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完整會議 @ 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第25次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:04,000 | 00:00:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:06,000 | 00:00:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:08,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
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| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
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| 00:24:48,000 | 00:24:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:24:50,000 | 00:24:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:24:52,000 | 00:24:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:24:54,000 | 00:24:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:24:56,000 | 00:24:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:24:58,000 | 00:25:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:00,000 | 00:25:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:02,000 | 00:25:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:04,000 | 00:25:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:06,000 | 00:25:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:08,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:12,000 | 00:25:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:14,000 | 00:25:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:16,000 | 00:25:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:18,000 | 00:25:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:20,000 | 00:25:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:22,000 | 00:25:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:24,000 | 00:25:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:26,000 | 00:25:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:28,000 | 00:25:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:30,000 | 00:25:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:32,000 | 00:25:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:34,000 | 00:25:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:36,000 | 00:25:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:38,000 | 00:25:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:40,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:44,000 | 00:25:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:46,000 | 00:25:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:48,000 | 00:25:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:50,000 | 00:25:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:52,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:25:56,000 | 00:25:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:25:58,000 | 00:26:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:00,000 | 00:26:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:02,000 | 00:26:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:04,000 | 00:26:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:06,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:10,000 | 00:26:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:12,000 | 00:26:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:14,000 | 00:26:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:16,000 | 00:26:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:18,000 | 00:26:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:20,000 | 00:26:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:22,000 | 00:26:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:24,000 | 00:26:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:26,000 | 00:26:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:28,000 | 00:26:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:30,000 | 00:26:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:32,000 | 00:26:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:34,000 | 00:26:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:36,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:38,000 | 00:26:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:40,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:46,000 | 00:26:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:48,000 | 00:26:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:50,000 | 00:26:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:52,000 | 00:26:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:54,000 | 00:26:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:26:56,000 | 00:26:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:26:58,000 | 00:27:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:00,000 | 00:27:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:04,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:06,000 | 00:27:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:10,000 | 00:27:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:12,000 | 00:27:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:14,000 | 00:27:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:16,000 | 00:27:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:18,000 | 00:27:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:20,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:22,000 | 00:27:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:24,000 | 00:27:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:26,000 | 00:27:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:28,000 | 00:27:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:30,000 | 00:27:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:32,000 | 00:27:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:34,000 | 00:27:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:36,000 | 00:27:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:38,000 | 00:27:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:40,000 | 00:27:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:42,000 | 00:27:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:44,000 | 00:27:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:46,000 | 00:27:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:48,000 | 00:27:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:50,000 | 00:27:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:52,000 | 00:27:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:54,000 | 00:27:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:27:56,000 | 00:27:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:27:58,000 | 00:28:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:00,000 | 00:28:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:02,000 | 00:28:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:04,000 | 00:28:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:06,000 | 00:28:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:08,000 | 00:28:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:10,000 | 00:28:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:12,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:14,000 | 00:28:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:16,000 | 00:28:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:18,000 | 00:28:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:20,000 | 00:28:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:22,000 | 00:28:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:24,000 | 00:28:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:26,000 | 00:28:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:28,000 | 00:28:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:30,000 | 00:28:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:32,000 | 00:28:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:34,000 | 00:28:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:36,000 | 00:28:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:38,000 | 00:28:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:40,000 | 00:28:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:42,000 | 00:28:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:44,000 | 00:28:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:46,000 | 00:28:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:48,000 | 00:28:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:50,000 | 00:28:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:52,000 | 00:28:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:54,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:28:58,000 | 00:29:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:00,000 | 00:29:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:02,000 | 00:29:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:04,000 | 00:29:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:06,000 | 00:29:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:08,000 | 00:29:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:10,000 | 00:29:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:12,000 | 00:29:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:14,000 | 00:29:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:16,000 | 00:29:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:18,000 | 00:29:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:20,000 | 00:29:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:22,000 | 00:29:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:24,000 | 00:29:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:26,000 | 00:29:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:28,000 | 00:29:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:30,000 | 00:29:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:32,000 | 00:29:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:34,000 | 00:29:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:36,000 | 00:29:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:38,000 | 00:29:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:40,000 | 00:29:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:42,000 | 00:29:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:44,000 | 00:29:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:46,000 | 00:29:48,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:48,000 | 00:29:50,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:50,000 | 00:29:52,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:52,000 | 00:29:54,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:54,000 | 00:29:56,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:29:56,000 | 00:29:58,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:29:58,000 | 00:30:00,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:00,000 | 00:30:02,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:02,000 | 00:30:04,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:04,000 | 00:30:06,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:06,000 | 00:30:08,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:08,000 | 00:30:10,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:10,000 | 00:30:12,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:12,000 | 00:30:14,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:14,000 | 00:30:16,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:16,000 | 00:30:18,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:18,000 | 00:30:20,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:20,000 | 00:30:22,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:22,000 | 00:30:24,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:24,000 | 00:30:26,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:26,000 | 00:30:28,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:28,000 | 00:30:30,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:30,000 | 00:30:32,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:32,000 | 00:30:34,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:34,000 | 00:30:36,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:36,000 | 00:30:38,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:38,000 | 00:30:40,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:40,000 | 00:30:42,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:42,000 | 00:30:44,000 | 我希望你能夠在我身邊 |
| 00:30:44,000 | 00:30:46,000 | 做到我最愛的事 |
| 00:30:46,000 | 00:30:48,000 | wszystkich式列 recalled |
| 00:30:48,000 | 00:30:51,700 | 主席委員會 出席委員已組法定人數 |
| 00:30:51,700 | 00:30:53,700 | 我們現在開會 |
| 00:30:53,700 | 00:30:55,700 | 首先進行報告 |
| 00:30:55,700 | 00:30:58,900 | 請議事人員宣讀上次會議的議事錄 |
| 00:31:00,900 | 00:31:03,900 | 立法院第十一屆第五會期教育及文化委員會 |
| 00:31:03,900 | 00:31:06,500 | 第二十四次全體委員會議議事錄 |
| 00:31:06,500 | 00:31:08,700 | 時間中華民國一五年七月三十日 |
| 00:31:08,700 | 00:31:11,200 | 上午九十五分至下午三十五十九分 |
| 00:31:11,200 | 00:31:13,700 | 地點本案清新樓101會議室 |
| 00:31:13,700 | 00:31:16,200 | 出席委員吳立華委員等十四人 |
| 00:31:16,400 | 00:31:18,400 | 內席委員劉靖國委員等一人 |
| 00:31:18,400 | 00:31:21,400 | 內席人員運動部部長李洋等人 |
| 00:31:21,400 | 00:31:24,400 | 主席羅昭吉委員庭委報告事項 |
| 00:31:24,400 | 00:31:26,900 | 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定 |
| 00:31:26,900 | 00:31:27,900 | 議事錄確定 |
| 00:31:27,900 | 00:31:29,400 | 討論事項 |
| 00:31:29,400 | 00:31:31,900 | 依繼續審查委員羅庭委員等二十一人 |
| 00:31:31,900 | 00:31:35,400 | 擬具電子競技運動發展基本法草案等兩案 |
| 00:31:35,400 | 00:31:38,900 | 二審查委員廖偉祥等二十人 |
| 00:31:38,900 | 00:31:42,400 | 擬具電子競技運動發展基本法草案等三案 |
| 00:31:42,400 | 00:31:43,400 | 決議 |
| 00:31:43,600 | 00:31:46,100 | 一廣泛討論完畢 |
| 00:31:46,100 | 00:31:49,100 | 二電子競技運動發展基本法相關草案 |
| 00:31:49,100 | 00:31:51,100 | 另定期繼續審查 |
| 00:31:51,100 | 00:31:53,100 | 通過提案兩項宣讀完畢 |
| 00:31:54,100 | 00:31:56,600 | 請問各位委員上次會議議事錄 |
| 00:31:56,600 | 00:31:58,600 | 有無錯誤或遺漏之處 |
| 00:31:59,100 | 00:32:00,600 | 好議事錄確定 |
| 00:32:03,600 | 00:32:06,600 | 本次會議議程是繼續審查 |
| 00:32:06,600 | 00:32:08,600 | 委員范雲等十六人 |
| 00:32:08,600 | 00:32:13,100 | 擬具大學法第七條條文修正草案等十九案 |
| 00:32:13,800 | 00:32:16,300 | 委員羅志強等十八人之提案 |
| 00:32:16,300 | 00:32:18,300 | 因無不附議同意書 |
| 00:32:18,300 | 00:32:19,800 | 故不予審查 |
| 00:32:19,800 | 00:32:22,800 | 繼續審查委員范雲等 |
| 00:32:28,800 | 00:32:33,800 | 那因為今天下午有司馬庫斯的考察議程 |
| 00:32:33,800 | 00:32:36,800 | 會議必須在十一點結束 |
| 00:32:37,800 | 00:32:41,300 | 那首先我們來介紹在場的委員 |
| 00:32:43,800 | 00:32:45,300 | 郭育晴委員 |
| 00:32:48,300 | 00:32:50,300 | 謝謝陳培育委員 |
| 00:32:52,300 | 00:32:54,300 | 有陳秀寶委員 |
| 00:32:55,300 | 00:32:57,300 | 有蔡春筹委員 |
| 00:32:59,300 | 00:33:00,300 | 有 |
| 00:33:01,300 | 00:33:03,300 | 葛如君委員 |
| 00:33:04,300 | 00:33:06,300 | 有羅志強委員 |
| 00:33:06,300 | 00:33:07,300 | 謝謝 |
| 00:33:09,300 | 00:33:12,300 | 那接下來我們來介紹與會的官員 |
| 00:33:13,300 | 00:33:16,300 | 首先是教育部部長鄭英耀正部長 |
| 00:33:19,300 | 00:33:23,300 | 接下來是教育部常務次長朱俊璋朱次長 |
| 00:33:25,300 | 00:33:29,300 | 還有教育部青年發展署陳雪玉署長 |
| 00:33:31,300 | 00:33:34,300 | 以及法務部汪南君參事 |
| 00:33:36,300 | 00:33:39,300 | 其餘列席的機關代表請參閱名單 |
| 00:33:39,300 | 00:33:42,300 | 不再逐一介紹並列入公報紀錄 |
| 00:33:43,300 | 00:33:46,300 | 我們現在進行提案說明 |
| 00:33:46,300 | 00:33:50,300 | 請問是否有委員要做提案說明 |
| 00:33:53,300 | 00:33:54,300 | 好 |
| 00:33:54,300 | 00:33:56,300 | 那君不做提案說明 |
| 00:33:56,300 | 00:33:58,300 | 說明完畢 |
| 00:34:03,300 | 00:34:06,300 | 本案已在第四會期 |
| 00:34:06,300 | 00:34:10,299 | 本會的第十四次全體委員會議 |
| 00:34:10,500 | 00:34:13,500 | 也就是一百一十五年一月八日 |
| 00:34:13,500 | 00:34:14,500 | 詢答完畢 |
| 00:34:14,500 | 00:34:18,500 | 本次新增委員林茜晴等提案 |
| 00:34:18,500 | 00:34:19,500 | 八案 |
| 00:34:19,500 | 00:34:21,500 | 不再進行詢答 |
| 00:34:21,500 | 00:34:24,500 | 並入本次共同審查 |
| 00:34:24,500 | 00:34:27,500 | 那繼續進行逐條審查 |
| 00:34:27,500 | 00:34:30,500 | 請議事人員宣讀提案條文 |
| 00:34:30,500 | 00:34:33,500 | 並進行討論與協商 |
| 00:34:33,500 | 00:34:34,500 | 討論的時候 |
| 00:34:34,500 | 00:34:37,500 | 如果有新增修正動議 |
| 00:34:37,500 | 00:34:39,500 | 請一併宣讀 |
| 00:34:39,699 | 00:34:40,699 | 討論的時候 |
| 00:34:40,699 | 00:34:42,699 | 請參閱教育部提供的 |
| 00:34:42,699 | 00:34:46,699 | 題彙討論版本書面的資料 |
| 00:34:46,699 | 00:34:48,699 | 並列入公報紀錄 |
| 00:34:48,699 | 00:34:50,699 | 好請宣讀 |
| 00:34:51,699 | 00:34:54,699 | 也請機關代表到協商桌 |
| 00:34:56,699 | 00:34:59,700 | 大學討論部分條文修正草案 |
| 00:34:59,700 | 00:35:00,700 | 第五條 |
| 00:35:00,700 | 00:35:02,700 | 委員範疑等提案 |
| 00:35:02,700 | 00:35:03,700 | 第一項 |
| 00:35:03,700 | 00:35:04,700 | 第二行 |
| 00:35:04,700 | 00:35:06,700 | 輔導後甄定 |
| 00:35:06,700 | 00:35:07,700 | 社會責任 |
| 00:35:07,899 | 00:35:10,899 | 教職員工與學生組織運作 |
| 00:35:10,899 | 00:35:11,899 | 及參與情形 |
| 00:35:11,899 | 00:35:13,899 | 教職員工與學生權益保障 |
| 00:35:13,899 | 00:35:15,899 | 以救濟處處理 |
| 00:35:15,899 | 00:35:16,899 | 及違反法律情形 |
| 00:35:16,899 | 00:35:17,899 | 第二項 |
| 00:35:17,899 | 00:35:19,899 | 中斷於定期辦理後 |
| 00:35:19,899 | 00:35:21,899 | 甄定將前項 |
| 00:35:21,899 | 00:35:23,899 | 四項納入之 |
| 00:35:23,899 | 00:35:25,899 | 及默具甄定 |
| 00:35:25,899 | 00:35:26,899 | 並納入教職員工 |
| 00:35:26,899 | 00:35:27,899 | 與學生團體 |
| 00:35:27,899 | 00:35:29,899 | 參與辦法由教育部定制 |
| 00:35:29,899 | 00:35:30,899 | 求一位修正 |
| 00:35:30,899 | 00:35:32,899 | 委員吳思瑤等提案 |
| 00:35:32,899 | 00:35:33,899 | 第一項 |
| 00:35:33,899 | 00:35:34,899 | 第二行 |
| 00:35:34,899 | 00:35:35,899 | 輔導後甄定 |
| 00:35:36,100 | 00:35:38,100 | 社會責任下午行政 |
| 00:35:38,100 | 00:35:39,100 | 校園安全 |
| 00:35:39,100 | 00:35:40,100 | 教職員權益 |
| 00:35:40,100 | 00:35:41,100 | 第二項 |
| 00:35:41,100 | 00:35:43,100 | 中斷於大學評鑑後 |
| 00:35:43,100 | 00:35:45,100 | 甄定處應納入情向 |
| 00:35:45,100 | 00:35:46,100 | 四項 |
| 00:35:46,100 | 00:35:48,100 | 默具甄定 |
| 00:35:48,100 | 00:35:51,100 | 默具於相關評鑑後 |
| 00:35:51,100 | 00:35:52,100 | 甄定類別 |
| 00:35:52,100 | 00:35:53,100 | 實施程序 |
| 00:35:53,100 | 00:35:54,100 | 委員會組成 |
| 00:35:54,100 | 00:35:55,100 | 及其他應申行 |
| 00:35:55,100 | 00:35:56,100 | 四項之犯法 |
| 00:35:56,100 | 00:35:58,100 | 請為修正 |
| 00:35:58,100 | 00:36:00,100 | 委員林怡嬌等提案 |
| 00:36:02,100 | 00:36:03,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:36:03,100 | 00:36:04,100 | 同委員 |
| 00:36:04,100 | 00:36:05,100 | 不是要等提案 |
| 00:36:05,299 | 00:36:06,299 | 第二項 |
| 00:36:06,299 | 00:36:07,299 | 中斷於大學評鑑後 |
| 00:36:07,299 | 00:36:09,299 | 甄定處應納入情向 |
| 00:36:09,299 | 00:36:10,299 | 四項 |
| 00:36:10,299 | 00:36:11,299 | 請為修正 |
| 00:36:16,299 | 00:36:17,299 | 委員吳立華等提案 |
| 00:36:17,299 | 00:36:18,299 | 第一項 |
| 00:36:18,299 | 00:36:19,299 | 同委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:36:19,299 | 00:36:20,299 | 第一項 |
| 00:36:20,299 | 00:36:21,299 | 第二項 |
| 00:36:21,299 | 00:36:23,299 | 於大學評鑑後 |
| 00:36:23,299 | 00:36:24,299 | 甄定應納入情向 |
| 00:36:24,299 | 00:36:25,299 | 四項 |
| 00:36:25,299 | 00:36:27,299 | 默具甄定 |
| 00:36:27,299 | 00:36:28,299 | 應納入價值員 |
| 00:36:28,299 | 00:36:31,299 | 工與學生團體 |
| 00:36:31,299 | 00:36:32,299 | 參與辦法的 |
| 00:36:32,299 | 00:36:33,299 | 教育部定制 |
| 00:36:33,299 | 00:36:34,299 | 請為修正 |
| 00:36:36,100 | 00:36:37,100 | 第七項 |
| 00:36:37,100 | 00:36:38,100 | 委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:36:38,100 | 00:36:39,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:36:39,100 | 00:36:40,100 | 於縣立大學局 |
| 00:36:40,100 | 00:36:41,100 | 私立大學後 |
| 00:36:41,100 | 00:36:42,100 | 均甄定 |
| 00:36:42,100 | 00:36:43,100 | 下誤 |
| 00:36:43,100 | 00:36:44,100 | 歸於五 |
| 00:36:45,100 | 00:36:46,100 | 第三項 |
| 00:36:46,100 | 00:36:47,100 | 中斷 |
| 00:36:47,100 | 00:36:48,100 | 於義務後 |
| 00:36:48,100 | 00:36:49,100 | 甄定學生 |
| 00:36:49,100 | 00:36:51,100 | 失身權益及保障 |
| 00:36:51,100 | 00:36:52,100 | 請為修正 |
| 00:36:53,100 | 00:36:54,100 | 委員吳立華等提案 |
| 00:36:55,100 | 00:36:56,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:36:56,100 | 00:36:57,100 | 同委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:36:57,100 | 00:36:58,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:37:00,100 | 00:37:01,100 | 第三項 |
| 00:37:01,100 | 00:37:02,100 | 於義務後 |
| 00:37:02,100 | 00:37:03,100 | 甄定 |
| 00:37:03,100 | 00:37:06,100 | 價值員工身權益及保障 |
| 00:37:06,100 | 00:37:07,100 | 請為修正 |
| 00:37:08,100 | 00:37:09,100 | 委員陳秀寶等提案 |
| 00:37:09,100 | 00:37:10,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:37:10,100 | 00:37:11,100 | 同委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:37:11,100 | 00:37:12,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:37:12,100 | 00:37:13,100 | 第三項 |
| 00:37:13,100 | 00:37:14,100 | 於義務後 |
| 00:37:14,100 | 00:37:16,100 | 甄定價值員生權益 |
| 00:37:16,100 | 00:37:17,100 | 請為修正 |
| 00:37:18,100 | 00:37:19,100 | 委員陳秀寶等提案 |
| 00:37:20,100 | 00:37:21,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:37:21,100 | 00:37:22,100 | 同委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:37:22,100 | 00:37:23,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:37:23,100 | 00:37:24,100 | 請為修正 |
| 00:37:24,100 | 00:37:25,100 | 同委員范芸等提案 |
| 00:37:26,100 | 00:37:27,100 | 好 |
| 00:37:28,100 | 00:37:29,100 | 我們正在宣讀 |
| 00:37:30,100 | 00:37:32,100 | 那我們開始討論前 |
| 00:37:32,100 | 00:37:34,100 | 想請教育部 |
| 00:37:34,100 | 00:37:35,100 | 先說明各版本 |
| 00:37:35,100 | 00:37:37,100 | 還有研修的條文意見 |
| 00:37:45,100 | 00:37:46,100 | 那是請 |
| 00:37:47,100 | 00:37:48,100 | 請司長 |
| 00:37:48,100 | 00:37:50,100 | 好 我們請高教司長 |
| 00:37:50,100 | 00:37:52,100 | 那是不是可以到那個備訓台 |
| 00:37:53,100 | 00:37:54,100 | 謝謝 |
| 00:38:02,100 | 00:38:04,100 | 委員張雅玲的提案 |
| 00:38:04,100 | 00:38:05,100 | 第一項 |
| 00:38:05,100 | 00:38:07,100 | 由於生育大學及生育大學 |
| 00:38:07,100 | 00:38:09,100 | 委軍政務金孝利 |
| 00:38:09,100 | 00:38:10,100 | 對應請 |
| 00:38:14,100 | 00:38:15,100 | 召委還有各位委員 |
| 00:38:15,100 | 00:38:16,100 | 大家早安 |
| 00:38:16,100 | 00:38:18,100 | 那今天是有關於大學法 |
| 00:38:18,100 | 00:38:20,100 | 部分條文的一個修正草案 |
| 00:38:20,100 | 00:38:21,100 | 那目前 |
| 00:38:21,100 | 00:38:24,100 | 送進我們委員會討論的一個版本 |
| 00:38:24,100 | 00:38:26,100 | 主要的幾個 |
| 00:38:26,100 | 00:38:28,100 | 修法的一個重點 |
| 00:38:28,100 | 00:38:29,100 | 在這邊跟各位委員 |
| 00:38:29,100 | 00:38:31,100 | 報告跟說明 |
| 00:38:31,100 | 00:38:34,100 | 第一個是有關於大學診病的一個方式 |
| 00:38:34,100 | 00:38:37,100 | 那相關的版本提出來的是 |
| 00:38:37,100 | 00:38:39,100 | 有關於大學診病的版本 |
| 00:38:39,100 | 00:38:41,100 | 應該著重在所謂的 |
| 00:38:41,100 | 00:38:44,100 | 校務會議通過的這個程序上面 |
| 00:38:44,100 | 00:38:46,100 | 那在這個部分呢 |
| 00:38:46,100 | 00:38:49,100 | 有關於現行整個校務會議 |
| 00:38:49,100 | 00:38:51,100 | 在討論的一個範圍 |
| 00:38:51,100 | 00:38:53,100 | 針對大學診病的部分 |
| 00:38:53,100 | 00:38:56,100 | 不管是由上而下的一個 |
| 00:38:56,100 | 00:38:57,100 | 教育部的一個發動 |
| 00:38:57,100 | 00:38:59,100 | 或者是由學校自己的一個 |
| 00:38:59,100 | 00:39:02,100 | 本身的一個商討 |
| 00:39:02,100 | 00:39:04,100 | 來形成診病的一個過程當中呢 |
| 00:39:04,100 | 00:39:08,100 | 其實都有經過校務會議的一個討論 |
| 00:39:08,100 | 00:39:10,100 | 所以在這一個部分上面呢 |
| 00:39:10,100 | 00:39:13,100 | 不管是校長 |
| 00:39:13,100 | 00:39:14,100 | 或者是學生團體 |
| 00:39:14,100 | 00:39:16,100 | 以及教師團體的一個代表 |
| 00:39:16,100 | 00:39:17,100 | 針對這一點上面呢 |
| 00:39:17,100 | 00:39:19,100 | 是比較有共識的 |
| 00:39:19,100 | 00:39:22,100 | 就是整個校務會議在討論大學診病的 |
| 00:39:22,100 | 00:39:24,100 | 這個案子呢 |
| 00:39:24,100 | 00:39:28,100 | 是可以經過校務會議的一個程序 |
| 00:39:28,100 | 00:39:30,100 | 那再來就是另外一個議題 |
| 00:39:30,100 | 00:39:33,100 | 就是有關於校長遴選委員會的一個組成 |
| 00:39:33,100 | 00:39:36,100 | 這個是主要在第九條的一個修法上面 |
| 00:39:36,100 | 00:39:40,100 | 那主要校長遴選委員會根據現行的辦法 |
| 00:39:40,100 | 00:39:42,100 | 校長遴選委員會的代表 |
| 00:39:42,100 | 00:39:45,100 | 是有五分之二是由校務會議的代表產生 |
| 00:39:45,100 | 00:39:48,100 | 五分之二是校友以及社會公正人士 |
| 00:39:48,100 | 00:39:51,100 | 以及教育部所遴選的一個代表 |
| 00:39:51,100 | 00:39:55,100 | 那在整個校務會議的這一個 |
| 00:39:55,100 | 00:39:57,100 | 遴選組成委員會裡頭 |
| 00:39:57,100 | 00:39:59,100 | 那是希望 |
| 00:39:59,100 | 00:40:01,100 | 那個有學生團體的意見 |
| 00:40:01,100 | 00:40:05,100 | 是希望能夠增加學生的一個代表性 |
| 00:40:05,100 | 00:40:07,100 | 那再來就是說 |
| 00:40:07,100 | 00:40:09,100 | 有關於代表的一個比例的一個問題 |
| 00:40:09,100 | 00:40:10,100 | 那我們再收集 |
| 00:40:10,100 | 00:40:12,100 | 跟在過去一段時間 |
| 00:40:12,100 | 00:40:15,100 | 有四五次跟學生團體座談的 |
| 00:40:15,100 | 00:40:17,100 | 當中呢 |
| 00:40:17,100 | 00:40:19,100 | 有學生提到就是說 |
| 00:40:19,100 | 00:40:21,100 | 希望根據這個學生的 |
| 00:40:21,100 | 00:40:23,100 | 學生人數 |
| 00:40:23,100 | 00:40:25,100 | 或者是說學制的不同 |
| 00:40:25,100 | 00:40:27,100 | 比如說研究所部分 |
| 00:40:27,100 | 00:40:29,100 | 或者是大學部分 |
| 00:40:29,100 | 00:40:32,100 | 都能夠設置這個學生的一個代表 |
| 00:40:32,100 | 00:40:35,100 | 這個是主要第一點 |
| 00:40:35,100 | 00:40:37,100 | 有關於學生代表的部分 |
| 00:40:37,100 | 00:40:38,100 | 那第二個部分呢 |
| 00:40:38,100 | 00:40:40,100 | 則是校長遴選的這個機制呢 |
| 00:40:40,100 | 00:40:45,100 | 是希望公立大學能夠有學生代表之外 |
| 00:40:45,100 | 00:40:47,100 | 私立大學的部分呢 |
| 00:40:47,100 | 00:40:50,100 | 能夠比照所謂的國立大學的 |
| 00:40:50,100 | 00:40:52,100 | 整個遴選的一個機制 |
| 00:40:52,100 | 00:40:54,100 | 那也就是說 |
| 00:40:54,100 | 00:40:56,100 | 希望有相關的師生代表 |
| 00:40:56,100 | 00:40:58,100 | 要有五分之二的這個部分 |
| 00:40:58,100 | 00:41:00,100 | 那針對這個部分呢 |
| 00:41:00,100 | 00:41:02,100 | 我們收集了 |
| 00:41:02,100 | 00:41:04,100 | 校長協進會的意見 |
| 00:41:04,100 | 00:41:06,100 | 學生團體的意見 |
| 00:41:06,100 | 00:41:08,100 | 以及教師團體的意見之後呢 |
| 00:41:08,100 | 00:41:12,100 | 我們有三個部分的分析 |
| 00:41:12,100 | 00:41:14,100 | 第一個國立大學的部分 |
| 00:41:14,100 | 00:41:16,100 | 現在有近八成的學校 |
| 00:41:16,100 | 00:41:19,100 | 其實都有納入學生代表的部分 |
| 00:41:19,100 | 00:41:21,100 | 所以就國立大學未來在推動 |
| 00:41:21,100 | 00:41:24,100 | 校長林軒委員會學生代表的部分 |
| 00:41:24,100 | 00:41:25,100 | 這個是沒有問題 |
| 00:41:25,100 | 00:41:27,100 | 但是在所謂的 |
| 00:41:27,100 | 00:41:30,100 | 是不是大學部一個代表 |
| 00:41:30,100 | 00:41:31,100 | 研究所一個代表 |
| 00:41:31,100 | 00:41:33,100 | 或者是博士班一個代表的部分 |
| 00:41:33,100 | 00:41:36,100 | 會涉及到國立大學現在招收 |
| 00:41:36,100 | 00:41:40,100 | 或者是設立系所的相關的一個問題 |
| 00:41:40,100 | 00:41:42,100 | 有些國立大學可能沒有到博士班 |
| 00:41:42,100 | 00:41:45,100 | 或者是研究所的部分是比較偏少的 |
| 00:41:45,100 | 00:41:47,100 | 那這個有國立大學之間 |
| 00:41:47,100 | 00:41:49,100 | 也有性質上的差異 |
| 00:41:49,100 | 00:41:52,100 | 所以是我們跟校長團體 |
| 00:41:52,100 | 00:41:55,100 | 以及學生團體溝通的結果 |
| 00:41:55,100 | 00:41:56,100 | 比較傾向的是 |
| 00:41:56,100 | 00:41:57,100 | 定有學生代表 |
| 00:41:57,100 | 00:41:59,100 | 引導國立大學去設置 |
| 00:41:59,100 | 00:42:01,100 | 校長林軒委員會裡頭 |
| 00:42:01,100 | 00:42:04,100 | 有學生代表這樣的一個組成 |
| 00:42:04,100 | 00:42:05,100 | 那第二個部分呢 |
| 00:42:05,100 | 00:42:13,100 | 是有關於私立學校的校長林軒委員會 |
| 00:42:13,100 | 00:42:15,100 | 或者是校長林軒的方式 |
| 00:42:15,100 | 00:42:16,100 | 是不是要納入師生代表 |
| 00:42:16,100 | 00:42:21,100 | 那我們經過跟相關利害關係團體的 |
| 00:42:21,100 | 00:42:23,100 | 一個研商之後呢 |
| 00:42:23,100 | 00:42:26,100 | 我們是建議有關於私校的 |
| 00:42:26,100 | 00:42:28,100 | 這個多元代表參與的部分呢 |
| 00:42:28,100 | 00:42:31,100 | 考量公私立大學校性質的一個不同 |
| 00:42:31,100 | 00:42:33,100 | 私立大學的一個遴選呢 |
| 00:42:33,100 | 00:42:36,100 | 是所謂的法人董事會的一個權責 |
| 00:42:36,100 | 00:42:40,100 | 所以應該在兼顧私校多元發展的彈性 |
| 00:42:40,100 | 00:42:43,100 | 以及它的公共性跟自主性方面呢 |
| 00:42:43,100 | 00:42:45,100 | 我們是可以透過所謂的 |
| 00:42:45,100 | 00:42:47,100 | 政策引導的一個工具呢 |
| 00:42:47,100 | 00:42:51,100 | 來引導私立學校在遴選的機制當中 |
| 00:42:51,100 | 00:42:55,100 | 確保師生代表的多元性 |
| 00:42:55,100 | 00:42:59,100 | 跟代表性的一個意見能夠被聽到 |
| 00:42:59,100 | 00:43:02,100 | 那在所謂的林軒委員會當中 |
| 00:43:02,100 | 00:43:03,100 | 另外第三個問題 |
| 00:43:03,100 | 00:43:05,100 | 就是有關於資訊公開的問題 |
| 00:43:05,100 | 00:43:08,100 | 那現在目前大部分的國立大學 |
| 00:43:08,100 | 00:43:11,100 | 在所謂的校長林軒委員會會議之後 |
| 00:43:11,100 | 00:43:15,100 | 都有進行相關的公開的資訊 |
| 00:43:15,100 | 00:43:18,100 | 但是如果內部的一個討論或發言呢 |
| 00:43:18,100 | 00:43:21,100 | 投票的票數候選人的一個相關議題 |
| 00:43:21,100 | 00:43:24,100 | 如果林軒委員會認為有必要的話呢 |
| 00:43:24,100 | 00:43:27,100 | 是先保密的一個決定 |
| 00:43:27,100 | 00:43:29,100 | 所以呢他也建議就是說 |
| 00:43:29,100 | 00:43:31,100 | 林軒委員會的資訊公開 |
| 00:43:31,100 | 00:43:34,100 | 也有林軒委員會討論決定 |
| 00:43:34,100 | 00:43:36,100 | 但我們部裡頭會來研商 |
| 00:43:36,100 | 00:43:39,100 | 有關於資訊公開的一個相關的 |
| 00:43:39,100 | 00:43:41,100 | 一個基本原則 |
| 00:43:41,100 | 00:43:45,100 | 落實這個所謂的校長林軒委員會的資訊公開 |
| 00:43:45,100 | 00:43:49,100 | 再來就是有關於校務會議師生代表比例 |
| 00:43:49,100 | 00:43:51,100 | 這也就是在所謂的第15條當中 |
| 00:43:51,100 | 00:43:53,100 | 有關於學生代表比例 |
| 00:43:53,100 | 00:43:55,100 | 那在我們部分條文當中 |
| 00:43:55,100 | 00:43:57,100 | 有關於學生代表的一個比例 |
| 00:43:57,100 | 00:44:01,100 | 是希望提高到五分之一 |
| 00:44:01,100 | 00:44:03,100 | 那現行的規定是十分之一 |
| 00:44:03,100 | 00:44:05,100 | 那我們跟所謂的校方 |
| 00:44:05,100 | 00:44:07,100 | 以及學生團體教師團體 |
| 00:44:07,100 | 00:44:09,100 | 一個座談的一個結果呢 |
| 00:44:09,100 | 00:44:11,100 | 初步有共識的是 |
| 00:44:11,100 | 00:44:13,100 | 這個學生代表的團體 |
| 00:44:13,100 | 00:44:15,100 | 可以漸進的方式 |
| 00:44:15,100 | 00:44:19,100 | 來提高所謂的學生代表的一個比例 |
| 00:44:19,100 | 00:44:23,100 | 那初步是以所謂的八分之一為原則 |
| 00:44:23,100 | 00:44:25,100 | 那在具備一定的條件之下呢 |
| 00:44:25,100 | 00:44:30,100 | 再採所謂的區間方式的方式來提高 |
| 00:44:30,100 | 00:44:33,100 | 那再來有關於會議人數的一個上限 |
| 00:44:33,100 | 00:44:36,100 | 那考量各校的一個規模 |
| 00:44:36,100 | 00:44:38,100 | 我們建議保留彈性 |
| 00:44:38,100 | 00:44:41,100 | 能夠在各校的一個章則當中 |
| 00:44:41,100 | 00:44:43,100 | 來訂定合宜的人數 |
| 00:44:43,100 | 00:44:46,100 | 那本部可以在施行細則方面呢 |
| 00:44:46,100 | 00:44:49,100 | 也可以來訂定相關的參考文字 |
| 00:44:49,100 | 00:44:52,100 | 那再來就是有關於學生參與的 |
| 00:44:52,100 | 00:44:54,100 | 一個會議的一個部分呢 |
| 00:44:54,100 | 00:44:57,100 | 應該是以這個會議本身的性質 |
| 00:44:57,100 | 00:45:00,100 | 是否涉及到學生權益 |
| 00:45:00,100 | 00:45:03,100 | 來作為學生是否能夠參與的 |
| 00:45:03,100 | 00:45:05,100 | 一個判斷的一個標準 |
| 00:45:05,100 | 00:45:08,100 | 而不是單純就會議的名稱 |
| 00:45:08,100 | 00:45:11,100 | 來排除學生的一個參與 |
| 00:45:11,100 | 00:45:16,100 | 那學校也應該跟學生來做所謂的溝通 |
| 00:45:16,100 | 00:45:21,100 | 來界定何種會議能夠讓學生來參與 |
| 00:45:21,100 | 00:45:24,100 | 或者是說相關會議涉及到學生權益 |
| 00:45:24,100 | 00:45:26,100 | 比如說教品會當中 |
| 00:45:26,100 | 00:45:29,100 | 是可以邀請學生來出列席的 |
| 00:45:29,100 | 00:45:31,100 | 那再來學生關心的另外一個面向 |
| 00:45:31,100 | 00:45:35,100 | 就是他們的提案權跟連署權的一個保障 |
| 00:45:35,100 | 00:45:39,100 | 那我們也建議學校應該在相關的議事規則當中 |
| 00:45:39,100 | 00:45:43,100 | 保障學生代表的提案權跟連署權 |
| 00:45:43,100 | 00:45:46,100 | 以及學生團體也非常關心的 |
| 00:45:46,100 | 00:45:48,100 | 他們的一個代理機制 |
| 00:45:48,100 | 00:45:51,100 | 那我們也會考量的建議考量在 |
| 00:45:51,100 | 00:45:53,100 | 所謂的代理性質 |
| 00:45:53,100 | 00:45:56,100 | 學生如果是由代表所產生 |
| 00:45:56,100 | 00:45:58,100 | 那他之間的代理的一個相關規範 |
| 00:45:58,100 | 00:46:02,100 | 也建議在學校的相關議事規則當中 |
| 00:46:02,100 | 00:46:07,100 | 明確的與學生團體溝通之後定定 |
| 00:46:07,100 | 00:46:08,100 | 那再來就是說 |
| 00:46:08,100 | 00:46:11,100 | 為了確保學校的會議有效召開 |
| 00:46:11,100 | 00:46:13,100 | 避免因為部分的代表 |
| 00:46:13,100 | 00:46:15,100 | 不管是任何一方的代表 |
| 00:46:15,100 | 00:46:18,100 | 無法出席影響會議的一個召開 |
| 00:46:18,100 | 00:46:21,100 | 這個部分應該要有相關的配套措施 |
| 00:46:21,100 | 00:46:24,100 | 以確保校務的一個經營 |
| 00:46:24,100 | 00:46:27,100 | 再來有關於教師權益的保障 |
| 00:46:27,100 | 00:46:30,100 | 權益的保障主要是在第19條的規範 |
| 00:46:30,100 | 00:46:34,100 | 那目前的一個所謂的教師的 |
| 00:46:34,100 | 00:46:37,100 | 聘約當中是涉及的教師 |
| 00:46:37,100 | 00:46:40,100 | 解聘停聘不續聘的相關條件 |
| 00:46:40,100 | 00:46:43,100 | 跟要求都是定在聘約當中 |
| 00:46:43,100 | 00:46:46,100 | 那為了符合這樣的一個精神呢 |
| 00:46:46,100 | 00:46:49,100 | 我們建議還是維持現行的 |
| 00:46:49,100 | 00:46:51,100 | 一個相關的規範 |
| 00:46:51,100 | 00:46:55,100 | 但是至於說有關於教師評鑑的部分 |
| 00:46:55,100 | 00:46:58,100 | 應該強化所謂的教師專業發展的 |
| 00:46:58,100 | 00:47:00,100 | 這一個面向 |
| 00:47:00,100 | 00:47:02,100 | 不裡頭跟相關的單位 |
| 00:47:02,100 | 00:47:04,100 | 包括教師團體跟學校代表 |
| 00:47:04,100 | 00:47:08,100 | 溝通之後認為教師評鑑的這一個部分呢 |
| 00:47:08,100 | 00:47:11,100 | 是應該要強化所謂的 |
| 00:47:11,100 | 00:47:15,100 | 支持教師專業發展的一個面向 |
| 00:47:15,100 | 00:47:18,100 | 那再來有關於學生自治的部分呢 |
| 00:47:18,100 | 00:47:21,100 | 主要的意見就是在33條 |
| 00:47:21,100 | 00:47:24,100 | 33條之一這些徵修條文當中 |
| 00:47:24,100 | 00:47:27,100 | 那在第一個所會觸及到的面向呢 |
| 00:47:27,100 | 00:47:28,100 | 涉及到的面向呢 |
| 00:47:28,100 | 00:47:31,100 | 就是學生會的一個獨立性 |
| 00:47:31,100 | 00:47:33,100 | 那這個學生會的獨立性會 |
| 00:47:33,100 | 00:47:37,100 | 所認為說應該要支持保障 |
| 00:47:37,100 | 00:47:39,100 | 學生自治的一個獨立性 |
| 00:47:39,100 | 00:47:42,100 | 包括人事選舉跟財務等方面 |
| 00:47:42,100 | 00:47:45,100 | 在不違反法令的前提下呢 |
| 00:47:45,100 | 00:47:48,100 | 學校跟學生團體都建議 |
| 00:47:48,100 | 00:47:50,100 | 學校應該予以尊重 |
| 00:47:50,100 | 00:47:53,100 | 這個我們也跟相關的 |
| 00:47:53,100 | 00:47:56,100 | 學校協進會跟學生團體 |
| 00:47:56,100 | 00:47:58,100 | 有過這樣的一個溝通 |
| 00:47:58,100 | 00:48:00,100 | 第二個主要的議題就是有關於 |
| 00:48:00,100 | 00:48:02,100 | 代收費會的問題 |
| 00:48:02,100 | 00:48:06,100 | 那因為大學法中當已經有明文的一個規定 |
| 00:48:06,100 | 00:48:10,100 | 學校應依學生會的請求代收學生會費 |
| 00:48:10,100 | 00:48:12,100 | 那建議呢學生會呢 |
| 00:48:12,100 | 00:48:15,100 | 可以先建立校內的一個溝通機制 |
| 00:48:15,100 | 00:48:19,100 | 強化學生對於學生會的一個認同 |
| 00:48:19,100 | 00:48:22,100 | 來逐步提高繳交費會的比例 |
| 00:48:22,100 | 00:48:23,100 | 跟意願 |
| 00:48:23,100 | 00:48:25,100 | 那另外涉及到費費的額度 |
| 00:48:25,100 | 00:48:28,100 | 收取的頻率以及調整的程序呢 |
| 00:48:28,100 | 00:48:30,100 | 則由學生建議由學生 |
| 00:48:30,100 | 00:48:33,100 | 來依照相關的規程自行訂定 |
| 00:48:33,100 | 00:48:35,100 | 那再來就是有關於 |
| 00:48:35,100 | 00:48:37,100 | 獨立的會務空間部分 |
| 00:48:37,100 | 00:48:40,100 | 學生學校應該提供學生 |
| 00:48:40,100 | 00:48:45,100 | 獨立的一個會費的會會務的活動空間 |
| 00:48:45,100 | 00:48:47,100 | 那另外學生會使用 |
| 00:48:47,100 | 00:48:50,100 | 校校園的一個活動空間的時候 |
| 00:48:50,100 | 00:48:53,100 | 應該在不影響其他校內使用 |
| 00:48:53,100 | 00:48:56,100 | 以及促進學生參與的一個前提下 |
| 00:48:56,100 | 00:49:00,100 | 由學校與學生共同會商獨立的辦公空間 |
| 00:49:00,100 | 00:49:03,100 | 然後使用的一個相關規範 |
| 00:49:03,100 | 00:49:05,100 | 所以這個部分呢 |
| 00:49:05,100 | 00:49:08,100 | 在學校協議會跟學生團體 |
| 00:49:08,100 | 00:49:10,100 | 其實都有一個共識 |
| 00:49:10,100 | 00:49:13,100 | 那至於學生代表產生的方式呢 |
| 00:49:13,100 | 00:49:15,100 | 那如果他的產生方式 |
| 00:49:15,100 | 00:49:18,100 | 或者是他的資格等細項呢 |
| 00:49:18,100 | 00:49:20,100 | 那我們也建議是參考 |
| 00:49:20,100 | 00:49:22,100 | 我們剛才已經有提到的 |
| 00:49:22,100 | 00:49:25,100 | 學生會的一個代表的產生方式呢 |
| 00:49:25,100 | 00:49:28,100 | 由學校與學生討論 |
| 00:49:28,100 | 00:49:31,100 | 在相關的組織規程當中訂定 |
| 00:49:31,100 | 00:49:34,100 | 那至於就是說學生參與的意願 |
| 00:49:34,100 | 00:49:39,100 | 以及他如何學習參與學校事務的一個經驗 |
| 00:49:39,100 | 00:49:40,100 | 這個部分呢 |
| 00:49:40,100 | 00:49:44,100 | 則有賴於我們相關的私處署 |
| 00:49:44,100 | 00:49:49,100 | 會來持續辦理學生自治課程的一個培立課程 |
| 00:49:49,100 | 00:49:52,100 | 然後引導學校訂定相關的一個機制 |
| 00:49:52,100 | 00:49:55,100 | 來講就是說鼓勵學生來參與 |
| 00:49:55,100 | 00:49:57,100 | 校務的一個推動 |
| 00:49:57,100 | 00:50:00,100 | 那再來學生所關心的另外一個議題 |
| 00:50:00,100 | 00:50:03,100 | 就是校籍戶籍簽入校園的一個部分 |
| 00:50:03,100 | 00:50:05,100 | 那根據戶籍法的規定 |
| 00:50:05,100 | 00:50:10,100 | 目前確實學生已經可以將戶籍簽入宿舍 |
| 00:50:10,100 | 00:50:13,100 | 那本部會在相關的會議當中呢 |
| 00:50:13,100 | 00:50:15,100 | 邀請內政部來說明 |
| 00:50:15,100 | 00:50:18,100 | 引導學校在兼顧管理需求下 |
| 00:50:18,100 | 00:50:23,100 | 提供彈性的一個戶籍簽入的一個相關設計 |
| 00:50:23,100 | 00:50:25,100 | 然後再來就是比較關切的就是 |
| 00:50:25,100 | 00:50:28,100 | 經濟弱勢學生的一個照顧 |
| 00:50:28,100 | 00:50:31,100 | 那本部呢其實在過去一段時間 |
| 00:50:31,100 | 00:50:33,100 | 都透過所謂的行政措施 |
| 00:50:33,100 | 00:50:37,100 | 來以激動積極彈性的方式來照顧學生 |
| 00:50:37,100 | 00:50:41,100 | 那也就是總統跟行政院長在之前 |
| 00:50:41,100 | 00:50:45,100 | 也有針對整個學代的一個調整 |
| 00:50:45,100 | 00:50:48,100 | 來照顧學生的一個權利的這個部分呢 |
| 00:50:48,100 | 00:50:50,100 | 其實就是針對弱勢學生 |
| 00:50:50,100 | 00:50:52,100 | 以及相關學生的一個照顧 |
| 00:50:52,100 | 00:50:57,100 | 這些部分都可以透過所謂的行政措施來進行 |
| 00:50:57,100 | 00:50:59,100 | 在不修法的前提之下呢 |
| 00:50:59,100 | 00:51:02,100 | 其實都可以達到照顧弱勢 |
| 00:51:02,100 | 00:51:04,100 | 而且透過這樣的一個機制跟方式 |
| 00:51:04,100 | 00:51:07,100 | 更能及時準確的投放資源 |
| 00:51:07,100 | 00:51:10,100 | 激動的回應學生的一個需求 |
| 00:51:10,100 | 00:51:14,100 | 所以這個部分我們也在上次的一個商討當中呢 |
| 00:51:14,100 | 00:51:16,100 | 建議是訂定比較原則性 |
| 00:51:16,100 | 00:51:19,100 | 以及相關規範性的一個文字 |
| 00:51:19,100 | 00:51:21,100 | 那報告召委以及各位委員 |
| 00:51:21,100 | 00:51:24,100 | 以上是針對相關法令條文 |
| 00:51:24,100 | 00:51:26,100 | 從所謂的校長遴選 |
| 00:51:26,100 | 00:51:28,100 | 校務會議教師權益的保障 |
| 00:51:28,100 | 00:51:31,100 | 以及學生自治這四個面向呢 |
| 00:51:31,100 | 00:51:36,100 | 相關的一些主要的一個重點整理跟報告 |
| 00:51:36,100 | 00:51:37,100 | 以上 |
| 00:51:38,100 | 00:51:40,100 | 謝謝教育部這邊 |
| 00:51:40,100 | 00:51:43,100 | 有做條文的一個研修意見 |
| 00:51:43,100 | 00:51:45,100 | 大家有沒有什麼看法 |
| 00:51:45,100 | 00:51:46,100 | 有沒有意見 |
| 00:51:46,100 | 00:51:48,100 | 好 國議請委員 |
| 00:51:48,100 | 00:51:51,100 | 好 我想聽到這個教育部的報告 |
| 00:51:51,100 | 00:51:53,100 | 但是我要說的是這個 |
| 00:51:53,100 | 00:51:56,100 | 上個月其實我也特別主持了這個公聽會 |
| 00:51:56,100 | 00:52:01,100 | 就是有學生團體跟這個專家學者都有特別來 |
| 00:52:01,100 | 00:52:03,100 | 那我覺得在今天進入逐條之前 |
| 00:52:03,100 | 00:52:06,100 | 我們是不是可以先大提討論 |
| 00:52:06,100 | 00:52:11,100 | 我覺得就是這樣子的方向可能會稍微比較好一點 |
| 00:52:11,100 | 00:52:12,100 | 以上建議 |
| 00:52:12,100 | 00:52:13,100 | 好 大家有沒有意見 |
| 00:52:13,100 | 00:52:14,100 | 沒有 |
| 00:52:14,100 | 00:52:16,100 | 好 那我們就做大提討論 |
| 00:52:16,100 | 00:52:18,100 | 需要發言的請舉手 |
| 00:52:19,100 | 00:52:21,100 | 好 那我們就依序好了 |
| 00:52:21,100 | 00:52:23,100 | 好 那我們可不可以 |
| 00:52:27,100 | 00:52:29,100 | 好 來 請說 |
| 00:52:31,100 | 00:52:32,100 | 請問一下 |
| 00:52:32,100 | 00:52:33,100 | 你要麥克風吧 |
| 00:52:33,100 | 00:52:34,100 | 麥克風 |
| 00:52:34,100 | 00:52:35,100 | 麥克風 |
| 00:52:35,100 | 00:52:36,100 | 請問一下主席 |
| 00:52:36,100 | 00:52:38,100 | 我們大提討論完以後會逐條審查嗎 |
| 00:52:38,100 | 00:52:40,100 | 我們就順著走 |
| 00:52:40,100 | 00:52:42,100 | 所以就是會順著 |
| 00:52:42,100 | 00:52:45,100 | 但是我剛才有宣告過 |
| 00:52:45,100 | 00:52:48,100 | 我們必須在11點結束 |
| 00:52:48,100 | 00:52:51,100 | 因為下午還有司馬庫斯的考察行程 |
| 00:52:51,100 | 00:52:53,100 | 您有司馬庫斯 |
| 00:52:53,100 | 00:52:54,100 | 您特別有安排 |
| 00:52:54,100 | 00:52:55,100 | 有 |
| 00:52:55,100 | 00:52:56,100 | 辛苦了 辛苦了 |
| 00:52:56,100 | 00:52:57,100 | 盡力配合 |
| 00:52:57,100 | 00:52:58,100 | 謝謝 |
| 00:52:58,100 | 00:53:00,100 | 那所以會逐條審查嗎 |
| 00:53:00,100 | 00:53:02,100 | 我們就是順順的進來 |
| 00:53:02,100 | 00:53:04,100 | 順順的大提討論完就逐條審查 |
| 00:53:04,100 | 00:53:06,100 | 不過我先說明一下 |
| 00:53:06,100 | 00:53:08,100 | 因為羅昭偉有提出這個問題 |
| 00:53:08,100 | 00:53:09,100 | 我也說明 |
| 00:53:09,100 | 00:53:12,100 | 因為我也不方便在主席的時候宣告 |
| 00:53:12,100 | 00:53:16,100 | 因為今天很謝謝大家的配合 |
| 00:53:16,100 | 00:53:19,100 | 那事實上羅昭偉應該也很清楚 |
| 00:53:19,100 | 00:53:21,100 | 關心大學法的團體 |
| 00:53:21,100 | 00:53:23,100 | 特別是學生團體 |
| 00:53:23,100 | 00:53:28,100 | 那他們也多次的希望我們能夠前進 |
| 00:53:28,100 | 00:53:31,100 | 那因為之前尋答已經完成 |
| 00:53:31,100 | 00:53:33,100 | 公聽會也已經完成 |
| 00:53:33,100 | 00:53:38,100 | 那照理說因為8月也是這個會期延後 |
| 00:53:38,100 | 00:53:39,100 | 之後的最後一個月 |
| 00:53:39,100 | 00:53:40,100 | 對我知道 |
| 00:53:40,100 | 00:53:44,100 | 所以他們因為原本想要開記者會 |
| 00:53:44,100 | 00:53:47,100 | 那所以我也特別說好 |
| 00:53:47,100 | 00:53:48,100 | 回應他們的需求 |
| 00:53:48,100 | 00:53:52,100 | 但是因為我上個禮拜的議程已經排定 |
| 00:53:52,100 | 00:53:55,100 | 就是這兩天要去司馬庫斯 |
| 00:53:55,100 | 00:53:57,100 | 那我要特別說明一下 |
| 00:53:57,100 | 00:54:01,100 | 因為司馬庫斯他們已經23年 |
| 00:54:01,100 | 00:54:06,100 | 他們的學校是在一個不合法的狀態 |
| 00:54:06,100 | 00:54:09,100 | 但是因為他們自治的意識很強 |
| 00:54:09,100 | 00:54:13,100 | 所以我在5年前也進去協助他們 |
| 00:54:13,100 | 00:54:15,100 | 去處理土地的問題 |
| 00:54:15,100 | 00:54:17,100 | 那現在在國教署 |
| 00:54:17,100 | 00:54:19,100 | 還有新竹縣政府的幫助之下 |
| 00:54:19,100 | 00:54:22,100 | 他們已經開始在做土地的變更 |
| 00:54:22,100 | 00:54:25,100 | 所以他們很期待我們能夠上去 |
| 00:54:25,100 | 00:54:28,100 | 所以這個部分請大家體諒 |
| 00:54:28,100 | 00:54:29,100 | 謝謝大家 |
| 00:54:29,100 | 00:54:31,100 | 跟照理報告就是說尊重您的排案 |
| 00:54:31,100 | 00:54:32,100 | 謝謝 |
| 00:54:32,100 | 00:54:36,100 | 那我想您也是就是兩天前突然改議程 |
| 00:54:36,100 | 00:54:38,100 | 也是因為有這樣子的一個 |
| 00:54:38,100 | 00:54:43,100 | 一方面是你說的司馬庫斯有他現況的違法 |
| 00:54:43,100 | 00:54:46,100 | 那一方面大學生的訴求 |
| 00:54:46,100 | 00:54:49,100 | 那我想我的辦公室跟你的辦公室 |
| 00:54:49,100 | 00:54:51,100 | 也長期接到這些學生團體的建議 |
| 00:54:51,100 | 00:54:52,100 | 對嘛 |
| 00:54:52,100 | 00:54:53,100 | 經常來對 |
| 00:54:53,100 | 00:54:56,100 | 那之前我有跟你講說我想要排 |
| 00:54:56,100 | 00:54:59,100 | 那但是召委您排我們也尊重 |
| 00:54:59,100 | 00:55:00,100 | 大家一起加油 |
| 00:55:00,100 | 00:55:01,100 | 好 |
| 00:55:01,100 | 00:55:03,100 | 那只是我想問一下就是說 |
| 00:55:03,100 | 00:55:06,100 | 因為有一些逐條討論的一些細節 |
| 00:55:06,100 | 00:55:08,100 | 那有學生團體希望我來講 |
| 00:55:08,100 | 00:55:09,100 | 可以 |
| 00:55:09,100 | 00:55:10,100 | 所以我想說 |
| 00:55:10,100 | 00:55:11,100 | 那我們就充分討論 |
| 00:55:11,100 | 00:55:12,100 | 對 |
| 00:55:12,100 | 00:55:15,100 | 因為其實下個會期的召委也很願意排這個 |
| 00:55:15,100 | 00:55:16,100 | 對 |
| 00:55:16,100 | 00:55:18,100 | 這個不會停掉 |
| 00:55:18,100 | 00:55:20,100 | 大體討論完就會逐條審查 |
| 00:55:20,100 | 00:55:22,100 | 就是順著走 |
| 00:55:22,100 | 00:55:23,100 | 對 |
| 00:55:23,100 | 00:55:25,100 | 因為今天本來就是排審 |
| 00:55:25,100 | 00:55:26,100 | OK |
| 00:55:26,100 | 00:55:28,100 | 謝謝羅召委 |
| 00:55:28,100 | 00:55:30,100 | 好那我們就依序發言 |
| 00:55:30,100 | 00:55:33,100 | 我們從最那邊的葛儒君委員 |
| 00:55:33,100 | 00:55:34,100 | 謝謝 |
| 00:55:34,100 | 00:55:37,100 | 那個葛儒君委員我可不可以這樣子 |
| 00:55:37,100 | 00:55:39,100 | 就是如果大家討論 |
| 00:55:39,100 | 00:55:41,100 | 因為我通常發現全部討論完 |
| 00:55:41,100 | 00:55:43,100 | 請教育部做回應的時候 |
| 00:55:43,100 | 00:55:45,100 | 或者他們甚至沒有請他們做回應 |
| 00:55:45,100 | 00:55:47,100 | 我覺得蠻可惜 |
| 00:55:47,100 | 00:55:49,100 | 有沒有可能我們每一個發言完 |
| 00:55:49,100 | 00:55:50,100 | 發言完 |
| 00:55:50,100 | 00:55:52,100 | 是不是請教育部做一些回應 |
| 00:55:52,100 | 00:55:53,100 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:55:53,100 | 00:55:54,100 | 好大家同意 |
| 00:55:54,100 | 00:55:55,100 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:55:55,100 | 00:55:57,100 | 來葛儒君委員請 |
| 00:55:57,100 | 00:55:59,100 | 那要不要上這個質詢台 |
| 00:56:01,100 | 00:56:02,100 | 好 |
| 00:56:02,100 | 00:56:03,100 | 坐著也可以 |
| 00:56:03,100 | 00:56:04,100 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:56:07,100 | 00:56:08,100 | 好 |
| 00:56:08,100 | 00:56:10,100 | 主席各位委員 |
| 00:56:10,100 | 00:56:13,100 | 還有各位關心高等教育的朋友大家好 |
| 00:56:14,100 | 00:56:18,100 | 那本席長期有在關注大學法的修法議題 |
| 00:56:18,100 | 00:56:19,100 | 那就在前幾天呢 |
| 00:56:19,100 | 00:56:21,100 | 我也分別跟學生團體 |
| 00:56:21,100 | 00:56:24,100 | 教師團體都有見面 |
| 00:56:24,100 | 00:56:25,100 | 深入交換意見 |
| 00:56:25,100 | 00:56:27,100 | 那我也要強調 |
| 00:56:27,100 | 00:56:31,100 | 大學不會只是一個傳授知識的場所 |
| 00:56:31,100 | 00:56:33,100 | 它更應該是一個實踐民主 |
| 00:56:33,100 | 00:56:34,100 | 保障自由 |
| 00:56:34,100 | 00:56:37,100 | 培養公民自由倡議的地方 |
| 00:56:37,100 | 00:56:39,100 | 那如果連大學校園內部 |
| 00:56:39,100 | 00:56:41,100 | 自己本身的組織 |
| 00:56:41,100 | 00:56:45,100 | 都無法落實公開透明跟民主的參與 |
| 00:56:45,100 | 00:56:48,100 | 我們又怎麼能夠期待學生離開校園以後 |
| 00:56:48,100 | 00:56:50,100 | 要能夠來相信民主 |
| 00:56:50,100 | 00:56:51,100 | 實踐民主 |
| 00:56:51,100 | 00:56:52,100 | 捍衛民主 |
| 00:56:52,100 | 00:56:54,100 | 那上個會期 |
| 00:56:54,100 | 00:56:57,100 | 我們民眾黨的劉淑冰委員 |
| 00:56:57,100 | 00:56:59,100 | 當時擔任召集委員 |
| 00:56:59,100 | 00:57:01,100 | 曾經就安排了大學法的修法公聽會 |
| 00:57:01,100 | 00:57:03,100 | 還有相關的詢答 |
| 00:57:03,100 | 00:57:04,100 | 那當時呢 |
| 00:57:04,100 | 00:57:07,100 | 本席就曾經多次的表達意見跟立場 |
| 00:57:07,100 | 00:57:10,100 | 無論公立或者私立大學 |
| 00:57:10,100 | 00:57:13,100 | 在校長遴選的過程當中 |
| 00:57:13,100 | 00:57:16,100 | 都應該要保障教師與學生 |
| 00:57:16,100 | 00:57:20,100 | 在遴選委員會當中擁有的一定席次 |
| 00:57:20,100 | 00:57:23,100 | 因為校長是全體師生的校長 |
| 00:57:23,100 | 00:57:27,100 | 那師生也應該有權利真正的參與決策 |
| 00:57:27,100 | 00:57:30,100 | 要注意我這裡講的是師生 |
| 00:57:30,100 | 00:57:31,100 | 不是只有師 |
| 00:57:31,100 | 00:57:33,100 | 也不是只有生 |
| 00:57:33,100 | 00:57:35,100 | 校長是所有人的校長 |
| 00:57:35,100 | 00:57:37,100 | 那所以校長遴選的會議程序 |
| 00:57:37,100 | 00:57:38,100 | 跟重要的資訊 |
| 00:57:38,100 | 00:57:41,100 | 也一定應該要能夠以 |
| 00:57:41,100 | 00:57:43,100 | 公開透明的原則 |
| 00:57:43,100 | 00:57:45,100 | 那除了校長遴選以外 |
| 00:57:45,100 | 00:57:48,100 | 校務會議更是這一次修法不可迴避的核心 |
| 00:57:48,100 | 00:57:50,100 | 那目前許多大學的校務會議 |
| 00:57:50,100 | 00:57:54,100 | 名義上都有設教師代表 |
| 00:57:54,100 | 00:57:57,100 | 但實質上卻充斥著學術主管 |
| 00:57:57,100 | 00:57:59,100 | 行政主管 |
| 00:57:59,100 | 00:58:03,100 | 甚至出現主管混充教師代表的現象 |
| 00:58:03,100 | 00:58:06,100 | 這樣的組成不但扭曲了教師代表的意義 |
| 00:58:06,100 | 00:58:09,100 | 更使得原本應該要監督行政 |
| 00:58:09,100 | 00:58:12,100 | 平衡權利的校務會議 |
| 00:58:12,100 | 00:58:15,100 | 逐漸變成一個行政體系的延伸 |
| 00:58:15,100 | 00:58:16,100 | 講難聽一點 |
| 00:58:16,100 | 00:58:19,100 | 會不會有走過場的嫌疑 |
| 00:58:19,100 | 00:58:21,100 | 幾個小時的校務會議開下來 |
| 00:58:21,100 | 00:58:24,100 | 都沒有人真正的發言 |
| 00:58:24,100 | 00:58:27,100 | 只有舉手同意點頭 |
| 00:58:27,100 | 00:58:29,100 | 那我想這樣的校務會議 |
| 00:58:29,100 | 00:58:32,100 | 真的是一個民主社會的校務會議嗎 |
| 00:58:32,100 | 00:58:35,100 | 還是我們逐漸的把它扭曲掉了 |
| 00:58:35,100 | 00:58:38,100 | 那當行政主管同時掌握了行政權 |
| 00:58:38,100 | 00:58:40,100 | 又以教師代表的身分 |
| 00:58:40,100 | 00:58:42,100 | 又進入校務會議 |
| 00:58:42,100 | 00:58:45,100 | 那到底誰來監督行政 |
| 00:58:45,100 | 00:58:47,100 | 球員自己又兼裁判 |
| 00:58:47,100 | 00:58:49,100 | 裁判又再兼球員 |
| 00:58:49,100 | 00:58:53,100 | 誰能夠替沒有行政職務的 |
| 00:58:53,100 | 00:58:56,100 | 真正一線的教師來發聲 |
| 00:58:56,100 | 00:58:59,100 | 誰來反映校園當中多數人的真實處境 |
| 00:58:59,100 | 00:59:02,100 | 因此本席一直主張 |
| 00:59:02,100 | 00:59:04,100 | 應該藉由這一次大學法的修法 |
| 00:59:04,100 | 00:59:07,100 | 重新的檢討校務會議的組成 |
| 00:59:07,100 | 00:59:11,100 | 教師代表當中應該明確的納入一定比例 |
| 00:59:11,100 | 00:59:15,100 | 未兼任學術或行政主管的教師 |
| 00:59:15,100 | 00:59:17,100 | 讓真正站在教學現場 |
| 00:59:17,100 | 00:59:19,100 | 研究現場的教師 |
| 00:59:19,100 | 00:59:22,100 | 能夠進入校務決策的核心 |
| 00:59:22,100 | 00:59:25,100 | 那本席過去也曾經在大學裡頭 |
| 00:59:25,100 | 00:59:26,100 | 擔任教師 |
| 00:59:26,100 | 00:59:28,100 | 也曾經擔任過主管 |
| 00:59:28,100 | 00:59:32,100 | 我真的曾經在這樣一個百人的會議裡面 |
| 00:59:32,100 | 00:59:37,100 | 感受到非常長時間的沉默 |
| 00:59:37,100 | 00:59:41,100 | 點頭舉手一個走過場式的 |
| 00:59:41,100 | 00:59:43,100 | 有這樣的一種感受 |
| 00:59:43,100 | 00:59:45,100 | 當然也許未必每一場都是這樣 |
| 00:59:45,100 | 00:59:47,100 | 但是也有很多的前線教師 |
| 00:59:47,100 | 00:59:50,100 | 跟我們表達他們聽到 |
| 00:59:50,100 | 00:59:53,100 | 看到過或曾經參與過 |
| 00:59:53,100 | 00:59:55,100 | 這樣顯然不是我們真正的校務會議 |
| 00:59:55,100 | 00:59:58,100 | 跟校園民主真正的狀態才對 |
| 00:59:58,100 | 01:00:01,100 | 同時在學生代表的方面 |
| 01:00:01,100 | 01:00:03,100 | 本席也主張學生代表比例 |
| 01:00:03,100 | 01:00:06,100 | 應該要提高到至少八分之一 |
| 01:00:06,100 | 01:00:10,100 | 並得以學校規模及實際情況 |
| 01:00:10,100 | 01:00:13,100 | 提高到五分之一 |
| 01:00:13,100 | 01:00:14,100 | 為什麼 |
| 01:00:14,100 | 01:00:17,100 | 因為學生是大學共同體的成員 |
| 01:00:17,100 | 01:00:20,100 | 是所有教育政策最直接的承受者 |
| 01:00:20,100 | 01:00:23,100 | 校會所做的每一項決策 |
| 01:00:23,100 | 01:00:25,100 | 絕對都跟學生息息相關 |
| 01:00:25,100 | 01:00:29,100 | 既然學生承擔小決策的結果 |
| 01:00:29,100 | 01:00:32,100 | 就應該擁有參與決策的權利 |
| 01:00:32,100 | 01:00:37,100 | 學校學校的學就是學生 |
| 01:00:37,100 | 01:00:39,100 | 如果我們都是以教師 |
| 01:00:39,100 | 01:00:41,100 | 那就叫教校就好了 |
| 01:00:41,100 | 01:00:42,100 | 顯然它不是 |
| 01:00:42,100 | 01:00:45,100 | 沒有學生怎麼會有學校 |
| 01:00:45,100 | 01:00:47,100 | 同時在民國初年 |
| 01:00:47,100 | 01:00:50,100 | 我們的胡適就曾經 |
| 01:00:50,100 | 01:00:52,100 | 為了一個學校沒有辦法 |
| 01:00:52,100 | 01:00:54,100 | 納入學生的建議 |
| 01:00:54,100 | 01:00:57,100 | 跑到對街去創一個新公學 |
| 01:00:57,100 | 01:01:00,100 | 它要爭取的就是學生 |
| 01:01:00,100 | 01:01:02,100 | 在學校裡真正自治的權利 |
| 01:01:02,100 | 01:01:05,100 | 沒想到幾十載過了 |
| 01:01:05,100 | 01:01:08,100 | 我們到現在還持續在爭取 |
| 01:01:08,100 | 01:01:10,100 | 我想這個就應該要是 |
| 01:01:10,100 | 01:01:12,100 | 趕快來打破僵化 |
| 01:01:12,100 | 01:01:14,100 | 我們已經民國115年了 |
| 01:01:14,100 | 01:01:17,100 | 我們還在解決胡適當年的問題嗎 |
| 01:01:17,100 | 01:01:19,100 | 我想除了校園治理 |
| 01:01:19,100 | 01:01:21,100 | 我們也必須要重新檢討 |
| 01:01:21,100 | 01:01:23,100 | 教師評鑑制度 |
| 01:01:23,100 | 01:01:26,100 | 依照大學法第21條等相關的規定 |
| 01:01:26,100 | 01:01:29,100 | 大專校園應建立教師評鑑制度 |
| 01:01:29,100 | 01:01:31,100 | 而制度當時本來的目的 |
| 01:01:31,100 | 01:01:33,100 | 是協助教師專業發展 |
| 01:01:33,100 | 01:01:35,100 | 提升教學品質 |
| 01:01:35,100 | 01:01:36,100 | 然而多年來 |
| 01:01:36,100 | 01:01:38,100 | 部分學校的教師評鑑 |
| 01:01:38,100 | 01:01:41,100 | 卻走向僵化 量化 |
| 01:01:41,100 | 01:01:46,100 | 甚至是行政控制教師的工具 |
| 01:01:46,100 | 01:01:48,100 | 我想這真的是 |
| 01:01:48,100 | 01:01:50,100 | 我想整個大專院校的體系 |
| 01:01:50,100 | 01:01:53,100 | 或者相關的系統 |
| 01:01:53,100 | 01:01:55,100 | 最悲哀的一個現狀 |
| 01:01:55,100 | 01:01:57,100 | 努力教學的教師 |
| 01:01:57,100 | 01:02:00,100 | 努力做產學的教師 |
| 01:02:00,100 | 01:02:02,100 | 在評鑑升等上面 |
| 01:02:02,100 | 01:02:05,100 | 竟然遇到重重關卡 |
| 01:02:05,100 | 01:02:08,100 | 反而熟悉規則 |
| 01:02:08,100 | 01:02:10,100 | 熟悉制度的教師 |
| 01:02:10,100 | 01:02:13,100 | 反而能夠扶搖直上 |
| 01:02:13,100 | 01:02:16,100 | 擔任行政職務的教師 |
| 01:02:16,100 | 01:02:18,100 | 沒有人來監督他 |
| 01:02:18,100 | 01:02:21,100 | 我想這絕對不是我們的大學發展 |
| 01:02:21,100 | 01:02:22,100 | 希望能夠看到的 |
| 01:02:22,100 | 01:02:25,100 | 評鑑過度的看重論文的數量 |
| 01:02:25,100 | 01:02:28,100 | 期刊的排名 短期的績效 |
| 01:02:28,100 | 01:02:31,100 | 就使得擁有資源的人 |
| 01:02:31,100 | 01:02:33,100 | 更容易被評鑑 |
| 01:02:33,100 | 01:02:35,100 | 更容易被升等 |
| 01:02:35,100 | 01:02:37,100 | 這是我們要的大學嗎 |
| 01:02:37,100 | 01:02:38,100 | 教學的投入 |
| 01:02:38,100 | 01:02:41,100 | 得到教師獎項的人 |
| 01:02:41,100 | 01:02:44,100 | 努力做學生輔導的老師 |
| 01:02:44,100 | 01:02:46,100 | 做社會服務 |
| 01:02:46,100 | 01:02:47,100 | 做產業的連結 |
| 01:02:47,100 | 01:02:49,100 | 產學的合作 |
| 01:02:49,100 | 01:02:51,100 | 跨領域的連結貢獻 |
| 01:02:51,100 | 01:02:53,100 | 反而變成是次要的 |
| 01:02:53,100 | 01:02:56,100 | 一直在講多元評鑑多元評鑑 |
| 01:02:56,100 | 01:02:59,100 | 我想教育部自己回去檢查一下數字 |
| 01:02:59,100 | 01:03:01,100 | 到底多少比例的人 |
| 01:03:01,100 | 01:03:03,100 | 是用論文在升等 |
| 01:03:03,100 | 01:03:05,100 | 到底多少比例的人 |
| 01:03:05,100 | 01:03:07,100 | 是用多元的方式在升等 |
| 01:03:07,100 | 01:03:10,100 | 我想這個數字大家都非常清楚 |
| 01:03:10,100 | 01:03:12,100 | 2026年了 |
| 01:03:12,100 | 01:03:14,100 | 世界已經在改變了 |
| 01:03:14,100 | 01:03:16,100 | 我們絕對要改革 |
| 01:03:16,100 | 01:03:18,100 | 絕對要透過大學法這一次的修法 |
| 01:03:18,100 | 01:03:20,100 | 來做完整的檢討 |
| 01:03:20,100 | 01:03:22,100 | 變成了 |
| 01:03:22,100 | 01:03:24,100 | 如果我們沒有檢討 |
| 01:03:24,100 | 01:03:26,100 | 反而久而久之 |
| 01:03:26,100 | 01:03:28,100 | 教師為了評鑑而研究 |
| 01:03:28,100 | 01:03:30,100 | 為了評鑑而發論文 |
| 01:03:30,100 | 01:03:32,100 | 為了升等而發論文 |
| 01:03:32,100 | 01:03:34,100 | 為了數字來教學 |
| 01:03:34,100 | 01:03:37,100 | 不但偏離了教育的本質 |
| 01:03:37,100 | 01:03:40,100 | 也壓縮了教師多元發展的空間 |
| 01:03:40,100 | 01:03:43,100 | 台灣的大學的多元競爭力 |
| 01:03:43,100 | 01:03:46,100 | 可能就葬送在制度的陷阱裡面 |
| 01:03:46,100 | 01:03:48,100 | 更令人憂心 |
| 01:03:48,100 | 01:03:50,100 | 更令人憂心 |
| 01:03:50,100 | 01:03:52,100 | 我們一直剛剛提到的 |
| 01:03:52,100 | 01:03:55,100 | 行政權又過度的介入教師升等 |
| 01:03:55,100 | 01:03:57,100 | 人事與研究決策 |
| 01:03:57,100 | 01:04:01,100 | 教授治校就變成一種口號 |
| 01:04:01,100 | 01:04:03,100 | 變成行政治校了 |
| 01:04:03,100 | 01:04:06,100 | 而學術自主也逐漸受到侵蝕 |
| 01:04:06,100 | 01:04:09,100 | 因此本席要再次強調我們的主張 |
| 01:04:09,100 | 01:04:13,100 | 大學應建立真正以成長為導向的 |
| 01:04:13,100 | 01:04:15,100 | 教師專業評鑑 |
| 01:04:15,100 | 01:04:17,100 | 發展評鑑制度 |
| 01:04:17,100 | 01:04:21,100 | 那評鑑的目的不應該是懲罰教師 |
| 01:04:21,100 | 01:04:23,100 | 淘汰教師 |
| 01:04:23,100 | 01:04:26,100 | 讓年輕的教師受苦 |
| 01:04:26,100 | 01:04:30,100 | 讓真正投入教學的資深教師 |
| 01:04:30,100 | 01:04:34,100 | 變成一個長年的講師 |
| 01:04:34,100 | 01:04:37,100 | 變成一個專案的講師 |
| 01:04:37,100 | 01:04:39,100 | 永遠沒有辦法升得上去 |
| 01:04:39,100 | 01:04:42,100 | 整個系統應該是要協助教師 |
| 01:04:42,100 | 01:04:44,100 | 找到自己專業的方向 |
| 01:04:44,100 | 01:04:46,100 | 支持學生的教師 |
| 01:04:46,100 | 01:04:48,100 | 學校就應該要支持他 |
| 01:04:48,100 | 01:04:50,100 | 支持不同類型的人才發展 |
| 01:04:50,100 | 01:04:52,100 | 這才是大學多元的目的 |
| 01:04:52,100 | 01:04:54,100 | 如果大學只用一把尺 |
| 01:04:54,100 | 01:04:56,100 | 來衡量所有人 |
| 01:04:56,100 | 01:04:58,100 | 不只是不公平 |
| 01:04:58,100 | 01:05:00,100 | 更會扼殺高等教育 |
| 01:05:00,100 | 01:05:02,100 | 最珍貴的多樣性 |
| 01:05:02,100 | 01:05:05,100 | 我們需要的不是把每一位教師塑造成 |
| 01:05:05,100 | 01:05:06,100 | 一個模子 |
| 01:05:06,100 | 01:05:08,100 | 而是讓每一位教師都能發揮 |
| 01:05:08,100 | 01:05:09,100 | 最大的專業價值 |
| 01:05:09,100 | 01:05:11,100 | 我想在AI的時代 |
| 01:05:11,100 | 01:05:14,100 | 我們第一已經要很明確 |
| 01:05:14,100 | 01:05:17,100 | 我們不能再把學生打造成同一個樣子 |
| 01:05:17,100 | 01:05:21,100 | 那當然老師也不能讓他們是同一個樣子 |
| 01:05:21,100 | 01:05:24,100 | 最後本席也要明確的表達 |
| 01:05:24,100 | 01:05:28,100 | 我支持在大學法當中設置學生會專章 |
| 01:05:28,100 | 01:05:30,100 | 法律應該明定 |
| 01:05:30,100 | 01:05:33,100 | 大學必須協助學生 |
| 01:05:33,100 | 01:05:39,100 | 成立由全校學生民主選舉產生的學生會 |
| 01:05:39,100 | 01:05:42,100 | 並保障學生會在組織人事 |
| 01:05:42,100 | 01:05:45,100 | 人事、財務尤其是財務 |
| 01:05:45,100 | 01:05:49,100 | 當中的自由意見表達上的獨立性 |
| 01:05:49,100 | 01:05:52,100 | 今天學校支持學生成立學生會 |
| 01:05:52,100 | 01:05:54,100 | 請問資源有沒有對等 |
| 01:05:54,100 | 01:05:57,100 | 資源有沒有平等 |
| 01:05:57,100 | 01:06:01,100 | 會不會有的學校掌握了特定的資源條件 |
| 01:06:01,100 | 01:06:05,100 | 反而變成民主的聲音 |
| 01:06:05,100 | 01:06:07,100 | 是受到控制的 |
| 01:06:07,100 | 01:06:09,100 | 我想這個也不是一個學生會 |
| 01:06:09,100 | 01:06:11,100 | 跟學生自治存在的意義跟目的 |
| 01:06:11,100 | 01:06:14,100 | 所以學生自治要真的自治 |
| 01:06:14,100 | 01:06:16,100 | 要真的獨立 |
| 01:06:16,100 | 01:06:20,100 | 不應該是學校給予學生的優惠或恩惠 |
| 01:06:20,100 | 01:06:24,100 | 而是民主教育本身就不可或缺的一環 |
| 01:06:24,100 | 01:06:25,100 | 我再一次說 |
| 01:06:25,100 | 01:06:30,100 | 這是胡適當年幾十年前就在爭取的權益 |
| 01:06:30,100 | 01:06:32,100 | 我們到了2026年 |
| 01:06:32,100 | 01:06:35,100 | 竟然學生還在殷殷期盼 |
| 01:06:35,100 | 01:06:38,100 | 多麼可悲多麼可惜 |
| 01:06:38,100 | 01:06:40,100 | 學生透過選舉意識 |
| 01:06:40,100 | 01:06:42,100 | 協商監督與公共參與 |
| 01:06:42,100 | 01:06:44,100 | 學習如何承擔責任 |
| 01:06:44,100 | 01:06:45,100 | 如何尊重不同的意見 |
| 01:06:45,100 | 01:06:48,100 | 也學習如何共同解決的問題 |
| 01:06:48,100 | 01:06:50,100 | 一所真正進步的大學 |
| 01:06:50,100 | 01:06:53,100 | 真正民主的教育體系 |
| 01:06:53,100 | 01:06:55,100 | 不會害怕學生說話 |
| 01:06:55,100 | 01:06:58,100 | 不會害怕有意見的人發聲 |
| 01:06:58,100 | 01:07:03,100 | 也不會不聆聽一線教師在行政上的建議 |
| 01:07:03,100 | 01:07:06,100 | 一所真正有自信的大學 |
| 01:07:06,100 | 01:07:08,100 | 更不會把學生自治視為麻煩 |
| 01:07:08,100 | 01:07:10,100 | 因為願意傾聽 |
| 01:07:10,100 | 01:07:12,100 | 願意容納不同的意見 |
| 01:07:12,100 | 01:07:18,100 | 本身就是大學在學習與教導最重要的精神 |
| 01:07:18,100 | 01:07:20,100 | 那這一次大學法的修法 |
| 01:07:20,100 | 01:07:22,100 | 絕對不是只是一部法律 |
| 01:07:22,100 | 01:07:27,100 | 我們主要就是要能夠決定未來的大學 |
| 01:07:27,100 | 01:07:29,100 | 到底要走向哪一個方向 |
| 01:07:29,100 | 01:07:30,100 | 不只是今年 |
| 01:07:30,100 | 01:07:31,100 | 不只是明年 |
| 01:07:31,100 | 01:07:32,100 | 甚至是後年 |
| 01:07:32,100 | 01:07:33,100 | 三年 |
| 01:07:33,100 | 01:07:34,100 | 五年 |
| 01:07:34,100 | 01:07:35,100 | 十年 |
| 01:07:35,100 | 01:07:36,100 | 未來的大學 |
| 01:07:36,100 | 01:07:38,100 | 未來台灣的競爭力 |
| 01:07:38,100 | 01:07:39,100 | 我們都說 |
| 01:07:39,100 | 01:07:41,100 | Education is the silver bullet |
| 01:07:41,100 | 01:07:45,100 | 教育就是那一顆解決一切問題的子彈 |
| 01:07:45,100 | 01:07:48,100 | 這一把槍這一把子彈 |
| 01:07:48,100 | 01:07:50,100 | 這整個系統 |
| 01:07:50,100 | 01:07:53,100 | 我們一定要透過這次的大學法的修法 |
| 01:07:53,100 | 01:07:56,100 | 能夠把它全面的優化 |
| 01:07:56,100 | 01:07:58,100 | 我們到底要選擇封閉 |
| 01:07:58,100 | 01:08:00,100 | 還是選擇開放 |
| 01:08:00,100 | 01:08:01,100 | 我們要選擇黑箱 |
| 01:08:01,100 | 01:08:02,100 | 還是要選擇透明 |
| 01:08:02,100 | 01:08:04,100 | 我們要選擇少數人決定 |
| 01:08:04,100 | 01:08:07,100 | 還是要選擇民主的共同治理 |
| 01:08:07,100 | 01:08:09,100 | 我們要選擇行政的控制 |
| 01:08:09,100 | 01:08:11,100 | 還是真正的學術自主 |
| 01:08:11,100 | 01:08:14,100 | 我們要尊重教師真正教學的能量 |
| 01:08:14,100 | 01:08:17,100 | 還是要把教師投入暗無天日 |
| 01:08:17,100 | 01:08:20,100 | 一個又一個的截稿日期當中 |
| 01:08:20,100 | 01:08:24,100 | 我想這個把學生當成被管理者 |
| 01:08:24,100 | 01:08:26,100 | 不應該是正確的 |
| 01:08:26,100 | 01:08:30,100 | 而應該要是民主社會的縮影 |
| 01:08:30,100 | 01:08:32,100 | 也就是大學院校 |
| 01:08:32,100 | 01:08:33,100 | 大專院校 |
| 01:08:33,100 | 01:08:34,100 | 真正的參與者 |
| 01:08:34,100 | 01:08:37,100 | 我相信透過我們這樣的討論 |
| 01:08:37,100 | 01:08:39,100 | 各界的答案都會非常的清楚 |
| 01:08:39,100 | 01:08:41,100 | 更民主更透明的大學 |
| 01:08:41,100 | 01:08:43,100 | 更尊重教師的大學 |
| 01:08:43,100 | 01:08:45,100 | 更相信學生的大學 |
| 01:08:45,100 | 01:08:48,100 | 支持學生參與公共事務的大學 |
| 01:08:48,100 | 01:08:50,100 | 有真正學生會的大學 |
| 01:08:50,100 | 01:08:53,100 | 有尊重教師權益的大學 |
| 01:08:53,100 | 01:08:55,100 | 能夠在行政會議上 |
| 01:08:55,100 | 01:08:57,100 | 針對重要議題 |
| 01:08:57,100 | 01:09:00,100 | 真正的來發表意見跟討論的大學 |
| 01:09:00,100 | 01:09:02,100 | 我想這樣的校園民主 |
| 01:09:02,100 | 01:09:05,100 | 在第一天就應該存在 |
| 01:09:05,100 | 01:09:08,100 | 而不是在現在我們還在討論它 |
| 01:09:08,100 | 01:09:10,100 | 還在期盼它 |
| 01:09:10,100 | 01:09:12,100 | 學術民主需要大家一起爭取 |
| 01:09:12,100 | 01:09:14,100 | 那我們透過這次的修法 |
| 01:09:14,100 | 01:09:16,100 | 把教師專業拿回來 |
| 01:09:16,100 | 01:09:19,100 | 把學生的權利還給學生 |
| 01:09:19,100 | 01:09:22,100 | 把大學的未來交還給大學裡的每一個人 |
| 01:09:22,100 | 01:09:24,100 | 民主不要只是留在我們的想像 |
| 01:09:24,100 | 01:09:28,100 | 跟教科書或不是當年的理想裡面 |
| 01:09:28,100 | 01:09:30,100 | 而是要真正落實在每一所大學 |
| 01:09:30,100 | 01:09:32,100 | 每一場會議 |
| 01:09:32,100 | 01:09:34,100 | 跟每一個師生共同做出的決定 |
| 01:09:34,100 | 01:09:38,100 | 我想也希望今天要實質的來審查 |
| 01:09:38,100 | 01:09:41,100 | 我也希望我們真的有排案 |
| 01:09:41,100 | 01:09:43,100 | 就應該要能夠期盼 |
| 01:09:43,100 | 01:09:45,100 | 他要能夠審議通過 |
| 01:09:45,100 | 01:09:47,100 | 否則我想這樣子的一個過程 |
| 01:09:47,100 | 01:09:49,100 | 大家會相當的失望 |
| 01:09:49,100 | 01:09:51,100 | 總之還是祝福 |
| 01:09:51,100 | 01:09:53,100 | 今天的修法過程一切順利 |
| 01:09:53,100 | 01:09:55,100 | 也能夠圓滿的通過 |
| 01:09:55,100 | 01:09:56,100 | 謝謝 |
| 01:09:56,100 | 01:10:00,100 | 好 非常感謝葛如君委員的寶貴意見 |
| 01:10:00,100 | 01:10:02,100 | 那是不是也請教育部這邊 |
| 01:10:02,100 | 01:10:04,100 | 針對葛如君委員的發言 |
| 01:10:04,100 | 01:10:06,100 | 做出具體的回應 |
| 01:10:09,100 | 01:10:11,100 | 好 請司長 |
| 01:10:11,100 | 01:10:13,100 | 趙偉還有各位委員 |
| 01:10:13,100 | 01:10:15,100 | 針對剛才葛如君委員的一個提問 |
| 01:10:15,100 | 01:10:17,100 | 主要是在校務會議 |
| 01:10:17,100 | 01:10:19,100 | 我們第15條當中 |
| 01:10:19,100 | 01:10:22,100 | 校務會議其實是一絕學校重大事務事項的 |
| 01:10:22,100 | 01:10:24,100 | 一個非常重要的場域 |
| 01:10:24,100 | 01:10:27,100 | 那也確實在校務會議的一個組成當中 |
| 01:10:27,100 | 01:10:30,100 | 有關於學生代表 教師代表 |
| 01:10:30,100 | 01:10:32,100 | 甚至所謂的職員代表 |
| 01:10:32,100 | 01:10:34,100 | 都在我們的相關規範當中 |
| 01:10:34,100 | 01:10:37,100 | 那剛才各位委員所提到的第一個問題 |
| 01:10:37,100 | 01:10:39,100 | 就是學生代表的一個問題 |
| 01:10:39,100 | 01:10:43,100 | 那在經過了跟所謂的學校協進會的代表 |
| 01:10:43,100 | 01:10:46,100 | 以及學生團體不斷的一個溝通 |
| 01:10:46,100 | 01:10:48,100 | 當然學生團體是希望以五分之一 |
| 01:10:48,100 | 01:10:50,100 | 作為終極的一個目標 |
| 01:10:50,100 | 01:10:53,100 | 但是我們也考量到所謂的實務 |
| 01:10:53,100 | 01:10:56,100 | 學校整體的校務的一個運作 |
| 01:10:56,100 | 01:10:58,100 | 以及校務會議的一個進行 |
| 01:10:58,100 | 01:11:01,100 | 那在相關的一個比例當中呢 |
| 01:11:01,100 | 01:11:06,100 | 現在目前比較有共識的是兩件事情 |
| 01:11:06,100 | 01:11:10,100 | 第一個是採漸進提高比例的一個方式 |
| 01:11:10,100 | 01:11:13,100 | 那所謂漸進提高的比例的方式就是說 |
| 01:11:13,100 | 01:11:15,100 | 不可能一步到位到五分之一 |
| 01:11:15,100 | 01:11:19,100 | 這是可能是一個未來最理想的一個狀況 |
| 01:11:19,100 | 01:11:21,100 | 但是在這個過程當中 |
| 01:11:21,100 | 01:11:24,100 | 有關於比例的一個提升 |
| 01:11:24,100 | 01:11:28,100 | 不管是在學校所謂的學校協進會 |
| 01:11:28,100 | 01:11:30,100 | 或者是學生團體都有共識 |
| 01:11:30,100 | 01:11:33,100 | 那成如剛才各位委員所說的八分之一 |
| 01:11:33,100 | 01:11:37,100 | 是目前比較有共識的一個範圍 |
| 01:11:37,100 | 01:11:42,100 | 那至於說有些學校可能可以再稍微的往上邁進 |
| 01:11:42,100 | 01:11:44,100 | 那這個部裡頭可以來思考 |
| 01:11:44,100 | 01:11:46,100 | 怎麼樣來引導這個學校 |
| 01:11:46,100 | 01:11:50,100 | 來鼓勵學生的一個比例的一個提高 |
| 01:11:50,100 | 01:11:52,100 | 那第二點有關於教師代表 |
| 01:11:52,100 | 01:11:54,100 | 教師其實在學校當中 |
| 01:11:54,100 | 01:11:57,100 | 是一個非常重要的所謂的利害關係人 |
| 01:11:57,100 | 01:12:02,100 | 那整個學校在我們現行的規定當中 |
| 01:12:02,100 | 01:12:05,100 | 教師代表就是不得少於所謂的 |
| 01:12:05,100 | 01:12:08,100 | 校務會議的二分之一 |
| 01:12:08,100 | 01:12:11,100 | 那未兼行政職的一個這個部分呢 |
| 01:12:11,100 | 01:12:15,100 | 確實如果要能夠充分反應教師的意見 |
| 01:12:15,100 | 01:12:19,100 | 那這個教師未兼行政職的一個教師比例 |
| 01:12:19,100 | 01:12:21,100 | 提高的一個部分呢 |
| 01:12:21,100 | 01:12:26,100 | 我們在跟相關利害關係團體的一個會商之後呢 |
| 01:12:26,100 | 01:12:30,100 | 都有一個共識是可以提高這個未兼行政職 |
| 01:12:30,100 | 01:12:34,100 | 但是要首先要去定義什麼叫做未兼行政職 |
| 01:12:34,100 | 01:12:37,100 | 因為有一些是法定上面的一個職務 |
| 01:12:37,100 | 01:12:40,100 | 比如說教評會的主委啦這一些 |
| 01:12:40,100 | 01:12:43,100 | 算不算是行政職相關的團體都建議 |
| 01:12:43,100 | 01:12:45,100 | 我們這一個部分要去思考 |
| 01:12:45,100 | 01:12:49,100 | 那第二個要考量到教師團體的代表的這個部分呢 |
| 01:12:49,100 | 01:12:52,100 | 是屬於學校規模的不同 |
| 01:12:52,100 | 01:12:55,100 | 有些學校的教師數就比較少 |
| 01:12:55,100 | 01:13:01,100 | 他會兼任到行政職的這個部分比例就相當的高 |
| 01:13:01,100 | 01:13:04,100 | 那在這個部分呢學校團體是有建議 |
| 01:13:04,100 | 01:13:09,100 | 如果說要把這一個未兼行政職的教師比例 |
| 01:13:09,100 | 01:13:11,100 | 明文化明確化之後呢 |
| 01:13:11,100 | 01:13:14,100 | 也應該要有相關的配套措施 |
| 01:13:14,100 | 01:13:18,100 | 來協助這一些教師人數規模比較少的一個問題 |
| 01:13:18,100 | 01:13:23,100 | 那再來葛委員剛才提示到的就是有關於教師評鑑 |
| 01:13:23,100 | 01:13:26,100 | 那所有的不管不理頭的立場也好 |
| 01:13:26,100 | 01:13:29,100 | 或者是學校協進會的立場也好 |
| 01:13:29,100 | 01:13:33,100 | 我們都認為說要支持教師的專業發展 |
| 01:13:33,100 | 01:13:38,100 | 所以教師專業發展如何把它納入到現行的一個評鑑當中 |
| 01:13:38,100 | 01:13:40,100 | 那謝謝委員剛才也有提到 |
| 01:13:40,100 | 01:13:45,100 | 你也確實觀察到說雖然現在有所謂的多元升等的一個機制 |
| 01:13:45,100 | 01:13:50,100 | 但是學校現在可能都還是以所謂的研究 |
| 01:13:50,100 | 01:13:54,100 | 將做所謂的主要的一個升等考量 |
| 01:13:54,100 | 01:13:58,100 | 那這個不理頭其實也花了非常多的一個心力 |
| 01:13:58,100 | 01:14:02,100 | 在引導學校做所謂的多元升等 |
| 01:14:02,100 | 01:14:05,100 | 比如說現在已經可以用技術報告 |
| 01:14:05,100 | 01:14:11,100 | 他的成就證明相關的這些來替代他的研究論文的一個發表 |
| 01:14:11,100 | 01:14:18,100 | 那未來在教師評鑑當中如何以輔導教師精進他的專業 |
| 01:14:18,100 | 01:14:25,100 | 而不是以所謂的懲罰性的就是解聘或者是不續聘老師 |
| 01:14:25,100 | 01:14:28,100 | 這個是我們在教師評鑑當中 |
| 01:14:28,100 | 01:14:35,100 | 跟所謂的學校協進會跟教師團體都取得很高度的共識 |
| 01:14:35,100 | 01:14:41,100 | 應該是以支持教師的一個發展為未來的一個規劃 |
| 01:14:41,100 | 01:14:43,100 | 還有引導的一個方向 |
| 01:14:43,100 | 01:14:46,100 | 那不理頭其實也有過去多次的函文 |
| 01:14:46,100 | 01:14:49,100 | 學校不可以將跟教師任務 |
| 01:14:49,100 | 01:14:55,100 | 比如說教學服務研究輔導無關的事項列入評鑑事項 |
| 01:14:55,100 | 01:15:06,100 | 所以我們過去有發過函示學校不可以把招生列為老師評鑑的所謂的正向表列指標 |
| 01:15:06,100 | 01:15:09,100 | 也不可以將老師的募款當成是正向指標 |
| 01:15:09,100 | 01:15:13,100 | 這個不理頭都多次函文禁止這樣的一個事件 |
| 01:15:13,100 | 01:15:19,100 | 表示教育部的立場其實是堅定在支持教師專業發展上面的 |
| 01:15:19,100 | 01:15:23,100 | 那有關於學生會的一個專章 |
| 01:15:23,100 | 01:15:25,100 | 這個謝謝委員 |
| 01:15:25,100 | 01:15:32,100 | 這個有關於我們也肯認說學生的自治跟學生參與校務的一個權利 |
| 01:15:32,100 | 01:15:34,100 | 那怎麼樣全力來輔導 |
| 01:15:34,100 | 01:15:38,100 | 就是協助學生能夠在自治當中 |
| 01:15:38,100 | 01:15:42,100 | 在不違反法令的狀況之下尊重學生會的一個設立 |
| 01:15:42,100 | 01:15:48,100 | 甚至當學校的學生會沒有辦法真正的成立或有代表性的時候 |
| 01:15:48,100 | 01:15:55,100 | 我們的相關司處署也會提供相關的培力課程來協助學生會的一個成立 |
| 01:15:55,100 | 01:16:01,100 | 那我們主要為什麼剛才會跟委員還有各位委員回報就是說 |
| 01:16:01,100 | 01:16:05,100 | 在不違反法令狀況下其實實務上之前有出現過案例 |
| 01:16:05,100 | 01:16:08,100 | 可能學生會用了不妥適的詞彙 |
| 01:16:08,100 | 01:16:14,100 | 比如說搜索這樣子的一個詞彙在他們的相關學生會的章則當中 |
| 01:16:14,100 | 01:16:18,100 | 那這個學校就有義務來協助學生 |
| 01:16:18,100 | 01:16:24,100 | 讓他們的學生會在法規人事財務方面健全的一個狀況之下 |
| 01:16:24,100 | 01:16:27,100 | 來參與校務的一個經營 |
| 01:16:27,100 | 01:16:34,100 | 這個其實都是部裡頭會商過學校協定會 |
| 01:16:34,100 | 01:16:37,100 | 跟學生團體教師團體所得出來的結論 |
| 01:16:37,100 | 01:16:40,100 | 其實跟剛才委員建議的方向是一致的 |
| 01:16:40,100 | 01:16:46,100 | 好唷剛才委員有講到公私立校長遴選的問題 |
| 01:16:46,100 | 01:16:51,100 | 這一點必須要講就是說真的要從公立學校跟私立學校 |
| 01:16:51,100 | 01:16:55,100 | 因為畢竟私立學校是依據私立學校法來設立 |
| 01:16:55,100 | 01:16:59,100 | 他在私立學校法當中就已經明確規範說 |
| 01:16:59,100 | 01:17:04,100 | 校長是由董事會遴選所產生 |
| 01:17:04,100 | 01:17:08,100 | 那至於遴選的一個機制跟方式 |
| 01:17:08,100 | 01:17:13,100 | 適度的納入教師或學生的代表這個是可以討論的 |
| 01:17:13,100 | 01:17:17,100 | 但是私立學校建議是不是在保有所謂的 |
| 01:17:17,100 | 01:17:23,100 | 董事會跟校長之間權責關係 |
| 01:17:23,100 | 01:17:27,100 | 還有他們的公共性跟主管系的這個部分 |
| 01:17:27,100 | 01:17:33,100 | 能夠讓這個彈性還是回歸到所謂的校長遴選委員會 |
| 01:17:33,100 | 01:17:39,100 | 去制定出比較能夠納入教師跟學生代表的一個基本規範 |
| 01:17:39,100 | 01:17:46,100 | 那以上是針對那個葛委員的發言來進行回應謝謝 |
| 01:17:49,100 | 01:17:56,100 | 剛才那個部長他有表示說他想補充一點意見 |
| 01:17:56,100 | 01:18:01,100 | 雖然發言有點長但是葛委員OK吧好請 |
| 01:18:02,100 | 01:18:06,100 | 謝謝葛委員的一個指正跟提醒 |
| 01:18:06,100 | 01:18:09,100 | 我基本上是非常同意大學應該多元 |
| 01:18:09,100 | 01:18:11,100 | 應該是容納不同的聲音 |
| 01:18:11,100 | 01:18:17,100 | 請聽不同的意見容納多元的這個聲音是從我的觀點 |
| 01:18:17,100 | 01:18:24,100 | 我一個在過去大學學校的一個教育工作者跟大學的治理者 |
| 01:18:24,100 | 01:18:30,100 | 我一直深信那是一個大學之所以偉大的珍貴資產 |
| 01:18:30,100 | 01:18:32,100 | 他必須要包容不同的聲音 |
| 01:18:32,100 | 01:18:36,100 | 那我想這一個也謝謝葛委員的一個提醒 |
| 01:18:36,100 | 01:18:42,100 | 這也是我們在大學法裡面在修理免護在提許多不同團體 |
| 01:18:42,100 | 01:18:47,100 | 包含委員剛才所提的教育部事實上現在已經定了 |
| 01:18:47,100 | 01:18:53,100 | 我們過去一直認為我們只是象牙大學裡面曾經是被批評為象牙塔 |
| 01:18:53,100 | 01:18:56,100 | 只有知道做研究不知道社會關懷 |
| 01:18:57,100 | 01:19:03,100 | 所以當大學在改變教育部許多的政策也做了這個以實俱進 |
| 01:19:03,100 | 01:19:06,100 | 譬如說他強調可以研究升等 |
| 01:19:06,100 | 01:19:11,100 | 他可以教學升等他可以產學升等這個辦法也都定了 |
| 01:19:11,100 | 01:19:16,100 | 但是我們也確實看到了陳主委員所觀察到 |
| 01:19:16,100 | 01:19:20,100 | 大學裡邊他還存在的一個各個學校 |
| 01:19:20,100 | 01:19:25,100 | 各個學校這裡邊讓我看到了圖法不足以自行 |
| 01:19:25,100 | 01:19:30,100 | 也就是說大學裡邊還是先傾向大概七成到八成 |
| 01:19:30,100 | 01:19:33,100 | 還是傾向用研究再升等 |
| 01:19:33,100 | 01:19:36,100 | 所以我其實也利用這個機會要拜託委員 |
| 01:19:36,100 | 01:19:42,100 | 看有沒有什麼樣的一個方式能夠讓學校裡邊真正能夠海納百川 |
| 01:19:42,100 | 01:19:49,100 | 對那些真正認真追星於學術研究或者產學合作 |
| 01:19:49,100 | 01:19:55,100 | 或者在許多的教學上的用心的能夠讓他們也能夠專業的發展 |
| 01:19:55,100 | 01:20:00,100 | 在大學裡邊也能夠有他的一個安身立命的一個地方 |
| 01:20:00,100 | 01:20:02,100 | 我想這一個部分也要拜託 |
| 01:20:02,100 | 01:20:07,100 | 那另外我想委員也關心也是學生團體非常關心的就是說 |
| 01:20:07,100 | 01:20:12,100 | 確實我們現在目前的這個學生代表是十分之一 |
| 01:20:12,100 | 01:20:15,100 | 那麼學生也希望說從五分之一 |
| 01:20:15,100 | 01:20:21,100 | 能夠逐步的看怎麼樣最好能夠到五分之一的這樣一個方向 |
| 01:20:21,100 | 01:20:25,100 | 跟閣委員的一個觀點也是不謀而合 |
| 01:20:25,100 | 01:20:33,100 | 以目前來看大學裡邊他確實因為公司力因為規模的大小不同 |
| 01:20:33,100 | 01:20:38,100 | 所以加上許多學生我們也觀察到大學裡邊 |
| 01:20:38,100 | 01:20:41,100 | 學生雖然他校務會議代表 |
| 01:20:41,100 | 01:20:45,100 | 可是他們也很清楚他們的角色在上課裡邊 |
| 01:20:45,100 | 01:20:48,100 | 當校務會議有時候排課的時候 |
| 01:20:48,100 | 01:20:52,100 | 九點開始開會這個到十點他可以參與 |
| 01:20:52,100 | 01:20:55,100 | 但是十二點他剛好有課 |
| 01:20:55,100 | 01:21:00,100 | 他可能就選擇這一個離開這一個校務會議的會場 |
| 01:21:00,100 | 01:21:04,100 | 諸如種種的也有一些學生他們希望 |
| 01:21:04,100 | 01:21:07,100 | 看怎麼樣能夠充分納入學生的意見 |
| 01:21:07,100 | 01:21:12,100 | 但是這一個考慮到學校的規模學校的學生人數 |
| 01:21:12,100 | 01:21:17,100 | 是不是在這邊能夠有一個比較以時俱進的一個 |
| 01:21:17,100 | 01:21:20,100 | 逐步漸進的這樣一個方式 |
| 01:21:20,100 | 01:21:25,100 | 所以委員剛才看到的一個八分之一確實也是我們目前 |
| 01:21:25,100 | 01:21:31,100 | 在不管校長團體學員團大家認為是相對是一個比較穩定 |
| 01:21:31,100 | 01:21:33,100 | 逐漸發展的一個數字 |
| 01:21:33,100 | 01:21:40,100 | 我想這也是利用這個機會讓委員們做這樣一個補充 |
| 01:21:40,100 | 01:21:47,100 | 那我特別要提的就是說剛才這個市長也特別提到 |
| 01:21:47,100 | 01:21:50,100 | 比如說我們其實也一直在思考 |
| 01:21:50,100 | 01:21:55,100 | 比如說沒有兼任行政的老師在校會裡邊 |
| 01:21:55,100 | 01:21:58,100 | 要不要有一個訂定一個指標不得超過多少 |
| 01:21:58,100 | 01:22:02,100 | 但是這裡邊也確實也在我們認定上 |
| 01:22:02,100 | 01:22:07,100 | 也要請委員再給我們指導的就是說行政工作 |
| 01:22:07,100 | 01:22:11,100 | 教務行政因為隨著校長的遴選教務行政總務 |
| 01:22:11,100 | 01:22:17,100 | 或者研發這樣的很典型的我們一般很清楚的學校的行政人員 |
| 01:22:17,100 | 01:22:22,100 | 他多少比例不得超過多少比例進入到校務會議 |
| 01:22:22,100 | 01:22:26,100 | 我想這是大學裡邊有一定的共識 |
| 01:22:26,100 | 01:22:28,100 | 是不得低於多少比例吧 |
| 01:22:28,100 | 01:22:34,100 | 是那我的意思說就是說行政人員不得超過多少 |
| 01:22:34,100 | 01:22:36,100 | 那這個大家都有共識的 |
| 01:22:36,100 | 01:22:40,100 | 但是大學裡邊也有另外一種聲音是說 |
| 01:22:40,100 | 01:22:43,100 | 我學術的並不是你校長指派的 |
| 01:22:43,100 | 01:22:48,100 | 學術是選的系所主管院長都是選的 |
| 01:22:48,100 | 01:22:52,100 | 那今天因為學校的規模大 |
| 01:22:52,100 | 01:22:56,100 | 事實上也不是每一個系所主管跟所長 |
| 01:22:56,100 | 01:22:59,100 | 一定可以當所謂的校務會的代表 |
| 01:22:59,100 | 01:23:03,100 | 所以他們也是院裡邊系所顯出來的老師 |
| 01:23:03,100 | 01:23:07,100 | 他是用老師的身分不是系所主管等等 |
| 01:23:07,100 | 01:23:12,100 | 這些要怎麼認定他算不算行政兼行政的老師 |
| 01:23:12,100 | 01:23:16,100 | 這個我想也利用這個機會提供給委員們做參考 |
| 01:23:16,100 | 01:23:17,100 | 以上補充 |
| 01:23:17,100 | 01:23:18,100 | 我快速回應謝主委 |
| 01:23:18,100 | 01:23:21,100 | 謝主委待會因為羅廷瑋委員剛剛比較早舉手 |
| 01:23:21,100 | 01:23:22,100 | 待會他要補充 |
| 01:23:22,100 | 01:23:25,100 | 然後我簡短回應我想部長剛才講 |
| 01:23:25,100 | 01:23:27,100 | 土法不足以自行 |
| 01:23:27,100 | 01:23:30,100 | 為什麼因為沒有教育部沒有辦法行 |
| 01:23:30,100 | 01:23:31,100 | 我覺得教育部要硬起來 |
| 01:23:31,100 | 01:23:33,100 | 我覺得剛剛各位的回應 |
| 01:23:33,100 | 01:23:37,100 | 有誠意但沒有實質 |
| 01:23:37,100 | 01:23:40,100 | 就是說你不能講說我們有函事 |
| 01:23:40,100 | 01:23:42,100 | 我們有這樣要求 |
| 01:23:42,100 | 01:23:43,100 | 我們有這樣提供 |
| 01:23:43,100 | 01:23:45,100 | 我們有這樣子的方向 |
| 01:23:45,100 | 01:23:47,100 | 我們要漸進 |
| 01:23:47,100 | 01:23:50,100 | 然後我們來思考 |
| 01:23:50,100 | 01:23:54,100 | 可是部長您在特定的議題上踩得很硬 |
| 01:23:54,100 | 01:23:55,100 | 禁止就是禁止 |
| 01:23:55,100 | 01:23:58,100 | 所以我覺得大學這裡 |
| 01:23:58,100 | 01:23:59,100 | 我覺得我們在修 |
| 01:23:59,100 | 01:24:01,100 | 我們就希望這次要清楚 |
| 01:24:01,100 | 01:24:03,100 | 而且教育部要硬起來 |
| 01:24:03,100 | 01:24:08,100 | 不要到最後我剛剛聽到的很多都是我們在解釋 |
| 01:24:08,100 | 01:24:09,100 | 為什麼會發生這個現象 |
| 01:24:09,100 | 01:24:10,100 | 為什麼會發生這個現象 |
| 01:24:10,100 | 01:24:11,100 | 大家都知道 |
| 01:24:11,100 | 01:24:12,100 | 怎麼解決 |
| 01:24:12,100 | 01:24:13,100 | 怎麼優化 |
| 01:24:13,100 | 01:24:15,100 | 我想這是我們待會最重要的 |
| 01:24:15,100 | 01:24:17,100 | 我還是希望牛肉要端出來 |
| 01:24:17,100 | 01:24:18,100 | 不然我們聽到的時候說 |
| 01:24:18,100 | 01:24:20,100 | 因為學校人數比較少 |
| 01:24:20,100 | 01:24:22,100 | 所以行政人數的間 |
| 01:24:22,100 | 01:24:24,100 | 我們各位都是教育的專家 |
| 01:24:24,100 | 01:24:25,100 | 你們都知道怎麼解決 |
| 01:24:25,100 | 01:24:27,100 | 各國是如何處理的 |
| 01:24:27,100 | 01:24:29,100 | 行政人員就要有專職行政人員 |
| 01:24:29,100 | 01:24:31,100 | 你現在跟我講這個 |
| 01:24:31,100 | 01:24:33,100 | 學生要上課沒有辦法參加校務會議 |
| 01:24:33,100 | 01:24:35,100 | 這個已經討論N百年了 |
| 01:24:35,100 | 01:24:37,100 | 那這就是要來處理的事情 |
| 01:24:37,100 | 01:24:39,100 | 你現在又來這裡提出 |
| 01:24:39,100 | 01:24:41,100 | 我想這不是你們的本意 |
| 01:24:41,100 | 01:24:42,100 | 我想時間 |
| 01:24:42,100 | 01:24:43,100 | 我想時間 |
| 01:24:43,100 | 01:24:45,100 | 羅天后委員這裡要 |
| 01:24:45,100 | 01:24:46,100 | 因為他剛剛比較早舉手 |
| 01:24:46,100 | 01:24:47,100 | 早舉手 |
| 01:24:47,100 | 01:24:49,100 | 我能不能補充一下 |
| 01:24:49,100 | 01:24:50,100 | 跟委員 |
| 01:24:50,100 | 01:24:51,100 | 其實我 |
| 01:24:51,100 | 01:24:52,100 | 其實我 |
| 01:24:52,100 | 01:24:53,100 | 只是把問題 |
| 01:24:53,100 | 01:24:54,100 | 讓委員能夠說 |
| 01:24:54,100 | 01:24:56,100 | 看有沒有什麼比較好的 |
| 01:24:56,100 | 01:24:58,100 | 我並沒有在迴避問題 |
| 01:24:58,100 | 01:24:59,100 | 謝謝部長 |
| 01:24:59,100 | 01:25:02,100 | 我也肯定委員說大學是正義人 |
| 01:25:02,100 | 01:25:03,100 | 對吧 |
| 01:25:03,100 | 01:25:05,100 | 他是一個珍貴的資產 |
| 01:25:05,100 | 01:25:07,100 | 謝謝部長 |
| 01:25:07,100 | 01:25:08,100 | 好來 |
| 01:25:08,100 | 01:25:10,100 | 那個本來是蔡村雄委員 |
| 01:25:10,100 | 01:25:11,100 | 但是因為 |
| 01:25:11,100 | 01:25:12,100 | 羅昭偉已經 |
| 01:25:12,100 | 01:25:13,100 | 舉手很多次 |
| 01:25:13,100 | 01:25:15,100 | 我把我的時間讓給葉元之 |
| 01:25:17,100 | 01:25:18,100 | 真的嗎 |
| 01:25:18,100 | 01:25:19,100 | 那個我 |
| 01:25:19,100 | 01:25:20,100 | 我先確定一下 |
| 01:25:20,100 | 01:25:21,100 | 你說今天看到11點 |
| 01:25:21,100 | 01:25:22,100 | 對不對 |
| 01:25:22,100 | 01:25:23,100 | 對我先告到11點 |
| 01:25:23,100 | 01:25:24,100 | 那你現在一個委員 |
| 01:25:24,100 | 01:25:25,100 | 講這麼 |
| 01:25:25,100 | 01:25:27,100 | 就是花那麼長時間還要回復 |
| 01:25:27,100 | 01:25:29,100 | 那11點的時候到時候是繼續 |
| 01:25:29,100 | 01:25:31,100 | 還是就結束這個會 |
| 01:25:31,100 | 01:25:32,100 | 因為 |
| 01:25:32,100 | 01:25:33,100 | 我剛剛有說過 |
| 01:25:33,100 | 01:25:34,100 | 我知道 |
| 01:25:34,100 | 01:25:35,100 | 但問題是因為你現在處理 |
| 01:25:35,100 | 01:25:36,100 | 會議進行的方式 |
| 01:25:36,100 | 01:25:37,100 | 讓人家感覺好像 |
| 01:25:37,100 | 01:25:38,100 | 不是 |
| 01:25:38,100 | 01:25:40,100 | 那是剛才 |
| 01:25:40,100 | 01:25:41,100 | 是不是 |
| 01:25:41,100 | 01:25:42,100 | 那個 |
| 01:25:42,100 | 01:25:43,100 | 各位提出說 |
| 01:25:43,100 | 01:25:45,100 | 在進逐條之前 |
| 01:25:45,100 | 01:25:47,100 | 先要做大體討論 |
| 01:25:47,100 | 01:25:48,100 | 那 |
| 01:25:48,100 | 01:25:49,100 | 對啊大體 |
| 01:25:49,100 | 01:25:50,100 | 但大體討論你今天處理的方式 |
| 01:25:50,100 | 01:25:51,100 | 也蠻奇怪的 |
| 01:25:51,100 | 01:25:52,100 | 感覺 |
| 01:25:52,100 | 01:25:53,100 | 感覺先 |
| 01:25:53,100 | 01:25:54,100 | 感覺就是 |
| 01:25:54,100 | 01:25:55,100 | 很像質詢 |
| 01:25:55,100 | 01:25:57,100 | 那如果這樣子其實是會進行到 |
| 01:25:57,100 | 01:25:58,100 | 很緩慢 |
| 01:25:58,100 | 01:25:59,100 | 那你希望的方式是 |
| 01:25:59,100 | 01:26:00,100 | 我覺得 |
| 01:26:00,100 | 01:26:01,100 | 因為你 |
| 01:26:01,100 | 01:26:02,100 | 你說到11點 |
| 01:26:02,100 | 01:26:03,100 | 大家都尊重 |
| 01:26:03,100 | 01:26:04,100 | 是 |
| 01:26:04,100 | 01:26:05,100 | 那如果 |
| 01:26:05,100 | 01:26:06,100 | 用那種方式在冗長 |
| 01:26:06,100 | 01:26:07,100 | 我覺得好像 |
| 01:26:07,100 | 01:26:08,100 | 感覺這次 |
| 01:26:08,100 | 01:26:10,100 | 好像排的是質詢 |
| 01:26:10,100 | 01:26:11,100 | 不是一條 |
| 01:26:11,100 | 01:26:12,100 | 來 |
| 01:26:12,100 | 01:26:13,100 | 我說明一下 |
| 01:26:13,100 | 01:26:15,100 | 因為今天我們是排審查 |
| 01:26:15,100 | 01:26:16,100 | 對啊 |
| 01:26:16,100 | 01:26:17,100 | 那我剛才 |
| 01:26:17,100 | 01:26:18,100 | 有說明過 |
| 01:26:18,100 | 01:26:19,100 | 其實 |
| 01:26:19,100 | 01:26:20,100 | 這個 |
| 01:26:20,100 | 01:26:22,100 | 今天應該是 |
| 01:26:22,100 | 01:26:23,100 | 要考察 |
| 01:26:23,100 | 01:26:24,100 | 但是 |
| 01:26:24,100 | 01:26:25,100 | 回應 |
| 01:26:25,100 | 01:26:26,100 | 因為學生團體 |
| 01:26:26,100 | 01:26:28,100 | 他們非常的希望 |
| 01:26:28,100 | 01:26:30,100 | 在這個禮拜 |
| 01:26:30,100 | 01:26:32,100 | 能夠有所回應 |
| 01:26:32,100 | 01:26:34,100 | 所以我特別拉出 |
| 01:26:34,100 | 01:26:36,100 | 今天早上這個時間 |
| 01:26:36,100 | 01:26:37,100 | 希望 |
| 01:26:37,100 | 01:26:40,100 | 讓我們的整個大學法的進度 |
| 01:26:40,100 | 01:26:42,100 | 可以再往前走一步 |
| 01:26:42,100 | 01:26:44,100 | 所以我們之前做過巡達 |
| 01:26:44,100 | 01:26:46,100 | 也排了公聽會 |
| 01:26:46,100 | 01:26:47,100 | 所以現在 |
| 01:26:47,100 | 01:26:49,100 | 就是要進行逐條審查 |
| 01:26:49,100 | 01:26:51,100 | 但是在審查之前呢 |
| 01:26:51,100 | 01:26:52,100 | 剛才 |
| 01:26:52,100 | 01:26:53,100 | 有委員建議 |
| 01:26:53,100 | 01:26:56,100 | 還是要做充分的一個大體討論 |
| 01:26:56,100 | 01:26:58,100 | 我也有說 |
| 01:26:58,100 | 01:26:59,100 | 其實 |
| 01:26:59,100 | 01:27:02,100 | 本黨下一個會期的趙偉 |
| 01:27:02,100 | 01:27:04,100 | 他也很關心這個議題 |
| 01:27:04,100 | 01:27:06,100 | 所以這個不會中斷 |
| 01:27:06,100 | 01:27:07,100 | 這個請放心 |
| 01:27:07,100 | 01:27:08,100 | 那這樣子 |
| 01:27:08,100 | 01:27:09,100 | 因為看起來好像 |
| 01:27:09,100 | 01:27:11,100 | 今天也不會進入到逐條 |
| 01:27:11,100 | 01:27:14,100 | 我就提幾個想法 |
| 01:27:14,100 | 01:27:16,100 | 教育部到時候再回應就好 |
| 01:27:16,100 | 01:27:17,100 | 很簡單 |
| 01:27:17,100 | 01:27:18,100 | 不好意思 |
| 01:27:18,100 | 01:27:19,100 | 很快講一下 |
| 01:27:19,100 | 01:27:20,100 | 所以您不需要教育部回應 |
| 01:27:20,100 | 01:27:21,100 | 不用 |
| 01:27:21,100 | 01:27:22,100 | 第一個 |
| 01:27:22,100 | 01:27:23,100 | 這個學生團體的意見 |
| 01:27:23,100 | 01:27:24,100 | 我們都很尊重 |
| 01:27:24,100 | 01:27:25,100 | 也很重視 |
| 01:27:25,100 | 01:27:26,100 | 然後 |
| 01:27:26,100 | 01:27:27,100 | 當然他們希望 |
| 01:27:27,100 | 01:27:28,100 | 能夠納入 |
| 01:27:28,100 | 01:27:29,100 | 比如說 |
| 01:27:29,100 | 01:27:31,100 | 校務會議比例可以高一點 |
| 01:27:31,100 | 01:27:32,100 | 這個我覺得如果可行的話 |
| 01:27:32,100 | 01:27:33,100 | 也可以往那個方向 |
| 01:27:33,100 | 01:27:35,100 | 不過請教育部去稍微了解一下 |
| 01:27:35,100 | 01:27:37,100 | 就是學生參與 |
| 01:27:37,100 | 01:27:38,100 | 校務會議 |
| 01:27:38,100 | 01:27:39,100 | 或是其他的自治 |
| 01:27:39,100 | 01:27:40,100 | 到底出席率 |
| 01:27:40,100 | 01:27:42,100 | 踴躍程度到底是多少 |
| 01:27:42,100 | 01:27:43,100 | 我覺得這個部分先 |
| 01:27:43,100 | 01:27:45,100 | 先去了解一下好不好 |
| 01:27:45,100 | 01:27:46,100 | 給大家一個參考 |
| 01:27:46,100 | 01:27:48,100 | 那不然的話會不會 |
| 01:27:48,100 | 01:27:50,100 | 不需要回答就不用 |
| 01:27:50,100 | 01:27:51,100 | 不用 |
| 01:27:51,100 | 01:27:53,100 | 到時候資料再一併提給大家 |
| 01:27:53,100 | 01:27:54,100 | 好不好 |
| 01:27:54,100 | 01:27:55,100 | 這是一個部分 |
| 01:27:55,100 | 01:27:56,100 | 如果說 |
| 01:27:56,100 | 01:27:58,100 | 確實我們發現學生 |
| 01:27:58,100 | 01:28:00,100 | 他很願意投入到大學的治理 |
| 01:28:00,100 | 01:28:01,100 | 或各方面 |
| 01:28:01,100 | 01:28:03,100 | 然後是我們制度上不給他這個機會 |
| 01:28:03,100 | 01:28:05,100 | 那我就有改變的必要 |
| 01:28:05,100 | 01:28:06,100 | 這個教育部來處理一下 |
| 01:28:06,100 | 01:28:07,100 | 第二個 |
| 01:28:07,100 | 01:28:09,100 | 這次大學法的修法 |
| 01:28:09,100 | 01:28:11,100 | 也有牽涉到校長的遴選 |
| 01:28:11,100 | 01:28:12,100 | 這個部分 |
| 01:28:12,100 | 01:28:13,100 | 那 |
| 01:28:13,100 | 01:28:14,100 | 校長的遴選 |
| 01:28:14,100 | 01:28:15,100 | 最近也有一個問題 |
| 01:28:15,100 | 01:28:16,100 | 可能是個案 |
| 01:28:16,100 | 01:28:18,100 | 清大的一個校長 |
| 01:28:18,100 | 01:28:19,100 | 情於找馬 |
| 01:28:19,100 | 01:28:20,100 | 他 |
| 01:28:20,100 | 01:28:21,100 | 第二任期剛開始之後 |
| 01:28:21,100 | 01:28:22,100 | 就去夏威夷 |
| 01:28:22,100 | 01:28:23,100 | 大學去 |
| 01:28:23,100 | 01:28:24,100 | 去這個投鑑 |
| 01:28:24,100 | 01:28:26,100 | 那我是尊重 |
| 01:28:26,100 | 01:28:27,100 | 這個校長他的選擇 |
| 01:28:27,100 | 01:28:28,100 | 但是 |
| 01:28:28,100 | 01:28:29,100 | 為什麼會出現這個狀況 |
| 01:28:29,100 | 01:28:31,100 | 還是我們現在的 |
| 01:28:31,100 | 01:28:33,100 | 教育制度有出現什麼問題 |
| 01:28:33,100 | 01:28:34,100 | 讓 |
| 01:28:34,100 | 01:28:36,100 | 因為清大校長畢竟是還蠻 |
| 01:28:36,100 | 01:28:37,100 | 蠻 |
| 01:28:37,100 | 01:28:38,100 | 清大是很不錯的學校 |
| 01:28:38,100 | 01:28:40,100 | 為什麼好不容易領選上 |
| 01:28:40,100 | 01:28:41,100 | 就想要離開咧 |
| 01:28:41,100 | 01:28:42,100 | 是 |
| 01:28:42,100 | 01:28:43,100 | 我們的教學的 |
| 01:28:43,100 | 01:28:45,100 | 這個資源部文家嗎 |
| 01:28:45,100 | 01:28:46,100 | 還是 |
| 01:28:46,100 | 01:28:47,100 | 還是怎麼樣 |
| 01:28:47,100 | 01:28:48,100 | 然後還有就是這個校長 |
| 01:28:48,100 | 01:28:50,100 | 在領選的過程當中 |
| 01:28:50,100 | 01:28:51,100 | 有沒有揭露 |
| 01:28:51,100 | 01:28:52,100 | 就是他去 |
| 01:28:52,100 | 01:28:53,100 | 夏威夷的時候 |
| 01:28:53,100 | 01:28:54,100 | 有沒有揭露 |
| 01:28:54,100 | 01:28:55,100 | 就是不對 |
| 01:28:55,100 | 01:28:56,100 | 應該是說他在清大的領選 |
| 01:28:56,100 | 01:28:57,100 | 他在 |
| 01:28:57,100 | 01:28:58,100 | 應該是說他在 |
| 01:28:58,100 | 01:28:59,100 | 清大的領選過程中 |
| 01:28:59,100 | 01:29:01,100 | 有沒有揭露說他未來可能會去 |
| 01:29:01,100 | 01:29:02,100 | 其他學校 |
| 01:29:02,100 | 01:29:03,100 | 應聘等等 |
| 01:29:03,100 | 01:29:04,100 | 我是覺得這個 |
| 01:29:04,100 | 01:29:05,100 | 校長的 |
| 01:29:05,100 | 01:29:06,100 | 領選 |
| 01:29:06,100 | 01:29:07,100 | 領選過程重要 |
| 01:29:07,100 | 01:29:08,100 | 但是領選上 |
| 01:29:08,100 | 01:29:09,100 | 怎麼 |
| 01:29:09,100 | 01:29:10,100 | 怎麼留才也是很關鍵 |
| 01:29:10,100 | 01:29:11,100 | 以上謝謝 |
| 01:29:11,100 | 01:29:12,100 | 好 |
| 01:29:12,100 | 01:29:13,100 | 謝謝游園之委員 |
| 01:29:13,100 | 01:29:15,100 | 那所以剛才那一些意見 |
| 01:29:15,100 | 01:29:17,100 | 就是直接提供 |
| 01:29:17,100 | 01:29:19,100 | 本委員會一個書面的回應 |
| 01:29:19,100 | 01:29:21,100 | 好謝謝蔡春雄委員請 |
| 01:29:23,100 | 01:29:24,100 | 我是 |
| 01:29:24,100 | 01:29:25,100 | 要 |
| 01:29:25,100 | 01:29:26,100 | 建議 |
| 01:29:26,100 | 01:29:28,100 | 因為我們也希望 |
| 01:29:28,100 | 01:29:30,100 | 等一下能夠逐條 |
| 01:29:30,100 | 01:29:32,100 | 因為我們現在的那個法案 |
| 01:29:32,100 | 01:29:33,100 | 大概都是這幾條 |
| 01:29:33,100 | 01:29:35,100 | 那我們提出來的 |
| 01:29:35,100 | 01:29:36,100 | 一些問題 |
| 01:29:36,100 | 01:29:37,100 | 大同小異 |
| 01:29:37,100 | 01:29:39,100 | 如果你要一個一個這樣回答 |
| 01:29:39,100 | 01:29:42,100 | 我覺得我們時間會來不及 |
| 01:29:42,100 | 01:29:43,100 | 來 |
| 01:29:43,100 | 01:29:44,100 | 逐條審查 |
| 01:29:44,100 | 01:29:45,100 | 是不是讓大家都 |
| 01:29:45,100 | 01:29:46,100 | 沒問題 |
| 01:29:46,100 | 01:29:47,100 | 講完之後 |
| 01:29:47,100 | 01:29:48,100 | 然後統一來回答 |
| 01:29:48,100 | 01:29:49,100 | 因為 |
| 01:29:49,100 | 01:29:50,100 | 剛剛 |
| 01:29:50,100 | 01:29:51,100 | 那個葛委員講的 |
| 01:29:51,100 | 01:29:52,100 | 大部分都 |
| 01:29:52,100 | 01:29:53,100 | 我們 |
| 01:29:53,100 | 01:29:55,100 | 等一下會很多重複 |
| 01:29:55,100 | 01:29:56,100 | 那這樣子的話 |
| 01:29:56,100 | 01:29:57,100 | 還要一個一個回答的話 |
| 01:29:57,100 | 01:29:58,100 | 會浪費很多時間 |
| 01:29:58,100 | 01:29:59,100 | 建議說 |
| 01:29:59,100 | 01:30:01,100 | 是不是大家都 |
| 01:30:01,100 | 01:30:02,100 | 大體討論完之後 |
| 01:30:02,100 | 01:30:03,100 | 然後統一回答 |
| 01:30:03,100 | 01:30:04,100 | 然後我們能夠進入 |
| 01:30:04,100 | 01:30:05,100 | 下一個階段 |
| 01:30:05,100 | 01:30:06,100 | 這樣 |
| 01:30:06,100 | 01:30:07,100 | 好 |
| 01:30:07,100 | 01:30:08,100 | 這是我的建議 |
| 01:30:08,100 | 01:30:09,100 | 對 |
| 01:30:09,100 | 01:30:10,100 | 大家沒意見 |
| 01:30:10,100 | 01:30:11,100 | 好沒意見 |
| 01:30:11,100 | 01:30:13,100 | 那我現在就針對我 |
| 01:30:13,100 | 01:30:14,100 | 我的一個 |
| 01:30:14,100 | 01:30:15,100 | 論點 |
| 01:30:15,100 | 01:30:18,100 | 那因為剛剛 |
| 01:30:18,100 | 01:30:19,100 | 葛如金委員 |
| 01:30:19,100 | 01:30:20,100 | 他 |
| 01:30:20,100 | 01:30:21,100 | 所 |
| 01:30:21,100 | 01:30:22,100 | 所講的 |
| 01:30:22,100 | 01:30:23,100 | 其實 |
| 01:30:23,100 | 01:30:25,100 | 我們都非常的贊同 |
| 01:30:25,100 | 01:30:26,100 | 那跟他的一個問題 |
| 01:30:26,100 | 01:30:28,100 | 也都是大同小異 |
| 01:30:28,100 | 01:30:29,100 | 但是呢 |
| 01:30:29,100 | 01:30:30,100 | 因為我為了要強化 |
| 01:30:30,100 | 01:30:32,100 | 我們這樣一個核心價值 |
| 01:30:32,100 | 01:30:35,100 | 我們必須要再講一次 |
| 01:30:35,100 | 01:30:37,100 | 那因為這個大寫法 |
| 01:30:37,100 | 01:30:39,100 | 已經是20年都沒有修了 |
| 01:30:39,100 | 01:30:41,100 | 所以我們引頸期盼的 |
| 01:30:41,100 | 01:30:42,100 | 能夠 |
| 01:30:42,100 | 01:30:43,100 | 趕快來 |
| 01:30:43,100 | 01:30:45,100 | 針對幾個法條 |
| 01:30:45,100 | 01:30:46,100 | 來做一個 |
| 01:30:46,100 | 01:30:47,100 | 修法 |
| 01:30:47,100 | 01:30:48,100 | 那因為我們面對的是 |
| 01:30:48,100 | 01:30:51,100 | 少子女化的一個衝擊 |
| 01:30:51,100 | 01:30:53,100 | 還有AI科技的一個浪潮 |
| 01:30:53,100 | 01:30:55,100 | 以及高教環境的一個 |
| 01:30:55,100 | 01:30:56,100 | 很激烈的一個變圈 |
| 01:30:56,100 | 01:30:57,100 | 所以呢 |
| 01:30:57,100 | 01:30:59,100 | 現行的一個校園治理機制 |
| 01:30:59,100 | 01:31:01,100 | 已經非常嚴重的一個脫節 |
| 01:31:01,100 | 01:31:04,100 | 所以大寫的自治的核心價值 |
| 01:31:04,100 | 01:31:07,100 | 它是在於師生共治 |
| 01:31:07,100 | 01:31:09,100 | 還有民主參議 |
| 01:31:09,100 | 01:31:12,100 | 而非行政獨大 |
| 01:31:12,100 | 01:31:14,100 | 還有董事會的一個集權 |
| 01:31:14,100 | 01:31:16,100 | 台灣民眾黨團 |
| 01:31:16,100 | 01:31:18,100 | 這次提出大寫法 |
| 01:31:18,100 | 01:31:20,100 | 部分條文修正的草案 |
| 01:31:20,100 | 01:31:22,100 | 就是要打破僵局 |
| 01:31:22,100 | 01:31:25,100 | 而且要讓學生教師 |
| 01:31:25,100 | 01:31:27,100 | 在這兩大校園的主題 |
| 01:31:27,100 | 01:31:28,100 | 能夠真正參與 |
| 01:31:28,100 | 01:31:30,100 | 學校一個重大的一個決策 |
| 01:31:30,100 | 01:31:33,100 | 30年後的社會 |
| 01:31:33,100 | 01:31:35,100 | 答案就在今天的校園 |
| 01:31:35,100 | 01:31:37,100 | 大寫自治跟民主的原則 |
| 01:31:37,100 | 01:31:40,100 | 不應該只應付憑藉的口號 |
| 01:31:40,100 | 01:31:43,100 | 應該要落實以每天的一個校園的一個治理 |
| 01:31:43,100 | 01:31:46,100 | 期盼朝野黨團能夠凝聚 |
| 01:31:46,100 | 01:31:48,100 | 最大的一個共識 |
| 01:31:48,100 | 01:31:50,100 | 來加速的排審 |
| 01:31:50,100 | 01:31:52,100 | 並完成大寫法的一個修法 |
| 01:31:52,100 | 01:31:54,100 | 完全以師生打造一個 |
| 01:31:54,100 | 01:31:59,100 | 更民族、更公平、更具國際競爭力的一個 |
| 01:31:59,100 | 01:32:00,100 | 高等教育的環境 |
| 01:32:00,100 | 01:32:03,100 | 那針對本次的修法呢 |
| 01:32:03,100 | 01:32:05,100 | 的一個現況跟展望 |
| 01:32:05,100 | 01:32:07,100 | 我們提出四項的意見 |
| 01:32:07,100 | 01:32:08,100 | 第一呢 |
| 01:32:08,100 | 01:32:10,100 | 面臨高教轉型的合併 |
| 01:32:10,100 | 01:32:11,100 | 校戶會議的一個 |
| 01:32:11,100 | 01:32:12,100 | B.C.E.因應 |
| 01:32:12,100 | 01:32:14,100 | 燒紙化的一個衝擊 |
| 01:32:14,100 | 01:32:17,100 | 各大院校正面臨轉型 |
| 01:32:17,100 | 01:32:19,100 | 還有退場的壓力 |
| 01:32:19,100 | 01:32:20,100 | 然而呢大寫合併呢 |
| 01:32:20,100 | 01:32:22,100 | 還有行政架構的重組 |
| 01:32:22,100 | 01:32:24,100 | 施徵規劃 |
| 01:32:24,100 | 01:32:26,100 | 還有學生的一個受教權 |
| 01:32:26,100 | 01:32:29,100 | 對學校發展具有重大的一個影響 |
| 01:32:30,100 | 01:32:31,100 | 我們主張呢 |
| 01:32:31,100 | 01:32:34,100 | 未來能夠擬定合併計畫以前呢 |
| 01:32:34,100 | 01:32:38,100 | B.C.E.先經由校務會議討論以後 |
| 01:32:38,100 | 01:32:39,100 | 報 |
| 01:32:39,100 | 01:32:42,100 | 呃陳報教育部合併後才可以執行 |
| 01:32:42,100 | 01:32:44,100 | 絕對呢不能由董監事 |
| 01:32:44,100 | 01:32:47,100 | 董事會或者是行政的成風 |
| 01:32:47,100 | 01:32:48,100 | 片面決定 |
| 01:32:48,100 | 01:32:50,100 | 以此建立最基本的保障 |
| 01:32:50,100 | 01:32:51,100 | 施徵 |
| 01:32:51,100 | 01:32:53,100 | 誠意的一個防線 |
| 01:32:53,100 | 01:32:55,100 | 第二呢是現行的公立大學 |
| 01:32:55,100 | 01:32:57,100 | 校長臨行委員會的組成 |
| 01:32:57,100 | 01:33:01,100 | 由校務會議推行的學校代表 |
| 01:33:01,100 | 01:33:04,100 | 並沒有強制規範學生跟教師的 |
| 01:33:04,100 | 01:33:05,100 | 具體保障名額 |
| 01:33:05,100 | 01:33:08,100 | 為了呢要保障學生跟教師 |
| 01:33:08,100 | 01:33:10,100 | 對學校的一個經營 |
| 01:33:10,100 | 01:33:12,100 | 重大的議題的表達 |
| 01:33:12,100 | 01:33:14,100 | 那我們主張在校務會議呢 |
| 01:33:14,100 | 01:33:17,100 | 要推敗五分之二的委員當中 |
| 01:33:17,100 | 01:33:21,100 | B.C.E.明確納入大學部研究所 |
| 01:33:21,100 | 01:33:23,100 | 學生代表以及教師代表 |
| 01:33:23,100 | 01:33:25,100 | 至少呢要各一名 |
| 01:33:25,100 | 01:33:28,100 | 那第三呢就是現行的大學法 |
| 01:33:28,100 | 01:33:29,100 | 第十五條規定 |
| 01:33:29,100 | 01:33:32,100 | 學生代表在校務會議中 |
| 01:33:32,100 | 01:33:34,100 | 僅佔十分之一 |
| 01:33:34,100 | 01:33:37,100 | 這人數呢根本就沒有辦法呢 |
| 01:33:37,100 | 01:33:39,100 | 在重大校務節議中 |
| 01:33:39,100 | 01:33:41,100 | 發揮足夠的一個代表性 |
| 01:33:41,100 | 01:33:43,100 | 那麼本黨呢主張 |
| 01:33:43,100 | 01:33:46,100 | 應將學生代表席式下線調整 |
| 01:33:46,100 | 01:33:48,100 | 並明定各校 |
| 01:33:48,100 | 01:33:52,100 | 只知規程下線委員會或是專案小組 |
| 01:33:52,100 | 01:33:54,100 | 都必須包含學生代表 |
| 01:33:54,100 | 01:33:57,100 | 那剛剛因為我們的師長已經有說 |
| 01:33:57,100 | 01:34:01,100 | 其實大家的意見是八分之一 |
| 01:34:01,100 | 01:34:02,100 | 那我們也希望呢 |
| 01:34:02,100 | 01:34:04,100 | 等一下我們在修法的當中呢 |
| 01:34:04,100 | 01:34:06,100 | 能夠充分的來討論 |
| 01:34:06,100 | 01:34:09,100 | 到底是幾分之幾是合理的 |
| 01:34:09,100 | 01:34:10,100 | 那此外呢 |
| 01:34:10,100 | 01:34:14,100 | 為了要防止行政過度的一個膨脹 |
| 01:34:14,100 | 01:34:15,100 | 我們也主張在 |
| 01:34:15,100 | 01:34:18,100 | 校務會議二分之一的教師當中 |
| 01:34:18,100 | 01:34:21,100 | 為兼任行政主管的職務的人數呢 |
| 01:34:21,100 | 01:34:25,100 | 也不得也不得少於三分之二 |
| 01:34:25,100 | 01:34:28,100 | 那這個有關於第四呢 |
| 01:34:28,100 | 01:34:30,100 | 是有關於學生會的運作 |
| 01:34:30,100 | 01:34:33,100 | 剛剛那個閣委員也論述的非常的詳細 |
| 01:34:33,100 | 01:34:35,100 | 但是呢我還是再做一個強調 |
| 01:34:35,100 | 01:34:38,100 | 那學生會的一個運作的一個法制化呢 |
| 01:34:38,100 | 01:34:43,100 | 必須要從輔導的走向協助行政引導 |
| 01:34:43,100 | 01:34:45,100 | 來輔導 |
| 01:34:45,100 | 01:34:50,100 | 讓我們應該要從輔導走向實質的協助 |
| 01:34:50,100 | 01:34:54,100 | 多年來教育部青年署對於學生會的一個態度呢 |
| 01:34:54,100 | 01:34:58,100 | 大多都只停留在行政的引導輔導 |
| 01:34:58,100 | 01:35:02,100 | 我們這次提案增訂了第33條之三 |
| 01:35:02,100 | 01:35:05,100 | 明定學生會的選舉人事章程 |
| 01:35:05,100 | 01:35:10,100 | 還有財務管理都是屬於學生的一個自治的一個範疇 |
| 01:35:10,100 | 01:35:12,100 | 校方不得干涉 |
| 01:35:12,100 | 01:35:16,100 | 而且必須要扮演協助的一個角色 |
| 01:35:16,100 | 01:35:20,100 | 所以我們希望大學的修法是能夠越來越優化 |
| 01:35:20,100 | 01:35:24,100 | 所以呢我總結針對這一次的一個修法 |
| 01:35:24,100 | 01:35:27,100 | 本黨提出了一個訴求 |
| 01:35:27,100 | 01:35:29,100 | 一政黨要退出校園 |
| 01:35:29,100 | 01:35:34,100 | 二大學應該要自主協助要自由 |
| 01:35:34,100 | 01:35:38,100 | 三學生要參與校長聯賢委員會 |
| 01:35:38,100 | 01:35:39,100 | 以上報告 |
| 01:35:39,100 | 01:35:41,100 | 好謝謝蔡村頭委員 |
| 01:35:41,100 | 01:35:45,100 | 剛才她有提出就是不需要立即做回應 |
| 01:35:45,100 | 01:35:48,100 | 等同問然後再同答 |
| 01:35:48,100 | 01:35:49,100 | 好謝謝 |
| 01:35:49,100 | 01:35:51,100 | 那接下來請陳秀寶委員 |
| 01:35:51,100 | 01:35:53,100 | 謝謝主席 |
| 01:35:53,100 | 01:35:56,100 | 感謝昭偉今天安排這個大學法的審查 |
| 01:35:56,100 | 01:35:59,100 | 那高等教育是國家培育前瞻人才 |
| 01:35:59,100 | 01:36:01,100 | 跟推動社會進步的基石 |
| 01:36:01,100 | 01:36:05,100 | 大學自治也是守護學術自由跟落實民主 |
| 01:36:05,100 | 01:36:07,100 | 校園民主的核心 |
| 01:36:07,100 | 01:36:10,100 | 那面對掃紙化這個浪潮的衝擊 |
| 01:36:10,100 | 01:36:14,100 | 將新世代對校園的公共事務參與的期待 |
| 01:36:14,100 | 01:36:17,100 | 所以這個應該要透過制度化的法律修正 |
| 01:36:17,100 | 01:36:20,100 | 來建構一個兼具這個自治精神 |
| 01:36:20,100 | 01:36:24,100 | 跟多元包容這個治理透明治理的大學環境 |
| 01:36:24,100 | 01:36:26,100 | 那本席有提案 |
| 01:36:26,100 | 01:36:29,100 | 那從很多的面向我想 |
| 01:36:29,100 | 01:36:33,100 | 我的提案的核心在於 |
| 01:36:33,100 | 01:36:36,100 | 落實大學自治與多元參與 |
| 01:36:36,100 | 01:36:40,100 | 大學的重大決策是很攸關於學校師生的長遠權益 |
| 01:36:40,100 | 01:36:42,100 | 所以無論是面臨整病時 |
| 01:36:42,100 | 01:36:44,100 | 應該要經過校務會議的同意 |
| 01:36:44,100 | 01:36:50,100 | 或是校長你選與校務會議的這個代表的組成 |
| 01:36:50,100 | 01:36:55,100 | 我這邊提案都提升並明確規範了教師職員 |
| 01:36:55,100 | 01:37:00,100 | 以及大學部跟研究所學生代表的這個參與的比例 |
| 01:37:00,100 | 01:37:03,100 | 希望能夠廣納不同身分的立場 |
| 01:37:03,100 | 01:37:06,100 | 跟意見來達到實質的民族溝通 |
| 01:37:06,100 | 01:37:08,100 | 其次針對學生自治的發展 |
| 01:37:08,100 | 01:37:11,100 | 我的提案裡面很明確化了這個學生會 |
| 01:37:11,100 | 01:37:15,100 | 跟學生議會雙軌學生治理架構 |
| 01:37:15,100 | 01:37:20,100 | 學生會就負責推動校園活動的這個跟服務 |
| 01:37:20,100 | 01:37:23,100 | 那學生議會要兼顧監督組織運作及 |
| 01:37:23,100 | 01:37:26,100 | 財務審議的這個重任 |
| 01:37:26,100 | 01:37:30,100 | 明確的將學生議會審議的結果 |
| 01:37:30,100 | 01:37:34,100 | 並定期公告在學校的網站 |
| 01:37:34,100 | 01:37:36,100 | 同時學校應該提供學生會 |
| 01:37:36,100 | 01:37:38,100 | 跟學生議會獨立運作的活動空間 |
| 01:37:38,100 | 01:37:41,100 | 以及要有必要的行政協助 |
| 01:37:41,100 | 01:37:44,100 | 確保在獨立性的這個全體下 |
| 01:37:44,100 | 01:37:47,100 | 能夠真正培養出我們青年世代公民自主 |
| 01:37:47,100 | 01:37:49,100 | 跟公共參與的能力 |
| 01:37:49,100 | 01:37:53,100 | 那我也覺得說大學法 |
| 01:37:53,100 | 01:37:56,100 | 大學自治應該要因校制 |
| 01:37:56,100 | 01:37:58,100 | 就因校制宜 |
| 01:37:58,100 | 01:38:03,100 | 我們台灣各大專院校在規模歷史發展 |
| 01:38:03,100 | 01:38:06,100 | 以及在校風特色上都有不一樣 |
| 01:38:06,100 | 01:38:09,100 | 我想我們的法律應該給予適度的彈性 |
| 01:38:09,100 | 01:38:11,100 | 而不是強行的劃一 |
| 01:38:11,100 | 01:38:15,100 | 那所以我的提案有將校務會議的門檻 |
| 01:38:15,100 | 01:38:17,100 | 校務會議提案的連署門檻 |
| 01:38:17,100 | 01:38:19,100 | 代理出席的辦法 |
| 01:38:19,100 | 01:38:22,100 | 校長的選同一權投票比例等 |
| 01:38:22,100 | 01:38:24,100 | 具體執行的這個細節 |
| 01:38:24,100 | 01:38:28,100 | 授權由各大學組織規程自行訂定 |
| 01:38:28,100 | 01:38:33,100 | 來給學校比較充分的自主調整的空間 |
| 01:38:33,100 | 01:38:36,100 | 那讓自治的精神可以發揮最大的效益 |
| 01:38:36,100 | 01:38:38,100 | 那剛才其實有多位委員 |
| 01:38:38,100 | 01:38:40,100 | 大概有提出一些相關的問題 |
| 01:38:40,100 | 01:38:41,100 | 其實都是差不多 |
| 01:38:41,100 | 01:38:44,100 | 因為我們接到的相關的訴求 |
| 01:38:44,100 | 01:38:45,100 | 就是團體的訴求 |
| 01:38:45,100 | 01:38:50,100 | 不管是包括提升校務會議校長選會 |
| 01:38:50,100 | 01:38:52,100 | 這個學生代表的比例 |
| 01:38:52,100 | 01:38:56,100 | 或者是說教師代表具有學術或行政主管 |
| 01:38:56,100 | 01:39:00,100 | 身分這樣子的身分來參與校務會議 |
| 01:39:00,100 | 01:39:01,100 | 這個比例上 |
| 01:39:01,100 | 01:39:05,100 | 還有私立大學的校長選 |
| 01:39:05,100 | 01:39:07,100 | 是不是可以比照公立大學 |
| 01:39:07,100 | 01:39:10,100 | 那以及教職員生如何來 |
| 01:39:11,100 | 01:39:12,100 | 在這個比例裡面 |
| 01:39:12,100 | 01:39:14,100 | 如何去行使同一權 |
| 01:39:14,100 | 01:39:17,100 | 這個部分剛才都已經有提到 |
| 01:39:17,100 | 01:39:19,100 | 還有關於教師評鑑 |
| 01:39:19,100 | 01:39:20,100 | 其實也有聲音提出說 |
| 01:39:20,100 | 01:39:23,100 | 教師評鑑到底是不是能夠有效的 |
| 01:39:23,100 | 01:39:27,100 | 來幫助教師增進教學跟學術能力 |
| 01:39:27,100 | 01:39:32,100 | 那如果說變成了是校方行政權力的管控的話 |
| 01:39:32,100 | 01:39:34,100 | 那這樣子的一個機制 |
| 01:39:34,100 | 01:39:37,100 | 它的有沒有什麼調整的 |
| 01:39:37,100 | 01:39:39,100 | 能夠來讓這個機制 |
| 01:39:39,100 | 01:39:41,100 | 它其實是正向的 |
| 01:39:41,100 | 01:39:45,100 | 而不是說變成是一種控管的力量 |
| 01:39:45,100 | 01:39:48,100 | 那如果是不是可以跟不續聘 |
| 01:39:48,100 | 01:39:49,100 | 這個機制來脫鉤 |
| 01:39:49,100 | 01:39:51,100 | 這個如何來研議如何來討論 |
| 01:39:51,100 | 01:39:55,100 | 以及剛才我想大家有提出問題 |
| 01:39:55,100 | 01:39:56,100 | 我也提出 |
| 01:39:56,100 | 01:40:00,100 | 那等一下請教育部這邊一併來說一下你們的看法 |
| 01:40:00,100 | 01:40:03,100 | 關於大學校長聯選委員會的組成 |
| 01:40:04,100 | 01:40:08,100 | 那如果說公立跟私立是不一樣的方式的話 |
| 01:40:08,100 | 01:40:12,100 | 那學生參與大學制製的這個公平性 |
| 01:40:12,100 | 01:40:14,100 | 如果說他在公立大學的學生 |
| 01:40:14,100 | 01:40:15,100 | 他可以這樣子表達 |
| 01:40:15,100 | 01:40:16,100 | 可以這樣來參與 |
| 01:40:16,100 | 01:40:19,100 | 但在私立是因為私校法的關係 |
| 01:40:19,100 | 01:40:21,100 | 他沒有辦法有這樣的意見表達 |
| 01:40:21,100 | 01:40:25,100 | 那我們該如何協助學生來參與相關的事務 |
| 01:40:25,100 | 01:40:27,100 | 以及校務會議組成的角色 |
| 01:40:27,100 | 01:40:32,100 | 就是校務會議的學生代表的參與比例及代表性 |
| 01:40:32,100 | 01:40:35,100 | 那如何兼顧學生參與及校務會議的正常運作 |
| 01:40:35,100 | 01:40:37,100 | 彈性在哪裡我們如何定 |
| 01:40:37,100 | 01:40:39,100 | 以及剛才其實葉原之言有提到 |
| 01:40:39,100 | 01:40:42,100 | 學生的參與度他們出席狀況 |
| 01:40:42,100 | 01:40:44,100 | 這個其實我們應該要掌握 |
| 01:40:44,100 | 01:40:47,100 | 如果說學生他們去爭取一個參與的比例 |
| 01:40:47,100 | 01:40:51,100 | 但是他們的參與度他們出席率是不高的 |
| 01:40:51,100 | 01:40:53,100 | 那對整個校務會的運作 |
| 01:40:53,100 | 01:40:57,100 | 是不是也是一個不是很有利的狀態 |
| 01:40:57,100 | 01:40:58,100 | 那在校務會議裡面 |
| 01:40:58,100 | 01:41:00,100 | 教師代表這個資格去組成 |
| 01:41:00,100 | 01:41:05,100 | 我們要如何去兼顧教師參與以及行政運作 |
| 01:41:05,100 | 01:41:08,100 | 這個順暢度以及各校的差異 |
| 01:41:08,100 | 01:41:10,100 | 這個我想我們也應該去了解到 |
| 01:41:10,100 | 01:41:13,100 | 那在教師權益的保障的部分 |
| 01:41:13,100 | 01:41:15,100 | 剛才我有提到就是說 |
| 01:41:15,100 | 01:41:18,100 | 如果教師評鑑並不是一個很有效的 |
| 01:41:18,100 | 01:41:25,100 | 來協助教師相關的一些這個知能的話 |
| 01:41:25,100 | 01:41:29,100 | 那我們這個教師評鑑的 |
| 01:41:29,100 | 01:41:33,100 | 這個對教師權益的保障之間 |
| 01:41:33,100 | 01:41:35,100 | 這個我們如何去做到一個平衡 |
| 01:41:35,100 | 01:41:38,100 | 再來就是學生自治的這個參與 |
| 01:41:38,100 | 01:41:42,100 | 我們考量各校學生自治發展程度不同 |
| 01:41:42,100 | 01:41:46,100 | 那學生自治的這個事項的辦理方式 |
| 01:41:46,100 | 01:41:48,100 | 組織運作及參與機制 |
| 01:41:48,100 | 01:41:50,100 | 學校該如何協助這個 |
| 01:41:50,100 | 01:41:53,100 | 我希望教育部有你們的看法跟立場 |
| 01:41:53,100 | 01:41:55,100 | 就是以學生自治來講 |
| 01:41:55,100 | 01:41:58,100 | 其實就是學生自己自治項目的相關的辦理 |
| 01:41:58,100 | 01:41:59,100 | 跟組織運作 |
| 01:41:59,100 | 01:42:02,100 | 那學校也應該有一個協助的角色 |
| 01:42:02,100 | 01:42:05,100 | 那教育部你們的態度跟看法是怎麼樣 |
| 01:42:05,100 | 01:42:09,100 | 以及各校有學生會及學生議會的現在的比例如何 |
| 01:42:09,100 | 01:42:12,100 | 如果沒有學生議會只有學生會的學校 |
| 01:42:12,100 | 01:42:15,100 | 那學生會的監督機制該如何落實 |
| 01:42:15,100 | 01:42:17,100 | 那教育部這邊來督促 |
| 01:42:17,100 | 01:42:18,100 | 如何來督促 |
| 01:42:18,100 | 01:42:21,100 | 以及你們對整個我剛剛講的學生會 |
| 01:42:21,100 | 01:42:23,100 | 學生議會跟學生議會這個雙軌的部分 |
| 01:42:23,100 | 01:42:25,100 | 你們的看法跟態度是怎麼樣 |
| 01:42:25,100 | 01:42:28,100 | 這個是不是也等一下請你們一併回答 |
| 01:42:28,100 | 01:42:29,100 | 以上謝謝 |
| 01:42:29,100 | 01:42:32,100 | 好謝謝陳秀寶委員的發言 |
| 01:42:32,100 | 01:42:34,100 | 我們捅問捅答 |
| 01:42:34,100 | 01:42:37,100 | 所以接下來是郭怡芹委員請 |
| 01:42:39,100 | 01:42:41,100 | 好謝謝主席今天特別的拍攝 |
| 01:42:41,100 | 01:42:45,100 | 那我想本來應該今天本來白天就應該去考察了 |
| 01:42:45,100 | 01:42:46,100 | 對不對 |
| 01:42:46,100 | 01:42:48,100 | 所以今天特別把他拉出來 |
| 01:42:48,100 | 01:42:51,100 | 我想這也是呼應很多的學生團體他們的一個期待 |
| 01:42:51,100 | 01:42:54,100 | 那今年一月其實在質詢的時候 |
| 01:42:54,100 | 01:42:56,100 | 其實我就已經有特別提醒教育部了 |
| 01:42:56,100 | 01:43:00,100 | 就是大學法不能只用議題式或者是片段式的 |
| 01:43:00,100 | 01:43:01,100 | 這樣子的一個修補 |
| 01:43:01,100 | 01:43:04,100 | 那應該要回到所謂的大學的定位 |
| 01:43:04,100 | 01:43:07,100 | 跟治理權責的一個整體的一個設計 |
| 01:43:07,100 | 01:43:10,100 | 那上個月其實我也主持了公聽會 |
| 01:43:10,100 | 01:43:14,100 | 那現場也聆聽了許多的一線的這個學生的團體 |
| 01:43:14,100 | 01:43:15,100 | 學生的代表 |
| 01:43:15,100 | 01:43:21,100 | 那另外還有教師以及一些相關的這個專家的一些意見跟心聲 |
| 01:43:21,100 | 01:43:25,100 | 那其實大家都有一些共識就是大學自治的 |
| 01:43:25,100 | 01:43:27,100 | 在這樣子的一個前提之下 |
| 01:43:27,100 | 01:43:31,100 | 必須是要透明而且是負責任的一個治理 |
| 01:43:31,100 | 01:43:33,100 | 那我覺得今天這個討論的方向 |
| 01:43:33,100 | 01:43:37,100 | 其實也是要兼顧到這個校園民主的一個深化 |
| 01:43:37,100 | 01:43:40,100 | 那另外還有大學治理的一個穩定 |
| 01:43:40,100 | 01:43:43,100 | 那剛剛其實這個教育部也特別講了 |
| 01:43:43,100 | 01:43:46,100 | 我們從原本的這個比例學生參與的一個比例 |
| 01:43:46,100 | 01:43:47,100 | 十分之一 |
| 01:43:47,100 | 01:43:51,100 | 那現在目前大家的共識提到八分之一 |
| 01:43:51,100 | 01:43:54,100 | 那我想這也是大家的一些共識 |
| 01:43:54,100 | 01:44:00,100 | 那也很高興大家有這樣子的一個具體的一個就是方向 |
| 01:44:00,100 | 01:44:03,100 | 那我想教育部是不是應該也可以再 |
| 01:44:03,100 | 01:44:07,100 | 更進一步的去研議透過所謂的行政的指引 |
| 01:44:07,100 | 01:44:11,100 | 來確保學生他們的一些提案權 |
| 01:44:11,100 | 01:44:14,100 | 或者是在這個資訊的一個揭露上面 |
| 01:44:14,100 | 01:44:19,100 | 那否則其實就算是學生代表的人數變多了 |
| 01:44:19,100 | 01:44:22,100 | 但是我們也很擔心他們是湊人數 |
| 01:44:22,100 | 01:44:24,100 | 這我們也是會擔心 |
| 01:44:24,100 | 01:44:28,100 | 而不是真的是這個實質的參與決策的部分 |
| 01:44:28,100 | 01:44:31,100 | 變成是另外一種這個被動的一個參與 |
| 01:44:31,100 | 01:44:33,100 | 這個是我們比較擔心的部分 |
| 01:44:33,100 | 01:44:38,100 | 那另外就是當然我們也支持這個教師代表 |
| 01:44:38,100 | 01:44:43,100 | 那也應該以所謂的衛監行政職者這樣子的一個方向 |
| 01:44:43,100 | 01:44:50,100 | 那保障這個職員經過代表經過所謂的這個選舉來產生 |
| 01:44:50,100 | 01:44:53,100 | 那避免有這個校務的一個決策 |
| 01:44:53,100 | 01:44:56,100 | 過度傾向這個行政端 |
| 01:44:56,100 | 01:44:59,100 | 那這個部分我不知道就是教育部這邊 |
| 01:44:59,100 | 01:45:01,100 | 有沒有一個具體的一個機制 |
| 01:45:01,100 | 01:45:04,100 | 或者是我們往這個方向去 |
| 01:45:04,100 | 01:45:07,100 | 在大學端那邊做更深的一個瞭解 |
| 01:45:07,100 | 01:45:10,100 | 那等一下也可以請教育部來回應一下 |
| 01:45:10,100 | 01:45:15,100 | 那針對這個少子化我覺得學校的整併是有可能 |
| 01:45:15,100 | 01:45:17,100 | 而且是必然會發生的 |
| 01:45:17,100 | 01:45:21,100 | 那當然其實不管是國立的或者是一般的這個私立的大學 |
| 01:45:21,100 | 01:45:26,100 | 那合併的一個計畫都應該要經過所謂的這個校務的會議 |
| 01:45:26,100 | 01:45:29,100 | 來確保這個師生的一個表意權 |
| 01:45:29,100 | 01:45:32,100 | 那這個部分我們等一下也請這個教育部 |
| 01:45:32,100 | 01:45:35,100 | 這個教育部也可以稍微來回應一下 |
| 01:45:35,100 | 01:45:39,100 | 就是我們知不知識這樣子的一個學生表意 |
| 01:45:39,100 | 01:45:42,100 | 跟這個參與權在這個整併的這個方向 |
| 01:45:42,100 | 01:45:44,100 | 那有沒有一些具體的一個機制 |
| 01:45:44,100 | 01:45:47,100 | 或者是在研擬當中這個也報告一下進度 |
| 01:45:47,100 | 01:45:50,100 | 那另外在這個校長遴選的部分 |
| 01:45:50,100 | 01:45:55,100 | 我想如何在大學自治跟學生之間取得一個平衡 |
| 01:45:55,100 | 01:45:59,100 | 尤其是這個校長遴選的這個委員會的一個組成 |
| 01:45:59,100 | 01:46:03,100 | 那應該要怎麼樣在校內來建立這個共識 |
| 01:46:03,100 | 01:46:06,100 | 那教育部這邊也可以來回應一下 |
| 01:46:06,100 | 01:46:09,100 | 那至於這個私立大學尤其是私校 |
| 01:46:09,100 | 01:46:14,100 | 它有比較特殊的像是董事會治理的一個這樣的特殊性 |
| 01:46:14,100 | 01:46:16,100 | 所以這個大學也具 |
| 01:46:16,100 | 01:46:20,100 | 但是這個大學其實是具備高度的公共性 |
| 01:46:20,100 | 01:46:23,100 | 那所以這個我們要怎麼樣在私校 |
| 01:46:23,100 | 01:46:28,100 | 他們要在校長遴選的部分怎麼樣去保障私校的師生 |
| 01:46:28,100 | 01:46:35,100 | 代表的一個比例這個可能也是我們必須要去很深刻的去討論的一個方向 |
| 01:46:35,100 | 01:46:38,100 | 那最後是學生的自治跟參與 |
| 01:46:38,100 | 01:46:42,100 | 那我想學校的角色應該是要從一個輔導的角色 |
| 01:46:42,100 | 01:46:45,100 | 變成一個專業協助的一個角色 |
| 01:46:45,100 | 01:46:47,100 | 在面對發展程度不同的一個學校 |
| 01:46:47,100 | 01:46:51,100 | 那教育部要怎麼樣提供更明確的一個行政的工具 |
| 01:46:51,100 | 01:46:53,100 | 那這些工具包含飯本啊 |
| 01:46:53,100 | 01:46:54,100 | 或者是指引啊 |
| 01:46:54,100 | 01:46:56,100 | 來協助這個發展程度不同的學校 |
| 01:46:56,100 | 01:47:00,100 | 建立比較穩定跟專業的一個學生自治的運作的機制 |
| 01:47:00,100 | 01:47:05,100 | 好那我覺得今天在這邊要進入逐條之前 |
| 01:47:05,100 | 01:47:10,100 | 我相信大家的這個討論其實都會有一些衝就是有一些衝擊啦 |
| 01:47:10,100 | 01:47:13,100 | 那也有提出一些這個方向 |
| 01:47:13,100 | 01:47:19,100 | 那最重要的是我們真的希望就是給台灣未來的一個高教的環境 |
| 01:47:19,100 | 01:47:22,100 | 能夠有更健全的一個這樣子的一個氛圍 |
| 01:47:22,100 | 01:47:26,100 | 那讓大家能夠建立一個更開放更有彈性 |
| 01:47:26,100 | 01:47:29,100 | 而且真的能夠保障師生權益的一個法院的基礎 |
| 01:47:29,100 | 01:47:31,100 | 那這個是我的意見喔 |
| 01:47:31,100 | 01:47:32,100 | 好以上 |
| 01:47:32,100 | 01:47:35,100 | 好謝謝郭育芹委員的發言 |
| 01:47:35,100 | 01:47:38,100 | 那接下來有請吳思堯委員請 |
| 01:47:38,100 | 01:47:43,100 | 在進入這個我自己的條文的幾個重點之前 |
| 01:47:43,100 | 01:47:46,100 | 因為我們今天現在是大體討論 |
| 01:47:46,100 | 01:47:49,100 | 所以廣泛討論有一些跟大學法中整相關的意見 |
| 01:47:49,100 | 01:47:51,100 | 我覺得都可以一併提出 |
| 01:47:51,100 | 01:47:58,100 | 未來我們在條文裡頭看能夠去做調適彼此協調的依據 |
| 01:47:58,100 | 01:48:02,100 | 但是請讓主席也授權我可以提一下大學法相關的 |
| 01:48:02,100 | 01:48:04,100 | 也許這一次沒有提案 |
| 01:48:04,100 | 01:48:08,100 | 但是我會請教育部要提出解決 |
| 01:48:08,100 | 01:48:10,100 | 就是我要講校長林軒 |
| 01:48:10,100 | 01:48:13,100 | 清華大學高校長這件事情 |
| 01:48:13,100 | 01:48:14,100 | 好 |
| 01:48:14,100 | 01:48:17,100 | 因為這也跟大學法第九條相關 |
| 01:48:17,100 | 01:48:18,100 | 是 |
| 01:48:18,100 | 01:48:20,100 | 我們看大學法第九條 |
| 01:48:20,100 | 01:48:26,100 | 對於公司立大學的校長林軒的規定非常清楚 |
| 01:48:26,100 | 01:48:29,100 | 第一項是講林軒啟動的時間 |
| 01:48:29,100 | 01:48:33,100 | 第二項是講組成林軒委員會的比例 |
| 01:48:33,100 | 01:48:36,100 | 各種人員的比例跟產生方式 |
| 01:48:36,100 | 01:48:39,100 | 然後再來會講他的組織運作 |
| 01:48:39,100 | 01:48:43,100 | 然後再來會講公司立有不同的規範 |
| 01:48:43,100 | 01:48:45,100 | 因為司令還有董事會等等 |
| 01:48:45,100 | 01:48:50,100 | 這是大學法第九條唯一一個跟大學校長林軒 |
| 01:48:50,100 | 01:48:53,100 | 這個候選人產生他的權利義務相關 |
| 01:48:53,100 | 01:48:55,100 | 當然我們今天會討論到 |
| 01:48:55,100 | 01:49:00,100 | 我們對於教師跟學生對於大學林軒裡頭參與的擴大 |
| 01:49:00,100 | 01:49:02,100 | 這個是我們另外的手法 |
| 01:49:02,100 | 01:49:04,100 | 但我覺得可以一併思考 |
| 01:49:04,100 | 01:49:07,100 | 第九條雖然我們目前沒有提案納入 |
| 01:49:07,100 | 01:49:10,100 | 但我覺得我把我的意見提出來 |
| 01:49:10,100 | 01:49:13,100 | 未來都請教育部應當來研議 |
| 01:49:13,100 | 01:49:14,100 | 也就是說 |
| 01:49:14,100 | 01:49:16,100 | 清華大學高校長這件事情 |
| 01:49:16,100 | 01:49:19,100 | 我也花了一些時間去了解 |
| 01:49:19,100 | 01:49:22,100 | 其實在國際間 |
| 01:49:22,100 | 01:49:28,100 | 高教人才的流動其實是很正常的事情 |
| 01:49:28,100 | 01:49:29,100 | 我坦白說 |
| 01:49:29,100 | 01:49:31,100 | 因為大家都在搶優秀的人才 |
| 01:49:31,100 | 01:49:35,100 | 而且是重金去找人 |
| 01:49:35,100 | 01:49:37,100 | 但是我們就要知道 |
| 01:49:37,100 | 01:49:41,100 | 面對這種國際的高教人才的競爭 |
| 01:49:41,100 | 01:49:44,100 | 我們台灣的政府要做什麼 |
| 01:49:44,100 | 01:49:48,100 | 第一個當然我們自己的體質要做好 |
| 01:49:48,100 | 01:49:56,100 | 我們的待遇福利吸引力競爭力要足夠 |
| 01:49:56,100 | 01:49:59,100 | 所以說如果以校長本身 |
| 01:49:59,100 | 01:50:02,100 | 校長現在的待遇本身 |
| 01:50:02,100 | 01:50:06,100 | 是比一般的教授多一些這些職務加級 |
| 01:50:06,100 | 01:50:07,100 | 坦白講 |
| 01:50:07,100 | 01:50:11,100 | 他幾乎也是齊頭是沒有太大的差別 |
| 01:50:11,100 | 01:50:14,100 | 但身為一個大學的校長 |
| 01:50:14,100 | 01:50:16,100 | 他承擔的行政的責任 |
| 01:50:16,100 | 01:50:19,100 | 校務發展責任是非常的巨大 |
| 01:50:19,100 | 01:50:25,100 | 所以我們在優化我們自己對於大學校長的待遇 |
| 01:50:25,100 | 01:50:28,100 | 各項的政策該support |
| 01:50:28,100 | 01:50:30,100 | 我覺得這是要思考的 |
| 01:50:30,100 | 01:50:31,100 | 因為這不只是個案 |
| 01:50:31,100 | 01:50:33,100 | 這是同案 |
| 01:50:33,100 | 01:50:35,100 | 我們把體質做好了 |
| 01:50:35,100 | 01:50:36,100 | 待遇提升了 |
| 01:50:36,100 | 01:50:38,100 | 制度精進了 |
| 01:50:38,100 | 01:50:40,100 | 競爭力做出來了 |
| 01:50:40,100 | 01:50:43,100 | 不只可以留住我們優秀的大學校長 |
| 01:50:43,100 | 01:50:47,100 | 我們更可以有底氣去向世界來爭奪高教人才 |
| 01:50:47,100 | 01:50:48,100 | 這第一件事情 |
| 01:50:48,100 | 01:50:51,100 | 很橫平的講不進入個案 |
| 01:50:51,100 | 01:50:54,100 | 但如果說進入跟 |
| 01:50:54,100 | 01:50:58,100 | 清華大學高校長這一次發生的狀況 |
| 01:50:58,100 | 01:50:59,100 | 我就必須說 |
| 01:50:59,100 | 01:51:00,100 | 當然第一個 |
| 01:51:00,100 | 01:51:03,100 | 如果已經被確定連任 |
| 01:51:03,100 | 01:51:05,100 | 而且他也上任了 |
| 01:51:05,100 | 01:51:07,100 | 他上任三天之後 |
| 01:51:07,100 | 01:51:11,100 | 又去參加夏威夷大學的interview |
| 01:51:11,100 | 01:51:15,100 | 我覺得這真的是嚴重的誠信問題 |
| 01:51:15,100 | 01:51:18,100 | 我理解 |
| 01:51:18,100 | 01:51:21,100 | 高校長是被邀請去的 |
| 01:51:21,100 | 01:51:23,100 | 他甚至被邀請應聘是之前 |
| 01:51:23,100 | 01:51:26,100 | 他還在連任的遴選之前 |
| 01:51:26,100 | 01:51:28,100 | 我要強調這無可厚非 |
| 01:51:28,100 | 01:51:32,100 | 但是你已經通過清華大學的 |
| 01:51:32,100 | 01:51:34,100 | 通過清大的遴選 |
| 01:51:34,100 | 01:51:36,100 | 你也連任你也上任了 |
| 01:51:36,100 | 01:51:41,100 | 你還去接受另外的學校的interview |
| 01:51:41,100 | 01:51:43,100 | 你已經跟人說好聲 |
| 01:51:43,100 | 01:51:45,100 | 落鍵 |
| 01:51:45,100 | 01:51:48,100 | 結果又去跟別人相親 |
| 01:51:48,100 | 01:51:50,100 | 這真的就是觀感不好 |
| 01:51:50,100 | 01:51:51,100 | 誠信不好 |
| 01:51:51,100 | 01:51:53,100 | 這是大學校長 |
| 01:51:53,100 | 01:51:57,100 | 對於清大的師生情何以堪 |
| 01:51:57,100 | 01:51:58,100 | 其實對於台灣的高教 |
| 01:51:58,100 | 01:52:01,100 | 我覺得教育部也實在顏面無光 |
| 01:52:01,100 | 01:52:03,100 | 所以說我要再次強調 |
| 01:52:03,100 | 01:52:05,100 | 從個案看通案 |
| 01:52:05,100 | 01:52:07,100 | 我們制度上要去怎麼解決 |
| 01:52:07,100 | 01:52:11,100 | 第一個絕對是我們的優化的環境 |
| 01:52:11,100 | 01:52:13,100 | 才有競爭力 |
| 01:52:13,100 | 01:52:16,100 | 第二個就是現在的制度是什麼 |
| 01:52:16,100 | 01:52:18,100 | 確實大學法只有第九條 |
| 01:52:18,100 | 01:52:22,100 | 我剛剛講的規範校長遴選的一些時間 |
| 01:52:22,100 | 01:52:24,100 | 委員會的組成權力義務等等 |
| 01:52:24,100 | 01:52:27,100 | 但是回到你們另外 |
| 01:52:27,100 | 01:52:29,100 | 在第九條大學法的授權 |
| 01:52:29,100 | 01:52:31,100 | 另外訂定的國立大學校長 |
| 01:52:31,100 | 01:52:33,100 | 遴選委員會組織及運作辦法 |
| 01:52:33,100 | 01:52:35,100 | 其實我們一直有在修 |
| 01:52:35,100 | 01:52:37,100 | 也因為當初管中民的事情 |
| 01:52:37,100 | 01:52:39,100 | 我們有在修更進步 |
| 01:52:39,100 | 01:52:41,100 | 就是當事人候選人你要資訊揭露 |
| 01:52:41,100 | 01:52:43,100 | 完整的資訊揭露 |
| 01:52:43,100 | 01:52:44,100 | 第二個 |
| 01:52:44,100 | 01:52:46,100 | 遴選委員會的利益迴避也要做到 |
| 01:52:46,100 | 01:52:50,100 | 這是我們從個案去精進制度 |
| 01:52:50,100 | 01:52:54,100 | 然後是不是可以在這個遴選辦法裡頭 |
| 01:52:54,100 | 01:52:56,100 | 第一個是遴選辦法要改 |
| 01:52:56,100 | 01:52:58,100 | 第二個要不要到第九條 |
| 01:52:58,100 | 01:52:59,100 | 也要修正 |
| 01:52:59,100 | 01:53:00,100 | 我覺得可以思考 |
| 01:53:00,100 | 01:53:01,100 | 但至少遴選辦法 |
| 01:53:01,100 | 01:53:07,100 | 是不是能夠針對你已經接受序任了 |
| 01:53:07,100 | 01:53:12,100 | 我覺得要有一些管理 |
| 01:53:12,100 | 01:53:15,100 | 譬如說最低階的 |
| 01:53:15,100 | 01:53:18,100 | 你最低階的請這個候選人 |
| 01:53:18,100 | 01:53:20,100 | 在參加遴選之前 |
| 01:53:20,100 | 01:53:22,100 | 台灣的大學遴選之前 |
| 01:53:22,100 | 01:53:26,100 | 簽訂一個誠信的承諾書 |
| 01:53:26,100 | 01:53:27,100 | 好 部長次長 |
| 01:53:27,100 | 01:53:30,100 | 在這個遴選辦法裡頭 |
| 01:53:30,100 | 01:53:36,100 | 要求參與台灣大學遴選的當事人 |
| 01:53:36,100 | 01:53:40,100 | 是不是事前來簽一個誠信的承諾書 |
| 01:53:40,100 | 01:53:42,100 | 在什麼樣的時間點裡頭 |
| 01:53:42,100 | 01:53:46,100 | 他不宜去double對外求職 |
| 01:53:46,100 | 01:53:48,100 | 我覺得這是一個 |
| 01:53:48,100 | 01:53:51,100 | 那另外在要不要更進一步的 |
| 01:53:51,100 | 01:53:53,100 | 去在遴選辦法裡頭 |
| 01:53:53,100 | 01:53:56,100 | 有更細緻的禁制事項 |
| 01:53:56,100 | 01:53:58,100 | 我覺得授權給你們去想 |
| 01:53:58,100 | 01:54:00,100 | 授權給你們去思考 |
| 01:54:00,100 | 01:54:02,100 | 所以制度沒有規定 |
| 01:54:02,100 | 01:54:04,100 | 不代表制度沒有問題 |
| 01:54:04,100 | 01:54:08,100 | 我也理解這一次教育部對外的說法 |
| 01:54:08,100 | 01:54:09,100 | 清大對外的說法 |
| 01:54:09,100 | 01:54:11,100 | 這是高校長個人的決定 |
| 01:54:11,100 | 01:54:15,100 | 然後教育部的說法是法無禁止 |
| 01:54:15,100 | 01:54:16,100 | 但是這樣的說法 |
| 01:54:16,100 | 01:54:19,100 | 我覺得社會是難以接受 |
| 01:54:19,100 | 01:54:20,100 | 我們就要從這個事情去想 |
| 01:54:20,100 | 01:54:22,100 | 那制度未來是不是要調整 |
| 01:54:22,100 | 01:54:24,100 | 是不是要精進 |
| 01:54:24,100 | 01:54:26,100 | 所以我具體拋出來 |
| 01:54:26,100 | 01:54:28,100 | 國立大學校長 |
| 01:54:28,100 | 01:54:30,100 | 遴選委員會組織及運作辦法 |
| 01:54:30,100 | 01:54:32,100 | 他是需要就這個個案去做檢視的 |
| 01:54:32,100 | 01:54:35,100 | 第二步回到大學法的 |
| 01:54:35,100 | 01:54:38,100 | 校長遴選第九條 |
| 01:54:38,100 | 01:54:42,100 | 有沒有要連帶做修法 |
| 01:54:42,100 | 01:54:44,100 | 我覺得我們就保留一點時間 |
| 01:54:44,100 | 01:54:46,100 | 反正今天廣泛討論 |
| 01:54:46,100 | 01:54:48,100 | 大家可以就整部大學法的調整來做 |
| 01:54:48,100 | 01:54:50,100 | 雖然現在沒有案子進來 |
| 01:54:50,100 | 01:54:52,100 | 但我請你們是不是回去研議 |
| 01:54:52,100 | 01:54:53,100 | 跟教文會 |
| 01:54:53,100 | 01:54:55,100 | 我想這個很快一個月之內 |
| 01:54:55,100 | 01:55:01,100 | 你們也去參決其他國家的大學怎麼做 |
| 01:55:01,100 | 01:55:04,100 | 其他國家的大學怎麼做 |
| 01:55:04,100 | 01:55:05,100 | 那我們還要分層 |
| 01:55:05,100 | 01:55:10,100 | 國立大學我們的管理可能可以更高一點 |
| 01:55:10,100 | 01:55:13,100 | 但私校怎麼樣 |
| 01:55:13,100 | 01:55:14,100 | 他畢竟還是要對董事會負責 |
| 01:55:14,100 | 01:55:16,100 | 對學生負責 |
| 01:55:16,100 | 01:55:18,100 | 所以私校的部分要怎麼處理 |
| 01:55:18,100 | 01:55:22,100 | 這是我對於大學法的第一個提出來 |
| 01:55:22,100 | 01:55:27,100 | 因為是現在眼前大家比較在關切的熱門的議題 |
| 01:55:27,100 | 01:55:28,100 | 我再次強調 |
| 01:55:28,100 | 01:55:32,100 | 制度沒有規定不代表制度沒有問題 |
| 01:55:32,100 | 01:55:37,100 | 國際間的高教人才的競爭是非常的現實的 |
| 01:55:37,100 | 01:55:40,100 | 我們怎麼強化我們的體質 |
| 01:55:40,100 | 01:55:44,100 | 可以留人還可以去揪人 |
| 01:55:44,100 | 01:55:46,100 | 拉人搶人 |
| 01:55:46,100 | 01:55:48,100 | 這是我們的功課 |
| 01:55:48,100 | 01:55:51,100 | 第二個搶到的人怎麼留下來 |
| 01:55:51,100 | 01:55:55,100 | 給他誘因給他規範這是我的要求 |
| 01:55:55,100 | 01:55:58,100 | 好回到今天我自己也有提案的大學法 |
| 01:55:58,100 | 01:56:00,100 | 我講非常的大的方向 |
| 01:56:00,100 | 01:56:02,100 | 幾個重要的元素 |
| 01:56:02,100 | 01:56:03,100 | 這一次的修法 |
| 01:56:03,100 | 01:56:06,100 | 校長林學文會的組成剛好有討論到 |
| 01:56:06,100 | 01:56:08,100 | 校務會議的組成 |
| 01:56:08,100 | 01:56:10,100 | 教師權益的保障 |
| 01:56:10,100 | 01:56:15,100 | 學生自治參與的擴大跟政策的支持 |
| 01:56:15,100 | 01:56:17,100 | 這是這一次很重要的重點 |
| 01:56:17,100 | 01:56:21,100 | 但是我希望教育部我們把握機會向社會論述 |
| 01:56:21,100 | 01:56:24,100 | 藉由這一次大學法修法有一個更重要的 |
| 01:56:24,100 | 01:56:28,100 | 對於高教發展很重要的修法內容 |
| 01:56:28,100 | 01:56:33,100 | 就是我們對於公私立大學合併的法治化 |
| 01:56:33,100 | 01:56:34,100 | 這我一直在講 |
| 01:56:34,100 | 01:56:35,100 | 對不對 |
| 01:56:35,100 | 01:56:36,100 | 公私併 |
| 01:56:36,100 | 01:56:39,100 | 這是高教的競爭力 |
| 01:56:39,100 | 01:56:43,100 | 大學自我評鑑制度的調整 |
| 01:56:43,100 | 01:56:48,100 | 放寬學術跟行政主管的任用的彈性 |
| 01:56:48,100 | 01:56:51,100 | 然後跨校跟跨育的學習 |
| 01:56:51,100 | 01:56:53,100 | 讓學生的學習更有彈性 |
| 01:56:53,100 | 01:56:54,100 | 更有 |
| 01:56:54,100 | 01:56:55,100 | 可以更 |
| 01:56:55,100 | 01:56:56,100 | 更 |
| 01:56:56,100 | 01:56:58,100 | 更跟得上國際 |
| 01:56:58,100 | 01:57:02,100 | 然後學士來進修讀碩士 |
| 01:57:02,100 | 01:57:05,100 | 以及延長修業年限 |
| 01:57:05,100 | 01:57:09,100 | 還有學分計算跟學位認定 |
| 01:57:09,100 | 01:57:10,100 | 這幾件事情 |
| 01:57:10,100 | 01:57:14,100 | 它關乎學生的學習選擇權 |
| 01:57:14,100 | 01:57:16,100 | 多元性跟自主權 |
| 01:57:16,100 | 01:57:18,100 | 它關乎我們給予修業 |
| 01:57:18,100 | 01:57:23,100 | 或者是學分的認定計算的彈性 |
| 01:57:23,100 | 01:57:27,100 | 都是幫助讓學生有更好的 |
| 01:57:27,100 | 01:57:29,100 | 跨育學習的機會 |
| 01:57:29,100 | 01:57:31,100 | 所以我希望說除了剛剛說的 |
| 01:57:31,100 | 01:57:33,100 | 學生自治很重要 |
| 01:57:33,100 | 01:57:34,100 | 教師權益很重要 |
| 01:57:34,100 | 01:57:37,100 | 校長遴選制度的革新很重要 |
| 01:57:37,100 | 01:57:39,100 | 但是我希望在這一次的修法裡頭 |
| 01:57:39,100 | 01:57:41,100 | 可能大家比較沒有論述到 |
| 01:57:41,100 | 01:57:45,100 | 這一次的修法增加高教現場運作 |
| 01:57:45,100 | 01:57:47,100 | 跟未來發展的競爭性 |
| 01:57:47,100 | 01:57:49,100 | 在我剛剛說的那幾件事情 |
| 01:57:49,100 | 01:57:50,100 | 是 |
| 01:57:50,100 | 01:57:52,100 | 我認為是更不可被 |
| 01:57:52,100 | 01:57:54,100 | 被輕忽的 |
| 01:57:54,100 | 01:57:55,100 | 所以說 |
| 01:57:55,100 | 01:57:57,100 | 那當然回過頭來我們來講 |
| 01:57:57,100 | 01:58:01,100 | 對於學生自治的強化 |
| 01:58:01,100 | 01:58:02,100 | 我們絕對支持 |
| 01:58:02,100 | 01:58:03,100 | 我們在座的 |
| 01:58:03,100 | 01:58:05,100 | 尤其執政黨的委員 |
| 01:58:05,100 | 01:58:06,100 | 過去我們是在野的時候 |
| 01:58:06,100 | 01:58:08,100 | 大家都是學生運動出來的 |
| 01:58:08,100 | 01:58:11,100 | 對於財務的幫忙 |
| 01:58:11,100 | 01:58:12,100 | 對於空間 |
| 01:58:12,100 | 01:58:15,100 | 空間的協助提供 |
| 01:58:15,100 | 01:58:17,100 | 活動舉辦的協力 |
| 01:58:17,100 | 01:58:19,100 | 我們都要更正向的去支持 |
| 01:58:19,100 | 01:58:22,100 | 而不是現在很多學校是管理禁止 |
| 01:58:22,100 | 01:58:24,100 | 這個完全大走回頭路 |
| 01:58:24,100 | 01:58:26,100 | 所以對於學生在 |
| 01:58:26,100 | 01:58:28,100 | 尤其學生會的選舉人士 |
| 01:58:28,100 | 01:58:30,100 | 當然我也很強調他的代表性 |
| 01:58:30,100 | 01:58:32,100 | 他的選舉 |
| 01:58:32,100 | 01:58:33,100 | 我們透過我們的支持 |
| 01:58:33,100 | 01:58:35,100 | 讓學生會的參與提升了 |
| 01:58:35,100 | 01:58:38,100 | 他的選舉的公正性跟代表性 |
| 01:58:38,100 | 01:58:40,100 | 參與度更高了 |
| 01:58:40,100 | 01:58:41,100 | 那這樣學生的自治 |
| 01:58:41,100 | 01:58:44,100 | 才真的會更有底氣來 |
| 01:58:44,100 | 01:58:45,100 | 足夠強大 |
| 01:58:45,100 | 01:58:47,100 | 跟學校的行政部門 |
| 01:58:47,100 | 01:58:50,100 | 來做意見的溝通 |
| 01:58:50,100 | 01:58:52,100 | 所以這是一個環環相扣的問題 |
| 01:58:52,100 | 01:58:54,100 | 我們不要害怕學生會的壯大 |
| 01:58:54,100 | 01:58:58,100 | 我們反而要協助學生會的壯大 |
| 01:58:58,100 | 01:59:00,100 | 來幫助校園的進步 |
| 01:59:00,100 | 01:59:01,100 | 但是呢 |
| 01:59:01,100 | 01:59:03,100 | 我也要強調 |
| 01:59:03,100 | 01:59:07,100 | 不管是在學生參與校務會議的比例 |
| 01:59:07,100 | 01:59:09,100 | 或者是遴選這些 |
| 01:59:09,100 | 01:59:12,100 | 還要兼顧一個因校質疑 |
| 01:59:12,100 | 01:59:14,100 | 因地質疑 |
| 01:59:14,100 | 01:59:18,100 | 我們避免把這個條文定得太死 |
| 01:59:18,100 | 01:59:20,100 | 畢竟都會區的學校 |
| 01:59:20,100 | 01:59:23,100 | 或者是特殊像比較學生運動 |
| 01:59:23,100 | 01:59:25,100 | 比較蓬勃的學校 |
| 01:59:25,100 | 01:59:27,100 | 他的學生會運作是 |
| 01:59:27,100 | 01:59:30,100 | 更為穩定健全強大的 |
| 01:59:30,100 | 01:59:34,100 | 但是有一些比較非都會區 |
| 01:59:34,100 | 01:59:37,100 | 或是過去在校園的文化裡頭 |
| 01:59:37,100 | 01:59:40,100 | 或是甚至有一些比較弱勢的思想 |
| 01:59:40,100 | 01:59:42,100 | 他可能連學生會的運作 |
| 01:59:42,100 | 01:59:45,100 | 都需要我們去輔導 |
| 01:59:45,100 | 01:59:47,100 | 所以你當把這個遴選 |
| 01:59:47,100 | 01:59:50,100 | 或者是校務會議的參與定死的話 |
| 01:59:50,100 | 01:59:52,100 | 可能有一些學校他做不到 |
| 01:59:52,100 | 01:59:54,100 | 他校長遴選找不到學生代表 |
| 01:59:54,100 | 01:59:56,100 | 他校務會議找不到學生代表 |
| 01:59:56,100 | 01:59:58,100 | 我覺得這個因校質疑 |
| 01:59:58,100 | 02:00:02,100 | 也是不可以去那個偏廢的 |
| 02:00:02,100 | 02:00:05,100 | 所以我們廣泛彩龍還有很多時間可以討論 |
| 02:00:05,100 | 02:00:07,100 | 但我剛剛拋出比較新的就是 |
| 02:00:07,100 | 02:00:09,100 | 清大校長這個案子 |
| 02:00:09,100 | 02:00:11,100 | 希望獲得教育部的一些 |
| 02:00:11,100 | 02:00:14,100 | 願意來調整制度的一些回應 |
| 02:00:14,100 | 02:00:16,100 | 另外我希望大學法裡頭 |
| 02:00:16,100 | 02:00:18,100 | 對於高教未來發展的 |
| 02:00:18,100 | 02:00:20,100 | 那些修業的多元性 |
| 02:00:20,100 | 02:00:21,100 | 跨域學習的可能 |
| 02:00:21,100 | 02:00:23,100 | 年限的延長 |
| 02:00:23,100 | 02:00:24,100 | 你們要多論述 |
| 02:00:24,100 | 02:00:25,100 | 我們藉由這次機會 |
| 02:00:25,100 | 02:00:27,100 | 把它放到法裡面 |
| 02:00:27,100 | 02:00:29,100 | 另外對於教師權益的提升 |
| 02:00:29,100 | 02:00:31,100 | 對於學生自治的擴大 |
| 02:00:31,100 | 02:00:34,100 | 這絕對也是我自己的版本的重要精神 |
| 02:00:34,100 | 02:00:35,100 | 好 謝謝 |
| 02:00:35,100 | 02:00:38,100 | 好 謝謝吳思堯委員的發言 |
| 02:00:38,100 | 02:00:39,100 | 我們統問統答 |
| 02:00:39,100 | 02:00:41,100 | 下一位有請陳佩玉委員 |
| 02:00:41,100 | 02:00:42,100 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 02:00:42,100 | 02:00:44,100 | 我想我就先提出幾個 |
| 02:00:44,100 | 02:00:46,100 | 現在不論是學生團體 |
| 02:00:46,100 | 02:00:47,100 | 或者是高教工會 |
| 02:00:47,100 | 02:00:49,100 | 或者是其實很多學者專家 |
| 02:00:49,100 | 02:00:51,100 | 也在提出的一些建議 |
| 02:00:51,100 | 02:00:53,100 | 但是真的就如同剛剛 |
| 02:00:53,100 | 02:00:54,100 | 非常多委員說的 |
| 02:00:54,100 | 02:00:56,100 | 其實大家都還沒有辦法有共識 |
| 02:00:56,100 | 02:00:58,100 | 那我們其實也想聽聽看教育部 |
| 02:00:58,100 | 02:01:00,100 | 目前在收集意見階段 |
| 02:01:00,100 | 02:01:03,100 | 所收集到的聲音樣態有哪些 |
| 02:01:03,100 | 02:01:05,100 | 那未來在收集到這些樣態之後 |
| 02:01:05,100 | 02:01:06,100 | 對照委員的版本 |
| 02:01:06,100 | 02:01:08,100 | 對照所有學者專家 |
| 02:01:08,100 | 02:01:10,100 | 或是學生團體的意見 |
| 02:01:10,100 | 02:01:12,100 | 那未來如何跟大學相關這邊 |
| 02:01:12,100 | 02:01:16,100 | 去取得一個大家最高共識完成修法 |
| 02:01:16,100 | 02:01:18,100 | 我覺得這才是前面最困難 |
| 02:01:18,100 | 02:01:19,100 | 這也是為什麼我們今天 |
| 02:01:19,100 | 02:01:21,100 | 之所以要坐在這邊 |
| 02:01:21,100 | 02:01:23,100 | 做大體討論最重要的原因喔 |
| 02:01:23,100 | 02:01:25,100 | 第一個 |
| 02:01:25,100 | 02:01:27,100 | 就是剛剛吳思揚委員最後也有提到 |
| 02:01:27,100 | 02:01:29,100 | 就是所謂的 |
| 02:01:29,100 | 02:01:32,100 | 教職原生同意權這件事情 |
| 02:01:32,100 | 02:01:34,100 | 因為目前在大學法第九條 |
| 02:01:34,100 | 02:01:36,100 | 並沒有明確的機制 |
| 02:01:36,100 | 02:01:38,100 | 所以公立大學 |
| 02:01:38,100 | 02:01:39,100 | 開放的程度不一 |
| 02:01:39,100 | 02:01:41,100 | 而私立大學基本上是沒有 |
| 02:01:41,100 | 02:01:43,100 | 那這個校園民主程序的部分 |
| 02:01:43,100 | 02:01:45,100 | 我認為是現在的學生 |
| 02:01:45,100 | 02:01:48,100 | 或是相關的團體都非常在意的事情 |
| 02:01:48,100 | 02:01:51,100 | 那我也蠻好奇教育部目前的立場 |
| 02:01:51,100 | 02:01:52,100 | 但是我相信喔 |
| 02:01:52,100 | 02:01:54,100 | 以現在政部長所領導的教育部 |
| 02:01:54,100 | 02:01:57,100 | 在原則上應該是同意學生 |
| 02:01:57,100 | 02:02:00,100 | 或者是老師的代表這邊如何加進去 |
| 02:02:00,100 | 02:02:02,100 | 但是到底代表的比例 |
| 02:02:02,100 | 02:02:04,100 | 還有林選委員的組成 |
| 02:02:04,100 | 02:02:07,100 | 如何開放給各個大學有彈性 |
| 02:02:07,100 | 02:02:09,100 | 因為如同剛思雅委員所說的 |
| 02:02:09,100 | 02:02:11,100 | 如果到最後有些學校 |
| 02:02:11,100 | 02:02:14,100 | 因為這個法而連成立都沒有辦法成立 |
| 02:02:14,100 | 02:02:16,100 | 那連民主程序都沒有辦法完成 |
| 02:02:16,100 | 02:02:20,100 | 也就是說法反而成了限制他們的規範 |
| 02:02:20,100 | 02:02:22,100 | 甚至阻礙了相關的發展 |
| 02:02:22,100 | 02:02:25,100 | 甚至讓相關的會議沒有辦法順利召開 |
| 02:02:25,100 | 02:02:28,100 | 我覺得這也不會是我們修法的本意喔 |
| 02:02:28,100 | 02:02:30,100 | 所以到底公立學校的部分 |
| 02:02:30,100 | 02:02:31,100 | 私立學校的部分 |
| 02:02:31,100 | 02:02:36,100 | 還有就是不同民主程序發展狀態下的學校 |
| 02:02:36,100 | 02:02:38,100 | 如何在這個部分要完成 |
| 02:02:38,100 | 02:02:39,100 | 我覺得是很大的困難 |
| 02:02:39,100 | 02:02:42,100 | 這個部分我覺得也需要教育部的智慧 |
| 02:02:42,100 | 02:02:43,100 | 還有溝通的能力喔 |
| 02:02:43,100 | 02:02:46,100 | 那還有再來就是關於校務會議的部分 |
| 02:02:46,100 | 02:02:48,100 | 我剛剛講的是校長林選委員會 |
| 02:02:48,100 | 02:02:51,100 | 那接下來是關於校務會議的部分 |
| 02:02:51,100 | 02:02:53,100 | 直到現在有一些學生團體 |
| 02:02:53,100 | 02:02:54,100 | 或者是工會的主張 |
| 02:02:54,100 | 02:02:59,100 | 是希望可以減少學術或者是行政主管代表的比例 |
| 02:02:59,100 | 02:03:02,100 | 同時要可以增加沒有兼任學術 |
| 02:03:02,100 | 02:03:04,100 | 或者是行政主管的老師 |
| 02:03:04,100 | 02:03:06,100 | 還有學生代表的比例 |
| 02:03:06,100 | 02:03:08,100 | 當然在剛剛前面葛如萱委員的發言 |
| 02:03:08,100 | 02:03:10,100 | 也有提到類似的主張 |
| 02:03:10,100 | 02:03:13,100 | 但我在想這個問題最大的困境是 |
| 02:03:14,100 | 02:03:17,100 | 學生代表的比例可能比較相對喔 |
| 02:03:17,100 | 02:03:19,100 | 相對可能比較容易調整 |
| 02:03:19,100 | 02:03:21,100 | 那可是如果考量到 |
| 02:03:21,100 | 02:03:24,100 | 目前多數的大學學生會代表性 |
| 02:03:24,100 | 02:03:25,100 | 可能還有些已異 |
| 02:03:25,100 | 02:03:28,100 | 甚至學生會代表沒有辦法順利產生 |
| 02:03:28,100 | 02:03:32,100 | 所以未來放到校務會議上的困境可能就會更高 |
| 02:03:32,100 | 02:03:34,100 | 所以調高相關的比例 |
| 02:03:34,100 | 02:03:36,100 | 或者是開放給學校多大的彈性 |
| 02:03:36,100 | 02:03:40,100 | 但又可以確保民主程序跟民主發聲的制度 |
| 02:03:40,100 | 02:03:41,100 | 真的可以完備 |
| 02:03:41,100 | 02:03:43,100 | 我覺得這也是後續我們在看 |
| 02:03:43,100 | 02:03:46,100 | 大學端校務會議組成上的困難 |
| 02:03:46,100 | 02:03:49,100 | 那目前我不確定教育部的立場 |
| 02:03:49,100 | 02:03:52,100 | 是不是希望可以漸進提高 |
| 02:03:52,100 | 02:03:53,100 | 是一漸進提高 |
| 02:03:53,100 | 02:03:56,100 | 但是考慮到學校的規模不同啦 |
| 02:03:56,100 | 02:03:58,100 | 學校的組織運作結構也都不同 |
| 02:03:58,100 | 02:04:00,100 | 那如何讓各校有空間 |
| 02:04:00,100 | 02:04:02,100 | 但是又可以符合法的規範 |
| 02:04:02,100 | 02:04:06,100 | 同時又不要限制到學生參與民主校園的發展 |
| 02:04:06,100 | 02:04:09,100 | 我覺得這件事情真的有其難度 |
| 02:04:09,100 | 02:04:13,100 | 那如何在法規中有規範可是又不要寫死喔 |
| 02:04:13,100 | 02:04:17,100 | 這個部分我們其實還蠻希望聽一聽教育部的意見 |
| 02:04:17,100 | 02:04:19,100 | 這是關於校務會議的部分 |
| 02:04:19,100 | 02:04:23,100 | 那接下來就是關於教師權益的保障 |
| 02:04:23,100 | 02:04:25,100 | 其實教師權益的部分這幾年 |
| 02:04:25,100 | 02:04:28,100 | 其實大家看到因為教師聘任的制度 |
| 02:04:28,100 | 02:04:30,100 | 開始有一些不同的樣態 |
| 02:04:30,100 | 02:04:33,100 | 那如何在大學教師的評鑑上 |
| 02:04:33,100 | 02:04:38,100 | 有沒有機會真的修正為所謂的教師專業發展支持系統 |
| 02:04:38,100 | 02:04:40,100 | 把它跟所謂的教師升等啦 |
| 02:04:40,100 | 02:04:43,100 | 不續聘啦,懲戒這些不利對待脫鉤 |
| 02:04:43,100 | 02:04:47,100 | 我要說這是一個非常有理想性的論述 |
| 02:04:47,100 | 02:04:50,100 | 但是在實務上的操作 |
| 02:04:50,100 | 02:04:55,100 | 如何在舊有的系統當中去承接住這個新的論述 |
| 02:04:55,100 | 02:04:59,100 | 中間的那個可接軌的範圍有多大 |
| 02:04:59,100 | 02:05:02,100 | 然後還需要持續討論的空間又有多少 |
| 02:05:02,100 | 02:05:05,100 | 這個部分我也很想聽一聽教育部的意見 |
| 02:05:05,100 | 02:05:10,100 | 主要是因為現在的教師評鑑KPI的這個概念 |
| 02:05:10,100 | 02:05:14,100 | 讓很多人認為學術界充斥著各種形式啦 |
| 02:05:14,100 | 02:05:17,100 | 或者是有一些產生一些惡果 |
| 02:05:17,100 | 02:05:21,100 | 那結果會讓高教方的老師好像變成 |
| 02:05:21,100 | 02:05:25,100 | 受到學校高度監管的這種受支配勞力 |
| 02:05:25,100 | 02:05:29,100 | 好像就對於學術化專業發展是有不利的 |
| 02:05:29,100 | 02:05:31,100 | 那我想部長自己來自學術界 |
| 02:05:31,100 | 02:05:34,100 | 如何去看待現在年輕教師們 |
| 02:05:34,100 | 02:05:37,100 | 高校教師所受到這個困境的對待 |
| 02:05:37,100 | 02:05:41,100 | 我相信回應到剛剛思耀委員提的第一個問題 |
| 02:05:41,100 | 02:05:45,100 | 到底校長的待遇或者是高教老師的待遇 |
| 02:05:45,100 | 02:05:49,100 | 這件事情如何被整體的重新規劃跟重新看待 |
| 02:05:49,100 | 02:05:53,100 | 我覺得這也是我們在面對所謂教師學藝保障最大的難題 |
| 02:05:53,100 | 02:05:55,100 | 那我知道教育部現在的立場認為 |
| 02:05:55,100 | 02:05:58,100 | 目前大學教師對於老師的權利啦 |
| 02:05:58,100 | 02:06:01,100 | 停聘不續聘或是其他懲戒規定 |
| 02:06:01,100 | 02:06:04,100 | 應該都有相對的法規 |
| 02:06:04,100 | 02:06:06,100 | 可是這個法規目前 |
| 02:06:06,100 | 02:06:09,100 | 到底可不可以符合現場的實況 |
| 02:06:09,100 | 02:06:13,100 | 在高教端其實也已經受到很多的討論跟挑戰 |
| 02:06:13,100 | 02:06:17,100 | 這也是我認為我們後續真的再進入逐條之後 |
| 02:06:17,100 | 02:06:21,100 | 我們自己立法委員可能也都覺得會有很大的困境這樣 |
| 02:06:21,100 | 02:06:23,100 | 這個是關於教師權益保障 |
| 02:06:23,100 | 02:06:25,100 | 那最後一個是關於學生自治參與 |
| 02:06:25,100 | 02:06:29,100 | 也是這一次最多學生團體們在表達相關的意見 |
| 02:06:29,100 | 02:06:31,100 | 包含學生會的定位啦 |
| 02:06:31,100 | 02:06:32,100 | 校務的參與啦 |
| 02:06:32,100 | 02:06:33,100 | 自主的運作 |
| 02:06:33,100 | 02:06:36,100 | 會費代收啊等等等等等等的問題 |
| 02:06:36,100 | 02:06:40,100 | 那學生會有沒有機會真的有所謂獨立法人的地位 |
| 02:06:40,100 | 02:06:43,100 | 讓學生自治的空間可以拓展開來 |
| 02:06:43,100 | 02:06:46,100 | 我認為這件事情也是需要好好討論的 |
| 02:06:46,100 | 02:06:49,100 | 那我們當然也很好奇教育部的立場是什麼 |
| 02:06:49,100 | 02:06:52,100 | 還有教育部如何在協助不同規格 |
| 02:06:52,100 | 02:06:55,100 | 大學的學生會發展各式各樣的可能性 |
| 02:06:55,100 | 02:06:57,100 | 學校組織運作啦 |
| 02:06:57,100 | 02:07:01,100 | 然後或者是學校裡面的學生會的民主量能有多少 |
| 02:07:01,100 | 02:07:03,100 | 其實真的會各校差異很大 |
| 02:07:03,100 | 02:07:06,100 | 所以我想這個部分在後續進入逐條的時候 |
| 02:07:06,100 | 02:07:09,100 | 都真的希望可以跟教育部還有相關的學者專家 |
| 02:07:09,100 | 02:07:12,100 | 當然最重要的就是我們在做立法委員 |
| 02:07:12,100 | 02:07:14,100 | 大家如何收集更多的意見 |
| 02:07:14,100 | 02:07:16,100 | 更廣泛的聲音放進法條修法當中 |
| 02:07:16,100 | 02:07:19,100 | 不要到最後修出了一個可能非常理想的版本 |
| 02:07:19,100 | 02:07:21,100 | 但是卻讓現場摯愛男性 |
| 02:07:21,100 | 02:07:24,100 | 這件事情也不是大家所樂見的 |
| 02:07:24,100 | 02:07:25,100 | 以上 |
| 02:07:25,100 | 02:07:28,100 | 好 謝謝陳梅雨委員的發言 |
| 02:07:28,100 | 02:07:33,100 | 那我們再請的是范雲委員 |
| 02:07:36,100 | 02:07:37,100 | 謝謝昭偉 |
| 02:07:37,100 | 02:07:39,100 | 今天安排這個大體討論 |
| 02:07:39,100 | 02:07:41,100 | 讓我們可以針對大學法 |
| 02:07:41,100 | 02:07:44,100 | 就是改革的方向能夠更深入的討論 |
| 02:07:44,100 | 02:07:46,100 | 不要糾結在條文 |
| 02:07:46,100 | 02:07:47,100 | 我覺得這非常好 |
| 02:07:47,100 | 02:07:48,100 | 剛剛因為我比較晚到 |
| 02:07:48,100 | 02:07:51,100 | 因為我前面去衛環委員會跟司法法治委員會 |
| 02:07:51,100 | 02:07:53,100 | 所以前面的沒有聽到 |
| 02:07:53,100 | 02:07:55,100 | 那後來就是 |
| 02:07:55,100 | 02:07:57,100 | 那個思瑤委員跟培儒委員講的 |
| 02:07:57,100 | 02:07:59,100 | 我想我都滿同意的 |
| 02:07:59,100 | 02:08:03,100 | 那不管是陰蒂或是陰效質疑的部分 |
| 02:08:03,100 | 02:08:05,100 | 在這個階段滿重要的 |
| 02:08:05,100 | 02:08:07,100 | 那譬如說學生參與比例的彈性 |
| 02:08:07,100 | 02:08:09,100 | 我覺得也滿好的 |
| 02:08:09,100 | 02:08:10,100 | 就是樓地板之外 |
| 02:08:10,100 | 02:08:12,100 | 那能不能也有一些彈性 |
| 02:08:12,100 | 02:08:15,100 | 那另外我特別想提醒教育部的是 |
| 02:08:15,100 | 02:08:17,100 | 教育部非常的認真 |
| 02:08:17,100 | 02:08:19,100 | 校長的意見你們都有接收到 |
| 02:08:19,100 | 02:08:22,100 | 那次長也非常的積極跟學生團體 |
| 02:08:22,100 | 02:08:24,100 | 學生代表們溝通 |
| 02:08:24,100 | 02:08:26,100 | 也非常了解學生的意見 |
| 02:08:26,100 | 02:08:28,100 | 那我自己的感覺 |
| 02:08:28,100 | 02:08:29,100 | 因為我也是大學教師 |
| 02:08:29,100 | 02:08:31,100 | 很多教師朋友 |
| 02:08:31,100 | 02:08:33,100 | 我覺得現在聲音最出來的 |
| 02:08:33,100 | 02:08:35,100 | 其實是大學教師 |
| 02:08:35,100 | 02:08:38,100 | 因為事實上大學教師現在壓力很大 |
| 02:08:38,100 | 02:08:40,100 | 升等、出版、教學 |
| 02:08:40,100 | 02:08:42,100 | 所以大部分的大學教師 |
| 02:08:42,100 | 02:08:44,100 | 其實也沒有機會去做 |
| 02:08:44,100 | 02:08:46,100 | 其實也沒有機會參加教師團體 |
| 02:08:46,100 | 02:08:48,100 | 所以他們的聲音 |
| 02:08:48,100 | 02:08:50,100 | 在這邊其實是滿出來的 |
| 02:08:50,100 | 02:08:54,100 | 因為校長涉及到他現在特別的厲害 |
| 02:08:54,100 | 02:08:56,100 | 所以他們會表達很多的意見 |
| 02:08:56,100 | 02:08:58,100 | 那學生團體其實也比較積極 |
| 02:08:58,100 | 02:09:00,100 | 所以也請教育部 |
| 02:09:00,100 | 02:09:02,100 | 就是在未來諮詢的部分 |
| 02:09:02,100 | 02:09:04,100 | 那教師這一塊看如何補強 |
| 02:09:04,100 | 02:09:07,100 | 那當然既有的教師團體的意見 |
| 02:09:07,100 | 02:09:08,100 | 一定要多聽 |
| 02:09:08,100 | 02:09:10,100 | 因為我知道他們一直對於 |
| 02:09:10,100 | 02:09:13,100 | 就是未兼行政職的比例很堅持 |
| 02:09:13,100 | 02:09:15,100 | 堅持的原因也是因為 |
| 02:09:15,100 | 02:09:19,100 | 現在中山大學應該是少數非常好的狀況 |
| 02:09:19,100 | 02:09:21,100 | 老師都能侃侃而談 |
| 02:09:21,100 | 02:09:25,100 | 可能是因為我們部長過去的一個開明治理風氣 |
| 02:09:25,100 | 02:09:29,100 | 對,我有跟您的那個機要有聊過 |
| 02:09:29,100 | 02:09:31,100 | 我知道準密喔 |
| 02:09:31,100 | 02:09:34,100 | 可是中山大學狀況不是大學的常態 |
| 02:09:34,100 | 02:09:37,100 | 即使是公立大學 |
| 02:09:37,100 | 02:09:40,100 | 譬如說我自己的台大老師很愛開砲 |
| 02:09:40,100 | 02:09:44,100 | 可是還是多數的老師其實會擔心深等 |
| 02:09:44,100 | 02:09:48,100 | 續聘或者是他的系所因為發言 |
| 02:09:48,100 | 02:09:51,100 | 讓校長不開心影響到他的經費 |
| 02:09:51,100 | 02:09:53,100 | 所以我想這個部分就是說 |
| 02:09:53,100 | 02:09:56,100 | 為什麼那題會是糾結 |
| 02:09:56,100 | 02:09:58,100 | 也跟大家反映一下那個是現況 |
| 02:09:58,100 | 02:10:01,100 | 那回來講我今天其實特別想講的 |
| 02:10:01,100 | 02:10:04,100 | 也是剛剛私藥委員有講的這個 |
| 02:10:04,100 | 02:10:06,100 | 清華的案子 |
| 02:10:06,100 | 02:10:09,100 | 那我想我們今天其實都沒有想要針對 |
| 02:10:09,100 | 02:10:12,100 | 清華的案子有任何的指導 |
| 02:10:12,100 | 02:10:14,100 | 我們只是就這個案子來想說 |
| 02:10:14,100 | 02:10:16,100 | 如果它出現爭議的話 |
| 02:10:16,100 | 02:10:18,100 | 那我們在通案的部分 |
| 02:10:18,100 | 02:10:21,100 | 在大學法或是相關規定的部分 |
| 02:10:21,100 | 02:10:23,100 | 是不是有一些補救的空間 |
| 02:10:23,100 | 02:10:26,100 | 我想如同剛剛私藥委員講的 |
| 02:10:26,100 | 02:10:30,100 | 其實高教的領導已經是一個全球競爭市場 |
| 02:10:30,100 | 02:10:33,100 | 所以我們如何增加我們的誘因 |
| 02:10:33,100 | 02:10:37,100 | 我們當然鼓勵就是說教育部能夠去增加 |
| 02:10:37,100 | 02:10:41,100 | 讓我們的大學校長就是更有競爭力 |
| 02:10:41,100 | 02:10:43,100 | 可以得到國際的人才 |
| 02:10:43,100 | 02:10:46,100 | 願意在台灣為我們的高教貢獻 |
| 02:10:46,100 | 02:10:49,100 | 因為現在他的找人已經國際化了 |
| 02:10:49,100 | 02:10:51,100 | 那我們如何有競爭力 |
| 02:10:51,100 | 02:10:55,100 | 那但是回來講就是如果從市場邏輯講競爭力 |
| 02:10:55,100 | 02:10:57,100 | 那其實現有的制度 |
| 02:10:57,100 | 02:10:59,100 | 那真的在個人自由 |
| 02:10:59,100 | 02:11:03,100 | 跟這個職位的責任之間還蠻不平衡的 |
| 02:11:03,100 | 02:11:06,100 | 我們很難想像一個全球國際級的CEO |
| 02:11:06,100 | 02:11:09,100 | 最後能夠在找人的過程中 |
| 02:11:09,100 | 02:11:11,100 | 資訊沒有充分揭露 |
| 02:11:11,100 | 02:11:14,100 | 契約簽了之後還可以發聲 |
| 02:11:14,100 | 02:11:16,100 | 繼續找工作的狀況 |
| 02:11:16,100 | 02:11:20,100 | 我想了解這個國際就是企業競爭人才的話 |
| 02:11:20,100 | 02:11:23,100 | 也會發現我們原來的制度設計 |
| 02:11:23,100 | 02:11:25,100 | 沒有思考到這一塊 |
| 02:11:25,100 | 02:11:27,100 | 那回來看就是這個 |
| 02:11:27,100 | 02:11:30,100 | 這個清華的我們暫時講這個事件 |
| 02:11:30,100 | 02:11:32,100 | 這時間軸 |
| 02:11:32,100 | 02:11:35,100 | 我想很多學術界的朋友也有在討論 |
| 02:11:35,100 | 02:11:37,100 | 因為我們看到剛剛講的 |
| 02:11:37,100 | 02:11:39,100 | 遴選制度 |
| 02:11:39,100 | 02:11:42,100 | 至少在公立大學方面還設計得比較好 |
| 02:11:42,100 | 02:11:45,100 | 那剛剛郭育芹委員我聽到他講的私立大學 |
| 02:11:45,100 | 02:11:49,100 | 比較是大家目前覺得需要改善的部分 |
| 02:11:49,100 | 02:11:51,100 | 就遴選的部分 |
| 02:11:51,100 | 02:11:55,100 | 其實我們現在出問題的比較是續任 |
| 02:11:55,100 | 02:11:58,100 | 因為續任制度跟校長遴選比起來 |
| 02:11:58,100 | 02:12:01,100 | 他比較缺乏實質的參與 |
| 02:12:01,100 | 02:12:04,100 | 那教授跟副教授都是由計頭來做 |
| 02:12:04,100 | 02:12:06,100 | 其實雖然投了票 |
| 02:12:06,100 | 02:12:10,100 | 而且我知道清華相對是做得比較好的 |
| 02:12:10,100 | 02:12:12,100 | 可是沒有一個民主討論 |
| 02:12:12,100 | 02:12:17,100 | 那我們這裡面教育部其實也有他的評鑑 |
| 02:12:17,100 | 02:12:20,100 | 可是整個評鑑的過程中 |
| 02:12:20,100 | 02:12:22,100 | 如何能夠做到事前 |
| 02:12:22,100 | 02:12:24,100 | 就是那個候選人 |
| 02:12:24,100 | 02:12:28,100 | 或是那個要續任人的資訊有充分揭露 |
| 02:12:28,100 | 02:12:30,100 | 那如果他沒有充分揭露的話 |
| 02:12:30,100 | 02:12:32,100 | 如果他沒有充分揭露的話 |
| 02:12:32,100 | 02:12:35,100 | 那是不是要有一個相對應的設計 |
| 02:12:35,100 | 02:12:38,100 | 就是他的時程分離他可以去找工作 |
| 02:12:38,100 | 02:12:40,100 | 可是找工作到怎麼樣的情況下 |
| 02:12:40,100 | 02:12:42,100 | 應該要告知 |
| 02:12:42,100 | 02:12:44,100 | 然後如果真的要離開的話 |
| 02:12:44,100 | 02:12:46,100 | 這個程序的一個退場 |
| 02:12:46,100 | 02:12:49,100 | 我覺得這個設計滿重要的 |
| 02:12:49,100 | 02:12:53,100 | 那目前我們看到的個案就是 |
| 02:12:53,100 | 02:12:56,100 | 他同時參加遴選承諾了大家 |
| 02:12:56,100 | 02:12:58,100 | 也同時參與面試 |
| 02:12:58,100 | 02:13:05,100 | 然後在上任之後還得要去美國參加面試 |
| 02:13:05,100 | 02:13:08,100 | 那我想這個讓師生的感受真的覺得 |
| 02:13:08,100 | 02:13:12,100 | 原本我投票給你承諾的是一個四年的治理 |
| 02:13:12,100 | 02:13:14,100 | 那今天我們看到的結果是 |
| 02:13:14,100 | 02:13:17,100 | 他那個工作尋找並沒有成功 |
| 02:13:17,100 | 02:13:19,100 | 可是如果成功呢 |
| 02:13:19,100 | 02:13:20,100 | 那狀況是什麼 |
| 02:13:20,100 | 02:13:22,100 | 那原來的承諾對不對 |
| 02:13:22,100 | 02:13:25,100 | 那現在奇怪的事情是 |
| 02:13:25,100 | 02:13:29,100 | 大家知道清華已經是他的次要選擇了 |
| 02:13:29,100 | 02:13:33,100 | 那下來的師生的感受一定不會好的 |
| 02:13:33,100 | 02:13:36,100 | 其實也嚴重影響他領導的威信 |
| 02:13:36,100 | 02:13:39,100 | 那我想我們最近看到的清華的聲明 |
| 02:13:39,100 | 02:13:41,100 | 都是代表校長方的嘛 |
| 02:13:41,100 | 02:13:43,100 | 所以這個部分就會覺得 |
| 02:13:43,100 | 02:13:46,100 | 這個過程真的多數人覺得是怪怪的 |
| 02:13:46,100 | 02:13:48,100 | 那我又回來講我的版本 |
| 02:13:48,100 | 02:13:51,100 | 我覺得我的版本其實也完全沒有想到 |
| 02:13:51,100 | 02:13:53,100 | 這麼複雜的狀況 |
| 02:13:53,100 | 02:13:57,100 | 可是已經把一些校長出問題的學校 |
| 02:13:57,100 | 02:13:59,100 | 我們盡量在續聘 |
| 02:13:59,100 | 02:14:01,100 | 就是所謂的續聘的時候 |
| 02:14:01,100 | 02:14:05,100 | 那個設計讓教育部的那個評鑑委員會 |
| 02:14:05,100 | 02:14:07,100 | 那個設計是更好的 |
| 02:14:07,100 | 02:14:09,100 | 能夠有個民主參與的程序 |
| 02:14:09,100 | 02:14:11,100 | 那我覺得你程序設計好 |
| 02:14:11,100 | 02:14:15,100 | 那公開讓老師學生都有參與的話 |
| 02:14:15,100 | 02:14:17,100 | 那個就是一個公開檢視的過程 |
| 02:14:17,100 | 02:14:20,100 | 那如何能夠資訊透明 |
| 02:14:20,100 | 02:14:22,100 | 不要不對等沒有揭露 |
| 02:14:22,100 | 02:14:24,100 | 我覺得就是我們要更細緻處理的 |
| 02:14:24,100 | 02:14:27,100 | 那另外我的版本還增設了一個 |
| 02:14:27,100 | 02:14:30,100 | 去職或解聘的規定 |
| 02:14:30,100 | 02:14:33,100 | 那其實就之前我們遇到私立大學有校長 |
| 02:14:33,100 | 02:14:35,100 | 後來還有官司 |
| 02:14:35,100 | 02:14:38,100 | 就是甚至就是被關這樣的情況 |
| 02:14:38,100 | 02:14:40,100 | 就沒有辦法可以處理他 |
| 02:14:40,100 | 02:14:42,100 | 因為我們是大學自治 |
| 02:14:42,100 | 02:14:44,100 | 可是就像我之前提的 |
| 02:14:44,100 | 02:14:47,100 | 大學自治在目前的設計下 |
| 02:14:47,100 | 02:14:49,100 | 快要變成是校長自治了 |
| 02:14:49,100 | 02:14:51,100 | 因為一旦選出來之後 |
| 02:14:51,100 | 02:14:53,100 | 他就算出了光怪陸離的事情 |
| 02:14:53,100 | 02:14:56,100 | 那尤其是在續任後 |
| 02:14:56,100 | 02:14:58,100 | 你幾乎過了續任這一關 |
| 02:14:58,100 | 02:15:01,100 | 幾乎拿他沒辦法就做四年 |
| 02:15:01,100 | 02:15:05,100 | 那我覺得就是續聘制度續任制度 |
| 02:15:05,100 | 02:15:07,100 | 如何就這次清華事件 |
| 02:15:07,100 | 02:15:10,100 | 我們設計的能夠資訊對等 |
| 02:15:10,100 | 02:15:14,100 | 個人自由跟公職的責任之間應該要平衡 |
| 02:15:14,100 | 02:15:16,100 | 那如果要離職的時候 |
| 02:15:16,100 | 02:15:19,100 | 他的時程如何分離程序的退場 |
| 02:15:19,100 | 02:15:21,100 | 另外就是去職或解聘 |
| 02:15:21,100 | 02:15:23,100 | 對於一些重大的個案 |
| 02:15:23,100 | 02:15:25,100 | 我覺得還是要有個設計 |
| 02:15:25,100 | 02:15:27,100 | 但至少讓大家都知道 |
| 02:15:27,100 | 02:15:30,100 | 事情不能夠發展得太超過 |
| 02:15:30,100 | 02:15:33,100 | 我想大部分的老師跟學生 |
| 02:15:33,100 | 02:15:36,100 | 都會支持一個不錯的續任者 |
| 02:15:36,100 | 02:15:38,100 | 那如何能夠讓他在未來的四年 |
| 02:15:38,100 | 02:15:41,100 | 那有一個相互承諾的過程 |
| 02:15:41,100 | 02:15:43,100 | 一個比較好的民主討論機制 |
| 02:15:43,100 | 02:15:45,100 | 那我覺得這是這個事件 |
| 02:15:45,100 | 02:15:47,100 | 我們亡羊補牢 |
| 02:15:47,100 | 02:15:50,100 | 那能夠如果在這一波就能夠設計好 |
| 02:15:50,100 | 02:15:52,100 | 也希望教育部多費心 |
| 02:15:52,100 | 02:15:53,100 | 以上謝謝 |
| 02:15:53,100 | 02:15:56,100 | 好謝謝那個羅廷瑞委員 |
| 02:15:56,100 | 02:15:58,100 | 就換我了 |
| 02:15:58,100 | 02:15:59,100 | 可以喔 |
| 02:15:59,100 | 02:16:00,100 | 好 |
| 02:16:00,100 | 02:16:03,100 | 我想這個現行大學法 |
| 02:16:03,100 | 02:16:05,100 | 我們在為了這個大學治理 |
| 02:16:05,100 | 02:16:07,100 | 大學校長遴選的一個機制 |
| 02:16:07,100 | 02:16:09,100 | 還有校務會議 |
| 02:16:09,100 | 02:16:14,100 | 整個能夠組成的個學生自治團體的一個團體定位 |
| 02:16:14,100 | 02:16:18,100 | 都非常感覺到有其強化跟完備之必要 |
| 02:16:18,100 | 02:16:21,100 | 所以在今天開啟這樣子的一個審查的時候 |
| 02:16:21,100 | 02:16:25,100 | 我想我自己所訂的一個提供的一個版本 |
| 02:16:25,100 | 02:16:29,100 | 也是學團學生團體不斷的在倡議 |
| 02:16:29,100 | 02:16:32,100 | 那我想大學合併的這個事情很重要 |
| 02:16:32,100 | 02:16:34,100 | 那如此重要的一個變動呢 |
| 02:16:34,100 | 02:16:38,100 | 校務會議是不是有需要經過一些討論 |
| 02:16:38,100 | 02:16:41,100 | 這部分在我提供的這個版本當中 |
| 02:16:41,100 | 02:16:44,100 | 我認為都希望說能夠增定校務會議 |
| 02:16:44,100 | 02:16:47,100 | 然後為合併必要的一個程序之一 |
| 02:16:47,100 | 02:16:49,100 | 那當然也是可以討論 |
| 02:16:49,100 | 02:16:52,100 | 沒有說一定這麼硬就是要照誰的版本 |
| 02:16:52,100 | 02:16:57,100 | 那但是我也希望說確保大學校園的一個主體性 |
| 02:16:57,100 | 02:17:02,100 | 所以學生再跟教師他們參與這一個校長遴選的委員會 |
| 02:17:02,100 | 02:17:06,100 | 規定學校校務會議的推選之代表 |
| 02:17:06,100 | 02:17:08,100 | 應該要包含學生跟教師 |
| 02:17:08,100 | 02:17:13,100 | 而且要保障這個學生跟校長遴選的一個程序的表譯權 |
| 02:17:13,100 | 02:17:15,100 | 納入學生代表 |
| 02:17:15,100 | 02:17:18,100 | 其中也包含日間夜間的一個各學制 |
| 02:17:18,100 | 02:17:20,100 | 我希望說這個部分能夠更加完善 |
| 02:17:20,100 | 02:17:22,100 | 那我也想問問看說 |
| 02:17:22,100 | 02:17:26,100 | 對教育部對於這些的訴求 |
| 02:17:26,100 | 02:17:28,100 | 有沒有跟校長團體去討論過 |
| 02:17:28,100 | 02:17:29,100 | 大家都可以來討論 |
| 02:17:29,100 | 02:17:30,100 | 我也想聽聽看 |
| 02:17:30,100 | 02:17:33,100 | 教育部應該也有這樣子的一個討論機制 |
| 02:17:33,100 | 02:17:34,100 | 想聽聽看他們的意見 |
| 02:17:34,100 | 02:17:36,100 | 是不是能夠透過教育部的口中 |
| 02:17:36,100 | 02:17:38,100 | 來跟我們轉達一下 |
| 02:17:38,100 | 02:17:40,100 | 那增進這個學生會的一個專章 |
| 02:17:40,100 | 02:17:44,100 | 以增進整個學生公共參與自治學習的一個能力 |
| 02:17:44,100 | 02:17:46,100 | 那學生專章這個部分 |
| 02:17:46,100 | 02:17:48,100 | 教育部的一個表態 |
| 02:17:48,100 | 02:17:50,100 | 或者是你們的想法呢 |
| 02:17:50,100 | 02:17:52,100 | 我也很想透過這個部分來了解 |
| 02:17:52,100 | 02:17:54,100 | 那或許剛剛可能有提到 |
| 02:17:54,100 | 02:17:58,100 | 但是我們希望說有一些狀況能夠更加完善的去表述 |
| 02:17:58,100 | 02:18:02,100 | 那尤其是教育部作為主管機關 |
| 02:18:02,100 | 02:18:04,100 | 一定是有聽學生團體 |
| 02:18:04,100 | 02:18:05,100 | 也有聽校長團體 |
| 02:18:05,100 | 02:18:07,100 | 那校長團體他們怎麼說 |
| 02:18:07,100 | 02:18:10,100 | 這些談參說法 |
| 02:18:10,100 | 02:18:13,100 | 我們也希望透過討論的時候能夠聽聽看 |
| 02:18:13,100 | 02:18:15,100 | 可能會有一些中堅值 |
| 02:18:15,100 | 02:18:18,100 | 或者是大家能夠找出更好更圓融的一個方式 |
| 02:18:18,100 | 02:18:21,100 | 獲得更好的一個方案 |
| 02:18:21,100 | 02:18:22,100 | 以上 |
| 02:18:22,100 | 02:18:23,100 | 好 謝謝羅昭偉 |
| 02:18:23,100 | 02:18:25,100 | 好 我們還有羅志強委員 |
| 02:18:25,100 | 02:18:26,100 | 請 |
| 02:18:27,100 | 02:18:30,100 | 我想不管是大學的治理跟校長的遴選 |
| 02:18:30,100 | 02:18:33,100 | 我覺得有兩樣元素是非常重要 |
| 02:18:33,100 | 02:18:36,100 | 一個就是專業一個是多元 |
| 02:18:36,100 | 02:18:41,100 | 那當然應該廣泛的把這些重要的一些決策的機制 |
| 02:18:41,100 | 02:18:43,100 | 或是遴選的機制 |
| 02:18:43,100 | 02:18:48,100 | 那更多元的把學生老師教職員 |
| 02:18:48,100 | 02:18:52,100 | 或是社會各界的意見能夠廣泛的納入 |
| 02:18:52,100 | 02:18:54,100 | 所以你放學生專章也好 |
| 02:18:54,100 | 02:18:57,100 | 或是針對所謂的消誤會裡面的一些成員的 |
| 02:18:57,100 | 02:18:59,100 | 一個設計也好的話 |
| 02:18:59,100 | 02:19:01,100 | 我還是希望教育部能夠 |
| 02:19:01,100 | 02:19:05,100 | 廣泛的能夠去跟這個不管是校長 |
| 02:19:05,100 | 02:19:10,100 | 還是大學的這個各個學生會的學生們 |
| 02:19:10,100 | 02:19:14,100 | 然後能夠廣泛的去聽聽他們的意見 |
| 02:19:14,100 | 02:19:17,100 | 那也請這個我們的教育部 |
| 02:19:17,100 | 02:19:19,100 | 能夠有一個比較明確的立場 |
| 02:19:19,100 | 02:19:22,100 | 那針對這些設計上可能 |
| 02:19:22,100 | 02:19:25,100 | 可能出現的優劣缺點 |
| 02:19:25,100 | 02:19:27,100 | 優點缺點 |
| 02:19:27,100 | 02:19:29,100 | 都能夠做一個整體的評估 |
| 02:19:29,100 | 02:19:33,100 | 那能夠讓我們在這個大學法這次修正當中 |
| 02:19:33,100 | 02:19:35,100 | 能夠更有所謂的進步性 |
| 02:19:35,100 | 02:19:36,100 | 以上 |
| 02:19:36,100 | 02:19:38,100 | 好 謝謝羅志強委員 |
| 02:19:38,100 | 02:19:43,100 | 那今天大體討論總共有十位委員發言 |
| 02:19:43,100 | 02:19:45,100 | 我們統問統答 |
| 02:19:45,100 | 02:19:48,100 | 那是不是請教育部來做回應 請 |
| 02:19:49,100 | 02:19:55,100 | 各位謝謝各位委員對這一個大學法的修法方向 |
| 02:19:55,100 | 02:19:59,100 | 上的一些非常有價值的一個建議 |
| 02:19:59,100 | 02:20:02,100 | 那確實我利用這個機會 |
| 02:20:02,100 | 02:20:04,100 | 要再次感謝我們委員的支持 |
| 02:20:04,100 | 02:20:09,100 | 因為對大學老師這些染財跟留財 |
| 02:20:09,100 | 02:20:12,100 | 總統跟院長都非常支持 |
| 02:20:12,100 | 02:20:14,100 | 在特別預算裡面有200億 |
| 02:20:14,100 | 02:20:18,100 | 200億裡面來支持大學的一些發展 |
| 02:20:18,100 | 02:20:20,100 | 然後其中我們有60億 |
| 02:20:20,100 | 02:20:22,100 | 就是用來這個 |
| 02:20:22,100 | 02:20:24,100 | 這個延攬這一個老師 |
| 02:20:24,100 | 02:20:27,100 | 然後有一個更精進的一個彈性心思 |
| 02:20:27,100 | 02:20:29,100 | 包括染財 |
| 02:20:29,100 | 02:20:33,100 | 這一個部分我想利用這個機會再次表達感謝 |
| 02:20:33,100 | 02:20:36,100 | 那委員也非常敏銳的觀察到 |
| 02:20:36,100 | 02:20:40,100 | 現行的大學校長他確實就是教授 |
| 02:20:40,100 | 02:20:43,100 | 加上校長的主管加級 |
| 02:20:43,100 | 02:20:44,100 | 一點點的一個薪水 |
| 02:20:44,100 | 02:20:46,100 | 那所以這一個部分在未來 |
| 02:20:46,100 | 02:20:48,100 | 校長的權利義務 |
| 02:20:48,100 | 02:20:52,100 | 我們怎麼樣去有一個能夠與時俱進 |
| 02:20:52,100 | 02:20:54,100 | 能夠具有國際競爭力 |
| 02:20:54,100 | 02:20:57,100 | 我想這一個我們內部也會來跟 |
| 02:20:57,100 | 02:20:59,100 | 校長學位大家來集思廣益 |
| 02:20:59,100 | 02:21:03,100 | 看制度上要怎麼來一些精進 |
| 02:21:03,100 | 02:21:07,100 | 那另外剛才羅委員也特別提到的 |
| 02:21:07,100 | 02:21:10,100 | 不管是這一個病校 |
| 02:21:10,100 | 02:21:12,100 | 到底是top down |
| 02:21:12,100 | 02:21:14,100 | 現在大概是bottom up |
| 02:21:14,100 | 02:21:17,100 | 由下而上各校裡邊都要經過校務會議 |
| 02:21:17,100 | 02:21:19,100 | 那委員剛才特別提到 |
| 02:21:19,100 | 02:21:23,100 | 比如說我們今天政策希望有一些公司合併 |
| 02:21:23,100 | 02:21:24,100 | 或是校校合併的 |
| 02:21:24,100 | 02:21:27,100 | 這一個也一定要經過這個校務會議 |
| 02:21:27,100 | 02:21:30,100 | 我想那一個方向是有價值的 |
| 02:21:30,100 | 02:21:33,100 | 我利用這個先補充說明 |
| 02:21:33,100 | 02:21:37,100 | 那其他的是不是先請這個廖市長 |
| 02:21:37,100 | 02:21:39,100 | 好請市長 |
| 02:21:39,100 | 02:21:40,100 | 趙偉還有各位委員 |
| 02:21:40,100 | 02:21:44,100 | 那中正各位委員所提到的一個問題 |
| 02:21:44,100 | 02:21:47,100 | 其實就是在校長遴選的一個制度 |
| 02:21:47,100 | 02:21:50,100 | 還有校務會議師生的參與 |
| 02:21:50,100 | 02:21:52,100 | 以及教師權益的保障 |
| 02:21:52,100 | 02:21:56,100 | 以及學生自治的一個專章的部分 |
| 02:21:56,100 | 02:21:59,100 | 那剛才有幾位委員提到 |
| 02:21:59,100 | 02:22:04,100 | 在因應國際的一個染財的一個趨勢 |
| 02:22:04,100 | 02:22:08,100 | 怎麼樣檢討現行的校長的遴選 |
| 02:22:08,100 | 02:22:10,100 | 以及續任的機制 |
| 02:22:10,100 | 02:22:13,100 | 這個部裡頭會來檢視整個 |
| 02:22:13,100 | 02:22:14,100 | 遴選機率 |
| 02:22:14,100 | 02:22:17,100 | 尤其是在相關資訊的揭露方面 |
| 02:22:17,100 | 02:22:20,100 | 能夠讓師生更為的了解 |
| 02:22:20,100 | 02:22:24,100 | 然後讓遴選能更具就是說 |
| 02:22:24,100 | 02:22:27,100 | 那個相關的結果能夠具有意義 |
| 02:22:27,100 | 02:22:31,100 | 這部分部裡頭會來思考未來的一個進行 |
| 02:22:31,100 | 02:22:34,100 | 那至於就是說學生代表跟教師代表的 |
| 02:22:34,100 | 02:22:35,100 | 這一個部分呢 |
| 02:22:35,100 | 02:22:38,100 | 其實剛才各位委員也有提示 |
| 02:22:38,100 | 02:22:39,100 | 要因校質疑 |
| 02:22:39,100 | 02:22:42,100 | 公立學校跟私立學校之間的差異性 |
| 02:22:42,100 | 02:22:45,100 | 以及公立學校跟私立學校之間的 |
| 02:22:45,100 | 02:22:47,100 | 運作上面的一個關係 |
| 02:22:47,100 | 02:22:49,100 | 這個在校長遴選的制度後面 |
| 02:22:49,100 | 02:22:52,100 | 我們也會忠誠各位委員的意見 |
| 02:22:52,100 | 02:22:55,100 | 來做為更多的一個討論 |
| 02:22:55,100 | 02:22:58,100 | 那剛才羅昭偉也有提到 |
| 02:22:58,100 | 02:23:01,100 | 其實大學校長針對這幾個議題 |
| 02:23:01,100 | 02:23:04,100 | 其實都表態是支持肯定的立場 |
| 02:23:04,100 | 02:23:06,100 | 尤其是在多元參與 |
| 02:23:06,100 | 02:23:09,100 | 專業參與這個教師評鑑方面 |
| 02:23:09,100 | 02:23:13,100 | 但是如何能夠在實務當中落實 |
| 02:23:13,100 | 02:23:15,100 | 這個所謂的多元參與 |
| 02:23:15,100 | 02:23:16,100 | 以及實質的參與 |
| 02:23:16,100 | 02:23:18,100 | 這個學校認為說 |
| 02:23:18,100 | 02:23:20,100 | 還是根據剛才委員所提示的 |
| 02:23:20,100 | 02:23:22,100 | 要因校質疑 |
| 02:23:22,100 | 02:23:25,100 | 那接下來就是有關於學生自治的 |
| 02:23:25,100 | 02:23:29,100 | 這一個專章是各個委員特別關心的 |
| 02:23:29,100 | 02:23:33,100 | 因為學生畢竟是我們學校大學的主體之一 |
| 02:23:33,100 | 02:23:35,100 | 那針對這個部分 |
| 02:23:35,100 | 02:23:38,100 | 如何從過去的一個角色 |
| 02:23:38,100 | 02:23:40,100 | 以協助的立場 |
| 02:23:40,100 | 02:23:42,100 | 學校以協助的立場 |
| 02:23:42,100 | 02:23:45,100 | 來確保大學學生會的一個獨立性 |
| 02:23:45,100 | 02:23:47,100 | 包括剛才秀寶委員有特別提出來的 |
| 02:23:47,100 | 02:23:49,100 | 像學生會或學生議會 |
| 02:23:49,100 | 02:23:52,100 | 並不是現在不是每個學校都有這樣的一個制度 |
| 02:23:52,100 | 02:23:55,100 | 所以說從這樣的一個角度來思考 |
| 02:23:55,100 | 02:23:57,100 | 相關的學生自治的議題 |
| 02:23:57,100 | 02:23:59,100 | 我想我們相關司處署都會 |
| 02:23:59,100 | 02:24:02,100 | 以協助學生的一個自治 |
| 02:24:02,100 | 02:24:04,100 | 健全學生自治的一個角度 |
| 02:24:04,100 | 02:24:06,100 | 忠誠今天各位委員的意見 |
| 02:24:06,100 | 02:24:09,100 | 來做後續的一個規劃來引導 |
| 02:24:09,100 | 02:24:12,100 | 那尤其是學生提案權以及承案權的部分 |
| 02:24:12,100 | 02:24:16,100 | 秀寶委員跟幾位委員都有關心到這樣的一個議題 |
| 02:24:16,100 | 02:24:19,100 | 那這個也是在我們在規劃當中 |
| 02:24:19,100 | 02:24:23,100 | 特別就是說不要因為制度性的一個設計 |
| 02:24:23,100 | 02:24:27,100 | 讓學生的聲音教師的聲音沒有辦法被聽到 |
| 02:24:27,100 | 02:24:31,100 | 這個學生的提案權我們會來落實跟確保 |
| 02:24:31,100 | 02:24:35,100 | 最後再者就是所謂的教師評鑑的議題 |
| 02:24:35,100 | 02:24:37,100 | 過去實施剛才部長所說 |
| 02:24:37,100 | 02:24:41,100 | 我們有設計多重的一個制度來引導學 |
| 02:24:41,100 | 02:24:43,100 | 教師來多元升等 |
| 02:24:43,100 | 02:24:47,100 | 那怎麼樣在未來的制度能夠更為精進 |
| 02:24:47,100 | 02:24:50,100 | 讓老師的專業能夠被看見之外呢 |
| 02:24:50,100 | 02:24:54,100 | 我們的評鑑是以協助教師的專業發展 |
| 02:24:54,100 | 02:25:00,100 | 這個會是部裡頭未來的一個制度的一個規劃的一個重心 |
| 02:25:00,100 | 02:25:02,100 | 那是不是跟委員報告 |
| 02:25:02,100 | 02:25:07,100 | 因為剛剛這幾個議題我們也收集了委員大體討論的意見 |
| 02:25:07,100 | 02:25:11,100 | 我們會在後續中整各位委員的意見 |
| 02:25:11,100 | 02:25:13,100 | 然後提出部裡頭的一個建議跟想法 |
| 02:25:13,100 | 02:25:17,100 | 甚至有需要再跟學生團體教師團體 |
| 02:25:17,100 | 02:25:21,100 | 跟校長團那個學校協進會來溝通的部分 |
| 02:25:21,100 | 02:25:23,100 | 我們會來後續進行 |
| 02:25:23,100 | 02:25:24,100 | 以上補充說明 |
| 02:25:24,100 | 02:25:27,100 | 好謝謝教育部的回應 |
| 02:25:27,100 | 02:25:28,100 | 部長您還有回應 |
| 02:25:28,100 | 02:25:30,100 | 我再補充說明一下 |
| 02:25:30,100 | 02:25:34,100 | 剛才司法委員跟泛民委員特別提到有關 |
| 02:25:34,100 | 02:25:38,100 | 校長在連任續任的這個程序 |
| 02:25:38,100 | 02:25:41,100 | 怎麼樣讓他能夠更透明 |
| 02:25:41,100 | 02:25:44,100 | 甚至有一些個人資訊的一些揭露 |
| 02:25:44,100 | 02:25:48,100 | 然後包含在揭露的他的一個day night |
| 02:25:48,100 | 02:25:50,100 | 或者這個退場等於 |
| 02:25:50,100 | 02:25:55,100 | 我們知道當然這個高教人才全世界都在競爭 |
| 02:25:55,100 | 02:25:57,100 | 都在希望能夠延攬到好的人才 |
| 02:25:57,100 | 02:26:01,100 | 那整個我們從誠信跟這個對學校 |
| 02:26:01,100 | 02:26:04,100 | 師生的承諾跟校務發展的承諾 |
| 02:26:04,100 | 02:26:06,100 | 我們在整個程序裡邊 |
| 02:26:06,100 | 02:26:10,100 | 怎麼樣有一個更周延的一些完整的一個規劃 |
| 02:26:10,100 | 02:26:13,100 | 我想這個也非常感謝這一個 |
| 02:26:13,100 | 02:26:15,100 | 兩位委員的一個建議 |
| 02:26:15,100 | 02:26:16,100 | 我想都是非常有價值 |
| 02:26:16,100 | 02:26:19,100 | 我們在未來實際的一個運作裡邊 |
| 02:26:19,100 | 02:26:21,100 | 我們就可以直接來把他納入 |
| 02:26:21,100 | 02:26:24,100 | 在程序裡邊來做改善 |
| 02:26:24,100 | 02:26:27,100 | 好 司藥委員還有什麼意見 |
| 02:26:27,100 | 02:26:30,100 | 因為就這個部分我們就先聚焦這一題 |
| 02:26:30,100 | 02:26:34,100 | 非常謝謝部長跟那個司長剛都正面的回應了 |
| 02:26:34,100 | 02:26:38,100 | 我們從清大的這件事情去補強制度的缺漏 |
| 02:26:38,100 | 02:26:41,100 | 那我是具體的想法我再講清楚一點 |
| 02:26:41,100 | 02:26:44,100 | 第一個我認為要強化 |
| 02:26:44,100 | 02:26:47,100 | 在這個校長林選組織級運作辦法裡頭 |
| 02:26:47,100 | 02:26:48,100 | 要去強化什麼 |
| 02:26:48,100 | 02:26:51,100 | 就是在一定的期限內 |
| 02:26:51,100 | 02:26:53,100 | 首任你當然可能比較不適宜 |
| 02:26:53,100 | 02:26:57,100 | 因為大家都在求職我可能零聘這一間零聘這一間 |
| 02:26:57,100 | 02:27:00,100 | 但是在續任的規定是要拉開的 |
| 02:27:00,100 | 02:27:03,100 | 續任跟第一次任可能是規定要拉開 |
| 02:27:03,100 | 02:27:09,100 | 第二個一定的申報就是揭露 |
| 02:27:09,100 | 02:27:13,100 | 在續任的時候我是不是同時也有去尋求 |
| 02:27:13,100 | 02:27:15,100 | 或是受邀到國際的什麼學校 |
| 02:27:15,100 | 02:27:20,100 | 我坦白講台灣如果有一些本土級的高教人才 |
| 02:27:20,100 | 02:27:24,100 | 可以被其他國際大學拔著 |
| 02:27:24,100 | 02:27:26,100 | 這也是我們國力的延伸 |
| 02:27:26,100 | 02:27:30,100 | 但是不能影響到他如果是現在的這個校務的推動 |
| 02:27:30,100 | 02:27:33,100 | 所以一定的申報機制 |
| 02:27:33,100 | 02:27:34,100 | 揭露機制是要的 |
| 02:27:34,100 | 02:27:41,100 | 第三個是不是也能夠有一個誠信的承諾書的簽署 |
| 02:27:41,100 | 02:27:45,100 | 其實我們很多東西我們在選舉過程都要主動揭露 |
| 02:27:45,100 | 02:27:47,100 | 我沒有怎樣我沒有怎樣 |
| 02:27:47,100 | 02:27:49,100 | 我不會怎樣我不會怎樣 |
| 02:27:49,100 | 02:27:53,100 | 我覺得這個是不會去傷及這個求職人家覺得說 |
| 02:27:53,100 | 02:27:55,100 | 你好像管我管太多 |
| 02:27:55,100 | 02:27:58,100 | 或者是說你侵犯了我個人的尊嚴 |
| 02:27:58,100 | 02:27:59,100 | 我覺得不至於 |
| 02:27:59,100 | 02:28:01,100 | 因為本來現在有很多的公職 |
| 02:28:01,100 | 02:28:03,100 | 其實包括公務人員也是 |
| 02:28:03,100 | 02:28:08,100 | 你要簽一些我服務國家我應當服從的這個事項 |
| 02:28:08,100 | 02:28:09,100 | 服從的法規 |
| 02:28:09,100 | 02:28:12,100 | 所以我具體的是連任跟新任 |
| 02:28:12,100 | 02:28:16,100 | 也許時間要處理狀況不同 |
| 02:28:16,100 | 02:28:20,100 | 第二個一定的申報或是叫做揭露的機制 |
| 02:28:20,100 | 02:28:26,100 | 第三個是不是能夠來簽署一個誠信的承諾書 |
| 02:28:26,100 | 02:28:29,100 | 我在我的任內我不會再怎樣 |
| 02:28:29,100 | 02:28:31,100 | 絕對不會我覺得這個是需要 |
| 02:28:31,100 | 02:28:33,100 | 這是對於學校的校務發展 |
| 02:28:33,100 | 02:28:40,100 | 跟他治理學校他自己的誠信跟他自己的這個權威 |
| 02:28:40,100 | 02:28:43,100 | 他不會受到這個領導的挑戰 |
| 02:28:43,100 | 02:28:46,100 | 這是我具體的在內容上的建議 |
| 02:28:46,100 | 02:28:49,100 | 我覺得那個執法運作辦法一定要改 |
| 02:28:49,100 | 02:28:53,100 | 至於是不是到第九條到魔法 |
| 02:28:53,100 | 02:28:55,100 | 我看的條文似乎不需要 |
| 02:28:55,100 | 02:28:58,100 | 因為那個魔法是比較general的 |
| 02:28:58,100 | 02:29:01,100 | 對授權執法去做這是我第二個補充 |
| 02:29:01,100 | 02:29:04,100 | 第三個是我希望給你們一個時間 |
| 02:29:04,100 | 02:29:07,100 | 你們好好去研議下個會期之前 |
| 02:29:07,100 | 02:29:09,100 | 其實馬上就要新會期了 |
| 02:29:09,100 | 02:29:11,100 | 對不起沒有無限延會 |
| 02:29:11,100 | 02:29:13,100 | 我覺得給你們因為這還要聽 |
| 02:29:13,100 | 02:29:15,100 | 要去跟國際大學的經驗學習 |
| 02:29:15,100 | 02:29:17,100 | 然後我們要跟大學校長來討論 |
| 02:29:17,100 | 02:29:19,100 | 給你們兩個月的時間可以嗎 |
| 02:29:19,100 | 02:29:22,100 | 好不好兩個月的時間來做出這個 |
| 02:29:22,100 | 02:29:24,100 | 因應這件事情的機制調整 |
| 02:29:24,100 | 02:29:26,100 | 對對對 |
| 02:29:30,100 | 02:29:32,100 | 它事實上有confidential |
| 02:29:32,100 | 02:29:34,100 | 就是說它必須要保密的 |
| 02:29:34,100 | 02:29:36,100 | 但是到final的這一個階段 |
| 02:29:36,100 | 02:29:39,100 | 它必須要做揭露或者等等 |
| 02:29:39,100 | 02:29:42,100 | 對所以我一直強調 |
| 02:29:42,100 | 02:29:44,100 | 在什麼樣的一定的時間內 |
| 02:29:44,100 | 02:29:47,100 | 我覺得不應當全部寫死 |
| 02:29:47,100 | 02:29:50,100 | 因為這要符合這個高教的競爭 |
| 02:29:50,100 | 02:29:53,100 | 的合理性跟國際的做法 |
| 02:29:53,100 | 02:29:56,100 | 然後剛剛講的謝謝部長回應 |
| 02:29:56,100 | 02:29:58,100 | 我們那時候確實是在那個 |
| 02:29:58,100 | 02:30:01,100 | 任性特別預算裡頭有200億 |
| 02:30:01,100 | 02:30:03,100 | 是for高教競爭力的提升 |
| 02:30:03,100 | 02:30:05,100 | 當中很大一部分就是對於 |
| 02:30:05,100 | 02:30:08,100 | 高教的payment待遇福祉的提升 |
| 02:30:08,100 | 02:30:11,100 | 但是其實還是不夠啦 |
| 02:30:11,100 | 02:30:13,100 | 那我覺得我們優先對於教授 |
| 02:30:13,100 | 02:30:16,100 | 一起來幫忙但是校長本身 |
| 02:30:16,100 | 02:30:18,100 | 我覺得您作為校長出身 |
| 02:30:18,100 | 02:30:20,100 | 校長本身就是教授的薪水 |
| 02:30:20,100 | 02:30:22,100 | 加一點點主管加給 |
| 02:30:22,100 | 02:30:25,100 | 我覺得這個不太合理啦 |
| 02:30:25,100 | 02:30:29,100 | 不太合理啦您應當再處理這樣謝謝 |
| 02:30:29,100 | 02:30:31,100 | 好謝謝思瑤委員 |
| 02:30:31,100 | 02:30:33,100 | 還有沒有其他委員 |
| 02:30:33,100 | 02:30:36,100 | 有意見要補充 |
| 02:30:36,100 | 02:30:40,100 | 好那在這邊呢謝謝大家 |
| 02:30:40,100 | 02:30:43,100 | 因為今天出席的十位委員 |
| 02:30:43,100 | 02:30:46,100 | 每一個人都有發言 |
| 02:30:46,100 | 02:30:50,100 | 也都有教育部所做的充分回應 |
| 02:30:50,100 | 02:30:53,100 | 那在這邊我想要告訴大家 |
| 02:30:53,100 | 02:30:56,100 | 因為我們今天很高興 |
| 02:30:56,100 | 02:31:01,100 | 讓這個20年前全面修正以後 |
| 02:31:01,100 | 02:31:05,100 | 都已經沒有再做大處理的大學法 |
| 02:31:05,100 | 02:31:07,100 | 我們在這個會期 |
| 02:31:07,100 | 02:31:10,100 | 有讓他進入到詢答 |
| 02:31:10,100 | 02:31:12,100 | 也有安排公聽會 |
| 02:31:12,100 | 02:31:17,100 | 那甚至在進行逐條討論之前 |
| 02:31:17,100 | 02:31:21,100 | 我們也有很完整的一個大體討論 |
| 02:31:21,100 | 02:31:25,100 | 所以在這裡我們想告訴所有 |
| 02:31:25,100 | 02:31:27,100 | 關心大學法的朋友 |
| 02:31:27,100 | 02:31:29,100 | 我們今天重視大學法 |
| 02:31:29,100 | 02:31:31,100 | 不是因為我們認為 |
| 02:31:31,100 | 02:31:33,100 | 所有的問題都有答案 |
| 02:31:33,100 | 02:31:36,100 | 特別是高等教育的環境 |
| 02:31:36,100 | 02:31:37,100 | 經非喜比 |
| 02:31:37,100 | 02:31:39,100 | 發生非常大的變化 |
| 02:31:39,100 | 02:31:41,100 | 我們對於這些問題 |
| 02:31:41,100 | 02:31:43,100 | 已經不能夠不再面對 |
| 02:31:43,100 | 02:31:45,100 | 我們必須面對 |
| 02:31:45,100 | 02:31:46,100 | 那坦白說 |
| 02:31:46,100 | 02:31:49,100 | 修法可能也涉及不同團體的立場 |
| 02:31:49,100 | 02:31:53,100 | 但是教育部一定要在高教政策 |
| 02:31:53,100 | 02:31:56,100 | 學校自主跟師生權益之間 |
| 02:31:56,100 | 02:31:59,100 | 提出可以實際執行的 |
| 02:31:59,100 | 02:32:01,100 | 一個好的制度 |
| 02:32:02,100 | 02:32:06,100 | 在這裡我本席也會請教育部 |
| 02:32:06,100 | 02:32:10,100 | 依照今天所有委員的討論跟要求 |
| 02:32:10,100 | 02:32:13,100 | 針對公司立大學治理的差異 |
| 02:32:13,100 | 02:32:15,100 | 師生參與的最低保障 |
| 02:32:15,100 | 02:32:20,100 | 相關比例程序提出具體整合文字 |
| 02:32:20,100 | 02:32:23,100 | 包括之前業員之委員 |
| 02:32:23,100 | 02:32:25,100 | 也希望教育部要調查 |
| 02:32:25,100 | 02:32:29,100 | 學生出席校務會議的情形等等 |
| 02:32:29,100 | 02:32:34,100 | 希望教育部能夠把今天所做的要求 |
| 02:32:34,100 | 02:32:38,100 | 能夠提出一個具體的整合文字給委員會 |
| 02:32:38,100 | 02:32:41,100 | 那麼本席也會依照進度 |
| 02:32:41,100 | 02:32:43,100 | 持續的安排審查 |
| 02:32:43,100 | 02:32:45,100 | 下一個會期 |
| 02:32:45,100 | 02:32:48,100 | 我相信我們的召委 |
| 02:32:48,100 | 02:32:51,100 | 也對大學法非常的重視 |
| 02:32:51,100 | 02:32:53,100 | 絕對不會讓今天的討論 |
| 02:32:53,100 | 02:32:55,100 | 成為一次性的會議 |
| 02:32:55,100 | 02:32:58,100 | 更不會讓各界再等二十年 |
| 02:32:58,100 | 02:33:00,100 | 所以在這邊非常感謝 |
| 02:33:00,100 | 02:33:03,100 | 那我們大體討論完畢 |
| 02:33:05,100 | 02:33:08,100 | 那委員提出的部分 |
| 02:33:08,100 | 02:33:09,100 | 相關的資料 |
| 02:33:09,100 | 02:33:10,100 | 為其答覆的部分 |
| 02:33:10,100 | 02:33:16,100 | 請教育部儘速以書面提交委員會答覆委員 |
| 02:33:16,100 | 02:33:19,100 | 那因為今天中午還有安排 |
| 02:33:19,100 | 02:33:22,100 | 司馬庫斯的考察行程 |
| 02:33:22,100 | 02:33:25,100 | 那很高興我們也回應學生團體 |
| 02:33:25,100 | 02:33:29,100 | 那我們特別安排此次的一個大學法的進度 |
| 02:33:29,100 | 02:33:31,100 | 大學法相關修正草案 |
| 02:33:31,100 | 02:33:34,100 | 我們就先討論到此 |
| 02:33:34,100 | 02:33:36,100 | 另定期繼續審查 |
| 02:33:36,100 | 02:33:37,100 | 報告委員會 |
| 02:33:37,100 | 02:33:39,100 | 今天的議程處理完畢 |
| 02:33:39,100 | 02:33:40,100 | 現在散會 |
| 02:33:40,100 | 02:33:42,100 | 謝謝大家 |