| IVOD_ID |
17597 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17597 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T08:33:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T14:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:28:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373dc7074259dd7bbe72e9b2fc60fbbff2236d94474d9c748abcf90c36b2a22fe1735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席就「以災難說檢視文化部國際傳播政策執行成效、文化內容投資及公共資源運用補助」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:33 - 14:02:00 |
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政府次長林靜儀行政院食品安全辦公室主任許甫列席就校園食品安全把關機制及致癌有事件因應作為進行專題報告並被質詢3 教育部部長鄭英耀列席就學生出缺群管理及校園秩序維護政策亂象檢討與改善措施進行專題報告並被質詢決定報告及尋討完畢 |
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討論事項一審查教育部含維修正高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或之前辦法部分條文機公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法第五條第六條之一條文案二審查國民黨黨團拟據教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案案等十四案三審查委員院之等十九人拟據國民準界教育條例草案案四繼續審查 |
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反映等16人拟据学校公餐法草案案等39案5审查委员罗志强等20人拟据学校营养饮食公餐法草案案本日会议有委员罗志强等14人提出质询军经教育部部长郑英耀及相关人员及其答复说明另一 |
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另一委員張雅琳、傅坤祺、吳宗憲、徐欣穎、林倩琦、葛如君、王鴻威提出書面質詢決議一、報告及詢問完畢二、對委員質詢要求提供相關資料或未及答覆部分,請相關機關建樹與書面答覆 |
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4.教育经会编略与管理法相关修正草案及国民转介教育条例草案另定期继续审查5.学校午餐及饮食教育条例相关草案部分审查完均未及审查部分另定期继续审查审查结果如下 |
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2064.986 |
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2088.965 |
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一 第三條 含對應之各提案條文及修正動議保留 送院會處理二 第四條 修正如下第四條 本條例所稱學校 指高級中等以下學校宣讀完畢好 請問各位委員 上次會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處好 沒有 議事錄確定 |
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2090.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2117.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
本次會議議程式邀請文化部長李遠列席就以災難說檢視文化部國際傳播政策執行成效文化內容投資及公共資源的運用補助進行專題報告以備諮詢首先介紹在場的委員柯志恩委員葛如晶委員接著介紹與會的官員文化部部長李遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2120.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2145.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
政務次長兼文化內容測試院董事長王詩詩王詩詩對不起文化部文化資產局局長陳季明文化部影視及流行音樂產業局局長王淑芳對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2148.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2173.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
財政法人公共電視公文化事業基金會代總經理謝剛齡謝謝其餘列席的機關代表請裁員名單我們不再逐一介紹並列入公報記錄現在進行報告請文化部部長黎議員報告報告時間8分鐘 |
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2184.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2211.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
主席各位委員各位先進大家好首先非常感謝讓我有機會完整的說明清楚文化部的立場跟政策而且今天來了我很多同仁可以讓大家解釋得很清楚台灣Plus就像韓國的阿里郎電視台或是日本的HK英國的BBC是一個先進國家一定要做的平台因為我們必須有自己的發聲管道能夠把台灣的觀點傳給 |
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2213.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2235.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
全世界在疫情時間台灣的防疫成績被世界肯定但是就利用這個契機快速成立的台灣plus連辦公室組織人力資源都還沒有還不太穩定的狀況下台灣plus就產出很多的新聞節目一路上我們確實遇到了非常多的挑戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2237.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2257.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
台灣Plus在2021年APP上線短短一年後籌備充足的新聞和節目開播電視頻道到現在將近四年如今台灣民眾隨時可以看到台灣Plus的即時內容北美洲重要城市三星以下旅館的國際 |
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2259.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2282.226 |
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旅客只要打开电视就可以24小时看到台湾Plus甚至于现在在马来西亚、印度、帛琉也都可以看到台湾Plus也用台湾的身份跟国际各大媒体交朋友我们不只跟美国的CNN建立合作现在也正式成为欧洲新闻交换机制的会员 |
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2284.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2308.804 |
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換句話說國際媒體只要有台灣的新聞素材的需求台灣plus就是國際窗口國際的新聞夥伴在節目方面專門談地緣政治的旗艦節目台灣talks在2025年累積了近2000萬次的觀看談台灣作為世界超級工廠的紀錄片也深獲國際好評 |
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2310.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2332.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
其中一部拍攝美觀半導體的觀看次數已經破了470萬台灣plus製作的節目更獲得國內大大小小的獎項100多項我一直都沒有否認台灣plus還有很多值得調整跟改進的地方 |
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2333.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2359.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
就和日本韓國同質性的但是他們的歷史悠久的國際電台比起來台灣plus就像一個剛剛學走路跌跌撞撞的新生兒現在開始越走越穩即將會跑會跳我誠懇的希望大家多給台灣plus一些鼓勵和支持在文化內容投資方面文策院從2019年成立後 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2361.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2383.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
运用国发基金进行对文化产业的点火并引进民间的资金投资截至今年3月底已经投资了301件成功带动民间投资184.04亿并且创造超过13000个工作机会 |
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2385.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2414.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
近年来票房破亿的电影很多在国片中像是96分钟大萌 嘎桃 大桥头 女娃娃都受到文策院的投资除了影视外文策院也投资了IP 动漫 游戏 音乐表演 出版 文化科技等等多元类型的文化产业这不是一个容易的过程 |
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2415.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2442.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
過去文策院尚未成立之前有很一段漫長的時間文化產業很難受到國發基金的投資因為文化產業非常特別跟一般商業投資不一樣風險性很高需要有更專業長遠的視野和容錯的空間接下來文策院會持續秉持文化產業的專業視角 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2445.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2467.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
強化股權共同投資以及和電信業、金融業、國際製作公司結盟合組創投基金加強資本市場對文化產業的支持並促進國際合資合作讓台灣的人才和作品登上國際舞台 |
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2469.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2490.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
最後我們一直以來都是用專業且公開透明的審查機制來運用公共資源過去我本人也常常受邀擔任文化部的補助評審所以我也知道評選過程中文化部對程序非常謹慎也非常尊重評審的專業 |
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2492.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2512.503 |
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對我這個參與台灣文化產業超過50年的人而言我可以說這是台灣社會好不容易走到的一步也就是真正做到了行政中立不論是補助或者投資我們的目標都是要讓台灣的文化產業 |
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2513.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2531.89 |
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蓬勃發展讓創作者能夠有更多的資源受到更多的重視直到有一天他們能夠代表台灣站上世界的舞台以上報告懇請大院及各位委員持續鼎力支持謝謝好 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2546.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2573.352 |
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謝謝部長的報告機關代表報告完畢相關書面資料請各位參閱並列入公報記錄現在進行詢答每位出席委員質詢六分鐘必要時延長兩分鐘列席的委員質詢的時間是四分鐘發言登記截止時間為上午十點半委員如果臨時提案請於上午十點半前提出 |
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2574.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2588.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
並與委員柯志恩委員質詢結束以後我們來處理臨時提案處理提案時若提案的委員連署委員均不在場趙婉麗是不處理首先請登記第一位葛如軍委員質詢 |
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2605.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2609.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
好謝謝主席有請文化部理院部長有請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2616.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2644.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
好部長早安先前我的質詢曾經多次表達我是您的粉絲我們也有很多人是曾經是你的粉絲我也希望大家一直都是您的粉絲您的電影和文學的作品本席都曾經閱覽甚至收藏今天本席想要以作家小野2016年出版的人生不能什麼都要作為切入點來和作者本人也就是您 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2645.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2670.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我看您微笑 因為這本書真的很好看那也就是當時的作者小野那現在的李遠部長來探討趙偉今天所安排的議題那部長啊您 這個我書也帶來了我書也帶來了 這個您的書2016年的那我想部長您跟2016年的小野應該還是同一個人嗎 對吧 |
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2673.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2689.353 |
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當然同一個人那最近您作為部長的角色您的發言則是鬧得滿城風雨那7月2號部長在教文委員會審查文化部預算的時候針對文策院投資影視作品的成效 |
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2690.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2716.311 |
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今年初上映的電影功夫獲得文策院執行國發基金的投資1億70萬元加上文化部的補助5300萬元加總起來政府出資超過1.5億元那以該片總成本約2.65億元計算政府出資的比例高達58%那當然啦其實我也算非常喜歡九把刀的部分作品 |
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2717.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2735.44 |
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那結果公夫票房呢 僅約4693萬元那不僅國發基金慘賠啊 公帑 血本無歸也對其他需要支持的新銳導演和影視團隊造成了資源的排擠對此 我剛好就坐在部長您的斜對面 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2736.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2762.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
也就在文化部預算審查的時候當時您的說法是工夫具有開創性但後來的結果的確令人非常傻眼這是您當時的原話因此您向所有關心台灣隱私的納稅人道歉那另外一方面針對台灣plus的執行爭議部長您則坦言台灣plus的定位不明在中央社做不下去現在又到公廣集團 |
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2763.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2782.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
的確是一個災難 這也是您的原話以上這兩段言論 立法院都有列入記錄刊登公報 部長很多人啊 將您在立院的兩段發言定義為失言那其實作為您的資深粉絲啊我不認為您這是失言的表現 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2783.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2810.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我反而認為這是您在這本書裡提到勇敢承認自己的錯誤並誠摯的道歉是最寶貴的能力之一這是您也是原話各界對於文策院的投資機制和台灣plus的宣傳效應確實提出很多的疑慮和質疑您身為部長卻始終秉持初心甚至勇於認錯誠摯道歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2812.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2840.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我認為一點問題都沒有所以在此我想再給部長一個機會啊讓部長針對文策院和台灣plus的情況再向民眾 全國民眾做個簡要的說明可以嗎好 非常感謝葛如君委員剛剛提到我個人的個性因為我覺得勇於認錯真的是一個非常重要的因素那其實剛剛在我的前面的報告有講到 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2841.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2857.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
Taiwan Plus發生在疫情的時候那時候有一句話就是Taiwan can help我現在再加一句是But Taiwan cannot speak up我們是一個被孤立的國家所以其實要做一個國際頻道 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2859.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2888.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
是早就該做了可是終於在那一刻我們決定要做可是在做的一開始剛剛我提到結構還有人才還有我們在什麼情況下做的確是在那個時候決定要做下去的時候就決定做了所以中間遇到了很多挑戰包括我們請全世界各國的外籍記者來然後他們怎麼樣用台灣的觀點報導台灣的新聞等等中間的確發生了一些互相的謀和 |
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2889.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2917.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那這樣我打斷您啦是謝謝您我也給您時間說明了當天我們在審的時候羅志強委員有提出這個總編輯現在人還在華府回來了沒啊他回來了啊回來了那這樣就沒有問題了嗎您剛剛又說台灣Plus這個像小孩子在成長你知道台灣Plus做幾年了嗎台灣Plus大概 |
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2919.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2932.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
2021年成立的我告訴你五年啦五歲在網路的世界來講很可能已經是中年啦那您剛剛也沒提到文策院的投資機制啊那我會不會講文策院 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2934.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2959.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
文車院還沒講啊那給您講啊在國發基金100億拿出來的時候文車院還沒有成立的那段時間我的朋友侯孝賢他的內營養要向國發基金申請幾千萬結果出各種規定他拿不到一毛錢所以2019年文車院一成立的時候他其實也經過了很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2960.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2985.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
各種機制的討論改來改去因為我們要考慮整個台灣的文化創意產業它的需求我們也要考慮台灣文化創意產業的規模所以我們就在不斷的修正中包括我們開始專案投資如果沒有專案投資那個錢幾乎發不出去可是專案投資完之後我們又調整一下包括我們的股權投資基金投資我要講的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2986.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
3005.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這兩個機構台灣plus跟這個文車運在一個很艱難的時候做出正確的決定但是不表示它能夠非常快的上軌道所以我所有的發言都是根據這兩個單位它成立的必要性跟時機 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
3006.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
3026.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
所有的言論都跟著這兩個單位是在什麼情況下成立 遇到什麼問題我非常感謝你問我這個問題 謝謝好 七雷部長我質詢通常不太喝水啦我剛剛喝水了就是希望讓您把它講完我只想問這兩件事情您到底認為過程中有沒有錯誤 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
3028.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
3035.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
他其實遇到很多挑戰因為我剛剛提到沒有 不好意思部長我剛剛已經給你夠多時間了有沒有錯誤的地方啦有沒有錯誤其實我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
3041.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
3064.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
所以我想再給您一個機會勇敢承認錯誤並誠摯的道歉是寶貴的能力有沒有錯誤能不能再一次的向全國民眾誠摯的道歉這兩個單位都非常重要在決策的時候一點錯誤都沒有但是開始做的時候我剛才一再講到我們是第一次做而且跟韓國日本比起來 |
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3065.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
3090.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
他歷史很悠久好 謝謝部長您剛剛又再一次的推翻了幾天前的您我們現在已經分不出來您到底是小野還是黎遠還是部長為什麼身為粉絲對於您部長當時勇於認錯結果您現在說決策的過程一點錯誤都沒有我擴展您剛剛的原話部長不要只是說在兩天之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3092.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3116.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
近來7月4號出席公開活動的時候不要說沒有承認錯誤啦您甚至還說當時在極度壓力之下心裡只想著要保住預算就好意思部長您當時有認錯誠摯的道歉不是發自內心的肺腑之言這和我閱讀您的書數次感受到的激勵和感動 |
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3117.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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完全是沒有辦法對在一起作為小野的粉絲我真的是難以接受這樣的志向矛盾所以我上來質詢第一個問題我想請問您是小野 |
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還是李遠部長那您說您是同一個人我們真的很難把它結合在一起所以我這邊剛剛也在給部長說明的機會但我想再次給您一次機會就是說對於文策院投資慘賠非常傻眼這是您的原話和台灣plus是個災難哪一段是為了保住預算不得已而說的話我們再一次希望作家小野變成文化部長李遠以後啊不要換了位置換了腦袋 |
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這兩句話哪一段是為了保住預算其實我覺得在當時的狀態下是審查預算我非常願意面對剛剛講這兩個單位所以是兩段都是還是兩段我們所面臨的目前的挑戰我非常願意檢討而且我花了90%的時間在描述文策院跟台灣plus他後來要怎麼改變我90%的時間在描寫我願意 |
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深切的檢討我覺得我沒有改變但是您你說剛剛又說決策上都沒有錯誤您為什麼要檢討決策沒有錯誤可是我們在實習上遇到了非常多的過去沒有的經驗部長您是文字高手但不要進到文化部了突然變成這個玩弄文字的高手我要在此提醒部長在立院備詢的時候公然說謊不僅是個人誠信的問題還有相應的政治責任這個呢我們來看一下 |
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這個行政首長或政府人員於立法院之陳述內容涉有虛偽陳述自引發爭議者乃屬政治性爭議其本人自應受到民主問責最嚴重之情形即為去職以次負責啊政務官其所屬政黨甚至可能一併受民意之張痞與問責部長根據憲法法庭的判決您公然在立院做出虛偽的陳述 |
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你應該要受到民主的問責甚至要去職也是負責啊甚至連所屬的民進黨也應該要一起受到民意的問責部長公然在國會殿堂啊說為了保住什麼所以我這樣說這是一個虛偽陳述喔是公職人員最壞的示範你所有的同事用同樣的方法來對付您您可以接受嗎您和國會之間失去彼此信任的基礎未來要怎麼領導你們的文化部 |
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要如何擔任文化部數百名公務人員的榜樣要如何成為全國文化人的表率呢請問部長你打算要如何負擔起政治責任我希望當我又恢復寫作用小野為名字的時候 |
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葛禄君委員你還是要相信我寫的東西你現在是部長所以您要不要再次向全國民眾鞠躬表示歉意還是要在這裡請辭下台其實我剛才已經花了非常多的時間你可以早一點再拿回筆啊我已經寫了103本書了 |
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所以嘛您要不要道歉您剛剛說請您道歉你說等我拿回這個筆以後我說那您可以早一點拿回筆那你又說你書已經寫了很多了不是我花了90%的時間在上一次立法院的時候我講的全部是我願意面對那個我們所遇到的問題願意改變這本書的書名啊我在這裡寫也再一次的提到這是您103本書的其中一本也是精彩的一本 |
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書名就叫人生不能什麼都要你不要又當院部長你現在又要回到你小野的身份你該道歉要負責你就應該要負責你不要身份轉換自己搞不清楚既要又要 |
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我們還是希望您找回初衷找回那個勇敢認錯誠摯道歉的作家小野我爭取一點時間接下來還有一個很重要的問題要單獨的請教部長我想請教2025年台灣一共上映52部首輪國片 |
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部長這邊列出了其中的八部這裡面有三部後面的同事你可不可以不要提話你們可不可以靠後面一點我們本來想請你們回座我是看你們很辛苦所以部長請問這八部電影是我辦公室同仁在2025年的國片上映清單一一比對才比得出來請教部長能不能看得出來這八部電影裡面哪三部 |
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是這個文策院的投資我在荒野做了一個夢比較像是所以你看我們真的是以後我們的這個所以部長您是自己 |
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後面的同仁可不可以 我們沒有在問你們問題啊沒有關係 因為我們不是那個 問答題喔所以我在荒野 好看 對 還要拿兩步我憑直覺喔 因為我沒有干預到 文車院的頭是什麼東西因為事實上我是不能干預我憑直覺我在荒野做了一個夢那個 南方時光我是知道我們台灣的電影拍得很好的我家的事 |
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好了 這個文策院成立至今六年八個月要邁入第七年了自108年以來文化部的公務預算加上專案補助平均每年給文策院超過10億累積下來總共給了文策院74億 |
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每年投資案如果再加上去的話超過66億啦算下來6年多啦加起來總共納稅錢花了141億可以提供一個學年200個公餐日每餐60塊喔這個可以供台灣的小學生吃一整年的營養午餐不是一個小數目結果我們來問文策院141億砸下去投入文化產業到底是賺是賠部長 |
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您知道嗎部長文化部跟我們回應說很抱歉依據政府資訊公開法第18條投資個案收益涉及營業命運不予提供換句話說這6年多來台灣2300萬人完全不知道這141億的納稅錢到底結果是什麼 |
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投資成效 損還是益多少錢 試賺試賠投資哪些案子 為什麼投資這些案子為什麼是那三部 不是其他的五部我們完全都不知道我們也索取資料也索取不到部長就像您講的這整個過程真的非常令人傻眼這是您的原話所以實際上 |
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人民是老闆 可是你們不能只跟老闆拿錢然後呢 我們要查訊息的時候無可奉告部長 您當時審預算的時候有說要大刀闊斧的來改進你怎麼改進就我們看了你們今天的報告啊十個字 健全投資管理相關機制可以就這樣帶過嗎部長 有沒有機會把相關的投資機制要如何改革可不可以講清楚 公開透明不要讓全民當冤大頭 可以嗎 |
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我两点补充一个就是当我们讲到我们投资多少亿多少亿的时候其实我们面临的竞争是好莱坞好莱坞一部电影新台币就20亿20亿30亿所以我们关于讲钱的数字的时候看它是要摆在哪一个投资项目里面我们面对的好莱坞都是二三十亿的投资这是第一个我要解释的第二个我一再讲从去年到现在我们其实做了很多的改变 |
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我會用書面我希望這個文策院用更仔細的書面告訴委員從剛開始成立到現在我們做了哪些改變數字還有您的改善的措施所以我們接下來 |
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您可不可以再更明確的為什麼為什麼我們一直在講文策院是因為啊當時文策院是由當時任文化部長的鄭麗君說啊 部會不適合投資結果看這張表啊全部的投資以以下以以上的全部都是部會直接投資只有文化部拉出來做一個文策院然後呢當時啊部長鄭麗君還說啊公務人士制度僵化要成立文策院延攬專才 |
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結果呢 文策院現任的董事長竟然是現在的文化部的次長王時思女士就在這裡完全違背當時文策院成立希望延攬專才的初衷是 文策院連一個專任的董事都找不到嗎我們又如何發揮這些功能呢那我們的這個評鑑報告裡面這是你們的評鑑報告 其中的一部分裡面提到了很多的KPI |
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3656.46 |
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說這個多元文化開發六項IP開發兩項提案培訓兩項創業經營合計兩項總共12項培訓22組潛力新創團隊結果本席在文策院的網站上完全沒有看到介紹任何一組新創團隊的介紹 |
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也不知道這些新創團隊後續的發展怎麼樣社會大眾要如何評估文策院到底是如何在培育的所以本席要提醒部長依據文化部組織法文化部的職長包含培育人、文化人才所以我們才來合理的提出質疑文化部和文策院的業務其實有很大一部分疊雙交互我想我講得很長啦謝謝主席的包容文策院的故事講到這確實如你所說啊 |
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恐怕令人非常傻眼我們每年投進文策院的錢超過21可是連文策院董事長都是文化部次長來兼任外界觀感會認為文策院的主要業務根本就可以回歸到文化部來執行 |
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就算有特殊的業務非要透過這個行政法人來做那全民的納稅錢怎麼用的我們所知又說數難提供到目前為止完全不透明變成一個大黑箱根本沒有辦法監督所以部長還是回到這句話希望您回到作家小野那般能夠誠實面對自己內心的狀態文策院目前會不會確實如您所說啊 |
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是令人非常傻眼的存在急需大刀闊斧的改革才能夠說服全國民眾繼續把幾十億的預算交由文策院來運用所以部長可不可以在現在這個moment誠實面對您自己的內心您既是部長 您也還是那個小野下一次預算審查以前可不可以交出一份大刀闊斧改革文策院的報告說服我們繼續支持文策院的預算部長有沒有信心可以做到 |
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我想我要講一句話就是我還是感謝葛禄君委員對我的信任其實文車院成立的那一刻我就是被聘為那個平均委員的召集人所以我已經陪著文車院走了四五年我真的有看到文車院裡面的一些結構還有補助方式還有一些可以再改進的空間但是沒有錯誤其實用錯誤這字也有點我們是在實驗 |
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所以我非常感謝你點到這個問題讓我表達我對文策院的熟悉我們請到最好的院長去年才報到他是來自自成會計師事務所他來之後對於財務的控管非常仔細我必須要請委員相信我們沒有一個人會想把文策院做壞因為文策院本身對台灣的文化產業是多麼的重要如果沒有文策院 |
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我敢保證這幾年下來台灣的非常多文化產業幾乎做不下去尤其是影視產業幾乎要消失您這個說法我想待會會有很多委員也都來評論您也不會只是您的單方面說法但是我還是要講 |
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專才就應該要由專才來擔任一個專才的缺位現在當時有設立這個就是要找專才結果我們現在是用文化部的人來聘用我們想要了解數字的時候告訴我們數難提供這個絕對需要大幅的改革我再次的感謝我們的主席最後我引用啦 |
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您在這本書我第三次在這次的質詢幫你打書了這個應該沒有圖利的問題我們圖的是公共利益好不好這本書人生不能什麼都要希望不只讓大家想起您也讓您想起自己 |
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3868.684 |
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當中作家小宇有一段話我瞧不起那些不必辛勤工作卻不勞而獲的台灣人更瞧不起把自己的幸福建立在別人痛苦的台灣人我只尊敬那些默默付出默默承擔一切的平凡百姓是他們凝聚了這個國家是他們 |
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讓這個社會可以前行我們不能讓辛勤工作乖乖納稅的百姓卻永遠只是輸家投資勢力台灣Plus如果沒做好人民就是輸家你同意嗎 |
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其實我一輩子做的工作都是有想到為台灣而做台灣就是由人民組成的我夜夜的工作想的都是這個納稅人的錢就是老百姓的錢我們非常小心的運用老百姓不會是輸家老百姓永遠會帶著台灣前進這是我的信心因為我來自民間嘛我覺得所有的趨勢都不會有英雄但是人民卻是 |
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眼睛看著所有事情最後的檢驗是人民他不會是出家台灣走了一百年走到現在可以看到人民多麼的了不起辛苦這是我當時講這句話的時候我的心情就是這個社會不會有英雄但是會有人民的集體的意志力我想您今天看到了立院的剛硬也看到了立院的柔軟我們朝偉在這裡都完全讓您暢所欲言 |
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我也希望您有剛硬也有柔軟而且也還要負責剛剛我們的話小野的話與李遠部長共勉我們也再次的期望文化部要提出改革方案不要再玩文字遊戲可以讓辛勤工作乖乖納粹的百姓從實對文策院對文化部的信心與期望謝謝好 我想我們會在很短時間內準備好一份改革的步驟給委員參考 謝謝 |
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3997.981 |
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4001.892 |
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好 下一位柯之恩委員謝謝莊委 我們請李遠部長有請部長 |
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高委員好部長好我想我們都還是有世代差距葛瑞堅講的是2016年的作品我都還是要提到你1975年永之聲的作品你就知道這個年代差距多少但是無可否認的大家都是以你粉絲的角度站在這個地方給予你非常大的一個期待我也曾經在這個質詢台上已經公開的說你是最懂影視 |
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然后你也应该是可以把这样子的一个影视行业带到跟过去不一样的因为你是来自于基层可是呢我还是必须要直指一些部长你所引发的一些的争议我不会花太多时间我只能说你在7月2号的时候呢的确台湾plus定位是不清楚这是大家都知道我们有改善的空间功夫惨败也的确是一个事实但是也不能是一步骗子惨败就抹杀未来我们要投资的砖都是事实你讲出你的话 |
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你最大犯的一个最大的争议就是你不应该在7月4号的时候全部改口好像是告诉大家大家原谅我说错话了为了保住预算要我讲什么就讲什么我觉得这件事情是你最大的一个争议因为你这样就会让大家觉得你是推翻过去好像你没有一个政务官的一个风骨因为你是这样子大家对于你未来 |
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我们怎么可以保证你离开这个立法院你在职权台上当面承诺我们呢会不会因为到了某个场合当中你又推翻部长这才是你今天会被战业党从头到尾批判的一个缘故我希望你能够了解这个争议然后这个争议完之后我想我有很大的问题这才是我们今天所要的你要保住政务官的风骨我觉得这才是一个让大家值得信赖的这个就是讲话的一个逻辑好不好部长 |
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好 接下来我们来看文策院刚刚有提到我也完全同意你刚刚说的文策院是要仿造这个韩国的文化产业人振兴院所以当郑立军部长那个时候的时候我刚好就在立法院我那时候质询他我们所有锁定的都是在于一个整个制度的设计我无意要批判王石斯次长因为我要问的是一个制度上的一个问题因为制度的时候那时候郑部长 |
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蔣经廷的告诉我那就是个中介机构一个agency是以投资而非存补这个方法来支持作品但是呢你们现在为什么会引发那么多的一个质疑你像光是一个所谓的董事长的一个角色完全违背的BG的一个原则啊 |
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那是正部长信誓旦旦告诉我们这个目前为止的话要交给专业来然后呢你看看那时候当你这个所谓的监督者就是我们的次长同时也是掌管者董事长明显就是球员兼裁判 |
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所以你看这件事情你走了倒回去的多少的学者专家不断来做你如何能够告诉我你们文策院还是可以独立运作即使你刚刚所提出来的你也是参与这个运作可是光是你如果是这样的话你何苦让一个董事长的一个角色要面临这么大的一个挑战而且呢 |
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有非常大的一个原则你知道吗你看文物策略院的董事13人当中政府的代表就有9人比例超过69%这高于法定规定虽然法定规定说你不能低于二分之一但你官方已经实际超过三分之二了都完全由官方来做一个主导 |
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然后你这个东西你告诉我你还有所谓的必具原则吗这根本就是贴身原则已经贴在一起了而且讲个最现实的一句话你看如果你用政策来兼的话像是国家力量公然介入主要来说的话你看张物官当董事长你来看看这样的一个原则当中 |
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督导的补助的文策院是文创司文策院董事又是文化部的政策那我想请问一下司长你敢过问你的次长的这任何的一个决断吗文策院董事要向文创司报告说明吗还是你这个东西到底如何万一发生事情是要问怪罪于文化部的部长董事长还是要怪罪于次长你这个权责不清楚文化界人才那么多何苦把你辛辛苦苦做的文策院 |
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确实要你要成员兼裁判让大家有这么多的批判部长不是吗这个是个原则的问题嘛你现在你的贴身作为不是一个必须原则这是制度的问题啊我讲的有道理吗部长文创业的 |
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牧窯單位是文創詞他的上級單位是文化部但是文化部跟文策院之間有一些條文是文化部可以規範文策院的包括董監事等等所以部長你講不清楚了你不必要讓你的文化部次長來兼任文策院而且你看 |
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当你文策院失去中介机构的独立专业的时候你过去的学习会非常的严重哦不管你的特定题材补助公不公平 绩效不破很多地方来说啦 我说实在的即使你说功夫票房惨赔但是对我个人来说我真的也不觉得就要因为这样子你就要把一些两千万以下非常小资本的一些很多独立创作者的这样子的一个机会全部给封杀掉 |
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所以你要对症下药你现在的部分里面来说你是开错药方啊你的重点是在于公平甄选补助不是减少专案投资的案件跟经费你像即使是投资基金你投资公司难道你们如果说万一不公里面有很多的部分难道不会被受到民间公司的影响吗那到底谁来主导说你要拿对药方好不好我还是要问那些小 |
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小资本的很有独立的这样的年轻人来发声不要因为一个功夫投资失败你就完全改变你的投资策略你上次完全没有拿对药方的不是吗我可不可以解释一下好你可以因为上次我讲了也许没有讲完整我说减少专案投资这句话引来很多 |
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台灣的獨立製片等等很緊張其實我把它講清楚一點就是因為我們有專案投資之後我們的錢花的比較在審核上比較快速但是因為回過頭來我覺得要把民間的資金再找回來的時候要把民間資金捲回來的時候我們對國內外的基金讓他從國內外的民間基金來一起成立創投公司這些創投公司本身也是把這個錢投資到 |
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不是不是部長你是要對於創投公司你太過於信任透過投資基金投資公司就沒有風險嗎請問你現在成立的幾家公司你跟哪民間哪一些的公司合作民間公司自有民間的考量難道這個文策院跟國發基金不會被這些合作的這個民間公司來左右嗎所以這些都不是一個重點大家在發生這件事情的時候要的就是一個公平然後呢你不要有特定的人 |
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特定的議題然後呢才是一個開誠布公這是大家最需要的原則就你如果沒有保護這個原則你成立的投資公司投資公司搞不好還是有很多特定的部分還是沒辦法解決你的問題嘛所以部長你要這邊你要公開承諾你未來所有不管你用專案或是投資都是應該秉持專業為導向所以第一步我真的建議不要讓文策院花了這麼多錢 |
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因为你们的制度完全由你们文化部门来兼任让权责不清然后大家完全重点放在这边忽略你后面你要做的努力这得不偿失部长你好好地回去慎重考虑吧好不好好我都是苦口婆心因为我是你1975年的粉丝好不好是谢谢 |
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然後呢 你的台灣Plus它真的是 我還是要說台灣Plus 我們負責人是台灣Plus本來就是定位即使你花了這麼多時間 五年的時間但是它定位就是有問題你那時候審計部說你的目標跟你當初的國際的擴散度的確不足而且你的內容跟計畫的目標的確有在商榷重點是你的效益跟你的數據一個 |
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部长你以前有投资过你很清楚一个有权利有才华有什么不需要五年给了这么多钱当中他是有机会的他基本上的本质你所设计的目标本身就有问题举例来说你这些书面报告我真的觉得部长你真的这些书面报告应该让你自己去写了因为你是作者你编写给你编思考错误的事也比较少你需要全部教你下面你看看 |
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你说你们的数位传播影响力然后你要让台湾Plus了解台湾可是你举的例子你举的例子是什么花莲强震绝育模拟攻击凤凰台风这些拜托你举这些例子这些例子CNGO来报哪里需要你台湾Plus来报那白日是国际新闻啊 |
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那你拿這個東西當你要來凸顯台灣Plus國際視野你不覺得你舉例錯誤嗎而且你還說114年8月流量增加台灣Plus做了什麼那個時候就是大發明的時候你把大發明的部分裡面來告訴大家全世界對我們來說這是民主萬象對我們來說是民主的表徵你不是討罵嗎這麼多的例子可以舉你舉這幾個例子你不是讓大家覺得很火嗎不是嗎 |
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部長你會去看看用你的筆去看看而且我還必須要說你看113 114年預算根本就用不完分別執行多少誰能夠告訴我有沒有剩有沒有剩每個人都這樣說那你告訴我錢有沒有用完誰可以回答這個問題有沒有剩 |
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报告委员那个他们怕是在去年的执行率97%然后呢有没有剩余就97%所以有剩余部分剩余款我告诉你113预算编列9亿多113执行半年延用尚有原因在做解释你到了114年完整的一年执行拼命花延到今年5月还缴回1800万 |
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台灣plus的錢然後呢是有剩的而且你還全部搞限制性的招標一大堆的採購案每一筆錢都是我們民脂民膏所以我說嘛你既然有這些錢你還要求華氏租金打六二折這到了什麼心態 |
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所以呢我还是强调一周内部长你也公开承认一周内我要将节目直播采购直播采购凡引用政府采购法第22条第一项第14款的采购案明确列举给我们来看我要知道每一笔的费用到底是怎么花的否则大家在那边吵老半天经销各自有但是光是预算的数字会说明一切可以吗一个礼一个礼拜之内 |
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而且我还是必须要说你们的副职讲这个问题美国三个月然后呢这个问题已经引起很多你们内部人跟我们来做成绩没有人这样办公的所以我告诉你最大的四个问题预算太多拼命浪费消化不完管理跟考勤是严重的不章而且最重要是你的节目的品质让我们觉得你资源浪费才过问题部长你的台湾plus是有很多问题你就是告诉大家他就是有很多问题勇敢面对唯有勇敢面对 |
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不要去後面講那有的沒有的你才有辦法好好的改善這個台灣plus大家所的部分可以嗎好我們時間的關係有關華視的問題我們就下次有機會再來問了謝謝謝謝委員好現在先處理臨時提案今天有委員提出臨時提案議案請宣讀 |
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您是提案鉴于文化内容测试院自成立以来投资影视作品成效不彰 |
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財務透明度不足投資制度及審查機制已生爭議文化部及文策院應重新檢視減少專案投資轉向基金及投資公司的政策方向避免因誤判問題而開錯藥方原要求文化部停止以減少專案投資作為改革手段並針對投資決策審查程序資訊公開及 |
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好 請問一下委員提案委員有無補充說明 |
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請問機關代表謝謝委員的提案是不是可以做一個比較簡短的這個提案的修正 |
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就是我們在最後一段原要求文化部停止這個部分可不可以改成檢討提案策略避免以減少專案投資作為改革手段為什麼這樣說是因為事實上我們並沒有減少專案投資應該是說為了看守預算避免這個投資的腐爛所以在做這個所以並不是以減少專案投資為目標好 提案委員可以嗎可以好 照修正文字通過繼續進行詢答請陳秀寶委員詢答 |
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謝謝主席 請文化部李部長有請部長陳委員妳好部長好 部長 本期在這邊還是在為我們國家的文化發展為台灣在國際上發聲來做一個聲援7月2號我們審查文化部預算的時候在台黨立委提案要將文化部115年度的每宣費用全數刪除 |
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當時他講的理由非常的牽強他說因為文化部去年沒有沒宣費宣傳也做得很好顯然今年也不需要宣傳費所以115年的文化部的這個沒宣費預算會全數刪除雖然到最後經過各委員表達意見之後是凍結800萬 |
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但對於這樣子大刀一揮不分青紅皂白的提案呢本席也感到非常的遺憾也絕對無法認同那在野黨也揚言說在二輪提案的時候會再提案刪除114年度文化部的美宣會就已經遭到全數刪除了如果115年再遭到刪除我感覺文化部的整個預算的執行整個業務的執行文化部的處境會令人十分的擔憂 |
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台湾的文化力是我们最珍贵的软实力从文学推广到影视产业这些美丽的故事如果没有适当的预算来进行媒体推广我们要如何让国人看见又如何能够走出国际让世界看见台湾的多元与美好 |
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那全數刪除這筆預算呢唯一是削弱台灣在國際的能見度也是阻擋了我國文化力的健全發展那本席在這邊也要呼籲在野黨其實見度預算應該是要合理那不應該留於盲目的這個政治惡鬥我想我也理解大眾對於預算執行的成效的關心但是不能用這種一刀切的方式扼殺了文化推廣的命脈部長我想請教您 |
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如果115年的美宣費最終能是被全數刪除對於文化部現在正在推動的一些國際文化的交流以及國內的藝文產業的推廣會造成怎麼樣嚴重的衝擊會不會影響到我們怎樣重要的活動宣傳例如說現在即將到來的文博會 |
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謝謝委員講到這一點其實這個大家對於沒宣費都有一個錯誤的觀念好像是有一筆錢政府去大內宣買廣告下廣告其實都不是其實我們在報告裡面寫得非常清楚那個沒宣費分配在每一個每一個活動裡面 |
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比如哪一個師、交流師、文創師什麼師他辦什麼活動講到去年我們真的是很多國際活動包括從前年開始奧運、文化奧運到這個大阪世博我們都是透過民間很多的募款民間的募款然後透過很多方式自己寫這個新聞稿透過自己的方式假如我們有煤燻費的話我們每一個活動花了這麼多錢在做 |
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我們只要有沒宣費下一點廣告而且那個廣告是下載一個我們覺得有效率的有效果的有收視率的那個點我們其實沒宣費用得非常精準絕對不是大家想像說把他花掉用錢不多嘛所以我非常懇求 |
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媒宣費這樣三個字其實大家一直有誤解其實它說出來就是每一個部門的每一個活動的行銷費用我如果改一個名詞變成每個活動的行銷費用你就會知道它多麼的對我們來講是一個命脈那去年我們度過了一年沒有媒宣費不表示我們不需要媒宣費其實因為我們沒有媒宣費我們有很多活動本來可以做得更好的 |
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而且各位委員也看到我們文化部一年比一年每個活動都做了很進步比如金曲獎今年做得非常好為什麼因為大家都非常努力不是因為沒有沒宣費是大家非常努力做但是如果有沒宣費我們真的可以把一個花這麼多錢辦的活動讓更多人知道 |
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謝謝我想部長您的意思說沒有沒宣費呢在公部門沒有這筆預算的時候我們很多的活動經費必須對外去募款沒有沒宣費我們依然做得很認真但是如果有沒宣費我們可以把活動辦得更好是這個意思嗎像那個去年大阪世博我們就 |
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有民間主動募款給我們買廣告等等啦我覺得好像不用做到民間去募款來讓我們去做行銷我覺得好像我們編的預算分配到每一個那個部門都很少啦做兩三百萬兩三百萬那個錢其實再分配到每一個活動都是一點點 |
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聽起來好像很多其實分到每個活動都是一點點所以我在這邊懇求我也願意在一項一項的非一項的來跟委員溝通一項一項的跟委員溝通希望千萬今年不要再把我們全部刪掉甚至於就算是給我們四千多萬我們也會謹慎的來運用謝謝 |
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謝謝部長我們近期的台灣文化的推廣不管是深入國外夜市來展現台灣庶民美食魅力的實境節目我們這一攤還是近期引發熱烈討論的請世界吃半桌都很成功的把台灣飲食文化帶向世界也獲得大眾極度的好評那同時作家楊雙子的台灣漫遊路更是榮獲了國際文學大獎 |
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他有很細膩的這個筆觸將台灣的歷史跟文化記憶推向國際舞台當民進的力量都已經如此積極熱情的將台灣文化推向全球的時候如果說當然台灣文化火車頭的文化部相關的宣傳預算在立法院遭到無理惡意的凍結這是令人十分遺憾的甚至還說在二輪提案的時候會全數刪除 |
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如同剛才部長您說的文化宣傳不是無謂的花費它是讓世界看見台灣的重要媒介如果沒有預算的支持我們的創作者跟優秀的作品要如何走出台灣所以本席要再次的呼籲監督預算應該理性客觀我們也要守護台灣文化守護我們文化部的資源預算讓文化部有足夠合理的資源我們台灣的軟實力才能在國際上走得更遠好 那我再請教一下部長 |
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文化部今年大力的扶植本土的影視作品的產製那今年電影補助大概每年在50到60件電視劇大概是15到30件但今年的電影補助的目前只有14件電視劇呢只是尚未公佈部長這邊可以說明一下說今年大概補助的件數大概的狀況嗎 |
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那個看到那個件數跟錢的原因是因為他每一年在那個預算播出去的那個狀況不太一樣跟那個量減少是沒有關係我是不是請這個影視局那請你簡短說一下跟委員報告今年都還沒有審剛收完件再整理都還沒有審那數字應該是以前的對以前的那每年審的那個補助的件數其實都差不多是因為今年還沒有審對好謝謝 |
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5273.541 |
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那除了政府补助投资之外呢其实国际串流平台在今年也提高投资台湾影视因内容的产制文化部这边有没有跟串流平台合作来吸引平台能够持续提升对台湾影视因内容的投资 |
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有提到文策院最大的改變就是在跟台灣三大平台中華電信、遠傳跟台灣大哥大進行了這個合資原因就是因為他們本身也需要一個作品來播出然後他們也發現投資台灣本身的本地作品的水準跟那個流量 |
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遠遠開始比他們想像中還高當這個流量高以後他們就更願意投資文車院在這段時間花了很長的時間跟三個基金這三家OTT還有跟國外韓國等等一些基金共同投資這個平台的目的就是希望 |
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我們的影片可以在川流平台上得到更多人的注意事實上如果各位有了解到最近台灣的很多聚集在川流平台上的收看率是非常高的其實我想 |
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對於這些串流平台的合作呢對於我們的這些影視音推廣是非常的重要那目前有民眾反映說串流平台上有多個海外使用的介面呢有將台灣影視音作品歸類在中國的這個分類的欄位那串流平台你們有這邊有說明說應該是系統設定錯誤會進行更正那本席是認為說文化部是不是可以跟串流平台來做協議 |
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是不是增設一個台灣這樣的一個分類的項目來提升台灣影視音作品的能見度這個部分是不是可以跟串流平台來溝通好 我們來努力 |
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沒有 這點我們來繼續爭取繼續爭取因為它是一個國際的平台那我們跟它溝通我想這個蠻重要的希望說我們文化部這邊除了補助產製影視音作品也能跟創流平台這邊的合作更密切有這樣的機制那我們可以透過這個國際平台的優勢協助台灣影視音來推向國際其實我這邊要說 |
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國際間的交流互動不管是科技、學術、商業或是教育其實在交流中文化的互動常常是畫龍點睛的像2025年我們故宮的翠玉白菜到捷克當時我們台灣的國樂團寶島辦桌一系列的演出其實讓在場參與的人都非常熱烈的讚賞最近現在波蘭在辦台灣形象展 |
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我們台南又有五位兒童合唱團還有屏東的排灣族合唱團在波蘭唱國歌這個讓在場的這個天籟之音讓在場的這個與會人士都很感動也讓很多波蘭人他們會想要來看看台灣 |
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看看這些美麗聲音的故鄉所以我們以歌聲我們以戲劇以文字以文化來感動世界來行銷臺灣我希望說臺灣的文化力是我們最尊貴的軟實力我希望大家一起來支持文化部部長請加油謝謝你剛才講的這真的是我們文化部最想做的事情謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝 |
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我們下一位議員執委員我們在議員執委員巡達完畢的時候休息五分鐘主席好 慢慢請部長 謝謝有請部長 |
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廖委員好部長好那個上一次我們在那邊審預算的時候我就覺得部長真的有那個知識分子的風骨啦面對大家質疑台灣Plus跟公夫的投資失敗你當下立刻就承認錯誤就說台灣Plus是個災難然後公夫令人傻眼但我沒有講到兩天後部長出席活動的時候感覺又變了一個人 |
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就是說我是說錯話啦我那天是為了要得到預算你要我得到預算我什麼話我都講得出來我是說錯話請原諒我說錯話 |
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我第一個 部長你來立法院我不知道現在你是什麼心情是不是也是想說混過這個質詢時間隨便講講反正明天又是議委活龍我不知道因為那天審預算就是這樣第二個我覺得很奇怪因為你說你是為了得到預算所以你才故意這樣迎合 |
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立法委員可能那天羅志強比較兇你要讓他軟化所以你就故意軟化所以他也真的軟化了你真的騙到他了但如果你的目的是為了預算預算還沒審完啊現在還有第二輪啊所以你忽然間改口那不是讓大家覺得說喔你是這種人喔那第二輪我要嚴審所以你達不到你騙預算的目的啊所以我懷疑啦我懷疑啦你是不是那一天太誠實了 |
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導致於你可能是不是被九把刀的某某朋友罵還是呢被台灣plus的某某支持者罵所以逼迫你必須要改口這什麼原因啊 |
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5601.532 |
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沒有人逼迫我沒有我講的每一句話在這兩天在不同的狀況講的每一句話都是因為我今天在跟大家報告文策院也好台灣普拉斯也好它成立的時間很短不不不 |
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我們執政是很有限 我就真的不能回答因為我的一個問 我的好奇是說如果你是為了當下是為了要預算 過預算所以你才這樣講然後隔兩天你就覺得我不是那個意思我只為預算 但預算還沒審完啊所以你到底是為什麼其實那個我們在字眼上不要用騙預算其實我那一刻是發自內心委員對我指教 |
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5624.58 |
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我願意面對所有的問題 包括文采院的問題好啦好啦 不要唸稿啦 你是一個人人欸 你還要看著稿唸好啦部長 部長我跟你講我們質詢時間真的是很有限我真的沒辦法讓你長編大論啦其實我的問題大家聽得很清楚啦一個你的改口我認為有兩個問題啦一個就是不可以來立法院這樣子啦 |
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什麼叫做當下為了要過預算所以我只好這樣講其實我不是那個意思原諒我說錯的話那你每次在這邊我們怎麼知道面對的是哪一個小野還是部長還是李源還是你不是你的你我覺得不能這樣子大家都以誠待人我們就找問題解決問題因為你是政務官納稅人給文化部錢希望我們把關你如果覺得我們講有道理就更正改進就好我覺得大家不要來這邊話術來話出去納稅人也不想看到這樣所以我覺得你要永保初衷 |
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5701.8 |
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你就是省預算的那一天的你 就是災難台灣Plus 我等一下會證明給你看好不好 功夫就是投資失敗對不對 你沒有說錯話 你要有勇氣好不好 你不要迫於壓力 這個該講什麼就講什麼 對不對那我們就直接進入到那個台灣Plus為什麼我覺得台灣Plus災難 我看到你們那個報告 我都覺得好笑 |
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5726.977 |
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真的第一個你們報告講說台灣Plus現在台灣Plus已經拿了大概98億快100億了啦100億其實是一個非常大的數字一年10億這很大一筆錢但是它到底達到什麼效果呢這個根據你們的報告講台灣Plus是要及時而且深度的傳達台灣的觀點跟故事所以應該是要用台灣的觀點跟全世界講 |
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5727.757 |
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5733.068 |
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台灣人是怎麼看待這件事情結果你們的做法完全是背道而馳第一個 |
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5734.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5759.243 |
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你們在你們的報告裡面也有提到一個節目叫台灣Talk台灣Talk我覺得超奇怪的第一個它的主持人是外國人我是不太懂啊為什麼我們要向全世界傳達台灣的聲音結果要找一個外國人來台灣傳達台灣的聲音台灣人沒有一個可以傳達台灣的聲音要外國人來傳達台灣的聲音而且這個外國人是有什麼特別代表性嗎 |
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5777.554 |
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第二個你這個節目每次找兩個來賓兩個來賓裡面常常也有一個是外國人甚至兩個都是外國人然後如果有台灣人有時候那個台灣人他也能夠傳到台灣聲音嗎他也有他的立場啊我還有看過那個台灣人是民進黨的政治人物 |
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5778.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
5789.34 |
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結果你在你的報告裡面還把這個台灣Talk當作是一個很重要的宣傳說台灣Talk很棒到底是為什麼啊是為什麼一定要找外國人來傳達台灣的聲音呢 |
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不講不講不講台灣Plus的問題如果你還講不出來的話我是覺得很失職了啦因為今天的重點就是要講台灣Plus你應該是在今天來之前就要針對這個問題好好跟台灣Plus討論請問為什麼一定要找外國人來講台灣的聲音其實我一開始就講了很多關於這個的問題就是針對問題回答啦因為我後面問題很多這樣子我們講不完好不好為什麼就是為什麼要找 |
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外國人來傳達台灣的聲音為什麼要找外國人傳達台灣的聲音這個問題就是在我們一開始定位這個頻道的時候大量招募國外的記者的原因是我們需要一個國際頻道他們英文的發音各種條件都很高但是我們到了目前為止 |
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慢慢地由我們自己本國的好謝謝因為我後面題目很多所以你的選擇條件就是因為要英文嘛英文只是語言只是工具重點是內容跟觀點我覺得你找外國人來講這個事情就是莫名其妙第二個我們來看你台灣Plus除了台灣Talk之外還有另外一個節目叫Connected嘛對吧 |
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妙了勒 這個節目也是外國人當主持人所有的台灣plus的節目通通都是外國人當主持人然後來賓也是一堆外國人台灣沒人才了嗎部長就像你也是一個很好的人才啊你也常常可以忠實傳達台灣聲音啊為什麼要找外國人來勒而且以前我們也有發現很多外國人來之後又水土不服又離開離開之後還在臉書發表長篇大論把台灣plus罵一頓你真的覺得這是一個好的做法嗎 |
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當然不是好做謝謝所以為什麼我會說我們要從開始到現在不斷地調整我們的記者不斷地調整我們的結構不斷地調整我們的節目不是 部長一個媒體剛出來的時候當然它有適應期但是Torrent Plus從它創台到現在已經很多年了我現在講是正在發生事情你如果告訴我說過了那麼多年你還在調整 |
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那這個媒體代表它沒有效果嘛那我們是不是還要每年燒十億 |
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再燒一百億 再燒兩百億去做這一件達不到你原本的初始效果的事情這是我覺得你要去考慮的是不是災難我們等一下再來講然後再來喔這個在你們報告裡面有提到台灣Talks這個我都是引用你們報告喔台灣Talks這個節目主要觀眾來源是印度 菲律賓及美國我想請問一下菲律賓佔多少%數因為寫得很籠統有沒有佔到一半 |
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有沒有12%菲律賓12%對菲律賓12%印度呢印度多少少於12%然後其他全部都美國嗎美國44%然後其他勒 |
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你這個數據我也不知道真還假的啦這個部長我為什麼這樣子講呢當初說我們台灣Plus的目的是要跟全世界傳達台灣的聲音吧結果你的主要觀眾來源是印度菲律賓而且特別我去看了一下為什麼是菲律賓因為你節目裡面常常在講菲律賓常常在講菲律賓我是不知道為什麼菲律賓這個國家對於台灣Plus來說這麼重要你現在是要統戰菲律賓還是怎麼樣 |
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我們現在全世界這麼多個國家為什麼你不是針對宏都拉斯你們不是常常在講說宏都拉斯白蝦都現在跟台灣斷交以後都賣不出去然後外交部要去努力把宏都拉斯建交回來為什麼不是針對宏都拉斯為什麼不是澳洲為什麼不是日本現在不是要發展台歐關係為什麼是菲律賓 |
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阿菲律賓有對我們特別好嗎之前那個南海仲裁十週年阿菲律賓在太平島主權還跟我們有爭議咧他現在是要放棄太平島主權嗎為什麼是菲律賓部長 |
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因為這個節目本身我們談的是地緣政治地緣政治只有菲律賓喔日本不重要 韓國不重要但是我們這個節目受到菲律賓的重視為什麼嘛就是為什麼我們target是菲律賓嘛我們不是target是菲律賓結果就是菲律賓嘛 |
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部長不要再凹了啦我覺得大家都有公平啦你說地緣政治地緣政治這麼多的國家你只中菲律賓這到底是因為這個節目製作單位選材的問題還是特定幾個人的主要觀點問題對不對這個你要去了解啊這很奇怪嘛這也是非常奇怪一件事情再來我們繼續看 |
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那個你講說我看你們報告你說Town Plus很有成果啦因為呢很多國外的媒體都引用我們的新聞像颱風也有引用我們的畫面不是啊Town Plus的存在目的是這個嗎我跟你講有一個媒體做得比Town Plus還要好在這一塊你知道什麼媒體嗎跟你也有關係啦中央社啦 |
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中央社就是在做這個的嘛中央社他的所有的媒體他也負責海外宣傳然後他跟美聯社各個國家的通訊社通通都有合作在海外也有據點所以你現在所謂的town plus引以為傲的有一些國外媒體引用我們的畫面中央社通通都做得到啊那你何必跌床架屋再來 |
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你們講到說Town Plus有它是一個電視台嘛對不對所以台灣也看得到嘛好像在無限地7頻道然後在有限電視台MOD也都有海外也有對不對海外說在現在要在英國 愛爾蘭然後那個馬來西亞 印度 帛琉甚至我看新聞說新加坡也有啦請問一下收視率多少有統計過收視率嗎海外收視率有沒有 |
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海外都是OTT點擊為主不是 收視率啦 什麼OTT點擊我講的是 你有落地嗎你打開電視都看得到你跟我講OTT點擊收視率你一個是電視台是收視率如果是社群媒體是點擊我現在問的是收視率社群我等一下會問收視率多少 |
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跟委員報告像印度Joy TV它就是OTT平台馬來西亞MALA MALA也都是OTT平台都是OTT平台是是那沒有那種那譬如說台灣收視率多少我們台灣沒有訂購收視率沒有什麼沒有訂購收視率所以你們連你有電視台你連收視率你都不在乎所以你們是一個沒有KPI的媒體嘛 |
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報告委員我們是公共媒體然後我們是以社群媒體你是一個沒有可以不是不管說你的重點在哪裡收視率也是一個很重要參考指標因為整個國際的觀影習慣你看一個電視台他連收視率他都不在乎連訂閱報告都沒有訂閱海外也都沒有 |
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然後說是有一些是OTT平台他看點閱沒關係收視率你講不出來那我們來看點閱率這個是你們統計的嘛4.7萬億次嘛這是全部平台相加嘛對吧這是你報告吧沒有錯吧4億很多嗎我們現在已經到4.8億了一樣嘛這個是你給我的報告嘛那你為什麼不寫4.8億你為什麼要寫4.7億你為什麼在今天報告你還要給錯資料為什麼 |
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然後狗狗在更正為什麼我們逐步成長因為你一天成長一千萬喔不要在那邊耍嘴皮子啦部長可以回來嗎我今天是質詢李遠部長不是這位好不好因為這個問題跟你講你要去盯啦一個沒有KPI的公共媒體4.7億很多嗎全部加起來很多嗎你知道我昨天問一個網紅叫CHIP他說他的點閱率剛破4億 |
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真的沒有很多啦而且你這個很多都是短影音去刷的嘛你是想要深度報導嘛你很多是短影去刷的嘛真的沒有很多啦所以收視率沒有統計流量也沒有很高我們再來看我們再來看你現在預算非常多其實你們有很多是偽製對吧都是委外的吧有一個我隨便看了一個節目我聽說啦一集的偽製 |
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預算是六十萬我不知道真的還假的這個後面是真的還假的一起偽製預算一個單元訪談節目六十萬有沒有這個狀況報告委員可能要給我們節目名稱比如說一個好像有一個那個我最近訪問王文洋還是誰的節目主持人有沒有我沒有你們偽製節目最高的預算是多少 |
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一個談話節目 委資預算委外喔 不是你們現在用你們的機油的設備那些喔是委託外面的製作單位製作的最高多少平均預算大概10到11萬那其他的呢 譬如說一個聶雲的節目一集委外多少這主要是看內容所以我要回去瞭解這我要回去瞭解再給委員資料報告你都不知道 有沒有一集60萬的不會到60萬確定 那如果有怎麼辦 |
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所以你都不知道 你都不知道 你都不曉得你們有偽製 那效益是什麼他的點擊還有 點擊也不高啊 我看也不高啊點擊相當不錯 點擊並沒有不錯 並沒有不錯並沒有不錯 並沒有不錯 |
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我們有幾個節目包括剛剛委員有提到不是啦部長請到質詢台我剛剛講了這麼多啦當然你一年花十億下去你當然可以說我有一個節目很不錯國外有一個媒體用了我的畫面可以挑一些零星的效果放在你的報告裡面包裝的好像效果很好但這個媒體我們已經幾年花了快一百億耶快一百億是這樣的效果部長你滿意嗎 |
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你如果再花100億他可以達到什麼效果還是一樣主要的對象都菲律賓題材也都是菲律賓然後流量還是一樣大概不如跟台灣的一個國內網紅差不多然後委制的預算這麼高然後找了一堆外國人來講台灣的觀點這個媒體到底定位是什麼效果是什麼 KPI是什麼 |
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你在管理一個媒體的時候都沒有去想這些問題嗎這都納稅人的錢耶然後今天 部長你都已經知道我們要討論TIME PLUS結果問你問題我問的問題都是很大項問題我不是問你很細的問題結果都要旁邊的一直地址條不是 那你讓我回答嘛你都沒有機會跟我講話嘛 |
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那你要針對問題回答譬如說你剛剛講100億那不是這個數字啊那多少5年32億啊我們每年就是那個那個絕對沒有到10億啊所以你沒有機會跟我講所以你一口氣往下講還是很多啊不是啦還是很多啊100億跟什麼還是很多啊就像剛剛講到外國外國記者那我們就是因為一開始是外國記者 |
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做了幾年之後我慢慢調整到本國記者72%外國記者28%我剛剛講的是節目主持人我講的是節目耶不然我不是不給你時間回答每次給你時間回答你都沒有針對我的問題回答我剛剛舉的都是節目你們旗艦節目你放在報告裡面宣傳節目都是外國的主持人嘛外國的來賓嘛講台灣的觀點嘛很怪嘛是 |
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可是因為你剛剛有些問題 譬如說一期六十萬我還真的不會打啊那你了解一下嘛 好不好這個就是預算使用 亂用嘛沒有KPI嘛沒有目標嘛反正要到了錢隨便花嘛有諮詢率就好 然後再來有人在管嗎總編輯回來了嗎 |
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遠距工作三個月回來了嗎回來了啊禮拜二回來的嘛對不對是上次說七月十號嘛結果禮拜二回來嘛為什麼一個總編輯可以遠距工作三個月部長你可以到美國遠距工作三個月領導文化部嗎 |
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你會做這個事嗎這個左銘一直是去年就來了但是就有想好他有三個月在美國工作但是那個美國工作他到底做了什麼其實我報告上寫得非常清楚他人在美國照樣進行但是因為人在美國還要進行了好幾個合作計畫就是說 |
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他不是一個答應的一個媒體機構有分工如果有需要美國計畫你就派另外的人去美國計畫總編輯是領導所有媒體的人他可以不在台灣嗎他是副總副執行長他可以不在台灣嗎然後還有時差他負責所有的編輯他是副執行長對啊 |
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所以只要因為他有任務在美國所以他就可以在美國然後可以遠距工作三個月大家聽得下去嗎任何一個媒體可以這樣嗎哪個媒體沒有海外的合作項目所以只要有海外的合作項目他就可以去海外三個月可以這樣子喔那你文化部也有海外合作項目啊那部長你也去三個月啊 |
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不合理嘛 就不合理嘛 那是誰批准的這件事情台灣Plus有沒有人在管理嘛其實我跟你講 我不是要一直推拖那個責任是因為我們台灣Plus是屬於公共廣播集團有非常多事情包括人的任命 做什麼我都不能干預它你是不讓我請執行長來講 |
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不是 你都不能干預他然後呢 你又來被尋然後呢 他又做得很莫名其妙然後執行長也是疑問三不知問他一級委制費有六十萬我不知道 我要回去查一下然後呢 委員沒有什麼之類的你們講什麼都在這邊反正他再也不會來了啊好 時間到這樣是什麼態度嘛是不是災難嘛 部長 |
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是不是災難其實我現在你說是災難其實你說是災難我們才能夠讓災難平息嘛如果你認為不是災難那不好意思可能明年可能幾年之後我們還在講一樣問題對不對那我來看到說統戰菲律賓有沒有成功嘛我希望能夠因為這樣的事情我們重新檢討勇敢面對問題其實我們這邊有做蠻多改變啊我講的都是現在的事喔我沒有講幾年前的事我講的是現在發生的事 |
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你改變之後還是這樣啊現在我已經有時候因為我講的話前因後果被拿掉之後單獨一句話我其實本來自己認為我是一個非常會表達的人我也自己以為我會很會溝通可是我今天站在這個台上我其實嘴巴張開齁我不太會講話耶為什麼因為我每次講得很完整的一大段以後我總是會被拿出一句來 |
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我就變成我不太會解釋我跟你講啦 因為你現在有包袱啦我不是包袱欸所以你怕說真話又不小心被人家包袱太重我們一直問我說以前小野現在林遠我可以告訴你 我是同一個人嘛我同一個人嘛你要哽咽啦我沒有哽咽啦 我聲音破了我沒有哽咽 我沒那麼容易哽咽 |
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好 時間到再一分鐘 再一分鐘那這個我覺得是災難啊你沒講錯 不要改口 好不好然後我想問一下那個一樣 另外一個議題你說功夫電影補助的問題但我這就很快提一下我認為啦 這個就給你建議 好不好我認為電影輔導金當初成立有它的目的 |
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後來文策院成立也有他的目的但是文策院成立之後電影扶導金他的目的並沒有改變所以就變成跌床架屋我們就舉功夫這個例子為例當文策院他的重點是因為認為焦巴刀是一個好導演過去的時期所以投資了一億給他希望能夠回收然後這一億的目的是點火希望他可以利用這個一億去引進民間資金讓他有足夠的資金去拍片那你扶導金為什麼還要做一樣的事情呢 |
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你輔導金當初就是要輔導那些不容易找到民間資金的那些導演嘛那為什麼後來成立了國發基金在文政院之後輔導金也沒有改變呢跌床架屋啊就變成他就變成慈禧效應嘛像九把刀這種就兩邊拿 拿很多那有一些可能真的需要輔導金幫忙的他真的過去名氣沒有那麼高 |
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他就沒有辦法達到引起民間資金的效果所以請你們好不好因為主席已經在很久請你們去檢討一下文策院出來之後國發基金投資出來之後輔導金的補助辦法 |
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要不要做調整可以嗎因為這有排擠效果我可不可以講一句話可以事實上輔導機裡面有一個叫新人組專門針對沒有拍過電影的導演我知道百分之五十拿到錢喔我知道全世界只有台灣做得到部長所以他沒有排擠啊沒有沒有有排擠因為他就是總額三億嘛那你有四個項我知道嘛有新人組動畫組這種我都知道 |
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我現在是針對說你不需要譬如說我們看結果來講扶老金我認為就是不需要補助酒吧頭為什麼補助他你國家經營補助一億啊你為什麼扶老金還要給他三千五百萬 |
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為什麼他拿的好像是下一部電影的錢因為他曾經得過錢功夫這部電影就拿了一億五千萬一億國發基金三千五百萬國片輔導金你國發基金給他一億為什麼國片輔導金還要給他三千五百萬為什麼所以在上一次我有特別講說我們重新針對輔導金跟投資這兩項其實我們最近有開了會 |
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我跟委員報告你要調整嘛 對不對所以你也覺得有問題嘛所以功夫就令人傻眼嘛好 那沒關係你最後的制度再給我們但是我今天今天為什麼招人會排這個報告你看他題目也很有藝術你栽贊說來看文化部為什麼 因為你栽贊說對的 |
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希望你不要改口你不要今天來這邊 喔 又一副就是對我以為你講的都對 我們要調整回去隔兩天之後又講說哎呀 我那天就是因為他一直他講我沒辦法我就應付他啊 不然我下不去啊什麼之類希望我不要看到你再講這樣的話好不好好 沒問題心口合一好 謝謝部長謝謝好 謝謝我們休息五分鐘 |
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好現在開會下一位郭玉琴委員好謝謝主席有請部長有請部長郭委員好 |
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好 部長早安辛苦了那我想這個7月4號其實這個公共電視這個電視就是電視台日其實我也有特別去參加了那一看到這個滿山的這可以叫滿山的講座 |
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那才發現其實那只是其中部分之一那我想這個不管是今天的專案報告的題目台灣plus也好或者是文化內容投資也好或者是公共資源的運用這看起來好像是三個不一樣的一個議題那其實大家在講的我覺得都是在回答同一個問題啊這個問題就是我們的文化部怎麼樣來運用所謂的公共資源創造最大的一個文化的價值 |
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那有時候這個文化價值他不是短短的一年三年五年就可以看得到成效那他所看的也不是只有在所謂的不管是票房也好流量也好或者是投資報酬率也好我想這個元素他不是單一而且是非常複雜的那再次提到因為當天其實我們 |
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我不知道部長您還記得這個去年啊去年我們在審114年的這個年度總預算的時候這個公共電視差一點差一點齁這個被刪掉23億這件事情 |
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那有許多的影視文化工作者包含小弟老師那天其實在去年的1月27號的時候也同樣跟我們一起站在立法院的一廠的門口 |
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但這一次呢其實我們又看到這個既視感又回來了那好不容易其實這個我們看到金許獎才剛剛落幕而且是非常非常之精彩那所有人其實真的也都為了這樣子的一個獎項的精湛的整個所有的過程其實都是 |
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投以非常大的一個肯定但是其實我們一定要特別提到關於預算的這個部分尤其是在媒宣很多人以為它可能只是一部戲或者一首歌或一張專輯或者是一個節目的宣傳費用那其實不止其實這個所謂的媒宣費用4000多萬 |
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其實也包含了下半年非常重要的一個活動的一個宣傳那當然也包含國際書展明年的國際書展那還有兒少的這個書展另外還有時裝週文博會金庭獎還有金曼獎還有更多重要的場館的一個美宣的一個費用喔那我想呢在這裡其實當然這個部長也說 |
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今天不管今天的這個我們質詢備詢的一個主題是什麼那當然也有可能有被去脈絡化的解讀啦齁那在這裡我想請教一下部長喔 |
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我們看到許多的這個公媒包含我們的公共電視製作了非常多的優質的戲劇那麼一把青他是在講眷村的故事那這個引起非常多的迴響斯卡羅在講的是多元共生的肯荒的歷史跟族群 |
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另外包含話外之一我想這個聚焦在所謂的地下移工的醫生把整個所有的觸角也伸往所謂的東南亞跟邊緣的一個族群那麼從當年的不管是鑷子也好啦痞子英雄也好啦或者是到了最近我們看得到的我們與鱷的距離啦索女養成記啦還有倩儀的那一場婚禮 |
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那如果沒有這些預算的一個支持那我想其實這些戲劇我們也很難跟國際接軌也很難跟國際接軌那也很難讓台灣的故事有誕生的一個機會那我想在這裡其實我相信部長有很多話想說 |
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那至於說災難這二字有沒有被放大那麼有沒有被去脈絡化的解讀在這裡我給部長一個時間一點點時間您來解釋 您來說明 |
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好 謝謝郭委員我現在有兩個重點剛剛郭委員講到公共網播集團它的貢獻我上次在那個現場因為它是20週年我最近舉個例子說全台灣早期的電影當沒有電影的時候所有電影導演都是靠那個人生劇長是靠公共電視人生劇長才能夠活下來的公共電視的所有劇集剛剛郭委員講的所有劇集它每次創造一個劇集好像是天花板可是很快又變成樓梯板 |
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然后之后又创造一个天花板所以公共电视是公共媒体包括客家台台语台小公司它是台湾不可或缺的一个这个公共媒体第二在现场我讲话的时候我想郭伟是唯一听到我从头到尾的支持对不对 |
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因為那天只有我一位委員到場我剛才一再強調其實我帶著孩子因為那天是開放給兒童跟青少年大家可以去參觀的那天是歡天喜地的慶祝20週年我並沒有違背我前面7月2號 |
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針對立法委員跟我講的一些問題包括台灣Plus要不要怎麼改進文車院怎麼改進我全部還是承認啊而且我還不但承認而且我們這段晚宵一直在做那天的氣氛是我覺得我這些話可能有傷害到員工因為台灣Plus不管怎樣做你們還是很多人努力啊那個公共電視文車院它裡面還是很多人努力啊我覺得我的話也許傷到他們了我就道歉其實就講這麼簡單 |
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我講話的那個場合跟前因後果是有個脈絡的包括那個災難說也是一個脈絡我花90%的時間在解釋我如何面對那個問題 要怎麼改變然後台灣Private成立的時候怎麼混亂 結構有問題 類似這樣我其實原來的初衷都是一樣的啦 |
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7692.429 |
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好 那就像我剛剛所說的其實我們今天要談的這個報告包含Telon Plus那我想Telon Plus從籌備一直到營運然後一直到所謂的經歷了許多包含這個定位不清楚或者是主管頻頻換人那我想當然這個 |
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另外從中央社移交給公視診斷的一個波折那在制度跟歷史上的一個困境來講我們必須說這短短的幾年就是這五年當中其實他是對經營者來講是過程是非常辛苦的我想這個應該就是部長剛剛所說的其實這個過程的 |
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責難啦就是辛苦的一個地方其實是冷暖自知我相信這對許多在努力的每一個都在這樣子的一個公共議題上不管是節目當中的一些訪談的一個內容或者是內容產出其實這對於很多正在線上努力工作者來講有一些 |
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比較偏頗的一些批評其實真的對他們來講是沒有辦法承受之重但是我想我們今天其實也是要好我們還希望它更好不好的地方其實我們還是希望改進我想近期這個討論Plus再度成為所謂的這個社會的焦點我想應該不只是預算的一個討論而已而是這個平台如果沒有建立起來或者是它建立起來之後 |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
我們之後應該要怎麼樣讓它可以走得更穩讓它走得更長遠這個其實才是我們對它的一個期待啦那就像我剛剛說的文化的政策有時候它不是短短一年三年五年它可能要看的是未來的五年未來的一個十年在這裡我想請教一下部長喔因為我想呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7810.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
我們怎麼樣能夠來建立所謂的年度的一個追蹤跟滾動式的一個檢討的一個機制那不是只有focus在去年我怎麼樣或前面兩年我怎麼樣而是我們是不是也可以來建立比方說未來的五年我預計達到什麼樣的效果預計到十年我可以怎麼樣來看得到它最大的一個價值我們有沒有辦法來建立這個追蹤的機制跟制度 |
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| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
我覺得這個這個過程非常好而且最實際就是我們直接訂出KPI然後每一年我們要做什麼然後有沒有達到我覺得這點可能是最能夠檢驗文聖醫院也好台灣plus也好我覺得這個很好 |
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7826.118 |
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7854.518 |
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好 那我想這個部分我們可以趕快的就著手來進行可以嗎那我想就是許多的委員對於所謂的台灣Plus的一些爭議那麼不管是對於節目的內容或者是內容的定位的不清或者是方向的部分我想這個也是必須我們要承認還是必須有改進的一個空間那我想當然進步還要再更求進步那天其實我到了現場那其實台灣Plus我們其實也 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7855.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
請執行長講好 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7877.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7902.109 |
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向委員報告 湯恩普拉斯在這幾年其實成績很顯著我們在當然我們不會滿意因為我們也是持續接受各界的問責我們也是會持續精進我們在這幾年入圍或得獎國內外的獎項超過110座然後我們最近才剛得到SOC就是亞洲卓越新聞獎的肯定還有得到 |
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紐約電視電影節獎還有最重要的還有一個網路的奧斯卡獎 威比獎的一些肯定那另外我們在今年6月2號到5號直播 轉播 報導Computax 2026年的這個整個過程那也獲得跨媒體平台120萬點擊我們製作了112折的影音還有圖文 |
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那这些120万人里面呢前面三个国家进来看的主要是美国印度还有越南所以基本上透过这样子碎片化的一个时代还有演算法限制流量的情况之下其实我们很努力希望把台湾的一些内容向国际传播让国际上能看台湾在科技财经上的一些发展谢谢伙计好 |
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我想再請教一下那我想這個文化內容產業其實本來就是一個高風險他跟一般的產業是完全不一樣的這個其實我之前不斷的在提及喔他本來就是一個高風險那高投入但回收是非常長期的一個產業如果我們的政府有 |
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來投資所謂的公共的資源來支持文化的發展我想這是真的絕對有必要的任何國家都一樣那尤其是在台灣那但是呢我想從這個專案報告當中其實我們看到截至115年的3月底那我們的這個文化內容的投資已經核准了285件那也投資了投入了90.8億那帶動超過192億的一個民間的投資那其實這個 |
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投資報酬率其實是高的因為連民間它其實也相繼的得到這樣子的一個效應那當然也逐步的擴及到影視出版 音樂 設計還有數位內容等等不同的一個產業那我想我們文化部的對文化的投資不是單一的一個作品我們當然希望帶動的是整個台灣的影視文化工作的產業那這是最終極的一個目標但是其實我們要思考的是很多影視從業人員 |
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他們其實現在最大的一個挑戰面臨的一個挑戰因為我收到太多就是跟影視相關的對我的陳情他們其實收到最大的一個挑戰是認為現在不是只有拍出一部好的作品而已他們接下來很擔心的是如果一旦這部好的作品人真的到了最後大家殺青了 |
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我還有沒有第二部我還有沒有第三部我還能不能夠再把這些其實在這一部戲當中或這一部作品當中好的一些人才繼續留在我們的影視產業當中其實人才的留用是非常重要的這個部分我想請教一下文化部那從 |
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不管是新創的團體或者是到一些比較成熟的影視的公司我們有沒有一些可以比較具體的支持他們的一個策略來幫助他們持續成長 |
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是有的因為尤其是影視產業影視產業本身是最高風險而且最難預測所以他們的工作機會一定要在我們作為政府的角色一定是在人才培訓還有國際接軌 |
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讓技術提升然後更有競爭力然後輔導金非常重要那文成院也非常重要是因為它可以滾動更多的投資者讓這個整個文化創意產業的生態能夠維持因為不要忘記台灣曾經有差不多十年的時間是沒有電影的所以輔導金的角色文成院的角色是非常非常重要的我們會 |
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生氣的去檢討面面照顧到這些新創公司還有一些剛剛起步的個人這些人我想這個因為今天時間的關係我們沒有辦法把比較具體的一些政策或者是我們的規劃或者是計劃它不是專一的一個專案而已喔那我想這是非常長期的一個面向 |
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那我們之後其實應該會非常頻繁的就這一點我們來做交流那再次的還是要給部長鼓勵一下啦那我想文化非常的辛苦那尤其是所謂的這個公共的媒體那我想在經營上其實真的需要更多人的鼓勵在這裡還是給部長加油打氣好 以上謝謝謝謝好 請回座 |
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下一位陳培育委員謝謝主席有請那個王石思次長有請王石思次長因為現在是文策院兼任董事長來 謝謝 |
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我也好好 來 次長早安不像我針對之前很多委員或者是針對今天的標題其實我不想就個案來討論我其實比較想要回到文化內容投資的本質來看一些事情也想要跟次長請教好 來 第一個我覺得文化投資這個事情很多人認為我們文化投資就是只能考慮報酬率這件事情但是文化投資投影片下一張 |
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但是文化投資這件事情其實不應該只有這樣想我們看到相關的數字這幾年台灣非常喜歡說韓流韓流從小的時候我們在意的是日本的動漫日本的電影日劇到這幾年流行的是韓風那如果我們來看韓風呢因為文策院當時也是參考韓國的這個當時的這個辦公室所以所設立的我們來看一下韓國的文化輸出基本上在政府的大力支持 |
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底下現在幾乎是全球文化輸出的重要國家對嗎是好那我們來看韓國做過什麼樣的事情我們從2018年他們當時呢曾經母基金的虧損超過1000億韓元也就是大概20億台幣如果我們用一般的商業算法呢投資而評估的收益率其實是超過-27%是負的喔而這個呢相關的數字我們看到更誇張的是 |
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这个报道上面有写有高达1000名35亿韩元看起来在账面上是凭空缩水的也就是说韩国其实经验过这样的时代在大家以为现在韩流很成功的情况底下来下一张后来呢韩国的文体部他们就当时投资了一个很小很小名不见经传的一个新创公司就如同刚刚部长说的新创公司它叫做蓝洞公司 |
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蓝洞公司后来开发出绝地求生这个游戏到了2024年靠着这款线上游戏的成功让韩国的文体部成功地回收了高达2600亿的韩元资金相较于当初所投入的200亿韩元投资报酬率高达13.1倍 |
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而文体部的人就说了这一次的丰硕成果证实了Kconnect基金已经成为文化内容产业极为关键的资金活水证明了我们韩国人考量到内容产业是有少数明星级成功案例带动整体产业发展的特性所制定的投资策略已经成功发挥功效下一张 |
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那如果來看投資我們更廣大來看我們不要只有看文化投資文化部跟文村院其實可以做的是跟國人講清楚到底文化投資還會產生什麼效益這個是大家最在意的也就是除了本業本行跟本產業人士之外他會外擴到哪裡去還有誰會一起因此而發大財賺到錢 |
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当时韩国的大韩贸易投资战心公社就针对文化投资可以带来什么收益用了这张表格来做解释这是2020年的表格他说以一般的消费品来说每投资100美金在文化产业上可以带来412美元的效益可是如果是IT出口产品每投资100美金就会带来395美元的效应 |
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其他产品当然我就不再举例了但是IT也好文化也好是台湾这几年非常重要的投资产业这是一种量化的效应我相信大家可以理解可以接受来看下一张 |
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但是我覺得對於我們台灣人來說其實可能也不是只有台灣人對很多人來說到底把錢放在文化產業如果沒有辦法短期看到效益那到底為什麼要投資這件事情我會說如果我們可以透過附加價值率可以來評估文化產業它必須要擺脫過去的傳統產業也就是說我們不用一定有 |
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材料的输入我们不是只是追踪单一文化投资在不同生命周期所创造的效益我们还希望在意的是更多事情讲了这么多文化投资的本质我们来看一下韩国最新的报告 |
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上个礼拜我刚讲的是2020或是2008也好那回到现在韩流确实变成了一个世界趋势上个礼拜韩国文政院自己发布了一个韩流产业出口经济效益的报告书它里面所提到就是我刚讲的除了产业里面人赚大钱外溢出去也开始赚钱了它提到有两个指标刚部长说要成立指标也许我们可以来这样参考第一个是国内生产诱发效应第二个是就业的诱发效应 |
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文化投資它所能夠引發的國內生產誘發效應其實是非常的巨大假設今天政府投資的某一張專輯唱片公司為了做這個專輯他要做哪些事情次長我們小時候都是買過CD的人對不對甚至我們現在也會買黑膠唱片我會說為了做出一張CD |
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除了創作之外 除了錄音之外除了歌手的演唱之外例如我們要向印刷廠下單 要列印歌詞本 對不對像塑膠廠買這個CD盒跟光碟原料還有設計公司要幫我們做設計還有物流公司要付貨運費用還有行銷 甚至是到了去做節目所有一連串的經濟效益就發生了就產生了 就產業鏈會形成 對 |
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而这就是我们在单一投资上可能大家短时间所看不见但如果你明白整个产业的结构你就会知道你不能只看单一作品所以我会说如果要衡量一个文化投资的价值你只是看政府有没有回本这是一个非常非常表面的方法部长来自于出版产业我过去也是我在开书店的过去我不会说我第一天我的书就可以全部卖出去有些书他放在架上 |
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他是所谓的长销书他是所谓的经典书他可能不是三个月三个月一直出版的新书但是不代表他没有被看见的价值跟必要而对于一个我开书店的人来说我就算知道这本经典的长销书例如说最近刚过世的日本的一个非常重要的绘本画家叫林明子林明子的作品就是长销作品但是他可能后期没有什么新书了对于我来说林明子的书他就是一直要摆在架上 |
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那因此我也要說擺在架上不代表它可以每一個禮拜都被賣出去相較於例如說立刻上架的新書所以我要說文化投資這件事情真的不能只有看單一個案也不能只有看表面價值 |
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市長我想問你你兼任文策院董事長之後我必須要說我們看了文策院給我們的報告有提到100年到現在已經創造超過一萬三千個工作機會這是我們台灣的文策院自己做的很棒的進度我要說如果沒有文化部跟文策院在文化產業上的文化投資其實不會出現這些事情更何況 |
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台灣的文策運起步確實就是比韓國慢我們在面對大家鋪天蓋地的指責同時我還是要為文化投資回到本質這件事情為所有的文化創意產業工作者以及其外應效應的產業工作者說話想聽聽看次長你的意見非常謝謝委員非常專業深入的詢問基本上 |
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測驗在台灣整個文化內容裡面它的責任是總和性的包括要穩住整個文化內容生產的量要包括提升它的值包括人才技術的基礎 |
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等於是文化內容的基礎工程的培育包括國際市場的開拓尤其包括到現在其實整個全世界的收支習慣跟產制模式都在改變那如何在未來的文化內容的產制模式裡面殺出一條生路來所以我們整體在做投資評估的時候 |
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是总和性的评估包括他这个团队过去的时机包括他过去的市场的经验他的投报率是不是有国际合作的开发在产业面上他是不是能够带动运用台湾在地的技术人才那是不是有跟现在的串流平台做未来的这个授权的市场的接轨 |
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還有包括它是不是有跨域的規劃包括異業的合作商品的延展或者是這一支本來的原創IP的延伸那尤其它是不是台灣的原創IP像這樣子的總和性的評估才是我們對於投資的判斷我們對於投資的判斷並不單純來自於財務 |
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的只有這一項指標而且在財務的指標上我們的任務也並不是告訴他說所以你因為這個財務規劃不合理所以我們就不投資了而是鼓勵他透過調整透過我們的輔導協助把他的財報 |
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鍛煉成是一個在市場上可被信任的財務規劃然後才來繼續投資才能夠贏得市場的信任也才能夠達到在這個整體的產業鏈裡面達到一定的效益所以在整體的這個文化內容投資的責任上面當 |
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我们只用票房来看的时候有的时候是实质偏颇因为除了票房之外还有不太一样就是说票房我们看到是个票房的数字但是一支影片为什么我们会说我们没有办法提出完整的这个目前的所谓的损益很重要的事情是我们原则上在单片的这个投资结算都是三年或五年 |
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也就是說那個年還沒有到的時候我們是沒有辦法進行這個結算因為他會持續在不同的平台包括不同的國家做授權的交易那這些事情包括他如果有開發商品如果有線下的活動這些也都列為他的收益而我們的專案的投資他基本上就是所有的收入我都要進行分潤並不是只有 |
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一的票房投資所以在這類的總和性考量下使得我們在很短的時間內很難快速的把這些所有的原因說明清楚但是非常謝謝委員的理解我們也希望跟大院有更深入而廣泛的溝通讓大院更了解文策院的投資策略跟希望把台灣的文化內容產業鍛煉成一個有肌肉的有力量的能夠拓展國際的而且負責任的內容產業以上說明 |
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好 謝謝董事長跟次長的說明那我往下說我覺得確實未來當然還有可以精進的地方例如說我們在跟非常多第一線業者討論的時候來下一張我們就發現現在針對補助的部分可能有以上我列的這些 |
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而且韩国在国际有25个分部 |
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沒錯沒錯沒錯所以我想文社院剛剛其實郭玉琴委員也說了有沒有機會提供相關的KPI讓大家去想像一個好的投資或者是它在初期前期的投資文化投資的樣貌其實非常非常的多元來最後來 |
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下一張 再下一張好 最後我給文策院的建議就是第一個我們要擴大對文化投資的想像當然參考韓國的可能性可以但是如果我們文策院可以自己做一份報告也向國際的投資好朋友說為什麼應該要投資台灣的文化產業的報告我認為會讓潛在的國內外投資者會用更清晰明白的方法知道 |
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要不要投资台湾这些电影产业或者是其他的文化创意产业第二个我也希望文化部跟文策院可以合作参考韩国的做法演绎如何协助获得奖补助投资的案件他们有相关的发行行销宣传广告通路上架等等这些事情有没有机会在三个月内提供给我们相关的演绎报告 |
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可以沒有問題我想我們可以把我們現在其實我們針對國際有針對國際的延攬包括行銷跟投資的一些說題我們把它整理以後提供給委員好那最後我可不可以再講一個事情就好目前我們看到來下一張這兩天再下一張 |
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这两天有一位我们的好朋友过世了他叫做林荣基先生他是铜锣湾书店的店主那之前呢部长您到他的书店去参观的时候您有提到金铜下文学森林计划我们要问这个计划的后续那我们再看下一张台湾有一个非常重要的绘本阿公他叫做郑明静几乎是在我们小的时候他就开始做绘本推广 |
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那再下一張台灣有一位印刷界前輩他叫陳振雄他之前出版了一本書在講台灣的印刷史為什麼要把這些合在一起講不論是作家不論是印刷廠不論是書店其實整個文化出版產業裡面有很大一大塊 |
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過去是被文化部所忽略的我要說有許多垂垂老矣的前輩他們的故事值得被記錄下來我這邊就先快速想要拜託文化部來下一張可不可以開始研議把文化相關出版產業的從出版人到印刷到紙器到包裝到平面到包裝設計這些跟出版有關的事情 |
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如何彙整产业资料建构台湾出版还有指的产业史典藏记录相关平台后续我们办公室可不可以再跟文化部进行讨论来次长你先简单回应好吗不好意思还是请部长好我请部长回应是文化部好 |
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不是只有紙頁我指的是整個出版的一條龍是感謝那個委員剛剛的提醒整體來講台灣其實在用很多項目上是非常先進的包括這個編輯印刷曾經領先很多國家然後他們這些在做這些事情的人包括剛剛提到那個書店的老闆還有這些幕後印刷廠的確 |
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是台湾很珍贵的这个资产我想我们未来文化部会把我们的注意力转到他们身上然后做出一些整合这个部分我们办公室也会持续再跟文化部来找找你们来开会沟通好吗好谢谢谢谢主席谢谢部长谢谢市长谢谢好谢谢我们下一位吴佩奕委员 |
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謝謝主席 我請文化部部長有請部長吳委員你好部長 這個我是第一屆的立法委員嘛所以我在這個競選的時候我的選舉公報上面我有條政見就是要支持國家來提升文化預算部長你覺得我們現在國家的文化預算夠嗎其實我們預算雖然 |
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總統也有強調每一年都要增加現在我們大概還是沒有到總預算的1% |
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我們國家的一年的預算3兆350億但文化部的預算如果再加上基金的話大概是300億這就是連我們國家總體預算的1%都不到我自己是認為不夠我覺得我們還要再增加那麼我們文化部除了給予補助之外這個首先補助我們的補助 |
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有多少比例是給地方政府的文化補助我們給地方政府補助也給文化工作者補助嗎有多少比例是到地方政府會說他主要給地方政府的補助是拿來做些什麼事情部長可不可以簡略說明因為時間有限 |
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其实我们的费用里面编载地方补助的非常多包括最直接就是一些建筑的一些场馆的一些维修还有一些计划像我们曾经有过一个恢复那个那个建筑的那个地理恢复一个大大计划就是有一个我记得是一个 |
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我們投資了非常多的經費在每一個縣市的重建台灣歷史的那個場景那 |
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另外還有很多費用是投資在各種表演團體、藝術都會向文化部來申請那其實文化部的所有錢其實都是投資在每個縣市嘛這個文化補助我要拜託文化部可以持續的來支持和給地方政府因為我的選區在台北市那我們台北市是全台灣文資的數量最多的一個縣市 |
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所以每一年我們都跟文化部文資局來申請這個古蹟修繕的補助目前這5年謝謝文化部補助給台北市政府超過了6億元那我的選區正好在中正區右前台北市古蹟最多但這個真的很重要 |
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不要說因為《財化法》台北市錢也多了我還是希望說文化部要持續來支持但是今天我們還要討論的是文化部除了補助之外我們來成立這個行政法人文策院用投資的手段 這個政策工具來去支持台灣的文化內容產業包括了影視音 漫畫 插畫其他等等的這些內容產業 |
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主要的用意是什麼呢我們為什麼在補助之外另外還有投資這樣的手段我們原來是在全世界成立這種一個由國家有政策的投資這個單位其實我們算是晚了2019年才成立但是如果沒有國家這樣一個單位的話台灣很多文化產業他是無法靠 |
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他自己的這個原來的那個能量生存然後文青還有更大的目的是幫整個文化產業做整合還有滾動民間的資金所以我們的KPI裡面有一項就是我們到底從民間找到多少資金一起來投文化產業那這個非常重要因為它是一個比較永久性的一個投資 |
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對 這個我們文策院使用這個國發基金它的法源是產創條例那麼國發基金的產創條例其實它本身這法源的依據法律的內容在要求的就是這個國家花錢是要去達到我們的政策效果跟同時提升整個產業的發展所以呢 在這個初期的時候 |
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它本來就不以保本跟獲利為唯一目標獲利也是我們的目標長期而言但是短期的獲利不是我們唯一的目標這是我們國家在投資產業不是只有你們文化產業啦投資產業的時候這個我們基本的這個宗旨 |
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例如說我們這個台積電在1985年1987年成立的初期當時是工研院政府投入了很多的資金當時社會很多人在爭議啊說當時大家想像不到說未來這個IC產業是一個獨立設計的產業甚至想像不到後來會有整個經營人代工的這個產業在台灣發生產生這麼重要的這個產業工業當時大家想像不到很多人在質疑啊政府為什麼這個錢要給這個台積電為什麼要給半導體 |
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為什麼要給IC設計當時也在質疑但是後來證明我們當時的這個投入是值得的形成我們台灣現在完全不可取代我們的一個實力那麼韓國的這個文化產業大家常常在羨慕韓國其實韓國人 |
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也是1994年政府開始來去有系統有制度來去投資跟支持10年的時間而已影視音各項產業的整個獲利都是幾十倍的在翻倍的光是以流行音樂來講2000年的時候他們韓國的獲利是800萬美元到2011年的時候翻了20倍超過了1億將近2億的美元所以這個 |
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都不是一觸可及的時間今天我要拜託部長以及文策院的事其實我多次跟你們提醒在文策院的投資裡面目前對流行音樂產業的投資比例真的還是太少 |
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以我們的文創第一二期你100年到114年這個投資比例來講這個影視加起來是58%將近的六成但是關於流行音樂你們的投資比例8% |
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百分之八而已部長難道不能再高了嗎連一成都不到那麼你的文化內容投資計畫107年之後你集中投資項目的情況又更明顯了你影視加起來近七成啊部長百分之六十八影視其實需要大資本這個我可以理解但是呢像你對流行音樂的這個投資我剛剛講這107年後的已經降到了不到5% |
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4.36而已真的非常低然后对于出版业的这个投资1%而已这个是否要这么样的集中或是你们其他针对其他的这个内容产业是不是可以来提升投资这个我希望文成院可以有一个整体对整体产业发展较均衡的评估 |
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那麼我也要就是拜託部長因為我之前也跟你提過就我很喜歡的一個韓團BTS防彈少年團他這個隊長RM他在去年的APEC高峰會上面還有一個演講嘛因為台鄉座都是各國政府的這個總統總理各國的領袖們所以他當面也就拜託了 |
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他說希望因為防彈少年團它是一個全球性的現象所以他的粉絲還有聽眾是世界各國都有所以他也特別拜託各國的領袖就是說請你們當你們在投資下一個世代的時候 |
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不只投資經濟拜託你們也要投資文化那麼要拜託所有政府所有握有這些權利的人請你們可不可以來幫助創作者怎麼幫助呢請給他們資金 |
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讓他們的創造力得以綻放所以我想這個投資跟支持還是很重要的部長所以未來我們的文化部文成員在政策的方向上面我們要如何的持續給予台灣的文化創作者支持呢可不可以請部長簡略的講一下 |
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其實剛剛委員講的很對我們過去對於音樂方面在文哲院可能投資的比較少但是在輔導金方面我們也因為有音樂的那個長期的輔導所以我們也產生了很多後來很優秀的樂團譬如落日飛車還有草東沒有派對等等 |
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他都是靠十年以上的累積十年以前他可能完全沒有資金在從事音樂創作製作我們就給了他一筆大概幾十萬的一個資金所以在輔導金這邊我們是有在做但是我們整個文策院去投資一家公司或者看中一個基金來去從事這個音樂投資我想是比較少那未來我想我們就是文策院來 |
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這個就是把台灣的這些表演內容創作可能推到國際的市場這個我想非常重要所以我也這個也要給文化部的肯定啦因為我們跟影視局有合作一個台灣音樂海外品牌台灣Beats這個計畫我覺得這很重要 |
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那麼像今年三月的時候我們也帶團嘛像山姆啊他們都到美國奧斯汀去表演這計畫持續要進行但最後一點我要提醒部長的是我們文創院重要的政策使命要帶動民間投資所以你們現在有一個ESG這個影響力就是希望企業可以進來一起投資嘛不過我看了一下就是在我們文創法修法之後照理說我們現在給企業如果你投資文創的話底稅可以更優惠但是我們企業響應的這個成效 |
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例如說你113年來申請的件數幾件不到50件42件通過的呢只有27件114年去年48件來申請通過的不到一半所以呢好不容易有醫院來申請卻又沒有通過這個是什麼樣的問題我們能夠加強輔導然後有一些企業有時候我跟他們聊起來他們都還不知道說我們現在已經修法通過了這個租稅的優惠抵免了 |
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希望你們可以第一個加強宣傳 第二個加強輔導我們在帶動民間投資上面 務必要來加強努力 好不好要拜託部長 各位策略好 謝謝主席好 謝謝 請回有請羅志祥委員代理召委請羅廷偉委員進行詢問 |
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好謝謝主席有請部長有請部長辛苦了是部長辛苦了部長您日前在立法院我們還是要來談論這件事情那直言台灣plus是災難那事後卻表示當時的道歉只是為了保住預算甚至說出叫我說什麼都可以這樣子的一個言論我要提醒部長 |
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文化部的預算不是文化部的錢是民眾每天辛苦工作納稅文化部才可以有這些資源可以運用所以當許多家庭日常的開銷都要精打細算的時候我們更希望部長不應該用為了保住預算叫我說什麼都可以的輕輕帶過 |
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這不是幽默而是對納稅人來說是一種傲慢也讓人民會質疑部長在立法院所說的道歉跟承諾究竟有多少是真的是真心的又有多少是為了讓預算過關所以在這個部分上我還是希望你一定要稍微謹言慎行一定要注意你所代表的不只是你自己個人的發言是整個政府機關是整個部門這部分你要不要回應一下 |
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謝謝指教因為在語言方面我覺得因為身份的改變我的確需要在一些描述跟形容詞要稍微收斂而且要修正比較屬於我自己原來身份的但是我心裡面想的還是非常急切的想到文策院跟台灣plus所面臨的一些問題我內心非常急切想要面對它的改變但是又覺得對 |
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很多員工他們那麼努力做我因為語言上對他們好像有一點有一點點好像讓他們覺得很委屈我想其實但是我的初衷都是一直強調這兩個單位對台灣的文化來講對台灣的對外發聲來講是非常重要的這樣子齁我來說一件事情不是因為你說它是災難就否定掉所有同仁工作的辛勞 |
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或許同仁在工作是非常勤奮是非常積極非常認真的但是會不會有可能是因為策略上政策上或者是我們在想像上有落差所以導致我們的同仁這麼認真卻沒有得到應有的成果有可能啊所以批評的不一定是把同仁也帶進去這個我們可以為同仁講話沒有問題 |
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但是作為在野黨我們要監督的是我們的政策為什麼沒有辦法花了錢所達到我們要的效果沒有把台灣中華民國行銷出去啊所以再給你一次機會部長心直口快沒有關係那你好好再想一下台灣plus你要怎麼形容他 |
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就是在疫情发生的时候我们觉得台湾明明可以台湾help但是我们偏偏是台湾cannot speak up就是觉得早晚应该要有这个 |
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機構的情況下我們終於把它成立這個概念沒有錯 意義是良善可是因為我一直強調那個結構到底要怎麼樣有人才錢花了將近百億結果沒有辦法拿做好所以我說用形容詞形容台灣Plus你怎麼形容它是一個非常艱困的在國際打壓之下成立了一個國際媒體然後一路走到現在逐漸走上一個正確的道路 |
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好我想你開始在寫文章了這不是我要的形容詞但沒關係但我想就先進入主題我們來探討一下 |
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今天文化部在報告中台灣PLUS累積觀看人數達到4.7億觀看時數達1.129萬小時追蹤人數達173萬人其中海外觀看的民眾超過9成我先來釐清一下這相關的數據來 這三項數據統計的期間是否完全相同分別涵蓋了哪些平台 |
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是否包含短影音自動播放重複觀看不同觀看的觀看數字又是依照什麼樣的標準來加總可不可以回答我賀瓷信長回答請說謝謝 |
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統計時間是否相同 請問統計時間會有一些不一樣 可是它是使用統計的是YTFP IGX這些頻道好 還有包括X嘛 來所以就包括有裡面有短影音有短影音對不對 有長影音有自動播放或重複觀看嗎 有沒有算在一起 |
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自動播放跟重複觀看這部分我們必須要看後台來部長什麼叫做自動播放我不太知道他的這個意思來自動播放有沒有可能是我在看第一篇短影音的時候我看完了他自己會往下 |
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那我說明一下正常有一些流量的演算法是有這樣子的機制喔剛好就瀏覽到了是台灣plus的項目喔對謝謝委員的關切齁這個都是在用戶的行為如果說他有那個自動播放的那個實用的打開所以他就會自動播放好謝謝你回答 |
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部長這個很重要這是今天假設我經過第一家店面我順便走過第二家店面你告訴我說這人潮量很大人家是經過而已重點在什麼有沒有在你的平台的這一個內容 |
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停月停止他的滑動越覽你的文化內容超過三秒以上這是要再看後台的呢再來重複觀看如果萬一我滑到了台灣帕斯我去上個廁所回來他看了20次了因為短影音嘛可能30秒50秒嘛他上個廁所 |
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回來以後這個自動觀看重複觀看有沒有記在裡面這個我們也要看你們的後台所以今天不是單單只給我4.7億次就這樣子就算了咧再來4.7億次的觀看有多少是我剛剛講的是主動搜尋主動觀看自動產生的瀏覽率這個部分請執行長回答 |
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跟委員報告我們以那個Talentalks為例他的那engagement可以就是互動的留言可以到有的時候可以到上千則然後他的那個回訪率可以超過七成所以這些在YT上都可以看得到沒有我說自動搜尋這個部分自動搜尋這個部分我們要在所以你後台還要準備數字嗎來我再問你啊執行長有多少是付費 |
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行銷這一篇內容給大家來點閱的是自動生成讓大家來的瀏覽率還是你付費生成出來的瀏覽率請說跟委員報告我們主要都是自然流量好那你後台所有所提供的相關付費的這一個廣告內容可不可以給我們知道一下 |
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我們實際看一下你有沒有真的付費嘛好不好是可以吧是我們事後提供資料給委員謝謝好這個兩天內提供後台數據包括我剛剛講的他有沒有停止他的滑動閱覽你的內容超過三秒包括你有沒有投放廣告這些數據可不可以給我 |
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好我們兩天內提兩天內好來文化部及台灣plus每年投入多少廣告跟行銷費用這個部分我想要知道一下那你剛剛說是完全自然流程的好不好那我要了解其中歸到底是可歸功於是付費生成的關關次數還是自然生成的我要了解那平均取得的一個成本呢後續我再看到你們的資料來做一個定義 |
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總之看這個觀光的觀看人數的數字能不能直接產生等同於真正的國際影響力之前監察院的調查報告也指出請部長請回部長請回到你的質詢位謝謝 |
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亞洲跟美洲的觀眾佔比超過88%受眾分佈於高度集中在拓展全球市場提升台灣國際能見度的政策目標仍有落差 |
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這個部分第二目前主要以觀看次數跟觀看時數呈現的成果卻未進一步分析觀眾的停留時間互動情形回訪率以及不同地區的內容編號難以判斷國際觀眾是否真正來了解台灣這是監察院的資料不是我講的喔來新聞 |
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編採決策極限我們在少數主管跨團隊團隊選題標準缺乏共識國內以及國際的新聞判斷也存在著誤差甚至曾發生新聞焦點失準的情形影響台灣plus的專業形象跟公信力這部分我要請問文化部目前改善了多少 |
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我是不是請執行長回答這個新聞方面報告委員監察院的報告的意見我們都已經逐步改善然後我們現在的員工外籍員工跟本國員工的比例本國72%然後外籍28% |
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那我们在整个播报19位播报人员里面超过11位都是本国籍的对不起我刚刚没有问你你的员工是不是本国籍对那他这就会我刚刚在讲是亚洲跟美洲观众群战超 |
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比超过是88%我们是以印太为主我们目前是先以印太市场为主所以我们在区域上亚洲占了55%然后美洲占了34%左右那欧洲占了6%左右大洋洲占3%左右所以我们是 |
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逐步在擴圈希望逐步增加影響力我希望你的擴圈能達到實際的效果啦這個數字看起來還是慘不忍睹啦跟實際檢察院所提出的數據還是一樣嘛亞洲跟美洲的觀眾佔比超過是88%嘛所以這部分你要檢討嘛是不是這佔比比例不對嘛 |
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要影響的是更加能夠讓台灣國際能見度被提高所以我還是要講不同國家跟地區的觀眾對於哪些內容真正有興趣你們要去分配實際在節目的製作的預算要分配更好而不要說只是在現有的階段沒有實際將他們拓展出去這部分你有沒有收到監察院實際的一個檢討 |
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我們有收到報告然後我希望你們就他們的這個報告好好的檢討好不好不要給了錢監察院說你們要改進不是現在只有我在質詢而已但你們真的應該要好好改進了拿了錢就把它收到檢討報告好好的去做預算的分配透過不同地區的觀眾來讓他們了解他們喜歡什麼來投放不同的一些文化內容好不好 |
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是 謝謝委員 這也是我們努力的方向 謝謝我想文化部有沒有進行對於整個受眾的調查了解國際觀眾觀看台灣Plus之後究竟記住了台灣什麼對台灣有什麼認識有什麼關注 有什麼理解有沒有實質的提升你們有沒有去觀察或者是去調查受眾得到了什麼 |
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我們每一年都有做滿意度調查我們去年的滿意度調查是83分那我們分量化跟質化的調查方式總共所得到的數據有多少份 |
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我們今年希望希望在量化調查部分可以到300個樣本300個樣本來你不要說今年你說往年得到83分回答我83分這一個樣態你調查了幾份再回答我一次 |
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去年是你要講實際數據喔不要灌水喔你是跟我講說今年準備要300份喔往年幾份今年我們會做300份是我說之前的你不要跟我講今年的去年去年是200份左右不過我要再確認再跟委員報告200份達到83分 |
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這個我隨便丟一個臉書都可以得到兩百份的一個數據調查你才台灣plus花了數十億人民的血汗錢你跟我講你做兩百份的一個數據調查跟委員報告我們另外有質化調查是會做深度訪談來部長部長部長兩百份會不會太少我們做民調基本上都一千零六十多了結果你現在兩百份 |
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部長 兩百份會不會太少他可能是因為全球調查所以那個樣品取得比較困難 當然是比較少啦一定比較少 所以你才會說你要三百份嘛但兩百份你敢跟我講說只有有八十三分的一個民意這我沒辦法接受啦這個部分國人看到也都覺得這樣不對啦所以我在想 你一直跟我講說今年要做三百份 |
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我就覺得有貓膩啊原來往年才做200多份所以我希望監察院的調查我們都希望今天從文化部的報告我是看不出來有實際的具體改善 |
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所以我也希望你們真的不要只是虛心檢討監察院對你們的一些建議而是真正能夠化為落成新的政策來真的實際改善所以因此我要求文化部要提出更完整的績效報告給我們包括各項數據統計口徑我們要相關流量 |
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這個我也要知道你們剛剛只有滿意度調查有沒有 |
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對我們台灣認知的變化調查這個部分我也希望你們事後能夠提供文化部不能夠只拿累積觀看數字來做一個交差了事喔台灣Plus不是證明影片被看見而是要證明投入了大量公共資源人民的納稅錢之後台灣真的被國際觀眾給認同被國際觀眾給理解被國際的觀眾給關注 |
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這個是我們在乎的事情部長您認同嗎 |
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我覺得委員本身對那個網路流量這些後台我覺得非常熟悉我非常感謝你的剛剛講的那些意見我覺得他們本來就需要一些像立法院、監察院的一些指教我們會努力但是我剛才講努力是真的就是我們會我相信你會努力會把這些東西整理出來但是我要告訴你你要照這些具體的科學數字去方向去邁進好不好好 |
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好部長談到公共資源文化部在今天的書面報告16頁有提到將持續投入更多的公共資源協助文化設施來升級並讓公共資源的運用達到更大的效益文化部有五大文創園區部長應該講得出來是哪五大吧 |
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講得出來啊好我不考你喔今天我想請問部長關心我們台中的文資園區這個園區的前身是台中的舊酒廠鄰近台中火車站擁有完整的產業遺址還有相當大的園區空間本來就應該要據為我們成為中部地區最重要的文化地標的條件文化資產局目前也設置在園區內今天 |
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我們楊瓊英委員也在現場他也很關注台中文化的發展特別在這邊陪同我我們一起來關注文化酒廠也就是我們現在的台中文資園區現在台中市民來說我們看到台北的華山文創 |
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大家知道裡面有展覽表演電影品牌活動假日市集反觀台中文資園區雖然也有展覽有活動但是整體的品牌辨識度活動的密度民眾日常使用的程度我認為差很大 |
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這個部分華山透過民間的參與模式引進了專業團隊長期的營運建立了穩定的策展招商 品牌 活動量能台中文資園區呢我覺得則是文化部五大園區唯一唯一唯一是唯一採公辦公營由文化資產局直接管理我認為少了一些更多的彈性 |
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我不是否定現在的我們文化資產局他們的經營但是我認為現在的文資局他們的專業就讓他們自己處理但是是不是在經由管理的部分經營的部分能夠交給民營來幫忙這部分你怎麼說 |
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剛剛提到不同的文創園區有不同的發展然後我必須承認我們在講一個文創園區的時候它也涵蓋四周的一些狀態會造成它文創園區的人潮包括剛剛提到 |
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松菸是因為有大巨蛋有鐵箔然後華山是因為它經營了好幾年以後它有電影院還有餐廳那我一直覺得台中這個文資這個園區非常非常重要是因為它坐落在整個台中的舊城區 |
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在这个旧城区里面有非常多文化部所投资的像国家漫画馆等等还有国家美术馆等等我认为我们的规划应该是整体的把这个旧城区来整理至于刚刚提到说要不要开放给民间来经营我想这是我们再来讨论一下 |
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部長我知道文化部對於台中文資源區的定位是以文化資產為主文創為輔但我認為文化資產跟文創並不應該這樣子他們沒有互相排斥啊 |
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所以應該反而要透過設計展演數位科技以及餐飲地方品牌讓文化資產能夠被看到啊所以我不希望說他們這樣子的一個設計讓人流沒有辦法提升反而文化資產沒有被看到 |
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你剛剛都講了我對於整個科技的數位平台的後台很了解這個部分你不太了解嗎我們可能有年齡的差距對吧早上柯之恩跟葛如君分別提出了你的作品一個是1975年一個是2016年他們也有一些年齡上的差距知識上的落差嘛對不對那 |
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公务人员跟民间人他们也有所谓的不管是年龄上的落差认知上的落差或者是他们本身对于专业上的落差我还是再次强调文职局的同仁很认真没有问题但是有些事情是不是能够也分流让其他人来处理 |
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讓專業的民間經營單位來幫忙協助第一又可以減輕文資局同仁的一些業務第二又可以帶入更多的一些創意更加的一些行銷經營來讓這部分能夠活絡這部分你到底可不可以考量一下 |
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可以 因為丹蘇這個文創園區 剛剛你講得非常好就是文資局跟文創園區它本身並不是互相抵制的互相抵制 因為這個台中這個酒廠它的特色就是文資那全世界國際人士對台灣的文資還有民眾對台灣的文資保存那個注意越來越高所以我很希望把這個文資園區是以文資為主但是 |
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不用去想到文資就沒有人沒有人流包括我們的策展文資一定會有一些人流啦策展的內容策展的內容可以再帶動更多的策展內容活動人潮來看到文資嘛所以我今天我認為文化 |
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文資園區目前缺少是一個長期完整的策略我們因為臨近到台中火車站國漫館舊城區相關的文化景點所以它具備文化廊帶一個非常好的條件文化部應該整合整個場館活動參觀動線並導入更專業聚談性的廠商讓整個策展場館的管理機制提升園區還有文化廊帶 |
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被整個國人看到來到台中文資源區所以我希望在整合這些狼袋的時候有更好的動線更好的內容更好的一些平台所以我要拜託部長你能不能針對台中文資源區就現有的空間使用情形活動規劃營運機制進行完整的盤點並評估專業的策展合作 |
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來做公司協力或選擇部分的場域事辦營運可不可以回答一下好 其實不瞞您說我們昨天下午我還開了一個會討論這個話題因為我本身在我的文化政策裡面這樣子一個大範圍的文化版圖一直是我本身很想下一步要做的所以我想我會努力來我們就再針對您剛才提到那幾個可能性我很快地做出討論 |
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復興路上文資源區的正面旁邊有一個很大型的一個活動空間以前是方舟在做Live House到現在已經停擺了已經沒有使用好幾年了這麼好的一個空間為什麼沒有新的廠商進駐是你們的空間太 |
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嚴苛條件還是大家覺得這裡沒有發展的空間不願意來這部分我也希望文資源區好好的檢討我再次強調同仁很認真但是策略可以檢討好不好 |
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策略檢討了同仁的認真可以更被看見文資局的同仁非常非常認真那剛剛講到是一個大的方向怎麼規劃我想我會再進一步我們再繼續討論而且讓他做出一個具體的結論好嗎 |
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好那最後一題我要跟部長再次特別提醒我們在113年去考察國家漫畫博物館文化部當時有說因東側園區多為木造歷史的建築無法設置專業的典藏庫房所以因此暫時由台史館還有國美館來協助典藏 |
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無法設置專業的典藏庫房只好這樣子來處理待北側興建的主館完成後再建置完整的典藏研究空間文化部當時預計興館要在2029年完成本席想請問一下 |
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國漫館所掌握的漫畫文物典藏總數目前有多少?包含哪些類型?是漫畫原稿出版品還有圖書資料還有其他的史料嗎? |
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這都有 但是量我沒有辦法回答因為文化部目前113年度政績施政的報告國漫館漫畫文物典藏累積15000多件114年度報告則提到有5680件的藏品寄存在我們國美館典藏那其餘9000多件是放在台思館嗎 |
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是嗎 部長台灣歷史博物館有好 那另外呢審計部113年度啊中央政府總預算審核報告指出喔國漫館原規劃113年度的收藏漫畫史料文物圖書史料1200件最後卻因尚未訂定典藏的政策啊 |
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典藏委員設置規章典藏的管理作業要點加上沒有典藏的庫房113年度未辦理收藏的作業不立後續典藏作業的推行所以文化部在114年度的施政報告也有提到訂定國漫館籌備漫畫文物收藏的相關要點事項我們要了解今天文化部是否已經完成了審計部的要求請回答 |
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我想我們籌備處成立之後同時開始進行到一些活動展覽但是同時在剛剛講到漫畫文物收藏這些相關的這個這個器物是同時進行那我人力的確不是很夠所以沒有完成什麼時候要完成什麼時候完成我看我們的我再來問一下人力給時間我想我們在台各位回答漫畫的 |
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目前因為剛剛提到的那個要點已經正在著手了正在著手了嗎什麼時候要完成來這個部分因為是漫畫博物館主責那我們這個部分來請他們儘快就是審計部的要求到現在都還沒有部長三個月可不可以 |
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請回答我想因為漫畫館國家漫畫館面臨的包括新的館怎麼蓋然後再從配數已經開始經營了這個問題蠻多的我想我們來調整整理一下所以三個月可以嗎可以我們典藏的這些史料是我們都需要好好的歸類沒有錯所以不能夠再拖了審計部都在講了三個月內好嗎好我想審計部也同時指出文化部原本的興建主管 |
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這個場館的配置當中展覽的空間只有5.71%典藏的空間9.45%相較之下公共服務其他空間佔27.62%停車場也佔27.29%請問部長公共服務及其他空間具體包括哪些有什麼用途為什麼一座國家級的博物館展覽空間典藏空間看起來如此被壓縮為什麼 |
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當初我覺得我們我自己來到文化部之後發現我們的很多餐館的點餐空間都不夠所以當初蓋這個的時候這個新館本身有很多功能都要對嘛所以展覽空間5.71點餐空間9.45這樣子就是壓縮到了他們的一些展覽空間嘛是不是要檢討 |
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就我所知文化部的修正計畫已經從114年6月獲得行政院的同意耶新建築場館的規劃設計建造案114年10月已經公開招標想請問修正後的展覽、典藏、研究、教育、公共服務空間有變動嗎? |
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這個部分我不是很清楚會後提供資料我也希望你們關注啦因為我現在已經提出了嘛原有的展覽空間5.7點餐空間只有9.45就是壓縮到了嘛所以國漫館目前已經辦理持續的展覽逐步累積民眾的關注我的選區也有許多的民眾肯定國漫館但國漫館要真正成為國家級的博物館不只要好的展覽更具備完整的點餐這空間不能被壓縮研究跟保存能力請 |
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更積極國慢館已經籌備住這麼久什麼時候才能籌備完成我也希望文化部要多努力國慢館未來的營運要更加加油完整穩健來處理這部分三個月內典藏的部分要給我處理好嗎好謝謝那剛剛展覽空間這個部分你也事後聊幾下回應我具體的數字我不希望整個壓縮空間好不好好謝謝 |
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讓我們請楊瓊英委員進行詢問謝謝主席 請邀請部長有請部長 |
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蔣委員你好 |
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這個翻譯國際書展國際影展等這些政策我們的目的就是希望讓台灣被世界看到但是我們要反問的也就是說投入了那麼多錢到底世界看見了多少台灣請做說明 |
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世界看到多少台灣是隨著台灣本身最近的那個因為科技方面使得台灣的知名度跟著很高那我們文化部其實在文化外交上面這兩三年是非常努力的做非常多大型的去配合當時在世界某個地方有很大型的活動比如說奧運巴黎奧運或者在日本有 |
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博覽會大阪世博博覽會我們就有他們很大的影響力的活動我們投資了一筆錢在那邊做表演所以您剛才講說不只是曝光還有到底我們產生多少影響力那就回到我們在選擇上面我們到底要推哪一些表演團體我們要出什麼書我們要什麼電影 |
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那到底對世界上有什麼影響力它的確是一個我們文化不在選擇上要確定我們要選擇哪一類的文化展演藝術到國外去但是我個人覺得這個影響力越來越大譬如說我們想都沒辦法想像台灣的文學可以在這個時候得到 |
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全世界最大的獎像楊雙子的這個台灣漫遊路得到這個國際撲克獎他已經接近諾貝爾獎了所以當我們的台灣的文化快速的往前走的時候甚至於我們政府的政策都要趕快的修正因為他走得比我們想像中還快所以這幾年我覺得在文化政策上面不斷的累積到這現在 |
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大家所看到的台灣的文化的確會成為一個國際上比較重視的一個現象 謝謝給您將近一分半的時間來說明因為大家都在問到底我們目前文化部所投下的這些錢你直接把本席的這個提問作為你的答案也就是說到底我們在世界上我們的影響力是多大 |
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當然剛剛你也提到也看到面向不管是AI你搭上的這一個不知道你搭上的成效到底是如何你也看到運動賽事你搭上但是在我們文化部本身的本質上面到底我們的國際傳播有多少成效 |
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你的文化內容投資是不是真正的有效能在整個公共資源的補助你是不是公平透明這是民眾所需要知道的也請你再說明因為你剛剛也特別說到在你的取決方向的時候到底要怎麼樣這是關鍵請說明 |
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早期我自己因為我自己經歷了很長一段台灣對於文化的重視比如對電影對文學對表演其實早期台灣是對文化是有點誤會的他是必須要你告訴我現在你以文化部長的身份你要怎麼去推動 |
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剛才委員提了很多方向包括提到文策院提到文化A槽提到以聲音補助出版翻譯其實這每一件的計畫都經過了大概十年以上的累積那每一次的累積都會成為一個讓國際上看到更清楚的 |
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你说是十年的累积我们就继续来看文化部每一年编列了不少的国际传播预算包括台湾Plus文策院国际市场的一个拓宽国际出版翻译国际影展等那请教部长你如何在你文化部的立场你是如何去衡量这个成效请问是活动的场次是新闻的偏速是点阅率还是提升台湾文化的一个品质请做说明 |
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如果用KPI來看的話我覺得它不完全是我們推出了多少翻譯的書我們推出去參加多少影展我們不是用這個來看我們真的是要創造一個讓國際講到台灣台灣文化是什麼它的主體性是什麼 |
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要創造這樣子一個國際的印象還好你的回答不是只有這些不是只有辦活動不是只有剪影片不是只有買廣告它不代表真正的讓國際的人能夠認識台灣這是你的回答也是我要本席要跟你在討論的那所以你要建立怎麼樣的一個機制 |
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你是國際品牌的知名度海外觀眾的成長率海外授權的收入國際合作案國際媒體引用率的一個量化指標是不是還是只有預算的執行不是預算的執行那是不是剛才本席所說的我來文化部之後我最不贊成就是把預算把它 |
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花掉然後沒有看到結果我希望文化產業它是彼此相關的它是相當跨領域的所以我很希望我們部門的每一筆預算都可以跟其他部門做某種結合比如說你的影視計畫可能要跟公共廣播集團合作 |
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你的其他的出版漫畫要跟文車園合作它是一個合作起來一起向國際推廣的就像文學它也不可能是一個人文出版社它是一個合作所以因此你的量化指標更要讓民眾清楚啊更要讓民眾清楚所以你要讓民眾在搜尋的時候他非常的清楚到底我們投入的這些錢到底我們的影響度是怎麼樣啊因為世界接軌 |
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不只是台灣我們自己走向國際的國家世界各國也會進到台灣你要必須要有這些的量化的一個指標讓人民可以很清楚的知道 |
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这才是人民要的投资了这么多钱到底我们的影响度到底是怎么样所以因此我应该建议你除了量化的指标让人民搜寻会非常清楚之外你更应该要建立的一个是什么呢IP的授权国际发行在平台合作以及海外收益的部分那你必须要去做一个整合的工作啊 |
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這才是你在國際能見度要怎麼樣讓我們的文化的內容在你選項之後你可以真正的發展到世界各國區啊它才有影響度它不是只有能見度啊它也不是只有按讚率是多少 |
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我們要的是它的影響度到底是多少到底是什麼這個才是人民納稅錢投資的那麼多在你文化部可以告訴民眾你在國際的影響度是怎麼樣啊因為文化是一個非常堅強的一個外交實力對不對 |
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今天8月1號我們在空軍總部那個地方我們終於整個大致修完了我們8月1號就開始有一個文化博覽會在文化博覽會裡面的所有展出就是剛剛委員講到的IP也好 動畫也好 VR也好 書籍也好 |
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你可以看到我们台湾经过这么长的一段累积它怎么样完成了一个文化创意产业的一个那个面貌我希望委员8月1号之后找个时间来看看我们的所以资源的一个公平性是非常重要所以本席要请教你捕捉案件之后你有多少是真正完成海外上映海外出版海外售出国际串流的平台呢这个合作 |
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你有沒有完善的一個追蹤啊剛剛委員講的每一個項目都在我們每一個部門清清楚楚的有一個數字比如說你剛才講有多少的書翻譯出去然後每一本書有幾個國家翻譯天意把這些數字提供給本勤因為 |
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這也影響到你到底要怎麼補助你要判斷你是繼續補助還是一次性的補助這關鍵到資源分配的一個問題所以請你把書面資料給本席那當然外界也有這個聲音也就是怕你只有去投資給補助給特定的團體或者是特定的項目那所以呢你要如何的去 |
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確保你在補助的方面沒有形成資源的一個集中比如說大型的團隊中小型的創作青年創作者或者是我們地方團體能夠取得政府的資源的一個比例請回答 |
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剛剛委員講了幾個關鍵其實就是我們文化部目前很努力的想要把人民的納稅的錢放在最對的地方所以剛剛委員有一件事情大概一直覺得我們的擺放就是說過度集中在某一個項目或者有特定的人我可以跟委員保證其實我本身在沒有來這邊工作之前我就是文化部很多項目的評審其實台灣走到民主社會以後 |
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非常難得的現在我們政府機構所有的補助的評審我們政府都不能干預這個我可以保證也就是我們做到行政中立行政中立非常重要的一點就是讓民間真正的專業人士走進政府部門替他選擇替他選擇哪一些是好的哪些是值得投資的政府部門不會去手伸進去那你當你把這一切交給專業之後他就會越做越好 |
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就會看到更好的微卻作品更好的電影然後更好的表演團體我們在過程中如果不公平的話它就越做越差好 部長就你這一句也就是不是我個人的意見如何是坊間有這個疑慮 |
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那你剛剛所說的一定要達到你的落實動作所以因為我們要讓世界看見台灣文化的內容創造整個產業的一個價值公共資源公平的一個透明並且把每一分的預算都能夠讓全民來檢視這也是文化部所必須要做的所以我們希望要努力之那麼同時剛剛所要的這個相關的資料也請技術的 |
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給本席我們繼續來討論最後一個議題也就剛剛我們這個昭偉一直在跟你討論的 |
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不管是菸廠你的五大園區不管是我們台中的酒廠這些都是我們台灣非常重要的一個資產這些的資產的活化如果說沒有讓人民甚至世界各國的朋友能夠進入到我們的園區那也達不到我們真正所要的一個效率跟效能所以因為這個地方是我們台中很重要的一個資產 |
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那你不能一直把它擺在那邊你必須要把它活化一直努力到現在我們要怎麼樣加入元素進來以文化資產為重點本席具體建議我們要既然達成共識我們必須要起而立行你必須部長你設一個專案設一個專案來討論可以達到嗎 |
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你們一起啟動專案來討論才能夠真正有動作有效能啊所以我剛才已經回答其實我們連昨天晚上都還在討論這個題目所以委員不用擔心我們在盡快會提出一個盡快到底多久時間會提出好來給我一個時間好嗎盡快多久會提出因為周邊的環境太好了我們的因子都非常的成功國慢館等都在附近 |
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所以它是一個串聯的一個平台請告訴我們時間多久時間沒關係 對 你告訴我多久時間我們才能夠真正討論出一個方向出來 |
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好 我跟市長商量一下他說三個月其實不用太擔心因為那個好 可以可以我們一起來活絡讓這個地方讓全世界人來享受台中之美沒錯沒錯我們很希望台灣人有這種走到哪裡都有看到文化版圖的這個環境 謝謝好 謝謝安球英委員 謝謝部長 |
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有請副市長委員有請部長有請部長 |
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國務委員你好大家辛苦喔 時間寶貴站在這裡針對台灣Plus的改革我全力支持我們要透過革新把台灣的文化力能夠更無遠弗屆台灣就是要用文化跟世界交朋友尤其打造一個以台灣的視角台灣的觀點為核心向世界發聲的平台我想這是各黨派都應當支持的事 夏業 |
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不然您知道嗎有關這個台灣plus的前身我們要去強化國家的國際傳播的工作早在什麼時候開始倡議 您知道嗎雖然完成是在民進黨執政蔡英文總統的任內我們讓2021年開台2022年由公視基金會來營運然後2022年的10月我們也同時台灣plus有電視頻道雖然在我們手上開花結果 |
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但是我手上这份资料其实是101年的时候那时候正值行政院的新闻局足改才撤所以对于国际文宣的部门的业务人力是移拨到外交部我手上这一份就是当时马英九总统执政的时候外交部的常务次长施亚平所进行的台湾要建构软实力的国际文宣平台的专案报告 |
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所以我要说的是不分谁执政不管是什么政党我们要整合跨部会的资源建构台湾向国际发声的国际文宣平台可以来争取国际的认同支持推动文化外交不分党派更何况历史的资料就在这里国民党政府当时想做 |
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没有做到但我们接棒我们接力政策本来就是延续的我们执政之后建构了台湾plus无论如何我们要把握这个契机我也不乐见好不容易建构的国际传媒的重要的平台这段时间以来遭受了非常多的污名化妖魔化政治的攻击 |
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我想我們就很務實的就改革論改革所以剛剛所說的早在馬英九執政就希望台灣能夠建立這樣子的一個平台 |
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那經費呢?下一頁部長您知道嗎?我也去查了這些歷史文件啊1998年公視剛建台的時候我現在講到整個公視的營運啊當時的前兩屆董事長吳鳳山董事長他說的其實在1998年就說了每年至少要有60億溢出在台灣的公共電視 |
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60亿如果换到现在2026年的整个物价的水平国家每年投资个100亿其实也是一个合一的数字我们不能一时一直的要求文化部做越多做越好可是又要马儿好又要马儿不吃草 |
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回到历史上的文件我们来解释台湾plus我们就是该做永续的做革新面对问题但是我们不要自己打击了我们的士气但是我今天站在这里监督部长我还是希望预算权就是行政权能够编列预算支持国家的公广集团支持国家的国际传播的能力我们就勇敢的反映在预算编列上下一页 |
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2023年我們修了公示法終於能夠給台灣PLUS一個法源在公示法的第10條第二條也針對預算的額度把9億元的天花板的緊箍咒給鬆綁了所以在比較以前就是9億加1億沒丁沒當 |
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一筆是捐赠9亿元另外一笔是有限广播电视发展基金9加1亿因为法规的松绑我们可以做到像2026年的预算我列在右边我们有更为多元的财政工具可以来益助于我们的公广集团但是还是不够我下眼 |
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第一個要提示給您的也就是剛剛所說的我們依有線廣播電視法每年該挹注1%的營業額成立特種基金當中30%來捐贈公視文化事業基金會因為國人的收視習慣的改變這一筆的有線廣播電視發展基金其實是越來越少它就大幅的減少了 |
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我們公視的穩定的裁員這是問題之一我們要想辦法來補強問題之二下一頁我現在用的數字是改革之後的公視法鬆綁之後的我們可以用更多元的財政工具來幫助公管集團的營運我以110到115年改革前每個國人能夠分配的公共電視的製播資源是人均97塊 |
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改革後我們修了公視法大概公視每年有39.5億的收入總收入換算國人我們每人只能夠分配169塊即便他成長了1.74倍部長你有跟國際比較嗎台灣這樣子的數字 |
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我們就來看看國際英國BBC每戶每年6798元日本NHK一年國家投入1372億每戶2000到4000元韓國的KBS每年國家投入317億每戶686元我們看歐洲 |
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法國France TV國家投注一年968億新台幣國人享有的文化內容產製的資源是一年1200元澳洲第一點也有每人862元 |
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所以對應於台灣的剛剛說的修法之後我們也只來到每個國人獲益的公網集團公共電視可以資助的可以產出的這些文化的有形的只有169塊怎麼克服啊部長巧婦難為無米之炊啊其實那個吳委員講到我們整個 |
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在公共媒體的那個投資的確是在1998年本來是60億可是控制在9億而且我一直要講那些事就是1998年當我們把公視變成小而美的一個單位以後他就把公共電視綁住了從此以後慢慢的就長不大了 |
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就長不大了從今以後就被壓垮了所以我實際上講到台灣的公共媒體其實蠻可憐的因為它一開始就把它限制住然後之後每次加一點加一點大家會覺得很多其實剛剛委員你列出來這個全世界的這種大家對於公共媒體的投資跟每個人能夠享受到的那個台灣其實差得非常非常遙遠所以為什麼每次在講到預算的時候我們都覺得好像不太夠 |
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就是最近在編譯上對 像公共電視公共那個媒體他的權真的不夠 |
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我想這是一個難解的問題但我還是要回到預算權就是行政權在我們修了公事法第二條你可以用更多元的方式由文化部來編列預算來挹注於我們公共電視基金會我認為你們就勇敢去做尤其我們現在都說把經濟發展的紅利讓人民共享我們擴大社福擴大照顧人民我覺得同樣的做文化部長要勇敢的向內閣團隊處計部門爭取我們的文化預算 |
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因為經濟發展的紅利也要跟每個國人的文化生活要能夠有正向的受益我整理這個資料是給大家一個警訊我們該努力的跟國際比起來台灣的公共傳媒的投資真的是杯水車薪如何讓台灣的文化力成為國際的關鍵力量呢我很擔心下一頁這裡我整理出來的公式其實這是你們應該也掌握 |
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公共電視內部的調查對於台灣plus的六大問題我就不再贅述了這是你們自己內部的調查六大重要的發現搭配下一頁監察院2025年的調查台灣plus的營運績效的整體報告跟剛剛你們公視內部自己的調查其實是不謀而合的 |
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所以在人力結構上過度的側重外籍的背景造成選題的意見上的分歧造成不能夠原汁無原味的傳達台灣的文化觀點 |
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还有你们的国外的顾问团的隔海选稿的问题会造成边彩的失衡的风险还有你们离职率偏高这些问题我想你们都看到核心的议题我就不赘述这是在营运面我最后还有两点我快速的提出我下一页下一页也就是台湾plus的在定位 |
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剛剛您也提到我們加總起來不管官網App或是YouTube串流平台亞洲佔比跟美洲佔比加總起來就將近九成對於歐洲大洋洲非洲地區其他或非英語系國家的傳輸的內容相對就比較失衡這是我另外看到的問題我建議下一頁 |
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我常常用台法文化基金會的運作我們可以在歐陸以台法文化獎為核心來跟台灣plus多多串聯所以是不是能夠製播以歐洲為訴求對象的甚至就以我們非常運作良善的台法文化獎 |
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來製播一些法語相關的節目我拋出來你們去思考一下好嗎還有再下一個最後一個台灣plus眾新聞新一些專題的文化產製這個美光的影片 |
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你看他的影響力多大讓台灣的科技力被世界看見所以說新聞本身63.2%都在做新聞節目上但新聞的本質他具有即時性他有消耗性但是如果我們在內容的製播資源的配置上能夠 |
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多支持像這一類的專題深入的紀錄片可以介紹台灣的科技力教育力台灣的藝術力甚至台灣的美食台灣的日常我們的宗教我認為他留下來的文化產製的內容他可以多次的循環的無限的被傳散這是我的第四個建議所以我在預算面的建議我在你的營運面的建議我在你的 |
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內容產製面向的建議還有剛剛第三點我們過度侧重英語系國家美洲跟亞洲為主這些內容四大方向你們都回去檢視三個月內提供一個完整的資料給本席好嗎 |
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那我的這些建議所以我剛剛我講一個結論剛剛委員講的幾乎是一針見血而且是對於台灣Plus的下一步要做什麼提出了非常具體的方向那我跟委員保證其實我們從去年到今年整個組織改造得很大就是想朝著剛剛委員講的一些項目比較不足的部分或者可以做的部分我們來努力我們提出一個報告 |
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好 那對於台灣plus我覺得就是我不要說恨鐵不成鋼啦我認為一個剛起步幾年的國際傳媒的平台它又有先天上的困境但是不要打擊了我們自我的士氣 |
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更重要的文化部門對於公廣集團的資源的挹注政策的支持我希望大家能夠勇敢的來捍衛台灣已經成為世界的關鍵字的同時我們就支持我們的文化力無遠弗屆的傳達我也希望立法院不分黨派在預算上不要為難在預算上不要來杯葛 |
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好 我們繼續加油 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝委員好 請回 謝謝待會在許宗憲委員詢答完畢以後我們休息30分鐘吃便當給大家休息一下早上大家辛苦了那接下來吳麗華委員謝謝主席有請部長有請部長 |
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吳葵你好部長好你好今天的專報特別就是邀請大家來談台灣plus的未來那我在這邊也聽到很多的委員做的一些指教那當然對我來講 |
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我們都引以為傲的就是過去很明顯的台灣在影視音這個產業呢曾經就是引領華人世界引領潮流那曾經何時大家就是哈日然後吹起寒風那甚至現在中國大陸的市場也非常的驚人那所以我們也 |
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意識到這個問題所以我們也開始希望如何像是韓國他們現在這個K呀這個K大家看到K就想到Gorea就想到韓國所以呢他們的這個Kcontent |
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内容基金我们也可以看到你们之前你们的文策院的专报夜报也有特别提到李在明政府他为了实现文化强国这是他们的政策目标所以呢也在今年的文化预算呢增加到新台币的2285亿啊 |
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那我想這個數字是相當驚人的所以當我們在談台灣plus在2021到2028總共編列了98億將近100億的時候其實我們也要去討論我們到底能夠善用這筆經費做出什麼樣的T內容台灣的內容 |
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所以我在這裡其實我之前也有質詢過我舉個例子像是在台灣plus的一段宣傳影片我們有看到也有被批評就是請我們原住民的孩子穿著我們的傳統服飾在一個茶園裡面喝著奶茶 |
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那我當時就在想啊這樣的一個編輯的想法到底是出自於台灣人還是出自於外籍的編輯因為台灣原住民也許在國外人士看來他是一個台灣的特色 |
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奶茶也是台灣的特色茶也是台灣的特色但是這麼一組合呢它非但不是創意反而是浪費了原住民浪費了奶茶浪費了茶葉就整盤都浪費光了所以我們很在意的就是這個所謂的內容我們常常喊的越在地就越國際 |
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所以呢我常常想要去看的去了解的就是人家的平台到底放的是什麼所以呢我也曾經問過美國人就是你們對台灣有興趣的到底是什麼東西他們會說 |
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他們有興趣的是有影響力的公眾人物例如你介紹李安他就會很有興趣那又或者是說台灣的晶片他很有興趣那我又聽說最近在美國開始流行一個東西目前在加州那現在開始擴散部長你知道是什麼東西嗎在美國加州已經開始非常流行準備擴散到其他各州 |
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台湾饭团台湾的饭团不是日本的御饭团7-11的御饭团他们现在很喜欢里面放萝卜腌萝卜放油条这样的一个台湾的饭团那也开始准备流行所以我们在想那我们的台湾plus到底会不会有这些东西的产生举个例子当然我们不能够跟那个Netflix比但是 |
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部長你看一下那個現在的遙控器像我住在大安會館我也快昏倒了我在我的立法院辦公室現在都會有兩個遙控器一個是傳統的Cable的遙控器那另外一個我都不會用我都很頭痛有時候我在大安會館他跳台了我就整個快瘋了我都不知道我要怎麼樣去看電視但是 |
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年輕人就是他現在就是直接按他就是看YouTube頻道他就是看這個Netflix他就是看這些頻道他可能每個月就付個100塊他是跟國際串聯而且他要加速就加速可以自由的選播所以我一直在想像我在Cable我有看過台灣Plus |
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但是呢我發現我去Youtube看TownPlus的時候那個點閱率很低啊而且那個介面呢感覺我不要跟那個Netflix比我光是跟那個New York Times比我就覺得就差很多為什麼你看人家有Games有Play |
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他是黏著度很高喔因為他每天都有新遊戲在上面就會吸引很多人他就是每天要上這個頻道所以我想這個部分其實我們有很多像上次的那個101我就覺得蠻可惜因為上次那個Alex的101他判登 |
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其實就被那個Netflix買去嘛它的瀏覽率好像是同時進場有60萬人然後有將近1000萬的一個點播瀏覽率可是這個在台灣的101我們台灣plus如果有去談到轉播權我就想說那不是很好嗎甚至是像 |
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美国他们很喜欢看像我们的那个台湾富豪我们有进榜啊好多人进榜他们也很有兴趣去了解比中国的还多当然我想这个部分呢我比较要强调的就是我们跟中国的差异我不断地在诉求这件事像是杨双子 |
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他為什麼會受到矚目他也不過就是談我們講的dramabeauty或者是pop或者是這些food他講的是台灣的飲食文學可是他著重在如果他沒有這個殖民的元素去交代他不會吸引人所以我們常常在處理這些題材的時候我們不是不能介紹龍啊 |
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不是不能介紹老虎這種龍虎的這種文化特色實際上台灣也沒有老虎但是如果我們沒有去交代那個歷史的脈絡對國外的人來講他就覺得他寧可去看中國所以我覺得在這個部分我覺得我們要花更多的心思那在這裡呢其實我更在意的其實就是回到問題的核心像我很關心 |
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因為現在我一直在談AI時代的來臨我真的很擔心我們原住民的文化到底要怎麼傳承下去因為這個應該也要成為台灣plus很重要的一個文化內容可是您看看這個 |
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1871年這個蘇格蘭吉攝影師John Thompson他留下了很珍貴的像這個是希拉雅評普的一個影像可是我們卻在展覽文化館裡面標榜要跟AI結合的話他就幫他上色了 |
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它就變得更乾淨了更細緻了更漂亮了但是我不太理解這個代表什麼意義那尤其是現在AI的時代它會不斷的生成再製可能未來我們都不曉得真正的樣貌應該會變成什麼樣子 |
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那更何況這個資料庫裡面關於台灣原住民正確的這個資料非常的少所以我很在意那像是我們這個過去日本人留下的像鳥居隆藏啊 深丑之柱啊 伊能家舉等等他們留下了很多很珍貴的一個影像資料所以我想請教一下部長就是 |
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到底我們這些高畫質很珍貴的影像文化部有沒有在掌握有沒有在收藏那個部長請教你一下我想我們本身有一些本身我們就有個單位叫做影視音中心他大量的收藏了很多過去到現在重要的影片然後開始修復那收藏了很多東西那這些會放到哪裡去他有不同的處理吧 |
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譬如說我們剛才你提到那個一般人對原住民的刻板印象等等台灣早期有很多電視台也蒐集了很多這種影像的東西現在漸漸把它修復才能夠恢復到當年就像剛才講那個平埔族也好原來的一些其他族他的穿著樣子我覺得的確是要恢復到原來的 |
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部長我跟您說其實我就是常常在找我覺得政府單位沒有很重視這個像這種我以為這個是官方的網站台灣國定古蹟編轉研究小組結果我去查了才知道原來他只是一位民間文史的愛好者 |
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那他在這種沒有買廣告自己經營的狀況下你看他已經累計了將近30萬的追蹤者那15年來他也貼了6.6萬則的一個貼文那像這些你看他放上來的我也跟他去指證因為鳥居隆藏確實來過高雄州 |
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盧凱族的萬斗龍社那他也確實去過台中州的一個叫做萬大社可是呢這個歷史資料他上面留下的是盧凱族萬大社那我跟他反映那我也請他確認那他跟我告訴我他也更正了他說這個確實是萬斗龍社不是台中州的萬大社 |
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其實這些都是高畫質非常清晰那為什麼我特別問這個因為在6月23號到明年的3月1號史前文化博物館的南科考古館他有辦一個叫做斷語序鳥居籠帳與當代台灣原住民族的對話的一個策展 |
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那這個很棒但是呢我發現他的照片不多很少但是實際上我們珍貴的這一些史料非常的多但是沒有被建置起來所以我其實今天就是要特別回到核心當我們在談 |
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我們的T的內容台灣plus的內容文化內容是什麼的時候我們很多珍貴的資料其實是沒有被系統性的把它編轉保存設置建置起來然後讓我們能夠再利用所以這個部分部長我特別的關心所以我是想說我希望兩週內能夠得到一個書面報告就是到底我們這些珍貴的原住民的這些歷史的影像資料 |
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能不能够由什么单位来管理保存来建置部长我已经讲过有一个在算是我们蛮重要的一个影视新中心有关所有的台湾包括以前有个电影叫电影公司叫台湾电影制片厂他的所有新闻片都经过数位档案扫描然后大家可以上网去去查询 |
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我們就有一個名稱叫做台灣影視廳數位博物館所以這個博物館其實藏了蠻多所以他是可以專責做這件事是那原住民的內容呢他也包含在原住民內容那我就是希望兩周內得到一個書面報告我想要知道到底原住民的內容有哪些好不好 |
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那如果沒有的話我希望在這個部分我就是強力的來訴求我希望政府能夠重視這件事情因為在當我們談台灣plus的時候內容絕對是最核心的問題那這些東西呢我希望政府不能夠比民間還要怠惰我希望政府要跑在最前面因為政府有經費民間沒有經費是憑著一股熱誠愛心如果結果做得比政府還好那我真的覺得說有點不好意思好不好 |
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我们那个执行长很想跟你讲他们做了什么好吗谢谢跟委员报告我们这五年来的预算是32亿然后事实上我们在人才跟预算资源上面临很多挑战我们也都努力克服精心期待委员的支持这个我们都理解所以希望你们被鼓励 |
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是謝謝然後您剛有提到就是有關原住民的這議題的部分我們有請原民台跟所有的員工做教育訓練所以您剛提到的一些問題就不會再發生那另外就是說有提到就是在YT的點播上 |
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看到他的点击率比较低我也跟委员报告就是以蓝语达误族华平板舟到菲律宾巴丹岛进行文化交流这个新闻为例YT的呈现上在TOMPLUS的YT呈现上 |
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大概這個系列的影片大概是幾百幾千或是上萬可是它在FBA的呈現上可以到三十幾萬四十幾萬甚至可以整合起來跨平台可以到幾百萬所以我們是用跨平台來去看因為它才可以了解它的影響率跟滲透率 |
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另外就是有关原住民的文化的部分那是台湾很珍贵的文化所以我们也会投入资源制作原住民的相关的影音像我们最近在去年我们的短影音好几部都是超过百万像其中一个在报道台湾的悠游卡的部分就超过180万点击率那所以我们也会透过这样的方式去报道 |
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原民相關的文化然後向國際傳播跟委員報告 謝謝那簡安部長 司長我就講一個像剛才我講的這個鳥居籠帳假設民間擁有這些珍貴的資料我們是不是應該要去了解要關心要合作甚至策展有可能進行展開這樣的行動嗎 |
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當然 我們這個事情 我們的展覽馬上就要開始了我們去了解民間還有什麼更珍貴的資產謝謝委員提醒好 謝謝部長好 謝謝主席好 謝謝請回請下一位蔡村佐委員 |
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主席好有請李部長有請部長蔡委員好部長好文化部呢從110年起就推動國展國際數位傳播的一個計畫在110年一直到113年這四年當中這個經費高達58億 |
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那114到117年又新增了一個發展計畫的一個總經會高達40億元辦理國際影音平台的一個影印那面對這麼大的一個龐大的一個公帑一個投入那我身為國會的一個議員 |
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我還是有責任要來勘緊人民的一個荷包那到底有沒有落實這樣一個制度化的一個治理今天我們就在這裡就發現問題然後我們來釐清問題來處理問題那首先我們就關於台灣PLUS的一個 |
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人事的一個問題剛剛委員有問到執行長兼總編輯曹玉芬她是在115年4月20號到7月10號在美國進行長達約三個月的一個海外的一個遠端工作剛剛部長你也回答了說她本人已經回到台灣了是不是 |
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那既然是回來了那我要就請教部長那關於目前他是不是恢復在台辦公然後目前他是否續任公視又如何來評估他的一個適任性請部長說明請官方電視的總經理回答還是你好 |
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感谢委员的关切有关于曹副执行长是在去年五月通过董事会上院然后今年的四月呢他是协命到那个美国的华府去推展他的业务那他目前已经回来了然后曹副执行长也会跟同仁们做他在海外的一些工作的成果分享 |
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那至於剛剛委員關切的未來的狀況呢我們也有考慮到說未來如果說大家外界對於我們那個目前在任用還有就是異地工作的狀態是有一些意見我們也會深切的就是檢討然後我們也會虛心接受未來我們針對這樣子一個上班情形我們也會再多加評估謝謝委員 |
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謝謝回答在這裡我也請就是說這個貪污海外工作是依據公式的哪一項規章哪一個規定有寫核准那性質究竟是海外遠端辦公室因公出差海外派駐還是特別任務這個地方我們也希望能夠一併來處理因為 |
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他是總編輯 然後送到國外去是外派記者那這個中間就有落差了 工作限制就有落差了 薪水待遇也有落差了這個地方一定要做一個說明 而且他在那邊是不是有什麼特別的任務 |
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你也有說明說都會具體的來做一個說明跟報告那在這三個月裡面他的任務工作紀錄成果還有薪資我剛剛講了薪資他是主管這個地方我就希望能夠對外界說清楚講明白 |
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好 謝謝委員那我簡單說明一下就是那個朝副執行長他其實是在去年我們要正值一些改革的階段然後需要一個具備總編輯職能的主管能夠統合督導新聞的內容 |
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以及要调整编采作业流程与开拓新闻的广度跟深度在这样的情况要进行改革的计划那我们就在这样的状况底下好不容易延揽到一个长期在国内国外媒体工作拥有丰富编采经验的曹女士来担任我们那个执行长的这样的一个职务到现在为止呢 |
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執行長也逐步在完成我們整個改革相關的一些需求那目前我們國內的一些編採作業是由我們新聞部的經理在負責督導那曹副執行長這次赴美的一個遠距的工作也是為了台灣Plus可以拓展國際的新聞業務深化一個海外的布局然後提升國際的一個民間度為主要的任務 |
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我知道但是我很質疑就是說這個業務一定需要在海外待了三個月這個時間也是讓人家很質疑沒有關係等一下我們希望能夠做一個書面高階主管出國辦公 |
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不能隨心所欲不能享受特權文化部跟公視不能每次問到就用有事前申請或是依規定的核准這樣的一個說法我們都沒有辦法接受所以北溪要求會後必須就剛剛講的這些規章文件出行紀錄還有成果 |
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他的出差位的一個細目啊都必須要做一個那個很清楚的一個交代好 謝委員我們後續資料會再提供謝謝OK 好 謝謝那請部長那好那在這裡呢要跟部長就是說其實說這個我也有一點難過啦因為部長剛剛你提的報告就是說這個 |
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Taiwan Plus是災難收聽了就有一點難過看一看的確是一個災難今天文化部提出來的報告裡面 |
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開頭是有說災難說來做一個檢視但是整個報告裡面卻沒有講到這個災難到底是在哪裡然後是誰造成的那更沒有交代主管責任跟改革期限其實 |
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也不意外啦因為我們也很遺憾的就是說部長你在7月2號公開的一個道歉然後7月4號呢馬上就基本就變了啦那在這一份看了這個報告呢其實我個人也覺得很遺憾因為呢部長我們都是對你這個文人的風骨 |
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都一直都很尊重很尊敬但是覺得這樣的一個緩護的說明有一點有一點辜負了文人的一個風格所以文人的風格所以我還是希望說部長帶著你前部的部會的那個首長來到國會都帶誠意來不要緩緩乎乎到底 |
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是哪一個7月2號跟7月4號哪一個才是真正的部長在這裡我也請部長可以說明一下因為這個題目前面我還是要回到剛剛講到說我在不同的時間講的話其實都是因為我前面解釋過台灣plus是在一個什麼情況下產生的剛剛 |
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委員也列出來我講話的順序是說他原來在中央社後來移到公共廣播集團然後結構性的我們在網羅人才遇到了蠻多的挑戰我大概就是這樣描述那我的一切言論都是來自我們面對台灣plus他怎麼樣在 |
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疫情的時候產生中間經過好幾年的外籍的記者跟本國的記者還有編輯的方向如何用台灣觀點這樣子一個謀合的過程我覺得大家非常辛苦我沒有辦法否定那個所有的曾經在這邊努力過的員工還是兩件事我沒有覺得我在撒謊 |
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但是用災難說的話大家都會覺得很奇怪你到底是對這個節目是肯定還是不肯定所以這個災難就讓人家很容易就誤解了那當然在台灣PLUS我們也都很這樣的一個國際的媒體的一個平台我個人還有很多我們國內的都贊同我因為台灣需要國際空間但是呢我們 |
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還是要來做一個檢驗那在台灣PLUS從115年一直到5月這裡報告書裡面有寫那個觀看的人數突破4.1次然後觀看的一個時數的突破1129萬小時還有色情追蹤人數是達到173萬人次然後呢 |
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這個在美國的一個美國家庭的觸及率有將近兩千萬嘛剛剛我們那個趙偉也有問到嘛那這個我覺得這個數字雖然是漂亮但是有點冰冷啦因為我們不能看這些數據來代表說這個就是台灣普拉德的一個很好的一個KPI這個我們不能不能夠接受我現在要來瞭解就是說 |
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好 這個數據這麼漂亮以色情追蹤173萬人次那有多少人 按讚 |
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然後呢留言分享這個比較重要嘛然後呢收藏如果這個數據應該要跟著出來然後才能檢驗到說你這個節目呢受到多少人肯定這個部分呢是不是再做一個說明好那我是指廷長講得比較仔細 |
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好 谢谢委员因为现在的收视碎片化还有演算法控制流量所以我们是用跨平台的累计这跨平台累计它才能够反映真正的影响力跟渗透率刚刚委员有提到有关于观看次数 |
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觀看時數還有追蹤率的部分我們也都可以提供不同平台的相關內容以素面報告委員謝謝那我們也要知道你這些節目在很多因為這個是在國外播出的一個節目那國外有很多節目 |
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有多少的平台有提到就是應用到台灣PLUS這些節目這些影像來說明或是來跟他們的觀眾分享我想這個是比較重要你要人家有感動覺得說這個台灣譬如我有看過有一集在播台灣的食物 |
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那台灣的景點台灣很特殊的一些海產這個部分很好那像這樣子有沒有有哪一些國家有哪些的節目呢是同時都一直在來提到台灣的這些文化食物的文化有嗎 |
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相關的統計我們可以事後提供各位參考好 現在沒有辦法說明那就用報告最後我還是要針對剛剛我們召委問的一個數據調查在這裡的數據調查我要問一下執行長 |
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你這個數據調查 剛剛你回答 我還要再問一下 你這個數據調查 你說母體用了200個母體 未來要用300個母體那我請問一下 你這個調查呢 你是用網路調查呢 還是用電話 或者是用實體的 |
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我們主要是透過量化跟質化那是滿一度調查量化的部分我們今年會有300個樣本質化的部分我們會有到70個那你質化這些對象是怎麼來的 |
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直化的部分就是做面对面的访谈面对面对对对那它有部分就是会为民调公司做国外的访谈这样 |
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然後從國外的反彈再回饋到國內來做一個統計那這樣我是覺得不管是質化或是量化你這個信度跟效度一定要讓人家能夠可以接受所以尤其是量化你的母體只有200或是300這個代表性 |
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足夠嗎所以在這個地方呢就要跟執事長就是說我們在做一個數據的調查一定要考慮到信度跟效度好那最後呢我還是就是說我們時間的關係因為也有委員都有提到那個公共電視那個 |
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補助一些節目在這裡我是呼籲我們當然來支持福祉有潛力的一個文化的一個創作但是國家的公帑絕對不能夠當作提款機那請文化部能夠分清楚什麼叫投資什麼叫做補助這樣的一個分際那能夠嚴查投資的一個漏洞然後漏死退場的一個機制所以呢什麼叫投資呢它是一個商業的一個 |
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那個模式然後呢補助呢他是需要扶持有錢力的我們都需要給他扶持給他機會的所以呢今天本席站在這裡呢首先就是要來重申一個原則我們支持台灣文化走向國際尤其是 |
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文化外交剛剛那個部長也有說明很多有很多文化的一個活動參加很多國際場合這個我們當然是支持但是我們也知道台灣的地眼政治敏感在一個關鍵時刻我們需要跟台灣的觀點還有在地的故事能夠傳遞出去所以我們希望未來的節目是越來越精緻 |
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我要回答其實我有兩種結論做一個結論好 我做個結論就是剛才講到那個98億投資在這個台灣Plus其實是五年34億因為我們慈善從數字上把它放大就覺得好像台灣Plus沒有做什麼第二點 |
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我是完全希望我們今天在立法院各位委員對我們的指教大家的目標都是一致我們非常努力的讀書台灣Plus然後大家的所有的提出來的問題我們會非常有效率的做解決 |
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然後書面的報告包括數字等等委員所有的問題我們都用書面盡快的提供給你部長我剛才跟著你的話我們不是沒有認為說這個台灣普拉斯沒有做什麼而是我們希望它更精緻做得更好我剛才有講了我們同意這樣的一個國際媒體的一個平台我們同意 |
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那今天在這裡跟文化部提出的這些問題是希望台灣普拉爾能夠做得更好然後影響在國際間能夠有所影響好 以上跟部長做交流好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝 請回好 下一位有請許中信委員 |
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來 以下我們文化部立案理補兌好 有請部長補兌好 你好 委員你好我們正在在台南美術館你要記名的喔是台南美術館那個空間很大我每次在土地裡覺得說很有意義補兌也有去嘛補兌甘在台南美術館 |
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那個土地在日本時代是什麼地方?我不知道那個地方在清朝是我們台南最大的好客人當元國的土地所以195年 日本的統帥 朽納朽新納 |
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說兩句 中聯救親王的 到那裡往生去所以日本時代 給他設置台南新社我們現在才給他改造美術館我帶著台灣這個土地 都會去了解這個土地我們的祖先在這裡怎麼打拚 |
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怎麼來犧牲,怎麼來付出,我們現在要怎麼做,我們的租路,這裡有種來好的前途,這一直都是我的宿舍所以我今天看到我們報告的主題,文化來源的導出,我看到裡面報告說台灣Plus |
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變成災難 我覺得很難過所以說剛才委員也提到南韓是怎麼他的蚊蟲三鴨會起來南韓因為發展美蚊蟲三鴨從他2000年以來的歷史把它學出來把它拍作產品所以像習近平也在看 |
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所以說國會這個文化的熱量,本土文化的熱量非常大所以說我請教保證,我們台灣主要在明正時期就是提醒說23年當年國會時 |
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有盡感謝的地方對高雄的內蒙到台南的英空到台南的流行到嘉義到芬林三十公里有一個地名叫做飛燒店不知道你覺得飛燒店是什麼意思不知道我們台灣樹的學者 |
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不知道說我們台灣四五百年來就是獨一元的這個社會所以我們兩國會前在台南秘書館那是請聯合國的貿易專家美國的議員專家來探討貿易的重要性所以我對兩國會拚了我來講這個非正點的故事因為他們都外國人所以我用英文講 |
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結果我講三分鐘,我們的主持人就跟我說史教授你的時間夠,我講一問就緊張了,他就跟我說時間夠,就更緊張了所以我今天把這位青獅,青獅可以跟我說了嗎?他說可以所以我現在要敲死,是有證據各位這個飛獸店 |
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你想不想清掉空虛擬感的地圖,我們就標廢銷店所以這個廢銷店不是家人廢銷還是店廢銷我們的台灣市對它的了解都錯誤各位,我們今天有去Costco嗎?你們有去Costco喔我給各位念一念英文各位,你們注意聽這裡英文 |
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好事喔好事喔就是火燒店的火燒所以說你們想不到我們台灣三百六十年前我們的先民已經要講英文現在用台語來翻譯火燒店這裡的火燒店都是英國人來台灣買民生必食品想要吃 |
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我們回去英國 賺錢的這個火燒店 因為他們人來 燒酒所以都可以開大門而已 所以火燒是這樣來的所以說各位 同時英國來 每一次都夾我們火燒 |
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灰情 灰藥 還有一個技術來教我們台灣人要怎麼做情 做灰藥這個工人呢 北京是北京人嘛他的宗祭術就是他的宰相 叫做丹英華丹英華呢 剛在退後 台灣術一直沒有那麼多探討 |
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但是最近因為台北的地下化因為聖台那附近去大樓蓋起來各位證明到丹英華他在做中介事務的時候他住在哪裡住在你如果用Google查叫黃博士這個地方 |
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這個環保室在日本時代還在,去讓日本人跳樓,去台鐵的鐵路,去日本的軍備衣後來後面就是苗圃,就是我這省台的立省校區,我在那裡架車二十幾年所以說我一直要強調,我要說這個故事 |
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我們如果有這個地方,我們的台灣Plus就有利用了外國人就有希望要來看,這樣我們的節目經費就高了那你如果沒有地方,就只能看我們台灣有什麼晶片啦我說實在的,那不夠爛啦,就要有這個感人的故事 |
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如果丹英華叫他的女兒感情的故事非常多,我後來才幫他補充報告今天你可以接受今天你看到這塊酒桃這個酒桃剛才放在大樓之前,我去拿起來之前已經廢棄了這個酒桃就是屁股裡面它的這個出家人它的 |
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鳳凰叫清朝乾隆期間的大元帝叔周元叔他叫周公 周公不是蔣介石喔是周元叔 他們倆的特色人很好所以說 周元叔都去看這個鳳凰這個鳳凰有歷史記載 有勤工工夫很好 |
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一定要恕帳,能處庭中時啊一定要恕帳,能處庭中時我認為這裡的囚徒就是他在討的囚徒所以這個紅屁屍裡面,他有很多歷史這個紅屁屍對對來的各位,清朝帖的台灣料,他的修董在我們生態學庫 |
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他叫做孟太子,他看到丹寧法的故事豐富,很科學所以他就出席,將丹寧法的故事改作五癖詩,他就出席五癖詩裡面擺的就是孟太子的故鄉,他的生命啦所以五癖詩就是對丹寧法的故事來的 |
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啊這樣咧齁 台鐵打發的時候呢 歐出民政時期的軍改 歐炮 歐青 歐飛鷗還有一張軍規 叫做諷刺軍規 諷刺軍規這個諷刺軍規 軍規喔 那個 顯示一下這台鐵打發的時候 歐起來的諷刺軍規 一張 |
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所以說各位因為種植樹在那邊要有收尾啊要有收尾所以當時明智時期當年國道行的時候因為大眾的台獨土靠台獨土地化這麼好這奉賜盡虧了就是這樣來的啊這樣標示當英法在那裡沒有不對昂霹是在當英法的故事 |
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這樣的話,民進黨在台南很多你要去,大家的地方都可以去你偏偏找這個地方去大樓像我剛才說的那裡的酒店,還有這裡的歷史的古蹟都廢棄了都廢棄了所以說我今天來這裡要補充報告我們這裡要存起來 |
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做個新節目啦你想要不要也要在我們的節目裡面可以有個故事我可以接受歷史的條件我如果自己說不對,我給你批評那今天是我來給各位接受的給各位報告的內容七月十三,台南的新聞出來說最近還撒謊在大樓裡面 |
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有蛤蜊啦 文革啦 蛤蜊要有牡蠣殼啦 蚵仔啦 蚵仔殼啦 沒錯蛤蜊叫牡蠣 牠的生長的環境有多少牠的生長環境沒有什麼啦蛤蜊這個東西要吃海藻啦 要有一頭殼啦 |
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鵝仔無力,我們很多海邊都放棄所以他們這兩種成分不會主演作弊那個地方台南,我們的海拔平均20.6兆元所以也不太可能他們主演去那裡上場這樣我們OK了 |
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這樣我就想說,五百四裡面的出家人,偷吃車喔?偷吃蛤蜊喔?偷吃蚵仔喔?沒中你看,這是怎麼來的?五百四那裡打起來,有蛤蜊有蚵仔吃,這是怎麼來的? |
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這座地是昂霹靂陣情的人吃的昂霹靂陣情的人吃的因為昂霹靂出家人沒有放在家裡來就變成日本人踢掉了所以這個蛤蟆殼、蚵仔殼應該是昂霹靂陣情的人吃的所以我從這裡把這點剔出來我們用這個,用蚵蝦來探討 |
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這樣呢,拍成節目後,我們就要祈禱台灣的很多感人的故事,我如果再跟他們報告丹英華女兒的故事,大家老百姓跟習近平就要看就對了丹英華的故事輸掉,空氣風地非常尊重所以說,陳孟雄、陳孟維他們兩個的兒子,空氣給他繳錢 |
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那一個中獎員,一個做海關做專修的,會抽中所以說各位,我們如果對一個國家社會很重,陷你的敵人就把你尊重所以說我今天這次的接種是這個接種所以說各位,保證你們,以為說蛤蟆教學比較不可能是這個出家人討價的嘛 |
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很有可能是丹英華叫他的家人說輸贏,但是我不敢作弊跟他報告,很有可能啦因為這年中社會不會主軟社會,所以拜託保重,是不是因為你的英雄辣,來支持我們 |
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不來可以影響的從這裡的故事和經歷出來不要再說火燒點是已經點火燒了啦這叫做手啦那是我們台灣很有歷史的地名紅白是台南法的故事因為我們 |
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補充的努力可以給他吃命我認為這是你大講的一件對台灣的貢獻會非常大以上這個補充報告 感謝也很感謝教育給我講到這裡 感謝謝謝 告訴很好聽的好 謝謝那也給部長聽聽看不一樣的一些故事啦那感謝委員 |
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優秀的分享謝謝我們先休息30分鐘大家吃個便當謝謝 |
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好 現在開會下一位質詢的委員 張阿玲委員謝謝主席 我們有請部長有請部長 |
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張委員好部長好今天其實我是想要跟你討論因為在上個禮拜我有聽到你們在做文化審查的時候有委員提到就是功夫的票房不好那時候你就有提到說你這個投資失敗令人傻眼來形容功夫這部影片但是我會認為就是說在我們的文策院 |
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他的角色本來就不可能是以每一個案子都會是成功的他也不可能要求所有的作品都是百分之百回收的真正的要看的還是說要回到說當初我們為什麼要投資嘛對不對因為如果我們今天都一定要確保說我們投資的每一個案子都百分之百成功那會發生什麼事情 |
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那就會發生說我們只會投有名的大導演那個市場暢銷的那種主流劇本那以前那些屬於比較實驗性的第一次投的輕睿導演那他們就不會有機會可以來去曝光那自己其實 |
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我認為要從這個文策院的設置條例裡面我們就清楚的採明了嘛文策院的肩負的任務就是發展文化內容產業培育人才協助文化內容投資及國際合作所以我會認為如果只有從票房來看他有沒有存在商業價值這是完全背離了文策院的這個設置的方向特別是說部長這邊也是您自己過去也談過的就是說台灣新電影 |
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你說不可否認新電影的票房確實存在瓶頸但是呢《悲情城市》在台灣新電影最困難最不被看好的時刻獲得了威尼斯影展的金獅獎讓台灣的電影得到了國際影展的肯定你也曾經主張政府應該支持藝術電影而不是只有鼓勵商業電影所以我希望的是說我們在做這些相關的評估不應該回到 |
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商業是成為唯一的來考量 特別是說我這邊舉了三部片子這三部片子我不曉得部長您知道嗎 |
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都看過都看過嘛 對不對好 周楚獨三海如果我們從商業價值來看的話他在台灣上映只有不到五千萬的票房可是呢 他今天透過了海外上映以及Netflix在串流平台上面在Netflix喔他一度進入全球非英語系國家電影排行榜第四名這樣子的成績有沒有很優秀 |
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非常好非常有非常好對不對那甚至他是打入了許多沙烏地阿拉伯馬來西亞連韓國這個非常這個文化輸出非常強的國家他都打進前十名所以呢其實這個電影就代表是說他雖然可能商業票房不好 |
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但是他有他的一個在其他的平台也許是有幫助的在例如中間的大萌我想這個部長一定是非常非常熟悉還有最右邊是我最近也非常推薦大家去看的失樂園為什麼呢失樂園這個主題上面非常的深刻嘛對吧 |
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部長對嗎你也認同吧吃二元的這個題材是非常需要大家一起對我跟導演非常熟所以我知道對這個題材它其實就是在講安置機構的兒少的困境它帶領我們去看這些社會議題從火神的眼淚到現在所以這個議題它不是典型的商業大片它是具有人權社會議題高度的一個作品所以市場的風險坦白說就是比較高所以我想問一下 |
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如果說今天我們只有看這個財務報酬那這才是符合文策院的目標嗎是這個目標嗎這還是文化部希望推動文化內容的方向嗎謝謝委員問到這個問題因為上一次我在回答的時候也許大家誤會我的意思我說文策院要減少單一專案投資會增加那個股權投資或基金投資不表示我們會對 |
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比較有實驗性的比較小的藝術電影不投資這點完全是誤會因為剛剛委員提到像我在1980年代新電影運動的時候我反而是最提倡走實驗電影的提拔了很多年輕導演後來證明他們可以走向全世界而且剛剛委員點到一個重點就是現在的影視作品不會是只有在電影院票房就是它唯一的票房它可能只是在電影院上完之後才有 |
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有平台還有絕世間的收入所以作為一個文車院當年政府要推廣文車院作為一個除了文化產業的一個推廣之後那其實也有國家戰略的那個高度所以我們在選擇投資的時候我相信不會只有以票房為主要的投資可能會著重在比較各種實驗性或者跟國際合作就比較能夠看到更長遠的目的的投資 |
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但是我想提醒部長就是如果我們逐漸減少單一作品的專案投資的時候它會造成什麼樣子的結果就是說我們特殊的一些小眾的電影的話它本來要得到天使投資人的機率就是低嘛如果你把它平均拉低的時候它就會變成是很難得到 |
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這些投資那他這樣就很難走到我們剛剛想的文化輸出這一步啊這個所以我希望的部長就是說我們要做這個方向上的調整的話我們應該要一個非常完整的政策影響性評估要對應到我們的目的因為我們的目的就是希望培育人才輸出我們的文化所以這件如果我們要做調整方向的時候必須要去回應這樣子才可以去做後續的改善這樣子部長可以承諾嗎 |
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沒有問題 其實我們在台北電影節你看他有短片有沒有其實我們在各個領域都有鼓勵短片就是給 或有金碎獎就是給那個年輕導演有第一次的機會那我們對 但是文策院的投資通常也就不是那樣子的 |
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文字院投資也是會考慮那個不見得是會選擇最大的風險最小的不是他應該選擇一個最有遠可以看到遠見的一個投資那剛剛回到輔導金其實我們有一半的輔導金都押在新導演身上在全世界能夠把錢押在完全沒有拍過長片的這個導演身上只有台灣那這點我跟委員保證我們不會放棄這樣的一個可能性好 |
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我希望部長還是要堅守啦因為我們重點還是希望可以培育更多不同樣子的議題都可以出現讓我們的民主自由成為大家真正創作者的一個土壤一個沃土可以讓我們的這個民主自由百花齊放的創作輸出到全世界這才是我們最重要的目的好不好那最後抱歉主席我再借一分鐘我只是想要了解陽光女子合唱團的爭議的後續我知道你們已經開過了一些相關的諮詢會議 |
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那但是我想我們還是要積極的來去回應就是降低台灣對於單一市場也就是中國的過度依賴所以我想要知道說我們接下來我們有沒有哪一些方法可以來協助我們的這一些電影從業人員這些導演可以去往非中國的國家 |
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這個問題其實我們跟業者談過很多次我們有個簡單的結論就是輔導金輔導台灣電影走遍全世界但是它不宜用限制在中國大陸上映這個管道它不太適合定在辦法裡面因為 |
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它跟市場流通又是另外一回事而且大家都知道所有電影都希望爭取到最大的市場所以提到中國因為我的問題是說我們重點是希望可以降低單一市場的依賴包括我們不管是哪個產業所以我們要如何協助大家拓廣拓廣其他的市場 |
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我們有沒有相關的計畫有 事實上現在那一段回答好了好不好好 現在我們的輔導金也好那個文稅院的投資也好其實我們都是在鼓勵這個片子本身可以在不同的國家上映然後走到全世界去不能夠依賴單一的市場 |
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過去曾經有電影考慮兩岸合作然後依賴中國的電影市場這個現象幾乎沒有關係你可能還要把資料給委員對 你要不要把事後我們約個時間來詳細討論我們到底如何來幫助大家好不好謝謝委員所關心的資料麻煩部長一定要據時的回答然後提供資料 以上 |
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鄭振淺 鄭振淺 鄭振淺林思敏 林思敏 林思敏謝龍介 謝龍介 謝龍介蔡奕宇 蔡奕宇 蔡奕宇接下來我們邀請羅志強委員有請部長有請部長王委員你好你好 |
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物以往之不見,之來者之可追,時彌圖其未遠,絕今是而昨非在我今天質詢之前我想把陶淵明的這個歸續來希的裡面這一段話來送給部長部長今天專報的主題其實就是因為您跟文化部在審查預算過程前後的說明 |
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不僅沒有讓大家更清楚還讓社會上增加對文化政策更多的疑慮才特別安排的那首先我們先來看一下我們7月2號省預算當天部長到底說了些什麼話來請播放有聲音嗎 |
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我把刀曾經好幾部電影都賣了好幾億然後他想用這部電影作為一個好久沒有的功夫片他卻有一種開創性出來這個結果的確令人這個非常傻眼我個人在這邊代表文車院投資這個功夫慘賠我個人道歉向所有這個關心台灣隱私的還有這個納稅人道歉 |
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台灣Plus它從頭到尾它的問題就是這個定位沒有很清楚原來想像中我們有一個頻道可以對國外發聲當你決定之後一下子沒有這麼多人才的時候就大量用了外籍記者短期的訓練那大家就覺得外籍記者報導東西又跟台灣沒有關係當初在中央社做不下去用一道公款集團公款集團好像又沒有辦法完全管到它因為它連上班都不在一起 |
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部長我想請教您7月2號你說的這些話到底算不算數哪些是真話哪些是假話那你的道歉是要收回了嗎 |
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謝謝委員剛才把我在當天放的那個話很完整的播出那關於功夫我想講的是其實文策院投資過非常非常多影片也賣錢的電影非常多文策院本來就是投資一些具有前瞻性實驗性但是他的 |
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電影本身的那個風險非常大沒有人會知道以我們投下這麼多的錢為了一部充滿這個技術提升還有類型提升而且他事實上他真的花了這麼多錢在做一個各種技術的提升在這個電影我們本來就是要試著投資這一種比較有遠見的電影所以大家 |
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想像中九把刀的電影會賣好幾億包括我內心在期待過年的時候應該賣好幾億可是他上片的過程非常奇怪一上片全部被所有人罵罵到最後票房巨蛋結束我當然心裡蠻難過可是不表示我們在公布這個片子投資可以否定我們所有文社院投資的所有影片我當時道歉是真的因為他們回收遠遠低於我的想像大概就這樣 |
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謝謝部長你這邊有說道歉是真的那我覺得部長剛剛也講一個重點說真的我上次質詢其實我還算蠻客氣的我沒有把自己個人意見放進去我只是很客觀提出說國發基金加上文化部的補助國家投了一億五千萬在公布這部影片上 |
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你們告訴我回收一千萬我只是很客觀講這個事實所以部長當時就說這是令人傻眼的結果然後他慘賠那你對此道歉今天部長還是維持這個道歉我還是再次肯定你而且部長今天剛講了一段話說真的我在上次質詢很想講但是部長你講了這部電影為什麼今天你會覺得遺憾你會傻眼因為它不只是票房不好 |
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他被人家罵爆了很多人上來就罵他所以我要告訴大家我今天質詢了功夫影片之後我告訴部長啦在外面不管是任何背景的其他的電影的創作人很多都來告訴我說的真好1億5千個國家公帑其實是可以做更好的運用的所以這邊齁我先謝謝部長還維持住你的道歉 |
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但是呢部長其實我希望你不要兩天後說法又不一樣了因為在上次你道歉完之後你在兩天後你在記者會上你在7月4號記者會上說只要保住預算要我說什麼都可以希望大家原諒我說錯話我是希望今天你維持你的道歉 |
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不是因為要保住預算 所以你怎麼說都可以啦我希望不是啦那我也希望說今天部長 我當然知道我可以體諒部長啦 我知道壓力一定很大啦但是部長基本上更應該要去向國人跟尤其我講的是很多的一些影視方面 |
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電影製作 電影導演 不管是新銳或是現有團隊今天嗷嗷逮捕的這些電影團隊文化部要擔當 對他們要有交代這個才是你的本物跟本質那第二個我們講台灣Plus其實7月2號部長也知道嘛你坦承台灣Plus是災難 我當場也肯定部長 |
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那我想請問Town Plus還是災難嗎這個句話要收回了嗎其實前面很多人問過這個問題我也一再解釋我如果重新放回當天剛剛委員你也放了那一段我說Town Plus怎麼形成的在一個什麼情況下形成然後被搬來搬去外籍記者其實我講的這個 |
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所遇到的這個挑戰就是講這一段也許我用您剛剛講那個字眼稍微重了一點可是我還是承認我們所面臨的問題是相同的而且我們講完之後就花很多時間就開始要改變而且從去年年中到現在我們已經改變了很多其實我那一天是花了90%的時間在講我們怎麼改 |
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如果只停留在那些字眼上會有點誤會我都全部否定所以才會有兩天之後我覺得我好像我的語言有點傷到這個所有努力工作的人所以我就跟努力工作的人道歉但是不表示我前面講的話是想騙預算我覺得不是好謝謝部長的澄清但部長請我們如果位置交換一下我講講我的感受你聽聽看因為7月2號 |
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你第一個你願意面對今天功夫慘賠的這個狀況你向國人道歉那你也針對TIME PLUS你認為是一個當時的用詞是災難所以你說要進行改革那我當然也當下就肯定部長可是部長你在7月4號那段話坦白講在我聽起來就好像是為了保住預算騙我 |
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我的感受啦 那你今天要澄清很好所以我看到這個新聞其實我是有點詫異的坦白跟部長說因為我覺得我在7月2號的時候的這個預算審查過程當中我感受到的部長是針對文化部的政策你是十彌圖其未遠啦你知道有些方向錯有些做法錯了但是還來得及改 |
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知來者之可追你覺得還是可以去做改變所以你願意承認過去的錯誤然後希望能夠未來提出徹徑的一個方向跟方式可是7月4號你的記者會就讓我聽起來好像變成是意識手段好像是一個權宜之計好像是在騙我的我自己是有這個感受但是我還是要跟部長提醒一件事情就是說 |
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我認為部長很多東西我覺得今天還是要踩住你身為部長的一個最根本的責任線上就像說在立法院其實嚴格來講為了保住預算說什麼都可以這句話基本邏輯其實是不對的為什麼呢因為立法院按照憲法我們有審查預算的憲政的職責他其實 |
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是在保護我們的民眾的納稅錢能夠得到最佳的運用所以才會有立法院上面我們針對預算我們提出來的看法所以作為文化部部長你當然要為你的政策乃至於預算辯護這點我可以理解但是並不是為了保住預算什麼話都可以說這一點我相信現在的部長你應該也不認同這句話吧沒錯吧 |
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我想我是語言上的有點勿思啦因為我覺得為了保住預算我什麼都可以說那一刻你應該想我的心情嘛因為那天早上為了要刪除那個沒宣費給講的一個上午那我真的很希望大家對文社院還有對Telom Plus多一點鼓勵嘛 |
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那我也願意檢討我其實一直是一個改革者我非常誠實的面對那剛剛講到說我什麼都可以你可以想像我不太可能在為了保護預算去罵我的父母親吧這個語言本身不會是無限制的膨脹我想只是一種形容我為了捍衛文化部剩下不多的預算的那一種捍衛的心情而已我並不是真的想要欺騙 |
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立法院 我覺得那天我審完預算走出來被訪問的時候 我還說除了審查預算之外 我個人從委員身上得到了很多建議因為 |
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文化工作本來就是一棒教一棒所以我能夠聽到大家給我的意見一些缺點我真的在有限時間內會希望趕快改變這一點我希望藉由今天那個機會從我1980開始工作到現在我始終是一個改革者但是我心很軟 |
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我心真的很軟因為我覺得我這話是不是又傷害到員工了所以其實這兩件事情基本上它不是衝突的而且我也不是真的要騙預算你現在看我怎麼騙嘛我怎麼騙得過預算這個語言上我覺得我是不妥當啦但是我的心情是一樣的部長我這樣講啦基本上我就再相信你一次嘛 |
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我再相信一次就是措辭不當可是回到我們今天政策的本身我覺得還是要很多東西要把話講清楚第一個你維持你的道歉這件事情我覺得我接受我還是一樣保持那時候態度的肯定我直接講功夫就是一個被很多人覺得真的是表現不好的電影賣座也不好政府投資慘賠這是三大鐵證 鐵事實 |
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那文化部也不能說今天我有的投資成功 有的投資失敗這也不是個謝詞 |
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更何況我相信羅廷偉召委其實也列舉細數過我們今天文策院的相關的投資到底報酬率是如何這都是讓大家公平當然另外一方面你也可以講說報酬不是衡量的唯一標準但是社會怎麼公平那是社會當然去看的那另外台灣Plus的部分我覺得部長的說法跟上次還是有一點點差距但是我還是要提醒部長 |
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事實上台灣plus的混亂真的不是我一個人在講你也知道我講過了監察院也有意見立法院預算中心也有意見省紀部也有意見國民黨立委也有意見連民進黨立委都有人有意見我們要不是因為得到很多外界不分藍綠對於台灣plus這個災難的意見我今天也不需要拿來質詢部長所以 |
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你知道問題的嚴重性,就不需要去粉飾那知道問題錯在哪裡,承認錯誤還是最好的方式啦你承認錯誤才知道改變的方向啊我舉個例子,就像我們那位總編輯說他是副執行長,我不講,部長我直接跟你講啦那他就當副執行長,專職副執行長,就不要當總編輯啦 |
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那當總編輯副司長就讓別人做啦我不相信找不到有人可以到美國去幫台灣Plus去談在美國的合作的事情這件事情其實沒什麼好爭辯的因為真沒潛力啦部長你是文化界的人我相信你對媒體也很了解對不對我其實一直在處理跟新聞作業有關的政府的窗口嘛 |
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所以我真的也是沒見過一個總編輯可以在國外海外工作在時差剛好完全相反的情況之下可以去主持編採會議然後去決定整個編輯部行政事務的事情所以這件事情其實我今天早上有聽相關的質詢我還是給部長一個建議啦不對就改成說下次不會再有這種事情啦這位總編輯你要叫他回去寫檢討報告都好啦 |
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真的不需要為了他 今天部長沒有這個必要為了這樣的一個總編 坦白講我真的是覺得這位總編輯 我覺得自己要反省你怎麼可以讓這種事情讓你的長官去接受社會大眾的責難你當初提這個要求就不對批示到 批復到部長這邊來的公事 相關的主管今天竟然准這件事情就是不對這叫common sense ABC |
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那今天大家上來罵李遠部長說這個李遠部長你也是間接而已啊那個所謂的海外派你又不是你批的可是問題來了啊政策是文化部的政策啊所以在政策裡面光這一點出錯態度就是勇於檢討跟反省嘛那我也跟部長拜託一件事情我們辦公室要求光這一件事情檢討報告 |
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到現在也是呼嚨我啊你們告訴我就請我們這位偉大的總編輯你自己告訴大家舉一個例子哪一個總編輯可以做到你這個樣子海外工作三個月你舉個例子給我聽就好啦所以不管是今天功夫的投資或TimePlus這個事情上 |
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我坦白跟部長講啦 今天我的質詢稿其實寫蠻多的啊 等於一開始你就承認說 你說道歉 你是依然是沒有改變那你在台灣Plus你要去盯緊他去改革這件事 立場你也沒改變所以我的質詢稿很多東西不用用了啦但是我希望今天出去之後 兩天後我不會聽到另外一個記者會跟我講說 部長又說你又說錯話了不要一直說錯話 這對部長也不好 以上 謝謝部長謝謝委員的指教 謝謝 |
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谢谢委员今天登记的咨询委员均已发表完毕询答结束对委员咨询时要求提供相关资料未及时答复的请相关机关尽速以书面答复另外由委员傅坤祺、林义景、谢荣介提出书面咨询列入记录刊登公报并请相关机关以书面答复报告委员会今日议程处理完毕现在散会 |
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謝謝觀看,下次見! |