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完整會議 @ 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:20:49,300 | 00:20:52,180 | 現在開會請阻密報告出席人數 |
| 00:20:52,180 | 00:20:55,200 | 包委員會出席人五人一組法定人數 |
| 00:20:55,200 | 00:20:57,540 | 請醫事人員宣讀上次會議示如 |
| 00:20:59,600 | 00:21:01,060 | 立法院第11屆第五會期 |
| 00:21:01,060 | 00:21:04,580 | 說服力及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議示錄 |
| 00:21:04,580 | 00:21:06,879 | 時間115年7月22日92分 |
| 00:21:06,879 | 00:21:08,679 | 這是70 32分 |
| 00:21:08,679 | 00:21:10,120 | 地點群星的801會議室 |
| 00:21:10,120 | 00:21:11,879 | 初期委員林月琴等15人 |
| 00:21:11,879 | 00:21:14,040 | 練習委員張志倫等19人 |
| 00:21:14,040 | 00:21:15,959 | 練習官員上午衛生福利部部長 |
| 00:21:15,959 | 00:21:17,959 | 石崇良及各相關單位主管 |
| 00:21:18,970 | 00:21:20,810 | 下午衛生福利部政務次長 |
| 00:21:20,810 | 00:21:22,530 | 呂建德及相關單位主管 |
| 00:21:23,160 | 00:21:25,000 | 主席盧昭吉委員現一 |
| 00:21:25,000 | 00:21:27,560 | 上午報告事項宣讀上次會議示錄 |
| 00:21:27,560 | 00:21:28,720 | 決定確定 |
| 00:21:28,720 | 00:21:30,240 | 邀請衛生福利部部長 |
| 00:21:30,240 | 00:21:33,960 | 行政院食品安全辦公室行政院消費者保護處 |
| 00:21:33,960 | 00:21:37,000 | 經濟部法務部國防部及教育部就致癌 |
| 00:21:37,000 | 00:21:40,880 | 使用油成因流向稽查資訊公開風險評估 |
| 00:21:40,880 | 00:21:44,800 | 團體訴訟求償機制行政法律就責 |
| 00:21:44,800 | 00:21:47,440 | 未來具體改進措施及期程等事宜 |
| 00:21:47,440 | 00:21:49,440 | 進行專題報告並被質詢 |
| 00:21:49,930 | 00:21:51,370 | 邀請衛生福利部部長 |
| 00:21:51,370 | 00:21:54,490 | 行政院食品安全辦公室教育部及農業部就 |
| 00:21:54,490 | 00:21:58,090 | 近期發布農藥材流容取量標準 |
| 00:21:58,090 | 00:21:58,770 | 如其中 |
| 00:21:58,770 | 00:22:01,530 | 蘋果芬普寧藥材標準 |
| 00:22:01,530 | 00:22:05,530 | 從零點五ppm放寬至3.0ppm等 |
| 00:22:05,530 | 00:22:09,490 | 之各項依據及修正標準進行專題報告並被質詢 |
| 00:22:10,830 | 00:22:13,510 | 本次會議採綜合詢答由衛生福利部部長 |
| 00:22:13,510 | 00:22:14,870 | 時松良報告及說明後 |
| 00:22:14,870 | 00:22:17,149 | 委員林月琴等19人提出質詢 |
| 00:22:17,149 | 00:22:21,230 | 軍軍衛生福利部部長時松良及各相關主管 |
| 00:22:21,230 | 00:22:22,389 | 及其答覆 |
| 00:22:22,389 | 00:22:25,470 | 委員傅崑琪等5人所提書面質詢 |
| 00:22:25,470 | 00:22:28,110 | 列入紀錄刊登公報決定 |
| 00:22:28,110 | 00:22:29,510 | 1.報告及詢答完畢 |
| 00:22:29,510 | 00:22:32,949 | 2.委員質詢為其答覆或請補充資料 |
| 00:22:32,949 | 00:22:35,189 | 則請相關機關於2週內以書面答覆 |
| 00:22:35,189 | 00:22:37,710 | 委員令要求期限則重新鎖定 |
| 00:22:37,710 | 00:22:38,429 | 討論事項 |
| 00:22:38,430 | 00:22:41,870 | 1.審查行政院韓送財團法人國家衛生研究院 |
| 00:22:41,870 | 00:22:44,950 | 115年度工作計畫及收治預算案 |
| 00:22:44,950 | 00:22:49,150 | 2.審查衛生福利部韓送財團法人醫院評鑑及醫療品質 |
| 00:22:49,150 | 00:22:50,910 | 撤進會等9家財團法人 |
| 00:22:50,910 | 00:22:53,190 | 115年度預算書案決議 |
| 00:22:53,190 | 00:22:55,190 | 1.說明及詢答完畢 |
| 00:22:55,190 | 00:22:58,150 | 2.行政院韓送財團法人國家衛生研究院 |
| 00:22:58,150 | 00:23:02,230 | 115年度工作計畫及收治預算案及衛生福利部 |
| 00:23:02,230 | 00:23:05,150 | 韓送財團法人醫院評鑑及醫療品質 |
| 00:23:05,190 | 00:23:06,870 | 撤進會等9家財團法人 |
| 00:23:06,870 | 00:23:09,030 | 115年度預算書案等2案 |
| 00:23:09,030 | 00:23:12,350 | 另則請繼續審查通過臨時提案4項 |
| 00:23:12,350 | 00:23:15,310 | 下午繼續審查及審查國民年金法 |
| 00:23:15,310 | 00:23:18,310 | 部分條文修正草案案等73案 |
| 00:23:19,530 | 00:23:21,050 | 本次會議討論事項 |
| 00:23:21,670 | 00:23:24,870 | 由衛生福利部政務次長呂建德說明決議一 |
| 00:23:25,410 | 00:23:28,410 | 國民年金法部分條文修正草案等73案 |
| 00:23:28,410 | 00:23:31,570 | 本次審查部分詳列審查結果 |
| 00:23:31,570 | 00:23:33,730 | 尚未審查完軍令則其繼續審查 |
| 00:23:33,730 | 00:23:35,690 | 二審查結果如下第14條 |
| 00:23:35,690 | 00:23:37,490 | 照委員宗家病人是9人提案 |
| 00:23:37,490 | 00:23:39,130 | 修正通過如下 |
| 00:23:39,130 | 00:23:42,730 | 第14條被保險及各級政府為一前二條規定 |
| 00:23:42,730 | 00:23:44,530 | 期限繳納保險費者 |
| 00:23:45,880 | 00:23:49,600 | 自繳納期限借滿一日起至完納前日止 |
| 00:23:49,600 | 00:23:52,920 | 每一日以每年1月1日之郵政儲金 |
| 00:23:52,920 | 00:23:55,640 | 一年起定期存款利率為準 |
| 00:23:55,640 | 00:23:58,120 | 按日計算利息一併計收 |
| 00:23:58,120 | 00:23:59,800 | 依前項規定計算這利息 |
| 00:23:59,800 | 00:24:02,400 | 在一定金額以下者得以免徵 |
| 00:24:02,400 | 00:24:05,040 | 其溯而由中央主管機關定支 |
| 00:24:05,740 | 00:24:07,820 | 依第一項規定計算之利息 |
| 00:24:07,820 | 00:24:10,980 | 被保險人因經濟困難或其他特殊情形 |
| 00:24:10,980 | 00:24:13,580 | 無力繳納者保險人得以減徵或免徵 |
| 00:24:13,580 | 00:24:16,980 | 其資格比例及相關辦法由中央主管機關定支 |
| 00:24:17,630 | 00:24:18,510 | 第18條 |
| 00:24:18,510 | 00:24:20,830 | 趙偉、牛許廷等21人提案通過 |
| 00:24:20,830 | 00:24:22,590 | 3.維持現行條文第12條 |
| 00:24:22,590 | 00:24:24,630 | 第3條及第28條 |
| 00:24:24,630 | 00:24:25,590 | 4.不予徵訂 |
| 00:24:25,590 | 00:24:27,030 | 臺灣民眾黨黨團提案 |
| 00:24:27,030 | 00:24:28,990 | 第32條至2條文 |
| 00:24:28,990 | 00:24:30,190 | 5.保留第30條 |
| 00:24:30,190 | 00:24:30,950 | 第31條 |
| 00:24:30,950 | 00:24:31,550 | 34條 |
| 00:24:31,550 | 00:24:32,310 | 第35條 |
| 00:24:32,310 | 00:24:33,150 | 第36條 |
| 00:24:33,150 | 00:24:34,790 | 第39條及第54條 |
| 00:24:34,790 | 00:24:36,870 | 至1級對應提案條文 |
| 00:24:36,870 | 00:24:37,590 | 宣讀完畢 |
| 00:24:41,440 | 00:24:42,840 | 請問委員會上次議事入 |
| 00:24:42,840 | 00:24:44,360 | 有無錯誤或疑惑之處 |
| 00:24:47,090 | 00:24:48,090 | 議事入確定 |
| 00:24:48,090 | 00:24:49,690 | 本會議議程為 |
| 00:24:49,690 | 00:24:51,530 | 一繼續審查及審查 |
| 00:24:51,530 | 00:24:53,450 | 性別平等工作法 |
| 00:24:53,450 | 00:24:56,250 | 部分條文修正草案等130案 |
| 00:24:56,250 | 00:24:58,530 | 二繼續審查及審查 |
| 00:24:58,530 | 00:25:00,090 | 就業保險法 |
| 00:25:00,090 | 00:25:02,810 | 部分條文修正草案等100案 |
| 00:25:02,810 | 00:25:05,010 | 接著我們介紹在場委員 |
| 00:25:05,010 | 00:25:06,170 | 王振旭委員 |
| 00:25:08,740 | 00:25:09,780 | 兵術官委員 |
| 00:25:11,470 | 00:25:12,510 | 王振旭委員 |
| 00:25:14,090 | 00:25:15,129 | 王振旭委員 |
| 00:25:16,250 | 00:25:17,290 | 邱慧如委員 |
| 00:25:19,500 | 00:25:21,500 | 接著我們介紹列席官員 |
| 00:25:21,500 | 00:25:23,500 | 勞動部洪山漢部長 |
| 00:25:27,090 | 00:25:29,090 | 怎麼好像沒有掌聲 |
| 00:25:31,090 | 00:25:32,290 | 勞動力發展署 |
| 00:25:32,290 | 00:25:33,610 | 施署會副署長 |
| 00:25:35,980 | 00:25:38,020 | 勞工保險局白力爭局長 |
| 00:25:39,620 | 00:25:41,659 | 勞動保險師陳美女市長 |
| 00:25:42,690 | 00:25:45,730 | 勞動福祉退休師黃維琛市長 |
| 00:25:47,270 | 00:25:49,270 | 勞動條件及就業平等師 |
| 00:25:49,270 | 00:25:52,270 | 黃維亞市長 |
| 00:25:53,540 | 00:25:55,580 | 勞動法務師傅惠芝市長 |
| 00:25:57,830 | 00:26:00,870 | 全系部法規師蕭麗蓉專門委員 |
| 00:26:03,180 | 00:26:06,220 | 全省司林黛凡專門委員 |
| 00:26:07,520 | 00:26:09,560 | 退府師朱美英專門委員 |
| 00:26:11,399 | 00:26:13,399 | 國防部資源規劃師 |
| 00:26:13,399 | 00:26:14,800 | 人力支援處 |
| 00:26:14,800 | 00:26:16,800 | 縣民分副處長 |
| 00:26:18,790 | 00:26:20,790 | 人事參謀次長 |
| 00:26:20,790 | 00:26:22,790 | 人事勤務處 |
| 00:26:23,510 | 00:26:24,950 | 黃維琛 |
| 00:26:25,220 | 00:26:26,660 | 副處長 |
| 00:26:28,480 | 00:26:30,480 | 財政部副稅署 |
| 00:26:30,480 | 00:26:32,480 | 林立新副署長 |
| 00:26:32,810 | 00:26:35,250 | 教育部人事處 |
| 00:26:35,530 | 00:26:36,970 | 要配分 |
| 00:26:37,050 | 00:26:38,490 | 要配分專門委員 |
| 00:26:40,320 | 00:26:42,320 | 國民級教育學前署 |
| 00:26:42,320 | 00:26:44,320 | 廖曼雲專門委員 |
| 00:26:46,450 | 00:26:47,890 | 政方與專門委員 |
| 00:26:48,980 | 00:26:52,420 | 終身教育師紀賢仰專門委員 |
| 00:26:54,480 | 00:26:56,920 | 法務部汪南軍參事 |
| 00:26:58,480 | 00:27:00,480 | 經濟部產業發展署 |
| 00:27:00,480 | 00:27:02,480 | 盧碧黛副處長 |
| 00:27:03,150 | 00:27:05,590 | 人事處吳靜瑜專門委員 |
| 00:27:06,460 | 00:27:08,900 | 國營事業管理師林漢隆科長 |
| 00:27:11,080 | 00:27:13,520 | 中小級創新 |
| 00:27:13,380 | 00:27:15,820 | 中小級新創企業署 |
| 00:27:16,150 | 00:27:18,590 | 林玉琪副處長 |
| 00:27:20,420 | 00:27:22,860 | 商業發展署孫大偉科長 |
| 00:27:25,110 | 00:27:27,110 | 衛生福利部社會及家庭署 |
| 00:27:27,110 | 00:27:29,110 | 簡信隆署長 |
| 00:27:30,320 | 00:27:32,760 | 國民健康署林玉璇署長 |
| 00:27:34,200 | 00:27:36,640 | 長期照顧師白山啟簡論濟政 |
| 00:27:39,940 | 00:27:41,940 | 國家發展委員會社會發展處 |
| 00:27:41,940 | 00:27:43,940 | 莊靜雯專門委員 |
| 00:27:44,820 | 00:27:47,260 | 金融監督管理委員會法律事務處林嘉倩專門委員 |
| 00:27:52,430 | 00:27:54,430 | 行政院主計總處公務預算處 |
| 00:27:54,430 | 00:27:56,430 | 顏宇萍簡論事長 |
| 00:27:58,540 | 00:28:00,980 | 基金預算處皇后級專門委員 |
| 00:28:02,720 | 00:28:05,160 | 行政院人事行政總處培訓考驗處蔡佩蓉專門委員 |
| 00:28:13,760 | 00:28:15,760 | 繼續逐條審查前先做一下聲明 |
| 00:28:17,760 | 00:28:19,760 | 一本委員會於六月二十四日 |
| 00:28:19,760 | 00:28:21,760 | 以就行政院含情審議 |
| 00:28:21,760 | 00:28:23,760 | 性別平等工作法部分 |
| 00:28:23,760 | 00:28:25,760 | 條文修正草案等 |
| 00:28:25,760 | 00:28:27,760 | 一百一十七案及行政院 |
| 00:28:27,760 | 00:28:29,760 | 含情審議就業保險法 |
| 00:28:29,760 | 00:28:31,760 | 部分條文修正草案等 |
| 00:28:31,760 | 00:28:33,760 | 九十案 |
| 00:28:33,760 | 00:28:35,760 | 並進行逐條審查 |
| 00:28:35,760 | 00:28:37,760 | 並完成第一輪審查 |
| 00:28:37,760 | 00:28:39,760 | 二本日再加入 |
| 00:28:40,960 | 00:28:42,960 | 委員王宏威等十六人 |
| 00:28:42,960 | 00:28:44,960 | 凝聚性別平等工作法部分 |
| 00:28:44,960 | 00:28:46,960 | 條文修正草案等十三個 |
| 00:28:46,960 | 00:28:48,960 | 提案及委員王宏威等 |
| 00:28:49,690 | 00:28:51,690 | 十六人凝聚就業保險法部分 |
| 00:28:51,690 | 00:28:53,690 | 條文修正草案等十個提案 |
| 00:28:53,690 | 00:28:55,690 | 分別與上述 |
| 00:28:55,690 | 00:28:57,690 | 相關法案並案進行 |
| 00:28:57,690 | 00:28:59,690 | 第二輪審查 |
| 00:28:59,690 | 00:29:01,690 | 原已審查通過的條文 |
| 00:29:01,690 | 00:29:03,690 | 原則上不再進行審查 |
| 00:29:03,690 | 00:29:05,690 | 本日緊就保留及 |
| 00:29:05,690 | 00:29:07,690 | 新增資條文進行 |
| 00:29:07,690 | 00:29:09,690 | 逐條審查討論 |
| 00:29:11,760 | 00:29:13,760 | 先做以下宣告 |
| 00:29:13,760 | 00:29:15,760 | 一循例本日不處理零時提案 |
| 00:29:15,760 | 00:29:17,760 | 二有關本次會議 |
| 00:29:17,760 | 00:29:19,760 | 各項書面資料均列入 |
| 00:29:19,760 | 00:29:21,760 | 記錄刊登公報 |
| 00:29:21,760 | 00:29:23,760 | 現在進行討論事項 |
| 00:29:23,760 | 00:29:25,760 | 一審查及繼續審查性別平等工作法 |
| 00:29:25,760 | 00:29:27,760 | 部分條文修正草案等 |
| 00:29:27,760 | 00:29:29,760 | 一百三十案 |
| 00:29:29,760 | 00:29:31,760 | 第一輪保留及本次新增資 |
| 00:29:31,760 | 00:29:33,760 | 條次條文進行逐條審查 |
| 00:29:33,760 | 00:29:35,760 | 每條條文先請行政單位說明 |
| 00:29:35,760 | 00:29:37,760 | 接著請委員表示意見 |
| 00:29:37,760 | 00:29:39,760 | 現在我們進行本案 |
| 00:29:40,200 | 00:29:42,200 | 現在我們進行本案的逐條討論 |
| 00:29:42,200 | 00:29:44,200 | 現在開先討論第十五條條文 |
| 00:29:44,200 | 00:29:46,200 | 請先請勞動部說明 |
| 00:29:46,200 | 00:29:48,200 | 是謝謝謝謝召委 |
| 00:29:48,200 | 00:29:50,200 | 勞動部這邊先說明 |
| 00:29:50,200 | 00:29:52,200 | 第十五條部分 |
| 00:29:52,200 | 00:29:54,200 | 那上次委員很關心的是 |
| 00:29:54,200 | 00:29:56,200 | 第十五條的部分第一個部分是 |
| 00:29:56,200 | 00:29:58,200 | 有關於慘價的部分 |
| 00:29:58,200 | 00:30:00,200 | 那委員有提到說其實 |
| 00:30:00,200 | 00:30:02,200 | 確實現在ILO C183 |
| 00:30:02,200 | 00:30:04,200 | 裡面規定的慘價的部分 |
| 00:30:04,200 | 00:30:06,200 | 是婦女應該要保護 |
| 00:30:06,200 | 00:30:08,200 | 婦女的一個環節 |
| 00:30:08,640 | 00:30:10,640 | 那公約裡面呢 |
| 00:30:10,640 | 00:30:12,640 | 其實很在意的是慘價 |
| 00:30:12,640 | 00:30:14,640 | 其實要保護婦女的 |
| 00:30:14,640 | 00:30:16,640 | 包含她的假期 |
| 00:30:16,640 | 00:30:18,640 | 跟她缺勤期間 |
| 00:30:18,640 | 00:30:20,640 | 應該要有的經濟支持 |
| 00:30:20,640 | 00:30:22,640 | 就是她的這個收入來源 |
| 00:30:22,640 | 00:30:24,640 | 那我們看一下所有國家 |
| 00:30:24,640 | 00:30:26,640 | 的確有些國家呢 |
| 00:30:26,640 | 00:30:28,640 | 她的慘價現在是14週 |
| 00:30:28,640 | 00:30:30,640 | 比如說像日本但是呢 |
| 00:30:30,640 | 00:30:32,640 | 她的給受僱者的相關的 |
| 00:30:32,640 | 00:30:34,640 | 津貼上面的保護 |
| 00:30:34,640 | 00:30:36,640 | 大概就是投保薪資的 |
| 00:30:36,640 | 00:30:38,640 | 大概就是67 |
| 00:30:38,640 | 00:30:40,640 | 那比如說像韓國 |
| 00:30:40,640 | 00:30:42,640 | 她現在的慘價90天 |
| 00:30:42,640 | 00:30:44,640 | 她大概就是前60天 |
| 00:30:44,640 | 00:30:46,640 | 是全新雇主支付 |
| 00:30:46,640 | 00:30:48,640 | 但是後30天呢救保支付 |
| 00:30:48,640 | 00:30:50,640 | 也是有一個上限 |
| 00:30:50,640 | 00:30:52,640 | 也就是說其實 |
| 00:30:52,640 | 00:30:54,640 | 在慘價期間我們大概國人 |
| 00:30:54,640 | 00:30:56,640 | 關心的不單單只有假期 |
| 00:30:56,640 | 00:30:58,640 | 可能還有包含假期期間 |
| 00:30:58,640 | 00:31:00,640 | 她的薪資的相關規定 |
| 00:31:00,640 | 00:31:02,640 | 那像美國 |
| 00:31:02,640 | 00:31:04,640 | 現在的慘價是12週但是她是 |
| 00:31:04,640 | 00:31:06,640 | 是由企業自行規範 |
| 00:31:06,640 | 00:31:08,640 | 那我們國家呢目前 |
| 00:31:08,640 | 00:31:10,640 | 現行的規定慘價8週 |
| 00:31:10,640 | 00:31:12,640 | 原版慘價12週 |
| 00:31:12,640 | 00:31:14,640 | 目前的規範是雇主應全新給付 |
| 00:31:14,640 | 00:31:16,640 | 那增加的部分呢 |
| 00:31:16,640 | 00:31:18,640 | 由雇主這個補貼 |
| 00:31:18,640 | 00:31:20,640 | 這是慘價部分第一個要跟 |
| 00:31:20,640 | 00:31:22,640 | 這個委員補充說明的 |
| 00:31:22,640 | 00:31:24,640 | 第二個部分是 |
| 00:31:24,640 | 00:31:26,640 | 我們其實也是考量這一次 |
| 00:31:26,640 | 00:31:28,640 | 我們修法性供法不單單只有 |
| 00:31:28,640 | 00:31:30,640 | 慘價包含賠慘價 |
| 00:31:30,640 | 00:31:32,640 | 包含後面育兒部分相關的 |
| 00:31:32,640 | 00:31:34,640 | 這個相關的假期 |
| 00:31:34,640 | 00:31:36,640 | 或者是留庭其實都有 |
| 00:31:36,640 | 00:31:38,640 | 為了有利於育兒環境 |
| 00:31:38,640 | 00:31:40,640 | 我們都有增加 |
| 00:31:40,640 | 00:31:42,640 | 所以整體我們還是在評估 |
| 00:31:42,640 | 00:31:46,640 | 應該要考慮台灣的企業的產業狀況 |
| 00:31:46,640 | 00:31:48,640 | 其實跟其他國家 |
| 00:31:48,640 | 00:31:50,640 | 最大的不同是 |
| 00:31:50,640 | 00:31:52,640 | 我們五人以下的企業 |
| 00:31:54,200 | 00:31:56,200 | 高達122萬家 |
| 00:31:56,200 | 00:31:57,200 | 佔了百分之 |
| 00:31:57,200 | 00:31:59,200 | 接近80 |
| 00:31:59,200 | 00:32:00,200 | 79.24 |
| 00:32:00,200 | 00:32:02,200 | 就算是再多一點 |
| 00:32:02,200 | 00:32:04,200 | 30人以下的企業也有150萬家 |
| 00:32:04,200 | 00:32:06,200 | 佔了97.38% |
| 00:32:06,200 | 00:32:08,200 | 即便是200人以下的 |
| 00:32:08,200 | 00:32:12,200 | 其實也幾乎是全台灣的企業 |
| 00:32:12,200 | 00:32:14,200 | 154萬家佔了99.75% |
| 00:32:14,200 | 00:32:16,200 | 所以人力上的 |
| 00:32:16,200 | 00:32:18,200 | 這個調配的困難 |
| 00:32:18,200 | 00:32:20,200 | 其實我們老公部認為說 |
| 00:32:20,200 | 00:32:22,200 | 整體上面還是應該要考量的 |
| 00:32:22,200 | 00:32:24,200 | 再來我想要跟各位委員報告 |
| 00:32:24,200 | 00:32:26,200 | 的確從五月份 |
| 00:32:26,200 | 00:32:28,200 | 我們宣布了這樣的政策以後 |
| 00:32:28,200 | 00:32:30,200 | 非常多的民眾 |
| 00:32:30,200 | 00:32:32,200 | 他其實是很期待 |
| 00:32:32,200 | 00:32:34,200 | 這個通過立法院這邊委員的協助 |
| 00:32:34,200 | 00:32:36,200 | 可以讓相關的政策 |
| 00:32:36,200 | 00:32:38,200 | 可以盡快通過 |
| 00:32:38,200 | 00:32:40,200 | 特別是現在懷孕已經 |
| 00:32:40,200 | 00:32:42,200 | 超過30週以上 |
| 00:32:42,200 | 00:32:44,200 | 像我們有接到陳情涵 |
| 00:32:44,200 | 00:32:46,200 | 比如說 |
| 00:32:46,200 | 00:32:48,200 | 我想說念給委員聽一下 |
| 00:32:48,200 | 00:32:50,200 | 人民的陳情涵 |
| 00:32:50,200 | 00:32:52,200 | 他說本人太太育產期就在 |
| 00:32:52,200 | 00:32:54,200 | 今年10月 |
| 00:32:54,200 | 00:32:56,200 | 他說希望政府可以推動產假 |
| 00:32:56,200 | 00:32:58,200 | 跟相關陪產假 |
| 00:32:58,200 | 00:33:00,200 | 可以在10月的時候 |
| 00:33:00,200 | 00:33:02,200 | 他太太生產的時候可以運用到 |
| 00:33:02,200 | 00:33:04,200 | 這樣子的一個產假 |
| 00:33:04,200 | 00:33:06,200 | 那還有陳情涵告訴我們說 |
| 00:33:06,200 | 00:33:08,200 | 現在產假延長到12週 |
| 00:33:08,200 | 00:33:10,200 | 因為他太太現在年底生產 |
| 00:33:10,200 | 00:33:12,200 | 也希望這個12週的 |
| 00:33:12,200 | 00:33:14,200 | 薪資他們夫妻可以享用到 |
| 00:33:14,200 | 00:33:16,200 | 他的太太跟 |
| 00:33:16,200 | 00:33:18,200 | 這個小孩子可以享用到 |
| 00:33:18,200 | 00:33:20,200 | 所以我們對於這個產假 |
| 00:33:20,200 | 00:33:22,200 | 我們想說委員其實 |
| 00:33:22,200 | 00:33:24,200 | 很在意的就是 |
| 00:33:24,200 | 00:33:26,200 | 這些孕婦跟產婦相關的 |
| 00:33:26,200 | 00:33:28,200 | 這個權益 |
| 00:33:28,200 | 00:33:30,200 | 陳情涵的心聲我想說 |
| 00:33:30,200 | 00:33:32,200 | 也這邊跟委員做一個 |
| 00:33:32,200 | 00:33:34,200 | 報告另外產檢假 |
| 00:33:34,200 | 00:33:36,200 | 的部分我們這邊補充的是 |
| 00:33:36,200 | 00:33:38,200 | 同樣的產檢假的部分 |
| 00:33:38,200 | 00:33:40,200 | 其實也是國際公約裡面 |
| 00:33:40,200 | 00:33:42,200 | 他關心的那我們現行 |
| 00:33:42,200 | 00:33:44,200 | 的確也有規定產檢假 |
| 00:33:44,200 | 00:33:46,200 | 那產檢假的部分其實 |
| 00:33:46,200 | 00:33:48,200 | 也是同樣的公約裡面規範的 |
| 00:33:48,200 | 00:33:50,200 | 在意的除了假期 |
| 00:33:50,200 | 00:33:52,200 | 還有假期期間他的 |
| 00:33:52,200 | 00:33:54,200 | 經濟收入我們台灣是 |
| 00:33:54,200 | 00:33:56,200 | 全新不得扣薪 |
| 00:33:56,200 | 00:33:58,200 | 目前七天裡面第六天第七天 |
| 00:33:58,200 | 00:34:00,200 | 是政府補貼 |
| 00:34:00,200 | 00:34:02,200 | 像日本的話他其實產檢 |
| 00:34:02,200 | 00:34:04,200 | 他是無薪的所以其他國家 |
| 00:34:04,200 | 00:34:06,200 | 其實可能我們 |
| 00:34:06,200 | 00:34:08,199 | 勞動部在評估的時候 |
| 00:34:08,199 | 00:34:10,199 | 不是單單只有看天數 |
| 00:34:10,199 | 00:34:12,199 | 病頭我們也要看 |
| 00:34:12,199 | 00:34:14,199 | 我們天數期間要保障 |
| 00:34:14,199 | 00:34:16,199 | 婦女朋友的這個經濟收入來源 |
| 00:34:16,199 | 00:34:18,199 | 在台灣的規範其實 |
| 00:34:18,199 | 00:34:20,199 | 是相對於其他國家的 |
| 00:34:20,199 | 00:34:22,199 | 我們是全新的保障是 |
| 00:34:22,199 | 00:34:24,199 | 比較完整的我想勞動部在 |
| 00:34:24,199 | 00:34:26,199 | 十五條的部分先做以上的說明 |
| 00:34:28,480 | 00:34:30,480 | 好針對這一條 |
| 00:34:30,480 | 00:34:32,480 | 我想上次討論的時候各位委員 |
| 00:34:32,480 | 00:34:34,480 | 大概分別提出了關於產假 |
| 00:34:34,480 | 00:34:36,480 | 跟產檢假延長的訴求 |
| 00:34:36,480 | 00:34:38,480 | 那主任委員也主張 |
| 00:34:38,480 | 00:34:40,480 | 賠產假跟賠產檢假 |
| 00:34:40,480 | 00:34:42,480 | 應該一併 |
| 00:34:43,500 | 00:34:45,500 | 提升天數 |
| 00:34:45,500 | 00:34:47,500 | 也針對這幾項的委員提出來 |
| 00:34:47,500 | 00:34:49,500 | 的訴求勞動部大家有沒有 |
| 00:34:49,500 | 00:34:51,500 | 可調升在研議的空間 |
| 00:34:51,500 | 00:34:53,500 | 不過對於現行十二週的產假 |
| 00:34:53,500 | 00:34:55,500 | 我認為大家是可接受的折衷的方案 |
| 00:34:55,500 | 00:34:57,500 | 因為產檢產假 |
| 00:34:57,500 | 00:34:59,500 | 從現有的八週調升到 |
| 00:34:59,500 | 00:35:01,500 | 十二週讓媽媽可以得到更多 |
| 00:35:01,500 | 00:35:03,500 | 休息時間我相信大家非常熱見 |
| 00:35:03,500 | 00:35:05,500 | 不過婦女團體也有提醒 |
| 00:35:05,500 | 00:35:07,500 | 如果只是單方面延長 |
| 00:35:07,500 | 00:35:09,500 | 產假反而會強化新生兒 |
| 00:35:09,500 | 00:35:11,500 | 照顧是母親的一個責任 |
| 00:35:11,500 | 00:35:13,500 | 所以婦女團體並不主張 |
| 00:35:13,500 | 00:35:15,500 | 再繼續又再擴大延長 |
| 00:35:15,500 | 00:35:17,500 | 因為長期下來可能會對 |
| 00:35:17,500 | 00:35:19,500 | 女性的職場的處境 |
| 00:35:19,500 | 00:35:21,500 | 會造成更多不利的影響 |
| 00:35:21,500 | 00:35:23,500 | 所以我認為勞動部接下來 |
| 00:35:23,500 | 00:35:25,500 | 可以要把重點放在 |
| 00:35:25,500 | 00:35:27,500 | 怎麼讓爸爸讓托一體 |
| 00:35:27,500 | 00:35:29,500 | 吸分單更多 |
| 00:35:29,500 | 00:35:31,500 | 所以不同委員 |
| 00:35:31,500 | 00:35:33,500 | 也都有提到現行的七天的產檢假 |
| 00:35:33,500 | 00:35:35,500 | 不足以來面對現行的 |
| 00:35:35,500 | 00:35:37,500 | 檢查項目及課程 |
| 00:35:37,500 | 00:35:39,500 | 所以我上次也有請勞動部 |
| 00:35:39,500 | 00:35:42,500 | 實際產檢次數跟請假的需求 |
| 00:35:42,500 | 00:35:44,500 | 做一個彙整說明 |
| 00:35:44,500 | 00:35:45,500 | 上次也有 |
| 00:35:46,350 | 00:35:48,350 | 提到就是說 |
| 00:35:48,350 | 00:35:50,350 | 當然有委員會主張說 |
| 00:35:50,350 | 00:35:52,350 | 要到十四週 |
| 00:35:52,350 | 00:35:54,350 | 去符合ILO可是 |
| 00:35:54,350 | 00:35:56,350 | 我也提醒說 |
| 00:35:56,350 | 00:35:58,350 | 因為尤其是一個坡坡一個坑的 |
| 00:35:58,350 | 00:36:00,350 | 那個像教育體系的 |
| 00:36:00,350 | 00:36:02,350 | 那這樣子會不會造成 |
| 00:36:02,350 | 00:36:04,350 | 更多的問題要請教一部 |
| 00:36:04,350 | 00:36:06,350 | 也要一併的去做說明 |
| 00:36:06,350 | 00:36:08,350 | 那等一下 |
| 00:36:08,350 | 00:36:10,350 | 也請再部去做回應 |
| 00:36:10,350 | 00:36:12,350 | 來其他委員有沒有意見 |
| 00:36:12,350 | 00:36:14,350 | 林淑芬委員 |
| 00:36:15,170 | 00:36:17,170 | 好我覺得大家在這裡已經講了很多遍了 |
| 00:36:17,170 | 00:36:19,170 | 說不過我還是要 |
| 00:36:19,170 | 00:36:21,170 | 再講一遍就是說 |
| 00:36:21,170 | 00:36:23,170 | 產檢假只有七天這個是 |
| 00:36:23,170 | 00:36:25,170 | 絕對不行的因為我們看起來 |
| 00:36:25,170 | 00:36:27,170 | 好像是說他要增加 |
| 00:36:27,170 | 00:36:29,170 | 但是 |
| 00:36:29,170 | 00:36:31,170 | 產檢假是因為 |
| 00:36:31,170 | 00:36:33,170 | 現在我們論述過現在 |
| 00:36:33,170 | 00:36:35,170 | 就是都高齡孕婦 |
| 00:36:35,170 | 00:36:37,170 | 然後到時候就高齡產婦 |
| 00:36:37,170 | 00:36:39,170 | 然後在這種過程裡面 |
| 00:36:39,170 | 00:36:41,170 | 本來剛開始是 |
| 00:36:41,170 | 00:36:43,170 | 四週產檢一次變成兩週 |
| 00:36:43,170 | 00:36:45,170 | 產檢一次變成一週產檢一次 |
| 00:36:45,170 | 00:36:47,170 | 然後我們的健保 |
| 00:36:47,170 | 00:36:49,170 | 公費的產檢次數 |
| 00:36:49,170 | 00:36:51,170 | 也從十二次增加到十四次 |
| 00:36:51,170 | 00:36:53,170 | 那你就覺得十四 |
| 00:36:53,170 | 00:36:55,170 | 除以半天半天好像七天 |
| 00:36:55,170 | 00:36:57,170 | 剛剛好可是事實上 |
| 00:36:57,170 | 00:36:59,170 | 不是這樣子 |
| 00:36:59,170 | 00:37:01,170 | 我們要再講一遍不是 |
| 00:37:01,170 | 00:37:03,170 | 這樣子的 |
| 00:37:03,170 | 00:37:05,170 | 很多高齡孕婦 |
| 00:37:05,170 | 00:37:07,170 | 的產檢 |
| 00:37:07,170 | 00:37:09,170 | 其實是可能會發生 |
| 00:37:09,170 | 00:37:11,170 | 問題的譬如說 |
| 00:37:11,170 | 00:37:13,170 | 認成糖尿的問題 |
| 00:37:13,170 | 00:37:15,170 | 或是 |
| 00:37:15,170 | 00:37:17,170 | 相對於年輕的孕婦 |
| 00:37:17,170 | 00:37:19,170 | 會有其他問題 |
| 00:37:19,170 | 00:37:21,170 | 然後他還要再追加檢查 |
| 00:37:21,170 | 00:37:23,170 | 所以在追加檢查的過程 |
| 00:37:23,170 | 00:37:25,170 | 時間就要多所以你會發現 |
| 00:37:25,170 | 00:37:27,170 | 這個熱門時段的產檢 |
| 00:37:27,170 | 00:37:29,170 | 下班以後啦 |
| 00:37:29,170 | 00:37:31,170 | 週末假日啦大家都 |
| 00:37:31,170 | 00:37:33,170 | 只能利用下班以後或週末 |
| 00:37:33,170 | 00:37:35,170 | 假日然後大排長龍看到 |
| 00:37:35,170 | 00:37:37,170 | 等到半夜 |
| 00:37:37,170 | 00:37:39,170 | 半夜真的是半夜 |
| 00:37:39,170 | 00:37:41,170 | 你叫一個孕婦為了產檢 |
| 00:37:41,170 | 00:37:43,170 | 等到半夜很辛苦 |
| 00:37:43,170 | 00:37:45,170 | 那不要再講成鄉差距 |
| 00:37:45,170 | 00:37:47,170 | 成鄉差距就是多少 |
| 00:37:47,170 | 00:37:49,170 | 地方根本沒有婦產科 |
| 00:37:49,170 | 00:37:51,170 | 台灣三百一十九個 |
| 00:37:51,170 | 00:37:53,170 | 鄉鎮你去看有幾個 |
| 00:37:53,170 | 00:37:55,170 | 鄉鎮連婦產科都沒有 |
| 00:37:55,170 | 00:37:57,170 | 人家還要舟車勞頓 |
| 00:37:57,170 | 00:37:59,170 | 跑到遠遠的地方 |
| 00:37:59,170 | 00:38:01,170 | 通勤然後去看婦產科 |
| 00:38:01,170 | 00:38:03,170 | 那這樣通勤的時間 |
| 00:38:03,170 | 00:38:05,170 | 算下來你的 |
| 00:38:05,170 | 00:38:07,170 | 公費產檢十四次 |
| 00:38:07,170 | 00:38:09,170 | 不是除以半天四個小時 |
| 00:38:09,170 | 00:38:11,170 | 根本不是 |
| 00:38:11,170 | 00:38:13,170 | 所以真的是不足 |
| 00:38:13,170 | 00:38:15,170 | 那我們是希望說 |
| 00:38:15,170 | 00:38:17,170 | 我很樂意支持我們黃姐委員的版本 |
| 00:38:17,170 | 00:38:19,170 | 十天十天 |
| 00:38:20,680 | 00:38:22,680 | 第二個我們我也在講說 |
| 00:38:22,680 | 00:38:24,680 | 賠產檢價和 |
| 00:38:24,680 | 00:38:26,680 | 賠產價一起共用 |
| 00:38:26,680 | 00:38:28,680 | 加起來好像多了一倍 |
| 00:38:28,680 | 00:38:30,680 | 七天變成十四天 |
| 00:38:30,680 | 00:38:32,680 | 好像很多了多一倍 |
| 00:38:32,680 | 00:38:34,680 | 可是事實上就不是那樣子 |
| 00:38:34,680 | 00:38:36,680 | 真的不是那樣子 |
| 00:38:36,680 | 00:38:38,680 | 你去對照日本的 |
| 00:38:38,680 | 00:38:40,680 | 二十八天韓國的二十天 |
| 00:38:40,680 | 00:38:42,680 | 然後再對照說 |
| 00:38:42,680 | 00:38:44,680 | 賠產檢跟產檢是共用的時候 |
| 00:38:44,680 | 00:38:46,680 | 你就覺得 |
| 00:38:46,680 | 00:38:48,680 | 你去對照日本的二十八天韓國的二十天 |
| 00:38:48,560 | 00:38:50,560 | 那婦女生下來生完小孩 |
| 00:38:52,380 | 00:38:54,380 | 然後如果她顧了賠產檢 |
| 00:38:54,380 | 00:38:56,380 | 她就後面的賠產價 |
| 00:38:56,380 | 00:38:58,380 | 就天數就少了 |
| 00:38:58,380 | 00:39:00,380 | 她想要多一點在小孩生完以後 |
| 00:39:00,380 | 00:39:02,380 | 賠產價幫忙照顧小孩 |
| 00:39:02,380 | 00:39:04,380 | 她的賠產檢就又少了 |
| 00:39:04,380 | 00:39:06,380 | 所以在這種狀況裡面 |
| 00:39:06,380 | 00:39:08,380 | 變成相互的排擠 |
| 00:39:08,380 | 00:39:10,380 | 那我們希望因為 |
| 00:39:10,380 | 00:39:12,380 | 照顧的責任的分工 |
| 00:39:12,380 | 00:39:14,380 | 我一直講不是自然形成的 |
| 00:39:15,760 | 00:39:17,760 | 他是被文化制度職場 |
| 00:39:17,760 | 00:39:19,760 | 和教堂相關的 |
| 00:39:19,760 | 00:39:21,760 | 共同形塑出來的 |
| 00:39:21,760 | 00:39:25,760 | 當法律給女性教場的照顧時間的時候 |
| 00:39:25,760 | 00:39:27,760 | 但是相對的 |
| 00:39:27,760 | 00:39:31,760 | 你的爸爸卻只給教短的陪伴時間 |
| 00:39:31,760 | 00:39:33,760 | 然後賠產時間的話 |
| 00:39:33,760 | 00:39:35,760 | 最後還是要女人去負擔 |
| 00:39:35,760 | 00:39:37,760 | 那個照顧新生兒的責任 |
| 00:39:37,760 | 00:39:41,760 | 然後那個性別分工就形成了 |
| 00:39:41,760 | 00:39:43,760 | 那爸爸想說我要多一點時間 |
| 00:39:43,760 | 00:39:45,760 | 來賠產來照顧新生兒 |
| 00:39:45,760 | 00:39:47,760 | 事實上也不太可能 |
| 00:39:47,760 | 00:39:49,760 | 所以因為他要上班嘛 |
| 00:39:49,760 | 00:39:51,760 | 所以我們是希望說 |
| 00:39:51,760 | 00:39:53,760 | 這樣的制度天數的不足 |
| 00:39:53,760 | 00:39:55,760 | 也讓主確的男性 |
| 00:39:55,760 | 00:39:57,760 | 在孩子出生的初期 |
| 00:39:57,760 | 00:39:59,760 | 就真正的進入照顧的角色 |
| 00:39:59,760 | 00:40:01,760 | 而我們知道孩子一出生 |
| 00:40:01,760 | 00:40:03,760 | 爸爸就來幫忙照顧的話 |
| 00:40:03,760 | 00:40:05,760 | 他會這個爸爸會適應的很快 |
| 00:40:05,760 | 00:40:07,760 | 他照顧的天數多一點的話 |
| 00:40:07,760 | 00:40:09,760 | 他也會習慣這個照顧 |
| 00:40:09,760 | 00:40:11,760 | 照顧小嬰兒的這個責任 |
| 00:40:11,760 | 00:40:13,760 | 也可以上手 |
| 00:40:13,760 | 00:40:15,760 | 也可以幫忙 |
| 00:40:15,760 | 00:40:17,760 | 也可以在文化分 |
| 00:40:17,760 | 00:40:19,760 | 性別分工上去適應 |
| 00:40:19,760 | 00:40:21,760 | 一個新的分工 |
| 00:40:21,760 | 00:40:23,760 | 所以這是很重要的 |
| 00:40:23,760 | 00:40:25,760 | 所以十四天 |
| 00:40:25,760 | 00:40:27,760 | 看起來好像多了一倍 |
| 00:40:27,760 | 00:40:29,760 | 多了七天 |
| 00:40:31,630 | 00:40:33,630 | 但相較於韓國和相較於日本 |
| 00:40:33,630 | 00:40:35,630 | 真的不算是多 |
| 00:40:35,630 | 00:40:37,630 | 所以我們是希望說 |
| 00:40:37,630 | 00:40:39,630 | 應該要再增加 |
| 00:40:39,630 | 00:40:41,630 | 如果沒有辦法像韓國日本那麼多 |
| 00:40:41,630 | 00:40:43,630 | 我們也希望應該要比十四天 |
| 00:40:43,630 | 00:40:45,630 | 再更增加 |
| 00:40:45,630 | 00:40:47,630 | 那我的版本是十八天 |
| 00:40:47,630 | 00:40:49,630 | 也請大家支持 |
| 00:40:49,630 | 00:40:51,630 | 好 接下來請黃捷 |
| 00:40:51,630 | 00:40:53,630 | 然後王昱敏然後再牛喜婷 |
| 00:40:53,150 | 00:40:55,150 | 好 那這個保留的十五條 |
| 00:40:55,150 | 00:40:57,150 | 其實上一次的發言我已經有提過了 |
| 00:40:57,150 | 00:40:59,150 | 我還是希望再一次的爭取 |
| 00:40:59,150 | 00:41:01,150 | 就是產檢假要延長的部分 |
| 00:41:01,150 | 00:41:03,150 | 那前面我還是肯定 |
| 00:41:03,150 | 00:41:05,150 | 願版這個產假八周延長 |
| 00:41:05,150 | 00:41:07,150 | 到十二周 賠產檢跟 |
| 00:41:07,150 | 00:41:09,150 | 賠產假七天延長到十四天 |
| 00:41:09,150 | 00:41:11,150 | 這些我都非常認同 |
| 00:41:11,150 | 00:41:13,150 | 我也支持 那我自己的版本也都有 |
| 00:41:13,150 | 00:41:15,150 | 但是產檢假的部分 |
| 00:41:15,150 | 00:41:17,150 | 我還是希望七天可以延長 |
| 00:41:17,150 | 00:41:19,150 | 到十天 那如同剛剛 |
| 00:41:19,150 | 00:41:21,150 | 淑芬委員講的 其實很多 |
| 00:41:21,150 | 00:41:23,150 | 產婦他們真的都要利用 |
| 00:41:23,150 | 00:41:25,150 | 下班的時間 利用週末的時間 |
| 00:41:25,150 | 00:41:27,150 | 甚至可能你說 |
| 00:41:27,150 | 00:41:29,150 | 這個排班到 在那邊輪到 |
| 00:41:29,150 | 00:41:31,150 | 半夜才有辦法就診 |
| 00:41:31,150 | 00:41:33,150 | 這都是有可能的 而且 |
| 00:41:33,150 | 00:41:35,150 | 衛福部自己建議的例行 |
| 00:41:35,150 | 00:41:37,150 | 傳檢就是十四次 |
| 00:41:37,150 | 00:41:39,150 | 那再加上其他額外的 |
| 00:41:39,150 | 00:41:41,150 | 例如說超音波 認成糖尿病 |
| 00:41:41,150 | 00:41:43,150 | 篩檢 甚至產前的遺傳 |
| 00:41:43,150 | 00:41:45,150 | 的診斷 甚至各種 |
| 00:41:45,150 | 00:41:47,150 | 臨時的狀況的就診 加一加 |
| 00:41:47,150 | 00:41:49,150 | 一定都會超過二十次 |
| 00:41:49,150 | 00:41:51,150 | 以上 那甚至我也聽到 |
| 00:41:51,150 | 00:41:53,150 | 很多產婦跟我們說 他們為了 |
| 00:41:53,150 | 00:41:55,150 | 不要超過天數啊 所以 |
| 00:41:55,150 | 00:41:57,150 | 在這個十四次裡面 他們一 |
| 00:41:57,150 | 00:41:59,150 | 從醫院一離開 就要 |
| 00:41:59,150 | 00:42:01,150 | 趕快回去公司上班 |
| 00:42:01,150 | 00:42:03,150 | 這個過程都是非常 |
| 00:42:03,150 | 00:42:05,150 | 匆忙 然後他們都要這樣子 |
| 00:42:05,150 | 00:42:07,150 | 捧著他們的大肚子這樣子來回 |
| 00:42:07,150 | 00:42:09,150 | 真的非常的辛苦 |
| 00:42:09,150 | 00:42:11,150 | 所以呢 雖然這個 |
| 00:42:11,150 | 00:42:13,150 | 勞動部有說 七天的產檢 |
| 00:42:13,150 | 00:42:15,150 | 假 以半天為單位可以 |
| 00:42:15,150 | 00:42:17,150 | 彈性的請假 但是 |
| 00:42:17,150 | 00:42:19,150 | 最多就變成是只有十四個半天 |
| 00:42:19,150 | 00:42:21,150 | 那就跟這個衛福部建議的 |
| 00:42:21,150 | 00:42:23,150 | 例行產檢打拼而已 |
| 00:42:23,150 | 00:42:25,150 | 是完全沒有餘裕的 |
| 00:42:25,150 | 00:42:27,150 | 所以呢 我是希望說 |
| 00:42:27,150 | 00:42:29,150 | 現在這個十五條 |
| 00:42:29,150 | 00:42:31,150 | 有沒有機會再把七天 |
| 00:42:31,150 | 00:42:33,150 | 延長到十天 |
| 00:42:33,150 | 00:42:35,150 | 而且多的這三天 |
| 00:42:35,150 | 00:42:37,150 | 我希望是由勞動部 |
| 00:42:37,150 | 00:42:39,150 | 來補助 如果可以的話 |
| 00:42:39,150 | 00:42:41,150 | 希望大家可以支持我的版本 |
| 00:42:41,150 | 00:42:43,150 | 謝謝 |
| 00:42:43,150 | 00:42:45,150 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:42:45,150 | 00:42:47,150 | 有關於第十五條 |
| 00:42:47,150 | 00:42:49,150 | 上次在委員會討論的時候 |
| 00:42:49,150 | 00:42:51,150 | 大家其實討論非常多 |
| 00:42:51,150 | 00:42:53,150 | 那我要再一次表達 |
| 00:42:53,150 | 00:42:55,150 | 國際勞工組織大家知道嗎 |
| 00:42:55,150 | 00:42:57,150 | 它是什麼時候就把 |
| 00:42:57,150 | 00:42:59,150 | 產假修正為十四週 |
| 00:42:59,150 | 00:43:01,150 | 是在公元兩千年 |
| 00:43:02,940 | 00:43:04,940 | 也就是台灣我們現在的 |
| 00:43:04,940 | 00:43:06,940 | 產假已經足足落後 |
| 00:43:06,940 | 00:43:08,940 | 國際勞工組織 |
| 00:43:08,940 | 00:43:10,940 | 二十六年 |
| 00:43:10,940 | 00:43:12,940 | 就是我們 |
| 00:43:12,940 | 00:43:14,940 | 其實是大幅落後的 |
| 00:43:14,940 | 00:43:16,940 | 大家再看一下國際上在做什麼事情 |
| 00:43:16,940 | 00:43:18,940 | 國際 如果你看 |
| 00:43:18,940 | 00:43:20,940 | OECD的國家 |
| 00:43:20,940 | 00:43:22,940 | 他們平均的產假 大家知道 |
| 00:43:22,940 | 00:43:24,940 | 是幾週嗎 超過 |
| 00:43:24,940 | 00:43:26,940 | 十八週 我們常常說 |
| 00:43:26,940 | 00:43:28,940 | 台灣我們現在正在進步 |
| 00:43:28,940 | 00:43:30,940 | 我們比照我們的 |
| 00:43:30,940 | 00:43:32,940 | 經濟數據 我們最近半導體 |
| 00:43:32,940 | 00:43:34,940 | 跟AI相關 |
| 00:43:34,940 | 00:43:36,940 | 個股的表現 我們都覺得 |
| 00:43:36,940 | 00:43:38,940 | 我們都在進步 |
| 00:43:38,760 | 00:43:40,760 | 政府說我們的經濟 |
| 00:43:40,760 | 00:43:42,760 | 成果很好 |
| 00:43:43,030 | 00:43:45,030 | 我們一方面覺得我們台灣 |
| 00:43:45,030 | 00:43:47,030 | 很先進很進步 但是提到 |
| 00:43:47,030 | 00:43:49,030 | 勞工權益的時候 |
| 00:43:49,030 | 00:43:51,030 | 提到產假的時候 |
| 00:43:51,030 | 00:43:53,030 | 我們不想跑在前面 |
| 00:43:53,030 | 00:43:55,030 | 甚至是中位數 |
| 00:43:55,030 | 00:43:57,030 | 可能都沒有 |
| 00:43:57,510 | 00:43:59,510 | 我們已經落後國際勞工組織 |
| 00:43:59,510 | 00:44:01,510 | 他所規定的產假 |
| 00:44:01,510 | 00:44:03,510 | 十四週已經這麼久了 |
| 00:44:03,510 | 00:44:05,510 | 而且國際勞工組織 |
| 00:44:05,510 | 00:44:07,510 | 他們 我知道情況是他們 |
| 00:44:07,510 | 00:44:09,510 | 還想要再更進步 |
| 00:44:09,930 | 00:44:11,930 | 再去提高產假的天數 |
| 00:44:11,930 | 00:44:13,930 | 我們可以看到 OECD國家 |
| 00:44:13,930 | 00:44:15,930 | 已經到了十八週 |
| 00:44:15,930 | 00:44:17,930 | 那請問我們台灣在什麼樣的位置 |
| 00:44:17,930 | 00:44:19,930 | 那剛剛這個勞動部說 |
| 00:44:19,930 | 00:44:21,930 | 很多家長很希望 |
| 00:44:21,930 | 00:44:23,930 | 我們也很希望 我相信更多 |
| 00:44:23,930 | 00:44:25,930 | 家長希望的事不是 |
| 00:44:25,930 | 00:44:27,930 | 只有到十二週 而是可以跟 |
| 00:44:27,930 | 00:44:29,930 | 國際勞工組織真的 |
| 00:44:29,930 | 00:44:31,930 | 對齊的十四週 |
| 00:44:31,930 | 00:44:33,930 | 所以國民黨我們也很希望 |
| 00:44:33,930 | 00:44:35,930 | 我們很多人提案 我們也很希望 |
| 00:44:35,930 | 00:44:37,930 | 這一條趕快過 但是過的版本 |
| 00:44:37,930 | 00:44:39,930 | 是十四週 而不是勞動部 |
| 00:44:39,930 | 00:44:41,930 | 十二週的版本 |
| 00:44:41,930 | 00:44:43,930 | 因為我們真的覺得 台灣我們對於 |
| 00:44:43,930 | 00:44:45,930 | 勞工的保障 以我們現在的經濟能力 |
| 00:44:45,930 | 00:44:47,930 | 我們覺得我們在台灣生活 |
| 00:44:47,930 | 00:44:49,930 | 很驕傲 |
| 00:44:49,930 | 00:44:51,930 | 我們在保障勞工各項權益上面 |
| 00:44:51,930 | 00:44:53,930 | 我們沒有道理 也沒有理由 |
| 00:44:53,930 | 00:44:55,930 | 是落後在國際勞工組織的規範之後 |
| 00:44:55,930 | 00:44:57,930 | 而且坦白講 |
| 00:44:57,930 | 00:44:59,930 | 就差這兩週 |
| 00:44:59,930 | 00:45:01,930 | 十二到十四週 |
| 00:45:01,930 | 00:45:03,930 | 剛剛這個市長提到了 |
| 00:45:03,930 | 00:45:05,930 | 很多不可行的 |
| 00:45:05,930 | 00:45:07,930 | 十二到十四週 差兩個禮拜 |
| 00:45:07,930 | 00:45:09,930 | 有這麼的不可行嗎 |
| 00:45:09,930 | 00:45:11,930 | 我真的覺得 |
| 00:45:11,930 | 00:45:13,930 | 我們既然這一步要踏出去 |
| 00:45:13,930 | 00:45:15,930 | 要修法 我希望這一次的 |
| 00:45:15,930 | 00:45:17,930 | 我們的性別平等工作法 |
| 00:45:17,930 | 00:45:19,930 | 我們的修法 我們是可以 |
| 00:45:19,930 | 00:45:21,930 | 走在亞洲國家的前面 |
| 00:45:23,320 | 00:45:25,320 | 而不是我們一直落後 |
| 00:45:25,320 | 00:45:27,320 | 在人家的後面 |
| 00:45:27,320 | 00:45:29,320 | 這一點 我是希望 |
| 00:45:29,320 | 00:45:31,320 | 大家可以有共識 |
| 00:45:31,320 | 00:45:33,320 | 我也建議 如果今天委員會第二輪 |
| 00:45:33,320 | 00:45:35,320 | 這個還沒有共識 |
| 00:45:35,320 | 00:45:37,320 | 我們就保留 送朝野協商 |
| 00:45:37,320 | 00:45:39,320 | 我們希望可以盡快 |
| 00:45:39,320 | 00:45:41,320 | 可以定案 以上 謝謝 |
| 00:45:41,000 | 00:45:43,000 | 好 劉喜廷 |
| 00:46:11,000 | 00:46:13,000 | 不是很奇怪嗎 |
| 00:46:13,000 | 00:46:15,000 | 我們的保守羽隊到最後會不會 |
| 00:46:15,000 | 00:46:17,000 | 我現在往前進了一小步 |
| 00:46:17,000 | 00:46:19,000 | 然後試了大半年 一年兩年 |
| 00:46:19,000 | 00:46:21,000 | 沒有效果 我要再討論一次 何必呢 |
| 00:46:21,790 | 00:46:23,790 | 就是這下重本處理不就對了嗎 |
| 00:46:23,790 | 00:46:25,790 | 今天很多人講說 |
| 00:46:25,790 | 00:46:27,790 | 我十二週我是比照日韓產價的部分 |
| 00:46:27,790 | 00:46:29,790 | 對不對 我們的生育率要不要 |
| 00:46:29,790 | 00:46:31,790 | 比一下日韓 日韓都不高 但我們比他們還低 |
| 00:46:31,790 | 00:46:33,790 | 最近都被韓國超過去 |
| 00:46:33,790 | 00:46:35,790 | 對不對 所以本席的主張 |
| 00:46:35,790 | 00:46:37,790 | 這個東西 當然是要處理 |
| 00:46:37,790 | 00:46:39,790 | 而且是重最優處理 |
| 00:46:39,790 | 00:46:41,790 | 綜合各個委員的版本來看 |
| 00:46:41,790 | 00:46:43,790 | 產價十四週 |
| 00:46:43,790 | 00:46:45,790 | 賠償或叫所謂的準備價 |
| 00:46:45,790 | 00:46:47,790 | 十八天 我們如果可以在這個地方 |
| 00:46:47,790 | 00:46:49,790 | 達成共識 那才是對台灣社會 |
| 00:46:49,790 | 00:46:51,790 | 最清楚的訊號 |
| 00:46:51,790 | 00:46:53,790 | 就是我們的政府要認真面對 |
| 00:46:53,790 | 00:46:55,790 | 少子女化的問題 所以我覺得這個 |
| 00:46:55,790 | 00:46:57,790 | 我不希望這個還送到 |
| 00:46:57,790 | 00:46:59,790 | 協商或什麼的 大家在場 |
| 00:46:59,790 | 00:47:01,790 | 如果都可以認同少子女化是最重要的 |
| 00:47:01,790 | 00:47:03,790 | 國安危機 那我們就從 |
| 00:47:03,790 | 00:47:05,790 | 最優來處理這一條 |
| 00:47:05,790 | 00:47:07,790 | 這我覺得不分黨派是可以有機會達成共識 |
| 00:47:07,790 | 00:47:09,790 | 十四週的產價 |
| 00:47:09,790 | 00:47:11,790 | 十八天的準備價 這本席的主張 謝謝 |
| 00:47:13,770 | 00:47:15,770 | 先請政府部門做回應 |
| 00:47:22,250 | 00:47:24,250 | 還有在場的委員 |
| 00:47:24,250 | 00:47:26,250 | 還有這個部長 |
| 00:47:26,250 | 00:47:28,250 | 官員大家好 |
| 00:47:28,250 | 00:47:30,250 | 那我想關於這個新公法第十五條 |
| 00:47:30,250 | 00:47:32,250 | 我們台灣民眾黨有三個堅持 |
| 00:47:32,250 | 00:47:34,250 | 那第一個堅持呢 |
| 00:47:34,250 | 00:47:36,250 | 就是產價 我們希望 |
| 00:47:36,250 | 00:47:38,250 | 能夠從現行的八週提升到十四週 |
| 00:47:38,250 | 00:47:40,250 | 那我想相關的數據 |
| 00:47:40,250 | 00:47:42,250 | 剛剛玉米委員這邊講的非常的 |
| 00:47:42,250 | 00:47:44,250 | 清楚 就是其實我們 |
| 00:47:44,250 | 00:47:46,250 | 就是想要接軌國際 如果 |
| 00:47:46,250 | 00:47:48,250 | 其他的國家做得到 |
| 00:47:48,250 | 00:47:50,250 | 我們台灣號稱所謂的 |
| 00:47:50,250 | 00:47:52,250 | 國際大國為什麼做不到 |
| 00:47:52,250 | 00:47:54,250 | 那特別是玉米委員剛剛提出 |
| 00:47:54,250 | 00:47:56,250 | 國際勞工組織人家就是十四週 |
| 00:47:56,250 | 00:47:58,250 | OECD大部分的國家人家 |
| 00:47:58,250 | 00:48:00,250 | 就是十八週 我們的 |
| 00:48:00,250 | 00:48:02,250 | 經濟成長率今年號稱可以 |
| 00:48:02,250 | 00:48:04,250 | 達到九點六四 |
| 00:48:04,250 | 00:48:06,250 | 所以我們有這樣的經濟實力 |
| 00:48:06,250 | 00:48:08,250 | 為什麼不把這個經濟的果實回饋 |
| 00:48:08,250 | 00:48:10,250 | 到我們勞工 這是第一件事情 |
| 00:48:10,250 | 00:48:12,250 | 那第二件事關於產減價 |
| 00:48:12,250 | 00:48:14,250 | 就是我們第二個堅持 |
| 00:48:14,250 | 00:48:16,250 | 就是說我們希望能夠把 |
| 00:48:16,250 | 00:48:18,250 | 產減價證明為生產準備價 |
| 00:48:18,250 | 00:48:20,250 | 因為媽媽在生產之前 |
| 00:48:20,250 | 00:48:22,250 | 除了要花時間 |
| 00:48:22,250 | 00:48:24,250 | 去做產減之外 |
| 00:48:24,250 | 00:48:26,250 | 還要上生產課程 |
| 00:48:26,250 | 00:48:28,250 | 育兒課程 這些都是需要時間準備 |
| 00:48:28,250 | 00:48:30,250 | 那如果把這個名詞 |
| 00:48:30,250 | 00:48:32,250 | 把它證明為生產準備價 |
| 00:48:32,250 | 00:48:34,250 | 也可以讓這個 |
| 00:48:34,250 | 00:48:36,250 | 就是反映實際的 |
| 00:48:36,250 | 00:48:38,250 | 實際的內容這樣子 |
| 00:48:38,250 | 00:48:40,250 | 那也可以鼓勵 |
| 00:48:40,250 | 00:48:42,250 | 媽媽 |
| 00:48:41,750 | 00:48:43,750 | 在整個生產的過程當中 |
| 00:48:43,750 | 00:48:47,750 | 鼓勵雇主在媽媽整個生產的過程當中 |
| 00:48:47,750 | 00:48:49,750 | 多給予一些準備 |
| 00:48:49,750 | 00:48:51,750 | 那當然第三個堅持就是日數的問題 |
| 00:48:51,750 | 00:48:53,750 | 剛剛不管疏分委員或黃金委員 |
| 00:48:53,750 | 00:48:55,750 | 這邊對於日數都提出很多 |
| 00:48:55,750 | 00:48:57,750 | 應該要提升的一個論述 |
| 00:48:57,750 | 00:48:59,750 | 那我們在十四天這方面 |
| 00:48:59,750 | 00:49:01,750 | 也是很堅持 以上說明 |
| 00:49:01,750 | 00:49:03,750 | 謝謝 |
| 00:49:04,030 | 00:49:06,030 | 請納文波說明 |
| 00:49:07,810 | 00:49:09,810 | 欸 第一個 |
| 00:49:09,870 | 00:49:11,870 | 我們是 |
| 00:49:11,870 | 00:49:13,870 | 完全是同意今天在 |
| 00:49:13,870 | 00:49:15,870 | 燒紙化 尤其是職場友善 |
| 00:49:15,870 | 00:49:17,870 | 必須花很大的力氣 |
| 00:49:17,870 | 00:49:19,870 | 來去做應對的 |
| 00:49:19,870 | 00:49:21,870 | 跟政策合力起來去做應對的 |
| 00:49:21,870 | 00:49:23,870 | 但是我想我們其實也跟 |
| 00:49:23,870 | 00:49:25,870 | ILO 包括相關的組織 |
| 00:49:25,870 | 00:49:27,870 | 其實我們去做了一些相關的對子 |
| 00:49:27,870 | 00:49:29,870 | 也跟去了解 |
| 00:49:29,870 | 00:49:31,870 | 因為ILO |
| 00:49:31,870 | 00:49:33,870 | 它其實講的產價 |
| 00:49:33,870 | 00:49:35,870 | 它其實常常產價跟我們現在 |
| 00:49:35,870 | 00:49:37,870 | 定義的產價之間 |
| 00:49:38,820 | 00:49:40,820 | 不盡能完全都是 |
| 00:49:41,240 | 00:49:43,240 | 完全都是一樣的 |
| 00:49:43,240 | 00:49:45,240 | 也就是說國際上面現在 |
| 00:49:45,240 | 00:49:47,240 | 很多對於產價的這個 |
| 00:49:47,240 | 00:49:49,240 | 它的概念其實它甚至是 |
| 00:49:49,240 | 00:49:51,240 | 把產價包括我們的 |
| 00:49:51,240 | 00:49:53,240 | 產檢價 |
| 00:49:53,050 | 00:49:55,050 | 我們的產價產檢價 |
| 00:49:55,050 | 00:49:57,050 | 包括我們部分的像這個 |
| 00:49:57,050 | 00:49:59,050 | 運營流停的制度它其實是一個 |
| 00:49:59,050 | 00:50:01,050 | 整合性的統稱 |
| 00:50:01,050 | 00:50:03,050 | 我們的制度裡面是把 |
| 00:50:03,050 | 00:50:05,050 | 產價產檢價包括運營流停 |
| 00:50:05,050 | 00:50:07,050 | 我們是把它給分開來的 |
| 00:50:07,050 | 00:50:09,050 | 所以在ILO裡面 |
| 00:50:09,050 | 00:50:11,050 | 他們在設定他們的 |
| 00:50:11,050 | 00:50:13,050 | 產價其實是從 |
| 00:50:13,050 | 00:50:15,050 | 他們其實是從可以 |
| 00:50:15,050 | 00:50:17,050 | 檢查出預產期就開始 |
| 00:50:17,050 | 00:50:19,050 | 所謂的產價的時間 |
| 00:50:19,050 | 00:50:21,050 | 我們是把它分成 |
| 00:50:21,050 | 00:50:23,050 | 產檢價跟產價 |
| 00:50:23,050 | 00:50:25,050 | 所以這是第一點 |
| 00:50:25,050 | 00:50:27,050 | 我還是要跟各位委員說明 |
| 00:50:27,050 | 00:50:29,050 | 第二點如果像剛才跟 |
| 00:50:29,050 | 00:50:31,050 | 委員剛才提到跟日韓的比較的話 |
| 00:50:31,050 | 00:50:33,050 | 其實我們在 |
| 00:50:33,050 | 00:50:35,050 | 產價我們的 |
| 00:50:35,050 | 00:50:37,050 | 給薪 |
| 00:50:36,940 | 00:50:38,940 | 我們給薪我們是所有都會給全薪 |
| 00:50:41,630 | 00:50:43,630 | 但是日本跟韓國基本上 |
| 00:50:43,630 | 00:50:45,630 | 它的給薪的制度並不是這樣 |
| 00:50:45,630 | 00:50:47,630 | 他們只給2% |
| 00:50:49,950 | 00:50:51,950 | 對所以我說這我們也有 |
| 00:50:51,950 | 00:50:53,950 | 這個部分 |
| 00:50:54,660 | 00:50:56,660 | 我要說的意思是 |
| 00:50:56,660 | 00:50:58,660 | 我們其實在這些環節上面 |
| 00:50:58,660 | 00:51:00,660 | 我們其實在給薪的方式 |
| 00:51:00,660 | 00:51:02,660 | 方方面我們是不輸日韓的 |
| 00:51:02,660 | 00:51:04,660 | 那再來一點是說 |
| 00:51:04,660 | 00:51:06,660 | 我們當然希望我們制度有一個 |
| 00:51:06,660 | 00:51:08,660 | 大幅度的進步這件事情 |
| 00:51:08,660 | 00:51:10,660 | 是確定的所以這也是我們從 |
| 00:51:10,660 | 00:51:12,660 | 8週希望拉到12週的原因 |
| 00:51:12,660 | 00:51:14,660 | 但是也希望委員 |
| 00:51:14,660 | 00:51:16,660 | 可以再多考慮一個地方是 |
| 00:51:16,660 | 00:51:18,660 | 沒有錯我們現在當然總體 |
| 00:51:18,660 | 00:51:20,660 | 的經濟的數字這都大家都很清楚 |
| 00:51:20,660 | 00:51:22,660 | 可是的確台灣還是 |
| 00:51:22,660 | 00:51:24,660 | 有非常多的小微企業 |
| 00:51:25,420 | 00:51:27,420 | 的比例很多 |
| 00:51:27,420 | 00:51:29,420 | 所以我們這段時間其實也請教了 |
| 00:51:29,420 | 00:51:31,420 | 很多相關的企業這些 |
| 00:51:31,420 | 00:51:33,420 | 這些大型的企業 |
| 00:51:33,420 | 00:51:35,420 | 尤其是收入的很好的科技業 |
| 00:51:35,420 | 00:51:37,420 | 當然對他們來講 |
| 00:51:37,420 | 00:51:39,420 | 這些問題相對是比較 |
| 00:51:39,420 | 00:51:41,420 | 好處理的可是對於很多 |
| 00:51:41,420 | 00:51:43,420 | 的小微企業來說 |
| 00:51:43,870 | 00:51:45,870 | 當他沒有辦法在短期找到人的時候 |
| 00:51:45,870 | 00:51:47,870 | 這些多出來的 |
| 00:51:47,870 | 00:51:49,870 | 時間多出來的這些價 |
| 00:51:49,870 | 00:51:51,870 | 他就變成是現有的人 |
| 00:51:51,870 | 00:51:53,870 | 他要用加班的方式 |
| 00:51:53,870 | 00:51:55,870 | 去做頂替 |
| 00:51:56,150 | 00:51:58,150 | 所以這裡面真的還是會有一個我們 |
| 00:51:58,150 | 00:52:00,150 | 如何在進步的 |
| 00:52:00,150 | 00:52:02,150 | 進程中 |
| 00:52:02,150 | 00:52:04,150 | 還是必須針對台灣的產業 |
| 00:52:04,150 | 00:52:06,150 | 的現況去做一定程度 |
| 00:52:06,150 | 00:52:08,150 | 的權衡但是這個 |
| 00:52:08,150 | 00:52:10,150 | 前提是要進步我想這 |
| 00:52:10,150 | 00:52:12,150 | 大家沒有人會反對我們 |
| 00:52:12,150 | 00:52:14,150 | 還是希望大部的進步 |
| 00:52:14,460 | 00:52:16,460 | 可是相對於這些 |
| 00:52:16,460 | 00:52:18,460 | 產業尤其是這些小微 |
| 00:52:18,460 | 00:52:20,460 | 企業他們的排班的處境 |
| 00:52:20,460 | 00:52:22,460 | 他們人力的狀況的部分 |
| 00:52:22,460 | 00:52:24,460 | 我們還是覺得應該有一定程度的去 |
| 00:52:24,460 | 00:52:26,460 | 權衡他們在人力上面的需求 |
| 00:52:26,460 | 00:52:28,460 | 我們比較擔心的事情是這個部分 |
| 00:52:28,460 | 00:52:30,460 | 那當然我們現在也會有給 |
| 00:52:30,460 | 00:52:32,460 | 像直帶津貼或者 |
| 00:52:32,460 | 00:52:34,460 | 是這樣的津貼沒有錯 |
| 00:52:34,460 | 00:52:36,460 | 但是 |
| 00:52:35,860 | 00:52:37,860 | 其實是不是每一個企業 |
| 00:52:37,860 | 00:52:39,860 | 他都可以透過這方 |
| 00:52:39,860 | 00:52:41,860 | 尤其是小微企業他都可以找到相對 |
| 00:52:41,860 | 00:52:43,860 | 應的直帶的人選有的時候 |
| 00:52:43,860 | 00:52:45,860 | 不同企業規模 |
| 00:52:45,860 | 00:52:47,860 | 他的挑戰還是不一樣的我們必須承認 |
| 00:52:47,860 | 00:52:49,860 | 對小的企業來說他的 |
| 00:52:49,860 | 00:52:51,860 | 挑戰還是真的是比較大的 |
| 00:52:51,860 | 00:52:53,860 | 所以我還是想跟委員說我們希望 |
| 00:52:53,860 | 00:52:55,860 | 讓這整體的制度有一個明確 |
| 00:52:55,860 | 00:52:57,860 | 的進步 |
| 00:52:57,860 | 00:52:59,860 | 可是如何顧及到 |
| 00:52:59,860 | 00:53:01,860 | 小微企業他 |
| 00:53:01,860 | 00:53:03,860 | 第一線職場工作現場的 |
| 00:53:03,860 | 00:53:05,860 | 那些狀況因為我今天如果 |
| 00:53:05,860 | 00:53:07,860 | 大比一揮當然都可以我 |
| 00:53:07,860 | 00:53:09,860 | 可以腦中都是用科技業去 |
| 00:53:09,860 | 00:53:11,860 | 想像我們的制度規劃都可以 |
| 00:53:11,860 | 00:53:13,860 | 可是大比一揮下去的時候 |
| 00:53:13,860 | 00:53:15,860 | 對於小微企業到時候他在排班 |
| 00:53:15,860 | 00:53:17,860 | 他在人力上面的填補 |
| 00:53:17,860 | 00:53:19,860 | 的時候所造成 |
| 00:53:19,860 | 00:53:21,860 | 的產生的狀況 |
| 00:53:21,860 | 00:53:23,860 | 跟問題我自己是認為 |
| 00:53:23,860 | 00:53:25,860 | 以台灣的現況來說我們還是必須去 |
| 00:53:25,860 | 00:53:27,860 | 做一定程度的考慮 |
| 00:53:27,860 | 00:53:29,860 | 所以我們我是建議說 |
| 00:53:29,860 | 00:53:31,860 | 這條數條我們還是不是還是先 |
| 00:53:31,860 | 00:53:33,860 | 保留我還是希望能夠跟我們我們在針對這部分 |
| 00:53:33,860 | 00:53:35,860 | 各種的考慮我們都願意來考慮 |
| 00:53:35,860 | 00:53:37,860 | 然後我們再來做一點意見的交換 |
| 00:53:37,860 | 00:53:39,860 | 我是建議就保留好不好 |
| 00:53:40,810 | 00:53:42,810 | 先讓王正序委員先發言 |
| 00:53:42,810 | 00:53:44,810 | 因為他剛剛前面沒有發言 |
| 00:53:44,810 | 00:53:46,810 | 王正序委員 |
| 00:53:46,750 | 00:53:48,750 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:53:48,750 | 00:53:50,750 | 我想大家都非常關心這個 |
| 00:53:50,750 | 00:53:52,750 | 少子化以後 |
| 00:53:52,750 | 00:53:54,750 | 少子化以後台灣應該 |
| 00:53:54,750 | 00:53:56,750 | 如何來面對尤其是勞工這一部分 |
| 00:53:56,750 | 00:53:58,750 | 那根據剛剛部長 |
| 00:53:58,750 | 00:54:00,750 | 有在補充說明 |
| 00:54:00,750 | 00:54:02,750 | 國際勞工組織ILO |
| 00:54:02,750 | 00:54:04,750 | 在母性保護公約第 |
| 00:54:04,750 | 00:54:06,750 | 183號公約中 |
| 00:54:06,750 | 00:54:08,750 | 將產假 |
| 00:54:08,750 | 00:54:10,750 | 定義為女性勞工享有 |
| 00:54:10,750 | 00:54:12,750 | 至少14週的 |
| 00:54:12,750 | 00:54:14,750 | 有薪產假其核心的目的 |
| 00:54:14,750 | 00:54:16,750 | 核心的目的是要產前休息 |
| 00:54:16,750 | 00:54:18,750 | 產後母體恢復 |
| 00:54:18,750 | 00:54:20,750 | 以及照顧出生幼兒 |
| 00:54:20,750 | 00:54:22,750 | 所以產假 |
| 00:54:22,750 | 00:54:24,750 | 在這個ILO裡面 |
| 00:54:24,750 | 00:54:26,750 | 就是將產前 |
| 00:54:27,320 | 00:54:29,320 | 還有生產以後以及後續的照顧 |
| 00:54:29,320 | 00:54:31,320 | 出生幼兒當中 |
| 00:54:31,320 | 00:54:33,320 | 都需要有適當的這個 |
| 00:54:33,320 | 00:54:35,320 | 休假的這個需求 |
| 00:54:35,320 | 00:54:37,320 | 不過剛剛部長提供到的 |
| 00:54:37,320 | 00:54:39,320 | 就是他們強制規定 |
| 00:54:39,320 | 00:54:41,320 | 其中產後必須 |
| 00:54:41,320 | 00:54:43,320 | 休假至少六週 |
| 00:54:44,240 | 00:54:46,240 | 產後必須休假至少六週 |
| 00:54:46,240 | 00:54:48,240 | 以保護母子健康 |
| 00:54:48,240 | 00:54:50,240 | 那目前我們的修法裡面 |
| 00:54:50,240 | 00:54:52,240 | 針對於 |
| 00:54:52,240 | 00:54:54,240 | 第15條第一項裡面 |
| 00:54:54,240 | 00:54:56,240 | 正面版是將這個 |
| 00:54:56,240 | 00:54:58,240 | 第二行產假是 |
| 00:54:58,240 | 00:55:00,240 | 調高到12週 |
| 00:55:00,240 | 00:55:02,240 | 所以這個12週如果從定義上來看的話 |
| 00:55:02,240 | 00:55:04,240 | 就是表示 |
| 00:55:04,240 | 00:55:06,240 | 產後必須休假至少 |
| 00:55:06,240 | 00:55:08,240 | 12週 |
| 00:55:08,020 | 00:55:10,020 | 就是如果用ILO |
| 00:55:10,020 | 00:55:12,020 | 他們本來是6週嘛 |
| 00:55:12,020 | 00:55:14,020 | 所以我們這邊是12週 |
| 00:55:14,020 | 00:55:16,020 | 理論上就是把這個ILO相關的 |
| 00:55:16,020 | 00:55:18,020 | 這個定義如果再釐清的話 |
| 00:55:18,020 | 00:55:20,020 | 可能大家對於如何去討論 |
| 00:55:20,020 | 00:55:22,020 | 產假、賠產假等等的 |
| 00:55:22,020 | 00:55:24,020 | 會更清楚 |
| 00:55:24,020 | 00:55:26,020 | 以上的補充 |
| 00:55:25,940 | 00:55:27,940 | 針對王遠的說明 |
| 00:55:27,940 | 00:55:29,940 | 我再做一點補充 |
| 00:55:29,940 | 00:55:31,940 | 其實ILO最 |
| 00:55:31,590 | 00:55:33,590 | 最 |
| 00:55:32,590 | 00:55:34,590 | 強制性的部分其實是 |
| 00:55:34,590 | 00:55:36,590 | 產後一定要有 |
| 00:55:36,590 | 00:55:38,590 | 六週 |
| 00:55:39,000 | 00:55:41,000 | 的休息 |
| 00:55:41,000 | 00:55:43,000 | 這是他最強硬的、強制的部分 |
| 00:55:43,860 | 00:55:45,860 | 那他的確有建議14週 |
| 00:55:45,860 | 00:55:47,860 | 可是我說這個14週 |
| 00:55:47,860 | 00:55:49,860 | 的部分其實他是 |
| 00:55:49,860 | 00:55:51,860 | 可以散落在他其實能夠 |
| 00:55:51,860 | 00:55:53,860 | 預判預產期很在前段的時候預判預產 |
| 00:55:53,860 | 00:55:55,860 | 就會開始請的部分 |
| 00:55:55,860 | 00:55:57,860 | 但我們現在的制度是我們把這些相關的 |
| 00:55:57,860 | 00:55:59,860 | 價別我們把它拆成 |
| 00:55:59,860 | 00:56:01,860 | 產檢假、產假 |
| 00:56:01,860 | 00:56:03,860 | 甚至我們有部分的 |
| 00:56:03,860 | 00:56:05,860 | 育嬰留庭的概念也有點像ILO |
| 00:56:05,860 | 00:56:07,860 | 後來這個是對小朋友的照顧 |
| 00:56:07,860 | 00:56:09,860 | 的部分其實也有點相近 |
| 00:56:09,860 | 00:56:11,860 | 這邊所以我們的確整體 |
| 00:56:11,860 | 00:56:13,860 | 來說我們的產價跟ILO |
| 00:56:13,860 | 00:56:15,860 | 直接的產價不是完全 |
| 00:56:15,860 | 00:56:17,860 | 等價的 |
| 00:56:18,220 | 00:56:20,220 | 對應的確是這樣這部分是我想要跟 |
| 00:56:20,220 | 00:56:22,220 | 委員們說明的 |
| 00:56:22,220 | 00:56:24,220 | 地方但是我 |
| 00:56:24,220 | 00:56:26,220 | 我知道可能我們還需要一點時間 |
| 00:56:26,220 | 00:56:28,220 | 在討論所以我想要先保留 |
| 00:56:29,090 | 00:56:31,090 | 好那第二 |
| 00:56:31,090 | 00:56:33,090 | 不好意思要好好招惟謝謝 |
| 00:56:33,090 | 00:56:35,090 | 謝謝主席因為有些 |
| 00:56:35,090 | 00:56:37,090 | 沒有到就是我們國民黨的 |
| 00:56:37,090 | 00:56:39,090 | 例如溫小林跟廖偉祥 |
| 00:56:39,090 | 00:56:41,090 | 的版本有提到將 |
| 00:56:41,090 | 00:56:43,090 | 男性的賠償價跟賠償價能夠 |
| 00:56:43,090 | 00:56:45,090 | 提升到14天然後 |
| 00:56:45,090 | 00:56:47,090 | 過渡不可應受過者 |
| 00:56:47,090 | 00:56:49,090 | 請產檢假或產假 |
| 00:56:49,090 | 00:56:51,090 | 賠償假跟賠償 |
| 00:56:51,090 | 00:56:53,090 | 價視為缺勤而影響 |
| 00:56:53,090 | 00:56:55,090 | 全錢獎金還有好機 |
| 00:56:55,090 | 00:56:57,090 | 那我們剛剛講到OECD38 |
| 00:56:57,090 | 00:56:59,090 | 會員國當中所有的 |
| 00:56:59,090 | 00:57:01,090 | 孕婦都是至少14週的 |
| 00:57:01,090 | 00:57:03,090 | 產假其中英國更高達 |
| 00:57:03,090 | 00:57:05,090 | 9個月的帶薪產假 |
| 00:57:05,090 | 00:57:07,090 | 雖然他們的大概9個月的那個 |
| 00:57:07,090 | 00:57:09,090 | 平均薪資大概是90% |
| 00:57:09,090 | 00:57:11,090 | 不過還是優於我們 |
| 00:57:11,090 | 00:57:13,090 | 現在的版本 |
| 00:57:13,090 | 00:57:15,090 | 優於12週的這個版本 |
| 00:57:16,740 | 00:57:18,740 | 謝謝大家 |
| 00:57:18,230 | 00:57:20,230 | 好那我們現在沒有 |
| 00:57:20,230 | 00:57:22,230 | 現在這一輪沒有公示 |
| 00:57:22,230 | 00:57:24,230 | 我們就先行保留 |
| 00:57:24,230 | 00:57:26,230 | 第15條保留 |
| 00:57:26,800 | 00:57:28,800 | 接下來我們 |
| 00:57:28,230 | 00:57:30,230 | 針對第16條 |
| 00:57:30,230 | 00:57:32,230 | 請我們的行政部門先做說明 |
| 00:57:33,890 | 00:57:35,890 | 嗯 |
| 00:57:35,270 | 00:57:37,270 | 16條的部分勞動部這邊補充說明 |
| 00:57:37,270 | 00:57:39,270 | 上次討論的時候 |
| 00:57:39,270 | 00:57:41,270 | 委員在關心的是16條 |
| 00:57:41,270 | 00:57:43,270 | 照顧 |
| 00:57:43,270 | 00:57:45,270 | 子女的年齡的部分 |
| 00:57:45,270 | 00:57:47,270 | 那這邊先補充說明我們勞動部 |
| 00:57:47,270 | 00:57:49,270 | 規劃這個 |
| 00:57:49,270 | 00:57:51,270 | 我們院板的照顧 |
| 00:57:51,270 | 00:57:53,270 | 輔育6歲以下子女 |
| 00:57:53,270 | 00:57:55,270 | 其實是依著現在的這個 |
| 00:57:55,270 | 00:57:57,270 | 父母親照顧需求 |
| 00:57:57,270 | 00:57:59,270 | 來做設計 |
| 00:57:59,270 | 00:58:01,270 | 那這個需求呢其實我們有跟 |
| 00:58:01,270 | 00:58:03,270 | 衛福部這邊有 |
| 00:58:03,270 | 00:58:05,270 | 請教我們 |
| 00:58:05,270 | 00:58:07,270 | 我這邊跟委員報告一個數字喔 |
| 00:58:07,270 | 00:58:09,270 | 比如說像長病毒 |
| 00:58:09,270 | 00:58:11,270 | 以長病毒為例 |
| 00:58:11,270 | 00:58:13,270 | 2025年長病毒門診 |
| 00:58:13,270 | 00:58:15,270 | 急診累積的就診人次喔 |
| 00:58:15,270 | 00:58:17,270 | 依年齡來看 |
| 00:58:17,270 | 00:58:19,270 | 0到2歲的話是10萬 |
| 00:58:19,270 | 00:58:21,270 | 2025年是10萬 |
| 00:58:21,270 | 00:58:23,270 | 7955人 |
| 00:58:23,270 | 00:58:25,270 | 那3到5歲的話是10萬 |
| 00:58:25,270 | 00:58:27,270 | 7327人 |
| 00:58:27,270 | 00:58:29,270 | 那如果再大一點 |
| 00:58:29,270 | 00:58:31,270 | 到6到8歲其實就會降到 |
| 00:58:31,270 | 00:58:33,270 | 7萬多7萬3704人 |
| 00:58:33,270 | 00:58:35,270 | 如果再大一點 |
| 00:58:35,270 | 00:58:37,270 | 9到12歲其實就降的更多 |
| 00:58:37,270 | 00:58:39,270 | 到50881人 |
| 00:58:39,270 | 00:58:41,270 | 50881人 |
| 00:58:41,270 | 00:58:43,270 | 所以其實 |
| 00:58:43,270 | 00:58:45,270 | 從這個長病毒的 |
| 00:58:45,270 | 00:58:47,270 | 這個照顧發生率來看 |
| 00:58:47,270 | 00:58:49,270 | 其實事實上6歲以前的 |
| 00:58:49,270 | 00:58:51,270 | 小朋友他其實被傳染的 |
| 00:58:51,270 | 00:58:53,270 | 這個機率其實是 |
| 00:58:53,270 | 00:58:55,270 | 大很多所以這個照顧需求的部分 |
| 00:58:55,270 | 00:58:57,270 | 我們這邊補充的是 |
| 00:58:57,270 | 00:58:59,270 | 第一點是從生病的狀況 |
| 00:58:59,270 | 00:59:01,270 | 第二個部分是 |
| 00:59:01,270 | 00:59:03,270 | 從人數的部分喔 |
| 00:59:03,270 | 00:59:05,270 | 目前受私人機關 |
| 00:59:05,270 | 00:59:07,270 | 僱用的人數 |
| 00:59:07,270 | 00:59:09,270 | 目前有未滿3歲子女的 |
| 00:59:09,270 | 00:59:11,270 | 受僱者是31萬6 |
| 00:59:11,270 | 00:59:13,270 | 那這31萬6 |
| 00:59:13,270 | 00:59:15,270 | 的受僱者其實是依照 |
| 00:59:15,270 | 00:59:17,270 | 我們性供法現在是可以 |
| 00:59:17,270 | 00:59:19,270 | 申請這個孕育流停 |
| 00:59:19,270 | 00:59:21,270 | 那我們現在院版 |
| 00:59:21,270 | 00:59:23,270 | 的提出來的版本是未滿 |
| 00:59:23,270 | 00:59:25,270 | 6歲其實增加人數 |
| 00:59:25,270 | 00:59:27,270 | 就達到了71萬名的 |
| 00:59:27,270 | 00:59:29,270 | 受僱者也就是這71萬名 |
| 00:59:29,270 | 00:59:31,270 | 受僱者在未來院版通過 |
| 00:59:31,270 | 00:59:33,270 | 以後他們是可以申請孕育流停 |
| 00:59:33,270 | 00:59:35,270 | 跟16條之一的育兒假 |
| 00:59:35,270 | 00:59:37,270 | 這也就代表說 |
| 00:59:37,270 | 00:59:39,270 | 剛剛在產假 |
| 00:59:39,270 | 00:59:41,270 | 部分有提到的他們其實 |
| 00:59:41,270 | 00:59:43,270 | 可以離開職場照顧那同 |
| 00:59:43,270 | 00:59:45,270 | 時間這些職位的 |
| 00:59:45,270 | 00:59:47,270 | 同事因此就會 |
| 00:59:47,270 | 00:59:49,270 | 要cover他們所以他的影響 |
| 00:59:49,270 | 00:59:51,270 | 程度我們同時也評估這71萬 |
| 00:59:51,270 | 00:59:53,270 | 人在我們台灣產業 |
| 00:59:53,270 | 00:59:55,270 | 之下有八成是 |
| 00:59:55,270 | 00:59:57,270 | 五人以下的企業 |
| 00:59:57,270 | 00:59:59,270 | 然後幾乎有98% |
| 00:59:59,270 | 01:00:01,270 | 是這個中小微企業的 |
| 01:00:01,270 | 01:00:03,270 | 狀況之下我們會 |
| 01:00:03,270 | 01:00:05,270 | 評估兼顧之下在16條 |
| 01:00:05,270 | 01:00:07,270 | 育兒流停跟16之一的育兒假 |
| 01:00:07,270 | 01:00:09,270 | 因此年齡上面我們 |
| 01:00:09,270 | 01:00:11,270 | 才會規劃用6歲的部分 |
| 01:00:11,270 | 01:00:13,270 | 去做處理這是勞動部 |
| 01:00:13,270 | 01:00:15,270 | 再補充說明的部分 |
| 01:00:16,240 | 01:00:18,240 | 針對這一條我還是要 |
| 01:00:18,240 | 01:00:20,240 | 再次的強調 |
| 01:00:20,240 | 01:00:22,240 | 因為孩子進入到幼兒園 |
| 01:00:22,240 | 01:00:24,240 | 階段本來就 |
| 01:00:24,240 | 01:00:26,240 | 疾病很 |
| 01:00:26,240 | 01:00:28,240 | 尤其是交互感染可是 |
| 01:00:28,240 | 01:00:30,240 | 大家會覺得說6歲以下 |
| 01:00:30,240 | 01:00:32,240 | 已經從3歲延伸到6歲已經不錯 |
| 01:00:32,240 | 01:00:34,240 | 可是基本上我們還是 |
| 01:00:34,240 | 01:00:36,240 | 覺得小一小二 |
| 01:00:36,240 | 01:00:38,240 | 第一個還要適應 |
| 01:00:38,240 | 01:00:40,240 | 第二個事實上是 |
| 01:00:40,240 | 01:00:42,240 | 在與學校只有半天 |
| 01:00:42,240 | 01:00:44,240 | 只有一個是全天其他 |
| 01:00:44,240 | 01:00:46,240 | 都是半天的時間 |
| 01:00:47,780 | 01:00:49,780 | 現在還是會面對他有很多需求 |
| 01:00:49,780 | 01:00:51,780 | 要來針對於孩子 |
| 01:00:51,780 | 01:00:53,780 | 的照顧上 |
| 01:00:53,780 | 01:00:55,780 | 所以我們會認為說那是不是 |
| 01:00:55,780 | 01:00:57,780 | 可以到8歲 |
| 01:00:57,780 | 01:00:59,780 | 而不是現在勞動部的版本6歲 |
| 01:00:59,780 | 01:01:01,780 | 因為跟實際上 |
| 01:01:01,780 | 01:01:03,780 | 孩子或家庭的需求事實上是有落差的 |
| 01:01:03,780 | 01:01:05,780 | 所以這次修法我們還是希望 |
| 01:01:05,780 | 01:01:07,780 | 是不是延長到8歲 |
| 01:01:07,780 | 01:01:09,780 | 而非是現在提出來6歲的確 |
| 01:01:09,780 | 01:01:11,780 | 我們知道3歲延長到6歲 |
| 01:01:11,780 | 01:01:13,780 | 有往常足進步 |
| 01:01:13,780 | 01:01:15,780 | 可是甚至有委員提到 |
| 01:01:15,780 | 01:01:17,780 | 可是我認為到8歲就已經差不多 |
| 01:01:17,780 | 01:01:19,780 | 為什麼因為畢竟小一小二 |
| 01:01:19,780 | 01:01:21,780 | 他在幼小銜接 |
| 01:01:21,780 | 01:01:23,780 | 然後再加上他只有半天的時間 |
| 01:01:23,780 | 01:01:25,780 | 的就讀 |
| 01:01:25,780 | 01:01:27,780 | 需要有些是家長要來 |
| 01:01:27,780 | 01:01:29,780 | 可能因為這樣的狀況 |
| 01:01:29,780 | 01:01:31,780 | 而需要請假 |
| 01:01:31,780 | 01:01:33,780 | 所以我覺得對於延長兩年的 |
| 01:01:33,780 | 01:01:35,780 | 實際影響上次 |
| 01:01:35,780 | 01:01:37,780 | 大概也請勞動部評估 |
| 01:01:37,780 | 01:01:39,780 | 所以是不是我請說 |
| 01:01:39,780 | 01:01:41,780 | 要有兩個數據第一個是現行的願意價 |
| 01:01:41,780 | 01:01:43,780 | 留職停薪的實際請 |
| 01:01:43,780 | 01:01:45,780 | 申請率大概是多少 |
| 01:01:45,780 | 01:01:47,780 | 第二個事實上是放寬到8歲之後 |
| 01:01:47,780 | 01:01:49,780 | 預估會有多少原本 |
| 01:01:49,780 | 01:01:51,780 | 申請不到家庭受惠 |
| 01:01:51,780 | 01:01:53,780 | 這個我等一下也請勞動部做一個說明 |
| 01:01:55,690 | 01:01:57,690 | 蘇金璇委員 |
| 01:01:58,620 | 01:02:00,620 | 那 |
| 01:02:00,650 | 01:02:02,650 | 我是非常贊同我們部長講的 |
| 01:02:02,650 | 01:02:04,650 | 事實上大家 |
| 01:02:04,650 | 01:02:06,650 | 講AI啦講什麼晶片 |
| 01:02:06,650 | 01:02:08,650 | 算力啦 |
| 01:02:08,650 | 01:02:10,650 | 這些就職的 |
| 01:02:10,650 | 01:02:12,650 | 勞工算一算差不多90萬人 |
| 01:02:12,650 | 01:02:14,650 | 而已 |
| 01:02:14,650 | 01:02:16,650 | 如果把相關的拉進去差不多 |
| 01:02:16,650 | 01:02:18,650 | 120萬 |
| 01:02:18,650 | 01:02:20,650 | 事實上我們傳統產業的 |
| 01:02:20,650 | 01:02:22,650 | 1000多萬人 |
| 01:02:22,010 | 01:02:24,010 | 那這些中小企業 |
| 01:02:24,120 | 01:02:26,120 | 無限上剛一直講 |
| 01:02:26,120 | 01:02:28,120 | 我是覺得這是要考量的 |
| 01:02:28,120 | 01:02:30,120 | 所以 |
| 01:02:29,450 | 01:02:31,450 | 保守的比較好 |
| 01:02:31,450 | 01:02:33,450 | 我的案是 |
| 01:02:33,450 | 01:02:35,450 | 第三第十六第十七 |
| 01:02:36,900 | 01:02:38,900 | 就是把它育嬰流停 |
| 01:02:38,900 | 01:02:40,900 | 育嬰改成育兒 |
| 01:02:40,900 | 01:02:42,900 | 那兩年變成 |
| 01:02:44,200 | 01:02:46,200 | 就是期間可以申請 |
| 01:02:46,200 | 01:02:48,200 | 兩年變成三年 |
| 01:02:48,200 | 01:02:50,200 | 然後到六歲為止 |
| 01:02:50,200 | 01:02:52,200 | 我想這個是比較考量 |
| 01:02:52,200 | 01:02:54,200 | 比較折衷 |
| 01:02:54,200 | 01:02:56,200 | 不要大家無限上剛 |
| 01:02:56,200 | 01:02:58,200 | 要發火要發燒大家也很會發 |
| 01:02:58,200 | 01:03:00,200 | 要發 |
| 01:03:00,200 | 01:03:02,200 | 企業做不下去這也是大家要考量的 |
| 01:03:02,200 | 01:03:04,200 | 以上 |
| 01:03:07,340 | 01:03:09,340 | 還有沒有其他委員會 |
| 01:03:12,520 | 01:03:14,520 | 這個有關於放寬 |
| 01:03:14,520 | 01:03:16,520 | 是到六歲還是到八歲 |
| 01:03:16,520 | 01:03:18,520 | 我覺得真的要看那個 |
| 01:03:18,520 | 01:03:20,520 | 孩子的情況 |
| 01:03:20,520 | 01:03:22,520 | 那我跟抓尾的意見 |
| 01:03:22,520 | 01:03:24,520 | 是一樣的就是說 |
| 01:03:25,460 | 01:03:27,460 | 國小低年級的孩子 |
| 01:03:27,460 | 01:03:29,460 | 他真的需要父母照顧的地方 |
| 01:03:29,460 | 01:03:31,460 | 是比較多的 |
| 01:03:31,460 | 01:03:33,460 | 那所以我十六條這邊 |
| 01:03:33,460 | 01:03:35,460 | 因為他是留止停薪 |
| 01:03:35,460 | 01:03:37,460 | 我沒有那麼堅持 |
| 01:03:37,460 | 01:03:39,460 | 但是十六條之一 |
| 01:03:39,460 | 01:03:41,460 | 我是很堅持因為那是育兒假 |
| 01:03:41,460 | 01:03:43,460 | 就是剛大家講的孩子會有狀況的時候 |
| 01:03:43,460 | 01:03:45,460 | 他需要 |
| 01:03:45,460 | 01:03:47,460 | 一天一天請假的 |
| 01:03:47,460 | 01:03:49,460 | 那剛特別提到的這個 |
| 01:03:49,460 | 01:03:51,460 | 腸病毒不會只有在六歲以下 |
| 01:03:51,460 | 01:03:53,460 | 這個低年級的孩子 |
| 01:03:53,460 | 01:03:55,460 | 在學校裡面傳染他可能就停課 |
| 01:03:55,460 | 01:03:57,460 | 然後 |
| 01:03:57,460 | 01:03:59,460 | 特別是因為低年級的孩子他不能單獨在家 |
| 01:03:59,460 | 01:04:01,460 | 他需要有大人的陪伴 |
| 01:04:01,460 | 01:04:03,460 | 這個才是重點 |
| 01:04:03,460 | 01:04:05,460 | 那所以其實實務上真的遇到 |
| 01:04:05,460 | 01:04:07,460 | 很多家長他是會 |
| 01:04:07,460 | 01:04:09,460 | 因為孩子生病 |
| 01:04:09,460 | 01:04:11,460 | 然後班上因為有人這一種 |
| 01:04:11,460 | 01:04:13,460 | 傳染性疾病停課 |
| 01:04:13,460 | 01:04:15,460 | 然後低年級的孩子他就是需要 |
| 01:04:15,460 | 01:04:17,460 | 家長他要請假在 |
| 01:04:17,460 | 01:04:19,460 | 家裡面陪他他一個人 |
| 01:04:19,460 | 01:04:21,460 | 他會出狀況那所以 |
| 01:04:21,460 | 01:04:23,460 | 十六條因為他是留止停薪 |
| 01:04:23,460 | 01:04:25,460 | 我覺得剛剛趙偉講的也很有道理 |
| 01:04:25,460 | 01:04:27,460 | 就是如果可以放寬再放寬 |
| 01:04:27,460 | 01:04:29,460 | 這個我也贊成 |
| 01:04:29,460 | 01:04:31,460 | 但是十六條之一我是蠻堅持 |
| 01:04:31,460 | 01:04:33,460 | 因為他是育兒假 |
| 01:04:34,530 | 01:04:36,530 | 孩子有狀況的時候 |
| 01:04:36,530 | 01:04:38,530 | 我們應該給家長更大的方便 |
| 01:04:38,530 | 01:04:40,530 | 那既然這一次勞動部 |
| 01:04:40,530 | 01:04:42,530 | 已經願意把育嬰假改成 |
| 01:04:42,530 | 01:04:44,530 | 是育兒假然後讓家長請 |
| 01:04:44,530 | 01:04:46,530 | 那不增加他 |
| 01:04:46,530 | 01:04:48,530 | 天數的情況也不增加 |
| 01:04:48,530 | 01:04:50,530 | 企業成本的情況底下你只是讓他的 |
| 01:04:50,530 | 01:04:52,530 | 方便跟彈性放寬 |
| 01:04:52,530 | 01:04:54,530 | 到八歲 |
| 01:04:54,530 | 01:04:56,530 | 而且是符合實務上 |
| 01:04:56,530 | 01:04:58,530 | 因為他就是一個低年級 |
| 01:04:58,530 | 01:05:00,530 | 一二年級的孩子 |
| 01:05:00,530 | 01:05:02,530 | 他需要家長的這種親子的 |
| 01:05:02,530 | 01:05:04,530 | 角色多一點 |
| 01:05:04,530 | 01:05:06,530 | 所以十六條我覺得可以參考 |
| 01:05:06,530 | 01:05:08,530 | 趙偉的意見如果還可以放寬 |
| 01:05:08,530 | 01:05:10,530 | 因為他是育嬰留止停薪他是比較長的時間 |
| 01:05:10,530 | 01:05:12,530 | 那如果可以放寬可以放寬 |
| 01:05:12,530 | 01:05:14,530 | 但十六條之一我是蠻堅持的 |
| 01:05:14,530 | 01:05:16,530 | 十六條之一的育兒假 |
| 01:05:16,530 | 01:05:18,530 | 應該是要放寬因為那個才是真正 |
| 01:05:18,530 | 01:05:20,530 | 我們去給家長方便 |
| 01:05:20,530 | 01:05:22,530 | 跟彈性謝謝 |
| 01:05:23,590 | 01:05:25,590 | 哦 |
| 01:05:25,860 | 01:05:27,860 | 好感謝趙偉 |
| 01:05:27,860 | 01:05:29,860 | 那個我想十六條跟十六條之一 |
| 01:05:29,860 | 01:05:31,860 | 上一輪大家已經 |
| 01:05:31,860 | 01:05:33,860 | 討論很多了尤其十六條 |
| 01:05:33,860 | 01:05:35,860 | 之一可能大家也很多人會發言 |
| 01:05:35,860 | 01:05:37,860 | 就是十六條之一他可能大家覺得 |
| 01:05:37,860 | 01:05:39,860 | 要延長到八歲的那個 |
| 01:05:39,860 | 01:05:41,860 | 破戒性跟剛剛汪元說的一樣 |
| 01:05:41,860 | 01:05:43,860 | 可能會大家 |
| 01:05:43,860 | 01:05:45,860 | 會更破戒一些些 |
| 01:05:45,860 | 01:05:47,860 | 那不過我想這個不管 |
| 01:05:47,860 | 01:05:49,860 | 是十六條還是十六條之一基本上 |
| 01:05:49,860 | 01:05:51,860 | 放寬的概念其實totally那個 |
| 01:05:51,860 | 01:05:53,860 | 錢並沒有太多 |
| 01:05:53,860 | 01:05:55,860 | 改變沒有什麼改變 |
| 01:05:55,860 | 01:05:57,860 | 所以我建議如果十六條 |
| 01:05:57,860 | 01:05:59,860 | 跟十六條之一都拉平 |
| 01:05:59,860 | 01:06:01,860 | 都是八歲 |
| 01:06:01,860 | 01:06:03,860 | 基本上我也贊成這個 |
| 01:06:03,860 | 01:06:05,860 | 趙偉的一個意見以上 |
| 01:06:06,230 | 01:06:08,230 | 好 趙偉偉 |
| 01:06:15,560 | 01:06:17,560 | 主席好那關於這個 |
| 01:06:17,560 | 01:06:19,560 | 第十六條年齡剛 |
| 01:06:19,560 | 01:06:21,560 | 這個安詳委員已經 |
| 01:06:21,560 | 01:06:23,560 | 關於民眾黨立場安詳委員這邊有做 |
| 01:06:23,560 | 01:06:25,560 | 一個論述那我最主要 |
| 01:06:25,560 | 01:06:27,560 | 是在針對育嬰流體的期間 |
| 01:06:27,560 | 01:06:29,560 | 那現行的這個 |
| 01:06:29,560 | 01:06:31,560 | 育嬰流體的期間是兩年那我們 |
| 01:06:31,560 | 01:06:33,560 | 台灣民眾黨主張能夠拉長為 |
| 01:06:33,560 | 01:06:35,560 | 三年因為三歲之前的小孩 |
| 01:06:35,560 | 01:06:37,560 | 其實他們就是 |
| 01:06:37,560 | 01:06:39,560 | 很多父母需要照顧 |
| 01:06:39,560 | 01:06:41,560 | 的機會跟 |
| 01:06:41,560 | 01:06:43,560 | 需求所以我們希望能夠提升 |
| 01:06:43,560 | 01:06:45,560 | 長為三年以上說明謝謝 |
| 01:06:46,490 | 01:06:48,490 | 我先一招為 |
| 01:06:48,490 | 01:06:50,490 | 十六條這邊我提的 |
| 01:06:50,490 | 01:06:52,490 | 就是先三歲 |
| 01:06:52,490 | 01:06:54,490 | 以下幼兒主要照顧著我祖父母的 |
| 01:06:54,490 | 01:06:56,490 | 比例二零一六年已經達百分之 |
| 01:06:56,490 | 01:06:58,490 | 三十九根據教育部 |
| 01:06:58,490 | 01:07:00,490 | 研究報告國人除了祖父母的平均 |
| 01:07:00,490 | 01:07:02,490 | 年稅為五十四歲 |
| 01:07:02,490 | 01:07:04,490 | 當一勞動部統計一二年 |
| 01:07:04,490 | 01:07:06,490 | 勞工預計退休年齡平均為 |
| 01:07:06,490 | 01:07:08,490 | 六十一歲所以許多國人 |
| 01:07:08,490 | 01:07:10,490 | 除了祖父母時任會退休 |
| 01:07:10,490 | 01:07:12,490 | 必須面臨工作跟願意 |
| 01:07:12,490 | 01:07:14,490 | 抉擇的兼職女孫的責任 |
| 01:07:14,490 | 01:07:16,490 | 卻無法申請願意留止停薪 |
| 01:07:16,490 | 01:07:18,490 | 為改善 |
| 01:07:18,490 | 01:07:20,490 | 上述情形所以我這邊是 |
| 01:07:20,490 | 01:07:22,490 | 修第一項增訂受僱者 |
| 01:07:22,490 | 01:07:24,490 | 等於照顧年滿三十三 |
| 01:07:24,490 | 01:07:26,490 | 歲以下孫子女為由申請 |
| 01:07:26,490 | 01:07:28,490 | 願意留止停薪以上 |
| 01:07:30,280 | 01:07:32,280 | 好來我們請行政部門說明 |
| 01:07:32,280 | 01:07:34,280 | 好我先針對剛剛 |
| 01:07:34,280 | 01:07:36,280 | 盧委員這邊提到的 |
| 01:07:36,280 | 01:07:38,280 | 這個祖父母的部分 |
| 01:07:38,280 | 01:07:40,280 | 也跟委員報告因為上一次 |
| 01:07:40,280 | 01:07:42,280 | 我們在審查的時候 |
| 01:07:42,280 | 01:07:44,280 | 針對這個議題呢我們其實 |
| 01:07:44,280 | 01:07:46,280 | 在十六之一 |
| 01:07:46,280 | 01:07:48,280 | 這個張偉霖 |
| 01:07:48,280 | 01:07:50,280 | 這邊有一個修正動議 |
| 01:07:50,280 | 01:07:52,280 | 裡面有增加了一個部分就是 |
| 01:07:52,280 | 01:07:54,280 | 這個如果受僱者 |
| 01:07:54,280 | 01:07:56,280 | 基因法院選定或改定 |
| 01:07:56,280 | 01:07:58,280 | 為兒童監護人那增加 |
| 01:07:58,280 | 01:08:00,280 | 這個的原因主要是因為我們其實在 |
| 01:08:00,280 | 01:08:02,280 | 去年的時候其實就 |
| 01:08:02,280 | 01:08:04,280 | 有開始研議剛剛才有提到的 |
| 01:08:04,280 | 01:08:06,280 | 祖父母的部分的確有一些 |
| 01:08:06,280 | 01:08:08,280 | 的小朋友他們 |
| 01:08:08,280 | 01:08:10,280 | 其實在父母 |
| 01:08:10,280 | 01:08:12,280 | 沒有辦法照顧的時候基因法院 |
| 01:08:12,280 | 01:08:14,280 | 如果他裁定了這個 |
| 01:08:14,280 | 01:08:16,280 | 因為裁定監護人 |
| 01:08:16,280 | 01:08:18,280 | 的部分基本上祖父母是 |
| 01:08:18,280 | 01:08:20,280 | 第一順位那我們也 |
| 01:08:20,280 | 01:08:22,280 | 接到了有一些個案就是主父母 |
| 01:08:22,280 | 01:08:24,280 | 他被裁定是法定監護人 |
| 01:08:24,280 | 01:08:26,280 | 的時候他其實要照顧 |
| 01:08:26,279 | 01:08:28,279 | 他所監護的這個孩子的時候其實 |
| 01:08:28,279 | 01:08:30,279 | 也需要我們性供法上面 |
| 01:08:30,279 | 01:08:32,279 | 相關的措施所以這個部分 |
| 01:08:32,279 | 01:08:34,279 | 我們在上一次的委員 |
| 01:08:34,279 | 01:08:36,279 | 的修正動議裡面有把這一塊 |
| 01:08:36,279 | 01:08:38,279 | 加進去謝謝 |
| 01:08:39,710 | 01:08:41,710 | 好不長 |
| 01:08:43,080 | 01:08:45,080 | 第一個是我知道 |
| 01:08:45,080 | 01:08:47,080 | 剛剛王玉明委員 |
| 01:08:47,080 | 01:08:49,080 | 剛剛其實講六歲八歲的問題 |
| 01:08:49,080 | 01:08:51,080 | 當然我們理解 |
| 01:08:51,080 | 01:08:53,080 | 那我 |
| 01:08:53,080 | 01:08:55,080 | 先針對這16條16 |
| 01:08:55,080 | 01:08:57,080 | 之一因為大家剛剛大家一起講 |
| 01:08:57,080 | 01:08:59,080 | 我先講幾個 |
| 01:08:59,080 | 01:09:01,080 | 第一個是說因為 |
| 01:09:01,080 | 01:09:03,080 | 16之一的那個育兒 |
| 01:09:03,080 | 01:09:05,080 | 假他其實一個很大的部分 |
| 01:09:05,080 | 01:09:07,080 | 他會他的育兒假 |
| 01:09:07,080 | 01:09:09,080 | 的概念其實是從育兒流停 |
| 01:09:09,080 | 01:09:11,080 | 去衍生 |
| 01:09:11,080 | 01:09:13,080 | 而來的所以如果 |
| 01:09:13,979 | 01:09:15,979 | 好 |
| 01:09:15,160 | 01:09:17,160 | 這個他們的這個年齡的上限 |
| 01:09:17,160 | 01:09:19,160 | 其實他是要一樣 |
| 01:09:19,160 | 01:09:21,160 | 的這是第一件事情 |
| 01:09:21,160 | 01:09:23,160 | 那第二件事情剛才大家有談到 |
| 01:09:23,160 | 01:09:25,160 | 幾個問題因為剛剛這個 |
| 01:09:25,160 | 01:09:27,160 | 盧委員其實講到說這個 |
| 01:09:27,160 | 01:09:29,160 | 孫子的 |
| 01:09:29,160 | 01:09:31,160 | 這個育孫過去大家 |
| 01:09:31,160 | 01:09:33,160 | 提到這問題那我們回去 |
| 01:09:33,160 | 01:09:35,160 | 我們有做了一些考慮那我們 |
| 01:09:35,160 | 01:09:37,160 | 認為如果就像剛剛 |
| 01:09:37,160 | 01:09:39,160 | 司長說的 |
| 01:09:39,160 | 01:09:41,160 | 如果這個 |
| 01:09:41,160 | 01:09:43,160 | 這個主父母他 |
| 01:09:43,160 | 01:09:45,160 | 其實被法院認裁定為 |
| 01:09:45,160 | 01:09:47,160 | 選定為是 |
| 01:09:47,160 | 01:09:49,160 | 法定的監護人的話 |
| 01:09:49,160 | 01:09:51,160 | 那在這個在這個 |
| 01:09:51,160 | 01:09:53,160 | 前提之下我想我們 |
| 01:09:53,160 | 01:09:55,160 | 可以同意他其實 |
| 01:09:55,160 | 01:09:57,160 | 也有這些相關的這個 |
| 01:09:57,160 | 01:09:59,160 | 權利這是這個我們部分是 |
| 01:09:59,160 | 01:10:01,160 | 可以那在上次審查 |
| 01:10:01,160 | 01:10:03,160 | 的時候也有委員其實 |
| 01:10:03,160 | 01:10:05,160 | 講到因為我們現在 |
| 01:10:05,160 | 01:10:07,160 | 是要 |
| 01:10:06,920 | 01:10:08,920 | 一年就是你再職滿一年 |
| 01:10:08,920 | 01:10:10,920 | 才能夠請這個劉婷 |
| 01:10:10,920 | 01:10:12,920 | 跟育兒家那我們在 |
| 01:10:12,920 | 01:10:14,920 | 十六條 |
| 01:10:14,920 | 01:10:16,920 | 十六條裡面 |
| 01:10:16,920 | 01:10:18,920 | 我們回去以後我們 |
| 01:10:18,920 | 01:10:20,920 | 我們考慮過 |
| 01:10:20,920 | 01:10:22,920 | 以後我們認為其實可以參彩 |
| 01:10:22,920 | 01:10:24,920 | 委員的意見把要 |
| 01:10:24,920 | 01:10:26,920 | 這個滿一年就是 |
| 01:10:26,920 | 01:10:28,920 | 再職滿一年那提前 |
| 01:10:28,920 | 01:10:30,920 | 到滿六個月就可以請因為 |
| 01:10:30,920 | 01:10:32,920 | 有一些可能的確是出入 |
| 01:10:32,920 | 01:10:34,920 | 值得 |
| 01:10:34,420 | 01:10:36,420 | 勞工朋友他在生育的當下 |
| 01:10:36,420 | 01:10:38,420 | 他就有那你要他等一年其實 |
| 01:10:38,420 | 01:10:40,420 | 就會有點不太 |
| 01:10:41,820 | 01:10:42,320 | 得得 |
| 01:10:43,170 | 01:10:45,170 | 但是啊那在救保法的部分 |
| 01:10:45,170 | 01:10:47,170 | 但是我是說這部分等一下在救保法我們會說 |
| 01:10:47,170 | 01:10:49,170 | 就是 |
| 01:10:49,410 | 01:10:51,410 | 可以在原本是 |
| 01:10:51,410 | 01:10:53,410 | 一年的部分可以我們會 |
| 01:10:53,410 | 01:10:55,410 | 把他提前放到六個月 |
| 01:10:55,410 | 01:10:57,410 | 就可以請了 |
| 01:10:57,410 | 01:10:59,410 | 我是建議說是不是 |
| 01:10:59,410 | 01:11:01,410 | 這個十六跟十六之一 |
| 01:11:01,410 | 01:11:03,410 | 我認為可能也是需要 |
| 01:11:03,410 | 01:11:05,410 | 保留但我們想要再跟委員 |
| 01:11:05,410 | 01:11:07,410 | 有機會再做一點溝通好不好 |
| 01:11:07,410 | 01:11:09,410 | 這樣子 |
| 01:11:09,610 | 01:11:11,610 | 有見過委員 |
| 01:11:11,610 | 01:11:13,610 | 對不起謝謝 |
| 01:11:13,340 | 01:11:15,340 | 補充一點 |
| 01:11:15,340 | 01:11:17,340 | 之前在質詢的時候就特別跟部長 |
| 01:11:17,340 | 01:11:19,340 | 提醒 |
| 01:11:20,530 | 01:11:22,530 | 針對 |
| 01:11:21,720 | 01:11:23,720 | 這個吃晚餓漫威天使喊病 |
| 01:11:24,640 | 01:11:26,640 | 還有特殊必須要照顧的這些 |
| 01:11:26,640 | 01:11:28,640 | 這些小朋友 |
| 01:11:28,640 | 01:11:30,640 | 的這樣的一個 |
| 01:11:30,640 | 01:11:32,640 | 一個年輕爸爸媽媽 |
| 01:11:32,640 | 01:11:34,640 | 在整個這個 |
| 01:11:34,640 | 01:11:36,640 | 育嬰假育兒假的情況之下 |
| 01:11:36,640 | 01:11:38,640 | 要多做一些思考 |
| 01:11:40,070 | 01:11:42,070 | 我想我們是不是能再多做一點點 |
| 01:11:42,070 | 01:11:44,070 | 這個部分 |
| 01:11:44,070 | 01:11:46,070 | 真的拜託部長再 |
| 01:11:46,070 | 01:11:48,070 | 跟市長再想一下 |
| 01:11:48,070 | 01:11:50,070 | 因為 |
| 01:11:50,310 | 01:11:52,310 | 勞工部現在設定的是 |
| 01:11:52,310 | 01:11:54,310 | 六歲以下最長兩年 |
| 01:11:54,310 | 01:11:56,310 | 對一般的健康的 |
| 01:11:56,310 | 01:11:58,310 | 孩子來說是一個很適合 |
| 01:11:58,310 | 01:12:00,310 | 的標準但是如果對 |
| 01:12:00,310 | 01:12:02,310 | 有我剛剛特別提到 |
| 01:12:02,310 | 01:12:04,310 | 針對有早療的需求或是 |
| 01:12:04,310 | 01:12:06,310 | 發展遲疏的孩子 |
| 01:12:06,310 | 01:12:08,310 | 那情況是大大不相同 |
| 01:12:08,310 | 01:12:10,310 | 這是第一點因為 |
| 01:12:10,310 | 01:12:12,310 | 六到六歲是一個黃金的 |
| 01:12:12,310 | 01:12:14,310 | 治療的一個時期 |
| 01:12:14,160 | 01:12:16,160 | 然後 |
| 01:12:16,030 | 01:12:18,030 | 對這些家庭而言 |
| 01:12:18,030 | 01:12:20,030 | 也是一個讓這個 |
| 01:12:20,030 | 01:12:22,030 | 年輕的父母 |
| 01:12:22,030 | 01:12:24,030 | 容易崩潰的一個 |
| 01:12:24,030 | 01:12:26,030 | 難關 |
| 01:12:26,030 | 01:12:28,030 | 因為孩子其實常在 |
| 01:12:28,030 | 01:12:30,030 | 銜接國小七到八歲的階段 |
| 01:12:30,030 | 01:12:32,030 | 還要再面對一個全新的 |
| 01:12:32,030 | 01:12:34,030 | 一個環境 |
| 01:12:34,030 | 01:12:36,030 | 所以這個小朋友是 |
| 01:12:36,030 | 01:12:38,030 | 急需要父母這個 |
| 01:12:38,030 | 01:12:40,030 | 集大的陪伴跟協助 |
| 01:12:40,030 | 01:12:42,030 | 但是真的很多早療的家庭 |
| 01:12:42,030 | 01:12:44,030 | 在孩子幼兒園時期 |
| 01:12:44,030 | 01:12:46,030 | 要帶這個孩子 |
| 01:12:46,030 | 01:12:48,030 | 的平穩的出入 |
| 01:12:48,030 | 01:12:50,030 | 去接受醫院的語言 |
| 01:12:50,030 | 01:12:52,030 | 物理心理等相關的治療 |
| 01:12:52,030 | 01:12:54,030 | 所以這兩年的額度 |
| 01:12:54,030 | 01:12:56,030 | 他很早就會用完了 |
| 01:12:56,110 | 01:12:58,110 | 很早就用完了 |
| 01:12:58,110 | 01:13:00,110 | 所以等到這個孩子 |
| 01:13:00,110 | 01:13:02,110 | 小朋友上個校學 |
| 01:13:02,110 | 01:13:04,110 | 也是真正需要家長陪伴的時期 |
| 01:13:04,110 | 01:13:06,110 | 假都已經沒有了 |
| 01:13:06,110 | 01:13:08,110 | 所以很多父母到最後只能被迫 |
| 01:13:08,110 | 01:13:10,110 | 要永遠離開這個職場 |
| 01:13:11,160 | 01:13:13,160 | 然後這也為什麼我一直 |
| 01:13:13,160 | 01:13:15,160 | 會積極的提醒 |
| 01:13:15,160 | 01:13:17,160 | 然後具體建議 |
| 01:13:17,160 | 01:13:19,160 | 要增加這個但數 |
| 01:13:19,160 | 01:13:21,160 | 如果針對經過有 |
| 01:13:21,160 | 01:13:23,160 | 貧苦早療遲晚或喊病需求 |
| 01:13:23,160 | 01:13:25,160 | 的孩子能不能 |
| 01:13:25,160 | 01:13:27,160 | 將流停適用的年齡放寬 |
| 01:13:27,160 | 01:13:29,160 | 適當 |
| 01:13:29,160 | 01:13:31,160 | 這個 |
| 01:13:32,200 | 01:13:34,200 | 當這個兒童的情 |
| 01:13:34,200 | 01:13:36,200 | 把這個照顧這個兒童情形 |
| 01:13:36,200 | 01:13:38,200 | 可以再延長一些 |
| 01:13:38,830 | 01:13:40,830 | 但是他的放寬還是要有但數 |
| 01:13:40,830 | 01:13:42,830 | 就是說當家長 |
| 01:13:42,830 | 01:13:44,830 | 他必須要提供 |
| 01:13:44,830 | 01:13:46,830 | 醫師或是相關的專業人員 |
| 01:13:46,830 | 01:13:48,830 | 開立證明作為依據來申請 |
| 01:13:50,240 | 01:13:52,240 | 然後來讓主管機關來做相關的評估之後 |
| 01:13:52,240 | 01:13:54,240 | 才做這樣的決定 |
| 01:13:57,720 | 01:13:59,720 | 能不能思考一下 |
| 01:14:00,870 | 01:14:02,870 | 謝謝部長謝謝市長 |
| 01:14:03,000 | 01:14:05,000 | 謝謝 |
| 01:14:04,010 | 01:14:06,010 | 我們希望功德圓滿 |
| 01:14:05,970 | 01:14:07,970 | 謝謝 |
| 01:14:07,540 | 01:14:09,540 | 所以 |
| 01:14:09,540 | 01:14:11,540 | 我還是要講 |
| 01:14:11,540 | 01:14:13,540 | 因為第16條 |
| 01:14:13,540 | 01:14:15,540 | 之一當時為什麼 |
| 01:14:15,540 | 01:14:17,540 | 提出這樣的版本 |
| 01:14:17,540 | 01:14:19,540 | 因為現行事實上有家庭越來越 |
| 01:14:19,540 | 01:14:21,540 | 多元以外主要事實上 |
| 01:14:21,540 | 01:14:23,540 | 很多家庭可能 |
| 01:14:23,540 | 01:14:25,540 | 功能事實上是 |
| 01:14:25,540 | 01:14:27,540 | 是功能的那可能孩子就是 |
| 01:14:27,540 | 01:14:29,540 | 丟給自己的姐妹 |
| 01:14:29,540 | 01:14:31,540 | 或者是自己的爸媽 |
| 01:14:31,540 | 01:14:33,540 | 然後人就不見了 |
| 01:14:33,540 | 01:14:35,540 | 比較希望事實上當這些 |
| 01:14:35,540 | 01:14:37,540 | 照顧者能夠真的是 |
| 01:14:37,540 | 01:14:39,540 | 獲得同樣同等 |
| 01:14:39,540 | 01:14:41,540 | 的位置 |
| 01:14:41,540 | 01:14:43,540 | 所以在16條之一為什麼會認為 |
| 01:14:43,540 | 01:14:45,540 | 應該金法院認定 |
| 01:14:45,540 | 01:14:47,540 | 選定監護人的時候同時 |
| 01:14:47,540 | 01:14:49,540 | 他也有享有這樣子的 |
| 01:14:49,540 | 01:14:51,540 | 我覺得反而法條 |
| 01:14:51,540 | 01:14:53,540 | 有時候在做的時候可能還是要去 |
| 01:14:53,540 | 01:14:55,540 | 思考到若是處境的人 |
| 01:14:55,540 | 01:14:57,540 | 甚至有沒有能夠平等 |
| 01:14:57,540 | 01:14:59,540 | 的被對待或者的話他們 |
| 01:14:59,540 | 01:15:01,540 | 在照顧上可能會比所謂 |
| 01:15:01,540 | 01:15:03,540 | 今天剛剛 |
| 01:15:03,540 | 01:15:05,540 | 當然周偉講說 |
| 01:15:05,540 | 01:15:07,540 | 那個阿公阿嬤 |
| 01:15:07,540 | 01:15:09,540 | 後面可以去討論可是我覺得 |
| 01:15:09,540 | 01:15:11,540 | 如果要擴及的話應該先 |
| 01:15:11,540 | 01:15:13,540 | 若事實上是應該要 |
| 01:15:13,540 | 01:15:15,540 | 優先去做考量 |
| 01:15:15,540 | 01:15:17,540 | 否則如果說 |
| 01:15:17,540 | 01:15:19,540 | 家長又有阿公阿嬤 |
| 01:15:19,540 | 01:15:21,540 | 到底那個進合關係 |
| 01:15:21,540 | 01:15:23,540 | 怎麼做否則要花更多 |
| 01:15:23,540 | 01:15:25,540 | 的功夫去做查核 |
| 01:15:25,540 | 01:15:27,540 | 因為過去在保母在給 |
| 01:15:29,420 | 01:15:31,420 | 阿公阿嬤所謂的 |
| 01:15:31,420 | 01:15:33,420 | 津貼的時候 |
| 01:15:33,420 | 01:15:35,420 | 那真的是花很多力氣去 |
| 01:15:35,420 | 01:15:37,420 | 做查核實質上沒有帶 |
| 01:15:37,420 | 01:15:39,420 | 可是 |
| 01:15:39,660 | 01:15:41,660 | 卻要為了領津貼說 |
| 01:15:41,660 | 01:15:43,660 | 報陳氏阿公阿嬤在待 |
| 01:15:43,660 | 01:15:45,660 | 所以我覺得這可能要去思考 |
| 01:15:45,660 | 01:15:47,660 | 這一點 |
| 01:15:47,660 | 01:15:49,660 | 那既然十五跟十六 |
| 01:15:49,660 | 01:15:51,660 | 十六條之一 |
| 01:15:51,660 | 01:15:53,660 | 我們現在現行保留表示我們還有 |
| 01:15:53,660 | 01:15:55,660 | 很多要溝通的 |
| 01:15:55,660 | 01:15:57,660 | 那我覺得暫時休息 |
| 01:15:57,660 | 01:15:59,660 | 時間 |
| 01:15:59,660 | 01:16:01,660 | 你要休息一下我再補充一下好不好 |
| 01:16:01,660 | 01:16:03,660 | 因為你特別提到阿公阿嬤 |
| 01:16:03,810 | 01:16:05,810 | 那對 |
| 01:16:05,810 | 01:16:07,810 | 我自己也提到 |
| 01:16:07,810 | 01:16:09,810 | 單媽跟單爸 |
| 01:16:10,170 | 01:16:12,170 | 要不然就一定要思考 |
| 01:16:14,490 | 01:16:16,490 | 好 |
| 01:16:16,630 | 01:16:18,630 | 對 |
| 01:16:17,750 | 01:16:19,750 | 對啦單親啦 |
| 01:16:19,750 | 01:16:21,750 | 單親有單爸跟單媽 |
| 01:16:21,750 | 01:16:23,750 | 是單親還是乾 |
| 01:16:24,210 | 01:16:26,210 | 對 |
| 01:16:25,460 | 01:16:27,460 | 單親喔 |
| 01:16:26,960 | 01:16:28,960 | 單爸單媽 |
| 01:16:29,540 | 01:16:31,540 | 好 |
| 01:16:30,490 | 01:16:32,490 | 我覺得花音也不標準嗎 |
| 01:16:36,090 | 01:16:38,090 | 嗯 |
| 01:16:38,490 | 01:16:40,490 | 好 |
| 01:16:40,170 | 01:16:42,170 | 我請部長他們多多關心 |
| 01:16:42,170 | 01:16:46,170 | 先做一下他剛講的單親這一塊 |
| 01:16:47,450 | 01:16:49,450 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:16:49,230 | 01:16:51,230 | 好 |
| 01:16:50,300 | 01:16:52,300 | 來 |
| 01:16:52,300 | 01:16:54,300 | 人事救保的時候才會討論 |
| 01:16:54,550 | 01:16:56,550 | 哼 |
| 01:17:01,010 | 01:17:03,010 | 我覺得休息一下讓部長跟大家溝通一下 |
| 01:17:03,010 | 01:17:05,010 | 因為都兩條都保留 |
| 01:17:05,010 | 01:17:07,010 | 但後續會更不順暢 |
| 01:17:07,010 | 01:17:09,010 | 因為我們希望還是能順暢進行 |
| 01:17:09,010 | 01:17:11,010 | 否則兩條都在保留 |
| 01:17:11,010 | 01:17:13,010 | 好 |
| 01:17:13,350 | 01:17:15,350 | 我們是要講育兒假跟救保什麼關係 |
| 01:17:20,660 | 01:17:22,660 | 好來我們先休息 |
| 01:17:35,190 | 01:17:37,190 | 謝謝 |
| 01:17:36,890 | 01:17:38,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:38,890 | 01:17:40,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:40,890 | 01:17:42,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:42,890 | 01:17:44,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:44,890 | 01:17:46,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:46,890 | 01:17:48,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:48,890 | 01:17:50,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:50,890 | 01:17:52,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:52,890 | 01:17:54,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:54,890 | 01:17:56,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:56,890 | 01:17:58,890 | 好 |
| 01:17:58,890 | 01:18:00,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:00,890 | 01:18:02,890 | 好 |
| 01:18:02,890 | 01:18:04,890 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:17:51,390 | 01:17:53,390 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:06,980 | 01:18:08,980 | 好 |
| 01:18:10,290 | 01:18:12,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:12,290 | 01:18:14,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:14,290 | 01:18:16,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:16,290 | 01:18:18,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:18,290 | 01:18:20,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:20,290 | 01:18:22,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:22,290 | 01:18:24,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:24,290 | 01:18:26,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:26,290 | 01:18:28,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:28,290 | 01:18:30,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:30,290 | 01:18:32,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:32,290 | 01:18:34,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:34,290 | 01:18:36,290 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:36,290 | 01:18:38,290 | 好 |
| 01:18:15,920 | 01:18:17,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:24,480 | 01:18:26,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:26,480 | 01:18:28,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:28,480 | 01:18:30,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:30,480 | 01:18:32,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:32,480 | 01:18:34,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:34,480 | 01:18:36,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:36,480 | 01:18:38,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:38,480 | 01:18:40,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:40,480 | 01:18:42,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:42,480 | 01:18:44,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:44,480 | 01:18:46,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:46,480 | 01:18:48,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:48,480 | 01:18:50,480 | 好 |
| 01:18:50,480 | 01:18:52,480 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:45,820 | 01:18:47,820 | 好 |
| 01:18:46,720 | 01:18:48,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:48,720 | 01:18:50,720 | 好 |
| 01:18:50,720 | 01:18:52,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:52,720 | 01:18:54,720 | 好 |
| 01:18:54,720 | 01:18:56,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:18:56,720 | 01:18:58,720 | 好 |
| 01:18:58,720 | 01:19:00,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:00,720 | 01:19:02,720 | 好 |
| 01:19:02,720 | 01:19:04,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:04,720 | 01:19:06,720 | 好 |
| 01:19:06,720 | 01:19:08,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:08,720 | 01:19:10,720 | 好 |
| 01:19:10,720 | 01:19:12,720 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:12,720 | 01:19:14,720 | 好 |
| 01:19:24,970 | 01:19:26,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:26,970 | 01:19:28,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:28,970 | 01:19:30,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:30,970 | 01:19:32,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:32,970 | 01:19:34,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:34,970 | 01:19:36,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:36,970 | 01:19:38,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:38,970 | 01:19:40,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:40,970 | 01:19:42,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:42,970 | 01:19:44,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:44,970 | 01:19:46,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:46,970 | 01:19:48,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:48,970 | 01:19:50,970 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:50,970 | 01:19:52,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:34,370 | 01:19:36,370 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:37,020 | 01:19:39,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:39,020 | 01:19:41,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:41,020 | 01:19:43,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:43,020 | 01:19:45,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:45,020 | 01:19:47,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:47,020 | 01:19:49,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:49,020 | 01:19:51,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:51,020 | 01:19:53,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:53,020 | 01:19:55,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:55,020 | 01:19:57,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:57,020 | 01:19:59,020 | 好 |
| 01:19:59,020 | 01:20:01,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:20:01,020 | 01:20:03,020 | 好 |
| 01:20:03,020 | 01:20:05,020 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:41,920 | 01:19:43,920 | 好 |
| 01:19:43,920 | 01:19:45,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:45,920 | 01:19:47,920 | 好 |
| 01:19:47,920 | 01:19:49,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:49,920 | 01:19:51,920 | 好 |
| 01:19:51,920 | 01:19:53,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:53,920 | 01:19:55,920 | 好 |
| 01:19:55,920 | 01:19:57,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:57,920 | 01:19:59,920 | 好 |
| 01:19:59,920 | 01:20:01,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:20:01,920 | 01:20:03,920 | 好 |
| 01:20:03,920 | 01:20:05,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:20:05,920 | 01:20:07,920 | 好 |
| 01:20:07,920 | 01:20:09,920 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:48,770 | 01:19:50,770 | 好 |
| 01:19:53,390 | 01:19:55,390 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:19:56,970 | 01:19:58,970 | 好 |
| 01:19:58,980 | 01:20:00,980 | 就保持住 |
| 01:20:02,400 | 01:20:04,400 | 大家都是日常的 |
| 01:20:04,400 | 01:20:06,400 | 就保持住 |
| 01:20:06,400 | 01:20:08,400 | 好 |
| 01:20:10,030 | 01:20:12,030 | 我們先休息一下 |
| 01:20:13,290 | 01:20:15,290 | 沒有那個什麼下落 |
| 01:20:16,050 | 01:20:18,050 | 沒關係 |
| 01:20:18,050 | 01:20:20,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:20,050 | 01:20:22,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:22,050 | 01:20:24,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:24,050 | 01:20:26,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:26,050 | 01:20:28,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:28,050 | 01:20:30,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:30,050 | 01:20:32,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:32,050 | 01:20:34,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:34,050 | 01:20:36,050 | 那個 |
| 01:20:36,050 | 01:20:38,050 | 那個 |
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| 01:20:55,530 | 01:20:57,530 | 那個 |
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| 01:29:29,280 | 01:29:31,280 | 那個 |
| 01:29:40,570 | 01:29:42,570 | 好,我們現在繼續審查 |
| 01:29:42,570 | 01:29:44,570 | 那接下來是 |
| 01:29:44,570 | 01:29:46,570 | 十六條之二 |
| 01:29:46,570 | 01:29:48,570 | 請行政部門說明 |
| 01:30:01,300 | 01:30:03,300 | 十六條之二的部分是 |
| 01:30:03,300 | 01:30:05,300 | 這邊的提案裡面 |
| 01:30:05,300 | 01:30:07,300 | 會涉及到的是其實 |
| 01:30:07,300 | 01:30:09,300 | 會跟十六條之一我們 |
| 01:30:09,300 | 01:30:11,300 | 預而假 |
| 01:30:11,190 | 01:30:13,190 | 相關請假的事由 |
| 01:30:13,190 | 01:30:15,190 | 我們現在十六條之一設計 |
| 01:30:15,190 | 01:30:17,190 | 的是子女 |
| 01:30:17,190 | 01:30:19,190 | 在滿七歲 |
| 01:30:19,190 | 01:30:21,190 | 滿六歲 |
| 01:30:21,190 | 01:30:23,190 | 六歲以下的子女 |
| 01:30:23,190 | 01:30:25,190 | 然後在滿七歲前可以請 |
| 01:30:25,190 | 01:30:27,190 | 預而假,但是它是有明定 |
| 01:30:27,190 | 01:30:29,190 | 法定的事由,那那個法定 |
| 01:30:29,190 | 01:30:31,190 | 的事由包含子女生病 |
| 01:30:31,190 | 01:30:33,190 | 包含子女有相關的需要照顧 |
| 01:30:33,190 | 01:30:35,190 | 的需求,當然也包含 |
| 01:30:35,190 | 01:30:37,190 | 十六之二這邊所提到的 |
| 01:30:37,190 | 01:30:39,190 | 這個參加相關子女 |
| 01:30:39,190 | 01:30:41,190 | 的這個教育活動 |
| 01:30:41,190 | 01:30:43,190 | 所以事由的部分的確 |
| 01:30:43,190 | 01:30:45,190 | 事由包含在我們十六條之一的 |
| 01:30:45,190 | 01:30:47,190 | 預而假,只是期間的部分 |
| 01:30:47,190 | 01:30:49,190 | 我們建議就是 |
| 01:30:49,190 | 01:30:51,190 | 並同預而假的十六條之一 |
| 01:30:51,190 | 01:30:53,190 | 一起討論 |
| 01:30:53,690 | 01:30:55,690 | 是,可以發言一下嗎 |
| 01:30:55,690 | 01:30:57,690 | 好,就位,好,謝謝主席 |
| 01:30:57,690 | 01:30:59,690 | 那當然十六條之一 |
| 01:30:59,690 | 01:31:01,690 | 我們台灣民眾黨的立場 |
| 01:31:01,690 | 01:31:03,690 | 是覺得說因為父母生兒育女 |
| 01:31:03,690 | 01:31:05,690 | 真的非常辛苦,那在照顧 |
| 01:31:05,690 | 01:31:07,690 | 小孩的成長過程,真的要 |
| 01:31:07,690 | 01:31:09,690 | 付出相當的心力,而且有時候 |
| 01:31:09,690 | 01:31:11,690 | 學校有一些事情要處理 |
| 01:31:11,690 | 01:31:13,690 | 欠缺足夠的假來 |
| 01:31:13,690 | 01:31:15,690 | 支撐,所以我們當然就是 |
| 01:31:15,690 | 01:31:17,690 | 以往爭取多假 |
| 01:31:17,690 | 01:31:19,690 | 的方向去前進 |
| 01:31:19,690 | 01:31:21,690 | 那既然十六條跟十六 |
| 01:31:21,690 | 01:31:23,690 | 條之一都保留,那當然 |
| 01:31:23,690 | 01:31:25,690 | 這也都,十六 |
| 01:31:25,690 | 01:31:27,690 | 條之二也涉及十六條之一 |
| 01:31:27,690 | 01:31:29,690 | 所以我們想說是不是這一條也 |
| 01:31:29,690 | 01:31:31,690 | 保留,那到時候再一起來做一個 |
| 01:31:31,690 | 01:31:33,690 | 整體規劃的討論,以上說明 |
| 01:31:33,690 | 01:31:35,690 | 謝謝 |
| 01:31:37,640 | 01:31:39,640 | 嗯 |
| 01:31:38,950 | 01:31:40,950 | 其他人報門 |
| 01:31:40,320 | 01:31:42,320 | 好,那就十六條之 |
| 01:31:42,320 | 01:31:44,320 | 二,跟十六條之一 |
| 01:31:44,320 | 01:31:46,320 | 因為跟十六條之一 |
| 01:31:46,320 | 01:31:48,320 | 保留,那我們就十六條 |
| 01:31:48,320 | 01:31:50,320 | 之二也一起保留 |
| 01:31:53,950 | 01:31:55,950 | 接下來續審 |
| 01:31:55,950 | 01:31:57,950 | 十九條 |
| 01:31:58,220 | 01:32:00,220 | 十九條,勞動部這邊補充說明 |
| 01:32:00,220 | 01:32:02,220 | 上次有跟委員說 |
| 01:32:02,220 | 01:32:04,220 | 十九條的部分呢 |
| 01:32:04,220 | 01:32:06,220 | 因為它涉及到減少工時 |
| 01:32:06,220 | 01:32:08,220 | 調整工時等 |
| 01:32:08,220 | 01:32:10,220 | 那因為台灣企業的產業規模 |
| 01:32:10,220 | 01:32:12,220 | 其實有非常多 |
| 01:32:12,220 | 01:32:14,220 | 僱主團體,其實有表達說 |
| 01:32:14,220 | 01:32:16,220 | 這個部分呢 |
| 01:32:16,220 | 01:32:18,220 | 是不是它有一些的這個 |
| 01:32:18,220 | 01:32:20,220 | 經營規模對於執行 |
| 01:32:20,220 | 01:32:22,220 | 這個部分,因為這十九條 |
| 01:32:22,220 | 01:32:24,220 | 的部分,在性供法上面 |
| 01:32:24,220 | 01:32:26,220 | 如果僱主不同意的話 |
| 01:32:26,220 | 01:32:28,220 | 是有這個相關的處分 |
| 01:32:28,220 | 01:32:30,220 | 跟供法上面違法公開 |
| 01:32:30,220 | 01:32:32,220 | 這個事業單位的相關的處罰 |
| 01:32:32,220 | 01:32:34,220 | 所以呢,我們現在勞動部 |
| 01:32:34,220 | 01:32:36,220 | 已經跟各縣市政府 |
| 01:32:36,220 | 01:32:38,220 | 其實已經達成共識 |
| 01:32:38,220 | 01:32:40,220 | 那我們針對這個 |
| 01:32:40,220 | 01:32:42,220 | 執行 |
| 01:32:42,220 | 01:32:44,220 | 福運十二歲以下子女的 |
| 01:32:44,220 | 01:32:46,220 | 這個受僱者,如果有需求跟 |
| 01:32:46,220 | 01:32:48,220 | 僱主申請的時候 |
| 01:32:48,220 | 01:32:50,220 | 我們有相關的獎勵跟這個 |
| 01:32:50,220 | 01:32:52,220 | 補助措施,那這個 |
| 01:32:52,220 | 01:32:54,220 | 補助措施我們會由地方政府 |
| 01:32:54,220 | 01:32:56,220 | 執行,那目前各縣市政府 |
| 01:32:56,220 | 01:32:58,220 | 需要增加的人力 |
| 01:32:58,220 | 01:33:00,220 | 經費等等,都由勞動部這邊 |
| 01:33:00,220 | 01:33:02,220 | 會有提供協助,所以十九條 |
| 01:33:02,220 | 01:33:04,220 | 部分勞動部這邊還是建議說 |
| 01:33:04,220 | 01:33:06,220 | 是不是維持現行法 |
| 01:33:06,220 | 01:33:08,220 | 那至於這個 |
| 01:33:08,220 | 01:33:10,220 | 我們願意做到 |
| 01:33:10,220 | 01:33:12,220 | 這個協助 |
| 01:33:12,220 | 01:33:14,220 | 福運十二歲以下子女,但是用 |
| 01:33:14,220 | 01:33:16,220 | 訪日本韓國 |
| 01:33:16,220 | 01:33:18,220 | 我們用兩階段的方式 |
| 01:33:18,220 | 01:33:20,220 | 現階段我們用獎勵補助 |
| 01:33:20,220 | 01:33:22,220 | 然後讓企業跟勞資雙方 |
| 01:33:22,220 | 01:33:24,220 | 在穩定勞動關係的狀況之下 |
| 01:33:24,220 | 01:33:26,220 | 在後續我們再 |
| 01:33:26,220 | 01:33:28,220 | 觀察看看,怎麼入法的 |
| 01:33:28,220 | 01:33:30,220 | 相關的評估,以上補充說明 |
| 01:33:32,100 | 01:33:34,100 | 最後 |
| 01:33:33,360 | 01:33:35,360 | 好,這個在上次的討論裡面 |
| 01:33:35,360 | 01:33:37,360 | 這個第十九條 |
| 01:33:37,360 | 01:33:39,360 | 事實上跟前面的十六條 |
| 01:33:39,360 | 01:33:41,360 | 之一,它是有所連動的 |
| 01:33:41,360 | 01:33:43,360 | 我要一再強調 |
| 01:33:43,360 | 01:33:45,360 | 就是說,我們希望給 |
| 01:33:45,360 | 01:33:47,360 | 育有這個子女的 |
| 01:33:47,360 | 01:33:49,360 | 這些父母更多的彈性 |
| 01:33:49,360 | 01:33:51,360 | 那現行其實他們就是 |
| 01:33:51,360 | 01:33:53,360 | 沒有那麼多這個有薪假 |
| 01:33:53,360 | 01:33:55,360 | 可以請,但是照顧孩子 |
| 01:33:55,360 | 01:33:57,360 | 的負擔這個其實是 |
| 01:33:57,360 | 01:33:59,360 | 每一天都在發生的事情 |
| 01:33:59,360 | 01:34:01,360 | 所以上次其實就有提到 |
| 01:34:01,360 | 01:34:03,360 | 十九條,如果要維持現行 |
| 01:34:03,360 | 01:34:05,360 | 條文,那至少你十六條之一 |
| 01:34:05,360 | 01:34:07,360 | 是要通過的 |
| 01:34:07,360 | 01:34:09,360 | 就是當時討論非常多 |
| 01:34:09,360 | 01:34:11,360 | 我想包括民進黨的委員 |
| 01:34:11,360 | 01:34:13,360 | 也有提出類似的概念 |
| 01:34:13,360 | 01:34:15,360 | 因為十九條其實也是給 |
| 01:34:15,360 | 01:34:17,360 | 父母彈性跟支持 |
| 01:34:17,360 | 01:34:19,360 | 那如果勞動部想要 |
| 01:34:19,360 | 01:34:21,360 | 不想入法,就是說要 |
| 01:34:21,360 | 01:34:23,360 | 先用一個,先示範 |
| 01:34:23,360 | 01:34:25,360 | 然後再入法,這樣子的一個 |
| 01:34:25,360 | 01:34:27,360 | 做法,那至少 |
| 01:34:27,360 | 01:34:29,360 | 你十六條之一,因為剛剛是 |
| 01:34:29,360 | 01:34:31,360 | 保留的,你們還沒有同意 |
| 01:34:31,360 | 01:34:33,360 | 那所以我建議就是十九條 |
| 01:34:33,360 | 01:34:35,360 | 也應該是要先行保留 |
| 01:34:35,360 | 01:34:37,360 | 就是合併十六條之一 |
| 01:34:37,360 | 01:34:39,360 | 如果你十六條之一針對 |
| 01:34:39,360 | 01:34:41,360 | 這個低年級的孩子 |
| 01:34:41,360 | 01:34:43,360 | 你已經給父母更多的 |
| 01:34:43,360 | 01:34:45,360 | 彈性,而且育兒假 |
| 01:34:45,360 | 01:34:47,360 | 就是可以放寬到八歲,那我覺得 |
| 01:34:47,360 | 01:34:49,360 | 十九條就有先示範 |
| 01:34:49,360 | 01:34:51,360 | 在立法的空間,但是如果你 |
| 01:34:51,360 | 01:34:53,360 | 前面也都不答應,那這個 |
| 01:34:53,360 | 01:34:55,360 | 就應該是要立法 |
| 01:34:55,360 | 01:34:57,360 | 我覺得是要合併一起來看的 |
| 01:34:57,360 | 01:34:59,360 | 那你每一個勞動部都不同意 |
| 01:34:59,360 | 01:35:01,360 | 那我們這一波的修法 |
| 01:35:01,360 | 01:35:03,360 | 對於家長來講,我們並沒有 |
| 01:35:03,360 | 01:35:05,360 | 增加太多,給予他們 |
| 01:35:05,360 | 01:35:07,360 | 有彈性的時間來育兒的 |
| 01:35:07,360 | 01:35:09,360 | 這樣的一個支持的力道 |
| 01:35:09,360 | 01:35:11,360 | 在立法上的力道,所以 |
| 01:35:11,360 | 01:35:13,360 | 我建議這一條,如果十六條之一 |
| 01:35:13,360 | 01:35:15,360 | 是保留的話,十九條也先行保留 |
| 01:35:15,360 | 01:35:17,360 | 謝謝 |
| 01:35:16,990 | 01:35:18,990 | 好,我不支持第十九條 |
| 01:35:18,990 | 01:35:20,990 | 是第十九條的修法 |
| 01:35:20,990 | 01:35:22,990 | 因為它是強制性的話 |
| 01:35:22,990 | 01:35:24,990 | 一旦立法後,我覺得會 |
| 01:35:24,990 | 01:35:26,990 | 有很大的衝擊,所以應該 |
| 01:35:26,990 | 01:35:28,990 | 本來我認為勞動部應該先從 |
| 01:35:28,990 | 01:35:30,990 | 獎勵開始,而且再多 |
| 01:35:30,990 | 01:35:32,990 | 累積一些實際的經驗 |
| 01:35:32,990 | 01:35:34,990 | 因為這畢竟對產業整個的調配 |
| 01:35:34,990 | 01:35:36,990 | 整個狀態,甚至 |
| 01:35:36,990 | 01:35:38,990 | 我很關心的 |
| 01:35:38,990 | 01:35:40,990 | 教育產業這邊,到底能不能 |
| 01:35:40,990 | 01:35:42,990 | 因應,那本來 |
| 01:35:42,990 | 01:35:44,990 | 是希望有一些實際的經驗 |
| 01:35:44,990 | 01:35:46,990 | 跟數據以後,再去討論可行性與否 |
| 01:35:46,990 | 01:35:48,990 | 然後再逐步去法制化 |
| 01:35:48,990 | 01:35:50,990 | 所以我上次也有提到說 |
| 01:35:50,990 | 01:35:52,990 | 勞動部針對第十九條 |
| 01:35:52,990 | 01:35:54,990 | 跟地方政府溝通過嗎 |
| 01:35:54,990 | 01:35:56,990 | 那地方政府的意見是什麼 |
| 01:35:56,990 | 01:35:58,990 | 地方政府最常跟產業有接觸 |
| 01:35:58,990 | 01:36:00,990 | 那他們對這個衝擊 |
| 01:36:00,990 | 01:36:02,990 | 優惠是什麼 |
| 01:36:02,990 | 01:36:04,990 | 甚至 |
| 01:36:06,150 | 01:36:08,150 | 不管是公立的 |
| 01:36:08,150 | 01:36:10,150 | 甚至私立的 |
| 01:36:10,150 | 01:36:12,150 | 有言都有所謂的 |
| 01:36:12,150 | 01:36:14,150 | 教保員事實上是依照 |
| 01:36:14,150 | 01:36:16,150 | 勞動基準法 |
| 01:36:16,150 | 01:36:18,150 | 那如果那樣的話 |
| 01:36:18,150 | 01:36:20,150 | 在這樣的狀況底下 |
| 01:36:20,150 | 01:36:22,150 | 又會對於這些,因為我還是很關心 |
| 01:36:22,150 | 01:36:24,150 | 下一層的就是小孩 |
| 01:36:24,150 | 01:36:26,150 | 如果影響到孩子,我就覺得不太允許 |
| 01:36:26,150 | 01:36:28,150 | 說,那 |
| 01:36:28,150 | 01:36:30,150 | 權益都要去做平衡 |
| 01:36:30,150 | 01:36:32,150 | 要去考慮,所以想問一下 |
| 01:36:32,150 | 01:36:34,150 | 勞動部,你們有去 |
| 01:36:34,150 | 01:36:36,150 | 問過地方政府嗎 |
| 01:36:36,850 | 01:36:38,850 | 沒有去提過 |
| 01:36:38,750 | 01:36:40,750 | 好,謝謝主席 |
| 01:36:40,750 | 01:36:42,750 | 我想如果大家當初不提相關的一些版本 |
| 01:36:42,750 | 01:36:44,750 | 恐怕連獎勵配套都不見得看得到 |
| 01:36:44,750 | 01:36:46,750 | 所以,當然勞動部有講 |
| 01:36:46,750 | 01:36:48,750 | 第一時間有跟地方 |
| 01:36:48,750 | 01:36:50,750 | 政府做一定的溝通,然後有一定的 |
| 01:36:50,750 | 01:36:52,750 | 一些想法,但這些想法 |
| 01:36:52,750 | 01:36:54,750 | 具體來講,它是什麼樣的執行方案 |
| 01:36:54,750 | 01:36:56,750 | 我覺得只要詳細的一個書面的報告 |
| 01:36:56,750 | 01:36:58,750 | 或者是更多時間的一個說明 |
| 01:36:58,750 | 01:37:00,750 | 那再來,我稍微看了一下上一次 |
| 01:37:00,750 | 01:37:02,750 | 衛生委員會在討論這件事情的時候 |
| 01:37:02,750 | 01:37:04,750 | 有講,這是跟十六條等等,它其實都是連動的 |
| 01:37:04,750 | 01:37:06,750 | 那既然十六條是保留 |
| 01:37:06,750 | 01:37:08,750 | 所以先保留,一方面多一點時間 |
| 01:37:08,750 | 01:37:10,750 | 不管是接到黨團協商程序 |
| 01:37:10,750 | 01:37:12,750 | 或怎麼樣,勞動部趕快把 |
| 01:37:12,750 | 01:37:14,750 | 詳細的獎勵配套執行方案 |
| 01:37:14,750 | 01:37:16,750 | 拿出來,我們才知道 |
| 01:37:16,750 | 01:37:18,750 | 十九條未來是用什麼樣的方式 |
| 01:37:18,750 | 01:37:20,750 | 來做修訂也好,或者是決議也好 |
| 01:37:20,750 | 01:37:22,750 | 這大家心態可以開放一點 |
| 01:37:22,750 | 01:37:24,750 | 但是如果勞動部資料不夠詳細的時候 |
| 01:37:24,750 | 01:37:26,750 | 你現在開放也開放不了 |
| 01:37:26,750 | 01:37:28,750 | 所以建議一下,這一條也是先保留 |
| 01:37:28,750 | 01:37:30,750 | 保留多一點時間跟空間,請勞動部詳細說明 |
| 01:37:30,750 | 01:37:32,750 | 以上 |
| 01:37:33,560 | 01:37:35,560 | 邱慧如委 |
| 01:37:35,560 | 01:37:37,560 | 好,謝謝主席,那我想第十九條 |
| 01:37:37,560 | 01:37:39,560 | 因為我們台灣民眾黨 |
| 01:37:39,560 | 01:37:41,560 | 一直想為父母打造一個 |
| 01:37:41,560 | 01:37:43,560 | 親子友善的職場 |
| 01:37:43,560 | 01:37:45,560 | 那其實,所以我們希望 |
| 01:37:45,560 | 01:37:47,560 | 就是彈性工時減少工時的 |
| 01:37:47,560 | 01:37:49,560 | 一個適用的對象 |
| 01:37:49,560 | 01:37:51,560 | 就是父母他育有十二歲以下 |
| 01:37:51,560 | 01:37:53,560 | 的子女,作為對象 |
| 01:37:53,560 | 01:37:55,560 | 那當然現行法是三歲 |
| 01:37:55,560 | 01:37:57,560 | 那三歲離十二歲是有一 |
| 01:37:57,560 | 01:37:59,560 | 有一段差距 |
| 01:37:59,560 | 01:38:01,560 | 那當然這條文已經要保留了 |
| 01:38:01,560 | 01:38:03,560 | 所以我在想,就是之後我們再跟勞動部這邊 |
| 01:38:03,560 | 01:38:05,560 | 再多做一些交流 |
| 01:38:05,560 | 01:38:07,560 | 那第二個跟第三個 |
| 01:38:07,560 | 01:38:09,560 | 堅持就是彈性工時跟遠距 |
| 01:38:09,560 | 01:38:11,560 | 也是本黨一直覺得說 |
| 01:38:11,560 | 01:38:13,560 | 應該給勞工更大的一個 |
| 01:38:13,560 | 01:38:15,560 | 彈性空間 |
| 01:38:15,560 | 01:38:17,560 | 去作為工作上的一個 |
| 01:38:17,560 | 01:38:19,560 | 規劃,那也希望 |
| 01:38:19,560 | 01:38:21,560 | 這個能夠得到 |
| 01:38:21,560 | 01:38:23,560 | 勞動部的支持,以上說明,謝謝 |
| 01:38:25,640 | 01:38:27,640 | 那個,王偉 |
| 01:38:27,800 | 01:38:29,800 | 好,感謝 |
| 01:38:29,800 | 01:38:31,800 | 那個我想十九條的部分 |
| 01:38:31,800 | 01:38:33,800 | 不管是現在勞動部提出 |
| 01:38:33,800 | 01:38:35,800 | 是不是要用一些示範,用這個獎勵的方式 |
| 01:38:35,800 | 01:38:37,800 | 那這個台北市長這邊 |
| 01:38:37,800 | 01:38:39,800 | 有提了一個第三款 |
| 01:38:39,800 | 01:38:41,800 | 增加這個遠距的部分 |
| 01:38:41,800 | 01:38:43,800 | 我想這個增加一些彈性 |
| 01:38:43,800 | 01:38:45,800 | 那應該對這個,不管是 |
| 01:38:45,800 | 01:38:47,800 | 強制還是用獎勵 |
| 01:38:47,800 | 01:38:49,800 | 出擊獎勵的方式,其實是沒有影響的 |
| 01:38:49,800 | 01:38:51,800 | 那現在的這個自從COVID之後 |
| 01:38:51,800 | 01:38:53,800 | 其實很多的工作形態,他其實蠻適合 |
| 01:38:53,800 | 01:38:55,800 | 這樣做,其實對事業單位來說 |
| 01:38:55,800 | 01:38:57,800 | 也許也是一個分散這個 |
| 01:38:57,800 | 01:38:59,800 | 員工工作的一個時間的方式 |
| 01:38:59,800 | 01:39:01,800 | 所以這邊 |
| 01:39:01,800 | 01:39:03,800 | 還是希望第三款是不是 |
| 01:39:03,800 | 01:39:05,800 | 也做一下考量,以上 |
| 01:39:07,250 | 01:39:09,250 | 勞動部說明 |
| 01:39:09,360 | 01:39:11,360 | 好,跟委員說明 |
| 01:39:11,360 | 01:39:13,360 | 其實我們從六月開始 |
| 01:39:13,360 | 01:39:15,360 | 其實就找各個地方 |
| 01:39:15,360 | 01:39:17,360 | 政府 |
| 01:39:17,360 | 01:39:19,360 | 包括他們的勞政單位 |
| 01:39:19,360 | 01:39:21,360 | 正在討論 |
| 01:39:21,360 | 01:39:23,360 | 就是對於減少工時的這個 |
| 01:39:23,360 | 01:39:25,360 | 獎勵制度的實施,也就是說 |
| 01:39:25,360 | 01:39:27,360 | 這不是一個抽象的 |
| 01:39:27,360 | 01:39:29,360 | 概念 |
| 01:39:29,290 | 01:39:31,290 | 其實這是一個 |
| 01:39:31,290 | 01:39:33,290 | 我們會把它 |
| 01:39:33,290 | 01:39:35,290 | 向行政院爭取 |
| 01:39:35,290 | 01:39:37,290 | 它會是一個有經費有預算的 |
| 01:39:37,290 | 01:39:39,290 | 計畫 |
| 01:39:39,290 | 01:39:41,290 | 那我們會跟地方政府的勞政單位 |
| 01:39:41,290 | 01:39:43,290 | 在這部分合作 |
| 01:39:45,270 | 01:39:47,270 | 為什麼說它是要有經費的呢 |
| 01:39:47,270 | 01:39:49,270 | 因為包括在這個獎勵計畫 |
| 01:39:49,270 | 01:39:51,270 | 裡面,減少工時 |
| 01:39:51,270 | 01:39:53,270 | 的那一個小時的 |
| 01:39:53,200 | 01:39:55,200 | 全部的薪資 |
| 01:39:55,200 | 01:39:57,200 | 會由政府來負擔 |
| 01:39:57,200 | 01:39:59,200 | 甚至我們也爭取 |
| 01:39:59,770 | 01:40:01,770 | 這個減少工時的時候 |
| 01:40:01,770 | 01:40:03,770 | 如果企業要聘 |
| 01:40:03,770 | 01:40:05,770 | 職代的人力的話 |
| 01:40:05,770 | 01:40:07,770 | 職代的津貼跟相關的鼓勵 |
| 01:40:07,770 | 01:40:09,770 | 也會由政府 |
| 01:40:09,770 | 01:40:11,770 | 來去做經費的提供 |
| 01:40:11,770 | 01:40:13,770 | 所以這會是一個 |
| 01:40:13,770 | 01:40:15,770 | 完整的計畫,那目前跟地方政府 |
| 01:40:15,770 | 01:40:17,770 | 在討論,那第二個是 |
| 01:40:17,770 | 01:40:19,770 | 我們的確在跟地方政府討論的時候 |
| 01:40:19,770 | 01:40:21,770 | 這裡面會牽涉到這個修法 |
| 01:40:22,040 | 01:40:24,040 | 但是我要強調 |
| 01:40:24,040 | 01:40:26,040 | 因為這個修法,它的法條的內容 |
| 01:40:26,040 | 01:40:28,040 | 它是一個強制性的內容 |
| 01:40:28,040 | 01:40:30,040 | 所謂強制性的內容 |
| 01:40:30,040 | 01:40:32,040 | 我跟委員說明是 |
| 01:40:32,040 | 01:40:34,040 | 今天如果勞工提出 |
| 01:40:34,040 | 01:40:36,040 | 他要減少工時 |
| 01:40:36,040 | 01:40:38,040 | 我們在我們現在的法規的框架裡面 |
| 01:40:38,040 | 01:40:40,040 | 僱主是不能夠拒絕的 |
| 01:40:41,570 | 01:40:43,570 | 這是一個強制性的 |
| 01:40:43,570 | 01:40:45,570 | 但是我們的獎勵的計畫裡面 |
| 01:40:45,570 | 01:40:47,570 | 勞資是一定合意的 |
| 01:40:47,570 | 01:40:49,570 | 那我想跟委員說 |
| 01:40:49,570 | 01:40:51,570 | 的確現在日本跟韓國 |
| 01:40:51,570 | 01:40:53,570 | 是有用法規的方式 |
| 01:40:53,570 | 01:40:55,570 | 可是他們的法規裡面 |
| 01:40:55,570 | 01:40:57,570 | 僱主是可以 |
| 01:40:58,560 | 01:41:00,560 | 因為經營的狀況而拒絕的 |
| 01:41:01,310 | 01:41:03,310 | 也就是他們也是要 |
| 01:41:03,310 | 01:41:05,310 | 勞資都能夠 |
| 01:41:05,310 | 01:41:07,310 | 統一的狀況下面 |
| 01:41:07,310 | 01:41:09,310 | 所以我們希望懇請跟委員爭取 |
| 01:41:09,310 | 01:41:11,310 | 是我們目前 |
| 01:41:11,310 | 01:41:13,310 | 我們會提一個計畫 |
| 01:41:13,310 | 01:41:15,310 | 那很希望能夠在 |
| 01:41:15,310 | 01:41:17,310 | 116年 |
| 01:41:17,310 | 01:41:19,310 | 可以來實施 |
| 01:41:19,310 | 01:41:21,310 | 也就是一個鼓勵減少工時 |
| 01:41:21,310 | 01:41:23,310 | 跟地方政府來合作 |
| 01:41:23,310 | 01:41:25,310 | 那經費的部分由中央政府 |
| 01:41:25,310 | 01:41:27,310 | 這邊來去做編列 |
| 01:41:27,310 | 01:41:29,310 | 但執行的部分因為會涉及到 |
| 01:41:29,310 | 01:41:31,310 | 各個地方政府他其實不同的財 |
| 01:41:31,310 | 01:41:33,310 | 所以我們要跟地方政府 |
| 01:41:33,310 | 01:41:35,310 | 在執行上面去做合作 |
| 01:41:35,310 | 01:41:37,310 | 那的確地方政府有跟我們講到 |
| 01:41:37,310 | 01:41:39,310 | 因為各個地方的 |
| 01:41:41,290 | 01:41:43,290 | 工作的樣態不太一樣 |
| 01:41:43,970 | 01:41:45,970 | 像台北市 |
| 01:41:45,970 | 01:41:47,970 | 台北市不太有製造業 |
| 01:41:47,870 | 01:41:49,870 | 可是我們會有一些縣市 |
| 01:41:49,870 | 01:41:51,870 | 他的排班製造業會很多 |
| 01:41:51,870 | 01:41:53,870 | 比方說也許像中部 |
| 01:41:53,870 | 01:41:55,870 | 或是在一些縣市 |
| 01:41:55,870 | 01:41:57,870 | 他的排班製造業會很多 |
| 01:41:57,870 | 01:41:59,870 | 可是當他的產業 |
| 01:41:59,870 | 01:42:01,870 | 職場的型態他是屬於這種排班性的 |
| 01:42:01,870 | 01:42:03,870 | 產業的時候 |
| 01:42:03,870 | 01:42:05,870 | 你要他去擔負一個 |
| 01:42:05,870 | 01:42:07,870 | 只要勞工說他要減少一小時 |
| 01:42:07,870 | 01:42:09,870 | 他的整個排班的制度 |
| 01:42:09,870 | 01:42:11,870 | 跟他裡面包括制度的公平性 |
| 01:42:11,870 | 01:42:13,870 | 他都會非常非常大的混亂 |
| 01:42:13,870 | 01:42:15,870 | 所以很多地方政府是 |
| 01:42:15,870 | 01:42:17,870 | 跟我們說他們的確也不希望 |
| 01:42:17,870 | 01:42:19,870 | 是用修法的方式變成是 |
| 01:42:19,870 | 01:42:21,870 | 一個強制性的 |
| 01:42:22,260 | 01:42:24,260 | 減少工時他們比較傾向 |
| 01:42:24,260 | 01:42:26,260 | 跟中央政府 |
| 01:42:26,260 | 01:42:28,260 | 大家一起來合作是一個 |
| 01:42:28,260 | 01:42:30,260 | 要勞資合意 |
| 01:42:30,260 | 01:42:32,260 | 獎勵性的明確有 |
| 01:42:32,260 | 01:42:34,260 | 資源然後有 |
| 01:42:34,260 | 01:42:36,260 | 有計劃的東西 |
| 01:42:36,300 | 01:42:38,300 | 所以我們之前在跟委員溝通的時候 |
| 01:42:38,300 | 01:42:40,300 | 委員溝通是說所以我們是不是要 |
| 01:42:40,300 | 01:42:42,300 | 定一個指引 |
| 01:42:42,300 | 01:42:44,300 | 我跟他們說 |
| 01:42:43,390 | 01:42:45,390 | 在這個計畫裡面遠遠不 |
| 01:42:45,390 | 01:42:47,390 | 不會只是一個指引 |
| 01:42:47,390 | 01:42:49,390 | 這裡面要有經費的編列 |
| 01:42:49,390 | 01:42:51,390 | 那剛剛 |
| 01:42:51,390 | 01:42:53,390 | 兩位委員包括王委員其實 |
| 01:42:53,390 | 01:42:55,390 | 提到說這個遠距工作 |
| 01:42:55,390 | 01:42:57,390 | 部分我們自己內部判斷 |
| 01:42:57,390 | 01:42:59,390 | 我們認為應該是 |
| 01:42:59,390 | 01:43:01,390 | 可以把遠距工作的 |
| 01:43:01,390 | 01:43:03,390 | 鼓勵也放到 |
| 01:43:03,390 | 01:43:05,390 | 我們的獎勵計畫裡面 |
| 01:43:05,390 | 01:43:07,390 | 遠距工作的概念我們認為是也可以思考的 |
| 01:43:07,390 | 01:43:09,390 | 但的確 |
| 01:43:09,390 | 01:43:11,390 | 對於遠距工作要怎麼做 |
| 01:43:11,390 | 01:43:13,390 | 這件事情因為我們也跟相關的 |
| 01:43:13,390 | 01:43:15,390 | 勞動相關的 |
| 01:43:15,390 | 01:43:17,390 | 專家其實也有一些討論 |
| 01:43:17,390 | 01:43:19,390 | 因為在COVID的時候 |
| 01:43:20,940 | 01:43:22,940 | 在COVID的時候 |
| 01:43:22,940 | 01:43:24,940 | 很多企業有遠距工作的 |
| 01:43:24,940 | 01:43:26,940 | 經驗跟實施 |
| 01:43:26,940 | 01:43:28,940 | 可是也有一些企業發現 |
| 01:43:28,940 | 01:43:30,940 | 遠距工作可能會造成內部 |
| 01:43:30,940 | 01:43:32,940 | 在內部做一些治理的時候 |
| 01:43:32,940 | 01:43:34,940 | 也會衍生一些問題 |
| 01:43:34,940 | 01:43:36,940 | 所以我是希望可不可以跟 |
| 01:43:36,940 | 01:43:38,940 | 委員這邊爭取說我們來試著 |
| 01:43:38,940 | 01:43:40,940 | 把遠距工作的概念 |
| 01:43:40,940 | 01:43:42,940 | 放到我們的獎勵計畫中 |
| 01:43:42,940 | 01:43:44,940 | 但是要有什麼樣子的 |
| 01:43:44,940 | 01:43:46,940 | 要有什麼樣子的 |
| 01:43:46,940 | 01:43:48,940 | 這個 |
| 01:43:49,080 | 01:43:51,080 | 條件要什麼樣子的執行的概念 |
| 01:43:51,080 | 01:43:53,080 | 再容我們再做一點設計 |
| 01:43:53,080 | 01:43:55,080 | 這樣子好不好 |
| 01:43:59,410 | 01:44:01,410 | 黃秀紅委員 |
| 01:44:01,670 | 01:44:03,670 | 針對剛剛部長講的 |
| 01:44:03,670 | 01:44:05,670 | 就是說 |
| 01:44:05,670 | 01:44:07,670 | 以中部這邊 |
| 01:44:07,670 | 01:44:09,670 | 像彰化這邊 |
| 01:44:09,670 | 01:44:11,670 | 就是傳產比較多 |
| 01:44:11,670 | 01:44:13,670 | 中小微企業比較多 |
| 01:44:13,670 | 01:44:15,670 | 所以就是說如果是以這個 |
| 01:44:15,670 | 01:44:17,670 | 每天減少工時如果是入法 |
| 01:44:17,670 | 01:44:19,670 | 的話其實我覺得這個 |
| 01:44:19,670 | 01:44:21,670 | 僱主或勞工可能會 |
| 01:44:21,670 | 01:44:23,670 | 衍生更多的問題 |
| 01:44:23,670 | 01:44:25,670 | 當然我也支持就是說用勞資 |
| 01:44:25,670 | 01:44:27,670 | 雙方去協商 |
| 01:44:27,670 | 01:44:29,670 | 因為我們有在基層 |
| 01:44:29,670 | 01:44:31,670 | 但是我們也會碰到有一些勞工 |
| 01:44:31,670 | 01:44:33,670 | 他可能因為照顧的關係 |
| 01:44:33,670 | 01:44:35,670 | 所以他會跟 |
| 01:44:35,670 | 01:44:37,670 | 這個資方會跟他講說 |
| 01:44:37,670 | 01:44:39,670 | 我每天 |
| 01:44:39,670 | 01:44:41,670 | 譬如說他可能提早 |
| 01:44:41,670 | 01:44:43,670 | 提早來上班半個小時 |
| 01:44:43,670 | 01:44:45,670 | 那累積起來就 |
| 01:44:45,670 | 01:44:47,670 | 可能一個月可能就會有幾天的 |
| 01:44:47,670 | 01:44:49,670 | 一個假那像類似這樣的 |
| 01:44:49,670 | 01:44:51,670 | 一個狀況所以我 |
| 01:44:51,670 | 01:44:53,670 | 希望就是說如果入法的話 |
| 01:44:53,670 | 01:44:55,670 | 其實我覺得那個可能會影響 |
| 01:44:55,670 | 01:44:57,670 | 衍生的可能會 |
| 01:44:57,670 | 01:44:59,670 | 會更多的問題 |
| 01:44:59,670 | 01:45:01,670 | 所以我也贊同 |
| 01:45:01,670 | 01:45:03,670 | 就是說部長剛剛講的 |
| 01:45:03,670 | 01:45:05,670 | 是不是用一個計畫 |
| 01:45:05,670 | 01:45:07,670 | 那也可以先試辦用獎勵的方式 |
| 01:45:09,660 | 01:45:11,660 | 好 我再補充一下 |
| 01:45:12,430 | 01:45:14,430 | 那個因為我知道委員都會 |
| 01:45:14,430 | 01:45:16,430 | 都會對於所謂勞資合意這件事情 |
| 01:45:16,430 | 01:45:18,430 | 有些委員從勞方的角度會有點 |
| 01:45:18,430 | 01:45:20,430 | 顧慮啦 說認為資方 |
| 01:45:20,430 | 01:45:22,430 | 我們願意把 |
| 01:45:22,430 | 01:45:24,430 | 願意做這個減少 |
| 01:45:24,430 | 01:45:26,430 | 工時的企業比方我們來跟金管會 |
| 01:45:26,430 | 01:45:28,430 | 來談 這可以列入包括 |
| 01:45:28,430 | 01:45:30,430 | ESG的 |
| 01:45:30,430 | 01:45:32,430 | 這樣子的鼓勵裡面 |
| 01:45:32,430 | 01:45:34,430 | 那甚至我想包括我們 |
| 01:45:34,430 | 01:45:36,430 | 部裡面 |
| 01:45:36,430 | 01:45:38,430 | 的相關的獎項 |
| 01:45:38,430 | 01:45:40,430 | 或普渡的資源 |
| 01:45:40,430 | 01:45:42,430 | 我們也願意把願意來承辦 |
| 01:45:42,430 | 01:45:44,430 | 減少工時 |
| 01:45:44,430 | 01:45:46,430 | 列為一些重要的 |
| 01:45:46,430 | 01:45:48,430 | 我們包括 |
| 01:45:47,880 | 01:45:49,880 | 我們很多的獎項平和的 |
| 01:45:49,880 | 01:45:51,880 | 其中的項目來提高 |
| 01:45:51,880 | 01:45:53,880 | 企業願意來 |
| 01:45:53,880 | 01:45:55,880 | 做答應勞工減少 |
| 01:45:55,880 | 01:45:57,880 | 一小時的誘因 |
| 01:45:57,880 | 01:45:59,880 | 這部分我想我們都願意 |
| 01:45:59,880 | 01:46:01,880 | 也就是盡力的鼓勵都來做 |
| 01:46:01,880 | 01:46:03,880 | 可是我們就是沒有辦法去 |
| 01:46:03,880 | 01:46:05,880 | 現在還沒有辦法去採就是一個 |
| 01:46:05,880 | 01:46:07,880 | 完全強制性的部分 |
| 01:46:07,880 | 01:46:09,880 | 但是只要能鼓勵的 |
| 01:46:09,880 | 01:46:11,880 | 只要能夠降低企業 |
| 01:46:11,880 | 01:46:13,880 | 同意的門檻的方法的 |
| 01:46:13,880 | 01:46:15,880 | 我們都願意盡量的來去做 |
| 01:46:15,880 | 01:46:17,880 | 這部分我想我們是願意的 |
| 01:46:17,880 | 01:46:19,880 | 但是當然王瑋剛才講到說 |
| 01:46:19,880 | 01:46:21,880 | 保留我們也同意這條 |
| 01:46:21,880 | 01:46:23,880 | 就先保留 |
| 01:46:24,790 | 01:46:26,790 | 好 那就 |
| 01:46:26,790 | 01:46:28,790 | 十九條 |
| 01:46:28,790 | 01:46:30,790 | 心情保留 接下來十九條之一 |
| 01:46:32,700 | 01:46:34,700 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:46:36,970 | 01:46:38,970 | 好 那十九條之一 |
| 01:46:38,970 | 01:46:40,970 | 心情保留 |
| 01:46:40,970 | 01:46:42,970 | 接下來需省二十條 |
| 01:46:45,270 | 01:46:47,270 | 二十條的部分 |
| 01:46:47,270 | 01:46:49,270 | 是家庭照顧假 |
| 01:46:49,270 | 01:46:51,270 | 那家庭照顧假的部分這邊 |
| 01:46:51,270 | 01:46:53,270 | 委員的提案部分 |
| 01:46:53,270 | 01:46:55,270 | 如果是涉及到這個 |
| 01:46:55,270 | 01:46:57,270 | 照顧小朋友的 那建議因為 |
| 01:46:57,270 | 01:46:59,270 | 我們前面的十六 十六之一 |
| 01:46:59,270 | 01:47:01,270 | 對 一併保留 |
| 01:47:01,270 | 01:47:03,270 | 另外有關於照顧 |
| 01:47:03,270 | 01:47:05,270 | 這個顧老的部分 |
| 01:47:05,270 | 01:47:07,270 | 因為我們現在有跟這個 |
| 01:47:07,270 | 01:47:09,270 | 衛福部針對長照的部分在盤點 |
| 01:47:09,270 | 01:47:11,270 | 那另一個部分就是容我們 |
| 01:47:11,270 | 01:47:13,270 | 這個部分跟衛福部 |
| 01:47:13,270 | 01:47:15,270 | 持續盤點 然後再做相關的評估 |
| 01:47:18,750 | 01:47:20,750 | 那第二十條就心情保留 |
| 01:47:22,100 | 01:47:24,100 | 來 王無正主委 |
| 01:47:24,100 | 01:47:26,100 | 謝謝 因為 |
| 01:47:26,100 | 01:47:28,100 | 這邊有提一個修正動議 |
| 01:47:28,100 | 01:47:30,100 | 是十九條之二 |
| 01:47:30,100 | 01:47:32,100 | 是稍微這邊有提案 |
| 01:47:32,100 | 01:47:34,100 | 的部分 會需要這個時候 |
| 01:47:34,100 | 01:47:36,100 | 討論嗎 |
| 01:47:49,110 | 01:47:51,110 | 對不起 對不起 我看錯這個法條 |
| 01:47:51,110 | 01:47:53,110 | 內容 |
| 01:47:53,110 | 01:47:55,110 | 這個是就業保險法 |
| 01:47:55,110 | 01:47:57,110 | 不好意思 |
| 01:47:55,780 | 01:47:57,780 | OK 沒事 |
| 01:47:58,440 | 01:48:00,440 | 那我們就來 |
| 01:48:00,440 | 01:48:02,440 | 二十條 |
| 01:48:03,190 | 01:48:05,190 | 請說明 |
| 01:48:05,680 | 01:48:07,680 | 二十條也是保留嗎 |
| 01:48:11,150 | 01:48:13,150 | 好 二十條保留 |
| 01:48:14,320 | 01:48:16,320 | 那接下來 續審二十三條之一 |
| 01:48:19,440 | 01:48:21,440 | 跟各位委員報告 |
| 01:48:21,440 | 01:48:23,440 | 二十三條之一的部分 |
| 01:48:23,440 | 01:48:25,440 | 上次的話 大部分委員 |
| 01:48:25,440 | 01:48:27,440 | 是有同意大概 |
| 01:48:27,440 | 01:48:29,440 | 院板的這個修正的方向 |
| 01:48:29,440 | 01:48:31,440 | 那後來 邱委員這邊的話 |
| 01:48:31,440 | 01:48:33,440 | 有一個修正動議 |
| 01:48:33,440 | 01:48:35,440 | 在我們在會後 |
| 01:48:35,440 | 01:48:37,440 | 有跟邱委員來做一些報告 |
| 01:48:37,440 | 01:48:39,440 | 那這個部分的話就是說 |
| 01:48:39,440 | 01:48:41,440 | 邱委員這邊 |
| 01:48:41,440 | 01:48:43,440 | 我們有說明說 |
| 01:48:43,440 | 01:48:45,440 | 第一個 如果是採行院板的話 |
| 01:48:45,980 | 01:48:47,980 | 有一些非署營利事業的 |
| 01:48:47,980 | 01:48:49,980 | 那些事業所 |
| 01:48:49,980 | 01:48:51,980 | 單位 他也可以來做 |
| 01:48:51,980 | 01:48:53,980 | 這些相關的所得 |
| 01:48:53,980 | 01:48:55,980 | 的檢處列資 |
| 01:48:55,980 | 01:48:57,980 | 那再來的話 因為 |
| 01:48:57,980 | 01:48:59,980 | 修正動議裡面的話 |
| 01:48:59,980 | 01:49:01,980 | 會是只有百分之一百 |
| 01:49:01,980 | 01:49:03,980 | 的這個部分 |
| 01:49:03,980 | 01:49:05,980 | 也有跟 |
| 01:49:05,980 | 01:49:07,980 | 委員做過說明 |
| 01:49:07,980 | 01:49:09,980 | 包括限度內的部分也有做過 |
| 01:49:09,980 | 01:49:11,980 | 說明 那是不是 |
| 01:49:11,980 | 01:49:13,980 | 邱委員這邊 |
| 01:49:13,980 | 01:49:15,980 | 如果溝通了 可以接受院板 沒有問題 |
| 01:49:20,200 | 01:49:22,200 | 好 |
| 01:49:22,210 | 01:49:24,210 | 這一條就 |
| 01:49:24,210 | 01:49:26,210 | 那個 |
| 01:49:25,770 | 01:49:27,770 | 沒有其他 就照行政 |
| 01:49:27,770 | 01:49:29,770 | 23條 |
| 01:49:29,770 | 01:49:31,770 | 之一 |
| 01:49:31,770 | 01:49:33,770 | 照行政院板本提案通過 |
| 01:49:33,770 | 01:49:35,770 | 那接下來23之二 |
| 01:49:37,110 | 01:49:39,110 | 23條之二的部分 |
| 01:49:39,110 | 01:49:41,110 | 那張委員這邊的話 |
| 01:49:41,110 | 01:49:43,110 | 是希望說 |
| 01:49:43,110 | 01:49:45,110 | 23條之一的部分 |
| 01:49:45,110 | 01:49:47,110 | 把那個檢處的範圍再往上拉到 |
| 01:49:47,110 | 01:49:49,110 | 除了 |
| 01:49:49,110 | 01:49:51,110 | 我們這些托兒測試以外 |
| 01:49:51,110 | 01:49:53,110 | 往上拉到 |
| 01:49:53,110 | 01:49:55,110 | 包括到大學的部分 |
| 01:49:55,110 | 01:49:57,110 | 如果雇主有對於 |
| 01:49:57,110 | 01:49:59,110 | 這個勞工 |
| 01:49:59,110 | 01:50:01,110 | 他的到大學 |
| 01:50:01,110 | 01:50:03,110 | 以前的這個照顧 |
| 01:50:03,420 | 01:50:05,420 | 有提供一些協助的話 |
| 01:50:05,420 | 01:50:07,420 | 也可以做檢處 |
| 01:50:07,420 | 01:50:09,420 | 那檢處也是百分之兩百 |
| 01:50:09,420 | 01:50:11,420 | 那這個部分的話 因為我們大概在 |
| 01:50:11,420 | 01:50:13,420 | 跟財政部溝通的時候 |
| 01:50:13,420 | 01:50:15,420 | 財政部這邊有一些不同的意見 |
| 01:50:15,420 | 01:50:17,420 | 是不是方便可以請財政部這邊來做說明 |
| 01:50:17,420 | 01:50:19,420 | 從稅上面的一些考量 |
| 01:50:22,910 | 01:50:24,910 | 你們的 |
| 01:50:26,400 | 01:50:28,400 | 財政部說明 |
| 01:50:28,400 | 01:50:30,400 | 那這個23之二 |
| 01:50:30,400 | 01:50:32,400 | 這個張委員的版本是把 |
| 01:50:32,400 | 01:50:34,400 | 年齡延伸到這個 |
| 01:50:34,400 | 01:50:36,400 | 就讀大專 |
| 01:50:36,400 | 01:50:38,400 | 院校的期間 |
| 01:50:38,400 | 01:50:40,400 | 那因為現行政府在 |
| 01:50:40,400 | 01:50:42,400 | 就是子女 |
| 01:50:42,400 | 01:50:44,400 | 在不同的年齡階段都有各式的補助 |
| 01:50:44,400 | 01:50:46,400 | 包括國民教育免學費 |
| 01:50:46,400 | 01:50:48,400 | 或者是大專教育 |
| 01:50:48,400 | 01:50:50,400 | 有很多的這個學費的減免 |
| 01:50:50,400 | 01:50:52,400 | 然後經濟弱勢家庭又有加碼的 |
| 01:50:52,400 | 01:50:54,400 | 減免 所以政府 |
| 01:50:54,400 | 01:50:56,400 | 其實也挹注相當多的資源 |
| 01:50:56,400 | 01:50:58,400 | 在這個年齡層的子女上面 |
| 01:50:58,400 | 01:51:00,400 | 那我們是建議是說 |
| 01:51:00,400 | 01:51:02,400 | 還是優先照23之一 |
| 01:51:02,400 | 01:51:04,400 | 這個行政院版處理 |
| 01:51:04,400 | 01:51:06,400 | 然後我們可以持續關注 |
| 01:51:06,400 | 01:51:08,400 | 這個實行的情形 然後再來滾動 |
| 01:51:08,400 | 01:51:10,400 | 檢討 那所以財政部 |
| 01:51:10,400 | 01:51:12,400 | 建議是說23之二是不是 |
| 01:51:12,400 | 01:51:14,400 | 可以不予甄定 |
| 01:51:15,170 | 01:51:17,170 | 因為帳也沒到 |
| 01:51:17,170 | 01:51:19,170 | 沒有其他的話我們就這一條 |
| 01:51:19,170 | 01:51:21,170 | 23條之一 |
| 01:51:21,170 | 01:51:23,170 | 之二就不予甄定 |
| 01:51:23,590 | 01:51:25,590 | 那現在我們休息一下 |
| 01:51:25,590 | 01:51:27,590 | 再把前面再做一下溝通 |
| 01:51:54,290 | 01:51:56,290 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:51:58,370 | 01:52:00,370 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:52:31,890 | 01:52:33,890 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:52:50,180 | 01:52:52,180 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:52:54,400 | 01:52:56,400 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:52:58,380 | 01:53:00,380 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:01,640 | 01:53:03,640 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:02,820 | 01:53:04,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:04,820 | 01:53:06,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:06,820 | 01:53:08,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:08,820 | 01:53:10,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:10,820 | 01:53:12,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:12,820 | 01:53:14,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:14,820 | 01:53:16,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:16,820 | 01:53:18,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:18,820 | 01:53:20,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:20,820 | 01:53:22,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:22,820 | 01:53:24,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:24,820 | 01:53:26,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:26,820 | 01:53:28,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 01:53:28,820 | 01:53:30,820 | 謝謝大家 |
| 02:05:20,760 | 02:05:22,760 | 好 |
| 02:05:22,760 | 02:05:24,760 | 討論事項一做一下 |
| 02:05:24,760 | 02:05:26,760 | 決議先請部會 |
| 02:05:26,760 | 02:05:28,760 | 再跟提案委員 |
| 02:05:28,760 | 02:05:30,760 | 溝通 我們先進行的 |
| 02:05:30,760 | 02:05:32,760 | 進行討論事項二 |
| 02:05:32,760 | 02:05:34,760 | 再回來進行後續的處理 |
| 02:05:35,340 | 02:05:37,340 | 那 |
| 02:05:36,560 | 02:05:38,560 | 接下來就寶 |
| 02:05:38,560 | 02:05:40,560 | 現在我們進行討論事項二 |
| 02:05:40,560 | 02:05:42,560 | 審查及具體審查就業保險法 |
| 02:05:42,560 | 02:05:44,560 | 部分條文修正草案等 |
| 02:05:44,560 | 02:05:46,560 | 一百案第一輪保留及 |
| 02:05:46,560 | 02:05:48,560 | 本次新增之條 |
| 02:05:48,560 | 02:05:50,560 | 次條文進行逐條審查 |
| 02:05:50,560 | 02:05:52,560 | 每條條文先請行政單位說明 |
| 02:05:52,560 | 02:05:54,560 | 接著請委員表示意見 |
| 02:05:58,360 | 02:06:00,360 | 現在進行本案逐條討論 |
| 02:06:00,360 | 02:06:02,360 | 現在討論第十條條文 |
| 02:06:02,360 | 02:06:04,360 | 請勞動部做說明 |
| 02:06:06,600 | 02:06:08,600 | 主席各位委員好 |
| 02:06:08,600 | 02:06:10,600 | 那就業保險法第十條 |
| 02:06:10,600 | 02:06:12,600 | 的部分 |
| 02:06:12,600 | 02:06:14,600 | 大概包括兩個議題 |
| 02:06:14,600 | 02:06:16,600 | 第一個是我們把 |
| 02:06:16,600 | 02:06:18,600 | 因為第十條是保險集會的種類 |
| 02:06:18,600 | 02:06:20,600 | 那保險集會的種類在 |
| 02:06:20,600 | 02:06:22,600 | 育兒育嬰留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:06:22,600 | 02:06:24,600 | 的部分我們就是 |
| 02:06:24,600 | 02:06:26,600 | 依照我們信公法的規定 |
| 02:06:26,600 | 02:06:28,600 | 將育嬰留職停薪 |
| 02:06:28,600 | 02:06:30,600 | 育嬰留職停薪制度 |
| 02:06:30,600 | 02:06:32,600 | 修正為育兒留職 |
| 02:06:32,600 | 02:06:34,600 | 停薪 |
| 02:06:34,600 | 02:06:36,600 | 我們今天的部分也改為育兒 |
| 02:06:36,600 | 02:06:38,600 | 留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:06:40,290 | 02:06:42,290 | 那另外就是 |
| 02:06:43,820 | 02:06:45,820 | 委員有新增了 |
| 02:06:45,820 | 02:06:47,820 | 有提案新增保險集會種類 |
| 02:06:47,820 | 02:06:49,820 | 包括親子假津貼、家庭照顧假津貼 |
| 02:06:49,820 | 02:06:51,820 | 跟親子假津 |
| 02:06:51,820 | 02:06:53,820 | 教育假津貼、跟照護津貼 |
| 02:06:53,820 | 02:06:55,820 | 這個部分 |
| 02:06:56,340 | 02:06:58,340 | 我們是建議不予增訂 |
| 02:06:58,340 | 02:07:00,340 | 那裡有包括說 |
| 02:07:00,340 | 02:07:02,340 | 第一個是親子假津貼的部分 |
| 02:07:02,340 | 02:07:04,340 | 那親子假津貼的部分 |
| 02:07:04,340 | 02:07:06,340 | 在信公法的 |
| 02:07:06,340 | 02:07:08,340 | 增訂第十六條之一是 |
| 02:07:08,340 | 02:07:10,340 | 稱為育兒假 |
| 02:07:10,340 | 02:07:12,340 | 那請育兒假的人也可以領津貼 |
| 02:07:12,340 | 02:07:14,340 | 那所以這個部分 |
| 02:07:14,340 | 02:07:16,340 | 委員的提案已經有一個替代的方案了 |
| 02:07:17,120 | 02:07:19,120 | 那另外在家庭照顧假津貼 |
| 02:07:19,120 | 02:07:21,120 | 跟親子假 |
| 02:07:21,120 | 02:07:23,120 | 親子教育假津貼的這個部分 |
| 02:07:23,120 | 02:07:25,120 | 那就業保險的 |
| 02:07:25,120 | 02:07:27,120 | 立法一直是在照顧失業老公 |
| 02:07:27,120 | 02:07:29,120 | 跟穩定就業 |
| 02:07:29,120 | 02:07:31,120 | 但是家庭照顧假跟親子假教育假的 |
| 02:07:31,120 | 02:07:33,120 | 這些老公他仍然在職 |
| 02:07:33,120 | 02:07:35,120 | 那尤其他申請的時間 |
| 02:07:35,120 | 02:07:37,120 | 非常的短包括暗日或是 |
| 02:07:37,120 | 02:07:39,120 | 暗時 |
| 02:07:39,120 | 02:07:41,120 | 那所以整個津貼發給的目的 |
| 02:07:41,120 | 02:07:43,120 | 跟促進就業的關聯性不大 |
| 02:07:43,120 | 02:07:45,120 | 也 |
| 02:07:45,090 | 02:07:47,090 | 不符合就業保險保障的目的 |
| 02:07:47,090 | 02:07:49,090 | 跟社會保險小事故免責的原則 |
| 02:07:49,090 | 02:07:51,090 | 那 |
| 02:07:51,090 | 02:07:53,090 | 如果依照委員的提案 |
| 02:07:53,090 | 02:07:55,090 | 來通過 |
| 02:07:55,170 | 02:07:57,170 | 那因為家庭照顧假 |
| 02:07:57,170 | 02:07:59,170 | 他不限於照顧 |
| 02:07:59,170 | 02:08:01,170 | 子女他照顧 |
| 02:08:01,170 | 02:08:03,170 | 家人都可以使用所以整個 |
| 02:08:03,170 | 02:08:05,170 | 財務預估會比照 |
| 02:08:05,170 | 02:08:07,170 | 育兒假會更多 |
| 02:08:07,170 | 02:08:09,170 | 如果一天就 |
| 02:08:09,170 | 02:08:11,170 | 年增支出是56億 |
| 02:08:11,170 | 02:08:13,170 | 那7天就是395億 |
| 02:08:13,170 | 02:08:15,170 | 那最後費力是1.18% |
| 02:08:15,170 | 02:08:17,170 | 那是必須要 |
| 02:08:17,170 | 02:08:19,170 | 調整費力來因應 |
| 02:08:19,170 | 02:08:21,170 | 調整費力就會涉及到 |
| 02:08:21,170 | 02:08:23,170 | 調高勞資保費的負擔 |
| 02:08:23,170 | 02:08:25,170 | 應該有勞資的共識 |
| 02:08:25,170 | 02:08:27,170 | 那另外就是 |
| 02:08:27,170 | 02:08:29,170 | 委員有提到照護津貼 |
| 02:08:29,170 | 02:08:31,170 | 或是照顧津貼的這個部分 |
| 02:08:31,500 | 02:08:33,500 | 那就業保險它是一個社會保險 |
| 02:08:33,500 | 02:08:35,500 | 它的立法目的是來保障 |
| 02:08:35,500 | 02:08:37,500 | 失業勞工他沒有工作的 |
| 02:08:37,500 | 02:08:39,500 | 基本生活 |
| 02:08:39,500 | 02:08:41,500 | 經濟的生活並促進就業 |
| 02:08:41,500 | 02:08:43,500 | 那如果依照委員的 |
| 02:08:43,500 | 02:08:45,500 | 提案是說照顧 |
| 02:08:45,500 | 02:08:47,500 | 直系血清尊親署或者是 |
| 02:08:47,500 | 02:08:49,500 | 同住的家人而有 |
| 02:08:49,500 | 02:08:51,500 | 申請長期家庭照顧 |
| 02:08:51,500 | 02:08:53,500 | 假需求的人如果能夠持續到班 |
| 02:08:53,500 | 02:08:55,500 | 可以來申請家事 |
| 02:08:55,500 | 02:08:57,500 | 服務替代人力津貼 |
| 02:08:57,500 | 02:08:59,500 | 的這個規定那勞工 |
| 02:08:59,500 | 02:09:01,500 | 因為他持續到班 |
| 02:09:01,500 | 02:09:03,500 | 那也領有薪水所以跟 |
| 02:09:03,500 | 02:09:05,500 | 就業保險具有所得損失添補 |
| 02:09:05,500 | 02:09:07,500 | 的功能的原則不符 |
| 02:09:07,500 | 02:09:09,500 | 那另外就是有關 |
| 02:09:09,500 | 02:09:11,500 | 為了減輕家庭照顧的一個 |
| 02:09:11,500 | 02:09:13,500 | 負荷並且降低離職的風險 |
| 02:09:13,500 | 02:09:15,500 | 衛福部長照十年的 |
| 02:09:15,500 | 02:09:17,500 | 3.0也持續來推動 |
| 02:09:17,500 | 02:09:19,500 | 多項的支持服務所以 |
| 02:09:19,500 | 02:09:21,500 | 不宜以救保基金 |
| 02:09:21,500 | 02:09:23,500 | 來支應這個津貼 |
| 02:09:23,500 | 02:09:25,500 | 那在財務估算的部分如果依照 |
| 02:09:25,500 | 02:09:27,500 | 委員的提案每一個月補助一萬 |
| 02:09:27,500 | 02:09:29,500 | 那支應12個月的津貼 |
| 02:09:29,500 | 02:09:31,500 | 那預估年增支出是 |
| 02:09:31,500 | 02:09:33,500 | 270億 |
| 02:09:33,500 | 02:09:35,500 | 那由委員提案是支應24個月 |
| 02:09:35,500 | 02:09:37,500 | 那年增支出就是 |
| 02:09:37,500 | 02:09:39,500 | 541億 |
| 02:09:40,130 | 02:09:42,130 | 那以上報告 |
| 02:09:44,960 | 02:09:48,960 | 我並不支持在救保法當中去增加 |
| 02:09:48,960 | 02:09:50,960 | 我們的親子假的一個津貼 |
| 02:09:51,830 | 02:09:55,830 | 因為在原版性供法當中就已經有育兒假的設計了 |
| 02:09:55,830 | 02:09:57,830 | 而且有育兒假就可以搭配 |
| 02:09:57,830 | 02:09:59,830 | 育兒留職停薪津貼來請領 |
| 02:09:59,830 | 02:10:01,830 | 而且針對臨時的育兒需求 |
| 02:10:01,830 | 02:10:03,830 | 本來就有完整的配套 |
| 02:10:03,830 | 02:10:05,830 | 勞動部的版本也跟 |
| 02:10:05,830 | 02:10:07,830 | 僱主團體溝通過的 |
| 02:10:07,830 | 02:10:09,830 | 是在確定在資金上 |
| 02:10:09,830 | 02:10:11,830 | 沒有問題的版本所以我認為 |
| 02:10:12,330 | 02:10:14,330 | 國眾兩黨的委員的 |
| 02:10:14,330 | 02:10:16,330 | 其實事實上是沒有必要 |
| 02:10:16,330 | 02:10:18,330 | 要再去堅持要另外增加 |
| 02:10:18,330 | 02:10:20,330 | 親子津貼還有另外的照顧津貼 |
| 02:10:20,330 | 02:10:22,330 | 我也不支持為什麼 |
| 02:10:22,330 | 02:10:24,330 | 我要強調的是就業保險基金的核心 |
| 02:10:24,330 | 02:10:26,330 | 就是在 |
| 02:10:26,230 | 02:10:28,230 | 保障勞工的就業安全就業 |
| 02:10:28,230 | 02:10:30,230 | 促進就業它是一個社會保險 |
| 02:10:30,230 | 02:10:32,230 | 不是一個社會福利 |
| 02:10:32,230 | 02:10:34,230 | 如果為了照顧不離職就讓民眾可以一邊上班 |
| 02:10:34,230 | 02:10:36,230 | 一邊申請家事服務 |
| 02:10:36,230 | 02:10:38,230 | 替代人力津貼 |
| 02:10:38,230 | 02:10:40,230 | 這其實已經是變成一種社會福利政策了 |
| 02:10:40,230 | 02:10:42,230 | 那跟這個就業保險 |
| 02:10:42,230 | 02:10:44,230 | 基金原本的核心價值 |
| 02:10:45,320 | 02:10:47,320 | 是有違背的而且我也會擔心說 |
| 02:10:47,320 | 02:10:49,320 | 會不會造成相關的財政負擔 |
| 02:10:50,330 | 02:10:52,330 | 那這不代表不重視照顧不離職這件事情 |
| 02:10:52,330 | 02:10:54,330 | 我覺得我一直一直 |
| 02:10:54,330 | 02:10:56,330 | 在推動我們的長照安排價 |
| 02:10:56,330 | 02:10:58,330 | 就是希望解決同樣的問題 |
| 02:10:58,330 | 02:11:00,330 | 可是我比較希望用比較務實的方式 |
| 02:11:00,330 | 02:11:02,330 | 結合長照政策 |
| 02:11:02,330 | 02:11:04,330 | 來處理而不是直接 |
| 02:11:04,330 | 02:11:06,330 | 發放津貼 |
| 02:11:06,330 | 02:11:08,330 | 那就讓就業保險基金去承擔 |
| 02:11:08,330 | 02:11:10,330 | 原本不屬於它角色 |
| 02:11:10,330 | 02:11:12,330 | 不能把社會福利 |
| 02:11:12,330 | 02:11:14,330 | 跟這個去做混淆 |
| 02:11:14,330 | 02:11:16,330 | 那陳營委呢 |
| 02:11:21,030 | 02:11:23,030 | 啊 |
| 02:11:31,470 | 02:11:33,470 | 好 |
| 02:11:33,080 | 02:11:35,080 | 我可以先開始嗎 |
| 02:11:34,900 | 02:11:36,900 | 好 |
| 02:11:36,740 | 02:11:38,740 | 好我想那個 |
| 02:11:38,740 | 02:11:40,740 | 謝謝昭文 |
| 02:11:40,750 | 02:11:42,750 | 我們就這個 |
| 02:11:42,750 | 02:11:44,750 | 整個就保法的 |
| 02:11:44,750 | 02:11:46,750 | 這個立法精神 |
| 02:11:46,750 | 02:11:48,750 | 我想來這邊先跟大家討論一下 |
| 02:11:48,750 | 02:11:50,750 | 也提醒大家就是說 |
| 02:11:50,750 | 02:11:52,750 | 就保法的第一條立法精神 |
| 02:11:52,750 | 02:11:54,750 | 為了提升勞工 |
| 02:11:54,750 | 02:11:56,750 | 就業技能 |
| 02:11:56,750 | 02:11:58,750 | 促進就業保障勞工 |
| 02:11:58,750 | 02:12:00,750 | 職業訓練及失業一定 |
| 02:12:00,750 | 02:12:02,750 | 期間的基本生活特制定 |
| 02:12:02,750 | 02:12:04,750 | 本法那也因此 |
| 02:12:04,750 | 02:12:06,750 | 我們來我們開辦這項 |
| 02:12:06,750 | 02:12:08,750 | 具有強制性質的這個就業 |
| 02:12:08,750 | 02:12:10,750 | 保險那在這部法律的 |
| 02:12:10,750 | 02:12:12,750 | 第34條的 |
| 02:12:12,750 | 02:12:14,750 | 第三項很清楚的 |
| 02:12:14,750 | 02:12:16,750 | 規定就業保險基金 |
| 02:12:16,750 | 02:12:18,750 | 除了作為第一項運用 |
| 02:12:18,750 | 02:12:20,750 | 保險給付支出 |
| 02:12:20,750 | 02:12:22,750 | 第12條第三項規定 |
| 02:12:22,750 | 02:12:24,750 | 之提撥外不得一做 |
| 02:12:24,750 | 02:12:26,750 | 他用或轉移處分 |
| 02:12:26,750 | 02:12:28,750 | 那這邊的第一項呢 |
| 02:12:28,750 | 02:12:30,750 | 是指對於公債 |
| 02:12:30,750 | 02:12:32,750 | 庫捐 |
| 02:12:32,750 | 02:12:34,750 | 庫捐公司債還有票捐 |
| 02:12:34,750 | 02:12:36,750 | 及有利收益的這個投資 |
| 02:12:36,750 | 02:12:38,750 | 那我們再看一下 |
| 02:12:38,750 | 02:12:40,750 | 第12條第三項 |
| 02:12:40,750 | 02:12:42,750 | 是指被保險人 |
| 02:12:42,750 | 02:12:44,750 | 在職訓練促進就業 |
| 02:12:44,750 | 02:12:46,750 | 僱用安定措施以及 |
| 02:12:46,750 | 02:12:48,750 | 獎勵就業的補助 |
| 02:12:48,750 | 02:12:50,750 | 那這些支出都是很清楚的 |
| 02:12:50,750 | 02:12:52,750 | 跟就保法的立法目的 |
| 02:12:52,750 | 02:12:54,750 | 是完全 |
| 02:12:54,750 | 02:12:56,750 | 符合 |
| 02:12:56,760 | 02:12:58,760 | 那因為 |
| 02:12:58,760 | 02:13:00,760 | 那我特別提這些主要是 |
| 02:13:00,760 | 02:13:02,760 | 因為最近媒體報導這個 |
| 02:13:02,760 | 02:13:04,760 | 就業保險基金的使用 |
| 02:13:04,760 | 02:13:06,760 | 有就是說 |
| 02:13:07,800 | 02:13:09,800 | 標題還蠻 |
| 02:13:09,800 | 02:13:11,800 | 蠻 |
| 02:13:11,800 | 02:13:13,800 | 聳動的就是這個勞動部 |
| 02:13:13,800 | 02:13:15,800 | 乾坤挪銀啊 |
| 02:13:15,800 | 02:13:17,800 | 蒙花這個就保基金喔 |
| 02:13:17,800 | 02:13:19,800 | 所以就在 |
| 02:13:19,800 | 02:13:21,800 | 這個立法院授權勞動部 |
| 02:13:21,800 | 02:13:23,800 | 去訂定喔 |
| 02:13:23,800 | 02:13:25,800 | 促進就業的項目經費管理運用的時候 |
| 02:13:25,800 | 02:13:27,800 | 那之前呢我們 |
| 02:13:27,800 | 02:13:29,800 | 的這個勞委會 |
| 02:13:29,800 | 02:13:31,800 | 訂了一個就業保險促進 |
| 02:13:31,800 | 02:13:33,800 | 的就業實施辦法 |
| 02:13:33,800 | 02:13:35,800 | 在102年10月18日 |
| 02:13:35,800 | 02:13:37,800 | 行政院勞工委員會 |
| 02:13:37,800 | 02:13:39,800 | 勞職業制 |
| 02:13:39,800 | 02:13:41,800 | 第1020505408號令 |
| 02:13:41,800 | 02:13:43,800 | 修正發布全文 |
| 02:13:43,800 | 02:13:45,800 | 58條 |
| 02:13:45,800 | 02:13:47,800 | 並自發布 |
| 02:13:47,800 | 02:13:49,800 | 日實施 |
| 02:13:49,800 | 02:13:51,800 | 施行喔 |
| 02:13:51,800 | 02:13:53,800 | 那其中修訂的第三條 |
| 02:13:53,800 | 02:13:55,800 | 增加了兩項可以辦理就業 |
| 02:13:55,800 | 02:13:57,800 | 促進的措施分別是 |
| 02:13:57,800 | 02:13:59,800 | 協助雇主改善工作 |
| 02:13:59,800 | 02:14:01,800 | 環境及勞動條 |
| 02:14:01,800 | 02:14:03,800 | 條件以及 |
| 02:14:03,800 | 02:14:05,800 | 促進職場勞工身心健康 |
| 02:14:05,800 | 02:14:07,800 | 工作與生活平衡 |
| 02:14:07,800 | 02:14:09,800 | 所以 |
| 02:14:09,880 | 02:14:11,880 | 大家看喔 |
| 02:14:11,360 | 02:14:13,360 | 這個問題喔就來了 |
| 02:14:14,500 | 02:14:16,500 | 不是這個條文有問題 |
| 02:14:16,500 | 02:14:18,500 | 是後面 |
| 02:14:18,540 | 02:14:20,540 | 官員自己在解釋上有問題 |
| 02:14:20,540 | 02:14:22,540 | 因為首先在 |
| 02:14:22,540 | 02:14:24,540 | 這次的修訂喔是由 |
| 02:14:24,540 | 02:14:26,540 | 當時的職業訓練局 |
| 02:14:26,540 | 02:14:28,540 | 來主政那條文寫的 |
| 02:14:28,540 | 02:14:30,540 | 改善工作環境 |
| 02:14:30,540 | 02:14:32,540 | 指的是就業 |
| 02:14:32,540 | 02:14:34,540 | 促進有關的工作 |
| 02:14:34,540 | 02:14:36,540 | 環境例如性別 |
| 02:14:36,540 | 02:14:38,540 | 平等禁止歧視 |
| 02:14:38,540 | 02:14:40,540 | 的友善環境與 |
| 02:14:40,540 | 02:14:42,540 | 職場生養有關 |
| 02:14:42,540 | 02:14:44,540 | 的育嬰流亭等等的 |
| 02:14:44,540 | 02:14:46,540 | 工作環境改善 |
| 02:14:46,540 | 02:14:48,540 | 並不是職業安全 |
| 02:14:48,540 | 02:14:50,540 | 衛生的工作環境 |
| 02:14:50,540 | 02:14:52,540 | 那 |
| 02:14:52,740 | 02:14:54,740 | 促進職場身心健康 |
| 02:14:54,740 | 02:14:56,740 | 當然是希望說僱主能夠 |
| 02:14:56,740 | 02:14:58,740 | 重視疲勞啊壓力啊 |
| 02:14:58,740 | 02:15:00,740 | 鼓勵說多多辦理 |
| 02:15:00,740 | 02:15:02,740 | 這些紓解壓力 |
| 02:15:02,740 | 02:15:04,740 | 健身的這些活動 |
| 02:15:04,740 | 02:15:06,740 | 目的呢也就是建立 |
| 02:15:06,740 | 02:15:08,740 | 優質的工作環境以吸引 |
| 02:15:08,740 | 02:15:10,740 | 就業那102年那個 |
| 02:15:10,740 | 02:15:12,740 | 時候呢職安署 |
| 02:15:13,500 | 02:15:15,500 | 是還沒有成立的 |
| 02:15:15,500 | 02:15:17,500 | 我不清楚到底是從 |
| 02:15:17,500 | 02:15:19,500 | 哪一位署長 |
| 02:15:19,500 | 02:15:21,500 | 開始把腦筋動到這個 |
| 02:15:21,500 | 02:15:23,500 | 救保基金應是把這個 |
| 02:15:23,500 | 02:15:25,500 | 職業安全衛生的這個工作環境 |
| 02:15:25,500 | 02:15:27,500 | 解釋成 |
| 02:15:27,500 | 02:15:29,500 | 適用任何種類的 |
| 02:15:29,500 | 02:15:31,500 | 工作環境那說服 |
| 02:15:31,500 | 02:15:33,500 | 歷任的部長 |
| 02:15:33,500 | 02:15:35,500 | 從此呢就綿延不絕的 |
| 02:15:35,500 | 02:15:37,500 | 一直在使用這個 |
| 02:15:37,500 | 02:15:39,500 | 基金那完全就不管 |
| 02:15:39,500 | 02:15:41,500 | 救保法的這個立法精神 |
| 02:15:41,500 | 02:15:43,500 | 還有這個34條不得 |
| 02:15:43,500 | 02:15:45,500 | 移做他用的這個 |
| 02:15:45,500 | 02:15:47,500 | 規定 |
| 02:15:47,250 | 02:15:49,250 | 難道當時的這個 |
| 02:15:49,250 | 02:15:51,250 | 職訓局喔 |
| 02:15:51,250 | 02:15:53,250 | 修訂這個辦法是為了說 |
| 02:15:53,250 | 02:15:55,250 | 他們有預知未來的本能 |
| 02:15:55,250 | 02:15:57,250 | 知道說將來職安署 |
| 02:15:57,250 | 02:15:59,250 | 可以用這筆錢 |
| 02:15:59,250 | 02:16:01,250 | 去做這個職業安全 |
| 02:16:01,250 | 02:16:03,250 | 衛生的這個工作環境改善嗎 |
| 02:16:03,250 | 02:16:05,250 | 我想這樣的邏輯 |
| 02:16:05,250 | 02:16:07,250 | 本期是很難認同的啦 |
| 02:16:07,250 | 02:16:09,250 | 那如今說 |
| 02:16:09,250 | 02:16:11,250 | 這件事情被媒體喔 |
| 02:16:11,250 | 02:16:13,250 | 揭露出來那本期也是看到 |
| 02:16:13,250 | 02:16:15,250 | 報道說才發現說怎麼會有 |
| 02:16:15,250 | 02:16:17,250 | 這樣的事情所以職安署 |
| 02:16:17,250 | 02:16:19,250 | 你們自己的預算 |
| 02:16:19,250 | 02:16:21,250 | 已經這麼多了在公共預算 |
| 02:16:21,250 | 02:16:23,250 | 之外加上這個 |
| 02:16:23,250 | 02:16:25,250 | 自在保護基金救安 |
| 02:16:25,250 | 02:16:27,250 | 基金每年預算都超過30 |
| 02:16:27,250 | 02:16:29,250 | 億耶那實在是不應該 |
| 02:16:29,250 | 02:16:31,250 | 再去使用這筆基金喔 |
| 02:16:31,250 | 02:16:33,250 | 所以希望能夠讓這個 |
| 02:16:33,250 | 02:16:35,250 | 救保基金呢回歸法制 |
| 02:16:35,250 | 02:16:37,250 | 的用途那也請這個 |
| 02:16:37,250 | 02:16:39,250 | 勞動部好好的解釋喔 |
| 02:16:39,250 | 02:16:41,250 | 就業保險促進 |
| 02:16:41,250 | 02:16:43,250 | 就業實施辦法的第三條 |
| 02:16:43,250 | 02:16:45,250 | 內有關於這個工作環境的這個 |
| 02:16:45,250 | 02:16:47,250 | 範圍呢是否 |
| 02:16:47,250 | 02:16:49,250 | 涵掛職安法的工作環境 |
| 02:16:49,250 | 02:16:51,250 | 還是 |
| 02:16:51,250 | 02:16:53,250 | 僅限於這個就保法立法 |
| 02:16:53,250 | 02:16:55,250 | 精神的工作環境那也希望 |
| 02:16:55,250 | 02:16:57,250 | 你們在兩週內回復我們 |
| 02:16:57,250 | 02:16:59,250 | 委員會 |
| 02:16:58,730 | 02:17:00,730 | 謝謝 |
| 02:17:05,830 | 02:17:07,049 | 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 啊 |
| 02:17:08,850 | 02:17:14,510 | 好 這個有關於第十條 之前的討論 其實也討論蠻多的 |
| 02:17:14,510 | 02:17:19,050 | 那這邊包括國民黨黨團 還有本席都有提出這個 |
| 02:17:19,050 | 02:17:24,650 | 照顧津貼或照護津貼 那有關於這一個我們邁向高齡化社會 |
| 02:17:24,650 | 02:17:30,809 | 然後這個家裡面有需要照顧的這一些失能者或長者 |
| 02:17:30,809 | 02:17:36,650 | 那這個已經是現在很多家庭的壓力 那這個 |
| 02:17:38,120 | 02:17:44,520 | 這個民間團體也一直倡議 照顧不離職 那照顧不離職不是一個口號 |
| 02:17:44,520 | 02:17:51,020 | 就是如果它只是一個口號 沒有任何的行動 它是解決不了任何問題的 |
| 02:17:51,020 | 02:17:56,420 | 那當時為什麼我們是修在就業保險法裡面 因為就業保險法的精神 |
| 02:17:56,420 | 02:18:01,020 | 還是要促進勞工的就業 穩定他的就業 那如果一個勞工 |
| 02:18:01,020 | 02:18:06,720 | 因為家裡面的這個長者或失能者的照顧問題而離職 |
| 02:18:06,719 | 02:18:12,820 | 這當然就是對於他的就業是不利的情況嘛 那所以這一個部分呢 |
| 02:18:12,820 | 02:18:18,119 | 我當然知道勞動部的立場 這次主要是希望先處理這個新公法 |
| 02:18:18,119 | 02:18:22,820 | 就是幼兒照顧的問題 但是這個問題也不能只是放著 |
| 02:18:22,820 | 02:18:29,619 | 剛剛你們一直提到這個衛福部有長照三點 長照三點你完全沒有解決照顧不離職的問題 |
| 02:18:29,619 | 02:18:36,619 | 如果有民間團體就會 就不會一直在倡議 所以我覺得這個還是是政府應該要去面對的 |
| 02:18:36,620 | 02:18:42,920 | 問題 那我建議啦 就是還是都先行保留啦 我們協商的時候再並來討論 |
| 02:18:42,920 | 02:18:48,220 | 因為到目前為止我也沒看到衛福部有任何積極的政策 勞動部覺得這個不是你們的問題 |
| 02:18:48,220 | 02:18:54,820 | 是衛福部應該解決 但衛福部的長照三點你完全沒有處理到照顧不離職的部分 |
| 02:18:54,820 | 02:19:01,120 | 那所以這一個部分 因為也是很多民間團體的訴求 那也有很多委員有提出來 |
| 02:19:01,120 | 02:19:03,520 | 我是建議就也是先保留好了 |
| 02:19:05,889 | 02:19:07,389 | 廖委員 |
| 02:19:07,389 | 02:19:13,189 | 對 我也是覺得支持這個增加照顧津貼 但是這個部分 |
| 02:19:13,189 | 02:19:21,689 | 因為我覺得照顧津貼當然是希望惠及各種照顧者 尤其是照顧工作在傳統我們的華人世界多為女性 |
| 02:19:21,689 | 02:19:26,389 | 那如果說讓照顧工作有長 也可以實質的促進性別平等 |
| 02:19:26,389 | 02:19:32,090 | 再來我們可以看到數據啊 女性的勞產率在50歲以後也急劇的下滑 |
| 02:19:32,190 | 02:19:36,290 | 那我想很多的原因也因為照顧而離職 |
| 02:19:36,290 | 02:19:43,590 | 所以我覺得增加這個短期照顧津貼 也是希望說讓他們可以照顧不離職的關鍵 |
| 02:19:43,590 | 02:19:53,590 | 那我覺得現在把就保法只理解成只能處理失業啦 職訓啊 或者是育兒停留這些暫時沒薪資的情境 |
| 02:19:53,590 | 02:20:00,890 | 我覺得其實也是過於僵化 所以就保的核心我覺得也不只是補貼沒上班的那段時間 |
| 02:20:00,890 | 02:20:06,189 | 其實我想你們也一直在講的就是說 要避免勞工因為就業風險而脫離勞動市場嘛 |
| 02:20:06,189 | 02:20:13,390 | 你們也是希望是這樣 所以其實現在實務上 尤其我們台灣也是超高齡化社會一直在出現嘛 |
| 02:20:13,390 | 02:20:18,490 | 所以照顧家人導致離職 也是最經典的這種就業風險之一啊 |
| 02:20:18,490 | 02:20:24,590 | 所以現行的這個制度 就保制度本來就已經納入所謂的失業給付啦 |
| 02:20:24,590 | 02:20:31,090 | 職訓生活津貼啊 或者提早就業獎助 還有這個育兒留庭津貼等等 |
| 02:20:31,090 | 02:20:39,990 | 但是並非只限於狹義的失業 所以也表示這個立法目的早就已經從單純的失業補償擴張到穩定就業 |
| 02:20:39,990 | 02:20:48,490 | 然後讓他們可以回歸職場 然後維持勞工跟職場的連結 所以我覺得以照顧津貼這個概念上並不是外掛 |
| 02:20:48,490 | 02:20:51,390 | 也是在同一個政策脈絡下的延伸 |
| 02:20:51,390 | 02:20:58,590 | 那我想上次因為這個部長也提到 勞動部覺得這個照顧津貼就像是在補貼看護費 |
| 02:20:58,590 | 02:21:02,090 | 我覺得這個不太對 把這個制度功能講小了 |
| 02:21:02,090 | 02:21:11,390 | 真正的政策目的也不是替家庭強照費用買單 而是要當勞工因為照顧責任而即將離職的時候 |
| 02:21:11,390 | 02:21:16,789 | 可以提供他短期的支持 然後讓他在這個短期支持裡面可能可以找到其他的方案 |
| 02:21:16,790 | 02:21:19,790 | 讓他不必立即立刻的退出職場 |
| 02:21:19,790 | 02:21:25,090 | 所以剛剛不管是有提到這個部分跟所謂衛福部的這種長照的部分 |
| 02:21:25,090 | 02:21:29,490 | 其實我覺得他中間一定會有一個過渡期啊 在很多實務上面 |
| 02:21:29,490 | 02:21:34,290 | 所以我們也是希望降低照顧造成的非自願離職 |
| 02:21:34,290 | 02:21:38,890 | 跟這個就保的就業安全功能是有高度一致的 |
| 02:21:38,890 | 02:21:41,790 | 所以也要強調說勞工因為照顧直接離職 |
| 02:21:41,790 | 02:21:49,590 | 其實剛剛有提到 我覺得最大原因剛剛有提到是這個所謂經費啊 費用負擔到底是多少錢 |
| 02:21:49,590 | 02:21:55,590 | 所以我覺得 但是這個東西你如果只看單一個這個部分的費用的話 |
| 02:21:55,590 | 02:21:57,790 | 其實也未必是真的很精準哦 |
| 02:21:57,790 | 02:22:02,290 | 因為如果他因為照顧直接離職 政府也未必是真的有省錢哦 |
| 02:22:02,290 | 02:22:06,990 | 因為他後續也可能會轉入這個失業給付啦 社福補助啦 |
| 02:22:06,990 | 02:22:10,290 | 或者長照壓力跟家庭照顧者的浩劫 |
| 02:22:10,290 | 02:22:15,190 | 所以我覺得這個概念上為什麼說支持或是想要提倡這個東西 |
| 02:22:15,190 | 02:22:18,490 | 就是因為與其等勞工完全退出職場哦 |
| 02:22:18,490 | 02:22:23,690 | 其實有些時候你在短期津貼 看有沒有辦法把它留在就業市場裡面 |
| 02:22:23,690 | 02:22:25,890 | 然後這其實是一個前端的預防 |
| 02:22:25,890 | 02:22:29,790 | 也比事後的補救更符合所謂的就保的精神哦 |
| 02:22:29,790 | 02:22:35,390 | 所以也要提醒政策上不應該把勞工照顧的風險完全也切給社福體系 |
| 02:22:35,390 | 02:22:38,590 | 因為照顧離職本身也是勞動殘餘的問題 |
| 02:22:38,590 | 02:22:42,390 | 所以理應也由就保承擔一部分維持就業的責任 |
| 02:22:42,390 | 02:22:45,390 | 那剛剛衛福部有講到負責長照的服務的部分 |
| 02:22:45,390 | 02:22:47,390 | 其實他兩者並不互斥 |
| 02:22:47,390 | 02:22:49,490 | 而且他應該是分工互補 |
| 02:22:49,490 | 02:22:53,190 | 因為他在接到要接觸這個需要長照的過程中 |
| 02:22:53,190 | 02:22:58,990 | 搞不好他真的是有一個短暫的空窗期是需要就保這裡去支持的 |
| 02:22:58,990 | 02:23:02,490 | 所以我覺得以上是我的對於這個部分的建議哦 |
| 02:23:02,490 | 02:23:03,290 | 第十條的建議 |
| 02:23:04,190 | 02:23:06,290 | 黃秀芳委員接下來再翻譯 |
| 02:23:06,290 | 02:23:07,490 | 黃秀芳委員 |
| 02:23:07,490 | 02:23:08,490 | 謝謝哦 |
| 02:23:08,490 | 02:23:12,890 | 那個我看到其實我們現在高齡化社會 |
| 02:23:12,890 | 02:23:16,590 | 那確實有很多的這個家庭 |
| 02:23:16,590 | 02:23:18,090 | 因為子女越來越少 |
| 02:23:18,090 | 02:23:22,590 | 就像我們的下一代可能這個少子女化的關係 |
| 02:23:22,590 | 02:23:24,690 | 那我們的長輩可能需要 |
| 02:23:24,690 | 02:23:26,890 | 譬如說現在高齡化可能需要就醫 |
| 02:23:26,890 | 02:23:31,190 | 或者是需要有要再去這個看醫生 |
| 02:23:31,190 | 02:23:32,390 | 那像這樣子的話 |
| 02:23:32,390 | 02:23:36,090 | 有時候這個勞工他可能就需要請假 |
| 02:23:36,090 | 02:23:37,390 | 那像這樣子的話 |
| 02:23:37,390 | 02:23:41,090 | 我們是不是可以請就是說勞動部剛剛有提到 |
| 02:23:41,090 | 02:23:43,990 | 就是說這個家庭照顧假津貼 |
| 02:23:43,990 | 02:23:46,890 | 可能不宜放在這個這個就保裡面 |
| 02:23:46,890 | 02:23:49,189 | 那未來是不是我們可以建議 |
| 02:23:49,189 | 02:23:51,390 | 就是勞動部跟衛福部 |
| 02:23:51,390 | 02:23:53,090 | 針對這一部分 |
| 02:23:53,090 | 02:23:56,990 | 就是說這個長照基金的支應照顧津貼 |
| 02:23:56,990 | 02:24:00,590 | 我覺得兩個部會應該要跨部會去協調一下 |
| 02:24:00,590 | 02:24:06,090 | 那是不是可以先找一些這個企業先來示範 |
| 02:24:06,090 | 02:24:09,390 | 因為我確實有碰到這樣的一個狀況 |
| 02:24:09,390 | 02:24:12,190 | 就是說照顧跟這個就業 |
| 02:24:12,190 | 02:24:14,090 | 我覺得應該是要兼顧的 |
| 02:24:14,090 | 02:24:17,990 | 不要因為說要照顧家裡面的小孩或者是長輩 |
| 02:24:17,990 | 02:24:19,190 | 那他就離職 |
| 02:24:19,190 | 02:24:22,890 | 其實這個都是我們整個社會的一個損失 |
| 02:24:22,890 | 02:24:23,990 | 所以我是不是可以建議 |
| 02:24:23,990 | 02:24:26,990 | 就是說勞動部跟衛福部針對這一部分 |
| 02:24:26,990 | 02:24:29,690 | 你們應該要先有一些示範的一個計畫 |
| 02:24:32,190 | 02:24:33,590 | 好再一位 |
| 02:24:34,810 | 02:24:37,910 | 我想大家剛剛提到的這個長照安培價 |
| 02:24:37,910 | 02:24:41,410 | 也是我從2024年就開始提案推動 |
| 02:24:41,410 | 02:24:45,410 | 那它其實已經有放到賴總統的長照3.0的 |
| 02:24:45,410 | 02:24:48,109 | 照顧不離職的核心證件 |
| 02:24:48,109 | 02:24:51,710 | 那我知道勞動部其實現在是有個經費考量 |
| 02:24:51,710 | 02:24:54,109 | 然後改革是有階段性 |
| 02:24:54,109 | 02:24:57,810 | 所以就如同剛剛黃秀芳委員提到的 |
| 02:24:57,810 | 02:25:00,510 | 這是錢到底是哪裡來會是個關鍵 |
| 02:25:00,510 | 02:25:01,810 | 那我的確同意就是說 |
| 02:25:01,810 | 02:25:03,810 | 其實如果談到長照的話 |
| 02:25:03,810 | 02:25:06,010 | 比較偏向福利 |
| 02:25:06,010 | 02:25:09,510 | 那以長照基金來支應的話會更合理 |
| 02:25:09,510 | 02:25:13,210 | 所以這裡我跟黃秀芳委員還有王振勳還有岳晴 |
| 02:25:13,210 | 02:25:15,410 | 稍微我們有一個附帶決議 |
| 02:25:15,410 | 02:25:18,910 | 那就是希望勞動部跟衛福部積極盤點 |
| 02:25:18,910 | 02:25:21,910 | 長照3.0上落後的民眾需求 |
| 02:25:21,910 | 02:25:24,109 | 那對於就目前育兒留庭 |
| 02:25:24,109 | 02:25:26,810 | 今天以日申請的實施經驗 |
| 02:25:26,810 | 02:25:31,310 | 積極規劃以長照基金支應照顧今天 |
| 02:25:31,310 | 02:25:34,010 | 並擇訂數家企業事辦 |
| 02:25:34,010 | 02:25:36,510 | 嚴禮推動長照安排假 |
| 02:25:36,510 | 02:25:39,710 | 長期照顧安排留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:25:39,710 | 02:25:41,310 | 那等等那我想 |
| 02:25:41,310 | 02:25:44,609 | 這應該就是我們下一階段改革的重點 |
| 02:25:44,609 | 02:25:47,910 | 那看起來大家是不分黨派都支持 |
| 02:25:47,910 | 02:25:49,010 | 照顧不離職 |
| 02:25:49,010 | 02:25:52,310 | 那從育兒又能夠到長照的部分 |
| 02:25:52,310 | 02:25:55,710 | 我想有新家庭照顧假跟長照安排假 |
| 02:25:55,710 | 02:25:59,710 | 的確就是我們期待勞動部下一階段努力的目標 |
| 02:25:59,810 | 02:26:02,410 | 那我希望我們能夠用附帶決議處理 |
| 02:26:02,410 | 02:26:06,910 | 然後也讓勞動部跟衛福部去盤點相關的需求 |
| 02:26:06,910 | 02:26:08,410 | 那開始事辦以上 |
| 02:26:10,190 | 02:26:10,690 | 呃 |
| 02:26:13,150 | 02:26:15,250 | 好謝謝主席 |
| 02:26:15,250 | 02:26:19,449 | 那因為我們在性供法上 |
| 02:26:19,449 | 02:26:22,050 | 就是有賦予勞工 |
| 02:26:22,050 | 02:26:25,750 | 除了育嬰留職今天的勤令之外 |
| 02:26:25,750 | 02:26:28,750 | 我們還增訂了親子假今天的勤令 |
| 02:26:28,750 | 02:26:30,750 | 親子教育假今天的勤令 |
| 02:26:30,750 | 02:26:32,449 | 家庭照顧假今天的勤令 |
| 02:26:32,449 | 02:26:33,750 | 因為我們想說在性供法 |
| 02:26:33,750 | 02:26:35,250 | 既然賦予這些假 |
| 02:26:35,250 | 02:26:38,350 | 那後就是後端的一些 |
| 02:26:38,350 | 02:26:40,150 | 資源系統要強大 |
| 02:26:40,150 | 02:26:42,050 | 經濟上資源系統要強大 |
| 02:26:42,050 | 02:26:44,150 | 才能夠讓父母覺得 |
| 02:26:44,150 | 02:26:45,750 | 有經濟上的靠山 |
| 02:26:45,750 | 02:26:48,750 | 以至於請這些這些假無後顧之憂 |
| 02:26:48,750 | 02:26:51,949 | 所以我們在救福救保法就相對應的 |
| 02:26:51,949 | 02:26:53,550 | 就是設計了這些 |
| 02:26:53,550 | 02:26:54,849 | 親子假的津貼 |
| 02:26:54,849 | 02:26:56,150 | 親子教育假的津貼 |
| 02:26:56,150 | 02:26:58,150 | 家庭照顧假的津貼 |
| 02:26:58,150 | 02:27:00,949 | 那這是我們台灣民眾黨提出的 |
| 02:27:00,949 | 02:27:02,349 | 修法條文 |
| 02:27:02,349 | 02:27:03,949 | 那以上說明謝謝 |
| 02:27:05,050 | 02:27:06,250 | 好 廖瑋祥 |
| 02:27:06,250 | 02:27:08,050 | 我覺得還是要強調 |
| 02:27:08,050 | 02:27:10,350 | 其實我不覺得他真的 |
| 02:27:10,350 | 02:27:11,050 | 像我剛剛說的 |
| 02:27:11,050 | 02:27:12,350 | 其實衛福部勞動部 |
| 02:27:12,350 | 02:27:14,150 | 在這個照顧津貼 |
| 02:27:14,150 | 02:27:15,750 | 或是照顧這方面的政策 |
| 02:27:15,750 | 02:27:17,050 | 應該是互補的 |
| 02:27:17,050 | 02:27:19,450 | 我不認為完全是所謂的 |
| 02:27:19,450 | 02:27:21,550 | 這個社會福利 |
| 02:27:21,550 | 02:27:24,150 | 因為我剛剛有提到一個最重要的 |
| 02:27:24,150 | 02:27:26,950 | 他也是符合這個救保保險的之一 |
| 02:27:26,950 | 02:27:30,350 | 就是說因為他因為照顧家人導致離職 |
| 02:27:30,350 | 02:27:32,350 | 其實他也是就業風險之一 |
| 02:27:32,350 | 02:27:34,550 | 而且現在看起來這樣的 |
| 02:27:34,949 | 02:27:36,650 | 比例也是越來越高 |
| 02:27:36,650 | 02:27:38,550 | 那但是我覺得這個部分 |
| 02:27:38,550 | 02:27:40,349 | 當然還有不同的意見要討論 |
| 02:27:40,349 | 02:27:43,050 | 或甚至是之後 |
| 02:27:43,050 | 02:27:44,750 | 還有什麼相關的數據提供 |
| 02:27:44,750 | 02:27:46,750 | 所以我覺得我是建議就保留 |
| 02:27:46,750 | 02:27:48,250 | 好 先保留 保留送出 |
| 02:27:51,510 | 02:27:52,010 | 呃 |
| 02:27:52,920 | 02:27:53,920 | 勞動部這邊呢 |
| 02:27:56,380 | 02:27:57,880 | 跟委員補充報告 |
| 02:27:57,880 | 02:27:59,279 | 就是就業保險法 |
| 02:27:59,279 | 02:28:01,980 | 他的體力跟勞保條例不太一樣 |
| 02:28:01,980 | 02:28:04,279 | 他除了保險給付以外 |
| 02:28:04,279 | 02:28:06,080 | 他用保險給付來協助 |
| 02:28:06,080 | 02:28:08,080 | 失業勞工儘速來重返職場 |
| 02:28:08,080 | 02:28:10,980 | 但是我們也用第十二條 |
| 02:28:10,980 | 02:28:14,380 | 用第十二條每年在應收保費的百分之十 |
| 02:28:14,380 | 02:28:16,580 | 跟歷年餘額的範圍內 |
| 02:28:16,580 | 02:28:18,179 | 來辦理出勤就業措施 |
| 02:28:18,179 | 02:28:20,080 | 來協助穩定就業 |
| 02:28:20,080 | 02:28:21,480 | 那所以意思就是說 |
| 02:28:21,480 | 02:28:23,380 | 在保險給付的部分 |
| 02:28:23,380 | 02:28:25,779 | 我們遵守所謂社會保險的 |
| 02:28:25,780 | 02:28:28,080 | 所的替代的概念 |
| 02:28:28,080 | 02:28:29,880 | 他必須要沒有工作 |
| 02:28:29,880 | 02:28:32,580 | 那沒有工作沒有取得薪水 |
| 02:28:32,580 | 02:28:34,280 | 我們才給他補償 |
| 02:28:34,280 | 02:28:35,780 | 那但是在十二條的部分 |
| 02:28:35,780 | 02:28:38,680 | 我們可以做一些促進就業的措施 |
| 02:28:38,680 | 02:28:40,580 | 來穩定勞工的就業 |
| 02:28:40,580 | 02:28:42,980 | 那未來我們在長照的這個部分 |
| 02:28:42,980 | 02:28:45,380 | 剛剛委員範雲 |
| 02:28:45,380 | 02:28:47,880 | 或者是黃信鴻委員都有提到 |
| 02:28:47,880 | 02:28:50,080 | 說要不要用附帶決議的這個部分 |
| 02:28:50,080 | 02:28:51,480 | 那我們在想說 |
| 02:28:51,480 | 02:28:53,880 | 我們是不是也可以這樣來處理他 |
| 02:28:53,880 | 02:28:54,480 | 那以上 |
| 02:28:54,580 | 02:28:55,480 | 主要是因為 |
| 02:28:55,480 | 02:28:57,779 | 剛剛委員有提到那個 |
| 02:28:57,779 | 02:28:59,380 | 申請家世 |
| 02:28:59,380 | 02:29:00,880 | 就是照顧津貼的部分 |
| 02:29:00,880 | 02:29:04,380 | 他是要證明申請家世 |
| 02:29:04,380 | 02:29:05,980 | 服務替代人力的津貼 |
| 02:29:05,980 | 02:29:07,080 | 意思就是說 |
| 02:29:07,080 | 02:29:08,380 | 他還是持續到辦 |
| 02:29:08,380 | 02:29:11,380 | 但是他可能有需要請假 |
| 02:29:11,380 | 02:29:12,980 | 去照顧尊親署 |
| 02:29:12,980 | 02:29:14,279 | 但是他還是持續到辦 |
| 02:29:14,279 | 02:29:16,380 | 他必須要請所謂的 |
| 02:29:16,380 | 02:29:17,580 | 家世服務替代人力 |
| 02:29:17,580 | 02:29:19,279 | 那這個也要來申請津貼 |
| 02:29:19,279 | 02:29:20,980 | 在我們的保險給付上 |
| 02:29:20,980 | 02:29:22,080 | 沒有這樣的東西 |
| 02:29:22,080 | 02:29:23,779 | 如果這個東西可以過的話 |
| 02:29:23,880 | 02:29:26,080 | 那麼玉英劉庭津貼 |
| 02:29:26,080 | 02:29:27,280 | 他是要求 |
| 02:29:27,280 | 02:29:28,580 | 他必須要親自服役 |
| 02:29:28,580 | 02:29:31,680 | 他給他的是一個所得的替代 |
| 02:29:31,680 | 02:29:34,280 | 就跟這個完全是不一樣 |
| 02:29:34,280 | 02:29:35,380 | 那以上補充 |
| 02:29:37,460 | 02:29:38,360 | 這一條保留 |
| 02:29:38,360 | 02:29:40,160 | 不過我要講就是說 |
| 02:29:40,960 | 02:29:42,960 | 之前我在新文法本來就有提 |
| 02:29:42,960 | 02:29:44,260 | 所謂長照安排價 |
| 02:29:44,260 | 02:29:46,160 | 也覺得不予申訂 |
| 02:29:46,160 | 02:29:47,360 | 可是在這邊 |
| 02:29:48,410 | 02:29:50,609 | 我也當然不贊成所謂照顧津貼 |
| 02:29:50,609 | 02:29:52,109 | 因為事實上我們 |
| 02:29:52,109 | 02:29:53,310 | 不管是民營團體 |
| 02:29:53,310 | 02:29:54,810 | 或是我們收到的食物經驗 |
| 02:29:54,810 | 02:29:56,510 | 都是期待事實上是 |
| 02:29:56,510 | 02:29:57,810 | 給他們假 |
| 02:29:57,810 | 02:29:59,109 | 而不是給錢 |
| 02:29:59,109 | 02:30:01,109 | 因為給錢沒有辦法解決事情 |
| 02:30:01,109 | 02:30:02,109 | 他們很多時候 |
| 02:30:02,109 | 02:30:04,510 | 他們當然遇到長輩要 |
| 02:30:05,320 | 02:30:06,420 | 進入到長照的時候 |
| 02:30:06,420 | 02:30:09,220 | 需要一些自己去辦理 |
| 02:30:09,720 | 02:30:11,420 | 加上我們看113年 |
| 02:30:11,420 | 02:30:13,420 | 因照顧長輩而離職的勞工人數 |
| 02:30:13,420 | 02:30:16,119 | 是照顧小孩而離職人數的2.4倍 |
| 02:30:16,119 | 02:30:19,320 | 而且全國將近90萬失明者 |
| 02:30:19,320 | 02:30:20,420 | 需要照顧 |
| 02:30:20,420 | 02:30:22,019 | 那自己勞工部自己也調查說 |
| 02:30:22,019 | 02:30:25,220 | 大概有77%的受僱者期待 |
| 02:30:25,220 | 02:30:26,119 | 長照安排價 |
| 02:30:26,119 | 02:30:29,420 | 或者長期照顧留職停薪的一個制度 |
| 02:30:30,019 | 02:30:32,519 | 那所以我不認為今天給錢 |
| 02:30:32,519 | 02:30:34,320 | 真的就會說照顧不離職 |
| 02:30:34,619 | 02:30:37,820 | 那我也非常重視照顧離職這個課題 |
| 02:30:37,820 | 02:30:40,720 | 可是我覺得應該是要去考慮給價 |
| 02:30:40,720 | 02:30:41,619 | 而不是只有 |
| 02:30:41,619 | 02:30:43,119 | 不是去提這個錢 |
| 02:30:43,619 | 02:30:45,420 | 以上 那我們這一題就 |
| 02:30:45,420 | 02:30:46,920 | 這一條就是 |
| 02:30:47,320 | 02:30:49,520 | 第十條就保留 |
| 02:30:49,520 | 02:30:50,920 | 接下來續審第十一條 |
| 02:30:52,490 | 02:30:55,090 | 跟各位報告第十一條 |
| 02:30:55,090 | 02:30:56,890 | 它涉及到幾個部分 |
| 02:30:57,289 | 02:30:58,690 | 那第一個部分是 |
| 02:30:58,690 | 02:31:01,190 | 委員有提到提案是失業給付等待 |
| 02:31:01,190 | 02:31:03,390 | 期要縮短為7天的這個部分 |
| 02:31:03,789 | 02:31:06,890 | 那我們是這個部分是有助於 |
| 02:31:06,890 | 02:31:08,890 | 背包險可以更早領到給付 |
| 02:31:09,289 | 02:31:10,890 | 那所以我們競表支持 |
| 02:31:11,390 | 02:31:12,789 | 那第二個部分是 |
| 02:31:13,289 | 02:31:15,289 | 育嬰留職停薪今天的子女 |
| 02:31:15,289 | 02:31:17,490 | 年齡的條件延後延長 |
| 02:31:17,490 | 02:31:18,990 | 以及修正名稱的部分 |
| 02:31:18,990 | 02:31:21,789 | 那這個我們就這個是願版 |
| 02:31:21,790 | 02:31:24,090 | 那我們就參考 |
| 02:31:24,090 | 02:31:27,490 | 新公法的這個規定來處理 |
| 02:31:27,490 | 02:31:28,990 | 那因為新公法是保留 |
| 02:31:28,990 | 02:31:29,990 | 所以這個部分 |
| 02:31:29,990 | 02:31:31,990 | 可能就也併同保留 |
| 02:31:34,270 | 02:31:36,270 | 十一條有沒有委員有一件 |
| 02:31:36,270 | 02:31:38,370 | 沒有的話我們就第十一條 |
| 02:31:38,370 | 02:31:40,370 | 也進行保留 |
| 02:31:40,970 | 02:31:43,770 | 接下來續審19-2 |
| 02:31:47,300 | 02:31:51,500 | 那19條-2是育嬰留職停薪津貼的 |
| 02:31:52,700 | 02:31:53,900 | 條件跟標準 |
| 02:31:54,400 | 02:31:56,700 | 那這個條文是我們配合 |
| 02:31:56,700 | 02:31:59,900 | 剛剛講的第十條的育嬰留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:31:59,900 | 02:32:02,100 | 改為育兒留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:32:02,500 | 02:32:03,700 | 另外在第三項 |
| 02:32:03,700 | 02:32:06,500 | 我們也訂明依照家世事件法 |
| 02:32:06,500 | 02:32:09,600 | 跟兒童及少年福利及前逸保障法 |
| 02:32:09,600 | 02:32:12,200 | 相關規定跟收養兒童 |
| 02:32:12,200 | 02:32:14,100 | 先行共同生活的背包險 |
| 02:32:14,500 | 02:32:17,000 | 也可以用我們這一次的修正條文的 |
| 02:32:17,000 | 02:32:19,300 | 19條-3的6加3的這個 |
| 02:32:19,300 | 02:32:20,600 | 第一項跟第二項的規定 |
| 02:32:20,600 | 02:32:23,100 | 來領育兒留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:32:23,300 | 02:32:24,300 | 來保障前逸 |
| 02:32:24,300 | 02:32:26,700 | 那委員的提案我們都盡表支持 |
| 02:32:26,900 | 02:32:29,600 | 那另外委員有提案就是在19條-2 |
| 02:32:29,600 | 02:32:31,700 | 來增訂雙清零滿六個月 |
| 02:32:31,700 | 02:32:33,700 | 再加罰一個月的這個部分 |
| 02:32:34,000 | 02:32:37,000 | 那我們月版是放在19條-3 |
| 02:32:37,000 | 02:32:40,300 | 所以我們建議一列到19條-3來規範 |
| 02:32:40,700 | 02:32:42,900 | 那另外也有配合剛剛講的 |
| 02:32:42,900 | 02:32:44,800 | 第十一條修正條文 |
| 02:32:45,099 | 02:32:46,400 | 來照顧 |
| 02:32:46,400 | 02:32:50,699 | 剛剛講照顧孫子女可以領津貼的這個修正的 |
| 02:32:50,699 | 02:32:53,400 | 可以領育兒留職停薪津貼的這個部分 |
| 02:32:53,699 | 02:32:56,699 | 那這個部分在新公法的部分是 |
| 02:32:56,699 | 02:33:00,300 | 用金法院裁定或選 |
| 02:33:00,300 | 02:33:02,699 | 金法院裁定選定或改定 |
| 02:33:02,699 | 02:33:05,599 | 為兒童是監護人可以來領育兒留職停薪 |
| 02:33:05,599 | 02:33:08,500 | 津貼的這個修正動議來替代 |
| 02:33:08,500 | 02:33:10,699 | 那這個部分我們也盡表支持 |
| 02:33:11,099 | 02:33:13,300 | 那另外就是有關也提到 |
| 02:33:14,199 | 02:33:16,500 | 委員提到要提高津貼給付的標準 |
| 02:33:16,500 | 02:33:17,800 | 跟延長給付的部分 |
| 02:33:18,199 | 02:33:19,800 | 我們都建議不予修正 |
| 02:33:19,800 | 02:33:23,199 | 那主要是因為有關育孕留職停薪 |
| 02:33:23,199 | 02:33:26,300 | 他是除了我們就保有法 |
| 02:33:26,300 | 02:33:28,699 | 提供的六成的育孕留職停薪津貼之外 |
| 02:33:29,199 | 02:33:31,800 | 那我們為了要增加他的經濟支持 |
| 02:33:31,800 | 02:33:35,400 | 我們另外訂了育孕留職停薪津貼的一個補助要點 |
| 02:33:35,400 | 02:33:37,199 | 用公務預算來支個兩成 |
| 02:33:37,599 | 02:33:41,199 | 那現行的育孕留職停薪津貼的替代已經達到八成 |
| 02:33:41,600 | 02:33:43,500 | 那另外我們也在九條之一 |
| 02:33:43,800 | 02:33:46,800 | 的一個新訂的修法查案裡面也 |
| 02:33:47,300 | 02:33:48,100 | 希望能夠 |
| 02:33:49,100 | 02:33:51,400 | 跟勞保的分級表來脫鉤 |
| 02:33:51,400 | 02:33:53,900 | 來提高他的所得 |
| 02:33:54,400 | 02:33:55,900 | 那另外再就是 |
| 02:33:56,900 | 02:33:59,900 | 他這個部分六成的育孕留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:33:59,900 | 02:34:02,000 | 也是參照我們事業給付的內容來 |
| 02:34:02,300 | 02:34:06,000 | 訂定那確保整個保險制度的一個橫平 |
| 02:34:06,000 | 02:34:09,200 | 那也繼勞工重回至常的可能性 |
| 02:34:09,400 | 02:34:11,900 | 跟雇主可容忍的範圍來訂定 |
| 02:34:12,400 | 02:34:16,400 | 那經過相關的調查勞工如果育孕留停的期間越長 |
| 02:34:16,400 | 02:34:18,400 | 負資面臨的困難跟適應 |
| 02:34:18,700 | 02:34:20,900 | 貨技能衰退的比例就會越高 |
| 02:34:20,900 | 02:34:22,800 | 所以這個部分延長 |
| 02:34:22,800 | 02:34:26,400 | 今天給付期間會涉及到勞工資料的發展 |
| 02:34:26,400 | 02:34:27,900 | 事業給付等比照原因 |
| 02:34:27,900 | 02:34:30,400 | 以及加重就保的財務負擔等等問題 |
| 02:34:30,900 | 02:34:34,400 | 那所以不利於勞工的積極的行職 |
| 02:34:34,900 | 02:34:37,700 | 那另外委員有提到要加給兩成 |
| 02:34:37,700 | 02:34:40,500 | 育孕留職停薪津貼要法制化的這個部分 |
| 02:34:40,500 | 02:34:42,600 | 以及要對特定的對象 |
| 02:34:42,600 | 02:34:44,800 | 用公務預算來加給津貼的這個部分 |
| 02:34:45,200 | 02:34:46,900 | 那我們建議都不予鎮定 |
| 02:34:46,900 | 02:34:50,000 | 那主要是因為育孕留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:34:51,000 | 02:34:54,100 | 這個制度是適用在說不只勞工 |
| 02:34:54,100 | 02:34:55,400 | 也適用在軍公教 |
| 02:34:55,800 | 02:34:58,000 | 那政府再不影響各個執意保險的 |
| 02:34:58,000 | 02:35:00,500 | 跟國家財政可負擔的前提是 |
| 02:35:00,500 | 02:35:02,800 | 是要編列了兩成來補助 |
| 02:35:03,400 | 02:35:05,200 | 來強化這個經濟支持 |
| 02:35:05,700 | 02:35:08,700 | 那這個補助是屬於給付行政的性質 |
| 02:35:08,700 | 02:35:13,100 | 那各類的保險的主管機關分別訂立要點 |
| 02:35:13,100 | 02:35:15,100 | 作為長期編列預算的依據 |
| 02:35:15,500 | 02:35:17,300 | 那所以整個薪資補助 |
| 02:35:17,300 | 02:35:19,500 | 是不是要提升到法律未接 |
| 02:35:19,800 | 02:35:21,200 | 應該配合國家整體的 |
| 02:35:21,200 | 02:35:23,000 | 稍遲化政策來規劃辦理 |
| 02:35:23,700 | 02:35:26,400 | 那另外就是有提到說用 |
| 02:35:27,300 | 02:35:31,100 | 就是再加給原住民族群的這個 |
| 02:35:31,400 | 02:35:32,500 | 津貼的這個部分 |
| 02:35:32,500 | 02:35:34,700 | 因為我們的育孕留職停薪津貼的 |
| 02:35:34,700 | 02:35:37,400 | 這個補助一體適用到全體的被保險人 |
| 02:35:37,900 | 02:35:41,000 | 那沒有依照不同的族群有差別的標準 |
| 02:35:41,500 | 02:35:44,000 | 那這個部分會涉及到政府財政的 |
| 02:35:44,000 | 02:35:46,800 | 可負擔心跟是否排戶等等問題 |
| 02:35:47,630 | 02:35:49,529 | 那另外我們也有提到 |
| 02:35:49,529 | 02:35:52,029 | 甄定父母可以選擇由預防單獨來 |
| 02:35:52,330 | 02:35:54,630 | 親單獨來請你一年 |
| 02:35:54,630 | 02:35:57,330 | 不受最長六個月的一個限制的這個部分 |
| 02:35:57,929 | 02:36:00,929 | 那有關育孕留職停薪津貼的規範 |
| 02:36:01,330 | 02:36:04,429 | 規範雙親應該分別來請你 |
| 02:36:04,429 | 02:36:04,830 | 是 |
| 02:36:05,550 | 02:36:07,450 | 鼓勵雙親來共同育兒 |
| 02:36:07,450 | 02:36:08,750 | 促進性別的平等 |
| 02:36:09,150 | 02:36:12,350 | 如果放寬由父母一方來單獨請你 |
| 02:36:12,350 | 02:36:16,150 | 目前女性申請比較多的一種情況之下 |
| 02:36:16,150 | 02:36:18,350 | 會導致男性申請的比例更降低 |
| 02:36:18,750 | 02:36:21,350 | 那由女性來負責照顧責任 |
| 02:36:21,350 | 02:36:24,250 | 進而來影響女性的就業跟資源的發展 |
| 02:36:24,250 | 02:36:26,350 | 所以我們建議不宜甄定 |
| 02:36:26,350 | 02:36:28,050 | 那另外我也有提到 |
| 02:36:28,750 | 02:36:31,450 | 甄定依照收出養媒合 |
| 02:36:31,450 | 02:36:32,650 | 近親收養 |
| 02:36:32,650 | 02:36:34,250 | 近親收養相關規定 |
| 02:36:34,250 | 02:36:36,450 | 如果跟收養兒童 |
| 02:36:36,450 | 02:36:39,150 | 共同生活且進入收養程序的背包前 |
| 02:36:39,150 | 02:36:41,550 | 可以用公正的企業書 |
| 02:36:42,150 | 02:36:43,550 | 簽署的日期企算 |
| 02:36:43,950 | 02:36:45,650 | 那這個部分我們現行的 |
| 02:36:46,150 | 02:36:47,650 | 相關的函式已經可以處理 |
| 02:36:47,650 | 02:36:49,150 | 我們建議不宜甄定 |
| 02:36:49,150 | 02:36:49,750 | 那以上 |
| 02:36:55,470 | 02:36:55,970 | 謝謝主席 |
| 02:36:55,970 | 02:36:58,170 | 這本席的提案除了大方向 |
| 02:36:58,170 | 02:36:59,870 | 比如說包含延長這個 |
| 02:37:00,670 | 02:37:02,370 | 發給的這個期限之外 |
| 02:37:03,070 | 02:37:05,370 | 然後還有把這個本來是6加2 |
| 02:37:05,370 | 02:37:06,870 | 把它明文入法 |
| 02:37:06,870 | 02:37:08,370 | 這我想這都是提宗應有質疑 |
| 02:37:08,370 | 02:37:09,870 | 大家應該也不會有太多意見 |
| 02:37:09,870 | 02:37:11,270 | 但我們希望不要為得不足 |
| 02:37:11,670 | 02:37:14,070 | 現在既然這個少子女化的問題非常嚴重 |
| 02:37:14,470 | 02:37:17,270 | 那這個鼓勵生育總是有必要的 |
| 02:37:17,670 | 02:37:19,770 | 那麼這個相關一些津貼的情領 |
| 02:37:20,670 | 02:37:21,470 | 總是越寬越好 |
| 02:37:21,470 | 02:37:22,270 | 所以我們有講 |
| 02:37:22,270 | 02:37:23,170 | 就是中低收入戶 |
| 02:37:23,170 | 02:37:23,670 | 低收入戶 |
| 02:37:23,670 | 02:37:25,270 | 擔心家庭生意傷害等等 |
| 02:37:25,670 | 02:37:26,770 | 那就乾脆6加4 |
| 02:37:26,770 | 02:37:27,970 | 然後補到百分之百 |
| 02:37:27,970 | 02:37:29,370 | 我是覺得針對弱勢的部分 |
| 02:37:29,370 | 02:37:30,570 | 再給多一點的照顧 |
| 02:37:30,870 | 02:37:32,670 | 我想是送暖的行為 |
| 02:37:32,870 | 02:37:33,670 | 那相對來講 |
| 02:37:33,670 | 02:37:35,170 | 這個人數畢竟不是多數 |
| 02:37:35,370 | 02:37:36,170 | 所以我覺得這部分 |
| 02:37:36,170 | 02:37:38,470 | 如果可以把它寫在19條之二裡面 |
| 02:37:38,670 | 02:37:41,170 | 這個法條應該會更完整一些 |
| 02:37:41,170 | 02:37:43,170 | 所以這本席的這個提案的主張 |
| 02:37:43,170 | 02:37:44,270 | 希望大家可以採納以上 |
| 02:37:47,780 | 02:37:49,080 | 主席好那因為呢 |
| 02:37:49,080 | 02:37:51,180 | 好我們台灣民眾黨有提出親 |
| 02:37:51,280 | 02:37:52,280 | 親職吧 |
| 02:37:52,480 | 02:37:54,280 | 講先講第19條之二 |
| 02:37:54,280 | 02:37:55,380 | 好就是育嬰留職 |
| 02:37:55,480 | 02:37:57,380 | 今天那目前現行法 |
| 02:37:57,580 | 02:37:58,680 | 的規定是六個月 |
| 02:37:58,680 | 02:38:00,480 | 那我們在法規制度上 |
| 02:38:00,480 | 02:38:02,980 | 把它補足兩個月的法律依據這樣 |
| 02:38:02,980 | 02:38:05,180 | 這是第19條之二 |
| 02:38:05,280 | 02:38:06,880 | 那第19條之三 |
| 02:38:06,880 | 02:38:07,780 | 因為我們有親 |
| 02:38:07,880 | 02:38:10,880 | 親子家親子教育家跟家庭照顧家 |
| 02:38:10,880 | 02:38:12,380 | 那這個津貼的來源 |
| 02:38:12,380 | 02:38:14,280 | 我們一併在19條之二做 |
| 02:38:14,580 | 02:38:15,680 | 規範好那 |
| 02:38:15,780 | 02:38:17,480 | 因為這個都涉及到第10條 |
| 02:38:17,480 | 02:38:19,080 | 跟第11條保留條文 |
| 02:38:19,080 | 02:38:20,280 | 所以我們也建議 |
| 02:38:20,480 | 02:38:22,680 | 第13第19條之三保留 |
| 02:38:22,680 | 02:38:25,080 | 那第19條之二如果沒有辦法 |
| 02:38:25,180 | 02:38:27,880 | 今天有共識也盡情保留以上說明 |
| 02:38:30,600 | 02:38:33,400 | 那我們現在19條之二保留 |
| 02:38:33,600 | 02:38:35,000 | 那19條之三 |
| 02:38:38,860 | 02:38:39,360 | 好 |
| 02:38:43,150 | 02:38:45,449 | 那19條之三保留 |
| 02:38:51,440 | 02:38:52,040 | 20條 |
| 02:38:53,020 | 02:38:54,820 | 那接下來20條 |
| 02:38:59,100 | 02:39:01,900 | 跟委員報告20條是配合剛的 |
| 02:39:01,900 | 02:39:04,000 | 11條失業給付的等待期 |
| 02:39:04,000 | 02:39:06,100 | 由14天縮短到7天 |
| 02:39:06,400 | 02:39:07,800 | 然後規範失業給付 |
| 02:39:07,800 | 02:39:09,600 | 從第8天開始起算哦 |
| 02:39:09,900 | 02:39:11,700 | 那如果11條保留的話 |
| 02:39:12,300 | 02:39:12,900 | 這一條 |
| 02:39:13,900 | 02:39:14,400 | 那個 |
| 02:39:14,900 | 02:39:15,300 | 委員 |
| 02:39:16,280 | 02:39:16,880 | 不好意思哦 |
| 02:39:17,840 | 02:39:20,240 | 我可不可以提一個是說因為20條 |
| 02:39:20,240 | 02:39:22,039 | 其實我們在第11條的部分 |
| 02:39:22,039 | 02:39:23,640 | 我們其實已經有同意 |
| 02:39:24,240 | 02:39:25,340 | 把14天 |
| 02:39:26,640 | 02:39:27,539 | 變成7天 |
| 02:39:27,840 | 02:39:30,140 | 也因為14天改成7天了 |
| 02:39:30,439 | 02:39:30,840 | 所以 |
| 02:39:31,039 | 02:39:34,539 | 這第20條其實就可以從第8日開始起算了 |
| 02:39:34,840 | 02:39:36,340 | 所以這一條可不可以 |
| 02:39:36,939 | 02:39:38,939 | 這條20條可不可以先過了 |
| 02:39:38,939 | 02:39:39,740 | 這樣子好不好 |
| 02:39:45,840 | 02:39:47,539 | 等等等我還是要問一下 |
| 02:39:47,539 | 02:39:49,439 | 啊委員們有沒有意見 |
| 02:39:50,439 | 02:39:51,140 | 在場的 |
| 02:39:51,140 | 02:39:51,539 | 好 |
| 02:39:51,539 | 02:39:53,240 | 那我們就第20條 |
| 02:39:54,140 | 02:39:54,640 | 造型 |
| 02:39:56,640 | 02:39:57,140 | 王毅 |
| 02:39:58,140 | 02:40:01,539 | 委員王毅民旗案修正通過 |
| 02:40:01,939 | 02:40:02,840 | 修正通過 |
| 02:40:07,910 | 02:40:09,110 | 修正通過 |
| 02:40:10,770 | 02:40:13,270 | 20條1委員王毅民等19人 |
| 02:40:13,270 | 02:40:14,970 | 委員林淑芬等21人 |
| 02:40:14,970 | 02:40:18,270 | 提案及委員林月晴等3人修正動議 |
| 02:40:18,770 | 02:40:19,670 | 修正通過 |
| 02:40:23,520 | 02:40:25,220 | 那接下來第25條 |
| 02:40:27,620 | 02:40:28,520 | 根本報告 |
| 02:40:28,520 | 02:40:30,920 | 那這一條也是配合第11條 |
| 02:40:30,920 | 02:40:33,520 | 事業幾乎等待期有14天縮短為7天 |
| 02:40:33,920 | 02:40:36,520 | 那修正辦理事業認定的期間 |
| 02:40:36,520 | 02:40:40,220 | 那就建議1委員林淑芬等21人提案跟 |
| 02:40:40,220 | 02:40:42,720 | 委員林月晴等3人的修正動議通過 |
| 02:40:43,640 | 02:40:43,939 | 好 |
| 02:40:44,790 | 02:40:45,890 | 委員有沒有意見 |
| 02:40:46,810 | 02:40:55,210 | 沒有第25條1委員林淑芬等21人提案及委員林月晴等3人修正動議修正通過 |
| 02:40:58,320 | 02:41:00,320 | 那接下來第32條 |
| 02:41:02,930 | 02:41:04,930 | 我先拿行政機關說明可以嗎 |
| 02:41:04,930 | 02:41:05,330 | 是 |
| 02:41:07,330 | 02:41:07,830 | 是 |
| 02:41:17,540 | 02:41:18,940 | 那委員有沒有意見 |
| 02:41:20,060 | 02:41:22,060 | 那第32條保留 |
| 02:41:22,660 | 02:41:24,660 | 那第33條之一 |
| 02:41:25,359 | 02:41:27,260 | 33條之一也是配合第10條 |
| 02:41:27,260 | 02:41:28,760 | 鎮定照顧今天 |
| 02:41:33,280 | 02:41:34,080 | 來新的 |
| 02:41:35,480 | 02:41:39,180 | 所以第33條之一也是配合第10條 |
| 02:41:39,180 | 02:41:40,480 | 鎮定照顧今天 |
| 02:41:40,680 | 02:41:41,080 | 那 |
| 02:41:41,080 | 02:41:42,080 | 等一下休息一下 |
| 02:41:42,480 | 02:41:43,180 | 安眠滿休息 |
| 02:41:43,180 | 02:41:43,680 | 是 |
| 02:41:43,780 | 02:41:46,980 | 那因為剛剛第10條保留是不是就保留 |
| 02:41:47,850 | 02:41:50,650 | 那33條之一保留有沒有意見 |
| 02:41:50,650 | 02:41:51,450 | 沒有 |
| 02:41:51,450 | 02:41:54,550 | 那我們就33條之一保留 |
| 02:41:55,450 | 02:41:57,850 | 那我們現在休息10分鐘 |
| 02:42:39,270 | 02:42:40,170 | 不用了 |
| 02:42:40,170 | 02:42:41,370 | 我們就在對面 |
| 02:42:44,370 | 02:42:45,370 | 你們還可以去 |
| 02:42:47,370 | 02:42:48,170 | 吃個飯 |
| 02:42:51,280 | 02:42:53,180 | 那邊有東西吃嗎 |
| 02:43:26,140 | 02:43:27,039 | 那邊有東西吃嗎 |
| 02:43:38,040 | 02:43:41,340 | 學生的時候把那個版本搞起來 |
| 02:44:33,130 | 02:44:34,529 | 沒有在上班 |
| 02:44:38,529 | 02:44:39,130 | 沒有啊 |
| 02:44:39,130 | 02:44:39,630 | 就像是 |
| 02:44:39,630 | 02:44:39,930 | 沒有 |
| 02:44:39,930 | 02:44:42,529 | 他如果是照顧一下留職 |
| 02:44:42,529 | 02:44:43,930 | 年薪的那個圖 |
| 02:44:43,930 | 02:44:45,330 | 他這邊寫的不夠 |
| 02:44:47,130 | 02:44:47,730 | 對 |
| 02:44:48,730 | 02:44:49,130 | 對對對 |
| 02:44:49,130 | 02:44:50,330 | 你們到時候可以修 |
| 02:44:51,330 | 02:44:52,730 | 我們在講的是這種 |
| 02:44:55,830 | 02:44:56,130 | 沒有 |
| 02:44:56,130 | 02:44:57,529 | 你完成一集就是就業 |
| 02:44:57,529 | 02:44:59,130 | 就是那個沒實業今天 |
| 02:45:02,480 | 02:45:03,279 | 在這房裡 |
| 02:45:07,790 | 02:45:09,090 | 那你這樣也算是 |
| 02:45:09,090 | 02:45:10,290 | 你就不要讓他離開紙上 |
| 02:45:14,920 | 02:45:15,920 | 沒有到時候學生的時候 |
| 02:45:15,920 | 02:45:16,720 | 你們把你們的 |
| 02:45:17,119 | 02:45:19,320 | 覺得比較合適的保持出來 |
| 02:45:24,349 | 02:45:25,150 | 你現在說明一下 |
| 02:45:25,150 | 02:45:26,349 | 他們的長照基金是 |
| 02:45:26,349 | 02:45:27,349 | 沒有啦 |
| 02:45:27,349 | 02:45:28,349 | 長照還長照 |
| 02:45:28,349 | 02:45:30,349 | 我就說他不一樣 |
| 02:45:30,349 | 02:45:31,349 | 你就會保險 |
| 02:45:31,349 | 02:45:31,949 | 對呀 |
| 02:45:31,949 | 02:45:32,550 | 你 |
| 02:45:32,550 | 02:45:33,949 | 就你的概念是 |
| 02:45:33,949 | 02:45:35,349 | 你要避免 |
| 02:45:35,349 | 02:45:36,150 | 你要他投的保險 |
| 02:45:36,150 | 02:45:37,550 | 就避免他因為什麼錢 |
| 02:45:37,550 | 02:45:38,650 | 你不然狀況 |
| 02:45:38,650 | 02:45:39,750 | 對狀況所以他 |
| 02:45:39,750 | 02:45:41,150 | 立即離開 |
| 02:45:41,150 | 02:45:42,349 | 暫時離開紙上 |
| 02:45:42,349 | 02:45:44,750 | 那你長照基金是歸你 |
| 02:45:44,750 | 02:45:45,550 | 不立行的 |
| 02:45:45,550 | 02:45:46,550 | 你才叫他去補 |
| 02:45:46,550 | 02:45:47,349 | 對我不立行 |
| 02:46:04,840 | 02:46:05,940 | 這樣是一回事 |
| 02:46:07,910 | 02:46:09,010 | 對 這是一回事 |
| 02:46:11,860 | 02:46:12,360 | 對 |
| 02:46:20,930 | 02:46:21,930 | 我們講照顧警察 |
| 02:46:21,930 | 02:46:22,430 | 沒有沒有 |
| 02:46:22,430 | 02:46:23,130 | 你們跳舞都可以 |
| 02:46:24,970 | 02:46:25,670 | 我們也可以 |
| 02:46:25,670 | 02:46:26,470 | 我們可以大家 |
| 02:46:34,440 | 02:46:35,240 | 還是有 |
| 02:46:35,240 | 02:46:36,040 | 有拍照嗎 |
| 02:46:36,040 | 02:46:37,040 | 買餐 |
| 02:46:37,440 | 02:46:38,440 | 沒有沒有 |
| 02:46:38,440 | 02:46:39,140 | 其實 |
| 02:46:39,140 | 02:46:40,840 | 你也可以跳舞多在那邊 |
| 02:46:40,840 | 02:46:41,440 | 沒有 |
| 02:46:41,440 | 02:46:42,040 | 其實我 |
| 02:46:42,040 | 02:46:43,340 | 我之前 |
| 02:46:43,340 | 02:46:45,040 | 一直都在轉學 |
| 02:46:45,040 | 02:46:45,740 | 你意思是說 |
| 02:46:45,740 | 02:46:46,740 | 你們覺得不要練舞吧 |
| 02:46:47,530 | 02:46:48,230 | 我一直都在轉 |
| 02:46:48,230 | 02:46:50,030 | 然後是 |
| 02:46:50,030 | 02:46:51,430 | 突然因為那個規定 |
| 02:46:51,430 | 02:46:53,130 | 然後又 |
| 02:46:53,130 | 02:46:54,430 | 後來就去 |
| 02:46:54,430 | 02:46:55,430 | 林務局 |
| 02:46:55,430 | 02:46:56,730 | 林事事務局 |
| 02:46:56,730 | 02:46:57,530 | 林事事務局 |
| 02:46:57,530 | 02:46:58,430 | 就在那邊 |
| 02:46:58,430 | 02:46:59,430 | 樓下樓下 |
| 02:46:59,430 | 02:47:00,330 | 對對對 |
| 02:47:00,330 | 02:47:03,030 | 然後再去健保署 |
| 02:47:03,030 | 02:47:04,230 | 然後再回來這樣 |
| 02:47:06,380 | 02:47:08,779 | 你順序是兩百幾幾 |
| 02:47:08,779 | 02:47:09,779 | 嗯 |
| 02:47:09,779 | 02:47:12,179 | 對大概有三千個 |
| 02:47:18,880 | 02:47:19,779 | 對 |
| 02:47:21,179 | 02:47:23,580 | 那時候是去當專員 |
| 02:47:26,779 | 02:47:28,580 | 我覺得是這樣子 |
| 02:47:28,580 | 02:47:30,580 | 那邊一個人很多 |
| 02:47:30,580 | 02:47:33,980 | 然後他又有不同的 |
| 02:47:33,980 | 02:47:35,180 | 就是北中南東 |
| 02:47:35,180 | 02:47:35,580 | 對 |
| 02:47:35,580 | 02:47:36,279 | 然後 |
| 02:47:36,279 | 02:47:38,380 | 因為他之前有這些機構 |
| 02:47:38,380 | 02:47:39,880 | 專心機關 |
| 02:47:39,880 | 02:47:40,180 | 對 |
| 02:47:40,180 | 02:47:41,080 | 那時候我記得我睡一睡 |
| 02:47:41,080 | 02:47:42,580 | 他裡面大概就給我轉 |
| 02:47:42,580 | 02:47:43,580 | 然後 |
| 02:47:48,580 | 02:47:50,580 | 從古時候遺留下來 |
| 02:47:50,580 | 02:47:53,180 | 所以他們的事室是處長 |
| 02:47:53,180 | 02:47:54,180 | 還有主任 |
| 02:47:54,180 | 02:47:54,779 | 主任 |
| 02:47:54,779 | 02:47:55,980 | 主任然後 |
| 02:47:55,980 | 02:47:57,279 | 然後也專員 |
| 02:47:57,279 | 02:47:58,180 | 嗯 |
| 02:47:58,180 | 02:47:58,779 | 有個專委 |
| 02:47:58,779 | 02:48:00,380 | 然後四個科長 |
| 02:48:01,580 | 02:48:02,380 | 對 |
| 02:48:02,380 | 02:48:05,080 | 那內部的編制很大 |
| 02:48:05,080 | 02:48:06,980 | 就是人事事態 |
| 02:48:06,980 | 02:48:09,179 | 人事事態 |
| 02:48:09,179 | 02:48:09,580 | 好 |
| 02:48:09,580 | 02:48:11,179 | 因為一個科體下大概都 |
| 02:48:12,850 | 02:48:13,450 | 三個 |
| 02:48:13,450 | 02:48:14,050 | 三個 |
| 02:48:14,050 | 02:48:15,050 | 這都是的 |
| 02:48:15,050 | 02:48:15,450 | 對不對 |
| 02:48:15,450 | 02:48:16,650 | 然後去照顧家裡 |
| 02:48:16,650 | 02:48:17,850 | 管理 |
| 02:48:17,850 | 02:48:18,850 | 那你這個部分 |
| 02:48:18,850 | 02:48:20,850 | 對你背後是想要給他 |
| 02:48:20,850 | 02:48:21,450 | 對 |
| 02:48:21,450 | 02:48:22,850 | 有邏輯的目的就是 |
| 02:48:22,850 | 02:48:24,850 | 讓他留在職場 |
| 02:48:24,850 | 02:48:25,250 | 對 |
| 02:48:25,250 | 02:48:27,050 | 就是給你轉型的知識 |
| 02:48:27,050 | 02:48:28,050 | 對 |
| 02:48:28,050 | 02:48:29,050 | 這是目的 |
| 02:48:29,050 | 02:48:30,250 | 那至於你 |
| 02:48:30,250 | 02:48:30,850 | 會有一些 |
| 02:48:30,850 | 02:48:31,250 | 事實上 |
| 02:48:31,250 | 02:48:32,050 | 你現在的意思是說 |
| 02:48:32,050 | 02:48:33,450 | 你實際上應該 |
| 02:48:33,450 | 02:48:34,250 | 應該 |
| 02:48:34,250 | 02:48:34,850 | 應該 |
| 02:48:35,330 | 02:48:35,730 | 對啊 |
| 02:48:35,730 | 02:48:36,930 | 我記得那時候 |
| 02:48:36,930 | 02:48:38,130 | 我們副署長就說 |
| 02:48:38,130 | 02:48:39,330 | 然後你認為應該是用 |
| 02:48:39,330 | 02:48:39,930 | 什麼樣的命令 |
| 02:48:39,930 | 02:48:40,130 | 奇怪 |
| 02:48:40,130 | 02:48:41,330 | 很多都另外 |
| 02:48:41,330 | 02:48:42,730 | 看到一些不認識的人 |
| 02:48:43,460 | 02:48:44,460 | 那些到底是我們的人 |
| 02:48:44,460 | 02:48:45,460 | 還是長生的人 |
| 02:48:48,120 | 02:48:50,120 | 就是我們的那個 |
| 02:48:50,120 | 02:48:52,120 | 機關上他的內心 |
| 02:48:52,120 | 02:48:54,120 | 對 |
| 02:48:55,850 | 02:48:56,850 | 各類 |
| 02:48:56,850 | 02:48:57,850 | 各類的使用 |
| 02:48:57,850 | 02:48:58,850 | 對 |
| 02:48:58,850 | 02:48:59,850 | 對啊 |
| 02:48:59,850 | 02:49:00,850 | 嗯 |
| 02:49:03,850 | 02:49:05,850 | 你的健保屬實在是蠻 |
| 02:49:05,850 | 02:49:07,850 | 那你在那邊怎麼去 |
| 02:49:07,850 | 02:49:08,850 | 你在那邊 |
| 02:49:08,850 | 02:49:09,850 | 就像我一直講的 |
| 02:49:09,850 | 02:49:10,850 | 這個應該是 |
| 02:49:10,850 | 02:49:11,850 | 你不能完全 |
| 02:49:11,850 | 02:49:12,850 | 只可以給我有服務 |
| 02:49:12,850 | 02:49:13,850 | 因為對於你們來講 |
| 02:49:13,850 | 02:49:14,850 | 太有利了 |
| 02:49:14,850 | 02:49:15,850 | 所以覺得 |
| 02:49:15,850 | 02:49:17,850 | 我覺得每次開那個 |
| 02:49:17,850 | 02:49:18,850 | 就是一個老中的禮物 |
| 02:49:18,850 | 02:49:19,850 | 對 |
| 02:49:19,850 | 02:49:21,850 | 就是去他們的那些 |
| 02:49:21,850 | 02:49:22,850 | 去退 |
| 02:49:22,850 | 02:49:23,850 | 對對對 |
| 02:49:23,850 | 02:49:24,850 | 我是認為反正你們還可以 |
| 02:49:24,850 | 02:49:25,850 | 還有時間 |
| 02:49:25,850 | 02:49:26,850 | 但是送出去 |
| 02:49:26,850 | 02:49:27,850 | 送出去協商 |
| 02:49:27,850 | 02:49:28,850 | 準備等 |
| 02:49:28,850 | 02:49:29,850 | 他沒認識我們 |
| 02:49:29,850 | 02:49:30,850 | 他沒認識我們 |
| 02:49:31,690 | 02:49:32,690 | 那個 |
| 02:49:32,690 | 02:49:33,690 | 不用辦法進來 |
| 02:49:33,690 | 02:49:34,690 | 以前他們是 |
| 02:49:34,690 | 02:49:36,690 | 五十後從事業單位 |
| 02:49:36,690 | 02:49:37,690 | 怎麼擺 |
| 02:49:37,690 | 02:49:38,690 | 怎麼留下來 |
| 02:49:38,690 | 02:49:39,690 | 就是試用舊的 |
| 02:49:39,690 | 02:49:41,690 | 那種 |
| 02:49:41,690 | 02:49:42,690 | 那種固有的 |
| 02:49:42,690 | 02:49:43,690 | 對 |
| 02:49:43,690 | 02:49:44,690 | 但是 |
| 02:49:44,690 | 02:49:45,690 | 不是我們那個 |
| 02:49:45,690 | 02:49:46,690 | 固有管理 |
| 02:49:46,690 | 02:49:47,690 | 規則裡面的 |
| 02:49:47,690 | 02:49:48,690 | 不是 |
| 02:49:48,690 | 02:49:49,690 | 不是 |
| 02:49:49,690 | 02:49:51,690 | 那是用一個退步法 |
| 02:49:51,690 | 02:49:52,690 | 對 |
| 02:49:52,690 | 02:49:53,690 | 他們是 |
| 02:49:53,690 | 02:49:54,690 | 對 |
| 02:49:54,690 | 02:49:55,690 | 當行事 |
| 02:49:55,690 | 02:49:56,690 | 對 |
| 02:49:56,690 | 02:49:57,690 | 當行事的機構 |
| 02:49:57,690 | 02:49:58,690 | 對啊 |
| 02:49:58,690 | 02:49:59,690 | 對啊 |
| 02:49:59,690 | 02:50:00,690 | 對啊 |
| 02:50:00,690 | 02:50:01,690 | 就他們的 |
| 02:50:01,690 | 02:50:02,690 | 優雄 |
| 02:50:02,690 | 02:50:03,690 | 優雄啊 |
| 02:50:03,690 | 02:50:04,690 | 退步法才是 |
| 02:50:04,690 | 02:50:05,690 | 不是比退的 |
| 02:50:05,690 | 02:50:06,690 | 所以 |
| 02:50:06,690 | 02:50:07,690 | 有可能 |
| 02:50:07,690 | 02:50:08,690 | 你好 |
| 02:50:08,690 | 02:50:09,690 | 我覺得應該比較優雄 |
| 02:50:09,690 | 02:50:10,690 | 因為 |
| 02:50:10,690 | 02:50:11,690 | 畢竟他們也很辛苦 |
| 02:50:11,690 | 02:50:12,690 | 比較辛苦 |
| 02:50:12,690 | 02:50:13,690 | 那我們 |
| 02:50:13,690 | 02:50:14,690 | 就給你們帶這個 |
| 02:50:14,690 | 02:50:15,690 | 帶這個 |
| 02:50:15,690 | 02:50:16,690 | 帶一起嗎 |
| 02:50:18,670 | 02:50:19,670 | 對 |
| 02:50:22,570 | 02:50:23,570 | 好 |
| 02:50:23,570 | 02:50:24,570 | 謝謝大家 |
| 02:50:24,220 | 02:50:25,220 | 謝謝 |
| 02:50:28,780 | 02:50:29,780 | 好 |
| 02:50:29,780 | 02:50:30,780 | 謝謝 |
| 02:50:32,520 | 02:50:33,520 | 你們想當一個 |
| 02:50:33,520 | 02:50:34,520 | 這麼長的人 |
| 02:50:34,520 | 02:50:35,520 | 不要吧 |
| 02:50:36,300 | 02:50:37,300 | 好 |
| 02:50:37,300 | 02:50:38,300 | 現在處理就業保險法 |
| 02:50:38,300 | 02:50:40,300 | 部分條文修正草案的附帶 |
| 02:50:40,300 | 02:50:41,300 | 決議共有五案 |
| 02:50:41,300 | 02:50:42,300 | 請一併宣讀 |
| 02:50:49,050 | 02:50:51,050 | 請勞部應加強運用就業保險 |
| 02:50:51,050 | 02:50:54,050 | 經費積極辦理人工智慧就業技能相關之 |
| 02:50:54,050 | 02:50:57,050 | 職業訓練及就創業協助等相關服務 |
| 02:50:57,050 | 02:51:00,050 | 以提升勞工職能及促進就業 |
| 02:51:00,050 | 02:51:02,050 | 提案委員廖偉祥陳金輝 |
| 02:51:02,050 | 02:51:03,050 | 王育敏 |
| 02:51:03,050 | 02:51:04,050 | 邱慧如 |
| 02:51:04,940 | 02:51:05,940 | P-R-N |
| 02:51:06,930 | 02:51:08,930 | 請勞部應妥適運用就業保險 |
| 02:51:08,930 | 02:51:11,930 | 經費積極辦理人助民被保險人所需 |
| 02:51:11,930 | 02:51:15,930 | 職業訓練及就創業協助等相關服務提案委員 |
| 02:51:15,930 | 02:51:16,930 | 盧憲一 |
| 02:51:16,930 | 02:51:17,930 | 林月晴 |
| 02:51:17,930 | 02:51:18,930 | 王振旭 |
| 02:51:19,670 | 02:51:20,670 | 附帶決議三 |
| 02:51:20,670 | 02:51:24,670 | 請勞動部應配合整體國家少子女化政策 |
| 02:51:24,670 | 02:51:26,670 | 持續編列預算發給兩成 |
| 02:51:26,670 | 02:51:29,670 | 育嬰留職停薪薪資補助 |
| 02:51:29,670 | 02:51:30,670 | 提案委員王育敏 |
| 02:51:30,670 | 02:51:32,670 | 廖偉祥陳金輝 |
| 02:51:32,670 | 02:51:33,670 | 林月晴 |
| 02:51:33,670 | 02:51:34,670 | 王振旭 |
| 02:51:36,130 | 02:51:37,130 | 第四案 |
| 02:51:37,130 | 02:51:41,130 | 要求勞動部就男性勤領比率偏低之成因進行通盤分析 |
| 02:51:41,130 | 02:51:44,130 | 包括職場文化考機生簽一律 |
| 02:51:44,130 | 02:51:47,130 | 津貼替代率及企業規模差異等面向 |
| 02:51:47,130 | 02:51:50,130 | 並於六加三方案上路後 |
| 02:51:50,130 | 02:51:54,130 | 逐年公布男性勤領比率及勤領情形具體研提 |
| 02:51:54,130 | 02:51:57,130 | 具體精進及改善措施 |
| 02:51:57,130 | 02:51:58,130 | 提案委員陳金輝 |
| 02:51:58,130 | 02:51:59,130 | 王育敏 |
| 02:51:59,130 | 02:52:00,130 | 廖偉祥 |
| 02:52:00,130 | 02:52:01,130 | 第五案 |
| 02:52:01,130 | 02:52:03,130 | 為促進就業服務法第24條 |
| 02:52:03,130 | 02:52:05,130 | 所列特定對象重返職場 |
| 02:52:05,130 | 02:52:08,130 | 請勞動部積極協助中高齡及高齡者 |
| 02:52:08,130 | 02:52:09,130 | 身心障礙者 |
| 02:52:09,130 | 02:52:10,130 | 家庭暴力被害者 |
| 02:52:10,130 | 02:52:12,130 | 原住民等特定對象 |
| 02:52:12,130 | 02:52:15,130 | 依其就業需求推薦適當就業機會 |
| 02:52:15,130 | 02:52:17,130 | 提供個別化就業協助 |
| 02:52:17,130 | 02:52:18,130 | 並於三個月內 |
| 02:52:20,150 | 02:52:21,150 | 針對相關配套措施 |
| 02:52:21,150 | 02:52:24,150 | 包括提升就業媒合之精準度 |
| 02:52:24,150 | 02:52:27,150 | 強化個別化就業服務或完善職業訓練 |
| 02:52:27,150 | 02:52:29,150 | 與轉職支持機制等 |
| 02:52:29,150 | 02:52:30,150 | 提出書面報告 |
| 02:52:30,150 | 02:52:32,150 | 提案委員王振旭 |
| 02:52:32,150 | 02:52:33,150 | 黃秀芳 |
| 02:52:33,150 | 02:52:34,150 | 劉建國 |
| 02:52:34,150 | 02:52:35,150 | 范雲宣讀完畢 |
| 02:52:38,280 | 02:52:40,280 | 好 我們現在第一案 |
| 02:52:41,530 | 02:52:43,530 | 現在問有沒有預見 |
| 02:52:47,760 | 02:52:48,760 | 第一案沒有意見 |
| 02:52:49,620 | 02:52:51,620 | 那就照案通過 |
| 02:52:51,620 | 02:52:52,620 | 接下來第二案 |
| 02:52:53,350 | 02:52:54,350 | 第二沒有意見 |
| 02:52:54,950 | 02:52:56,950 | 第二沒有意見的話 |
| 02:52:56,950 | 02:52:57,950 | 我們就照案通過 |
| 02:52:58,730 | 02:52:59,730 | 接下來第三 |
| 02:53:02,630 | 02:53:03,630 | 遵照辦理 |
| 02:53:03,840 | 02:53:05,840 | 第三就照案通過 |
| 02:53:06,850 | 02:53:07,350 | 第三 |
| 02:53:14,110 | 02:53:16,110 | 就是陳情惠委員提案的這個部分 |
| 02:53:16,110 | 02:53:18,110 | 那我們想說 |
| 02:53:18,110 | 02:53:20,110 | 在最後的第五行 |
| 02:53:20,110 | 02:53:23,110 | 在最後的第四行 |
| 02:53:23,110 | 02:53:25,110 | 要修正一下文字 |
| 02:53:25,110 | 02:53:27,110 | 就是修正為 |
| 02:53:27,110 | 02:53:30,110 | 右考量男性勤勞比例偏低的成因 |
| 02:53:30,110 | 02:53:34,110 | 包括職場文化考績生遷餘率 |
| 02:53:34,110 | 02:53:38,110 | 津貼替代率及企業規模差異等面向 |
| 02:53:38,110 | 02:53:40,110 | 援請勞動部 |
| 02:53:40,110 | 02:53:41,110 | 就後面都維持 |
| 02:53:41,110 | 02:53:44,110 | 援請勞動部以6加3方案上路後 |
| 02:53:44,110 | 02:53:47,110 | 逐年公布男性勤勞比例及勤勞情形 |
| 02:53:47,110 | 02:53:50,110 | 具體經濟及改善措施 |
| 02:53:51,430 | 02:53:52,430 | 來再次委員 |
| 02:53:55,410 | 02:53:56,410 | 每一間 |
| 02:53:56,410 | 02:54:01,410 | 每一間就照勞動部剛剛提出來的說明 |
| 02:54:01,410 | 02:54:03,410 | 文字修正通過 |
| 02:54:04,040 | 02:54:05,040 | 接下來第五案 |
| 02:54:06,090 | 02:54:07,090 | 再次委員 |
| 02:54:07,170 | 02:54:09,170 | 第五案也是照案通過 |
| 02:54:13,920 | 02:54:14,920 | 先做以下決議 |
| 02:54:14,920 | 02:54:16,920 | 審查及繼續審查就業保險法 |
| 02:54:16,920 | 02:54:19,920 | 部分條文修正草案等100案 |
| 02:54:19,920 | 02:54:21,920 | 審查完畢 |
| 02:54:21,920 | 02:54:23,920 | 並按擬據審查報告 |
| 02:54:23,920 | 02:54:25,920 | 提報院會討論 |
| 02:54:25,920 | 02:54:27,920 | 院會討論本案時 |
| 02:54:27,920 | 02:54:29,920 | 由林昭及委員院請補充說明 |
| 02:54:29,920 | 02:54:31,920 | 請問本案是否交由黨團協商 |
| 02:54:33,330 | 02:54:35,330 | 交由黨團協商 |
| 02:54:35,330 | 02:54:38,330 | 本法案條文中 |
| 02:54:38,330 | 02:54:39,330 | 調次原引 |
| 02:54:39,330 | 02:54:42,330 | 調次及法制用語調整 |
| 02:54:42,330 | 02:54:44,330 | 授權醫事人員整理相關法 |
| 02:54:44,330 | 02:54:45,330 | 立法說明 |
| 02:54:45,330 | 02:54:47,330 | 授權行政單位提供 |
| 02:54:48,420 | 02:54:50,420 | 現在就興功法 |
| 02:54:50,420 | 02:54:52,420 | 剛才保留的條文繼續審查 |
| 02:54:52,420 | 02:54:54,420 | 請勞動部注意說明 |
| 02:54:55,490 | 02:54:57,490 | 你們看溝通的結果 |
| 02:55:09,120 | 02:55:11,120 | 好 |
| 02:55:11,990 | 02:55:13,990 | 我們要再回到興功法 |
| 02:55:14,050 | 02:55:16,050 | 你們剛溝通結果是什麼 |
| 02:55:17,510 | 02:55:19,510 | 沒有我們說剛前面沒有的話 |
| 02:55:19,510 | 02:55:20,510 | 我們就要進入附帶決議 |
| 02:55:20,510 | 02:55:22,510 | 剛溝通結果都還是維持原來 |
| 02:55:22,510 | 02:55:23,510 | 對 |
| 02:55:23,510 | 02:55:25,510 | 好那我們就來 |
| 02:55:25,950 | 02:55:27,950 | 針對於附帶 |
| 02:55:28,090 | 02:55:30,090 | 就現在處理性別平等工作法 |
| 02:55:30,090 | 02:55:32,090 | 部分條文修正草案附帶決議 |
| 02:55:32,090 | 02:55:34,090 | 共既有8案 |
| 02:55:34,090 | 02:55:36,090 | 請一併宣讀 |
| 02:55:37,810 | 02:55:39,810 | 立案請勞動部針對 |
| 02:56:07,810 | 02:56:09,810 | 提案委員廖偉祥邱政軍陳青輝 |
| 02:56:12,840 | 02:56:14,840 | 第二案請勞動部與衛生福利部 |
| 02:56:14,840 | 02:56:16,840 | 積極盤點長照3.0 |
| 02:56:16,840 | 02:56:18,840 | 上路後的民眾需求不僅針對 |
| 02:56:18,840 | 02:56:22,840 | 初次申請長照者或住院者之需求 |
| 02:56:22,840 | 02:56:24,840 | 應全面對受僱者需要請假 |
| 02:56:24,840 | 02:56:26,840 | 照顧長照需求的日數 |
| 02:56:26,840 | 02:56:28,840 | 包含請假期間經濟補貼等 |
| 02:56:28,840 | 02:56:30,840 | 三個月內全面盤點提出報告 |
| 02:56:30,840 | 02:56:32,840 | 並透過跨部會合作推動協助方案 |
| 02:56:32,840 | 02:56:34,840 | 以減少受僱者 |
| 02:56:34,840 | 02:56:36,840 | 應照顧而離職的情況 |
| 02:56:36,840 | 02:56:38,840 | 提案委員廖偉祥邱政軍陳青輝 |
| 02:56:38,840 | 02:56:40,840 | 第三案 |
| 02:56:40,840 | 02:56:42,840 | 為避免相關價別 |
| 02:56:42,840 | 02:56:44,840 | 應適用範圍證明文件類型或 |
| 02:56:44,840 | 02:56:46,840 | 實務認定標準不明 |
| 02:56:46,840 | 02:56:48,840 | 而使受僱者及其配偶 |
| 02:56:48,840 | 02:56:50,840 | 於有實際需求時不敢申請 |
| 02:56:50,840 | 02:56:54,840 | 難以申請或遭遇證明文件認定不一之情形 |
| 02:56:54,840 | 02:56:58,840 | 建請勞動部於本法修正條文公布後六個月內 |
| 02:56:58,840 | 02:57:00,840 | 辦理下列三點事項 |
| 02:57:00,840 | 02:57:04,840 | 以此確保受僱者及其配偶得一 |
| 02:57:04,840 | 02:57:06,840 | 認成生產及育兒準備之實際需求 |
| 02:57:06,840 | 02:57:08,840 | 使用相關價別 |
| 02:57:08,840 | 02:57:10,840 | 並落實本法促進生育支持 |
| 02:57:10,840 | 02:57:14,840 | 親職共同參與及友善職場環境之修法目的 |
| 02:57:14,840 | 02:57:16,840 | 提案委員林月請王振旭 |
| 02:57:16,840 | 02:57:18,840 | 林淑芬 |
| 02:57:18,840 | 02:57:20,840 | 張雅琳 |
| 02:57:21,740 | 02:57:24,740 | 第四案要求勞動部積極推動企業與勞工 |
| 02:57:24,740 | 02:57:28,740 | 合議提供憂於法令之育孫留職停薪方案 |
| 02:57:28,740 | 02:57:30,740 | 透過工作生活平衡 |
| 02:57:31,650 | 02:57:36,650 | 臺灣的勞動部將參選項目鼓勵企業提供員工友善育孫家庭措施 |
| 02:57:36,650 | 02:57:38,650 | 並與勞動部一同請金管會 |
| 02:57:40,020 | 02:57:43,020 | 推動企業友善家庭納入ESG評分指標 |
| 02:57:43,020 | 02:57:47,020 | 並將規劃內容向立法院衛生福利及社會 |
| 02:57:47,850 | 02:57:49,850 | 衛生環境及社會福利委員會提出書面報告 |
| 02:57:49,850 | 02:57:52,850 | 提案委員圖全己 邱振軍 盧憲一 |
| 02:57:53,770 | 02:57:55,770 | 臺灣的勞動部 |
| 02:57:55,560 | 02:58:01,560 | 要求勞動部透過法令或通函事事針對認職未滿六個月的受僱者 |
| 02:58:01,560 | 02:58:05,560 | 經由勞資協商後僱主得優於法令規定 |
| 02:58:05,560 | 02:58:09,560 | 給予受僱者育孫留職停薪以推動友善育兒職場 |
| 02:58:09,560 | 02:58:13,560 | 提案委員王振旭 連署委員黃秀芳 林月晴 |
| 02:58:15,710 | 02:58:20,710 | 第3案 請勞動部與衛生福利部積極盤點長照3.0上路後的民眾需求 |
| 02:58:20,710 | 02:58:25,710 | 不僅針對初次申請長照者或住院者之需求 |
| 02:58:25,710 | 02:58:29,710 | 應全面對受僱者需要請假照顧長照需求的日數 |
| 02:58:29,710 | 02:58:34,710 | 包含請假期間經濟補貼等全面盤點提出報告 |
| 02:58:34,710 | 02:58:37,710 | 並透過跨部會合作推動協助方案 |
| 02:58:37,710 | 02:58:41,710 | 有助於讓受僱者減少因照顧而離職的情況 |
| 02:58:41,710 | 02:58:44,710 | 提案委員林月晴 盧憲一 王振旭 邱慧如 |
| 02:58:45,880 | 02:58:48,880 | 第7 要求勞動部與政策推動一年後 |
| 02:58:48,880 | 02:58:54,880 | 參酌南韓立法經驗研擬育兒減少及調整公時之權利與相關補助配套 |
| 02:58:54,880 | 02:59:01,880 | 研議入法之可行性以健全我國育兒支持體系強化制度之長期穩定性與法律保障 |
| 02:59:02,790 | 02:59:04,790 | 提案委員陳金輝 王育敏 盧憲一 |
| 02:59:08,220 | 02:59:13,220 | 請勞動部與衛生福利部積極盤點長照3.0上路後的民眾需求 |
| 02:59:13,220 | 02:59:19,220 | 引以推動長照安排假長照長期照顧安排留職停薪津貼 |
| 02:59:19,220 | 02:59:24,220 | 不僅針對初次申請長照者或住院出院者之需求 |
| 02:59:24,220 | 02:59:29,220 | 應全面對受僱者需要請假照顧長照需求的日數 |
| 02:59:29,220 | 02:59:33,220 | 包含請假期間經濟補貼等全面盤點提出報告 |
| 02:59:33,220 | 02:59:36,220 | 並透過跨部會合作推動協助方案 |
| 02:59:36,220 | 02:59:41,220 | 提案委員黃秀芳 王震旭 林月晴 范雲宣讀完畢 |
| 02:59:46,360 | 02:59:47,360 | 請問第一案 |
| 02:59:48,170 | 02:59:50,170 | 行政部門有意見 |
| 02:59:51,910 | 02:59:54,910 | 第二次通過 |
| 02:59:54,780 | 02:59:56,780 | 那接下來第二案 |
| 02:59:57,650 | 02:59:58,650 | 尊重辦公室 |
| 02:59:58,770 | 03:00:00,770 | 那第二案照案通過 |
| 03:00:00,770 | 03:00:01,770 | 接下來第三案 |
| 03:00:02,340 | 03:00:05,340 | 第三案照案通過 |
| 03:00:05,620 | 03:00:06,620 | 接下來第四案 |
| 03:00:08,300 | 03:00:10,300 | 那第四案照案通過 |
| 03:00:10,300 | 03:00:11,300 | 接下來第五案 |
| 03:00:12,490 | 03:00:14,490 | 那第五案照案通過 |
| 03:00:14,490 | 03:00:15,490 | 接下來第六案 |
| 03:00:17,520 | 03:00:19,520 | 那第六案照案通過 |
| 03:00:19,520 | 03:00:20,520 | 接下來第七案 |
| 03:00:21,140 | 03:00:22,140 | 尊重辦理 |
| 03:00:22,140 | 03:00:24,140 | 好第七案照案通過 |
| 03:00:24,140 | 03:00:25,140 | 接下來第八案 |
| 03:00:25,140 | 03:00:27,140 | 第八案衛福部這邊有一些意見 |
| 03:00:28,870 | 03:00:29,870 | 第八案 |
| 03:00:46,570 | 03:00:48,570 | 然後賓責定數加7也來做示範 |
| 03:00:49,490 | 03:00:51,490 | 就是在那個文字用長照基金支應 |
| 03:00:51,490 | 03:00:53,490 | 照顧今天這個部分來做文字的修正 |
| 03:00:54,440 | 03:01:01,440 | 主席我想對雖然說目前這個長照基金的使用沒有涵花 |
| 03:01:01,440 | 03:01:04,440 | 或者是在文字上有要再處理 |
| 03:01:04,440 | 03:01:08,440 | 不過基本上我們是希望先有這樣的文字 |
| 03:01:08,440 | 03:01:11,440 | 就是用長照基金支應的照顧今天 |
| 03:01:11,440 | 03:01:14,440 | 如果說要做這樣的修正的話 |
| 03:01:14,440 | 03:01:16,440 | 我們是希望不然就先保留 |
| 03:01:16,440 | 03:01:19,440 | 到時候再一起處理好了 |
| 03:01:21,940 | 03:01:23,940 | 好那第五案就保留 |
| 03:01:27,410 | 03:01:29,410 | 而作以下決議 |
| 03:01:29,410 | 03:01:31,410 | 依審查及具體審查性別拼等工作法 |
| 03:01:31,410 | 03:01:36,410 | 部分條文修正草案等130案審查完 |
| 03:01:37,110 | 03:01:40,110 | 並按擬據審查報告提報院會討論 |
| 03:01:40,110 | 03:01:43,110 | 院會討論本案時由林昭集委員 |
| 03:01:43,110 | 03:01:48,110 | 月情補充說明請問本案是否需交由黨團協商 |
| 03:01:48,720 | 03:01:50,720 | 交由黨的協商 |
| 03:01:50,720 | 03:01:54,720 | 那法條條文中條次於 |
| 03:01:55,590 | 03:01:58,590 | 原引條次級法自用與調整 |
| 03:01:58,590 | 03:02:01,590 | 授權醫事人員整理相關立法說明 |
| 03:02:01,590 | 03:02:03,590 | 授權行政單位提供 |
| 03:02:04,060 | 03:02:06,060 | 那本日會議到此結束 |
| 03:02:06,060 | 03:02:09,060 | 現在休息7月30日上午9時繼續開會 |
| 03:02:23,220 | 03:02:25,220 | 多謝您的觀看 |
| 03:02:25,830 | 03:02:26,830 | 謝謝 |