察院要發揮這些的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].start |
6684.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].end |
6685.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1969].text |
這其實是矛盾的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].start |
6685.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].end |
6687.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1970].text |
那我再請一下一下陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].start |
6687.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].end |
6690.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1971].text |
那過去您跟這個民眾黨的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].start |
6690.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].end |
6693.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1972].text |
跟這個柯文哲跟黃國昌 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].start |
6693.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].end |
6695.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1973].text |
兩位主席的關係算是不錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].start |
6695.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].end |
6697.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[1974].text |
那這次有特別去拜會他們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].start |
6698.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].end |
6698.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[1975].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].start |
6699.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].end |
6701.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[1976].text |
我過去當然從 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].start |
6702.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].end |
6704.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1977].text |
台聯時代力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].start |
6704.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].end |
6706 |
| transcript.whisperx[1978].text |
一直到民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].start |
6706 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].end |
6708.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1979].text |
我都是比較關心弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].start |
6708.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].end |
6710.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1980].text |
所以我也覺得他們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].start |
6710.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].end |
6712.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1981].text |
台灣社會比較弱小的政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].start |
6712.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].end |
6715.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1982].text |
我都曾經給予很大的幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].start |
6715.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].end |
6716 |
| transcript.whisperx[1983].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].start |
6716 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].end |
6719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[1984].text |
我覺得監察院長是一個要得罪人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].start |
6720.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].end |
6722.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1985].text |
監察院是得罪人的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].start |
6722.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].end |
6723.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1986].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].start |
6723.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].end |
6728.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1987].text |
我不會去拜託任何的一個委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].start |
6728.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].end |
6732.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1988].text |
李登輝總統曾經提名我做監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].start |
6732.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].end |
6733.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1989].text |
那時候我才39歲 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].start |
6733.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].end |
6735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1990].text |
是最年輕的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].start |
6735.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].end |
6737.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[1991].text |
那時候的院長是陳禹安 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].start |
6738.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].end |
6741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1992].text |
李登輝總統要陳禹安帶我們29個監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].start |
6741.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].end |
6744.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1993].text |
去拜託當時的國民大會代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].start |
6744.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].end |
6746.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1994].text |
只有我一個沒有去 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].start |
6746.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].end |
6746.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1995].text |
因為我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].start |
6746.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].end |
6749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1996].text |
我不能欠這些國大人情 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].start |
6749.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].end |
6751.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1997].text |
我將來要彈劾人家 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].start |
6751.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].end |
6752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1998].text |
他們說 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].start |
6752.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].end |
6754.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[1999].text |
你當初請我投你一票 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].start |
6754.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].end |
6756.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2000].text |
那這個案子是不是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].start |
6756.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].end |
6758.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2001].text |
這個觀說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].start |
6758.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].end |
6759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2002].text |
那我怎麼做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].start |
6759.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].end |
6761.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2003].text |
所以我是不會去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].start |
6762.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].end |
6763.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2004].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].start |
6763.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].end |
6767.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2005].text |
那因為除了民進黨支持之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].start |
6767.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].end |
6769.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2006].text |
可能還需要在野黨的支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].start |
6769.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].end |
6771.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2007].text |
那你有信心通過這次的人事通告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].start |
6771.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].end |
6773.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2008].text |
我知道有困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].start |
6773.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].end |
6774.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2009].text |
第一次來總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].start |
6774.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].end |
6776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2010].text |
希望我當任監察院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].start |
6776.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].end |
6777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2011].text |
我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].start |
6777.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].end |
6778.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2012].text |
大概不會通過吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].start |
6779.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].end |
6781.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2013].text |
我說讓我思考一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].start |
6781.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].end |
6782.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2014].text |
後來我祈禱 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].start |
6783.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].end |
6784.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2015].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].start |
6785.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].end |
6787.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2016].text |
監察院是一個行公義的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].start |
6787.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].end |
6790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2017].text |
是要追求社會公平正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].start |
6790 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].end |
6791.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2018].text |
那這個是聖經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].start |
6792.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].end |
6794.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2019].text |
所教會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].start |
6794.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].end |
6796.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2020].text |
也是我畢生努力的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].start |
6796.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].end |
6797.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2021].text |
後來我跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].start |
6797.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].end |
6798.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2022].text |
賴總統說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].start |
6798.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].end |
6799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2023].text |
好啦我答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].start |
6799.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].end |
6800.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2024].text |
即使不過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].start |
6800.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].end |
6802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2025].text |
也是上帝的旨意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].start |
6802.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].end |
6805.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2026].text |
那我願意承擔這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].start |
6805.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].end |
6806.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2027].text |
但是但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].start |
6807.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].end |
6810.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2028].text |
事實上我覺得目前朝野對立的這種氣氛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].start |
6811.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].end |
6813.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2029].text |
真的我們要把監察院好好改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].start |
6813.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].end |
6815.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2030].text |
是有相當的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].start |
6815.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].end |
6817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2031].text |
可是要廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].start |
6817.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].end |
6818.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2032].text |
現實是做不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].start |
6819.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].end |
6821.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2033].text |
最少好幾年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].start |
6821.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].end |
6823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2034].text |
要去討論這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].start |
6823.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].end |
6824.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2035].text |
新鮮的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].start |
6824.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].end |
6826.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2036].text |
真正的版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].start |
6826.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].end |
6828.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2037].text |
所以我覺得應該是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].start |
6828.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].end |
6829.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2038].text |
朝野的立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].start |
6829.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].end |
6831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2039].text |
特別是在野的立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].start |
6831.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].end |
6833.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2040].text |
其實應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].start |
6833.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].end |
6835.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2041].text |
用朝野黨派的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].start |
6835.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].end |
6836.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2042].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].start |
6837.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].end |
6838.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2043].text |
看這個人事案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].start |
6838.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].end |
6839.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2044].text |
我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].start |
6840.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].end |
6841.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2045].text |
不是所有提名的都不適任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].start |
6842.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].end |
6845.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2046].text |
如果說要全部封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].start |
6845.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].end |
6847.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2047].text |
那根本就不需要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].start |
6847.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].end |
6849.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2048].text |
就直接退回了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].start |
6849.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].end |
6850.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2049].text |
既然要審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].start |
6850.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].end |
6852.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2050].text |
就應該好好的看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].start |
6852.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].end |
6853.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2051].text |
每一個被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].start |
6854.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].end |
6855.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2052].text |
他的操守 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].start |
6856.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].end |
6858.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2053].text |
他的性格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].start |
6858.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].end |
6860.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2054].text |
或者他過去的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].start |
6860.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].end |
6861.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2055].text |
他的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].start |
6861.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].end |
6864.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2056].text |
在社會上是不是一個受敬重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].start |
6864.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].end |
6866.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2057].text |
一個好的監委的人選 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].start |
6866.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].end |
6871.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2058].text |
那我覺得這樣才能夠幫助台灣社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].start |
6871.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].end |
6872.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2059].text |
讓監察院發揮功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].start |
6872.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].end |
6875.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2060].text |
陳院長講的是一個理想的一個狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].start |
6875.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].end |
6877.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2061].text |
如果立法院是講道理的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].start |
6877.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].end |
6880.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2062].text |
審查也不應該全部都封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].start |
6880.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].end |
6882.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2063].text |
那目前看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].start |
6882.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].end |
6884.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2064].text |
有可能還是會被在野黨封殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].start |
6884.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].end |
6886.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2065].text |
我也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].start |
6887.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].end |
6888.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2066].text |
問心無愧 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].start |
6888.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].end |
6890.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2067].text |
我覺得平常心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].start |
6890.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].end |
6891.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2068].text |
被通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].start |
6891.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].end |
6895.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2069].text |
我一定讓監察院變成一個民眾可以信賴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].start |
6895.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].end |
6896.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2070].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].start |
6897.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].end |
6899.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2071].text |
行使公義的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].start |
6899.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].end |
6900.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2072].text |
但是不通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].start |
6901.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].end |
6903.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2073].text |
其實是讓我比較自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].start |
6904.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].end |
6905.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2074].text |
我這個年紀 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].start |
6905.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].end |
6908.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2075].text |
我可以比較輕鬆的過日子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].start |
6908.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].end |
6910.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2076].text |
那再請教一下陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].start |
6910.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].end |
6913.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2077].text |
因為剛剛有委員有提到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].start |
6913.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].end |
6914.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2078].text |
我們楊錚宁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].start |
6914.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].end |
6916.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2079].text |
我們談判總代表楊錚宁 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].start |
6916.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].end |
6918.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2080].text |
他是在7月29號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].start |
6918.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].end |
6921.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2081].text |
被第六屆的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].start |
6921.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].end |
6922.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2082].text |
通過彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].start |
6922.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].end |
6923.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2083].text |
那通過彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].start |
6923.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].end |
6924.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2084].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].start |
6924.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].end |
6927.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2085].text |
是要送懲戒法院來做審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].start |
6927.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].end |
6929.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2086].text |
那接下來有可能會產生一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].start |
6929.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].end |
6930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2087].text |
就是當懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].start |
6930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].end |
6932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2088].text |
不是在監察院這個體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].start |
6932.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].end |
6932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2089].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].start |
6932.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].end |
6934.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2090].text |
如果懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].start |
6934.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].end |
6935.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2091].text |
他審理的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].start |
6935.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].end |
6937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2092].text |
一審判決出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].start |
6937.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].end |
6938.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2093].text |
那監察院覺得說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].start |
6938.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].end |
6941.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2094].text |
這一個對於一審判決結果絕對不符 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].start |
6941.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].end |
6943.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2095].text |
這個必須要當初的調查監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].start |
6943.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].end |
6944.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2096].text |
或是新任的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].start |
6944.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].end |
6947.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2097].text |
在20天內決定是否上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].start |
6947.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].end |
6949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2098].text |
如果到時候沒有監察委員了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].start |
6949.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].end |
6950.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2099].text |
那怎麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].start |
6951.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].end |
6952.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2100].text |
對了 所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].start |
6952.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].end |
6955.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2101].text |
如果讓監察院空窗或者癱瘓 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].start |
6955.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].end |
6957.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2102].text |
其實不是全民之福 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].start |
6957.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].end |
6959.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2103].text |
所以我們還是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].start |
6959.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].end |
6962.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2104].text |
9月29號大家投票的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].start |
6962.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].end |
6963.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2105].text |
可以真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].start |
6964.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].end |
6965.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[2106].text |
賓捷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].start |
6966.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].end |
6967.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2107].text |
專業的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].start |
6967.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].end |
6969.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2108].text |
然後全民的福祉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].start |
6969.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].end |
6971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2109].text |
去考慮這個人事權的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].start |
6971.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].end |
6972.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2110].text |
我剛才特別是舉這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].start |
6972.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].end |
6973.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2111].text |
楊振宇這個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].start |
6973.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].end |
6974.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2112].text |
因為大家重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].start |
6974.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].end |
6976.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2113].text |
他就變成一個無解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].start |
6976.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].end |
6978.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2114].text |
就是沒有辦法處理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].start |
6978.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].end |
6980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2115].text |
沒有監察委員可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].start |
6980.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].end |
6982.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2116].text |
可以決定說是否要提上訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].start |
6983.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].end |
6986.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2117].text |
那接下來人民陳情案怎麼做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].start |
6986.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].end |
6987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2118].text |
如果沒有監察院了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].start |
6987.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].end |
6989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2119].text |
就沒辦法處理了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].start |
6989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].end |
6989.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2120].text |
就沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].start |
6989.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].end |
6991.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2121].text |
可以收件但是沒辦法處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].start |
6992.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].end |
6994.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2122].text |
現在就沒有人能夠調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].start |
6994.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].end |
6994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2123].text |
沒有人能夠調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].start |
6994.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].end |
6995.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2124].text |
因為沒有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].start |
6995.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].end |
6997.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2125].text |
沒有人能指揮辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].start |
6997.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].end |
6998.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2126].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].start |
6998.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].end |
7000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2127].text |
但是大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].start |
7000.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].end |
7001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2128].text |
除了收件之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].start |
7001.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].end |
7003.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2129].text |
那大概就是案子就躺在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].start |
7003.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].end |
7005.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2130].text |
也沒辦法做任何的審理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].start |
7005.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].end |
7006.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2131].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].start |
7007.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].end |
7008.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2132].text |
人民的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].start |
7009.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].end |
7012.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2133].text |
深淵無處可深 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].start |
7012.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].end |
7013.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2134].text |
這個是社會的損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].start |
7014.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].end |
7016.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2135].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].start |
7016.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].end |
7017.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2136].text |
我們所講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].start |
7017.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].end |
7019.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2137].text |
監察院一般賦予的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].start |
7019.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].end |
7020.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2138].text |
彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].start |
7020.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].end |
7021.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2139].text |
究舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].start |
7021.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].end |
7021.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2140].text |
糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].start |
7021.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].end |
7022.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2141].text |
完全都停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].start |
7023.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].end |
7025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2142].text |
因為沒有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].start |
7025.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].end |
7027.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2143].text |
對啊就停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].start |
7027.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].end |
7027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2144].text |
那現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].start |
7027.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].end |
7029.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2145].text |
年底要選縣市長選舉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].start |
7029.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].end |
7031.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2146].text |
那當然現在我看很多候選人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].start |
7031.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].end |
7033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2147].text |
都已經就申請了政治獻金了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].start |
7033.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].end |
7034.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2148].text |
那政治獻金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].start |
7034.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].end |
7036.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2149].text |
當然現在要申請是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].start |
7036.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].end |
7037.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2150].text |
但是如果政治獻金 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].start |
7037.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].end |
7040.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2151].text |
未來相關有發現一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].start |
7040.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].end |
7041.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2152].text |
相關的裁罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].start |
7041.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].end |
7043.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2153].text |
還是要有監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].start |
7043.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].end |
7045.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2154].text |
所以陽光法案就也停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].start |
7045.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].end |
7046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2155].text |
陽光法案也停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].start |
7046.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].end |
7050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2156].text |
我是覺得不應該讓監察院停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].start |
7050.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].end |
7051.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2157].text |
所以所以我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].start |
7051.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].end |
7052.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2158].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].start |
7052.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].end |
7054.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2159].text |
這個大家期待監察院要有作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].start |
7054.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].end |
7056.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2160].text |
但是監察委員他不讓你通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].start |
7056.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].end |
7058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2161].text |
那我們所講的這個陽光事法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].start |
7058.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].end |
7059.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2162].text |
也都停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].start |
7059.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].end |
7061.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2163].text |
然後監察院要做的這個彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].start |
7061.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].end |
7062.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2164].text |
糾正 糾舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].start |
7062.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].end |
7063.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2165].text |
也完全沒辦法做了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].start |
7063.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].end |
7064.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2166].text |
那更不用說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].start |
7064.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].end |
7066.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2167].text |
國家認清委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].start |
7066.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].end |
7067.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2168].text |
也沒有了嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].start |
7067.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].end |
7069.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2169].text |
我說監察院需要改 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].start |
7074.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].end |
7076.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2170].text |
好 謝謝李委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].start |
7076.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].end |
7078.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2171].text |
謝謝陳佩提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].start |
7078.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].end |
7080.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2172].text |
報告全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].start |
7080.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].end |
7085.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2173].text |
對監察院院長被提名人陳詠勳 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].start |
7085.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].end |
7087.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2174].text |
詢答部分到此為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].start |
7087.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].end |
7090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2175].text |
謝謝陳佩提名人列席答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].start |
7090.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].end |
7091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2176].text |
報告全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].start |
7091.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].end |
7095.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2177].text |
現在休息十分鐘休息之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].start |
7095.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].end |
7098.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2178].text |
進行對監察院副院長被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].start |
7098.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].end |
7100.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2179].text |
王榮章質詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].start |
7100.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].end |
7101.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2180].text |
現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].start |
7671.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].end |
7672.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2181].text |
報告全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].start |
7672.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].end |
7674.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2182].text |
現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].start |
7675.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].end |
7676.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2183].text |
審查監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].start |
7676.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].end |
7678.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2184].text |
並為副院長被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].start |
7678.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].end |
7681.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[2185].text |
王榮章質資格相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].start |
7682.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].end |
7684.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2186].text |
請被提名人王榮章先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].start |
7684.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].end |
7687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2187].text |
就發言台前說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].start |
7687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].end |
7688.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2188].text |
時間為十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].start |
7703.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].end |
7706.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2189].text |
主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].start |
7706.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].end |
7710.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2190].text |
總統提名本人擔任監察院第七屆監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].start |
7710.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].end |
7712.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2191].text |
並兼任監察院副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].start |
7712.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].end |
7714.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2192].text |
及國家人權委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].start |
7714.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].end |
7716.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2193].text |
今天能在全院委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].start |
7716.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].end |
7719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2194].text |
向各位報告個人的理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].start |
7719.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].end |
7722.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2195].text |
和未來工作方向深感責任重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].start |
7723.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].end |
7725.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2196].text |
監察院是目前憲政體制中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].start |
7725.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].end |
7727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2197].text |
重要的監督機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].start |
7727.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].end |
7728.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2198].text |
肩負 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].start |
7728.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].end |
7730.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2199].text |
糾正行政失衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].start |
7730.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].end |
7731.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2200].text |
保障人民權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].start |
7731.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].end |
7736.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2201].text |
促進能自理和深化人權價值的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].start |
7736.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].end |
7737.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2202].text |
副院長的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].start |
7737.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].end |
7740.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2203].text |
是協助院長推動院務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].start |
7740.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].end |
7743.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2204].text |
維持監察權獨立行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].start |
7743.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].end |
7745.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2205].text |
促進委員協調合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].start |
7745.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].end |
7748.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2206].text |
提升監察竅能的重要責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].start |
7748.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].end |
7750.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2207].text |
我相信監察權的行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].start |
7750.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].end |
7753.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2208].text |
必須建立在證據 程序和公共利益之上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].start |
7753.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].end |
7756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2209].text |
而不能受到政治立場個人好惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].start |
7756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].end |
7758.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2210].text |
或外在壓力影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].start |
7758.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].end |
7760.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2211].text |
未來若能獲貴院同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].start |
7760.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].end |
7761.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2212].text |
我將相助院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].start |
7761.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].end |
7764.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2213].text |
營造一個尊重委員獨立判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].start |
7764.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].end |
7765.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2214].text |
重視程序正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].start |
7765.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].end |
7768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2215].text |
強化專業幕僚資源的工作環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].start |
7768.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].end |
7772.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2216].text |
使重大公共爭議或人民陳情案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].start |
7772.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].end |
7775.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2217].text |
都能在完整蒐證 充分聽取意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].start |
7775.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].end |
7778.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2218].text |
嚴謹辨明事實的基礎上處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].start |
7778.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].end |
7782.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2219].text |
唯有如此監察院的調查事實與糾正務實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].start |
7782.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].end |
7784.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2220].text |
才能建立公信力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].start |
7784.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].end |
7786.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[2221].text |
也才能促使行政機關改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].start |
7787.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].end |
7791.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2222].text |
監察權的目的不僅是追究維師 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].start |
7791.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].end |
7793.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2223].text |
更在促進制度改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].start |
7793.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].end |
7796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2224].text |
對於施政效能 公共資源運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].start |
7796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].end |
7800.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2225].text |
工程建設執行 採購程序 利益衝突回避 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].start |
7802.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].end |
7806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2226].text |
競選經費透明及資訊 公開等問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].start |
7806.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].end |
7808.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2227].text |
監察院應發揮功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].start |
7808.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].end |
7811.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2228].text |
協助政府建立更健全的內控機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].start |
7811.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].end |
7814.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2229].text |
未來藉由整合調查審計 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].start |
7814.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].end |
7817.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2230].text |
陽光法案與行政資源等資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].start |
7818.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].end |
7819.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2231].text |
使監察委員在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].start |
7820.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].end |
7823.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2232].text |
依法獨立行使職權的前提下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].start |
7823.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].end |
7826.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2233].text |
更能以具體成果回應社會對 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].start |
7826.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].end |
7829.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2234].text |
連結政府和有效政府的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].start |
7829.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].end |
7831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2235].text |
而國家人權委員會的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].start |
7831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].end |
7833.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2236].text |
不僅是對個案的關切 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].start |
7833.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].end |
7836 |
| transcript.whisperx[2237].text |
更在於從憲法價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].start |
7836 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].end |
7838.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2238].text |
與國際人權標準出發 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].start |
7838.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].end |
7840 |
| transcript.whisperx[2239].text |
檢視國家制度與施政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].start |
7840 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].end |
7844.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2240].text |
是否真正尊重人的尊嚴 平等 自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].start |
7844.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].end |
7847.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2241].text |
本人將接力依據巴黎原則的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].start |
7847.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].end |
7850.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2242].text |
並持續強化與亞太地區 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].start |
7850.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].end |
7852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2243].text |
國家人權機構論壇 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].start |
7852.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].end |
7855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2244].text |
國家人權機構全球聯盟等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].start |
7855.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].end |
7858.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2245].text |
國際人權機構的交流合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].start |
7858.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].end |
7860.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2246].text |
促進人權會成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].start |
7860.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].end |
7864.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2247].text |
具有完整獨立性的國家人權機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].start |
7864.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].end |
7867.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2248].text |
讓調查 研究 政策建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].start |
7867.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].end |
7870.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2249].text |
和人權教育能更順利開展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].start |
7870.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].end |
7872.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2250].text |
並促使脆弱群體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].start |
7872.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].end |
7874.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2251].text |
和邊緣處境者的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].start |
7874.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].end |
7876.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2252].text |
能被聽見 被理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].start |
7876.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].end |
7879.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2253].text |
並轉換為可以落實的改革方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].start |
7880.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].end |
7882.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2254].text |
未來的人權會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].start |
7882.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].end |
7885.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2255].text |
應該讓工作流程更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].start |
7885.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].end |
7886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2256].text |
回應更即時 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].start |
7886.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].end |
7888.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2257].text |
資訊更透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].start |
7888.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].end |
7890.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2258].text |
支持委員從個案中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].start |
7890.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].end |
7892.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2259].text |
發現制度性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].start |
7892.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].end |
7895.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2260].text |
無論是社會福利 醫療照護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].start |
7895.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].end |
7897.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2261].text |
教育機會 居住正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].start |
7897.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].end |
7900.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2262].text |
勞動保障 司法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].start |
7900.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].end |
7901.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2263].text |
環境保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].start |
7901.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].end |
7903.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2264].text |
或原住民 新住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].start |
7903.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].end |
7906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2265].text |
身心障礙者 兒少 婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].start |
7906.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].end |
7911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2266].text |
高齡者 LGBTQ plus等群體的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].start |
7911.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].end |
7915.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2267].text |
都是人權會應積極面對的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].start |
7915.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].end |
7919.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2268].text |
人權工作重視跨領域協調與制度改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].start |
7920.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].end |
7923.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2269].text |
促使政府以更積極 即時 有效的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].start |
7923.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].end |
7925.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2270].text |
回應人民需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].start |
7925.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].end |
7928.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2271].text |
另外 人權會也應該依據貝爾格勒原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].start |
7928.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].end |
7931.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2272].text |
加強與立法院的交流合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].start |
7931.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].end |
7933.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2273].text |
但要特別說明的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].start |
7933.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].end |
7936.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2274].text |
從109年人權會成立至今 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].start |
7936.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].end |
7941.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2275].text |
在各個人權公約國家報告審查的結論性意見中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].start |
7941.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].end |
7942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2276].text |
國際專家多次指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].start |
7942.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].end |
7945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2277].text |
現行制度存在結構性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].start |
7945.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].end |
7948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2278].text |
現行國家人權委員會組織法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].start |
7948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].end |
7951.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2279].text |
規定監察委員兼任人權委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].start |
7951.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].end |
7954.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2280].text |
已被民間人權團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].start |
7954.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].end |
7956.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2281].text |
學者專家與國際審查委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].start |
7956.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].end |
7959.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2282].text |
明確指出違反巴黎原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].start |
7959.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].end |
7963.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2283].text |
要求獨立性和專職性 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].start |
7963.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].end |
7968.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2284].text |
也造成監察權和人權職責的角色混淆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].start |
7968.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].end |
7971.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2285].text |
監察權偏向事後追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].start |
7971.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].end |
7973.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2286].text |
政府與公職人員的違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].start |
7973.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].end |
7977.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2287].text |
而人權委員會則著重事前預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].start |
7977.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].end |
7981.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2288].text |
兩者本質不同卻由同一人兼任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].start |
7981.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].end |
7983.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2289].text |
必然造成角色衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].start |
7983.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].end |
7986.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[2290].text |
也壓縮人權工作所需的專職投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2291].start |
7986.94 |
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7988.24 |
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在這樣的制度下 |
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7988.24 |
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7990.34 |
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本人於第六屆監委任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[2293].start |
7991.63 |
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7994.53 |
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必須在兩種職權間做出取捨 |
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7994.53 |
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7996.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2294].text |
為了避免角色衝突並維持 |
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7997.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].end |
7999.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2295].text |
人權工作的專業性 |
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7999.58 |
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8001.68 |
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本人選擇將主要的心力 |
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8001.68 |
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8004.18 |
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投入於人權委員職責 |
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8004.18 |
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8005.58 |
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這不是待呼 |
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8005.58 |
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8007.28 |
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而是依據國際標準 |
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8007.84 |
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8009.54 |
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所做出的必要選擇 |
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8009.54 |
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8013.74 |
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也符合人權團體與專家長期倡議的方向 |
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8013.74 |
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8014.94 |
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今年七月 |
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8014.94 |
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8018.24 |
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人權會發布由第一屆人權委員 |
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8018.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2304].end |
8020.54 |
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共同討論提出的 |
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8020.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[2305].end |
8022.64 |
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對於台灣國家人權機構 |
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8022.64 |
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8025.24 |
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未來發展之意見書 |
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8025.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].end |
8028.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2307].text |
具體建議在組織未調整之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].start |
8029.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].end |
8030.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2308].text |
再見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].start |
8031.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].end |
8035.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2309].text |
人權委員應與監察院全體委員共同討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].start |
8035.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2310].end |
8039.07 |
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兼任人權委員的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].start |
8039.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].end |
8042.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2311].text |
得以低度參與監察職權工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].start |
8042.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].end |
8047.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[2312].text |
以盡可能專職於人權保障及促進職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].start |
8048.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].end |
8052.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2313].text |
過去六年本人專注於人權委員職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].start |
8052.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[2314].end |
8053.61 |
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推動人權會建置 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].start |
8054.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].end |
8056.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2315].text |
制度建立與政策改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].start |
8056.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].end |
8059.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2316].text |
在擔任副主任委員期間 |
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8059.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].end |
8061.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2317].text |
督導完成2023年到2026年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].start |
8061.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].end |
8063.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2318].text |
中程策略計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].start |
8063.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].end |
8065.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2319].text |
建立人權申訴制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].start |
8065.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].end |
8068.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2320].text |
建置符合可及性 |
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8068.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].end |
8070.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2321].text |
無障礙的多元申訴管道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].start |
8070.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].end |
8072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2322].text |
並相助主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].start |
8072.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].end |
8075.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2323].text |
訂定攸關人權會職權行使的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].start |
8075.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].end |
8076.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2324].text |
內部作業規範 |
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8076.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].end |
8078.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2325].text |
包括人權申訴案件 |
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8078.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].end |
8081.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2326].text |
派查原則處理人權申訴案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].start |
8081.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].end |
8082.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2327].text |
作業程序 |
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8082.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].end |
8083.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2328].text |
算題個人權公約 |
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8083.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].end |
8086.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2329].text |
獨立評估意見及參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].start |
8086.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].end |
8088.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2330].text |
國際審查作業手冊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].start |
8088.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].end |
8091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2331].text |
監督個人權公約結論性意見 |
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8091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].end |
8093.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2332].text |
落實作業規範等 |
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8093.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].end |
8094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2333].text |
同時本人也代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].start |
8094.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].end |
8097.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2334].text |
臺灣參與國際人權交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].start |
8097.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].end |
8100.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2335].text |
深化我國與國際人權社群的連結 |
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8100.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].end |
8102.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2336].text |
本人依國際標準 |
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8102.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].end |
8104.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2337].text |
專注於人權委員職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].start |
8104.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].end |
8107.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2338].text |
致力於制度建立人權保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].start |
8107.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].end |
8109.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2339].text |
公約落實與國際連結 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].start |
8109.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].end |
8112.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2340].text |
也展現人權委員應有的專業投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].start |
8113.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].end |
8115.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2341].text |
在身心障礙權利公約方面 |
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8115.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].end |
8117.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2342].text |
本人主責提出 |
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8117.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2343].end |
8120.33 |
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第二次和第三次國家報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].start |
8120.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].end |
8122.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2344].text |
獨立評估意見與平行回應 |
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8122.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].end |
8125.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2345].text |
並且發佈點字手語有聲書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].start |
8125.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].end |
8128.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2346].text |
與異讀等可及性無障礙版本 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].start |
8128.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].end |
8131.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2347].text |
推動我國CRPD獨立監督機制 |
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8131.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].end |
8134.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2348].text |
以及相關的監督計畫 |
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8134.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].end |
8137.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2349].text |
以系統性方法調查身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].start |
8139.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].end |
8141.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2350].text |
最關切的權利議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].start |
8141.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].end |
8145.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2351].text |
編寫身心障礙者合理調整參考指引 |
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8145.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].end |
8147.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2352].text |
推動合理調整入法 |
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8147.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].end |
8149.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2353].text |
並就身心障礙者權益保護法修正案 |
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8149.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].end |
8152.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2354].text |
及反歧視法草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].start |
8152.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].end |
8156.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[2355].text |
國家人權行動計畫等提出書面意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].start |
8156.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].end |
8161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2356].text |
以及對心理社會障礙處罰者的處遇制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].start |
8161.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].end |
8162.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2357].text |
嚴重情緒行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].start |
8162.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].end |
8165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2358].text |
心智障礙者支持體系等議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].start |
8165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].end |
8166.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2359].text |
提出改革建議 |
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8166.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].end |
8168.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2360].text |
且多獲行政院採納 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].start |
8168.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].end |
8172.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2361].text |
最後就社會關注本人公務車使用問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].start |
8172.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].end |
8174.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[2362].text |
向各位委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].start |
8175.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].end |
8179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2363].text |
為究竟使用監察院內的理髮部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].start |
8179.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].end |
8183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2364].text |
是因為他的設備跟本人的障礙限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].start |
8183.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].end |
8186.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2365].text |
無法融合使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].start |
8186.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].end |
8189.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2366].text |
當天因為公務會議臨時取消而提前下班 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].start |
8189.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].end |
8192.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[2367].text |
途中順道到鄰近店家理髮 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].start |
8193.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].end |
8197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2368].text |
所有公務車使用的油料保險維修費用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].start |
8197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].end |
8199.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2369].text |
均由本人自行負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].start |
8199.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].end |
8201.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2370].text |
沒有造成公務資源損害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].start |
8201.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].end |
8205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2371].text |
這輛配屬的車輛從107年到114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].start |
8205.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].end |
8208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2372].text |
立法院通過的監察院法定預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].start |
8208.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].end |
8210.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2373].text |
公務車輛名系表中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].start |
8210.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].end |
8213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2374].text |
均將其列為首長專用車 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].start |
8213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].end |
8216.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2375].text |
而非統一調派的車輛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].start |
8216.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].end |
8218.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2376].text |
在15年4月修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].start |
8218.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].end |
8222.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2377].text |
監察院公務車輛及駕駛人員管理要點之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].start |
8222.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].end |
8228.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2378].text |
監察委員用車是按照監察院監察委員使用車輛規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].start |
8228.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].end |
8231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2379].text |
這顯示內部的管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].start |
8231.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].end |
8234.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2380].text |
和外部監督標準存有確實的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].start |
8234.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].end |
8236.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2381].text |
本人願意接受指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].start |
8236.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].end |
8238.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2382].text |
並且支持更透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].start |
8240.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].end |
8242.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2383].text |
一致的公務車管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].start |
8242.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].end |
8245.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2384].text |
未來若承擔副院長職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].start |
8245.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].end |
8248.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2385].text |
我會以謙卑專業與堅定的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].start |
8248.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].end |
8250.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2386].text |
相助院長尊重委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].start |
8250.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].end |
8251.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2387].text |
服務人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].start |
8251.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].end |
8254.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2388].text |
讓監察院與國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].start |
8254.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].end |
8256.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2389].text |
成為人民信賴社會期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].start |
8256.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].end |
8260.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2390].text |
並能夠持續推動民主深化的重要機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].start |
8260.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].end |
8261.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2391].text |
以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].start |
8261.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].end |
8263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2392].text |
敬請主席及各位委員指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].start |
8263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].end |
8264.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2393].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].start |
8265.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].end |
8265.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[2394].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].start |
8266 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].end |
8268.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[2395].text |
謝謝王貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].start |
8273.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].end |
8275.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2396].text |
現在進行委員詢問 |
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8278.79 |
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首先請王委員事間詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2398].start |
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謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].start |
8312.86 |
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8314.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[2399].text |
東東雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].start |
8316.13 |
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8319.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2400].text |
其實我個人對監察院的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[2401].start |
8319.88 |
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8322.88 |
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一直是我們民進黨從創黨以來 |
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8323.24 |
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8327.74 |
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所認為的就是要廢除監察院考試院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2403].start |
8329.58 |
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8331.08 |
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我現在這個看法沒有變 |
| transcript.whisperx[2404].start |
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8332.93 |
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但是既然 |
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8333.7 |
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8335.7 |
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我們體制上走到今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[2406].start |
8336.37 |
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8339.37 |
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監察院因為要修憲才能廢 |
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8339.37 |
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8340.87 |
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這個工程浩大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2408].start |
8340.87 |
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8343.87 |
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還沒能廢除之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2409].start |
8344.74 |
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8346.24 |
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那我們一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].start |
8346.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2410].end |
8349.63 |
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我們執政的民進黨要負起這個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2411].start |
8349.63 |
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8352.13 |
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當然就要提名監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].start |
8352.13 |
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8354.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2412].text |
監察院院長副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].start |
8354.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].end |
8358.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[2413].text |
讓體制正常的能夠來運行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2414].start |
8358.63 |
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8360.13 |
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這是對的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[2415].start |
8360.13 |
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8361.13 |
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所以在我的看法 |
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8363.48 |
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如果我不得不 |
| transcript.whisperx[2417].start |
8363.48 |
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8366.48 |
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要繼續維持監察院的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].start |
8366.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2418].end |
8372.98 |
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我認為您確實是最適合的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].start |
8372.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2419].end |
8377.48 |
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甚至您現在要被推舉為副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].start |
8377.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2420].end |
8382.48 |
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所以我以下就以副院長來對您做稱呼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2421].start |
8383.14 |
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8384.14 |
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那個王副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2422].start |
8385.18 |
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8387.18 |
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這個我很肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2423].start |
8387.18 |
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8389.18 |
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你過去長年以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].start |
8389.18 |
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8390.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[2424].text |
包括在立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].start |
8391.96 |
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8393.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2425].text |
以及現在在監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].start |
8393.96 |
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8396.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2426].text |
兼任國家人權委員一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].start |
8396.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2427].end |
8400.96 |
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就是說你長年對身障者權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].start |
8401.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].end |
8406.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2428].text |
對弱勢團體他們的權益的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].start |
8406.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].end |
8407.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2429].text |
你確實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].start |
8407.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].end |
8409.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[2430].text |
不遺餘力的在奔走 |
| transcript.whisperx[2431].start |
8409.95 |
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8413.95 |
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那也看到你做到的很多成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].start |
8414.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].end |
8418.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2432].text |
那我今天要請教你兩個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].start |
8418.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2433].end |
8421.75 |
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就是關於身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].start |
8421.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].end |
8423.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2434].text |
他們的人權保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].start |
8423.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].end |
8428.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2435].text |
如何加強身心障礙者他們的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].start |
8428.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].end |
8431.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2436].text |
因為我們知道現在有許多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].start |
8431.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2437].end |
8434.92 |
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是在法律上已經訂定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].start |
8435.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].end |
8438.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2438].text |
對於身障者他們有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].start |
8438.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].end |
8441.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2439].text |
但是實際生活上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].start |
8442.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].end |
8445.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2440].text |
卻是沒有真正落實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].start |
8445.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].end |
8446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2441].text |
比方說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].start |
8446.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].end |
8447.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2442].text |
比方說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].start |
8447.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].end |
8452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2443].text |
身心障礙者他們的自立生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].start |
8452.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].end |
8454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2444].text |
這個部分我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].start |
8454.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].end |
8456.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2445].text |
不管是長照的時數也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].start |
8457.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].end |
8460.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2446].text |
其他各方面交通的服務也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].start |
8460.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].end |
8461.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[2447].text |
我就舉例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].start |
8462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].end |
8464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2448].text |
身心障礙者自立生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].start |
8464.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].end |
8466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2449].text |
他們最需要的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].start |
8466.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].end |
8468.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[2450].text |
就學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].start |
8468.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].end |
8469.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2451].text |
就學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].start |
8470.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].end |
8471.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2452].text |
就學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].start |
8471.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].end |
8473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2453].text |
這三個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].start |
8473.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].end |
8475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2454].text |
我們並沒有增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].start |
8475.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].end |
8477.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2455].text |
在這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].start |
8477.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].end |
8480.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2456].text |
應該對他們的長照的時數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].start |
8480.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].end |
8483.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2457].text |
交通工具的時數 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].start |
8483.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].end |
8485.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2458].text |
來增加對他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].start |
8485.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].end |
8488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2459].text |
這部分權利的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].start |
8488.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].end |
8489.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2460].text |
所以這個部分我希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].start |
8490.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].end |
8494.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2461].text |
那未來你在監察院副院長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].start |
8494.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].end |
8498.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2462].text |
這個位置上能夠多多去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].start |
8498.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].end |
8500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2463].text |
去要求相關部會 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].start |
8500.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].end |
8504.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2464].text |
他們在身心障礙者自立生活上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].start |
8504.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].end |
8507.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2465].text |
給予他們這一些加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].start |
8507.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].end |
8508.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2466].text |
就是就學 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].start |
8509.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].end |
8510.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[2467].text |
就業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].start |
8510.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].end |
8513.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2468].text |
就讓身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].start |
8513.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].end |
8516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2469].text |
跟我們一般所有國民一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].start |
8516.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].end |
8518.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2470].text |
都能夠自立生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].start |
8518.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].end |
8519.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[2471].text |
第二點 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].start |
8521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].end |
8525.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[2472].text |
希望你能做到的就是數位化時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].start |
8526.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].end |
8528.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[2473].text |
這個時候的身心障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].start |
8529.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].end |
8530.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[2474].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].start |
8530.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].end |
8533.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2475].text |
那麼我們知道政府的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].start |
8535.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].end |
8537.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2476].text |
快速的數位化 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].start |
8537.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].end |
8541.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2477].text |
像線上申辦數位身份證 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].start |
8541.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].end |
8545.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2478].text |
金融服務醫療服務人工智慧的應用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].start |
8546.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].end |
8547.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2479].text |
我覺得越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].start |
8547.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].end |
8549.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2480].text |
這是好事 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].start |
8549.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].end |
8553.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2481].text |
但是當政府在快速數位化的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].start |
8553.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].end |
8554.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[2482].text |
事無 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].start |
8555.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].end |
8557.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2483].text |
都忘了生障者他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].start |
8558.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].end |
8559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2484].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].start |
8559.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].end |
8561.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2485].text |
政府在做這件事情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].start |
8561.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].end |
8562.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2486].text |
是很快速喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].start |
8563.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].end |
8566.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2487].text |
但是有很多障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].start |
8566.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].end |
8568.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2488].text |
因為他身體的障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].start |
8568.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].end |
8572.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[2489].text |
其實他沒有辦法去使用數位工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].start |
8573.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].end |
8575.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2490].text |
所以我就是希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].start |
8575.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].end |
8578.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2491].text |
那當這個快速數位化的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].start |
8578.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].end |
8581.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2492].text |
那麼因為他的障礙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].start |
8581.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].end |
8584.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2493].text |
而無法使用數位工具的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].start |
8585.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].end |
8587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2494].text |
那是不是有什麼方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].start |
8587.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].end |
8592.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[2495].text |
應該要求政府讓他們能夠取得公共服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].start |
8593.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].end |
8597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2496].text |
就是在這個數位化時代的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].start |
8597.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].end |
8599.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[2497].text |
我們身心障礙著他們的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].start |
8600.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].end |
8605.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2498].text |
這個部分我希望你有辦法能夠把它加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].start |
8605.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].end |
8608.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2499].text |
這個部分王副院長你看法呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].start |
8609.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].end |
8614.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[2500].text |
謝謝王委員的肯定指教 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].start |
8615.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].end |
8617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2501].text |
我想我非常同意就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].start |
8617.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].end |
8620.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2502].text |
在身心障礙者這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].start |
8620.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].end |
8623.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2503].text |
很多的就是說需求我們在 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].start |
8623.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].end |
8626.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2504].text |
我們的國內現行的法規裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].start |
8626.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].end |
8628.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2505].text |
有規定就是說要保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].start |
8628.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].end |
8630.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2506].text |
但是沒有辦法落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].start |
8630.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].end |
8634.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2507].text |
那我也非常同意您的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].start |
8634.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].end |
8636.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2508].text |
在這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].start |
8636.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].end |
8638.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2509].text |
那很重要的一個基本的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].start |
8638.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].end |
8640.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2510].text |
什麼樣子落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].start |
8640.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].end |
8642.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2511].text |
除了我們現有的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].start |
8642.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].end |
8644.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2512].text |
各項法律的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].start |
8644.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].end |
8646.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2513].text |
無論在人權法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].start |
8646.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].end |
8649.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2514].text |
然後或者是在我們的特教法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].start |
8649.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].end |
8652.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2515].text |
我們的就是說就業相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].start |
8652.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].end |
8656.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2516].text |
就是說法規裡面的這個部分能夠落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].start |
8656.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].end |
8658.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[2517].text |
更重要的一個部分是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].start |
8660.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].end |
8662.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2518].text |
身心障礙者權利公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].start |
8662.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].end |
8664.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2519].text |
聯合國身心障礙者權利公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].start |
8664.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].end |
8669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2520].text |
CRPD所掘式的就是說這一些的保障的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].start |
8669.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].end |
8672.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2521].text |
等等能夠在台灣能夠落地生根 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].start |
8672.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].end |
8675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2522].text |
因為我們政府其實政府在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].start |
8675.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].end |
8679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2523].text |
數位的部分是已經越做越好越做越快 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].start |
8679.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].end |
8682.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2524].text |
到時候都是數位優先 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].start |
8682.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].end |
8685.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2525].text |
甚至數位為一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].start |
8685.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].end |
8687.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2526].text |
當數位為一的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].start |
8687.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].end |
8690.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2527].text |
那麼這個有身障者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].start |
8690.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].end |
8694.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2528].text |
確實他沒有辦法使用到這些數位工具 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].start |
8694.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].end |
8695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2529].text |
所以王副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].start |
8695.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].end |
8699.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2530].text |
我希望你這一部分能夠積極具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].start |
8699.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].end |
8703.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2531].text |
在你副院長任內積極的去幫身心障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].start |
8703.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].end |
8706.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2532].text |
去爭取去保護他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].start |
8706.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].end |
8709.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2533].text |
那我只有一項跟你是截然不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].start |
8709.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].end |
8712.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2534].text |
因為你身兼國家人權委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].start |
8712.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].end |
8714.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2535].text |
那我看到你們過去的一些成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].start |
8714.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].end |
8716.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2536].text |
其實過去的一些成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].start |
8716.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].end |
8720.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2537].text |
你任內實現職業性別平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].start |
8720.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].end |
8722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2538].text |
在職場上的性別平等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].start |
8722.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].end |
8725.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[2539].text |
促進兒少人權這些都很正面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].start |
8725.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].end |
8727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2540].text |
這些都非常正面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].start |
8727.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].end |
8731.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2541].text |
但是每一年你們這些報告裡面都會扯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].start |
8731.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].end |
8735.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2542].text |
就是關於廢死廢除死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].start |
8735.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].end |
8738.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2543].text |
這一點我跟你們看法截然不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].start |
8738.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].end |
8741.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[2544].text |
那我舉一兩句我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].start |
8741.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].end |
8742.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[2545].text |
這實在是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].start |
8743.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].end |
8748.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2546].text |
你認為我們全體人民認為這有沒有道理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].start |
8748.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].end |
8754.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[2547].text |
說要廢除死刑是要維護生命權與人性尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].start |
8756.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].end |
8761.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2548].text |
廢除死刑是要維護生命權與人性尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].start |
8761.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].end |
8763.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[2549].text |
副院長我請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].start |
8763.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].end |
8769.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[2550].text |
當被害人他的生命權被加害人剝奪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].start |
8771.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].end |
8776.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2551].text |
他的人性尊嚴被加害人完全摧毀了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].start |
8776.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].end |
8780.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2552].text |
我們還在保護加害人什麼生命權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].start |
8780.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].end |
8783.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2553].text |
什麼他的生命尊嚴不是嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].start |
8783.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].end |
8787.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2554].text |
當他剝奪了別人的生命權還有生命尊嚴的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].start |
8787.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].end |
8789.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[2555].text |
他就不夠格 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].start |
8790.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].end |
8793.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[2556].text |
有生命權跟他的人性尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].start |
8794.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].end |
8795.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[2557].text |
就是這個陣燙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].start |
8801.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].end |
8802.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2558].text |
是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].start |
8802.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].end |
8803.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[2559].text |
抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].start |
8804.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].end |
8806.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2560].text |
我在七個三秒鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].start |
8812.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].end |
8813.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[2561].text |
我們要還 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].start |
8814.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].end |
8816.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[2562].text |
被害人一個公道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].start |
8816.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].end |
8819.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[2563].text |
這就是司法正義最重要的目標 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].start |
8820.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].end |
8821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[2564].text |
別拿一不小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].start |
8822.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].end |
8825.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2565].text |
為什麼古代殺人償命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].start |
8827.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].end |
8829.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2566].text |
這是天經地義的道理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].start |
8830.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].end |
8831.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[2567].text |
不是這樣嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].start |
8831.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].end |
8833.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2568].text |
什麼罪就是什麼罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].start |
8834.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].end |
8836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2569].text |
罪與罰要等量 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].start |
8836.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].end |
8839.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2570].text |
當這個罪與罰越來越加重 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].start |
8839.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].end |
8842.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[2571].text |
重道最大惡極罪無可換 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].start |
8844.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].end |
8847.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[2572].text |
都已經殺人甚至毀屍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].start |
8848.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].end |
8849.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[2573].text |
長得 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].start |
8849.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].end |
8852.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2574].text |
強姦這些惡行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].start |
8852.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].end |
8855.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2575].text |
導致加害人受害 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].start |
8855.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].end |
8857.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2576].text |
被害人受害致死的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].start |
8857.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].end |
8859.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2577].text |
這些都已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].start |
8859.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].end |
8862.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2578].text |
我們現在國內有37個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].start |
8863.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].end |
8866.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2579].text |
已經判刑確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].start |
8866.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].end |
8868.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2580].text |
都已經罪證確鑿喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].start |
8869.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].end |
8871.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[2581].text |
結果還拖在那裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].start |
8871.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].end |
8872.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2582].text |
就是因為敗 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].start |
8873.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].end |
8875.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[2583].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].start |
8874.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].end |
8876.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2584].text |
人權團體之勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].start |
8876.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].end |
8878.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[2585].text |
這些廢死團體之勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].start |
8878.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].end |
8881.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2586].text |
我在質問法務部長的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].start |
8881.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].end |
8884.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2587].text |
我看到他臉上那種很驚恐 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].start |
8884.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].end |
8886.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2588].text |
很無奈的表情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].start |
8886.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].end |
8889.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[2589].text |
我就知道他背後一定有這些壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].start |
8890.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].end |
8891.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2590].text |
所以副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].start |
8891.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].end |
8893.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2591].text |
我希望在這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].start |
8893.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].end |
8895.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2592].text |
您能夠好好思考思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].start |
8895.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].end |
8898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2593].text |
現在百分之根據你自己的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].start |
8898.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].end |
8900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2594].text |
你說百分之七十以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].start |
8900.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].end |
8902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2595].text |
我們台灣人民堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].start |
8902.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].end |
8905.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2596].text |
爭取主張廢除死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].start |
8905.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].end |
8906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2597].text |
那更新的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].start |
8906.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].end |
8908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2598].text |
法務部的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].start |
8908.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].end |
8909.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2599].text |
百分之九十一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].start |
8909.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].end |
8912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2600].text |
我們的台灣人民主張死刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].start |
8912.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].end |
8914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2601].text |
反對廢死 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].start |
8914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].end |
8915.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2602].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].start |
8915.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].end |
8917.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[2603].text |
我希望你帶回去衡量一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].start |
8933.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].end |
8935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2604].text |
謝謝王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].start |
8935.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].end |
8939.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2605].text |
下一位請翁曉玲委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].start |
8959.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].end |
8960.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2606].text |
主席好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].start |
8960.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].end |
8962.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2607].text |
在座的王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].start |
8962.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].end |
8966.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[2608].text |
被提名為副院長候選人的王委員您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].start |
8967.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].end |
8968.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2609].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].start |
8968.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].end |
8971.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2610].text |
首先我想跟王委員表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].start |
8971.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].end |
8974.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2611].text |
我看到這一次賴靜德總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].start |
8974.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].end |
8977.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2612].text |
他提名的監委的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].start |
8977.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].end |
8978.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2613].text |
坦白說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].start |
8978.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].end |
8980.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2614].text |
我看到您和另外六位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].start |
8980.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].end |
8983.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2615].text |
繼續被賴總統提名留任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].start |
8983.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].end |
8986.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2616].text |
我感到還蠻驚訝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].start |
8986.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].end |
8989.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2617].text |
因為第六屆監察委員的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].start |
8989.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].end |
8991.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2618].text |
可以說是差強人意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].start |
8991.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].end |
8992.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2619].text |
不僅是辦案績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].start |
8992.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].end |
8995.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2620].text |
還有在監委的自律方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].start |
8995.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].end |
8997.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2621].text |
都出了很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].start |
8997.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].end |
8998.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2622].text |
狀況連連 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].start |
8998.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].end |
9002.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2623].text |
但是賴靜德總統還是繼續提名了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].start |
9002.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].end |
9005.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2624].text |
在第六屆包含您在內的七名委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].start |
9005.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].end |
9007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2625].text |
繼續留任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].start |
9007.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].end |
9009.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2626].text |
近期有一篇媒體報導說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].start |
9009.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].end |
9014.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2627].text |
其實王委員您在監察院的監察績效 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].start |
9014.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].end |
9019.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2628].text |
是位居第六屆監委的最後一名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].start |
9019.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].end |
9023.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2629].text |
您的調查案件數量是全院倒數第一 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].start |
9023.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].end |
9025.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2630].text |
只有六年當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].start |
9025.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].end |
9028.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2631].text |
只有參與25間的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].start |
9028.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].end |
9032.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2632].text |
比倒數第二名的監察委員的76件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].start |
9032.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].end |
9034.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2633].text |
就相差了50件以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].start |
9034.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].end |
9036.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2634].text |
您做成的彈劾案也只有一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].start |
9036.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].end |
9037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2635].text |
糾成案只有六件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].start |
9037.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].end |
9039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2636].text |
甚至有半年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].start |
9039.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].end |
9042.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2637].text |
是根本沒有處理過任何一個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].start |
9042.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].end |
9045.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2638].text |
當然您還因為公務車的使用的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].start |
9045.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].end |
9049.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2639].text |
後來還被監察院有要求要促及注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].start |
9049.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].end |
9051.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2640].text |
所以我想是不是可以請王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].start |
9051.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].end |
9053.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[2641].text |
王委員您可以告訴我們為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].start |
9054.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].end |
9060.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2642].text |
您的調查案件數字這麼低的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].start |
9060.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].end |
9063.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2643].text |
還有您對於公務車使用的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].start |
9063.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].end |
9064.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2644].text |
您有沒有什麼話要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].start |
9065.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].end |
9069.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2645].text |
謝謝王委員的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].start |
9069.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].end |
9071.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2646].text |
在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].start |
9071.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].end |
9075.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2647].text |
我想我在回答我們國民黨團所提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].start |
9075.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].end |
9077.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2648].text |
書面詢問的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].start |
9077.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].end |
9079.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2649].text |
有做了回答剛剛的口頭報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].start |
9079.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].end |
9081.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2650].text |
我也簡單的做了說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].start |
9081.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].end |
9083.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2651].text |
簡單的講就是說兩個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].start |
9083.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].end |
9087.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2652].text |
第一個是針對調查案件數量的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].start |
9087.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].end |
9090.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2653].text |
確實就是說在這六年裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].start |
9090.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].end |
9095.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2654].text |
所以為一共數字上面的話是31件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].start |
9095.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].end |
9097.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2655].text |
31件的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].start |
9097.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].end |
9100.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2656].text |
當然也同樣的就是您剛剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].start |
9100.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].end |
9104.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2657].text |
在所有的委員裡面的話是最少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].start |
9104.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].end |
9106.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2658].text |
為什麼會這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].start |
9106.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].end |
9108.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2659].text |
最主要的情況跟原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].start |
9108.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].end |
9114.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2660].text |
我希望就是說在人權委員的這一個部分的工作上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].start |
9114.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].end |
9116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2661].text |
能夠符合巴黎原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].start |
9116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].end |
9121.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2662].text |
要求就是說人權委員必須是專職 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].start |
9121.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].end |
9124.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2663].text |
所以當然我們知道就是說總統的提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].start |
9124.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].end |
9129.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2664].text |
我們是監察委員兼國家人權委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].start |
9129.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].end |
9131.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2665].text |
在這樣的情況裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].start |
9131.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].end |
9134.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2666].text |
我低度的參與監察調查的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].start |
9134.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].end |
9139.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2667].text |
我把主要的行李跟工作時間放在人權委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].start |
9139.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].end |
9140.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2668].text |
那對於您在公務車使用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].start |
9140.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].end |
9141.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2669].text |
是不是可以講一下為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].start |
9141.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].end |
9142.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2670].text |
公務車的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].start |
9142.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].end |
9145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2671].text |
您覺得這個監察院所做出的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].start |
9145.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].end |
9147.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2672].text |
只是促其注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].start |
9147.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].end |
9149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2673].text |
請你們要注意這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].start |
9149.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].end |
9152.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2674].text |
那對於像是前秘書長李俊毅 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].start |
9152.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].end |
9155.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2675].text |
他拍拍屁股辭職之後就毫不追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].start |
9155.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].end |
9158.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[2676].text |
您對於像這樣子的做法您認同嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].start |
9160.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].end |
9163.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2677].text |
好 我先說明一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].start |
9163.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].end |
9165.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2678].text |
就是說我們的公務車使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].start |
9165.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].end |
9169.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2679].text |
跟立法院立法委員的公務車使用是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].start |
9169.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].end |
9174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2680].text |
從我能夠有限的收集到107年到114年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].start |
9174.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].end |
9176.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2681].text |
也就是到去年為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].start |
9176.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].end |
9179.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2682].text |
立法院通過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].start |
9179.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].end |
9181.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2683].text |
我們的就是說公務車的使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].start |
9181.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].end |
9185.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2684].text |
在這一個部分預算審查通過的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].start |
9185.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].end |
9187.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2685].text |
都是首長坐車 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].start |
9187.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].end |
9190.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2686].text |
那就是說我想我之所以沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].start |
9190.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].end |
9193.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2687].text |
跟在擔任立法委員的時候一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].start |
9193.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].end |
9197.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2688].text |
所使用院內的理髮部 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].start |
9197.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].end |
9200.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2689].text |
主要的原因是因為監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].start |
9200.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].end |
9201.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2690].text |
我想這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].start |
9201.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].end |
9203.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2691].text |
這個委員我想一個時間我有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].start |
9203.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].end |
9206.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2692].text |
我只是要講就是說其實就連監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].start |
9206.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].end |
9208.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2693].text |
也都認為說你們這樣子的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].start |
9208.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].end |
9210.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2694].text |
濫用公務車的行為是不當的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].start |
9210.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].end |
9213.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2695].text |
那我要講就是我們如果看看 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].start |
9213.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].end |
9216.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2696].text |
在過去如果說有其他的政府機關的官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].start |
9216.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].end |
9219.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2697].text |
因為濫用公務車都有可能會被判刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].start |
9219.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].end |
9221.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2698].text |
然後被懲處被彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].start |
9221.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].end |
9224.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2699].text |
對這種案例是非常之多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].start |
9224.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].end |
9227.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2700].text |
但是我們相對看看我們監察委員對自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].start |
9227.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].end |
9231.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2701].text |
則是非常的這個寬容寬待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].start |
9231.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].end |
9233.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2702].text |
那麼只是促其注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].start |
9233.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].end |
9237.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2703].text |
那甚至對於這個監察院前秘書長李俊義的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].start |
9237.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].end |
9240.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2704].text |
這樣子一個帶狗去美容的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].start |
9240.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].end |
9242.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2705].text |
送狗去美容的這樣的一個行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].start |
9242.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].end |
9243.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2706].text |
到目前為止都沒有追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].start |
9243.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].end |
9246.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2707].text |
所以本席認為說難怪就是大家會對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].start |
9246.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].end |
9249.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2708].text |
就是監察委員的這樣的一個自律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].start |
9249.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].end |
9251.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2709].text |
是很無法信任的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].start |
9251.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].end |
9254.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2710].text |
更何況您剛剛講的有關於調查的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].start |
9254.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].end |
9256.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2711].text |
就是您的這個調查案件的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].start |
9256.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].end |
9258.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2712].text |
我覺得這不能說是因為您擔任 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].start |
9258.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].end |
9260.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2713].text |
國家人權委員會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].start |
9260.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].end |
9261.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2714].text |
然後就有這樣的藉口 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].start |
9261.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].end |
9263.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2715].text |
因為畢竟還有其他的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].start |
9263.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].end |
9265.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2716].text |
也是擔任國家人權委員會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].start |
9265.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].end |
9268.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2717].text |
我想就這個部分來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].start |
9268.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].end |
9271.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2718].text |
假設您有幸在被提名為 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].start |
9271.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].end |
9273.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2719].text |
擔任這個監察院副院長的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].start |
9273.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].end |
9275.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2720].text |
我認為說這部分一定要改善的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].start |
9275.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].end |
9279.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2721].text |
那當然就是說對像對於這個陳菊院長這種請閉假 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].start |
9279.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].end |
9281.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2722].text |
不上班超過一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].start |
9281.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].end |
9283.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2723].text |
花費公務事務書餐的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].start |
9283.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].end |
9285.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[2724].text |
您是否認同陳菊這樣的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].start |
9287.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].end |
9291.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2725].text |
陳菊院長在這一個部分的請假 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].start |
9291.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].end |
9295.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2726].text |
她因為她的身體狀況跟我提請假的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].start |
9295.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].end |
9297.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2727].text |
但是一年超過一年不上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].start |
9297.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].end |
9299.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2728].text |
你用同這樣的做法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].start |
9299.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].end |
9303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2729].text |
您是不是認為說其實連政務人員請假都應該要規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].start |
9303.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].end |
9306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2730].text |
如何我們居於公務人員並駕的就是說相關的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].start |
9306.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].end |
9309.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2731].text |
這是合法合規的就是說的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].start |
9309.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].end |
9312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2732].text |
至於就是說不應該我想社會有公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].start |
9312.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].end |
9315.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2733].text |
然後在這個部分來說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].start |
9315.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].end |
9319.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2734].text |
我想大家社會上面都有公平確實是沒錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].start |
9319.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].end |
9322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2735].text |
大家都認為說作為一個高官一個政務高官 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].start |
9322.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].end |
9325.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2736].text |
然後竟然可以一年半不上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].start |
9325.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].end |
9328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2737].text |
那麼這個施慰素餐的這樣表現其實大家不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].start |
9328.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].end |
9331.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2738].text |
接下來我們再請教王委員就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].start |
9331.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].end |
9334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2739].text |
因為這屆的監察委員給國人的印象就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].start |
9334.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].end |
9336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2740].text |
都是辦一些雞毛蒜皮的小案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].start |
9336.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].end |
9339.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2741].text |
譬如說去查這個蘿蔔糕裡面有沒有蘿蔔 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].start |
9339.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].end |
9341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2742].text |
而不去查那些眾所矚目的大案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].start |
9341.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].end |
9343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2743].text |
像是這個雞蛋的弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].start |
9343.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].end |
9346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2744].text |
疫苗的弊案新竹棒球場的弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].start |
9346.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].end |
9349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2745].text |
甚至就是連最近這兩年像竹榮泰 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].start |
9349.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].end |
9354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2746].text |
賴清德大法官他們根本就是明顯公然的違法違釋的行徑 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].start |
9354.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].end |
9358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2747].text |
然後做出了中華民國行線以來從來沒有過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].start |
9358.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].end |
9361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2748].text |
這個行政院長可以不附屬法律可以不依法編列預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].start |
9361.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].end |
9363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2749].text |
大法官可以做成五人判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].start |
9363.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].end |
9365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2750].text |
賴清德可以不公布法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].start |
9365.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].end |
9367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2751].text |
像這樣子的一個大案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].start |
9367.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].end |
9369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2752].text |
結果屆然監察院不穩不穩 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].start |
9369.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].end |
9375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2753].text |
難怪被人家大家批評說監察院是只打蒼蠅不敢打老虎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].start |
9375.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].end |
9378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2754].text |
那本席要說的是其實這一屆的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].start |
9378.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].end |
9383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2755].text |
讓大家看到的就是基本上已經不是玉石大夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].start |
9383.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].end |
9386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2756].text |
而更像是綠色政權的保衛隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].start |
9386.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].end |
9391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2757].text |
那王委員我想這個因為本席基本上之前有提出陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].start |
9391.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].end |
9396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2758].text |
針對竹榮泰的違法失職不附屬法律不依法編列預算有提出陳情案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].start |
9396.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].end |
9401.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2759].text |
那麼沒想到這個我們在你們卸任的最後一天我收到監察院給我的回文 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].start |
9401.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].end |
9403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2760].text |
那上面非常非常簡單 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].start |
9403.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].end |
9404.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[2761].text |
然後只是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].start |
9405.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].end |
9410.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2762].text |
這個案經本院司法及御政委員會議決議就不予立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].start |
9410.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].end |
9413.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2763].text |
那隨著這份公文又附上五頁的會議記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].start |
9413.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].end |
9417.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2764].text |
而且五頁會議記錄沒有任何的會議理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].start |
9417.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].end |
9420.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2765].text |
所以也就是說我看到這份公文坦白說我很傻眼 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].start |
9420.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].end |
9424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2766].text |
為什麼因為即便是一般人民的申請書 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].start |
9424.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].end |
9427.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2767].text |
訴願書陳述書被駁回或是不予受理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].start |
9427.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].end |
9429.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2768].text |
他都還會有理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].start |
9429.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].end |
9432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2769].text |
還會有一個依據什麼法律的這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].start |
9432.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].end |
9435.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2770].text |
所以不予受理或者是被駁回 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].start |
9435.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].end |
9439.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2771].text |
可是沒想到監察院的這紙公文卻是這麼的粗糙 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].start |
9439.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].end |
9440.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2772].text |
這麼的草率 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].start |
9440.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].end |
9443.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2773].text |
這是監察院的作風嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].start |
9443.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].end |
9445.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2774].text |
與回文的內容的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].start |
9445.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].end |
9447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2775].text |
我同意文委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].start |
9447.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].end |
9451.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2776].text |
在這個部分的話我們應該更詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].start |
9451.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].end |
9456.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[2777].text |
那這個部分的話是監察院應該在未來改善的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].start |
9457.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].end |
9461.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2778].text |
至於就是對於不付主的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].start |
9461.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].end |
9465.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2779].text |
到底就是說是憲法賦予行政院長的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].start |
9465.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].end |
9467.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2780].text |
不是卓榮泰先生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].start |
9467.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].end |
9470.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2781].text |
我知道因為這個我看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].start |
9470.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].end |
9474.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2782].text |
王委員您在回覆國民黨的問卷裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].start |
9474.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].end |
9476.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2783].text |
其實請聽我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].start |
9476.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].end |
9477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2784].text |
我是由我們來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].start |
9477.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].end |
9480.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2785].text |
是由監察委員來做決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].start |
9480.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].end |
9481.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2786].text |
也不是監察院決定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].start |
9481.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].end |
9484.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2787].text |
我要再講就是我看了王委員您回覆給國民黨的問卷裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].start |
9484.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].end |
9485.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2788].text |
其實對於很多的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].start |
9485.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].end |
9488.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2789].text |
像是行政院長不附屬法律的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].start |
9488.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].end |
9492.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2790].text |
或是大法官為什麼我可以做成五人違憲的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].start |
9492.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].end |
9494.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2791].text |
甚至對於像陸配參政這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].start |
9494.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].end |
9497.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2792].text |
您基本上的回答都是千篇一律 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].start |
9497.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].end |
9499.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2793].text |
這都是跟監察院的職權無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].start |
9499.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].end |
9502.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2794].text |
你們不應該先行做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].start |
9502.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].end |
9505.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2795].text |
應該要尊重其他的這個機關的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].start |
9505.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].end |
9508.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2796].text |
譬如說應該先透過憲法爭議或行政訴訟爭議去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].start |
9508.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].end |
9512.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2797].text |
那其實這樣子的一個想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].start |
9512.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].end |
9515.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2798].text |
這樣的一個做法表態 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].start |
9515.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].end |
9517.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2799].text |
難怪大家會譏笑這個監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].start |
9517.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].end |
9523.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2800].text |
你們是不是就是基本上只會查像是蘿蔔糕的這種小案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].start |
9523.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].end |
9526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2801].text |
那如果說你們這一群委員又再繼續留任了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].start |
9526.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].end |
9530.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2802].text |
那未來是不是除了繼續查這個類似像蘿蔔糕的小案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].start |
9530.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].end |
9533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2803].text |
你們就可以再去查太陽餅有沒有太陽 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].start |
9533.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].end |
9536.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2804].text |
牛舌餅有沒有牛舌老婆餅裡面有沒有老婆 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].start |
9536.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].end |
9538.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2805].text |
就是查這些案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].start |
9538.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].end |
9541.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2806].text |
這基本上對於人民來講沒有感 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].start |
9541.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].end |
9548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2807].text |
我要講的是其實在民國46年當時的監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].start |
9548.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].end |
9552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2808].text |
在建言時代都還可以彈劾行政院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].start |
9552.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].end |
9556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2809].text |
可是我沒有看到這一屆的監察院可以去彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].start |
9556.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].end |
9559.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2810].text |
有這個勇氣去彈劾任何的政府高官 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].start |
9559.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].end |
9564.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[2811].text |
也難怪就是這個監察院被大家介紹成為成功院或者是養老 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].start |
9567.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].end |
9568.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2812].text |
謝謝翁美雲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].start |
9569.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].end |
9572.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2813].text |
下一位請蘇巧惠委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].start |
9593.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].end |
9595.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[2814].text |
好 謝謝主席我們請王貝提名人號 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].start |
9596.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].end |
9597.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[2815].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].start |
9597.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].end |
9599.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2816].text |
好 那王貝提名人您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].start |
9599.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].end |
9603.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2817].text |
我想我先從您剛剛提出的口頭報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].start |
9603.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].end |
9606.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2818].text |
您上面很清楚的一開始就寫到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].start |
9606.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].end |
9610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2819].text |
監察院是目前憲政體制中重要的監督機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].start |
9610.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].end |
9613.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2820].text |
肩負糾正行政失衡保障人民權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].start |
9613.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].end |
9617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2821].text |
促進聯能治理與深化人權價值的使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].start |
9617.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].end |
9619.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2822].text |
所以我想先請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].start |
9619.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].end |
9623.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[2823].text |
在我們這樣第六屆就是您擔任過監察委員的這一屆當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].start |
9623.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].end |
9625.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2824].text |
整整六年的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].start |
9625.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].end |
9627.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2825].text |
在人民懲刑案件彈劾案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].start |
9627.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].end |
9629.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2826].text |
糾正案件調查報告的部分成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].start |
9629.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].end |
9630.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2827].text |
有哪一些成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].start |
9630.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].end |
9631.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2828].text |
你認為有成果嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].start |
9631.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].end |
9633.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[2829].text |
因為剛剛被講的一文不值嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].start |
9634.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].end |
9636.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2830].text |
我想這幾個部分來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].start |
9636.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].end |
9642.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2831].text |
第一個部分的話是民眾懲刑的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].start |
9642.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].end |
9650.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2832].text |
也就是說我們在這個裡面我們的糾正糾舉彈劾等等的就是說這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].start |
9650.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].end |
9652.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2833].text |
事實上並不如外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].start |
9652.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].end |
9660.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2834].text |
剛剛院長被提名人在口頭報告乃至於回答委員的問裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].start |
9660.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].end |
9662.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2835].text |
都有就是說表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].start |
9662.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].end |
9668.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2836].text |
裡面有很多的就是說情況跟我們的就是說作為乃至於績效的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].start |
9668.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].end |
9671.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2837].text |
外界說沒有辦法完全的知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].start |
9671.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].end |
9677.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2838].text |
那我想這個是監察院應該要做的就是說改進跟進步調整的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].start |
9677.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].end |
9679.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2839].text |
我想就是說案件的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].start |
9679.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].end |
9683.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2840].text |
我們對於高階的文官的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].start |
9683.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].end |
9686.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2841].text |
我們的彈劾案件的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].start |
9686.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].end |
9688.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2842].text |
事實上有125件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].start |
9688.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].end |
9690.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2843].text |
到去年底為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].start |
9690.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].end |
9692.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2844].text |
這個部分的話我還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].start |
9692.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].end |
9696.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2845].text |
監察院還沒有就是說相關的統計報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].start |
9696.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].end |
9700.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2846].text |
在這裡面的話涉及的人數有205人 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].start |
9700.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].end |
9704.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2847].text |
我們在就是說裁罰包括陽光司法的裁罰案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].start |
9704.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].end |
9706.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[2848].text |
一共就是有600件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].start |
9708.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].end |
9710.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2849].text |
那在這樣子的就是說情況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].start |
9710.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].end |
9712.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2850].text |
從數量上面來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].start |
9712.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].end |
9716.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2851].text |
然後還有彈劾的就是說未接我們到政務委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].start |
9716.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].end |
9719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2852].text |
等等就是說這一些的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].start |
9719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].end |
9722.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2853].text |
那糾正的這一個機關的這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].start |
9722.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].end |
9726.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2854].text |
我們也達到就是說在韓國改正糾正的的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].start |
9726.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].end |
9728.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[2855].text |
就是說有1600多件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].start |
9729.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].end |
9732.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2856].text |
所以從數量上來講其實是相當的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].start |
9732.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].end |
9736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2857].text |
因為我這個我從看到你們的概況統計上面來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].start |
9736.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].end |
9738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2858].text |
一直到2016年的6月的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].start |
9738.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].end |
9742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2859].text |
你們搜索人民書狀是有甚至9萬1000件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].start |
9742.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].end |
9745.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2860].text |
那彈劾案件糾正案件就如同您剛剛說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].start |
9745.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].end |
9748.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2861].text |
事實上數量是蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].start |
9748.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].end |
9750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2862].text |
那在案件的本身當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].start |
9750.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].end |
9753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2863].text |
不管是曾經說到了政務委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].start |
9753.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].end |
9754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2864].text |
或者類型的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].start |
9754.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].end |
9757.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2865].text |
也是有各種各式各樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].start |
9757.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].end |
9760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2866].text |
我坦白講我的立場其實還是是一致的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].start |
9760.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].end |
9763.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2867].text |
跟我們的立場過去長期一貫主張是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].start |
9763.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].end |
9768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2868].text |
我們認為其實不需要有監察院跟考試院 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].start |
9768.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].end |
9773.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2869].text |
但是我們是就憲政體制五權或三權的分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].start |
9773.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].end |
9775.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2870].text |
在做討論在做爭辯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].start |
9775.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].end |
9780.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2871].text |
但對於這一些調查的部分彈劾的部分等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].start |
9780.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].end |
9783.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2872].text |
這一些事務要不要有人來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].start |
9783.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].end |
9787.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2873].text |
是不是要能夠接受人民的懲情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].start |
9787.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].end |
9790.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2874].text |
以至於能夠促進聯能治理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].start |
9790.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].end |
9793.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2875].text |
糾正行政失衡等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].start |
9793.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].end |
9796.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2876].text |
這些項目我還是認為應該要有人做 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].start |
9796.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].end |
9800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2877].text |
所以我們是對憲政體制有不同的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].start |
9800.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].end |
9803.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2878].text |
有不同的看法到底五權還是三權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].start |
9803.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].end |
9806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2879].text |
所以我們主張三權的認為要廢考監 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].start |
9806.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].end |
9808.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2880].text |
這個我的立場始終一貫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].start |
9808.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].end |
9811.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2881].text |
但我也主張在現在國家體制還沒有變更之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].start |
9811.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].end |
9815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2882].text |
確實我們就是讓監察院要能夠擔負這樣的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].start |
9815.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].end |
9818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2883].text |
所以今天在這裡跟您就教的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].start |
9818.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].end |
9822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2884].text |
其實我也是認為以王備提名為您過去的資歷等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].start |
9822.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].end |
9825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2885].text |
我相信如果能夠順利通過提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].start |
9825.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].end |
9830.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2886].text |
一定能夠讓這一屆的監察院能夠再有所施展 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].start |
9830.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].end |
9833.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2887].text |
並且著重我個人期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].start |
9833.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].end |
9836.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2888].text |
我最期待的部分其實是您也提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].start |
9836.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].end |
9839.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2889].text |
從個案的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].start |
9839.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].end |
9842.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2890].text |
一直到變成是整體制度的完善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].start |
9842.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].end |
9846.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2891].text |
這個部分我其實是最希望監察院能夠完成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].start |
9846.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].end |
9848.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2892].text |
因為一旦能夠完成個案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].start |
9848.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].end |
9850.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2893].text |
變成是整體通案的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].start |
9850.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].end |
9854.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2894].text |
其實您剛剛說的糾正行政失衡到保障人品權 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].start |
9854.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].end |
9856.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2895].text |
所有的都包括了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].start |
9856.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].end |
9859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2896].text |
我們在地方上面碰到的一個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].start |
9859.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].end |
9862.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2897].text |
因為剛好跟您個人跟監察委員王榮章委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].start |
9862.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].end |
9864.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2898].text |
其實是有關聯性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].start |
9864.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].end |
9866.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[2899].text |
那就是在英哥國中發生的一個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].start |
9867.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].end |
9869.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2900].text |
英哥國中大家可能不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].start |
9869.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].end |
9873.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2901].text |
因為他的校舍是分期分階段建置的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].start |
9873.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].end |
9878.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2902].text |
所以每一個每一棟的樓層高低其實不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].start |
9878.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].end |
9881.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2903].text |
所以棟和棟之間最後雖然相連了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].start |
9881.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].end |
9883.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2904].text |
但是落差很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].start |
9883.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].end |
9887.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2905].text |
所以如果是身障者的學生的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].start |
9887.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].end |
9893.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2906].text |
其實是沒有辦法在棟和棟之間直接安全的順暢的行走 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].start |
9893.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].end |
9898.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2907].text |
所以變成學生他甚至沒有辦法在高樓層上課之餘 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].start |
9898.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].end |
9901.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2908].text |
他也沒有辦法移動到其他的科任教室去 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].start |
9901.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].end |
9906.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2909].text |
所以我們長期在爭取幫英哥國中配置無障礙電梯 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].start |
9906.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].end |
9909.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2910].text |
那我們也很高興在2022年3月的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].start |
9909.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].end |
9910.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2911].text |
教育部核可了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].start |
9910.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].end |
9912.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2912].text |
可是在核可三個月之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].start |
9912.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].end |
9916.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2913].text |
我們發現有一個單位也做了同樣的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].start |
9916.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2914].end |
9919.35 |
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那個調查其實就是來自於監察委員王榮章 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].start |
9919.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].end |
9922.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2915].text |
王委員您不但做了調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].start |
9922.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].end |
9924.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2916].text |
而且您把我們從英哥國中的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].start |
9924.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].end |
9929.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2917].text |
甚至最後推行到要求教育部要整體的實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].start |
9929.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].end |
9930.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2918].text |
這樣子的細部規程 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].start |
9930.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].end |
9934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2919].text |
委員可以請你跟我們分享一下當時你的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].start |
9934.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].end |
9937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2920].text |
還有未來如果已您通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].start |
9937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].end |
9939.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2921].text |
可以再度成為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].start |
9939.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].end |
9940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2922].text |
甚至是副院長的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].start |
9940.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].end |
9942.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2923].text |
從個案的調查到制度改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].start |
9942.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].end |
9944.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[2924].text |
你會做怎麼樣的改進或推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].start |
9945.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].end |
9948.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2925].text |
我們從我個人從媒體的這個部分看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].start |
9948.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].end |
9952.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2926].text |
英哥國中因為學校的無障礙不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].start |
9952.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].end |
9955.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2927].text |
然後在這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].start |
9955.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].end |
9959.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2928].text |
對於障礙學生入學在這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].start |
9959.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].end |
9961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2929].text |
有所推遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].start |
9961.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].end |
9964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2930].text |
所以我立案調查了這一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].start |
9964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].end |
9967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2931].text |
這個案件裡面就是說發現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].start |
9967.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].end |
9969.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2932].text |
我們過去在於無障礙的 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].start |
9969.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].end |
9970.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2933].text |
這是學生跟你陳情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].start |
9970.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].end |
9972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2934].text |
是就是說在這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].start |
9972.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].end |
9976.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2935].text |
我們也就是說主動跟當時的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].start |
9976.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].end |
9979.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2936].text |
然後跟家長來做聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].start |
9979.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].end |
9981.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2937].text |
在這裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].start |
9981.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].end |
9985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2938].text |
我們也看到過去的很多的無障礙環境的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].start |
9985.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].end |
9987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2939].text |
是單獨的一棟校舍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].start |
9987.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].end |
9989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2940].text |
單獨的校舍 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].start |
9989.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].end |
9991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2941].text |
單獨的理堂 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].start |
9991.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].end |
9992.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2942].text |
單獨的德國 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].start |
9992.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].end |
9995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2943].text |
但在中間能不能夠連貫 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].start |
9995.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].end |
9997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2944].text |
在這個部分沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].start |
9997.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].end |
10001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2945].text |
所以我們經過這個個案的要求之後的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].start |
10001.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].end |
10005.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2946].text |
然後要求教育部來做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].start |
10005.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].end |
10008.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2947].text |
教育部也藉由這樣子的一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].start |
10008.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].end |
10010.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2948].text |
等等的就是說檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].start |
10010.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].end |
10013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2949].text |
在經費的這個部分的話做管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].start |
10013.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].end |
10017.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2950].text |
特別就是說在發布改善的指引 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].start |
10017.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].end |
10020.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2951].text |
在高中以下的就是說校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].start |
10020.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].end |
10022.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2952].text |
無障礙的這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].start |
10022.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].end |
10024.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2953].text |
同時更重要的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].start |
10024.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].end |
10029.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2954].text |
必須配合不同學齡階段的障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].start |
10029.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].end |
10031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2955].text |
他的體型跟身高 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].start |
10031.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].end |
10034.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2956].text |
因為在這個過程裡面我們也發現到 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].start |
10034.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].end |
10037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2957].text |
學校裡面好不容易無障礙廁所做好了之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].start |
10037.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].end |
10040.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2958].text |
但是他是國小高年級的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].start |
10040.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].end |
10042.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2959].text |
按照一般成年的就是說標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].start |
10042.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].end |
10045.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2960].text |
做好了的廁所他沒有辦法使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].start |
10045.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].end |
10047.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2961].text |
在這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].start |
10047.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].end |
10049.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2962].text |
我們也在中央巡查的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].start |
10049.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].end |
10053.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2963].text |
尤其是我們蘇貞昌前院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].start |
10053.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].end |
10057.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2964].text |
只是要求就是說做全國性的就是說檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].start |
10057.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].end |
10060.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2965].text |
在這個部分的話根據不同年級 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].start |
10060.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].end |
10065.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2966].text |
應該要有不同設施的標準等等來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].start |
10065.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].end |
10068.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2967].text |
我們也看到教育部做這樣子的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].start |
10068.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].end |
10071.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2968].text |
是所以我其實是從這件個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].start |
10071.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].end |
10074.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2969].text |
因為當時我確實是身為區域的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].start |
10074.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].end |
10077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2970].text |
我們看重的就是把這棟學校這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].start |
10077.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].end |
10079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2971].text |
這個學生的問題解決掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].start |
10079.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].end |
10081.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2972].text |
那當然我們也可以繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].start |
10081.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].end |
10083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2973].text |
但是你快我們一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].start |
10083.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].end |
10086.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2974].text |
你確實是提出了整體的這樣子的要求之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].start |
10086.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].end |
10089.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2975].text |
教育部在2024年完成了全國性的校園 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].start |
10089.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].end |
10091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2976].text |
無障礙設施盤點作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].start |
10091.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].end |
10094.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2977].text |
那我想現在這個部分我們不但編列預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].start |
10094.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].end |
10096.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2978].text |
也跟地方政府來合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].start |
10096.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].end |
10098.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2979].text |
改善校園的無障礙設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].start |
10098.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].end |
10102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2980].text |
我想這確實就是有成績的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].start |
10102.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].end |
10104.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2981].text |
所以我們是很希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].start |
10104.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].end |
10108.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2982].text |
如果監察院在現在國家體制沒有調整之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].start |
10108.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].end |
10111.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2983].text |
那麼他還是應該要能夠接受人民的陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].start |
10111.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].end |
10113.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2984].text |
然後去糾正行政的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].start |
10113.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].end |
10115.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2985].text |
把這一塊的工作端附起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].start |
10115.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].end |
10118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2986].text |
最好還能夠促成像這樣的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].start |
10118.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].end |
10120.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2987].text |
變成是有制度性的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].start |
10120.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].end |
10122.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2988].text |
這是我們對監察院的期許 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].start |
10122.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].end |
10124.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2989].text |
那再來的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].start |
10124.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].end |
10125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2990].text |
也是希望這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].start |
10125.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].end |
10128.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2991].text |
因為王委員你這邊比較特別的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].start |
10128.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].end |
10133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2992].text |
大家都知道您在人權委員會之間的貢獻著力是相當的深厚 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].start |
10133.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].end |
10135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2993].text |
所以你可不可以再跟我們說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].start |
10135.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].end |
10137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2994].text |
如果是未來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].start |
10137.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].end |
10141.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2995].text |
未來您在監察院和人權會之間的工作分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].start |
10141.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].end |
10144.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[2996].text |
這個專注力會是一個什麼樣的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].start |
10144.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].end |
10150.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2997].text |
監察院在這一次的委員提名的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].start |
10150.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].end |
10152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2998].text |
一共27名委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].start |
10152.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].end |
10154.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[2999].text |
在人權會的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].start |
10154.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].end |
10158.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3000].text |
包括院長當然主任委員之外的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].start |
10158.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].end |
10160.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3001].text |
一共有10名的就職委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].start |
10160.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].end |
10164.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3002].text |
特別站在巴黎原則的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].start |
10164.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].end |
10170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3003].text |
要求我們的人權委員應該是專職工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].start |
10170.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].end |
10176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3004].text |
所以我想我會繼續秉持在上一屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].start |
10176.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].end |
10178.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3005].text |
上一屆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].start |
10178.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].end |
10180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3006].text |
在人權事務的關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].start |
10180.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].end |
10182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3007].text |
我會投入最多的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].start |
10182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].end |
10184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3008].text |
會在人權事務的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].start |
10184.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].end |
10190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3009].text |
那對於就是說當然就是法律授予我們的權利或者是責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].start |
10190.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].end |
10192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3010].text |
也包含監察委員的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].start |
10192.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].end |
10196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3011].text |
那我在適度的來做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].start |
10196.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].end |
10198.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[3012].text |
那這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].start |
10209.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].end |
10211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3013].text |
好謝謝蘇委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].start |
10211.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].end |
10213.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3014].text |
現在請林佩祥委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].start |
10223.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].end |
10228.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3015].text |
好謝謝主席還有我們在場的同仁跟我們王榮章先生 |
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10228.94 |
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10231.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3016].text |
今天審查王榮章先生的資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].start |
10231.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].end |
10233.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3017].text |
我想跟其他的提名人有一點不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].start |
10233.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].end |
10236.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3018].text |
因為您不是第一次來監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].start |
10236.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].end |
10238.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3019].text |
您長期投入社會運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].start |
10238.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].end |
10240.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3020].text |
當過民進黨的部分區立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].start |
10240.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].end |
10243.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3021].text |
而且已經當了六年的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].start |
10243.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].end |
10245.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3022].text |
今天總統再次提名您 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].start |
10245.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].end |
10247.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3023].text |
而且不是續聘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].start |
10247.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].end |
10250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3024].text |
是準備升官當副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].start |
10250.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].end |
10254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3025].text |
所以今天我們不能只看說您的履歷漂不漂亮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].start |
10254.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].end |
10256.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3026].text |
而是要看您的程序單合不合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].start |
10258.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].end |
10260.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3027].text |
那我就要從幾個大方向來請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].start |
10261.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].end |
10264.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3028].text |
王先生您長期投入社會運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].start |
10264.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].end |
10268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3029].text |
關心財稅改革身心障礙者的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].start |
10268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].end |
10270.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3030].text |
我在這邊必須要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].start |
10270.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].end |
10272.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3031].text |
這些經歷都值得大家的尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].start |
10272.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].end |
10275.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3032].text |
民主社會需要有人幫弱勢發聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].start |
10275.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].end |
10277.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3033].text |
也需要不同立場的倡議者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].start |
10278.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].end |
10279.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3034].text |
但是問題來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].start |
10279.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].end |
10281.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3035].text |
社會運動者可以選邊站 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].start |
10281.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].end |
10283.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3036].text |
監察委員不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].start |
10283.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].end |
10287.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3037].text |
社會運動作者可以為了特定的理念衝鋒憲政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].start |
10287.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].end |
10291.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3038].text |
但是監察委員手上拿的是國家的監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].start |
10291.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].end |
10295.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3039].text |
必須要依照憲法、法律跟市政來辦事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].start |
10295.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].end |
10297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3040].text |
所以我想先請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].start |
10297.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].end |
10299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3041].text |
您自己認為過去六年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].start |
10299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].end |
10304.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3042].text |
有沒有完全做到超越自己本來的政治跟社會運動立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].start |
10305.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].end |
10306.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3043].text |
甚至這樣講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].start |
10306.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].end |
10308.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3044].text |
請您直接告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].start |
10308.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].end |
10310.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3045].text |
過去六年有哪一個具體案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].start |
10310.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].end |
10313.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3046].text |
是您調查的對象、結果、甚至結論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].start |
10313.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].end |
10316.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3047].text |
與您本來的政治立場是不同的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].start |
10316.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].end |
10318.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3048].text |
但您仍然秉公處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].start |
10319.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].end |
10321.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3049].text |
請你舉出一個最具代表性的例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].start |
10323.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].end |
10325.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3050].text |
我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].start |
10325.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].end |
10327.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3051].text |
監察委員的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].start |
10327.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].end |
10330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3052].text |
只是在案件的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].start |
10330.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].end |
10335.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3053].text |
我剛剛也跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].start |
10335.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].end |
10337.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3054].text |
我在監察調查的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].start |
10337.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].end |
10338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3055].text |
歷史不多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].start |
10338.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].end |
10340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3056].text |
我一共只有30案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].start |
10340.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].end |
10342.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3057].text |
一件的調查案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].start |
10344.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].end |
10346.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3058].text |
但是在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].start |
10346.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].end |
10348.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3059].text |
要我特別舉出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].start |
10348.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].end |
10352.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3060].text |
跟我的過去的政治理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].start |
10352.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].end |
10354.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3061].text |
這一個部分有所不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].start |
10354.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].end |
10356.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3062].text |
或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].start |
10356.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].end |
10358.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3063].text |
在這裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].start |
10358.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].end |
10362.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3064].text |
跟我在社運的立場上面不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].start |
10362.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].end |
10364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3065].text |
我想在這裡面沒有出的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].start |
10364.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].end |
10368.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3066].text |
但是我可以說明的一個案件是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].start |
10369.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].end |
10371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3067].text |
我必須先說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].start |
10371.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].end |
10374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3068].text |
這一個是一個密的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].start |
10374.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].end |
10376.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3069].text |
我簡單的說明的情況裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].start |
10376.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].end |
10380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3070].text |
我們在接受陳情的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].start |
10380.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].end |
10382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3071].text |
監察院接受陳情的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].start |
10382.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].end |
10384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3072].text |
有一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].start |
10384.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].end |
10389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3073].text |
是有關於一位身心障礙公務員的自殺案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].start |
10389.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].end |
10392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3074].text |
然後家府認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].start |
10392.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].end |
10394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3075].text |
在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].start |
10394.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].end |
10398.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3076].text |
他的任用機關有相關的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].start |
10398.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].end |
10400.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3077].text |
因為陰障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].start |
10400.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].end |
10402.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3078].text |
我想在監察院裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].start |
10402.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].end |
10407.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3079].text |
同仁就推派我來做這樣子的案件的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].start |
10407.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].end |
10411.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3080].text |
經過抽屍剝繭的情況裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].start |
10411.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].end |
10413.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3081].text |
在這裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].start |
10413.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].end |
10418.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3082].text |
我們確實還原整個真實的情況跟狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].start |
10418.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].end |
10421.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3083].text |
並不如家屬所想的這樣子的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].start |
10421.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].end |
10423.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3084].text |
很多人原來認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].start |
10423.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].end |
10426.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3085].text |
這一個案件在之後的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].start |
10426.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].end |
10428.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3086].text |
我們當然會規則於用人機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].start |
10428.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].end |
10430.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3087].text |
因為他是障礙者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].start |
10430.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].end |
10433.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3088].text |
尤其就是說死的這樣子的一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].start |
10434.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].end |
10436.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3089].text |
但是就是說我們還原了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].start |
10436.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].end |
10440.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3090].text |
在調查過程裡面還原了事實真相這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].start |
10440.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].end |
10445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3091].text |
然後用人機關有他疏忽的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].start |
10445.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].end |
10447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3092].text |
也請他負起責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].start |
10447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].end |
10451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3093].text |
然後也讓家屬能夠清楚明白事實的真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].start |
10451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].end |
10453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3094].text |
王先生為什麼我特地要提這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].start |
10453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].end |
10456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3095].text |
因為全國民眾都想要知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].start |
10456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].end |
10458.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3096].text |
王榮章進了清察院之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].start |
10458.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].end |
10460.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3097].text |
當上副院長之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].start |
10460.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].end |
10462.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3098].text |
是把社運的旗子放下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].start |
10462.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].end |
10466.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3099].text |
拿起憲法還是只是把旗子帶進監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].start |
10466.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].end |
10468.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3100].text |
這是兩件完全不同的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].start |
10468.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].end |
10471.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3101].text |
而王先生您不只是參與社會運動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].start |
10471.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].end |
10474.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3102].text |
您還是民進黨的不分區立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].start |
10474.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].end |
10476.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3103].text |
那這當然不是原罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].start |
10476.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].end |
10478.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3104].text |
但是監察委員的法律要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].start |
10478.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].end |
10481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3105].text |
就是必須要超出黨派保持中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].start |
10481.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].end |
10485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3106].text |
很有意思的您自己在書面答覆裡面也承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].start |
10485.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].end |
10487.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3107].text |
監察院現在的滿意度低 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].start |
10487.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].end |
10489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3108].text |
其中一個核心原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].start |
10489.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].end |
10492.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3109].text |
就是提名制度引起政治疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].start |
10492.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].end |
10495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3110].text |
以及重大施政弊案查辦時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].start |
10495.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].end |
10497.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3111].text |
為輔仁民期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].start |
10497.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].end |
10499.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3112].text |
這是您自己寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].start |
10499.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].end |
10502.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3113].text |
所以我要順著您的答案來問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].start |
10503.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].end |
10505.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3114].text |
那既然您知道人民有這個疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].start |
10505.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].end |
10507.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3115].text |
請問你過去六年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].start |
10507.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].end |
10511.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3116].text |
有沒有主動調查民進黨政府的重大政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].start |
10511.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].end |
10513.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3117].text |
或重大行政為師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].start |
10513.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].end |
10515.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3118].text |
請問你有沒有主導參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].start |
10515.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].end |
10519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3119].text |
而且最後真的產生實質的糾正效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].start |
10519.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].end |
10521.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3120].text |
糾舉或彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].start |
10521.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].end |
10523.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3121].text |
請您講最重要的意見 |
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10522.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].end |
10525.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3122].text |
我想要例來講的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].start |
10525.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].end |
10528.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3123].text |
我確實有辦理過相關的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].start |
10528.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].end |
10530.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3124].text |
這裡面包括我們的國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].start |
10530.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].end |
10537.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3125].text |
對於從84年的制度裡面所執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].start |
10537.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].end |
10541.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3126].text |
對於已署的醫次金的部分執行 |
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10541.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].end |
10545.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3127].text |
從84年一直挫到民國110年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].start |
10545.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].end |
10547.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3128].text |
這樣子的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].start |
10547.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].end |
10551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3129].text |
我提出六位軍官的彈劾工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].start |
10551.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].end |
10555.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3130].text |
雖然國防部是在民進黨執政之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].start |
10555.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].end |
10559.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3131].text |
當然這個案件歷經30多年的錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].start |
10559.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].end |
10561.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3132].text |
我提出相關的糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].start |
10561.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].end |
10565.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3133].text |
另外的話對於桃園縣政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].start |
10565.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].end |
10567.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3134].text |
民進黨執政的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].start |
10567.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].end |
10572.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3135].text |
對於身障礙的相關的基金的運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].start |
10572.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].end |
10576.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3136].text |
然後對於公產盈餘運用的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].start |
10576.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].end |
10579.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3137].text |
不當的使用我也提出相關的糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].start |
10579.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].end |
10584.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3138].text |
如果未來民進黨政府發生重大違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].start |
10584.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].end |
10587.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3139].text |
甚至涉及行政院長、部會首長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].start |
10587.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].end |
10590.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3140].text |
您會不會查、敢不敢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].start |
10590.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].end |
10592.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3141].text |
我想這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].start |
10592.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].end |
10596.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3142].text |
監察院作為準司法機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].start |
10596.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].end |
10600.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3143].text |
處理風險機關的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].start |
10600.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].end |
10602.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3144].text |
這裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].start |
10602.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].end |
10605.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3145].text |
不管政黨、我個人的這個部分也是如此 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].start |
10605.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].end |
10607.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3146].text |
不管是在制度的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].start |
10607.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].end |
10611.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3147].text |
或我對個人的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].start |
10611.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].end |
10614.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3148].text |
這裡面不論政黨的顏色背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].start |
10614.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].end |
10617.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3149].text |
證據到哪裡,查到哪裡,辦到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].start |
10617.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].end |
10619.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3150].text |
這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].start |
10619.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].end |
10623.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3151].text |
我對在這裡面可以以這樣子的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].start |
10623.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].end |
10625.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[3152].text |
這也是我的堅持跟主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].start |
10627.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].end |
10629.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3153].text |
其實您的問卷回答裡面也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].start |
10629.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].end |
10632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3154].text |
我想不是只有我所有的剛剛質詢的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].start |
10632.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].end |
10634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3155].text |
尤其是在在野黨的委員們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].start |
10634.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].end |
10636.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3156].text |
都有一樣的疑惑 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].start |
10636.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].end |
10640.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3157].text |
就是行政院長拒絕附屬立法院三讀通過的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].start |
10640.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].end |
10644.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3158].text |
您的回答認為這是屬於政治性的憲政僵局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].start |
10644.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].end |
10648.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3159].text |
應該透過政治協商或憲法判決解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].start |
10648.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].end |
10652.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3160].text |
而不是透過監察院懲戒制度來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].start |
10652.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].end |
10654.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3161].text |
我尊重您的法律意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].start |
10654.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].end |
10655.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3162].text |
但是我也必須要提醒您 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].start |
10655.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].end |
10657.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3163].text |
如果監察院說什麼問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].start |
10657.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].end |
10659.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3164].text |
都說這是政治問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].start |
10659.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].end |
10661.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3165].text |
什麼都說等法院判 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].start |
10661.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].end |
10665.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3166].text |
最後面監察院會不會變成一個大型的轉接中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].start |
10665.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].end |
10667.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3167].text |
能轉法院就轉法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].start |
10667.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].end |
10669.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3168].text |
能等釋憲就等釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].start |
10669.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].end |
10671.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3169].text |
那人民會直覺地去問人為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].start |
10671.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].end |
10673.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3170].text |
我們要這個監察院拿來幹嘛呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].start |
10674.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].end |
10674.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3171].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].start |
10675.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].end |
10677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3172].text |
這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].start |
10677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].end |
10681.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3173].text |
監察院的者在於公務人員或者公家機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].start |
10681.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].end |
10683.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3174].text |
違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].start |
10683.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].end |
10686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3175].text |
應作為而不作為的就是說情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].start |
10686.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].end |
10688.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3176].text |
我們可以行使監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].start |
10688.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].end |
10691.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3177].text |
但是對於法律的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].start |
10691.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].end |
10693.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3178].text |
適用的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].start |
10693.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].end |
10696.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3179].text |
乃至於就是說在剛剛舉例行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].start |
10696.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].end |
10700.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3180].text |
可不可以在這樣子的案件上面行使附屬權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].start |
10700.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].end |
10702.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3181].text |
那這裡面牽涉到法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].start |
10702.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].end |
10706.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3182].text |
憲法賦予的附屬權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].start |
10706.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].end |
10707.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3183].text |
這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].start |
10707.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].end |
10709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3184].text |
到底就是說是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].start |
10709.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].end |
10710.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3185].text |
在這 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].start |
10710.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].end |
10711.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3186].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].start |
10711.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].end |
10715.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3187].text |
他到底是行政院長的權利還是義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].start |
10715.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].end |
10716.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3188].text |
剛剛我們院長提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].start |
10716.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].end |
10720.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3189].text |
被提名人也做過了相關的就是說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].start |
10720.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].end |
10723.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3190].text |
所以在不是監察院權責的這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].start |
10723.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].end |
10725.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3191].text |
我們沒有辦法做認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].start |
10725.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].end |
10727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3192].text |
也沒有辦法強加作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].start |
10727.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].end |
10728.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3193].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].start |
10728.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].end |
10731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3194].text |
其實剛剛這一題最後這一題其實剛剛也有不少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].start |
10731.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].end |
10734.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3195].text |
您自己也曾經講過就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].start |
10734.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].end |
10736.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3196].text |
您當了六年的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].start |
10736.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].end |
10738.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3197].text |
那你目前公開統計來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].start |
10738.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].end |
10741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3198].text |
來看您的調查報告參與數是25件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].start |
10741.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].end |
10744.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3199].text |
第二少的監察委員是31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].start |
10744.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].end |
10745.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3200].text |
那第二少是76件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].start |
10745.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].end |
10747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3201].text |
您的彈劾案是1件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].start |
10747.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].end |
10748.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3202].text |
那第二例的是3件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].start |
10748.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].end |
10750.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3203].text |
您的糾正案是6件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].start |
10750.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].end |
10752.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3204].text |
倒數第二反而是20件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].start |
10752.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].end |
10756.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3205].text |
這個差距跟很多項目來講差距可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].start |
10756.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].end |
10757.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3206].text |
不是兩倍到三倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].start |
10757.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].end |
10760.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3207].text |
但是老實說數字不能代表一切 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].start |
10760.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].end |
10762.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3208].text |
但是如果每個數字都特別低的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].start |
10762.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].end |
10765.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3209].text |
總是會有一些代表代表一些意義吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].start |
10765.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].end |
10767.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3210].text |
所以請你具體回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].start |
10767.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].end |
10769.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3211].text |
為什麼您的核心監察業務參見數 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].start |
10769.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].end |
10772.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3212].text |
會明顯低於其他監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].start |
10772.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].end |
10774.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3213].text |
是因為您辦的案件特別困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].start |
10774.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].end |
10777.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3214].text |
還是您投入國家人權委員會工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].start |
10777.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].end |
10779.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[3215].text |
還是您本來的工作分配就不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].start |
10782.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].end |
10784.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3216].text |
這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].start |
10784.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].end |
10787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3217].text |
我選擇我們兩個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].start |
10787.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].end |
10791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3218].text |
一個是監察委員兼國家人權委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].start |
10791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].end |
10793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3219].text |
在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].start |
10793.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].end |
10795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3220].text |
國家人權委員會的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].start |
10795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].end |
10798.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3221].text |
根據巴黎原則他必須是專職 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].start |
10798.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].end |
10800.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3222].text |
但是我們現在職權刑事法的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].start |
10800.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].end |
10804.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3223].text |
我們是監察委員兼國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].start |
10804.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].end |
10805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3224].text |
那對我來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].start |
10805.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].end |
10809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3225].text |
我的選擇投入在人權會的工作裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].start |
10809.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].end |
10811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3226].text |
那我在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].start |
10811.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].end |
10812.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3227].text |
低度參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].start |
10812.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].end |
10814.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3228].text |
我們仍然就做競相關的義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].start |
10814.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].end |
10816.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3229].text |
老師說這就是我現在很大的疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].start |
10816.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].end |
10819.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3230].text |
就是說您在書面報告裡面也提出說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].start |
10820.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].end |
10825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3231].text |
監察委員的監委可以低度參與監察質詢的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].start |
10825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].end |
10827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3232].text |
可是這樣對於一個未來的副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].start |
10827.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].end |
10829.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3233].text |
其實這個樣子的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].start |
10839.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].end |
10841.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[3234].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].start |
10846.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].end |
10848.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3235].text |
謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].start |
10848.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].end |
10851.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3236].text |
下一位我們請賴世保委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].start |
10862.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].end |
10864.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3237].text |
謝謝主席江副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].start |
10864.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].end |
10867.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3238].text |
以及各位先進 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].start |
10867.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].end |
10871.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3239].text |
還有我們的監察院副院長被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].start |
10873.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].end |
10875.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[3240].text |
王先生吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].start |
10875.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].end |
10877.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3241].text |
以及各位先進大家早安大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].start |
10878.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].end |
10880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3242].text |
這個你我是同事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].start |
10880.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].end |
10883.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3243].text |
在立法院財政委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].start |
10883.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].end |
10885.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3244].text |
我們那時候老實講我對你蠻欣賞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].start |
10887.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].end |
10889.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3245].text |
你堅持著公平正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].start |
10890.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].end |
10892.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3246].text |
雖然你是民進黨的不溫區 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].start |
10892.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].end |
10894.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[3247].text |
你敢放炮 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].start |
10895.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].end |
10897.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3248].text |
可是你進到監察院以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].start |
10897.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].end |
10898.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3249].text |
你給我鬧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].start |
10901.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].end |
10902.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3250].text |
最混的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].start |
10903.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].end |
10904.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3251].text |
最冷酷的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].start |
10905.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].end |
10908.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3252].text |
最聽話的監委聽誰的聽行政院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].start |
10909.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].end |
10910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3253].text |
你卻很猛狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].start |
10911.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].end |
10912.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3254].text |
代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].start |
10912.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].end |
10914.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3255].text |
徹底的把監察院內閣化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].start |
10916.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].end |
10918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3256].text |
把自我矮化 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].start |
10918.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].end |
10920.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3257].text |
還沒讓你講你先不要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].start |
10921.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].end |
10922.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3258].text |
把監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].start |
10922.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].end |
10923.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3259].text |
住嘴 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].start |
10924.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].end |
10926.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3260].text |
變成行政院的監察局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].start |
10927.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].end |
10929.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3261].text |
你現在來看他大家統計啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].start |
10934.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].end |
10936.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3262].text |
六件糾正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].start |
10937.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].end |
10939.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3263].text |
二十五件的整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].start |
10940.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].end |
10942.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3264].text |
掉槽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].start |
10941.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].end |
10943.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3265].text |
這樣陳菊你怎麼好意思說你要接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].start |
10943.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].end |
10945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3266].text |
監察院的副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].start |
10945.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].end |
10947.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3267].text |
又再生肝啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].start |
10948.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].end |
10949.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3268].text |
這怎麼好意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].start |
10949.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].end |
10950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3269].text |
如果我是你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].start |
10950.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].end |
10952.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[3270].text |
羞慘的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].start |
10953.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].end |
10954.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3271].text |
他為什麼提名你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].start |
10954.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].end |
10955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3272].text |
就簡單啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].start |
10955.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].end |
10956.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3273].text |
因為你的成績最爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].start |
10957.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].end |
10959.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3274].text |
他就提名一個最爛的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].start |
10959.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].end |
10960.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3275].text |
讓我們來砍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].start |
10960.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].end |
10962.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3276].text |
順勢的把監察院廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].start |
10962.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].end |
10964.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3277].text |
所以王龍中是指標人物啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].start |
10964.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].end |
10965.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3278].text |
你成績最爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].start |
10965.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].end |
10967.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[3279].text |
所有的監委裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].start |
10968.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].end |
10970.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3280].text |
二十幾個監委裡面你成績最爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].start |
10971.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].end |
10973.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3281].text |
然後呢你剛剛講的什麼什麼國務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].start |
10973.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].end |
10975.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3282].text |
那種不同不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].start |
10975.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].end |
10977.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3283].text |
對於行政院貴黨民進黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].start |
10979.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].end |
10981.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3284].text |
的這些高官你捧都不敢捧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].start |
10982.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].end |
10983.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[3285].text |
你捧都 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].start |
10983.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].end |
10984.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3286].text |
高端的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].start |
10985.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].end |
10988.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3287].text |
2021年3加11爆發 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].start |
10989.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].end |
10991.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3288].text |
到現在為止機會紀錄也沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].start |
10992.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].end |
10994.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3289].text |
說有監委提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].start |
10994.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].end |
10996.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3290].text |
要約談陳時中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].start |
10999.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].end |
11000.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3291].text |
這個委員就沒有你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].start |
11001.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].end |
11003.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3292].text |
有誰呢?我再提名你給他表揚一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].start |
11003.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].end |
11005.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3293].text |
敢提出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].start |
11005.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].end |
11007.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3294].text |
普宗臣林立雄 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].start |
11007.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].end |
11009.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3295].text |
王立龍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].start |
11009.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].end |
11010.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3296].text |
蕭志祐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].start |
11010.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].end |
11012.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3297].text |
王又隆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].start |
11012.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].end |
11013.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3298].text |
以及 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].start |
11013.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].end |
11014.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3299].text |
你沒命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].start |
11015.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].end |
11016.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3300].text |
沒有你啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].start |
11016.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].end |
11018.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3301].text |
好你最關心的藍權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].start |
11018.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].end |
11019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3302].text |
人他那份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].start |
11019.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].end |
11022.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3303].text |
赤路人赤路的方向去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].start |
11023.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].end |
11025.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[3304].text |
高端的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].start |
11025.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].end |
11028.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3305].text |
結果人權的東西就是王又隆跟林美怡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].start |
11028.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].end |
11029.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3306].text |
也沒有王龍章啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].start |
11030.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].end |
11032.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3307].text |
這社會多麼重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].start |
11032.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].end |
11033.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3308].text |
高端事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].start |
11033.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].end |
11035.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3309].text |
你可以看到陳時中最近在講這些武術善得 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].start |
11037.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].end |
11038.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3310].text |
順利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].start |
11039.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].end |
11039.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3311].text |
咿嚕 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].start |
11041.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].end |
11043.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3312].text |
裡面掮客的弊端 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].start |
11043.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].end |
11044.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3313].text |
那是一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].start |
11044.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].end |
11046.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3314].text |
跟陳時中那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].start |
11047.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].end |
11049.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3315].text |
百般的阻撓 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].start |
11049.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].end |
11052.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3316].text |
讓疫苗進來就是護著大家打高端 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].start |
11053.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].end |
11054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3317].text |
你現在高端鬧事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].start |
11054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].end |
11055.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3318].text |
你是不是要我回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].start |
11055.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].end |
11056.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3319].text |
不要急不要急 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].start |
11056.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].end |
11057.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[3320].text |
我會讓你講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].start |
11058 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].end |
11059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3321].text |
2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].start |
11059 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].end |
11064 |
| transcript.whisperx[3322].text |
因為這樣一路把高端的股票炒到417塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].start |
11064 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].end |
11066 |
| transcript.whisperx[3323].text |
現在高端的股票50塊左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].start |
11066.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].end |
11067.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3324].text |
中伏 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].start |
11068.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].end |
11071.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3325].text |
總共40增發了600億多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].start |
11072.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].end |
11074.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3326].text |
受害的人是萬人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].start |
11076.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].end |
11077.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3327].text |
也是人權問題啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].start |
11077.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].end |
11079.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3328].text |
這個經濟問題這裡面炒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].start |
11079.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].end |
11082.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3329].text |
沒有看到王龍章那個一丁點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].start |
11082.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].end |
11085.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3330].text |
再來也看到潮濕雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].start |
11086.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].end |
11089.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3331].text |
離譜的一套武毒你也都沒有動身色 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].start |
11089.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].end |
11092.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3332].text |
光電弊案你也都沒有動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].start |
11092.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].end |
11093.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3333].text |
所以這個監委啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].start |
11093.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].end |
11094.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3334].text |
老實講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].start |
11094.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].end |
11095.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3335].text |
這不是你而已啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].start |
11095.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].end |
11098.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3336].text |
就是整個監察院是爛掉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].start |
11098.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].end |
11103.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3337].text |
監察院把自己矮化成為行政院的監察局 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].start |
11103.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].end |
11106.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3338].text |
然後這幾個立委要約談陳時中 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].start |
11106.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].end |
11109.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3339].text |
被蘇貞昌吼下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].start |
11109.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].end |
11110.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3340].text |
大家都丟棄啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].start |
11110.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].end |
11112.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3341].text |
到現在為止沒有人敢講話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].start |
11112.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].end |
11113.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3342].text |
包括你在內 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].start |
11113.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].end |
11117.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3343].text |
一句都不肯請問高端事情你有肯一句話嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].start |
11117.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].end |
11119.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3344].text |
一句話沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].start |
11119.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].end |
11121.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3345].text |
王龍章這個監委啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].start |
11121.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].end |
11122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3346].text |
你一句話都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].start |
11122.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].end |
11123.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3347].text |
我就想到說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].start |
11123.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].end |
11125.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3348].text |
這是我認識的王龍章嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].start |
11126.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].end |
11128.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3349].text |
已經在參議會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].start |
11128.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].end |
11129.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3350].text |
變彭喬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].start |
11129.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].end |
11131.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3351].text |
還敢講這個講那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].start |
11131.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].end |
11133.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3352].text |
監委歸說啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].start |
11133.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].end |
11134.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3353].text |
一路歸說到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].start |
11135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].end |
11136.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3354].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].start |
11136.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].end |
11137.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3355].text |
只有一件彈劾案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].start |
11138.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].end |
11139.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3356].text |
一年不到一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].start |
11139.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].end |
11141.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3357].text |
只有六件糾正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].start |
11141.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].end |
11142.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[3358].text |
包括你剛剛講的國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].start |
11143.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].end |
11144.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3359].text |
一年一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].start |
11144.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].end |
11146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3360].text |
你這官有夠好做啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].start |
11146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].end |
11147.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3361].text |
還有有辦法說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].start |
11147.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].end |
11149.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3362].text |
我就不要人家你失德了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].start |
11149.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].end |
11151.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3363].text |
你用溝通車去洗你的愛狗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].start |
11151.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].end |
11152.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3364].text |
這個我就不談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].start |
11152.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].end |
11154.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3365].text |
我跟你談政策的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].start |
11154.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].end |
11156.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3366].text |
政策的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].start |
11156.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].end |
11158.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3367].text |
我先把問題講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].start |
11158.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].end |
11160.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3368].text |
我把問題講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].start |
11160.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].end |
11161.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3369].text |
你回答吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].start |
11161.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].end |
11162.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3370].text |
你為什麼這麼懶惰 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].start |
11162.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].end |
11163.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[3371].text |
這麼混 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].start |
11164.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].end |
11165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3372].text |
心血這麼長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].start |
11165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].end |
11166.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3373].text |
你想一下為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].start |
11166.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].end |
11168.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3374].text |
好 向賴委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].start |
11168.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].end |
11171.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3375].text |
王龍章還是王龍章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].start |
11172.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].end |
11173.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3376].text |
在監察院的王龍章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].start |
11173.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].end |
11175.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3377].text |
已經是過夜的王龍章了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].start |
11175.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].end |
11176.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3378].text |
在立法院的王龍章 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].start |
11176.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].end |
11177.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3379].text |
是同一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].start |
11177.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].end |
11179.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3380].text |
我的作法跟我的原則沒有改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].start |
11179.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].end |
11182.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3381].text |
我剛剛回答多位的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].start |
11182.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].end |
11185.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3382].text |
對於就是說職權的行使的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].start |
11185.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].end |
11187.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3383].text |
我的選擇決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].start |
11187.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].end |
11189.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3384].text |
符合國際的要求跟標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].start |
11189.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].end |
11193.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3385].text |
在於人權相關的案件裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].start |
11193.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].end |
11194.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3386].text |
在人權的工作裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].start |
11194.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].end |
11196.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3387].text |
人權的就是說工作裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].start |
11196.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].end |
11197.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3388].text |
你人權的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].start |
11197.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].end |
11198.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3389].text |
偉大東西沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].start |
11198.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].end |
11200.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3390].text |
你人權有什麼偉大東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].start |
11200.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].end |
11202.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3391].text |
你人權你講一個跡象 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].start |
11202.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].end |
11203.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3392].text |
也沒什麼偉大東西啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].start |
11203.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].end |
11204.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3393].text |
我看你老闆娘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].start |
11204.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].end |
11206.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3394].text |
國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].start |
11206.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].end |
11209.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3395].text |
人權來講你沒有什麼東西拿出來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].start |
11209.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].end |
11211.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3396].text |
我剛剛在口頭報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].start |
11211.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].end |
11213.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3397].text |
有做了相關的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].start |
11213.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].end |
11215.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3398].text |
國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].start |
11215.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].end |
11217.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3399].text |
在第一屆是一個新設的機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].start |
11217.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].end |
11218.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3400].text |
不要講你今天講業務次三 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].start |
11218.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].end |
11219.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3401].text |
你就回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].start |
11219.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].end |
11220.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3402].text |
你回答我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].start |
11220.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].end |
11222.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3403].text |
委員你不需要我說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].start |
11222.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].end |
11223.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3404].text |
你只是希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].start |
11223.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].end |
11224.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3405].text |
你只是要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].start |
11224.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].end |
11226.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3406].text |
你跟我講教科書的我不要聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].start |
11226.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].end |
11227.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3407].text |
然後就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].start |
11227.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].end |
11229.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3408].text |
還有一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].start |
11229.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].end |
11232.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3409].text |
部署於監察委員的職權範圍裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].start |
11232.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].end |
11233.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3410].text |
或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].start |
11233.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].end |
11235.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3411].text |
委員沒有經過調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].start |
11235.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].end |
11236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3412].text |
你講這些教科書 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].start |
11236.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].end |
11237.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3413].text |
你不要給我論時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].start |
11237.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].end |
11239.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3414].text |
你現在互相互和的時間不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].start |
11239.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].end |
11240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3415].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].start |
11240.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].end |
11242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3416].text |
那你就講人權你有沒有談和 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].start |
11242.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].end |
11243.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3417].text |
哪一位官員說人權問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].start |
11243.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].end |
11246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3418].text |
霸凌有沒有談和 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].start |
11246.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].end |
11248.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3419].text |
人權會的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].start |
11248.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].end |
11249.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3420].text |
只有建議權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].start |
11249.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].end |
11250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3421].text |
建議權沒有建議權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].start |
11250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].end |
11251.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3422].text |
談和 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].start |
11251.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].end |
11255.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3423].text |
光指在亞太地區的這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].start |
11255.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].end |
11258.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3424].text |
我提出了兩百多項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].start |
11258.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].end |
11260.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3425].text |
對於行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].start |
11260.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].end |
11262.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3426].text |
就是說我們行政部門的就是說做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].start |
11262.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].end |
11263.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3427].text |
不同的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].start |
11263.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].end |
11266.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3428].text |
國際審查的報告裡面的的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].start |
11266.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].end |
11268.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3429].text |
我提出了兩百多項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].start |
11268.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].end |
11270.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3430].text |
你現在用教科書的事物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].start |
11270.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].end |
11271.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3431].text |
如果只有認為你認為的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].start |
11271.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].end |
11273.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3432].text |
就是說才是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].start |
11273.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].end |
11275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3433].text |
那然後對於事實的數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].start |
11275.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].end |
11277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3434].text |
都不予採認的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].start |
11277.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].end |
11279.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3435].text |
我想這樣子的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].start |
11279.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].end |
11283.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3436].text |
的話是沒有辦法到就是說真相的成就 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].start |
11283.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].end |
11284.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3437].text |
你沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].start |
11284.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].end |
11285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3438].text |
王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].start |
11285.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].end |
11286.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3439].text |
王委員好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].start |
11286.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].end |
11287.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3440].text |
可以了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].start |
11287.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].end |
11289.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3441].text |
因為你都用教科書來給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].start |
11289.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].end |
11290.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3442].text |
讓我有的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].start |
11290.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].end |
11291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3443].text |
大家最矚目的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].start |
11291.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].end |
11293.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3444].text |
時間應該是我們共有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].start |
11293.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].end |
11294.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3445].text |
最矚目的勞動物的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].start |
11296.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].end |
11299.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3446].text |
長官罷領部下你有沒有參與人權問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].start |
11299.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].end |
11301.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3447].text |
那個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].start |
11301.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].end |
11303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3448].text |
監察院的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].start |
11303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].end |
11306.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3449].text |
就是一個調查案件裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].start |
11306.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].end |
11309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3450].text |
最多只能夠有三個委員參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].start |
11309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].end |
11311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3451].text |
在這裡裡面的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].start |
11311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].end |
11312.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3452].text |
對就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].start |
11312.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].end |
11316.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3453].text |
這個部分有關於就是說調查的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].start |
11316.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].end |
11319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3454].text |
我剛剛一開始的時候就承認 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].start |
11319.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].end |
11323.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3455].text |
不是我在這個三任委員的工作的就是說重新 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].start |
11324.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].end |
11325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3456].text |
王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].start |
11325.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].end |
11327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3457].text |
如果只有認為您關心的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].start |
11327.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].end |
11329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3458].text |
那然後才是重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].start |
11329.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].end |
11331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3459].text |
那其他的人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].start |
11331.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].end |
11333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3460].text |
社會關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].start |
11333.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].end |
11334.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3461].text |
美中新聞這麼辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].start |
11334.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].end |
11337.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3462].text |
就是說人權的議題不重要的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].start |
11337.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].end |
11339.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3463].text |
我想就是說在這樣子的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].start |
11339.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].end |
11340.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3464].text |
官員的罷領 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].start |
11340.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].end |
11341.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3465].text |
我也沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].start |
11341.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].end |
11344.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3466].text |
就是說我只能夠就是說尊重您個人的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].start |
11344.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].end |
11346.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3467].text |
你回答的問題都沒辦法說服我了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].start |
11347.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].end |
11348.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3468].text |
你是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].start |
11348.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].end |
11349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3469].text |
既下最差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].start |
11349.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].end |
11351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3470].text |
坦和人數最少 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].start |
11351.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].end |
11353.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[3471].text |
我當然沒有辦法說服你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].start |
11354.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].end |
11356.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3472].text |
對擺爛的一個節目 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].start |
11356.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].end |
11357.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3473].text |
我不接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].start |
11357.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].end |
11358.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3474].text |
那我就告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].start |
11358.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].end |
11360.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3475].text |
這個部分可受社會公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].start |
11360.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].end |
11363.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3476].text |
所以您這樣子的指責跟指控我不接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].start |
11363.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].end |
11365.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3477].text |
你們偶爾來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].start |
11365.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].end |
11366.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3478].text |
監委都是很混的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].start |
11366.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].end |
11368.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3479].text |
因為績效都非常差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].start |
11368.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].end |
11372.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3480].text |
委員講的這樣子的評論是不公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].start |
11372.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].end |
11373.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3481].text |
是不正確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].start |
11373.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].end |
11374.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3482].text |
停了請先停 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].start |
11374.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].end |
11376.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[3483].text |
我給你念給你聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].start |
11377.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].end |
11380.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3484].text |
第六屆總共人民申請的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].start |
11380.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].end |
11381.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3485].text |
八點六案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].start |
11382.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].end |
11384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3486].text |
第六屆就這一屆你這一屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].start |
11385.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].end |
11387.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3487].text |
總共調查1541 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].start |
11387.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].end |
11389.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3488].text |
九中案481 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].start |
11389.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].end |
11391.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3489].text |
彈劾案125 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].start |
11393.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].end |
11396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3490].text |
第五屆人民請願八點六案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].start |
11396.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].end |
11399.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3491].text |
結果第五屆糾正966 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].start |
11399.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].end |
11400.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3492].text |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].start |
11400.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].end |
11401.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3493].text |
貪污 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].start |
11401.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].end |
11403.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3494].text |
就績效越來越差 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].start |
11403.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].end |
11406.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3495].text |
王老五過年一年不如一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].start |
11406.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].end |
11408.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3496].text |
你們的監委不是只有你而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].start |
11408.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].end |
11410.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3497].text |
所有的監委都在混 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].start |
11410.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].end |
11413.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3498].text |
檢察院真的可以廢掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].start |
11413.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].end |
11415.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3499].text |
這樣子我都不好意思講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].start |
11415.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].end |
11416.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3500].text |
如果都是用數量來看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].start |
11416.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].end |
11418.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3501].text |
這不是公平的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].start |
11418.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].end |
11419.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3502].text |
怎麼不公平奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].start |
11419.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].end |
11421.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3503].text |
然後我想委員也應該會同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].start |
11421.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].end |
11423.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3504].text |
在立法院提案最多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].start |
11423.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].end |
11425.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3505].text |
立法案件的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].start |
11425.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].end |
11427.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3506].text |
不一定是最優秀的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].start |
11427.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].end |
11430.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3507].text |
同樣的我在之前查過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].start |
11430.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].end |
11437.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3508].text |
所以你最優秀的監委是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].start |
11437.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].end |
11439.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3509].text |
去年一共有483件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].start |
11439.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].end |
11442.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3510].text |
但是就是說在這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].start |
11442.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].end |
11445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3511].text |
委員會就是說陳案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].start |
11445.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].end |
11446.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3512].text |
一件都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].start |
11446.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].end |
11447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3513].text |
你成功的投羅了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].start |
11447.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].end |
11449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3514].text |
實驗我最後一件都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].start |
11449.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].end |
11451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3515].text |
我總結一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].start |
11451.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].end |
11453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3516].text |
但是我不認為監察立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].start |
11453.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].end |
11456.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[3517].text |
在這個部分的話是能夠無效的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].start |
11457.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].end |
11461.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3518].text |
你用公務書去洗你的愛狗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].start |
11461.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].end |
11462.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3519].text |
私德方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].start |
11462.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].end |
11464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3520].text |
老實講你不配當監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].start |
11464.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].end |
11465.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3521].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].start |
11465.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].end |
11468.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3522].text |
第二個你不配當監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].start |
11476.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].end |
11477.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3523].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].start |
11480.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].end |
11482.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3524].text |
好 謝謝賴委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].start |
11482.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].end |
11484.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3525].text |
下一位請吳思堯委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].start |
11492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].end |
11494.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3526].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].start |
11494.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].end |
11496.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3527].text |
謝謝我們的副院長被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].start |
11496.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].end |
11499.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3528].text |
王榮章委員好久不見 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].start |
11499.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].end |
11501.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3529].text |
今天時間有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].start |
11501.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].end |
11502.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3530].text |
只有十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].start |
11502.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].end |
11504.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3531].text |
我想我直接破題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].start |
11504.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].end |
11507.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3532].text |
不管立法院行政院憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].start |
11507.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].end |
11509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3533].text |
都要負憲法的忠誠義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].start |
11509.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].end |
11511.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3534].text |
所以監察院退無可退 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].start |
11511.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].end |
11514.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3535].text |
這是憲法賦予監察院的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].start |
11514.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].end |
11517.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3536].text |
同樣的面對立法院的違憲亂政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].start |
11517.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].end |
11520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3537].text |
監察院除了要自救之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].start |
11520.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].end |
11522.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3538].text |
不是只有自救 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].start |
11522.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].end |
11524.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3539].text |
其實監察院是要救國 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].start |
11524.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].end |
11526.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3540].text |
因為我們負有憲法忠誠義務 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].start |
11526.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].end |
11528.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3541].text |
下一頁我們看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].start |
11529.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].end |
11532.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3542].text |
所以所有的憲政機關平等相違 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].start |
11532.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].end |
11534.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3543].text |
雖然監委的人事同意權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].start |
11534.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].end |
11535.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3544].text |
立法院行事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].start |
11535.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].end |
11537.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3545].text |
雖然監察院的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].start |
11537.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].end |
11539.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3546].text |
是立法院監督審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].start |
11539.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].end |
11543.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3547].text |
但是並不代表立法院比較大 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].start |
11544.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].end |
11546.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3548].text |
國會優惠並不存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].start |
11546.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].end |
11548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3549].text |
這是大法官一再的揭示 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].start |
11548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].end |
11550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3550].text |
所以我們很希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].start |
11550.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].end |
11552.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3551].text |
未來立法院跟監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].start |
11552.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].end |
11554.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3552].text |
跟其他的憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].start |
11554.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].end |
11556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3553].text |
真的大家平起平坐 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].start |
11556.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].end |
11558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3554].text |
互相尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].start |
11558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].end |
11559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3555].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].start |
11559.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].end |
11561.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3556].text |
我今天會聚焦在財政紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].start |
11562.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].end |
11563.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3557].text |
財政紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].start |
11563.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].end |
11564.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3558].text |
憲法第70條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].start |
11564.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].end |
11566.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3559].text |
預算法第91條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].start |
11566.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].end |
11568.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3560].text |
才化法38之1條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].start |
11568.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].end |
11572.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3561].text |
以及財政紀律法第5條第7條 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].start |
11572.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].end |
11575.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3562].text |
都是現在各級政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].start |
11575.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].end |
11577.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3563].text |
包括行政院跟立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].start |
11577.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].end |
11580.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3564].text |
都要看守行政的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].start |
11580.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].end |
11582.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3565].text |
財政紀律的基本原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].start |
11582.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].end |
11583.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3566].text |
不論誰執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].start |
11583.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].end |
11586.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3567].text |
不論藍綠誰當家 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].start |
11586.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].end |
11588.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3568].text |
都要合憲守法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].start |
11588.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].end |
11590.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3569].text |
而這當中的財政紀律法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].start |
11590.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].end |
11593.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3570].text |
就是當時您擔任立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].start |
11593.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].end |
11594.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3571].text |
您主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].start |
11594.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].end |
11596.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3572].text |
您也在財政委員會發揮您的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].start |
11596.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].end |
11598.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3573].text |
自身跟專業的影響力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].start |
11598.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].end |
11601.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3574].text |
完成了財政紀律法的修訂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].start |
11601.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].end |
11603.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3575].text |
也就是我們需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].start |
11604.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].end |
11605.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3576].text |
我強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].start |
11605.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].end |
11607.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3577].text |
不是只規範立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].start |
11607.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].end |
11609.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3578].text |
他也規範行政部門 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].start |
11609.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].end |
11612.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3579].text |
你要新增任何政府支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].start |
11612.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].end |
11614.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3580].text |
你要找出財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].start |
11614.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].end |
11618.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3581].text |
而且現在有財政紀律法的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].start |
11618.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].end |
11620.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3582].text |
不應當 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].start |
11621.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].end |
11624.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3583].text |
增訂固定的經費額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].start |
11624.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].end |
11625.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3584].text |
或是比例保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].start |
11625.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].end |
11627.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3585].text |
因為你要增加2% |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].start |
11627.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].end |
11628.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3586].text |
國防增加2% |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].start |
11628.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].end |
11630.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3587].text |
教育要增加3% |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].start |
11630.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].end |
11631.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3588].text |
社福要增加5% |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].start |
11631.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].end |
11634.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3589].text |
對於這種固定經費跟比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].start |
11634.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].end |
11637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3590].text |
您當時都努力的入法了 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].start |
11637.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].end |
11640.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3591].text |
各級機關都要來遵守 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].start |
11640.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].end |
11641.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3592].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].start |
11642.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].end |
11646.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3593].text |
所以說這就是現在2019年到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].start |
11646.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].end |
11649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3594].text |
朝野共同支持之下的財政紀律法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].start |
11649.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].end |
11651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3595].text |
我再一次強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].start |
11651.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].end |
11653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3596].text |
不論誰執政都要守法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].start |
11653.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].end |
11657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3597].text |
而且他不只規範立法院不能片面修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].start |
11657.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].end |
11658.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3598].text |
增加政府支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].start |
11658.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].end |
11660.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3599].text |
他包括也要求行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].start |
11660.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].end |
11662.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3600].text |
你要增加政府的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].start |
11662.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].end |
11665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3601].text |
你也要必要的稅事評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].start |
11665.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].end |
11667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3602].text |
你也要有財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].start |
11667.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].end |
11671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3603].text |
這才是一套完整可行的財政紀律的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].start |
11671.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].end |
11674.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3604].text |
我謝謝您當初在立法院我看到您的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].start |
11674.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].end |
11675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3605].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].start |
11675.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].end |
11676.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3606].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].start |
11676.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].end |
11681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3607].text |
現在的困境就是立法院不做好立法院的工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].start |
11681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].end |
11683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3608].text |
立法院搶當行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].start |
11683.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].end |
11686.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3609].text |
對於預算權的強害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].start |
11686.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].end |
11688.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[3610].text |
立法院有三害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].start |
11688.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].end |
11692.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3611].text |
第一害就是延宕二砍總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].start |
11693.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].end |
11698.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3612].text |
造成民生癱瘓造成施政不順 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].start |
11699.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].end |
11700.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3613].text |
第二害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].start |
11700.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].end |
11704.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3614].text |
立法委員片面的不斷去狂提肉桶法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].start |
11704.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].end |
11706.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3615].text |
錢坑法案沒有財源的評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].start |
11706.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].end |
11708.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3616].text |
支出腐爛立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].start |
11708.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].end |
11710.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3617].text |
大家都來當凱子 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].start |
11710.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].end |
11712.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3618].text |
康國家之凱就是第二害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].start |
11712.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].end |
11714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3619].text |
預算權強害的第三害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].start |
11714.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].end |
11717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3620].text |
就是二修了財化法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].start |
11717.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].end |
11722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3621].text |
把中央的合理財源全部都搬到地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].start |
11722.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].end |
11724.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3622].text |
但沒有事權的統一 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].start |
11725.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].end |
11728.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3623].text |
這是現在我們面對的困境下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].start |
11728.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].end |
11730.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3624].text |
所以第一害就是總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].start |
11731.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].end |
11733.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3625].text |
省第一四年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].start |
11733.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].end |
11737.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[3626].text |
史上砍最多 凍結最嚴 審查過程最混亂 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].start |
11738.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].end |
11743.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3627].text |
而現在審查今年的預算 史上脫罪久 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].start |
11744.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].end |
11746.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3628].text |
很遺憾立法院面對總預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].start |
11747.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].end |
11750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3629].text |
不是基於專業 不是基於理性 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].start |
11750.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].end |
11754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3630].text |
而只是基於政治報復跟癱瘓執政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].start |
11754.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].end |
11756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3631].text |
我等一下會讓你統合回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].start |
11756.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].end |
11757.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3632].text |
這是第一害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].start |
11757.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].end |
11759.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3633].text |
第二害就是無限多的錢坑法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].start |
11759.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].end |
11760.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3634].text |
我就跳過 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].start |
11761.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].end |
11763.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3635].text |
這裡是一次性的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].start |
11763.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].end |
11764.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3636].text |
跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].start |
11765.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].end |
11769.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3637].text |
無法計算經費支出都是腐爛的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].start |
11769.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].end |
11772.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3638].text |
無限多的錢坑肉桶法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].start |
11772.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].end |
11776.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3639].text |
讓我們的財政陷入了無底洞的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].start |
11776.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].end |
11777.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[3640].text |
最新的就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].start |
11778.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].end |
11779.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3641].text |
未來交互條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].start |
11780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].end |
11782.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[3642].text |
在野黨為了割到尾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].start |
11782.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].end |
11783.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3643].text |
沒有明定財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].start |
11784.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].end |
11786.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3644].text |
還要跟中央搶功勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].start |
11787.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].end |
11788.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3645].text |
康國家之楷 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].start |
11789.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].end |
11791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3646].text |
這個火速通過的未來帳戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].start |
11791.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].end |
11795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3647].text |
每年會增加政府支出1900多億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].start |
11795.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].end |
11799.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3648].text |
比行政院衡量推出的1800億還要多 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].start |
11800.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].end |
11803.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3649].text |
這就是立法委員片面增加政府支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].start |
11803.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].end |
11805.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3650].text |
沒有評估財源 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].start |
11805.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].end |
11808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3651].text |
沒有評估預算之間的合理分配 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].start |
11808.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].end |
11809.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3652].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].start |
11809.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].end |
11811.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3653].text |
唯一我教育文化委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].start |
11811.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].end |
11813.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3654].text |
光這一個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].start |
11814.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].end |
11818.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3655].text |
藍白委員靜香的提了ABCDE |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].start |
11818.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].end |
11820.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3656].text |
這麼多個教育法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].start |
11821.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].end |
11823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3657].text |
凡事要加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].start |
11823.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].end |
11825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3658].text |
凡事都免費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].start |
11825.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].end |
11827.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3659].text |
從營養午餐到學費減免 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].start |
11828.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].end |
11830.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3660].text |
凡事都免費 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].start |
11830.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].end |
11831.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3661].text |
立委當楷字 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].start |
11831.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].end |
11834.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3662].text |
可是要中央全買單 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].start |
11834.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].end |
11836.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3663].text |
如果以我這個會期教育文化委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].start |
11836.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].end |
11838.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3664].text |
再也胡亂加碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].start |
11838.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].end |
11840.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3665].text |
一年至少又增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].start |
11840.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].end |
11842.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3666].text |
國家1638億的支出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].start |
11843.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].end |
11845.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3667].text |
所以就是前坑法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].start |
11845.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].end |
11847.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3668].text |
跟總預算的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].start |
11847.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].end |
11849.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3669].text |
在下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].start |
11849.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].end |
11851.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3670].text |
第三害就是才華法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].start |
11851.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].end |
11852.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3671].text |
才華法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].start |
11852.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].end |
11853.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3672].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].start |
11854.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].end |
11857.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3673].text |
一年搬走中央4165億 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].start |
11857.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].end |
11858.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3674].text |
沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].start |
11858.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].end |
11861.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3675].text |
錢下放地方中央也在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].start |
11861.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].end |
11863.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3676].text |
可是分配不正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].start |
11863.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].end |
11864.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3677].text |
事權不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].start |
11864.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].end |
11866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3678].text |
財政沒有紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].start |
11866.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].end |
11869.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3679].text |
相關法規的配套也沒有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].start |
11869.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].end |
11871.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3680].text |
這些在野黨的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].start |
11871.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].end |
11873.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3681].text |
只精算政治的紅利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].start |
11873.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].end |
11876.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[3682].text |
並不精算財政的紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].start |
11876.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].end |
11878.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3683].text |
所以我要請您統合回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].start |
11878.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].end |
11879.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3684].text |
第一個也是我的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].start |
11879.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].end |
11880.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3685].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].start |
11880.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].end |
11883.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3686].text |
審計部要獨立行使審計權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].start |
11884.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].end |
11888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3687].text |
對於才華法這種胡亂的中央的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].start |
11888.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].end |
11890.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[3688].text |
大量的灌到地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].start |
11890.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].end |
11893.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3689].text |
地方大撒幣卻沒有財政的紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].start |
11893.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].end |
11896.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3690].text |
以前監察院審計部就有很多的糾正案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].start |
11898.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].end |
11900.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3691].text |
應當嚴格來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].start |
11900.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].end |
11902.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3692].text |
否則它就是一個大黑洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].start |
11902.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].end |
11904.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3693].text |
它就是一個無底洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].start |
11905.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].end |
11907.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3694].text |
所以因為財政是您的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].start |
11907.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].end |
11910.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3695].text |
財政紀律法是您當初用心推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].start |
11910.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].end |
11912.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3696].text |
我也很遺憾剛剛在場的賴世寶委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].start |
11912.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].end |
11915.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3697].text |
他當時也是一起力推的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].start |
11915.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].end |
11917.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3698].text |
只是換了位子換了腦袋的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].start |
11917.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].end |
11919.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3699].text |
應當不是王榮章您 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].start |
11919.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].end |
11922.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3700].text |
恐怕就是現在在野黨的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].start |
11922.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].end |
11923.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3701].text |
如賴世寶們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].start |
11923.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].end |
11925.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3702].text |
所以說請您總和回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].start |
11925.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].end |
11927.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3703].text |
就財政紀律的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].start |
11927.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].end |
11929.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3704].text |
我剛剛說的立法院的三害 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].start |
11929.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].end |
11933.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3705].text |
都會造成執政的不順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].start |
11933.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].end |
11935.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3706].text |
財政的不紀律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].start |
11935.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].end |
11938.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3707].text |
您要怎麼樣擔任副院長之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].start |
11938.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].end |
11943.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3708].text |
協助導政協助中央的地方的財政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].start |
11943.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].end |
11945.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3709].text |
都能夠撥亂反正呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].start |
11945.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].end |
11946.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3710].text |
您請快速回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].start |
11946.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].end |
11948.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3711].text |
謝謝吳委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].start |
11948.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].end |
11952.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3712].text |
我想您剛剛說明的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].start |
11952.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].end |
11955.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3713].text |
我想作為財政紀律法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].start |
11955.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].end |
11957.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3714].text |
在沒有行政院版本之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].start |
11957.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].end |
11960.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3715].text |
在各位委員的支持之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].start |
11960.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].end |
11962.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3716].text |
通過的財政紀律法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].start |
11962.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].end |
11967.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3717].text |
但是目前執行的情況是這樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].start |
11967.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].end |
11969.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3718].text |
我想作為提案人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].start |
11969.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].end |
11971.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3719].text |
不作為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].start |
11971.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].end |
11974.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3720].text |
或者是被提名人的立場 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].start |
11974.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].end |
11977.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3721].text |
我個人只有無限的遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].start |
11978.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].end |
11980.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3722].text |
基於憲政分立的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].start |
11980.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].end |
11982.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3723].text |
尤其是監察委員權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].start |
11982.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].end |
11984.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3724].text |
不及於立法委員的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].start |
11984.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].end |
11988.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3725].text |
我不能夠做出更詳細的評論 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].start |
11988.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].end |
11990.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3726].text |
但是我覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].start |
11990.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].end |
11996.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3727].text |
我想就現在的情況跟結果來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].start |
11996.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].end |
11998.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3728].text |
我想就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].start |
11998.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].end |
12003.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3729].text |
審計部事實上也是在監察院裡面的獨立機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].start |
12003.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].end |
12006.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3730].text |
我們會尊重他的獨立審計的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].start |
12006.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].end |
12014.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3731].text |
其實就是說我們會強力支持他們獨立審計相關的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].start |
12014.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].end |
12016.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3732].text |
對於執行的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].start |
12016.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].end |
12019.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3733].text |
執行的績效的這一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].start |
12019.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].end |
12024.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3734].text |
我想未來如果有機會的話擔任副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].start |
12024.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].end |
12025.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3735].text |
我一定會相助院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].start |
12025.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].end |
12027.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3736].text |
在這一個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].start |
12027.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].end |
12029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3737].text |
強力支持審計的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].start |
12029.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].end |
12031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3738].text |
能夠發揮他的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].start |
12031.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].end |
12034.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3739].text |
其實不只審計權來監督預算執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].start |
12034.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].end |
12037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3740].text |
監察院也可以就我們監督各級政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].start |
12037.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].end |
12041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3741].text |
來針對預算不計率的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].start |
12041.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].end |
12043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3742].text |
財政不計率的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].start |
12043.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].end |
12044.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3743].text |
為所當為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].start |
12044.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].end |
12047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3744].text |
好 我最後要問我回到倒數下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].start |
12047.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].end |
12049.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[3745].text |
下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].start |
12050.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].end |
12054.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3746].text |
監察權有彈劾權 糾舉權跟糾正權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].start |
12055.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].end |
12060.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3747].text |
雖然不能夠對於民意選出的立委來行使職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].start |
12060.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].end |
12065.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3748].text |
但是對於立法院的文官是可以行使相關的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].start |
12065.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].end |
12068.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3749].text |
這兩年多的立法院的違憲亂政 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].start |
12068.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].end |
12069.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3750].text |
我很遺憾的講 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].start |
12069.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].end |
12071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3751].text |
我們在場的很多文官 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].start |
12071.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].end |
12075.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3752].text |
無視與立法院相關的法規 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].start |
12075.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].end |
12077.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3753].text |
其實大法官來下言 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].start |
12077.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].end |
12080.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3754].text |
大法官解釋14號也很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].start |
12080.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].end |
12086.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3755].text |
監察權是可以對於各所屬機關的職員來行使權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].start |
12086.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].end |
12087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3756].text |
我只是要提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].start |
12087.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].end |
12092.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3757].text |
過去到現在對於立法院相關的案子調查只有三案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].start |
12093.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].end |
12095.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[3758].text |
對於這些文官沒有看守 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].start |
12096.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].end |
12100.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[3759].text |
應當依法卻配合著立法院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].start |
12117.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].end |
12120.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[3760].text |
法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].start |
12127.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].end |
12129.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3761].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].start |
12140.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].end |
12141.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[3762].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].start |
12141.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].end |
12144.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[3763].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].start |
12159.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].end |
12162.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3764].text |
監察權對於立法院行使的各項權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].start |
12162.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].end |
12165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3765].text |
過去到現在只有三個調查案 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].start |
12165.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].end |
12173.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3766].text |
其中兩案是針對具體有不當事件利益出動的臨襲三權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].start |
12174.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].end |
12177.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3767].text |
最偉大的投訴人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].start |
12177.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].end |
12179.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[3768].text |
我們也必須監察 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].start |
12181.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].end |
12183.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3769].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].start |
12183.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].end |
12185.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[3770].text |
謝謝吳慧媛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].start |
12191.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].end |
12193.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3771].text |
謝謝吳慧媛 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].start |
12193.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].end |
12199.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3772].text |
報告全院委員會對監察院副院長被提名人王榮章詢答部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].start |
12199.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].end |
12200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3773].text |
到此為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].start |
12200.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].end |
12203.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3774].text |
謝謝王被提名人列席答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].start |
12203.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].end |
12206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3775].text |
下午2點30分繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].start |
12206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].end |
12214.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3776].text |
進行對監察委員被提名人高天惠 張菊芳 張豐義之詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].start |
12214.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].end |
12215.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3777].text |
現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].start |
21627.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].end |
21630.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3778].text |
報告全院委員會現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].start |
21630.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].end |
21641.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3779].text |
今天下午分別審查監察委員被提名人高天惠 張菊芳 張豐義之資格及是否適任相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].start |
21641.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].end |
21642.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[3780].text |
審查時 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].start |
21643.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].end |
21647.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3781].text |
由被提名人說明5分鐘後再進行5位委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].start |
21647.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].end |
21651.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3782].text |
每位委員詢答時間10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].start |
21652.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].end |
21654.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3783].text |
採集問及答方式進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].start |
21654.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].end |
21658.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3784].text |
輪到詢問委員如果不在場 示威棄權 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].start |
21658.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].end |
21665.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3785].text |
現在先審查被提名人高天惠之資格相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].start |
21665.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].end |
21669.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3786].text |
請被提名人高天惠女士說明時間5分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].start |
21690.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].end |
21691.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[3787].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].start |
21692.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].end |
21693.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3788].text |
各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].start |
21694.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].end |
21696.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3789].text |
委員先生女士 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].start |
21697.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].end |
21699.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3790].text |
大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].start |
21700.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].end |
21702.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3791].text |
我是監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].start |
21702.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].end |
21705.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3792].text |
及國家人權委員會被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].start |
21705.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].end |
21707.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[3793].text |
讓大家馬上高天惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].start |
21707.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].end |
21710.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[3794].text |
非常感恩有幸對道願說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].start |
21711.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].end |
21716.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[3795].text |
我對監察院委員及人權保障工作的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].start |
21717.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].end |
21719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3796].text |
接受各位委員的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].start |
21719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].end |
21721.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3797].text |
請不設棄教 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].start |
21722.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].end |
21724.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[3798].text |
我是監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].start |
21723.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].end |
21724.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3799].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].start |
21724.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].end |
21726.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3800].text |
繼承了我父親的志業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].start |
21726.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].end |
21728.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3801].text |
教會的一個牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].start |
21729.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].end |
21732.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3802].text |
我出生在屏東縣北排灣族群 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].start |
21733.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].end |
21737.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3803].text |
這個族群是一個非常特殊的文化特質 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].start |
21737.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].end |
21739.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3804].text |
他的社會主成詩意 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].start |
21739.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].end |
21745.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3805].text |
世系的貴族階級制度與展示繼承制度傳統 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].start |
21745.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].end |
21747.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[3806].text |
支持我的身份背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].start |
21750.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].end |
21752.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3807].text |
屬於自由就被充權的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].start |
21753.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].end |
21758.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3808].text |
長世的身份讓我必須成為家族的一個領導者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].start |
21758.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].end |
21761.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3809].text |
也必須學習負擔整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].start |
21762.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].end |
21764.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3810].text |
家裡的這種事物 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].start |
21765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].end |
21767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[3811].text |
同時為世 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].start |
21767.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].end |
21769.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[3812].text |
一個傳統領袖 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].start |
21770.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].end |
21772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3813].text |
也是牧師的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].start |
21772.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].end |
21776.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3814].text |
讓我必須共同分擔部落的照顧青年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].start |
21776.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].end |
21782.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3815].text |
我父親是排灣族黨老教會第一任牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].start |
21782.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].end |
21786.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3816].text |
我也是排灣族第一任的一個女性牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].start |
21786.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].end |
21788.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3817].text |
我的生命的一個轉捩點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].start |
21788.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].end |
21792.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3818].text |
就是在1989年6月23號 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].start |
21794.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].end |
21796.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[3819].text |
我風牧為牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].start |
21797.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].end |
21799.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3820].text |
那個時候就了一個使命 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].start |
21799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].end |
21801.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[3821].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].start |
21801.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].end |
21803.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3822].text |
我身為一個牧者 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].start |
21803.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].end |
21806.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[3823].text |
除了教會內的一個宣教工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].start |
21807.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].end |
21809.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3824].text |
一個非常重要的理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].start |
21809.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].end |
21811.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[3825].text |
一個價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].start |
21811.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].end |
21817.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3826].text |
就是怎麼樣把自由公義平等的信仰信念和價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].start |
21817.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].end |
21820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3827].text |
透過行動和宣揚 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].start |
21820.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].end |
21828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3828].text |
讓牠能夠真正在部落在社區及大社會中活絡幾十件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].start |
21828.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].end |
21831.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3829].text |
立即信仰核心價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].start |
21831.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].end |
21835.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3830].text |
就是我光懷弱勢的一個非常大的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].start |
21835.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].end |
21837.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3831].text |
就在1988年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].start |
21837.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].end |
21839.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3832].text |
排灣基督黨老教會總會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].start |
21839.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].end |
21841.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3833].text |
響應了WCC |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].start |
21841.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].end |
21845.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3834].text |
是牧師教學團學婦女十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].start |
21845.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].end |
21848.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3835].text |
那個時候我們總會的一個策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].start |
21848.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].end |
21852.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3836].text |
也就是在排灣這個地方設五個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].start |
21852.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].end |
21855.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3837].text |
排灣是其中一個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].start |
21855.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].end |
21858.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[3838].text |
1993年正式成立的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].start |
21859.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].end |
21861.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3839].text |
成立這個婦女光懷工作室 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].start |
21861.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].end |
21865.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3840].text |
我被聘任為兼任的一個婦女幹事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].start |
21865.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].end |
21867.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3841].text |
那我最感為興奮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].start |
21869.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].end |
21871.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[3842].text |
就是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].start |
21871.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].end |
21873.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[3843].text |
成立了一個文化成長班 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].start |
21874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].end |
21876.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[3844].text |
然後我們部落的婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].start |
21877.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].end |
21882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3845].text |
他們非常這種願意接受這樣的一個裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].start |
21882.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].end |
21886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3846].text |
那每次他們從這個不同的山頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].start |
21886.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].end |
21888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3847].text |
部落不吃辛勞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].start |
21888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].end |
21890.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3848].text |
下山到屏東市 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].start |
21890.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].end |
21893.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3849].text |
只是一個為了追求 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].start |
21893.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].end |
21895.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3850].text |
在學識上的一個認知 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].start |
21895.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].end |
21898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3851].text |
所以我們從聖經來著墨 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].start |
21898.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].end |
21901.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3852].text |
那過去是男性的主義 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].start |
21901.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].end |
21904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3853].text |
來詮釋這個聖經 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].start |
21904.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].end |
21907.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3854].text |
那後來透過我們的學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].start |
21907.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].end |
21911.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3855].text |
我們重新研讀聖經裡的故事與教導 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].start |
21911.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].end |
21915.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3856].text |
讓過去以男性眼光解讀的神學詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].start |
21915.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].end |
21917.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3857].text |
得到更好的平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].start |
21917.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].end |
21920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3858].text |
讓婦女們逐漸瞭解 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].start |
21920.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].end |
21922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3859].text |
兩性之間的差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].start |
21922.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].end |
21924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3860].text |
在於角色的不同 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].start |
21924.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].end |
21929.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3861].text |
而非天生身份有歸見之分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].start |
21929.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].end |
21931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3862].text |
然後我們也一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].start |
21931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].end |
21934.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3863].text |
也一樣的深入我們的服務範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].start |
21935.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].end |
21940.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3864].text |
我們設立了婦女光懷學會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].start |
21940.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].end |
21943.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3865].text |
那在那個地方我們也學習 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].start |
21943.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].end |
21947.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3866].text |
來接案這個公部門的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].start |
21947.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].end |
21951.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3867].text |
讓我們跟公部門能夠合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].start |
21951.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].end |
21954.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3868].text |
我們成立了婦女書院 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].start |
21954.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].end |
21957.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3869].text |
我們的服務退展到部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].start |
21957.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].end |
21960.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3870].text |
那2001年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].start |
21960.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].end |
21963.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3871].text |
我更與一群女性同工 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].start |
21963.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].end |
21966.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3872].text |
我們把原先的組織能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].start |
21966.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].end |
21968.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3873].text |
成立了社團法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].start |
21968.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].end |
21972.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3874].text |
屏東縣原住民水擔當光懷學會 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].start |
21972.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].end |
21975.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3875].text |
我們著手規劃部落婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].start |
21975.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].end |
21980.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3876].text |
開始學習民族政治的一個啟蒙教育 |
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21980.47 |
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21983.47 |
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當年我剛好也被聘為 |
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21983.47 |
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21986.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3878].text |
原民會的性別小組委員會 |
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21986.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[3879].end |
21990.47 |
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那參與公部門的人權的推動工作 |
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21990.47 |
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21992.47 |
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我更廣泛認知到 |
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21992.47 |
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21994.47 |
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部落遭到的各種權益 |
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22010.92 |
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22013.92 |
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其他的我們以書面好不好 |
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22013.92 |
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22016.92 |
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沒有講完的部分我們用書面說明 |
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22018.8 |
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22020.8 |
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謝謝高被提名人質說明 |
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22024.27 |
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22026.27 |
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現在進行委員詢問 |
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22026.27 |
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22028.27 |
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首先請林委員處英詢問 |
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22050.32 |
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22051.32 |
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謝謝主席 |
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22053.32 |
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主席有請高被提名人 |
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22053.66 |
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22055.66 |
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請高被提名人備詢 |
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22067.5 |
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拜提名人您好 |
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22069.38 |
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22070.38 |
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你好 |
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22070.38 |
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22073.38 |
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首次站上這個立法院 |
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22073.38 |
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22076.38 |
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可能剛剛您只有五分鐘的時間 |
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22076.97 |
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22077.97 |
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那麼 |
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22078.15 |
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22081.15 |
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可能有一些您未來當做監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].start |
22081.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3896].end |
22084.54 |
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可能想要做的這些想法跟做法 |
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22084.54 |
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22085.54 |
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也許時間不夠 |
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22085.54 |
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22089.54 |
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所以我想既然我是第一位質詢的 |
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22089.54 |
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22090.54 |
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我就想請問您 |
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22090.54 |
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22093.54 |
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過去您曾經擔任過總統府的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].start |
22093.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3901].end |
22098.54 |
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原住民族歷史正義與轉型正義委員會的委員 |
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22098.54 |
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22100.54 |
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而您剛剛也提到了 |
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22100.54 |
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22101.54 |
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您本身是一個牧師 |
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22101.54 |
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22104.54 |
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長期關注的就是原住民族的權益 |
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22104.54 |
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22106.54 |
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以及婦女的權益 |
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22106.54 |
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22108.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3906].text |
如果身為監察委員 |
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22108.54 |
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22112.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3907].text |
您認為在原住民族相關的權益 |
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22112.54 |
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22113.54 |
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尤其是在您的書面報告 |
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22113.54 |
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22117.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3909].text |
特別提到有關於弱勢部落的維護 |
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22117.54 |
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22119.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3910].text |
那麼您會認為有哪一些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[3911].start |
22119.54 |
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22121.54 |
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是您擔任監委之後 |
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22121.54 |
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22123.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[3912].text |
會主動去關心了解 |
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22123.54 |
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22125.54 |
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甚至於調查的部分 |
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22126.29 |
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22128.29 |
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謝謝委員 |
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22128.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].end |
22129.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[3915].text |
呃 |
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22130.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].end |
22133.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[3916].text |
如何把我在第一線的服務經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].start |
22134.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[3917].end |
22137.46 |
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能夠轉化為監察的一個專業 |
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22138.73 |
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22140.73 |
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這個是我在思考的問題 |
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22141.79 |
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22145.79 |
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那我深信這個監察院的專業是一個多元性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].start |
22146.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[3920].end |
22148.58 |
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不應該就停在學裡 |
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22149.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].end |
22151.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[3921].text |
或者是職業背景的組合 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].start |
22152.5 |
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22156.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[3922].text |
他也應該包括了第一線的一個服務 |
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22156.82 |
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22159.82 |
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那第一線的服務非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].start |
22159.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3924].end |
22161.82 |
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就是群聼民眾 |
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22161.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].end |
22164.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3925].text |
然後發現制度問題的能力 |
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22164.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3926].end |
22167.82 |
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那本人長期在屏東部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].start |
22167.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3927].end |
22169.82 |
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從事這個幕會 |
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22169.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].end |
22173.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[3928].text |
然後還有社會服務民間的團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].start |
22174.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[3929].end |
22176.66 |
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那我常常這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].start |
22179.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].end |
22182.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[3930].text |
我用三個面向來在這個地方來做回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].start |
22183.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[3931].end |
22183.92 |
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第一個 |
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22184.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].end |
22187.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3932].text |
要學習一個會傾聽 |
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22187.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].end |
22189.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3933].text |
然後整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].start |
22190.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].end |
22193.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[3934].text |
力不足調查案件的前端 |
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22194.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].end |
22196.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[3935].text |
過去在部落服務的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].start |
22196.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].end |
22198.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3936].text |
民眾陳述問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].start |
22198.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].end |
22200.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3937].text |
往往要反覆傾聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].start |
22200.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].end |
22204.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[3938].text |
追問才能理清他們真正的困境 |
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22206.1 |
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22209.1 |
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但是尤其是在那個2001年 |
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22209.1 |
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22212.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3940].text |
當學校被踩拼的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].start |
22212.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[3941].end |
22213.1 |
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我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].start |
22213.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].end |
22217.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3942].text |
整個部落陷入到一個非常邊緣 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].start |
22217.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3943].end |
22220.49 |
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又邊緣的在那個地方 |
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22220.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].end |
22223.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3944].text |
就學習了怎麼聆聽部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].start |
22223.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].end |
22225.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3945].text |
怎麼聆聽婦女的一個故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].start |
22225.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].end |
22227.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3946].text |
那個非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].start |
22227.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].end |
22228.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3947].text |
在這個地方 |
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22228.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].end |
22231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3948].text |
我就覺得如果我在第一線 |
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22231.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].end |
22233.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3949].text |
一個學會聆聽 |
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22233.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].end |
22239.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3950].text |
然後他們的困境轉化為具體的 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].start |
22239.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].end |
22241.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3951].text |
應該可以對應機關 |
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22241.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].end |
22243.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[3952].text |
這個跟這些 |
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22245.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].end |
22247.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3953].text |
資源的提案的能力 |
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22247.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].end |
22250.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3954].text |
然後跟監察院受理陳情 |
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22250.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].end |
22254.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3955].text |
決定是否立案調查這邏輯三通 |
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22254.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].end |
22256.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[3956].text |
那第二個我也這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].start |
22257.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].end |
22260.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[3957].text |
與調查人員能夠分工合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].start |
22261.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].end |
22265.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3958].text |
補足前端不是要取代專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].start |
22265.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].end |
22271.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3959].text |
我非常相信監察院調查這個官 |
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22271.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].end |
22274.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[3960].text |
他具備了紮實的一個法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].start |
22274.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].end |
22276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3961].text |
跟這個行政的一個訓練 |
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22276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].end |
22280.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3962].text |
擅長依法認定機關的維持 |
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22280.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].end |
22283.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3963].text |
到這個檢查調查之核心 |
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22283.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].end |
22284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[3964].text |
本人 |
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22285.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].end |
22289.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[3965].text |
絕對相信我的第一線的一個資料 |
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22290.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[3966].end |
22292.25 |
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透過的這個 |
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22293.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[3967].end |
22295.37 |
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專業 |
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22295.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[3968].end |
22297.01 |
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這個生活的一個困境 |
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22297.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].end |
22300.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[3969].text |
會變成可以立案的一個門檻 |
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22301.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3970].end |
22306.02 |
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然後不是僅處於就處其表面而已 |
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22306.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[3971].end |
22308.02 |
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所以在我擔任這個 |
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22309.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[3972].end |
22311.03 |
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總統委員的時候 |
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22312.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].end |
22313.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[3973].text |
還有這個 |
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22314.43 |
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22316.43 |
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處長會的委員的時候 |
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22316.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].end |
22318.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[3975].text |
已經有這樣的一個類似的一個經驗 |
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22319.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3976].end |
22322.75 |
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就像吳寶中移國訪翻案 |
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22322.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].end |
22326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3977].text |
還有卓西所留單的事件增向調查 |
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22326.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].end |
22330.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3978].text |
還有周竹杜孝生案件的平反 |
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22330.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].end |
22334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3979].text |
這個都是本人在部落反查 |
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22334.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].end |
22339.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3980].text |
勤聽其老家屬或專家敘述的過程 |
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22339.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].end |
22341.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[3981].text |
然後發掘 |
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22342.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].end |
22345.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3982].text |
成為一個案件的線索一脈絡 |
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22345.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].end |
22349.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[3983].text |
再交給這個檔案調閱 |
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22349.97 |
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隨處研究等專業單位進行 |
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正式的調查考證 |
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最後促成了疑苦訪翻 |
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22360.97 |
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還原這個歷史真相 |
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平反不但的判決 |
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然後在第一線發掘 |
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22370.35 |
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專業單位查證的豐功模式 |
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22370.35 |
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22374.35 |
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正是本人未來擔任監察委員以後 |
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希望跟這些調查人員 |
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22377.35 |
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22379.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3993].text |
建立一個合作的一個模式 |
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22380.18 |
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22384.18 |
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然後由本人協助提出線索 |
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與問題脈絡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[3996].end |
22390.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[3996].text |
再由專業調查人員依法 |
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22394.18 |
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定程序查證認定責任 |
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22394.18 |
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22399.18 |
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然後現在延伸到這個監察的一個服務 |
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22399.18 |
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把這個入室族群 |
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22404.18 |
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跟邊鄉部落 |
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22408.18 |
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本人將運用過去的建立 |
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22408.75 |
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22410.75 |
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部落的一個信任關係 |
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22410.75 |
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22413.75 |
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主動協助原住民族婦女 |
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22413.75 |
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22416.75 |
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港老等他們不熟悉 |
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22416.75 |
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22420.75 |
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陳情程序的民眾 |
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22420.75 |
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22422.75 |
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可以他們的問題 |
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22422.75 |
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22426.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4007].text |
進入到監察院調查程序 |
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22426.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].end |
22431.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4008].text |
若使監察服務向下延伸 |
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22432.26 |
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22435.26 |
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查清問題請為第一步 |
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22435.8 |
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22439.8 |
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本人也要將每件調查案 |
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22440.05 |
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22443.05 |
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除了使出機關的委事外 |
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22443.87 |
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22447.87 |
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應該提出具體可行的改善意見 |
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22447.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4013].end |
22451.87 |
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並追蹤後續任改善情形 |
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22451.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].end |
22455.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4014].text |
發揮監察防備與信利制 |
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22455.87 |
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22457.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4015].text |
酸重功能 |
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22458.87 |
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好 高級民人 |
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22458.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].end |
22460.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4017].text |
我其實從你的這個三點 |
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22460.87 |
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22463.87 |
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可以看到你確實是真的有備而來 |
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22463.87 |
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22465.87 |
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而且對於我們原住民族的權益 |
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22465.87 |
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22467.87 |
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尤其是弱勢的原住民族 |
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22470.87 |
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在第一線所面臨的陳情案 |
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22470.87 |
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22472.87 |
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其實是非常的關注 |
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22476.87 |
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但是如果根據監察院歷年來的統計 |
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22476.87 |
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22480.87 |
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會發現說每年人民的請願案 |
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22480.87 |
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22484.87 |
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一年就高達了15000件 |
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22486.87 |
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等於是說一個月當中 |
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22489.87 |
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大概就將近有1300件 |
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22492.87 |
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但是我們知道除了人民的請願 |
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關係到人民的權利之外 |
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22496.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4030].text |
其實更重要的是 |
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22501.87 |
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我們都知道國家人權委員會的成員 |
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22501.87 |
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22503.87 |
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是由監察委員來兼任的 |
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22503.87 |
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22506.87 |
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可是他們在今年的7月31號 |
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22506.87 |
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22509.87 |
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也就是上個月底就已經戒滿了 |
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22509.87 |
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22511.87 |
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那麼言下之意 |
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22511.87 |
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22513.87 |
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就是現在國家人權委員會 |
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22513.87 |
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22516.87 |
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是一個實質無法運作的狀況 |
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22516.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].end |
22519.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4038].text |
但是我不知道監委有沒有注意到 |
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22519.87 |
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22521.87 |
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就是今年的11月 |
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22521.87 |
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22524.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4040].text |
台灣要舉行身心障礙者權利公約的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].start |
22524.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].end |
22528.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4041].text |
第三次國家報告的國際審查 |
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22528.87 |
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22530.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4042].text |
明年2027年也會有兒童權利公約的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].start |
22530.87 |
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22534.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4043].text |
第三次的國家報告的國際審查 |
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22534.87 |
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22537.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4044].text |
那麼這兩個都是由衛福部 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].start |
22537.87 |
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22539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4045].text |
來提出國家級的報告 |
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22539.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].end |
22543.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4046].text |
要交給監察院來做報告的審核 |
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22543.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4047].end |
22545.87 |
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那我們都知道監察院 |
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22545.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].end |
22548.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4048].text |
必須在巴黎公約的情況底下 |
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22548.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].end |
22551.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4049].text |
作為一個獨立的行使的機構 |
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22551.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].end |
22553.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4050].text |
但是如果說現在 |
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22553.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].end |
22555.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4051].text |
呈現國家人權委員會 |
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22555.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].end |
22558.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4052].text |
空轉甚至於不能說是空轉 |
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22558.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].end |
22560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4053].text |
是整個停頓的狀況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].start |
22560.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].end |
22562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4054].text |
剛剛您所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].start |
22562.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].end |
22564.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4055].text |
所訴求的是要保障弱勢 |
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22566.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].end |
22568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4056].text |
保障部落權益 |
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22568.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].end |
22569.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4057].text |
保障婦女 |
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22569.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].end |
22571.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4058].text |
但是現在等於形同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].start |
22571.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].end |
22574.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4059].text |
無法運作的狀況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].start |
22574.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].end |
22576.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4060].text |
那麼您認為這樣的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].start |
22576.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].end |
22577.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4061].text |
要如何來面對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].start |
22577.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].end |
22579.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[4062].text |
那麼未來還可以繼續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].start |
22580.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].end |
22583.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4063].text |
發揮捍衛你想捍衛的弱勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].start |
22583.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].end |
22585.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4064].text |
或是原住民族的權利嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].start |
22586.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].end |
22587.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4065].text |
好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].start |
22587.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].end |
22592.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4066].text |
是的這個是國際人權委員會 |
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22592.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].end |
22595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4067].text |
可能也在他們擔心的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].start |
22595.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].end |
22598.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4068].text |
那現在是已經是空轉時期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].start |
22598.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].end |
22603.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4069].text |
那剛好這個CRC跟這個CRPD |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].start |
22603.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].end |
22607.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4070].text |
他們今年在這個國際的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].start |
22607.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].end |
22609.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4071].text |
這個是一個非常可貴的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].start |
22609.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].end |
22614.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4072].text |
是臺灣少數能夠與國際人權體系接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].start |
22614.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].end |
22616.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4073].text |
表示人權治理成果的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].start |
22616.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].end |
22618.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4074].text |
非常重要的一個產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].start |
22619.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].end |
22622.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4075].text |
若國家人權委員會因人力不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].start |
22623.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].end |
22625.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4076].text |
而無法妥善準備報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].start |
22626.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].end |
22628.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4077].text |
然後參與審查對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].start |
22628.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].end |
22631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4078].text |
或者是提出具體的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].start |
22631.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].end |
22634.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4079].text |
不僅是會使審查過程 |
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22634.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].end |
22636.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4080].text |
流於形式 |
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22636.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].end |
22638.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4081].text |
更可能讓國際專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].start |
22638.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].end |
22642.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4082].text |
對臺灣人權機制的獨立性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].start |
22642.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].end |
22645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4083].text |
能力與誠意產生質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].start |
22645.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].end |
22647.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4084].text |
對臺灣產企 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].start |
22647.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].end |
22650.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4085].text |
爭取國際人權社群認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].start |
22650.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].end |
22653.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4086].text |
鞏固隨不適聯合國會員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].start |
22653.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].end |
22655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4087].text |
但是仍積極 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].start |
22655.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].end |
22657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4088].text |
力行公約之努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].start |
22657.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].end |
22660.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4089].text |
會形成實質的一個損傷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].start |
22660.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].end |
22663.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4090].text |
那另外本人也一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].start |
22663.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[4091].end |
22666.47 |
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會運用產企在原住民主 |
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22666.47 |
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偏鄉部落 |
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22668.47 |
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22672.47 |
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進入一個信任的一個晚宴 |
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22672.47 |
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22673.47 |
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協助受到 |
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22690.59 |
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22692.59 |
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好 謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].start |
22694.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].end |
22696.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4096].text |
現在我們請林茜琪委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4097].start |
22708.62 |
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22711.62 |
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主席 各位同仁大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4098].start |
22711.62 |
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22713.62 |
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我們請貝提明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].start |
22713.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].end |
22715.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4099].text |
高庭明人 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].start |
22715.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4100].end |
22718.62 |
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我們請貝提明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].start |
22728.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4101].end |
22731.72 |
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我們高貝提明人你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].start |
22733.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].end |
22737.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4102].text |
今天我想就關於監察院相關的議題 |
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22739.06 |
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22742.06 |
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在職權的這個部分還有在 |
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22742.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4104].end |
22744.32 |
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關於查查的這個部分 |
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22744.32 |
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22746.32 |
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跟您做個請教 |
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22746.35 |
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22749.35 |
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那就本席對您資料的了解 |
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22749.35 |
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22752.35 |
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那因為您應該是玉山神學院畢業的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].start |
22752.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4108].end |
22754.69 |
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你有在玉山 對吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[4109].start |
22754.89 |
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22755.89 |
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有過嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].start |
22755.99 |
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22756.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4110].text |
有 |
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22759.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4111].end |
22760.28 |
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是 是的 |
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22760.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4112].end |
22762.28 |
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因為我過去也在那邊教書 |
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22762.28 |
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22764.28 |
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所以對玉神有一些了解 |
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22764.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].end |
22767.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4114].text |
所以有一些相關的這個背景 |
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22767.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].end |
22769.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4115].text |
所以本席就要針對 |
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22769.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].end |
22772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4116].text |
有關於監察院的這個職權 |
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22772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].end |
22774.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4117].text |
和我們原住民族的權益 |
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22774.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].end |
22777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4118].text |
這邊來跟您做一個請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].start |
22777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].end |
22778.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4119].text |
首先呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].start |
22778.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].end |
22781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4120].text |
本席請教有關於監察院最基本的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].start |
22781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].end |
22785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4121].text |
那麼面對社會長期存在著 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].start |
22785.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].end |
22787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4122].text |
廢除監察院的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].start |
22787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].end |
22789.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4123].text |
那麼您個人的立場是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].start |
22790.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].end |
22794.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4124].text |
你認為監察院在現在五權憲政的架構之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].start |
22794.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].end |
22797.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4125].text |
最不可被取代的功能是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].start |
22800.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4126].end |
22801.7 |
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好 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].start |
22802.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].end |
22804.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4127].text |
那在這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].start |
22804.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].end |
22807.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4128].text |
監察院的這個除非與否 |
| transcript.whisperx[4129].start |
22807.37 |
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22811.37 |
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就是目前很熱門的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].start |
22812.18 |
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22814.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4130].text |
那在我的這種認知上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].start |
22815.5 |
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22817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4131].text |
因為這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].start |
22818.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].end |
22823.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4132].text |
監察院是屬於憲政城市的核心議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].start |
22824.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].end |
22826.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4133].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].start |
22825.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].end |
22827.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4134].text |
在那個徵修條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].start |
22828.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].end |
22832.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4135].text |
也明定憲政體制更是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].start |
22832.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].end |
22834.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4136].text |
變更這個憲政體制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].start |
22834.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].end |
22837.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4137].text |
更是一個非常重大的議題 |
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22837.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].end |
22840.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4138].text |
現在我們還沒有提到變更的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].start |
22840.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4139].end |
22842.36 |
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所以你認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].start |
22842.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].end |
22845.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4140].text |
監察院這不可以被取代的功能是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].start |
22846.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].end |
22848.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4141].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].start |
22847.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].end |
22850.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4142].text |
所以那個監察院被取代的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].start |
22850.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].end |
22852.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4143].text |
這不能被取代的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].start |
22852.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].end |
22855.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4144].text |
我深信這個監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].start |
22855.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].end |
22859.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4145].text |
它有具備的一個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].start |
22860.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].end |
22863.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4146].text |
如果按照這個監察法我們在看的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].start |
22863.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4147].end |
22867.07 |
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真的是一個國家一個非常重要的一個區 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].start |
22867.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].end |
22869.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4148].text |
最高機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].start |
22869.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].end |
22875.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4149].text |
可以監察各個這個院會所謂的五權分立 |
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22876.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].end |
22878.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4150].text |
所以監察院要監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].start |
22878.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].end |
22881.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4151].text |
跟查查五權正義這是您的看法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].start |
22881.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].end |
22884.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4152].text |
所以他們這不能被取代的功能是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].start |
22885.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].end |
22889.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4153].text |
這個是我尊重因為畢竟我不是在這個地方在做研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].start |
22889.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].end |
22893.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4154].text |
那我非常會尊重國會的這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].start |
22893.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].end |
22896.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4155].text |
是倡議還是議決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].start |
22896.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].end |
22899.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4156].text |
或者是公民的這種想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].start |
22899.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].end |
22902.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4157].text |
如果您尊重國會的議決的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].start |
22902.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].end |
22905.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4158].text |
那本席這邊先做一個背景的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].start |
22905.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].end |
22908.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4159].text |
然後我們就針對您剛才談到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].start |
22908.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].end |
22910.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4160].text |
尊重國會的議決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].start |
22910.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].end |
22912.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4161].text |
所以本席用這個問題打頭陣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].start |
22912.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].end |
22914.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4162].text |
尊重國會的議決的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].start |
22914.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].end |
22918.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4163].text |
就是因為第六屆的這個監委的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].start |
22918.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].end |
22922.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4164].text |
讓社會對於監察制度有很大的疑慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].start |
22922.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].end |
22924.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4165].text |
這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].start |
22924.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].end |
22928.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4166].text |
包括不知道你知不知道在第六屆的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].start |
22928.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].end |
22932.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4167].text |
其實大量的使用一些委託調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].start |
22932.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].end |
22936.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4168].text |
那我想監察委員本身應該有調查的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].start |
22936.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].end |
22938.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4169].text |
也有調查的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].start |
22938.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].end |
22939.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4170].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].start |
22939.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].end |
22941.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4171].text |
如果您用太大量的委託調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].start |
22941.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].end |
22944.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4172].text |
那你覺得監察委員自己的功能又是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].start |
22944.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].end |
22946.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4173].text |
那除了這點之外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].start |
22946.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].end |
22949.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4174].text |
我想您也知道有關於一些公務車的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].start |
22949.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].end |
22953.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4175].text |
那麼院會經常開會很短就結束了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].start |
22953.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].end |
22955.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4176].text |
那本席要請你思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].start |
22955.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].end |
22959.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4177].text |
如果人民看到一個應該監督政府的憲政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].start |
22959.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].end |
22961.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4178].text |
最重要的是監督政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].start |
22961.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].end |
22965.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4179].text |
這個應該是監察院不能被取代的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].start |
22965.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].end |
22967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4180].text |
那自己卻不斷發生了行政管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].start |
22967.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].end |
22969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4181].text |
公務資源使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].start |
22969.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].end |
22973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4182].text |
甚至職權使用行使的效能上的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].start |
22973.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].end |
22976.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4183].text |
那麼人民為什麼要相信監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].start |
22976.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].end |
22978.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4184].text |
所以如果你有機會成為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].start |
22978.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].end |
22980.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4185].text |
你認為第七屆監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].start |
22980.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].end |
22984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4186].text |
最需要檢討的跟要被改變的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].start |
22984.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].end |
22987.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4187].text |
怎麼樣做才能讓人民來相信監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].start |
22987.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].end |
22989.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4188].text |
那所以本席要用最近的案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].start |
22989.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].end |
22991.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4189].text |
跟您做一下提點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].start |
22991.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].end |
22993.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4190].text |
剛才問題的一個補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].start |
22993.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].end |
22995.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4191].text |
所以最近行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].start |
22995.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].end |
22998.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4192].text |
對於立法院三讀通過的裁劃法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].start |
22998.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].end |
23000.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4193].text |
採取不附屬的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].start |
23000.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].end |
23003.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4194].text |
使法律無法完成公布施行程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].start |
23003.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].end |
23007.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4195].text |
造成行政跟立法權的憲政衝突 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].start |
23007.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].end |
23010.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4196].text |
立法院的司法及法治委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].start |
23010.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].end |
23014.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4197].text |
也決議以請監察院處理彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].start |
23014.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].end |
23020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4198].text |
那之後更有立法委員正式向監察院來遞交懲情書 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].start |
23020.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].end |
23024.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4199].text |
要求調查行政院長有沒有涉及重大為師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4200].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[4200].end |
23026.6 |
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結果等了七個多月 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].start |
23026.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].end |
23028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4201].text |
那最近監察院回覆說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].start |
23028.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].end |
23030.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4202].text |
不予立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].start |
23030.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].end |
23032.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4203].text |
甚至連具體的理由都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].start |
23032.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].end |
23033.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4204].text |
你認為這樣的處理方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].start |
23033.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].end |
23036.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4205].text |
監察院作為最高監察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].start |
23036.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].end |
23038.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4206].text |
這是應有的責任嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].start |
23039.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].end |
23041.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4207].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].start |
23041.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].end |
23043.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4208].text |
那關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].start |
23043.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].end |
23046.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4209].text |
剛剛所說的第六屆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].start |
23046.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].end |
23051.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4210].text |
關於這個案件的這個多管 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].start |
23051.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].end |
23054.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4211].text |
也就是你覺得如果您被選上了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].start |
23054.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].end |
23056.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4212].text |
那麼第七屆的監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].start |
23056.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].end |
23057.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4213].text |
這應該要改變什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].start |
23057.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].end |
23059.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4214].text |
才能夠讓大家幸福 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].start |
23059.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].end |
23062.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4215].text |
那本席剛才用剛才剛有了這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].start |
23062.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].end |
23063.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4216].text |
跟您做個補充 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].start |
23063.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].end |
23064.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4217].text |
所以您的看法是如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].start |
23064.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].end |
23066.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4218].text |
所以本庭的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].start |
23066.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].end |
23072.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4219].text |
也是一個非常深切了解國家機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].start |
23072.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].end |
23075.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4220].text |
都背負了一個公眾的托付 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].start |
23075.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].end |
23078.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4221].text |
所以你覺得監察院應不應該要立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].start |
23079.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].end |
23081.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4222].text |
剛才本席講的這個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].start |
23081.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].end |
23083.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4223].text |
剛剛關於這個人事問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].start |
23083.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].end |
23085.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4224].text |
我比較困難做回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].start |
23085.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].end |
23087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4225].text |
因為好像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].start |
23087.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].end |
23088.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4226].text |
應該不是人事問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].start |
23088.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].end |
23091.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4227].text |
這個是立法院送了一個案到監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].start |
23091.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].end |
23095.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4228].text |
那監察院回覆不立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].start |
23095.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].end |
23097.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4229].text |
那您覺得這個監察院這樣子的回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].start |
23098.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].end |
23099.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4230].text |
恰當嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].start |
23100.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].end |
23102.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4231].text |
因為關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].start |
23102.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].end |
23107.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4232].text |
一定要實際的了解整個內容跟來龍去脈 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].start |
23107.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].end |
23110.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4233].text |
那在一個地方深度了解的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].start |
23110.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].end |
23114.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4234].text |
你才可以有一個比較正確的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].start |
23114.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].end |
23118.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4235].text |
這個案子應該是最近大家蠻熟知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].start |
23118.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].end |
23120.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4236].text |
也就是立法院立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].start |
23120.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].end |
23123.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4237].text |
我們也確定了這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].start |
23123.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].end |
23124.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4238].text |
我們送到了監察院去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].start |
23124.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].end |
23126.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4239].text |
結果監察院回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].start |
23126.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].end |
23127.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4240].text |
那不立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].start |
23127.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].end |
23130.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4241].text |
所以如果你是一個監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].start |
23130.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].end |
23133.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4242].text |
針對人民或者是公務體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].start |
23133.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].end |
23136.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4243].text |
覺得不公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].start |
23136.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].end |
23139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4244].text |
然後而送出的希望監察院來立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].start |
23139.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].end |
23141.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4245].text |
但是你們回覆了不立案調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].start |
23141.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].end |
23143.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4246].text |
您覺得這樣子是恰當的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].start |
23144.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].end |
23146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4247].text |
還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].start |
23146.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].end |
23149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4248].text |
我也有看到這樣的一個文本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].start |
23149.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].end |
23150.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4249].text |
所以您覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].start |
23150.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].end |
23153.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4250].text |
如果您有機會當監察委員的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].start |
23154.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].end |
23155.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4251].text |
針對這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].start |
23155.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].end |
23156.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4252].text |
那您覺得要立案調查嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].start |
23156.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].end |
23158.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4253].text |
我想內文都非常清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].start |
23158.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].end |
23160.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4254].text |
如果有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].start |
23160.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].end |
23163.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4255].text |
有這個榮幸當這個監察委員的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].start |
23163.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].end |
23166.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4256].text |
一定是會去深度了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].start |
23166.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].end |
23168.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4257].text |
然後他有他的必要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].start |
23168.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].end |
23170.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4258].text |
大家都會去深度了解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].start |
23170.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].end |
23175.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4259].text |
所以你會不會花很多時間在深度了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].start |
23175.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].end |
23179.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4260].text |
但是可能答案沒有在沒有辦法在一定的時間內給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].start |
23179.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].end |
23180.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4261].text |
會不會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].start |
23181.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].end |
23182.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4262].text |
我們會思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].start |
23182.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].end |
23183.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4263].text |
您思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].start |
23183.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].end |
23184.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4264].text |
那針對這案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].start |
23184.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].end |
23186.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4265].text |
如果我們沒有得到你的答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].start |
23186.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].end |
23188.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4266].text |
那我們也很難知道您的態度是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].start |
23188.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].end |
23189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4267].text |
我比較可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].start |
23189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].end |
23192.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4268].text |
因為這個案是最近大家都討論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].start |
23192.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].end |
23194.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4269].text |
所以也希望您針對這個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].start |
23194.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].end |
23197.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4270].text |
能夠有一個態度跟想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].start |
23197.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].end |
23204.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4271].text |
好那接下來本席就針對有關於原住民的議題來跟您就教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].start |
23207.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].end |
23209.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4272].text |
我相信你我身為一個原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].start |
23209.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].end |
23213.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4273].text |
對原住民的這個正義一定是非常重視的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].start |
23214.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].end |
23217.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4274].text |
那剛才本席問您的是有關於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].start |
23217.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].end |
23220.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4275].text |
監察院對行政院或者是立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].start |
23220.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].end |
23224.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4276].text |
或者是其他的寺院有相關的為師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].start |
23225.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].end |
23227.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4277].text |
有提出一些案件的這個請求 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].start |
23227.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].end |
23230.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4278].text |
但是可能您的態度還不太明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].start |
23230.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].end |
23232.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4279].text |
您說要深入的這個了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].start |
23232.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].end |
23235.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4280].text |
那但是我相信長期在原住民的領域裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].start |
23235.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].end |
23238.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4281].text |
你對於源泉運動應該是非常了解的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].start |
23238.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].end |
23239.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4282].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].start |
23239.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].end |
23241.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4283].text |
那您大概對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].start |
23241.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].end |
23244.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4284].text |
原住民的議題您最關注的可不可以再 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].start |
23245.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].end |
23248.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4285].text |
十秒鐘之內根本是講您關注的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].start |
23251.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].end |
23253.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4286].text |
那原住民您關注的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].start |
23253.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].end |
23256.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4287].text |
好那正貴這個針對這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].start |
23256.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].end |
23258.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4288].text |
也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].start |
23258.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].end |
23262.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4289].text |
這個可能就是要更深入去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].start |
23262.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].end |
23264.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4290].text |
您已經有這個經驗了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].start |
23264.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].end |
23265.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4291].text |
您還要再深入的了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].start |
23265.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].end |
23268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4292].text |
您的經驗裡面對原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].start |
23268.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].end |
23270.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4293].text |
我想您剛才其實在回答前一位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].start |
23270.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].end |
23272.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4294].text |
都有講到一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].start |
23272.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].end |
23274.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4295].text |
只是本席要跟您再確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].start |
23274.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].end |
23276.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4296].text |
所以其實您有一些關注的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].start |
23276.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].end |
23279.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4297].text |
但是您剛才可能對本席的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].start |
23279.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].end |
23281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4298].text |
也有一些想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].start |
23281.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].end |
23283.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4299].text |
也沒有回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].start |
23283.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].end |
23285.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4300].text |
本席想要跟您請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].start |
23285.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].end |
23287.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4301].text |
我想您先前是在原轉會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].start |
23287.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4302].end |
23289.88 |
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那應該您在原轉會做一些努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].start |
23289.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].end |
23292.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4303].text |
但是本席剛才其實也給您一些機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].start |
23292.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].end |
23294.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4304].text |
來針對您的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].start |
23294.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].end |
23296.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4305].text |
做一些確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].start |
23296.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].end |
23298.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4306].text |
但是這個部分本席沒有聽到答案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].start |
23298.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].end |
23300.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4307].text |
那本席就先問您 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].start |
23300.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].end |
23302.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4308].text |
你也看到本席的牌子這邊談到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].start |
23302.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].end |
23304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4309].text |
原住民的民族正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].start |
23304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].end |
23306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4310].text |
你如果有機會作為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].start |
23306.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].end |
23310.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4311].text |
你要如何處理蔡英文總統已經答應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].start |
23310.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].end |
23312.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4312].text |
而且跟原住民道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].start |
23313.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].end |
23315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4313].text |
但是行政單位一直沒有送出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].start |
23315.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].end |
23317.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4314].text |
原住民的土地權法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].start |
23317.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].end |
23319.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4315].text |
自治法的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].start |
23319.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].end |
23321.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4316].text |
第二您在原轉會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].start |
23321.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].end |
23323.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4317].text |
在2017年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].start |
23323.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].end |
23325.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4318].text |
還有馬耀等族人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].start |
23325.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].end |
23327.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4319].text |
在228公園 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].start |
23327.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].end |
23329.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4320].text |
對於我們土地權的伸張 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].start |
23329.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].end |
23331.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4321].text |
您這邊都沒有做出任何的回應 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].start |
23331.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].end |
23333.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4322].text |
您對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].start |
23345.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].end |
23347.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4323].text |
謝謝您 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].start |
23347.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].end |
23350.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4324].text |
我們一定會決定做計時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].start |
23350.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].end |
23352.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4325].text |
所以你覺得他們先前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].start |
23352.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].end |
23354.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4326].text |
他們已經在那邊幾百天了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].start |
23354.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].end |
23356.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4327].text |
你覺得他們的事情會不會異形 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].start |
23356.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].end |
23359.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4328].text |
一定有報告那個原民總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].start |
23359.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].end |
23361.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4329].text |
一定有他的想法在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].start |
23361.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].end |
23364.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4330].text |
所以是總統的想法比較重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].start |
23369.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].end |
23372.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4331].text |
好 那個我們時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].start |
23373.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].end |
23375.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4332].text |
是不是停 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].start |
23375.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].end |
23377.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4333].text |
對提名人再順便答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].start |
23378.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].end |
23379.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4334].text |
好 謝謝林委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].start |
23379.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].end |
23382.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4335].text |
下一位我們請許中信委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].start |
23402.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].end |
23404.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4336].text |
主席 各位同仁 我們邀請高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].start |
23406.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].end |
23408.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[4337].text |
我們請高貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].start |
23408.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].end |
23409.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4338].text |
請 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].start |
23412.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].end |
23413.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4339].text |
高牧師好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].start |
23415.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].end |
23417.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[4340].text |
我非常尊重高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].start |
23418.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].end |
23419.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4341].text |
其實我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].start |
23420.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].end |
23422.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4342].text |
天底下最尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].start |
23423.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].end |
23425.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4343].text |
兩位高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].start |
23425.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].end |
23426.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4344].text |
一位順民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].start |
23427.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].end |
23430.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4345].text |
另外一位是高俊明牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].start |
23432.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].end |
23435.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4346].text |
所以我今天對您的期許非常的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].start |
23436.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].end |
23438.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4347].text |
我們高俊明牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].start |
23439.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].end |
23442.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4348].text |
在我們台灣民主的歷史上 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].start |
23443.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].end |
23445.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4349].text |
地位非常的崇高 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].start |
23446.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].end |
23448.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[4350].text |
所以我稱呼您高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].start |
23449.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].end |
23451.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4351].text |
是對您極度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].start |
23452.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].end |
23453.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4352].text |
這個尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].start |
23454.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].end |
23455.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4353].text |
但是高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].start |
23457.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].end |
23458.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4354].text |
在十幾年前 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].start |
23460.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].end |
23461.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4355].text |
我在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].start |
23462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].end |
23463.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4356].text |
成大教師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].start |
23465.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].end |
23466.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4357].text |
他成立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].start |
23467.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].end |
23469.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4358].text |
騰襲台灣促進會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].start |
23471.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].end |
23472.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4359].text |
這個會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].start |
23473.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].end |
23475.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4360].text |
是由我們台南地區所有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].start |
23477.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].end |
23478.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4361].text |
最尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].start |
23479.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].end |
23480.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4362].text |
地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].start |
23480.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].end |
23481.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4363].text |
得望的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].start |
23482.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].end |
23484.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4364].text |
這個社團負責人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].start |
23485.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].end |
23487.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4365].text |
地方意見領袖所組成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].start |
23488.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].end |
23491.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4366].text |
所以他在總理餐廳開了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].start |
23491.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].end |
23492.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4367].text |
演講會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].start |
23493.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].end |
23495.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4368].text |
專程邀請我 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].start |
23496.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].end |
23497.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4369].text |
去做演講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].start |
23498.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].end |
23500.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4370].text |
那麼當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].start |
23501.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].end |
23502.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4371].text |
去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].start |
23502.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].end |
23503.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4372].text |
車站接我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].start |
23504.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].end |
23506.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4373].text |
是高牧師的一個助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].start |
23507.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].end |
23509.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4374].text |
叫做邱麗麗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].start |
23510.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].end |
23513.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4375].text |
現在是我們台南市的議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].start |
23513.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].end |
23514.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4376].text |
邱麗麗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].start |
23515.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].end |
23516.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[4377].text |
我在演講的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].start |
23517.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].end |
23518.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4378].text |
剛好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].start |
23519.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].end |
23521.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4379].text |
我們賴清德立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].start |
23521.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].end |
23522.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4380].text |
也來參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].start |
23523.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].end |
23524.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4381].text |
所以我把麥克風 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].start |
23525.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].end |
23526.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4382].text |
播10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].start |
23526.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].end |
23528.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4383].text |
讓賴立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].start |
23529.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].end |
23530.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4384].text |
在我身邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].start |
23530.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].end |
23531.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4385].text |
演講了10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].start |
23533.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].end |
23535.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4386].text |
那麼邱麗麗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].start |
23535.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].end |
23537.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4387].text |
在我們高牧師旁邊的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].start |
23537.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].end |
23538.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4388].text |
屁印 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].start |
23540.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].end |
23542.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4389].text |
應該是要做對我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].start |
23542.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].end |
23544.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4390].text |
非常有利的行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].start |
23545.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].end |
23546.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4391].text |
事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].start |
23547.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].end |
23548.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4392].text |
結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].start |
23549.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].end |
23550.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4393].text |
高麗麗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].start |
23551.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].end |
23552.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[4394].text |
在台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].start |
23553.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].end |
23554.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4395].text |
現在這個議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].start |
23556.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].end |
23558.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4396].text |
還有兩個傳聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].start |
23559.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].end |
23561.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4397].text |
一個我有明確證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].start |
23561.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].end |
23563.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[4398].text |
今天我來跟你請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].start |
23563.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].end |
23564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4399].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].start |
23564.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].end |
23565.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[4400].text |
很爽脫 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].start |
23567.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].end |
23568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4401].text |
是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].start |
23568.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].end |
23569.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4402].text |
運 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].start |
23569.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].end |
23572.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4403].text |
這個家具的那個司機 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].start |
23573.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].end |
23574.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4404].text |
跟我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].start |
23574.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].end |
23575.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4405].text |
我沒有證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].start |
23576.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].end |
23578.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4406].text |
但是我給你分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].start |
23581.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].end |
23583.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4407].text |
我們三立的創辦人林坤海 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].start |
23584.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].end |
23585.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4408].text |
他的豪宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].start |
23585.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].end |
23586.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4409].text |
訂了一批家具 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].start |
23587.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].end |
23588.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4410].text |
由他運送 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].start |
23590.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].end |
23591.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4411].text |
開門的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].start |
23591.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].end |
23593.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4412].text |
竟然是邱麗麗穿著睡衣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].start |
23595.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].end |
23596.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4413].text |
這個我只是傳聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].start |
23597.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].end |
23598.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4414].text |
我沒有證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].start |
23599.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4415].end |
23601.31 |
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但是我現在要請教 |
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23601.64 |
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23602.64 |
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高牧師的 |
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23603.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].end |
23604.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[4417].text |
小弟弟 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].start |
23605.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].end |
23606.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4418].text |
這一次 |
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23607.68 |
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23609.68 |
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議長的選舉上 |
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23611.73 |
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23612.73 |
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被檢察官 |
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23614.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4421].end |
23615.33 |
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起訴會審 |
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23617.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].end |
23618.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4422].text |
而一審二審 |
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23619.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].end |
23621.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4423].text |
都判他無罪 |
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23622.57 |
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23623.57 |
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一審 |
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23623.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4425].end |
23624.78 |
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判他無罪 |
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23625.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].end |
23626.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4426].text |
二審也判他無罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].start |
23628.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4427].end |
23629.41 |
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但是這個法官 |
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23629.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4428].end |
23630.41 |
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我從法學上去看 |
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23632.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].end |
23633.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4429].text |
他的認識 |
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23634.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4430].end |
23635.01 |
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用話 |
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23635.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4431].end |
23636.61 |
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很現實 |
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23637.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4432].end |
23639.16 |
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明顯違背法令 |
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23639.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].end |
23640.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4433].text |
這個包庇 |
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23641.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].end |
23642.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4434].text |
小弟弟來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].start |
23643.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].end |
23644.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4435].text |
因為 |
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23646.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].end |
23647.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4436].text |
小弟弟 |
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23647.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].end |
23649.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4437].text |
現在住在我們台南市的 |
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23649.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].end |
23650.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4438].text |
北區的豪宅 |
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23651.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].end |
23652.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4439].text |
同一棟豪宅 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].start |
23654.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].end |
23655.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4440].text |
住著 |
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23655.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].end |
23657.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4441].text |
學甲被開88槍的 |
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23658.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].end |
23659.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4442].text |
郭再簽 |
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23660.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].end |
23662.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4443].text |
兩個住在同一個豪宅 |
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23662.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].end |
23663.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4444].text |
他們是好朋友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].start |
23665.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].end |
23667.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4445].text |
晚上有沒有串門子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].start |
23667.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].end |
23668.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4446].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].start |
23669.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].end |
23671.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4447].text |
他們兩個關係非同小可 |
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23672.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].end |
23674.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4448].text |
所以郭再簽在電話中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].start |
23675.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].end |
23677.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4449].text |
跟一位楊志強說 |
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23678 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].end |
23680 |
| transcript.whisperx[4450].text |
這兩天出來講一下 |
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23680.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].end |
23682.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4451].text |
結果法官跟安政懷說只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].start |
23684.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].end |
23686.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4452].text |
看看選情的場面化 |
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23687.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].end |
23689.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4453].text |
其實郭再簽 |
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23689.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].end |
23691.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4454].text |
邀楊志強出來談的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].start |
23692.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].end |
23694.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4455].text |
是跟第二點有關 |
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23694.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].end |
23696.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4456].text |
也就是我們台南西港地區的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].start |
23696.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].end |
23698.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4457].text |
一位議員方一芳 |
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23699.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].end |
23700.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4458].text |
方一芳 |
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23701.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].end |
23703.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[4459].text |
在偵查中已經承認了 |
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23704.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].end |
23707.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[4460].text |
這位楊志強說要給他錢 |
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23708.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].end |
23710.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4461].text |
而且還透過各種機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].start |
23710.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].end |
23711.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[4462].text |
要確保一定會給 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].start |
23712.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].end |
23714.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4463].text |
方一芳已經承認了 |
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23716.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].end |
23718.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4464].text |
然後檢方呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].start |
23718.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].end |
23720.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[4465].text |
也監聽邱立立 |
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23721.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].end |
23722.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4466].text |
而且呢 |
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23722.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].end |
23724.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4467].text |
監聽到關鍵的對話 |
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23725.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].end |
23727.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4468].text |
結果我們院方呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].start |
23727.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].end |
23731.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[4469].text |
竟然只以這個關鍵的錄音 |
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23733.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].end |
23735.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4470].text |
沒有懲罰 |
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23735.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].end |
23737.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4471].text |
沒有依法懲罰 |
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23737.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].end |
23739.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4472].text |
就說這個關鍵錄音 |
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23739.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4473].end |
23741.7 |
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所得的證據 |
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23741.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].end |
23743.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4474].text |
是沒有證據能力 |
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23745.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].end |
23747.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4475].text |
也就是獨樹的果子 |
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23748.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].end |
23749.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4476].text |
沒有證據能力 |
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23749.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].end |
23751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4477].text |
就因為第三點 |
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23751.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].end |
23753.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4478].text |
他認為證據上能力有瑕疵 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].start |
23754.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].end |
23756.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4479].text |
但是他有證明力 |
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23756.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].end |
23758.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4480].text |
他沒有證據能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].start |
23758.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].end |
23760.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4481].text |
但是他有證明的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].start |
23760.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].end |
23762.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4482].text |
他沒有證明能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].start |
23762.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].end |
23764.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4483].text |
但是他有證據力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].start |
23765.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].end |
23767.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4484].text |
他跟第一點跟第二點加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].start |
23769.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].end |
23771.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4485].text |
就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].start |
23770.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].end |
23772.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4486].text |
保持牌的名證 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].start |
23773.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].end |
23775.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4487].text |
邱立立議長選舉會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].start |
23776.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].end |
23778.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4488].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].start |
23777.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].end |
23779.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4489].text |
有一股力量讓我們的一審法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].start |
23781.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].end |
23783.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[4490].text |
二審法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].start |
23782.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].end |
23784.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4491].text |
認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].start |
23784.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].end |
23786.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[4492].text |
邱立立會選不成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].start |
23786.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].end |
23788.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[4493].text |
我們臺南人沒有一個人幸福 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].start |
23790.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].end |
23792.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4494].text |
我們臺南人沒有一個人幸福 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].start |
23793.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].end |
23795.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4495].text |
因為那個幾乎是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].start |
23796.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].end |
23798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4496].text |
很多人都知道的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].start |
23800.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].end |
23802.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[4497].text |
高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].start |
23802.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].end |
23804.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4498].text |
民主國成為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].start |
23804.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].end |
23806.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[4499].text |
願不願意替臺南人申這個冤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].start |
23809.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].end |
23811.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4500].text |
去彈劾這些法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].start |
23811.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].end |
23813.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[4501].text |
為什麼會做出這樣一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].start |
23814.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].end |
23816.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4502].text |
違背 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].start |
23816.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].end |
23818.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4503].text |
認識院法證據法則的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].start |
23820.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].end |
23822.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[4504].text |
而讓我們臺南市的議長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].start |
23823.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].end |
23825.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4505].text |
輪入這樣一個寄生在 |
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23825.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].end |
23827.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4506].text |
高牧師身邊的一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].start |
23827.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].end |
23829.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4507].text |
來揉令我們臺南市議會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].start |
23829.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].end |
23831.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4508].text |
來揉令我們臺南市議會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].start |
23836.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].end |
23838.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4509].text |
如果當監委的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].start |
23837.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].end |
23839.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4510].text |
特別感謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].start |
23839.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].end |
23841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4511].text |
尤其是特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].start |
23841.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].end |
23843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4512].text |
我們懷念的高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].start |
23843.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].end |
23845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4513].text |
那高牧師過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].start |
23845.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].end |
23847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4514].text |
對原住民來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].start |
23847.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].end |
23849.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4515].text |
是一個非常大的貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].start |
23849.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].end |
23851.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4516].text |
那剛剛所提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].start |
23851.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].end |
23853.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4517].text |
這樣的一個案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].start |
23853.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].end |
23855.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4518].text |
那我深信如果到這個監察院的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].start |
23855.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].end |
23857.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4519].text |
一定再次發揮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].start |
23857.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].end |
23859.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4520].text |
那種調查的那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].start |
23859.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].end |
23861.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4521].text |
工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].start |
23861.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].end |
23863.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4522].text |
然後做出公義的一個判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].start |
23863.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].end |
23865.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4523].text |
因為畢竟監察院有一點就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].start |
23865.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].end |
23867.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4524].text |
實行公義的一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].start |
23867.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].end |
23869.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4525].text |
所以表示高牧師你是同意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].start |
23871.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].end |
23873.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4526].text |
非常謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].start |
23874.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].end |
23876.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4527].text |
那麼除了議長以外 |
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23877.09 |
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23879.09 |
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我們來看看我們的臺南市長 |
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23880.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4529].end |
23882.18 |
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也就是我們臺南市政心 |
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23882.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].end |
23884.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4530].text |
在臺南議會以外臺南市長 |
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23884.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].end |
23886.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4531].text |
黃偉哲 |
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23887.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].end |
23889.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4532].text |
他在大學時代 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].start |
23889.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].end |
23891.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4533].text |
根據您所承認 |
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23891.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].end |
23893.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4534].text |
曾經擔任的轉型正義委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].start |
23895.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].end |
23897.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4535].text |
的學術研討會 |
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23897.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].end |
23899.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4536].text |
所提出來的研討會 |
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23899.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].end |
23901.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4537].text |
的補充資料一本這麼大本 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].start |
23903.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].end |
23905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4538].text |
我把它讀完以後 |
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23906.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].end |
23908.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4539].text |
A143 |
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23909.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].end |
23911.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4540].text |
龍推細學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].start |
23912.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].end |
23914.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4541].text |
積極聯絡 |
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23914.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].end |
23916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[4542].text |
去監視他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].start |
23916.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].end |
23918.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4543].text |
社團同學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].start |
23920.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].end |
23922.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4544].text |
還說還被認為表現優良 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].start |
23924.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].end |
23926.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[4545].text |
我當時根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].start |
23926.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].end |
23928.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[4546].text |
這一份資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].start |
23927.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4547].end |
23929.8 |
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因為我跟黃偉哲 |
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23930.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].end |
23932.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4548].text |
我找他一年在臺大 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].start |
23932.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].end |
23936.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[4549].text |
所以那份資料裡面所寫的時間地點教室 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].start |
23936.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].end |
23938.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4550].text |
我非常熟悉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].start |
23938.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].end |
23940.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[4551].text |
所以我就一口咬定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].start |
23940.51 |
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23942.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4552].text |
A143就是黃偉哲市長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].start |
23945.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].end |
23947.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4553].text |
結果在後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].start |
23947.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].end |
23949.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4554].text |
前一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].start |
23949.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].end |
23951.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[4555].text |
又有一個中文的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].start |
23951.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].end |
23953.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[4556].text |
啊 |
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23952.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].end |
23954.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4557].text |
文獻在網路上流傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].start |
23954.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].end |
23956.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4558].text |
就明白的寫了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].start |
23957.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].end |
23959.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4559].text |
黃偉哲就是這個龍推細的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].start |
23961.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].end |
23963.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4560].text |
部建學生調查局的部建學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].start |
23965.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].end |
23967.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[4561].text |
請問高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].start |
23968.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].end |
23970.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4562].text |
以下學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].start |
23970.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].end |
23972.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4563].text |
會在學生時代出賣他的同學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].start |
23972.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].end |
23974.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4564].text |
出賣他的好友 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].start |
23975.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].end |
23977.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[4565].text |
他會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].start |
23976.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].end |
23978.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4566].text |
對我們台南市政積極的認識 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].start |
23978.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].end |
23980.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[4567].text |
好好的去做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].start |
23983.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].end |
23985.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4568].text |
會出賣自己朋友的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].start |
23986.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].end |
23988.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[4569].text |
會對我們這個國家盡忠嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].start |
23989.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].end |
23991.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[4570].text |
見紙嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].start |
23991.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].end |
23993.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[4571].text |
如果您 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].start |
23993.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].end |
23995.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4572].text |
當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].start |
23995.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].end |
23997.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[4573].text |
有更明確的證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].start |
23997.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].end |
23999.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[4574].text |
我相信你應該會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].start |
23999.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].end |
24001.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[4575].text |
你應該會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].start |
24001.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].end |
24003.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4576].text |
這就是我們台南市現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].start |
24004.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].end |
24006.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[4577].text |
為什麼被台中超越 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].start |
24007.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].end |
24009.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[4578].text |
為什麼現在被桃園超越的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].start |
24011.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].end |
24013.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[4579].text |
所以這是在轉型正義委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].start |
24014.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].end |
24016.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4580].text |
所發生的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].start |
24016.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].end |
24018.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[4581].text |
今天提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].start |
24020.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].end |
24022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4582].text |
好 謝謝許爾元 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].start |
24022.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].end |
24024.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4583].text |
接下來請審發會委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].start |
24044.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].end |
24046.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4584].text |
主席我們請被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].start |
24046.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].end |
24048.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4585].text |
我們請高被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].start |
24063.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].end |
24065.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4586].text |
你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].start |
24066.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].end |
24069.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[4587].text |
今天這一次的監察委員同意選 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].start |
24069.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].end |
24071.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4588].text |
的這個公聽會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].start |
24071.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].end |
24073.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4589].text |
我個人認為說對於被提名人的專業結構 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].start |
24073.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].end |
24075.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4590].text |
實際能力跟政治中立性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].start |
24075.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].end |
24077.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4591].text |
還有國家委員會的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].start |
24077.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].end |
24079.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4592].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].start |
24079.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].end |
24081.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4593].text |
我認為都是應該要在這一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].start |
24081.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].end |
24083.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4594].text |
公聽會裡面大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].start |
24083.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].end |
24085.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4595].text |
應該要探討的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].start |
24085.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].end |
24087.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4596].text |
這個在行使同意選的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].start |
24087.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].end |
24089.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4597].text |
應該要回歸到每一位被提名人的經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].start |
24091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].end |
24093.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4598].text |
跟能力跟工作規劃是不是能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].start |
24093.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].end |
24095.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[4599].text |
獨立行使職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].start |
24096.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].end |
24098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4600].text |
那這樣子像剛才這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].start |
24098.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].end |
24100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4601].text |
幾位委員在哪一些個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].start |
24100.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].end |
24102.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[4602].text |
要求表態 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].start |
24102.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].end |
24104.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4603].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].start |
24103.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].end |
24105.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4604].text |
我認為這個等同於是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].start |
24105.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].end |
24107.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4605].text |
利用公聽會來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].start |
24107.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].end |
24109.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4606].text |
個案施壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].start |
24109.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].end |
24111.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4607].text |
個人認為非常不可取 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].start |
24111.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].end |
24113.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[4608].text |
而且這個也顯示出一個政黨的格調 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].start |
24113.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].end |
24115.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4609].text |
我個人是認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].start |
24115.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].end |
24117.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[4610].text |
尤其是我們這個俄勒姆斯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].start |
24118.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].end |
24120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4611].text |
您過去這個我首先肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].start |
24120.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].end |
24122.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4612].text |
您過去數十年來在婦女兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].start |
24122.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].end |
24124.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4613].text |
家庭權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].start |
24124.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].end |
24126.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4614].text |
還有人權保障跟社會服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].start |
24126.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].end |
24128.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4615].text |
的長期投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].start |
24128.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].end |
24130.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4616].text |
你長年從事這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].start |
24130.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].end |
24132.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4617].text |
這個幕會跟社會的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].start |
24132.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].end |
24134.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4618].text |
我想你所累積下來的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].start |
24134.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].end |
24136.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4619].text |
經驗參與這個婦女 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].start |
24136.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].end |
24138.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4620].text |
權益性別平等家庭暴力跟老人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].start |
24138.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].end |
24140.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4621].text |
福利的這些相關事物 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].start |
24140.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].end |
24142.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4622].text |
投入的這些經驗跟你對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].start |
24142.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].end |
24144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4623].text |
人民的這些瞭解我覺得這才是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].start |
24144.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].end |
24146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4624].text |
認為今天要來了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].start |
24146.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].end |
24148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4625].text |
您在帶著過去這樣子的貢獻跟經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].start |
24148.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].end |
24150.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4626].text |
如果你有機會進入監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].start |
24150.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].end |
24152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4627].text |
您會在這上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].start |
24152.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].end |
24154.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4628].text |
怎麼樣以你過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].start |
24154.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].end |
24156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4629].text |
第一線的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].start |
24156.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].end |
24158.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4630].text |
來協助處理問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].start |
24158.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].end |
24160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4631].text |
來傾聽民眾的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].start |
24160.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].end |
24162.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4632].text |
這我覺得才是我們所關心的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].start |
24166.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].end |
24168.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4633].text |
那這個所以我今天大概 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].start |
24168.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].end |
24170.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4634].text |
我就回到我個人比較重視的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].start |
24170.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].end |
24172.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4635].text |
這些問題上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].start |
24172.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].end |
24174.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4636].text |
今天大概簡單幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].start |
24174.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].end |
24176.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4637].text |
來請教這個厄頓牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].start |
24177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].end |
24179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4638].text |
第一個就是我剛剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].start |
24179.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].end |
24181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4639].text |
你長期在這個教會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].start |
24181.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].end |
24183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4640].text |
社區跟民間團體服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].start |
24183.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].end |
24185.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[4641].text |
我相信你接觸過不少民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].start |
24186.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].end |
24188.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4642].text |
有不少民眾他明明遇到困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].start |
24188.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].end |
24190.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4643].text |
但他卻不知道向哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].start |
24190.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].end |
24192.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[4644].text |
政府單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].start |
24192.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].end |
24194.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4645].text |
來這個尋求協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].start |
24194.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].end |
24196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4646].text |
那他也因為不熟悉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].start |
24196.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].end |
24198.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4647].text |
這個行政程序跟機關的分工 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].start |
24198.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].end |
24200.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4648].text |
這個最後 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].start |
24200.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].end |
24202.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4649].text |
很多民眾最後問題還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].start |
24202.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].end |
24204.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4650].text |
沒有辦法解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].start |
24204.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].end |
24206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4651].text |
那你在自傳中特別提到你長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].start |
24206.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].end |
24208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4652].text |
幕會的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].start |
24208.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].end |
24210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4653].text |
讓你善於傾聽他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].start |
24210.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].end |
24212.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4654].text |
這個善於傾聽他人的敘事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].start |
24212.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].end |
24214.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4655].text |
那再把民眾反應的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].start |
24214.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].end |
24216.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4656].text |
整理成具體的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].start |
24216.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].end |
24218.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4657].text |
那交由團隊進一步的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].start |
24218.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].end |
24220.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4658].text |
這是你在自傳中所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].start |
24220.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].end |
24222.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4659].text |
那我個人認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].start |
24222.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].end |
24224.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[4660].text |
這正是可以帶進監察院的重要的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].start |
24226.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].end |
24228.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4661].text |
那這個所以我在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].start |
24228.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].end |
24230.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4662].text |
大概第一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].start |
24230.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].end |
24232.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4663].text |
就要請教我們額外牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].start |
24232.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].end |
24234.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4664].text |
如果你有機會擔任監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].start |
24234.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].end |
24236.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4665].text |
你是不是願意延續過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].start |
24236.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].end |
24238.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4666].text |
這樣子傾聽陪伴民眾的工作方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].start |
24238.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].end |
24240.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4667].text |
主動了解人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].start |
24240.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].end |
24242.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4668].text |
所這個遇到的困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].start |
24242.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].end |
24244.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4669].text |
那跟這個監察院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].start |
24244.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].end |
24246.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4670].text |
這個專業調查團隊合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].start |
24246.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].end |
24248.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[4671].text |
把事情查清楚提出改善的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].start |
24249.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].end |
24251.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4672].text |
那特別再詢問一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].start |
24251.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].end |
24253.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4673].text |
就是說你如果有機會進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].start |
24253.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].end |
24255.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4674].text |
監察院你大概會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].start |
24255.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].end |
24257.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4675].text |
優先選擇參加什麼樣的委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].start |
24257.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].end |
24259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4676].text |
哪一個委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].start |
24259.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].end |
24261.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[4677].text |
那你考量是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].start |
24260.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].end |
24262.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4678].text |
好謝謝委員的這個提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].start |
24262.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].end |
24264.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[4679].text |
那是的我長久在部落這個幕會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].start |
24269.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].end |
24271.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[4680].text |
那 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].start |
24270.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].end |
24272.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4681].text |
每次在我的環境裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].start |
24272.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].end |
24274.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4682].text |
因為這個黨老教會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].start |
24274.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].end |
24276.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4683].text |
有一個他們的一個神學 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].start |
24276.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].end |
24278.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[4684].text |
就是實況化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].start |
24278.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].end |
24280.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[4685].text |
那我會特別這個注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].start |
24282.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].end |
24284.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[4686].text |
不公義的一個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].start |
24284.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].end |
24286.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4687].text |
就像當時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].start |
24286.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].end |
24288.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4688].text |
政府的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].start |
24288.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].end |
24290.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[4689].text |
就是宰測 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].start |
24290.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].end |
24292.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[4690].text |
邊緣學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].start |
24292.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].end |
24294.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[4691].text |
和彩合併的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].start |
24294.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].end |
24296.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4692].text |
那我的部落是一個其中其一 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].start |
24297.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].end |
24301.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[4693].text |
那我部落也是最小的一個部落在我們的鄉鎮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].start |
24301.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].end |
24303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4694].text |
然後當踩車的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].start |
24303.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].end |
24305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4695].text |
我們的公部門的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].start |
24305.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].end |
24307.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4696].text |
像這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].start |
24307.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].end |
24309.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4697].text |
活動中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].start |
24309.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].end |
24311.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4698].text |
還有這些很多的一個公共設施 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].start |
24311.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].end |
24313.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4699].text |
也相對的被踩車 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].start |
24313.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].end |
24315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4700].text |
就像這個派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].start |
24315.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].end |
24317.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4701].text |
也一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].start |
24317.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].end |
24319.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4702].text |
那在那個時候我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].start |
24319.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].end |
24321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4703].text |
有一個思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].start |
24321.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].end |
24323.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4704].text |
我身為這個部落的一個牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].start |
24323.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].end |
24325.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[4705].text |
怎麼樣讓 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].start |
24325.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].end |
24327.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[4706].text |
再送 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].start |
24326.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].end |
24328.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4707].text |
應該不對的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].start |
24328.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].end |
24330.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4708].text |
尤其是當他們要踩車這個學校的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].start |
24330.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].end |
24332.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4709].text |
沒有替代方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].start |
24332.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].end |
24334.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4710].text |
然後很多的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].start |
24334.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].end |
24336.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4711].text |
變成是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].start |
24336.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].end |
24338.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4712].text |
這個草叢在那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].start |
24338.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].end |
24340.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[4713].text |
甚至變成一個石角 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].start |
24341.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].end |
24343.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4714].text |
所以在那個時候我就 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].start |
24343.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].end |
24345.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4715].text |
很多也部落的一個聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].start |
24345.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].end |
24347.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4716].text |
像這個派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].start |
24347.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].end |
24349.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4717].text |
這麼可惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].start |
24349.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].end |
24351.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4718].text |
歡會這麼多年 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].start |
24351.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].end |
24353.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4719].text |
每天就關門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].start |
24353.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].end |
24355.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4720].text |
那個時候就採取動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].start |
24355.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].end |
24357.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4721].text |
不吃辛勞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].start |
24357.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].end |
24359.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4722].text |
跑到這個縣長他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].start |
24359.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].end |
24361.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4723].text |
跟他們做溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].start |
24361.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].end |
24363.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4724].text |
跟他們做了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].start |
24363.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].end |
24365.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4725].text |
那起先他們都不願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].start |
24365.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].end |
24367.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4726].text |
因為沒有這樣的一個立志 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].start |
24367.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].end |
24369.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4727].text |
但是經過我們多次的往返 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].start |
24369.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].end |
24371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4728].text |
然後也有部落的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].start |
24371.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].end |
24373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4729].text |
強烈的一個聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].start |
24373.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].end |
24375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4730].text |
最後這一個派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].start |
24375.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].end |
24377.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4731].text |
被使用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].start |
24377.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].end |
24379.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4732].text |
可以是第一個在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].start |
24379.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].end |
24381.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4733].text |
全國第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].start |
24381.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].end |
24383.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4734].text |
使用的派出所開門 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].start |
24383.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].end |
24385.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4735].text |
也讓公部門跟我們一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].start |
24385.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].end |
24387.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4736].text |
來做方案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].start |
24387.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].end |
24389.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4737].text |
應該是那一個部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].start |
24389.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].end |
24391.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4738].text |
那現在也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].start |
24391.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].end |
24393.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4739].text |
過去是我在第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].start |
24393.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].end |
24395.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4740].text |
那種觀察那種聆聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].start |
24395.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].end |
24397.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[4741].text |
怎麼樣也讓這個監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].start |
24398.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].end |
24400.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4742].text |
能夠伸出一個力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].start |
24400.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].end |
24402.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4743].text |
也進入到部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].start |
24402.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].end |
24404.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4744].text |
可能我的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].start |
24404.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].end |
24406.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4745].text |
比較專長的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].start |
24406.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].end |
24408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4746].text |
那種整理過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].start |
24408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].end |
24410.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4747].text |
我看到的那種不公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].start |
24410.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].end |
24412.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4748].text |
或者是很多像 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].start |
24412.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].end |
24414.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4749].text |
這個人民的那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].start |
24414.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].end |
24416.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4750].text |
請求陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].start |
24416.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].end |
24418.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[4751].text |
那我怎麼樣把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].start |
24418.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].end |
24420.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4752].text |
整理然後轉化 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].start |
24420.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].end |
24422.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4753].text |
然後跟我們監察院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].start |
24422.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].end |
24424.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4754].text |
像這些調查委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].start |
24424.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].end |
24426.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4755].text |
他們都是有深度的一個專長 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].start |
24426.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].end |
24428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4756].text |
然後得以 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].start |
24428.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].end |
24430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4757].text |
很多的不正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].start |
24430.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].end |
24432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4758].text |
現在還是有後尤其是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].start |
24432.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].end |
24434.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4759].text |
我們的居住正義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].start |
24434.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].end |
24436.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4760].text |
這個是可能是我會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].start |
24436.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].end |
24438.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4761].text |
非常有 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].start |
24438.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].end |
24440.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4762].text |
這個有誠意的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].start |
24440.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].end |
24442.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4763].text |
非常忠心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].start |
24442.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].end |
24444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4764].text |
怎麼樣把監察院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].start |
24444.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].end |
24446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4765].text |
這個處長也能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].start |
24446.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].end |
24448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4766].text |
到我們這個部落這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].start |
24448.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].end |
24450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4767].text |
謝謝二位同志 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].start |
24450.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].end |
24452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4768].text |
我想這個就是我們所期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].start |
24452.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].end |
24454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4769].text |
將過去您在第一線的這些經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].start |
24454.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].end |
24456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4770].text |
能夠帶到監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].start |
24456.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].end |
24458.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4771].text |
那這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].start |
24458.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].end |
24460.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4772].text |
我們知道這一次你除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].start |
24460.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].end |
24462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4773].text |
被提名監察委員之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].start |
24462.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].end |
24464.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[4774].text |
您同時也是這個國家人權委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].start |
24466.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].end |
24468.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4775].text |
委員的被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].start |
24468.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].end |
24470.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4776].text |
所以我們就針對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].start |
24470.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].end |
24472.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4777].text |
國家人權委員會的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].start |
24472.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].end |
24474.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4778].text |
他的建議如何能夠真正的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].start |
24474.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].end |
24476.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4779].text |
這個問題來請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].start |
24476.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].end |
24478.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[4780].text |
這個俄羅斯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].start |
24479.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].end |
24481.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[4781].text |
我想這個對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].start |
24483.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].end |
24485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4782].text |
這一次的公聽委裡面有意見指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].start |
24485.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].end |
24487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4783].text |
說國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].start |
24487.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].end |
24489.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4784].text |
他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].start |
24490.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].end |
24492.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4785].text |
可以受理陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].start |
24492.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].end |
24494.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4786].text |
可以進行訪視調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].start |
24494.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].end |
24496.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4787].text |
跟提出專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].start |
24496.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].end |
24498.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4788].text |
但是報告提出以後行政機關是不是真正的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].start |
24498.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].end |
24500.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4789].text |
卻沒有這個持續的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].start |
24500.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].end |
24502.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4790].text |
人民是有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].start |
24502.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].end |
24504.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4791].text |
實際感受到改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].start |
24504.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].end |
24506.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4792].text |
這個部分也在公聽委裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].start |
24506.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].end |
24508.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4793].text |
有提出這樣的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].start |
24508.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].end |
24510.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4794].text |
那我想這個在這邊簡單的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].start |
24510.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].end |
24512.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[4795].text |
就請問俄羅斯 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].start |
24512.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].end |
24516.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4796].text |
這個對於國家人權委員會所提出的這個專案報告跟改善建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].start |
24516.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].end |
24518.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4797].text |
你是不是支持在現行的職權範圍內 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].start |
24518.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].end |
24520.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4798].text |
逐項的列出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].start |
24520.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].end |
24522.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4799].text |
應改善的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].start |
24522.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].end |
24524.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4800].text |
阻責機關他的處理期限 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].start |
24524.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].end |
24526.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4801].text |
跟他的檢驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].start |
24526.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].end |
24528.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4802].text |
而且定期追蹤他的辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].start |
24528.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].end |
24530.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4803].text |
這個辦理的進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].start |
24530.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].end |
24532.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4804].text |
那如果行政機關預期沒有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].start |
24532.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].end |
24534.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4805].text |
或者只是回覆公文沒有實際改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].start |
24534.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].end |
24536.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4806].text |
我們是不是應該請機關進一步說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].start |
24536.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].end |
24538.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4807].text |
適度公開後續的追蹤結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].start |
24538.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].end |
24540.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4808].text |
我想針對我剛剛所提的這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].start |
24540.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].end |
24542.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4809].text |
是不是能夠請我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].start |
24542.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].end |
24544.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4810].text |
俄羅斯能夠簡單說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].start |
24544.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].end |
24546.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4811].text |
如果你進入國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].start |
24546.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].end |
24548.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[4812].text |
你對於這樣的事情的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].start |
24547.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].end |
24551.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4813].text |
像我們國家人權委員會的這個的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].start |
24551.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].end |
24553.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4814].text |
常常被批評為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].start |
24553.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].end |
24555.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4815].text |
輪尾這個文字報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].start |
24555.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].end |
24557.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4816].text |
文字報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].start |
24557.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].end |
24559.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4817].text |
那關鍵在缺乏這個強制力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].start |
24559.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].end |
24561.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4818].text |
後續的一個追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].start |
24561.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].end |
24563.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4819].text |
所以機關往往 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].start |
24563.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].end |
24565.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4820].text |
消極應付 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].start |
24565.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].end |
24567.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4821].text |
適應了事 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].start |
24567.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].end |
24569.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4822].text |
那本人認為有幾個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].start |
24569.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].end |
24571.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4823].text |
首先就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].start |
24571.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].end |
24573.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4824].text |
重要報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].start |
24573.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].end |
24575.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4825].text |
是不是著向列出 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].start |
24575.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].end |
24577.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4826].text |
改善的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].start |
24577.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].end |
24581.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4827].text |
主責機關還有辦理期限及檢驗標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].start |
24581.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].end |
24585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4828].text |
並明僅是以判萬機關檢討改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].start |
24585.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].end |
24587.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4829].text |
等空泛的這個文字結案 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].start |
24587.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].end |
24589.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4830].text |
唯有明確的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].start |
24589.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].end |
24591.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4831].text |
對應到具體的事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].start |
24591.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].end |
24593.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4832].text |
負責任還有完成的時程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].start |
24593.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].end |
24595.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4833].text |
還有可以供 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].start |
24595.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].end |
24597.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4834].text |
檢驗的成效及標 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].start |
24597.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].end |
24599.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4835].text |
我一切才能清楚比對 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].start |
24599.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].end |
24601.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4836].text |
機關是否 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].start |
24601.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].end |
24603.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4837].text |
真正真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].start |
24603.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].end |
24605.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4838].text |
而非任由機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].start |
24605.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].end |
24607.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4839].text |
自稱已改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].start |
24607.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].end |
24609.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4840].text |
就結案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].start |
24609.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].end |
24611.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4841].text |
所以我覺得還有另外一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].start |
24611.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].end |
24613.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4842].text |
就是人權會應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].start |
24613.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].end |
24615.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4843].text |
建立定期的一個追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].start |
24615.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].end |
24617.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4844].text |
的一個複雜機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].start |
24617.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].end |
24619.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4845].text |
持續要求機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].start |
24619.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].end |
24621.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4846].text |
回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].start |
24621.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].end |
24623.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4847].text |
並實際的查證進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].start |
24623.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].end |
24625.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4848].text |
而非憑書面恢復 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].start |
24625.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].end |
24627.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4849].text |
就結案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].start |
24627.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].end |
24629.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4850].text |
那如果機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].start |
24629.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].end |
24631.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4851].text |
一起未完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].start |
24631.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].end |
24633.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4852].text |
應該要求具體說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].start |
24633.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].end |
24635.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4853].text |
嚴重的原因及 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].start |
24635.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].end |
24637.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4854].text |
新的議定的時程 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].start |
24637.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].end |
24639.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4855].text |
然後列為 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].start |
24639.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].end |
24641.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4856].text |
時間的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].start |
24641.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].end |
24643.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4857].text |
事實上我是非常期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].start |
24643.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].end |
24645.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4858].text |
我們惡人牧師能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].start |
24645.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].end |
24647.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4859].text |
我也希望說我們立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].start |
24647.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].end |
24649.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4860].text |
大家能夠拋棄這個黨派的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].start |
24649.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].end |
24651.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4861].text |
這些立場跟成見 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].start |
24651.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].end |
24653.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4862].text |
我們真正的讓惡人牧師有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].start |
24653.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].end |
24655.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4863].text |
帶著您過去的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].start |
24655.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].end |
24657.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4864].text |
牧者的傾聽跟社工的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].start |
24657.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].end |
24659.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4865].text |
來進入長期為民眾服務的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].start |
24659.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].end |
24661.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4866].text |
經驗來進入監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].start |
24661.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].end |
24663.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[4867].text |
在這裡祝福你 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].start |
24664.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].end |
24666.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[4868].text |
謝謝省委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].start |
24666.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].end |
24668.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[4869].text |
下一位請盧縣議委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].start |
24686.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].end |
24688.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4870].text |
有請高牧師 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].start |
24688.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].end |
24690.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4871].text |
我們請高被提名人被選 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].start |
24698.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].end |
24700.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4872].text |
牧師好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].start |
24700.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].end |
24702.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[4873].text |
很高興能夠在這個場合跟你碰面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].start |
24703.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].end |
24705.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[4874].text |
代表我們是屏東的官榮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].start |
24706.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].end |
24708.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4875].text |
那也是我們排灣族的驕傲 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].start |
24708.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].end |
24712.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4876].text |
長期投入原住民族婦女兒少家庭及人權工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].start |
24712.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].end |
24714.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4877].text |
這次本來就是依監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].start |
24714.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].end |
24716.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4878].text |
組織法第三條規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].start |
24716.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].end |
24718.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4879].text |
因為人權研究貢獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].start |
24718.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].end |
24720.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[4880].text |
跟公民團體事務經驗的資格被提名 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].start |
24722.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].end |
24724.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[4881].text |
那我想說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].start |
24724 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].end |
24727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4882].text |
今天你從最熟悉的原住民族人權開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].start |
24727 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].end |
24730 |
| transcript.whisperx[4883].text |
要請你說明一下你能不能把人權的代表性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].start |
24730 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].end |
24732 |
| transcript.whisperx[4884].text |
真正轉換成監察的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].start |
24736.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].end |
24740.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4885].text |
謝謝這個委員的提議 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].start |
24740.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].end |
24743.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4886].text |
進入到這個監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].start |
24743.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].end |
24747.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4887].text |
他是一個國家的最高的器官 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].start |
24747.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].end |
24751.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4888].text |
那當然這集本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].start |
24751.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].end |
24753.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4889].text |
一個非常重要的一個責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].start |
24753.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].end |
24757.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4890].text |
就是捍衛這個監察委員的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].start |
24758.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].end |
24761.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4891].text |
那我想說從一個監察委員的核心素養 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].start |
24761.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].end |
24764.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4892].text |
有獨立性、有人權敏感度 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].start |
24764.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].end |
24768.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4893].text |
有證據、調查能力、法律、行政能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].start |
24768.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].end |
24771.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4894].text |
制度改善能力跟弱勢的可靜性 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].start |
24771.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].end |
24773.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4895].text |
你認為這幾個能力裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].start |
24773.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].end |
24775.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[4896].text |
你覺得你最要補強的是哪方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].start |
24777.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].end |
24778.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[4897].text |
呃 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].start |
24778.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].end |
24782.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[4898].text |
那當然很多剛剛委員所提的都非常重要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].start |
24783.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].end |
24786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4899].text |
但是現在比較讓我一直痛心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].start |
24786.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].end |
24789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4900].text |
就是我們居住的一個環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].start |
24789.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].end |
24792.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4901].text |
尤其是遷徙的這個原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].start |
24792.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].end |
24793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4902].text |
我們都是屏東人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].start |
24793.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].end |
24794.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4903].text |
也是嘉義人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].start |
24794.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].end |
24797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4904].text |
第一個就是像排灣這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].start |
24797.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].end |
24802.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4905].text |
已經可以有那個活動空間了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].start |
24802.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].end |
24804.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4906].text |
那像現在我們看到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].start |
24804.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].end |
24807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4907].text |
達瓦達望山的山體門鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].start |
24807.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].end |
24809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4908].text |
他們也是被遷徙下來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].start |
24809.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].end |
24812.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4909].text |
但是我非常納悶的地方就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].start |
24812.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].end |
24814.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4910].text |
當他們在遷徙的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].start |
24814.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].end |
24817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4911].text |
為什麼沒有非常好的一個策略 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].start |
24817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].end |
24821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4912].text |
讓他們的那個居住地能夠容納這區居民 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].start |
24821.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].end |
24822.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4913].text |
還有他們的活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].start |
24822.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].end |
24824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4914].text |
現在達瓦達望那個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].start |
24824.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].end |
24825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4915].text |
根本就沒有用動場 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].start |
24825.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].end |
24828.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4916].text |
當然是我很感謝我們的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].start |
24828.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].end |
24831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4917].text |
好像幾乎每一個部落都有文件站 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].start |
24831.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].end |
24835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4918].text |
但是我們最大的這個支援就是空氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].start |
24835.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].end |
24837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4919].text |
所以應該有強勁的身體 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].start |
24837.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].end |
24839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4920].text |
就是在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].start |
24839.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].end |
24841.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4921].text |
這個跟大自然在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].start |
24841.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].end |
24844.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4922].text |
那我們也是常常去瓦劉路嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].start |
24844.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].end |
24847.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4923].text |
其實你看到瓦劉路可能心裡也會痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].start |
24847.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].end |
24849.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4924].text |
他們每次風年祭的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].start |
24849.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].end |
24852.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4925].text |
那個超長是那種石頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].start |
24852.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].end |
24855.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4926].text |
我還深怕他們的這個腳背刺痛 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].start |
24855.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].end |
24857.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4927].text |
這個是我在那邊誤會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].start |
24857.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].end |
24858.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4928].text |
還有另外一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].start |
24858.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].end |
24864.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4929].text |
我也很納悶就是這個警察廢棄的一個警察派出所 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].start |
24864.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].end |
24865.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4930].text |
這個是對一個部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].start |
24865.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].end |
24867.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4931].text |
是一個由愛觀展的一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].start |
24867.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].end |
24868.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4932].text |
那是門面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].start |
24869.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].end |
24872.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4933].text |
但是都沒有做改變也不拆掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].start |
24872.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].end |
24874.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4934].text |
然後可以另外立一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].start |
24874.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].end |
24877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4935].text |
讓我們族人有一個活動的一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].start |
24877.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].end |
24882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4936].text |
那現在我比較比較在意的就是我們的區住整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].start |
24882.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].end |
24883.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4937].text |
尤其是被牽扯的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].start |
24883.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].end |
24885.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4938].text |
如果我們一個一個盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].start |
24885.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].end |
24888.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4939].text |
可能我們會看到那個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].start |
24888.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].end |
24891.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4940].text |
所以當我進入到這個監察委員會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].start |
24891.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].end |
24895.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4941].text |
他這個可能也是一個我非常重要的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].start |
24895.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].end |
24896.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4942].text |
我覺得急不公義 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].start |
24896.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].end |
24899.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4943].text |
急不公義對一個尤其是小部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].start |
24899.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].end |
24902.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4944].text |
沒有一個正常的一個活動空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].start |
24902.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].end |
24905.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4945].text |
因為我們原住民的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].start |
24905.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].end |
24907.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4946].text |
所有的那個丘陵地台是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].start |
24907.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].end |
24911.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4947].text |
我們常常唯一的那個活動的那個超長就是學校 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].start |
24911.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].end |
24913.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4948].text |
所以一旦被方會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].start |
24913.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].end |
24915.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4949].text |
幾乎我們沒有地方活動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].start |
24915.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].end |
24917.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4950].text |
好陳牧師的研談當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].start |
24917.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].end |
24918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4951].text |
我大概知道說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].start |
24918.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].end |
24920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4952].text |
從那個能力裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].start |
24920.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].end |
24923.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4953].text |
你大概知道說制度改善的能力很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].start |
24923.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].end |
24925.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4954].text |
可能是現在你迫缺是要知道的 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].start |
24925.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].end |
24927.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4955].text |
所以我覺得你如果當監察委員的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].start |
24927.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].end |
24930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4956].text |
我覺得你應該要主動提出調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].start |
24930.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].end |
24932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4957].text |
這就是你最重要的能力 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].start |
24932.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].end |
24934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4958].text |
也是未來你要做的方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].start |
24934.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].end |
24936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4959].text |
第三個就是我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].start |
24936.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].end |
24940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4960].text |
我看到你有看到你之前在原轉會 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].start |
24940.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].end |
24943.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4961].text |
那我知道說原轉會之前有推公法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].start |
24943.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].end |
24945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4962].text |
有推傳統領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].start |
24945.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].end |
24950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4963].text |
不過也就你當傳統轉型正義委員這個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].start |
24950.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].end |
24952.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4964].text |
你覺得原民會這方面有做到 |
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有做到應該做到的一個行政的一個能力嗎 |
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謝謝委員 |
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那在原轉會的幾年 |
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讓我更深知我們族人在碰到的問題 |
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尤其是土地的這個問題 |
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到現在一直還沒有被解決 |
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那也是一樣 |
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可能就是經過我們用那個調查的一個專業 |
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它的真寫在哪裡 |
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它一直沒有辦法進一步 |
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一定有它的因素在裡面 |
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但是我們不應當就這樣退縮 |
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我們藉助這個監察院的一個調查的一個專業 |
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他們對憲法的一個認知 |
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那在這個地方我們也可以一起努力 |
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來解決我們多年來的這樣的一個問題 |
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像我知道傳統領域的公告 |
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希望能夠做各個族群的一個傳統領域 |
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不過從九十一到現在公告了兩個 |
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還被撤銷了一個 |
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所以我覺得原民會這方面的失職 |
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我覺得從當監察委那天開始 |
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我覺得你就應該要去看 |
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到底行政部門的缺失在哪裡 |
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至於公法人的部分是明明就 |
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蔡英文總統就想說要推工法人 |
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可是到現在原民會還是在事辦的階段 |
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你也要去調查為什麼行政單位的一個落差 |
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跟失誤在哪裡可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員 |
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25040.23 |
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我就承諾剛剛的一個回應 |
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一直沒有辦法前進停滯在那個地方 |
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我們可以一起努力 |
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25050.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4998].text |
接觸這個原轉會的一個專業 |
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25054.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[4999].text |
去做努力去調查去認識 |
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這個是一個我們非常重要 |
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要繼續的一個工作 |
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尤其是我們都會一起合作 |
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為了族人為了不公義的事情 |
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我知道還有很多事情 |
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不公義存在我們這個族人這個地方 |
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但是我深信只要我們有心不去也 |
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因為我的經驗我也經驗過在部落的時候 |
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人家跟我講說不可能 |
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就像初期的文化成長班 |
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25084.23 |
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為了婦女的權益 |
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25086.23 |
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已經沒有學校了 |
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25088.23 |
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那我們就寫一個方案 |
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25091.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5013].text |
徵詢那個文化成長班 |
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25093.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5014].text |
人家跟我講說不可能因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5015].start |
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25095.23 |
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那個時候衣衫只有一個 |
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那我說不行我們就試試看 |
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剛好蔡偶像也在徵詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5018].start |
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25101.23 |
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因為他們沒有文化成長班 |
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25104.23 |
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但是她是即便她是我的同工 |
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所以我跟她講說我們公平競爭 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5021].end |
25110.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5021].text |
然後這個人民會才來聽我們的簡報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5022].text |
最後就在排灣村這個地方 |
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25119.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5023].text |
還有派出所我們是第一個 |
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25121.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5024].text |
希望高牧師你用以前你的堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].start |
25121.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].end |
25123.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5025].text |
跟你的努力跟你的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].start |
25123.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].end |
25125.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5026].text |
我想有一個案子就是跟你分享一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].start |
25125.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].end |
25131.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5027].text |
監察院就台電大甲系官民抽蓄水力發電計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].start |
25131.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].end |
25133.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5028].text |
提出糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5029].end |
25135.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5029].text |
但是其中有一個重要的爭議點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].start |
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25137.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5030].text |
就是我們和平區的哈倫台 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5031].end |
25139.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5031].text |
嘉洋跟黎山部落的傳統領域 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].start |
25139.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].end |
25141.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5032].text |
和平區竟然認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].start |
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25143.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5033].text |
它並不是所謂的關係部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5034].end |
25146.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5034].text |
以至於沒有辦法對這些部落 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].start |
25146.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].end |
25150.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5035].text |
所謂的一個做諮商統一的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].start |
25150.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].end |
25152.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5036].text |
我覺得這個部分有很大的缺失 |
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25155.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5037].text |
以後如果到宜蘭像地熱的 |
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比如說花蓮有些地熱的議題 |
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25159.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5039].text |
你可能也會接觸到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].start |
25159.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].end |
25161.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5040].text |
這些關係部落的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].start |
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25163.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5041].text |
以後的諮商統一權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].start |
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25165.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5042].text |
我覺得這個部分是你應該要 |
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25167.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5043].text |
真正的去著墨的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5044].end |
25169.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5044].text |
尤其是現在我們反山西的風電 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].start |
25169.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].end |
25171.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[5045].text |
還有我們那個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5046].end |
25174.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5046].text |
風港地區的西瓜種植案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5047].end |
25176.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5047].text |
其實目前都停滯在一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5048].end |
25178.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5048].text |
跨部會的協調當中 |
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25182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5049].text |
甚至是無解 |
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25184.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5050].text |
那我想說就你當檢察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].start |
25184.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].end |
25187.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5051].text |
我覺得這個比較困難的執行的案件 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5052].end |
25189.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5052].text |
或者說也需要跨部會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5053].end |
25191.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5053].text |
要來執行的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].start |
25191.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].end |
25193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5054].text |
我們部落發展的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].start |
25193.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].end |
25196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5055].text |
我覺得你要以檢察委員的身份 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].start |
25196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].end |
25198.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5056].text |
去主動來跨部會來調查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5057].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[5057].text |
到底行政程序的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5058].end |
25202.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5058].text |
在南行的地方在哪裡 |
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25204.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5059].text |
把問題點找出來可以嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].start |
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25206.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5060].text |
可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].start |
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25210.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5061].text |
我會去記委員的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].start |
25210.22 |
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25212.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5062].text |
然後當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5063].end |
25214.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5063].text |
如果有機會到監察院請示委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].start |
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25216.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5064].text |
一定是常常有的 |
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25219.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5065].text |
我想問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].start |
25219.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].end |
25221.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5066].text |
你心裡面有沒有一個答案就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5067].end |
25225.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5067].text |
如果你真的做滿六年的任期 |
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25225.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].end |
25229.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5068].text |
你希望推進三項具體的制度的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].start |
25229.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].end |
25231.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5069].text |
你希望能夠有哪三項 |
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你最在意的是哪三項 |
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呃 |
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如果有機會當這個監察委員的委員 |
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第一個就是怎麼樣 |
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我剛剛就不斷的在講 |
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就是主任的聲音 |
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能夠經過我們的轉換成為一個議案 |
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讓監察院聽到 |
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能夠讓主任也看到一個監察院 |
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有溫度的聽到部落 |
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來服務我們主任 |
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這個是第一個 |
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第二個剛剛所想到的土地 |
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一直是我們的問題 |
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也會在這個地方琢磨 |
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然後剛剛講過 |
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會不斷的請示委員 |
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因為你們比我們更清楚 |
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所以我會不斷的做請示 |
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那希望我們為主任有很好的合作 |
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那我希望最後就是 |
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25287.73 |
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甚至你面對提名你的政府 |
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25289.73 |
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你都能夠獨立的查清事實 |
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來判斷責任 |
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25293.73 |
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這才是我們原住民的福祉 |
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謝謝 |
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謝謝 委員 |
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謝謝被提名的 |
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25304.76 |
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報告全院委員會 |
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25306.76 |
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對監察委員被提名人高天惠 |
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25308.76 |
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詢答部分到此為止 |
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25310.76 |
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謝謝高被提名人 |
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25311.76 |
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列席答詢 |
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25312.76 |
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報告全院委員會 |
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25312.76 |
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25314.76 |
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休息五分鐘休息之後 |
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25316.76 |
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進行對監察委員被提名人 |
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25316.76 |
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25318.76 |
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張菊芳質詢問 |
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25318.76 |
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25320.76 |
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現在休息 |
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25635.52 |
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25637.52 |
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報告全院委員會 |
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25639.52 |
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現在繼續開會 |
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25641.52 |
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監察委員被提名人張菊芳 |
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之資格相關事項 |
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25645.52 |
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請被提名人張菊芳女士說明 |
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25647.52 |
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時間為五分鐘 |
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25655.8 |
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25657.8 |
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休息 |
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25659.89 |
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各位委員 各位女士 各位先生 |
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25659.89 |
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25661.89 |
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大家好 |
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25663.89 |
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我是監察委員的 |
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25665.89 |
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以及國家人權委員會的被提名人 |
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25667.89 |
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張菊芳 |
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25669.89 |
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很榮幸到大院 |
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25671.89 |
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報告 接受各位委員的審查 |
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25673.59 |
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25675.59 |
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個人是在台大法律系求學期間 |
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25675.59 |
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25679.59 |
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開始了民主法制人權的啟蒙 |
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25683.59 |
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對於之後在職業律師以及其後擔任監委 |
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25685.59 |
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都有相當的注意 |
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25689.59 |
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以下我就分幾個面向來跟大家報告 |
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第一個部分是在職業律師階段 |
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25695.59 |
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並積極參與公共事務 |
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我職業律師的部分 |
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25699.59 |
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我是自詡專業 |
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25701.59 |
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嚴謹認真負責 |
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25701.59 |
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25703.59 |
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並且我參與召集相關的 |
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25707.59 |
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性平兒少權益的相關法律的修法 |
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25711.59 |
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希望能夠從法律面還有制度面進行改革 |
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25711.59 |
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25717.59 |
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也很感謝獲得了優秀公益律師的一個獎項的肯定 |
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並且我也陸續的擔任法輔 |
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25723.59 |
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輔助律師 |
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25725.59 |
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並且擔任分會長 董事 |
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25727.59 |
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希望協助弱勢民眾 |
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25729.59 |
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給他們一個制度性的援助 |
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25729.59 |
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25733.59 |
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來維護憲法保障他們的訴訟權跟平等權 |
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25737.59 |
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並且我在擔任台北律師公會理事長期間 |
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期間除了推動會務 |
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25741.59 |
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我也並且推動司改 |
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25741.59 |
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25743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5145].text |
並促進民主法治 |
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25747.59 |
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第二個面向是在擔任第六屆的監委 |
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25753.59 |
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並經鄰派為國家人權會的第一年首年的委員 |
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25755.59 |
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我在監委任內 |
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25759.59 |
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我共參與約150個案的調查案 |
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25763.59 |
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因為類型是非常的多元 |
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25767.59 |
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所以大致上會有十幾個類型 |
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25771.59 |
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經審議通過彈劾 糾舉 糾正以及含情改善 |
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後續的部分 |
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25775.59 |
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我們也經由核簽這個部分 |
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25775.59 |
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25779.59 |
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來追蹤相關機制跟法令的改進 |
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25779.59 |
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25781.59 |
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希望能夠讓我們能夠進一步 |
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25781.59 |
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25783.59 |
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我舉起劍因為時間的關係 |
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25787.59 |
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部分重要的案件跟大家報告 |
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25791.59 |
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詳細的部分其實可以參與監察院的網站的部分 |
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25791.59 |
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25795.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5160].text |
包括我調查兒少權益相關的案件 |
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25795.59 |
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25799.59 |
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我想大家都深感痛心的凱凱案 |
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25803.59 |
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以及兒虐不當管教這個系列事件 |
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25803.59 |
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25805.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25805.59 |
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25807.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5164].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25807.59 |
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25809.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25809.59 |
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25811.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25813.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25815.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25817.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25819.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25821.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25823.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25825.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5174].end |
25827.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5174].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[5175].end |
25829.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25831.59 |
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我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25831.59 |
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25833.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5177].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25833.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].end |
25835.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5178].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25835.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].end |
25837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5179].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25837.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].end |
25839.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5180].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25839.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].end |
25841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5181].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25841.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].end |
25843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5182].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25843.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].end |
25845.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5183].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25845.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].end |
25847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5184].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25847.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].end |
25849.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5185].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25849.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].end |
25851.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5186].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25851.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].end |
25853.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5187].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
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25853.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].end |
25855.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5188].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].start |
25855.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].end |
25857.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5189].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].start |
25857.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].end |
25859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5190].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].start |
25859.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].end |
25861.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5191].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].start |
25861.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].end |
25863.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5192].text |
我們從保姆到女兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].start |
25864.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].end |
25866.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5193].text |
以及包括調查警政維師案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].start |
25866.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].end |
25868.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5194].text |
我想大家非常關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].start |
25868.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].end |
25870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5195].text |
長榮大學馬來西亞籍大學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].start |
25870.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].end |
25872.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5196].text |
被性侵殺害案 |
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25872.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].end |
25874.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5197].text |
以及包括調查 |
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25874.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].end |
25876.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5198].text |
機關主管職場 |
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25876.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].end |
25878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5199].text |
霸凌重大維師案 |
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25878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].end |
25880.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5200].text |
提出彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].start |
25880.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].end |
25882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5201].text |
還有權勢性評 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].start |
25882.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].end |
25884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5202].text |
以及調查貪圖 |
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25884.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].end |
25886.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5203].text |
採購維師 |
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25886.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].end |
25888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5204].text |
並且也調查石安案件 |
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25888.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].end |
25890.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5205].text |
跟大家都息息相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].start |
25890.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].end |
25892.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5206].text |
像保齡茶室 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].start |
25892.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].end |
25894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5207].text |
食物中毒案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].start |
25894.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].end |
25896.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5208].text |
芬普尼雞蛋案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].start |
25896.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].end |
25898.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5209].text |
還有問題租場 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].start |
25898.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].end |
25900.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5210].text |
流入市場市面販售 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].start |
25900.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].end |
25902.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5211].text |
也調查機關都島 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].start |
25902.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].end |
25904.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5212].text |
像風景區步道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].start |
25904.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].end |
25906.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5213].text |
安全的檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].start |
25906.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].end |
25908.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5214].text |
我們調查的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].start |
25908.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].end |
25910.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5215].text |
都是跟人民群體息息相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].start |
25910.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].end |
25912.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5216].text |
有些是矚目案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].start |
25912.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].end |
25914.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5217].text |
有些是未必矚目 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].start |
25914.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].end |
25916.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5218].text |
但都是人民的冤屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].start |
25916.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].end |
25918.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5219].text |
再者我被淩派為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].start |
25918.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].end |
25920.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5220].text |
人權會首年委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].start |
25920.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].end |
25922.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5221].text |
的人權案件跟計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].start |
25922.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].end |
25924.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5222].text |
包括參與辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].start |
25924.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].end |
25926.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5223].text |
校園及安置機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].start |
25926.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].end |
25928.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5224].text |
兒少性侵系統性訪查案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].start |
25928.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].end |
25930.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5225].text |
擔任督辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].start |
25930.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].end |
25932.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5226].text |
我們提出專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].start |
25932.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].end |
25934.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5227].text |
也提出政策建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].start |
25934.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].end |
25936.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5228].text |
政策建議裡面就包含了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].start |
25936.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].end |
25938.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5229].text |
延長未成年性侵害案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].start |
25938.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].end |
25940.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5230].text |
被害人追溯權期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].start |
25940.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].end |
25942.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5231].text |
這個議題我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].start |
25942.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].end |
25944.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5232].text |
也經過了各界公民團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].start |
25944.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].end |
25946.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5233].text |
各界的一個倡議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].start |
25946.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].end |
25948.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5234].text |
研議機關的研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].start |
25948.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].end |
25950.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5235].text |
進其是立法院三讀通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].start |
25950.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].end |
25952.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5236].text |
刑法修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].start |
25952.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].end |
25954.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5237].text |
也包括提出人權調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].start |
25954.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].end |
25956.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5238].text |
以及參與人權會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].start |
25956.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].end |
25958.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5239].text |
防治酷刑機制進行訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].start |
25982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].end |
25984.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5240].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].start |
25985 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].end |
25987 |
| transcript.whisperx[5241].text |
張貝提米人之說語 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].start |
25989.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].end |
25991.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5242].text |
現在進行委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].start |
25991.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].end |
25993.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5243].text |
首先請王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].start |
25993.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].end |
25995.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5244].text |
洪威詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].start |
26008.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].end |
26010.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5245].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].start |
26010.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].end |
26012.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5246].text |
請貝提米人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].start |
26012.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].end |
26014.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5247].text |
請張貝提米人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].start |
26021.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].end |
26023.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5248].text |
貝提米人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].start |
26023.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].end |
26025.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5249].text |
我有看你的自傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].start |
26025.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].end |
26027.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5250].text |
還有你對於立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].start |
26027.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].end |
26029.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5251].text |
我們審查的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].start |
26029.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].end |
26031.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5252].text |
那您有特別強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].start |
26031.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].end |
26033.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5253].text |
您有參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].start |
26033.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].end |
26035.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5254].text |
我們國家人權委員會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].start |
26035.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].end |
26037.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5255].text |
首年委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].start |
26037.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].end |
26039.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5256].text |
所以案例您非常重視人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].start |
26039.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].end |
26041.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5257].text |
但是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].start |
26041.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].end |
26043.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5258].text |
最近社會有幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].start |
26043.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].end |
26045.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5259].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].start |
26045.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].end |
26047.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5260].text |
攸關於一些人權問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].start |
26047.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].end |
26049.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5261].text |
當然它也有高度的政治性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].start |
26049.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].end |
26051.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5262].text |
我想請教您的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].start |
26052.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].end |
26054.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[5263].text |
比如說今年九合一選舉又到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].start |
26055.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].end |
26057.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5264].text |
但是我們回顧過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].start |
26057.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].end |
26059.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5265].text |
幾個重大的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].start |
26060.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].end |
26062.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5266].text |
都發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].start |
26062.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].end |
26064.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5267].text |
以所謂的反滲透法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].start |
26064.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].end |
26066.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5268].text |
或者國安法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].start |
26066.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].end |
26068.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5269].text |
在選前大級的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].start |
26068.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].end |
26070.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5270].text |
搜索或者是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].start |
26070.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].end |
26072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5271].text |
羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].start |
26072.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].end |
26074.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5272].text |
這裡面其實比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].start |
26074.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].end |
26076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5273].text |
我們為人所熟知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].start |
26076.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].end |
26078.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5274].text |
包含在2022 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].start |
26078.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].end |
26080.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5275].text |
24年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].start |
26080.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].end |
26082.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5276].text |
2024年像我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].start |
26082.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].end |
26084.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5277].text |
立委選舉我們台北市 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].start |
26084.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].end |
26086.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5278].text |
幾乎很多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].start |
26086.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].end |
26088.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5279].text |
里長通通被 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].start |
26088.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].end |
26090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5280].text |
約談甚至 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].start |
26090.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].end |
26092.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5281].text |
沒收手機 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].start |
26092.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].end |
26096.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5282].text |
另外在2024年選舉的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].start |
26096.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].end |
26098.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5283].text |
在選前的幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].start |
26098.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].end |
26100.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[5284].text |
一個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].start |
26100.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].end |
26102.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5285].text |
有我們基隆的里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].start |
26102.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].end |
26104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5286].text |
因為率團到大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].start |
26104.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].end |
26106.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5287].text |
去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].start |
26107.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].end |
26109.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5288].text |
他被羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].start |
26109.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].end |
26111.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5289].text |
而且被兩度羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].start |
26111.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].end |
26113.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5290].text |
一直羈押到選前幾天才把它放出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].start |
26113.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].end |
26115.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5291].text |
但是事後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].start |
26115.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].end |
26117.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5292].text |
他都是無罪確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].start |
26117.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].end |
26119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5293].text |
而且他也因此 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].start |
26119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].end |
26121.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5294].text |
他可以得到這個刑事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].start |
26121.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].end |
26123.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5295].text |
補償大概九萬多塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].start |
26124.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].end |
26126.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[5296].text |
那另外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].start |
26125.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].end |
26127.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5297].text |
在同樣的2024年的大選的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].start |
26127.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].end |
26129.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5298].text |
他不是里長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].start |
26129.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].end |
26131.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5299].text |
是一個協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].start |
26131.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].end |
26133.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[5300].text |
他也是到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].start |
26133.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].end |
26135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5301].text |
中國大陸去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].start |
26135.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].end |
26137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5302].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].start |
26137.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].end |
26139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5303].text |
背叛 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].start |
26139.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].end |
26141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5304].text |
用反滲透法意圖影響選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].start |
26141.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].end |
26143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5305].text |
但是包含一省 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].start |
26143.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].end |
26145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5306].text |
二省通通被判 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].start |
26145.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].end |
26147.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5307].text |
無罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].start |
26147.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].end |
26149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5308].text |
所以我相信在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].start |
26149.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].end |
26151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5309].text |
今年選舉或明年選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].start |
26151.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].end |
26153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5310].text |
非常有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].start |
26153.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].end |
26155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5311].text |
這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].start |
26155.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].end |
26157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5312].text |
就是嚴重侵害人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].start |
26157.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].end |
26159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5313].text |
而且跟選舉有關係的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].start |
26159.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].end |
26161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5314].text |
會再度的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].start |
26161.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].end |
26163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5315].text |
我不曉得您的看法如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].start |
26163.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].end |
26165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5316].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].start |
26165.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].end |
26167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5317].text |
我把它一起問完 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].start |
26167.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].end |
26169.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[5318].text |
另外那麼這幾年呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].start |
26169.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].end |
26173.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5319].text |
我們常常有社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].start |
26173.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].end |
26175.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5320].text |
來送辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].start |
26175.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].end |
26177.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5321].text |
那如果你看過去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].start |
26177.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].end |
26179.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5322].text |
他的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].start |
26179.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].end |
26181.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[5323].text |
操 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].start |
26181.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].end |
26183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5324].text |
111年到115年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].start |
26183.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].end |
26185.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5325].text |
可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].start |
26185.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].end |
26187.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5326].text |
其實移送的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].start |
26187.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].end |
26189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5327].text |
絕大部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].start |
26189.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].end |
26191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5328].text |
根本是完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].start |
26191.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].end |
26193.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5329].text |
不成立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].start |
26193.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].end |
26195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5330].text |
完全不成立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].start |
26195.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].end |
26197.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[5331].text |
都有大概七成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].start |
26196.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].end |
26198.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5332].text |
或到八成左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].start |
26198.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].end |
26200.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5333].text |
那也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].start |
26199.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].end |
26201.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5334].text |
社會秩序維護法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].start |
26201.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].end |
26203.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5335].text |
移送或者約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].start |
26203.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].end |
26205.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5336].text |
其實從這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].start |
26205.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].end |
26207.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5337].text |
資料看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].start |
26207.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].end |
26209.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5338].text |
顯示他有濫用之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].start |
26210.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].end |
26212.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5339].text |
過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].start |
26212.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].end |
26214.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5340].text |
監察院也曾經對幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].start |
26214.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].end |
26216.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5341].text |
案子提出了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].start |
26216.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].end |
26218.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5342].text |
提出了警告 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].start |
26218.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].end |
26220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5343].text |
或者提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].start |
26219.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].end |
26221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5344].text |
例如呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].start |
26221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].end |
26223.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5345].text |
曾經過去監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].start |
26223.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].end |
26225.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5346].text |
就有新聞稿 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].start |
26225.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].end |
26227.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5347].text |
認為呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].start |
26227.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].end |
26229.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5348].text |
這些警察機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].start |
26229.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].end |
26231.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5349].text |
以所謂的社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].start |
26231.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].end |
26233.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5350].text |
移送散佈謠言的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].start |
26233.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].end |
26235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5351].text |
應該要審慎移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].start |
26235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].end |
26237.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5352].text |
而且應該遵循憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].start |
26237.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].end |
26239.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5353].text |
保障言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].start |
26239.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].end |
26241.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[5354].text |
的一個界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].start |
26242.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].end |
26244.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5355].text |
那這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].start |
26244.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].end |
26246.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5356].text |
發生了幾件大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].start |
26246.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].end |
26248.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5357].text |
一直都記憶猶新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].start |
26248.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].end |
26250.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5358].text |
比如說在網路上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].start |
26250.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].end |
26252.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5359].text |
有一個民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].start |
26252.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].end |
26254.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5360].text |
他問陳菊還在嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].start |
26254.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].end |
26256.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5361].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].start |
26256.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].end |
26258.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[5362].text |
就四個小時他就被約談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].start |
26259.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].end |
26261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5363].text |
那也有在那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].start |
26261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].end |
26263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5364].text |
這個超市雞蛋的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].start |
26263.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].end |
26265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5365].text |
那時候我們非常缺雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].start |
26265.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].end |
26267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5366].text |
有民眾把他家裡的所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].start |
26267.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].end |
26269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5367].text |
臭雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].start |
26269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].end |
26271.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5368].text |
拋到了網路上他自己碰到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].start |
26271.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].end |
26273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5369].text |
臭雞蛋立刻還 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].start |
26273.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].end |
26275.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5370].text |
連夜的被約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].start |
26276.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].end |
26278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5371].text |
另外台大教授蘇鴻達教授 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].start |
26278.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].end |
26280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5372].text |
他在網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].start |
26280.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].end |
26282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5373].text |
發表了說誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].start |
26282.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].end |
26284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5374].text |
消滅了故宮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].start |
26284.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].end |
26286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5375].text |
而且是已經隔一年之久 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].start |
26286.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].end |
26288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5376].text |
還是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].start |
26288.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].end |
26290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5377].text |
被約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].start |
26290.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].end |
26292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5378].text |
這幾個案件都讓外界 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].start |
26292.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].end |
26294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5379].text |
認為是不是有濫用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].start |
26294.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].end |
26296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5380].text |
社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].start |
26296.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].end |
26298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5381].text |
沒有真正的保障人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].start |
26298.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].end |
26300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5382].text |
保障言論自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].start |
26300.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].end |
26302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5383].text |
像蘇鴻達那個案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].start |
26302.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].end |
26304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5384].text |
那個時候監察院也有提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].start |
26304.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].end |
26306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5385].text |
說事實上已經隔了一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].start |
26306.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].end |
26308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5386].text |
還去移送 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].start |
26308.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].end |
26310.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5387].text |
所以我不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].start |
26312.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].end |
26314.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5388].text |
這個被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].start |
26314.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].end |
26316.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5389].text |
針對我剛才所講的幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].start |
26316.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].end |
26318.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5390].text |
不管是在選舉時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].start |
26318.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].end |
26320.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5391].text |
的大舉爭判 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].start |
26320.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].end |
26322.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5392].text |
最後無罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].start |
26322.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].end |
26324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5393].text |
選完了之後就沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].start |
26324.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].end |
26326.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5394].text |
也就無罪了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].start |
26325.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].end |
26327.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5395].text |
而很多的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].start |
26327.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].end |
26329.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5396].text |
他被約談 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].start |
26329.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].end |
26331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5397].text |
甚至被羈押 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].start |
26331.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].end |
26333.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5398].text |
當然是有違反人權之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].start |
26333.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].end |
26335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5399].text |
或者我剛才講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].start |
26335.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].end |
26337.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5400].text |
濫用社會秩序維護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].start |
26337.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].end |
26339.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5401].text |
的這樣的一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].start |
26339.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].end |
26341.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[5402].text |
被提名人你的看法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].start |
26342.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5403].end |
26344.33 |
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我想首先 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].start |
26344.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].end |
26346.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5404].text |
謝謝委員的提問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].start |
26346.33 |
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26348.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5405].text |
我想很多事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].start |
26348.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].end |
26350.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5406].text |
我個人不只在人權會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].start |
26350.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].end |
26352.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5407].text |
還有監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].start |
26352.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].end |
26354.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5408].text |
我們看到很多的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].start |
26354.33 |
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26356.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5409].text |
即便現在有相關的法令機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].start |
26356.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].end |
26358.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5410].text |
但是執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].start |
26358.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5411].end |
26360.33 |
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是一個最大的考驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].start |
26360.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5412].end |
26362.33 |
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也就是說很多在執行面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5413].start |
26362.33 |
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26364.33 |
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的部分 |
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26364.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].end |
26366.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5414].text |
他在處理上確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].start |
26366.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].end |
26368.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5415].text |
沒有顧及到人民權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].start |
26368.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].end |
26370.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5416].text |
或人民的體認 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].start |
26370.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].end |
26372.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5417].text |
這個部分常常也就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].start |
26372.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].end |
26374.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5418].text |
會引發外界質疑之所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].start |
26374.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].end |
26376.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5419].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].start |
26376.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].end |
26378.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5420].text |
我想那個是要深自期許 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].start |
26378.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].end |
26380.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5421].text |
下次不再 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].start |
26380.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].end |
26382.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5422].text |
做這樣一個模式處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].start |
26382.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].end |
26384.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5423].text |
問題再者 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].start |
26384.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].end |
26386.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5424].text |
人權會他有一個功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].start |
26386.33 |
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26388.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5425].text |
也就是針對假設像 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].start |
26388.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].end |
26390.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5426].text |
這樣的人權議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].start |
26390.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].end |
26392.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5427].text |
他也是多次的發生他已經反覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].start |
26392.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].end |
26394.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5428].text |
的發生而且我們也看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].start |
26394.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].end |
26396.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5429].text |
一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].start |
26396.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].end |
26398.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5430].text |
這些問題有違反人權之虞 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].start |
26398.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].end |
26400.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5431].text |
這樣的情況我們會考慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].start |
26400.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].end |
26402.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5432].text |
要不要進入已經是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].start |
26402.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].end |
26404.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5433].text |
結構性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].start |
26404.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].end |
26406.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5434].text |
他不只是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].start |
26406.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].end |
26408.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5435].text |
既然介入結構性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].start |
26408.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].end |
26410.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5436].text |
就要用一個結構性系統性的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].start |
26410.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].end |
26412.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5437].text |
把完整的系統原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].start |
26412.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].end |
26414.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5438].text |
把它找出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].start |
26414.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].end |
26416.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5439].text |
找出來之後我們不止 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].start |
26416.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].end |
26418.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5440].text |
我想外界也會說你只 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].start |
26418.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].end |
26420.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5441].text |
提個專案報告我們要提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].start |
26420.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].end |
26422.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5442].text |
政策建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].start |
26422.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].end |
26424.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5443].text |
我們提出政策建議之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].start |
26424.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].end |
26426.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5444].text |
後續重點是追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].start |
26426.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].end |
26428.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5445].text |
背提名人因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].start |
26428.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].end |
26430.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5446].text |
你之前是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].start |
26430.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].end |
26432.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5447].text |
監委因為你並不是這次新 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].start |
26432.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].end |
26434.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5448].text |
背提名我剛才講的社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].start |
26434.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].end |
26436.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5449].text |
秩序維護法這樣的被濫用 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].start |
26436.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].end |
26438.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5450].text |
他的時間其實是蠻 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].start |
26438.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].end |
26440.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5451].text |
久了我剛才甚至提出從 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].start |
26440.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].end |
26442.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5452].text |
111年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].start |
26442.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].end |
26444.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5453].text |
可以這只是回溯到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].start |
26444.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].end |
26446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5454].text |
111年其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].start |
26446.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].end |
26448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5455].text |
整個的這個依社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].start |
26448.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].end |
26450.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5456].text |
秩序維護法移送但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].start |
26450.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].end |
26452.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5457].text |
事實上不乏的比例極高 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].start |
26452.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].end |
26454.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5458].text |
可是非常遺憾的我沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].start |
26454.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].end |
26456.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5459].text |
看到那時候的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].start |
26456.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].end |
26458.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5460].text |
監察院對這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].start |
26458.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].end |
26460.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5461].text |
有些什麼特別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].start |
26460.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].end |
26462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5462].text |
這個的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].start |
26462.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].end |
26464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5463].text |
提案或者是提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].start |
26464.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].end |
26466.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5464].text |
檢討另外最近還 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].start |
26466.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].end |
26468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5465].text |
發生了就是大家很重視食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].start |
26468.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].end |
26470.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5466].text |
問題我剛才有注意到你也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].start |
26470.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].end |
26472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5467].text |
很重視食安是那麼在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].start |
26472.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].end |
26474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5468].text |
網路上有一個影片 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].start |
26474.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].end |
26476.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[5469].text |
叫由不得你 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].start |
26476.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].end |
26478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5470].text |
這個時候警察上門 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].start |
26478.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].end |
26480.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5471].text |
以所謂的他是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].start |
26480.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].end |
26482.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5472].text |
身為AI的變照 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].start |
26482.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].end |
26484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5473].text |
聲音然後直接 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].start |
26484.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].end |
26486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5474].text |
上門但是經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].start |
26486.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].end |
26488.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5475].text |
我們的質詢發現了很 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].start |
26488.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].end |
26490.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5476].text |
重要的兩件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].start |
26490.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].end |
26492.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5477].text |
第一件事情就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].start |
26492.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].end |
26494.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5478].text |
警察上門的時候根本 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].start |
26494.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].end |
26496.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5479].text |
沒有完成鑑定沒有完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].start |
26496.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].end |
26498.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5480].text |
任何的鑑定第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].start |
26498.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].end |
26500.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5481].text |
警察上門之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].start |
26500.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].end |
26502.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5482].text |
根本沒有跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].start |
26502.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].end |
26504.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5483].text |
這個就是他找的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].start |
26504.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].end |
26506.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5484].text |
去詳細說明你到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].start |
26506.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].end |
26508.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5485].text |
違反哪一個條法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].start |
26508.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].end |
26510.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5486].text |
所以這個事件其實也 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].start |
26510.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].end |
26512.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5487].text |
引起了非常多的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].start |
26512.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].end |
26514.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5488].text |
也就是說其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].start |
26514.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].end |
26516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5489].text |
我們現在就是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].start |
26516.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].end |
26518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5490].text |
政治上我們現在社會確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].start |
26518.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].end |
26520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5491].text |
在政治上是對立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].start |
26520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].end |
26522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5492].text |
但是如果我們的司法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].start |
26522.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].end |
26524.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5493].text |
或者警察 |
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26524.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].end |
26526.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5494].text |
檢調不能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].start |
26526.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].end |
26528.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5495].text |
恪守這些司法中立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].start |
26528.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].end |
26530.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5496].text |
以及這些人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].start |
26530.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].end |
26532.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5497].text |
的界線的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].start |
26532.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].end |
26534.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5498].text |
那麼就非常容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].start |
26534.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].end |
26536.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5499].text |
讓我們的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].start |
26536.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].end |
26538.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5500].text |
倒退讓人家以為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].start |
26538.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].end |
26540.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5501].text |
警察國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].start |
26540.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].end |
26542.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5502].text |
另外我再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].start |
26542.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].end |
26544.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5503].text |
這個被提名人我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].start |
26544.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].end |
26546.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[5504].text |
你的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].start |
26545.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].end |
26547.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5505].text |
有針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].start |
26547.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].end |
26549.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[5506].text |
針對台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].start |
26549.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].end |
26551.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[5507].text |
這個台南土地被 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].start |
26551.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].end |
26553.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5508].text |
偷盜廢土 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].start |
26553.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].end |
26555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5509].text |
的處理不當也有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].start |
26555.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].end |
26557.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5510].text |
做調查最近 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].start |
26557.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].end |
26559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5511].text |
台糖有一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].start |
26559.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].end |
26561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5512].text |
我自己個人覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].start |
26561.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].end |
26563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5513].text |
沒有辦法接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].start |
26563.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].end |
26565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5514].text |
就是台糖被偷到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].start |
26565.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].end |
26567.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5515].text |
土地很嚴重 |
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26567.16 |
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一樣台糖被 |
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26569.16 |
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26571.16 |
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欠 |
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26571.16 |
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26573.16 |
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就是我奶人欠他 |
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26573.16 |
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26575.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5519].text |
一億七千萬到 |
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26575.16 |
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26577.16 |
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現在為止通通不還 |
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26577.16 |
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26579.16 |
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你對於台糖 |
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26579.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].end |
26581.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5522].text |
國營事業這樣的做法 |
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26581.16 |
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26583.16 |
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你的看法是什麼 |
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26583.16 |
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26585.16 |
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我是不是前面有個食安問題 |
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26585.16 |
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26587.16 |
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我先分兩個部分 |
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26587.16 |
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26589.16 |
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第一個 |
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26589.72 |
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26591.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5527].text |
食安問題如果有一部分 |
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26591.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5528].end |
26593.72 |
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是進入司法調查我們會 |
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26593.72 |
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26595.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5529].text |
尊重司法核心 |
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26595.72 |
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26597.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5530].text |
但是假設有執行不當 |
| transcript.whisperx[5531].start |
26597.72 |
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26599.72 |
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涉及到公務機關以及 |
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26599.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5532].end |
26601.72 |
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警察的 |
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26601.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].end |
26603.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5533].text |
這就是我們監察院 |
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26603.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5534].end |
26605.72 |
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要處理的部分 |
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26605.72 |
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26607.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5535].text |
這首先的說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[5536].start |
26607.72 |
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26609.72 |
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我想食安我想大家非常關心 |
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26609.72 |
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26611.72 |
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從源頭通報 |
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26611.72 |
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26613.72 |
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還有包括下架 |
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26613.72 |
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26615.72 |
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這都是我們深切的 |
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26615.72 |
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26617.72 |
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認為很多產生的一個 |
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26617.72 |
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26619.72 |
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食安問題 |
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26619.72 |
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26621.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5542].text |
再者就是台糖案的部分 |
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26621.72 |
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26623.72 |
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我想第一個部分 |
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26623.72 |
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26625.72 |
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我也您相當用心我們確實 |
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26625.72 |
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26627.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5545].text |
有處理到這種偷到這個部分 |
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26664.94 |
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26666.94 |
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謝謝大家 |
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26666.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5547].end |
26668.88 |
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謝謝大家 |
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26670.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].end |
26672.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[5548].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].start |
26675.34 |
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26677.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5549].text |
謝謝 |
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26677.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].end |
26679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5550].text |
謝謝王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].start |
26679.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].end |
26681.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5551].text |
下一位請許中信委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].start |
26702.59 |
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26704.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5552].text |
主席我們有請 |
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26704.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].end |
26706.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5553].text |
張局方張律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].start |
26708.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].end |
26710.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5554].text |
張被提名人 |
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26713.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].end |
26715.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5555].text |
張律師好 |
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26715.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].end |
26719.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5556].text |
我對律師這個職務非常的敬重 |
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26719.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].end |
26721.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5557].text |
因為我也曾經開業當律師 |
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26721.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].end |
26723.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5558].text |
不到三個月我就關門 |
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26726.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].end |
26728.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[5559].text |
我今天要來跟 |
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26728.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].end |
26730.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5560].text |
張律師請降 |
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26730.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].end |
26732.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5561].text |
我們在台大法學院念書的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].start |
26733.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].end |
26735.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[5562].text |
我們受教於劉青睿 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].start |
26735.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].end |
26737.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5563].text |
林濟東大法官 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].start |
26737.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].end |
26739.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5564].text |
還有我們蔡敦明老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].start |
26741.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].end |
26743.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[5565].text |
他們的教誨 |
| transcript.whisperx[5566].start |
26743.29 |
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26745.29 |
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還有沒有在你的心中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].start |
26745.27 |
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26747.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5567].text |
老師的教誨 |
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26747.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].end |
26749.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5568].text |
我想我雖然不一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].start |
26749.27 |
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26751.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5569].text |
如何的學生 |
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26751.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].end |
26753.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5570].text |
但是老師的教誨 |
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26753.27 |
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26755.27 |
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是在我心中的 |
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26755.27 |
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26757.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5572].text |
這也是我前面提到 |
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26757.27 |
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26759.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5573].text |
我為什麼會提 |
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26759.27 |
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26761.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5574].text |
就是說這些是對我後續 |
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26761.27 |
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26763.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5575].text |
我的工作職業律師以及擔任監委 |
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26763.27 |
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26765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5576].text |
這是有很大的幫忙的 |
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26765.27 |
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26767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5577].text |
所以我對您的期待非常高 |
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26767.27 |
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26769.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5578].text |
謝謝您 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].start |
26769.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].end |
26771.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5579].text |
我來擔任立法委員 |
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26770.73 |
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26772.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5580].text |
我吃完飯都會到台大法學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].start |
26772.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].end |
26774.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5581].text |
去那邊散步 |
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26774.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].end |
26776.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5582].text |
我想到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].start |
26777.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].end |
26779.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[5583].text |
就是這些師長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].start |
26779.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].end |
26781.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[5584].text |
當時對我們的教導 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].start |
26781.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].end |
26783.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[5585].text |
我們今天這個問題要來請教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].start |
26784.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].end |
26789.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5586].text |
也就是說我們本院所通過的法律案預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].start |
26790.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].end |
26792.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5587].text |
行政院長如果覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].start |
26792.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].end |
26794.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5588].text |
自愛難行 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].start |
26794.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].end |
26796.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5589].text |
根據我們的憲法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].start |
26796.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].end |
26798.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5590].text |
本文57條也就是舊法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].start |
26799.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].end |
26801.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5591].text |
行政院長要辭職或是應急接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].start |
26803.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].end |
26805.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5592].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].start |
26804.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].end |
26806.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5593].text |
那我們根據新法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].start |
26806.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].end |
26808.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[5594].text |
也就是徵修條文第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].start |
26808.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].end |
26810.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[5595].text |
只有應急接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].start |
26810.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].end |
26812.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5596].text |
已經沒有辭職的選項 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].start |
26813.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].end |
26815.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5597].text |
這個差異呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].start |
26815.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].end |
26817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5598].text |
表示說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].start |
26817.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].end |
26819.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[5599].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].start |
26818.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].end |
26820.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[5600].text |
已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].start |
26819.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].end |
26821.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[5601].text |
從雙重行政所長治 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].start |
26822.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].end |
26824.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[5602].text |
偏向這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].start |
26825.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].end |
26827.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[5603].text |
比較偏向總統制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].start |
26827.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].end |
26831.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[5604].text |
所以當我們本院所通過的法律案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].start |
26832.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].end |
26834.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[5605].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].start |
26834.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].end |
26836.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5606].text |
中興大學法律系畢業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].start |
26837.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].end |
26839.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[5607].text |
左隆泰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].start |
26839.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].end |
26841.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[5608].text |
行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].start |
26843.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].end |
26845.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5609].text |
我個人從我台大法學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].start |
26846.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].end |
26848.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5610].text |
他可能是中興法學 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].start |
26848.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].end |
26850.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5611].text |
我台大法學認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].start |
26851.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].end |
26853.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5612].text |
這是違憲的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].start |
26852.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].end |
26854.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[5613].text |
您覺得如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].start |
26854.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].end |
26858.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5614].text |
委員我想你有具備非常深厚的法學背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].start |
26858.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].end |
26860.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5615].text |
是非常感到敬佩的一個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].start |
26860.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].end |
26862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5616].text |
您就議題的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].start |
26862.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].end |
26864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5617].text |
也都點出他的爭點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].start |
26864.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].end |
26866.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5618].text |
但是我這邊要說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].start |
26866.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].end |
26868.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5619].text |
這也是外界常常質疑的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].start |
26868.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].end |
26870.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[5620].text |
監察院你為什麼不辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].start |
26872.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].end |
26874.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[5621].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].start |
26873.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].end |
26875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5622].text |
因而會衍生出你為什麼辦的很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].start |
26875.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].end |
26877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5623].text |
那樣的案子你為什麼不辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].start |
26877.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].end |
26879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5624].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].start |
26879.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].end |
26881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5625].text |
如果先監察到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].start |
26881.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].end |
26883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5626].text |
因為我們是權力分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].start |
26883.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].end |
26885.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5627].text |
在目前我們是最高憲政機關 |
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26885.43 |
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26887.43 |
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監察的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].start |
26887.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].end |
26889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5629].text |
我們有權力分立 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].start |
26889.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].end |
26891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5630].text |
分立並且相違 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].start |
26891.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].end |
26893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5631].text |
所以我們都是尊重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].start |
26893.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].end |
26895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5632].text |
司法也是尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].start |
26895.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].end |
26897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5633].text |
也就是說如果這一塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].start |
26897.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].end |
26899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5634].text |
是屬於憲政爭議的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].start |
26899.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].end |
26901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5635].text |
您剛剛都點到非常這個爭點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].start |
26901.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].end |
26903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5636].text |
我們叫法律爭點 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].start |
26903.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].end |
26905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5637].text |
您都提出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].start |
26905.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].end |
26907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5638].text |
這些法律爭點的疑義 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].start |
26907.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].end |
26909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5639].text |
恐怕是憲政層次要去處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].start |
26909.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].end |
26911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5640].text |
憲法法庭要去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].start |
26911.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].end |
26913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5641].text |
但我們這邊會處理的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].start |
26913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].end |
26915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5642].text |
監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].start |
26915.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].end |
26917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5643].text |
監察院要處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].start |
26917.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].end |
26919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5644].text |
如果在整個人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].start |
26919.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].end |
26921.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[5645].text |
他有違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].start |
26923.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].end |
26925.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5646].text |
違背法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].start |
26925.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].end |
26927.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5647].text |
而且有失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].start |
26927.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].end |
26929.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5648].text |
情節重大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].start |
26929.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].end |
26931.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5649].text |
他就會回到我們監院的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].start |
26931.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].end |
26933.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5650].text |
但是我想他有憲政層次的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].start |
26933.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].end |
26935.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5651].text |
我想這也是我身為法律人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].start |
26935.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].end |
26937.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5652].text |
我認為身為法律人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].start |
26937.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].end |
26939.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5653].text |
我也深刻期許的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].start |
26939.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].end |
26941.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5654].text |
該尊重你一定要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].start |
26941.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].end |
26943.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5655].text |
這是人家憲政機關要處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].start |
26943.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].end |
26945.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5656].text |
為什麼你監察院要這樣子去處理呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].start |
26945.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].end |
26947.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5657].text |
這是不宜的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].start |
26947.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].end |
26949.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5658].text |
您都點出了非常好的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].start |
26949.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].end |
26951.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5659].text |
我們憲法之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].start |
26951.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].end |
26953.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5660].text |
我們現在五院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].start |
26953.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].end |
26957.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5661].text |
監察院、立法院、行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].start |
26957.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].end |
26959.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[5662].text |
所以我們監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].start |
26962.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].end |
26964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5663].text |
認為行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].start |
26964.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].end |
26966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5664].text |
有違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].start |
26966.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].end |
26968.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[5665].text |
就要彈劾糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].start |
26968.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].end |
26970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5666].text |
這個不必等到釋憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].start |
26970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].end |
26972.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5667].text |
那是司法權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].start |
26971.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].end |
26973.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[5668].text |
那麼你是監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].start |
26974.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].end |
26976.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[5669].text |
監察跟司法是平行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].start |
26976.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].end |
26978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5670].text |
我們監察沒必要等司法院來認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].start |
26978.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].end |
26980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5671].text |
有沒有違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].start |
26980.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].end |
26982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5672].text |
是的,是平行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].start |
26982.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].end |
26986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5673].text |
我們沒有要等你司法的判斷或如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].start |
26986.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].end |
26988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5674].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].start |
26988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].end |
26990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5675].text |
因為我們的調查有涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].start |
26990.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].end |
26992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5676].text |
我們要所謂的勿忘勿重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].start |
26992.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].end |
26994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5677].text |
我的資料一定要完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].start |
26994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].end |
26996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5678].text |
我不能很片段的去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].start |
26996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].end |
27000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5679].text |
這個也就是監察職權之所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].start |
27000.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].end |
27002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5680].text |
如果您成為監委以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].start |
27002.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].end |
27004.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5681].text |
至少就行政院長不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].start |
27004.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].end |
27006.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5682].text |
你會要申請立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].start |
27006.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].end |
27008.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5683].text |
再來調查證據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].start |
27008.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].end |
27010.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5684].text |
不是,就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].start |
27010.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].end |
27012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5685].text |
因為這也是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].start |
27012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].end |
27014.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5686].text |
不好意思,這還是個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].start |
27014.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].end |
27016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5687].text |
但是我想因為憲法法庭的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].start |
27016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].end |
27018.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5688].text |
現在已經不是個案了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].start |
27018.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].end |
27020.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5689].text |
好多法律都不被附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].start |
27020.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].end |
27022.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5690].text |
是我們台灣現在的行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].start |
27022.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].end |
27024.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5691].text |
他不尊重我們立法權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].start |
27024.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].end |
27026.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5692].text |
一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].start |
27026.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].end |
27032.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5693].text |
就可以把兩千三百萬選出來的人民的立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].start |
27032.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].end |
27034.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5694].text |
所通過的法律案預算案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].start |
27034.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].end |
27036.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[5695].text |
就不再附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].start |
27037.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].end |
27039.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5696].text |
這個是明顯違憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].start |
27039.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].end |
27041.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[5697].text |
所以已經是違法可以彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].start |
27042.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].end |
27046.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5698].text |
但我認為中間是有些爭議之所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].start |
27046.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].end |
27048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5699].text |
因為我們法律人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].start |
27048.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].end |
27051.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5700].text |
我們會對一個法律意見確實是會非常堅持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].start |
27051.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].end |
27054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5701].text |
但是法律意見並不單一 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].start |
27054.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].end |
27056.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5702].text |
它有些就是爭議之所在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].start |
27056.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].end |
27058.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5703].text |
所以我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].start |
27058.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].end |
27060.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5704].text |
這也是我到監院之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].start |
27060.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].end |
27062.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5705].text |
我認為我處理事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].start |
27062.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].end |
27064.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5706].text |
我不要只有一個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].start |
27064.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].end |
27066.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5707].text |
這也是之所以我辦理很多多言 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].start |
27066.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].end |
27068.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5708].text |
我認為要從不同的角度一起看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].start |
27068.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].end |
27070.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5709].text |
我才會有一個勿忘勿重 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].start |
27070.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].end |
27072.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5710].text |
我法律人或許您問我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].start |
27072.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].end |
27074.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5711].text |
我有一個法律意見我可以堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].start |
27074.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].end |
27076.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5712].text |
但是我身為監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].start |
27076.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].end |
27078.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5713].text |
我就不該如此而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].start |
27078.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].end |
27080.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5714].text |
我一定要全面去看 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].start |
27080.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].end |
27082.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5715].text |
假設有憲法爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].start |
27082.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].end |
27084.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5716].text |
我認為有個爭議在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].start |
27084.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].end |
27086.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5717].text |
但每個人看法不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].start |
27086.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].end |
27088.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5718].text |
我認為這裡出現了一個爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].start |
27088.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].end |
27090.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5719].text |
這個爭議又不是監法院可以處理的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].start |
27090.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].end |
27092.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5720].text |
我想我們就要再看一下這個爭議的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].start |
27092.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].end |
27094.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5721].text |
好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].start |
27094.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].end |
27096.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5722].text |
另外一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].start |
27096.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].end |
27098.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[5723].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].start |
27098.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].end |
27100.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[5724].text |
本黨主席柯文哲 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].start |
27100.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].end |
27102.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5725].text |
在偵查階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].start |
27102.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].end |
27104.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5726].text |
我們有偵查不公開嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].start |
27105.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].end |
27107.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5727].text |
但是各位可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].start |
27107.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].end |
27109.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[5728].text |
柯文哲主席的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].start |
27109.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].end |
27111.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[5729].text |
在偵查不公開這個原則之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].start |
27112.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].end |
27114.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5730].text |
竟然有一個媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].start |
27114.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].end |
27116.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5731].text |
鏡周刊 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].start |
27116.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].end |
27118.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5732].text |
他幾乎是同時的發佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].start |
27118.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].end |
27120.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5733].text |
新聞甚至搶先 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].start |
27120.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].end |
27122.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5734].text |
發佈新聞這個有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].start |
27122.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].end |
27124.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5735].text |
違反偵查不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].start |
27125.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].end |
27127.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5736].text |
其實偵查不公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].start |
27127.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].end |
27129.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5737].text |
我個人以前在法界的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].start |
27129.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].end |
27131.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5738].text |
我就非常的注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].start |
27131.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].end |
27133.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5739].text |
非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].start |
27133.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].end |
27135.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5740].text |
注意而且重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].start |
27135.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].end |
27137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5741].text |
你既然是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].start |
27137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].end |
27139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5742].text |
不要在偵查階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].start |
27139.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].end |
27141.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5743].text |
這個是一個偵查不公開的階段 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].start |
27141.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].end |
27143.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[5744].text |
你到底外界是如何得知的呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].start |
27144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].end |
27146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5745].text |
所以表示說您願意 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].start |
27148.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].end |
27150.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5746].text |
成為監委以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].start |
27150.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].end |
27152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5747].text |
對於北檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].start |
27152.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].end |
27154.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5748].text |
針對柯文哲主席的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].start |
27154.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].end |
27156.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5749].text |
那種訊息的外洩 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].start |
27156.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].end |
27158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5750].text |
如果有人違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].start |
27158.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].end |
27160.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[5751].text |
要彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].start |
27160.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].end |
27162.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5752].text |
有事情不對要糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].start |
27162.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].end |
27164.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[5753].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].start |
27164.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].end |
27166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5754].text |
因為我回到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].start |
27166.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].end |
27168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5755].text |
這會有個案的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].start |
27168.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].end |
27170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5756].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].start |
27170.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].end |
27172.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5757].text |
假設我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].start |
27172.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].end |
27174.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5758].text |
有違法失職的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].start |
27174.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].end |
27176.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5759].text |
這個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].start |
27176.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].end |
27178.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5760].text |
我們調查就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].start |
27178.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].end |
27180.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5761].text |
你要有相當的事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].start |
27180.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].end |
27182.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5762].text |
包括偵查不公開這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].start |
27182.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].end |
27184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5763].text |
他的外洩是怎麼樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].start |
27184.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].end |
27186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5764].text |
一個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].start |
27186.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].end |
27188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5765].text |
那個流向是如何的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].start |
27188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].end |
27190.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5766].text |
從哪裡流 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].start |
27190.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].end |
27192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5767].text |
從哪裡出為什麼外界會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].start |
27192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].end |
27194.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5768].text |
現在媒體會先知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].start |
27194.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].end |
27196.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5769].text |
如此等等的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].start |
27196.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].end |
27198.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5770].text |
這是一個偵查不公開的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].start |
27198.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].end |
27200.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5771].text |
我想要被這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].start |
27200.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].end |
27202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5772].text |
這是非常重要的一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].start |
27202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].end |
27204.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5773].text |
非常重要的一個原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].start |
27204.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].end |
27206.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[5774].text |
包括你們報告裡面第四頁有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].start |
27207.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].end |
27209.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5775].text |
你有參與一個防治酷刑的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].start |
27209.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].end |
27211.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5776].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].start |
27211.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].end |
27213.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[5777].text |
四行計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].start |
27213.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].end |
27215.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[5778].text |
聯合國人權組織它曾經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].start |
27217.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].end |
27219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5779].text |
認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].start |
27219.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].end |
27221.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[5780].text |
邊刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].start |
27220.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].end |
27222.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[5781].text |
是一種酷刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].start |
27222.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].end |
27224.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5782].text |
你認為邊刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].start |
27224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].end |
27226.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5783].text |
聯合國人權組織這樣一個認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].start |
27226.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].end |
27228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5784].text |
您認為如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].start |
27228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].end |
27230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5785].text |
我其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].start |
27230.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].end |
27232.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5786].text |
我自己針對我當時為什麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].start |
27232.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].end |
27234.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5787].text |
雖然是第一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].start |
27234.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].end |
27236.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5788].text |
我對酷刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].start |
27236.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].end |
27238.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5789].text |
我是非常不能接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].start |
27238.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].end |
27240.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5790].text |
所以我當時就參加了四行計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].start |
27240.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].end |
27242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5791].text |
我進行訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].start |
27242.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].end |
27244.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5792].text |
我那個場次都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].start |
27244.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].end |
27246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5793].text |
要去了解到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].start |
27246.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].end |
27248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5794].text |
它是不是有酷刑的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].start |
27248.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].end |
27250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5795].text |
等等的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].start |
27250.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].end |
27252.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5796].text |
在四行的刑法之下你都認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].start |
27252.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].end |
27254.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[5797].text |
酷刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].start |
27253.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].end |
27255.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5798].text |
聯合國所認定的邊刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].start |
27255.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].end |
27257.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[5799].text |
是否是您所講的酷刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].start |
27259.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].end |
27261.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5800].text |
聯合國認為的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].start |
27261.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].end |
27263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5801].text |
邊刑是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].start |
27263.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].end |
27265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5802].text |
我不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].start |
27265.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].end |
27267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5803].text |
這個邊刑是放在哪一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].start |
27267.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].end |
27269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5804].text |
位階的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].start |
27269.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].end |
27271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5805].text |
司法邊刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].start |
27271.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].end |
27273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5806].text |
Judicial Kenning |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].start |
27273.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].end |
27275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5807].text |
我覺得這個議題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].start |
27275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].end |
27277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5808].text |
我們現在很多法治面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].start |
27277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].end |
27279.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5809].text |
的問題我之前其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].start |
27279.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].end |
27281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5810].text |
是有召集 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].start |
27281.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].end |
27283.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5811].text |
組織修法它很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].start |
27283.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].end |
27285.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5812].text |
的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].start |
27285.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].end |
27287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5813].text |
外界會有所質疑但它要抓到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].start |
27287.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].end |
27289.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[5814].text |
它的核心價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].start |
27289.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].end |
27291.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5815].text |
就是說你今天是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].start |
27291.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].end |
27293.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5816].text |
外界會從人民的角度你犯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].start |
27293.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].end |
27295.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5817].text |
這麼重大的一個罪我是不是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].start |
27295.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].end |
27297.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5818].text |
施行嚴刑但是你換了一個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].start |
27297.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].end |
27299.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5819].text |
還有是不是有人權的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].start |
27299.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].end |
27301.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5820].text |
所以它必須是會在這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].start |
27301.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].end |
27303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5821].text |
價值裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].start |
27303.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].end |
27305.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5822].text |
它做出一個權衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].start |
27305.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].end |
27307.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5823].text |
其實這個部分都賴這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].start |
27307.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].end |
27309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5824].text |
你們這個有 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].start |
27309.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].end |
27311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5825].text |
深厚法律背景的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].start |
27311.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].end |
27313.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[5826].text |
做這個法律的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].start |
27313.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].end |
27315.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5827].text |
張律師您覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].start |
27315.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].end |
27317.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5828].text |
邊刑是酷刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].start |
27318.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].end |
27320.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5829].text |
但 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].start |
27331.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].end |
27333.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[5830].text |
謝謝徐委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].start |
27335.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].end |
27337.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5831].text |
謝謝徐委員下一位請 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].start |
27337.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].end |
27339.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5832].text |
林楚英委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].start |
27346.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].end |
27348.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[5833].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].start |
27361.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].end |
27363.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5834].text |
謝謝主席主席有請張貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].start |
27363.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].end |
27365.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5835].text |
請張貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].start |
27365.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].end |
27367.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[5836].text |
貝選 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].start |
27374.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].end |
27376.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5837].text |
這位您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].start |
27376.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].end |
27378.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5838].text |
在研讀過您的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].start |
27378.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].end |
27380.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5839].text |
資金曆之後我知道其實您非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].start |
27380.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].end |
27382.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5840].text |
關注有關於兒少 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].start |
27382.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].end |
27384.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5841].text |
權益的部分尤其是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].start |
27384.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].end |
27386.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5842].text |
兒虐的部分那麼所以我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].start |
27386.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].end |
27388.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5843].text |
要就這部分來就教您 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].start |
27388.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].end |
27390.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5844].text |
因為本席其實也非常關注 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].start |
27390.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].end |
27392.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5845].text |
就是兒童尤其是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].start |
27392.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].end |
27394.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5846].text |
兒少不論是性侵幼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].start |
27394.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].end |
27396.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5847].text |
或者是不當對待的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].start |
27396.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].end |
27398.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5848].text |
我知道您在2022年曾經 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].start |
27398.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].end |
27400.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5849].text |
針對幼兒園不當對待 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].start |
27400.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].end |
27402.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5850].text |
做過所謂通案的調查 |
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27402.39 |
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27404.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5851].text |
那麼在這個調查過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].start |
27404.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].end |
27406.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5852].text |
您總結了幾個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].start |
27406.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].end |
27408.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5853].text |
包括就是法規跟調查 |
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27408.39 |
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27410.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5854].text |
的機制缺口 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].start |
27410.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].end |
27412.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5855].text |
從這個地方政府再到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].start |
27412.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].end |
27414.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5856].text |
相關的這個法規的不一致性 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].start |
27414.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].end |
27416.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5857].text |
常常會有出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].start |
27416.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].end |
27418.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5858].text |
在處理的機制過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].start |
27418.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].end |
27420.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5859].text |
所謂的整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].start |
27420.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].end |
27422.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5860].text |
調查的程序不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].start |
27422.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].end |
27424.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5861].text |
另外當然就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].start |
27424.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].end |
27426.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5862].text |
稽查的量能的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].start |
27426.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].end |
27428.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5863].text |
尤其在你的報告當中我特別發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].start |
27428.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].end |
27430.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5864].text |
您非常仔細的針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].start |
27430.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].end |
27432.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5865].text |
針對全國6885家的幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].start |
27432.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].end |
27434.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5866].text |
但是事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].start |
27434.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].end |
27436.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5867].text |
只有125位的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].start |
27436.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].end |
27438.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5868].text |
稽查人力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].start |
27438.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].end |
27440.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5869].text |
而超過五成是沒有專業背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].start |
27440.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].end |
27442.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5870].text |
而令我們感到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].start |
27442.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].end |
27444.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5871].text |
其實非常震驚的一個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].start |
27444.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].end |
27446.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5872].text |
就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].start |
27446.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].end |
27448.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5873].text |
在地方政府的稽查表當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].start |
27448.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].end |
27450.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5874].text |
對於兒童 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].start |
27450.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].end |
27452.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5875].text |
遭到不當對待的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].start |
27452.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].end |
27454.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5876].text |
其實很多地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].start |
27454.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].end |
27456.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5877].text |
並沒有納入這相關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].start |
27456.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].end |
27458.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5878].text |
那麼對於這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].start |
27458.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].end |
27460.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5879].text |
其實該改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].start |
27460.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].end |
27462.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5880].text |
或者是補強的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].start |
27462.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].end |
27464.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5881].text |
針對您在擔任監委到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].start |
27464.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].end |
27466.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5882].text |
我們知道當然監察院在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].start |
27466.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].end |
27468.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5883].text |
7月31號目前 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].start |
27468.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].end |
27470.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5884].text |
是已經算是整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].start |
27470.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].end |
27472.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5885].text |
沒有辦法再進行運作了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].start |
27472.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].end |
27474.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5886].text |
可是在您過去一屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].start |
27474.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].end |
27476.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5887].text |
擔任監委的部分的時候您認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].start |
27476.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].end |
27478.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5888].text |
您所在調查報告當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].start |
27478.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].end |
27480.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5889].text |
所提出來的這些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].start |
27480.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].end |
27482.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5890].text |
地方政府有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].start |
27482.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].end |
27484.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5891].text |
改善嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].start |
27484.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].end |
27486.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[5892].text |
另外就是我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].start |
27485.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].end |
27487.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5893].text |
最近受到民眾非常關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].start |
27487.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].end |
27489.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[5894].text |
像是凱凱案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].start |
27490.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].end |
27492.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5895].text |
又或者是這一陣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].start |
27492.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].end |
27494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5896].text |
發生在台中市 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].start |
27494.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].end |
27496.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5897].text |
的這種所謂教練 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].start |
27496.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].end |
27498.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5898].text |
不當對待我們這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].start |
27498.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].end |
27500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5899].text |
學生的這種性侵案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].start |
27500.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].end |
27502.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5900].text |
又或者是台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].start |
27502.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].end |
27504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5901].text |
現在被認為是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].start |
27504.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].end |
27506.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5902].text |
告白的這個夏立思案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].start |
27506.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].end |
27508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5903].text |
這些案件的發生其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].start |
27508.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].end |
27510.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5904].text |
都是在2022 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].start |
27510.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].end |
27512.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5905].text |
年年的報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].start |
27512.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].end |
27514.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5906].text |
所以其實我相信對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].start |
27514.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].end |
27516.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5907].text |
關注兒少議題的人來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].start |
27516.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].end |
27518.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5908].text |
都會覺得說那麼監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].start |
27518.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].end |
27520.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5909].text |
監察院做了這些報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].start |
27520.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].end |
27522.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5910].text |
地方政府如果依舊不作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].start |
27522.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].end |
27524.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5911].text |
的時候那麼監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].start |
27524.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].end |
27526.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5912].text |
到底能不能發揮他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].start |
27526.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].end |
27528.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[5913].text |
功用跟他的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].start |
27528.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].end |
27530.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5914].text |
好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].start |
27530.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].end |
27532.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5915].text |
首先我想非常高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].start |
27532.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].end |
27534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5916].text |
在關於兒虐的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].start |
27534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].end |
27536.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5917].text |
可以從不同的立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].start |
27536.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].end |
27538.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5918].text |
以及監察的角度大家能夠一起努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].start |
27538.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].end |
27540.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5919].text |
這是我感到非常高興的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].start |
27540.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].end |
27542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5920].text |
那現在就是關於這個兒虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].start |
27542.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].end |
27544.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5921].text |
的相關機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].start |
27544.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].end |
27546.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5922].text |
其實不管是凱凱案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].start |
27546.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].end |
27548.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5923].text |
這個我個人參與的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].start |
27548.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].end |
27550.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5924].text |
或者您剛剛提到的不當管教 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].start |
27550.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].end |
27552.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5925].text |
他是一個系列性的一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].start |
27552.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].end |
27554.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5926].text |
那我個人都有參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].start |
27554.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].end |
27556.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5927].text |
以及包括其他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].start |
27556.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].end |
27558.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5928].text |
我個人在處理案件後 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].start |
27558.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].end |
27560.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5929].text |
我個人也會看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].start |
27560.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].end |
27562.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5930].text |
其實個案有他個案的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].start |
27562.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].end |
27564.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5931].text |
而產生機制的維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].start |
27564.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].end |
27566.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5932].text |
但是當很多案子在 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].start |
27566.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].end |
27568.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5933].text |
一起的時候他就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].start |
27568.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].end |
27570.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5934].text |
看到是比較全貌的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].start |
27570.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].end |
27572.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5935].text |
所以首先我大致上 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].start |
27572.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].end |
27574.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5936].text |
我看到的一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].start |
27574.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].end |
27576.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5937].text |
第一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].start |
27576.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].end |
27578.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5938].text |
因為我們講法源是基本的 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].start |
27578.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].end |
27580.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5939].text |
CRC或者是兒少權法 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].start |
27580.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].end |
27582.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5940].text |
我們講兒童最佳利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].start |
27582.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].end |
27584.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5941].text |
但什麼是兒童最佳利益 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].start |
27584.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].end |
27586.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5942].text |
包括我們看到都沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].start |
27586.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].end |
27588.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5943].text |
像社安網的一組則多協力 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].start |
27588.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].end |
27590.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5944].text |
其實凱凱案 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].start |
27590.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].end |
27592.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5945].text |
貪嗜在三個服務體系之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].start |
27592.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].end |
27594.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5946].text |
都還受虐致死 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].start |
27594.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].end |
27596.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5947].text |
他是令人痛心至極的感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].start |
27596.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].end |
27598.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5948].text |
是他等於是一層一層的防護網 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].start |
27598.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].end |
27600.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5949].text |
其實全部都失靈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].start |
27600.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].end |
27602.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5950].text |
從地方政府再到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].start |
27602.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].end |
27604.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5951].text |
稽查員再到造福的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].start |
27604.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].end |
27606.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5952].text |
是是所以你空有這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].start |
27606.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].end |
27608.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5953].text |
機制可是你失靈了 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].start |
27608.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].end |
27610.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5954].text |
這就是一個很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].start |
27610.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].end |
27612.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5955].text |
再者還有訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].start |
27611.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].end |
27613.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5956].text |
能不能確實落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].start |
27613.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].end |
27615.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5957].text |
還是只是形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].start |
27615.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].end |
27617.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[5958].text |
再者還有像有些父母他有要因 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].start |
27618.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].end |
27620.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5959].text |
他有要因你要有一個風險的預報 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].start |
27620.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].end |
27622.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5960].text |
叫預警制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].start |
27622.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5961].end |
27624.9 |
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可是這個部分 |
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偽證跟設證我們看到會有斷點 |
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再來一個就是稽查 |
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其實稽查涉及到常常說 |
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我們說稽查不利 |
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其實稽查涉及很多層面的問題 |
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一個是人力這個是我們在調查案件裡面 |
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很多地方政府都一再被 |
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提出可是一再沒有被改進 |
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27640.9 |
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就是人太少了 |
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而且他人太少你就會 |
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27644.9 |
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27646.9 |
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沒有專業的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5973].start |
27646.9 |
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不是你去查就好你不同的案型 |
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他要有專業的 |
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再者就是說他還是要專任 |
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因為很多他是 |
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27656.9 |
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流動的你流動的就沒有專業 |
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27656.9 |
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所以就是說我 |
| transcript.whisperx[5979].start |
27658.9 |
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27660.9 |
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我現在就來查一次我下次就不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5980].start |
27660.9 |
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27662.9 |
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我了所以都會產生這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5981].start |
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所以這都是我們在 |
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27664.9 |
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27666.9 |
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兒女案件裡面有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[5983].start |
27666.9 |
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27668.9 |
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的很多缺失問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[5984].start |
27668.9 |
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27670.9 |
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那這些缺失問題我們其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[5985].start |
27670.9 |
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27672.9 |
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有藉由後續的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[5986].start |
27672.9 |
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27674.9 |
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我們希望能夠達到 |
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27674.9 |
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27676.9 |
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因為行政機關他們要改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[5988].start |
27676.9 |
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27678.9 |
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其實我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].start |
27678.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].end |
27680.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5989].text |
監察院的存在就是要要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[5990].start |
27680.9 |
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27682.9 |
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行政機關不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].start |
27682.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5991].end |
27684.9 |
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覺得說我行政就最大 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].start |
27684.9 |
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27686.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5992].text |
當你在行政帶動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].start |
27686.9 |
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27688.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5993].text |
後面還有監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[5994].start |
27688.9 |
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27690.9 |
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會針對你們在行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].start |
27690.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].end |
27692.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5995].text |
上的為師來做監察 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].start |
27692.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].end |
27694.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5996].text |
但是本席大家為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].start |
27694.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5997].end |
27696.9 |
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特別提到了台北市發生夏立思 |
| transcript.whisperx[5998].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[5998].end |
27698.9 |
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這樣的事情喔根據 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].start |
27698.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[5999].end |
27700.9 |
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2023年案發到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].start |
27700.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].end |
27702.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6000].text |
台北市政府的1999 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].start |
27702.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].end |
27704.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6001].text |
已經收到了13件的陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].start |
27704.9 |
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27706.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6002].text |
但是台北市政府都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].start |
27706.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].end |
27708.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6003].text |
積極的作為直到他同樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].start |
27708.9 |
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27710.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6004].text |
的一個系統發生了問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6005].start |
27710.9 |
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27712.9 |
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而且家長站出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].start |
27712.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].end |
27714.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6006].text |
才讓這個事件被媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].start |
27714.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].end |
27716.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6007].text |
重視甚至於台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].start |
27716.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].end |
27718.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6008].text |
現在未來檢視但我要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].start |
27718.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].end |
27720.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6009].text |
強調的就是我擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].start |
27720.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].end |
27722.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6010].text |
現在如果藍白 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].start |
27722.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].end |
27724.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6011].text |
聯手讓監委持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].start |
27724.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].end |
27726.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6012].text |
的無法運作的時候那是不是 |
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27726.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6013].end |
27728.9 |
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等於縱容了台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].start |
27728.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].end |
27730.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6014].text |
在這個案件上就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].start |
27730.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].end |
27732.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6015].text |
完全的蓋牌他 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].start |
27732.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].end |
27734.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6016].text |
讓他不受到監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].start |
27734.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].end |
27736.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6017].text |
因為我曾經跟其中一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].start |
27736.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].end |
27738.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6018].text |
夏立思的家長同台 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].start |
27738.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].end |
27740.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6019].text |
你要知道家長他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].start |
27740.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].end |
27742.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6020].text |
追星之痛是他們認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].start |
27742.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].end |
27744.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6021].text |
他們花了大錢送孩子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].start |
27744.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].end |
27746.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6022].text |
一年花了80萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].start |
27746.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].end |
27748.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6023].text |
但是卻送到台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].start |
27748.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].end |
27750.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6024].text |
不作為的這樣的一個幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].start |
27750.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].end |
27752.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6025].text |
去受凝虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].start |
27752.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].end |
27754.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6026].text |
我現在擔憂的是如果沒有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].start |
27754.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].end |
27756.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6027].text |
監察院沒有了監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].start |
27756.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].end |
27758.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6028].text |
那麼是不是台北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].start |
27758.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].end |
27760.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6029].text |
就讓這樣的一個違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].start |
27760.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].end |
27762.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6030].text |
虐待兒童的這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].start |
27762.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].end |
27764.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6031].text |
院長或者是組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].start |
27764.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].end |
27766.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6032].text |
就繼續存續下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].start |
27768.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].end |
27770.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6033].text |
其實我想委員提到一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].start |
27770.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].end |
27772.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6034].text |
非常重要的一個點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].start |
27772.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].end |
27774.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6035].text |
如果今天沒有監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].start |
27774.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].end |
27776.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6036].text |
外界一再在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].start |
27776.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].end |
27778.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6037].text |
監察院存廢的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].start |
27778.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].end |
27780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6038].text |
有一個部分一定是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].start |
27780.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].end |
27782.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6039].text |
他的核心問題就是監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].start |
27782.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].end |
27784.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6040].text |
的存在你監察權如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].start |
27784.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].end |
27786.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6041].text |
不存在的話公務機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].start |
27786.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].end |
27788.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6042].text |
公務人員的違法失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].start |
27788.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].end |
27790.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6043].text |
監督制衡完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].start |
27790.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].end |
27792.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6044].text |
是沒有的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].start |
27791.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].end |
27793.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6045].text |
大家就可以試想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].start |
27794.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].end |
27796.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6046].text |
委員剛才都有提出到他的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].start |
27796.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].end |
27798.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6047].text |
所以我們常常說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].start |
27798.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].end |
27800.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6048].text |
監察權他是一個不可或缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].start |
27800.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].end |
27802.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6049].text |
他必須存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].start |
27802.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].end |
27804.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6050].text |
但是遺憾的是我今天站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].start |
27804.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].end |
27806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6051].text |
監察權就已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].start |
27806.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].end |
27808.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6052].text |
空窗了是他已經是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].start |
27808.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].end |
27810.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6053].text |
空窗我在7月31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].start |
27810.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].end |
27812.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6054].text |
我就卸任了我今天是以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].start |
27812.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].end |
27814.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6055].text |
被提名人的身份站在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].start |
27814.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].end |
27816.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6056].text |
但是我遺憾至極 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].start |
27816.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].end |
27818.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6057].text |
因為現在他就屬於空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].start |
27818.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].end |
27820.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6058].text |
監察權就是屬於一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].start |
27820.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].end |
27822.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6059].text |
沒有辦法行使的幾個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].start |
27822.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].end |
27824.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6060].text |
他影響到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].start |
27824.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].end |
27826.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6061].text |
最後被影響到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].start |
27826.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].end |
27828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6062].text |
人民懲刑的案件完全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].start |
27828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].end |
27830.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6063].text |
是沒有辦法救濟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].start |
27830.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].end |
27832.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6064].text |
我想大家一定要思考這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].start |
27833.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].end |
27835.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6065].text |
人民的權益何在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].start |
27835.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].end |
27837.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6066].text |
你監察權讓他不存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].start |
27837.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].end |
27839.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6067].text |
人民的權益何在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].start |
27839.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].end |
27841.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6068].text |
這是我感到非常要被討論的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].start |
27841.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].end |
27843.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6069].text |
大家不能只討論監察院的存廢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].start |
27843.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].end |
27845.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6070].text |
那至於我個人 |
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27845.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].end |
27847.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6071].text |
我只要是續任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].start |
27847.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].end |
27849.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6072].text |
當然空窗我沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].start |
27849.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].end |
27851.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6073].text |
我續任的話一定堅守 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].start |
27851.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].end |
27853.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6074].text |
我自己的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].start |
27853.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].end |
27855.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6075].text |
職權行使 獨立行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].start |
27855.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].end |
27857.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6076].text |
這是我向來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].start |
27857.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].end |
27859.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6077].text |
我從當律師 我當監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].start |
27859.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].end |
27861.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6078].text |
到以後 這是我的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].start |
27862.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].end |
27864.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6079].text |
沒有人會影響到我的態度的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].start |
27864.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].end |
27866.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6080].text |
這是我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].start |
27866.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].end |
27868.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6081].text |
張貝廷宜人的這樣的一個想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].start |
27868.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].end |
27870.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6082].text |
跟講法 因為我們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].start |
27871.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].end |
27873.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6083].text |
行政 立法 司法 法治 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].start |
27873.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].end |
27875.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6084].text |
監察 我們知道的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].start |
27875.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].end |
27877.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6085].text |
司法系統有他針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].start |
27877.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].end |
27879.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6086].text |
這一個夏立思這樣的一個幼兒園 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].start |
27879.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].end |
27881.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6087].text |
他的整個法律的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].start |
27881.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].end |
27883.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6088].text |
包括他兒虐不當對待的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].start |
27883.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].end |
27885.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6089].text |
他的刑責 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].start |
27885.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].end |
27887.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6090].text |
可是這已經牽涉到的是地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].start |
27887.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].end |
27889.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6091].text |
尤其是地方的教育局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].start |
27889.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].end |
27891.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6092].text |
在案發之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].start |
27891.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].end |
27893.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6093].text |
接受到了1999 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].start |
27893.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].end |
27895.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6094].text |
超過13通 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].start |
27895.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].end |
27897.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6095].text |
的申訴的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].start |
27897.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].end |
27899.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6096].text |
他的不積極 他的不作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].start |
27899.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].end |
27901.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6097].text |
他恐怕不是司法機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].start |
27901.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].end |
27903.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6098].text |
可以第一線來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].start |
27903.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].end |
27905.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6099].text |
就需要監察權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].start |
27905.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].end |
27907.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6100].text |
另外最後一點點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].start |
27907.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].end |
27909.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6101].text |
我要跟你們討論的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].start |
27909.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].end |
27911.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6102].text |
我們都知道我們要保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].start |
27911.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].end |
27913.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6103].text |
兒少的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].start |
27913.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].end |
27915.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6104].text |
但是保護兒少權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].start |
27915.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].end |
27917.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6105].text |
並不能成為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].start |
27917.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].end |
27919.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6106].text |
加害者的保護傘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].start |
27919.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].end |
27921.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6107].text |
因為在許多的兒少案件當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].start |
27921.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].end |
27923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6108].text |
本來是來自於媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].start |
27923.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].end |
27925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6109].text |
媒體受限於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].start |
27925.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].end |
27927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6110].text |
兒少的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].start |
27927.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].end |
27929.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6111].text |
很多時候的加害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].start |
27929.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].end |
27931.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6112].text |
因為你不能去對他做進一步的報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].start |
27931.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].end |
27933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6113].text |
導致於這個加害人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].start |
27933.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].end |
27935.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6114].text |
就逃掉了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].start |
27935.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].end |
27937.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6115].text |
甚至於家長在不知情的情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].start |
27937.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].end |
27939.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6116].text |
把孩子送進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].start |
27939.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].end |
27941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6117].text |
我今天不是來跟你討論修法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].start |
27941.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].end |
27943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6118].text |
而是要跟你討論的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].start |
27943.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].end |
27945.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6119].text |
在地方政府如果沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].start |
27945.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].end |
27947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6120].text |
第一時間給媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].start |
27947.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].end |
27949.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6121].text |
在參觀單位報導權的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].start |
27949.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].end |
27951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6122].text |
這個是等於是揚入虎口 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].start |
27951.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].end |
27953.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6123].text |
而且讓這些違法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].start |
27953.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].end |
27955.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6124].text |
的幼兒組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].start |
27955.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].end |
27957.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6125].text |
或是教育團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].start |
27957.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].end |
27959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6126].text |
有機會能夠持續的行惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].start |
27959.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].end |
27961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6127].text |
那就監委的角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].start |
27961.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].end |
27963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6128].text |
你怎麼來看這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].start |
27963.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].end |
27965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6129].text |
就是跟不揭露之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].start |
27965.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].end |
27967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6130].text |
他這條尺是如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].start |
27967.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].end |
27969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6131].text |
是其實這個是兒少權法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].start |
27969.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].end |
27971.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6132].text |
的六九條相關的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].start |
27971.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].end |
27973.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6133].text |
它其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].start |
27973.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].end |
27975.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6134].text |
我們監察院在處理像 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].start |
27975.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].end |
27977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6135].text |
兒少或性平事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].start |
27977.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].end |
27979.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6136].text |
我們在報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].start |
27997.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].end |
27999.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6137].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].start |
28009.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].end |
28011.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6138].text |
好 我們謝謝被提名的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].start |
28011.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].end |
28013.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[6139].text |
時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].start |
28013.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].end |
28015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6140].text |
請下一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].start |
28015.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].end |
28017.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6141].text |
紐約許廷委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].start |
28028.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].end |
28030.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6142].text |
謝謝主席張被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].start |
28032.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].end |
28034.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6143].text |
被提名人 被取消 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].start |
28044.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].end |
28046.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6144].text |
好 午安 辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].start |
28046.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].end |
28048.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6145].text |
今天是監察委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].start |
28048.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].end |
28050.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6146].text |
同意選擇相關的一個質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].start |
28050.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].end |
28052.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6147].text |
稍早早上的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].start |
28052.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].end |
28054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6148].text |
我曾經質詢過院長被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].start |
28054.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].end |
28056.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6149].text |
時間的關係我們沒有辦法多探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].start |
28056.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].end |
28058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6150].text |
監察院在政治實務上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].start |
28058.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].end |
28060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6151].text |
一些角色的扮演 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].start |
28060.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].end |
28062.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6152].text |
我們多花時間討論憲政的奮進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].start |
28062.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].end |
28064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6153].text |
監察院的社會形象 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].start |
28064.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].end |
28066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6154].text |
跟大家對監察院的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].start |
28066.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].end |
28068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6155].text |
我們就花一點時間聽一聽你的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].start |
28068.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].end |
28070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6156].text |
這個我開宗明義 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].start |
28070.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].end |
28072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6157].text |
我就請你主動回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].start |
28072.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].end |
28074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6158].text |
請問我們被提名人能不能舉幾個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].start |
28074.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].end |
28076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6159].text |
就是說幾個重大的社會矚目案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].start |
28076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].end |
28078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6160].text |
比如說像之前講兒虐 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].start |
28078.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].end |
28080.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6161].text |
或是最近的食安用油 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].start |
28080.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].end |
28082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6162].text |
有這樣重大的一個弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].start |
28082.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].end |
28084.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6163].text |
那是經過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].start |
28084.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].end |
28086.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6164].text |
監察院發動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].start |
28088.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].end |
28090.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6165].text |
然後因為監察院的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].start |
28090.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].end |
28092.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6166].text |
發動快速的調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].start |
28092.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].end |
28094.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[6167].text |
強勢的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].start |
28094.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].end |
28096.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6168].text |
然後才為社會大眾所周知的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].start |
28096.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].end |
28098.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6169].text |
有沒有幾個這樣子的案你可以跟大家分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].start |
28098.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].end |
28100.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6170].text |
我但我有個人認知的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].start |
28100.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].end |
28102.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6171].text |
就是說所謂大家矚目的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].start |
28102.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].end |
28104.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6172].text |
像剛才講到的幾個兒虐案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].start |
28104.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].end |
28106.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6173].text |
我想大家都一個是凱凱案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].start |
28106.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].end |
28108.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6174].text |
以及像南投校長詮釋性侵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].start |
28108.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].end |
28110.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6175].text |
好像大家都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].start |
28110.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].end |
28112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6176].text |
這個是一個受到大家關切跟矚目的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].start |
28112.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].end |
28114.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6177].text |
以及食品安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].start |
28114.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].end |
28116.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6178].text |
食安的一些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].start |
28116.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].end |
28118.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6179].text |
這些我看你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].start |
28118.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].end |
28120.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6180].text |
你寫你辦了很多案子 |
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這個我分析 |
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所以你寫你辦了很多案子 |
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所以您提到的是 |
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像公安的部分像台鐵這個 |
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發生重大災害 |
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造成死亡我們彈劾了相關的 |
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首長跟救生 |
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我知道這些案件比如說你剛剛也很多 |
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比如說巴德的天花板掉下來啊 |
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這個都是沒有錯的 |
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但這個事情都是由悲劇發生 |
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而且立刻性的畫面就讓全國周知 |
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然後大家就會同步進行調查 |
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立法院這邊當然就會針對相關的一些 |
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私政的缺失我們就安排專案包安排質詢 |
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然後會啟動調查的程序 |
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這個沒有關係我要問的是 |
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是由你監察因為監察院有監察跟調查之權 |
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28158.07 |
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有些時候這個可以調院內部的這個文件 |
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28160.07 |
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等等審核相關的一些決算 |
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這個能夠掌握真正 |
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私政的維持的強度其實是比立法院高很多的 |
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也就是為什麼這社會大眾 |
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其實對監察院的期待 |
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是叫你打弊案 |
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因為你能看到的東西可能比立法院看到的還多 |
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所以說我剛剛問的是 |
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從監察院發動 |
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因為你的調查報告出來 |
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所以你會開始關注這個案子 |
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28182.07 |
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然後你還伴隨著這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6212].start |
28182.07 |
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28184.07 |
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因為你調查報告已經出來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[6213].start |
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28186.07 |
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成果已經出來啦你還強力的執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6214].start |
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強勢的處理然後讓社會大眾覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6215].start |
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因為有監察院的存在 |
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因為監察院的主動調查主動的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6217].start |
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28194.07 |
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接到的弊案搞定了弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6218].start |
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28198.07 |
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懲戒了壞蛋讓這個社會的公道得以彰顯 |
| transcript.whisperx[6219].start |
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我要聽的是這樣的案例有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[6220].start |
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我從我的理解 |
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其實是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].start |
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28206.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6222].text |
監察調查我想也趁這個機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6223].start |
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28208.07 |
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跟大家去說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].start |
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28210.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6224].text |
監察調查他是一個事後的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].start |
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28212.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6225].text |
很多外界的質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6226].start |
28212.07 |
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28214.07 |
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我想是一個虛心要檢討的一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6227].start |
28214.07 |
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28216.07 |
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有信任的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].start |
28216.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].end |
28218.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6228].text |
有監督的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6229].start |
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28220.07 |
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但是監察職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].start |
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28222.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6230].text |
他是一個我必須要說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[6231].start |
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28224.07 |
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因為各位可以試想 |
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28226.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6232].text |
一個案件的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6233].start |
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28228.07 |
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大家是最被關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[6234].end |
28230.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6234].text |
這個時間點 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].start |
28230.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].end |
28232.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6235].text |
大家看到了一個重大災害的一個發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6236].start |
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28234.07 |
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可是監察院像我個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].start |
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28236.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6237].text |
我認為這個案子需要立案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].start |
28236.48 |
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28238.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6238].text |
我就進入立案的一個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].start |
28238.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].end |
28240.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6239].text |
立案的過程之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].start |
28240.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].end |
28242.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6240].text |
我們有各項的調查作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].start |
28242.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].end |
28244.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6241].text |
我已經近期可能的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].start |
28244.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].end |
28246.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6242].text |
我從延溪我到調卷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].start |
28246.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].end |
28248.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6243].text |
很仔細的辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].start |
28248.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].end |
28250.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6244].text |
這個我都肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].start |
28250.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].end |
28252.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6245].text |
也就是說我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].start |
28252.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].end |
28254.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6246].text |
有需要一個時間的辦案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].start |
28254.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].end |
28256.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6247].text |
我即便如何快 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].start |
28256.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].end |
28258.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6248].text |
我不可能是在第一個時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].start |
28258.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].end |
28260.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6249].text |
我之所以會問這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].start |
28260.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].end |
28262.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6250].text |
不好意思我打斷你一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].start |
28262.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].end |
28264.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6251].text |
我知道你講你有你的一個詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].start |
28264.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].end |
28266.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6252].text |
當然我們調查都很認真 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].start |
28266.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].end |
28268.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6253].text |
這個我不會否定你的努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].start |
28268.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].end |
28270.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6254].text |
問題就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].start |
28270.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].end |
28272.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6255].text |
因為這個大家的報告都會寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].start |
28272.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].end |
28274.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6256].text |
每一年監察院的人民懲刑的數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].start |
28274.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].end |
28276.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6257].text |
數十萬件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].start |
28276.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].end |
28278.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6258].text |
其實很多的弊案也就在吹哨者 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].start |
28278.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].end |
28280.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6259].text |
都會對監察院有所期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].start |
28280.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].end |
28282.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6260].text |
都藏在裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].start |
28282.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].end |
28284.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6261].text |
所以你剛講純然只有做事後調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].start |
28284.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].end |
28286.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6262].text |
這本行不見得同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].start |
28286.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].end |
28288.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6263].text |
很多時候來找立法委員的懲刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].start |
28288.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].end |
28290.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6264].text |
說政府有重大維持 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].start |
28290.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].end |
28292.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6265].text |
他其實同步都告訴了監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].start |
28292.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].end |
28294.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6266].text |
所以我才覺得以監察院相關的量能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].start |
28294.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].end |
28296.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6267].text |
跟調查的手段 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].start |
28296.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].end |
28298.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6268].text |
你其實完全可以事前的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].start |
28298.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].end |
28300.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6269].text |
事情發生之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].start |
28300.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].end |
28302.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6270].text |
當然你都做事後調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].start |
28302.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].end |
28304.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6271].text |
這個我不會否定你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].start |
28304.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].end |
28306.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6272].text |
但是我也舉個例子 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].start |
28306.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].end |
28308.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6273].text |
比如說經貿談判辦公室的霸凌案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].start |
28308.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].end |
28310.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6274].text |
顏蕙欣副代表是2026年3月就辭職了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].start |
28310.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].end |
28312.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6275].text |
過世了之後案子才爆開 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].start |
28312.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].end |
28314.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6276].text |
立法院追這個案子追了好幾個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].start |
28314.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].end |
28316.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6277].text |
然後7月2號行政院直接做處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].start |
28316.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].end |
28318.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6278].text |
把楊貞妮政委給免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].start |
28318.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].end |
28320.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6279].text |
然後你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].start |
28320.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].end |
28322.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6280].text |
是到7月29號才出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].start |
28322.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].end |
28324.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6281].text |
我現在擔心的是這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].start |
28324.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].end |
28326.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6282].text |
也藉這個機會跟被提名來做一個分享 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].start |
28326.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].end |
28328.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6283].text |
人民對於監察院之所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].start |
28328.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].end |
28330.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6284].text |
已經有點心灰意冷了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].start |
28330.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].end |
28332.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6285].text |
反正是盲腸嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].start |
28332.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].end |
28334.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6286].text |
其實很大的原因是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6287].start |
28334.82 |
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28336.82 |
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你每年辦很多案件你也都非常認真 |
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但是問題是你沒有從頭到尾 |
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善差於一前 |
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從沒有人下手的地方去掌握 |
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然後辦到一個案子讓大家都關注到 |
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而且彰顯的社會公道 |
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我想這是有誤會的地方 |
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這是誤會 |
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我現在我才請你舉一個例子 |
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我請你舉一個例子的原因是 |
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我講所謂的事後監督 |
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是說我們會尊重 |
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願意政策的執行我們會尊重 |
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如果他的執行的過程 |
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發生問題 |
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那就是我們監察權要處理的地方 |
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不是說我們慢半拍 |
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不是那個意思啊 |
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這就是監察職權的一個本質啊 |
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我必須是這樣的一個處理 |
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所以再來我講外界真的是誤會了 |
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我個人參與的案件 |
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是150多件 |
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我沒有講你辦的很少啊 |
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你再偷懶我的意思是說 |
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你辦案你總要找重大主辦 |
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你才會讓社會對監察院有期待 |
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這因為很多委員每一個機構問你 |
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28392.82 |
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監察院存廢的立場什麼大家在這邊講半天 |
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對吧可是真正民間的觀感是這樣 |
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這是你 |
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28398.82 |
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四點一次面對民意的這個直接 |
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間接的機會對不對 |
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28402.82 |
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我們是這個地方我跟這個背景的人做一下分享 |
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民意的信任我想 |
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28406.82 |
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絕對需要虛心檢討的 |
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28406.82 |
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28408.82 |
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但是我個人其實是 |
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針對其實不管是 |
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28412.82 |
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像我們剛剛提到的一些案型 |
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28414.82 |
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我辦理非常多的一個案型 |
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我是認為真的 |
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我是認真負責 |
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吳慧雲這前面一個任期 |
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這個到最後 |
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28424.82 |
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為什麼講人民對監察院沒什麼印象 |
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28426.82 |
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結果唯一有印象這我就跟你討論一下 |
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28426.82 |
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28428.82 |
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監察院的公務車濫用的問題 |
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2025年這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6335].end |
28432.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6335].text |
秘書長李俊義他已經辭職了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].start |
28432.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].end |
28434.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6336].text |
還有王龍章監委田秋吉監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].start |
28434.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].end |
28436.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6337].text |
林運榮監委蘇立雄等人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[6338].end |
28438.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6338].text |
也許有走在灰色地帶吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6339].text |
也許是所謂的違法使用 |
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28442.82 |
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監察院的公務車量情勢 |
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28442.82 |
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28444.82 |
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這細節我就不再多贅述了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6342].text |
這個監察委員使用公務車 |
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不管是接送子女跑機場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6344].text |
送寵物美容理髮看牙 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6345].text |
有沒有符合執行公務的原則 |
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28454.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6346].text |
其實委員您剛剛提到的 |
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28454.82 |
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28456.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6347].text |
公務車案就是 |
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28456.82 |
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28458.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6348].text |
監察院已經有做處理 |
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28458.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].end |
28462.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6349].text |
對監察委員自律規範 |
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28462.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].end |
28464.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6350].text |
我們有個相關的法源的依據 |
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28464.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].end |
28466.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6351].text |
去做了一個處理 |
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28468.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6352].text |
從紀律委員會審議過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].start |
28468.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].end |
28470.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6353].text |
已經送院會審議通過 |
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28470.82 |
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28472.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6354].text |
後來就是大家已經看到 |
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28474.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6355].text |
外界看到的包括對於委員的 |
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28476.82 |
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相關的一個處分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6357].end |
28478.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6357].text |
已經有處分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6358].end |
28480.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6358].text |
以及我們認為 |
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28480.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].end |
28482.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6359].text |
我們辦理一個個案 |
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28482.82 |
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28484.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6360].text |
我們也要去看到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6361].end |
28486.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6361].text |
我們不希望有下面的個案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6362].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[6362].text |
所以就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6363].end |
28490.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6363].text |
也請秘書處從法規面 |
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28492.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6364].text |
跟制度面 |
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28494.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6365].text |
要有監察修正 |
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28494.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].end |
28496.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6366].text |
委員您剛剛提到的 |
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28496.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].end |
28498.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6367].text |
監察院確實我們是直施奉獻 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].start |
28498.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].end |
28500.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6368].text |
我們要嚴以律己 |
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28500.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].end |
28502.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6369].text |
妥善的行使 |
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28502.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].end |
28504.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6370].text |
相關的一個自律規範 |
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28504.82 |
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28506.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6371].text |
但是其實是符合的 |
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28506.82 |
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28508.82 |
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我想基本上就是 |
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也沒有要去救助 |
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28512.82 |
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我之所以問你這個問題的原因 |
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28512.82 |
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就是因為你是當初紀律委員會的委員之一 |
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28516.82 |
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你在這個你們內部開會的時候 |
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28518.82 |
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你的立場是什麼 |
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28518.82 |
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28520.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6378].text |
在討論這件事情的時候你的主張是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6379].end |
28522.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6379].text |
我想這個部分是不是容我這邊 |
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28522.82 |
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28524.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6380].text |
因為那是一個紀律委員會審議的過程 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6381].end |
28526.82 |
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那個並沒有對外 |
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28528.82 |
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我個人是一個法律人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6383].end |
28530.82 |
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我針對相關的規範 |
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28530.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].end |
28532.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6384].text |
我研究的非常的仔細 |
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28532.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].end |
28534.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6385].text |
我經過整個規範 |
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28534.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].end |
28536.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6386].text |
整個嚴格去看 |
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28536.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].end |
28538.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6387].text |
然後做出我的法律意見 |
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28540.82 |
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我大概只能是這樣 |
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28540.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].end |
28542.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6389].text |
不好意思給大家說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6390].end |
28544.82 |
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但是那個審議的過程 |
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就不變了 |
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28546.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].end |
28548.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6392].text |
我一樣是要提醒被提名人這裡 |
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28548.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].end |
28550.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6393].text |
今天站在這邊難得一次 |
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所以我今天在做名義檢驗的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[6395].end |
28554.82 |
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雖然是間接的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[6396].start |
28554.82 |
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28556.82 |
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大家都在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].start |
28556.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].end |
28558.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6397].text |
我們剛講積極功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].start |
28558.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].end |
28560.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6398].text |
可能還有一點跟期待上有點落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].start |
28560.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6399].end |
28562.82 |
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出現一些事情的時候 |
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28562.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].end |
28564.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6400].text |
其實紀律委員會就是最後一道防線 |
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28564.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].end |
28566.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6401].text |
因為監察委員總不能互相彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].start |
28566.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].end |
28568.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6402].text |
所以大家也對這件事情之所以會多所抱怨 |
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28568.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].end |
28570.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6403].text |
他其實就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].start |
28570.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].end |
28572.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6404].text |
因為到了最後紀律委員會的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].start |
28572.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].end |
28574.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6405].text |
然後院會通過向院會道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].start |
28574.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].end |
28576.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6406].text |
然後觸其注意 |
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28576.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].end |
28578.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6407].text |
然後就沒有然後了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].start |
28578.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6408].end |
28580.82 |
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所以會否符合名義的期待 |
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28580.8 |
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28582.8 |
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所以沒有法律尊重我尊重 |
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28582.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].end |
28584.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6410].text |
但是你符不符合名義的期待 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].start |
28584.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].end |
28586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6411].text |
其實名義期待當然是一個部分 |
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28586.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6412].end |
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因為我們就是要保護人民權益的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].start |
28588.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].end |
28590.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6413].text |
名義的期待就是他們的聲音 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].start |
28590.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].end |
28592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6414].text |
但是這邊我想要說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].start |
28592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].end |
28594.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6415].text |
每一個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].start |
28594.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].end |
28596.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6416].text |
即便不同的委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].start |
28596.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].end |
28598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6417].text |
他所他涉及到一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].start |
28598.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].end |
28600.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6418].text |
都不一樣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].start |
28601.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].end |
28605.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6419].text |
那就是要尊重處理的委員他的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].start |
28605.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].end |
28607.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6420].text |
他的調查對阿你剛剛講不能講 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].start |
28607.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].end |
28609.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6421].text |
我們又依據事實依據法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].start |
28609.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].end |
28611.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6422].text |
這是我當律師到監委我一貫這個的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].start |
28611.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].end |
28613.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6423].text |
我只是問市政到哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].start |
28613.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].end |
28615.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6424].text |
我想提醒一下因為你也是法律人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].start |
28615.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].end |
28617.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6425].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].start |
28617.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].end |
28619.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6426].text |
曾經有女警開巡邏車接送男友判刑三個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].start |
28619.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].end |
28621.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6427].text |
消防局長駕駛救災指揮車到台中辦理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].start |
28621.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].end |
28623.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6428].text |
實施判刑一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].start |
28623.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].end |
28625.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6429].text |
消防隊隊長騎乘警用機車上下班判刑一年六個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].start |
28625.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].end |
28627.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6430].text |
這是其實在公務員上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].start |
28627.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].end |
28629.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6431].text |
也有濫用公務車這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].start |
28629.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].end |
28631.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6432].text |
但是標準是否真的一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].start |
28631.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].end |
28633.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6433].text |
我覺得社會大眾自有公斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].start |
28633.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].end |
28635.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6434].text |
我今天在這個地方不外乎就是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].start |
28635.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].end |
28637.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6435].text |
跟民意間接對話的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].start |
28637.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].end |
28639.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6436].text |
所以我把民間對於監察院的諸多質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].start |
28639.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].end |
28641.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6437].text |
第一個是辦案有沒有發揮查弊的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].start |
28641.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].end |
28643.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6438].text |
第二個是在發生危機事件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].start |
28643.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].end |
28645.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6439].text |
因為制度標準是不是很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].start |
28645.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].end |
28647.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6440].text |
這些東西其實都值得社會多再做思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].start |
28647.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].end |
28649.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6441].text |
也請被提門思考一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].start |
28650.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].end |
28652.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6442].text |
好謝謝牛委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].start |
28652.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].end |
28654.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[6443].text |
下一位請審發會委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].start |
28671.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].end |
28673.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6444].text |
主席我們請張被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].start |
28683.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].end |
28685.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6445].text |
好張醫師你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].start |
28685.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].end |
28687.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6446].text |
這個我想張醫師過去具有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].start |
28687.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].end |
28689.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6447].text |
這個深厚的法律實務經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].start |
28689.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].end |
28691.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6448].text |
那這個長期投入這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].start |
28691.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].end |
28693.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6449].text |
法律輔助、司法改革、性別平權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].start |
28693.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].end |
28695.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6450].text |
跟這個兒少權益的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].start |
28697.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].end |
28699.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6451].text |
那你這次也是連任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].start |
28699.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].end |
28701.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6452].text |
因為你過去擔任第六屆監察委員之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].start |
28701.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].end |
28703.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6453].text |
你也把你過去在這個法律的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].start |
28703.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].end |
28705.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6454].text |
跟你在這個公民社會的這些經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].start |
28705.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].end |
28707.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6455].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].start |
28707.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].end |
28709.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6456].text |
這個帶到這個有關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].start |
28709.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].end |
28711.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6457].text |
司法違師、兒少保護、性別暴力、公共安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].start |
28711.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].end |
28713.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6458].text |
跟這個行政不法侵害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].start |
28716.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].end |
28718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6459].text |
人權的這些相關的調查工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].start |
28718.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].end |
28720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6460].text |
這部分我首先在這裡向你致意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].start |
28720.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].end |
28722.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6461].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].start |
28722.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].end |
28724.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6462].text |
給予高度的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].start |
28724.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].end |
28726.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6463].text |
那除了這個之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].start |
28726.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].end |
28728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6464].text |
您過去在這個國家人權委員會的工作方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].start |
28728.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].end |
28730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6465].text |
你也這個參與了這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].start |
28730.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].end |
28732.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6466].text |
以我看到的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].start |
28732.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].end |
28734.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6467].text |
跟我過去關心的幾個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].start |
28734.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].end |
28736.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6468].text |
你參與了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].start |
28736.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].end |
28738.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6469].text |
防治酷刑機制的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].start |
28739.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].end |
28741.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6470].text |
事情計畫的實地參訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].start |
28741.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].end |
28743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6471].text |
實地訪視 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].start |
28743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].end |
28745.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6472].text |
而且在這個校園跟這個安置機構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].start |
28745.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].end |
28747.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6473].text |
兒少性侵害的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].start |
28747.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].end |
28749.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6474].text |
系統性調查當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].start |
28749.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].end |
28751.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6475].text |
你也擔任這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].start |
28751.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].end |
28753.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6476].text |
督辦委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].start |
28753.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].end |
28755.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6477].text |
那這個也曾參與這個監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].start |
28755.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].end |
28757.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6478].text |
在監察院辦理第三十七屆的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].start |
28757.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].end |
28759.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6479].text |
這個APOR的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].start |
28759.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].end |
28761.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6480].text |
奧紐及太平洋地區監察史年會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].start |
28761.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].end |
28763.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6481].text |
我看你還擔任這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].start |
28764.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].end |
28768.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6482].text |
國家酷刑防治機制的實踐跟落實的研討會的主持人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].start |
28768.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].end |
28770.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6483].text |
是是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].start |
28770.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].end |
28772.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6484].text |
這個就跟這個與會各股 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].start |
28772.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].end |
28776.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6485].text |
就消除這個性別暴力跟人權保障交換經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].start |
28776.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].end |
28778.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6486].text |
可以說在這個人權方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].start |
28778.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].end |
28780.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[6487].text |
也做了相當多的這個努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].start |
28782.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].end |
28784.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6488].text |
那我按照這個監察院的官網資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].start |
28784.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].end |
28786.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6489].text |
我看到這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].start |
28786.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].end |
28788.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6490].text |
被提名人在第六屆的任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].start |
28788.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].end |
28790.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6491].text |
你正式參與這個正式的監察案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].start |
28790.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].end |
28792.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6492].text |
這個包括調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].start |
28792.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].end |
28794.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6493].text |
多達一百四十三件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].start |
28794.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].end |
28796.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6494].text |
一百五十件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].start |
28796.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].end |
28798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6495].text |
那我這個資料還少 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].start |
28798.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].end |
28800.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6496].text |
那其中糾正案六十五件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].start |
28800.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].end |
28802.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6497].text |
糾取案一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].start |
28802.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].end |
28804.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6498].text |
總計合計兩百零九件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].start |
28804.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].end |
28806.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6499].text |
我現在看到的這個資料是這樣 |
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28806.2 |
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那這個從整體案件方向來看來 |
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28808.2 |
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28810.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6501].text |
這個 |
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28810.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].end |
28812.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6502].text |
這個張律師是相當的稱職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].start |
28812.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6503].end |
28814.23 |
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那而且你的這個監察工作 |
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28814.23 |
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28816.23 |
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不是零散的處理這個案 |
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而是你有一些重點 |
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28818.23 |
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28820.23 |
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就是有關於弱勢權益 |
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28820.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].end |
28822.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6507].text |
公共安全跟這個制度的究責 |
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28822.23 |
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28824.23 |
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大概是你關注的核心 |
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28824.23 |
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28826.23 |
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那所以以下我就大概就幾個方面 |
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28826.23 |
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28828.23 |
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來請教這個張律師 |
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28828.23 |
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28830.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6511].text |
你在未來如果你有機會 |
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28830.23 |
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28832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6512].text |
繼續擔任監察委員的話 |
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28832.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].end |
28834.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6513].text |
你要如何延續跟深化相關的工作 |
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28834.23 |
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28836.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6514].text |
這是我 |
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28836.17 |
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28838.17 |
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接下來是幾個問題 |
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28838.6 |
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28840.6 |
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首先這個 |
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28840.71 |
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28842.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6517].text |
這個張律師非常長期 |
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28842.71 |
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28844.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6518].text |
這個深耕而且非常關注的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].start |
28844.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6519].end |
28846.71 |
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這個有關兒少保護跟校園安全的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].start |
28848.16 |
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28850.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[6520].text |
這個 |
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28849.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].end |
28851.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6521].text |
您過去對著兒少保護校園 |
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28851.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].end |
28853.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6522].text |
這個信評跟這個社會安全網 |
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28853.78 |
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28855.78 |
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都有長期深入的投入 |
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28855.78 |
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28857.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6524].text |
那這個我想請問就是說 |
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28857.78 |
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28859.78 |
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如果你能夠續任 |
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28859.78 |
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28861.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6526].text |
那你認為下一個階段關於兒少保護機制 |
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28861.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].end |
28863.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6527].text |
最需要補強的部分是哪些部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].start |
28863.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].end |
28865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6528].text |
這個是通報呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].start |
28865.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].end |
28867.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6529].text |
還是這個跨機關的資訊整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].start |
28867.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].end |
28869.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6530].text |
或者是案件的後續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].start |
28869.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6531].end |
28871.78 |
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那我也想了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].start |
28871.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].end |
28873.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6532].text |
這監察院如何促使各主管機關建立 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].start |
28873.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].end |
28875.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6533].text |
可以長期檢驗的這些改善指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].start |
28875.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].end |
28877.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6534].text |
讓監察成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].start |
28877.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].end |
28879.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6535].text |
能夠真正轉化為制度性的這個預設 |
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28879.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].end |
28881.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6536].text |
這個預防 |
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28882.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].end |
28884.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6537].text |
這部分是不是能夠請張律師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].start |
28884.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].end |
28886.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6538].text |
就這部分做個說明 |
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28886.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6539].end |
28888.57 |
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好的謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].start |
28888.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].end |
28890.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6540].text |
關於這個兒少的部分 |
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28890.57 |
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28892.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6541].text |
我在前面也提到過 |
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28892.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].end |
28894.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6542].text |
其實因為我個人參與 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].start |
28894.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].end |
28896.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6543].text |
我從當律師的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].start |
28896.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].end |
28898.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6544].text |
我就參與相關的兒少法制的一個修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].start |
28898.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].end |
28900.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6545].text |
我就希望提升兒少的權益 |
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28900.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6546].end |
28902.57 |
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因為你法制是第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6547].start |
28902.57 |
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28904.57 |
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你沒有法律就沒有依循 |
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28904.57 |
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28906.57 |
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就談不到後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].start |
28906.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].end |
28908.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6549].text |
所以我就相當積極的投入兒少 |
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28908.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].end |
28910.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6550].text |
那到監委這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].start |
28910.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].end |
28912.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6551].text |
監委這個任內的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].start |
28912.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].end |
28914.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6552].text |
其實我辦理的也是不只是 |
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28914.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].end |
28916.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6553].text |
一個單一的個案 |
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28916.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].end |
28918.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6554].text |
包括我辦理的凱凱案 |
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28918.57 |
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28920.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6555].text |
我每次提我想這是非常令人痛心的一個部分 |
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28920.57 |
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28922.57 |
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再者是 |
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28922.57 |
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28924.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6557].text |
系列性的一個案件 |
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28924.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].end |
28926.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6558].text |
所以在裡面委員您剛才提到的就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].start |
28926.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].end |
28928.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6559].text |
其實已經我們看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].start |
28928.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].end |
28930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6560].text |
我辦完一個個案 |
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28930.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].end |
28932.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6561].text |
或者系列個案或其他案件 |
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28932.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].end |
28934.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6562].text |
其實我會自己整體性在思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].start |
28934.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].end |
28936.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6563].text |
其實是 |
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28936.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].end |
28938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6564].text |
因為個案有個案的面向 |
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28938.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].end |
28940.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6565].text |
但是當你看了這麼多案件的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].start |
28940.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].end |
28942.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6566].text |
你必須要去思考 |
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28942.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].end |
28944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6567].text |
接下來 |
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28944.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].end |
28946.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6568].text |
這些為師要怎麼處理的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].start |
28946.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].end |
28948.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6569].text |
包括我前面也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].start |
28948.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].end |
28950.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6570].text |
像社安網就是幾個服務體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].start |
28952.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].end |
28954.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6571].text |
一個事件的發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].start |
28954.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].end |
28956.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6572].text |
就建了一個服務體系 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].start |
28956.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].end |
28958.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6573].text |
可是三個服務體系之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].start |
28958.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].end |
28960.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6574].text |
竟然還發生兒虐致死 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].start |
28960.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].end |
28962.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6575].text |
這問題在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].start |
28962.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].end |
28964.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6576].text |
所以我們常說一組則多協力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].start |
28964.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].end |
28966.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6577].text |
是沒有被落實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].start |
28966.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].end |
28968.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6578].text |
還有訪視還有風險的預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].start |
28968.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].end |
28970.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6579].text |
或者是從整個通報調查處 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].start |
28970.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].end |
28972.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6580].text |
機查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].start |
28972.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].end |
28974.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6581].text |
等等的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].start |
28974.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].end |
28976.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6582].text |
這些為師都賴行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].start |
28976.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].end |
28978.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6583].text |
一定要針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].start |
28978.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].end |
28980.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6584].text |
這些為師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].start |
28980.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].end |
28982.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6585].text |
有問題發生了我們是遺憾至極 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].start |
28982.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].end |
28984.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6586].text |
但是你問題發生了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].start |
28984.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].end |
28986.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6587].text |
你一定要改啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].start |
28986.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].end |
28988.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6588].text |
我跟您一定要下面一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].start |
28988.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].end |
28990.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6589].text |
過去我們確實在監察院發揮一定的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].start |
28990.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].end |
28992.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6590].text |
有一些監察的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].start |
28992.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].end |
28994.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6591].text |
監察的成果要怎麼樣轉化成制度性的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].start |
28994.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].end |
28996.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6592].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].start |
28996.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].end |
28998.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6593].text |
我們就有後續的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].start |
28998.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].end |
29000.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6594].text |
我們叫核簽的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].start |
29000.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].end |
29002.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6595].text |
也就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].start |
29002.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].end |
29004.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6596].text |
我們現在發現了這樣的為師 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].start |
29004.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].end |
29006.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6597].text |
提出調查報告了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].start |
29006.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].end |
29008.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6598].text |
行政機關你的行政改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].start |
29008.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].end |
29010.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6599].text |
或者牽涉到法律的修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].start |
29010.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].end |
29012.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6600].text |
是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].start |
29012.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].end |
29014.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6601].text |
假設你沒有改善的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].start |
29014.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].end |
29016.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6602].text |
監察院是可以進行質問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].start |
29016.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].end |
29018.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6603].text |
這是有個質問程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].start |
29018.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].end |
29020.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6604].text |
我們現在比較沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].start |
29020.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].end |
29022.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6605].text |
聽到這樣的一個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].start |
29022.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].end |
29024.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6606].text |
提出質問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].start |
29024.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].end |
29026.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6607].text |
對這個機關提出質問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].start |
29026.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6608].end |
29028.68 |
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那如果說質問還不改善 |
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29028.68 |
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29030.68 |
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那就可以進到下一步的彈劾 |
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29030.68 |
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29032.68 |
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我們是有個程序 |
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29032.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].end |
29034.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6611].text |
我們都希望 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].start |
29034.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].end |
29036.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6612].text |
我們雖然是監察制度 |
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29036.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].end |
29038.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6613].text |
我們是把這個為師找出來 |
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29038.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].end |
29040.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6614].text |
但是我們也深切的期盼 |
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29040.68 |
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29042.68 |
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行政能夠改革的 |
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29042.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].end |
29044.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6616].text |
所以這個部分我們也希望藉由這樣的程序 |
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29044.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].end |
29046.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6617].text |
讓行政機關能夠一步一步 |
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29046.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].end |
29048.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6618].text |
把那個制度的為師改善過來 |
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29048.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].end |
29050.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6619].text |
這個張律師在回答這個過程中 |
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29050.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].end |
29052.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6620].text |
是非常專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].start |
29052.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].end |
29054.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6621].text |
而且非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].start |
29054.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].end |
29056.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6622].text |
可以看出你過去的努力 |
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29056.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].end |
29058.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6623].text |
但是在回答裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].start |
29058.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].end |
29060.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6624].text |
你特別提到這個監察權的功能行使 |
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29060.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].end |
29062.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6625].text |
在前面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].start |
29062.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].end |
29064.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6626].text |
剛才這個其他委員的詢問當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].start |
29064.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].end |
29066.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6627].text |
也提到了我們有關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].start |
29068.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].end |
29070.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6628].text |
這個監察權的性質 |
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29070.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].end |
29072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6629].text |
跟他行使 |
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29072.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].end |
29074.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6630].text |
所以我在這邊 |
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29074.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].end |
29076.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6631].text |
就想要了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].start |
29076.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].end |
29078.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6632].text |
因為你是第六屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].start |
29078.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].end |
29080.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6633].text |
你本身已經是第六屆的監問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].start |
29080.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].end |
29082.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6634].text |
所以我想請問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].start |
29082.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].end |
29084.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6635].text |
目前之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].start |
29084.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].end |
29086.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6636].text |
在第六屆的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].start |
29086.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].end |
29088.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6637].text |
監察院在後期遇到了一個最大的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].start |
29088.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].end |
29090.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6638].text |
就是你們的這個面臨這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].start |
29090.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].end |
29092.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6639].text |
預算不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].start |
29092.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].end |
29094.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6640].text |
幾乎預算被立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].start |
29094.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].end |
29096.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6641].text |
這邊幾乎是刪除到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].start |
29096.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].end |
29098.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6642].text |
無法運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].start |
29098.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].end |
29100.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[6643].text |
那這個未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].start |
29100.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].end |
29102.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6644].text |
很有可能在面臨更大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].start |
29102.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].end |
29104.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6645].text |
就是有關人事同意權的僵局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].start |
29104.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].end |
29106.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6646].text |
如果人事同意權僵局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].start |
29106.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].end |
29108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6647].text |
持續下去那有可能會變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].start |
29108.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].end |
29110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6648].text |
這個實質上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].start |
29110.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].end |
29112.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6649].text |
癱瘓監察院的運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].start |
29113.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].end |
29115.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6650].text |
這個問題在史上不是第一次發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].start |
29115.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].end |
29117.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6651].text |
過去也曾經發生過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].start |
29117.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].end |
29119.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6652].text |
監察委員的同意權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].start |
29119.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].end |
29121.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6653].text |
我通通沒有通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].start |
29121.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].end |
29123.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6654].text |
監察院的職權就在這樣閒置 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].start |
29123.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].end |
29125.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6655].text |
那司法院事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].start |
29125.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].end |
29127.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6656].text |
也做出過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].start |
29127.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].end |
29129.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6657].text |
這個釋字第632號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].start |
29129.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].end |
29131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6658].text |
也曾經就針對這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].start |
29131.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].end |
29133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6659].text |
他認為說憲政機關不能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].start |
29133.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].end |
29135.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6660].text |
只有名義上的存在 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].start |
29135.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].end |
29137.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6661].text |
卻沒有辦法實際行使憲法所賦予的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].start |
29137.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].end |
29139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6662].text |
所以我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].start |
29139.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].end |
29141.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6663].text |
就是因為你是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].start |
29141.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].end |
29143.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6664].text |
自己曾經擔任過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].start |
29143.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].end |
29145.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6665].text |
過去有6年的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].start |
29145.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].end |
29147.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6666].text |
所以我講特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].start |
29147.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].end |
29149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6667].text |
因為這個有關於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].start |
29149.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].end |
29151.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6668].text |
目前我們在憲政體制上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].start |
29151.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].end |
29153.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6669].text |
監察院它就是一個存在的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].start |
29153.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].end |
29155.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6670].text |
而且有一些這個政府的職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].start |
29155.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].end |
29157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6671].text |
我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].start |
29157.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].end |
29159.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6672].text |
他就是賦予在監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].start |
29159.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].end |
29161.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[6673].text |
由監察院來行使最高的監察權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].start |
29162.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].end |
29164.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6674].text |
所以如果這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].start |
29164.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].end |
29166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6675].text |
因為這個人事同意權的僵局 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].start |
29166.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].end |
29168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6676].text |
使我們這個監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].start |
29168.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].end |
29170.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6677].text |
實質上癱瘓停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].start |
29170.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].end |
29172.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6678].text |
那我想了解以你過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].start |
29172.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].end |
29174.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6679].text |
在監察院你所經過的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].start |
29175.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].end |
29177.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6680].text |
這樣子如果真正這樣停擺了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].start |
29177.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].end |
29179.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6681].text |
他對人民的權益到底造成了什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].start |
29180.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].end |
29182.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6682].text |
實質上面的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].start |
29182.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].end |
29184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6683].text |
我想首先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].start |
29184.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].end |
29186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6684].text |
我今天已被提名人身份在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].start |
29186.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].end |
29188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6685].text |
可是我是在7月31號就卸任了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].start |
29188.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].end |
29190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6686].text |
也是今天8月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].start |
29190.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].end |
29192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6687].text |
7月31到8月11號 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].start |
29192.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].end |
29194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6688].text |
監察院就處於 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].start |
29194.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].end |
29196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6689].text |
空窗 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].start |
29196.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].end |
29198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6690].text |
大家要試想 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].start |
29198.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].end |
29200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6691].text |
我們提出的像有些彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].start |
29200.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].end |
29202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6692].text |
送到懲戒法院判決的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].start |
29202.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].end |
29204.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[6693].text |
判決出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].start |
29205.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].end |
29207.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6694].text |
如果是上訴是有不便期間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].start |
29207.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].end |
29209.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6695].text |
沒有監委這個部分沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].start |
29209.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].end |
29211.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6696].text |
沒有辦法行使喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].start |
29211.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].end |
29213.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6697].text |
這是已經產生一個空窗期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].start |
29213.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].end |
29215.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6698].text |
然後你彈劾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].start |
29215.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].end |
29217.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6699].text |
有些是有懲戒權行使期間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].start |
29217.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].end |
29219.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6700].text |
你期間過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].start |
29219.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].end |
29221.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6701].text |
其實你是不能進 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].start |
29221.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].end |
29223.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6702].text |
你就會被免疫掉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].start |
29223.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].end |
29225.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6703].text |
張醫師你所談的還是這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].start |
29225.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].end |
29227.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6704].text |
我們已經在處理後續的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].start |
29227.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].end |
29229.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6705].text |
糾正彈劾的相關問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].start |
29229.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].end |
29231.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6706].text |
但是事實上人民的懲刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].start |
29231.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].end |
29233.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6707].text |
會變成你完全你沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].start |
29233.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].end |
29235.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6708].text |
懲刑就會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].start |
29235.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].end |
29237.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6709].text |
我們高達百分之九十幾的案件 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].start |
29237.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].end |
29239.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6710].text |
都是來自於人民的懲刑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].start |
29239.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].end |
29241.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6711].text |
人民何故呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].start |
29241.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].end |
29243.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6712].text |
為什麼人民的權益是可以被判決到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].start |
29243.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].end |
29245.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6713].text |
事實上如果監察院因為人是同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].start |
29245.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].end |
29247.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6714].text |
選被癱瘓的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].start |
29247.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].end |
29249.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6715].text |
他真正受到最大的損害是人民的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].start |
29249.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].end |
29251.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6716].text |
而且四至六三二 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].start |
29251.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].end |
29253.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6717].text |
就是說 |
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監察院身為核心機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].start |
29255.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].end |
29257.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6719].text |
運作必須是實質的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].start |
29257.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].end |
29259.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6720].text |
存續跟正常運行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].start |
29259.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].end |
29261.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6721].text |
就是委員您剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].start |
29261.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].end |
29263.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6722].text |
不算的砍掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].start |
29263.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].end |
29265.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6723].text |
那就是讓他實質不能運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].start |
29265.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].end |
29267.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6724].text |
這是有違反事件的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].start |
29267.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].end |
29269.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6725].text |
這事件要到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].start |
29269.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].end |
29271.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6726].text |
整體而言我覺得張醫師過去六年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].start |
29271.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].end |
29273.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6727].text |
表現是值得我們高度肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].start |
29273.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].end |
29275.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6728].text |
我們也期待說這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].start |
29275.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].end |
29277.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6729].text |
張醫師如果能夠獲得立法院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].start |
29277.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].end |
29279.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6730].text |
同意續任 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].start |
29279.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].end |
29281.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6731].text |
我們能夠繼續延續過去六年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].start |
29281.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].end |
29283.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6732].text |
實務經驗跟人權的視野 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].start |
29283.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].end |
29285.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6733].text |
能夠讓監察權能夠繼續 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].start |
29285.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].end |
29287.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6734].text |
強化下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].start |
29287.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].end |
29289.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6735].text |
謝謝您 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].start |
29289.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].end |
29291.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[6736].text |
好謝謝沈委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].start |
29292.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].end |
29294.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6737].text |
謝謝被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].start |
29294.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].end |
29296.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6738].text |
包括全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].start |
29296.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].end |
29298.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6739].text |
對監察委員被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].start |
29298.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].end |
29300.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6740].text |
張菊芳詢答部分到此為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].start |
29300.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].end |
29302.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6741].text |
謝謝張被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].start |
29302.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].end |
29304.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6742].text |
列席答詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].start |
29304.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].end |
29306.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6743].text |
報告全院委員會休息五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].start |
29306.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].end |
29308.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6744].text |
休息之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].start |
29308.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].end |
29310.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6745].text |
進行對監察委員被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].start |
29310.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].end |
29312.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6746].text |
張豐義之詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].start |
29312.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].end |
29314.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6747].text |
現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].start |
29626.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].end |
29628.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6748].text |
報告全院委員會現在繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].start |
29628.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].end |
29634.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6749].text |
審查監察委員被提名人張豐義之資格相關事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].start |
29634.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].end |
29638.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[6750].text |
請被提名人張豐義先生說明時間為五分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].start |
29649.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].end |
29651.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6751].text |
主席各位委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].start |
29651.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].end |
29653.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6752].text |
各位女士各位先生大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].start |
29654.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].end |
29656.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6753].text |
本人陳萌總統賴清德 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].start |
29656.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].end |
29660.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6754].text |
以憲法提名擔任第七屆監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].start |
29660.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].end |
29662.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[6755].text |
並為國家人權委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].start |
29662.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].end |
29664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6756].text |
今天來到立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].start |
29664.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].end |
29668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6757].text |
接受立法委員秉持憲法賦予的職責進行審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].start |
29668.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].end |
29670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6758].text |
作為刑事同意權的依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].start |
29670.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].end |
29672.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[6759].text |
深感責任重大 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].start |
29674.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].end |
29676.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6760].text |
立法院在2009年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].start |
29676.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].end |
29678.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6761].text |
三讀通過了聯合國的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].start |
29679.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].end |
29681.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6762].text |
公民與政治權利國際公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].start |
29681.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].end |
29685.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6763].text |
與經濟社會文化權利國際公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].start |
29685.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].end |
29689.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6764].text |
也一併通過了上述兩公約實施法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].start |
29689.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].end |
29691.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6765].text |
將國際人權公約國內法化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].start |
29691.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].end |
29695.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6766].text |
這是標示了台灣與人權立國的第一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].start |
29696.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].end |
29700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6767].text |
那我們知道1991年聯合國人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].start |
29700.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].end |
29702.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6768].text |
在巴黎舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].start |
29702.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].end |
29706.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6769].text |
他在會議確立了關於促進和保護人權的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].start |
29706.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].end |
29709.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6770].text |
國家機構地位的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].start |
29709.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].end |
29711.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6771].text |
也就是簡稱的巴黎原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].start |
29711.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].end |
29715.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6772].text |
該原則在1993年聯合國大會通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].start |
29715.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].end |
29720.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6773].text |
以鼓勵、倡議及協議各國設置國家人權機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].start |
29720.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].end |
29722.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6774].text |
並要求國家人權機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].start |
29722.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].end |
29726.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6775].text |
應具備以國際人權標準行使的廣泛職權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].start |
29726.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].end |
29729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6776].text |
及獨立性多元性足夠的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].start |
29729.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].end |
29731.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6777].text |
以及充分的調查權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].start |
29731.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].end |
29734.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6778].text |
立法院也在2019年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].start |
29734.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].end |
29738.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6779].text |
三讀通過監察院國家人權委員會組織法 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].start |
29738.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].end |
29741.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6780].text |
依據聯合國的巴黎公約 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].start |
29741.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].end |
29743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6781].text |
成立國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].start |
29743.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].end |
29746.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6782].text |
以落實相關國際人權公約的規範 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].start |
29746.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].end |
29749.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6783].text |
並且推展人權觀念與教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].start |
29750.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].end |
29754.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6784].text |
國家人權委員會的草創初期百廢待舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].start |
29755.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].end |
29759.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6785].text |
在第一屆的國家人權委員會的委員的努力之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].start |
29759.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].end |
29760.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6786].text |
將 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].start |
29760.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].end |
29762.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6787].text |
人權委員會的人事與運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].start |
29763.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].end |
29767.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6788].text |
組織運作、磨合、逐漸步入軌道,功不可沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].start |
29767.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].end |
29772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6789].text |
第一屆的國家人權委員也在任期結束前 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].start |
29772.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].end |
29777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6790].text |
公開提出了國家人權委員會對於台灣國家人權機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].start |
29777.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].end |
29779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6791].text |
未來發展之意見書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].start |
29779.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].end |
29784.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6792].text |
提檢了這六年來國家人權委員會的運作的局限 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].start |
29784.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].end |
29787.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6793].text |
並提出了依加速內部 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].start |
29788.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].end |
29792.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6794].text |
運作改革二,逐步推動成立獨立機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].start |
29792.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].end |
29795.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6795].text |
這兩大改革方向的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].start |
29795.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].end |
29797.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6796].text |
本人深感欽佩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].start |
29797.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].end |
29802.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6797].text |
國家人權委員會在邁向第二屆人權委員任期之際 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].start |
29803.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].end |
29805.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6798].text |
將面臨更大的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].start |
29805.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].end |
29806.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6799].text |
特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].start |
29806.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].end |
29809.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6800].text |
全球的貿易從過去的自由貿易 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].start |
29809.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].end |
29812.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6801].text |
逐漸轉變成公平貿易 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].start |
29812.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].end |
29816.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6802].text |
而台灣長期以出國導向的經濟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].start |
29816.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].end |
29820.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6803].text |
並在全球供應鏈中扮演重要的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].start |
29820.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].end |
29823.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6804].text |
國際商品貿易與勞動人權標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].start |
29823.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].end |
29825.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6805].text |
逐漸的緊密配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].start |
29827.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].end |
29829.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6806].text |
我們都知道2020年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].start |
29829.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].end |
29833.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6807].text |
行政院首度公布的企業與人權國家行動計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].start |
29833.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].end |
29838.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6808].text |
依據聯合國工商企業及人權指導原則的規範與精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].start |
29839.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].end |
29842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6809].text |
就企業營運有關的人權保障事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].start |
29842.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].end |
29845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6810].text |
提出未來性的重點方向與措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].start |
29845.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].end |
29849.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6811].text |
是亞洲第二個提出這個國家行動計畫的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].start |
29850.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].end |
29853.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6812].text |
而第一屆的國家人權委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].start |
29853.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].end |
29855.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6813].text |
也在2025年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].start |
29855.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].end |
29859.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6814].text |
針對前述的國家行動計畫的更新版 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].start |
29859.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].end |
29862.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6815].text |
提出了相關的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].start |
29863.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].end |
29869.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6816].text |
我們可以看到以近期美國針對全球60個經濟體 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].start |
29869.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].end |
29874.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6817].text |
進行的強迫勞動301條款的調查為例 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].start |
29874.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].end |
29877.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6818].text |
雖然最後我國因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].start |
29877.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].end |
29879.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6819].text |
禁止強迫勞動的行政承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].start |
29879.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].end |
29881.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6820].text |
而獲得美方的諒解 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].start |
29881.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6821].end |
29884.54 |
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那取得了10%不疊加 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].start |
29884.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].end |
29887.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6822].text |
較其他國家優惠的關稅待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].start |
29888.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].end |
29892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6823].text |
不過從這個事件我們已經可以看出 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].start |
29892.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].end |
29894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6824].text |
國際勞動人權的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].start |
29894.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].end |
29899.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[6825].text |
已經成為影響台灣經濟發展的重要因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].start |
29900.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].end |
29906.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6826].text |
而國家人權委員會的存在正是台灣面對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].start |
29907.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].end |
29913.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6827].text |
國際貿易與人權標準正逐漸的密切扣合之際呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].start |
29913.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].end |
29918.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6828].text |
他具備的最具關鍵地位的國家人權推動的一個樞紐 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].start |
29919.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].end |
29925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6829].text |
所以如果本人有幸擔任第二屆的國家人權委員會委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].start |
29925.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].end |
29931.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6830].text |
自當對於國際勞動人權與國內法治與行政措施的契合 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].start |
29931.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].end |
29933.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6831].text |
全力投入倡議與改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].start |
29933.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].end |
29937.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6832].text |
這不僅保障台灣勞工的勞動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].start |
29937.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].end |
29940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6833].text |
更是台灣產業與經濟擺脫過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].start |
29940.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].end |
29944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6834].text |
血和經濟模式冒向勞資共好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].start |
29944.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].end |
29947.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6835].text |
環境共善的經濟模式的開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].start |
29947.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].end |
29948.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6836].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].start |
29950.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].end |
29951.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6837].text |
好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].start |
29951.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].end |
29953.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6838].text |
謝謝張蓓廷明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].start |
29957.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].end |
29960.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6839].text |
現在進行委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].start |
29960.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].end |
29962.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6840].text |
首先請徐委員中信詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].start |
29977.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].end |
29982.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6841].text |
主席 我們有請勞動人權鬥士張豐一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].start |
29982.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].end |
29984.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[6842].text |
請張蓓廷明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].start |
29990.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].end |
29991.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6843].text |
張多士好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].start |
29991.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].end |
29993.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6844].text |
不敢當 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].start |
29993.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].end |
29994.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6845].text |
天主 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].start |
29994.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].end |
29996.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6846].text |
在德文這是一個鬥士 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].start |
29997.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].end |
29999.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[6847].text |
所以我對您非常的敬重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].start |
30001.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].end |
30004.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6848].text |
在我的印象當中您就是長期 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].start |
30005.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].end |
30007.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6849].text |
為台灣的勞動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].start |
30007.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].end |
30008.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[6850].text |
來 碰到 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].start |
30009.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].end |
30011.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[6851].text |
我沒有看過你哭笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].start |
30012.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].end |
30014.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6852].text |
希望我今天對您的詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].start |
30015.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].end |
30017.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6853].text |
我會讓你哭笑不得 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].start |
30019.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].end |
30020.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[6854].text |
首先 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].start |
30020.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].end |
30022.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6855].text |
我先講哭的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].start |
30023.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].end |
30029.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6856].text |
您的報告裡面提到我們台灣在國際貿易跟勞動人權的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].start |
30030.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].end |
30032.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6857].text |
我們國際貿易的競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].start |
30033.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].end |
30034.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6858].text |
當然有很多因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].start |
30035.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].end |
30036.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6859].text |
我們主席 議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].start |
30037.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].end |
30038.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[6860].text |
會長清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].start |
30039.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].end |
30040.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6861].text |
但是台糖土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].start |
30041.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].end |
30045.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[6862].text |
提供給我們比較便宜的用地成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].start |
30046.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].end |
30049.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6863].text |
是我們的競爭力的原因之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].start |
30050.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].end |
30052.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[6864].text |
那我們台糖土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].start |
30053.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].end |
30054.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6865].text |
可以分成兩大類 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].start |
30056.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].end |
30058.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6866].text |
一大類就是我們的皮糖乾河 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].start |
30059.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].end |
30060.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[6867].text |
或是海埔新生地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].start |
30061.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].end |
30062.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6868].text |
另外一大類 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].start |
30064.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].end |
30065.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[6869].text |
它怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].start |
30067.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].end |
30069.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[6870].text |
日本人1895年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].start |
30071.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].end |
30072.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[6871].text |
看到它所繼承 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].start |
30073.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].end |
30075.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[6872].text |
的青代觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].start |
30076.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].end |
30078.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[6873].text |
竟然在雲林以南 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].start |
30079.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].end |
30081.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[6874].text |
有這麼多的觀友地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].start |
30083.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].end |
30085.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6875].text |
所以日本人那時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].start |
30086.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].end |
30089.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[6876].text |
就想辦法要來善用這些觀友地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].start |
30090.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].end |
30092.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6877].text |
所以成立第一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].start |
30093.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].end |
30095.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6878].text |
台灣SET |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].start |
30095.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].end |
30096.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6879].text |
核心機 看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].start |
30098.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].end |
30099.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6880].text |
台灣治糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].start |
30100.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].end |
30101.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6881].text |
祝福會勝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].start |
30102.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].end |
30103.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[6882].text |
它的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].start |
30104.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].end |
30106.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6883].text |
就是從青代繼承下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].start |
30107.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].end |
30108.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[6884].text |
成立台糖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].start |
30109.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].end |
30110.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6885].text |
而台糖這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].start |
30111.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].end |
30113.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[6886].text |
土地裡面會被賤賣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].start |
30115.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].end |
30116.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6887].text |
就是好的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].start |
30117.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].end |
30118.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6888].text |
它的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].start |
30118.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].end |
30119.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[6889].text |
您知道它是怎麼來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].start |
30122.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].end |
30124.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6890].text |
如果無來人知道這些土地的來源 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].start |
30126.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].end |
30128.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[6891].text |
今天這個錢不敢吞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].start |
30129.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].end |
30130.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[6892].text |
絕對要脫衣服回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].start |
30132.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].end |
30134.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6893].text |
這是我們台灣宣傳 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].start |
30135.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].end |
30137.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[6894].text |
三百多年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].start |
30137.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].end |
30138.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[6895].text |
三一一消化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].start |
30140.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].end |
30141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[6896].text |
狗年一大換 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].start |
30143.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].end |
30144.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6897].text |
祝Q祝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].start |
30148.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].end |
30149.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6898].text |
青代觀察 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].start |
30151.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].end |
30152.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[6899].text |
所以狗來人 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].start |
30154.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].end |
30155.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[6900].text |
你敢吃這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].start |
30156.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].end |
30158.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[6901].text |
賤賣台糖土地的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].start |
30159.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].end |
30160.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6902].text |
你別吊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].start |
30162.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].end |
30164.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[6903].text |
哇 說到這個故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].start |
30164.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].end |
30165.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[6904].text |
我更要吃 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].start |
30167.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].end |
30168.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[6905].text |
我們用藍卡來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].start |
30170 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].end |
30172 |
| transcript.whisperx[6906].text |
我的外祖藍卡就40到第1首歌 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].start |
30174.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].end |
30175.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6907].text |
藍卡的土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].start |
30177.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].end |
30178.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6908].text |
一QQ囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].start |
30178.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].end |
30179.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[6909].text |
你吃藍卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].start |
30180.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].end |
30182.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6910].text |
我來藍卡我給你吃藍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].start |
30182.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].end |
30183.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[6911].text |
來對我誇賽一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].start |
30184.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].end |
30185.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6912].text |
誇賽一 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].start |
30188.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].end |
30189.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[6913].text |
很多都對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].start |
30191.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].end |
30192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6914].text |
土地都對著 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].start |
30192.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].end |
30194.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[6915].text |
拔殺萬世的中軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].start |
30195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].end |
30197.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[6916].text |
太陽太陽中軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].start |
30199.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].end |
30201.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[6917].text |
狗來人你敢吃這個錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].start |
30203.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].end |
30205.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6918].text |
我為了你好你還要快吐回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].start |
30207.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].end |
30208.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6919].text |
媽的 別吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].start |
30210.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].end |
30212.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6920].text |
這個是讓我很難過的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].start |
30213.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].end |
30214.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6921].text |
我們藍卡率先告 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].start |
30217.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].end |
30218.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[6922].text |
藍卡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].start |
30219.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].end |
30220.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6923].text |
比較高位階的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].start |
30221.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].end |
30222.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[6924].text |
技術人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].start |
30223.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].end |
30224.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[6925].text |
虧錢對歌勇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].start |
30225.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].end |
30227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6926].text |
對大南虎社來我們新市吃頭肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].start |
30228.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].end |
30230.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6927].text |
他沒要帶我們新市護肩 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].start |
30230.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].end |
30231.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6928].text |
環境不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].start |
30232.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].end |
30234.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[6929].text |
台南附近各鄉鎮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].start |
30235.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].end |
30236.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[6930].text |
到藍卡來上班的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].start |
30237.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].end |
30240.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[6931].text |
勞工完全仰賴機車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].start |
30241.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].end |
30244.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6932].text |
因為公共設施真的很不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].start |
30246.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].end |
30247.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[6933].text |
機車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].start |
30247.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].end |
30249.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[6934].text |
這是在美國這種礦也可以起 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].start |
30250.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].end |
30252.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6935].text |
在台灣這種人口密集的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].start |
30254.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].end |
30255.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[6936].text |
非常危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].start |
30256.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].end |
30258.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6937].text |
所以我幾乎在成大教書 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].start |
30258.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].end |
30261.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[6938].text |
每天出門都會看到機車的車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].start |
30262.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].end |
30264.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6939].text |
請問這個有勞動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].start |
30267.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].end |
30268.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[6940].text |
請問這個有勞動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].start |
30269.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].end |
30273.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6941].text |
勞工因為上下班 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].start |
30275.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].end |
30278.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6942].text |
造成的如果有通勤的直篩這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].start |
30278.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].end |
30282.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6943].text |
其實在台灣按照勞動的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].start |
30282.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].end |
30285.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6944].text |
在過去這一二十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].start |
30285.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].end |
30286.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6945].text |
他沒有太大的改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].start |
30286.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].end |
30288.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6946].text |
就是因為上下班通勤 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].start |
30288.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].end |
30291.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6947].text |
而造成的直篩死亡人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].start |
30291.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].end |
30293.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6948].text |
我前一陣子才做過這個統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].start |
30294.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].end |
30298.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6949].text |
他大概每一年過去二三十年 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].start |
30298.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].end |
30300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6950].text |
大概每一年都三百人左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].start |
30300.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].end |
30301.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6951].text |
死亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].start |
30301.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].end |
30302.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6952].text |
台灣是第一對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].start |
30302.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].end |
30305.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6953].text |
上下班通勤還有執行職務的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].start |
30308.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].end |
30313.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6954].text |
所以這個問題確實是勞工因為上下班 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].start |
30313.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].end |
30316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6955].text |
然後造成的通勤的直篩的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].start |
30316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].end |
30319.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6956].text |
確實大眾運輸的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].start |
30319.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].end |
30321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6957].text |
我們知道大眾運輸的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].start |
30321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].end |
30325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6958].text |
可能可以有效的來抑制這樣子的事情發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].start |
30325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].end |
30328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6959].text |
但是我們知道除了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].start |
30328.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].end |
30331.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6960].text |
大台北地區或高雄以外 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].start |
30331.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].end |
30333.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6961].text |
其實台灣其他的地方的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].start |
30334.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].end |
30337.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6962].text |
所謂的公共運輸發展還是不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].start |
30337.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].end |
30340.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[6963].text |
造成勞工必須要用這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].start |
30341.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].end |
30343.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[6964].text |
死亡率 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].start |
30345.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].end |
30346.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[6965].text |
他的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].start |
30346.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].end |
30348.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6966].text |
很明顯可以看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].start |
30348.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].end |
30350.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[6967].text |
所以公共建設非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].start |
30350.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].end |
30352.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[6968].text |
所以您點出我要講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].start |
30353.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].end |
30354.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[6969].text |
笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].start |
30355.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].end |
30357.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[6970].text |
您聽到這個故事不要笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].start |
30358.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].end |
30360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6971].text |
我有一次在台北有活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].start |
30360.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].end |
30362.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[6972].text |
搭最後一班高鐵回台南 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].start |
30363.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].end |
30364.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[6973].text |
已經沒有接駁車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].start |
30365.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].end |
30367.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[6974].text |
這麼晚我也不想打擾我的助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].start |
30368.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].end |
30370.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6975].text |
所以我就叫了計程車 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].start |
30370.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].end |
30372.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[6976].text |
從台南沙侖要回新市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].start |
30374.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].end |
30376.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[6977].text |
我已經跟他講的是新市 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].start |
30376.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].end |
30379.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6978].text |
結果計程車一直跳跳跳跳到新化 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].start |
30380.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].end |
30382.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6979].text |
到新市跟新化的交界 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].start |
30382.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].end |
30384.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[6980].text |
已經到700塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].start |
30385.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].end |
30387.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6981].text |
我跟司機講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].start |
30387.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].end |
30389.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6982].text |
先去搞啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].start |
30389.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].end |
30390.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[6983].text |
真的是到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].start |
30391.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].end |
30393.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6984].text |
我下車走路40分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].start |
30394.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].end |
30395.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6985].text |
走到我家 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].start |
30395.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].end |
30397.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[6986].text |
你就笑了對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].start |
30397.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].end |
30398.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[6987].text |
這是真實的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].start |
30399.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].end |
30400.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6988].text |
這是真實的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].start |
30401.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].end |
30404.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[6989].text |
這個高鐵站設在沙侖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].start |
30405.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].end |
30408.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[6990].text |
本來是在新市火車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].start |
30409.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].end |
30411.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[6991].text |
要跟台鐵共共 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].start |
30412.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].end |
30414.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6992].text |
如果這樣對南科的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].start |
30414.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].end |
30416.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6993].text |
更有國際貿易競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].start |
30416.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].end |
30418.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[6994].text |
台南人才真的有高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].start |
30419.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].end |
30423.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6995].text |
但是當時因為有政治人物炒作地皮 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].start |
30423.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].end |
30426.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[6996].text |
要炒作沙侖附近的墳墓 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].start |
30426.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].end |
30429.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6997].text |
硬把高鐵站拉到沙侖 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].start |
30429.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].end |
30434.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[6998].text |
所以使得台南人現在到台北是最耗時的 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].start |
30437.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].end |
30439.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[6999].text |
屏東你搭火車到左沿 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].start |
30439.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].end |
30441.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[7000].text |
一下子一個半小時就到台北 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].start |
30442.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].end |
30444.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7001].text |
而我們台南人現在沒有高鐵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].start |
30445.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].end |
30446.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7002].text |
這個原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].start |
30447.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].end |
30448.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7003].text |
何在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].start |
30449.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].end |
30450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7004].text |
我非常感佩委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].start |
30450.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].end |
30457.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7005].text |
對於這種非都會區人民的運輸上的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].start |
30457.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].end |
30460.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7006].text |
那我們知道移動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].start |
30460.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].end |
30467.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7007].text |
事實上也是現在新興的人權的標準走向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].start |
30467.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].end |
30468.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7008].text |
所以移動人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].start |
30468.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].end |
30469.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[7009].text |
因為我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].start |
30470.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].end |
30473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7010].text |
我們即使有非常多的政府相關的資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].start |
30473.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].end |
30475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7011].text |
不管是醫療還是社福資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].start |
30475.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].end |
30478.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7012].text |
如果你這個移動上沒有辦法去達到的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].start |
30478.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].end |
30480.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7013].text |
他的可近性很低的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].start |
30480.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].end |
30484.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7014].text |
那譬如說你這些醫院可近性很低的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].start |
30484.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].end |
30488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7015].text |
那也沒有辦法達到他的醫療效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].start |
30488.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].end |
30492.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7016].text |
所以我們台灣這個非都會區的人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].start |
30492.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].end |
30493.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7017].text |
所以台港土地 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].start |
30494.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].end |
30495.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[7018].text |
不只被賤賣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].start |
30496.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].end |
30497.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[7019].text |
還被浪費 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].start |
30498.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].end |
30500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7020].text |
台港土地成立難科 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].start |
30500.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].end |
30505.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7021].text |
如果高鐵站如原來的設計在新式火車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].start |
30506.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].end |
30507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7022].text |
跟台鐵共過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].start |
30507.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].end |
30511.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7023].text |
我們台南現在的競爭力不是現在而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].start |
30512.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].end |
30514.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[7024].text |
而當時被政治人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].start |
30516.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].end |
30518.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[7025].text |
集體把他拉到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].start |
30519.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].end |
30520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7026].text |
殺人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].start |
30520.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].end |
30524.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7027].text |
而我們新式組成一個自救會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].start |
30524.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].end |
30527.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7028].text |
但是新式因為諸一貴事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].start |
30527.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].end |
30528.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7029].text |
先民被屠殺 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].start |
30528.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].end |
30530.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[7030].text |
所以人口非常稀少 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].start |
30530.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].end |
30532.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7031].text |
日本人來調查人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].start |
30532.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].end |
30535.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7032].text |
新式的人口只贏南化跟農旗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].start |
30535.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].end |
30538.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[7033].text |
所以我們只能選出一個縣議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].start |
30540.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].end |
30542.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7034].text |
縣議員保不住這個高鐵站 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].start |
30543.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].end |
30545.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7035].text |
我是新式第一個立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].start |
30545.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].end |
30547.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7036].text |
但是that is too late |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].start |
30547.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].end |
30548.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7037].text |
太慢了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].start |
30549 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].end |
30552 |
| transcript.whisperx[7038].text |
所以您如果成為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].start |
30552.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].end |
30555.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7039].text |
要不要去調查該弊案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].start |
30555.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].end |
30556.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[7040].text |
是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].start |
30557.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].end |
30561.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7041].text |
強把高鐵站從新式拉到殺人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].start |
30561.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].end |
30564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7042].text |
加以懲案加以調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].start |
30564.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].end |
30566.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[7043].text |
給我台南人一個高鐵站 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].start |
30567.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].end |
30568.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7044].text |
一個真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].start |
30569.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].end |
30571.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7045].text |
一個公平的對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].start |
30572.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].end |
30574.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7046].text |
我想如果委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].start |
30574.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].end |
30577.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7047].text |
因為委員也是代表龐大的名義 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].start |
30577.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].end |
30581.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7048].text |
委員如果檢具相關的事證的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].start |
30581.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].end |
30583.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7049].text |
我想監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].start |
30583.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].end |
30585.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7050].text |
面對各式各樣民眾的審判 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].start |
30585.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].end |
30588.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7051].text |
我們都會非常嚴肅的立案來調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].start |
30588.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].end |
30590.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7052].text |
我們一起來努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].start |
30590.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].end |
30592.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7053].text |
特別是這種剛才委員說到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].start |
30592.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].end |
30595.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7054].text |
這個涉及到交通這種偏見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].start |
30597.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].end |
30598.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7055].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].start |
30598.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].end |
30600.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7056].text |
謝謝徐若嫣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].start |
30600.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].end |
30603.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[7057].text |
下一位請郭國文委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].start |
30621.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].end |
30622.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7058].text |
謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].start |
30622.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].end |
30623.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7059].text |
有請貝提明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].start |
30623.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].end |
30626.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7060].text |
我們請當貝提明人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].start |
30635.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].end |
30636.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7061].text |
鳳雲恭喜 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].start |
30636.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].end |
30638.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7062].text |
過去你在勞工運動的一個努力 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].start |
30638.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].end |
30640.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7063].text |
獲得賴總統的肯定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].start |
30640.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].end |
30642.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7064].text |
我相信這是被提名的主要原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].start |
30642.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].end |
30644.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7065].text |
但我也看了您的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].start |
30644.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].end |
30646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7066].text |
自傳相關的內容當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].start |
30646.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].end |
30649.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7067].text |
你有體會到進入體制的行政的相關改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].start |
30649.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].end |
30651.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7068].text |
其實相當的不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].start |
30651.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].end |
30654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7069].text |
必須協調這個折衝各方 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].start |
30654.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].end |
30656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7070].text |
當然你也特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].start |
30656.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].end |
30659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7071].text |
制度性的改革才能系統化的解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].start |
30659.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].end |
30660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7072].text |
個案的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].start |
30660.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].end |
30663.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7073].text |
我相信你已經有進入體制的這個準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].start |
30663.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].end |
30666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7074].text |
不過現階段的一些勞動型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].start |
30666.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].end |
30668.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7075].text |
還有整個經濟環境 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].start |
30668.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].end |
30670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7076].text |
我想說也要就教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].start |
30670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].end |
30673.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7077].text |
在被提名後的看法是如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].start |
30673.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].end |
30676.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7078].text |
特別是現在越來越凸顯的K型經濟當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].start |
30676.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].end |
30679.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7079].text |
我們現在台灣的經濟確實是非常非常的特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].start |
30679.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].end |
30680.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7080].text |
一是低通膨 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].start |
30680.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].end |
30682.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7081].text |
二是低失業率 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].start |
30682.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].end |
30684.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7082].text |
三缺工非常嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].start |
30684.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].end |
30685.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7083].text |
四最關鍵的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].start |
30685.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].end |
30687.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7084].text |
薪資成長越特別的低 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].start |
30687.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].end |
30689.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7085].text |
我想這個問題你也注意到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].start |
30689.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].end |
30692.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7086].text |
特別現在又遇到K型的經濟發展型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].start |
30692.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].end |
30694.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7087].text |
少數的產業特別的好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].start |
30694.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].end |
30696.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7088].text |
當然少數的薪資也特別的高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].start |
30696.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].end |
30698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7089].text |
連央行都表示 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].start |
30698.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].end |
30701.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7090].text |
過去的一個貨幣政策工具都難以解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].start |
30701.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].end |
30704.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7091].text |
類似現在的這種困境的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].start |
30704.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].end |
30705.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7092].text |
譬如講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].start |
30705.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].end |
30708.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7093].text |
昨天主計書才公布了1到6月的薪資統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].start |
30708.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].end |
30711.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7094].text |
經常性薪資平均是51888 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].start |
30711.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].end |
30715.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7095].text |
但中位數的部分只有40985 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].start |
30715.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].end |
30717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7096].text |
而有70%的人的薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].start |
30717.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].end |
30719.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7097].text |
是低於這樣的平均數 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].start |
30720.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].end |
30722.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7098].text |
這樣的數字理當不應該出現的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].start |
30722.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].end |
30727.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7099].text |
一個人平均的GDP超過4萬美元的一個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].start |
30727.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].end |
30729.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7100].text |
經濟成長去年超過8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].start |
30729.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].end |
30732.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7101].text |
而今年預計成長超過10 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].start |
30732.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].end |
30734.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7102].text |
類似這樣的經濟型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].start |
30734.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].end |
30737.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7103].text |
跟勞動的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].start |
30737.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].end |
30739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7104].text |
我想在行政部門當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].start |
30739.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].end |
30740.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7105].text |
是一個很重要關鍵的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].start |
30740.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].end |
30742.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7106].text |
我想請教你的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].start |
30744.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].end |
30747.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7107].text |
謝謝國委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].start |
30747.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].end |
30751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7108].text |
國委員這個問題的提問非常的深入 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].start |
30751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].end |
30754.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7109].text |
確實台灣在這個K型經濟下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].start |
30754.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].end |
30756.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7110].text |
如何來照顧這個底層的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].start |
30756.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].end |
30760.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7111].text |
從剛剛委員提到的主計處的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].start |
30760.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].end |
30762.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7112].text |
昨天公布的統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].start |
30762.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].end |
30765.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7113].text |
事實上為什麼有70%的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].start |
30765.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].end |
30768.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7114].text |
他的薪資是低於這個平均的工資 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].start |
30768.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].end |
30770.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7115].text |
你就可以看到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].start |
30770.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].end |
30772.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7116].text |
事實上因為有這個我們台灣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].start |
30772.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].end |
30775.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7117].text |
半導體產業的高度發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].start |
30775.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].end |
30779.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7118].text |
所以會讓高薪者他的薪資是大幅提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].start |
30779.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].end |
30782.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7119].text |
所以整個大家知道平均薪資 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].start |
30782.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].end |
30785.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7120].text |
所以平均下來那個平均薪資就會高很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].start |
30785.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].end |
30787.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7121].text |
那另外一方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].start |
30787.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].end |
30791.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7122].text |
我們的這個所謂的比較低薪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].start |
30791.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].end |
30794.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7123].text |
非典勞工的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].start |
30794.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].end |
30797.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7124].text |
他的人數在擴充當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].start |
30797.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].end |
30800.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7125].text |
所以怎麼樣來解決這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].start |
30800.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].end |
30803.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7126].text |
首先就是要對於我們這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].start |
30803.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].end |
30805.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7127].text |
非典勞工的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].start |
30805.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].end |
30808.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7128].text |
需要有做一個比較多的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].start |
30808.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].end |
30810.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7129].text |
讓我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].start |
30810.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].end |
30812.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7130].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].start |
30811.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].end |
30812.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7131].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].start |
30812.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].end |
30814.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7132].text |
比如說在前一陣子立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].start |
30814.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].end |
30816.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7133].text |
通過有關外送員專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].start |
30816.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].end |
30819.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7134].text |
這一個我們大概台灣現在外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].start |
30819.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].end |
30821.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7135].text |
應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].start |
30820.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].end |
30822.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7136].text |
大概有15到20萬人之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].start |
30822.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].end |
30825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7137].text |
那讓他們的權益有一個基本的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].start |
30825.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].end |
30826.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7138].text |
那也通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].start |
30826.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].end |
30828.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7139].text |
那未來這個法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].start |
30828.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].end |
30830.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7140].text |
要如何的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].start |
30830.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].end |
30833.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7141].text |
那我覺得這也是未來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].start |
30833.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].end |
30836.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7142].text |
如果一旦進入監察院的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].start |
30836.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].end |
30839.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7143].text |
必須要來督促行政機關來執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].start |
30839.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].end |
30842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7144].text |
那另外在非典勞工的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].start |
30842.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].end |
30843.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7145].text |
大家都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].start |
30843.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].end |
30845.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7146].text |
比如說這個部分工時者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].start |
30845.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].end |
30848.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7147].text |
還有這個派遣勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].start |
30848.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].end |
30850.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[7148].text |
那這一些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].start |
30852.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].end |
30855.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7149].text |
怎麼樣來更進一步確保他們的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].start |
30855.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].end |
30858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7150].text |
我覺得這個也是要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].start |
30858.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].end |
30860.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7151].text |
更進一步來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].start |
30860.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].end |
30862.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7152].text |
我們知道這個部分工時者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].start |
30862.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].end |
30864.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7153].text |
在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].start |
30864.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].end |
30868.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7154].text |
像前一陣子有個數十億的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].start |
30868.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].end |
30870.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[7155].text |
一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].start |
30869.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].end |
30871.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7156].text |
職場霸凌的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].start |
30871.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].end |
30872.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7157].text |
那我們可以知道就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].start |
30872.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].end |
30875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7158].text |
部分工時者他因為排班 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].start |
30875.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].end |
30878.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7159].text |
賦予企業非常多的排班的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].start |
30878.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].end |
30879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7160].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].start |
30879.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].end |
30880.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7161].text |
造成部分工時者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].start |
30880.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].end |
30883.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7162].text |
他在工時上的排班的高度不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].start |
30883.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].end |
30887.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7163].text |
所以行程也會造成他的收入的不穩定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].start |
30887.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].end |
30890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7164].text |
我覺得怎麼樣讓這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].start |
30890.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].end |
30892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7165].text |
通常從事非典工作的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].start |
30892.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].end |
30895.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7166].text |
都是希望他工作要有彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].start |
30895.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].end |
30896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7167].text |
但是怎麼樣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].start |
30896.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].end |
30898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7168].text |
讓他有彈性又有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].start |
30898.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].end |
30900.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7169].text |
不管是工作權的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].start |
30900.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].end |
30902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7170].text |
還是薪資的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].start |
30902.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].end |
30905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7171].text |
我覺得這個在法律面制度面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].start |
30905.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].end |
30908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7172].text |
都要再進一步來改革的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].start |
30908.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].end |
30910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7173].text |
所以就你觀察K型經濟造型 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].start |
30910.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].end |
30912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7174].text |
K型勞工收入的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].start |
30912.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].end |
30913.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7175].text |
高所得的很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].start |
30913.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].end |
30916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7176].text |
但低所得是因為非典型的勞動的形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].start |
30916.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].end |
30918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7177].text |
而造成相對的低所得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].start |
30918.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].end |
30920.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7178].text |
如果是這種方式的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].start |
30920.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].end |
30922.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7179].text |
要改變低所得的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].start |
30922.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].end |
30923.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7180].text |
就要照顧他們的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].start |
30923.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].end |
30925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7181].text |
可以讓平均數可以拉高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].start |
30925.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].end |
30929.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7182].text |
而不是一味的用政府的手段來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].start |
30929.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].end |
30930.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7183].text |
既然如此的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].start |
30930.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].end |
30931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7184].text |
那我們就來討論一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].start |
30931.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].end |
30934.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[7185].text |
這非典型的勞動僱用要怎麼去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].start |
30935.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].end |
30936.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7186].text |
面對啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].start |
30936.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].end |
30937.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7187].text |
剛剛你也提到一些啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].start |
30937.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].end |
30939.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7188].text |
就是說部分公司的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].start |
30939.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].end |
30941.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7189].text |
外送平台外送員專法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].start |
30941.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].end |
30944.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7190].text |
確實已經有這個通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].start |
30944.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].end |
30946.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7191].text |
但是以勞動派遣、勞動承攬 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].start |
30946.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].end |
30948.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7192].text |
以及共享經濟的非典型勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].start |
30948.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].end |
30949.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7193].text |
確實是人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].start |
30949.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].end |
30951.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7194].text |
就業人口數是越來越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].start |
30951.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].end |
30953.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7195].text |
但我們必須去面對一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].start |
30953.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].end |
30956.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7196].text |
過往的整個勞動關係的認定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].start |
30956.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].end |
30958.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7197].text |
都是鎖定在所謂的僱用關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].start |
30958.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].end |
30960.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7198].text |
即便國家立法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].start |
30960.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].end |
30962.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7199].text |
也是用勞動基準法的概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].start |
30962.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].end |
30963.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7200].text |
是用僱用關係來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].start |
30963.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].end |
30966.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7201].text |
所以透過面對這種非典的勞動型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].start |
30966.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].end |
30967.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7202].text |
增加的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].start |
30967.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].end |
30970.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7203].text |
勞動部過去的做法就一直解釋再解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].start |
30970.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].end |
30973.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7204].text |
想要把它扣連在一個勞動關係上面來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].start |
30973.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].end |
30976.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7205].text |
顯然解釋還是有它一定幅度的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].start |
30976.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].end |
30977.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7206].text |
那另外一種方式呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].start |
30977.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].end |
30981.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7207].text |
現在有一些立委就是用專法再專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].start |
30981.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].end |
30982.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7208].text |
從外送員專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].start |
30982.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].end |
30984.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7209].text |
現在又想要立一個平台的專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].start |
30984.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].end |
30986.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[7210].text |
可是專法如果能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].start |
30987.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].end |
30988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7211].text |
那當然也是一種好的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].start |
30988.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].end |
30989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7212].text |
但事實不然 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].start |
30989.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].end |
30991.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7213].text |
外送員專法之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].start |
30991.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].end |
30994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7214].text |
平台又抽出一些方式來做因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].start |
30994.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].end |
30996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7215].text |
才會提出所謂的平台專法的出現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].start |
30996.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].end |
30999.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7216].text |
所以顯然這個平台的這個特定的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].start |
30999.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].end |
31001.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7217].text |
職業的這個專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].start |
31001.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].end |
31003.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7218].text |
未必有那麼好用的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].start |
31003.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].end |
31005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7219].text |
恐怕我們要思考一個新的型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].start |
31005.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].end |
31007.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7220].text |
新的型態的部分就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].start |
31007.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].end |
31009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7221].text |
過往我們在鎖定這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].start |
31009.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].end |
31012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7222].text |
僱用關係的一個勞動基準法的思考上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].start |
31012.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].end |
31016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7223].text |
只是會照顧到傳統僱用關係的勞動者的身上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].start |
31016.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].end |
31017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7224].text |
那另外一種呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].start |
31017.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].end |
31019.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7225].text |
自營作業者要不要去關心呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].start |
31020.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].end |
31022.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7226].text |
自營作業者的一種勞動型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].start |
31022.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].end |
31024.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7227].text |
其實在台灣的保護上只有社會保險 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].start |
31024.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].end |
31025.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7228].text |
並沒有專屬的法案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].start |
31025.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].end |
31026.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7229].text |
這是第一啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].start |
31026.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].end |
31028.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7230].text |
第二個是累勞工的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].start |
31029.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].end |
31031.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7231].text |
累勞工的部分就是類似這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].start |
31031.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].end |
31033.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7232].text |
彈性勞動體制情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].start |
31033.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].end |
31035.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7233].text |
非典型勞動者的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].start |
31035.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].end |
31037.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7234].text |
有沒有需要另立一個基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].start |
31037.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].end |
31039.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7235].text |
我想要就教於被提名的看法怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].start |
31039.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].end |
31040.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7236].text |
這三種分類當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].start |
31040.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].end |
31042.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7237].text |
台灣是不是要重新思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].start |
31042.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].end |
31045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7238].text |
對不同的勞動者進行不同的保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].start |
31045.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].end |
31047.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7239].text |
才能達到剛剛所提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].start |
31047.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].end |
31049.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[7240].text |
不同的勞動者的薪資可以提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].start |
31050.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].end |
31051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7241].text |
是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].start |
31051.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].end |
31053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7242].text |
特別是現在的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].start |
31053.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].end |
31057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7243].text |
他要的可能是一個工作的自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].start |
31057.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].end |
31058.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7244].text |
工作的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].start |
31058.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].end |
31059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7245].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].start |
31059.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].end |
31060.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7246].text |
事實上有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].start |
31060.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].end |
31064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7247].text |
所以很多勞工他會選擇一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].start |
31064.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].end |
31067.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7248].text |
非傳統的一些工作型態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].start |
31067.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].end |
31070.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7249].text |
有的時候也是有他個人選擇的一個成分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].start |
31070.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].end |
31072.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7250].text |
不過如果在他個人選擇的自由 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].start |
31072.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].end |
31075.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7251].text |
跟他長期的勞動保障之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].start |
31075.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].end |
31077.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7252].text |
我覺得要取得平衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].start |
31077.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].end |
31080.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7253].text |
各式各樣的非典的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].start |
31080.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].end |
31082.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7254].text |
是不是國家要來立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].start |
31082.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].end |
31083.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7255].text |
像平台經濟的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].start |
31083.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].end |
31086.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7256].text |
甚至有些國家對於勞動派遣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].start |
31086.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].end |
31088.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7257].text |
也是用專法的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].start |
31088.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].end |
31089.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7258].text |
那我們台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].start |
31089.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].end |
31091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7259].text |
我們目前是在勞基法裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].start |
31091.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].end |
31093.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7260].text |
有幾個重要的條文來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].start |
31093.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].end |
31094.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7261].text |
那這個夠不夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].start |
31094.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].end |
31096.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7262].text |
我覺得都可以再討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].start |
31096.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].end |
31099.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7263].text |
因為我們曾經勞動派遣也考慮過要立 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].start |
31099.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].end |
31102.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7264].text |
專法或是勞基法的專章 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].start |
31102.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].end |
31105.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7265].text |
但是當時也只有幾個條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].start |
31105.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].end |
31107.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7266].text |
這個我覺得都可以再來加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].start |
31107.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].end |
31109.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7267].text |
然後有一些類勞工的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].start |
31109.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].end |
31112.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7268].text |
我覺得也可以來思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].start |
31112.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].end |
31116.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7269].text |
用一種更寬廣的方式來去處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].start |
31116.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].end |
31125.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7270].text |
那當然如果透過這一些勞工自主的團結的組織的形成 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].start |
31125.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].end |
31128.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7271].text |
我覺得也是一個非常好的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].start |
31128.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].end |
31129.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7272].text |
在其他國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].start |
31129.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].end |
31132.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7273].text |
譬如說我們從2011年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].start |
31132.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].end |
31134.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7274].text |
我們新的勞動實際案法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].start |
31134.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].end |
31135.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7275].text |
有關這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].start |
31136.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].end |
31139.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7276].text |
產子業工會他們新的一些發展的籌組 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].start |
31139.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].end |
31143.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7277].text |
那這幾年有一些就是說產子業工會的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].start |
31143.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].end |
31146.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7278].text |
我覺得也是非常值得借鏡 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].start |
31146.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].end |
31150.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7279].text |
那這一些所謂的非典型的勞動者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].start |
31150.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].end |
31154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7280].text |
他們可不可以自發性的自主性的透過團結權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].start |
31154.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].end |
31160.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7281].text |
來形成他們自助人助的一個團結組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].start |
31160.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].end |
31163.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7282].text |
我覺得然後在國家在制度上給予他們一些協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].start |
31163.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].end |
31167.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7283].text |
我覺得這個都是可以來進行的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].start |
31167.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].end |
31171.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7284].text |
我覺得集體勞動權利的部分的彰顯當然是非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].start |
31171.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].end |
31177.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7285].text |
但是透過集體力量能夠捍衛集體的勞動或個體的勞動的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].start |
31177.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].end |
31180.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7286].text |
老實講在台灣數十年的歷史發展當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].start |
31180.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].end |
31183.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7287].text |
沒有太多樂觀的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].start |
31183.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].end |
31185.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7288].text |
即便我們立法上由於這樣的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].start |
31185.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].end |
31187.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7289].text |
不過以以前的廠廠工會的形態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].start |
31187.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].end |
31191.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7290].text |
廠廠的一個整個勞動的環境的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].start |
31191.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].end |
31193.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7291].text |
比較能夠凝聚集體的勞動行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].start |
31193.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].end |
31196.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7292].text |
但是問題是現在這種分散的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].start |
31196.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].end |
31199.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7293].text |
要形成一個集體勞動的空間的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].start |
31199.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].end |
31201.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7294].text |
老實講是相對困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].start |
31201.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].end |
31203.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7295].text |
你法律可以賦予這樣的空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].start |
31203.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].end |
31207.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7296].text |
但是實際上有形成這種集體勞動的談判力量的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].start |
31207.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].end |
31210.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7297].text |
老實說是相對很不容易 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].start |
31210.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].end |
31212.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7298].text |
我覺得面對現實來說是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].start |
31212.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].end |
31213.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7299].text |
這種情況不容易的情況底下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].start |
31213.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].end |
31215.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7300].text |
國家的角色就非常的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].start |
31215.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].end |
31218.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7301].text |
就如同你剛剛提到了政府的角色是非常關鍵 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].start |
31218.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].end |
31221.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7302].text |
也就如同你現在被提名為監察委員的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].start |
31221.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].end |
31222.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7303].text |
也應該扮演這個角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].start |
31222.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].end |
31225.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7304].text |
要求行政部門發揮一定的力量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].start |
31225.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].end |
31226.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7305].text |
在法的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].start |
31226.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].end |
31229.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7306].text |
不論是剛剛提到勞動法的基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].start |
31229.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].end |
31231.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7307].text |
或者是勞動專章或勞動專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].start |
31231.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].end |
31233.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7308].text |
或者勞動基本法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].start |
31233.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].end |
31236.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7309].text |
都有可能形成這種體制的一個健全 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].start |
31236.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].end |
31238.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7310].text |
我期待你把你過去的勞動運動的精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].start |
31238.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].end |
31239.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7311].text |
引入這個體制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].start |
31241.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].end |
31243.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[7312].text |
好 謝謝郭委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].start |
31244.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].end |
31247.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7313].text |
下一位請王洪威委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].start |
31259.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].end |
31260.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7314].text |
好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].start |
31260.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].end |
31262.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7315].text |
請被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].start |
31262.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].end |
31264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7316].text |
好 請 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].start |
31264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].end |
31266.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[7317].text |
我們張被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].start |
31273.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].end |
31275.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7318].text |
好 被提名人好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].start |
31275.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].end |
31278.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7319].text |
我有看你的自傳和你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].start |
31278.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].end |
31279.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7320].text |
我必須講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].start |
31279.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].end |
31282.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7321].text |
跟很多位被提名人比較起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].start |
31282.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].end |
31285.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7322].text |
你的自傳你的報告都非常的簡要 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].start |
31286.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].end |
31291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7323].text |
在您有限的這個自傳的敘述裡面提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].start |
31291.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].end |
31294.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7324].text |
您曾經進入勞委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].start |
31294.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].end |
31298.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7325].text |
就是現在勞動部前身擔任主委的機要秘書 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].start |
31298.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].end |
31301.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7326].text |
您是擔任前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].start |
31301.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].end |
31304.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7327].text |
主委 盧天琳主委的機要秘書嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].start |
31304.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].end |
31305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7328].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].start |
31305.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].end |
31306.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7329].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].start |
31306.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].end |
31307.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[7330].text |
我覺得好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].start |
31308.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].end |
31310.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7331].text |
這個經驗可能不是很好的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].start |
31311.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].end |
31316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7332].text |
我想盧天琳她後來所爆發的種種的弊案跟爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].start |
31316.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].end |
31323.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7333].text |
她應該算是史上最糟糕的這個勞委會主委或勞動部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].start |
31323.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].end |
31325.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[7334].text |
那在她的任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].start |
31326.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].end |
31331.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[7335].text |
就是有她這個貪污挪用公款去做選舉的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].start |
31332.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].end |
31338.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7336].text |
然後她後來去擔任亞洲航空公司的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].start |
31340.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].end |
31341.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7337].text |
董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].start |
31341.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].end |
31344.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7338].text |
那麼也濫訴勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].start |
31344.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].end |
31348.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7339].text |
而且事實上有很多勞工都在投訴她 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].start |
31348.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].end |
31350.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7340].text |
那行徑極為囂張跟惡劣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].start |
31350.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].end |
31352.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7341].text |
如果以現在的標準來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].start |
31352.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].end |
31356.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7342].text |
簡直是完全沒有辦法為社會接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].start |
31356.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].end |
31359.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[7343].text |
所以我想請問被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].start |
31361.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].end |
31363.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7344].text |
基本上你覺得你那一段的經歷 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].start |
31363.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].end |
31365.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7345].text |
因為你特別寫在你的自傳上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].start |
31365.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].end |
31367.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[7346].text |
你覺得是一個好的經歷嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].start |
31369.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].end |
31370.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[7347].text |
啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].start |
31371.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].end |
31373.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7348].text |
我大概在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].start |
31373.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].end |
31375.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7349].text |
因為當時我是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].start |
31375.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].end |
31377.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[7350].text |
當時那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].start |
31377.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].end |
31379.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7351].text |
盧天玲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].start |
31379.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].end |
31380.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7352].text |
她那時候是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].start |
31380.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].end |
31382.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7353].text |
民進黨部分區立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].start |
31382.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].end |
31385.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7354].text |
那我本來就是在她立委的辦公室 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].start |
31385.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].end |
31387.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7355].text |
所以跟著她進入勞委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].start |
31387.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].end |
31389.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7356].text |
後來她在立委的最後一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].start |
31389.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].end |
31391.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7357].text |
到勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].start |
31391.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].end |
31393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7358].text |
勞委會擔任主委一年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].start |
31393.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].end |
31395.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7359].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].start |
31395.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].end |
31397.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7360].text |
我當時就協助她 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].start |
31397.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].end |
31399.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7361].text |
在這個勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].start |
31399.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].end |
31401.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7362].text |
所以你認不認爲她的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].start |
31401.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].end |
31404.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7363].text |
我剛才講史上最糟糕的勞委會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].start |
31404.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].end |
31406.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7364].text |
沒有冤枉她吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].start |
31406.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].end |
31407.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[7365].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].start |
31408.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].end |
31409.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7366].text |
被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].start |
31409.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].end |
31411.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7367].text |
你是被提名爲監委哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].start |
31411.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].end |
31415.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7368].text |
如果你連她已經受到司法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].start |
31415.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].end |
31417.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7369].text |
這個制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].start |
31417.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].end |
31419.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[7370].text |
包含她這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].start |
31420.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].end |
31421.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7371].text |
對不起哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].start |
31421.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].end |
31423.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7372].text |
包含她這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].start |
31423.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].end |
31425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7373].text |
就有關於貪污的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].start |
31425.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].end |
31428.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7374].text |
或者是她濫訴勞工的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].start |
31428.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].end |
31431.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7375].text |
你都還沒有辦法有一個定見的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].start |
31431.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].end |
31433.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7376].text |
那你如果當上監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].start |
31433.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].end |
31435.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7377].text |
我不曉得你能夠監察誰啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].start |
31435.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].end |
31436.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7378].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].start |
31436.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].end |
31437.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7379].text |
我的意思是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].start |
31437.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].end |
31438.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7380].text |
她的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].start |
31438.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].end |
31440.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7381].text |
所謂的涉貪的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].start |
31440.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].end |
31441.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7382].text |
她已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].start |
31442.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].end |
31443.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[7383].text |
得到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].start |
31444.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].end |
31446.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7384].text |
在進入司法的審判 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].start |
31446.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].end |
31447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7385].text |
那有 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].start |
31447.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].end |
31449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7386].text |
也有受到司法相關的一個懲處 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].start |
31449.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].end |
31451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7387].text |
那我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].start |
31451.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].end |
31454.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7388].text |
我們這個社會上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].start |
31454.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].end |
31456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7389].text |
每個人應該對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].start |
31456.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].end |
31459.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7390].text |
受過司法案件懲處的未來人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].start |
31459.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].end |
31460.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7391].text |
他如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].start |
31460.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].end |
31462.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7392].text |
後來願意這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].start |
31462.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].end |
31463.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7393].text |
被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].start |
31463.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].end |
31466.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7394].text |
因為你被提名的是監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].start |
31466.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].end |
31468.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7395].text |
如果你還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].start |
31468.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].end |
31470.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7396].text |
針對雖然是你的老長官 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].start |
31470.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].end |
31474.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7397].text |
有一個符合社會期待的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].start |
31474.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].end |
31476.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7398].text |
一個評價的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].start |
31476.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].end |
31478.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7399].text |
其實會讓外界認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].start |
31478.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].end |
31480.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7400].text |
你到底能不能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].start |
31480.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].end |
31483.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7401].text |
去執行你的監察的任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].start |
31483.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].end |
31484.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7402].text |
會有疑問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].start |
31485.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].end |
31486.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7403].text |
另外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].start |
31486.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].end |
31488.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7404].text |
在你的自傳裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].start |
31488.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].end |
31490.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7405].text |
也提到剛才前面郭國文委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].start |
31490.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].end |
31491.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7406].text |
也提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].start |
31491.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].end |
31494.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7407].text |
你提到有關於派遣跟外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].start |
31494.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].end |
31497.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7408].text |
這樣新習態的一個勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].start |
31497.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].end |
31499.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7409].text |
他的相關的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].start |
31499.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].end |
31502.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7410].text |
要怎麼在制度上建立跟重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].start |
31503.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].end |
31505.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7411].text |
最近發生一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].start |
31505.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].end |
31506.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[7412].text |
就是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].start |
31507.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].end |
31509.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[7413].text |
UberEats的外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].start |
31510.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].end |
31513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7414].text |
他們去北檢去提告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].start |
31513.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].end |
31517.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[7415].text |
最主要就是我們在立法院通過了外送專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].start |
31517.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].end |
31519.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7416].text |
而這些平台呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].start |
31519.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].end |
31520.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7417].text |
說他會執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].start |
31520.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].end |
31523.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7418].text |
他會依法來給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].start |
31523.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].end |
31524.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7419].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].start |
31524.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].end |
31526.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7420].text |
現在時間到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].start |
31526.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].end |
31528.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7421].text |
他在七月份上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].start |
31528.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].end |
31530.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7422].text |
可是外送員就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].start |
31530.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].end |
31531.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7423].text |
他們利用演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].start |
31531.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].end |
31534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7424].text |
事實上並沒有依法給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].start |
31534.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].end |
31537.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[7425].text |
所以他們去暗鈴申告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].start |
31538.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].end |
31539.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7426].text |
其實照理說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].start |
31539.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].end |
31542.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7427].text |
他們應該跟勞動部去投訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].start |
31542.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].end |
31543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7428].text |
我們這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].start |
31543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].end |
31545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7429].text |
我們的立法委員們 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].start |
31545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].end |
31548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7430].text |
也會來請勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].start |
31548.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].end |
31549.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7431].text |
予以協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].start |
31549.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].end |
31551.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7432].text |
而且應該予以調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].start |
31552.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].end |
31554.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7433].text |
可是他們採取的是去北檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].start |
31554.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].end |
31555.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7434].text |
去提告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].start |
31555.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].end |
31558.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7435].text |
所以這也充分顯示出 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].start |
31558.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].end |
31559.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7436].text |
我們的外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].start |
31559.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].end |
31562.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7437].text |
即使已經有外送專法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].start |
31562.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].end |
31564.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7438].text |
照理應該可以保護他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].start |
31564.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].end |
31565.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7439].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].start |
31565.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].end |
31569.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7440].text |
業者還是巧妙的利用演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].start |
31569.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].end |
31571.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7441].text |
去迴避他應有的責任 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].start |
31571.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].end |
31572.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7442].text |
所以請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].start |
31572.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].end |
31575.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7443].text |
貝提明人你怎麼來看這個事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].start |
31575.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].end |
31577.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7444].text |
外送業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].start |
31577.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].end |
31579.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7445].text |
運用這種演算法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].start |
31579.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].end |
31581.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7446].text |
來這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].start |
31581.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].end |
31584.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7447].text |
這個在國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].start |
31584.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].end |
31586.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7448].text |
我們把它稱之為演算法獨裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].start |
31586.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].end |
31587.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7449].text |
這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].start |
31587.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].end |
31588.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7450].text |
那我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].start |
31588.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].end |
31591.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[7451].text |
這個新法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].start |
31591.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].end |
31595.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7452].text |
我覺得既然賦予國家公權力 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].start |
31595.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].end |
31598.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7453].text |
可以來針對這個平台業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].start |
31598.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].end |
31599.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7454].text |
來行政處罰的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].start |
31599.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].end |
31600.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7455].text |
那我覺得當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].start |
31601.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].end |
31603.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7456].text |
這個如果這個外送員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].start |
31603.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].end |
31605.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7457].text |
他有權益受損 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].start |
31605.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].end |
31608.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7458].text |
自然行政單位應該要依法來裁罰這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].start |
31608.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].end |
31610.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7459].text |
平台業者才對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].start |
31610.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].end |
31612.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7460].text |
如果如果當然行政單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].start |
31612.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].end |
31614.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7461].text |
如果有所缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].start |
31614.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].end |
31616.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7462].text |
有所帶墮的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].start |
31616.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].end |
31621.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7463].text |
那監察委員應該自然一定要發動來調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].start |
31621.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].end |
31623.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7464].text |
我覺得這個法律剛通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].start |
31623.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].end |
31625.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7465].text |
怎麼樣來落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].start |
31625.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].end |
31627.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7466].text |
來照顧到這些非典勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].start |
31627.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].end |
31630.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7467].text |
我覺得是整個社會的共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].start |
31630.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].end |
31632.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7468].text |
最後一件也跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].start |
31632.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].end |
31636.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[7469].text |
這個你過去應該關心的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].start |
31637.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].end |
31639.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7470].text |
我想請問一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].start |
31639.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].end |
31641.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7471].text |
現在行政院事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].start |
31641.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].end |
31643.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7472].text |
立法院朝野都有共識 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].start |
31643.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].end |
31645.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7473].text |
為了要幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].start |
31645.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].end |
31647.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7474].text |
我們年輕的父母育兒 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].start |
31647.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].end |
31648.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7475].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].start |
31648.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].end |
31652.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7476].text |
我們有開放外籍幫傭的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].start |
31652.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].end |
31655.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7477].text |
也就是有一個小孩 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].start |
31655.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].end |
31657.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7478].text |
12歲以下的小孩的家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].start |
31657.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].end |
31661.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7479].text |
就可以聘用外籍幫傭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].start |
31661.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].end |
31663.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7480].text |
請問一下被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].start |
31663.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].end |
31665.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[7481].text |
這個政策您支持嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].start |
31667.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].end |
31669.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7482].text |
聘請外籍幫傭12歲以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].start |
31669.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].end |
31672.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7483].text |
我個人是覺得就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].start |
31672.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].end |
31676.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7484].text |
國家應該先優先的來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].start |
31676.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].end |
31678.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7485].text |
這個擴大這個所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].start |
31678.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].end |
31681.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7486].text |
公共托育的一個照顧的能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].start |
31681.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].end |
31683.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7487].text |
讓這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].start |
31683.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].end |
31685.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7488].text |
所以你這個政策已經是公開的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].start |
31685.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].end |
31687.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7489].text |
行政院已經正式宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].start |
31687.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].end |
31688.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7490].text |
對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].start |
31688.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].end |
31689.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7491].text |
那我意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].start |
31689.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].end |
31691.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7492].text |
因為你說請家庭幫傭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].start |
31691.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].end |
31692.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7493].text |
事實上每個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].start |
31692.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].end |
31695.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7494].text |
耗費的薪資恐怕不是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].start |
31695.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].end |
31697.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7495].text |
一般的上班族的家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].start |
31697.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].end |
31698.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7496].text |
可以負擔得起的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].start |
31698.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].end |
31700.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7497].text |
所以我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].start |
31700.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].end |
31702.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7498].text |
這個部分可能即使開放了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].start |
31702.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].end |
31705.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7499].text |
可能只解決某一部分的社會問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].start |
31705.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].end |
31706.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7500].text |
所以你不支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].start |
31706.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].end |
31708.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7501].text |
它只是一種錦上添花的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].start |
31708.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].end |
31711.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7502].text |
我個人覺得擴大公共托育的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].start |
31711.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].end |
31714.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7503].text |
而且是平價優質的公共托育 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].start |
31714.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].end |
31715.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7504].text |
我覺得這才是對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].start |
31715.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].end |
31718.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7505].text |
我們一般普遍上班族雙薪家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].start |
31718.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].end |
31720.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7506].text |
好這個呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].start |
31720.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].end |
31721.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7507].text |
當時呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].start |
31721.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].end |
31722.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7508].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].start |
31723.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].end |
31727.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7509].text |
監察院國家人權會也出來反對這個新制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].start |
31727.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].end |
31730.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7510].text |
但是這個是一個朝野包含行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].start |
31730.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].end |
31731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7511].text |
跟立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].start |
31731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].end |
31732.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7512].text |
像我自己本身 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].start |
31732.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].end |
31734.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7513].text |
我也支持這樣的一個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].start |
31734.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].end |
31736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7514].text |
那我必須要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].start |
31736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].end |
31738.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7515].text |
就是說以我們現在少子化 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].start |
31738.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].end |
31741.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7516].text |
我個人支持勞動普這項新制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].start |
31741.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].end |
31743.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7517].text |
那但是我可以看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].start |
31743.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].end |
31746.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7518].text |
我們的這個被提名人看起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].start |
31746.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].end |
31749.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7519].text |
你對這個這個政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].start |
31749.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].end |
31750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7520].text |
你看起來有反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].start |
31750.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].end |
31751.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7521].text |
但是我也講 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].start |
31752.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].end |
31755.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7522].text |
雖然監察院後來有表示反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].start |
31755.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].end |
31756.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7523].text |
最後也不了了之啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].start |
31756.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].end |
31759.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7524].text |
也沒有對行政院這項政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].start |
31759.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].end |
31762.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[7525].text |
有任何的調查或有任何的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].start |
31763.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].end |
31765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7526].text |
那另外因為被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].start |
31765.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].end |
31767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7527].text |
你是第一次被提名嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].start |
31767.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].end |
31768.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7528].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].start |
31768.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].end |
31770.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[7529].text |
那我想請教你一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].start |
31773.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].end |
31777.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7530].text |
在這一屆的監委裡面爆發了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].start |
31777.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].end |
31779.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7531].text |
在外界討論非常多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].start |
31779.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].end |
31783.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7532].text |
就是有濫用公務預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].start |
31784.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].end |
31786.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7533].text |
就是公務車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].start |
31786.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].end |
31790.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7534].text |
事實上這個涉及好幾位的監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].start |
31790.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].end |
31796.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7535].text |
那包括前秘書長也因此而下台 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].start |
31797.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].end |
31798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7536].text |
監察院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].start |
31798.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].end |
31801.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7537].text |
雖然說啟動了調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].start |
31801.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].end |
31802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7538].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].start |
31802.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].end |
31804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7539].text |
除了呂敬義秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].start |
31804.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].end |
31807.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7540].text |
他是自己主動請辭下台之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].start |
31807.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].end |
31809.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7541].text |
其他的監委呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].start |
31809.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].end |
31811.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7542].text |
事實上也就沒事了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].start |
31811.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].end |
31815.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7543].text |
包含呢這次提名的副院長的人選 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].start |
31815.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].end |
31819.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7544].text |
其實他也深陷這個濫用公務車的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].start |
31819.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].end |
31822.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7545].text |
這個整個的風暴之中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].start |
31822.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].end |
31824.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7546].text |
因為啊你是新提名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].start |
31824.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].end |
31827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7547].text |
我想你應該可以用比較中性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].start |
31827.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].end |
31830.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7548].text |
這非涉及的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].start |
31830.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].end |
31831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7549].text |
你怎麼看 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].start |
31831.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].end |
31833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7550].text |
就是身為國台大人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].start |
31833.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].end |
31836.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7551].text |
然後呢在公務車的濫用上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].start |
31836.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].end |
31839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7552].text |
被外界質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].start |
31839.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].end |
31841.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7553].text |
但是後來調查不了了之 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].start |
31842.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].end |
31843.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7554].text |
你怎麼來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].start |
31843.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].end |
31847.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7555].text |
我覺得監察委員作為他要彈劾我們所有的百官 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].start |
31847.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].end |
31849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7556].text |
的這種地位呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].start |
31849.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].end |
31852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7557].text |
我覺得事實上要更謹慎自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].start |
31852.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].end |
31855.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7558].text |
要對自己的地位要更謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].start |
31855.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].end |
31859.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7559].text |
那我覺得這個公務車的這個使用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].start |
31859.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].end |
31860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7560].text |
我覺得監察院呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].start |
31860.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].end |
31863.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7561].text |
應該要有一個更明確的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].start |
31863.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].end |
31865.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7562].text |
而且是更透明的一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].start |
31865.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].end |
31867.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7563].text |
讓社會大眾知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].start |
31867.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].end |
31869.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7564].text |
這個公務車不會被濫用 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].start |
31869.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].end |
31871.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7565].text |
好但是最後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].start |
31871.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].end |
31873.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7566].text |
雖然雷聲大雨點小 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].start |
31873.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].end |
31877.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7567].text |
就是看起來呢大規模的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].start |
31885.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].end |
31887.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7568].text |
好謝謝王委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].start |
31887.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].end |
31890.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[7569].text |
下一位請李坤哲委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].start |
31910.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].end |
31912.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7570].text |
好謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].start |
31912.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].end |
31914.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7571].text |
請一下張貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].start |
31914.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].end |
31916.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[7572].text |
請張貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].start |
31922.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].end |
31924.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7573].text |
好張貝提名人您好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].start |
31924.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].end |
31926.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7574].text |
關於你過去長期啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].start |
31926.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].end |
31929.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7575].text |
在勞工運動爭取勞工的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].start |
31929.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].end |
31933.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7576].text |
站在第一線所付出的努力啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].start |
31933.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].end |
31936.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7577].text |
其實大家印象都非常的深刻 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].start |
31936.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].end |
31939.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7578].text |
那我們就直接要進入相關的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].start |
31939.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].end |
31942.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7579].text |
我要來請教張貝提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].start |
31942.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].end |
31944.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7580].text |
有關於勞工的權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].start |
31944.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].end |
31947.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7581].text |
不管是勞保勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].start |
31947.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].end |
31949.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7582].text |
或是相關的勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].start |
31949.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].end |
31951.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7583].text |
以及相關的職業災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].start |
31951.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].end |
31953.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7584].text |
不管是相關的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].start |
31953.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].end |
31954.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7585].text |
或者是重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].start |
31954.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].end |
31957.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7586].text |
都是勞工非常關心的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].start |
31958.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].end |
31960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7587].text |
那我首先要請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].start |
31960.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].end |
31961.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7588].text |
我們的勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].start |
31961.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].end |
31963.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7589].text |
除了勞動部的職安署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].start |
31963.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].end |
31965.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7590].text |
是他的相關職權之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].start |
31965.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].end |
31967.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7591].text |
中央也委託啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].start |
31967.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].end |
31968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7592].text |
職轄市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].start |
31968.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].end |
31969.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7593].text |
或是經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].start |
31969.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].end |
31971.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7594].text |
或是國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].start |
31971.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].end |
31973.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7595].text |
或是其他的待檢機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].start |
31973.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].end |
31976.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7596].text |
那相關的這樣一個勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].start |
31976.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].end |
31978.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7597].text |
相關的實際的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].start |
31978.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].end |
31980.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[7598].text |
你認為有什麼問題嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].start |
31980.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].end |
31983.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7599].text |
是的 謝謝委員的質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].start |
31983.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].end |
31987.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7600].text |
那勞動檢查確實是這個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].start |
31987.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].end |
31988.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[7601].text |
或是說要落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].start |
31989.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].end |
31991.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7602].text |
我們的勞工法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].start |
31991.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].end |
31994.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7603].text |
或是勞工人權保障的最後一道防線 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].start |
31994.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].end |
31996.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7604].text |
那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].start |
31996.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].end |
32000.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7605].text |
世界上各國對於勞動檢查權的行使 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].start |
32000.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].end |
32002.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7606].text |
都是非常慎重的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].start |
32002.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].end |
32004.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7607].text |
因為大家可以可想而知 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].start |
32004.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].end |
32006.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7608].text |
勞檢機構事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].start |
32006.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].end |
32009.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7609].text |
他可以直接的進入 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].start |
32009.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].end |
32011.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7610].text |
一般的私人企業進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].start |
32011.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].end |
32013.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7611].text |
要求進行勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].start |
32013.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].end |
32015.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7612].text |
我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].start |
32015.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].end |
32018.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7613].text |
類似一種準司法權這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].start |
32018.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].end |
32019.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7614].text |
所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].start |
32019.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].end |
32021.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7615].text |
依照這個國際公約勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].start |
32021.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].end |
32025.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7616].text |
基本上都是隸屬於中央政府機構的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].start |
32025.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].end |
32028.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7617].text |
像我們鄰近的日本的勞動檢查權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].start |
32028.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].end |
32032.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7618].text |
完全由他們中央的勞檢署在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].start |
32032.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].end |
32034.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7619].text |
然後各地方分署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].start |
32034.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].end |
32036.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7620].text |
他是完全由中央的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].start |
32036.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].end |
32038.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7621].text |
那但是台灣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].start |
32038.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].end |
32040.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7622].text |
因為歷史上的特別因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].start |
32040.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].end |
32041.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7623].text |
我們台灣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].start |
32041.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].end |
32043.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7624].text |
依照勞動檢查法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].start |
32043.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].end |
32046.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7625].text |
我們是中央授權給 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].start |
32046.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].end |
32048.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7626].text |
目前的直轄市 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].start |
32048.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].end |
32050.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7627].text |
還有一些像經濟部、國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].start |
32050.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].end |
32052.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7628].text |
還有甚至代檢機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].start |
32052.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].end |
32053.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7629].text |
這樣子一個方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].start |
32053.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].end |
32054.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7630].text |
等於是授權出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].start |
32054.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].end |
32056.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7631].text |
那授權出去的以後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].start |
32056.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].end |
32060.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7632].text |
我覺得這會產生一個很大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].start |
32060.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].end |
32063.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7633].text |
就是說這一些授權出去的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].start |
32063.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].end |
32067.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7634].text |
到底有沒有秉公來處理這一些勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].start |
32067.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].end |
32070.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7635].text |
會不會有濫用的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].start |
32070.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].end |
32071.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7636].text |
我知道前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].start |
32071.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].end |
32073.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7637].text |
應該前幾天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].start |
32073.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].end |
32075.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7638].text |
才發生那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].start |
32075.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].end |
32078.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7639].text |
桃園市的勞檢員的一些相關的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].start |
32078.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].end |
32081.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7640].text |
後來這些勞檢員被解職 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].start |
32081.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].end |
32083.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7641].text |
所以呢從這邊可以看出來就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].start |
32083.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].end |
32087.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7642].text |
這個中央他把勞檢權授權出去 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].start |
32087.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].end |
32089.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7643].text |
還有就是像經濟部、國科會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].start |
32089.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].end |
32091.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7644].text |
他到底有沒有好好落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].start |
32091.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].end |
32093.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7645].text |
我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].start |
32093.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].end |
32096.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7646].text |
這個勞動部在這個授權出去以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].start |
32096.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].end |
32098.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7647].text |
有沒有事後的考核追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].start |
32098.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].end |
32100.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7648].text |
然後讓這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].start |
32100.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].end |
32102.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7649].text |
這個授權出去的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].start |
32102.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].end |
32104.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7650].text |
有沒有好好落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].start |
32104.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].end |
32105.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7651].text |
這個勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].start |
32105.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].end |
32107.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7652].text |
我覺得這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].start |
32107.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].end |
32109.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7653].text |
必須要這個處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].start |
32109.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].end |
32112.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7654].text |
而且也是過去勞動部比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].start |
32112.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].end |
32116.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7655].text |
這個缺乏這個關注的這個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].start |
32116.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].end |
32118.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7656].text |
這相關的勞動檢查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].start |
32118.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].end |
32120.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7657].text |
對於勞工基本安全的保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].start |
32120.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].end |
32123.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7658].text |
是一個最重要的一個基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].start |
32123.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].end |
32125.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7659].text |
那在目前的實行之上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].start |
32125.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].end |
32129.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7660].text |
還有很多的面向必須要給予落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].start |
32129.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].end |
32131.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7661].text |
以及完全的一個完善 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].start |
32131.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].end |
32134.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7662].text |
那另外對於我們之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].start |
32134.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].end |
32139.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7663].text |
立法院通過的勞工職業災害及保險保護法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].start |
32139.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].end |
32141.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7664].text |
那根據這樣一個法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].start |
32141.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].end |
32144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7665].text |
我們針對勞工的這種職業災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].start |
32144.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].end |
32146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7666].text |
有基本的一個規範跟保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].start |
32146.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].end |
32153.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[7667].text |
那也成立了職業災害的相關的預防及重建中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].start |
32156.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].end |
32158.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7668].text |
它當然也包含職災的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].start |
32158.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].end |
32160.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7669].text |
也包含職業的重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].start |
32160.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].end |
32162.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7670].text |
以及受傷之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].start |
32162.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].end |
32165.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7671].text |
職災之後的社會重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].start |
32165.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].end |
32170.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7672].text |
那你認為在目前這個職災的預防及重建中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].start |
32170.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].end |
32173.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7673].text |
它的功能有沒有落實你的觀察呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].start |
32173.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].end |
32176.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7674].text |
是的那個災保法立法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].start |
32176.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].end |
32181.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7675].text |
我覺得一個非常重要就是成立這一個重建中心這個法人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].start |
32181.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].end |
32183.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7676].text |
因為它是用行政法人處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].start |
32183.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].end |
32186.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[7677].text |
所以它的人事的運用就比較彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].start |
32187.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].end |
32189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7678].text |
不受這個公務機關的限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].start |
32189.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].end |
32193.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7679].text |
我覺得這是一個比較進步彈性的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].start |
32193.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].end |
32194.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7680].text |
那但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].start |
32194.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].end |
32198.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7681].text |
從災保法實施以後到現在這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].start |
32198.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].end |
32200.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7682].text |
重建預防及重建中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].start |
32200.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].end |
32206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7683].text |
到底有沒有跟這個災保做密切的扣合 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].start |
32206.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].end |
32207.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7684].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].start |
32207.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].end |
32209.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7685].text |
來對於職災的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].start |
32209.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].end |
32212.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7686].text |
他的重返職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].start |
32212.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].end |
32214.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7687].text |
我覺得那個職業災害發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].start |
32214.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].end |
32219.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7688].text |
其實最重要的並不是這個所謂的精神上的補償 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].start |
32219.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].end |
32220.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7689].text |
我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].start |
32220.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].end |
32225.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7690].text |
最重要就是說怎麼樣讓他這個職業的重建 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].start |
32225.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].end |
32227.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7691].text |
職業能力的重建、復建 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].start |
32227.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].end |
32229.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7692].text |
然後再重返職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].start |
32229.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].end |
32231.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7693].text |
然後另外呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].start |
32231.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].end |
32233.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7694].text |
在這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].start |
32233.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].end |
32235.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7695].text |
因為了解這個職災發生的原因以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].start |
32235.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].end |
32239.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7696].text |
是不是可以協助企業來預防那個職災的再度發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].start |
32239.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].end |
32243.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7697].text |
我覺得這個都是當時災保法立法通過以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].start |
32243.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].end |
32247.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7698].text |
賦予這個我們這個法人的一個重要的一個任務 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].start |
32247.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].end |
32249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7699].text |
那我覺得在這幾年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].start |
32249.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].end |
32251.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7700].text |
到底有沒有辦法落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].start |
32251.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].end |
32253.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7701].text |
有沒有落實這個東西我想是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].start |
32253.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].end |
32255.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7702].text |
大家都非常關心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].start |
32255.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].end |
32260.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7703].text |
如果未來如果擔任這個監察委員跟人權委員的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].start |
32260.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].end |
32262.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7704].text |
一定會針對這一個他的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].start |
32262.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].end |
32264.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7705].text |
有沒有落實呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].start |
32264.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].end |
32266.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[7706].text |
來更追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].start |
32266.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].end |
32268.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[7707].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].start |
32267.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].end |
32268.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7708].text |
被提名的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].start |
32268.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].end |
32270.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7709].text |
過去我們台灣的社會大眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].start |
32270.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].end |
32272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7710].text |
關心的勞工議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].start |
32272.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].end |
32274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7711].text |
不管是勞保、勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].start |
32274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].end |
32276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7712].text |
或是職業災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].start |
32276.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].end |
32280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7713].text |
或是相關的這樣的一個勞工權利的種種的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].start |
32280.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].end |
32284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7714].text |
但是強迫勞動的這樣的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].start |
32284.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].end |
32287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7715].text |
是大家比較不熟悉的一個面向 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].start |
32287.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].end |
32289.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7716].text |
那根據國際勞工組織 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].start |
32289.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].end |
32291.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7717].text |
就是針對強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].start |
32291.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].end |
32293.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7718].text |
他的定義就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].start |
32293.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].end |
32295.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7719].text |
你在非自願的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].start |
32295.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].end |
32299.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7720].text |
以及受到懲罰的威脅狀況之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].start |
32299.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].end |
32302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7721].text |
所實施的服務或者是工作 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].start |
32302.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].end |
32304.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7722].text |
都是屬於強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].start |
32304.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].end |
32307.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7723].text |
台灣在過去也碰到強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].start |
32307.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].end |
32310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7724].text |
受到國際注意的這樣一個狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].start |
32310.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].end |
32313.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7725].text |
去年九月我們有一個自行車廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].start |
32313.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].end |
32315.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7726].text |
他的自行車跟他的零配件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].start |
32315.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].end |
32321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7727].text |
就因為涉及相關的這樣的一個強迫勞動的範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].start |
32321.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].end |
32323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7728].text |
所以受到美國海關 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].start |
32323.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].end |
32326.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7729].text |
受到海關的這樣一個扣留 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].start |
32326.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].end |
32329.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7730].text |
另外遠洋漁業也是一個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].start |
32329.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].end |
32333.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7731].text |
我們在2020年2022年2024年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].start |
32333.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].end |
32339.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7732].text |
三次被美國勞動部列為強迫勞動的名單 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].start |
32340.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].end |
32343.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7733].text |
這個強迫勞動也關係到人權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].start |
32343.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].end |
32347.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7734].text |
也關係到我們勞工的這樣的一個勞工權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].start |
32347.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].end |
32351.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[7735].text |
以及對外貿易的一個重要的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].start |
32351.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].end |
32351.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[7736].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].start |
32352.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].end |
32355.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7737].text |
針對我們的強迫勞動這樣的一個議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].start |
32355.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].end |
32357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7738].text |
要如何跟國際接軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].start |
32357.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].end |
32359.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7739].text |
我不曉得被提名人了不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].start |
32359.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].end |
32363.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7740].text |
是的我覺得這是一個當前非常重要議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].start |
32363.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].end |
32369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7741].text |
因為上個月我們才美國的3011的強迫勞動的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].start |
32369.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].end |
32375.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7742].text |
那我們因為針對這個強迫勞動做了一些比較好的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].start |
32375.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].end |
32376.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7743].text |
強迫勞動禁止做比較好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].start |
32376.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].end |
32379.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7744].text |
所以我們得到百分之十不疊加 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].start |
32379.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].end |
32381.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7745].text |
所以我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].start |
32381.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].end |
32382.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7746].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].start |
32382.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].end |
32383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7747].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].start |
32383.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].end |
32384.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7748].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].start |
32384.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].end |
32385.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7749].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].start |
32385.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].end |
32386.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7750].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].start |
32386.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].end |
32387.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7751].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].start |
32387.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].end |
32388.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7752].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].start |
32388.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].end |
32389.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7753].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].start |
32389.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].end |
32390.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7754].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].start |
32390.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].end |
32391.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7755].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].start |
32391.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].end |
32392.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7756].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].start |
32392.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].end |
32393.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7757].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].start |
32393.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].end |
32394.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7758].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].start |
32394.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].end |
32395.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7759].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].start |
32395.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].end |
32396.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7760].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].start |
32396.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].end |
32397.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7761].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].start |
32397.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].end |
32398.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7762].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].start |
32398.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].end |
32399.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7763].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].start |
32399.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].end |
32400.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7764].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].start |
32400.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].end |
32401.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7765].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].start |
32401.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].end |
32402.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7766].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].start |
32402.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].end |
32403.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7767].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].start |
32403.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].end |
32404.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7768].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].start |
32404.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].end |
32405.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7769].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].start |
32405.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].end |
32406.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7770].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].start |
32406.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].end |
32407.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7771].text |
我們是在這個情況下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].start |
32407.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].end |
32409.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7772].text |
剛剛委員提到的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].start |
32409.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].end |
32410.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7773].text |
自行車的一個大廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].start |
32410.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].end |
32411.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7774].text |
他被扣除強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].start |
32411.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].end |
32413.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7775].text |
不過我覺得這是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].start |
32413.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].end |
32414.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7776].text |
我們的法制面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].start |
32414.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].end |
32417.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7777].text |
跟國際的強迫勞動標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].start |
32417.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].end |
32419.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7778].text |
有非常大的落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].start |
32419.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].end |
32421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7779].text |
造成這一家廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].start |
32421.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].end |
32422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7780].text |
他引進移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].start |
32422.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].end |
32424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7781].text |
事實上完全都是在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].start |
32424.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].end |
32425.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7782].text |
合法的狀態之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].start |
32425.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].end |
32428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7783].text |
而且合法的使用這些移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].start |
32428.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].end |
32431.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7784].text |
但是也一樣被國外 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].start |
32431.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].end |
32433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7785].text |
被認定是強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].start |
32433.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].end |
32434.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7786].text |
所以我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].start |
32434.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].end |
32436.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7787].text |
這個就會變成就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].start |
32436.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].end |
32439.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7788].text |
我們既有的這個勞基法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].start |
32439.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].end |
32440.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7789].text |
有關強迫勞動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].start |
32440.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].end |
32442.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7790].text |
只有第五條的一個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].start |
32442.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].end |
32444.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7791].text |
那第五條的這個規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].start |
32444.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].end |
32446.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7792].text |
事實上是1984年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].start |
32446.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].end |
32449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7793].text |
勞基法立法的時候的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].start |
32449.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].end |
32451.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7794].text |
那大家知道當時1984年 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].start |
32451.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].end |
32454.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7795].text |
台灣還沒有引進半個外籍移工 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].start |
32454.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].end |
32457.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7796].text |
那台灣現在外籍移工這麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].start |
32457.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].end |
32461.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7797].text |
而且在國外整個國際上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].start |
32461.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].end |
32464.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7798].text |
國際貿易對強迫勞動的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].start |
32464.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].end |
32466.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7799].text |
不管是歐盟還是美國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].start |
32466.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].end |
32468.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7800].text |
都已經高度重視之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].start |
32468.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].end |
32470.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7801].text |
我覺得我們應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].start |
32470.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].end |
32472.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7802].text |
在國內的法治上 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].start |
32472.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].end |
32475.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7803].text |
就應該做趕快的一個修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].start |
32475.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].end |
32478.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7804].text |
才不會讓我們台灣的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].start |
32478.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].end |
32480.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7805].text |
事實上他在 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].start |
32480.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].end |
32483.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7806].text |
他會宣稱說完全合法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].start |
32483.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].end |
32484.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7807].text |
守法的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].start |
32484.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].end |
32487.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7808].text |
我還是受到國際貿易的制裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].start |
32487.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].end |
32489.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7809].text |
特別是這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].start |
32489.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].end |
32491.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7810].text |
剛才委員說的聯合國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].start |
32491.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].end |
32493.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7811].text |
在2014年的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].start |
32493.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].end |
32496.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7812].text |
通過有關11項的強迫勞動的指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].start |
32496.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].end |
32499.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7813].text |
那我們是不是這一個相關的法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].start |
32499.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].end |
32503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7814].text |
要參考這個11項的指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].start |
32503.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].end |
32506.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7815].text |
然後讓這一個我們的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].start |
32506.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].end |
32508.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7816].text |
能夠有比較多的法尊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].start |
32508.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].end |
32510.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7817].text |
讓他們了解這個國際趨勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].start |
32510.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].end |
32513.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7818].text |
我覺得這是一個當務之急 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].start |
32513.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].end |
32514.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7819].text |
好 那也希望被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].start |
32514.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].end |
32517.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7820].text |
在未來如果有擔任監委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].start |
32517.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].end |
32518.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7821].text |
或是人權委員的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].start |
32518.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].end |
32520.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7822].text |
針對勞工的相關權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].start |
32520.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].end |
32521.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7823].text |
相關權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].start |
32521.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].end |
32523.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7824].text |
不管是勞保 勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].start |
32523.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].end |
32524.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7825].text |
以及相關的權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].start |
32524.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].end |
32527.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7826].text |
必須要全力的給予支持跟推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].start |
32528.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].end |
32529.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[7827].text |
好 謝謝李委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].start |
32530.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].end |
32533.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[7828].text |
下一位請王玉明委員詢問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].start |
32544.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].end |
32546.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[7829].text |
謝謝主席 我們有請提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].start |
32547.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].end |
32549.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[7830].text |
請被提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].start |
32558 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].end |
32559 |
| transcript.whisperx[7831].text |
提名人你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].start |
32559 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].end |
32563 |
| transcript.whisperx[7832].text |
我想這個雖然你是勞權的背景 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].start |
32563 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].end |
32565 |
| transcript.whisperx[7833].text |
但是民眾關心的一些議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].start |
32565 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].end |
32567 |
| transcript.whisperx[7834].text |
作為一個監察委員的提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].start |
32567 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].end |
32569 |
| transcript.whisperx[7835].text |
也應該都要同等的關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].start |
32569 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].end |
32571 |
| transcript.whisperx[7836].text |
所以首先我就要就教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].start |
32571 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].end |
32574 |
| transcript.whisperx[7837].text |
有關於最近的這個死案事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].start |
32574 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].end |
32576 |
| transcript.whisperx[7838].text |
我想這個終點有指案 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].start |
32576 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].end |
32580 |
| transcript.whisperx[7839].text |
從6月30號爆發以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].start |
32580 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].end |
32583 |
| transcript.whisperx[7840].text |
到現在其實已經超過一個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].start |
32583 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].end |
32585 |
| transcript.whisperx[7841].text |
但是這一個月以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].start |
32585 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].end |
32588 |
| transcript.whisperx[7842].text |
我們一直在立法院去追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].start |
32588 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].end |
32592 |
| transcript.whisperx[7843].text |
這個到底真正發生的原因是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].start |
32592 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].end |
32596 |
| transcript.whisperx[7844].text |
但是衛福部給了一個非常簡要的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].start |
32596 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].end |
32598 |
| transcript.whisperx[7845].text |
他說有這個原有的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].start |
32598 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].end |
32600 |
| transcript.whisperx[7846].text |
有製程的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].start |
32600 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].end |
32601 |
| transcript.whisperx[7847].text |
有講跟沒講一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].start |
32601 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].end |
32603 |
| transcript.whisperx[7848].text |
把所有的原因都講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].start |
32603 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].end |
32605 |
| transcript.whisperx[7849].text |
但是沒有確切的一個調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].start |
32605 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].end |
32609 |
| transcript.whisperx[7850].text |
甚至他的報告公布完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].start |
32609 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].end |
32611 |
| transcript.whisperx[7851].text |
被發現還有一批漏掉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].start |
32611 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].end |
32614 |
| transcript.whisperx[7852].text |
而且已經銷往韓國 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].start |
32614 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].end |
32617 |
| transcript.whisperx[7853].text |
所以這整個行政單位的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].start |
32617 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].end |
32620 |
| transcript.whisperx[7854].text |
一個是調查其實沒有確實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].start |
32620 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].end |
32622 |
| transcript.whisperx[7855].text |
然後就對外公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].start |
32622 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].end |
32623 |
| transcript.whisperx[7856].text |
還有漏網之魚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].start |
32623 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].end |
32627 |
| transcript.whisperx[7857].text |
第二個是他們的開會的會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].start |
32628.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].end |
32630.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7858].text |
最關鍵的7月4號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].start |
32630.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].end |
32633.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7859].text |
在會議當中去決定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].start |
32633.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].end |
32637.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7860].text |
這個含有問題有品20%以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].start |
32637.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].end |
32638.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[7861].text |
不用下架 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].start |
32639.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].end |
32642.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7862].text |
那這樣的一個決議做出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].start |
32642.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].end |
32643.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7863].text |
外面都在追問 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].start |
32643.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].end |
32645.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[7864].text |
這樣的一個會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].start |
32646.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].end |
32648.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7865].text |
為什麼不能公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].start |
32648.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].end |
32650.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7866].text |
而所有的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].start |
32650.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].end |
32656.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7867].text |
都用ABCDEF整個代碼去掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].start |
32656.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].end |
32658.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7868].text |
外界號稱為蓋牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].start |
32658.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].end |
32660.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7869].text |
7月4號開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].start |
32660.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].end |
32663.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7870].text |
一直到立法院7月不捨的追查之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].start |
32663.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].end |
32665.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7871].text |
8月5號 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].start |
32665.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].end |
32670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7872].text |
整整一個月才願意對外公開會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].start |
32670.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].end |
32672.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[7873].text |
而這個會議紀錄一公開之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].start |
32673.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].end |
32676.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7874].text |
赫然被發現其中有一位專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].start |
32676.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].end |
32680.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7875].text |
朱彥華今天媒體直接爆出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].start |
32680.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].end |
32683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7876].text |
這位專家學者出席關鍵的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].start |
32683.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].end |
32685.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7877].text |
7月4號的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].start |
32685.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].end |
32687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7878].text |
但是他竟然被發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].start |
32687.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].end |
32690.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7879].text |
跟現在涉案的中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].start |
32690.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].end |
32693.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7880].text |
他其實有進到他的場去查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].start |
32693.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].end |
32694.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7881].text |
而且跟他們參序 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].start |
32694.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].end |
32696.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7882].text |
當天是同一天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].start |
32696.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].end |
32699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7883].text |
跟著中聯的總經理跟廠長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].start |
32699.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].end |
32701.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7884].text |
一起來台北開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].start |
32701.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].end |
32702.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[7885].text |
關係密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].start |
32703.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].end |
32706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7886].text |
我現在就要就教我們的提名人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].start |
32706.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].end |
32707.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[7887].text |
第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].start |
32707.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].end |
32712.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7888].text |
這個行政單位所邀請的專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].start |
32712.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].end |
32715.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7889].text |
跟廠商關係密切 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].start |
32715.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].end |
32717.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7890].text |
可以一起參序 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].start |
32717.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].end |
32718.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7891].text |
同車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].start |
32718.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].end |
32720.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7892].text |
然後共同出席會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].start |
32720.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].end |
32723.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7893].text |
請問他知道整個衛福部有沒有把關 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].start |
32723.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].end |
32727.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7894].text |
有沒有做到去篩選這個專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].start |
32727.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].end |
32729.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7895].text |
做到利益迴避的原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].start |
32729.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].end |
32731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7896].text |
如果這個專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].start |
32731.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].end |
32735.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7897].text |
他沒有這個跟這個有關聯的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].start |
32735.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].end |
32736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7898].text |
利益迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].start |
32736.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].end |
32738.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7899].text |
甚至他還在會議上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].start |
32738.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].end |
32741.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7900].text |
就是積極主張20%以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].start |
32741.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].end |
32743.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7901].text |
還有問題有品的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[7902].start |
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不用下架主導風向 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7903].text |
你個人怎麼看待這樣的事情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[7904].end |
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因為監察員的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[7905].start |
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是做行政上的一個糾正 |
| transcript.whisperx[7906].start |
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是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7907].end |
32755.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7907].text |
那我就問你沒有利益迴避這件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[7908].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7908].end |
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我是覺得如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7909].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7909].text |
因為這個專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7910].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7910].end |
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應該不是行政官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7911].start |
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但是如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].start |
32761.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].end |
32763.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7912].text |
我問你是衛福部的職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[7913].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7913].end |
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對 那我說如果這個衛福部 |
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他沒有來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7915].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7915].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7915].text |
不管是提醒還是事後再開會的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[7916].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7916].end |
32773.56 |
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來做這種利益糾葛的一個揭露的話迴避 |
| transcript.whisperx[7917].start |
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我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].start |
32774.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].end |
32778.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7918].text |
那衛福部的角色就必須要受到質疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].start |
32778.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7919].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7919].text |
那如果說委員所說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].start |
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32782.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7920].text |
這個專家學者 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].start |
32782.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7921].end |
32786.56 |
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他事實上跟中聯的高層的這種開餐敘啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[7922].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7922].text |
這個同車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7923].end |
32791.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7923].text |
到底跟這個後續審查中聯這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7924].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7924].end |
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就那個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].start |
32792.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].end |
32796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7925].text |
他事實上是有沒有一個關聯性因果性 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].start |
32796.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7926].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7926].text |
我覺得也要來調查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[7927].start |
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因為如果說他已經是之前很久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7928].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7928].text |
那是這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].start |
32803.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].end |
32805.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7929].text |
沒有就是當天同車上台北開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].start |
32805.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].end |
32807.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7930].text |
就開這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].start |
32807.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].end |
32808.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7931].text |
你覺得這樣妥適嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].start |
32808.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].end |
32810.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7932].text |
對 如果是當天 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7933].end |
32812.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7933].text |
那我不知道那個同車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].start |
32812.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].end |
32816.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7934].text |
到底這個是不是搭便車還是怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].start |
32816.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].end |
32817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7935].text |
不過我覺得呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].start |
32817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].end |
32819.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7936].text |
如果是企業提供的車 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].start |
32819.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].end |
32820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7937].text |
那我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].start |
32820.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].end |
32822.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7938].text |
然後在車子裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].start |
32822.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].end |
32825.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7939].text |
只有中聯跟這個學者專家的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].start |
32825.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].end |
32827.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7940].text |
那我覺得就不太適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].start |
32827.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].end |
32829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7941].text |
就覺得不太適當 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].start |
32829.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].end |
32831.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7942].text |
那如果說在會議當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].start |
32831.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].end |
32835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7943].text |
如果這個食藥署這邊沒有做到這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].start |
32835.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].end |
32839.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7944].text |
提醒這些學者專家要做相關的利益迴避的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].start |
32839.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].end |
32841.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7945].text |
那我覺得這個就有行政上的一個屬實 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].start |
32841.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].end |
32843.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7946].text |
好 所以你會覺得食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].start |
32843.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].end |
32846.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7947].text |
如果沒有積極把關這些專家學者資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].start |
32846.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].end |
32847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7948].text |
跟廠商的關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].start |
32847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].end |
32851.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7949].text |
而且讓他進入到這麼一個決定性關鍵的專家會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].start |
32851.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].end |
32853.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7950].text |
那食藥署是不是失職 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].start |
32853.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].end |
32855.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7951].text |
對 這個我覺得這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].start |
32855.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].end |
32856.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7952].text |
確實這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].start |
32856.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].end |
32858.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7953].text |
這樣如果按照這樣子的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].start |
32858.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].end |
32860.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7954].text |
我覺得是引起社會大眾非常大的疑慮的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].start |
32860.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].end |
32862.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7955].text |
對 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].start |
32862.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].end |
32863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7956].text |
那第二個我要問的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].start |
32863.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].end |
32866.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7957].text |
這麼關鍵的一個會議的會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].start |
32866.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].end |
32868.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7958].text |
7月4號召開 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].start |
32868.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].end |
32871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7959].text |
立法院一直詢問追查 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].start |
32871.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].end |
32872.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7960].text |
但是都不提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].start |
32872.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].end |
32876.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7961].text |
到8月5號是因為媒體已經揭露了 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].start |
32876.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].end |
32877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7962].text |
揭露部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].start |
32877.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].end |
32880.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7963].text |
所以他們應該是紙包不住火 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].start |
32880.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].end |
32882.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7964].text |
才被迫提供出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].start |
32882.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].end |
32887.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7965].text |
一個行政單位我們講求政府應該是公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].start |
32887.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].end |
32889.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7966].text |
這一些專家學者的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].start |
32889.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].end |
32892.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7967].text |
如果每一個人的發言都是秉持 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].start |
32892.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].end |
32894.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7968].text |
為了國人的食安 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].start |
32894.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].end |
32896.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7969].text |
應該可受公平 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].start |
32896.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].end |
32898.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7970].text |
也應該拿出來被解釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].start |
32898.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].end |
32901.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7971].text |
我記得這個後來政府都一直強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].start |
32901.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].end |
32904.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7972].text |
我們所有的這些會議紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].start |
32904.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].end |
32906.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7973].text |
都一定會上網 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].start |
32906.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].end |
32908.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7974].text |
而且就是希望公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].start |
32908.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].end |
32910.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7975].text |
可受公平 接受監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].start |
32910.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].end |
32912.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7976].text |
結果衛福部這個會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].start |
32912.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].end |
32915.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7977].text |
遮遮掩掩了一個月之後才公布 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].start |
32915.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].end |
32918.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7978].text |
你作為一個監察委員的提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].start |
32918.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].end |
32921.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7979].text |
你針對行政機關有開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].start |
32921.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].end |
32923.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7980].text |
而且是關鍵性的會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].start |
32923.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].end |
32925.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7981].text |
但選擇不揭露 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].start |
32925.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].end |
32926.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7982].text |
這樣的一個行政權 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].start |
32926.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].end |
32928.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7983].text |
不受立法院的監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].start |
32928.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].end |
32930.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7984].text |
作為一個監察院的提名人 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].start |
32930.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].end |
32932.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7985].text |
你認為這樣子合適嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].start |
32932.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].end |
32934.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[7986].text |
對的 監察委員他 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].start |
32935.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].end |
32937.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7987].text |
事實上我認為監察委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].start |
32937.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7988].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7988].text |
他就是一個行政的檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].start |
32939.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7989].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[7989].text |
就是說對於行政部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[7990].end |
32945.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7990].text |
如果有失職違法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].start |
32945.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].end |
32948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7991].text |
那他就等於是經過調查以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].start |
32948.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].end |
32952.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7992].text |
然後提出糾舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].start |
32952.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].end |
32954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7993].text |
然後送給懲戒法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].start |
32954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].end |
32956.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7994].text |
由懲戒法院再來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].start |
32956.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].end |
32959.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7995].text |
所以我認為他有點像行政檢察官的角色 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].start |
32959.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].end |
32961.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7996].text |
所以行政單位不公開會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].start |
32961.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].end |
32962.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7997].text |
以及有這個做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].start |
32962.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].end |
32964.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7998].text |
你覺得需要被糾正嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].start |
32964.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].end |
32966.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[7999].text |
對 我覺得他如果立案調查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].start |
32966.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].end |
32969.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8000].text |
那就應該監察委員就要透過調查權 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].start |
32969.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].end |
32971.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8001].text |
來把這些證據收集清楚以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].start |
32971.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].end |
32975.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8002].text |
如果這個官員確實有違法的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].start |
32975.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].end |
32979.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8003].text |
那我們當然就是要送這個懲戒法院來做處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].start |
32979.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].end |
32982.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8004].text |
好 那另外一個我想請教的 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].start |
32982.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].end |
32985.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8005].text |
其實不只是現在大豆有出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].start |
32985.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].end |
32988.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8006].text |
這個苦茶油到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].start |
32988.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].end |
32991.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[8007].text |
已經有七家廠商驗出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[8008].start |
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他的本田品通通都是超標的 |
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那所以油品的問題不只大豆有出問題 |
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苦茶油也出問題 |
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那苦茶油跟大豆油 |
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都有包含邊境進來的巴西黃豆 |
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或者是中國大陸進來的苦茶油漬 |
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所以他已經是從這個邊境的把關 |
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源頭的上游就已經出問題 |
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但是我們的衛福部食藥署 |
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每一年的經費都是在增加的 |
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現在一年多的經費已經高達九十億了 |
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在這樣的情況底下 |
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你認為接連出現油品事件 |
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作為主管食安的食藥署 |
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它是不是源頭把關不力 |
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對於一個監察院的提名人來講 |
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你如果看到這樣的一個現象 |
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會不會主動去立案調查 |
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去了解到底是哪一個緩解 |
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行政哪一個緩解出問題 |
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預算也給了 |
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但是為什麼我們的食安還接連出包 |
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我們的食安五環破功 |
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到底行政單位他在一些積極的 |
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這個源頭把關 |
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還有他的行政處理上面 |
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到底哪些利有未待 |
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需要行政院要進一步去糾正他們的 |
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你覺得你作為一個監察院提名人 |
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你敢去立案調查嗎 |
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我覺得這個案件造成 |
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目前台灣民眾非常大的一個恐慌 |
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我覺得行政單位確實需要來具體說明 |
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我覺得有違法的確實是當然 |
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這個監察委員一定要來調查 |
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這樣子的這個過程當中 |
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到底行政官員有沒有疏失 |
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甚至我們的制度面法律面 |
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有沒有需要要改的地方 |
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我覺得應該監察院本來就是要反映民意 |
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透過很多民眾的懲情 |
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對於這個行政部門有這個缺失的提出調查 |
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然後來糾正這個問題 |
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我覺得也是一種 |
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等於是要去阻民眾的一個疑慮的這個 |
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那我告訴提名人 |
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這個案子從這個六月底爆發 |
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可能第六屆的監委覺得他即將要畢業了 |
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都沒有人主動立案 |
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也沒有想要再去管了 |
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所以這件事情是沒有人立案調查的 |
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那我們來看一下第六屆監察院 |
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他行使職權 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8061].end |
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他相較於過去其實是呈現一個整個全面 |
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負成長的趨勢 |
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包括彈劾案件數下降了18.2% |
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| transcript.whisperx[8064].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[8064].text |
然後報告案下降了18.7% |
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| transcript.whisperx[8065].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[8065].text |
河派調查數下降了15.73% |
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| transcript.whisperx[8066].end |
33150.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[8066].text |
糾正案下降了7.6% |
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所以最近為什麼廢除監察院的呼聲再起 |
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是因為監察院他功能不彰表現不佳 |
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所以我只能說你們這些被提名人 |
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有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[8071].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[8071].text |
監察院的行政部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8072].text |
打擊你 |
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所以不在監察院的行政部長上面 |
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這個要不要大家去跟監察院吃飯 |
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好 謝謝王委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8076].text |
報告全院委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8077].end |
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對監察委員被提名人張豐益詢答部分到此為止 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8078].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[8078].text |
謝謝張被提名人列席答詢 |
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8月13日星期日上午9時繼續開會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8080].end |
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審查監察委員被提名人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8081].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[8081].text |
林慧芳 孫立信 李立芬 陳景俊 彭少景 葉怡君 |
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| transcript.whisperx[8082].text |
資格相關事宜 |
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現在休息 |