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| 00:31:30,370 | 00:31:34,649 | 三個黨團稍微跟他們溝通過 |
| 00:31:34,649 | 00:31:37,050 | 溝通過 等一下一會兒 |
| 00:31:37,050 | 00:31:37,649 | 謝謝 |
| 00:31:37,649 | 00:31:38,209 | 就保留 |
| 00:31:38,209 | 00:31:39,209 | 好的好的 |
| 00:31:55,380 | 00:31:57,300 | 那我們現在三黨都有黨團幹部在 |
| 00:31:57,300 | 00:31:58,660 | 我們就開始開會好嗎 |
| 00:31:58,660 | 00:32:00,380 | 因為時間寶貴 |
| 00:32:00,380 | 00:32:01,860 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:32:01,860 | 00:32:05,340 | 謝謝三位黨團的幹部跟代表 |
| 00:32:05,340 | 00:32:07,020 | 也謝謝行政部門的練習 |
| 00:32:07,020 | 00:32:08,700 | 謝謝所有工作夥伴 |
| 00:32:08,700 | 00:32:10,420 | 今天我們協商題目兩個 |
| 00:32:10,420 | 00:32:12,260 | 第一個是監察院人事同意權 |
| 00:32:12,260 | 00:32:14,740 | 第二題是115年度總預算案 |
| 00:32:14,740 | 00:32:16,180 | 公務預算部分 |
| 00:32:16,180 | 00:32:18,260 | 我們依序進行協商 |
| 00:32:18,260 | 00:32:21,220 | 針對監委同意權的審查時程 |
| 00:32:21,220 | 00:32:24,820 | 依法我們預計在8月份完成 |
| 00:32:24,820 | 00:32:28,179 | 公聽會跟全院委會的審查時程 |
| 00:32:28,179 | 00:32:30,659 | 這一定要特別跟各位黨團報告 |
| 00:32:30,659 | 00:32:33,379 | 在這邊有一個協商的草稿 |
| 00:32:33,379 | 00:32:35,379 | 我會請議事人員先來發下去 |
| 00:32:35,940 | 00:32:37,300 | 等一下我會來宣讀 |
| 00:32:37,300 | 00:32:39,140 | 各位拿到手上之後 |
| 00:32:39,140 | 00:32:41,380 | 原則上我們是一場公聽會 |
| 00:32:41,380 | 00:32:45,940 | 加上五天的全院委員會進行審查 |
| 00:32:45,940 | 00:32:49,940 | 全院委員會是利用星期二跟星期四來進行 |
| 00:32:50,630 | 00:32:52,630 | 那請各位黨團幹部看一下 |
| 00:32:52,630 | 00:32:54,150 | 如果沒有意見的話呢 |
| 00:32:54,150 | 00:32:56,150 | 我們就來簽字 |
| 00:32:58,270 | 00:32:58,910 | 這個 |
| 00:33:01,590 | 00:33:03,590 | 我們這邊有三個重點 |
| 00:33:03,590 | 00:33:05,590 | 1.8月6號 |
| 00:33:05,430 | 00:33:09,430 | 星期四舉行監察院人事同意權案公聽會 |
| 00:33:09,430 | 00:33:13,430 | 各黨團推薦學者專家代表7位參加 |
| 00:33:13,430 | 00:33:15,430 | 國民黨團推派3位 |
| 00:33:15,430 | 00:33:17,430 | 民進黨團推派3位 |
| 00:33:17,430 | 00:33:19,430 | 台灣民眾黨團推派1位 |
| 00:33:19,430 | 00:33:21,430 | 各黨團審查小組委員 |
| 00:33:21,430 | 00:33:23,430 | 依上述比例 |
| 00:33:23,430 | 00:33:25,430 | 推派委員組成 |
| 00:33:25,430 | 00:33:29,430 | 名單請於7月31號星期五中午12點前 |
| 00:33:29,430 | 00:33:31,430 | 送交藝術處會診 |
| 00:33:31,430 | 00:33:33,430 | 御時勢同放棄 |
| 00:33:33,430 | 00:33:35,430 | 8月11號星期二 |
| 00:33:35,430 | 00:33:37,430 | 18號星期二 |
| 00:33:37,430 | 00:33:39,430 | 25號星期二改開全院委員會 |
| 00:33:40,370 | 00:33:42,370 | 並與8月13號星期四 |
| 00:33:42,370 | 00:33:44,370 | 20號星期四合併為一次會 |
| 00:33:44,370 | 00:33:48,370 | 8月11號星期二上午分別審查 |
| 00:33:48,370 | 00:33:52,370 | 監察院院長監察院副院長被提名人 |
| 00:33:52,570 | 00:33:54,570 | 並由7位委員進行詢答 |
| 00:33:54,570 | 00:33:56,570 | 國民黨團推派3位 |
| 00:33:56,570 | 00:33:58,570 | 民進黨團推派1位 |
| 00:33:58,570 | 00:34:00,570 | 台灣民眾黨團推派1位代表進行 |
| 00:34:00,570 | 00:34:02,570 | 8月11號星期二下午 |
| 00:34:02,570 | 00:34:04,570 | 13號星期四 |
| 00:34:04,570 | 00:34:06,570 | 18號星期二 |
| 00:34:06,570 | 00:34:08,569 | 20號星期四 |
| 00:34:08,569 | 00:34:10,569 | 25號星期二分別審查 |
| 00:34:10,569 | 00:34:12,569 | 監察委員被提名人 |
| 00:34:12,569 | 00:34:16,569 | 每位被提名人由5位委員進行詢答 |
| 00:34:16,569 | 00:34:18,569 | 國民黨團推派2位 |
| 00:34:18,569 | 00:34:20,569 | 民進黨團推派2位 |
| 00:34:20,570 | 00:34:22,570 | 民進黨團推派1位代表進行 |
| 00:34:22,570 | 00:34:24,570 | 名單請於8月10號 |
| 00:34:24,570 | 00:34:26,570 | 星期一中午12點前送交意識處會診 |
| 00:34:26,570 | 00:34:28,570 | 遇時視同放棄 |
| 00:34:28,570 | 00:34:32,570 | 詢答順序一律授權意識處進行處理 |
| 00:34:33,360 | 00:34:35,360 | 審查完畢之後 |
| 00:34:35,360 | 00:34:37,360 | 於第六會期進行同意全案 |
| 00:34:37,360 | 00:34:39,360 | 計明表決 |
| 00:34:39,360 | 00:34:41,360 | 3.有關監察院院長 |
| 00:34:41,360 | 00:34:43,360 | 副院長及25位監察委員 |
| 00:34:43,360 | 00:34:45,360 | 被提名人同意全案 |
| 00:34:45,360 | 00:34:47,360 | 相關事務及 |
| 00:34:47,360 | 00:34:49,360 | 時程詳如複表 |
| 00:34:49,360 | 00:34:51,360 | 請大家可以看一下後面的複表 |
| 00:34:51,360 | 00:34:53,360 | 如果沒有意見,麻煩三個黨團 |
| 00:34:54,719 | 00:34:56,719 | 現在可以簽字嗎?還是要發言? |
| 00:35:00,720 | 00:35:02,720 | 好,翁小姐請發言 |
| 00:35:30,720 | 00:35:32,720 | 請發言 |
| 00:35:36,730 | 00:35:38,730 | 請發言 |
| 00:35:41,110 | 00:35:43,110 | 請發言 |
| 00:35:44,120 | 00:35:46,120 | 謝謝 |
| 00:35:46,480 | 00:35:48,480 | 所以以前好像是可以的 |
| 00:35:48,480 | 00:35:50,480 | 但是後來是因為修法之後就不行了嗎? |
| 00:35:52,640 | 00:35:54,640 | 好,了解了解 |
| 00:35:54,640 | 00:35:56,640 | 一定是100一眼都是照規定的 |
| 00:35:56,640 | 00:35:58,640 | 一定會改修的 |
| 00:35:58,640 | 00:36:00,640 | 對,好 |
| 00:36:00,640 | 00:36:02,640 | 那各位委員如果沒有意見,請各黨的代表請簽字好嗎? |
| 00:36:04,770 | 00:36:06,770 | 我們就完成第一案的草野協商 |
| 00:37:00,660 | 00:37:02,660 | 各位黨團幹部更正一下 |
| 00:37:02,660 | 00:37:06,660 | 因為8月25號有非常多重要的法案要審查 |
| 00:37:06,660 | 00:37:08,660 | 我們多留一天當彈性 |
| 00:37:08,660 | 00:37:10,660 | 所以 |
| 00:37:10,660 | 00:37:12,660 | 最後全院委員會第五場 |
| 00:37:12,660 | 00:37:14,660 | 監察院同意審查報告 |
| 00:37:14,660 | 00:37:16,660 | 我們改提早一天8月24號 |
| 00:37:16,660 | 00:37:18,660 | 這樣我們25號就全部控出來了 |
| 00:37:18,660 | 00:37:20,660 | 我們有非常多的法律院這一天 |
| 00:37:20,660 | 00:37:22,660 | 可能要進行處理 |
| 00:37:22,660 | 00:37:24,660 | 好吧 |
| 00:37:24,660 | 00:37:26,660 | 麻煩一下大家 |
| 00:37:26,660 | 00:37:28,660 | 我們現在更改25改為24 |
| 00:37:30,870 | 00:37:32,870 | 對,24號就最後一場 |
| 00:37:32,870 | 00:37:34,870 | 對,那25號這一天我們要全部 |
| 00:37:34,870 | 00:37:36,870 | 拿過來處理法律案 |
| 00:37:43,370 | 00:37:47,370 | 現在手上有一個改好的,麻煩大家根據這個改好的來簽一下,謝謝 |
| 00:41:56,010 | 00:41:58,010 | 時間非常長 |
| 00:41:58,010 | 00:42:00,010 | 好,謝謝 |
| 00:42:05,240 | 00:42:07,240 | 謝謝各位黨團幹部 |
| 00:42:07,240 | 00:42:09,240 | 我們進入第二題 |
| 00:42:09,240 | 00:42:11,240 | 115年度總預算案 |
| 00:42:11,240 | 00:42:13,240 | 公務預算部分的協商 |
| 00:42:13,490 | 00:42:15,490 | 那今天我們原則上協商時間 |
| 00:42:15,490 | 00:42:17,490 | 下午六點 |
| 00:42:18,150 | 00:42:20,150 | 原則上協商時間到下午六點 |
| 00:42:21,270 | 00:42:27,270 | 那我們現在來介紹今天與會的所有的各內閣的官員 |
| 00:42:27,270 | 00:42:29,270 | 首先我們歡迎行政院張秘書長 |
| 00:42:29,270 | 00:42:31,270 | 歡迎您 |
| 00:42:31,270 | 00:42:33,270 | 國家發展委員會業主任委員 |
| 00:42:34,160 | 00:42:36,160 | 經濟部國務長歡迎您 |
| 00:42:37,340 | 00:42:39,340 | 主計總處陳主計長歡迎您 |
| 00:42:40,370 | 00:42:42,370 | 監察院黃秘書長 |
| 00:42:45,590 | 00:42:47,590 | 監察院黃秘書長 |
| 00:42:50,110 | 00:42:52,110 | 監察院有代表來嗎 |
| 00:42:52,020 | 00:42:54,020 | 現在也監察院了嗎 |
| 00:42:57,320 | 00:42:59,320 | 好,我們通知一下監察院黃秘書長 |
| 00:42:59,320 | 00:43:01,320 | 監察院黃秘書長請坐 |
| 00:43:01,320 | 00:43:03,320 | 好,謝謝,謝謝各位練習的官員 |
| 00:43:05,550 | 00:43:11,550 | 好,我們現在進入115年度中央政府總預算案通案協商提案會進入第一案組 |
| 00:43:12,570 | 00:43:14,570 | 謝謝 |
| 00:43:14,750 | 00:43:16,750 | 翁小林委員所提案,請問翁委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:43:18,070 | 00:43:24,070 | 沒有意見了,因為我的提案基本上也跟主計總處這裡討論過 |
| 00:43:24,070 | 00:43:26,070 | 他們也提了這個文字的修正 |
| 00:43:26,070 | 00:43:28,070 | 那我這邊也同意了 |
| 00:43:28,070 | 00:43:30,070 | 所以基本上第一案是沒有問題 |
| 00:43:30,070 | 00:43:38,070 | 我第一案主要是希望說未來各個機關可以上網公告他們的預算和決算以及會計報告的資料 |
| 00:43:38,070 | 00:43:42,070 | 而且必須要提供各種不同的檔案格式 |
| 00:43:42,070 | 00:43:48,070 | 這也方便民眾,有興趣的民眾還有立法委員問政時候的作業 |
| 00:43:50,370 | 00:43:54,370 | 那就這個部分來說,主計總處沒有意見,我們已經討論過了 |
| 00:43:54,370 | 00:43:57,370 | 好的,好,謝謝翁小林委員的發言 |
| 00:43:57,370 | 00:43:59,370 | 那跟主計總處協調過 |
| 00:43:59,370 | 00:44:07,370 | 就是改正上述的缺失,把它調整為檢討精進,落實執行這八個字 |
| 00:44:07,370 | 00:44:09,370 | 好,主計總處 |
| 00:44:09,370 | 00:44:13,370 | 已經並且在兩個月內,向立法院財政委員會提出改正 |
| 00:44:13,370 | 00:44:15,370 | 我同意,好,張秘書長請 |
| 00:44:16,480 | 00:44:19,480 | 謝謝院長、謝謝翁委員,這八個字是我改的 |
| 00:44:19,480 | 00:44:24,480 | 因為不同的格式,在不同的系統界面都能夠廣泛運用 |
| 00:44:24,480 | 00:44:27,480 | 對開放政府也是好事,也是我們一貫的立場 |
| 00:44:27,480 | 00:44:32,480 | 所以我覺得原本的寫法不夠具體,所以我把它改成檢討精進,落實執行 |
| 00:44:32,480 | 00:44:33,480 | 那謝謝院長、謝謝委員 |
| 00:44:33,480 | 00:44:36,480 | 好,謝謝,那我們第一案就修正通過 |
| 00:44:36,480 | 00:44:38,480 | 我們進入第二案 |
| 00:44:39,440 | 00:44:43,440 | 國民黨團的主決議,請國民黨團表達一下意見 |
| 00:44:43,440 | 00:44:45,440 | 裡面有修正文字,請 |
| 00:44:55,740 | 00:44:58,740 | 你們改為山坡地及平地造林 |
| 00:44:58,740 | 00:45:00,740 | 請國民黨團表達一下意見 |
| 00:45:00,740 | 00:45:03,740 | 基本上針對這個都市林這句話 |
| 00:45:03,740 | 00:45:06,740 | 其實我們後來把它改成山坡地跟平地造林 |
| 00:45:06,740 | 00:45:09,740 | 跟後面有關增加行政效率,應負起更多責任 |
| 00:45:09,740 | 00:45:12,740 | 都是為了希望說在這個主決議裡面 |
| 00:45:12,740 | 00:45:16,740 | 我們的予意能夠更清楚,更能夠聚焦在我們想要改善的問題,以上 |
| 00:45:19,470 | 00:45:20,470 | 好 |
| 00:45:20,430 | 00:45:22,430 | 謝謝,謝謝林沛祥市議長 |
| 00:45:22,430 | 00:45:24,430 | 那個龔部長經濟部要表達一下意見嗎? |
| 00:45:26,070 | 00:45:28,070 | 經濟會要表達一下意見,請 |
| 00:45:28,070 | 00:45:29,070 | 張院長請 |
| 00:45:29,560 | 00:45:31,560 | 謝謝院長,謝謝林沛祥委員 |
| 00:45:31,560 | 00:45:34,560 | 第一個我必須要先說明一下 |
| 00:45:34,560 | 00:45:38,560 | 這個原本國民黨團的提案,確實都市林可能有點誤解 |
| 00:45:38,560 | 00:45:43,560 | 農業部的自然碳會的計畫,確實是在處理山坡地跟平地造林 |
| 00:45:43,560 | 00:45:47,560 | 所以謝謝國民黨團有做文字的修正 |
| 00:45:47,560 | 00:45:51,560 | 那這也證明了說,這個行政部門有山坡地跟平地造林 |
| 00:45:51,560 | 00:45:55,560 | 而總統所召開的國家氣候變遷對策委員會 |
| 00:45:55,560 | 00:45:57,560 | 處理都市林的部分剛好是相輔相成 |
| 00:45:57,560 | 00:46:00,560 | 也證明了在總統府設立這樣子的一個委員會 |
| 00:46:00,560 | 00:46:03,560 | 有其意義價值跟必要性,謝謝 |
| 00:46:04,830 | 00:46:08,830 | 好,那現在我們就根據這個國民黨團所提的修正 |
| 00:46:08,830 | 00:46:12,830 | 以及張秘書長剛才所報告的,我們把它修正通過 |
| 00:46:12,830 | 00:46:14,830 | 好,謝謝,我們進入第三案 |
| 00:46:21,330 | 00:46:25,330 | 我們第三案是國民黨黨團所提的提案 |
| 00:46:25,330 | 00:46:27,330 | 請國民黨黨團要不要補充一切 |
| 00:46:31,000 | 00:46:35,000 | 好,謝謝院長,因為是有關CPTPP這個案子 |
| 00:46:35,000 | 00:46:38,000 | 其實從過去到現在,當CPTPP出來之後 |
| 00:46:38,000 | 00:46:40,000 | 其實大家都很關注 |
| 00:46:40,000 | 00:46:42,000 | 但是很可惜的,就是說到目前為止 |
| 00:46:42,000 | 00:46:44,000 | 效果不彰,然後進度也不明顯 |
| 00:46:44,000 | 00:46:47,000 | 所以我們在這邊期待用主決議的方式 |
| 00:46:47,000 | 00:46:51,000 | 來讓CPTPP整個辦公室也好,還是未來的加入也好 |
| 00:46:51,000 | 00:46:53,000 | 能夠更加進速,謝謝 |
| 00:46:54,630 | 00:46:56,630 | 那館部長您需要補充嗎?還是不用? |
| 00:46:56,630 | 00:46:58,630 | 我們就照樣通過了,好,張秘書長請 |
| 00:47:00,380 | 00:47:02,380 | 好,謝謝院長,謝謝林委員 |
| 00:47:02,380 | 00:47:05,380 | 畢竟主決議還是會落實在預算書上面 |
| 00:47:05,380 | 00:47:08,380 | 所以有幾個關於時序上面的問題 |
| 00:47:08,380 | 00:47:11,380 | 可能要提出來討論一下 |
| 00:47:11,380 | 00:47:13,380 | 第一個確實這個 |
| 00:47:15,550 | 00:47:18,550 | 台灣申請加入CPTPP是在2021年的9月 |
| 00:47:18,550 | 00:47:20,550 | 但第一個 |
| 00:47:20,770 | 00:47:24,770 | 中央政府解禁日本福島五線食品進口的限制 |
| 00:47:24,770 | 00:47:26,770 | 並不是發生在2021年 |
| 00:47:26,770 | 00:47:28,770 | 是分做兩個階段 |
| 00:47:28,770 | 00:47:31,770 | 第一個階段是在2022年的2月 |
| 00:47:31,770 | 00:47:34,770 | 那個時候還有三原則三管制 |
| 00:47:34,770 | 00:47:37,770 | 所以第二個時間點的問題是在於 |
| 00:47:37,770 | 00:47:40,770 | 隔年日本在台代表全裕泰還表示 |
| 00:47:40,770 | 00:47:44,770 | 全裕泰代表也不是在2022年 |
| 00:47:44,770 | 00:47:46,770 | 做以下的表示,他是在2021年 |
| 00:47:46,770 | 00:47:50,770 | 也就是同年在一個活動上講的這句話 |
| 00:47:50,770 | 00:47:54,770 | 所以這個部分是不是可以提出部分的修正 |
| 00:47:54,770 | 00:47:57,770 | 第二個是從國民黨團的提案 |
| 00:47:57,770 | 00:47:59,770 | 我們也可以看得出來 |
| 00:47:59,770 | 00:48:01,770 | 這邊提案有提到說 |
| 00:48:01,770 | 00:48:04,770 | 台灣就對新加坡、紐西蘭、加拿大、澳洲等 |
| 00:48:04,770 | 00:48:07,770 | 簽訂雙邊的貿易協定 |
| 00:48:07,770 | 00:48:10,770 | 也證明了政府有在推動CPTPP加入努力 |
| 00:48:10,770 | 00:48:13,770 | 而在國民黨團所提案的文字裡面 |
| 00:48:13,770 | 00:48:15,770 | 也有提到說 |
| 00:48:15,770 | 00:48:18,770 | 越南的一中政策未變之下等等 |
| 00:48:18,770 | 00:48:23,770 | 也證明了確實中國才是阻礙台灣加入CPTPP的最關鍵因素 |
| 00:48:23,770 | 00:48:26,770 | 所以是否能夠做一些文字修正 |
| 00:48:26,770 | 00:48:30,770 | 這邊也跟院長、跟立法院、跟全體國人報告 |
| 00:48:30,770 | 00:48:35,770 | 行政院一直在希望把OTN的體質做得更好 |
| 00:48:35,770 | 00:48:40,770 | 去年卓院長就核定了6個OTN正式編制的緣額 |
| 00:48:40,770 | 00:48:45,770 | 那如果今年行政院用本部的預算能夠順利的通過 |
| 00:48:45,770 | 00:48:48,770 | 我們也期望在下半年再新增緣額 |
| 00:48:48,770 | 00:48:52,770 | 而即將送來立法院的116年度中央政府總預算 |
| 00:48:52,770 | 00:48:55,770 | 我們也會再幫OTN增加緣額 |
| 00:48:55,770 | 00:48:57,770 | 所以是否能夠再 |
| 00:48:57,920 | 00:48:59,920 | 到數第三段的部分 |
| 00:48:59,920 | 00:49:04,920 | 可以改為要求行政院因加速改組行政院經貿辦公室 |
| 00:49:04,920 | 00:49:07,920 | 那後面的文字可以直接接到 |
| 00:49:07,920 | 00:49:10,920 | 尋求穩定理性的兩岸互動方式 |
| 00:49:10,920 | 00:49:14,920 | 避利我國申請加入CPTPP進程取得實質進展 |
| 00:49:14,920 | 00:49:15,920 | 以上建議 |
| 00:49:15,920 | 00:49:17,920 | 謝謝張院長補充 |
| 00:49:17,920 | 00:49:21,920 | 那現在張院長你現在剛才發下來就是你們建議的一個文字修正 |
| 00:49:21,920 | 00:49:23,920 | 好請各黨團幹部看一下 |
| 00:49:23,920 | 00:49:26,920 | 這個三個黨團先看一下 |
| 00:49:26,920 | 00:49:28,920 | 有幾個文字修正 |
| 00:49:28,920 | 00:49:30,920 | 然後請國民黨團表達一下意見 |
| 00:49:30,920 | 00:49:31,920 | 大家先看一下 |
| 00:49:31,920 | 00:49:33,920 | 解禁前面加逐步 |
| 00:49:34,600 | 00:49:36,600 | 無妄改為無果 |
| 00:49:37,250 | 00:49:41,250 | 實質合作前面加上推動更新 |
| 00:49:41,250 | 00:49:47,250 | 或洽簽雙邊經貿協議協定等 |
| 00:49:48,000 | 00:49:50,000 | 那再來倒數第三行 |
| 00:49:50,000 | 00:49:52,000 | 立即改為加速 |
| 00:49:52,960 | 00:49:54,960 | 國民黨團看完之後 |
| 00:49:54,960 | 00:49:56,960 | 台灣民眾黨團看有沒有意見 |
| 00:49:57,870 | 00:49:59,870 | 好請林佩祥書記長 |
| 00:49:59,870 | 00:50:03,870 | 報告院長我覺得用加速這個字眼我個人覺得有點籠統 |
| 00:50:03,870 | 00:50:08,870 | 事實上來講我們就是期待有專業人才進來這個CPTPP辦公室 |
| 00:50:08,870 | 00:50:10,870 | 那如果使用加速這兩字的話 |
| 00:50:10,870 | 00:50:11,870 | 六個月也算加速 |
| 00:50:11,870 | 00:50:12,870 | 三年也算加速 |
| 00:50:12,870 | 00:50:14,870 | 那我們會期待說 |
| 00:50:14,870 | 00:50:16,870 | 要有一個時間 |
| 00:50:16,870 | 00:50:18,870 | 要有一個很確切的時間 |
| 00:50:18,870 | 00:50:20,870 | 什麼時候能夠改組 |
| 00:50:20,870 | 00:50:22,870 | 以專業人才來改組 |
| 00:50:22,870 | 00:50:25,870 | 那像是說剛剛院長提三個月啊兩個月之類的 |
| 00:50:25,870 | 00:50:27,870 | 我覺得這樣是比較妥當的方式 |
| 00:50:27,870 | 00:50:29,870 | 我們建議是兩個月 |
| 00:50:29,870 | 00:50:31,870 | 那個國民黨團提的加速 |
| 00:50:33,030 | 00:50:34,030 | 立即 |
| 00:50:34,030 | 00:50:35,030 | 馬上 |
| 00:50:35,030 | 00:50:36,030 | 迅速 |
| 00:50:37,020 | 00:50:39,020 | 那這個太抽象了 |
| 00:50:39,020 | 00:50:41,020 | 就是定為兩個月張秉立長您覺得怎麼樣 |
| 00:50:42,140 | 00:50:44,140 | 我想三個月可不可以 |
| 00:50:44,140 | 00:50:45,140 | 三個月好嗎 |
| 00:50:45,140 | 00:50:46,140 | 好 |
| 00:50:46,140 | 00:50:47,140 | 三個月 |
| 00:50:47,140 | 00:50:49,140 | 那我們加速就改為三個月 |
| 00:50:49,140 | 00:50:51,140 | 行政院在三個月之內 |
| 00:50:51,140 | 00:50:53,140 | 我們就改組行政院及貿易辦公室 |
| 00:50:53,140 | 00:50:55,140 | 我想這樣應該可以獲得一個共識 |
| 00:50:55,140 | 00:50:58,140 | 大家各位黨團幹部還有各位練習的委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:50:58,140 | 00:51:01,140 | 沒有意見我們第三案就修正通過 |
| 00:51:01,140 | 00:51:02,140 | 謝謝 |
| 00:51:04,290 | 00:51:06,290 | 第四 |
| 00:51:05,560 | 00:51:07,560 | 第三 |
| 00:51:10,860 | 00:51:14,860 | 好第四案我們國民黨團所提的主決議 |
| 00:51:14,860 | 00:51:16,860 | 文字請他看一下 |
| 00:51:16,860 | 00:51:17,860 | 因為他後面又要簡略 |
| 00:51:17,860 | 00:51:19,860 | 那個文字上有簡略 |
| 00:51:19,860 | 00:51:20,860 | 要請看一下 |
| 00:51:22,280 | 00:51:24,280 | 那請國民黨團還是一樣表達一下意見好嗎 |
| 00:51:24,280 | 00:51:25,280 | 謝謝 |
| 00:51:31,530 | 00:51:33,530 | 好主要是針對說這個公務預算 |
| 00:51:33,530 | 00:51:35,530 | 匡列442億 |
| 00:51:35,530 | 00:51:37,530 | 那其實我們會認為說 |
| 00:51:37,530 | 00:51:39,530 | 在計這個預算來 |
| 00:51:39,530 | 00:51:41,530 | 預算來之後 |
| 00:51:41,530 | 00:51:43,530 | 這個計畫才核定 |
| 00:51:43,530 | 00:51:45,530 | 那我們覺得這樣子可能相對比較起來 |
| 00:51:45,530 | 00:51:48,530 | 公務預算不應該是這樣做編列的方式的 |
| 00:51:48,530 | 00:51:50,530 | 所以說也是因為這樣子我們 |
| 00:51:50,530 | 00:51:51,530 | 我們有這個主決議的存在 |
| 00:51:51,530 | 00:51:52,530 | 以上 |
| 00:51:55,860 | 00:51:56,860 | 以上就是 |
| 00:52:09,110 | 00:52:11,110 | 張秘書長您說明還是請經濟部長 |
| 00:52:11,110 | 00:52:12,110 | 好國務部長謝謝 |
| 00:52:12,110 | 00:52:15,110 | 好我想這個有很大的誤解 |
| 00:52:15,110 | 00:52:17,110 | 因為這個無人機統籌計畫裡面 |
| 00:52:17,110 | 00:52:19,110 | 事實上有包含著 |
| 00:52:19,110 | 00:52:21,110 | 有一些已經是延續性的計畫 |
| 00:52:21,110 | 00:52:24,110 | 比如說我們以經濟部來講 |
| 00:52:24,110 | 00:52:27,110 | 無人機的產業推動的這個計畫裡面 |
| 00:52:27,110 | 00:52:31,110 | 亞洲無人機創新中心的發展計畫 |
| 00:52:31,110 | 00:52:34,110 | 那這個事實上從113年就開始做了 |
| 00:52:34,110 | 00:52:36,110 | 112年就核定了 |
| 00:52:36,110 | 00:52:38,110 | 就是所謂的亞創計畫 |
| 00:52:38,110 | 00:52:40,110 | 那個已經是開始了 |
| 00:52:40,110 | 00:52:43,110 | 這個只是在這個統籌型計畫以後 |
| 00:52:43,110 | 00:52:46,110 | 我們把它匯整到這個統籌型計畫裡面 |
| 00:52:46,110 | 00:52:48,110 | 所以基本上它的預算是一個延續性的 |
| 00:52:48,110 | 00:52:50,110 | 不是 |
| 00:52:50,220 | 00:52:53,220 | 不是後來核定以後才開始做的 |
| 00:52:53,220 | 00:52:54,220 | 不是這樣子 |
| 00:52:54,220 | 00:52:55,220 | 之前就已經核定了 |
| 00:52:55,220 | 00:52:57,220 | 同樣很多計畫也是這樣 |
| 00:52:57,220 | 00:53:00,220 | 包括我們技術師的這個無人機 |
| 00:53:00,220 | 00:53:02,220 | 飛行系統的 |
| 00:53:03,030 | 00:53:05,030 | 國產自主關鍵技術 |
| 00:53:05,030 | 00:53:07,030 | 這個也是從114年就開始做 |
| 00:53:08,210 | 00:53:11,210 | 或者是晶片驅動台灣產業創新的 |
| 00:53:11,210 | 00:53:13,210 | 無人機關鍵晶片的加速計畫 |
| 00:53:13,210 | 00:53:16,210 | 這個也是從114年就開始做 |
| 00:53:16,590 | 00:53:19,590 | 另外國科會的無人機關鍵技術的前瞻計畫 |
| 00:53:19,590 | 00:53:21,590 | 也是114年開始做 |
| 00:53:21,590 | 00:53:22,590 | 等等的一些情況 |
| 00:53:22,590 | 00:53:24,590 | 還有這個國防部這個民雄的 |
| 00:53:24,590 | 00:53:26,590 | 這個航太的產業元器 |
| 00:53:26,590 | 00:53:28,590 | 也是從114年已經開始做了 |
| 00:53:28,590 | 00:53:30,590 | 所以這個很多預算 |
| 00:53:30,590 | 00:53:33,590 | 它不是說核定以後才開始做的 |
| 00:53:33,590 | 00:53:35,590 | 不是這樣的意思 |
| 00:53:35,590 | 00:53:36,590 | 以上說明 |
| 00:53:37,590 | 00:53:39,590 | 謝謝國務部長的說明 |
| 00:53:39,590 | 00:53:41,590 | 還有請宗家賓文說明 |
| 00:53:41,590 | 00:53:44,590 | 國民黨團請看一下最後倒數第二行的字 |
| 00:53:44,590 | 00:53:47,590 | 這有點矛盾的地方 |
| 00:53:47,590 | 00:53:48,590 | 要刪除 |
| 00:53:48,590 | 00:53:50,590 | 我這裡說一個謝謝主席 |
| 00:53:50,590 | 00:53:53,590 | 也對經濟部提出一個詢問 |
| 00:53:53,590 | 00:53:58,590 | 上週一經濟委員會安排到亞創中心進行考察 |
| 00:53:58,590 | 00:54:01,590 | 就你說在那個 |
| 00:54:03,390 | 00:54:05,390 | 就是嘉義的那裡 |
| 00:54:05,390 | 00:54:07,390 | 那蔡議員特別安排 |
| 00:54:07,390 | 00:54:10,390 | 那我們去到那裡看到進駐的廠商相當多 |
| 00:54:10,610 | 00:54:12,610 | 可是現場的情況呢 |
| 00:54:13,650 | 00:54:14,650 | 荒涼 |
| 00:54:15,340 | 00:54:18,340 | 連門口展示的那架無人機呢 |
| 00:54:18,340 | 00:54:21,340 | 因為上次颱風來受到損毀 |
| 00:54:21,340 | 00:54:23,340 | 他們把他機翅翅膀拆下來了 |
| 00:54:23,340 | 00:54:25,340 | 現在還沒有裝上去 |
| 00:54:25,340 | 00:54:27,340 | 那我們就詢問 |
| 00:54:27,520 | 00:54:29,520 | 當天有出席的相關機關 |
| 00:54:30,490 | 00:54:33,490 | 他們說亞創中心他有一期二期三期 |
| 00:54:33,490 | 00:54:35,490 | 那後續的計畫 |
| 00:54:35,490 | 00:54:38,490 | 因為本年度是屬於新創計畫 |
| 00:54:38,490 | 00:54:40,490 | 所以延續性的新創計畫 |
| 00:54:40,490 | 00:54:41,490 | 他不能撥款 |
| 00:54:41,930 | 00:54:43,930 | 所以他們完全不能夠進行 |
| 00:54:43,930 | 00:54:45,930 | 整個場地的更新 |
| 00:54:45,930 | 00:54:47,930 | 建築的興辦 |
| 00:54:47,930 | 00:54:49,930 | 以至於現在進入的廠商 |
| 00:54:49,930 | 00:54:51,930 | 就變成卡在那裡 |
| 00:54:51,450 | 00:54:53,450 | 那他們現在就開始期待 |
| 00:54:53,450 | 00:54:56,450 | 民雄那邊是不是有可以再去興建 |
| 00:54:56,450 | 00:54:58,450 | 那如果行政院對於 |
| 00:54:58,450 | 00:55:00,450 | 已經投入的計畫 |
| 00:55:00,450 | 00:55:04,450 | 持續要推動的後續經費 |
| 00:55:04,450 | 00:55:06,450 | 沒有辦法到位 |
| 00:55:06,450 | 00:55:08,450 | 那進駐的廠商 |
| 00:55:08,450 | 00:55:10,450 | 就會覺得受騙上當 |
| 00:55:10,450 | 00:55:12,450 | 所以我是覺得經濟部這邊要來說明一下 |
| 00:55:12,450 | 00:55:13,450 | 是不是那一天 |
| 00:55:13,450 | 00:55:14,450 | 好像副署長 |
| 00:55:14,450 | 00:55:16,450 | 那天是主任秘書有在場 |
| 00:55:16,450 | 00:55:17,450 | 那我是覺得呢 |
| 00:55:17,450 | 00:55:18,450 | 大家都要看 |
| 00:55:18,450 | 00:55:20,450 | 442億 |
| 00:55:20,450 | 00:55:21,450 | 對行政院來講 |
| 00:55:21,450 | 00:55:23,450 | 他把延續性的新創的 |
| 00:55:23,450 | 00:55:26,450 | 他用一個統籌型計畫的名稱匡列下來 |
| 00:55:26,450 | 00:55:28,450 | 那為的就是讓大家知道 |
| 00:55:28,450 | 00:55:29,450 | 讓業者知道 |
| 00:55:29,450 | 00:55:31,450 | 這些項目都會涉及到 |
| 00:55:31,450 | 00:55:34,450 | 我國未來無人載具產業發展 |
| 00:55:34,450 | 00:55:36,450 | 那因此他們就願意 |
| 00:55:36,450 | 00:55:37,450 | 調撥資源來投入 |
| 00:55:37,450 | 00:55:39,450 | 結果現在就看到了 |
| 00:55:39,450 | 00:55:40,450 | 我們今天這個提案 |
| 00:55:40,450 | 00:55:41,450 | 本來以為是動 |
| 00:55:41,450 | 00:55:43,450 | 也現在說要統三 |
| 00:55:43,450 | 00:55:44,450 | 要把有名目的 |
| 00:55:44,450 | 00:55:47,450 | 掛在這個無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫 |
| 00:55:47,450 | 00:55:49,450 | 這些所有的項目 |
| 00:55:49,450 | 00:55:50,450 | 只要有掛上這個名字的 |
| 00:55:50,450 | 00:55:52,450 | 就認為這個無人載具是不必要的 |
| 00:55:52,450 | 00:55:53,450 | 要刪除的 |
| 00:55:53,450 | 00:55:57,450 | 這個給外界一個很大嚴重錯誤的印象 |
| 00:55:57,450 | 00:55:59,450 | 說我們的國會不重視 |
| 00:55:59,450 | 00:56:01,450 | 台灣未來無人載具的發展 |
| 00:56:01,450 | 00:56:04,450 | 甚至現在在亞創中心進駐那些業者 |
| 00:56:04,450 | 00:56:05,450 | 他們要苦苦等待不到 |
| 00:56:05,450 | 00:56:08,450 | 到底後期的預算什麼時候可以進來 |
| 00:56:08,450 | 00:56:09,450 | 把二期三期的工程完成 |
| 00:56:09,450 | 00:56:10,450 | 謝謝 |
| 00:56:10,450 | 00:56:11,450 | 經濟部能不能說明一下 |
| 00:56:11,450 | 00:56:12,450 | 好 喬編 謝謝 |
| 00:56:12,450 | 00:56:13,450 | 那個 對不起 |
| 00:56:13,450 | 00:56:15,450 | 那國民黨團需不需要再修正 |
| 00:56:15,450 | 00:56:16,450 | 如果不修正 |
| 00:56:16,450 | 00:56:18,450 | 還要再研究好就保留囉 |
| 00:56:19,720 | 00:56:21,720 | 好 副總召請發言 |
| 00:56:22,610 | 00:56:23,610 | 那個院長可不可以 |
| 00:56:23,610 | 00:56:25,610 | 大家都好好講話 |
| 00:56:25,610 | 00:56:27,610 | 我知道 但是我們先 下面 |
| 00:56:27,610 | 00:56:29,610 | 好 先請副總請 |
| 00:56:30,780 | 00:56:35,780 | 我想支持國防產業能夠自主的發展 |
| 00:56:35,780 | 00:56:38,780 | 還有相關的這樣的一個採購 |
| 00:56:38,780 | 00:56:40,780 | 來充斥我們的國防 |
| 00:56:40,780 | 00:56:42,780 | 我想國民黨團 |
| 00:56:42,980 | 00:56:46,980 | 非常堅決的也強力的支持 |
| 00:56:46,980 | 00:56:48,980 | 從過去通過的 |
| 00:56:48,980 | 00:56:50,980 | 尊重發言委員好不好 拜託一下 |
| 00:56:50,980 | 00:56:51,980 | 過去通過 |
| 00:56:51,980 | 00:56:53,980 | 他們就這種水平沒有關係啦 |
| 00:56:53,980 | 00:56:55,980 | 那個從過去 |
| 00:56:55,980 | 00:56:58,980 | 不管是美國有開發酵書 |
| 00:56:58,980 | 00:57:00,980 | 美國國會有通過 |
| 00:57:02,060 | 00:57:04,060 | 美國總統有簽字 |
| 00:57:04,060 | 00:57:07,060 | 過來的這一些 |
| 00:57:07,060 | 00:57:11,060 | 未來這一整個後續的嚴肅維修 |
| 00:57:11,060 | 00:57:13,060 | 相關的這些軍事採購 |
| 00:57:13,060 | 00:57:15,060 | 國民黨都是支持的 |
| 00:57:16,080 | 00:57:18,080 | 我們要特別強調 |
| 00:57:18,530 | 00:57:21,530 | 顧立雄上個禮拜才在立法院出籌 |
| 00:57:22,620 | 00:57:27,620 | 什麼保證啊 賣馬桶的可以進口炸藥 |
| 00:57:28,440 | 00:57:29,440 | 好 |
| 00:57:29,620 | 00:57:32,620 | 這個賣茶葉都可以做其他生意軍火生意 |
| 00:57:33,350 | 00:57:36,350 | 我想這樣的一個浮難的情況 |
| 00:57:36,350 | 00:57:40,350 | 必須要受到一個比較完整的規範 |
| 00:57:41,280 | 00:57:43,280 | 這是一個國家基本啊 |
| 00:57:43,280 | 00:57:45,280 | 對國防一個尊重 |
| 00:57:45,280 | 00:57:47,280 | 對國防一個尊重 |
| 00:57:47,280 | 00:57:49,280 | 所以說無人載具的部分 |
| 00:57:49,280 | 00:57:51,280 | 現在已經世界各國 |
| 00:57:51,280 | 00:57:54,280 | 世界各國幾乎啊 |
| 00:57:54,280 | 00:57:57,280 | 在防衛國防衛上幾乎是最主要的 |
| 00:57:57,280 | 00:57:59,280 | 最主要的利器啊 |
| 00:57:59,280 | 00:58:02,280 | 就是這個無人機的這個載具 |
| 00:58:02,280 | 00:58:06,280 | 那國民黨已經提出兩千四百億 |
| 00:58:06,280 | 00:58:08,280 | 六年兩千四百億 |
| 00:58:08,280 | 00:58:13,280 | 也比行政院提出的這個兩千一百億還多 |
| 00:58:13,280 | 00:58:15,280 | 我們提出這個條例 |
| 00:58:15,280 | 00:58:21,280 | 也是全面支持我們國防產業自主發展 |
| 00:58:21,280 | 00:58:25,280 | 這樣的一個國民黨已經正式提出來 |
| 00:58:25,280 | 00:58:27,280 | 也謝謝各黨啊 |
| 00:58:27,280 | 00:58:29,280 | 在前天禮拜一 |
| 00:58:29,860 | 00:58:33,860 | 這個經濟國防跟財政三個委員會聯席啊 |
| 00:58:33,860 | 00:58:35,860 | 也除了委員會啊 |
| 00:58:35,860 | 00:58:39,860 | 已經可以正式進入朝野協商啊朝野協商啊 |
| 00:58:39,860 | 00:58:42,860 | 盡快啊讓我們兩千四百億 |
| 00:58:42,860 | 00:58:46,860 | 支持國內自主生產國防啊 |
| 00:58:46,860 | 00:58:49,860 | 這個產業的部分能夠蓬勃的發展 |
| 00:58:50,450 | 00:58:51,450 | 對呀 |
| 00:58:52,090 | 00:58:56,090 | 這個到底是不是有關計畫未經核定 |
| 00:58:56,090 | 00:59:00,090 | 及先行編列預算違反預算法相關的問題 |
| 00:59:00,090 | 00:59:02,090 | 我想經濟部啊 |
| 00:59:02,160 | 00:59:04,160 | 要狸貓換太子啊 |
| 00:59:04,200 | 00:59:07,200 | 送了這一份啊所謂說明書來 |
| 00:59:08,030 | 00:59:09,030 | 我接著 |
| 00:59:09,470 | 00:59:11,470 | 部長 |
| 00:59:10,780 | 00:59:12,780 | 以前當行政院秘書長的時候 |
| 00:59:12,780 | 00:59:13,780 | 你是蠻奉公守法 |
| 00:59:13,780 | 00:59:15,780 | 現在到當了經濟部以後啊 |
| 00:59:16,130 | 00:59:18,130 | 各種花樣都出來了 |
| 00:59:18,660 | 00:59:20,660 | 各種花樣都出來了 |
| 00:59:20,660 | 00:59:22,660 | 以前就是這樣喔對不起我以前看錯你了 |
| 00:59:22,660 | 00:59:26,660 | 你以前是貌似奉公守法 |
| 00:59:26,660 | 00:59:28,660 | 現在換了一個位置喔 |
| 00:59:28,660 | 00:59:30,660 | 就開始五花八門都出來了 |
| 00:59:32,300 | 00:59:34,300 | 本來就是你原本的計畫 |
| 00:59:36,280 | 00:59:38,280 | 就是113-106年 |
| 00:59:39,200 | 00:59:41,200 | 你怎麼會跟著442億 |
| 00:59:41,200 | 00:59:43,200 | 叫做延續型的計畫呢 |
| 00:59:47,910 | 00:59:49,910 | 每一年都有趨勢採購 |
| 00:59:50,270 | 00:59:52,270 | 你不能說上次採購完 |
| 00:59:52,270 | 00:59:54,270 | 現在要採購 |
| 00:59:54,000 | 00:59:56,000 | 那也說是延續型的計畫 |
| 00:59:56,000 | 00:59:58,000 | 本來就是新興計畫嘛 |
| 00:59:58,000 | 01:00:00,000 | 這本來就是新興計畫嘛 |
| 01:00:00,000 | 01:00:04,000 | 新興計畫你本來就應該行政院核定完以後 |
| 01:00:04,000 | 01:00:06,000 | 你才能送預算來嘛 |
| 01:00:07,550 | 01:00:09,550 | 那今天這個真值點 |
| 01:00:10,030 | 01:00:15,030 | 因為他們不斷鋪天蓋地用綠媒在扭曲這個事情 |
| 01:00:15,030 | 01:00:17,030 | 我們本來就是支持無人載具的 |
| 01:00:18,540 | 01:00:19,040 | 對不對 |
| 01:00:19,410 | 01:00:21,410 | 綠媒天天在抹在攻擊 |
| 01:00:21,980 | 01:00:23,980 | 在攻擊這一個黨 |
| 01:00:24,310 | 01:00:24,810 | 好 |
| 01:00:25,100 | 01:00:27,100 | 把假的都說成真的一樣 |
| 01:00:27,100 | 01:00:29,100 | 真的說成假的一樣 |
| 01:00:29,100 | 01:00:31,100 | 我們本來就支持無人載具 |
| 01:00:31,100 | 01:00:33,100 | 在國內的發展 |
| 01:00:33,100 | 01:00:35,100 | 所以為什麼2400億 |
| 01:00:36,000 | 01:00:38,000 | 主持單位放在經濟部 |
| 01:00:38,000 | 01:00:40,000 | 在經濟委員會 |
| 01:00:40,000 | 01:00:42,000 | 部長 |
| 01:00:40,910 | 01:00:42,910 | 主責單位2400億放在經濟委員會 |
| 01:00:42,910 | 01:00:44,910 | 當然支持我們國內 |
| 01:00:45,280 | 01:00:47,280 | 國防自主的 |
| 01:00:47,280 | 01:00:49,280 | 我們本土產業 |
| 01:00:49,280 | 01:00:51,280 | 能夠真正的振興能夠發展 |
| 01:00:51,280 | 01:00:53,280 | 不然為什麼要放在經濟委員會 |
| 01:00:54,330 | 01:00:56,330 | 所以他的442億 |
| 01:00:57,250 | 01:00:59,250 | 442億院長 |
| 01:00:59,250 | 01:01:01,250 | 我們不是說 |
| 01:01:01,250 | 01:01:03,250 | 因為一開始 |
| 01:01:03,250 | 01:01:05,250 | 他是違反預算法 |
| 01:01:05,250 | 01:01:07,250 | 我們在這裡要講清楚 |
| 01:01:08,690 | 01:01:09,190 | 好 |
| 01:01:09,190 | 01:01:11,190 | 那至於 |
| 01:01:11,440 | 01:01:13,440 | 他只要有足夠的理由來說服我們 |
| 01:01:14,750 | 01:01:16,750 | 即便 |
| 01:01:16,050 | 01:01:18,050 | 好 即便 |
| 01:01:18,070 | 01:01:18,570 | 好 |
| 01:01:19,030 | 01:01:21,030 | 在核定後 |
| 01:01:20,860 | 01:01:22,860 | 核定前就理送一份書 |
| 01:01:23,150 | 01:01:25,150 | 他只要今天要講的清楚 |
| 01:01:25,150 | 01:01:27,150 | 講的清楚 |
| 01:01:27,150 | 01:01:29,150 | 今天不是來這裡吵架的 |
| 01:01:29,210 | 01:01:31,210 | 不來潑婦罵街的 |
| 01:01:31,210 | 01:01:33,210 | 但是我們在這裡要特別強調 |
| 01:01:33,210 | 01:01:35,210 | 我們支持無人載具 |
| 01:01:35,210 | 01:01:37,210 | 更希望國內產業能夠發展 |
| 01:01:37,240 | 01:01:39,240 | 所以今天部長要跟大家講清楚 |
| 01:01:39,240 | 01:01:41,240 | 不要再扯說 |
| 01:01:41,240 | 01:01:43,240 | 什麼113到116 |
| 01:01:43,240 | 01:01:45,240 | 那本來就另外一個計畫嘛 |
| 01:01:45,240 | 01:01:47,240 | 就不是這個計畫 |
| 01:01:47,240 | 01:01:49,240 | 他不要硬把這個東西兜起來 |
| 01:01:49,240 | 01:01:51,240 | 然後說在野黨的不對 |
| 01:01:51,240 | 01:01:53,240 | 綠美抹黑也抹夠了 |
| 01:01:53,240 | 01:01:55,240 | 我們希望說這個事情 |
| 01:01:55,240 | 01:01:57,240 | 廣部長在這裡跟大家講清楚 |
| 01:01:57,360 | 01:01:59,360 | 你不用扯什麼1000 |
| 01:01:59,690 | 01:02:01,690 | 什麼113到116 |
| 01:02:01,690 | 01:02:03,690 | 你要直接講這410% |
| 01:02:03,690 | 01:02:05,690 | 需要的正當性什麼 |
| 01:02:05,690 | 01:02:07,690 | 要講清楚 |
| 01:02:06,690 | 01:02:08,690 | 跟在野黨 |
| 01:02:08,690 | 01:02:10,690 | 跟國民黨跟民眾黨講清楚 |
| 01:02:10,690 | 01:02:12,690 | 在這裡 |
| 01:02:11,060 | 01:02:13,060 | 可以讓你來講 |
| 01:02:13,060 | 01:02:15,060 | 沒有問題 |
| 01:02:36,840 | 01:02:38,840 | 院長還有各位協商代表 |
| 01:02:38,840 | 01:02:40,840 | 我是一定針對主題了 |
| 01:02:41,470 | 01:02:43,470 | 剛剛副總長這個講法 |
| 01:02:43,470 | 01:02:45,470 | 就剛好把是非 |
| 01:02:45,470 | 01:02:47,470 | 事實做顛倒 |
| 01:02:47,470 | 01:02:49,470 | 這樣也不好啦 |
| 01:02:49,470 | 01:02:51,470 | 去年 |
| 01:02:51,470 | 01:02:53,470 | 去年的11月 |
| 01:02:53,470 | 01:02:55,470 | 行政院把801.25兆 |
| 01:02:55,470 | 01:02:57,470 | 整個軍購的特別條例 |
| 01:02:57,470 | 01:02:59,470 | 送到立法院 |
| 01:02:59,860 | 01:03:01,860 | 國民黨其實很清楚 |
| 01:03:01,860 | 01:03:03,860 | 你們就是3500億 |
| 01:03:03,860 | 01:03:05,860 | 然後接下來 |
| 01:03:05,860 | 01:03:07,860 | 當天下午你們弄一個 |
| 01:03:07,860 | 01:03:09,860 | 3800億 |
| 01:03:09,860 | 01:03:11,860 | 我給你們批評你們一支3次 |
| 01:03:11,860 | 01:03:13,860 | 你們再來再講M |
| 01:03:13,860 | 01:03:15,860 | 所以到了 |
| 01:03:15,860 | 01:03:17,860 | 今年的5月份 |
| 01:03:17,860 | 01:03:19,860 | 我們通過的 |
| 01:03:19,860 | 01:03:21,860 | 本來是801.25兆的 |
| 01:03:21,860 | 01:03:23,860 | 通道就變成7800 |
| 01:03:23,860 | 01:03:25,860 | 雖然通過了 |
| 01:03:25,860 | 01:03:27,860 | 國民黨一直在講說 |
| 01:03:27,860 | 01:03:29,860 | 國王自主 |
| 01:03:29,860 | 01:03:31,860 | 無人機的部門 |
| 01:03:31,860 | 01:03:33,860 | 國民黨跟你們有仇 |
| 01:03:33,860 | 01:03:35,860 | 一樣啊 |
| 01:03:35,860 | 01:03:37,860 | 去年1.25兆的跟你們講 |
| 01:03:37,860 | 01:03:39,860 | 整個無人載具裡面的兵海兼 |
| 01:03:39,860 | 01:03:41,860 | 那個兼徵型的無人機 |
| 01:03:41,860 | 01:03:43,860 | 還有兵海攻擊的一個無人機 |
| 01:03:43,860 | 01:03:45,860 | 小型攻擊無人機 |
| 01:03:45,860 | 01:03:47,860 | 3351你們就一刀全部把它幹掉 |
| 01:03:47,860 | 01:03:49,860 | 你們說要有那個發價書 |
| 01:03:49,860 | 01:03:51,860 | 我說無人機他有什麼發價書 |
| 01:03:51,860 | 01:03:53,860 | 去年大家都吵過了 |
| 01:03:53,860 | 01:03:55,860 | 怎麼現在會倒過來說什麼 |
| 01:03:55,860 | 01:03:57,860 | 國民黨都贊成 |
| 01:03:57,860 | 01:03:59,860 | 國民黨從頭到尾全部都是反對 |
| 01:03:59,860 | 01:04:01,860 | 所以我們必須要講清楚就是說 |
| 01:04:01,860 | 01:04:03,860 | 院長還有各位協商代表 |
| 01:04:03,860 | 01:04:05,860 | 就是我們在去年我們把 |
| 01:04:05,860 | 01:04:07,860 | 急迫這些要買的 |
| 01:04:07,860 | 01:04:09,860 | 因為啊 |
| 01:04:09,860 | 01:04:11,860 | 這台黨不同意你們已經把它給刪除掉了 |
| 01:04:18,090 | 01:04:20,090 | 好 |
| 01:04:20,090 | 01:04:22,090 | 院長只要他們在做人身攻擊 |
| 01:04:22,090 | 01:04:24,090 | 我們一定要回應 |
| 01:04:24,090 | 01:04:26,090 | 超野協商 |
| 01:04:26,090 | 01:04:28,090 | 全部都是事實啦 |
| 01:04:28,090 | 01:04:30,090 | 只要他人身攻擊我一定要回應 |
| 01:04:30,090 | 01:04:32,090 | 因為我的回 |
| 01:04:32,090 | 01:04:34,090 | 我對他們我從來沒有 |
| 01:04:34,090 | 01:04:36,090 | 點名過 |
| 01:04:36,090 | 01:04:38,090 | 院長你剛剛不是說講話不要插嘴嗎 |
| 01:04:38,090 | 01:04:40,090 | 那現在有人插嘴了越少越不公正 |
| 01:04:40,090 | 01:04:42,090 | 然後又想要過水協商 |
| 01:04:42,090 | 01:04:44,090 | 又不給大家好好時間討論 |
| 01:04:44,090 | 01:04:46,090 | 你今天就是保民來掛水的嘛 |
| 01:04:46,090 | 01:04:48,090 | 你為什麼不要插嘴 |
| 01:04:48,090 | 01:04:50,090 | 我歡迎副總召你來回應我 |
| 01:04:50,090 | 01:04:52,090 | 就是說我莊瑞雄對你 |
| 01:04:52,090 | 01:04:53,090 | 跟你互不公 |
| 01:04:53,090 | 01:04:55,090 | 我就為了去年 |
| 01:04:55,090 | 01:04:57,090 | 總計算盒8年1.25兆公開進 |
| 01:04:57,090 | 01:04:59,090 | 公開我們今年5月通過了7000倍 |
| 01:04:59,090 | 01:05:01,090 | 我說你國民黨編代本地3500 |
| 01:05:01,090 | 01:05:03,090 | 那天的會保衛變3000倍 |
| 01:05:03,090 | 01:05:05,090 | 啊5月通過了7000倍 |
| 01:05:05,090 | 01:05:07,090 | 到最後你們無人載具的問題 |
| 01:05:07,090 | 01:05:09,090 | 你們全部都是砍嘛 |
| 01:05:09,090 | 01:05:11,090 | 那我的重點來了 |
| 01:05:11,090 | 01:05:13,090 | 我的重點來了 |
| 01:05:13,090 | 01:05:15,090 | 我說不要嘴巴裡面講說我們支持 |
| 01:05:15,090 | 01:05:17,090 | 好啦你現在說我後悔了 |
| 01:05:17,090 | 01:05:19,090 | 我想支持也很好嘛 |
| 01:05:19,090 | 01:05:21,090 | 我是告訴你說你急需要買的時候 |
| 01:05:21,090 | 01:05:23,090 | 我們確實把人家給砍掉了 |
| 01:05:23,090 | 01:05:25,090 | 那今年6月份送進來的 |
| 01:05:25,090 | 01:05:27,090 | 無人載具的部分 |
| 01:05:27,090 | 01:05:29,090 | 好啦你們說病案 |
| 01:05:29,090 | 01:05:31,090 | 行政院說要公務部做主責機關 |
| 01:05:31,090 | 01:05:33,090 | 你們現在說經濟部因為立法程序 |
| 01:05:33,090 | 01:05:35,090 | 卡住了 |
| 01:05:35,090 | 01:05:37,090 | 那現在來了就是說 |
| 01:05:37,090 | 01:05:39,090 | 我急需要的時候 |
| 01:05:39,090 | 01:05:41,090 | 無人載具的部門你們先給我沒收這屬性 |
| 01:05:41,090 | 01:05:43,090 | 那現在呢 |
| 01:05:43,090 | 01:05:45,090 | 那現在就變成行政院提出來的 |
| 01:05:45,090 | 01:05:47,090 | 6年這442億的無人載具 |
| 01:05:47,090 | 01:05:49,090 | 發展統則式的計畫 |
| 01:05:49,090 | 01:05:51,090 | 你們要連度預算 |
| 01:05:51,090 | 01:05:53,090 | 你連度預算來得及各部會各領域 |
| 01:05:53,090 | 01:05:55,090 | 這個推展的發展 |
| 01:05:55,090 | 01:05:57,090 | 你們現在說要提案 |
| 01:05:57,090 | 01:05:59,090 | 將這個計畫轉播相關預算 |
| 01:05:59,090 | 01:06:01,090 | 那本來總結 |
| 01:06:01,090 | 01:06:03,090 | 你們現在轉播都刪除 |
| 01:06:03,090 | 01:06:05,090 | 所以我是認為 |
| 01:06:05,090 | 01:06:07,090 | 各黨團針對這個部分 |
| 01:06:07,090 | 01:06:09,090 | 無人機產業的部分 |
| 01:06:09,090 | 01:06:11,090 | 看得到說大家一起集齊 |
| 01:06:11,090 | 01:06:13,090 | 大家一起集齊 |
| 01:06:13,090 | 01:06:15,090 | 不用說那麼多 |
| 01:06:15,090 | 01:06:17,090 | 在全國各縣市裡面 |
| 01:06:17,810 | 01:06:19,810 | 不管是中部 |
| 01:06:19,490 | 01:06:21,490 | 不管是 |
| 01:06:21,490 | 01:06:23,490 | 有台中 |
| 01:06:22,330 | 01:06:24,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:24,330 | 01:06:26,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:26,330 | 01:06:28,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:28,330 | 01:06:30,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:30,330 | 01:06:32,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:32,330 | 01:06:34,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:34,330 | 01:06:36,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:36,330 | 01:06:38,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:38,330 | 01:06:40,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:40,330 | 01:06:42,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:42,330 | 01:06:44,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:44,330 | 01:06:46,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:46,330 | 01:06:48,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:48,330 | 01:06:50,330 | 台中 |
| 01:06:31,540 | 01:06:33,540 | 無人機的產業 |
| 01:06:33,540 | 01:06:35,540 | 大家共同來支持 |
| 01:06:35,540 | 01:06:37,540 | 我說這些沒半句給你們抹黑 |
| 01:06:37,540 | 01:06:39,540 | 都是事實的重現 |
| 01:06:39,540 | 01:06:41,540 | 謝謝 歡迎委員麻煩控制一下時間 |
| 01:06:41,540 | 01:06:43,540 | 我盡量簡短 |
| 01:06:43,540 | 01:06:45,540 | 我想因為在野黨有質疑說 |
| 01:06:45,540 | 01:06:47,540 | 這個預算的編列 |
| 01:06:47,540 | 01:06:49,540 | 那事實上大家可以看一下 |
| 01:06:49,540 | 01:06:51,540 | 他在112年的時候就有亞洲無人機 |
| 01:06:51,540 | 01:06:53,540 | 新創計畫就核定 |
| 01:06:53,540 | 01:06:55,540 | 那後來是在去年又核定了 |
| 01:06:55,540 | 01:06:57,540 | 這個統籌的計畫 |
| 01:06:57,540 | 01:06:59,540 | 那因為在野黨又說要等你們 |
| 01:06:59,540 | 01:07:01,540 | 通過之後才能處理 |
| 01:07:01,540 | 01:07:03,540 | 那我要講的事情是 |
| 01:07:03,540 | 01:07:05,540 | 就算我們當然是支持國防部 |
| 01:07:05,540 | 01:07:07,540 | 主導的 |
| 01:07:07,540 | 01:07:09,540 | 那可是現在這個統籌計畫 |
| 01:07:09,540 | 01:07:11,540 | 其實是本來就在進行的事情 |
| 01:07:11,540 | 01:07:13,540 | 而且有一部分我看到的是人才培育 |
| 01:07:13,540 | 01:07:15,540 | 那其實現在 |
| 01:07:15,540 | 01:07:17,540 | 各個國家都在教育當中 |
| 01:07:17,540 | 01:07:19,540 | 做無人機的教育 |
| 01:07:19,540 | 01:07:21,540 | 那英國有一個 |
| 01:07:21,540 | 01:07:23,540 | 計畫就是要進入中小學 |
| 01:07:23,540 | 01:07:25,540 | 引導學生學習程式 |
| 01:07:25,540 | 01:07:27,540 | 邏輯飛行控制 |
| 01:07:27,540 | 01:07:29,540 | 英國都有無人機的運動計畫 |
| 01:07:29,540 | 01:07:31,540 | 把它作為競賽 |
| 01:07:31,540 | 01:07:33,540 | 那美國的航空總署 |
| 01:07:33,540 | 01:07:35,540 | 還推動了大專院校的 |
| 01:07:35,540 | 01:07:37,540 | 培訓的倡議計畫 |
| 01:07:37,540 | 01:07:39,540 | 所以人才的培訓是整個無人機 |
| 01:07:39,540 | 01:07:41,540 | 生態系的一個重要的一環 |
| 01:07:41,540 | 01:07:43,540 | 那你們統籌的這個東西 |
| 01:07:43,540 | 01:07:45,540 | 如果刪減的話 |
| 01:07:45,540 | 01:07:47,540 | 教育部就有7個計畫 |
| 01:07:47,540 | 01:07:49,540 | 就被你刪減掉了 |
| 01:07:49,540 | 01:07:51,540 | 其中還有2個接近3億的經費 |
| 01:07:51,540 | 01:07:53,540 | 需要給地方政府 |
| 01:07:53,540 | 01:07:55,540 | 補助高中無人機相關經費 |
| 01:07:55,540 | 01:07:57,540 | 跟補助國中國小無人機相關經費 |
| 01:07:57,540 | 01:07:59,540 | 那這些教育怎麼辦呢 |
| 01:07:59,540 | 01:08:01,540 | 那其實這7個計畫裡面 |
| 01:08:01,540 | 01:08:03,540 | 被你們刪減掉的話 |
| 01:08:03,540 | 01:08:05,540 | 對國家的下一代的教育影響很大 |
| 01:08:05,540 | 01:08:07,540 | 那今天絕對不是只是產業 |
| 01:08:07,540 | 01:08:09,540 | 也不是只是國防部的一個採購 |
| 01:08:09,540 | 01:08:11,540 | 我們要講的事情是 |
| 01:08:11,540 | 01:08:13,540 | 那我們這個預算送進來 |
| 01:08:13,540 | 01:08:15,540 | 已經335天了 |
| 01:08:15,540 | 01:08:17,540 | 那這些計畫其實 |
| 01:08:17,540 | 01:08:19,540 | 早就去年就核定了 |
| 01:08:19,540 | 01:08:21,540 | 所以請大家支持一下 |
| 01:08:21,540 | 01:08:23,540 | 就是向國際公共貿易協議 |
| 01:08:23,540 | 01:08:25,540 | 大家支持一下 |
| 01:08:25,540 | 01:08:27,540 | 就是向教育部這些計畫 |
| 01:08:27,540 | 01:08:29,540 | 不應該在這時候減練 |
| 01:08:29,540 | 01:08:31,540 | 而且它本來就應該 |
| 01:08:31,540 | 01:08:33,540 | 早就應該進行的人才培育 |
| 01:08:33,540 | 01:08:35,540 | 好謝謝范委員的發言跟控制時間 |
| 01:08:35,540 | 01:08:37,540 | 非常感謝 |
| 01:08:37,540 | 01:08:39,540 | 那各位黨團幹部各位練習的委員 |
| 01:08:39,540 | 01:08:41,540 | 我想再發言下去以後 |
| 01:08:41,540 | 01:08:43,540 | 還是要處理這地區 |
| 01:08:43,540 | 01:08:45,540 | 好請張秘政請 |
| 01:08:43,350 | 01:08:45,350 | 謝謝院長可能急點表達 |
| 01:08:45,350 | 01:08:47,350 | 第一個 |
| 01:08:47,689 | 01:08:49,689 | 剛剛副總召有講說 |
| 01:08:49,689 | 01:08:51,689 | 國民黨的版本2400億比2100億還要多 |
| 01:08:51,689 | 01:08:53,689 | 但2100億加上442億 |
| 01:08:53,689 | 01:08:55,689 | 就超過2100 |
| 01:08:55,689 | 01:08:57,689 | 就超過2400億了 |
| 01:08:57,689 | 01:08:59,689 | 所以這個是不是各位黨團想要刪除 |
| 01:08:59,689 | 01:09:01,689 | 行政院經濟部這一筆預算的原因 |
| 01:09:01,689 | 01:09:03,689 | 那第二個 |
| 01:09:03,689 | 01:09:05,689 | 從國民黨團這個提案 |
| 01:09:05,689 | 01:09:07,689 | 要求行政院暫停實施統籌型新化 |
| 01:09:07,689 | 01:09:11,689 | 這個115年度相關部會編列之統籌型計畫 |
| 01:09:11,689 | 01:09:13,689 | 預算全數減劣 |
| 01:09:13,689 | 01:09:15,689 | 這不就證明了為什麼行政院要提出 |
| 01:09:15,689 | 01:09:17,689 | 特別條例的原因 |
| 01:09:17,689 | 01:09:19,689 | 因為如果不提出特別條例 |
| 01:09:19,689 | 01:09:21,689 | 按照各位黨團或在野黨團的意見 |
| 01:09:21,689 | 01:09:23,689 | 編在年度預算裡面 |
| 01:09:23,689 | 01:09:25,689 | 就是一個主決議一個提案 |
| 01:09:25,689 | 01:09:27,689 | 想刪就可以全部刪除 |
| 01:09:27,689 | 01:09:29,689 | 我不知道這樣子是不是符合 |
| 01:09:29,689 | 01:09:31,689 | 各位黨所稱的你們也支持無人機計畫 |
| 01:09:31,689 | 01:09:33,689 | 這個想法 |
| 01:09:33,689 | 01:09:35,689 | 我想如果支持無人機計畫 |
| 01:09:35,689 | 01:09:37,689 | 就不要刪除無人機的預算 |
| 01:09:37,689 | 01:09:39,689 | 如果支持國軍就支持行政院版 |
| 01:09:39,689 | 01:09:41,689 | 的特別條例 |
| 01:09:41,689 | 01:09:43,689 | 以上說明 |
| 01:09:43,689 | 01:09:45,689 | 那 |
| 01:09:45,279 | 01:09:47,279 | 國民黨很堅持 |
| 01:09:47,279 | 01:09:49,279 | 只要因為從這一屆一開始 |
| 01:09:49,279 | 01:09:51,279 | 朝野協商讓全國人看到這麼難看 |
| 01:09:51,279 | 01:09:53,279 | 就他們最喜歡點名 |
| 01:09:57,640 | 01:09:59,640 | 然後人身攻擊 |
| 01:09:59,640 | 01:10:01,640 | 我們在這裡再次強調 |
| 01:10:01,640 | 01:10:03,640 | 我們都沒有對他們人身攻擊 |
| 01:10:03,090 | 01:10:05,090 | 如果再這樣 |
| 01:10:04,440 | 01:10:06,440 | 國民黨退出協商 |
| 01:10:06,870 | 01:10:08,870 | 很堅持 |
| 01:10:08,350 | 01:10:10,350 | 再說人身攻擊我們就退出 |
| 01:10:10,660 | 01:10:12,660 | 好 |
| 01:10:11,860 | 01:10:13,860 | 第一個 |
| 01:10:13,860 | 01:10:15,860 | 我要講清楚 |
| 01:10:17,060 | 01:10:19,060 | 剛剛他們又在 |
| 01:10:19,060 | 01:10:21,060 | 地溝道菜頭 |
| 01:10:20,280 | 01:10:22,280 | 你看又在這種 |
| 01:10:22,930 | 01:10:24,930 | 情緒勒索 |
| 01:10:24,550 | 01:10:26,550 | 什麼教育藥 |
| 01:10:26,680 | 01:10:28,680 | 什麼無人機怎麼樣 |
| 01:10:28,370 | 01:10:30,370 | 教育的預算 |
| 01:10:30,090 | 01:10:32,090 | 其他的預算 |
| 01:10:31,690 | 01:10:33,690 | 現在各部會裡面不是在 |
| 01:10:33,690 | 01:10:35,690 | 442億又在這裡 |
| 01:10:35,690 | 01:10:37,690 | 情緒勒索 |
| 01:10:37,210 | 01:10:39,210 | 又在地溝道菜頭 |
| 01:10:39,690 | 01:10:41,690 | 教育部的 |
| 01:10:41,690 | 01:10:43,690 | 教育部的 |
| 01:10:43,690 | 01:10:45,690 | 9億2千5百四十 |
| 01:10:45,690 | 01:10:47,690 | 9億2千6百四十萬 |
| 01:10:47,690 | 01:10:49,690 | 這個明明就不是在 |
| 01:10:49,690 | 01:10:51,690 | 這442億 |
| 01:10:51,690 | 01:10:53,690 | 故意扯到這裡來 |
| 01:10:53,340 | 01:10:55,340 | 說謊如果已經成為 |
| 01:10:56,360 | 01:10:58,360 | 生活的日常 |
| 01:10:58,360 | 01:11:00,360 | 人命都看不到真相 |
| 01:11:00,360 | 01:11:02,360 | 我們要再次講這442億 |
| 01:11:02,360 | 01:11:04,360 | 就是一個新的計畫 |
| 01:11:04,360 | 01:11:06,360 | 他確實在 |
| 01:11:06,360 | 01:11:08,360 | 宗喻預算之前行政院還沒有核定 |
| 01:11:08,360 | 01:11:10,360 | 我們並不是反對 |
| 01:11:10,360 | 01:11:12,360 | 只是程序上是不合理的 |
| 01:11:12,360 | 01:11:14,360 | 但是我們要再次強調 |
| 01:11:14,360 | 01:11:16,360 | 我要回應 |
| 01:11:16,360 | 01:11:18,360 | 剛剛講的什麼叫 |
| 01:11:18,360 | 01:11:20,360 | 一兆兩千億什麼叫七千八百億 |
| 01:11:20,360 | 01:11:22,360 | 七千八百億是軍購 |
| 01:11:22,360 | 01:11:24,360 | 有後續嚴守保障 |
| 01:11:24,360 | 01:11:26,360 | 可以保護我們的軍人 |
| 01:11:27,090 | 01:11:29,090 | 用的東西零件不足 |
| 01:11:29,090 | 01:11:31,090 | 後續維修 |
| 01:11:31,090 | 01:11:33,090 | 美國國會美國國家是保證的 |
| 01:11:33,690 | 01:11:35,690 | 現在 |
| 01:11:35,020 | 01:11:37,020 | 他們買的那些東西 |
| 01:11:37,020 | 01:11:39,020 | 國外採購價格是 |
| 01:11:39,020 | 01:11:41,020 | 是一個大的一個謎團 |
| 01:11:42,330 | 01:11:44,330 | 第二個是商業採購 |
| 01:11:45,130 | 01:11:47,130 | 那不是軍購不是國家保證 |
| 01:11:47,130 | 01:11:49,130 | 來個商售 |
| 01:11:49,800 | 01:11:51,800 | 中間有多少回扣 |
| 01:11:51,690 | 01:11:53,690 | 有多少貪污有多少腐敗 |
| 01:11:55,040 | 01:11:57,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:11:57,040 | 01:11:59,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:11:59,040 | 01:12:01,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:01,040 | 01:12:03,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:03,040 | 01:12:05,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:05,040 | 01:12:07,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:07,040 | 01:12:09,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:09,040 | 01:12:11,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:11,040 | 01:12:13,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:13,040 | 01:12:15,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:15,040 | 01:12:17,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:17,040 | 01:12:19,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:19,040 | 01:12:21,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:21,040 | 01:12:23,040 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:16,770 | 01:12:18,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:18,770 | 01:12:20,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:20,770 | 01:12:22,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:22,770 | 01:12:24,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:24,770 | 01:12:26,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:26,770 | 01:12:28,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:28,770 | 01:12:30,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:30,770 | 01:12:32,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:32,770 | 01:12:34,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:34,770 | 01:12:36,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:36,770 | 01:12:38,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:38,770 | 01:12:40,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:40,770 | 01:12:42,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:42,770 | 01:12:44,770 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:22,810 | 01:12:24,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:24,810 | 01:12:26,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:26,810 | 01:12:28,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:28,810 | 01:12:30,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:30,810 | 01:12:32,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:32,810 | 01:12:34,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:34,810 | 01:12:36,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:36,810 | 01:12:38,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:38,810 | 01:12:40,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:40,810 | 01:12:42,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:42,810 | 01:12:44,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:44,810 | 01:12:46,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:46,810 | 01:12:48,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:48,810 | 01:12:50,810 | 為什麼 |
| 01:12:30,810 | 01:12:32,810 | 再點名我一定回應 |
| 01:22:08,640 | 01:22:10,640 | 好謝謝我們繼續開會 |
| 01:22:10,640 | 01:22:12,640 | 特別跟黨團幹部還有練習的新的官員報告 |
| 01:22:12,640 | 01:22:14,640 | 我們保留的是我們第二輪還要 |
| 01:22:14,640 | 01:22:16,640 | 再來今天是第一輪我們第一 |
| 01:22:16,640 | 01:22:18,640 | 次來朝野協商 |
| 01:22:18,640 | 01:22:20,640 | 那大家有意見沒辦法達成一致 |
| 01:22:20,640 | 01:22:22,640 | 可能就先保留了 |
| 01:22:22,640 | 01:22:24,640 | 回過來第二輪的時候我們會繼續討論 |
| 01:22:24,640 | 01:22:26,640 | 並不代表保留就送院會了 |
| 01:22:26,640 | 01:22:28,640 | 敬請大家能夠了解 |
| 01:22:28,640 | 01:22:30,640 | 我們這樣做這樣的一個處置 |
| 01:22:30,640 | 01:22:32,640 | 好我們進入第五案 |
| 01:22:32,640 | 01:22:34,640 | 台灣民眾黨團所提的 |
| 01:22:34,640 | 01:22:36,640 | 通三第五案 |
| 01:22:36,640 | 01:22:38,640 | 台灣民眾黨團請發言 |
| 01:22:39,930 | 01:22:41,930 | 好 |
| 01:22:41,330 | 01:22:43,330 | 謝謝院長 |
| 01:22:43,290 | 01:22:45,290 | 那面對我們 |
| 01:22:45,290 | 01:22:47,290 | 一百一十五年多的總預算 |
| 01:22:47,470 | 01:22:49,470 | 高達三兆 |
| 01:22:49,470 | 01:22:51,470 | 三百五十億元的 |
| 01:22:51,470 | 01:22:53,470 | 中央政府總預算 |
| 01:22:53,620 | 01:22:55,620 | 那民進黨政府啊 |
| 01:22:55,810 | 01:22:57,810 | 在多項的計畫當中 |
| 01:23:00,230 | 01:23:02,230 | 到月圖預算湖邊 |
| 01:23:03,030 | 01:23:05,030 | 國民兌現 |
| 01:23:05,030 | 01:23:07,030 | 讓共產黨的具體 |
| 01:23:07,030 | 01:23:09,030 | 實證 |
| 01:23:08,040 | 01:23:10,040 | 所以台灣民眾黨團強力 |
| 01:23:10,040 | 01:23:12,040 | 主張 |
| 01:23:12,040 | 01:23:14,040 | 我們必須要 |
| 01:23:14,040 | 01:23:16,040 | 記住最嚴格的一個 |
| 01:23:16,040 | 01:23:18,040 | 通案三檢 |
| 01:23:18,040 | 01:23:20,040 | 那針對我們各級官的 |
| 01:23:20,040 | 01:23:22,040 | 丟費 |
| 01:23:22,240 | 01:23:24,240 | 媒體宣傳費 |
| 01:23:24,240 | 01:23:26,240 | 國外旅費 |
| 01:23:26,240 | 01:23:28,240 | 及首長特別費 |
| 01:23:28,580 | 01:23:30,580 | 進行大比例的一個 |
| 01:23:30,580 | 01:23:32,580 | 三檢 |
| 01:23:32,240 | 01:23:34,240 | 那為了平安啊 |
| 01:23:33,800 | 01:23:35,800 | 我們還有新增案啊 |
| 01:23:35,800 | 01:23:37,800 | 重演 |
| 01:23:36,660 | 01:23:38,660 | 一百一十四年度啊 |
| 01:23:39,280 | 01:23:41,280 | 中央政府總預算的一個戶車 |
| 01:23:42,720 | 01:23:44,720 | 在當時一百一十四年的通膳當中啊 |
| 01:23:46,760 | 01:23:48,760 | 新增案 |
| 01:23:48,480 | 01:23:52,480 | 就給地南政府的一般性 |
| 01:23:53,560 | 01:23:55,560 | 一個不出款 |
| 01:23:55,560 | 01:23:57,560 | 跟境外刑的不出款 |
| 01:23:57,940 | 01:23:59,940 | 來作為啊 |
| 01:23:59,940 | 01:24:01,940 | 通膳預算科目的一個調整 |
| 01:24:03,830 | 01:24:05,830 | 交成啊 |
| 01:24:05,830 | 01:24:07,830 | 當時整個預算 |
| 01:24:07,830 | 01:24:09,830 | 跟地方補助的一個 |
| 01:24:09,830 | 01:24:11,830 | 混亂的一個狀況 |
| 01:24:13,170 | 01:24:15,170 | 三檢 |
| 01:24:14,770 | 01:24:16,770 | 本次的我們通膳的提案裡面 |
| 01:24:18,950 | 01:24:20,950 | 我們已經明確的宰民了 |
| 01:24:23,020 | 01:24:25,020 | 總三檢數未達 |
| 01:24:25,020 | 01:24:27,020 | 五百九十二億 |
| 01:24:27,020 | 01:24:29,020 | 六千四百萬元 |
| 01:24:29,020 | 01:24:31,020 | 也就是通膳 |
| 01:24:31,020 | 01:24:33,020 | 統一算的百分之二 |
| 01:24:34,870 | 01:24:36,870 | 那這是我們所體驗的 |
| 01:24:38,090 | 01:24:40,090 | 第一項到第十項的項目來不出 |
| 01:24:42,160 | 01:24:44,160 | 絕對不可以通 |
| 01:24:44,650 | 01:24:46,650 | 地方政府的一般性不出款 |
| 01:24:46,650 | 01:24:48,650 | 降補助費 |
| 01:24:49,180 | 01:24:51,180 | 這只是市政府的補助啊 |
| 01:24:51,180 | 01:24:53,180 | 其他對縣市政府的補助啊 |
| 01:24:54,930 | 01:24:56,930 | 還有 |
| 01:24:56,930 | 01:24:58,930 | 依本院已經啊 |
| 01:24:58,930 | 01:25:00,930 | 依這個預算法 |
| 01:25:00,930 | 01:25:02,930 | 第54條規定 |
| 01:25:02,930 | 01:25:04,930 | 已經統一 |
| 01:25:03,940 | 01:25:05,940 | 縣議請動議 |
| 01:25:05,940 | 01:25:07,940 | 預算的部分來作為 |
| 01:25:07,940 | 01:25:09,940 | 通膳室的一個補助 |
| 01:25:11,230 | 01:25:13,230 | 那這個就是要避免 |
| 01:25:13,230 | 01:25:15,230 | 114年的一個 |
| 01:25:15,230 | 01:25:17,230 | 狀況 |
| 01:25:17,230 | 01:25:19,230 | 再去達成 |
| 01:25:19,130 | 01:25:21,130 | 那台灣民眾黨在這裡 |
| 01:25:21,130 | 01:25:23,130 | 也必須要嚴正 |
| 01:25:23,130 | 01:25:25,130 | 來告訴 |
| 01:25:25,130 | 01:25:27,130 | 我們所有的社會 |
| 01:25:27,130 | 01:25:29,130 | 大眾 |
| 01:25:29,220 | 01:25:31,220 | 我們很嚴謹的 |
| 01:25:31,220 | 01:25:33,220 | 進行預算的一個通膳 |
| 01:25:34,910 | 01:25:36,910 | 但是通膳之後 |
| 01:25:36,910 | 01:25:38,910 | 行政院依然握有 |
| 01:25:39,900 | 01:25:41,900 | 將近3兆元的預算 |
| 01:25:43,380 | 01:25:45,380 | 這麼大的一個龐大的國家資源 |
| 01:25:45,380 | 01:25:47,380 | 對執政黨的施政 |
| 01:25:47,380 | 01:25:49,380 | 絕對 |
| 01:25:49,380 | 01:25:51,380 | 錯錯有余 |
| 01:25:52,680 | 01:25:54,680 | 通膳的三檢署 |
| 01:25:54,680 | 01:25:56,680 | 跟眾籍的目的 |
| 01:25:56,680 | 01:25:58,680 | 絕對不是要 |
| 01:25:58,680 | 01:26:00,680 | 癱瘓國家 |
| 01:26:00,680 | 01:26:02,680 | 也不是要癱瘓行政 |
| 01:26:03,660 | 01:26:05,660 | 而是真正的居民來看緊合邦 |
| 01:26:05,660 | 01:26:07,660 | 我們要求 |
| 01:26:07,660 | 01:26:09,660 | 相關黨會 |
| 01:26:09,660 | 01:26:11,660 | 真正的要把 |
| 01:26:11,660 | 01:26:13,660 | 預算用在 |
| 01:26:14,550 | 01:26:16,550 | 照顧上 |
| 01:26:16,030 | 01:26:18,030 | 那這裡沒有人要預算喔 |
| 01:26:18,500 | 01:26:20,500 | 來 該我們民進黨 |
| 01:26:20,500 | 01:26:22,500 | 政府 |
| 01:26:22,110 | 01:26:24,110 | 來 出 |
| 01:26:23,460 | 01:26:25,460 | 老婆 |
| 01:26:24,640 | 01:26:26,640 | 手握著3兆元的一個預算 |
| 01:26:29,030 | 01:26:31,030 | 還不能好好的 |
| 01:26:31,020 | 01:26:33,020 | 來帶領執政團隊 |
| 01:26:33,020 | 01:26:35,020 | 來為國家建設 |
| 01:26:35,020 | 01:26:37,020 | 為人民來服務 |
| 01:26:37,020 | 01:26:39,020 | 那絕對就是執政無能 |
| 01:26:39,020 | 01:26:41,020 | 應該要 |
| 01:26:41,020 | 01:26:43,020 | 下台負責 |
| 01:26:43,810 | 01:26:45,810 | 這就是我們 |
| 01:26:45,810 | 01:26:47,810 | 也依過去 |
| 01:26:47,810 | 01:26:49,810 | 我們預算審查 |
| 01:26:49,810 | 01:26:51,810 | 的一個慣例 |
| 01:26:51,810 | 01:26:53,810 | 提出了一個強而有力 |
| 01:26:53,810 | 01:26:55,810 | 能夠真正的 |
| 01:26:55,810 | 01:26:57,810 | 嚴加審查 |
| 01:26:57,810 | 01:26:59,810 | 預算的一個 |
| 01:26:59,810 | 01:27:01,810 | 通膳提案 |
| 01:27:01,810 | 01:27:03,810 | 那請各黨團來支持 |
| 01:27:04,700 | 01:27:06,700 | 謝謝 |
| 01:27:13,410 | 01:27:15,410 | 大哥 準備一組委員器 |
| 01:27:16,600 | 01:27:18,600 | 好 針對剛剛民眾黨團 |
| 01:27:18,600 | 01:27:20,600 | 這幾個提案說明喔 |
| 01:27:20,600 | 01:27:22,600 | 我要說去年此時此刻喔 |
| 01:27:22,600 | 01:27:24,600 | 就坐在這邊 稿子差不多啦 |
| 01:27:25,730 | 01:27:27,730 | 意思就是說 民眾黨到底是實質監督的內容 |
| 01:27:27,730 | 01:27:29,730 | 到底是什麼 你們在意的到底是什麼 |
| 01:27:29,730 | 01:27:31,730 | 其實我還是沒有聽清楚 |
| 01:27:31,730 | 01:27:33,730 | 可是我們來看一下你們自己手上的提案內容喔 |
| 01:27:33,730 | 01:27:35,730 | 我想請剛剛發現的委員你來看一下 |
| 01:27:38,040 | 01:27:40,040 | 手上這個呢 我光是講煤炫費就好 |
| 01:27:40,040 | 01:27:44,040 | 媒體政策及業務宣導費統刪60% |
| 01:27:44,040 | 01:27:46,040 | 你們寫法甚至還說 |
| 01:27:46,040 | 01:27:48,040 | 委員會刪減數 |
| 01:27:48,040 | 01:27:50,040 | 如果超過通案的決議刪減數 |
| 01:27:50,040 | 01:27:54,040 | 則以各委員會審查刪減數為準 |
| 01:27:54,040 | 01:27:56,040 | 我不知道你們哪裡來的靈感 |
| 01:27:56,040 | 01:27:58,040 | 認為媒體政策及業務宣導費 |
| 01:27:58,040 | 01:28:00,040 | 統刪60% |
| 01:28:00,040 | 01:28:02,040 | 不知道是不是某一位國民黨的分區委員 |
| 01:28:02,040 | 01:28:04,040 | 他因為用了這個方法 |
| 01:28:04,040 | 01:28:06,040 | 在非常多委員會統刪非常多煤炫費 |
| 01:28:06,040 | 01:28:08,040 | 我不確定你們是不是跟這樣的委員學習 |
| 01:28:08,040 | 01:28:10,040 | 可是我要說現在 |
| 01:28:10,040 | 01:28:12,040 | 此時此刻我們在協商的時候 |
| 01:28:12,040 | 01:28:14,040 | 已經是7月29號了 |
| 01:28:14,040 | 01:28:16,040 | 先是藍白兩黨不認真審預算 |
| 01:28:16,040 | 01:28:18,040 | 拖到最後一刻才在補寫作業 |
| 01:28:18,040 | 01:28:20,040 | 補寫考卷 |
| 01:28:20,040 | 01:28:22,040 | 你們最怕看到的就是 |
| 01:28:22,040 | 01:28:24,040 | 等到新年度的預算書上進來 |
| 01:28:24,040 | 01:28:26,040 | 全台灣人民看到藍白最大的這個 |
| 01:28:26,040 | 01:28:28,040 | 國會變成兩年的預算書 |
| 01:28:28,040 | 01:28:30,040 | 一起審你們覺得丟臉 |
| 01:28:30,040 | 01:28:32,040 | 所以你們現在坐在這裡想要趕快過水 |
| 01:28:32,040 | 01:28:34,040 | 趕快處理 |
| 01:28:34,040 | 01:28:36,040 | 我就問煤炫費這一題 |
| 01:28:36,040 | 01:28:38,040 | 到底哪裡惹到你們了 |
| 01:28:38,040 | 01:28:40,040 | 我想問7月29號到現在 |
| 01:28:40,040 | 01:28:42,040 | 如果已經都還沒有 |
| 01:28:42,040 | 01:28:44,040 | 已經發包下去的已經在執行的 |
| 01:28:44,040 | 01:28:46,040 | 請問你要他怎麼辦 |
| 01:28:46,040 | 01:28:48,040 | 這是第一個 |
| 01:28:48,950 | 01:28:50,950 | 你們覺得煤炫費你們還有疑義嗎 |
| 01:28:50,950 | 01:28:52,950 | 你們很不開心嗎 |
| 01:28:52,950 | 01:28:54,950 | 我來唸一段話給你們聽一下 |
| 01:28:54,950 | 01:28:56,950 | 我不要告訴你這個是誰說的 |
| 01:28:56,950 | 01:28:58,950 | 但請你們聽一聽 |
| 01:28:58,950 | 01:29:00,950 | 這個是你們藍白的縣市首長說的 |
| 01:29:00,950 | 01:29:02,950 | 他說我相信 |
| 01:29:02,950 | 01:29:04,950 | 因為媒體宣傳費各局處 |
| 01:29:04,950 | 01:29:06,950 | 都還是會需要透過專業 |
| 01:29:06,950 | 01:29:08,950 | 來進行相關的宣傳 |
| 01:29:08,950 | 01:29:10,950 | 而且每一次的活動 |
| 01:29:10,950 | 01:29:12,950 | 相關的規劃內容形態 |
| 01:29:12,950 | 01:29:14,950 | 也都會不一樣 |
| 01:29:14,950 | 01:29:16,950 | 當然他說宣傳的效益 |
| 01:29:16,950 | 01:29:18,950 | 如果可以擴大 |
| 01:29:18,950 | 01:29:20,950 | 會有努力的空間 |
| 01:29:20,950 | 01:29:22,950 | 既然有議員提出來指教 |
| 01:29:22,950 | 01:29:24,950 | 就會來檢視 |
| 01:29:24,480 | 01:29:26,480 | 講這句話的市長 |
| 01:29:26,480 | 01:29:28,480 | 他的煤炫費 |
| 01:29:28,480 | 01:29:30,480 | 並沒有被粗暴的對待 |
| 01:29:30,480 | 01:29:32,480 | 雖然議員提出了他的實質監督 |
| 01:29:32,480 | 01:29:34,480 | 市長也公開的回覆 |
| 01:29:34,480 | 01:29:36,480 | 我來告訴你 |
| 01:29:36,480 | 01:29:38,480 | 這個是他用了多少錢 |
| 01:29:38,480 | 01:29:40,480 | 光是他們的觀光傳播局 |
| 01:29:40,480 | 01:29:42,480 | 花了9407萬 |
| 01:29:42,480 | 01:29:44,480 | 他們的體育局 |
| 01:29:44,480 | 01:29:46,480 | 花在相關的煤炫費8415萬 |
| 01:29:46,480 | 01:29:48,480 | 文化局花了 |
| 01:29:48,480 | 01:29:50,480 | 6939萬 |
| 01:29:50,480 | 01:29:52,480 | 這個是 |
| 01:29:52,120 | 01:29:54,120 | 台北市蔣萬安說的 |
| 01:29:54,120 | 01:29:56,120 | 花了將近1.28億 |
| 01:29:56,120 | 01:29:58,120 | 我們再來看侯友宜的 |
| 01:29:58,120 | 01:30:00,120 | 新北市花了1.62億 |
| 01:30:00,120 | 01:30:02,120 | 以上我說的全部 |
| 01:30:02,120 | 01:30:04,120 | 都是煤炫費 |
| 01:30:04,120 | 01:30:06,120 | 桃園花了8700萬 |
| 01:30:06,120 | 01:30:08,120 | 台中市花了4900萬 |
| 01:30:08,120 | 01:30:10,120 | 花蓮花了2.2億 |
| 01:30:10,900 | 01:30:12,900 | 花蓮內2.2億 |
| 01:30:12,900 | 01:30:14,900 | 果然是非常了不起的縣市 |
| 01:30:14,900 | 01:30:16,900 | 雲林花了5737萬 |
| 01:30:19,250 | 01:30:21,250 | 這些都是實實在在的煤炫費 |
| 01:30:21,250 | 01:30:23,250 | 至於在立法院裡面 |
| 01:30:23,250 | 01:30:25,250 | 發生煤炫費被刪 |
| 01:30:25,250 | 01:30:27,250 | 我所在的教文委員會裡面 |
| 01:30:27,250 | 01:30:29,250 | 文化部積極認真的 |
| 01:30:29,250 | 01:30:31,250 | 跟相關提案的委員說明了 |
| 01:30:31,250 | 01:30:33,250 | 煤炫費花到哪裡去 |
| 01:30:33,250 | 01:30:35,250 | 不聽就是不聽 |
| 01:30:35,250 | 01:30:37,250 | 要刪就是要刪 |
| 01:30:37,250 | 01:30:39,250 | 甚至相關提案是用複製貼上的方法 |
| 01:30:39,250 | 01:30:41,250 | 貼到不同的委員會去 |
| 01:30:41,250 | 01:30:43,250 | 甚至在一輪提案之後 |
| 01:30:43,250 | 01:30:45,250 | 泛話恐嚇威脅各部會首長說 |
| 01:30:45,250 | 01:30:47,250 | 我們二輪提案件 |
| 01:30:47,250 | 01:30:49,250 | 這是藍白立委說的話 |
| 01:30:49,250 | 01:30:51,250 | 我不確定煤炫費對你們來說 |
| 01:30:51,250 | 01:30:53,250 | 是多麼大的恐懼 |
| 01:30:53,250 | 01:30:55,250 | 把相關業務對國人說清楚有很難嗎 |
| 01:30:55,250 | 01:30:57,250 | 把相關的活動辦出來有很難嗎 |
| 01:30:57,250 | 01:30:59,250 | 這些事情是我們中央在做的 |
| 01:30:59,250 | 01:31:01,250 | 如果中央在做的事情 |
| 01:31:01,250 | 01:31:03,250 | 跟地方在做的是一樣的 |
| 01:31:03,250 | 01:31:05,250 | 透過辦活動透過政令宣導 |
| 01:31:05,250 | 01:31:07,250 | 透過很多的政策宣導 |
| 01:31:07,250 | 01:31:09,250 | 把事情講清楚讓人民知道 |
| 01:31:09,250 | 01:31:11,250 | 不要有任何訊息被漏接 |
| 01:31:11,250 | 01:31:13,250 | 不要有人被忽略到 |
| 01:31:13,250 | 01:31:15,250 | 這些事情是地方在做 |
| 01:31:15,250 | 01:31:17,250 | 所以我們中央的施政被地方的人民知道 |
| 01:31:17,250 | 01:31:19,250 | 再來我要說剛剛我所說的那些數字 |
| 01:31:19,250 | 01:31:21,250 | 請問在各地方議會 |
| 01:31:21,250 | 01:31:23,250 | 有受到粗暴的對待不當的對待嗎 |
| 01:31:23,250 | 01:31:25,250 | 這些縣市首長 |
| 01:31:25,250 | 01:31:27,250 | 有被他們的民意代表霸凌嗎 |
| 01:31:27,250 | 01:31:29,250 | 但我們看見的是在立法院 |
| 01:31:30,680 | 01:31:32,680 | 所有藍白立委共同在霸凌各部會首長 |
| 01:31:32,680 | 01:31:34,680 | 光是沒宣費這件事情荒謬至極 |
| 01:31:34,680 | 01:31:36,680 | 荒謬至極 |
| 01:31:36,680 | 01:31:38,680 | 我接下來要說更可笑的是出國旅費 |
| 01:31:38,680 | 01:31:40,680 | 如果你們覺得對於到大陸地區 |
| 01:31:40,680 | 01:31:42,680 | 你們有疑問 |
| 01:31:42,680 | 01:31:44,680 | 我說是中國這個極權獨裁國家 |
| 01:31:44,680 | 01:31:46,680 | 你們認為各部會首長出差到那邊去 |
| 01:31:46,680 | 01:31:48,680 | 你們有疑問你們要做你的處理 |
| 01:31:48,680 | 01:31:50,680 | 我沒有意見但我們來看 |
| 01:31:50,680 | 01:31:52,680 | 光是其他出國費用你們做了什麼樣的處理 |
| 01:31:54,000 | 01:31:56,000 | 去年一樣坐在這邊 |
| 01:31:56,000 | 01:31:58,000 | 你們針對監察院所在做的人權宣導工作 |
| 01:31:58,000 | 01:32:00,000 | 你們針對監察院所在做的人權宣導工作 |
| 01:32:00,000 | 01:32:02,000 | 相關國際會議 |
| 01:32:02,000 | 01:32:04,000 | 我想請剛剛發言的委員聽一聽 |
| 01:32:04,000 | 01:32:06,000 | 去年我就坐在這裡 |
| 01:32:06,000 | 01:32:08,000 | 當時你們不只羞辱 |
| 01:32:08,000 | 01:32:10,000 | 國家人權委員會在做的事情 |
| 01:32:10,000 | 01:32:12,000 | 羞辱監察院長 |
| 01:32:12,000 | 01:32:14,000 | 今年繼續用一樣的方法 |
| 01:32:14,000 | 01:32:16,000 | 所以我會說你們的說辭 |
| 01:32:16,000 | 01:32:18,000 | 你們的說帖你們的寫法 |
| 01:32:18,000 | 01:32:20,000 | 甚至沒有創意沒有心意 |
| 01:32:20,000 | 01:32:22,000 | 剛剛你們講話 |
| 01:32:22,000 | 01:32:24,000 | 我沒有時間限制嗎憑什麼我說話就有時間限制 |
| 01:32:24,000 | 01:32:26,000 | 我可以繼續說嗎主席 |
| 01:32:27,860 | 01:32:29,860 | OK |
| 01:32:28,890 | 01:32:30,890 | 但是麻煩稍微控制一下時間 |
| 01:32:30,890 | 01:32:32,890 | 好不好 |
| 01:32:32,890 | 01:32:34,890 | 謝謝 |
| 01:32:34,400 | 01:32:36,400 | 光是人權這件事情你們有多麼害怕被人家知道 |
| 01:32:36,400 | 01:32:38,400 | 光是人權這件事情你們有多麼害怕被人家知道 |
| 01:32:38,890 | 01:32:40,890 | 我就問你們多害怕你們待會自己要不要說一說 |
| 01:32:40,890 | 01:32:42,890 | 監察院裡面 |
| 01:32:42,890 | 01:32:44,890 | 你們的民眾黨團體驗是怎麼說的 |
| 01:32:44,890 | 01:32:46,890 | 你們對於監察院 |
| 01:32:46,890 | 01:32:48,890 | 身為國際監察組織 |
| 01:32:48,890 | 01:32:50,890 | 還有伊比利美洲監察史聯盟的 |
| 01:32:50,890 | 01:32:52,890 | 正式會員這件事情他們 |
| 01:32:52,890 | 01:32:54,890 | 必須要出國進行交流 |
| 01:32:54,890 | 01:32:56,890 | 會議今年就定在 |
| 01:32:56,890 | 01:32:58,890 | 11月在阿根廷去年 |
| 01:32:58,890 | 01:33:00,890 | 在別的國家你們要黨今年繼續 |
| 01:33:00,890 | 01:33:02,890 | 黨然後國家人權委員會 |
| 01:33:02,890 | 01:33:04,890 | 是亞太地區的國家人權 |
| 01:33:04,890 | 01:33:06,890 | 機構論壇的成員觀察 |
| 01:33:06,890 | 01:33:08,890 | 委員之一我們台灣 |
| 01:33:08,890 | 01:33:10,890 | 好不容易千辛萬苦 |
| 01:33:10,890 | 01:33:12,890 | 突破外交困境 |
| 01:33:12,890 | 01:33:14,890 | 所有外交人員的努力所有人權委員 |
| 01:33:14,890 | 01:33:16,890 | 的努力你們有看在眼裡嗎 |
| 01:33:16,890 | 01:33:18,890 | 他們好不容易為台灣爭取到 |
| 01:33:18,890 | 01:33:20,890 | 這麼一點點的國際地位 |
| 01:33:20,890 | 01:33:22,890 | 觀察員身份哪裡愛到你們了 |
| 01:33:22,890 | 01:33:24,890 | 出席相關的APF年會 |
| 01:33:24,890 | 01:33:26,890 | 你們一樣黨他出國旅費 |
| 01:33:26,890 | 01:33:28,890 | 我要跟各位藍白委員報告 |
| 01:33:28,890 | 01:33:30,890 | 115年APF年會 |
| 01:33:30,890 | 01:33:32,890 | 在12月4號在約旦召開 |
| 01:33:32,890 | 01:33:34,890 | 如果你們今天相關旅費全部 |
| 01:33:34,890 | 01:33:36,890 | 都要刪除讓他們沒辦法 |
| 01:33:36,890 | 01:33:38,890 | 執行是不是我們好不容易爭取到 |
| 01:33:38,890 | 01:33:40,890 | 的外交地位外交空間就會因此 |
| 01:33:40,890 | 01:33:42,890 | 而消失當台灣的外交 |
| 01:33:42,890 | 01:33:44,890 | 地位外交空間因此而消失 |
| 01:33:44,890 | 01:33:46,890 | 到底得利的是誰難道是要在 |
| 01:33:46,890 | 01:33:48,890 | 難道是這些藍白的委員嗎你們 |
| 01:33:48,890 | 01:33:50,890 | 真的不樂見台灣在國際地位 |
| 01:33:50,890 | 01:33:52,890 | 可以有發射的空間嗎 |
| 01:33:52,890 | 01:33:54,890 | 海院長不是才剛出席國際的很多 |
| 01:33:54,890 | 01:33:56,890 | 會不是才帶很多跨 |
| 01:33:56,890 | 01:33:58,890 | 黨派的委員一起出國嗎 |
| 01:33:58,890 | 01:34:00,890 | 謝謝所以這件事情是為了什麼 |
| 01:34:01,560 | 01:34:03,560 | 你們可以不願意台灣團結 |
| 01:34:03,560 | 01:34:05,560 | 你們可以為了自己的政治利益 |
| 01:34:05,560 | 01:34:07,560 | 做政治操作但是在國際上 |
| 01:34:07,560 | 01:34:09,560 | 台灣他就是一個國家台灣他 |
| 01:34:09,560 | 01:34:11,560 | 就是一個需要被看見的地方所以 |
| 01:34:11,560 | 01:34:13,560 | 光是出國旅費這件事情沒宣費 |
| 01:34:13,560 | 01:34:15,560 | 這件事情我今天沒有抹任何人 |
| 01:34:15,560 | 01:34:17,560 | 戴上紅帽子我也不想抹紅 |
| 01:34:17,560 | 01:34:19,560 | 因為上次有某一個在黨委員 |
| 01:34:19,560 | 01:34:21,560 | 在叫人說不要抹紅但 |
| 01:34:21,560 | 01:34:23,560 | 我今天就說在不抹紅的前提 |
| 01:34:23,560 | 01:34:25,560 | 下請問台灣被看見哪裡 |
| 01:34:25,560 | 01:34:27,560 | 愛到你們了所以你們黨了出國旅費 |
| 01:34:27,560 | 01:34:29,560 | 你們黨了沒宣費接下來你們要黨什麼 |
| 01:34:30,350 | 01:34:32,350 | 難道我又要聽到你們要叫部長 |
| 01:34:32,350 | 01:34:34,350 | 自己寫臉書嗎所以難道我也可以說 |
| 01:34:34,350 | 01:34:36,350 | 台北市蔣萬安你就叫你的 |
| 01:34:36,350 | 01:34:38,350 | 英文繼續拍影片發臉書 |
| 01:34:38,350 | 01:34:40,350 | 好謝謝做抹黑的圖卡 |
| 01:34:40,350 | 01:34:42,350 | 這樣是你們願意看見的嗎 |
| 01:34:42,840 | 01:34:44,840 | 誰是雙標我想大家看得非常清楚 |
| 01:34:44,840 | 01:34:46,840 | 陳培宇委員表達很詳盡 |
| 01:34:46,840 | 01:34:48,840 | 我們現在請翁曉琳委員請發言 |
| 01:34:51,040 | 01:34:53,040 | 好這話說從頭這個為什麼 |
| 01:34:53,040 | 01:34:55,040 | 我們今天的預算要拖到 |
| 01:34:55,040 | 01:34:57,040 | 七月底了才審議 |
| 01:34:57,040 | 01:34:59,040 | 始作庸者罪魁禍首 |
| 01:34:59,040 | 01:35:01,040 | 就是民進黨 |
| 01:35:01,040 | 01:35:03,040 | 政府的卓榮泰還有賴清德 |
| 01:35:03,040 | 01:35:07,040 | 因為他們不公佈法律不附屬法律 |
| 01:35:07,040 | 01:35:09,040 | 不依法編列預算 |
| 01:35:09,040 | 01:35:11,040 | 所以呢在野黨這邊呢 |
| 01:35:11,040 | 01:35:13,040 | 強烈的表示抗議 |
| 01:35:13,040 | 01:35:15,040 | 認為必須要完成這些憲政 |
| 01:35:15,040 | 01:35:17,040 | 義務而且必須要依法編列 |
| 01:35:17,040 | 01:35:19,040 | 軍人加給之後我們再來 |
| 01:35:19,040 | 01:35:21,040 | 審這個中央政府總預算 |
| 01:35:21,040 | 01:35:23,040 | 那但是在韓院長的 |
| 01:35:23,040 | 01:35:25,040 | 焦急協商之下我們也退讓了 |
| 01:35:25,040 | 01:35:29,040 | 我也考量到就是苦民所苦 |
| 01:35:29,040 | 01:35:31,040 | 我們還是需要給這個刑罪機關 |
| 01:35:31,040 | 01:35:33,040 | 這些費用去用所以我們 |
| 01:35:33,040 | 01:35:35,040 | 也認真地審查這一次的預算 |
| 01:35:35,040 | 01:35:39,040 | 我還記得當時院長在召開 |
| 01:35:39,040 | 01:35:41,040 | 到底要不要審預算的時候有說 |
| 01:35:42,320 | 01:35:48,320 | 行政院要提出軍公教待遇條例草案的議題 |
| 01:35:50,020 | 01:35:54,020 | 行政院到現在有送出軍公教待遇條例草案嗎 |
| 01:35:54,880 | 01:35:56,880 | 沒有 |
| 01:35:57,140 | 01:35:59,140 | 委員院長協商的時間是六個月 |
| 01:35:59,140 | 01:36:01,140 | 沒有我現在要再講 |
| 01:36:01,140 | 01:36:03,140 | 我現在要再講 |
| 01:36:03,140 | 01:36:05,140 | 好所以呢雖然他們沒有 |
| 01:36:05,140 | 01:36:07,140 | 送可是我們還是審了 |
| 01:36:07,140 | 01:36:09,140 | 我現在要講的是 |
| 01:36:09,980 | 01:36:11,980 | 在去年針對煤炫費 |
| 01:36:11,980 | 01:36:13,980 | 我們本來也就是 |
| 01:36:13,980 | 01:36:15,980 | 通案刪減百分之六十 |
| 01:36:15,980 | 01:36:17,980 | 有些部會是全刪包含文化部在內 |
| 01:36:17,980 | 01:36:19,980 | 可是我們也看到 |
| 01:36:19,980 | 01:36:21,980 | 文化部在去年這一年裡面 |
| 01:36:21,980 | 01:36:23,980 | 他們沒有做任何業務宣導嗎 |
| 01:36:23,980 | 01:36:25,980 | 有啊 |
| 01:36:25,980 | 01:36:27,980 | 也做得不錯啊 |
| 01:36:27,980 | 01:36:29,980 | 我們辦的一些活動文化部部長 |
| 01:36:29,980 | 01:36:31,980 | 不是自己也很認真地去宣傳嗎 |
| 01:36:31,980 | 01:36:33,980 | 他們自己回覆給我們的說明 |
| 01:36:33,980 | 01:36:35,980 | 都說他們業務單位 |
| 01:36:35,980 | 01:36:37,980 | 可以透過各式各樣的方式 |
| 01:36:37,980 | 01:36:39,980 | 在臉書po文召開記者會 |
| 01:36:39,980 | 01:36:41,980 | 來做業務宣導 |
| 01:36:41,980 | 01:36:43,980 | 我要講的是煤炫費 |
| 01:36:43,980 | 01:36:45,980 | 本來就不是必要費用 |
| 01:36:45,980 | 01:36:47,980 | 是如果說今天 |
| 01:36:47,980 | 01:36:49,980 | 我剛剛念的那段話你有沒有去講給蔣萬安聽啊 |
| 01:36:49,980 | 01:36:51,980 | 那個裴委員我們麻煩 |
| 01:36:51,980 | 01:36:53,980 | 尊重一下發言委拜託 |
| 01:36:53,980 | 01:36:55,980 | 他總是很愛這樣插嘴 |
| 01:36:55,880 | 01:36:57,880 | 好 我要講的是 |
| 01:36:58,600 | 01:37:02,600 | 煤炫費它本來就不是政府支出的必要費用 |
| 01:37:02,600 | 01:37:04,600 | 更何況我要講的是 |
| 01:37:04,600 | 01:37:06,600 | 我們民進黨 |
| 01:37:06,600 | 01:37:08,600 | 是部會機關的首長 |
| 01:37:08,600 | 01:37:10,600 | 各個能言善道 |
| 01:37:10,600 | 01:37:12,600 | 口才極好 |
| 01:37:12,600 | 01:37:14,600 | 我們陸委會梁文傑 |
| 01:37:14,600 | 01:37:16,600 | 副主委說 |
| 01:37:16,600 | 01:37:18,600 | 他一個人就可以去 |
| 01:37:18,600 | 01:37:20,600 | 他一個人他用他那一張嘴 |
| 01:37:20,600 | 01:37:22,600 | 他就可以去對抗中共的文炫 |
| 01:37:22,600 | 01:37:24,600 | 我非常的 |
| 01:37:24,600 | 01:37:26,600 | 欽佩我也認為我們 |
| 01:37:26,600 | 01:37:28,600 | 其他部會機關的首長 |
| 01:37:28,600 | 01:37:30,600 | 都有這個能力 |
| 01:37:30,600 | 01:37:32,600 | 可以做到把自己的 |
| 01:37:32,600 | 01:37:34,600 | 業務宣導講好 |
| 01:37:34,600 | 01:37:36,600 | 然後業務做好 |
| 01:37:36,600 | 01:37:38,600 | 不需要浪費明指明高 |
| 01:37:38,600 | 01:37:40,600 | 每年花幾十億 |
| 01:37:40,600 | 01:37:42,600 | 去做煤炫 |
| 01:37:42,600 | 01:37:44,600 | 而且沒有效果 |
| 01:37:44,600 | 01:37:46,600 | 重點是有效果則罷 |
| 01:37:46,600 | 01:37:48,600 | 還沒有效果 |
| 01:37:48,600 | 01:37:50,600 | 我們看了很多文化部做的一些 |
| 01:37:50,600 | 01:37:52,600 | 這個什麼宣傳影片 |
| 01:37:52,600 | 01:37:54,600 | 或是其他的機關做宣傳影片 |
| 01:37:54,600 | 01:37:56,600 | 點閱次數 |
| 01:37:56,600 | 01:37:58,600 | 只有幾十次 |
| 01:37:58,830 | 01:38:00,830 | 上百次 |
| 01:38:00,680 | 01:38:02,680 | 這樣的業務宣傳費 |
| 01:38:03,630 | 01:38:05,630 | 該話嗎 |
| 01:38:05,240 | 01:38:07,240 | 當然不該花 |
| 01:38:07,870 | 01:38:09,870 | 對 |
| 01:38:09,870 | 01:38:11,870 | 我們今天韓院長隨便po一個文 |
| 01:38:11,870 | 01:38:13,870 | 幾十萬人看 |
| 01:38:13,870 | 01:38:15,870 | 如果說今天哪一個部會 |
| 01:38:15,870 | 01:38:17,870 | 你們今天po一個文做一個影片 |
| 01:38:17,870 | 01:38:19,870 | 有這樣這麼好的效果我當然全力支持 |
| 01:38:19,870 | 01:38:21,870 | 我現在講了就是每一個部會首長 |
| 01:38:21,870 | 01:38:23,870 | 這個民進黨政府每個部會首長 |
| 01:38:23,870 | 01:38:25,870 | 大家都是口才 |
| 01:38:25,870 | 01:38:27,870 | 這個 |
| 01:38:27,510 | 01:38:29,510 | 能言善道你們都可以把你們業務講的非常好 |
| 01:38:32,320 | 01:38:34,320 | 現在我們看到的就是 |
| 01:38:34,320 | 01:38:36,320 | 很多部會機關 |
| 01:38:36,320 | 01:38:38,320 | 到底是不是真的在做煤炫 |
| 01:38:38,320 | 01:38:40,320 | 我看都不是在為我們國家 |
| 01:38:40,320 | 01:38:42,320 | 政府這個機關做文宣 |
| 01:38:42,320 | 01:38:44,320 | 看起來都在為民進黨做文宣 |
| 01:38:44,320 | 01:38:46,320 | 所以我今天要講的 |
| 01:38:46,320 | 01:38:48,320 | 不是台灣 |
| 01:38:48,320 | 01:38:50,320 | 沒被看見 |
| 01:38:50,320 | 01:38:52,320 | 民進黨可能更擔心的是 |
| 01:38:52,320 | 01:38:54,320 | 民進黨沒有這筆文宣費 |
| 01:38:54,320 | 01:38:56,320 | 他就不被看見 |
| 01:38:56,320 | 01:38:58,320 | 而我們基本上就是要 |
| 01:38:58,320 | 01:39:00,320 | 嚴審煤炫費 |
| 01:39:00,320 | 01:39:02,320 | 我強調那句話 |
| 01:39:02,320 | 01:39:04,320 | 錢要用在刀口上 |
| 01:39:04,320 | 01:39:06,320 | 如果今天我們的部會首長都這麼能幹 |
| 01:39:06,320 | 01:39:08,320 | 可以把他的業務講的很好 |
| 01:39:08,320 | 01:39:10,320 | 我們何必要編煤炫費 |
| 01:39:10,320 | 01:39:12,320 | 而且這不是小錢 |
| 01:39:12,320 | 01:39:14,320 | 都是幾十億幾十億 |
| 01:39:14,320 | 01:39:16,320 | 還有更多的煤炫費 |
| 01:39:16,320 | 01:39:18,320 | 他是藏在各個 |
| 01:39:18,320 | 01:39:20,320 | 計畫項目裡面的 |
| 01:39:20,320 | 01:39:22,320 | 活動費用 |
| 01:39:22,320 | 01:39:24,320 | 如果真的把它撈出來 |
| 01:39:24,320 | 01:39:26,320 | 我告訴大家上百億 |
| 01:39:26,760 | 01:39:28,760 | 把這些錢省下來 |
| 01:39:28,760 | 01:39:30,760 | 我們去給真正的文化團體給他補助 |
| 01:39:30,760 | 01:39:32,760 | 難道不好嗎 |
| 01:39:33,510 | 01:39:35,510 | 我今天就是論 |
| 01:39:35,510 | 01:39:37,510 | 在談這件事情 |
| 01:39:37,510 | 01:39:39,510 | 所以我們回歸到 |
| 01:39:40,550 | 01:39:42,550 | 民眾黨團提的 |
| 01:39:42,550 | 01:39:44,550 | 通案刪減理由 |
| 01:39:44,550 | 01:39:46,550 | 我非常支持 |
| 01:39:46,550 | 01:39:48,550 | 除此之外我還提議 |
| 01:39:48,550 | 01:39:50,550 | 如果待會可以談到 |
| 01:39:50,550 | 01:39:52,550 | 有關於特別費的刪除的話 |
| 01:39:52,550 | 01:39:54,550 | 第一我非常支持現在特別費的刪除 |
| 01:39:54,550 | 01:39:56,550 | 但是我認為說可能還少了幾個機關 |
| 01:39:56,550 | 01:39:58,550 | 應該要加上去 |
| 01:39:58,550 | 01:40:00,550 | 教育部長的特別費 |
| 01:40:00,550 | 01:40:02,550 | 還有中研院院長特別費 |
| 01:40:02,550 | 01:40:04,550 | 我建議應該要全數刪除 |
| 01:40:04,550 | 01:40:06,550 | 以上 |
| 01:40:10,050 | 01:40:12,050 | 我們三個黨團第一輪發言已經發言完畢 |
| 01:40:12,050 | 01:40:14,050 | 我現在請行政部門表達意見 |
| 01:40:14,050 | 01:40:16,050 | 麻煩請陳主計長發言 |
| 01:40:16,050 | 01:40:18,050 | 然後張秘書長請準備 |
| 01:40:22,210 | 01:40:24,210 | 好 秘書長也請準備 |
| 01:40:24,120 | 01:40:26,120 | 好 是 院長 |
| 01:40:26,120 | 01:40:28,120 | 我是把近年來 |
| 01:40:28,120 | 01:40:30,120 | 通案刪減的情形 |
| 01:40:30,120 | 01:40:32,120 | 做一個說明 |
| 01:40:32,120 | 01:40:34,120 | 那近年來總預算刪減 |
| 01:40:34,120 | 01:40:36,120 | 是114年除外 |
| 01:40:36,120 | 01:40:38,120 | 大部分都是刪減的比例 |
| 01:40:38,120 | 01:40:40,120 | 都是介在1.1到1.2 |
| 01:40:40,120 | 01:40:42,120 | 那113年 |
| 01:40:42,120 | 01:40:44,120 | 他又會特別 |
| 01:40:44,120 | 01:40:46,120 | 減掉扣除 |
| 01:40:46,120 | 01:40:48,120 | 譬如說撥補勞保基金的部分 |
| 01:40:48,120 | 01:40:50,120 | 他會扣除 |
| 01:40:50,120 | 01:40:52,120 | 那114年度的情形 |
| 01:40:52,120 | 01:40:54,120 | 他本來是刪減2075億 |
| 01:40:54,120 | 01:40:56,120 | 那刪減率是6.62% |
| 01:40:56,120 | 01:40:58,120 | 但是我們後來 |
| 01:40:58,120 | 01:41:00,120 | 又辦理追加 |
| 01:41:00,120 | 01:41:02,120 | 又辦理追加 |
| 01:41:02,120 | 01:41:04,120 | 所以回編了734億 |
| 01:41:04,120 | 01:41:06,120 | 所以排除 |
| 01:41:06,120 | 01:41:08,120 | 如果排除台電1000億 |
| 01:41:08,120 | 01:41:10,120 | 那大概刪減數是341億 |
| 01:41:10,120 | 01:41:12,120 | 以114年 |
| 01:41:12,120 | 01:41:14,120 | 那115年度的部分 |
| 01:41:14,120 | 01:41:16,120 | 我們是建議 |
| 01:41:16,120 | 01:41:18,120 | 如果說第一個要扣除的部分 |
| 01:41:18,120 | 01:41:20,120 | 是不是建議比照往例 |
| 01:41:20,120 | 01:41:22,120 | 第一個扣除勞保基金的部分 |
| 01:41:22,120 | 01:41:24,120 | 那第二個扣除那個 |
| 01:41:24,120 | 01:41:26,120 | 先行動資新興計畫 |
| 01:41:26,120 | 01:41:28,120 | 718億的一個部分 |
| 01:41:28,120 | 01:41:30,120 | 那這樣子的話 |
| 01:41:30,120 | 01:41:32,120 | 如果說以以往的基礎1.2來算 |
| 01:41:32,120 | 01:41:34,120 | 大概目標是341億 |
| 01:41:34,120 | 01:41:36,120 | 那至於各 |
| 01:41:36,120 | 01:41:38,120 | 科目刪減的比例 |
| 01:41:38,120 | 01:41:40,120 | 我們是說像一般 |
| 01:41:40,120 | 01:41:42,120 | 特別會、媒體宣導會 |
| 01:41:42,120 | 01:41:44,120 | 都高達60% |
| 01:41:46,250 | 01:41:48,250 | 那個國內旅會也達到20% |
| 01:41:48,250 | 01:41:50,250 | 那因為現在已經到7月 |
| 01:41:50,250 | 01:41:52,250 | 所以比例如果刪減過高 |
| 01:41:52,250 | 01:41:54,250 | 那就會影響到不回 |
| 01:41:54,250 | 01:41:56,250 | 他整個一個正常的運作 |
| 01:41:56,250 | 01:41:58,250 | 和計畫的一個執行 |
| 01:41:58,250 | 01:42:00,250 | 所以我們是建議 |
| 01:42:00,250 | 01:42:04,250 | 能夠是不是比照113年的刪減比例 |
| 01:42:04,250 | 01:42:06,250 | 例如說委辦會10% |
| 01:42:06,250 | 01:42:08,250 | 降為5% |
| 01:42:08,250 | 01:42:10,250 | 國外旅會60% |
| 01:42:10,250 | 01:42:12,250 | 能不能降為5% |
| 01:42:12,250 | 01:42:14,250 | 還有那個媒體宣導 |
| 01:42:14,250 | 01:42:16,250 | 60%是不是降為25% |
| 01:42:16,250 | 01:42:18,250 | 一般事務會是10% |
| 01:42:18,250 | 01:42:20,250 | 降為3% |
| 01:42:20,250 | 01:42:22,250 | 那國內旅會是不是能夠不刪 |
| 01:42:22,250 | 01:42:24,250 | 以上一個建議 |
| 01:42:24,250 | 01:42:26,250 | 謝謝陳主委長 |
| 01:42:26,250 | 01:42:28,250 | 監察院黃兵長先好嗎 |
| 01:42:28,250 | 01:42:30,250 | 行政院張兵長請稍待 |
| 01:42:30,250 | 01:42:32,250 | 謝謝院長以及各黨團協商代表委員 |
| 01:42:32,250 | 01:42:34,250 | 黃市委在這邊代表監察院 |
| 01:42:34,250 | 01:42:36,250 | 向這個協商會議報告 |
| 01:42:36,250 | 01:42:38,250 | 這次民眾黨黨團 |
| 01:42:38,250 | 01:42:40,250 | 提案國外旅費及出國教育訓練 |
| 01:42:40,250 | 01:42:42,250 | 的部分監察院 |
| 01:42:42,250 | 01:42:44,250 | 全數刪除 |
| 01:42:44,250 | 01:42:46,250 | 這邊要特別說明 |
| 01:42:46,250 | 01:42:48,250 | 今年的下半年 |
| 01:42:48,250 | 01:42:50,250 | 監察院有兩個非常重要的國際組織 |
| 01:42:50,250 | 01:42:52,250 | 要去參與 |
| 01:42:52,250 | 01:42:54,250 | 這是監察院花了非常大力氣 |
| 01:42:54,250 | 01:42:56,250 | 好不容易突破封鎖 |
| 01:42:56,250 | 01:42:58,250 | 奮力爭取到的 |
| 01:42:58,250 | 01:43:00,250 | 兩個國際組織 |
| 01:43:00,250 | 01:43:02,250 | 成為正式的會員以及觀察員 |
| 01:43:02,250 | 01:43:04,250 | 這目的是要讓世界看見台灣 |
| 01:43:04,250 | 01:43:06,250 | 其中一個是 |
| 01:43:06,250 | 01:43:08,250 | 國際監察組織IoI裡面的 |
| 01:43:08,250 | 01:43:10,250 | 一比例每週監察會 |
| 01:43:10,250 | 01:43:12,250 | 這是我們正式的名稱 |
| 01:43:12,250 | 01:43:14,250 | 已經是我們的正式會員了 |
| 01:43:14,250 | 01:43:16,250 | 這個如果今年 |
| 01:43:16,250 | 01:43:18,250 | 在11月份的阿根廷 |
| 01:43:18,250 | 01:43:20,250 | 的大會我們沒辦法去參加的話 |
| 01:43:20,250 | 01:43:22,250 | 可能也會 |
| 01:43:22,250 | 01:43:24,250 | 在國際上面影響到 |
| 01:43:24,250 | 01:43:26,250 | 我們的會籍等等相關的 |
| 01:43:26,250 | 01:43:28,250 | 所以對我們的這個 |
| 01:43:28,250 | 01:43:30,250 | 會籍的影響非常的重大 |
| 01:43:30,250 | 01:43:32,250 | 另外一個是國家人權委員會 |
| 01:43:32,250 | 01:43:34,250 | 也自112年起 |
| 01:43:34,250 | 01:43:36,250 | 也以觀察員的身份 |
| 01:43:36,250 | 01:43:38,250 | 出席這個會議 |
| 01:43:38,250 | 01:43:40,250 | 也以觀察員的身份出席了 |
| 01:43:40,250 | 01:43:42,250 | 亞太地區國家人權機構論壇 |
| 01:43:42,250 | 01:43:44,250 | 我們稱為APF |
| 01:43:44,250 | 01:43:46,250 | 這個APF在12月4號 |
| 01:43:46,250 | 01:43:48,250 | 在約旦召開 |
| 01:43:48,250 | 01:43:50,250 | 這個國際人權組織裡面 |
| 01:43:50,250 | 01:43:52,250 | 它是一個非常重大的 |
| 01:43:52,250 | 01:43:54,250 | 重要的亞太地區的 |
| 01:43:54,250 | 01:43:56,250 | 國家人權的機構的團隊 |
| 01:43:56,250 | 01:43:58,250 | 這個團隊對我們 |
| 01:43:58,250 | 01:44:00,250 | 在國家我們好不容易 |
| 01:44:00,250 | 01:44:02,250 | 建立起了一個國家人權的 |
| 01:44:02,250 | 01:44:04,250 | 世界的一個聲望 |
| 01:44:04,250 | 01:44:06,250 | 以及這個聲明 |
| 01:44:06,250 | 01:44:08,250 | 我們相信啦 |
| 01:44:08,250 | 01:44:10,250 | 在未來有必要讓我們再去參加 |
| 01:44:10,250 | 01:44:12,250 | 這個部分也要特別的 |
| 01:44:12,250 | 01:44:14,250 | 向大會來說明 |
| 01:44:14,250 | 01:44:16,250 | 另外呢以往參加這個會議 |
| 01:44:16,250 | 01:44:18,250 | 都是由我們的院長或副院長帶隊 |
| 01:44:18,250 | 01:44:20,250 | 也請保留 |
| 01:44:20,250 | 01:44:22,250 | 讓我們的院長副院長相關的 |
| 01:44:22,250 | 01:44:24,250 | 出國費用能夠保留 |
| 01:44:24,250 | 01:44:26,250 | 讓我們能夠由院長或副院長 |
| 01:44:26,250 | 01:44:28,250 | 來帶隊出席相關的會議 |
| 01:44:28,250 | 01:44:30,250 | 以上說明 |
| 01:44:30,250 | 01:44:32,250 | 謝謝黃秘書長 |
| 01:44:32,250 | 01:44:34,250 | 很清楚二要的說明非常感謝 |
| 01:44:34,250 | 01:44:36,250 | 請新任張秘書長請 |
| 01:44:36,450 | 01:44:38,450 | 謝謝院長謝謝各黨的委員們 |
| 01:44:38,450 | 01:44:42,450 | 因為民眾黨團的提案非常的多 |
| 01:44:42,450 | 01:44:44,450 | 所以容許我花一點時間說明 |
| 01:44:44,450 | 01:44:46,450 | 我相信在場很多委員先進 |
| 01:44:47,860 | 01:44:49,860 | 應該有一點既視感 |
| 01:44:50,190 | 01:44:52,190 | 去年2025年的中央政府總預算 |
| 01:44:52,190 | 01:44:54,190 | 是在紛紛擾擾當中 |
| 01:44:54,190 | 01:44:58,190 | 1月21號韓院長三讀通過 |
| 01:44:58,660 | 01:45:00,660 | 經過後面一段的社會的喧嘩 |
| 01:45:00,660 | 01:45:02,660 | 當時三讀通過 |
| 01:45:02,660 | 01:45:04,660 | 是刪除2075億 |
| 01:45:04,660 | 01:45:06,660 | 後來經過追加 |
| 01:45:06,660 | 01:45:08,660 | 最後刪除1341億 |
| 01:45:08,660 | 01:45:10,660 | 這1341億當中 |
| 01:45:10,660 | 01:45:12,660 | 如果扣除台電撥補的1000億 |
| 01:45:12,660 | 01:45:14,660 | 那最後刪除341億 |
| 01:45:14,660 | 01:45:16,660 | 這也是主計長剛剛所講的 |
| 01:45:16,660 | 01:45:18,660 | 大概是1.12% |
| 01:45:24,260 | 01:45:26,260 | 第二 |
| 01:45:25,930 | 01:45:27,930 | 再過幾天就是8月了 |
| 01:45:27,930 | 01:45:29,930 | 今年已經過了60% |
| 01:45:34,050 | 01:45:36,050 | 去年1341億 |
| 01:45:36,050 | 01:45:38,050 | 扣掉台電1000億是341億 |
| 01:45:38,050 | 01:45:40,050 | 如今民眾黨團卻要提出 |
| 01:45:40,050 | 01:45:42,050 | 刪除592億 |
| 01:45:44,390 | 01:45:46,390 | 去年1月審的預算 |
| 01:45:46,390 | 01:45:48,390 | 今年8月,快8月了還在審預算 |
| 01:45:49,220 | 01:45:51,220 | 要刪592億 |
| 01:45:51,220 | 01:45:53,220 | 照比例來講合理嗎 |
| 01:45:54,260 | 01:45:56,260 | 第三 |
| 01:45:57,350 | 01:45:59,350 | 今年已經過了60%了 |
| 01:46:00,520 | 01:46:02,520 | 民眾黨團體裡面 |
| 01:46:02,520 | 01:46:04,520 | 有5個案件 |
| 01:46:04,520 | 01:46:06,520 | 要通刪60% |
| 01:46:06,520 | 01:46:08,520 | 合理嗎 |
| 01:46:08,520 | 01:46:10,520 | 已經過了60% |
| 01:46:10,520 | 01:46:12,520 | 今年只剩40%的時間了 |
| 01:46:12,520 | 01:46:14,520 | 你們卻要刪除通刪60% |
| 01:46:14,520 | 01:46:16,520 | 選署不合理 |
| 01:46:14,650 | 01:46:16,650 | 第四 |
| 01:46:16,650 | 01:46:18,650 | 就執行面來講 |
| 01:46:18,650 | 01:46:20,650 | 以去年來說 |
| 01:46:20,650 | 01:46:22,650 | 大陸旅費執行了48% |
| 01:46:22,650 | 01:46:24,650 | 國外旅費執行了75.6% |
| 01:46:24,650 | 01:46:26,650 | 出國教育訓練執行了62.4% |
| 01:46:26,650 | 01:46:28,650 | 國內旅費執行了78.6% |
| 01:46:28,650 | 01:46:30,650 | 這些如果都通刪60% |
| 01:46:32,720 | 01:46:34,720 | 那麼行政部門沒有辦法執行 |
| 01:46:36,280 | 01:46:38,280 | 沒有辦法執行 |
| 01:46:38,280 | 01:46:42,280 | 尤其是我必須幫中央政府所有的公務員說一句公道話 |
| 01:46:42,280 | 01:46:44,280 | 國內旅費 |
| 01:46:44,280 | 01:46:46,280 | 它並不是在國內旅遊 |
| 01:46:46,280 | 01:46:48,280 | 是公務員到各地出差 |
| 01:46:48,280 | 01:46:50,280 | 他的出差費用 |
| 01:46:52,830 | 01:46:54,830 | 去年在立法院 |
| 01:46:54,830 | 01:46:56,830 | 韓院長最辛苦 |
| 01:46:56,830 | 01:46:58,830 | 折騰這麼久 |
| 01:46:58,830 | 01:47:00,830 | 刪了這麼多預算 |
| 01:47:00,830 | 01:47:02,830 | 最後國內旅費只刪了5.7% |
| 01:47:03,670 | 01:47:05,670 | 那這個時候 |
| 01:47:05,670 | 01:47:07,670 | 如果又要再刪這麼多 |
| 01:47:07,670 | 01:47:09,670 | 是不是大家現在協商白忙一場 |
| 01:47:09,670 | 01:47:11,670 | 剩下沒幾天 |
| 01:47:11,670 | 01:47:13,670 | 就要8月底行政院 |
| 01:47:13,670 | 01:47:15,670 | 116年度的預算 |
| 01:47:15,730 | 01:47:17,730 | 籌編會議都已經開過了 |
| 01:47:17,730 | 01:47:19,730 | 昨天周一來秘書長 |
| 01:47:19,730 | 01:47:21,730 | 也來參與行政院的籌編會議了 |
| 01:47:21,730 | 01:47:23,730 | 是不是還要再花時間再追加回來呢 |
| 01:47:25,450 | 01:47:27,450 | 有必要這樣子對待辛苦的公務員嗎 |
| 01:47:29,860 | 01:47:31,860 | 第五 去年 |
| 01:47:32,730 | 01:47:34,730 | 經過追加預算之後 |
| 01:47:34,730 | 01:47:36,730 | 尾半費一般是務費 |
| 01:47:36,760 | 01:47:38,760 | 從歷年的3%到5% |
| 01:47:38,760 | 01:47:40,760 | 去年最後追加回來 |
| 01:47:40,760 | 01:47:42,760 | 刪了6.8%到6.9% |
| 01:47:42,760 | 01:47:44,760 | 軍事設備費 |
| 01:47:44,760 | 01:47:46,760 | 去年也在社會的壓力之下 |
| 01:47:49,210 | 01:47:53,210 | 從本來刪3%到變成最後刪0.3% |
| 01:47:53,800 | 01:47:55,800 | 沒宣費 |
| 01:47:56,670 | 01:47:58,670 | 報告翁曉玲委員 |
| 01:47:59,270 | 01:48:03,270 | 媒體宣傳費還是需要透過專業來進行相關的宣傳 |
| 01:48:03,270 | 01:48:05,270 | 而且每一次的活動 |
| 01:48:05,270 | 01:48:07,270 | 相關的規劃 |
| 01:48:07,270 | 01:48:09,270 | 內容形態也都會不一樣 |
| 01:48:09,270 | 01:48:11,270 | 這一句話 |
| 01:48:11,270 | 01:48:13,270 | 是台北市議員林亮君 |
| 01:48:13,270 | 01:48:15,270 | 用您剛剛質詢的內容 |
| 01:48:15,270 | 01:48:17,270 | 去質詢蔣萬安市長 |
| 01:48:17,270 | 01:48:19,270 | 蔣萬安市長所講的 |
| 01:48:20,110 | 01:48:22,110 | 沒宣費 |
| 01:48:24,210 | 01:48:26,210 | 總共34個機關 |
| 01:48:26,210 | 01:48:28,210 | 單位 |
| 01:48:28,260 | 01:48:30,260 | 加總13.79億元 |
| 01:48:30,260 | 01:48:32,260 | 剛剛講幾十億 |
| 01:48:32,260 | 01:48:34,260 | 上百億 |
| 01:48:34,590 | 01:48:36,590 | 不是這個數字 |
| 01:48:36,720 | 01:48:38,720 | 34個機關單位 |
| 01:48:38,720 | 01:48:40,720 | 13.79億元 |
| 01:48:40,720 | 01:48:42,720 | 平均每一個機關 |
| 01:48:42,720 | 01:48:44,720 | 4000 |
| 01:48:45,050 | 01:48:47,050 | 57萬元 |
| 01:48:47,920 | 01:48:49,920 | 以我自己服務過的桃園市政府新聞處為例 |
| 01:48:53,460 | 01:48:55,460 | 今年新聞處 |
| 01:48:55,260 | 01:48:57,260 | 一個行銷科的預算 |
| 01:48:59,680 | 01:49:01,680 | 宣傳預算8774萬 |
| 01:49:03,360 | 01:49:05,360 | 是我剛剛講的一倍 |
| 01:49:07,160 | 01:49:09,160 | 地方政府可以 |
| 01:49:09,050 | 01:49:11,050 | 為什麼中央政府不可以 |
| 01:49:11,280 | 01:49:13,280 | 我都很支持也很贊成 |
| 01:49:13,280 | 01:49:15,280 | 錢要花在刀口上 |
| 01:49:15,280 | 01:49:17,280 | 但是拜託院長主持公道 |
| 01:49:17,280 | 01:49:19,280 | 各位委員 |
| 01:49:20,200 | 01:49:22,200 | 想想看現在的時間 |
| 01:49:22,200 | 01:49:24,200 | 今年已經過了60%了 |
| 01:49:25,250 | 01:49:27,250 | 難道還要再刪60%嗎 |
| 01:49:27,250 | 01:49:29,250 | 以上補充說明謝謝 |
| 01:49:29,790 | 01:49:31,790 | 好謝謝張秘書長的補充說明 |
| 01:49:31,790 | 01:49:33,790 | 我知道各位委員都要發言 |
| 01:49:33,790 | 01:49:35,790 | 但是第一輪黨團已經發言完畢了 |
| 01:49:35,790 | 01:49:37,790 | 行政部門 |
| 01:49:37,790 | 01:49:39,790 | 三個主要的機關 |
| 01:49:39,790 | 01:49:41,790 | 也做出了說明 |
| 01:49:42,160 | 01:49:44,160 | 現在很明顯沒辦法達成共識 |
| 01:49:45,110 | 01:49:47,110 | 非常明顯 |
| 01:49:46,290 | 01:49:48,290 | 再講 |
| 01:49:47,420 | 01:49:49,420 | 我知道我知道不要急 |
| 01:49:49,420 | 01:49:51,420 | 各位委員不要急 |
| 01:49:51,420 | 01:49:53,420 | 因為你講完 邱委員都要講 |
| 01:49:53,420 | 01:49:55,420 | 邱委員已經一直在舉手了 |
| 01:49:55,420 | 01:49:57,420 | 我還沒有點邱委員好不好 |
| 01:49:57,420 | 01:49:59,420 | 請把手放下來 |
| 01:49:57,430 | 01:49:59,430 | 我想第一點 |
| 01:49:59,250 | 01:50:01,250 | 我們沒有辦法達成共識 |
| 01:50:01,250 | 01:50:03,250 | 這第五案 |
| 01:50:02,810 | 01:50:04,810 | 要啦 |
| 01:50:04,810 | 01:50:06,810 | 後面還有一千多案 |
| 01:50:06,810 | 01:50:08,810 | 後面還有一千三百案 |
| 01:50:08,810 | 01:50:10,810 | 我們會回過頭來 |
| 01:50:10,810 | 01:50:12,810 | 我們一定會回過頭來 |
| 01:50:12,810 | 01:50:14,810 | 不用擔心 |
| 01:50:14,810 | 01:50:16,810 | 就像第四案一樣沒辦法達成共識 |
| 01:50:16,810 | 01:50:18,810 | 我們第二輪再來 |
| 01:50:18,810 | 01:50:20,810 | 可是我現在後面還有一千三百個案子 |
| 01:50:21,170 | 01:50:23,170 | 這個大家黨團幹不可以思考 |
| 01:50:23,170 | 01:50:25,170 | 而且這個下去以後 |
| 01:50:25,170 | 01:50:27,170 | 如果 |
| 01:50:28,620 | 01:50:30,620 | 我知道 |
| 01:50:30,620 | 01:50:32,620 | 報告院長最急的應該是行政院吧 |
| 01:50:32,620 | 01:50:34,620 | 他們這個預算被拖了三百多天 |
| 01:50:34,620 | 01:50:36,620 | 我先處置一個方式 |
| 01:50:36,620 | 01:50:38,620 | 我先宣告各黨團幹部來聽一下 |
| 01:50:38,690 | 01:50:40,690 | 如果各位認為不足的部分 |
| 01:50:40,690 | 01:50:42,690 | 會要補充你們再補充 |
| 01:50:44,660 | 01:50:46,660 | 台灣民眾黨團第五案 |
| 01:50:46,660 | 01:50:48,660 | 通案各黨團意見 |
| 01:50:48,660 | 01:50:50,660 | 沒辦法達成一致 |
| 01:50:50,660 | 01:50:52,660 | 請各黨團持續溝通 |
| 01:50:52,660 | 01:50:54,660 | 因為我們二輪要來 |
| 01:50:54,660 | 01:50:56,660 | 容我做以下宣告 |
| 01:50:56,660 | 01:50:58,660 | 為提升協商的效率 |
| 01:50:58,660 | 01:51:00,660 | 針對通案刪減的用途別項目 |
| 01:51:01,990 | 01:51:05,990 | 通三比例及總三減金額 |
| 01:51:05,990 | 01:51:07,990 | 我們先保留 |
| 01:51:08,580 | 01:51:10,580 | 讓各黨團針對通三本案 |
| 01:51:10,580 | 01:51:12,580 | 持續溝通 |
| 01:51:12,560 | 01:51:14,560 | 我們先進行後續 |
| 01:51:14,560 | 01:51:16,560 | 各委員會第一輪的協商 |
| 01:51:16,560 | 01:51:18,560 | 各委員會中的提案 |
| 01:51:18,560 | 01:51:20,560 | 涉及到通三項目者 |
| 01:51:20,560 | 01:51:22,560 | 我們就先 |
| 01:51:22,560 | 01:51:24,560 | 並通三來進行處理 |
| 01:51:26,230 | 01:51:28,230 | 以提升協商效率 |
| 01:51:28,230 | 01:51:30,230 | 這是第一個重點 |
| 01:51:30,230 | 01:51:32,230 | 第二個重點 |
| 01:51:32,230 | 01:51:34,230 | 各委員會第一輪之後 |
| 01:51:34,230 | 01:51:36,230 | 我們會召開第二輪 |
| 01:51:36,230 | 01:51:38,230 | 這個時候大家有什麼意見 |
| 01:51:38,230 | 01:51:40,230 | 我們再來研究 |
| 01:51:40,230 | 01:51:42,230 | 第三 我們現在要進行內政委員會 |
| 01:51:42,230 | 01:51:44,230 | 尤其是海洋委員會 |
| 01:51:44,230 | 01:51:46,230 | 他在高雄 |
| 01:51:46,230 | 01:51:48,230 | 他急著要趕回高雄 |
| 01:51:48,230 | 01:51:50,230 | 我們第一個要審海洋委員會 |
| 01:51:50,230 | 01:51:52,230 | 那我們現在開始進入內政委員會 |
| 01:51:56,250 | 01:51:58,250 | 那內政委員會因為 |
| 01:51:58,250 | 01:52:00,250 | 第一點在高雄 |
| 01:52:00,250 | 01:52:02,250 | 院長第一輪讓我發言一下 |
| 01:52:02,250 | 01:52:04,250 | 可以嗎 |
| 01:52:04,250 | 01:52:06,250 | 不要急你們後續有什麼意見 |
| 01:52:06,250 | 01:52:08,250 | 第二輪我們再來好不好 |
| 01:52:08,250 | 01:52:10,250 | 謝謝主席總處 |
| 01:52:10,250 | 01:52:12,250 | 謝謝行政院監察委員會 |
| 01:52:12,250 | 01:52:14,250 | 主席有一個權宜問題 |
| 01:52:14,250 | 01:52:16,250 | 因為剛剛副總召污衊說 |
| 01:52:16,250 | 01:52:18,250 | 我講的教育部的預算 |
| 01:52:18,250 | 01:52:20,250 | 不在無人機裡面 |
| 01:52:20,250 | 01:52:22,250 | 可不可以請經濟部長回應一下 |
| 01:52:22,250 | 01:52:24,250 | 我們現在進入內政 |
| 01:52:24,250 | 01:52:26,250 | 可以簡單回應一下嗎 |
| 01:52:26,250 | 01:52:28,250 | 國務長謝謝請離席 |
| 01:52:28,250 | 01:52:30,250 | 因為我剛剛私下請問他 |
| 01:52:30,250 | 01:52:32,250 | 就是在這裡面還有花蓮的 |
| 01:52:32,250 | 01:52:34,250 | 馬太安的無人機 |
| 01:52:34,250 | 01:52:36,250 | 也被你們各部會都刪減 |
| 01:52:36,250 | 01:52:38,250 | 在這邊正告大家 |
| 01:52:38,250 | 01:52:40,250 | 不要隨便說什麼 |
| 01:52:40,250 | 01:52:42,250 | 我們進入海委會 |
| 01:52:41,810 | 01:52:43,810 | 呼叫羅廷瑋 |
| 01:52:43,810 | 01:52:45,810 | 呼叫羅廷瑋來 |
| 01:52:45,810 | 01:52:47,810 | 呼叫羅廷瑋 |
| 01:52:47,810 | 01:52:49,810 | 我們現在練習的是移民署 |
| 01:52:49,810 | 01:52:51,810 | 對不起 |
| 01:52:52,090 | 01:52:54,090 | 我們對齊海洋委員會 |
| 01:52:54,090 | 01:52:56,090 | 國安主任委員 |
| 01:52:56,090 | 01:52:58,090 | 謝謝院長 |
| 01:52:58,090 | 01:53:00,090 | 愛旭族的張副主任委員 |
| 01:53:00,630 | 01:53:02,630 | 是 |
| 01:53:02,060 | 01:53:04,060 | 保育署的陸署長 |
| 01:53:05,180 | 01:53:07,180 | 陸署長好謝謝 |
| 01:53:07,860 | 01:53:09,860 | 謝謝 |
| 01:53:12,490 | 01:53:14,490 | 好 |
| 01:53:18,630 | 01:53:20,630 | 謝謝 |
| 01:53:21,420 | 01:53:23,420 | 謝謝 |
| 01:53:39,200 | 01:53:41,200 | 謝謝 |
| 01:54:09,200 | 01:54:11,200 | 我們現在就先說題 |
| 01:54:12,970 | 01:54:14,970 | 信委會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:54:14,970 | 01:54:16,970 | 請問國民黨團體有沒有意見 |
| 01:54:17,630 | 01:54:19,630 | 沒有意見 |
| 01:54:19,630 | 01:54:21,630 | 許甄委員在現場 |
| 01:54:21,630 | 01:54:23,630 | 我們就病委會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:54:23,630 | 01:54:25,630 | 我們進入342案 |
| 01:54:25,630 | 01:54:27,630 | 許甄委員所提 |
| 01:54:28,410 | 01:54:30,410 | 業務費2億9千3百94萬6千元 |
| 01:54:30,410 | 01:54:32,410 | 我們病委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:54:35,870 | 01:54:37,870 | 許甄委員在現場 |
| 01:54:37,870 | 01:54:39,870 | 342案 |
| 01:54:40,530 | 01:54:42,530 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 01:54:42,530 | 01:54:44,530 | 這一案就是海委會那邊已經有來溝通過了 |
| 01:54:44,530 | 01:54:46,530 | 所以就是病委員會的動結束 |
| 01:54:46,530 | 01:54:48,530 | 好謝謝許甄委員的發言 |
| 01:54:48,530 | 01:54:50,530 | 我們進入一般行政第一幕 |
| 01:54:50,530 | 01:54:52,530 | 343案 |
| 01:54:52,530 | 01:54:54,530 | 政天才委員所提 |
| 01:54:57,380 | 01:54:59,380 | 請 |
| 01:54:58,600 | 01:55:00,600 | 2億9千9百6千3千元 |
| 01:55:00,600 | 01:55:02,600 | 病委員會決議 |
| 01:55:02,600 | 01:55:04,600 | 辦理文字修正 |
| 01:55:04,600 | 01:55:06,600 | 政天才委員所提不在現場 |
| 01:55:06,600 | 01:55:08,600 | 國民黨團體沒有意見 |
| 01:55:08,600 | 01:55:10,600 | 我們病委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:55:10,600 | 01:55:12,600 | 進入344案 |
| 01:55:15,370 | 01:55:17,370 | 國民黨政天才委員所提 |
| 01:55:17,370 | 01:55:19,370 | 刪減 |
| 01:55:20,650 | 01:55:22,650 | 改組決議 |
| 01:55:22,650 | 01:55:24,650 | 我們改組決議 |
| 01:55:24,650 | 01:55:26,650 | 345案 |
| 01:55:26,650 | 01:55:28,650 | 政天才委員所提 |
| 01:55:28,650 | 01:55:30,650 | 病委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:55:30,650 | 01:55:32,650 | 國民黨團體沒有意見 |
| 01:55:32,650 | 01:55:34,650 | 好我們進入346案 |
| 01:55:34,650 | 01:55:36,650 | 海洋業務 |
| 01:55:38,120 | 01:55:40,120 | 跟院長還有跟各位委員報告 |
| 01:55:40,120 | 01:55:42,120 | 這個案 |
| 01:55:42,120 | 01:55:44,120 | 台灣民眾黨團陳昭之委員提案 |
| 01:55:44,120 | 01:55:46,120 | 請台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 |
| 01:55:49,430 | 01:55:51,430 | 好這個案子 |
| 01:55:51,430 | 01:55:53,430 | 由我們台灣民眾黨團 |
| 01:55:53,430 | 01:55:55,430 | 來提案 |
| 01:55:55,430 | 01:55:57,430 | 那就是凍結 |
| 01:55:57,430 | 01:55:59,430 | 500萬 |
| 01:55:59,430 | 01:56:01,430 | 就凍結500萬 |
| 01:56:01,430 | 01:56:03,430 | 那請我們海洋委員會 |
| 01:56:03,430 | 01:56:05,430 | 能夠 |
| 01:56:05,430 | 01:56:07,430 | 比照我們國防部 |
| 01:56:07,430 | 01:56:09,430 | 針對我們的 |
| 01:56:09,430 | 01:56:11,430 | 同仁這個專業的 |
| 01:56:11,430 | 01:56:13,430 | 一個加級 |
| 01:56:13,430 | 01:56:15,430 | 能夠來提升 |
| 01:56:15,430 | 01:56:17,430 | 這是一個對我們 |
| 01:56:17,430 | 01:56:19,430 | 海洋委員會的一個 |
| 01:56:19,430 | 01:56:21,430 | 同仁的一個關心 |
| 01:56:21,430 | 01:56:23,430 | 跟照顧 |
| 01:56:23,430 | 01:56:25,430 | 那這一個 |
| 01:56:25,430 | 01:56:27,430 | 占航管加級的一個待遇 |
| 01:56:27,430 | 01:56:29,430 | 我想這個應該大家會 |
| 01:56:29,430 | 01:56:31,430 | 支持 |
| 01:56:31,430 | 01:56:33,430 | 那與凍結最主要我們是要 |
| 01:56:33,430 | 01:56:35,430 | 督促我們海洋委員會 |
| 01:56:35,430 | 01:56:37,430 | 能夠來 |
| 01:56:37,430 | 01:56:39,430 | 執行能夠來立行 |
| 01:56:39,430 | 01:56:41,430 | 那也是 |
| 01:56:41,430 | 01:56:43,430 | 經過凍結之後經過 |
| 01:56:43,430 | 01:56:45,430 | 專案報告 |
| 01:56:45,430 | 01:56:47,430 | 那請國防部內政委會同意 |
| 01:56:47,430 | 01:56:49,430 | 可以凍結 |
| 01:56:49,430 | 01:56:51,430 | 請管制委表達意見 |
| 01:56:51,430 | 01:56:53,430 | 跟委員們報告 |
| 01:56:53,430 | 01:56:55,430 | 謝謝院長這個案 |
| 01:56:55,430 | 01:56:57,430 | 經過我們張署長 |
| 01:56:57,430 | 01:56:59,430 | 有親自跟提案的陳昭之委員 |
| 01:56:59,430 | 01:57:01,430 | 報告了以後陳昭之委員 |
| 01:57:01,430 | 01:57:03,430 | 他充分的了解 |
| 01:57:03,430 | 01:57:05,430 | 那我們也很感謝委員們非常的 |
| 01:57:05,430 | 01:57:07,430 | 關心海巡同仁的加級 |
| 01:57:07,430 | 01:57:09,430 | 我們會全力的來爭取 |
| 01:57:09,430 | 01:57:11,430 | 那院長也相當的支持 |
| 01:57:11,430 | 01:57:13,430 | 可能最近就會有一個 |
| 01:57:13,430 | 01:57:15,430 | 最後的合併 |
| 01:57:15,430 | 01:57:17,430 | 所以陳委員他最後是同意說 |
| 01:57:17,430 | 01:57:19,430 | 我們還是併委員會 |
| 01:57:19,430 | 01:57:21,430 | 的決議 |
| 01:57:21,430 | 01:57:23,430 | 合併凍結 |
| 01:57:23,430 | 01:57:25,430 | 是 |
| 01:57:25,430 | 01:57:27,430 | 那這個案有送到 |
| 01:57:27,430 | 01:57:29,430 | 那個貴黨團 |
| 01:57:29,430 | 01:57:31,430 | 剛剛有跟總召報告 |
| 01:57:31,430 | 01:57:33,430 | 就是連續兩個案是 |
| 01:57:33,430 | 01:57:35,430 | 最後陳昭之委員是有同意說 |
| 01:57:35,430 | 01:57:37,430 | 併委員會決議辦理 |
| 01:57:37,430 | 01:57:39,430 | 是 |
| 01:57:39,430 | 01:57:41,430 | 李博義委員請發言 |
| 01:57:39,790 | 01:57:41,790 | 好謝謝我擔任內政委員會 |
| 01:57:41,790 | 01:57:43,790 | 召委審議海洋委員會的預算 |
| 01:57:43,790 | 01:57:45,790 | 在4月29號的時候 |
| 01:57:45,790 | 01:57:47,790 | 大部分的這些提案剛剛海院長 |
| 01:57:47,790 | 01:57:49,790 | 念過去的這幾個 |
| 01:57:49,790 | 01:57:51,790 | 提案其實在委員會充分的 |
| 01:57:51,790 | 01:57:53,790 | 討論之後大部分都可以說服 |
| 01:57:53,790 | 01:57:55,790 | 委員那現在民眾黨委員 |
| 01:57:55,790 | 01:57:57,790 | 這個陳昭之委員這個提案其實 |
| 01:57:57,790 | 01:57:59,790 | 是二輪送案之後 |
| 01:57:59,790 | 01:58:01,790 | 提進來的然後我想要說明的是 |
| 01:58:01,790 | 01:58:03,790 | 其實海委會大部分 |
| 01:58:03,790 | 01:58:05,790 | 可以說服其他所有內政委員 |
| 01:58:05,790 | 01:58:07,790 | 會的委員的原因 |
| 01:58:07,790 | 01:58:09,790 | 第一個它也是國防 |
| 01:58:09,790 | 01:58:11,790 | 第二個它我們在整個 |
| 01:58:11,790 | 01:58:13,790 | 內政委員會審議的過程裡面 |
| 01:58:13,790 | 01:58:15,790 | 做了相當多的溝通 |
| 01:58:15,790 | 01:58:17,790 | 那所以在 |
| 01:58:17,790 | 01:58:19,790 | 整個審議的過程裡面 |
| 01:58:19,790 | 01:58:21,790 | 其實海洋委員會是很順利的 |
| 01:58:21,790 | 01:58:23,790 | 可以通過我們高度的公示 |
| 01:58:23,790 | 01:58:25,790 | 那以上跟這個 |
| 01:58:25,790 | 01:58:27,790 | 院會協商來說明一下 |
| 01:58:27,790 | 01:58:29,790 | 是不是可以儘速讓海洋委員會 |
| 01:58:29,790 | 01:58:31,790 | 相關的議案可以通過 |
| 01:58:31,790 | 01:58:33,790 | 好謝謝李博義委員補充發言 |
| 01:58:33,790 | 01:58:35,790 | 陳總召還要補充嗎 |
| 01:58:36,490 | 01:58:38,490 | 管主委具體所提出您同意嗎 |
| 01:58:38,490 | 01:58:40,490 | 包括 |
| 01:58:40,490 | 01:58:42,490 | 包括這個346案 |
| 01:58:42,490 | 01:58:44,490 | 剛剛管主委也有 |
| 01:58:44,490 | 01:58:46,490 | 其實就是 |
| 01:58:46,490 | 01:58:48,490 | 我們為了要我們讓 |
| 01:58:48,490 | 01:58:50,490 | 海洋委員會的同仁 |
| 01:58:50,490 | 01:58:52,490 | 的一個家庭一個溝通 |
| 01:58:54,110 | 01:58:56,110 | 陳總召委員有溝通 |
| 01:58:56,110 | 01:58:58,110 | 那我們黨團剛剛 |
| 01:58:58,110 | 01:59:00,110 | 我們也做一個溝通了解 |
| 01:59:00,110 | 01:59:02,110 | 那這個我們就可以 |
| 01:59:02,110 | 01:59:04,110 | 同意併委員會 |
| 01:59:04,110 | 01:59:06,110 | 好 併委員會 好不好 |
| 01:59:06,110 | 01:59:08,110 | 終結一事就併委員會 |
| 01:59:08,470 | 01:59:10,470 | OK 好 我們同意 |
| 01:59:12,430 | 01:59:14,430 | 我們346案 |
| 01:59:14,430 | 01:59:16,430 | 347案 |
| 01:59:16,430 | 01:59:18,430 | 經過協調達成共識 |
| 01:59:18,430 | 01:59:20,430 | 我們併委員會審查動結束 |
| 01:59:21,830 | 01:59:23,830 | 好 謝謝 |
| 01:59:25,020 | 01:59:27,020 | 348 |
| 01:59:27,020 | 01:59:29,020 | 國民黨團黃仁所提 |
| 01:59:29,020 | 01:59:31,020 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:59:31,020 | 01:59:33,020 | 國民黨團要不要補充意見 |
| 01:59:33,020 | 01:59:35,020 | 好 進入349 |
| 01:59:35,020 | 01:59:37,020 | 賴世保委員所提改 |
| 01:59:37,020 | 01:59:39,020 | 減列50萬元 |
| 01:59:39,020 | 01:59:41,020 | 那個管主委請表達意見 |
| 01:59:41,020 | 01:59:43,020 | 是 這個事情 |
| 01:59:43,020 | 01:59:45,020 | 我們經過溝通以後 |
| 01:59:45,020 | 01:59:47,020 | 我們可以接手 那也得到了 |
| 01:59:47,020 | 01:59:49,020 | 委員的簽字同意 |
| 01:59:49,020 | 01:59:51,020 | 我們就減列50萬元 |
| 01:59:51,020 | 01:59:53,020 | 349萬 350 |
| 01:59:53,020 | 01:59:55,020 | 353 黃仁委員所提 |
| 01:59:55,020 | 01:59:57,020 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 01:59:57,340 | 01:59:59,340 | 各位委員沒意見 |
| 01:59:59,340 | 02:00:01,340 | 好 謝謝 我們進入351案 |
| 02:00:01,340 | 02:00:03,340 | 賴世保委員所提改減列50萬元 |
| 02:00:03,340 | 02:00:05,340 | 海洋業務 |
| 02:00:05,340 | 02:00:07,340 | 海域安全 管主委請表達意見 |
| 02:00:07,340 | 02:00:09,340 | 是 謝謝 |
| 02:00:09,340 | 02:00:11,340 | 這個案子也跟委員達成了共識以後 |
| 02:00:11,340 | 02:00:13,340 | 委員有簽字同意 |
| 02:00:13,340 | 02:00:15,340 | 好 我們減列50萬元 |
| 02:00:15,340 | 02:00:17,340 | 351案 |
| 02:00:17,340 | 02:00:19,340 | 352案 黃仁委員所提 |
| 02:00:19,340 | 02:00:21,340 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 02:00:21,340 | 02:00:23,340 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:00:23,340 | 02:00:25,340 | 沒意見 好 我們進入353案 |
| 02:00:26,750 | 02:00:28,750 | 文字有修正通過 |
| 02:00:28,750 | 02:00:30,750 | 徐新宜委員所提 |
| 02:00:30,750 | 02:00:32,750 | 我們現在進入海洋委員會海巡署所屬 |
| 02:00:32,750 | 02:00:34,750 | 稅出部分 |
| 02:00:34,750 | 02:00:36,750 | 第二項海巡署所屬 |
| 02:00:36,750 | 02:00:38,750 | 第一幕一般行政 354案 |
| 02:00:38,750 | 02:00:40,750 | 鄭天才委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:00:40,750 | 02:00:42,750 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:00:42,750 | 02:00:44,750 | 沒意見 改組決議 |
| 02:00:44,750 | 02:00:46,750 | 第二幕海巡業務355案 |
| 02:00:49,630 | 02:00:51,630 | 黃仁委員所提 |
| 02:00:51,630 | 02:00:53,630 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 02:00:53,630 | 02:00:55,630 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:00:55,630 | 02:00:57,630 | 沒意見 356案 賴思寶委員所提 |
| 02:00:57,630 | 02:00:59,630 | 減列50萬元 |
| 02:00:59,630 | 02:01:01,630 | 海巡規劃及情報整理費用 |
| 02:01:01,630 | 02:01:03,630 | 請管主委表達意見 |
| 02:01:03,630 | 02:01:05,630 | 謝謝院長 |
| 02:01:05,630 | 02:01:07,630 | 各位委員 這個案子 |
| 02:01:07,630 | 02:01:09,630 | 有跟委員達成共識以後 |
| 02:01:09,630 | 02:01:11,630 | 減列50萬元 我們可以同意 |
| 02:01:11,630 | 02:01:13,630 | 好 謝謝 356案 |
| 02:01:13,630 | 02:01:15,630 | 減列50萬元 |
| 02:01:15,630 | 02:01:17,630 | 357案 |
| 02:01:17,630 | 02:01:19,630 | 海巡法委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:01:19,630 | 02:01:21,630 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:01:21,630 | 02:01:23,630 | 沒意見 好 進入358案 |
| 02:01:23,630 | 02:01:25,630 | 黃仁委員所提 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 02:01:25,630 | 02:01:27,630 | 有意見嗎 |
| 02:01:27,630 | 02:01:29,630 | 沒意見 好 我們進入359案 |
| 02:01:29,630 | 02:01:31,630 | 台灣民眾黨團所提 |
| 02:01:31,630 | 02:01:33,630 | 測案 |
| 02:01:33,630 | 02:01:35,630 | 359案測案 |
| 02:01:35,630 | 02:01:37,630 | 我們現在進入海洋委員會 |
| 02:01:37,630 | 02:01:39,630 | 海洋保育署 |
| 02:01:39,630 | 02:01:41,630 | 稅出部分第三項 |
| 02:01:41,630 | 02:01:43,630 | 海洋保育署第二幕 |
| 02:01:43,630 | 02:01:45,630 | 海洋保育業務360案 |
| 02:01:45,630 | 02:01:47,630 | 賴世保委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:01:47,630 | 02:01:49,630 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:01:49,630 | 02:01:51,630 | 沒意見 改組決議 |
| 02:01:51,630 | 02:01:53,630 | 361案 |
| 02:01:53,630 | 02:01:55,630 | 林茜琪委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:01:55,630 | 02:01:57,630 | 有意見嗎 沒意見 改組決議 |
| 02:01:58,600 | 02:02:00,600 | 362案黃仁委員所提委員會 |
| 02:02:00,600 | 02:02:02,600 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 02:02:02,600 | 02:02:04,600 | 國民黨團有意見嗎 |
| 02:02:04,600 | 02:02:06,600 | 沒意見 |
| 02:02:06,890 | 02:02:08,890 | 363案黃仁委員所提 |
| 02:02:08,890 | 02:02:10,890 | 併委員會決議辦理文字修正 |
| 02:02:10,890 | 02:02:12,890 | 有意見嗎 沒意見 |
| 02:02:12,830 | 02:02:14,830 | 文字修正 |
| 02:02:14,830 | 02:02:16,830 | 364案賴世保委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:02:16,830 | 02:02:18,830 | 有意見嗎 沒意見 改組決議 |
| 02:02:18,830 | 02:02:20,830 | 365案賴世保委員所提改 |
| 02:02:20,830 | 02:02:22,830 | 減列150萬元 |
| 02:02:22,830 | 02:02:24,830 | 海洋污染防治清潔費 |
| 02:02:24,830 | 02:02:26,830 | 請管主委表達意見 |
| 02:02:26,830 | 02:02:28,830 | 謝謝院長 各位委員 |
| 02:02:28,830 | 02:02:30,830 | 就是說雖然真的是很忍痛 |
| 02:02:30,830 | 02:02:32,830 | 但是因為有跟委員 |
| 02:02:32,830 | 02:02:34,830 | 溝通了很久 最後跟委員 |
| 02:02:34,830 | 02:02:36,830 | 達成了這一個共識 所以 |
| 02:02:36,830 | 02:02:38,830 | 我們同意接受 謝謝 |
| 02:02:38,830 | 02:02:40,830 | 謝謝管主委忍痛接受 |
| 02:02:40,830 | 02:02:42,830 | 我們進入366案 |
| 02:02:42,830 | 02:02:44,830 | 徐信義委員所提 |
| 02:02:44,830 | 02:02:46,830 | 組決議文字修正 |
| 02:02:46,830 | 02:02:48,830 | 通過 我們進入 |
| 02:02:48,830 | 02:02:50,830 | 367案徐信義委員所提 |
| 02:02:50,830 | 02:02:52,830 | 組決議文字修正 |
| 02:02:52,830 | 02:02:54,830 | 好 大家這邊有意見 |
| 02:02:54,830 | 02:02:56,830 | 謝謝 謝謝 |
| 02:02:56,830 | 02:02:58,830 | 謝謝院長 謝謝各位 |
| 02:02:58,830 | 02:03:00,830 | 謝謝各位海洋委員會所列席官員 |
| 02:03:12,510 | 02:03:14,510 | 好 謝謝 我們進入行政院 |
| 02:03:14,510 | 02:03:16,510 | 院本部 |
| 02:03:28,710 | 02:03:30,710 | 謝謝張秘書長列席 |
| 02:03:30,710 | 02:03:32,710 | 我們進入行政院院本部 |
| 02:03:36,240 | 02:03:38,240 | 好 第 |
| 02:03:38,330 | 02:03:40,330 | 行政院稅出部分第二款 |
| 02:03:40,330 | 02:03:42,330 | 行政院主管第一項行政院 |
| 02:03:43,880 | 02:03:45,880 | 16億4715萬6千元 |
| 02:03:45,880 | 02:03:47,880 | 我們進入案號一 |
| 02:03:47,880 | 02:03:49,880 | 行政院 |
| 02:03:50,110 | 02:03:52,110 | 高金樹梅委員所提 |
| 02:03:52,110 | 02:03:54,110 | 簡列1000萬元 |
| 02:03:54,110 | 02:03:56,110 | 凍結1000萬元 |
| 02:03:58,230 | 02:04:00,230 | 第二案 |
| 02:04:00,230 | 02:04:02,230 | 高金樹梅所提凍結500萬元 |
| 02:04:03,880 | 02:04:05,880 | 請張秘書長表達意見 好嗎 |
| 02:04:05,880 | 02:04:07,880 | 謝謝 |
| 02:04:07,510 | 02:04:09,510 | 好 謝謝院長 我兩案簡短說明 |
| 02:04:09,510 | 02:04:11,510 | 第一案也趁著這個機會 |
| 02:04:11,510 | 02:04:13,510 | 跟國人報告 115年底 |
| 02:04:13,510 | 02:04:15,510 | 基金餘額還有98.5億 |
| 02:04:15,510 | 02:04:17,510 | 那淨值還有32.7億 |
| 02:04:17,510 | 02:04:19,510 | 可用現金8.4億元 |
| 02:04:19,510 | 02:04:21,510 | 原民發展基金的現金流 |
| 02:04:21,510 | 02:04:23,510 | 跟存量都沒有問題 |
| 02:04:23,510 | 02:04:25,510 | 那明年度 因為中央政府總運聲 |
| 02:04:25,510 | 02:04:27,510 | 正在籌編當中 明年度的 |
| 02:04:27,510 | 02:04:29,510 | 這個撥補的金額會比今年還要多 |
| 02:04:29,510 | 02:04:31,510 | 那我們持續跟高金委員再進行溝通 |
| 02:04:31,510 | 02:04:33,510 | 那第二案的部分 |
| 02:04:33,510 | 02:04:35,510 | 也跟院長跟這個大院 |
| 02:04:35,510 | 02:04:37,510 | 報告 這個原民會 |
| 02:04:37,510 | 02:04:39,510 | 已經這個初步修正了 |
| 02:04:39,510 | 02:04:41,510 | 諮商取得原住民族部落 |
| 02:04:41,510 | 02:04:43,510 | 同意參與辦法 |
| 02:04:43,510 | 02:04:45,510 | 那預計三個月內完成相關的法制作業 |
| 02:04:45,510 | 02:04:47,510 | 但我們也會持續跟高金委員再溝通 |
| 02:04:47,510 | 02:04:49,510 | 那是不是可以請院長 |
| 02:04:49,510 | 02:04:51,510 | 或者是各黨團的代表同意 |
| 02:04:51,510 | 02:04:53,510 | 這個我們先保留 |
| 02:04:53,510 | 02:04:55,510 | 再來進行溝通 |
| 02:04:55,510 | 02:04:57,510 | 好的 我們保留第一案 |
| 02:04:57,510 | 02:04:59,510 | 第三案 媒體政策 |
| 02:04:59,510 | 02:05:01,510 | 及業務宣導費 |
| 02:05:01,510 | 02:05:03,510 | 1678萬 |
| 02:05:04,430 | 02:05:06,430 | 3 4 5 6 |
| 02:05:06,430 | 02:05:08,430 | 我們就進入通案 |
| 02:05:08,430 | 02:05:10,430 | 好 我們現在進入 |
| 02:05:11,670 | 02:05:13,670 | 我們現在進入第七案 |
| 02:05:13,670 | 02:05:15,670 | 首長特別費 |
| 02:05:15,670 | 02:05:17,670 | 我們現在進入通案 |
| 02:05:17,670 | 02:05:19,670 | 不好意思 |
| 02:05:19,670 | 02:05:21,670 | 不好意思 院長 |
| 02:05:21,670 | 02:05:23,670 | 我剛剛的第三案我沒有要 |
| 02:05:23,670 | 02:05:25,670 | 那個通案喔 我是要維持全刪喔 |
| 02:05:25,670 | 02:05:27,670 | 不是 |
| 02:05:27,670 | 02:05:29,670 | 我們現在已經先保留在通案裡面 |
| 02:05:29,670 | 02:05:31,670 | 我們現在已經先保留在通案裡面 |
| 02:05:31,670 | 02:05:33,670 | 我們現在已經先保留在通案裡面 |
| 02:05:33,670 | 02:05:35,670 | 二輪都在刪 |
| 02:05:35,670 | 02:05:37,670 | 還是在 |
| 02:05:37,670 | 02:05:39,670 | 還是在案子還在 |
| 02:05:39,670 | 02:05:41,670 | 一切 |
| 02:05:43,670 | 02:05:45,670 | 主要是我沒有要通案 |
| 02:05:45,670 | 02:05:47,670 | 通案 |
| 02:05:55,670 | 02:05:57,670 | 我沒有要併那個通案 |
| 02:05:59,850 | 02:06:01,850 | 我第三 因為我是全刪 |
| 02:06:06,310 | 02:06:08,310 | 那個我們第七案的業務費 |
| 02:06:08,310 | 02:06:10,310 | 365959萬3千元 |
| 02:06:10,310 | 02:06:12,310 | 國民黨團體 |
| 02:06:12,310 | 02:06:14,310 | 全數解列9月至12月的 |
| 02:06:14,310 | 02:06:16,310 | 業務費 |
| 02:06:16,310 | 02:06:18,310 | 以及院長特別費 |
| 02:06:18,310 | 02:06:20,310 | 院長特別費我們就列入通案了 |
| 02:06:20,310 | 02:06:22,310 | 現在正義業務費我們要喔 |
| 02:06:22,310 | 02:06:24,310 | 業務費要討論 請張秘書長請發言 |
| 02:06:26,900 | 02:06:28,900 | 謝謝院長喔 |
| 02:06:28,900 | 02:06:30,900 | 也請韓院長將心比心喔 |
| 02:06:30,900 | 02:06:32,900 | 我相信立法院也不會希望下半年的 |
| 02:06:32,900 | 02:06:34,900 | 業務費全數被刪除 |
| 02:06:34,900 | 02:06:36,900 | 那我這邊說明一下也跟各位委員報告 |
| 02:06:36,900 | 02:06:38,900 | 今年行政院的預算 |
| 02:06:38,900 | 02:06:40,900 | 總共16.4億元 |
| 02:06:42,390 | 02:06:44,390 | 扣除11.4億元的人事費 |
| 02:06:46,230 | 02:06:48,230 | 353萬元的獎補助費 |
| 02:06:48,230 | 02:06:50,230 | 設備投資1.3億 |
| 02:06:50,230 | 02:06:52,230 | 第一預備金380萬 |
| 02:06:52,230 | 02:06:54,230 | 等 實際上的 |
| 02:06:54,230 | 02:06:56,230 | 業務費只有3.6億 |
| 02:06:56,230 | 02:06:58,230 | 實際上的業務費只有3.6億 |
| 02:06:58,230 | 02:07:00,230 | 那依據 |
| 02:07:00,230 | 02:07:02,230 | 這一次對行政院院本部的 |
| 02:07:02,230 | 02:07:04,230 | 各項刪除加凍結的提案 |
| 02:07:04,230 | 02:07:06,230 | 全部把它加總 |
| 02:07:08,070 | 02:07:10,070 | 已經3減的金額 |
| 02:07:10,070 | 02:07:12,070 | 達到4.3億了 |
| 02:07:13,350 | 02:07:15,350 | 3減的金額達到4.3億了 |
| 02:07:17,170 | 02:07:19,170 | 這個不是只有刪除9到12月的業務費喔 |
| 02:07:19,170 | 02:07:21,170 | 行同是把行政院整年的 |
| 02:07:21,170 | 02:07:23,170 | 業務費都刪除了 |
| 02:07:23,170 | 02:07:25,170 | 這個選署不合理 |
| 02:07:25,980 | 02:07:27,980 | 那除了刪除4.3億之外 |
| 02:07:27,980 | 02:07:29,980 | 凍結了 |
| 02:07:30,060 | 02:07:32,060 | 3.3億 |
| 02:07:31,970 | 02:07:33,970 | 刪除加凍結達到7.6億 |
| 02:07:33,970 | 02:07:35,970 | 已經遠超過 |
| 02:07:35,970 | 02:07:37,970 | 行政院 |
| 02:07:38,580 | 02:07:40,580 | 人事費以外所有的預算 |
| 02:07:43,100 | 02:07:45,100 | 去年行政院還有施政計畫 |
| 02:07:46,900 | 02:07:48,900 | 新聞傳播兩項計畫 |
| 02:07:48,900 | 02:07:50,900 | 全數遭到刪除 |
| 02:07:52,590 | 02:07:54,590 | 那行政院今年做了一些回編 |
| 02:07:56,110 | 02:07:58,110 | 的動作 |
| 02:07:58,040 | 02:08:00,040 | 那依照預算法 |
| 02:08:00,040 | 02:08:02,040 | 因為預算到目前為止還沒刪除 |
| 02:08:02,040 | 02:08:04,040 | 所以行政院剛剛講到 |
| 02:08:04,040 | 02:08:06,040 | 3.6億的業務費當中 |
| 02:08:06,040 | 02:08:08,040 | 依法能夠動資的 |
| 02:08:08,040 | 02:08:10,040 | 總共是2.2億 |
| 02:08:10,040 | 02:08:12,040 | 因為被刪除了兩個計畫 |
| 02:08:12,040 | 02:08:14,040 | 今年雖然有回編但都還不能動 |
| 02:08:14,040 | 02:08:16,040 | 所以今年能夠依法動資的是 |
| 02:08:16,040 | 02:08:18,040 | 2.2億那今年也過一半了 |
| 02:08:19,500 | 02:08:21,500 | 所以 |
| 02:08:21,020 | 02:08:23,020 | 也花了超過1億了 |
| 02:08:23,010 | 02:08:25,010 | 路過 |
| 02:08:24,460 | 02:08:26,460 | 按照今天這樣子的提案 |
| 02:08:27,000 | 02:08:29,000 | 刪除了4.2億 |
| 02:08:29,000 | 02:08:31,000 | 那請問 |
| 02:08:30,670 | 02:08:32,670 | 已經花了1億多 |
| 02:08:32,610 | 02:08:34,610 | 誰可以負責 |
| 02:08:34,200 | 02:08:36,200 | 這已經是付出去的錢 |
| 02:08:36,200 | 02:08:38,200 | 誰可以負責 |
| 02:08:38,200 | 02:08:40,200 | 我想我們都沒有辦法負責 |
| 02:08:40,200 | 02:08:42,200 | 是1億多 |
| 02:08:42,200 | 02:08:44,200 | 所以請這個委員們能夠三思 |
| 02:08:44,210 | 02:08:46,210 | 行政院依法執行預算 |
| 02:08:47,430 | 02:08:49,430 | 如果沒有花才是帶多 |
| 02:08:50,010 | 02:08:52,010 | 但已經花的 |
| 02:08:51,800 | 02:08:53,800 | 又怎麼追的回來呢 |
| 02:08:54,770 | 02:08:56,770 | 那謝謝大家 |
| 02:08:55,990 | 02:08:57,990 | 我可能要跟委員報告 |
| 02:08:57,990 | 02:08:59,990 | 業務費是什麼 |
| 02:08:59,060 | 02:09:01,060 | 業務費包括了 |
| 02:09:00,760 | 02:09:02,760 | 水電費啊 |
| 02:09:03,530 | 02:09:05,530 | 員工的健檢 |
| 02:09:05,530 | 02:09:07,530 | 心理諮商EAP |
| 02:09:07,850 | 02:09:09,850 | 下個月 |
| 02:09:09,420 | 02:09:11,420 | 新的會期又要開始了 |
| 02:09:12,050 | 02:09:14,050 | 院長到立法院進行施政報告 |
| 02:09:14,050 | 02:09:16,050 | 的報告影印難道也不用錢嗎 |
| 02:09:18,090 | 02:09:20,090 | 人民依照憲法有訴願的權利 |
| 02:09:20,090 | 02:09:22,090 | 難道訴願 |
| 02:09:23,360 | 02:09:25,360 | 委員會的錢也可以被刪除嗎 |
| 02:09:26,970 | 02:09:28,970 | 到目前行政院消保處 |
| 02:09:28,970 | 02:09:30,970 | 還包括有艾爾利案的團體訴訟 |
| 02:09:32,660 | 02:09:34,660 | 中聯問題遊的團體訴訟 |
| 02:09:34,660 | 02:09:36,660 | 在進行 |
| 02:09:36,660 | 02:09:38,660 | 這個都在下半年 |
| 02:09:38,190 | 02:09:40,190 | 或再進一步的進行 |
| 02:09:40,190 | 02:09:42,190 | 難道這些業務費也應該被刪除嗎 |
| 02:09:42,190 | 02:09:44,190 | 我想這應該不會是 |
| 02:09:44,190 | 02:09:46,190 | 人民所樂見的 |
| 02:09:46,190 | 02:09:48,190 | 人民更不會樂見 |
| 02:09:48,190 | 02:09:50,190 | 行政院的員工領薪水 |
| 02:09:50,190 | 02:09:52,190 | 但是業務費卻一塊錢都沒有 |
| 02:09:54,020 | 02:09:56,020 | 水 |
| 02:09:55,620 | 02:09:57,620 | 我完整的把業務費的刪除 |
| 02:09:57,620 | 02:09:59,620 | 對行政院的影響 |
| 02:09:59,620 | 02:10:01,620 | 以及這一次102項提案 |
| 02:10:01,620 | 02:10:03,620 | 對行政院可能造成的影響 |
| 02:10:03,620 | 02:10:05,620 | 做一個完整的報告 |
| 02:10:05,620 | 02:10:07,620 | 那也希望朝野的立委 |
| 02:10:07,620 | 02:10:09,620 | 能夠理性來討論謝謝 |
| 02:10:09,620 | 02:10:11,620 | 我們第七案 |
| 02:10:11,620 | 02:10:13,620 | 我們就保留 |
| 02:10:13,620 | 02:10:15,620 | 等一下院長你都沒有給我們講話 |
| 02:10:15,620 | 02:10:17,620 | 就保留喔 |
| 02:10:17,620 | 02:10:19,620 | 我已經宣告了 |
| 02:10:19,620 | 02:10:21,620 | 不是你剛我剛在你還沒有宣告的時候 |
| 02:10:21,620 | 02:10:23,620 | 我就一直舉手你又不看我院長 |
| 02:10:23,620 | 02:10:25,620 | 我會針對後面還有1000多案 |
| 02:10:25,620 | 02:10:27,620 | 好不好你隨時有意見都可以發 |
| 02:10:27,620 | 02:10:29,620 | 我剛一直舉手你又不叫我 |
| 02:10:29,620 | 02:10:31,620 | 你講得非常清楚 |
| 02:10:31,620 | 02:10:33,620 | 講得非常清楚 |
| 02:10:33,620 | 02:10:35,620 | 院長你讓我講一下 |
| 02:10:36,430 | 02:10:38,430 | 這樣大家都說三個黨團 |
| 02:10:38,430 | 02:10:40,430 | 講兩分錢 |
| 02:10:40,430 | 02:10:42,430 | 通通要講我們先進入第八案 |
| 02:10:42,430 | 02:10:44,430 | 院長我們先講一個業務費 |
| 02:10:44,430 | 02:10:46,430 | 我說三分錢 |
| 02:10:46,430 | 02:10:48,430 | 張院長講得非常清楚 |
| 02:10:48,430 | 02:10:50,430 | 不是啊這個話沒有提案 |
| 02:10:50,430 | 02:10:52,430 | 我覺得要跟國人報告到底什麼叫業務費 |
| 02:10:52,430 | 02:10:54,430 | 各位大委員們你們在立法院 |
| 02:10:54,430 | 02:10:56,430 | 出現冷氣就是業務費啊 |
| 02:10:56,430 | 02:10:58,430 | 那我是立法院經費集合委員 |
| 02:10:58,430 | 02:11:00,430 | 我們一年 |
| 02:11:00,430 | 02:11:02,430 | 不把錢放冷氣 |
| 02:11:02,430 | 02:11:04,430 | 那韓院長上任之後幫大家修繕茶水間 |
| 02:11:04,430 | 02:11:06,430 | 裝電梯這些都是啊 |
| 02:11:06,430 | 02:11:08,430 | 這是業務費呢 |
| 02:11:08,430 | 02:11:10,430 | 你們這些國民都委員給業務費排列了 |
| 02:11:10,430 | 02:11:12,430 | 這樣對嗎 |
| 02:11:12,430 | 02:11:14,430 | 你們自己都沒有到立法院 |
| 02:11:14,430 | 02:11:16,430 | 我只是要解釋給大家聽什麼叫業務費 |
| 02:11:16,430 | 02:11:18,430 | 如果他要講話 |
| 02:11:18,430 | 02:11:20,430 | 一年八億的冷氣 |
| 02:11:20,430 | 02:11:22,430 | 在立法院外交委員 |
| 02:11:22,430 | 02:11:24,430 | 你們手上的冷氣叫營業費 |
| 02:11:24,430 | 02:11:26,430 | 你們知道嗎 |
| 02:11:26,430 | 02:11:28,430 | 要把行政院的行政費用嗎 |
| 02:11:28,430 | 02:11:30,430 | 要把行政院的行政費用嗎 |
| 02:11:30,430 | 02:11:32,430 | 是你們全民黨運動 |
| 02:11:32,430 | 02:11:34,430 | 全民黨自己提案啊 |
| 02:11:34,430 | 02:11:36,430 | 光康沒有荒謬 |
| 02:11:36,430 | 02:11:38,430 | 公義就絕對要荒謬啊 |
| 02:11:38,430 | 02:11:40,430 | 荒謬就是被扣到銀行的業務費 |
| 02:11:40,430 | 02:11:42,430 | 在你八月之前 |
| 02:11:42,430 | 02:11:44,430 | 你現在已經是用了九到十二月的費用喔 |
| 02:11:44,430 | 02:11:46,430 | 真是超好笑 |
| 02:11:47,640 | 02:11:49,640 | 那你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:11:49,640 | 02:11:51,640 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:11:51,640 | 02:11:53,640 | 畢業了 |
| 02:11:52,970 | 02:11:54,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:11:54,970 | 02:11:56,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:11:56,970 | 02:11:58,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:11:58,970 | 02:12:00,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:00,970 | 02:12:02,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:02,970 | 02:12:04,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:04,970 | 02:12:06,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:06,970 | 02:12:08,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:08,970 | 02:12:10,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:10,970 | 02:12:12,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:12,970 | 02:12:14,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:14,970 | 02:12:16,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:16,970 | 02:12:18,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:18,970 | 02:12:20,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:06,980 | 02:12:08,980 | 太開心了 |
| 02:12:08,980 | 02:12:10,980 | 太開心了 |
| 02:12:10,980 | 02:12:12,980 | 太開心了 |
| 02:12:17,320 | 02:12:19,320 | 太開心了 |
| 02:12:19,320 | 02:12:21,320 | 太開心了 |
| 02:12:20,930 | 02:12:22,930 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:22,930 | 02:12:24,930 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:24,930 | 02:12:26,930 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:26,930 | 02:12:28,930 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:28,930 | 02:12:30,930 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:30,930 | 02:12:32,930 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:32,930 | 02:12:34,930 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:34,930 | 02:12:36,930 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:36,930 | 02:12:38,930 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:38,930 | 02:12:40,930 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:40,930 | 02:12:42,930 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:42,930 | 02:12:44,930 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:44,930 | 02:12:46,930 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:46,930 | 02:12:48,930 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:31,290 | 02:12:33,290 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:32,970 | 02:12:34,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:34,970 | 02:12:36,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:36,970 | 02:12:38,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:38,970 | 02:12:40,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:40,970 | 02:12:42,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:42,970 | 02:12:44,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:44,970 | 02:12:46,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:46,970 | 02:12:48,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:48,970 | 02:12:50,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:50,970 | 02:12:52,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:52,970 | 02:12:54,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:54,970 | 02:12:56,970 | 畢業了 |
| 02:12:56,970 | 02:12:58,970 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:12:58,970 | 02:13:00,970 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:12:47,160 | 02:12:49,160 | 軍人的家計 |
| 02:12:49,160 | 02:12:51,160 | 經過了多少天了 |
| 02:12:51,160 | 02:12:53,160 | 怎麼還不給呢 |
| 02:12:53,160 | 02:12:55,160 | 行政院的 |
| 02:12:55,160 | 02:12:57,160 | 退休人員的全數 |
| 02:12:57,160 | 02:12:59,160 | 全數都沒有 |
| 02:13:03,150 | 02:13:05,150 | 謝謝 |
| 02:13:06,650 | 02:13:08,650 | 不要只在乎官員的錢 |
| 02:13:08,650 | 02:13:10,650 | 不要只在乎官員的錢 |
| 02:13:10,650 | 02:13:12,650 | 不要只在乎軍人的家計 |
| 02:13:13,770 | 02:13:15,770 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:13:15,770 | 02:13:17,770 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:13:17,770 | 02:13:19,770 | 畢業了 |
| 02:13:19,770 | 02:13:21,770 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:13:21,770 | 02:13:23,770 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:13:23,770 | 02:13:25,770 | 畢業了 |
| 02:13:25,770 | 02:13:27,770 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:13:27,770 | 02:13:29,770 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:13:29,770 | 02:13:31,770 | 畢業了 |
| 02:13:31,770 | 02:13:33,770 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:13:33,770 | 02:13:35,770 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:13:35,770 | 02:13:37,770 | 畢業了 |
| 02:13:37,770 | 02:13:39,770 | 你們要是誰提到 |
| 02:13:39,770 | 02:13:41,770 | 莫名其妙是誰 |
| 02:13:16,590 | 02:13:18,590 | 你是立法委員 |
| 02:13:18,590 | 02:13:20,590 | 要執行啊 |
| 02:13:20,590 | 02:13:22,590 | 自己的身份 |
| 02:13:22,590 | 02:13:24,590 | 自己的身份是中華民國的立法委員 |
| 02:13:24,590 | 02:13:26,590 | 你是不是民意代表啊 |
| 02:13:26,590 | 02:13:28,590 | 軍人的家金300多天了 |
| 02:13:28,590 | 02:13:30,590 | 你現在退休 |
| 02:13:30,590 | 02:13:32,590 | 軍人的金錢 |
| 02:13:32,590 | 02:13:34,590 | 你用的費來練 |
| 02:13:34,590 | 02:13:36,590 | 你多少金買的錢 |
| 02:13:36,590 | 02:13:38,590 | 在這裡用的費力啊 |
| 02:13:38,590 | 02:13:40,590 | 你這不在你金買多少錢 |
| 02:13:40,590 | 02:13:42,590 | 軍人的退休金你這樣在乎 |
| 02:13:44,030 | 02:13:46,030 | 警消聯合退休金你這樣在乎 |
| 02:13:46,810 | 02:13:48,810 | 軍人的家金你這樣在乎 |
| 02:13:48,810 | 02:13:50,810 | 你是軍人的金錢 |
| 02:13:50,810 | 02:13:52,810 | 你這樣在乎 |
| 02:13:52,810 | 02:13:54,810 | 300多天了 |
| 02:13:54,810 | 02:13:56,810 | 你怎麼在那300多天那些軍人家金 |
| 02:13:56,810 | 02:13:58,810 | 300多天那些警消聯合 |
| 02:13:58,810 | 02:14:00,810 | 你們現在多少錢在裡面你這樣知道 |
| 02:14:00,810 | 02:14:02,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:02,810 | 02:14:04,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:04,810 | 02:14:06,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:06,810 | 02:14:08,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:08,810 | 02:14:10,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:10,810 | 02:14:12,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:12,810 | 02:14:14,810 | 北庄南東金馬 |
| 02:14:14,810 | 02:14:16,810 | 沒有審議員的資格 |
| 02:14:16,810 | 02:14:18,810 | 沒有審議員的資格 |
| 02:14:18,810 | 02:14:20,810 | 他們居然不做 |
| 02:14:20,810 | 02:14:22,810 | 因為警消人員不做 |
| 02:14:22,810 | 02:14:24,810 | 要跟警消人員講話 |
| 02:14:24,810 | 02:14:26,810 | 當是本性講話 |
| 02:14:26,810 | 02:14:28,810 | 不是跟政府官員講話 |
| 02:14:28,810 | 02:14:30,810 | 你有沒有看到小姐 |
| 02:22:51,990 | 02:22:55,990 | 你不一定會來修法國的 |
| 02:22:55,990 | 02:22:57,990 | 如果五點沒來 |
| 02:22:57,990 | 02:23:01,990 | 如果有真義性高的法院 |
| 02:23:01,990 | 02:23:03,990 | 其他就一路往下 |
| 02:23:11,670 | 02:23:13,670 | 報告院長我們開會前先講一下 |
| 02:23:13,670 | 02:23:15,670 | 因為光是第八案 |
| 02:23:15,670 | 02:23:17,670 | 他們是把業務費凍結 |
| 02:23:17,670 | 02:23:19,670 | 一個刪除一個凍結那現在這要怎麼辦 |
| 02:23:19,670 | 02:23:21,670 | 還有二輪 |
| 02:23:21,670 | 02:23:23,670 | 因為不說明一下像那個 |
| 02:23:23,670 | 02:23:25,670 | 富坤級總召還不了解他們刪的 |
| 02:23:25,670 | 02:23:27,670 | 連交易部的無人機都刪掉了 |
| 02:23:27,670 | 02:23:29,670 | 這是錯誤的訊息 |
| 02:23:29,670 | 02:23:31,670 | 我們現在已經進入第幾案了 |
| 02:23:31,670 | 02:23:33,670 | 行政院 |
| 02:23:33,670 | 02:23:35,670 | 第八案 |
| 02:23:35,670 | 02:23:37,670 | 我們進入第八案 |
| 02:23:37,670 | 02:23:39,670 | 謝謝張秘長各黨團幹部請坐 |
| 02:23:39,670 | 02:23:41,670 | 我們進入第八案 |
| 02:23:41,670 | 02:23:43,670 | 報告院長第八案一樣是業務費 |
| 02:23:43,670 | 02:23:45,670 | 然後就給他凍結 |
| 02:23:45,670 | 02:23:47,670 | 請張秘書長保障 |
| 02:23:49,280 | 02:23:53,280 | 報告院長剛剛業務費的部分我已經完整清楚說明了 |
| 02:23:53,280 | 02:23:55,280 | 我還是希望爭取能夠有足夠的預算 |
| 02:23:56,980 | 02:23:58,980 | 第八案保留我們進入第九案 |
| 02:23:58,980 | 02:24:00,980 | 不是院長你不能故意抬頭不看我們 |
| 02:24:00,980 | 02:24:02,980 | 你這樣頭低低都看不到我們有舉手 |
| 02:24:02,980 | 02:24:04,980 | 沒有關係你下一題 |
| 02:24:04,980 | 02:24:06,980 | 院長你尊重我們提案單位 |
| 02:24:06,980 | 02:24:08,980 | 我沒跟你講話我跟院長講話 |
| 02:24:08,980 | 02:24:10,980 | 你是院長喔 |
| 02:24:10,980 | 02:24:12,980 | 謝謝大家請稍安勿躁 |
| 02:24:12,980 | 02:24:14,980 | 你也沒有尊重院長 |
| 02:24:14,980 | 02:24:16,980 | 我跟院長發言我跟你講話嗎 |
| 02:24:16,980 | 02:24:18,980 | 你不是院長我再說一次我跟他說院長 |
| 02:24:18,980 | 02:24:20,980 | 謝謝 |
| 02:24:20,980 | 02:24:22,980 | 謝謝 |
| 02:24:28,750 | 02:24:30,750 | 271萬8千元 |
| 02:24:30,750 | 02:24:32,750 | 業務費教育訓練費用 |
| 02:24:32,750 | 02:24:34,750 | 翁小林委員提減 |
| 02:24:34,750 | 02:24:36,750 | 列100萬元 |
| 02:24:36,750 | 02:24:38,750 | 麻煩請秘書長表達意見 |
| 02:24:38,750 | 02:24:40,750 | 謝謝院長也跟提案的翁委員報告 |
| 02:24:40,750 | 02:24:42,750 | 第一個 |
| 02:24:42,750 | 02:24:44,750 | 今年行政院院本部的教育訓練費 |
| 02:24:44,750 | 02:24:46,750 | 是271.8萬元 |
| 02:24:46,750 | 02:24:48,750 | 已經較去年308萬元 |
| 02:24:48,750 | 02:24:50,750 | 的預算還要減少 |
| 02:24:50,750 | 02:24:52,750 | 這顯見我們也是這個 |
| 02:24:52,750 | 02:24:54,750 | 有專輯扶持的編列 |
| 02:24:54,750 | 02:24:56,750 | 那第二個這個 |
| 02:24:56,650 | 02:24:58,650 | 如果要減100萬的話只剩下171.8萬 |
| 02:25:01,070 | 02:25:03,070 | 這個 |
| 02:25:03,210 | 02:25:05,210 | 只剩下32萬 |
| 02:25:05,560 | 02:25:07,560 | 可以用 |
| 02:25:07,560 | 02:25:09,560 | 接下來還有好幾個月 |
| 02:25:09,560 | 02:25:11,560 | 第三個跟大家報告依照公務員 |
| 02:25:11,560 | 02:25:13,560 | 訓練進修法施行細則 |
| 02:25:13,560 | 02:25:15,560 | 這個行政院的 |
| 02:25:15,560 | 02:25:17,560 | 正式的員額是573人 |
| 02:25:17,560 | 02:25:19,560 | 依法依照這個 |
| 02:25:19,560 | 02:25:21,560 | 這個施行細則我們要編列58人 |
| 02:25:21,560 | 02:25:23,560 | 每人2萬元左右的 |
| 02:25:23,560 | 02:25:25,560 | 這個教育訓練費這樣總共是116萬 |
| 02:25:25,560 | 02:25:27,560 | 那我們如果刪減100萬 |
| 02:25:27,560 | 02:25:29,560 | 只剩下32萬可以用的話恐怕會影響 |
| 02:25:29,560 | 02:25:31,560 | 這個員工教育訓練 |
| 02:25:31,560 | 02:25:33,560 | 的權利那也跟委員報告 |
| 02:25:33,560 | 02:25:35,560 | 為什麼去年的執行狀況 |
| 02:25:35,560 | 02:25:37,560 | 這個略微不影響主要是因為 |
| 02:25:37,560 | 02:25:39,560 | 這個ISO |
| 02:25:39,560 | 02:25:41,560 | 跟IEC27701 |
| 02:25:41,560 | 02:25:43,560 | 這個各支的這個 |
| 02:25:43,560 | 02:25:45,560 | 改版的進度推遲所以本來 |
| 02:25:45,560 | 02:25:47,560 | 明年要去受訓去年要去受訓的 |
| 02:25:47,560 | 02:25:49,560 | 延到今年才受訓 |
| 02:25:49,560 | 02:25:51,560 | 所以這個部分也請委員能夠 |
| 02:25:51,560 | 02:25:53,560 | 理解能夠支持這個行政院 |
| 02:25:53,560 | 02:25:55,560 | 員工的教育訓練的費用謝謝 |
| 02:25:55,560 | 02:25:57,560 | 好 翁小田委員您同意 |
| 02:25:58,040 | 02:26:00,040 | 請 |
| 02:25:59,730 | 02:26:01,730 | 我要講就是我為什麼要刪減行政院 |
| 02:26:01,730 | 02:26:03,730 | 教育訓練費100萬 |
| 02:26:03,730 | 02:26:05,730 | 主要是因為它從112年到 |
| 02:26:05,730 | 02:26:07,730 | 114年我們去看它的執行率 |
| 02:26:07,730 | 02:26:09,730 | 112年編了 |
| 02:26:09,730 | 02:26:11,730 | 106萬 |
| 02:26:11,730 | 02:26:13,730 | 它實際上只用了29萬 |
| 02:26:13,730 | 02:26:15,730 | 執行率只有27% |
| 02:26:15,730 | 02:26:17,730 | 13年也是 |
| 02:26:17,730 | 02:26:19,730 | 大概執行率85% |
| 02:26:19,730 | 02:26:21,730 | 14年56.23% |
| 02:26:21,730 | 02:26:23,730 | 也就是說其實它每年 |
| 02:26:23,730 | 02:26:25,730 | 都超編 |
| 02:26:25,730 | 02:26:27,730 | 今年它編了271萬 |
| 02:26:27,730 | 02:26:29,730 | 那事實上我 |
| 02:26:29,730 | 02:26:31,730 | 刪減100萬而且我還有 |
| 02:26:31,730 | 02:26:33,730 | 特別排除弱勢 |
| 02:26:33,730 | 02:26:35,730 | 要去進行災害防救 |
| 02:26:35,730 | 02:26:37,730 | 及國土安全以及消保 |
| 02:26:37,730 | 02:26:39,730 | 食安業務等兩個項目的話 |
| 02:26:39,730 | 02:26:41,730 | 基本上這個教育訓練費用我是 |
| 02:26:41,730 | 02:26:43,730 | 支持的其餘的部分 |
| 02:26:43,730 | 02:26:45,730 | 應該要減列100萬 |
| 02:26:45,730 | 02:26:47,730 | 那麼事實上我本來也是希望說 |
| 02:26:47,730 | 02:26:49,730 | 就併通三案但是他們看起來 |
| 02:26:49,730 | 02:26:51,730 | 他不願意所以既然如此的話我就堅持 |
| 02:26:51,730 | 02:26:53,730 | 要刪減100萬 |
| 02:26:53,730 | 02:26:55,730 | 好第九案保留我們進入第十案 |
| 02:26:55,730 | 02:26:57,730 | 發告院長有人舉手 |
| 02:27:00,710 | 02:27:02,710 | 他這個業務費從第七案第八案第九案 |
| 02:27:02,710 | 02:27:04,710 | 接下來你再看第十案十一案 |
| 02:27:04,710 | 02:27:06,710 | 我不知道你要怎麼主持下去 |
| 02:27:06,710 | 02:27:08,710 | 我是不是可以請主計 |
| 02:27:08,710 | 02:27:10,710 | 總長這邊講一下 |
| 02:27:10,710 | 02:27:12,710 | 這樣繼續刪下去的話 |
| 02:27:12,710 | 02:27:14,710 | 會不會又超刪 |
| 02:27:15,600 | 02:27:17,600 | 李柏藝委員的意思就是說 |
| 02:27:17,600 | 02:27:19,600 | 九八九這些全部十十一 |
| 02:27:19,600 | 02:27:21,600 | 十二十三十四 |
| 02:27:21,600 | 02:27:23,600 | 我是要說這個提案 |
| 02:27:23,600 | 02:27:25,600 | 有多荒謬啦 |
| 02:27:25,600 | 02:27:27,600 | 那為什麼這個提案會這麼荒謬 |
| 02:27:27,600 | 02:27:29,600 | 其實在委員會裡就沒有辦法 |
| 02:27:29,600 | 02:27:31,600 | 繼續審下去嘛因為沒有 |
| 02:27:31,600 | 02:27:33,600 | 一件案子要好好的聽行政當委 |
| 02:27:33,600 | 02:27:35,600 | 講而且 |
| 02:27:35,600 | 02:27:37,600 | 在審這個案子的時候那個時候 |
| 02:27:37,600 | 02:27:39,600 | 在委員會的時候是五月份六月份 |
| 02:27:39,600 | 02:27:41,600 | 的時候現在已經是七月 |
| 02:27:41,600 | 02:27:43,600 | 二十九號理論上 |
| 02:27:43,600 | 02:27:45,600 | 今年度已經過了快七個月 |
| 02:27:45,600 | 02:27:47,600 | 那可能在刪讀之後 |
| 02:27:47,600 | 02:27:49,600 | 可能是八個月依照 |
| 02:27:49,600 | 02:27:51,600 | 這個邏輯下去講 |
| 02:27:51,600 | 02:27:53,600 | 下去刪的話請問 |
| 02:27:53,600 | 02:27:55,600 | 行政院會不會花超過 |
| 02:27:55,600 | 02:27:57,600 | 請問主計總處我們現在 |
| 02:27:57,600 | 02:27:59,600 | 怎麼辦那如果萬一 |
| 02:27:59,600 | 02:28:01,600 | 有超刪或者是花超過 |
| 02:28:01,600 | 02:28:03,600 | 的部分誰要負責任 |
| 02:28:03,600 | 02:28:05,600 | 是因為立法院刪的比較慢 |
| 02:28:05,600 | 02:28:07,600 | 是因為立法院審的比較慢要負責任 |
| 02:28:07,600 | 02:28:09,600 | 還是行政院你花 |
| 02:28:09,600 | 02:28:11,600 | 多了要負責任到底誰要負責 |
| 02:28:11,600 | 02:28:13,600 | 要公務人員負責任嗎 |
| 02:28:13,600 | 02:28:15,600 | 我覺得這樣是非常非常不合理的 |
| 02:28:15,600 | 02:28:17,600 | 做法喔謝謝院長一定要請 |
| 02:28:17,600 | 02:28:19,600 | 主計總長講一下我這是在 |
| 02:28:19,600 | 02:28:21,600 | 二輪提案我不是在一輪提案 |
| 02:28:21,600 | 02:28:23,600 | 所以一輪很順利就是 |
| 02:28:23,600 | 02:28:25,600 | 因為你二輪來就爆炸了 |
| 02:28:25,600 | 02:28:27,600 | 嘛 |
| 02:28:27,600 | 02:28:29,600 | 沒有刀過沒一樣都不一樣 |
| 02:28:29,600 | 02:28:31,600 | 你們反而是 |
| 02:28:31,600 | 02:28:33,600 | 恐嚇我大部長的 |
| 02:28:33,600 | 02:28:35,600 | 你說二輪提案件嘛 |
| 02:28:35,600 | 02:28:37,600 | 立法委員像流氓這樣講話嗎 |
| 02:28:37,600 | 02:28:39,600 | 沒問題好謝謝大家 |
| 02:28:39,600 | 02:28:41,600 | 怎麼可以人身攻擊呢 |
| 02:28:41,600 | 02:28:43,600 | 大家不要急 |
| 02:28:43,600 | 02:28:45,600 | 主計長你等一下稍微說明一下 |
| 02:28:45,600 | 02:28:47,600 | 讓我容許我先 |
| 02:28:47,600 | 02:28:49,600 | 裁決一下宣告一下 |
| 02:28:49,600 | 02:28:51,600 | 第九案到第十四案 |
| 02:28:51,600 | 02:28:53,600 | 全部業務費 |
| 02:28:53,600 | 02:28:55,600 | 顯然沒有辦法達成公司我們就保留 |
| 02:28:55,600 | 02:28:57,600 | 第十五案料先詳委員改主決議 |
| 02:28:57,600 | 02:28:59,600 | 這個沒問題 |
| 02:28:59,600 | 02:29:01,600 | 民事長你先來我先念完後面 |
| 02:29:01,600 | 02:29:03,600 | 第十六案到第二十案 |
| 02:29:03,600 | 02:29:05,600 | 都是通案 |
| 02:29:05,600 | 02:29:07,600 | 好不好大致上就是這樣 |
| 02:29:07,600 | 02:29:09,600 | 那接下來主計長您要補充嗎 |
| 02:29:09,600 | 02:29:11,600 | 請 |
| 02:29:12,610 | 02:29:16,610 | 行政院這裡的他的業務會是3.65億 |
| 02:29:16,610 | 02:29:18,610 | 那現在3.4要3.4.3億 |
| 02:29:18,610 | 02:29:20,610 | 那就是超過他 |
| 02:29:20,610 | 02:29:22,610 | 民事長講過了對 |
| 02:29:22,610 | 02:29:24,610 | 民事長請補充 |
| 02:29:25,180 | 02:29:27,180 | 雖然院長剛才已經裁決說 |
| 02:29:27,180 | 02:29:29,180 | 那幾案並通案 |
| 02:29:29,180 | 02:29:31,180 | 可是我要針對第十案 |
| 02:29:31,180 | 02:29:33,180 | 十二案補充說明一下 |
| 02:29:33,180 | 02:29:35,180 | 在其他業務租金的部分 |
| 02:29:35,180 | 02:29:37,180 | 這個主要是租賃辦公室 |
| 02:29:37,180 | 02:29:39,180 | 這個影印設備等等的使用 |
| 02:29:39,180 | 02:29:41,180 | 第一個 |
| 02:29:42,360 | 02:29:44,360 | 今年度的預算 |
| 02:29:44,360 | 02:29:48,360 | 其實只較2025年追加後的法律預算多10% |
| 02:29:48,360 | 02:29:52,360 | 那第二個也不如委員所提案中所稱的 |
| 02:29:52,360 | 02:29:54,360 | 2025年尤其去年並沒有超支 |
| 02:29:54,360 | 02:29:56,360 | 執行率是99.2% |
| 02:29:56,360 | 02:29:58,360 | 那第三個也是重點 |
| 02:29:58,360 | 02:30:00,360 | 跟院長跟大院報告 |
| 02:30:00,360 | 02:30:02,360 | 這項業務租金截至六月 |
| 02:30:02,360 | 02:30:04,360 | 截至六月也就是上個月 |
| 02:30:04,360 | 02:30:06,360 | 已經執行了1410萬 |
| 02:30:08,140 | 02:30:12,140 | 如果這個按照提案刪除660萬 |
| 02:30:12,410 | 02:30:14,410 | 則剩下1318萬 |
| 02:30:15,310 | 02:30:17,310 | 還不得流用不得雲之 |
| 02:30:17,310 | 02:30:19,310 | 那我真的不知道這個錢該怎麼辦 |
| 02:30:19,310 | 02:30:21,310 | 以上說明 |
| 02:30:21,310 | 02:30:23,310 | 好 民事長謝謝 |
| 02:30:23,310 | 02:30:25,310 | 那各位如果要發言請針對我剛才宣告之後 |
| 02:30:25,310 | 02:30:27,310 | 大家有什麼寶貴言請表達 |
| 02:30:27,310 | 02:30:29,310 | 我再宣告一次喔 |
| 02:30:29,310 | 02:30:31,310 | 第九案到第十四案我們就保留 |
| 02:30:31,310 | 02:30:33,310 | 十五案改主決議 |
| 02:30:33,310 | 02:30:35,310 | 第十六案到第二十案是通案 |
| 02:30:35,310 | 02:30:37,310 | 二十一案改為主決議 |
| 02:30:40,290 | 02:30:42,290 | 二十二案這個業務費減650萬 |
| 02:30:42,290 | 02:30:44,290 | 等一下我們會來 |
| 02:30:44,290 | 02:30:46,290 | 也是一樣我們就保留了 |
| 02:30:46,290 | 02:30:48,290 | 因為也是業務費沒關係 |
| 02:30:48,290 | 02:30:50,290 | 等一下你會發言 |
| 02:30:50,290 | 02:30:52,290 | 二十三案二十四案還是一樣列入通案 |
| 02:30:52,290 | 02:30:54,290 | 好我現在已經宣告完畢了 |
| 02:30:54,290 | 02:30:56,290 | 那現在委員請發言 |
| 02:30:56,290 | 02:30:58,290 | 我一直想講一句話而已喔 |
| 02:30:58,290 | 02:31:00,290 | 因為這個張秘書長一直重複的講說 |
| 02:31:00,290 | 02:31:02,290 | 預算已經什麼三百多天啊 |
| 02:31:02,290 | 02:31:04,290 | 好像這是立法院的過錯一樣 |
| 02:31:04,290 | 02:31:06,290 | 明明 |
| 02:31:07,290 | 02:31:09,290 | 培元麻煩尊重 |
| 02:31:09,290 | 02:31:11,290 | 明明去年喔如果這樣講 |
| 02:31:11,290 | 02:31:13,290 | 去年我們四月六月就通過軍人加薪 |
| 02:31:13,290 | 02:31:15,290 | 通過警消人士 |
| 02:31:15,290 | 02:31:17,290 | 條例法院的 |
| 02:31:17,290 | 02:31:19,290 | 法案而且已經依法公告了 |
| 02:31:19,290 | 02:31:21,290 | 他們只想到政府可能會 |
| 02:31:21,290 | 02:31:23,290 | 沒有錢用他們都不想到 |
| 02:31:23,290 | 02:31:25,290 | 百姓軍人加薪警消退休 |
| 02:31:25,290 | 02:31:27,290 | 人員的錢會沒有錢用家裡 |
| 02:31:27,290 | 02:31:29,290 | 會掀不起鍋是不是 |
| 02:31:29,290 | 02:31:31,290 | 如果你們真的在乎你們錢過的 |
| 02:31:31,290 | 02:31:33,290 | 時間你們會沒錢用你們就應該 |
| 02:31:33,290 | 02:31:35,290 | 很早就要來溝通這兩個法案而且 |
| 02:31:35,290 | 02:31:37,290 | 就應該去執行 |
| 02:31:37,290 | 02:31:39,290 | 應該依法去執行你現在告訴我 |
| 02:31:39,290 | 02:31:41,290 | 說我們要依法執行這些業務費用 |
| 02:31:41,290 | 02:31:43,290 | 誰要負這些責任我跟你講誰要負這些責任 |
| 02:31:43,290 | 02:31:45,290 | 誰公告法案以後沒有 |
| 02:31:45,290 | 02:31:47,290 | 去執行這些人就應該負責任 |
| 02:31:47,290 | 02:31:49,290 | 這個就是因果就是他們造成的 |
| 02:31:49,290 | 02:31:51,290 | 因所以這個法案 |
| 02:31:51,290 | 02:31:53,290 | 的慢不是立法院審查 |
| 02:31:53,290 | 02:31:55,290 | 預算的慢不是因為立法院實際 |
| 02:31:55,290 | 02:31:57,290 | 就是因為行政院嘛 |
| 02:31:57,480 | 02:31:59,480 | 所以我這件事情就不用一直再重複 |
| 02:31:59,480 | 02:32:01,480 | 已經過了多少天啊說多少錢沒有用啊 |
| 02:32:01,480 | 02:32:03,480 | 什麼過去過不了啊什麼誰要來負責任 |
| 02:32:03,480 | 02:32:05,480 | 就是行政院要負責任公告 |
| 02:32:05,480 | 02:32:07,480 | 的法案就是要做嘛就這樣子 |
| 02:32:07,480 | 02:32:09,480 | 後面就不用一直重複了 |
| 02:32:09,480 | 02:32:11,480 | 好范雲雯舉了三次手范雲雯請發言 |
| 02:32:11,480 | 02:32:13,480 | 我想因為陳玉真講 |
| 02:32:13,480 | 02:32:15,480 | 這樣的話非常的違反 |
| 02:32:15,480 | 02:32:17,480 | 我們的憲法雖然他剛剛宣稱他 |
| 02:32:17,480 | 02:32:19,480 | 憲法100分我看起來應該是0分 |
| 02:32:19,480 | 02:32:21,480 | 憲法就規定 |
| 02:32:21,480 | 02:32:23,480 | 行政院編 |
| 02:32:23,480 | 02:32:25,480 | 預算立法院審 |
| 02:32:25,480 | 02:32:27,480 | 預算那你基本上 |
| 02:32:27,480 | 02:32:29,480 | 你們的法案基本上就 |
| 02:32:29,480 | 02:32:31,480 | 等於是公告了實質的預算 |
| 02:32:31,480 | 02:32:33,480 | 而且剛剛國語情委員 |
| 02:32:33,480 | 02:32:35,480 | 在休息的時候就已經告訴大家國防部 |
| 02:32:35,480 | 02:32:37,480 | 都有為軍人 |
| 02:32:37,480 | 02:32:39,480 | 加薪你們的版本 |
| 02:32:39,480 | 02:32:41,480 | 基本上違反了加薪 |
| 02:32:41,480 | 02:32:43,480 | 應該要的原則會造成 |
| 02:32:43,480 | 02:32:45,480 | 你們就是不做嘛是不是 |
| 02:32:45,480 | 02:32:47,480 | 領導上的困難 |
| 02:32:47,900 | 02:32:49,900 | 郭立雄部長都講過法律 |
| 02:32:49,900 | 02:32:51,900 | 法案通過就是要做已經公告一年多了 |
| 02:32:51,900 | 02:32:53,900 | 有違憲的法案通過 |
| 02:32:53,900 | 02:32:55,900 | 用多數暴力 |
| 02:32:55,900 | 02:32:57,900 | 誰決定是違憲我們要講清楚 |
| 02:32:57,900 | 02:32:59,900 | 憲法法權被人搞成現在 |
| 02:32:59,900 | 02:33:01,900 | 所以憲法法庭還沒決議 |
| 02:33:01,900 | 02:33:03,900 | 該不該執行預算 |
| 02:33:03,900 | 02:33:05,900 | 也是你們說就該 |
| 02:33:05,900 | 02:33:07,900 | 要講執行預算不可以插嘴 |
| 02:33:07,900 | 02:33:09,900 | 為什麼他可以插嘴 |
| 02:33:09,900 | 02:33:11,900 | 每一個委員都可以插嘴 |
| 02:33:11,900 | 02:33:13,900 | 我真要建議他 |
| 02:33:13,900 | 02:33:15,900 | 麻煩尊重法院委員的發言 |
| 02:33:15,900 | 02:33:17,900 | 謝謝方英文的發言 |
| 02:33:17,900 | 02:33:19,900 | 郭立雄委員請發言 |
| 02:33:20,150 | 02:33:22,150 | 好我剛剛其實在休息的時候我已經講過了 |
| 02:33:22,150 | 02:33:24,150 | 所以從整個過去 |
| 02:33:24,150 | 02:33:26,150 | 我們看到在這個 |
| 02:33:26,150 | 02:33:28,150 | 國軍近年來的待遇跟這個 |
| 02:33:28,150 | 02:33:30,150 | 加薪調整的部分其實 |
| 02:33:30,150 | 02:33:32,150 | 已經是非常的頻繁了喔 |
| 02:33:32,150 | 02:33:34,150 | 那從2024年2025年 |
| 02:33:34,150 | 02:33:36,150 | 接連調薪以外行政院也在 |
| 02:33:36,150 | 02:33:38,150 | 2026年的7月我們 |
| 02:33:38,150 | 02:33:40,150 | 拍板了最新的方案 |
| 02:33:40,150 | 02:33:42,150 | 那預告就是在2026年的7月1號起 |
| 02:33:42,150 | 02:33:44,150 | 軍公教的專業加給 |
| 02:33:44,150 | 02:33:46,150 | 跟主管職務的加給 |
| 02:33:46,150 | 02:33:48,150 | 要定額調整 |
| 02:33:48,150 | 02:33:50,150 | 同時在2027年 |
| 02:33:50,150 | 02:33:52,150 | 也就是明年的116年 |
| 02:33:52,150 | 02:33:54,150 | 我們會再 |
| 02:33:54,150 | 02:33:56,150 | 通案調薪4% |
| 02:33:56,150 | 02:33:58,150 | 那我現在在講的這些 |
| 02:33:58,150 | 02:34:00,150 | 麻煩我們在野黨的委員 |
| 02:34:00,150 | 02:34:02,150 | 你們也稍微看清楚 |
| 02:34:02,150 | 02:34:04,150 | 不要一直不斷的鬼打牆 |
| 02:34:04,150 | 02:34:06,150 | 一直在講什麼軍公教的什麼加薪 |
| 02:34:06,150 | 02:34:08,150 | 好那剛剛我有講到 |
| 02:34:08,150 | 02:34:10,150 | 我現在在講話喔請尊重 |
| 02:34:10,150 | 02:34:12,150 | 請尊重我發言 |
| 02:34:12,150 | 02:34:14,150 | 他說你在大宗鬼打牆 |
| 02:34:14,150 | 02:34:16,150 | 請尊重我的發言喔 |
| 02:34:16,150 | 02:34:18,150 | 所以我們剛剛在講的 |
| 02:34:18,150 | 02:34:20,150 | 這些部分其實你們應該都要 |
| 02:34:20,150 | 02:34:22,150 | 先討論清楚先看清楚 |
| 02:34:22,150 | 02:34:24,150 | 那剛剛其實我們的主計長 |
| 02:34:24,150 | 02:34:26,150 | 也有講了 |
| 02:34:26,150 | 02:34:28,150 | 全部全案3.65億 |
| 02:34:28,150 | 02:34:30,150 | 但是問題是現在 |
| 02:34:30,150 | 02:34:32,150 | 已經超刪了所謂的 |
| 02:34:32,150 | 02:34:34,150 | 4點多億這種狀況 |
| 02:34:34,150 | 02:34:36,150 | 我不知道大家有沒有記事感 |
| 02:34:36,150 | 02:34:38,150 | 好回到剛剛我為什麼會 |
| 02:34:38,150 | 02:34:40,150 | 出現在這裡喔 |
| 02:34:40,150 | 02:34:42,150 | 雖然今天沒有講到文化部但是呢 |
| 02:34:42,150 | 02:34:44,150 | 在我進來之前其實有提到所謂的 |
| 02:34:44,150 | 02:34:46,150 | 文化的預算我再次的提醒喔 |
| 02:34:46,150 | 02:34:48,150 | 剛好陳昀臻委員您也在這裡 |
| 02:34:48,150 | 02:34:50,150 | 去年的1月17號 |
| 02:34:50,150 | 02:34:52,150 | 我想你應該還記得 |
| 02:34:52,150 | 02:34:54,150 | 發生什麼事情包含王小棣 |
| 02:34:54,150 | 02:34:56,150 | 老師包含陳世傑金鐘 |
| 02:34:56,150 | 02:34:58,150 | 編劇導演包含 |
| 02:34:58,150 | 02:35:02,150 | 劇作家簡麗穎包含陳志強教授 |
| 02:35:02,150 | 02:35:04,150 | 全部排排站在議場的門口 |
| 02:35:04,150 | 02:35:06,150 | 在抗議你當初提案 |
| 02:35:06,150 | 02:35:12,150 | 要通刪我們的公共電視23億的一個預算 |
| 02:35:12,150 | 02:35:16,150 | 同時在內短短的不到兩天的時間 |
| 02:35:16,150 | 02:35:18,150 | 內後發起連署的藝人 |
| 02:35:18,150 | 02:35:21,150 | 人事包含金馬導演楊麗珠包含 |
| 02:35:21,150 | 02:35:24,150 | 雲美舞姊林懷民包含金馬導演陳裕勳 |
| 02:35:24,150 | 02:35:27,150 | 包含前北藝大校長邱坤良包含 |
| 02:35:27,150 | 02:35:30,150 | 政大廣電學系的教授陳如修 |
| 02:35:30,150 | 02:35:34,150 | 全部他們率先在網路上 |
| 02:35:34,150 | 02:35:36,150 | 發起連署抗議這件事情 |
| 02:35:36,150 | 02:35:39,150 | 後來您應該知道 |
| 02:35:39,150 | 02:35:42,150 | 您後來變成就統三兩千 |
| 02:35:42,150 | 02:35:44,150 | 等一下我還沒有請說我 |
| 02:35:44,150 | 02:35:45,150 | 所以專業立法院的同學 |
| 02:35:45,150 | 02:35:46,150 | 我們就是軍政 |
| 02:35:46,150 | 02:35:47,150 | 不是應該這樣講嗎 |
| 02:35:47,150 | 02:35:49,150 | 好請這是我現在在發言 |
| 02:35:49,150 | 02:35:50,150 | 我現在在發言 |
| 02:35:50,150 | 02:35:51,150 | 郭委員長 |
| 02:35:51,150 | 02:35:52,150 | 我現在在發言 |
| 02:35:52,150 | 02:35:55,150 | 拜託拜託 |
| 02:35:55,150 | 02:35:57,150 | 我們現在在講的是 |
| 02:35:57,150 | 02:35:59,150 | 不要無差別事的一刀砍 |
| 02:35:59,150 | 02:36:02,150 | 包含三十幾個刪減的提案 |
| 02:36:02,150 | 02:36:04,150 | 全部複製貼上 |
| 02:36:04,150 | 02:36:06,150 | 這個就是我們一直在強調的 |
| 02:36:06,150 | 02:36:10,150 | 什麼叫做什麼幫人民節省公帑 |
| 02:36:10,150 | 02:36:11,150 | 這種荒謬的提案 |
| 02:36:11,150 | 02:36:14,150 | 全部複製貼上再變成充三 |
| 02:36:14,150 | 02:36:15,150 | 這樣子的一個金額 |
| 02:36:15,150 | 02:36:17,150 | 你們真的自己有允許嗎 |
| 02:36:17,150 | 02:36:18,150 | 謝謝 |
| 02:36:18,150 | 02:36:20,150 | 以上幫人民節省公帑 |
| 02:36:20,150 | 02:36:21,150 | 很荒謬 |
| 02:36:21,150 | 02:36:22,150 | 不好意思因為這是我的案子 |
| 02:36:22,150 | 02:36:23,150 | 是不是可以請院長容我 |
| 02:36:23,150 | 02:36:24,150 | 我知道我知道 |
| 02:36:24,150 | 02:36:26,150 | 郭委員同學我建議 |
| 02:36:26,150 | 02:36:28,150 | 我們還是針對我們現在進入的 |
| 02:36:28,150 | 02:36:30,150 | 預算案本身好嗎 |
| 02:36:30,150 | 02:36:32,150 | 我知道大家都很急切表達 |
| 02:36:32,150 | 02:36:33,150 | 一些其他方面的意見 |
| 02:36:33,150 | 02:36:35,150 | 但是為了有效的進行 |
| 02:36:35,150 | 02:36:38,150 | 我們今天這個預算的政黨協商 |
| 02:36:38,150 | 02:36:40,150 | 還是拜託大家聚焦一下 |
| 02:36:40,150 | 02:36:42,150 | 那吳校聯會請 |
| 02:36:43,220 | 02:36:45,220 | 因為這兩個案子都是我的案子 |
| 02:36:45,220 | 02:36:47,220 | 所以我就預算案我來講 |
| 02:36:47,910 | 02:36:53,910 | 行政院它去年編列2425萬的預算 |
| 02:36:53,910 | 02:36:58,910 | 水電費 2425萬的水電費的預算 |
| 02:36:58,910 | 02:37:03,910 | 它實際上決算只有2287萬 |
| 02:37:03,910 | 02:37:06,910 | 它今年多編了500萬 |
| 02:37:06,910 | 02:37:10,910 | 2838萬的水電費預算 |
| 02:37:10,910 | 02:37:13,910 | 成長幅度高達17.05% |
| 02:37:13,910 | 02:37:16,910 | 這是跟它去年的法定預算相比的話 |
| 02:37:16,910 | 02:37:21,910 | 本席認為說這麼高水電費 |
| 02:37:22,720 | 02:37:23,720 | 成長幅度太高 |
| 02:37:25,290 | 02:37:29,290 | 行政院本來就應該要節省能源 |
| 02:37:29,290 | 02:37:34,290 | 為什麼在今年要多編500多萬的水電費用 |
| 02:37:34,290 | 02:37:36,290 | 我認為不合理 |
| 02:37:36,290 | 02:37:40,290 | 從113年114年都是2280萬的水電費 |
| 02:37:40,290 | 02:37:42,290 | 那你為什麼要編到2800多萬 |
| 02:37:43,530 | 02:37:45,530 | 我刪500萬有什麼不合理嗎 |
| 02:37:45,530 | 02:37:48,530 | 我還可以讓你今年還可以多用到2300萬 |
| 02:37:50,370 | 02:37:53,370 | 所以我刪除這個費用是很合理的 |
| 02:37:53,370 | 02:37:56,370 | 我先講另外就是還有一個案子 |
| 02:37:56,370 | 02:37:58,370 | 是剛剛講到這個其他業務租金 |
| 02:37:58,370 | 02:37:59,370 | 同樣的 |
| 02:38:00,690 | 02:38:02,690 | 其他業務租金的問題是 |
| 02:38:02,690 | 02:38:04,690 | 每年都超支 |
| 02:38:04,690 | 02:38:10,690 | 我不知道為什麼行政院的財政紀律如此之糟糕 |
| 02:38:10,690 | 02:38:12,690 | 我明明預算通過 |
| 02:38:12,690 | 02:38:16,690 | 只給你們130萬的業務租金 |
| 02:38:16,690 | 02:38:19,690 | 你們卻可以用到170萬 |
| 02:38:19,690 | 02:38:23,690 | 而多了這400萬到底錢從哪裡來 |
| 02:38:24,490 | 02:38:27,490 | 就代表你們其他的預算項目 |
| 02:38:27,490 | 02:38:32,490 | 伏編高編用不完的錢就留到其他業務租金 |
| 02:38:32,490 | 02:38:38,490 | 這個已經違反我們預算法的這個預算臨機原則 |
| 02:38:38,490 | 02:38:41,490 | 你們要何時編列何時去用 |
| 02:38:41,490 | 02:38:45,490 | 所以我在這裡提案刪減660萬 |
| 02:38:45,490 | 02:38:47,490 | 我認為也很合理 |
| 02:38:47,490 | 02:38:49,490 | 因為你們今年編的預算 |
| 02:38:49,490 | 02:38:52,490 | 又比去年成長50% |
| 02:38:55,030 | 02:38:56,030 | 謝謝 |
| 02:38:56,030 | 02:38:58,030 | 報告委員我剛剛都清楚了 |
| 02:38:58,030 | 02:39:01,030 | 現在您剛剛講的是第十案跟第十二案 |
| 02:39:01,030 | 02:39:07,030 | 我們現在進入25、26、27、28、29 |
| 02:39:07,030 | 02:39:08,030 | 那我先跟各位報告一下 |
| 02:39:08,030 | 02:39:11,030 | 26案改組決議政天才委員所提 |
| 02:39:11,030 | 02:39:14,030 | 27案政天才委員所提改組決議 |
| 02:39:14,030 | 02:39:15,030 | 28案改組決議 |
| 02:39:15,030 | 02:39:17,030 | 29案改組決議 |
| 02:39:17,030 | 02:39:22,030 | 現在25案要請張秘書長來表達一下意見 |
| 02:39:22,030 | 02:39:24,030 | 關於一般行政人士 |
| 02:39:24,030 | 02:39:28,030 | 政務人員待遇凍結148萬8千元 |
| 02:39:28,030 | 02:39:30,030 | 行政院院長9月至12月 |
| 02:39:30,030 | 02:39:32,030 | 新知歐小林委員所提 |
| 02:39:32,030 | 02:39:33,030 | 張秘書長請表達意見 |
| 02:39:34,230 | 02:39:36,230 | 好 謝謝院長 |
| 02:39:37,440 | 02:39:39,440 | 第一個我想要表達 |
| 02:39:39,440 | 02:39:43,440 | 人事的費用都是法定支出不得煽動 |
| 02:39:43,440 | 02:39:44,440 | 這是第一個 |
| 02:39:44,440 | 02:39:45,440 | 第二個 |
| 02:39:45,440 | 02:39:48,440 | 如果歐小林委員想要針對卓院長的話 |
| 02:39:48,440 | 02:39:50,440 | 那我想這是一個政治的動作 |
| 02:39:50,440 | 02:39:52,440 | 並不是一個理性的處理預算 |
| 02:39:52,440 | 02:39:53,440 | 你可以針對卓院長 |
| 02:39:53,440 | 02:39:59,440 | 但是你在第十三案提出刪減約用人員酬金 |
| 02:39:59,440 | 02:40:02,440 | 委員您知道約用人員酬金是他的薪水嗎 |
| 02:40:02,440 | 02:40:04,440 | 你去年也這樣子刪 |
| 02:40:04,440 | 02:40:06,440 | 逼迫的行政院要把人家先解僱 |
| 02:40:06,440 | 02:40:07,440 | 再徵聘 |
| 02:40:07,440 | 02:40:10,440 | 然後用人事費來去付約用人員的薪水 |
| 02:40:10,440 | 02:40:13,440 | 人家一個月的薪水3萬多到4萬 |
| 02:40:13,440 | 02:40:14,440 | 這樣你也要刪 |
| 02:40:14,440 | 02:40:18,440 | 你今天刪院長 凍院長 你明天就刪集成 |
| 02:40:18,440 | 02:40:20,440 | 這個我沒有辦法接受 以上說明 |
| 02:40:23,950 | 02:40:24,950 | 歐委員請 |
| 02:40:24,950 | 02:40:28,950 | 我想針對25案 我先講第25案 |
| 02:40:28,950 | 02:40:30,950 | 為什麼要刪卓庸 |
| 02:40:30,950 | 02:40:34,950 | 為什麼要凍結卓庸太久到12月的薪資 |
| 02:40:34,950 | 02:40:37,950 | 先講這個薪資也是法定預算 |
| 02:40:37,950 | 02:40:39,950 | 先講薪資也是法定預算 |
| 02:40:39,950 | 02:40:40,950 | 有人罵髒話 |
| 02:40:40,950 | 02:40:45,950 | 我們在委員會協商的現場 |
| 02:40:45,950 | 02:40:48,950 | 國民黨的黨團總召傅崑祺委員罵髒話 |
| 02:40:48,950 | 02:40:50,950 | 歐委員現在發言請 |
| 02:40:50,950 | 02:40:53,950 | 你們尊重委員的發言好嗎 |
| 02:40:53,950 | 02:40:55,950 | 歐委員現在發言請 |
| 02:40:55,950 | 02:40:58,950 | 尊重委員的發言不要動不動就指向 |
| 02:40:58,950 | 02:40:59,950 | 你們發言叫給一個人當你們黨團總 |
| 02:40:59,950 | 02:41:00,950 | 當你們黨團長 |
| 02:41:00,950 | 02:41:02,950 | 你們是學生不在這邊討價 |
| 02:41:02,950 | 02:41:04,950 | 你們不會看錄影嘛 |
| 02:41:04,950 | 02:41:07,950 | 尊重一下發言的委員好嗎 |
| 02:41:07,950 | 02:41:09,950 | 不要每次都在協商現場做這樣的事情 |
| 02:41:09,950 | 02:41:10,950 | 你自己講什麼 |
| 02:41:10,950 | 02:41:12,950 | 你們隔壁人都沒聽到嗎 |
| 02:41:12,950 | 02:41:14,950 | 中二藍皮豬場你都沒聽到嗎 |
| 02:41:14,950 | 02:41:15,950 | 干擾手段 |
| 02:41:15,950 | 02:41:19,950 | 在講話是因為粉色走到他們嘴 |
| 02:41:19,950 | 02:41:21,950 | 你們委員的粉色走到他們嘴 |
| 02:41:21,950 | 02:41:23,950 | 你們怎麼不肯自己講 |
| 02:41:23,950 | 02:41:25,950 | 口才還是要罵梅書長還是罵卓院長 |
| 02:41:25,950 | 02:41:27,950 | 時間暫停 |
| 02:41:27,950 | 02:41:29,950 | 國民委員直接點名立法委員 |
| 02:41:29,950 | 02:41:30,950 | 我知道 |
| 02:41:30,950 | 02:41:31,950 | 現在可以這樣子喔 |
| 02:41:31,950 | 02:41:33,950 | 還可以直接點名立法委員 |
| 02:41:33,950 | 02:41:35,950 | 請說你這樣三個 |
| 02:41:35,950 | 02:41:36,950 | 除了鐵人共產 |
| 02:41:39,210 | 02:41:41,210 | 你剛剛罵什麼再罵一次 |
| 02:41:41,210 | 02:41:42,210 | 你罵一次再按下去嘛 |
| 02:41:42,210 | 02:41:44,210 | 你有本事你按啊 |
| 02:41:44,210 | 02:41:46,210 | 陳培議委員跟李國維委 |
| 02:41:46,210 | 02:41:48,210 | 還有郭委員 |
| 02:41:48,210 | 02:41:50,210 | 今天是黨 |
| 02:41:50,210 | 02:41:52,210 | 院長罵髒話是剛剛那一位喔 |
| 02:41:52,210 | 02:41:53,210 | 國民黨的總統 |
| 02:41:53,210 | 02:41:55,210 | 是不是應該對梅書長道歉一下 |
| 02:41:55,210 | 02:41:57,210 | 你剛剛那個髒話是給 |
| 02:41:57,210 | 02:41:58,210 | 你們講的發言 |
| 02:41:58,210 | 02:41:59,210 | 你們尊重一下好嗎 |
| 02:41:59,210 | 02:42:00,210 | 院長在講話是尊重 |
| 02:42:00,210 | 02:42:02,210 | 他有罵你們神經嗎 |
| 02:42:02,210 | 02:42:04,210 | 罵誰你自己清楚啊 |
| 02:42:04,640 | 02:42:06,640 | 罵誰你自己清楚嘛 |
| 02:42:06,640 | 02:42:08,640 | 你剛剛罵了誰嘛 |
| 02:42:08,640 | 02:42:10,640 | 傅坤琪你剛剛罵了誰 |
| 02:42:10,640 | 02:42:12,640 | 你為什麼不敢回答嗎 |
| 02:42:12,640 | 02:42:13,640 | 傅坤琪你回答嘛 |
| 02:42:13,640 | 02:42:14,640 | 你幹嘛在這裡努力 |
| 02:42:14,640 | 02:42:16,640 | 你現在罵髒話了 |
| 02:42:16,640 | 02:42:18,640 | 你現在要去罵張秘書長喔 |
| 02:42:18,640 | 02:42:20,640 | 不要啦不要啦 |
| 02:42:20,640 | 02:42:21,640 | 不要啦不要啦 |
| 02:42:21,640 | 02:42:22,640 | 不要再說這個了 |
| 02:42:22,640 | 02:42:23,640 | 院長要主持公道啊 |
| 02:42:23,640 | 02:42:25,640 | 他不要去看VOD重播啊 |
| 02:42:25,640 | 02:42:27,640 | 他現在罵張秘書長道歉 |
| 02:42:27,640 | 02:42:29,640 | 那我繼續學傷 |
| 02:42:29,640 | 02:42:31,640 | 你講錯了不該講 |
| 02:42:31,640 | 02:42:32,640 | 你就該道歉啊 |
| 02:42:32,640 | 02:42:33,640 | 可以討論提案嗎 |
| 02:42:33,640 | 02:42:34,640 | 可不可以 |
| 02:42:34,640 | 02:42:36,640 | 你說不是罵委員 |
| 02:42:36,640 | 02:42:37,640 | 你就罵張秘書長 |
| 02:42:37,640 | 02:42:38,640 | 討論提案嘛 |
| 02:42:38,640 | 02:42:41,640 | 草野學傷到此為止 |
| 02:42:41,640 | 02:42:42,640 | 他剛剛有罵立委了嗎 |
| 02:42:42,640 | 02:42:44,640 | 他剛剛陳述他的論述給他聽 |
| 02:42:44,640 | 02:42:46,640 | 他告訴翁曉琳委員說 |
| 02:42:46,640 | 02:42:49,640 | 這個是學院講的精神喔 |