| IVOD_ID |
17593 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17593 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T08:33:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T14:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:21:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbb98241217e75b9f35053dd4655fba3456d94474d9c748abc101086884f23a2c75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查：
一、 115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。
二、 115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金及核能發電後端營運基金。(處理)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:55 - 14:55:00 |
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字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |
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感谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 我們現在會議開始請主祕報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員五人以足法定人數 |
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好 我們現在開會進行報告事項 請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議事錄時間115年7月8日星期三9時至11時21分地點紅樓101會議室出席人謝玉鳳等14人列席人賴慧媛等10人列席人員經濟部部長龔明新國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴外交部政務次次長陳明齊僑委員會副委員長李延慧大陸委員會副主任委員林益臻等主席召集委員邱志偉 |
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八事項一 宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定二 邀請經濟部部長國家發展委員會主任委員外交部首長橋委員會首長大陸委員會首長財政部首長金融監督管理委員會首長內政部首長就協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導策略進行報告並被質詢三 邀請經濟部部長就全國電力資源供需報告進行報告並被質詢八事項 |
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包治將合併詢答經濟部部長龔明興、國家發展委員會副主任委員高千貴、外交部政務次長陳明祺、僑委委員會副委員長李延慧及大陸委員會副主任委員李立貞報告後,委員謝業鳳等12人提出質詢,經由經濟部部長龔明興等及其答覆。 |
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決定一登記方案委員除不在場者外區域均已發言完畢訊達結束二委員鄭振銓、洪玉祥、邱熹穎、陳昌明及何新淳所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會委員另有要求期限者從其鎖定散會訊達完畢 |
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好因為我們現在開會同仁意義人數還不足接下來我們繼續進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項繼續審查 |
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本日議程排定審查115年度台電公司台廠公司預算及經濟部附屬單位預算費營業部分我們分別於5月20號及第44次會議及6月17日第18次會議均已詢答完畢現在依序進行審查 |
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依據預算法第50條相關規定 照業務計劃 業務收支 卸繳公庫金額轉投資計劃 固定資產之建設改良擴充國庫增補基金額及補辦預算等逐項審查特別收入基金部分 照業務計劃 基金來源用途局於錯 |
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細腳工庫等級補辦預算等逐項審查現在請一併宣讀今日審查項目與委員提案宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商 |
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115年度中央政府總預算案經濟部主管附屬單位預算營業部分台灣糖業股份有限公司業務計畫請參閱業務總收入367億8768萬9千元業務總支出307億8720萬元稅前淨利60億零48萬9千元生產 |
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生產成本請參閱轉投資計畫減少投資4億7460萬8000元重大資建設事業10億1518萬7000元資金運用請參閱補辦預算無劣數提案部分產銷第一案產銷營運計畫環境保護凍結300萬元濫用等提案第二案 |
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勞工安全衛生支出凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第三案凍結200萬元邱毅英等人提案第四案 |
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營業外收入處分投資性不動產利益 增列2億元 讓利用等人提案 第五案服務費用凍結1% 卸一份等人提案 第六案凍結1% 卸一份等人提案 第七案凍結1% 卸一份等人提案 第八案服務費用向下專業服務費減列100萬元 凍結500萬元 讓利用等人提案 第九案 |
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營業成本續職事業部續職加工廠凍結300萬元陳亭飛等人提案第十案銷售成本製造費用砂糖製造費用向下暫存包裝代理及加工費凍結100萬元陳超明等人提案 |
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第十一案製造費用向下租資製造費用向下暫除包裝代理及加工費凍結百分之二十陳超明等人提案第十二案再生能源發電減列兩千萬元凍結五千萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十三案凍結三百萬元邱毅英等人提案第十四案勞務成本向下加工費用向下服務費用減列百分之十楊瓊英等人提案第十五案勞務成本向下服務費用遊樂事業 |
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1906.599 |
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服務費用凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第16案服務勞務成本向下服務費用飯店旅館凍結2500萬洪玉祥等人提案第17案向下服務費用凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第18案營業 |
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1935.696 |
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費用升值事業凍結1500萬元洪玉祥等人提案 第19案 續職事業凍結2000萬元洪玉祥等人提案 第20案 行銷費用減列5000萬元陳昌明等人提案 第21案 凍結500萬元邱益穎等人提案第22案 行銷費用服務費用向減列10%楊求英等人提案 第23案 行銷費用向下推展費凍結1500萬元洪玉祥等人提案 第24案 管理費用向下服務費用凍結10%楊求英等人提案 |
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1936.216 |
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1948.203 |
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第25案凍結100萬元李玉玲等人提案第26案其他營業費用向下研究發展費用凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第27案營業外費用減列2000萬元陳昌明等人提案第28案減列100萬元凍結500萬元賴若龍等人提案第29案凍結200萬元邱毅英等人提案第30案其他營業外費用向下停工損失凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案 |
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1961.03 |
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第31案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第32案凍結300萬元邱毅英等人提案第33案向下服務費用向下修理保養與保固費凍結100萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案第34案固定資產建設改良擴充向下高雄橋中建屋出租投資計劃凍結5000萬元陳超明等人提案第35案凍結300萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第36案至78案主決議請參閱 |
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1991.035 |
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2007.707 |
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台灣電力股份有限公司業務計畫請參閱營業總收入一兆零二十三億六千兩百七十五萬六千元營業總支出一兆零三百零三億八千六百三十八萬一千元稅前淨損兩百八十億兩千三百六十二萬五千元 |
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2008.127 |
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2014.432 |
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生產成本請參閱轉投資計畫增加投資37億0439萬5000元重大資建設事業2611億4288萬2000元資金運用請參閱補辦預算無劣數提案部分第一案勞工安全衛生凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第二案服務費用 |
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2030.463 |
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第四案第五案第六案第七案第八案第九案 |
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2050.083 |
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2058.467 |
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媒體政策及業務宣導費減列20% 楊瓊英等人提案 第10案減列1000萬元 凍結2000萬元 洪玉祥等人提案第11案服務費用有關再生能源發電費用凍結10% 楊瓊英等人提案 輸電費第12案輸電費用減列10% 楊瓊英等人提案第13案配電費用減列10% 楊瓊英等人提案 第14案材料及用品費凍結8000萬元 謝一鳳等人提案 第15案使用材料費 |
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2080.703 |
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2095.005 |
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像發電用燃料凍結一千萬元邱毅英等人提案第十二案凍結八百萬元陳廷飛等人提案第十七案向下燃煤減劣百分之二十楊瓊英等人提案第十八案商品向下購入電力 |
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2095.863 |
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2115.268 |
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風力部分 簡列20億5500萬元 楊瓊怡等人提案 第19案購入電力太陽光電凍結3億元 洪玉祥等人提案 第20案購入電力其他再生能源凍結2億元 洪玉祥等人提案 第21案營業成本向下 銷售成本向下 再生能源發電 |
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2116.884 |
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2140.528 |
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費用減劣10%楊瓊英等人提案 第二十二案營業費用向下管理費用凍結10%楊瓊英等人提案第二十三案營業成本向下銷售成本向下火力發電費用向下稅捐及歸費向下碳費凍結3億元李玉玲等人提案 第二十四案再生能源發電費用凍結1億元洪玉祥等人提案 第二十五案 |
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2141.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2159.392 |
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向下服務費用專業服務費凍結500萬元邱毅寅等人提案第26案銷售成本向下再生能源發電費用折舊及攤銷折舊費凍結500萬元邱毅寅等人提案第27案銷售成本向下購入電力凍結2%陳昌明等人提案第28案輸電費用凍結5%蔡毅宇等人提案第29案凍結1億元呂玉玲等人提案第30案 |
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2167.915 |
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2185.559 |
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配電費用凍結1億元旅運等人提案第31案其他營業成本向下服務費用减列10%羊球營等人提案第32案業務費用向下服務費減列10%羊球營等人提案第33案管理費用向下服務費用減列10%羊球營等人提案 |
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2186.079 |
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2191.581 |
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第34案凍結20%楊瓊英等人提案第35案凍結100萬元李玉玲等人提案第36案向下專業服務費凍結500萬元邱毅英等人提案第37案其他營業費用向下研究發展費用凍結10%蔡玉玲等人提案 |
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2201.825 |
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2224.554 |
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第38案向下服务费用向下专业服务费向下委托研究调查费冻结1700万中嘉宾等人提案第39案税捐局规费冻结1000万元李玉玲等人提案第40案营业外费用向下利息费用冻结1亿元洪玉祥等人提案第41案其他营业外费用向下资产 |
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2225.194 |
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2251.641 |
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爆費損失 凍結1000萬元商家郡等人提案 第四十二案實項費用向下核四資產維護管理 凍結一億元洪義祥等人提案第四十三案固定資產建設改良擴充向下專案計劃 凍結三億元李玉玲等人提案 第四十四案凍結兩億元李玉玲等人提案第四十五案繼續計劃一大潭電廠增建燃氣複循環機組發電計劃 二 |
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2255.172 |
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2256.653 |
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1.協和電廠更新改建計畫2. |
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2256.653 |
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2258.655 |
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新達電廠燃氣機組更新改建計畫3. |
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2258.655 |
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2259.235 |
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台中電廠興建燃氣機組計畫4. |
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2259.235 |
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2260.816 |
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通宵電廠第二期更新改建計畫5. |
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2260.816 |
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2263.458 |
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大陵電廠燃氣機組更新改建計畫6. |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2263.458 |
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2264.819 |
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台中電廠第二期興建燃氣機組計畫 |
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2279.059 |
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2295.479 |
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新兴计划8新达电厂第二期更新改建计划冻结11亿元洪玉祥等人提案第46案协和电厂更新改建计划冻结10%陈超明等人提案第47案新达电厂燃气机组更新改建计划 |
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2296.079 |
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2302.923 |
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凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第48案凍結100萬元呂玉玲等人提案第49案大林電廠燃氣機組更新改建計劃凍結30%陳昌明等人提案第50案大甲溪光明抽蓄水力發電計劃 |
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2312.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2325.738 |
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凍結百分之二十陳超明等人提案第五十一案離岸風力發電第二期計劃凍結百分之十陳超明等人提案第五十二案凍結五億元洪玉祥等人提案第五十三案凍結兩百萬元邱志偉等人提案第五十四案離岸風電發電 |
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2339.253 |
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第二期計畫向下房屋及建築維運中心興建工程凍結300萬元邱毅英等人提案第55案離岸風力發電加強電力網第一期計畫 |
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2342.432 |
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2351.315 |
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凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第56案強化電網第一期專案計劃凍結5億元洪玉祥等人提案第57案凍結1%曾天才等人提案第58案第一期低壓AMI部件計劃凍結500萬元洪玉祥等人提案第59案凍結500萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第60案一般建築及設備計劃向下其他發電設備 |
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2367.18 |
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2390.51 |
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凍結1億元呂玉玲等人提案第61案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第62案凍結1%呂玉玲等人提案第63案無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫凍結400萬元邱志偉等人提案第64案資金轉投資向下台灣汽電共生股份有限公司凍結5億元洪玉祥等人提案第65案到132案主決議請參議 |
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2394.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2400.67 |
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非營業部分經濟作業基金業務計劃請參閱業務總收入91億1345萬9千元業務總支出81億0864萬6千元本期剩餘10億0481萬3千元結繳公庫金額2718萬6千元轉投資計劃無劣數固定資產建設改良擴充28億60112萬5千元 |
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2420.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2424.937 |
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國庫增波基金基金額60億元水資源作業基金業務計劃請參與業務總收入100億 |
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2430.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2452.814 |
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零二百一十五萬九千元業務總支出一百一十五億七千三百一十七萬八千元本期短處十五億七千一百零一萬九千元結繳供庫金額無劣數轉投資計劃無劣數固定資產建設改良擴充三十三億六千四百二十萬六千元國庫增撥金額十三億一千六百三十七萬兩千元 |
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2454.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2459.181 |
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經濟特別收入基金 業務計畫請參閱基金來源317億7,849萬1千元基金用途306億8,784萬3千元本期剩餘10億9,064萬8千元 結繳公庫無劣數 |
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2468.972 |
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2497.249 |
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核能发电后端营运基金业务计划请参阅基金来源60亿1627万5000元基金用途97亿3308万1000元本期短处37亿1680万6000元结缴公布无链数提案部分第一案服务费用专业服务费冻结1%谢一凤等人提案第二案会费捐助补助分摊救助剂与交流活动费冻结1%谢一凤等人提案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2511.59 |
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第三案 業務成本與費用向下 勞務成本向下 管理成本向下 服務費用凍結10% 羊球營等人提案第四案 向下專業服務費凍結5000萬元 鋁鈴等人提案第五案 固定資產建設改良擴充高雄軟體園區第二園區第一棟大樓興建計劃凍結20% 陳昌明等人提案 第六案 |
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2523.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2529.507 |
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產業科科技產業園區風華在線計劃凍結20%陳昌明等人提案第7案凍結100萬元陳廷飛等人提案產業園區開發管理基金向下第8案媒體政策及業務宣導費凍結150萬元陳昌明等人提案第9案勞務成本向下 |
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2545.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2569.234 |
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服務成本向下水電費凍結5%陳昌明等人提案第十案投融資業務成本凍結1%呂玉玲等人提案第十一案管理及總務費用減劣10%楊求英等人提案第十二案凍結10%楊求英等人提案第十三案凍結200萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第十四案管理及總務費用向下服務費用向下專業服務費向下委託調查研究費向下園區開發專案 |
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2574.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2597.891 |
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執行計劃凍結250萬元中嘉賓等人提案第15案凍結250萬元中嘉賓等人提案第16案園區跨區低碳轉型整合推動計劃凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第17案一般建築及設備計劃辦理配合台商回台土地需求中南部產業園區開發方案凍結20%陳昌明等人提案第18案到55案主決議請參閱 |
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2604.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2618.4 |
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第水資源作業基金56案給水銷貨成本向下專業服務費凍結500萬元洪玉祥等人提案第57案土石消費成本減列1000萬元陳廷飛等人提案第58案 |
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2620.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2628.744 |
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管理及總務費用向下服務費用減列10%楊瓊英等人提案第59案凍結1000萬元呂一玲等人提案第60案降下專業服務費凍結150萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案第61案固定資產建設改良擴充減列1000萬元陳廷飛等人提案第62案一般建築及設備計劃凍結10%楊瓊英等人提案63案至72案主決議請參閱 |
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2647.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2662.524 |
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貿易推廣基金第73案規費收入向下行政規費收入增列200萬元張家俊等人提案第74案貿易推廣工作計劃凍結1%洪玉祥等人提案第75案凍結1000萬元邱志偉等人提案第76案凍結140萬元陳廷飛等人提案第77案向下服務費向下旅運費減列10%楊瓊瑛等人提案 |
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2670.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2687.644 |
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第七十八案檢列一百萬元凍結三百五十萬元耐用等人提案第七十九案凍結三百萬元邱志偉等人提案第八十案向下專業服務費凍結百分之十楊秋英等人提案第八十一案凍結一百萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案第八十二案其他專業服務費向下委辦 |
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2690.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2706.605 |
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委托办理会展计划冻结两千万元李玉玲等人提案第83案冻结一百万元赖瑞龙等人提案第84案委托办理战略性高科技货品管制作业计划冻结10%张家俊等人提案第85案 |
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2707.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2728.156 |
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媒體政策及業務宣導費凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案第86案凍結1%謝易鳳等人提案第87案推展費凍結1%謝易鳳等人提案第88案能源研究發展工作計劃凍結5%陳昌明等人提案第89案向下服務費向下專業服務費凍結3億元洪玉祥等人提案 |
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2728.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2734.36 |
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第90案凍結10%楊瓊瑛等人提案第91案凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第92案凍結300萬元陳廷飛等人提案第93案凍結150萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第94案 |
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2742.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2766.603 |
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委託調查研究費向下科技計劃向下能源政策及氣候變遷減緩決策計劃二我國能源我國能源部門淨零轉型推動及能源部門因應氣候變遷調適管理機制建構與推動凍結10%張家俊的人提案第95案其他專業服務費向下推動 |
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2768.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2773.426 |
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產業獎勵計畫凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案 第96案凍結5%邱映英等人提案 第97案媒體政策及業務宣導費凍結1%謝亦鳳等人提案 第98案會費捐助補助分攤照護救濟與交流活動費向下捐助補助與獎助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
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向下科技計劃凍結1%謝易鳳等人提案第99案政府儲油石油開發及技術研究計劃凍結1%洪玉祥等人提案第100案向下服務費用凍結10%楊瓊英等人提案第101案向下專業服務費凍結3億元洪玉祥等人提案第102案向下 |
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委託調查研究費向下科技計劃凍結1%謝依鳳等人提案第103案其他專業服務費向下定製型燃料電池發電系統擴大獎勵推動凍結500萬元宗家兵等人提案第104案媒體政策及業務宣導費凍結1%謝依鳳等人提案第105案會費捐助補助分攤照護救濟與交流活動費向下捐助 |
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補助與獎勵向下科技儲能補助凍結5%邱毅英等人提案第106案凍結1%洪玉祥等人提案第107案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第108案凍結500萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案第109案補協助政府機關購 |
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電動機車產業環境加值補助 凍結120萬元陳亭飛等人提案 第110案家戶屋頂設置太陽光電加速計劃補助 凍結500萬元洪玉祥等人提案第111案再生能源推動計劃凍結10%陳昌明等人提案 第112案凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案 第113案向下服務 |
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服務費用凍結10%楊瓊瑩等人提案第114案凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第115案凍結100萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第116案向下專業服務費凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案第117案向下委託調查研究費向下科技計劃凍結200萬元呂一玲等人提案 |
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第118案會費捐助補助分攤照護救濟與交流活動費向下補助太陽光電模組回收處理業務凍結500萬元洪玉祥等人提案第119案中小企業發展計劃凍結10%陳昌明等人提案第122案凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第121案凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案第122案鄉下服務費用凍結 |
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第123案 凍結100萬元耐用等人提案第124案 向下專業服務費凍結3億元 洪玉祥等人提案第125案 其他專業服務費凍結1% 謝一鳳等人提案 |
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126案至187案 主決議請參閱188案 低放射性廢棄物處理及儲存計劃 檢列100萬元 凍結300萬元 耐用等人提案第189案 低放射性廢棄物最終處置計劃 凍結100萬元陳廷飛等人提案第190案 即向下 |
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服務費用向下專業服務費向下委託調查研究費減列100萬元凍結150萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第191案服務費用向下一般服務費凍結500萬元陳昌明等人提案第192案用過核子燃料儲存計劃減列10%楊瓊英等人提案193案減列1000萬元凍結1000萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第194案減列300萬元陳廷飛等人提案第195案 |
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建構固定資產、無形資產、非理財、木地資、長期投資及銀社與設施工程支出向下構築 |
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構建固定資產凍結20%陳昌明等人提案第196案用過核子燃料最終處置計劃凍結減列300萬元凍結500萬元任用等人提案第197案向下委託調查研究費凍結5000萬元陳昌明等人提案第198案核子設施 |
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除役拆廠及其廢棄物處理及最終處置計劃檢列1億元凍結1億元耐用等人提案第199案向下服務費用向下專業服務費凍結5億元洪玉祥等人提案200案向下工程及管理諮詢服務費檢列5000萬元凍結5000萬元陳昌明等人提案201案至203案主決議請參閱宣布完畢 |
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好 剛好人數委員同仁出席 大家三人那請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有沒有錯誤沒有沒有錯誤 議事錄確定那我們在場的人有邱益穎委員 鍾嘉斌委員我們列席的機關首長首先我們這個經濟部常務處長賴建信國民事業管理司司長胡文忠會計處處長王雅琳 |
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產業環境管理局局長楊志勤水利署署長林元鵬國貿署副署長胡啟軒能源署署長吳志偉中小及新創企業署署長李冠志台電公司董事長曾文森總經理郭天和副總經理蔡志夢 |
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副總經理 王韻淳副總經理 鄭慶紅副總經理 陳明樹副總經理 孫宇華副總經理 吳敬忠副總經理 專業總工程師 張晗熙專業總管理師 黃美蓮 |
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還有一個誰 副總經理徐永輝對不起 沒看到好 再來的話是大計處處長湯惠蓮然後專業總管理師黃美蓮 |
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再來台堂董事長吳明昌副總經理蔡東林副總經理蕭基淵副總經理胡崇年副總經理曾建戰會計處處長黃俊祥行政院主計總處基金運算處科長王佩珊好那另外其他一些列席人員在隔壁的會議室 |
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好那我們現在進行台灣公司的一個預算的協商 |
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好我們先從這個業務計畫前面三個提案那第一個提案的話呢那任委員該主決議那第二個提案邱志偉委員該主決議提案三的話邱奕穎委員該主決議那邱委員在場有沒有什麼特別意見沒有好 |
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好那因為我們這前面三個都是改組決議所以預算照列接下來我們看這個營業總收入提案四那賴業王委員的話提案改組決議所以這個是預算照列 |
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我們進行這個營業總支出分別我們從第第五到第八項這邊開始營業總支出提案五 謝一芬委員改組決議提案六 謝一芬委員改組決議提案七 謝一芬委員改組決議提案八 賴若龍委員改組決議接下來我們進行九到十七 |
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陳廷飛委員 沒在場 再來提案10 陳昌明委員改組決議提案11 陳昌明委員改組決議提案13的話 崔穎委員改組決議提案15 陳昌明委員改組決議提案17 陳昌明委員改組決議我有12跟16 請台堂說明 |
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主席那個第12案最主要就是說因為早期發電現在豬場還在改建所以未達成量的運轉我們豬場改建的話那個早期發電的話投入那個臭味劑那個 |
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的處理作為把它削減或是翻轉那個零幣那個印象所以這個就是說改建好了以後我們這個一定會會去運作那希望那個委員給我們支持這張計畫或者後面的那個要找計畫面沒有辦法處理好在第 |
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第16案的部分那最主要是在那個台南長榮飯店那因為 |
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這7年增加2400間的房間有10家的飯店競爭非常的激烈當然那個長榮飯店就是我們台糖的長榮飯店我們也有那個remodeling兩層已經remodel完成那很受客戶的歡迎但是我們繼續要那個 |
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所以那個一個有點下降但是我們會積極去去處理啊那當然那個費用比方說那個時薪的增加調整那通膨的影響以至於那個績效有一點那個有一點那個 |
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成本增加的現象齁但是我們會一起來客宿會增加齁那市場能量購買也會增加這個部分也請委員給我們支持齁那再過來是第18案齁那我們今天到17案而已所以你只要回答12 16然後接下來我們請邱委員邱議員 |
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好 謝謝主席這個董事長我想請您再說明一下你剛剛講到我們的第我跟主席的12 13案你們的這個發電成本的部分尤其早期發電你們那個租舍改建到底什麼時候可以蓋好 |
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你那個整個工程已經延宕很久了耶對阿到底什麼時候可以起好報告委員齁那個最主要就是說那個我們就是同胞阿同胞那個那個廠商齁就對於下他的下報廠商齁他沒有辦法控制所以我們就是在那個扣 |
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那個要扣款的部分也到20%當然有些部分就是說他沒有做好我們錢是沒有辦法給他的啦因為給他那像什麼但我們是這樣希望你說的這個我都知道啦當然沒有做好錢不能給他我現在問你的是說工廠什麼時候會好啦 |
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你到底有在控管嗎?當時電話很多啊 每年來都跟我說地條蓋不太好蓋一個地條蓋這麼久蓋不太好那個 報告員齁什麼早氣發電能源轉型到底什麼時候蓋會好啦 我是要問你這個問題啦你給我一個明確的答案就好那個99%當然是適應 因為注射一定要適應應齁那OK才可以驗收齁 那個 |
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我想所以你現在的進度是多少是99%所以現在在試營運大部分在試營運了你剛剛說沒蓋好沒有 |
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那我們要驗收才可以驗收跟沒蓋好是兩個不同的事情喔啊到底是有蓋好還是沒蓋好還是沒驗收在那個試營那個試營的時候有缺失還要去改進啊那你就講說你們在試營運嘛還在試驗當中嘛還沒有驗收嘛不是沒蓋好嘛是 委員 |
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我想今天因為經濟委員會我們省台塘的預算剛好經濟部長官也在這裡也趁這個機會多次跟台塘表示我跟邱委員都很關心台塘的養豬事業畢竟這個是一個國安的糧食安全產業 |
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所以國家必須要有國營事業親自來能夠掌握我們國內的毛豬的生產對我們糧食的安定很有幫助那剛剛委員在關心的是前段就是什麼時候投產啊你現在說市營運那這樣聽了之後呢99%的進度啊我們稍微可以在預期近期內就可以看到台糖呢來復養 |
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但是復養之後呢還是要提醒經濟部啊台糖畢竟是國營事業要有國營事業的楷模示範效果那目前這幾個廠會投入那麼多的巨資也是因為我們的前行政院長蘇院長非常同重視也非常支持那也多次的去看那本席也都陪同去看那現在呢我們在前端的部分你們用了很多的比較先進的設備對其他國內的養豬農 |
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來講呢這是一個很好的示範但是但是有一個要提醒經濟部跟台糖的董事長因為台糖的毛豬飼養量佔我們全國的將近4%到5%那麼以這個規模來講我們主要要在後端的部分什麼是後端後端就是必死豬的化質後端就是他的豬分量的排放那豬分量排放你們有做改進了 |
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那就是必死豬的部分還有還有一個源頭我講的是最後面跟最前面最前面要給豬吃什麼那最近呢我們農業部有一個循環原料飼料的管理辦法這個你們要趕快的去follow那也拜託經濟部我知道雖然賴次長本身負責業務啊在這個部分呢可能要做一個跨部位的合作農業部現在很用心 |
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它的這個對於我們國內為了防範非洲豬瘟對於養豬飼料的來源都進行了嚴格的管控那現在過去傳統習慣用所謂的植物性殘渣跟動物性殘渣過去呢由農民豬農自己來使用那我不知道台糖有沒有用這種植物性殘渣跟動物性殘渣但是未來基於糧食的韌性你們應該把這樣的循環原料飼料納為台糖未來養豬事業一個重要的 |
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飼料來源 飼料的來源那最好經濟部能夠率先跟農業部合作去推動這些示範性的循環原料飼料的建廠因為目前國內的濕式跟乾式才目前在進行當中但是由於民間對於新式的東西比較望而卻步國營世界如果帶頭來做將會是對民間的養殊是一個很好的示範也是鼓勵他們來做轉型 |
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那至於後端的壁死豬的化製全國目前有13座化製廠那其中的3座就在屏東那這個部分分攤到我們的飼養量以台糖本身的規模就應該要有一個化製廠的量來處理你們台糖的壁死豬那這個目前為止經濟部跟台糖並沒有明確的要去規劃這種壁死豬的療程你養豬不是我們消費者吃的是健康的豬但是這過程當中那些壁死豬要處理 |
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那現在處理的部分呢都是拖到民間的化智場去處理那因為化智場呢我們他們在環境上的要被要求的一些防止污染的措施呢都要官方很用力的去執行監督環境機關去監督那我們希望經濟部跟農業部這邊配合台糖率先示範能夠將這個台糖以自己的規模不是說只燒台糖那個養的豬啦 |
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就是你們的生產量已經到達了需要有類似一座化智廠的產能了那你們可以跟化智廠產生一個聯合的機制其他的必死豬其他廠也可以送到你們專屬的化智廠來你們的其他的豬也可以送到其他的化智廠去這個部分台堂是不是會請主席讓經濟部的次長稍微 |
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回應本席的要求 我們省預算的時候就很難得 省預算就可以來要求這些國營事業能夠做這些事情 但國營事業都說這要看經濟部啊 經濟部的政策啊是不是我們請次長也稍微回應一下 拜託主席你要等 邱委員邱邱志偉委員有先那個養豬的這個飼料 現在還是用廚餘嗎 |
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沒有沒有沒有用廚餘我們沒有是用哪種飼料玉米那個還有豆粉為基準完全沒有用廚餘沒有台坦沒有用廚餘所以所有的你們養豬事業都是用那你們飼料成本大概多少錢飼料成本飼料超14塊 |
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總額啦 就編多少預算那跟那個養頭數有關係現在是最少的時候現在是17萬左右然後到最多的是可能五十幾萬所以跟養頭數在養的那個數量是有關係的你待會再給我一個數據就是說你們那個編列這個養豬的這個飼料的這個預算是多少好謝謝 請次長回答 總嘉賓委員 |
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感謝委員的指導首先委員會三個委員的指導意見有關於台糖養豬場的部分其實第一期的部分都已經在做試營運第二期的部分廠體都蓋好了那有一些是處理的設施或者是電路的設施或是命板的一些設施現在在做所以台糖公司預計大概今年年底大概就可以去進駐了 |
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台南進駐的時候事實上對我們全國的肉餅市場是有很大的幫助的那第二點總委員所提到的促進循環經濟的部分確實這個需要我們跟跨部會來協作特別是環境部的部分因為台南公司在過去的循環經濟裡面不管是從台南的這些園區其實都有在做但是基本上台南從 |
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飼料還有包括是這個所謂的糞便的一個處理包括高廠的一些的處理那今天的提案是針對於是早期的發電的這個部分這個部分也是有所幫忙所以這個部分經濟部絕對會督促台糖公司然後台糖公司若是有痛點的話我們很願意來跟其他跨部位來進行相關的協作的一個狀況 |
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那之外邱委員所提到飼料的問題那台糖這幾年雖然說養豬的數量投數在降低但是台糖也努力在做生產成本的一個降低比如說是分批採購從國外進口的這個玉米那除此之外從國內的這個部分也盡量跟農糧署用本土性的材料若干是要添加是糙米 |
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來取代所謂的玉米的這個部分來降低我們的生產成本那本次的這個提案確實台廠希望有更多一點的這個資源來去進行幫這個豬廠建立豬隻進來的時候它有相關的所謂的早期的這個來源來促進我們所謂早期發電 以上好 我沒關係 |
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好 謝謝市長這個我還是想要問你們這個豬舍跟早氣發電其實是有息息相關嘛 對不對你的整個再生能源的量那現在看起來你們在未來的就是說在115年或者114年的整個再生能源的量是減少的所以我剛才一直要問董事長 |
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你們的這個到底什麼時候會蓋好那你的早氣發電什麼時候會達標或者是說會超越會往前更邁進你的再生能源的配置能夠往前更邁進看起來董事長沒有辦法回答我這個問題 |
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那後面因為我們這個主席剛剛這個是到16、17案再講到那個營業成本你們那個所謂的遊樂事業的部分我上一次質詢的時候我也提到那剛剛董事長只有講到你們怎麼台南的長榮飯店的事情你的台糖所有的遊樂事業的成本跟收益其實相對你所有的整個事業體來講 |
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不高 但是因為你台塘土地範圍大你的很多的遊樂事業其實算是多這樣的收益對台塘來講其實是太少了那很多設備 環境設備的精進的部分我不知道台塘有沒有比較積極的作為還是就是說阿邦這樣啊 阿娜有點到 阿卡來這裡蓋一下我如果點到橋頭 你就去蓋橋頭 |
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如果你點到旗山你就去蓋旗山點到桌子你就去蓋桌子 點到家裡你就去蓋家裡你敢去盤點所有的遊樂設施設備老舊你是不是要讓它更精進才能增加更多的收益你敢去盤點這些東西市長我要請董事長回答市長你先休息 |
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我們是有那個 比如說那個遊樂設施的部分齒上也是有這種現象那是有虧錢的部分那當然像那個公務糖廠那個花蓮糖廠 |
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那個宿舍都弄得不錯但是因為碰到那個地震啊還有這一次的那個所以那個又往下掉這是像天然的事情我們大概就比較沒有辦法控制那像那個珍珊堤這個非常好的地方當然有一些我們是需要需要去去改進啊那非常環境非常好但是我們的成本也非常高比方說我們那個那個府要 |
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那個清衣 清衣藝人就要花我們相當多錢那當然這個是水利署這邊就根本指導說要如何去清衣那當然跟地點是很有關係的啦比方說像我們的那個台北會館那是賺錢的以上我們還是有在攀人在精進當然有的地方可能我們是用那個外包子 |
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的方式來處理 我們也會去商量謝謝你講的賺錢的部分是台北而已嘛台北那個就外包嘛沒有 台北是我們自營喔 |
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台北我們是自營你台北自營可以賺錢 其他的地方為什麼不可以賺錢其他的地方為什麼不可以去 想要外包或是讓民間來經營對你們想辦法賺錢 想辦法增進這個設備你現在說的我都聽不懂 你都沒有回答我的問題我們市長也聽不下去 市長要跟我們說嗎剛剛委員講的盤點的這個工作 |
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這個台糖公司針對於所謂的休閒事業部他有在做一些組織的改革之外那我針對台糖的資產所謂休閒的部分分了幾類一個都市型的剛剛講台北那另外的話是有比較老舊的建築日式的這個社區的比如說像光復糖廠這一類的 |
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然後第三類就是說在地是屬於有觀光資源的比如說是池上或是這個尖山匹的然後第五類最後是說在建的糖廠已經在營運中的糖廠他如何去擴大來去吸引說是觀光遊客的這個部分的工作那我以關乎糖廠為例的話那事實上針對馬太安溪的之後他確實是因為這個來客量有所減少 |
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但是最近經過政府各部會的這個復建之後關乎糖廠它已經整修好很好的這個Villa其實據我了解其實在今年的這個暑假現在大部分都是這個入住率都還蠻高的那因為台糖有這一些的珍貴的一些的資源比如說像虎尾糖廠的部分那虎尾糖廠的話台糖公司就是有跟日本鐵道公司去 |
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還有英國的公司去簽訂了合作那期待是未來湖北糖廠它是一個可以跨域除了再建生產毯之外用糖的事業把湖北的這個老的元素來吸引所有我們國人來進行到這個地方遊去的這個作為那整體的面向大概是從這個方向來努力 |
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我再跟委員報告一下那我們是有在判斷而且我們是不只跟國內的廠商在聯繫接洽判斷也是跟國外的比方說以那個高雄來講高雄所有的飯店包括Intercontinental日野行等之類的還有那個萬豪都虧錢的只有誠意是賺錢的 |
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我們會說知道就是我們有在我們是很用心的在做這樣的那個那個判斷 當然那個像 |
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誠意是那個高雄市政府蓋的然後誠意他們去包的這他們賺 其他都虧錢你講這個跟你的關係是什麼誠意跟你台廠的關係是什麼我的意思是我們有用心去review去study這些case不是沒有因為相關的行業我們是要去進行 |
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你再說你自己的就好了啊你說高雄這麼多飯店都虧錢啊當成藝探險啊成藝跟你台湯的連結是什麼成藝若是你台湯去做的啊你跟我說你探險這樣我就覺得跟你拍拍手跟你沒有關係啊你常常跟人家說成藝探險你跟他有什麼關係我是記者的齁說我是很用心你的例子亂舉嘛你只要告訴我說你做的哪一個有賺錢你改善之後有賺錢我就跟你拍拍手啊嘛 |
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OK你講別人賺錢的事情跟你一點關係都沒有嘛我們去設備去設備要如何來賺錢那個原因是什麼當然我們要去了解這是我們要做的工作啦謝謝 |
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SERVEY 大家都會做啦阿威都會說啦我重點是要你自己能夠賺到錢啦不是你去SERVEY人家怎麼賺錢啦好啦你去SERVEY人家怎麼賺錢SERVEY完之後呢你自己能不能照樣畫葫蘆還是你能夠超越人家你自己也能夠賺錢你還是講不出一個所以然出來嘛那個要 STEP BY STEP沒有辦法說一觸可及的啦我們會用心啦謝謝你 |
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我的總結很簡單沒想到引起那麼多討論我12案跟16案就是說從我們在外界經營企業經營產業的角度來看這是比較奇怪的事情所以我提12的意思是說因為我把你們的預算整個看完就是 |
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你這個養豬場剛剛邱議員也講了可能你的頭數不夠等等但如果從過去來講你大概賺100塊要花150塊就是你的cost比你的成本就是收益revenue還要高那這個現象是一直持續的 |
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那所以我的意思是說即使你的養豬投訴你的市價場建起來那是第一關嘛你現在是99%我也不曉得什麼時候建好剛剛你也沒回答比如說今年年底會不會建好還是明年的Q1對不對會不會建好那建好之後你再投入蜘蛛生產到多久然後你的剛剛邱議員跟我的意見是一樣就是好啦我們也讓你建好 |
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也讓你去生養頭數增加到一定的規模那你的發電對不對再生能源的這樣子的一個收益啊你死馬你要告訴我說你什麼時候打好black event然後因為在什麼往上增加才會賺錢啊我們想要聽的是這種business的play你不用解釋啊因為我丟在你這裡就丟很久了 |
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就是我們想要告訴你這件事情那同樣的勞務成本的第16案就是說剛剛我們在問的因為我有去版本預算書看完就是你的尖山皮、池上木野、排塘長龍這三個從112開始就已經是虧損當然我們知道現在的觀光旅宿或是國旅對不對人數可能也沒有以前那麼多但是 |
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這個就要去思考你什麼時候要提出一個biz proposal我再投入這些錢什麼時候可以break even然後你有沒有什麼有別於現在的做法像剛剛邱毅文跟我的想法一樣我是把它BOT出去還是我委託委外經營還是一個什麼樣的方式因為你每年花這麼多錢花了4億多 對不對那這個說實在你做下去還是虧嘛 |
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那我的意思是說你可以保留說你是賺錢的是哪些所以他第一個要你去盤點的是說到底你現在有多少度假設施遊樂設施哪些是賺的哪些是不賺的那不賺的原因是什麼啊你會做什麼action plan然後使得這樣可以改善我們要的是這個東西啦好不好那因為大家討論熱烈他楊瓊英委員14案 |
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好 我這次14案那原本我是要檢列10%那當然有經過溝通我改為主決議但是一個問題就是說台黨還是要跟地區做好鄰居的概念 |
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他比屏東還速度還快啊那表示什麼 我們的民眾真的也很單純 很配合但是一旦有發現這樣味道比較重那是什麼樣的那個里長一反應 我要求一定要做好鄰居 去溝通好 |
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因為你做好鄰居你比什麼你做什麼還要好啊對不對要不然我們那個位置之後未來在他鄰近區是我們的醫院當然我們希望升級啦但是問題是好鄰居的動作你們一定要去做好好不好這個很重要啦那另外就是台黨我們在 |
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在我們現在唯一一個 還有保留下來Hinoki在我們護理糖廠嘛這個一定要去把它不是只有剛開始我們把它維護好之後那你營運等方式一定要把它弄這個能夠成功起來 蓬勃發展這個都要動腦因為我們那裡在疫情前一天你至少有一千台 |
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這個一定要做好 這個是我們跟剛才主委講的好的經濟母你要怎麼樣去把它做好 好上加好尤其像我後里地區中科我們因為科研區進來所以增加至少 所以沒戶口的至少有一萬五千人在那裡在生活 |
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所以這個是給你很好的一個因子在那邊可以蓬勃發展所以我希望要能夠好好的去做好不好尤其做好鄰居這個很重要好 謝謝 |
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好那因為你的營業成本這個總共的費用是242億5083萬那因為我們剛剛討論對不對其實我們是希望你交這個ProposalBusiness的Proposal所以我這邊各動你一千就是動兩千整個這麼多的預算裡面好不好 |
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那你交書面報告時的動之好不好可以嗎 就是在這個到17案這邊的我們交報告給委員你要知道我們要教你寫什麼齁 剛剛崔議員委員 邱志偉委員 鍾嘉穎委員跟我立馬跟下起來跟答非所問喔OK OK 謝謝 |
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沒關係他只要趕快教我們就讓他動之因為我知道這是主席的提案的內容啦但是因為委員們都有發言了嘛所以你們不要只是回答主席的要包含我們詢問的都在這個跟豬有關的議題都要寫進去謝謝我剛還有那個營業啦理事會我們會討論就是你的休閒娛樂設施整個那些盤點到最後怎麼改善啊 |
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好鄰居也要加入我們這樣就是告訴你搞不好還要排專案報告但是我說就預算你就是書面報告使得動之好不好 |
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那接下來的話我們進行第18案到第26案然後呢首先第20案陳昌明委員改組決議21案邱映穎委員改組決議25案李立穎委員改組決議26案陳昌明委員改組決議那其他在場有楊瓊英委員有提案這22跟24那我們是先請這個太郎座回答 |
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那個報告委員就是22案我們最主要是用在那個推廣產品那個服務或品牌吸引廠商消費者來那個促進銷售那比方說那個像業美那個現在遊覽車也相當多的已經相當多了我們很用心的進行把那個廠藝做了投資做了很多的那個規劃那 |
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也希望委員能給我們幫忙,讓我們提書面報告這是針對22案的部分,謝謝22,拿出來是24 |
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22跟24 楊瓊玉委員的提案一併回答你現在講的是22還有2422案那個那最主要我們是用在那個講到清衣齁 剛才有提到就是那個這張這張皮那個清衣每人都要2000多萬齁 那個水庫的清衣齁 那這裡 |
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我們在那個修理保養跟保固費用裡面用的相當多那當然為了安全那個維護所以也希望委員給我們那個幫忙我們用提書面報告謝謝委員好 針對22案您是說你幫我們投資幫我們規劃很多你幫我們投資什麼 |
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妳有投資什麼?妳要不要規劃什麼?我們也是一樣的啊,我們的大頭就在那啊還是一樣啊,除了我剛才說的那幾棟Hinoki的這個之外,還有規劃什麼?規劃什麼?妳也讓我們了解一下 |
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就在績效的部分 比方說我們那個開發新的產品不是只有那個建築物 比方說我們最近的那個鹼性離子水我們開發這樣的產品 還有跟那個金色山脈那個亮炸油鹼性離子水本來就有了沒有沒有 是新產品 以前是礦泉水而已那是台鹽沒有沒有 你們自己的 你們什麼時候發明成功 |
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什麼時候簡訊水上架已經上市了什麼時候啊對啊已經上市一兩個月了還有那個比方說你們要不要去宣傳我們有宣傳還有那個 |
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這都在那個推展費用裡面還有我們那個啤酒用我們糖下去做的啤酒跟金色上麥的那個精釀啤酒還有我們的肉類我們要增加它的那個價值就是跟台酒合作那個業業合作那業業結盟那用他們的酒用台糖的那個豬肉那個那個做那個台酒 |
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跟台糖台糖跟台酒做的那個香腸口感都相當不錯我們也舉辦那個餐酒會那這些都 |
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感恩經營績效還有那個豆漿我想豆漿是相當相當多啦但是我們是用那個國內國產的那個豆子來做當然這一月結合是非常好那你們有沒有去統計一下也就是你的目標你的KPI是怎麼樣也就是說你有了新的減薪水你有了香腸跟台酒的酒來合作這都非常好你有了什麼那你們 |
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去評估 預估你自己的KPI是怎麼樣我們都有訂喔因為我們產品要上市一定有經過成本規範比方說那個行銷的企劃然後那KPI都有訂出來當然包括那個包裝舉一個例子 比如說你的香腸啊那現在呢 你訂的KPI是怎麼樣呢 |
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那像這個比較小case的連收我們知道五百萬、一千萬以上的連收五百萬、一千萬以上一支產品喔因為產品是相當多我們上一項產品是相當多總共幾樣到目前為止應該是八十九、八十九、六、六我們目前已經開發了四十五項 |
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目前新咖產品大概有四四五項左右對 其中舉一個例子嘛譬如說你香腸你準備 我一年多我希望銷售多少我的EPS大概是多少 |
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你們一定有嘛有有一定有像那個那個香腸的話跟台酒開外至少要500萬以上齁那那個消失了但是用是台糖的肉那這樣我們是等於double的方形齁因為那個肉用我們的我再問你答案啦 |
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你請可以告訴我們答案好嗎至少要五百萬以上這是五百萬去去去去去去做嘛對不對對然後你們準備你的銷售額是多少你的EPS是多少銷售額銷售額對啊一支餐品多少一支餐品的銷售額就是香腸的這個部分哇嘴 |
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香腸至少要五百萬以上我們預估的銷售的金額預估今年度還是怎麼樣對 今年度144以後應該是大概是八個月左右市副總理市發委員你跟我們講那個主管單位我覺得我們公務人員很過意又很客氣 |
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講好聽是這樣 講不好聽我就不願意講你有你自己新的產品 你一頁去結合 為什麼在你們的報告當中你們都不講你應該要把你努力所得的成果分享給國人對不對 尤其在立法院報告 你有新的東西你不講 |
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有幾個人知道你有什麼什麼什麼為什麼不講那你的EPS到底是多少我要投入多少我跟誰合作然後我預計我一年度的營業額要多少那我的EPS可以賺多少怎麼樣你這個很簡單的一個表格出來人家看到說你有四個五個有在努力喔 |
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那你不講 你這樣子一條那當然要問啊替國人來問啊 對不對為什麼你們努力的存口不講我現在問到現在幾分鐘了還得不到答案 |
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我們都像產品要上市絕對不是說要上市絕對會有流程但是你們公司一定有你的目標嘛你今天是高級主管你來到這裡你就是目標講清楚啊我們要聽的是這個嘛結果你都不講啊你整個是講研究員的事情啊對不對應該是這樣子我們用室內報告再跟為什麼室內報告啊你們既然都已經編列預算那你們都ING進行試為什麼不知道答案 |
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不是我們是一項一項一項不然怎麼累積上來對也沒有主管可以回答這個問題沒關係是 報告委員台湯這邊補充說明那公司每個剛剛委員關係是台湯公司的經營績效改善這個部分那台湯這邊每年都會有新產品的開發計畫那以今年來說的話我們今年大概有預估有15支產品會做新產品的開發那每一支新產品的話我們都有訂立剛剛委員關係的KPI |
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那所謂的KPI我們定他每一支產品的營業收入那舉剛剛董事長有提到就是說我們跟台酒那個異業結合這個部分的話我們的目標是每年的營業收入要達到500萬以上那我們會追蹤每一支產品每一支新產品開發三年內的一個營業數據以上先做跟委員做簡單的報告 |
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所以你們今年度是有15支要開發嗎預定 預定那我們會按照我們時程依序的計畫是15支要開發嗎然後你們每一支要500萬以上這是每一支產品有它的特性500是針對剛剛提的這支產品那每一支產品的開發金額會依照市場的狀況我們會有訂定不同的目標跟那個毛利 |
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對啦那個董事長因為你的營業費用當然是開發新的我們全力支持但是你不能我們在省預算的時候不知道你所增加的到底是什麼東西是什麼預算數字我們省預算是要知道這個內容對不對對這很重要所以 |
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這個22案我也希望你把你們預計要開發什麼的15種預估你的KPI的你也列出來給我們大家了解我們給你加油鼓勵謝謝也監督沒有達成是什麼原因有達成有增加的給你拍拍手好 謝謝 |
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所以這個22案順便列出來我可以改組決議那24案我是建議我原本是凍結10%那我現在是建議改列800萬原因是什麼呢比如說你剛剛特別講了 |
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金山坪水庫我們也不是給你減預算 而是實際的預算因為你的所列 預算是5000萬但是你在決標的時候是4200萬所以你不可能花得完 不可能花得完 |
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就以這個案例所以在這個營業費用 當然我們也希望啦營業費用可以省一點 當然你會比較管嘛所以我們就拿一個案子來看你的預算跟實際決標就已經有這個數額所以我是建議第24案這個營業費用的這個管理費用的這個部分我減列800萬好 |
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臺商公司可不可以補充說明一下那委員關心的這個部分 除了就是說我們的管理費用服務費用這個部分委員關心的是我們那個職安的那個發生的部分那因為職安的部分 臺商公司在 |
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過從111年到114年的職安的案件數包括一般重大的職安案件由10件降到去年的3件那截至到今年6月份為止我們的一般的職安案件是0那重大職安也是0 |
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那因為委員這個議題又有關心到職安的這個部分那過去台糖公司的職安事件發生大部分都是在員工的執行業務的工作場所當中那執行工作場所因為台糖有很多土地通人在巡查土地的時候會自己騎機車去巡查所以會有一些一些交通的事故沒有針對本席所說這個職安的問題 |
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我們已經有討論過所以我也沒有給你提再提職安的問題是你自己現在再提出來因為這個部分還有包括我已經提到就是經營的部分管理費用的部分是4.2億多你所編列那本席所提供簡略800萬也就是我具體給你提出尖山皮的這個部分你預算是5000萬你的絕標是4200萬 |
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對啊 所以你剩餘八百萬你花不完嘛對不對所以我減劣這八百萬啊這種公道啊 你花不完啊對不對 好好 邱議員委員好 謝謝主席 |
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董事長我想針對你們台糖的這些收入行銷的費用我剛剛看了一下楊瓊英委員的這個提案內容他寫的這些數字提案說明裡面的這些數字是不是都是你們台糖公司提供的 |
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就是你們的這個115年你預計要達到的營業利益是29億但是你的生計啦 續職啦 金融啦等等事業部這兩年都是虧損所以到114年8月的時候我剛剛講的這幾個部分生計 砂糖 金融都還是虧損所以楊委員提了這個案子 |
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你們一直到去年的8月提出來都是虧損然後你現在預估你在115年雖然現在115年已經過了一半了我們現在才在審你們的預算你預估你115年的營業收入可以達到29億 |
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阿我不知道你說你一直都虧損阿為什麼今年你可以預估你的營業收入達到29億這個數字是怎麼算出來的你的29億是怎麼樣賺到的那你的行銷你應該要怎麼樣去做才能讓你的收入突然之間從虧損到變成大幅增加 |
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你還是講不出來嘛來說明一下跟委員做一個報告那其實我們這幾年來我們的七個事業部大概有的是賺錢有的是虧錢這樣應該是達到損益兩平的範圍啦那能夠邊說我們的營業利益能夠有20幾億主要是我們的租金的收入 |
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還有就是我們合建的合建的房屋銷售的收入那這個部分會挹注我們很大的一個營業利益以上報告 |
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其實你講到租金收入跟楊瓊瑛委員現在講的那個服務行銷費用是不同的但是你講到租金收入這件事情我就是要再一次提醒你租金收入佔你們台堂很大一部分的收入比例但是你的租金收入不是只有商業區你的農地租售給農民的租金其實也很高 |
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是調不下來的喔 說不下來喔農民苦虎虎 但是台湯是靠這門在賺錢的喔你台湯不是靠其他東西賺錢 你是靠這個租金在賺錢喔租金很大部分 你是租給農民你們台湯很多土地是農地喔是靠租給農民 這個農地來賺錢喔 |
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跟委員報告一個數字大概我們平均農地的租金一年大概大概五萬到六萬五左右跟民間的農地的租金來比較台湯的土地農租算是比較低的 |
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那另外補充報告就是說剛剛那個營業費用行銷費用的服務費用裡面其實看起來它是一個行銷費用很大的部分它是加油站的勞務工發包的這些費用等等這些勞務發包的費用也都是算在這個行銷費用裡面所以看起來這個12億看起來很多但是實際上它裡頭包括的是還有勞務費用在裡面 |
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好 楊瓊瑩委員那個接續瓊瑩委員所講的 台南董事長真的我一直一開頭我就說要做好鄰居其實台塘的土地遍佈各地尤其因為都市計劃變更它可能原先開路了那旁邊還有你們的土地 |
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所以你要的土地是幾三三那些因為尤其在六都的直轄市裡頭隨便一點點就好幾千萬那錢沒關係我們依照法定大家來評估你就剛好有這個名可以這麼好但是問題我要拜託一件事情 |
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就是說如果是公共事務比如說道路等他必須要開闢的政府對你們的要拜託你們一定要全力支持因為那個會嚴重的影響到我們整個在通行方面尤其像我台中我們有台中縣跟台中市 |
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他的確有一些城鄉差距 但是我們現在一直在做縫合的這個概念地方的一個發展 原本他的西火壁娘他現在需要八米道路那八米道路旁邊就有你們的土地所以在整個建委分割等土地同意的時候你們董事會 |
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拜託這一定要轉的及其因為這個影響到整個城市的一個發展他如果道路沒有通這是公共使用的針對於我一個結論公共使用的配合政府政令的請你們董事會一定要全力的去支持 |
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這樣子才可以帶動我們整個地方的發展啊那個隨便 我們台中市隨便一點點 不是隨便啦 都是寶貴的啦那個都 貨位都幾千了啦那我們也願意 沒有購錢 我們也是去募款來讓道路可以通行嘛所以拜託你們一定要支持 |
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因為我自己的24案你們還是沒有去理清楚我已經告訴你管理費用的部分你光光一個案子你的預算是五千萬你的絕標是四千兩百萬所以我刪除八百萬是公兜的因為你也用不到啊好不好 謝謝謝謝 報告委員如果公共事務要用的我們太陽是絕對完全配合 |
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當然在六都尤其六都裡面那個那個土地變更以後貴重重但是我們要負擔很大的地價稅那地價稅 |
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所以一定要去核化沒有核化的話我們那個大家找到適合的來核化我們要去評估所以對 謝謝他既然這麼堅持我們800萬就減去800萬好 謝謝委員 |
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好 我的部分我也不用請你報告了我大概直接講 我怕這個時間來不及我的問題其實跟剛剛的問題都一樣如果你們這個在外面企業經營的標準這個應該是被lay off五百遍了 |
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所以我意思是說像第一個那個我的第18案也是啊你那個就是你們台塘生機材料廠就剛剛邱議員也是跟我一樣看法就是說你們這個都是年年虧損但是你又讓它一路虧下去像這個牡蠣殼回收斷燒的話111年到114年實際達成率大概你處理的就是只有5%然後設備利用率也很低啊 |
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所以這些東西來講 省紀部也常常在講這件事那19 蓄值加工廠你現在這邊的一個產能的閒置率我們覺得也是一直上去雖然我很喜歡吃台糖的肉鬆 但是 |
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就當然這牽扯到你的源頭有問題然後你的加工又生不出來嘛對不對你原物料租那個借來跟什麼這我覺得說你要去想辦法活化就是說你的租資來源不是你自己的那會有別的那你加工廠它就是一個代工嘛 |
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那你應該尋找台積電的模式啊全年365天都不停工啊就是你要怎麼讓那個利用率提高嘛然後像我為什麼會跟楊全偉一樣就是那個行銷費又推展費也是就是因為你要付那個龐大的那個上架費或什麼不管你是什麼通路但我覺得那也沒什麼問題但是你又告訴我你去投入電商什麼等等那 |
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就不曉得你們是不夠創新還是怎麼樣子我總覺得啦因為現在隨著AIMarketing電箱行銷的這些KOL的技術都已經很發達那你們的我覺得就是你們的管理階層或者是運用階層或者是主事者他那個Business的靈活度啊 |
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那假設我民間企業有這麼多錢的話其實我可以做出更好的效益跟倍數出來這個是你們管理階層、經營階層要去檢討因為你不然連年都是虧損我們的問題都很簡單其實這幾個延續剛剛你前面要交的那份報告是一樣的事情對不對你的 |
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你的這個費用然後你的銷售跟你的KPI那你要投入的Marketing成本成本就包含你的生產原物料你的行銷那你每一個環節都要很清楚那你要告訴我我現在是虧我什麼時候可以轉虧為盈那你還有什麼新的做法 |
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這個是大概我就這幾個案子的一個給你們的建議啦好不好不用回答那總共18到26的話呢我們的李玉琳委員 |
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好謝謝主席我的案子是25案我們是針對於台塘公司他的職安的管理跟推動的工作尤其是看到113到114到8月底的時候他們失能的傷害頻率跟失能傷害嚴重率跟總和災害指數的這個實際 |
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都偏高那尤其是114年8月底這個公安事件的死傷率達到22人我們希望我們那個台談公司他能夠針對這一項對於勞安的執行率的追蹤跟管考能夠向我們立法院做出一個書面報告才能夠使得動之自向費用尊照委的意見伴侶謝謝 |
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好那就18、26營業費用總金額是45億零120萬那根據我們剛剛這個討論的意見那我們就是減劣你800萬然後凍結1500萬 |
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凍結疫情後保養的部分主要就是要針對我們剛剛這些委員所提的這些的問題包含我對生計這個續職事業加工廠然後你的行銷費用對不對以及你剛剛答應楊瓊英委員的你們今年要開發品有多少項要投入多少成本業績一定要達到多少 |
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就這幾個當中你統籌 教書面報告時的凍值2000 減劣800好 接下來的話我們進行凍1500 對不起減劣800 凍1500對 減科目是24管費用 服務費用那裡好 再來的話 27到33 |
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營業外的費用 陳昌明委員第27改組決議 28岸賴銘委員改組決議 29岸邱益穎委員改組決議 31岸邱志偉委員改組決議你不改那32岸邱益穎委員改組決議33岸鍾嘉斌委員改組決議那我們現在請這個 |
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台堂說明一下 針對目前在場33案31 對不起 31你就一定說明啦 因為我的30案也是一樣30 31這裡 |
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對 停工損失 那個最主要是我們交那個土地稅跟房屋稅就交了超1億那個1.9億 已經大概交了1.9億那這個當然在這個停閉的場期就以前是糖廠那當然那個比較好開發的像業美開發的像台中 台中糖廠都已經 |
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解除管控跟屏東糖廠那其他比較偏僻的地方要去活化當然就比較辛苦一點那像那個焦糖廠開發的不錯那還有那個蒜頭他們都開發不錯當然有的地方就是那個政府代管那他們由政府代管去開發有的地方就是我們變成那個 |
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那文化保護的那個房子等之類我們都還要繼續做所以這裡那個就光地價稅跟土地稅就1.9億了那其他的費用比方說那個維修費啊那個水電費等等這些是需要的所以這一項真的是很緊請委員能夠體諒幫忙 謝謝 |
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我就是體諒所以才會要求你們這個要用凍結要求你們把這個活化的這個效率效能能夠提高你這個未來每年大概就是兩億的資本那個土地稅支出啦你如果每年就兩億每年就兩億你都沒有好好把這個活化的工作做好過年只能讓你兩億 |
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我告訴你喔,這個給你凍五百萬算救了我想要給你凍想要給你凍一億真的啦,這樣你才有壓力,你才有壓力去活化不然你每年齁,每年國庫你要付兩億的土地稅對不對?你要付多久啊?沒有,報告委員齁,本來400多公頃耶現在活化剩下50幾公頃 |
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當然沒有辦法說一下就就那個我當然我沒什麼感受給你壓力才有動力不然你當年兩個兩個像誰會接受這個這個莫名其妙就付土地稅那個其實就是說因為地價稅跟房屋稅是地方政府的調高那會增加你看從400你活化之後就沒有這相關的稅的嘛對不對沒有 我的意思是說還沒有活化的部分啦 |
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他那個地價稅跟那個房屋稅那政府會增收啊會提高啊所以為什麼我們還是要負擔那個房屋稅跟土地稅這樣的的那個費用所以從剛開始停止生產的時候400多億 |
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活化剩下50幾公頃而已你要去全面盤點每一個區位 每一個縣市每一塊土地的狀況不一樣它的利用價值也不一樣所以你要全面去盤點你現在停工的廠房狀況是怎麼樣還有沒有具有開發條件然後這個資產的特性你要用差異化活化的相關的做法 |
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才能降低停工損失嘛不要經常說你水有多重要給你兩頁你兩頁有多久啊 |
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那個台長還有誰可以回答這2億付多久了各位報告我們本來這個停閉糖廠的那個面積大概有400公頃那逐年在活化而且我們活化的速度也算蠻快的現在只剩下51公頃那每年2億的稅其實是我們現在活化的部分早就已經都賺回來了我們活化的部分現在每年的收入超過超過3.7億 |
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那你現在預估現在馬上這個下一年度預算又來了你預估下一年度你這個停工損失這個相關的稅你編定多少錢這個現在我們還在行政還在審議中但是我提供了委員一個數據我們114年這個項目的這個費用是編2億3那現在是編2億所以減少一點減少兩千多萬對那 |
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因為也由於剛剛副總經理剛剛談的現在的活化的效率超過86%那是不是懇請委員你的這個提示我們來努力讓我們有一個提一個報告說我們怎麼精進這些的活化的一個利用但是凍結數不要這個趨勢是逐年減少對不對對對對那你說什麼時候可以把它全部活化這個這個是要看市面的一個狀況這個 |
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給我們一個時間做一個分析好不好五年之內能不能完全解決這個問題我想要用比例來看可能會比較好當然我們各個部門都有訂給他說那個活化的比例要多少 |
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那個可能假設20%20%等一下但後面還是會會有存在那你那個要付的稅一定要給啦齁那除了稅之外這就凍結了沒有水電什麼那你這樣稅的部分有1億9嘛對不對對稅的部分你稅的部分大概賺了9成多嘛 |
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對所以水電還是要付還有維護費不然沒有維護那些流浪漢什麼之類那造成治安的死角我是覺得五千五百萬好像對你們不痛不癢 |
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你不會覺得這個有急迫性的壓力如果不動多一點你們不會積極去辦理不是 假如說是扣除歸費的話 超過是一千萬左右讓我們來提一個分析報告好不好委員我希望你們能夠積極去正視這個問題啦每年我都要付的兩億 接近兩億的費用那個主席我是不是就增加到一千萬 |
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國導師覺得這個項目因為我們委員都是語重情長 |
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你如果沒有希望你們好好努力去活化那每一年我們2億多到2億或許是明年還是1億9所以這些費用是必須要出的啦你不可能說你的財產那你沒有出那不可能的啦 |
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那導致就是說在行動力怎麼樣去活化異業怎麼去結合而且我覺得也不是只有在我們的本業現在很多都是異業比如說現在的長照很缺那是不是有可能去結盟這一些 |
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那這也是一個異業結合啊就成如工研院當時我們在審預算的時候你們這個很像啊他每一年的專利費用每一年我們都出只有每一年他都不去計轉所以現在工研院被我們講的現在可以計轉的盡量去計轉那我們出了這個專利費 |
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除了才有價值而且可以計算才有用啊就是以工研院的這個例子那你們也一樣當然400多公頃到現在50幾公頃也包括我特別想要六都六都有很多你們是可以有量能去活化的 |
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其實真的說你說每一個土地你要活化到100%對你們是嚴格不可能因為每一個縣市的需求度不一樣量體也不一樣所以總經理我覺得你們應該可以去做一個專案我們剩下50多公頃你要去做一個專案專家學者業者大家來評比 |
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這樣子主動出擊而不是坐以待斃我覺得應該是換一個方式啦所以我這一題我倒是覺得我跟大家不一樣的意見我覺得動這個沒有意義因為你們都一定要出啊那至於各位數的那個幾%因為水電你沒收你一倍多快你以後更付出要更多這是我的看法啦謝謝 |
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謝謝 謝偉 |
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好 謝謝主席我簡單再問一下您剛講的現在剩下50多公頃這個數字是停留在多久的董事長您來了之後有遭了哪些傷沒有你活化了哪些東西每人大概都有一定的比例在活化我現在是問說您上任之後你活化了哪些園區你活化了幾公頃105還是106從400多公頃我再立刻回答不出來我要講的就是說你的這50幾公頃 |
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他的土地使用範圍都是屬於農地還是建地還是修器用地還是農牧用地還是什麼樣的地牧那這些地牧使用能不能跟經濟部比如說工業 |
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還是經濟部的很多的這一些現在我們很多的招商引資很多的企業大樓或者是很多的這一些新創中心能夠來跟他們做共同開發或者是做共同合作來達到你所謂的活化的這樣的目的嘛次長你說你們要重新盤點要提一個報告書出來嘛是不是能夠把本席的這一些意見或者是我提出來這些疑問能夠一併說明 |
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那個報告委員就說 這些地大部分都公衛用地 因為廠房都是公衛用地那活化 比方說那個在豐原那邊就跟豐原醫院他們就蓋一個長照等等之類的 這也都是活化 那他們要要擴充那當然有一些被被列為那個古蹟 那被列為古蹟的話我們要花很多錢去去維護 然後那個 |
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文化部他當然不是但是我們又不能做營業的所以對我們國營企業來講是有這個使命該配合政府當然我們是都全力去配合他謝謝好 |
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那我看這樣子好不好營業費用總共是二十一三千五百一十六萬那其實我幫你回答邱志偉的問題你那兩年就是每年兩億根據我們立法院預算中心那已經編入五年多了我猜大概後面也是一樣很慘的 |
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我覺得你所降是有限所以我們覺得是說給你一些動力去做一個加速的改善我原本動3000然後邱志偉動1000我們折衷 2000萬動2000萬 |
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然後呢你營業外費用這個動兩千萬然後呢請你們也是一樣交書面報告那你要記得剛剛邱志偉文跟我是同樣的問題啊你對這個活化的比例到什麼時候可以讓你這個掃腳的稅啊這個是第一要務嘛那剛剛楊瓊英委員的你要去把你這個所有活化哪些還沒活化 |
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這些要盤點出來然後要列入你的期程開發的項目嘛然後再配合我跟邱智友委員第一個的要求就是你因為你有達到逐步活化的目標所以你這些相關的東西可以減少好不好這是整個你們的書面報告你如果寫不好我真的要你來專案報告好好寫好不好來那接下來的話呢我們進行重大建設事業 |
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那34案跟35案陳昌明委員是34案是改組決議那六案委員是在第35案改組決議所以重大建設是這個預算招列那我們進到組決議的部分第36案 |
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遵照辦理37案遵照辦理38案遵照辦理39案遵照辦理40案遵照辦理41案遵照辦理42案遵照辦理43案遵照辦理44案遵照辦理45案遵照辦理46案遵照辦理47案遵照辦理48案 |
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尊照辦理 四十九 尊照辦理 五十 尊照辦理 五十一 尊照辦理 五十二 尊照辦理 五十三 尊照辦理 五十四 尊照辦理 五十五 尊照辦理 五十六 尊照辦理 五十七 尊照辦理 五十八 尊照辦理 五十九誒 進行 誒 剛剛改為那個書面報告 |
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五十九案 主決於五十九案五十九案你是有意見還是沒有 遵照辦理六十嘛 好就遭案通過來六十 見請專案改書面報告 |
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好 修正通過 61 見請專案改書面報告好 修正通過 再來 62 遵照辦理長安通過 63 遵照辦理長安通過 64 遵照辦理長安通過 65 遵照辦理長安通過 66 遵照辦理長安通過 67 遵照辦理長安通過 68 遵照辦理長安通過 69 見請專案改書面報告 |
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好 修正通過第70 建請專案改成書面報告OK 修正通過71 建請專案改成書面報告修正通過72 建請專案改成書面報告修正通過73 建請專案改成書面報告修正通過74 建請專案改成書面報告修正通過75 |
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建請專案改成書面報告修正通過 七十六建請專案改成書面報告修正通過 七十七建請專案改成書面報告修正通過 七十八建請專案改成書面報告修正通過請宣讀協商結論宣讀台糖公司115年度預算協商結論第二計畫預算策略第一案第二案及第三案均改為主決議 |
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營業總收入部分預算照列第四案改為主決議營業總支出部分有關服務費用通販部分第五案、第六案、第七案及第八案均改為主決議營業成本部分凍結兩千萬銀提出書面報告其中第十案、第十一案、第十三案、第十四案、十五案、十七案均改為主決議營業費用部分 |
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凍結1500萬元提出書面報告指的通知其中第24案有關管理費用向下服務費用檢驗800萬元 |
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第二十案、二十一案、二十二案、二十五案、二十六案均改為主決議移動法案部分凍結兩千萬人提書面報告後使得動之第二七案、二十八案、二十九案、三十二案、三十三案均改為主決議增大至建設事業部分預算照列第三十四案、三十五案改為主決議主決議部分第三十六案至第五十九案均照案通過 |
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60案修正通過 61案修正通過62案至68案均照案通過69案至第78案均修正通過 宣告完畢好 請問各位同仁有委員提案部分照鋼杖宣讀的結論通過沒有提案的部分均照略或隨同調整 請問有無異議無異議通過115年度臺灣公司預算審查完畢好 |
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現在我們進行台電公司的預算協商台糖公司對,他們審查完畢了就可以離開沒問題 |
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好我們進行台電公司的首先第一個業務計畫第一案求職委員改組決議再來營業總支出總共 |
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二到十三案其中第二案賴樂永委員改組決議第三案謝一鳳改組決議第四案謝一鳳委員改組決議第五案謝一鳳委員改組決議第六案謝一鳳委員改組決議第七案謝一鳳委員改組決議第八案賴樂永委員改組決議 |
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好那接下來的話呢我們請這個台電來說明一下針對楊瓊英委員第9案第11案12 13 |
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好 那跟主席報告還有委員報告第第9案第10案還有11 12案楊瓊瑩委員我們有跟委員報告過就委員剛才是今天早上有同意說是不是可以改主席因為委員在現場這個要爭取委員的意見 |
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不好意思委員不好意思我想說委員關心的幾個議題包括業務懸導費等等的一些議案還有我們再生能源發電等等的費用我想最主要是因為台電的業務工作像再生能源的發電有很多是我們自己的設備維護等等的一些工作購電的部分其實它是法規規範就是它等過費率規定 |
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我們就會做一定程度的採購所以這些費用要希望那個委員能夠支持那除此之外還有我們的一些宣傳等等的費用也要跟各位委員報告台電大部分的費用都用在跟節電等等相關的一些議題上面那還有我們的能源政策跟電源開發還有電力電網建設的一些宣傳上面這個部分也希望委員能夠支持我們的相關費用 |
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好,請楊炯英委員 |
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7545.401 |
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我的事業第九案跟第十一案那煤酸的部分我們也經過討論那我們希望大家怎麼樣去節省所以這個改為主決議再生能源的部分我一直在思考當然我們自己我們也鼓勵一定要再生能源但是我一直覺得說我們在進行事當中都沒有達到 |
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你們的原本的目標值這個是讓我們有一些憂心啦所以針對再生能源的部分當然知道還是有碰到一些瓶頸但是我一切非常的希望是依規依法不要在法令的漏洞當中去鑽泥我想人民最不喜歡看到的是這個 |
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依法依規好好去做 絕對全力支持但是如果我們台電 台電的員工這麼辛苦我經常講很多次了台電賣一隻孤債務你怎麼收就收不快 |
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這個債務太重了你們也賦予國家的使命嘛要穩定這個都是你們的成本這我們都很清楚但是我還是要再強調不要成為特定人的提款機這個是我們絕對不能接受的啦尤其你在契約已經明定的一個情況之下 |
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再去轉轉來轉去我覺得到頭來都不好這個對於我們國家的電力也一定會影響很大只要一個案子失敗我們要退步多久這是人民非常憤慨的一件事情也抹煞了台電員工的一個努力董事長你聽到這個你覺得感同身受嗎或許你有很多指令你非走不行 |
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非進行不行但是你務必要把關啊這是我你絕對有這個能力啊你務必要把關啊不能台電被已經這麼辛苦盤一家姑啊財務了還有政治任命的議題那你還要如果還成為特定人的一個提款機這是對不起全國人民的也對不起所有的產業界真的因為我再次強調一個失敗 |
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這個要退步多久台灣沒有這種笨錢了啦因為我們到世界各國去看人家如火如荼在進行人家的條件或許有的比我們好但是有的也比我們差可是他可以如此的按部就班去把它做好所以我與眾心常說不要成為特定人的提款機啦那所以第十一案的部分 |
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我原先是凍結10%那經過討論我剛剛所講的拜託一定要把關好所以我改為這個組決議那第12案第12案也就是服務費用輸電的這個費用 |
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那當然我們知道現在地球暖化的這個問題所以常常我會想要讚美 讚許一下台電的基層員工現在他的做法我是非常贊成就是說在電力萬一碰到 |
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以前就整片就好幾千戶就停著但是現在基層員工你要獎勵他們我們就趕快拜託你的電網可以怎麼樣去拉可以讓損害的越少 |
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那你外圍的部分或者是你再拉一條安全的網他臨時網他就可以馬上就互電了民眾就拍拍手了就不會說等到三四千戶全部都後他才好這個方法是很好的這也是我們支持耐性電網的時候他們在整個動作上面有所做調整這個是很好所以這個部分呢這個我願意來改為經過溝通之後來改為這個 |
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這個組決議那第十三案的部分也是配電費用的這個部分那當然配電部分現在就是因為工廠他設置他轉型有很多傳統產業轉型為AI燈 |
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那他工廠他一定要來給我們申請電話可是我們很多人都說不夠那這個所以我們很重要台電很重要沒有電他什麼他建設的多好的這個工廠他也沒有用啊他打不走 |
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所以這個部分應該還可以再去做盤點怎麼樣可以符合民眾申請的所有需求我要謝謝總經理因為一直在盤點那我覺得還有精進的空間如果可以讓他願意轉型的人我們現在碰到最大的困難就這裡他願意轉型的人我們要怎麼樣協助他們 |
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在技術方面在你們的調配方面可以協助他們因為好不容易一家廠商他願意要這麼做喔那就是很不簡單的啊那我們要把他協助好啊因為他如果再倒掉他如果又不願意困難他又不想做的時候我們要撕掉多少的 |
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這個這個這個就業率所以你們是很重要的所以我還是這個希望來協助所以第13案我也改為這個主決議謝謝我們是到第幾案到13謝謝謝謝委員光紙剩我的第十案說明一下 |
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那個他一樣是那個第十案嘛第十案是那個業務宣傳費啦報告委員那個那個業宣費就是其實台電的費用就是就我有印象看過台電預算以來這個費用從來沒有增加過然後我們的執行上面也都一直安得在這個數字底下那台電最主要的業宣費用大部分都是用在其實節電大概是最大的一塊好節電是最大一塊其他大概就是一些電源開發跟電網建設的宣導的部分 |
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我的用意是說因為台電當然有擔負政府政策的重要的使命嘛然後因為你又是虧損嘛所以虧損的時候就不要去做一大堆更新企業識別然後字體設計標案這一類 |
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就是說人家要有肩膀嘛前部長說要蓋得那麼漂亮,沒有那麼漂亮意思是這樣啦所以我那時候才想說這個我找這個沒搞,又虧損又蓋這個不好啦我只是那時候提這個案的目的啦好,那這樣子好不好我有時候搞組決議啦不要以後再發生這種事情啦OK |
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沒有加分反而扣分引起一堆風波好不好好那一頁這個服務費用462億這個預算的話這邊照列在我們今天14到22案材料及用品 |
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費用這邊14案到22案那其中第14案謝依鳳委員改組決議第15案的話這個邱穎委員改組決議那其他在場的有楊瓊英委員的提案包含17 18 21 22還有我的19 20就一併就回答好了所以只剩我們兩個委員有提案 |
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因為剛好提案委員在電話中我先來問一下第17案17案提案委員關心的是他的燃煤成本燃煤的費用那事實上我本席一向也來關注台塘的供電的對象我非常注意到未來的趨勢就是大電力用戶耗能耗電高的他們會採取燃料電池的 |
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做為也就是說未來這些高耗能的用戶他為了追求電力跟品質的穩定性他可能會自己去設置燃料電池的電廠那因為燃料電池他利用天然氣來進行供電他並沒有燃燒他並沒有這個污染的氣體排放當然他還是會有一些排碳但是呢這是一個未來的趨勢那相對的呢台電目前的天然氣的使用是用在燃氣發電上 |
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那燃氣發電我看了一下資料目前以中油公司進口的LNG來講它的電業用戶台電佔了它的六成也就是說台電是中油的大客戶 |
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那換言之中油跟國際市場買LNG然後呢再賣給台電去發電事實上台電的售電成本當中跟中油進口天然氣的價格非常的關係啊那我們知道前一陣子呢因為國際的能源價格油價呢起伏不定那造成台灣中油大量的虧損也跟本院提出行政院跟本院提出要增資那一般民眾的認為啊 |
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因為中油他們認為中油的角色是供應民眾的交通工具的加油使用忽略了其實台灣中油它對於我們國內電力供應上扮演背後的這樣的一個燃料供應者的角色換言之只要是台灣中油進口的LNG漲價那台電的供氣它供氣給台電的發電成本就會提高那也間接的造成台電的虧損 |
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那目前我看台電目前在你們今年的一到五月因為這樣的天然氣的國際價格的波動你們已經虧損達144億了那有時候我們開玩笑說國營事業經濟部台電跟台灣中油難兄難弟 |
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不是這個賠就是那個虧那目前行政院是支持讓台灣中油能夠透過增值的方式讓它的虧損減少那台電又是怎麼樣台電是不是而且我們所知道目前的這個LNG的價格已經回穩也就是說換言之最近幾個月台灣中油在天然氣的這個售價上它已經轉虧為盈了但是似乎賣給台電的價格還是一樣居高不下 |
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那這個是不是親兄弟明算帳如果LNG的國際價格已經回到原來的階段那麼繼續賣給台電的LNG的成本繼續居高不下這樣的一個你們用電虧損一樣是轉嫁到台電或未來的用戶身上嘛所以董事長就這一點可以做一個深論那也請我們的經濟部啊我們次長關心一下台灣中油跟台電難兄難弟不是那個料就那個賠啊現在台灣中油現在好多了 |
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天然氣回穩了所以它的轉虧為盈了可是台電還是持續用比較高的價格買LNG還是持續在虧損當中這一點是不是經紀委要去協調一下請董事長說明一下我想首先要說明的第一點狀況是這個樣子就是說那個國際的現在的狀況是這樣子就是LNG的價格其實是被油價還有現貨市場的LNG的價格所決定 |
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那當然現在的油價的狀況是有大概從100塊以下回跌到80塊左右那但是LNG的現貨市場這幾天又上去了就是本來那個已經掉了15塊我們覺得說有機會如果再跌到15塊以下就大概看得到很清楚的一個趨勢可是這兩天就是這兩天大概博安又發生了軍事糾紛所以他基本上那個JKM的LNG現貨價格往上漲了 |
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那這個部分是這樣子就是說台電跟中油確實是兄弟公司那一定要明算帳因為我們有名股股東所以絕對是明算帳這是第二個那只是說這個價格上面的一些變化還有價格的訂定上面它是一個全年預測價所以它並沒有完全的跟著現在的價格在跑 |
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那因為台電現在當然是我們的用電量包含我們的IPP廠商的天然氣用量加起來大概超過八成全部都是電液它全部反映在電價裡面所以怎麼樣子跟中油有效的重新計價 |
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這一件事情我們也都在討論中市長其實也關心找我們開了好幾次會這個事情都有在討論中那我是要跟委員報告說就穩定台灣的物價來講其實電價跟油價兩個是最關鍵的輸入性通膨的因子大概就是能源價格和黃小玉加起來基本上就是台灣輸入性通膨最關鍵的因子那中油跟台電大概扛了一半 |
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那這一半其實狀況是這樣就過去這幾年來大家可以看到全世界各國的價格電價全部都往上漲台灣的部分是民生電價一直都還是漲幅是相對比較低的那我們自己試算過台電自己試算過如果我們的電價用韓國的電價來算的話那台電其實是會有盈餘的就是 |
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過去的累積虧損不只累積虧損可以打掉還有盈餘那我想說其實韓國大概是台灣最重要Benchmark的國家的電價但我覺得這可以給大家做參考那為了穩定國內的民生物價其實行政院有編列預算給台電過 |
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那我們也一直在跟院內爭取就是今年其實如果國家的稅收狀況還不錯是不是可以給台電有一些機會在面對現在的波幻戰爭的情形下台電要去負擔這一些能源價格的波動 |
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那在國家的財政充裕的狀況下能夠給台電一些支持那我想說在這邊要跟各位委員報告就是其實台電最關鍵的是人才我想說剛才包括楊委員都非常非常鼓勵就是我們的基層員工我要跟各位報告一件事就其實台電基層員工的薪水其實 |
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大家一直都講說我們是AI蛋糕五層裡面的一層但是我們的同仁的薪水失上你同樣是電機系畢業你要叫他選擇去台積電還是來台電呢 |
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就是說如果我們沒有辦法改善我們的一些勞工的就我們同仁金融的條件那我們沒有辦法改善財務事實上這個五成蛋糕裡面最重要的基層這一塊影響會非常非常大我們現在出聘用的職員類的台電員工的起步薪水可能都跟一般公務員來講有一點差距我這幾年來一直很努力想要補平這個差距我想說這個部分 |
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台電的財務的總體改善它直接影響到我們同仁的一些勞動條件的改善其實是影響到這個國家最重要的infrastructure的公司是不是能夠有一個好的發展基礎所以謝謝鍾委員提到這個問題我也在這個地方趁這個機會把整體的狀況跟各位做一個說明謝謝 |
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好謝謝中嘉賓晚 等一下就楊瓊英委員因為有點不好意思楊委員因為追問要請次長來協助答覆這已經超過台電的權責了謝謝剛剛董事長啦董事長雖然我問他的是那個能源價格的成本但是那他也帶到了台電公司員工 |
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他們在發展跟經用上的一些限制那的確啦那身為台電的員工子弟我可以體會到長期來台電員工承受到政府管理上的雙重身份對待舉例來講這個次長回去查一下因為目前我們台電的員工當中有一些員工他是兼具有公務員兼具勞工身份的人 |
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那目前台電的全部適用勞基法的勞退就職的員工我們感謝勞動部行政院的支持現在全國的就職勞退的員工勞退就職的員工只要在跟僱主合一之下他們已經成就了退休要件的人他們可以將 |
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攜清的退休金不再放在雇主的台銀帳號裡面可以拿來參加薪資勞退得到在退休前透過薪資勞退的操作可以獲得更高的投資獲益這點是很好的但是但是但是限於勞工身份但是台電員工當中有些是屬於公務員間 |
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勞工身份的那目前我們勞基法的第84條呢他有規定啊如果是公務員兼具勞工者呢他的退休是適用公務員那就剛剛點出了曾董事長說的如果現在的勞基法跟公務員法當中如果台電的員工有這樣雙重身份的勞基法是比較好的勞基法條件比較好的公務員的是比較低的啦 |
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那現在是不是請經濟部全面的檢討台電的現在金融的員工盡量的讓他們可以重優不要說他的身份是雙重被迫要用比較條件比較差的公務員的服務法這個規定這個請次長回去 |
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一併的經濟部對於台電去檢討因為這個你們過去有解套過啦因為你們在經濟部所屬事業人員的退休撫恤及資遣辦法的第九條對於這些人員呢你們就有不受到勞基法因為那個勞基法的含色範圍你們就把自己把它切出來那這一塊是有的因為過去我在財政委員會我們的國營行庫啊公股行庫啊他們呢早就兼具有雙重身份的人他們早就用他們的規定排除不再用 |
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公務員退休 而是用勞基法退休 用這個勞基法退休這個部分我剛剛已經明白地點出了法條 勞基法第84條還有之前范老闆第9條第1項請經濟部回去研議讓我們包括台電在內這些重要的基礎的公共事業的員工可以適用到比較好的待遇雖然短期內不能如曾董事長所說的能夠大幅地提高我們台電員工的禁用條件 |
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但是至少使得員工感受到說國家有重視他們在穩定國家能源韌性供應上的辛苦在你們的範圍內見到這個立法院我會支持第二個剛剛提到的就是LNG台灣中油跟台電難兄難弟今天LNG的價格雖然你們是以全年預期價格來估但是只要在帳務上台灣中油少收台電 |
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它的天然氣的費用那台電的虧損就會減少那我們都知道目前行政院不是說大細心但是就整個社會氛圍來講中油尋求增資比台電容易所以這種情況下中油的虧損它可以透過增資解決台電相對困難所以經濟部是不是想辦法減少台電的虧損讓中油來承擔比較多的這樣的一個營業的風險 |
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那這樣的話呢 綜合來尋求我們社會跟立法院的支持的時候就經濟部來講 你就一劍二鼓啦 兩個蝦子齁這個有 還痛 還不痛的就是要 能拖著躺下啦像台電這種 大家齁 有一些意見的齁拍拖躺下的齁 你就輸給他 按摩他就好了啦 以上說明好 我們 黨委委員 |
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針對本席的提案第17案第17案我首先要謝謝這個台電我們在達成原則問題我們在達成原則問題所以我們去年購煤的量數是減少100萬噸那我也看到這一個成效有出來這一個成效 |
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這個要謝謝台電因為中火在我們地方上我們付出了太多的健康成本理當應該還給我們健康的公道那所以因此我們看到中國月煤的這個部分呢它減少多少煤量那它減少了多少的空污這個我沒有看到成效所以我首先要謝謝 |
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8785.241 |
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台電但是台電我也要報告我要跟您說用報告替民眾來懇求我們雖然有改善但是我仍舊是全球裡頭單一單一電廠這個碳 |
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是世界污染的第一名目前的量還是如此那所以在第17案裡頭我剛剛謝謝了台電我們從前年開始大家達成共識就是減每一年遞減100萬噸所以今年 |
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我們要燒的是去年是1100萬噸今年是1000萬噸所以呢我們就我不檢列20%但是依照我們的原則就是在115年度裡頭的購買預算減100萬噸這是第一個那第18案的部分我在經濟委員會跟部長談論過很多次我一再強調不要被成為特定 |
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團體的一個提款機這抹煞了台電員工的辛苦也抹煞了全球全國跟全球對接的一個量能那所以成如引人的411億這些罰款到底會不會到位 |
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會不會到位我還是要請經濟部來說明清楚因為慢了這四五年的時間那到底怎麼回事那依照我們的契約合規合法需要計法的我們到底到目前為止我們罰了多少錢如果把這411億可以再給再依照依法合規要回來那我們台電至少也減一點點負擔啊 |
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8902.216 |
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所以該當是我們的錢該當要要回來的我們一定要要因為現在又開始戰爭你說你的能源能夠降嗎我認為常態來看它是不會降的所以我台電要怎麼樣想方法能夠有來源我們依法合規 |
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就是一個 待會我想聽經濟部您針對於這個風力發電的這個部分到底這個案子你們計罰了多少 411億你們現在到底罰了多少錢 我們想要知道但是董事長剛剛講的一件事情我贊成 一件事情我不贊成 |
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你說依照韓國的價格來計算我不贊成這麼的說法在座各位我都非常的尊重但是我們台灣就是台灣中華民國就是中華民國我們的體制就是如此我們怎麼樣去調整我們就是如此我不希望說在這裡聽到一個我去比一個它的單價高的我都有剩餘不可以這樣子說這個我不贊同這樣的說法 |
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但是我贊同這個董事長說的勞動因為我知道董事長你是有能力的那次長也在這裡我想部長也會支持你因為什麼呢本來現在關於我們公務人員要考上要報到的就已經不足而 |
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8967.555 |
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8994.623 |
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那上任的又離職的又很多那為什麼公務人員以前的鐵腕腕現在變成這樣人家不要因為我們沒有去符合社會的需求不管是AI的轉型等這些那我要怎麼樣留住我台電的員工要訓練一個台電的員工次長在這裡沒那麼簡單如果你依照以往的制度稍微我給你幾%這個都不是啊 |
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9023.229 |
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這個都沒有辦法治本所以我希望的也就是說要怎麼樣留住你的人才而且讓人家願意要進入到我們公司來這是很重要的一個課題因為沒有電什麼都不要講了要訓練一個員工也沒有那麼簡單所以你應該要大刀闊斧的符合你目前所需要的我要怎麼樣去制定包括他的薪資包括他的工作環境包括他的一個需求你應該可以提出來 |
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9024.129 |
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9051.066 |
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請行政院來支持 經濟部來支持這個才是真正的資本啊要不然你一個一個溜我經常說的 如果國運事業單位現在當然現在改為公司你的派遣人力之前已經達到了30-40%我徹底反對因為你沒有辦法留住人才 你沒有辦法去訓練啊這一些都是人民必要必須的每一天生活啊它不能沒有啊 市長 |
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9065.67 |
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所以我真的希望說說你勞力勞這個員工的這個部分專家編委員也說明的非常的清楚啊你現在是公司啊你們要怎麼樣去提出你的方案出來留住人才這很重要以上 |
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9089.615 |
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來 次長請回答好 謝謝委員的指導有關於委員對台電公司的這個指導的意見我在這邊跟各位說明由於這個AI的這個蓬勃發展還有包括氣候變遷的關係事實上在台電公司跟經濟部在委員會的指導之下 支持之下我們過去 |
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9090.996 |
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9118.362 |
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以中火為例事實上它減排的部分的成效相對於106年已達到7成我們的電力排放係數在去年我們還是下降的即便我們去年的經濟成長率超過8%左右但是我們也持續來做精進那針對於中火的這個減污的部分其實台電公司也通過環境部的自主減量這些的措施我們會持續努力 |
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第二個部分是有關於勞動條件 |
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9122.404 |
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9148.178 |
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還有有關於公司的成本的一個控制的部分首先做流動條件的部分過去只要公務員有調薪的時候事實上我們針對於國營失業的部分也會去對比說他的薪水他的付出那我們的調薪的額度也稍微有點增長那我們有定期的跟公會的理事長們 |
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9172.31 |
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去聽取我們工會裡面的員工的一些意見這裡面除了績效獎金還有包括剛剛鍾委員所提到的所謂的公兼勞的部分這個公保孤兒的部分主政的單位是在全系部但是經濟部多次的針對在這個議題上面我們認為我們是要支持我們台電的這個員工 |
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9200.201 |
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那除此之外的話對於原物料或是所謂的發電成本的控制的部分台電公司他透過不管是燃煤的這個長短約或是其他的這個節流的措施已經很努力的但是委員所詢問到的一個天然氣的狀況是因為今年國際地緣政治的影響那經濟部在行政院的這個指示的目標我們希望全年 |
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9201.324 |
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9229.933 |
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對於全國的物價的指數我們可以控制到這個2%左右在這個的原則之下我們對於民生的部分我們就有兩個公司來相對的負擔但是對於剛剛委員所詢問到的天然氣我首先說明的是天然氣從2月28中東戰爭以來那事實上在戰前它的價格可能不到 |
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9257.914 |
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12塊11塊那最高到21塊那現在的話到16.8左右那因為上個禮拜有一些的局部的震盪那基本上我們會依照這個中有公司所訂的這個氣價的公式來針對於說發電業的這個部分來合理反映說中有的所謂的購氣的一個成本那氣源的這個 |
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9274.134 |
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穩定是一個很重要的事情 這個也很感謝中國公司的努力從2月28日一直到目前為止即便在卡達的地方 因為這一週還有一些的戰事在起然後國際的這個 |
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9276.415 |
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9303.741 |
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價格還有在局部的震盪的一個狀況我們仍然是穩定了我們目前天然氣包括油品的供給基本是到冬季甚至到未來更長期我們經濟部都有定期的再去review這一些的傳期的這一些的規劃的一個措施那總體而言的話我們是希望說再不影響我們的物價的一個情況之下讓台電公司跟中油公司 |
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9304.361 |
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9320.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
基於國營事業對於社會公益還有的一個考量的部分來獲取它最大的營業的這個績效效益那今年的預算價在氣價的部分是15.89那現在的話我剛剛講16點多那這個是因為這禮拜的一些震盪的因素然後我們持續來觀察 |
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9329.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9347.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
那事實上今年的這個預算數是依照我們前年我們之前的這個重估還有包括能源署依照EIA的這個指數當然這裡跟匯率有關係本來這個我們預算的編列的匯率是30.5塊左右當然現在的話匯率台幣的部分 |
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9348.93 |
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9370.66 |
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可能是將近32塊左右 這些我們都會持續來看 但委員的指導意見我們會謹記在心 特別是針對勞動條件的一個改善的部分在這邊我們提到在去年跟前年之前我們對於有證照或是說新進的這個員工的部分我們讓他這個薪水會增加 那未來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9378.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
我們會照委員的這個方向來跟台電公司跟其他三家國營事業來進行相關的合作 以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
9378.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9406.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我的部分沒有回答那411億現在計劃多少這個請農民署來說明一下跟委員報告一下那個時候委員講那411億是那個時候他在做股權變更的時候我們有給一個條件就是說他對他的財務條件有變造或隱匿那經過我們查證他沒有但他後來因為有一些其他後來股權又有一些調整然後還有一些在施工的delay那我們總共後來違約後還罰了他大概11.6億以上報告 |
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9410.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9428.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
就411億變成你一個結案了嗎就變成只罰11點多嗎是嗎跟委員報告那個411億是那個時候在變更股權的時候有一個條件就是說他送來的資料裡面財務條件有變造或者是引入本席請問這個案子你結案了嗎計法的款數已經結案了已經結案就是從411億5年內然後你現在最後是11點多少 |
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9438.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9446.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
11.6 我再跟委員強調一下11.6億所以全部的記保 第一個案子就是11.6億是嗎對 我們依照合約的規定就是罰11.6億 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9450.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9470.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
市長你聽到了齁台電董事長也在這裡所以我真的我覺得說應該是我們的你們就這樣子輕輕放過依法依規請你把你從411億依合約需要罰的一直到你最後11.6億你11.6億怎麼計算的請書面之內給本席 謝謝 |
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汪小平委員好 謝謝 因為也跟那個經濟不有關因為剛剛那個委員也提到了AI那這個AI現在在我們包括這個不是台中而已喔 台南 屏東 高雄現在大家都是什麼 算力中心 第一個要搶什麼 要搶地第二個搶人 第三個搶電 |
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為什麼 因為先有地才能蓋廠 要蓋廠就要有勞動力 就要有營造工程但是最重要的還是要有電力所以目前我在這邊接到 包括你們後面我們園區管理局的楊局長 他也都很清楚其實現在產業在往高雄跟屏東 隨著台積電要去佈局的時候 他們在找什麼 找電廠 |
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他們不只找台電喔不是找台電的潰線喔台電的一個供電能量喔他們還找民間的像氣電工生像我們高雄的大社他就有氣電工生廠那過去呢因為產業的需求沒那麼高所以合給他的職工的廠呢他把它縮減了三分之一但是現在遇到AI的算力時代來臨了這些氣電工生廠過去是 |
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協助支持台電的國內的一般的工業供電減輕台電的供電負擔但是未來他可能會是這些AI算力中心他們目標很重要的一個供電者那是不是請經濟部要去盤點一下目前還有供電餘裕的這些民間的氣電工程的設備他是不是未來都有能力把他的產能全開 |
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讓它開出它的一個供電能量出來一方面分攤台電的供電壓力但是也能夠造就地方的產業發展舉例來講以大澀那個電廠來講因為它目前的定位是職工所以職工它只能自用但是可能未來這個AI的算力中間不見得是設在哪裡有可能設在屏東隔著一個高屏西那高屏西我們屏東這邊可能在電力供應上是不是它能夠就近就使用 |
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這個氣墊工生廠供應的電力因為這對產業業者來講他可能不太容易直接在氣墊工生廠旁邊找到他的算力中心的預定地他也可以在別的地方找到預定地但是他目標鎖定的是這個氣墊工生廠的發電餘裕那這種情況之下他會受到原來的契約職工用電的這個限制是不是請我們經濟部指示跨我們的園區管理局了解這些需電的廠商也請能源署去檢視 |
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在台電配合的這些氣電工廠它的供電契約未來有沒有辦法轉來供應給這些AI算力中心他們的需求因為過去的想像的氣電工程是怎樣是工業用電嘛你在工業區裡面我在這邊設一個電廠然後呢我就可以直接供給旁邊的工廠使用但是現在的算力中心的概念 |
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它不見得會在原來的傳統工業區裡面它可能在其他的新型的原區產業原區裡面設置可是它的電呢可能需要它的餘裕但是會涉及到用到台電的電網因為它跨那個工業區供電要用到台電的電網 |
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這個契約關係還有它的法制上怎麼調適是不是請次長回去那麼跟我們相關所屬的單位去研究一下謝謝委員的指導 這邊我簡短說明一下除了AI的這個旺盛的需求之外其實經濟的成長產業的快速的一個轉型那經濟部都有一個電力可靠度的審議委員會那每年上半年就會針對未來十年去做一個用電需求的預估 |
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那我們今年預估的這個結果未來10年的這個成長率是2.5%是遠高於日本跟韓國他對未來這個預估的狀況甚至也是也高於我們去年所預估的狀況那委員的指導的部分我們會盤點但是我在這邊要做一個說明其實有關於算力中心的這個發展當然很多的相關產業會關心但是很多的社區的民眾比如說以美國為例 |
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他很多的地方他也居民也擔心說因為算力中心增加了電網的負荷在影響到他的用電的一個穩定所以經濟部會在這個議題上面針對我們全國的這個算力的需求除了去產業面去盤點之外用電面需求面也要去盤點他們呼籲說大型的這個用戶大用電的我們在作為能力 |
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能源管理法裡面我們有次相關的一個配套包括我們一些使用準則我們是希望就近電發電端然後希望他節能然後希望他避免減少電網的負荷朝這幾個方向我們一起來跟各個產業來一起來努力以上蔡委員 |
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因為討論到電網所以我實際上想要聊一下這個潰線的問題我想跟台電反映一下因為在去年丹納斯颱風後我們知道整個損害很嚴重到目前為止很多畜牧場他們基本上在復原上是有困難因為他們在丹納斯颱風後損害是把他們整個畜牧場都摧毀了 |
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那他們現在當然希望在復原的時候可以跟所謂的綠能來做結合也就是所謂綠能的一個屋頂但是就卡在潰線的問題那我想我們當時候台電公司有一個大原則就是說如果是大型的光電廠潰線是要由廠商自己去拉但是像這樣的一個畜牧業的然後是屋頂式的基本上台電還是會協助他們取得潰線這件事 |
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那尤其又是在丹納斯這個風災之後的一個復原狀況那我想台電能不能思考就是這部分可能要配合處理因為我們知道現在要有一個新的畜牧場是很困難的大家認為他是零必設施那這些人既然他要把畜牧場恢復然後又想要 |
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搭配所謂綠能的這一塊那是不是這部分的虧陷台電可以來優先來考慮讓他們可以取得虧陷那個委員我們先講結論結論就我們會來做這件事但我想做法上面是不是可以這樣子就是說因為風災就是受損的情緒物色其實有點集中那如果他們都要改上面也要做光電板或綠能的話 |
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那我覺得最好是一次全部大家規劃好然後把潰線拉到一個節點分給大家這樣就會最容易好啊我覺得如果有可能的話就是說如果有協會或什麼東西我們台電嘉義區處我們來跟他們對接看看怎麼做這件事情好不好好好謝謝委員好呃我想要再次詢問一下楊委員所以你的17182122會如何進行 |
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植棄案我們就是減煤100萬噸嘛 那個是OK的 等一下 然後 |
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那個委員我這樣講那個減每100萬噸這一件事情我覺得台中電廠要再減每100萬噸現在我們是2026年這個現在是在省2026年的狀況我們去年講每一年減100萬噸沒有沒有我們沒有去年就過一年一年講委員我們去年就減100萬噸沒有這樣一年減100萬噸我們沒有答應過一年減100萬噸這個都有錄音錄影沒有關係我們可以拿來錄音錄影拿出來看真的 |
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不可能我這樣講我不知道是誰講說每年減一百萬噸我們說去年從一千二減到一千一去年是一千二減到一千一那今年就是一千一減到那是二零二五年對啊就是一百今年一百一十五就是一千嘛 |
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我們去年是1100萬噸那個我跟你講去年減100萬噸跟每年減100萬噸那個不是同一件事我們現在講現在115萬我們現在講去年我們就講了嘛在113年的時候就是說114年就是減100萬噸嘛115年的時候也是減100萬噸嘛我們沒有那個時候就這樣子寫沒有這樣子寫 |
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沒有這樣子起來是大家討論的嘛所以去年是減100萬噸嘛對不對所以我們現在燒的也是如此嘛我們去年的經濟成長率超過8%今年預計超過10%我們成長18%但是我的八點的燃料要先減掉兩個100萬不是 |
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委員我們沒有什麼火力全開的問題我們把發電力可以發出來我們就會盡量發出來我們要供應這個社會現在這個景點成長率我需要的有限這是非常重要的事情我們沒有答應過每年都減一百萬噸真的 絕對沒有 |
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所以114年的時候是我們這次燒1100萬噸114年沒省 我們是113年省 114年的時候減100那就是去年度減100所以114年我們總量是燒1100萬噸 對不對 |
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2025年燒1000噸 114年民國114年燒1100一樣是減100萬噸現在是115年我原本一減這麼多我要跟你講說我沒有辦法今年我沒辦法減這麼多我可以跟你說明我們現在的狀況因為今年的經濟成長率預計要超過10%我的調度單位預計今年到年底到110 |
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大概是要到1064萬噸我們可以再努力的往下降一些但真的不太可能直接刪掉100萬噸因為現在的用電要求就是這麼大就是經濟成長率就在增加這麼多結果我們的發電的能力要被縮減你不能把經濟成長率完全卡在我們的中華我們沒有完全卡在中華而且我們也有地方自治條例我要跟委員報告這幾年來降減量減最多發電量減最多的就中華 |
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所以表示我們是污染最嚴重的啊就剛剛次長有說的啊我們的努力結果最後就變成是被你說明說是我們是最糟的你不能這樣子說不能逆向插座你還是這樣子說我們嗎我們本來就是這麼嚴重才要要求要遞除我們達成的是大家做好好鄰居的工作合作的工作減量那因為也是產量最多嘛我剛才也說了啊也是目前為止單一電廠 |
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單一電廠喔 我們現在二氧化碳的排量還是最多的啊對不對委員不是 我這樣子講沒有 這個是數字來講話我們鎖台中電廠其實不是啦 先等一下我們先休息 因為你要體諒招惹到現在還沒站起來 還在那邊瘦我們休息十分鐘 你們慢慢搶好不好 可以嗎休息一下 休息一下五分鐘 五分鐘 好 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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黃輝繼續,所以第16案,17案對不起那個報告主席我是不是請我們調度副總來說明一下快速說明一下今年大概評估過最後可以大概大概什麼額度 |
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跟委員報告我們評估整個今年的供電情況因為我們的這個經濟成長比較高那整個盤點以後我們原來中火的一個用煤的目標是1100萬噸那我們整個再做調整我們可以來降到1050萬噸這個希望委員能夠來支持那個 |
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謝謝主席那個台電公司我想我們的目標一致就是希望電料組但是你的減碳一定是要依照我們地方健康的需求以及我們技術的一個調升所以我們之前答應的 |
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以氣換煤那也努力了這幾年現在我們的路上有很多還是在挖我們大家地方也全力都配合所以在九月份的時候第一部的天然氣運轉第二部是在十月份所以當時我們約定好的也就是一二部一二部機天然氣正式上了之後呢那麼有兩部的這個燃煤機組就要封存 |
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然後呢有一支煙囪在年底的時候就要請他下來這是歷史性我們等待了很久這個務必要達到可以吧 |
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我們今年就會開始停止運轉所以我剛才說的可以嗎 剛好我說的年底就一個煙囪 一支煙囪要開始進行採取工作這個一定要落實因為這個我們這個地方抗爭也好 協調大家理性討論的協調一定要完成對不對 董事長報告委員 我們會開始採取對 年底開始採取我們一定會採取 |
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對 這個是今年一定要開始拆除一支煙囪這是第一個那第二個也就是因為113年是1200萬噸114年是1100萬噸那這個 |
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我們現在審查115年度的這個預算所以剛剛我們也經過了討論就以減50萬噸煤那我還是要拜託如果在商轉的時候我們仍舊還有可以 |
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因為你九月份天然氣就已經上了那可以少燒煤那你就要少燒煤還是依照我建議的這個一百萬噸來為原則但是我現在同意先就是一百一十五年度購買預算減劣五十萬噸那依照我們剛剛所說的這個原則來做這是第一個第十八案我們風力發電的這個 |
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這個電力的這個部分購入電力我改為主決議但是我還是次長在這裡我還是要請你聽我還是希望合規合法410億能源局在後面411億你現在結案是11.1億 |
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少了400億 我不知道那個憑空消失是為什麼我還是要查清楚 好嗎你還是聯約警察資料給我 還是要查清楚 次長因為不是這麼嚴重 所以一定要查清楚 好不好 好 謝謝22案的這個部分 也改為組決議 |
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好 那所以17案改組決議但是內容要寫成17案沒有 檢列 減50萬噸就夠了沒啊 |
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可是他不是金額沒有一個金額可以給我 |
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那個會計稍微講一下好不好我們補一個數字出來讓我們同仁馬上講一下好不好我們整理一下我們再給好這一個先保留然後往前往下好不好 |
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然後我的19、20案其實我的問題就很單純因為我都寫在我的提案需求書但是我看你們的回答還是不盡很詳細所以我覺得這些都是你們平常應該就有的這些的數據包含你們那些案場、整卸修路然後漁電共生的這些案場的盤查等等我這邊的話總共就凍結你3000萬 |
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19、20總共所以整個在因為還有17案還沒算出來動19案嗎19跟20合動所以各1500你自己調列沒問題好我們自己調17案等他們算完再那個 |
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對 我們最後再回來宣布就可以了這種節省時間 好不好好 再來我們針對營業成本23到31案其中23案李玉玲委員改組決議 |
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好那我們剩兩個案子24跟這一個31那我們請這一個陳董事長 |
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那個跟委員報告主要就是這一個我們的再生能源的發電費用大部分因為大部分是運維跟那個主要還有一些折舊攤體的費用那是一個固定的費用那這個都是台電自建這個是如果是我們自己的銷售成本不是購入的成本的話都是台電自己的暗場在這邊跟委員做報告那31楊瓊英委員 |
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31案是其他的營業成本就是那個服務費用等等這個項目比較多啦那委員是同意我們我們有去跟委員報告過就是這個比較多都是一些比較是雜項的一些服務費用 |
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我個人提出這個也就是在新達電廠它發生了四次的這個重大事故那也包括了在幾年前110年的時候有重大規模的一個停電 |
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那111年更是很大的失誤導致將近550萬戶的一個停電114年9月份的時候呢又受到了這個建廠燃氣的運轉期間那整個都是有被罰錢在這樣子的一個情況之下我希望要勉勵大家啦因為剛剛董事長有說這是我們自己的暗場 |
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那自己的案場因為現在的技術等方面尤其員工的訓練我是建議如果我們依照原先從一而終的這樣子我覺得他絕對沒有辦法去適應他所要做的工作所以在人力技術方面的一個訓練我認為我們應該可以加強這個一定要去加強因為我們要保護 |
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現場第一線員工的一個安全這很重要那你沒有給他訓練他頭腦就沒有這個東西那發生危險那開罰這不是我們希望看到的啊如果說不可抗的因素還有不可抗的因素最重要也就是你的技術要怎麼樣去訓練我們的員工有這個認知作戰的技巧 |
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跟判斷我覺得這個可能董事長你盤點一下這個必須總經理這邊去做多做訓練啦也保障我們員工的一個安全嘛我覺得這很重要在技術跟人力的培訓方面請加強好我們會加強我們的查核管理謝謝31案改組決議 |
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那我的24案的話其實我的問題是跟這個楊全英委員是一樣的因為我是覺得目前在過去你台電的麥寧豐廠張濱工業區的崙偉東水面型的光電廠它基本上就有一些的火災 |
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那這些東西他可能是屬於不同類型的甚至包含這些風力發電機也有那我是覺得在這種公安上面比如說再生能源廠的這個火災的可行性設備安全以及你們是針對各個不同類型的因應的這些的SOP啦甚至是通報疏散等等那我希望給一個報告我可以改組決議但是我希望看到這個詳細的東西好不好二四案 |
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就針對我們那個問題提出比較詳細的需求 好不好好 那營業成本這邊9689億就預算照列 |
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然後接下來我們審32萬噸報告委員我們同仁算出來了就是這個部分剛才內容上面有講嘛就是說台中電廠的燃煤量就是不超過1050萬噸那3減預算數應該大約是3減20.6億20.6億320億好是的謝謝 |
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好那我們14材料及用品費用這裡那總共減略20億然後括號對在17對在17這個項目對然後50萬分括號50萬分每 |
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然後19、20這個就是凍三千萬你那個之前有算出來是不是剛才算出來的那你如果現在是那個起起伏伏啦起起伏伏不是 我說應該以前都沒有講對數量的價格都講金額啦沒有啦 那是決議 |
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那是預算喔因為它價格變動會造成他們的這個預算編列執行的困難喔不過到時候這個煤價一下子這個飆升油價 煤炭這個價如果飆升的話你沒有錢去買啊現在是這樣 |
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我是擔心說過去好像沒有針對數量的處理那個主計處有沒有來那個請問主計我們要處理預算是按照阿伯很近就括號50萬噸不要寫就是剪裂你20億 |
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這樣節省時間好 再來我是主席總書講一下啦他已經上臺他沒有要加注了啦 他就減去20億了啦我主席總書講一下啦主席就這樣 |
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跟委员报告依照预算法第87集88条规定因为如果说基金它是因为业务就是因为经营环境的改变所以造成的那个收支调整它是可以并决算处理所以今天如果它是因为购煤的单价增加的话它是因为环境的变迁像今年战争的关系那它是可以并决算的以上说明谢谢 |
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跟委員報告 我們現在我們把113年審查的狀況跟各位委員說明一遍113年審查的狀況是提預算案但最後變主決議案 然後就是那個台中電廠減100萬噸對 大概是這樣好啦 沒關係啦 就是實施材料用品費就減低20億 動3000嘛 |
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對 就是17案減20億啊然後材料用品費動3000萬那你可以寫一個主決議啊我們寫一個就是320億嘛我們寫一個主決議就是115年改不是不是不是你怎麼可以這樣子呢 |
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現在的話我們就是32到39 |
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那目前的話有35案李玉玲委員改組決議36案邱瑩文改組決議37案蔡易維改組決議38案鍾嘉斌改組決議39案李玉玲委員改組決議那目前有33、34楊瓊英委員的提案請台電董事長說明 |
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好那3334案大概是跟我們現在的就是舉債和利息支出有關那這個部分舉債和利息支出的部分台電公司大概都是一項就在舉債上面我們其實透過很多包括公司債等等的發行其實我們在 |
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地息支出就是利率上面盡量爭取在國內的所有企業裡面能夠相對比較低這個我們一直持續在努力當中但這幾年的舉債跟虧損會沒有什麼關係的部分有一個很大的部分是我們因為要快速的增加供電所以台電這幾年來的資產投資金額非常非常的龐大那這個部分也是我們要增加舉債最主要的原因之一 |
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所以這個部分是這樣子委員我這樣說因為利息這個事情現在台灣也不是自己決定的受到全球等等的一些因素的影響這個部分是不是能夠讓我們維持這個費用因為主要我有很多的利息支出是因為新增投資而產生 |
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來 楊瓊瑩委員謝謝董事長的說明第三十三案新增 主要你利息支出有很多是新增的項目所產生嘛是不是有很多是資本支出因為我們之前一直在討論喔我們是配合政府嘛所以照理講應該你要拿到最低的利息嘛利率嘛那現在呢 你能不能告訴我們一下 |
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現在以前我們也討論過你是分包分批分包這樣利息可不可以再降還是統包大一點的金額會比較少那我們現在採取的財務槓桿原理怎麼去處置呢因為你不能一句話說國際的不是我們可以決定但是呢我們在財務管理的技巧方面要怎麼樣可以去 |
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這個減少支出我們要問的是這個如果委員要問的這個部分我們大概狀況是這樣就是說其實台電的債有長短期的債務那基本上我們會試整個市場利率的波動來調整我們的一些長短期取債的一些長短期取債的一些額度來讓我們整個平均的利率盡量的能夠下降 |
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那我要跟委員報告就是說我們其實台電公司在市場上面舉借的利率來講其實是其實應該是算是還蠻有就是說其實成本不是相對來講是比較低的啦相對來講是利率拿到的利率是比較好的因為不只是短期的狀況台電的性評等等我們大概都有一定的支撐不過 |
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您講的是多長?十年嗎?對啊,你們現在長期拿多少錢?拿多少利率?我這樣說,十年期的總平均是大概多少?然後最近是多少?因為我們現在的話,因為台電公司在籌資有很多不同的管道那所以譬如說像我也會去發行公司債 |
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那公司在這個部分的話它受到市場的影響就會非常的大不是我們自己能決定的所以大家來標的時候譬如說請你告訴我數字好不好好 那譬如說我們最近標的公司在的話我們最近標的公司在五年期的部分大概在百分之二左右因為我們大概是五年期、七年期跟十年期這樣在標的 |
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10年的大概是2.05最近一次所以2.05還2.06而且那是綠債我們有發行綠債希望這樣低我們成本平均是比較低因為平均有長期來講平均就1000年度的來講所以我的平均大概在1.63左右那短期的這個部分的話也分成很多不同的部分那如果說像發行CP這個部分就是它一年期之內發行CP這個部分的話 |
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它也會受到市場的影響因為最近股市實在是非常的熱所以資金有很多排擠的效應所以在短期這個部分我們之前發CP有發到1.9多的那最近有稍微再降下來大概也在1.8多左右1.85以上 1.85 1.86左右以上好 謝謝 |
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我個人認為我們這個管理還有精進的節省的空間那所以我這樣子 凍結5%提書面報告 使得凍資 謝謝好 我兩個月內提好不好34案就改為主決議 謝謝好 所以33案凍結5% |
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提書面報告,兩個月內提書面報告使得動之,好不好好,可以再來三十四案改組決議這樣可以齁好,那接下來的話就是三十四案也是三十四案是改組決議 |
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三一三二組決議 三三書面報告嘛 三四組決議是這樣對 三十二組決議 三十三動5% 兩個月交書面報告 十的動之嘛然後三十四案是組決議 |
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好那接下來我們進行這個40到42營業外的費用那從41按張家俊文改組決議那40跟42是我的提案再請董事長說明 |
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好 那試食案大概也是利息費用這跟委員報告就是我們的利息費用的部分剛才大概有做說明其實台電的利息費用我們的舉債是各種不同的過去一直到現在就是累積起來的 |
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那剛才平均利率大概有跟各位做說明10年期的話大概1.7嘛但最近有比較高其實最近的台灣資金市場的暢旺也真的是有讓利息有比較高一些些所以大概要請委員支持是不是這一個案子跟剛才那個前面的楊委員提案一樣就是我們能夠動5%提出面報告 |
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我覺得這樣子也可以啦 就動5%然後提書案報告 好不好兩個月內可以 OK 好 謝謝然後42%我改組決議好 謝謝所以40%這邊就是動5%兩個月交書面報告好 接下來我們針對固定資產建設的改良擴充那案子應該是從43%到63% |
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那其中的話呢第43案李玉玲委員改組決議44案李玉玲委員改組決議46案的話陳昌明委員改組決議47邱志偉委員改組決議48李玉玲委員改組決議49陳昌明委員改組決議50陳昌明委員改組決議51案陳昌明委員改組決議53案邱志偉委員改組決議 |
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那剩下的話呢 我們來看一下 從你講好不好 給你講那個45萬 |
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對 但是我先處理那個楊瓊英委員鄭天才委員的五十七本席的都是最後處理好不好 先處理其他委員五十七案是鄭天才委員那請這個台電說明一下五十七案 第五十七案 |
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強化電網的擴充計畫那個跟委員報告就是說那個第57案是不是可以就是我們交那個書面報告 |
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謝謝主席那個 董事長我想請教一下 |
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現在在談到你們這個韌性電網的這一些強化電網專案計畫我想請教我們之前有討論過比如說在偏遠的山區為了這個韌性電網的問題設置所謂的家戶或者是部落型的除電基礎設施這個有沒有包含在你們這一些計畫裡頭那如果沒有的話未來有沒有這樣的一個建制計畫的進行或者是預算的進行 |
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那多久之內會開始進行 或者是說有什麼樣的 你有什麼想法好 我跟委員報告幾件事 第一個事情就是我們這個列道固定資本建設的專案計畫都是大計畫 就是用10億在做單位在那邊計算的案子比較多那您提那個案子 我先說結論就是有在做 |
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好那尤其是其實那個能源署能源署已經編了一個公建計畫大約的金額是40億好那會做那尤其是要會做在您剛才講的那些地方就是能源署做不是台電做能源署編預算它是公建因為那個部分的東西其實它比較不是商業行為台電售電是商業行為它那個基本上是等於是加強就是最偏遠地區的地方韌性 |
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這個部分除了在丹納斯特別條例我們在這兩年有差不多8億元可以做之外其實農業署已經提出來依照委員的建議方向針對於偏鄉地區或是管縣末端一層孤島的然後設置一些微電網那這是一個中長期的工建計畫那未來的話台電公司它扮演的角色就是技術來協助的 |
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裝設比較像斑斑有冷氣的這樣子來協助地方政府建設這個對不起我再問細一點齁你所謂的工建計畫前邊在能源署能源署建制是誰去建制還是台電去建制補助地方政府補助地方政府去做對 |
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對 跟斑斑有冷氣一樣的這個合作模式台電來提出技術的資源斑斑有冷氣那整年期那比較小的事嘛就是你這個是電網的部分 它不是台電來做嗎沒有沒有 因為這一個人表號啊 這家戶的部分啊 |
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因為它要鑽這個所謂的儲能設施搭配的所謂的當地的綠電或是太陽光電的這些的部分我們把它整合在一個微電環的計畫裡面 |
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好第二件事情主席我很快第二件事情是我之前在質詢那個農業部林務署的時候也特別提到我們有很多那些赤竹啊或者是一些林木的種植很容易勾斷我們的電線所以像每一次颱風沒有來風大的時候殘留來人山區還是會因為這樣子 |
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這個竹林勾斷電線導致大規模的停電的這個狀態那因為林務署說有一些東西是要台電去修剪這個樹木啦所以我不知道那個分工上面到底會怎麼做是台電府直接去把那些樹木修整還是說林務署自己可以去把那些樹木修整因為有的是林務署的土地有的是國產署的土地但是他說那個修剪樹木都是台電要負責 |
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他是屬地主義管理者權責啦 比如說委員過去關心的因為是公共設施嘛 當然最後 |
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基於說整個這個電網的安全的部分台電會去來做協助但基本上還是以管理權者的單位他要去做這些入宿的一些修減甚至房台措施啊我們現在是希望說包括房台措施也不見得全部 |
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說這是屬於災防單位的一個責任啦這個我知道啦 這個我理解但是我的意思就是說因為屬於林務署管的我就要求林務署自己要去做處理嘛但是旁邊還是有一些道路比如說像田寮 阿聯 內門這邊有一些林業道路或者是它不屬於林業道路的他們其實是希望台電自己去撿嘛那台電有可能自己去撿這些樹嗎我們有 |
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那個跟委員報告每次講全責會講不完啦但是停電都是台電的事台電都會趕快跑去可以修的我們會先修我們只是怕修剪會被 |
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被罰或是被complain或是被抗議我們現在最怕的就是這些事但是為了電網能夠不要停電能夠做的我們都會做但它如果是整個滑動我們就真的比較困難因為有的時候大雨像最近的就最近這一次還是有局部的地方它就是樹木會滑動滑動部分我們如果發生災害那個我們就是要事後來趕快搶救 |
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其實我是覺得這樣你們不要怕被罵啦有一些樹木比如說像那些黑板樹它的容易脆弱容易斷裂你像前年那個山陀而來的時候我們整個沿海地區堤防道路那整個電線斷了掉你們花了一個禮拜都還沒辦法把它復原那個損失是很驚人的所以我覺得這些部分我們也提過這個當時這個賴次長您還在水利署的時候也提過希望氣候局把那些黑板樹全部移植 |
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然後改種其他比較低矮的樹木不會影響到電線電纜的這個部分我覺得還是要持續去做啦好不好委員所關心的不管是景觀或是用電安全或是公共安全的部分我們都會依照委員歷次的決議持續來辦不會因為我也沒有問我們就不做了好謝謝 |
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這樣都主決議了嘛 |
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陽泉委員修正第17案原檢列20億就不用那改成主決議那主決議的話會加速檢探請台灣電力股份有些公司115年度台中火力發電廠檢列50萬噸以上燃煤實用啊跟2024年 |
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來 那個調度副總上來講要做到喔 謝謝不用講了啦不要再浪費我們時間 你要講什麼要做到啦是 委員我們會努力做到來 要做到 你上去啦 你調度的 上去大家一起把它完成董事長站旁邊吧謝謝跟委員報告我們會做到而且會確保供電穩定 謝謝好 謝謝好那 |
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所以我們剛剛的話,現在的話呢固定資產這一塊,所以45跟52還有56、58簡單說明就好,來那個跟委員報告好,就是說來,我們請我們的 |
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營建工程部長好 跟著我一報告 第45案的部分那原本要凍結這個10億元因為我們現在這個整個燃氣計畫非常的多現在包括大潭、興達、台中也都在陸續進行當中在後面的階段那我們是建議改為這個主決議我們會提這個報告 那是不是就不要免於凍結再往下講52 |
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52的是離岸風力發電第二期計畫跟委員報告我想說大概有很多委員都關心這件事情就是我們現在有大概有確定就是今年會持續開始安裝風機那我們也目標希望能夠儘快裝完 |
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那但是這個專網以後後面就會有付款等等的一些議題那個可以報告報告員我們可不可以這個樣子就是說如果你可不可以凍結一定額度然後就比方說凍結一億元我們提書面報告時的凍資你說五十二是不是五二五二對一億啊一千萬都可以啦你不是說凍一億 |
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好 動議議題書面報告 當時就有破例 你不要這樣不然你再說 我就有五億啊可以啦 好啦兩個月 兩個月 好嗎 兩個月 好再來是56強化電網那個 報告委員喔 因為我們這個強化電網計畫大概真的是 就是專案計畫的那個 他們現在是如火如荼在蓋 |
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這個部分是不是可以就直接請我們提出面報告就好因為強化電網計畫真的是現在56萬56萬半的話就改組決議好不好然後照我的那個提案需求寫詳細報告 |
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然後的話第58案我的意見是這樣子第58案呢我為什麼只有小小棟500萬我本人跟你們溝通的時候我是支持AMI這位店表可是我們在法輪做了那麼多年10幾20年那個普及度啊很低 |
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沒有啦 我覺得那個速度很慢啦我也跟台電也溝通過那我意思是說你們現在高壓用戶的都OK啦廢話 我懂了嘛 知道高壓用戶一點的時候OK高壓用戶沒有 這樣智慧電表就怕了現在是中壓那個中低電壓那我現在要問的是說連鎖百貨公司甚至像我們的便利商店那些智慧電表的普及度是多少 |
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原則上百貨公司的用電應該都會有AMI連鎖還有便利商店連鎖的商場也會有但是你如果是那個巷口的7-11可能還沒有那要看區也有了現在也有是全壁都有嗎因為全家OK萊爾富他們已經是全部都時間電價了因為我記得那時候我們努力的是中間要先把萊爾富全家萊爾富這些他們已經加入時間電價就會裝AMI |
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我需要是把中壓的這些用戶的普及數可以拉到跟高壓這個一樣的普及率我這樣講我們會去找一些企業因為他們如果可以參加實驗店價的這個我們會優先做這樣就會效益清楚 |
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好,那這個我改主決,就是我的目標是我希望看到你們中壓用戶跟低壓用戶的普及因為我們智慧電表我十幾年前就開始在做,做到現在普及率大家都說下降下降下降 |
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那我也知道低壓用戶的節電量節電效益是不是很好但是我那時候跟台電溝通是你要讓民眾用戶知道他用電的方式雖然我們知道低壓用戶節省的量可能不是很多但是我覺得你要讓民眾有知道用電他就會去警惕嘛所以我是希望這個計畫是持續好不好好的好阿58改組決議是 |
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好 所以這個整個固定資產建設改良擴充總經費是2611億4288萬2千那52案凍結1億交書面報告 兩個月交書面報告使得凍資那57案的話就是凍結1% 兩個月之後交書面報告使得凍資那其他應該都是 45案有處理嗎 |
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45案的話改組決議但是你要達到楊瓊英委員的要求就是燃氣上去之後然後要在電下然後我的答案的需求因為你的回答還是我不滿意只是說你現在都在蓋 |
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五十七就凍結1%對然後再初年報告然後五十二就是凍結1億那四十五改主決議其他都是主決議啦 |
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好 接下來我們進行這一個資金轉投資這裡第64案請說明跟委員報告因為這個基本上就是我們是原始股東他增資我們就要follow投資那其實台積電這幾年的經營跡象應該是還不錯跟委員做報告那至於您希望我們提的一些說明有沒有因為那個總共有12345666個點那我們會依據那個委員的提案來提供書面報告可以嗎可不可以改組決議我們提書面報告 |
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好 可以 我們列四就改組決議那根據我的需求去提書面報告給我好 所以我們資金轉投資這一塊就預算照列是那接下來我們進行組決議的部分65案65案那個邱志偉委員我們有討論過就文字修正後遵照辦理 |
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好 修正通過66 遵照辦理 參議員通過67 文資修正遵照辦理修正通過68 遵照辦理 參議員通過69 遵照辦理 參議員通過70 文資修正或遵照辦理邱委員有 對 可以齁 好所以修正通過71案 |
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那個七十一到七十六就是七十一到七十六我們可不可以改書面報告然後我們就遵照辦理就是我們提書面報告兩個月之前提書面報告我本來要寫的是什麼就是要同意要詐案報告這兩個沒有咧七十一案沒有七十一你是詐案通過吧七十一是詐案通過 |
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沒有對都給我們一點時間稍微多一點時間我還沒簽沒有嗎阿爸你修一修給我簽好不好你只是要改兩個月嘛好七十一七十二也是要改兩個月只要是專案報告改書面報告好不好就是因為要排議程如果要專案的話都要排所以是書面報告兩個月那你們就寫完修正東西給我簽好不好好 |
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等一下我再回來念,七十三案七十一、七十二、七十三,七十三是主決議那你們有找張家俊委員嗎?快點快點,七十三案你們是怎樣?文字,欸等一下七十三案最後一句話就是因新就病去避免絕命性張家俊委員有沒有簽名?有文字修正通過好,修正通過,七十四 |
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文字修正修正通過75文字修正修正通過76文字修正修正通過77遵照辦理責任通過78遵照辦理責任通過79遵照辦理責任通過80遵照辦理責任通過81遵照辦理責任通過82文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過83 |
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那個文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過84也是文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過85文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過86就是主決議遵照辦理詐騙通過87遵照辦理詐騙通過88就是文字修正後遵照辦理88沒有文字修正喔有有有在哪裡修正哪裡來趕快拿去給委員看就是最後面那一句 |
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兩個月內提出台電公司繳交能源研究發展基金的書面報告你要簽才可以啊有啊你們都沒有給維園簽這個需要那麼長嗎要兩個月嗎因為那個基金期我不是好一個月你們要一個月好一個月好一個月你們寫得出來喔 |
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好 他們說寫得出來 好 那就一個月 八十八案 好 八十八案修正通過一個月內 對 好 八十九來 文字 八十九又文字 八十九一樣修正 |
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那因為我這上案主要就是說我們台電那事實上 |
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這幾年歷經了很多的災害那災害的時候基本上台電的同仁都是在第一線然後尤其像在做復電搶修這個電感的工作事實上非常的辛苦那我們也事實上從台電他的員工的職工府歷經事實上他跟其他的國營事業比起來是比較 |
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是有被一個機制去卡住也就是他們職工你們職工福利金條例裡面的第二條第一項自己去綁了你們每月的營業收入這一件事情要先扣除掉政府補助扣除掉核能貨端營運基金 |
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以及扣除電價調漲所增加的收入基本上我認為這樣對於所謂的員工就是第一線的員工是相對不公平的因為不管是政府補助或是核能的這個後端收入甚至是電價調漲這個都是屬於政策因素那政策因素直接影響到第一線同仁他的職工福利金那我覺得這件事是有需要檢討 |
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那我聽說是過去在我們好幾屆前的立法院他們所做的決議然後綁住了你們沒辦法去修正這個條例那我覺得現在整個時空環境我們希望給台電的基層員工更多的鼓勵所以我們希望用這樣的決議來取代過去立法院在幾屆前的決議讓這個限制可以鬆綁讓你們有更大的彈性去照顧好你們第一線的員工 |
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好謝謝委員我們會遵照辦理好所以90案再案通過91 |
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張安通過92張安通過93張安也是遵照辦理張安通過94張安通過95張安通過96張安通過97張安通過98張安通過99張安通過100100有那個文字修正後遵照辦理 |
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好 修正通過101文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過102文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過103文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過104文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過105文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過106文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過107文字修正後遵照辦理修正通過108 |
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修正後增加辦理修正通過109修正後增加辦理修正通過110 |
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修正後偵查辦理修正通過111修正後偵查辦理修正通過112修正後偵查辦理修正通過113修正後偵查辦理修正通過114修正後偵查辦理修正通過115偵查辦理查案通過116修正後偵查辦理修正通過117修正後偵查辦理修正通過118修正後偵查辦理 |
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修正通過119 遵照辦理加安通過120 修正後遵照辦理修正通過121 修正後遵照辦理修正通過122 修正後遵照辦理修正通過123 修正後遵照辦理修正通過124 遵照辦理加安通過125 修正後遵照辦理修正通過126 遵照辦理 |
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這裡寫了一堆啊 |
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好那我們就順照辦理130就是召喚通過131文字修正後順照辦理修正通過132召喚通過7172你們給我簽了沒7172 |
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其他的等下再簽 |
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其他的等一下再講好71案跟72案均修正通過請宣讀協商結論宣讀115年度的台灣定義股份經濟公司預算協商結論業務計畫預算策略第一案改革組決議 |
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營業總支出有關服務費用部分第2至第13案預算均照列第2至第13案均改為主決議材料及用品費部分凍結3000萬元提出書面報告時的凍資其中第14案、15案、17案、18案、21案、22案均改為主決議營業成本部分預算照列第3至第31案均改為主決議 |
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營業費用部分,有關營業費用向下管理費用之服務費用共結5%,5%兩個月內提出運報告後,使得共支其中第32案、第34案至第39案均改為主決議營業費用部分 |
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有關財務成本向下的利息費用 凍結5% 兩個月內提書運報告後 捨得凍資其中第41案 第42案均改為主決議固定資產建設改良擴充部分第52案 凍結1億元 兩個月內提書運報告後 捨得凍資第57案 照案通過 |
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其中第43到51案第53案至第56案第58案至第63案均改為主決議資金轉投資部分 |
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預算詐劣第64案改為主決議第65案修正通過第66案照案通過第67案修正通過第68案照案通過第69案照案通過第70案修正通過 |
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第71案至第76案均修正通過第77案至第81案均照案通過第82案至第85案均修正通過第86案照案通過第87案照案通過第88案修正通過第89案修正通過第90案至第99案均照案通過 |
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第100案至第114案均修正通過第115案招案通過第116案至第118案均修正通過第119案招案通過第120案至第123案均修正通過 |
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第124案 照案通過第825案 修正通過第126案 照案通過第117案 修正通過第128案 修正通過第119案 照案通過第130案 照案通過第131案 修正通過第132案 照案通過 |
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好 請問各位同仁有為提案部分照剛剛宣讀的結論通過沒有提案的部分均照列或隨同調整 請問有無異議無異議通過125年度台電公司預算審查完畢好 謝謝 那台電公司可以有空就可以先離開 謝謝你要休息嗎也可以啊 我沒有意見啊 |
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我們要休息到幾點?因為他們要吃飯我們協商一下,一點半因為他們也要吃飯,我們不能破壞勞工 |
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因為你是跟他很久喔因為他無期按要改那個書面沒辦法啦 我們一點半可以嘛改書面 OK沒有啦 他就是 因為剛剛我專程動作變成書面我更正一下阿不然有一點啦 |
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第五七案我更正一下更正第五七案凍結一把提書面報告後使得凍結先完畢我們知道好不好一點開會好不好我們現在要兩點 |
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因為楊瓊瑩委應該也會下來啊 柴哥你會在嗎 |
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13992.202 |
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休息到一點好不好休息到一點再繼續開會謝謝各位 |
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14006.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14008.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
這座樓宇是一座建築物的最大建築物。 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14047.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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14049.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14068.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
沙漠中央公園 沙漠 |
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14073.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14074.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14103.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14103.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
好,一點點,一點點 |
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14136.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14136.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
電量會減速 |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14182.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
這張圖是一張圖的背景。這張圖是一張圖的背景。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14192.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
但是但是但是那個是 |
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14307.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14307.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14446.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14446.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14543.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14559.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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14581.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14581.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
谢谢观看 |
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14682.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14682.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
谢谢观看 |
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14831.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14852.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
明镜与点点栏目 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14902.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14944.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14954.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
MING PAO CANADA MING PAO TORONTO |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
14972.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14977.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15044.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
15047.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
谢谢观看 |
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15124.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
15149.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15281.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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15308.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15328.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
谢谢观看 欢迎订阅 |
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15423.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
15424.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
谢谢观看,下次见! |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15539.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15559.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
響鐘 |
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15597.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15598.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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15661.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15662.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
谢谢观看 欢迎订阅我的频道 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15740.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15740.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
谢谢观看,下次见! |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15843.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15845.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
谢谢观看 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15886.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15898.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
感谢观看 |
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16035.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
16035.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
16084.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
16085.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
16135.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
好 我們會議繼續我們先要進行經濟部非營業部分預算的協商那因為中企署署長等一下要去國科會爭取計畫所以我們先處理這個中小企業發展基金這個基金用途案件的數目從119到125案我們先處理這個119到125 |
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| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
好那其中呢119陳昌明委員改組決議120邱志偉委員改組決議121案邱志偉委員改組決議123案賴瑞文委員改組決議125案謝一鳳委員改組決議楊全委員還沒出現好那你先就我的124案先做說明謝謝是 |
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謝謝昭偉那個昭偉您關切的是整個中小企業相關的一些輔導的工作 由委辦計畫承作的比例比較高那因為行政機關的人力確實比較有限所以我們 |
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長年就是跟相關的產業工會法人單位一起合作來就整個協助中小企業特別是都會區以外在各縣市的中小企業來擴大輔導來提供相關的協助那對於這個整個的計畫的執行的這個進度還有相關的這個是不是針對縣市別有特別的注重 |
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對於不同規模的中小企業相關投入的這些成本效益帶來的這些等等我們都有做定期的追蹤也有向召委辦公室做一個報告所以在這部分的話中企署還有經濟部相關單位一定會來加強追蹤執行讓整個的協助中小企業特別是協助他們競爭力提升的部分達到一個最好的效果以上報告 |
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因為我對中小企業也算熟就是說因為你在這個基金裡頭委外這個我想是沒什麼問題但是就是說你委外的廠商應該第一層都是法人吧還是公協會 |
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我們委外的有法人為主但是也有工協會都有兩個都有那法人到底是哪些法法人以這個數位轉型來說我們有工研院有這個相關的製測會但是我們也有中小企業總會也有我們的軟體工業同業工會等等還有電腦工會一起來推動 |
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因為我覺得多元法院執行的時候那你們還是要注意他們的那些的計畫績效的一些KPI那另外就是說因為你們這邊我預算書幫你們整個看完就是說你有中小微企業應用AI轉型升級又有新創富能中小企業升級轉型又有財務驅動中小微碳健檢跟AI應用富能計畫 |
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又有中小微企業數位轉型又有中小企業循環共創計畫還有韌性發展跟全球佈局精進計畫那也就是說你光看這個名稱你看你中小微企業就有AI轉型升級然後還有這個中小微跟AI應用賦能計畫 |
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另外還有一個叫做就是中小企業韌性發展就是說你還有一個數位轉型所以基本上來講就是你的那個名字換來換去然後分成那麼多這個是我非常confuse我相信省計部或主計處他可能也會非常confuse因為你就是把這幾個名字湊一湊就是一個計畫你看AI就出現在兩個地方你數位轉型現在也不可能不用AI |
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或者是說有一部分AI我不能說數位轉型全部是AI那你的韌性又是什麼就是都是這樣所以我的意思是說你這幾個計畫列出來的這些的預算以及要達到的目標會是什麼這個要不要說明一下 |
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謝謝委員那我先報告第一點因為這個長年來這些計畫的名稱確實我們這兩年我們也積極的把這個名稱盡量要簡化讓人家可以看得出來說這個計畫是做什麼就直接很清楚的可以了解 |
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但因為過去在爭取預算以後有些相關的名稱是沒有辦法重複再使用的所以我們會有這樣子的情況那第二點目前AI是很重要的一個工具那中小企業減少他的人力的困難或者是他這個成本過高都是需要再用AI來進行所以包括我們的數位轉型計畫其實最重要是協助中小企業 |
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數位能力提升那很多中小企業其實還沒有用到AI但是我們其實希望他多用這個數位工具所以包含人陪課程還有相關的協助運用適合的這些數位及AI的工具來減少生產管理品管 |
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客服等等的這些作用我們都會持續來做那在這個減碳的部分的話我們也是積極的運用這個AI的工具讓中小企業達到這個效果所以我們也謝謝委員的指正我們會遵照這個指示以後在這整個的一個整理上會更清楚 |
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我的建議是這樣子啦就是說因為你這個地方第一個我相信你要去把這所有的計畫去做一個定位上面要定得很清楚能夠診病的就診病 |
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比如說比如說你數位轉型是AI應用的基礎那就是一個數位轉型你不要再有數位轉型還要再加韌性還要加什麼的 韌七八糟然後你是節能減碳的淨零碳排那就是一個那看它是放在哪裡就是你把那個real map就是假設是一個系統架構的話你把那個底層數位轉型然後有一些是淨零碳排的 |
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然後在網上你有數位轉型比如說你申請完有數位轉型清楚你才能夠申請我的AI的應用所以你要讓他看到這個東西另外有些你講的水平的面的比如說像這個人才培訓或什麼你要放在旁邊那這樣子你會比較乾淨因為我為什麼會這樣擔心接下來還有賴總統講的你們那個是一千億 |
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那你1100跟這些又要怎麼區分我就不相信你那個會寫什麼計畫名稱都被你用完了啦你怎麼在講什麼啊你們1100現在是誰在規劃那個柯委員報告1100目前經濟部也是由中企屬來推動那主要的中企屬來推動那主要的1100是叫做轉型升級發展是目的是希望把這個協助的能量呢 |
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那轉型升級發展跟數位轉型又有什麼差別我們最大的差別是希望把相關的一些資源特別是針對補助、講助、鼓勵的方式能夠盡量能夠觸及到一樣啊 你這邊也是獎勵補助啊 |
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這哪一個不是獎勵補助等於說就是盡量不要再透過這個委辦的方式委辦方式過去是由專業的團隊來提供專業的協助給中小企業但是有更多的這些小微型的企業在商圈在市場或者是在工業區以外那他們的這個規模更小那過去都沒有接受到政府的照顧所以我們新的計畫是希望在這邊能夠對這些企業加強 |
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二方面是對於既有的中小企業所需要的這些研發投資等等能夠有更多的一些租稅優惠來提供給他們那並且加強他們的轉型發展我相信你知道我要談的問題啦因為我有做過那麼多年二十幾年我應該有比你還要清楚 |
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所以我覺得這種跌床駕屋重複利用我就儘量把它釐清第二個你現在下一個階段叫中小為企業的1000億的時候那你跟你前面這一些它到底又是一個什麼樣子的戰略你一定要切割清楚不然齁 那些東西 |
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我們也會來混去因為你要定位清楚你才會有KPI你才會有受眾加速等等我覺得這樣子你們可能會比較好那如果也可以的話如果你們在制定的過程我也可以願意貢獻我的專業就是你也可以來找我們討論然後看或是找各個委員是什麼討論我覺得把這個戰略的地圖規劃先搞清楚 |
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因為你這裡做下去可能就是四年五年的事情好不好來我們楊瓊英委員謝謝楊瓊英發言中小企業發展基金呢是我們全力支持從108年開始我們一直吶喊政府的預算應該部分要給沒工作也有工作我們的中小企業因為台灣80%都在中小企業就業率大概80%也在這裡 |
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那所以一個國家要富強它的根基一定要強但是我看到你的這筆預算呢109年到我們現在看不到114年我看到109年到113年的你們的申請案件 |
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他金額 案件跟金額都在下降那我們就覺得很奇怪我們一直吶喊 一直吶喊為什麼你會是下降的那我們又再詳細看到底是民眾不願意來申請30萬寫一大堆 我不要了 |
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這個可能也是原因之一太瑣碎了 太冗長了 太複雜了我是一個中小企業最像我們說的我們在夜市我要寫一大堆資料先請一個幾十萬的他不要了 最好你不要管我自己來可是現在時間不一樣了 |
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現在一切AI什麼一大堆連那個戳湯圓現在也不用人工他一台機器他轉型到那種程度從一進去粉一進去米漿一進去一直到要戳多少顆的要什麼樣子的他全部都電腦去幫你設定好那出來就你要的這個樣子所以我們中小企業非轉型不可但是你叫他自己去轉型有困難 |
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我真的有困難尤其有碰到二代或者是三代不接的那這些長者他已經到某一個程度了那他怎麼去轉所以我看到的是預算我們全力支持給但是你的申請案件是減少的第一個你的金額也減少那最終我們要看了你的結果論結果你很多申請的廠家他並沒有依照當時申請的內容去完成之 |
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沒有依照這個內容去完成這是你主管機關單位你要去把這些的樣態拿出來我要怎麼樣去應對啊人家沒有辦法照他申請的還是同意就委託誰來申請我就同意發下來很多早期就是如此我不希望是這樣子第一個申請不能那麼冗長第二個他到底要怎麼去申請你要讓他能夠 |
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能夠去申請得到這個是很重要的這是我針對於你這筆預算我就很納悶大家都認為中小企業這麼多大家要來申請可是人家是給你是遞減的這個一個問題待會你回答第二個我要特別說了台灣走到現在比如說我們中科23年我們的產值是兆元以上現在三個科大概是六兆 |
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而且持續在增加所謂的1000億現在行政院要做的我不知道你國科會所講的跟你要做的是不是一樣的我想錢就那一筆1000億 |
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一千億要做這事情這個事情的概念是什麼呢是我們現在這個這個AIR產業這些可是如果沒有底下的基礎產業來協助你也做不了你篤定做不了就像我們有科研區我們也要產業科技園區 |
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也要就像我們上幾次在討論預算就這樣我說你們要橫向要去做好嘛這一個所以他現在政府你的概念我不知道我解讀的對不對他的概念是說我現在科研區占了20%但是我的這個中小企業唯一行的這個部分我們希望運用這1000億讓他可以跟這些人接軌 |
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可以讓這20%結果政府要做的是這個才不會底下的就業率一直流失他要做的是這一個那我們不知道這一千億到底政府未來要怎麼去花就像趙偉剛剛所說的這到底是要 |
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不知道我們還沒有看到但是有知道已經通過了預定要1000億在微型微型的中小企業我們一看到中小企業我就眼睛就亮起來因為我全力的支持我們的基礎產業中小企業 |
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那所以這個唯一行的這個一千億到底未來你說在你們這邊你要怎麼去做你不要再跟今天省的這個預算一樣嘛這個基金一樣我給你錢你反而是遞錢的那這個邏輯很奇怪跟市場的需求它是背道而馳我不希望有這樣的現象因為我再次強調台灣的產業根基 |
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收入來源80%在這一個部分我們希望能夠好好的照顧他們跟政府可以接軌這才是我們要通過這預算的用意請署長 |
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謝謝謝謝委員的指導第一個問題這個楊委員關心還有九委員關心您那個預算那個是我們編列出來是促進中小企業加速投資台灣相關的利息的補貼的費用那在前面幾個年度我們編列的都有10億多那今年我們編譯了7億6千萬 |
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那主要這個錢是用來做相關的利息補貼還有這些相關的協助費用那因為中小企業加速投資在行政院去年7月把後面這一期的這個方案給他定案就是說持續會有利息的補貼而且提高到1%支付期間有3年等等 |
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所以在這個我們看到是說因為過去去年上半年還沒有定案的時候廠商在這個投資上面可能會比較去觀望一下因為他不曉得政府方案是不是繼續後來我們繼續以後就持續的可以推動到116年年底為止所以跟委員報告今年上半年我們整體的這個中小企業家族投資方案已經有到46件 |
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那這46件有200多億的投資金額因為中小企業所以每一案投資的件數可能是從這個幾千萬一直到這個1億或者是10多億所以這些錢的支用我們預算的支用會受到他們貸款金額影響那委員剛剛有提出很多的這些已經核准的計劃 |
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是不是要去追蹤讓這個中小企業持續的能夠協助他們排除這些投資建廠的困難能夠盡快的運用這些所帶的資金進行建廠投資擴充等等這都是我們經濟部包含投資服務辦公室持續要在推動的那今年我們編列的預算是7億6千萬那我們 |
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估計我們今年我們應該可以把這個利息的補貼以現在的比例來看我們可以用到大概5億左右但是我們確實還要持續的加強來推動因為這個錢是要留作更多的中小企業投資在台灣相關的這些貸款的經費給他更多的這些利息的補貼所以這部分我會加強那以投資的情況來說今年上半年 |
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中部地區是最多 台中市有43件彰化地區有相當的件數然後台南高雄也都有10多件其他的地區我們也持續來推動那因為中小企業反映他現在取得這個土地有時候也會比較困難一點因為大塊的土地 合適的土地可能就已經越來越少所以這部分經濟部也在 |
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加強簡化相關的程序 全力來協助那第二點就是國會會的計畫應該是以這個科學園區為主所以我們經濟部特別是我們針對中小微企業相關的 |
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國客會當然是國客會有一種 我現在是講那個1000億的那個部分1000億的部分的話 我們是要放在小微企業的競爭力的提升所以特別對於這些他們的轉型發展商圈 夜市 還有這些相關的產業聚落的企業能夠提供更多的一些 |
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補助協助的方案等等那另外呢另外也是要對於這個普惠的金融更加的來重視所以希望能夠再擴大對於小微企業在貸款上面的一些協助我們要持續去擴大我們中小企業信用保證基金的能量等等 |
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然後這個目前就如卓院長所提到的我們現在在加緊跟相關的部會討論這些相關的內容我們也會盡快的在行政院完成討論以後呈送到立法院來然後來提供立法院大院的一個審議然後來推動才會去制定相關的計畫 |
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我謝謝你的回答但是我要告訴你的就是說我們看到你去年10億然後今年是7億換句話說我給你提出的從109年到113年你的案件數跟預估的金額他是達不到的是下降的我指出的點是在這裡 |
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所以我非常的希望我反而希望能夠看到說你去年利息補貼以及服務費用你是10億今年你11億表示我的中小企業是蓬勃發展的而且願意跟政府去合作的你反而是相反的所以這是我憂心的地方我憂心的地方所以這個部分我請你一定要加強好不好你的 |
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這個這個申請的怎麼樣去簡化然後讓我們的中小企業知道你來這案子是好事你看你已經執行了從108年到113年到114年到現在的115年他才知道是有利息補貼是延續的那你等於你那三四年沒差了對不對是政府的美意人家不知道還是你們講不清楚這是我提這個案子的目的 |
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是在這裡那你了解了之後這個案子我可以做主決議但是剛剛所討論的那一些一定要去徹底的去達成那最後我要講的就是說我說的國科會他已經意識到 |
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不管是科研區他務必要跟我中小維合在一起因為十一住行都要跟我中小企業合在一起我講的意思是這樣子所以既然人家這麼已經看重我們中小型企業尤其現在維因為現在AI他只要一個人他甚至不要有店面他生意可以做很多 |
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這個方式都已經要再改那我們要怎麼樣去協助他們因為即使在我再重複講科研區裡面的所有的人他十一住行還是離開不了我們的微中小企業的這一圈嘛所以我說人家已經看到了我們的應對 |
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未來你這一千億要怎麼樣去執行之我希望能夠開花結果啊是璀璨的啊而不是往後推的我的目的是如此加油好 謝謝好 |
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要改組決議 所以針對楊全文委員的這個意見你們在組決議裡頭再去做說明 好不好如果楊委員有需要你也可以去他辦公室再做說明 OK那我的124案也是改組決議但是有組決議的文字等一下請你們去 |
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稍微就是把它調一下就是說第一個我希望剛剛我念的這幾個計畫你們在主角裡頭可能要交出這個報告就是整個去把它盤點那個position定位然後第二個的話你未來這個中小企業的那個1000億的升級的計畫你會是怎麼規劃然後跟你前面這一些到底有沒有什麼樣子的不管是銜接或是擴充或是幹嘛 |
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那第三個就是你過去到這邊的KPI你們現在寫KPI的時候不要告訴我那種繁星點點我很討厭什麼XX圈圈企業然後什麼什麼獲得什麼東西XX圈圈企業的升級那個對我都不是重點 |
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重點是說因為我給了他他升級到什麼能量有點像楊全文委員這樣講的就是說我可能是這個中小委那我因為這樣而搭上半導體供應鏈對不對以前我是做這個扣件的對不對我可能搭上金屬航胎或者是這個比如說這個牙醫的這個製齒的什麼樣子的金屬架橋架這種我說 |
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弄一個比較聚落型的一個成果啦好不好就是說你不要一點一點一點這樣子不是很好好不好那我改組決議然後就是照我這樣子的要求去做這個內容的撰寫好不好好那我們這個中小企業發展基金因為119到125全部都改組決議所以預算好照列 |
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謝謝委員因為等一下那個署長要去開會所以等一下就是次長代打次長說要主決議他來就可以他要寫你還有沒有時間你還可以齁好來這是全部的主決議喔不是只有他的喔等一下再回來 |
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因為不是跟他一樣 好 那就這樣子 來因為他剛剛有事 所以我們先處理中小企業基金的不是 他的主角不是只有你而已對 所以不用好 謝謝委員 |
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好我們回到這個一開始業務總支出這邊業務總支出的話我們處理兩個案子第一案先奉委員改組決議第二案先奉委員改組決議 |
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業務總支出這裡的第一案跟第二案好那接下來我們進行科技產業園區的作業基金首先我們處理業務總支出的第三案跟第四案提案委員在場楊瓊一文請單位就楊委員的說明 |
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好 原管局報告 本案謝謝委員提醒 就是科技基金裡面有一些新的開發計劃是用擠債的方式來籌措資應那我們目前的收入來源基本上是來自業者的維護費用管理費用等等那委員是提醒我們是說雖然看到 |
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目前每年都有一處但是呢還是要注意財務的風險那感謝委員的提醒啊後續我們在這些開發計畫呢以舉債的方式我們會用穩健務實的方式來做處理也會做開源絕流那尤其是積極的招商廠商一進來做營運有收入之後我的維護費用管理費用我就會有收入那這部分呢我們會積極的來處理那是不是委員可以准許我們來改做組結議那我們會提書面報告以上 |
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我預估你到今年度年底你可能大概會你的長期債大概會30幾億大概會這樣子34億左右但是我們看到收支的剩餘 |
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你從111年的1.3億左右 你是大幅一直減減到今年115年 你是剩下剩一千萬所以你減一萬多對不對這個數字這麼大 你減幅了將近九成 這個損益兩坪那你未來萬一又有什麼大事件的時候 那你怎麼扛啊這個是我們必須要 |
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要去承擔的因為當然你們這個科技產業園區裡頭的這個土地啊活化的部分也有在進步但是還是有一些可是你不能說你這幾年你少了一億多哇這米還沒錢呢那未來要怎麼辦如果要再有一個大變化那這個該當怎麼辦所以我就請你我們有討論過啦我可以改組決議但是你要去研議 |
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是因為很怕說一個政策改變或者是現在這個技術方面啊廠商的變化很大你要怎麼樣去有有未雨綢繆的這個預防性我覺得這很重要因為臺灣畢竟土地是最寶貴的是的所以你擁有了最寶貴的資產但是我們的收入是越來越減少這個邏輯也怪怪的好不好你去研議那個經濟方案啦好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好所以我們第三案楊委員改組決議所以業務總支出的部分就預算照列接下來我們進行固定資產建設改良擴充5673案其中第五案陳昌明委員改組決議第六案陳昌明委員改組決議 |
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好所以預算照列再來第二項產業園區開發管理基金我們處理這個業務總支出第8案到第16案其中第8案陳超明委員改組決議第9案陳超明委員改組決議 |
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第13案賴瑞龍委員改組決議第14案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議第15案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議第16案陳超明委員改組決議那在場委員有11、12案楊瓊英委員提案請就單位做提案說明 |
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是 那第11案是委員對我們園區這一些業者的閒置土地的改善方式那目前我們對於業者的改善方式其中有一種方式就是做地面型的太陽光墊那委員是覺得土地資源寶貴 |
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讓廠商用地面型的太陽光電暗場去做執行這個是不符合經濟效益那謝謝委員的指導我們基本上為了要讓園區的土地可以能夠有高度的使用所以我們有組成追蹤列館的會議那這個會議我們都會把相關業者請過來然後請他們針對使用的方式做說明那我們也鼓勵大家現在整個景氣都相當的算熱絡 |
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應該做土地有效的規劃使用當初是為了因為顯示土地它有一個裂管的壓力所以廠商會用色太陽光電先做緩解事實上因為景氣的一個好轉所以應該要有更好的一個使用方式部分的業者也都聽懂我們的建議都有在考慮我們都有追蹤管考的機制我們會繼續來push |
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所以是不是也可以讓我們改組決議那延期管理局會積極的來辦理相關的後續積垂事宜這個我們記得在疫情之前我們那時候經濟很好大家找不到土地的時候我曾經講過了一句話說把土地供救沒土地沒人提供救就往上發展那所以呢我們增加了科技產業園區呢農機增加120 |
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所以像卡隆他們當時就是這個先拆A棟然後在B棟工作B棟升高之後再搬過來不是拆A棟就是先在這邊然後他們先去蓋A棟往上120的這個多了兩個樓層或者一個樓層 大家是度過了這個時間 |
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所以土地是這麼這麼的珍貴那怎麼會是用這樣子現在大家土地很難取得所以土地這麼珍貴我就是建議說要遞盡其力遞盡其力那所以我才會提了這個案子但是我就覺得現在廠商你們有努力在跟他們溝通 |
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那既然是如此 那我建議我們還是要有精進方案所以動100萬給你們去精進那個方案談論在各個科技產業園區繼續去努力那精進方案報告時的動次 OK好 所以11 12的話就是總共動100萬書面報告 對 |
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11動100萬書面報告時的動之12改組決議好謝謝委員我們來努力好接下來的話我們進行到固定資產建設改良擴充第17案陳超明委員改組決議所以預算照列好接下來我們進行組決議的部分首先第18案 |
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遵照辦理 章案通過第19遵照辦理 |
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委員同意文字修正 |
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好 修正通過 31委員同意文字修正修正通過 32 遵照辦理 召喚通過 33 遵照辦理召喚通過 34委員同意文字修正好 修正通過 35委員同意文字修正修正通過 36委員同意文字修正修正通過 37 |
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委員同意文字修正修正通過38 遵照辦理章案通過39 遵照辦理章案通過40 遵照辦理章案通過41 遵照辦理章案通過42委員同意文字修正 |
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好 修正通過43委員同意文字修正修正通過44 遵照辦理詔案通過45 遵照辦理詔案通過46 遵照辦理詔案通過47 遵照辦理詔案通過48 遵照辦理詔案通過49 遵照辦理詔案通過50 |
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委員同意文資修正修正通過51委員同意文資修正修正通過52委員同意文資修正修正通過53遵照辦理章案通過54遵照辦理章案通過55遵照辦理章案通過 |
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接下來我們進行水資源作業基金預算提案匯總表這邊主要我們先從業務總支出56案到第60案 |
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那其中57案陳廷飛委員改組決議60案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議那在場委員有提案的主席還有楊瓊英委員我們先針對楊瓊英委員第58案請單位做說明 |
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謝謝趙偉也謝謝委員提出這個58案那在58案裡面楊委員特別提到這個有關於水庫的簽約的重要性尤其特別點出來我們水利署所負責的石門、石缸、集集、真文 |
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等這些水庫應該加強清淤的工作那這一個部分特別跟委員報告石門跟增穩水庫在過去幾年的努力之下我們每年的清淤的量能都比過去現在淤積的還來得多所以也就是說石門跟增穩水庫事實上這幾年來我們的水庫的一個有效庫容事實上是維持或者是更好 |
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那至於石崗 吉吉 高坪堰等等這些都是屬於河川型的這種南河堰的概念那都會隨著大雨來會做適度的沖淤所以整體而言在水利署所進行的這些水庫都是有秩序的有計畫在進行控管以上跟委員報告說明楊卓銘委員 |
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石門跟曾文水庫跟石崗壩集集宴、高屏宴這五座大概我們的平均預計量應該都有三成我們就心裡在想如果當它是 |
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沒有大水的時候那這個時間是我們的關鍵時刻趕快搶 趕快債 趕快清對不對那還有沒有辦法可以讓它容量多一點因為我們現在地球暖化有時候 |
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他不下雨那麼久那甚至看水的時候我們在台中還要分為國宿公路東邊西邊這樣子去停水大家還要治水很麻煩尤其是那個農業的更辛苦看到農地壁潰農地壁潰那個心很痛啊作物在上面啊那所以我們在想那如果三層還有沒有什麼方案 |
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有錢有預算給你可以怎麼樣去做因為現在的清音王室跟以往一定有更進步的技術 |
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更進步的盤點管理啊那是不是我們現在大概大概三成多那有沒有機會可以再去盤點荒漫技術也好還是你們怎麼樣去排序等到天光被下不下的時候我們趕快stand by就趕快搶了 |
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是不是這樣子 因為這分秒再強的你一下以來就沒辦法了 委員大家報告 委員說得對其實我們在清淤上面我們是多目標共同在執行上有積水區做保育進入庫區以後我們現在石門跟針骨洞做排沙隧道利用大水來使用水的濫 為這泥沙帶出去另外我們現在都有抽泥船像酒門有沙灘抽泥船 |
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專門有四台抽泥船變相的為這個泥沙放在現在你在做的就是我告訴你的答案很重要五座還是淤積三成以上但是我們這幾年來越來越好我們現在的淤積已經減緩而且每年有回春的情形我們現在一年比一年的淤積的量能少一點點不一定 |
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老天爺說會跟你開玩笑是 我們持續努力所以我的意思是說你必須要有你的制度方案然後你stand by在那邊是是是因為到你就趕快搶沒有錯因為這個非常重要啊是是好不好是 謝謝委員提醒這個是我們最重要的工作 |
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對啊你不要給我回答你們現在所做現在所做我就告訴你答案嘛我希望比三成多還少嘛你少一分我們多存量這對民眾才是有幫助的嘛好不好那你幫你們可以還有可以技術改變或者是管理方式改變或者是經濟方案給我可以可以我們會整理一份多元區劃的方案再給委員再請委員指導謝謝委員好第58案改組決議 |
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然後邱委員 邱議員好 謝謝主席這個我follow一下楊委員的提問署長 你們剛講說你現在的那個除了石門的排沙隧道以外還有哪些地方有做排沙隧道報告委員 基本上九門有 石門有然後我們現在徵問也做好了 |
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白河水庫也做好了南化也做好了現在物色水庫正在做所以事實上台灣幾個重要水庫能夠有條件做防疫隧道的我們都極力在做那剩下用抽泥的方式也在進行所以你現在的這個淤積的已經少於三成嗎 |
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它慢慢會減緩就是說像徵穩我舉例徵穩長期的淤積量是540萬方一年會進來的量但是我們去年清了604萬方石門也是一樣概念石門平均淤了340萬方我們去年清了400多所以我們每年都在努力有抽泥船然後用鹿挖的方式然後用所以你不能做排沙隧道的就是用抽泥船去做嗎我不是一起做 |
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因為你不一定是每一個水庫都能夠做排沙隧道那你不能做排沙隧道的你是用哪一些方式是我們有多元去化可以達到什麼樣的狀態這個是不是也能夠有一些說明報告可以可以應該的這個也是我最重要的工作另外就是說我每一次啊都要跟你們提醒那個阿公店水庫我一說你們次長就在笑了 |
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你們阿公店水庫每次到了夏天就把水放光光對我們現在有留一點量喔聽起來沒有什麼問題但是你下面的土石那個泥沙被太陽這樣照以後全部乾掉硬掉第一個你要清潤也不容易第二個你沒有維持一個基本的水面 |
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我們現在維持到30左右 阿公電水庫就雜草重生 拍框到要壞掉每年要跟你們說一天 沒說你們就再照相 再給它漏掉我會留一定的一個水位你們每一年都這樣答應我啦但是每一年忘了提醒 忘了講的時候就是又把它放光光啦那你們那個土石 下面的土石被太陽這樣照 照到乾掉的時候是不是對你們的清淤其實也是不利的 |
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應該是如果有乾掉 不然我們會用陸挖的方式然後阿公電像我們 陸挖的塵土飛揚啊是是 這個我們來努力陸挖的塵土飛揚啊對對對 這個我們來努力所以我在說 我猜剛剛其實要問就是說你們的清淤方式除了排沙隧道 除了你的抽泥船以外還有哪一些方式在做 |
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不能做排沙隧道的像阿公店這種比較小的水庫平面的這種你們應該要怎麼樣去做清好這個我們再提出個報告給你可以應該的應該的謝謝委員指導謝謝 |
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好 我的提案的部分因為節省時間我的問題就跟我寫的需求是一樣通常你的這一個水資源的作業基金就辦理水庫發電給水觀光等等這些的用途但是因為現在 |
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我也不曉得哪一年開始我們的水庫可以去做水面光電板當然這些你的有一些廠商也會給你一些租金但是你這些的作業的費用當時你在估的時候有沒有包含這一些比如說你的光電板損害浮台破裂支架外面模組破損甚至水質的疑慮到底是業者 |
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要去付還是你又從這個水資源之軍還是台電還是誰去負擔這個到底有沒有明定啊阿鮑委員首先所有的費用都是由業者評估我們不負擔任何的費用阿他如果簽不好了不會有這種問題因為我們跟他簽約都有你確定喔阿我每天送票給你簽阿簽不好了你會對他罰款還是怎樣 |
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會 因為我們跟他 像舉個例子在我們這些水庫型的 烏山頭水庫就是那個烏山頭水庫是那個農水署的啦農水署管那個對不對不是我們管的 那個是但是阿公家比我們的阿公店是我們的阿公店像我們舉阿公店的例子我們當初跟他合約有三千萬的旅業金他還沒接受我們會罰他錢那旅業金要用完要怎麼辦不會啦不會啦 我們會來處理啦 |
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有下決議啦現在是說有些的災害或損失的時候我說那個還是要跟廠商記得追究好不好主決議啦然後把我的那個報告寫進去是 |
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好 所以因為總支出的話五六五七五八六十都是主決議所以預算就照列那因為我們那個林黛華委員主席 謝謝水利署包括次長本期關心你們這個自來水管 沿管 |
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那經過的鄉里災害遣失區域是不是有真的納入這個回饋的區域在本席的選舉當中次長您擔任署長的時候也感謝您親自出席也實地的跟著我就是騎摩托車上去 |
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那所以目前你們的回饋機制 門名管線是經過這兩個里的一人招名 可是他是管線經過 可是他沒有收到回饋耶都只有旁邊的 其他的 反而是他們是最平坦的地方管路要挖 包括你現在太舊彎心也是經過這兩個里 |
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然後呢你的這個如果真的在這個這個我們基層這個地基下限管線出現了什麼問題那也是這兩個所以我已經明確的要求您在這個自來水在自來水管修改這個自來水法的這個包括這個水質水量保護區的回饋相關的規定 |
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你們應該要去提出修法來一定要納入管線經過的鄉里跟災害潛勢區域這是第一個第二個針對偏鄉你的這個補助你們這個無自來水區域的補助的比例要提高越偏鄉你的比例要更高你現在只有整個偏鄉沒有極度偏鄉的比例啊那這兩個問題你回應一下吧 |
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非常感謝委員提到我們全國所關心的議題也是歷次我們經濟委員會所有的委員所關心的讓民眾擁有安全穩定的水量 |
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這個部分有分了兩個層面第一個層面是我們希望在偏鄉或是極度的偏鄉或是水庫周遭原住民地區它不會因為我核定的成本的上限而受制於它無法改善這個部分水利署已經在第五期的計畫裡面在進行檢討 |
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那檢討的部分當然過去的這個計畫因為有委員會的協助我們讓水庫的周邊成本提高到80萬那其他的地方100萬那其他的地方是80萬左右那這個已經比過去核定的上限大幅的提高但是我們還不滿意因為我們 |
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越來越多的地方它改善的成本會越高所以我們會朝幾個方向針對於儲水設施針對於淨水設施甚至是在地的淨水廠我以台水公司在最近在阿里山鄉做的這個樂野的這個儲水池為例事實上當地只要做好一個儲水池的話當地就可以穩定供水了 |
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這個是一個方向第二個方向是委員所提到的我們一起到這個大寮這個地方去我們看到的所謂的回饋的部分這個我們也跟委員也深有同感所以水利署的部分已經有提法案在修改因為很多的受限的地方補助的地方 |
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他剛好因為受限於村裡可是他事實上要移動的這個地方影響的區域這個沒有被照顧到我們希望把它擴大這個方向我們在努力市長很明顯你有正面的去正視這個問題那我希望的了解是時程你包括你的修正方案在偏鄉或者是極偏鄉的地方那你從80萬100萬你認為還要再增加嗎 |
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有的地方還要增加有的地方還要搭配減水的設施那你什麼時候提出來呢我們這個是因為五期的計畫現在在實施中我們不希望說因為這個的修正影響到五期的計畫的更動那是不是給水利署一點時間再送報告給委員一個月內 |
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一個月內其實你們都已經有方案了只是在你的行政程序請你加快那包括你這個回饋區的部分的檢討回饋項目的因素的這個檢討你們法案什麼時候提出來我們這個已經送了我也要求一個月同步一個月好不好現在是7月那就8月15號以前我們再提資料給委員謝謝 |
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好謝謝主席好那接下來我們進行這個固定資產建設改良擴充第61案改為主決議第62案楊求英委員的提案請單位說明 |
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18997.818 |
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那個報告委員有關於62項楊委員特別在關心我們的執行進度的部分那特別跟委員報告那確實依照我們的資料顯示在104年在4月份的時候他的一個執行進度偏低 |
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19016.371 |
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19038.229 |
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那事實上我們在104年我們的整個執行預算是95.91最後達成那因為我們的水資源的特性有時候在推動過程裡面有些要計價可能會要驗收以後才能計價不過這個部分也是列為我們未來要去經濟的部分也謝謝委員給我們指導我們以後會來努力以上報告 |
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19039.36 |
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19066.782 |
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我們楊瓊瑩委員發言謝謝因為水對於民眾來講是很重要的所以當預算出去也是你們編列你們謀定您訂的這個計畫然後去編列預算送立法院 立法院同意之後當然我們檢視的就是說你這四項裡頭實名水庫也好中文水庫也好你這四項裡頭你的執行率 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
19068.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
19089.717 |
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我給你做了平均你如果八項總平均你在去年的八月份我給你看了你是53.4%你的執行率是如此那另外還有還有還有這個就只有未達到三成比如說你的這個政府水庫它的一個風景改善計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
19091.158 |
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19113.365 |
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你的義興機組冷卻水的這個部分 過濾水的一個更新這下還達不到三成那你新竹海淡廠跟台南的海淡廠你的第一期兩項你從112年開始到去年8月你也沒有達到六成 也未及六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
19115.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
19130.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
當然這些因素很多但是我們就是希望說既然已經編訂除非你有不可抗的因素但是我們跟你盤查有沒有什麼不可抗的因素啊那為什麼會這樣子呢這個邏輯很奇怪啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
19131.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
19147.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
為什麼會delay的那麼多所以呢這樣子啦 我來凍結10%你要提出你的書面資料你慢了到底是什麼原因那到底為什麼會推動不了我們還是要知道原因 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
19149.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
19177.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
好請邱志偉好謝謝那個既然62案是楊委員提案齁這個各縣市都會用到這筆錢吧應該各縣市都會有齁這個署長這個是基金的跟水庫有關的各地方都有水庫對不對對啊所以是全部各個水庫都可以用到會有影響比如說那個北高雄海水淡化廠 |
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19180.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19204.257 |
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會會用到這筆錢嗎?那現在地點找到了嗎?那個委員我們持續在做溝通啦這個要為籌謀 這是前瞻部署因為未來S囊帶中心就是從沙崙一直到到高雄的南財沿區啊所以如果有在那個海蛋廠多了10萬噸一天多10萬噸嘛那個海蛋廠還可以喝你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19206.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19229.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
這我跟委員去喝過了所以10萬噸不是用來 主要是要協助工業用水嘛還是產業用水 那如果民生用水也可以用海灘廠的嘛也可以嘛 如果必要的時候嘛它比較貴啦 所以我覺得這部分是不是積極再去因為這個區就我跟邱營的選區附近 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
19232.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19241.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
所以你現在選擇永安 永安那個地方好像有一些疑慮那是不是還可以找其他地方在現在的興達電廠裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
19245.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19260.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
現在變成泥麵所以我是覺得這個部分先知道水庫還有一些海淡廠一些設備因為永遠是不要動那麼多10%是動得很爛的我們是動10% 請他進行方案我是想建議動10% 請他進行方案說明資料報告使得動之有什麼困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19274.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19286.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
他已經 你看內容一下好不好我們是民意代表 他delay那麼多他才三成多 五成多 六成多 十幾億用不完 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
19291.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19298.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
北高雄也是然後新竹也都是啊這個不是畫plugin的我們在這裡審查預算要講的道理對啦 你趕快報告你再進去報告嗎從快從好然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19306.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19334.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
首先跟主委委員報告在委員會的支持之下無論我們經過百年大旱或是近來的天災事實上我們都能因應啊特別是在水資源的部分我們都未雨綢繆無論是北中南區我們都先做所以說拜託這個部分能不能給我們適度的考慮像這個台南海蛋廠跟新竹海蛋廠台南海蛋廠絕對一定還是要加速來進行的啊所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
19336.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
19355.433 |
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他會加速啊 這明年就要試水啦新竹今年就要試水所以現在是花大錢的時候我們要趕快加速啊 你今天當然趕快出來阿公店那個輸菌啊 也是用這筆錢嗎對 然後最後是那個高雄的海帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
19356.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19374.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
海淡廠他們現在在規劃 上次有承諾過委員是找過位置的時候要跟委員稍微跟地方溝通 因為地方一定要支持 地方一定要支持 民意一定要支持好 我們就盡量報告寫快一點寫好一點好 我們這個地方這個我剛剛也一再強調 水很重要但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19382.608 |
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19399.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
我們再回想 你既然很重要你為什麼會delay那麼多這是我今天提這個案子的主要原因這為什麼 你如果可以承諾沒關係 你如果承諾你們在今年度去把它進度趕上來我們可以改為主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19401.482 |
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19410.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
可以 絕對可以你要答應喔因為你的三成多五成多六成所以你今年度一定要我們還是會算帳的嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19418.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19442.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
那個 次長跟署長 次長您剛剛講到那個阿里山的那個儲水的設備是不是跟我之前跟您提過的那個我們在山上弄的簡易自來水但是是有過濾系統的那個簡易自來水的概念是一樣的那個有點類似那可不可以給我一些比較詳細的計畫那我們之前一直在談說比如說像寶萊啦 桃園山區的這些偏遠地區無自來水的 |
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19443.18 |
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19468.239 |
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是不是能夠比照這個方式我們去大量或者是快速的去建置這樣的一個儲水系統然後能夠供應這個穩定又乾淨的水源給給偏遠地區的居民是不是也有一個相關的這樣的一個計畫在進行是不是也能夠一併合夥 好不好那另外這個阿里山這個企劃是蔡議員跟陳冠羽委員事實上從113年就開始來做你這樣很噴心 |
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19474.291 |
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19493.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
講預算不用再講那些了好不好就結束了來62案改主決議然後要畫均定狀不然就提頭見是年底達成進度甚至超越進度是好不好謝謝好那固定資產這一個就預算照列 |
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19495.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19521.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
好我們接下來進行主決議的部分主決議第63案 遵照辦理 張安通過64遵照辦理 張安通過65遵照辦理 張安通過66遵照辦理 張安通過67遵照辦理 張安通過68修正後遵照辦理修正通過69遵照辦理 張安通過70遵照辦理 張安通過71遵照辦理 張安通過72遵照辦理 張安通過 |
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19525.418 |
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19541.66 |
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好接下來我們進行的是經濟特別收入基金的首先第一個是推廣貿易基金那第一個基金來源第73案張家俊我們不在所以照列 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19542.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
19552.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
好 再來基金用途74案到87案其中75案邱志偉委員改組決議78案賴六龍委員改組決議79案邱志偉委員改組決議第83案賴六龍委員改組決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
19559.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
19572.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
第86案 謝依鳳委員改組決議87案 謝依鳳委員改組決議目前在場委員有提案 我們先處理楊委員的議案分別是77 80請單位說明 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝張委 謝謝楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
19581.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
19608.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
有關於楊委員關切的77案是有關於貿易推廣計畫裡面的旅運費的部分那有關於這個旅運費部分那基本上這裡面的旅運費會包含就是我們參與國際雙邊的經貿諮商會議多邊的會議等等然後還有就是參與海外會展以及拓銷團 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
19609.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
19635.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
的出國的旅運費旅運費都在這個裡面那最主要就是這幾年的執行的問題是因為是疫後有一些國家因為他們的預算還沒有辦法跟上來所以就是本來前一年可能講好今年要到他的國家去召開會議那臨時因為他們的預算不夠就只好改成 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
19636.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
19660.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
視訊的方式 那另外也有一些國際組織 也是因為現在還沒有完全的恢復所以會改成Hybrid的方式 就是實體跟線上方式混合的舉行 那有時候對於就是比較遠的地方 那他們就是不會發邀請函給我們 就讓我們用視訊的方式來參加所以因為這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
19662.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
19689.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
就会使得那个执行率就是跟前几年尤其是疫情前来比就会有一些的这个差异那另外还有就是在海外会展跟脱销团的部分那这几年我们是积极的协助台湾的厂商到国外的拓展所以这个部分有关于这个预算部分我们的执行都是超过八成以上那再加上 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
19691.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
19702.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
近期這個國際情勢的影響這個油價也上漲所以其實旅運費用一直都在增加所以我們希望委員這邊能夠同意我們免雨刪減好 楊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
19707.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
19729.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
這個部分我們看到你們以往這幾年編列的在我們看到112跟113當然那個執行率都不到五成都是49 41114年去年8月底你們才17.76那現在的科技方式尤其你在111年 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
19731.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
19760.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
你們111年你那個大陸地區的理費你們有編我們也通過但是你們是執行率是零那我們就高度質疑說當然我們支持貿易的擴展到全世界甚至我們有很多會展經濟的甚至認為不夠還要求你們要加碼政府要加碼但是既然預算給了為什麼會執行率是這種形這第一個第二個現在有很多的方式線上 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
19761.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
19785.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
也沒有說直接一定到那裡去現在有很多是以線上方式去執行之我不知道你們編入115年度的預算你是依照以往的方式去編還是你有調整現在的經過了這幾年你執行率不佳的甚至大陸地區你如果認為不要去你怎麼還是編那編了然後執行率是零那你到底是有編還是沒有編 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
19787.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
19808.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
那你的編列的依據到底是什麼你不要到了115年度我們通過一樣啊116年我們在審查的時候又看到又是執行率三四成又是17點多趴這是我提這個案的主要目的那另外就是那個第八十案八十案你八十案還沒說明是知道其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
19809.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
19827.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
這個是77案啦所以我覺得應該是刪除100萬請你們去精進因為你是4千多萬嘛刪除100萬你們去精進因為你光光你編列的依據到底是什麼你的執行率都是這種型的怎麼可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
19827.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
19846.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
好不好好了解那謝謝委員那首先就是剛剛委員提問的部分也特別再說明一下就是事實上那個國際會議的部分主要是剛剛有說明是對方國家有時候是對方國家的問題那這個是不可期的那另外大陸的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
19847.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
19876.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
過去這兩三年確實是因為沒有去但是今年的APEC的會議是在大陸舉行所以那個大陸的部分是今年其實所有的APEC會議都是前往大陸地區所以這個部分的旅運費的部分就是持續在執行中因為必須要有大陸方面的會議我們就會去那委員有提到說我們有沒有按照這幾年的情形來做思路調整有所以我們過去大陸的部分我們就沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
19877.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
19893.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
但是今年的部分我們就是有把大陸的零費有提高就是因應今年的需要那關於委員3減100萬部分那我們就遵照辦理謝謝委員那我們會持續再進進那80案部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
19897.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
19914.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
楊委員有提出來就是要強化業者的出口管制的法尊的風險那也跟委員報告那在這一案主要是就是專業服務業的部分專業服務費的部分我們主要是委託供應院跟施策會 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
19916.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
19939.945 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
那供應院是辦理出口管制商品的鑑定那其實業者對於他的產品要不要申請出口管制許可他其實是不是那麼的清楚有部分的業者他非常的清楚那他的規格是非常清楚但是如果是有可能是在邊緣的他們都需要有專家的鑑定 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
19940.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
19956.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
所以這個部分就是委託供應院來組專家團來協助業者做這個貨品的鑑定的部分那第二那這次計畫同時還有一個是委託施策會就是辦理國際出口管制法規的資訊的研修因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
19958.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
19975.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
台灣這邊我們必須要跟國際同步走所以我們必須要知道世界各國在做什麼然後世界還有國際組織之間的改變那所以這個部分是對於政府在制定政策的時候就是可以做幫忙所以我們希望委員這邊可以不要凍結他們的專業服務費那針對委員有提出來希望國際貿易署能夠強化業者法尊的宣導 |
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協助業者來做這個風險預警的部分也跟委員報告在宣導的部分我們從2022年開始到目前為止我們已經做了超過70場以上的針對就是 |
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20014.757 |
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會跟出口管制商品相關的業者的這個說明會那部分說明會我們還有邀請到美國的專家來跟業者說明那另外呢國際貿易署我們每一年現在都會派員到 |
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企業去進行訪視協助他們那到目前為止我們已經訪視超過90家的企業那今年我們預計是要訪視8家的這個相關的企業那另外就是 |
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剛剛委員有提到就是建立風險預警機制的部分那我們從113年開始就已經跟海關跟關屋署這邊有合作幫他們建置貨品鑑定的資料庫那最主要就是說當貨品在通關的時候海關的官員可以能夠快速的 |
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他就可以鑑定這一個產品是可以直接放行或者是需要再請業者回來要檢附跟國際貿易署申請除了管制的許可那另外第四個就是 |
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第四個部分就是我們也有輔導業者要建制就是內部出口的管控的制度那這個部分目前已經有大概87家的廠商已經有跟我們來申請那這個部分也需要就是專業服務費的這兩個委辦單位去幫忙輔導我們業者建立就是內部的出口管控的制度那以上說明 |
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謝謝主席115年度你們編列的這個向下是2000萬但是你剛才說了你們預計要辦70場你們我說的預警制度因為我們看到你的以往的成績113年的時候呢你是依照蔓越法第27條這2呢這個裁法的案件有48件 |
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跟111年呢 你113年是增加的所以你怎麼推廣的越增加還是說以前沒有去稽查還是沒有抓到 不知道什麼原因但是給我們的答案就是說你111年度到113年度你反而是更加違規的更多 |
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20150.774 |
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你反而你是在輔導但是你違規的更多這個邏輯很奇怪到了114年我們看到8月底去年的8月底你的比例113年是60點多114年更多 |
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85.7那為什麼會如此呢 案件這麼多所以我要講的是你由數字質化量化告訴你你現在目前在執行的制度方法 辦法也好他給你的答案是他的那個違規的更多那這個有兩個答案 以前不抓現在努力抓 |
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20210.239 |
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還是根本你們在輔導的時候人民聽不清楚聽到沒有為什麼這個案子很重要因為我們現在是跟世界接軌我們跟世界接軌如果我們的貿易商我們的廠商沒有很了解你的案件會越來越多這個會影響到我們國家的聲譽這要怎麼辦這怎麼辦呢 你要不要再說明一下 |
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謝謝委員剛剛我們有講到說已經辦70場以上從2022年到現在所以是今年是2026是將近4年的時間累積了70場以上的這個宣導剛剛主席有提到113年的時候裁罰的加數有增加那是因為從112年開始我們有增加對俄羅斯還有白俄羅斯的 |
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除了管制的這個地區還有管制商品那最主要這個就是符合就是因國際間俄羅斯就是入侵烏克蘭對所以就是有一些 |
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業者在一開始不清楚所以我們就採訪但是之後我們經過我們的輔導以後114年其實案件處是採訪案件處是那我們的廠商不很可憐嗎我們靠的是政府政府你不告訴我們我們觸雷要罰錢又要損失很多這樣子我們點出這個問題就是說政府其實是要幫助我們的業者 |
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請你們預警制度是你們可以做業者沒有辦法去做因為如果連政府跟世界接軌的制度都不知道未來我們還有很多 |
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還有很多問題 碳費要怎麼去處理這一大堆所以我建請你們一定要盡本分預警機制先知先覺是比怎麼樣補助還更重要你俄羅斯誤雷了那麼多那廠商要欲哭無淚 |
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是不是政府的角色在哪裡呢好不好所以你們加油啦你們去盤點啦因為政府才能夠跟世界的國家都能夠接軌才知道訊息嘛你單一廠商怎麼有辦法這沒有辦法的啦那我們會持續強化對你趕快去強化啦這個我改為那個那個那個你就是 |
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20338.903 |
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改為主決議啦 你們一定要加油 跟世界去接軌我要求的預警機制一定要做好 好不好告訴我們的廠商嘛好 我們會加油 謝謝 |
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20367.202 |
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好 80案改組決議那我的部分比較單純我比較從整體的概念來看你不用回答沒關係我的需求是這樣子因為國大署我大概也很清楚我現在的問題是這樣就是我們現在在這個推廣貿易基金底下你做的這些的工作國際市場開發、商情、海外據點、展覽、競爭、人才培訓等等 |
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這個是從這個科廣貿易基金這邊支出可是在你國貿署裡頭一般的年度公務預算用在這一塊你還是有這樣的工作那一塊在你們的部的預算署的預算有沒有公務預算有沒有編這種作業不是說作業用途就是說工作計畫沒有重複就沒有重複 |
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因為我有時候在看你們預算都覺得很多都是很相近的然後我就覺得說有點重複然後再來第二個我的你確定沒有重複嗎你不要到時候116看確定了吧不會不會 沒有重複 對 |
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因為我很怕你們就是又嘗到什麼別的法人單位計畫然後又做同樣的又去設館然後又去做會議會展等等就是說我只是要問你一個問題你確保你們這個所有的活動都是在這個貿易基金底下去支出的吧第二個就是剛剛楊委員講的我覺得那是一個很重要的問題那我第二個問題為什麼想要動你們的預算就是我每次問經濟部部長 |
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20441.704 |
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20468.999 |
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我們出去不要說什麼關稅301等等我們廠商要去查那些資訊之前我在行政院也質詢過請問你們經濟部到底那個窗口就是那個資訊的彙整窗口我廠商不需要到產發署中企署去找我希望在哪個地方可以找到那時候我是責成產發署 |
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20496.46 |
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但是產發署呢 不會查我 你看那我覺得為什麼會想產發署是因為他錢比較多去做這樣的資訊系統彙整廠商只要在經濟部一個專屬入口就會查到我要賣這個貨到美國賣到歐洲哪個國家我的關稅是多少我這個301我的碳排是什麼那我就說還是你國貿署編錢拿出來做也可以 |
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20516.638 |
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我現在不曉得你們經濟部的分工 次長你這個是我的問題喔很多廠商找不到 我要賣一個木材賣一個什麼 我要去哪裡找你們的回答說 去公務署 去財政部我不要啦 就是我們有經濟部可以做這個會診的Portal有沒有對 有做有做 |
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這個因為進出口的部分是由貿易署啊這個都是貿易署都會做的那假如說做的還可以再進進的空間的話我們會來持續努力好就是如果確定是貿易署的話我這邊的話我就少動你一點但是我希望看到你現在的情況然後以及你未來因為你現在還有301嘛7月多再弄然後301的話我們那個聽證會台灣也沒有人去欸有就沒有進去發言啊我們有對 |
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就是站在旁邊旁聽而已啊因為我有上去看錄影啊韓國什麼等等是有的啊我們家是在那邊做聽證我們有出去就是政府的書面意見那它其實是你有出去書面意見的話你就其實沒有在不一樣的部分就不需要在會場去講話 |
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好啦,我只是說這個要去不要到時候塞你一下,有一堆東西我這樣好不好,那個楊全英委員的77次凍結這個,對,減滅100萬那我這整個這個地方我就凍你500萬,然後交書面報告好不好 |
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減加動啊楊瓊玉是減一百 我動五百 要不然你讓我動一百分之一也可以喔我74是總體的啦 整目啊這樣可以嗎如果再聽不懂我就動一趴好 謝謝委員 |
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20629.918 |
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來邱委員那個動跟檢列不一樣檢列是楊委員所提的針對旅運費那你那個洪委員稍微是針對你整個57億對57億7800動500萬嘛對動500萬你可不可以自行調整啊 |
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好 那其他應該都處理了 那就照這樣接下來我們進到能源研究發展基金沒有 因為我照這個編列的 所以對不起主決意大家等下一起處理 好不好 |
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進到研究發展基金我們首先處理基金用途88到98這一塊 |
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那其中第88案陳昌明委員改組決議91案邱志偉委員改組決議93案賴瑞榮委員改組決議95案邱志偉委員改組決議97案謝一鳳委員改組決議98案謝一鳳委員改組決議在場有提案的委員有楊瓊瑩委員的第90 |
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請單位說好 能源署跟楊委員報告這個委員是說那個我們那個燃料燃煞的那個減排量還不足那跟委員報告其實我們這幾年的那個電力排汗激素一直在下降最新的數字114年我們公告是0.46其他這個數字持續一直都在下降因為我們政策上也是一直在增加燃氣基礎所以看這個委員能不能就是這個可以讓我們 |
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就是寫數位報告來這個因為二氧化碳的這個排放總量我們用數字來表達你在8月份的時候公布顯示 |
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114年跟113年去做一個比較那更何況我們如果再比較到104年你通常都是下降的不是不是不是就是下降是在改善當中你通通都是但是你在你的能源部門排放的這個總比量總比量它是高於94年跟104年的 |
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他是高於94年跟104年嘛都是六成多嘛 |
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對不對所以在這樣的一個情況之下表示我們在減排的部分你還有經濟空間那這樣子我們也希望大家一起去把它做好但你的經濟方案所以我們就這個預算凍結不凍那麼多凍200萬那你順便報告後使得凍資好好謝謝委員好請就我的89案做說明 |
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委員講的這個事情就是有關那個資通訊安全的部分根本報告就是我們現在所有的這個PV暗場的Inverter它基本上都要符合標準檢驗局它有一個我們叫太陽光電變容器跟那個監視系統的一個技術規範它的資安等級就PVC檢測它通過那另外委員說我們那個公用事業是不是可以要求要更要求那這個部分因為我們現在 |
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已經有訂那個公版契約就是所有的這個公國營事業他在這個招租在陽光店的時候他我們建議他是要依照那個公版契約那公版契約他就有訂立說這些網路通訊的這些涉及到通訊的部分一定要用國有的國產品然後另外就是這個通訊的這個東西不能跟機關內部的東西借接那以確保他資訊安全大概跟委員報告一下 |
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這招辦法都有啦我現在的問題是誰去發現這件事情比如說我覺得有飛鴻供應鏈啊誰去做檢驗是台電還是你們能源署 |
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它在並接的時候台電就必須要去做檢測因為它最後台電如果沒有檢測後來被人家那你能源署會對台電做什麼事因為它本身它這個設備基本上如果是就是我們VPC的檢測也要通過所以它如果真的是 |
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應該經過檢測的東西它能併上去如果不併上去的話台電應該會把它截連掉因為這裡頭還包含飛鴻供應鏈等等我說那些的檢驗你有沒有委託比如說第三方或什麼去做檢測就是說到底這是我告訴你現在大家都推不清楚是能源署的責任還是台電的責任還是說沒有啊那就是那就是水利署處理的啊不是我的責任不是這樣子欸我說你是能源署欸 |
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你現在懂我的意思嗎對 但是那個設備的標準是標準檢驗局我當然知道設備標準檢驗局我說誰要負責去檢啊 |
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不是標準局去幫你檢啊,標準局是頂標準而已啊你能屬再生能源這些不管光電面板、整流器、自動訊這些如昭偉講的是標準是標準檢驗局做的但是他檢查他有分幾個層次啦假如說是公務機關的話他有契約嘛契約要安裝之前他就要依照行路然後甚至交貨 |
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要安裝之前他必須要做產品的檢驗因為過去我們都發生很多不管是大同醫護啦對不對或者是一大堆國防部也是啊就是說廠商都說我有然後檢測也都有最後被人家扛出來說沒有我說誰要去負責我覺得能源署啊應該要去做這樣的事情不然就委託第三方根據這個來做才對啊 |
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我現在抱怨的是這一件事這個事前的檢驗啦事後的查核能源署都會去做依基於能源主管機關但是個別的業者無論是公營跟私營的話他必須要符合我們的國家標準的一個規定還有他的契約的規定這個是一個另外一個是關鍵基礎設施那關鍵基礎設施的話他的要求更加因為我們後續還有很多這種案件會跑出來 |
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除了已經發生的還有很多只是它現在還沒爆出來而已我的意思是說這個在能源署你現在先這樣子好不好我這一個東西我先現在是陽泉委員動你200萬我動1000萬那總共是1200萬為什麼呢 |
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就是在這一幕 能源研究的發展工作計畫總共43億那楊瓊英90%是動200我這整個是動1000我意思是說你要告訴我你現在這些就有問題的對不對 你能源署的態度然後你們的整個事前查驗到底是誰事後查驗的話如果不合格 對不對或是有東西 你會做什麼處置把這樣子的報告交給我們那使得動之 好不好 |
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這個我跟委員報告一下那個剛委員問的那個問題就是事前部分其實業者在招標的時候他自己就要去檢查但是我們竣工查驗的時候我們事後的部分我們會去查然後如果查到的話他因為不合格他就沒法併那這個我們會報告給委員但是那個委員跟委員報告一下因為我們那個專業服務費的沒有那個額度這個能不能 |
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對不用解釋了你就交報告就好你們上一層上一層科目好來所以你的這個能源研究發展基金結論動一千萬九十案是動兩百萬交報告使得動之對加這個好再來我們接下來審石油基金 |
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石油基金90沒有 我1000 你200 加起來1200再來石油基金99案到第110案這裡 |
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那其中106案新一份委員改組決104新一份委員改組決議再來107案邱志文改組決108案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議這裡頭楊瓊瑩委員的第100案請單位做說明 |
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委員問的是就是說那個我們台電有一個那個表錢的電子交易平台的那個就是現在交易因為供給量比較多所以他現在的那個交易的價格很低那這個部分其實我們有做改善就是我們現在有跟台電談就是比如說像這些表錢的儲存他是不是可以去做別的用途比如說做再生能源的備用容量 |
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或者是說在同一個時段可以選擇不同的交易的商品讓他增加他交易成功的比例那大概我們現在用這個改善以上 |
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你們怎麼改善 因為我看到你的113年整年度跟114年的9月你的結晶價都是零欸所以你在你的電網端 發電端 用戶端 你這三面像你要去發展可是你一年半多一年三季 |
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一加三季的時間等於是對不對你的你的結晶價都是零這為什麼那你現在說要跟台電去溝通他有沒有什麼什麼方案新的產品就是說他同樣的設備他可以投不同的市場他就會跳開原來那個鴻海市場比如說他可以運送備用電力他可以在同一個時段投不同的因為他現在有DRAG、EDRAG你現在討論出你的方案那你的預估呢 |
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可以達到什麼樣的成效因為我們官方看到你113年到114年9月份你是零啊你的結算數是零啊那個零是因為說那個是容量費率他同時還是可以拿另外一個效能費啦那零的部分我們現在正在改善就是說我們就是我剛跟文講我們會多開一些產品我從來沒有看過一個零的 |
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那個零它是有兩個數字構成的一個是容量費另外一個效能費就是我們說我們都讓同樣的設備可以去賣不同的市場讓他跨商品他可以做別的交易他就可以跳脫那個零元市場就是效能費的零元市場執行師嗎 |
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現在在執行台電應該要修改電腦系統就可以開始執行什麼時候會開始你那隨便打一打我問你執行之旅說我現在在執行結果他電腦還沒修改應該是說今年會他這樣隨便打這裡都有錄影錄音今年應該會修改完成那明年就可以執行所以換句話說 |
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那你今年還是零喔沒有 今年它就是還是那預算怎麼省呢沒有 它這個零是台電的那個交易費用當然啦對對對對對你現在告訴我們的你的零元的經濟方案是今年年底那個台電他們電腦會改 |
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對 跨商品交易 還有就是說 現在其實他們本來另外有個市場是去賣備用容量啦 因為我們現在有一些災害能源他不需要備用容量 他也可以用電池來做那他就去跟外面的業者談 就是一般的災害能源他需要夠那為什麼這一年半都不談呢因為以前台電沒有把那個他的可靠的出力算出來 這個是比較技術性的問題 現在已經解決了 |
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所以這個就是我們說的我們支持這個預算但是我們看到的結果是如此你要定這個預算你絕對對不對你絕對有你的方案跟你的目標你才會定出來那我再請問你說年底台電會把它的電腦設計好那你們的預估值呢成效呢 |
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因為他現在這個當然現在還有一個問題是說因為現在持續還有人在投進來啦那基本上我們有跟業者講說說這個市場現在是這個樣子所以請大家去做別的比如說做我們收的表錢就是說我們另外有一個表錢的規劃當然不在這個裡面那另外還有就是說說 |
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另外光除市場它其實也可以去處理就是交易者盡量不要去再擠這個我們叫做電網用的台電用的所以市長我想全球對於除這個字油 電 水都是非常的珍貴而且是很重要的課題那我們這個要怎麼說呢 |
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上次委員包括我們經濟委員會在審能源管理法的時候我記得委員就有提到這個問題所以我們現在能源管理法院版已經送到大院來審議這個時候我們要好好討論這是第一個 |
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第二個部分是剛剛委員所說的我們怎麼樣讓這些既有的這些設施發揮到容量最大化剛剛署長有講的跨商品的這個交易那當然這個部分會把我們現有的儲能設備在鴻海市場外面可能沒有投標 |
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那個容量費用零就是表示說他不願意進來可是我們現在針對於發電端的話我們要求說套處能夠備用容量的話他就可以去那邊去進行使用所以這個部分這依照這個農運署的規劃會改善那隨著未來的電力的需求一直在增長我們看到這個市場上面是相當的活絡也有很多的業者希望來投入 |
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那這個第一百案本席的提案你請你把你預計要改變跟你的流程跟台電 跟其他的業者也好你的經濟方案是什麼你提出來我改為這個主決議謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好 我的簡單說明99案 101案跟106還有110其中我110改組決議然後整個我看一下我提這幾個案子說實在我對能源署 |
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跟底下那個可能有點關係再生能源我是對這個能源署在做這個整個再生能源的規劃進度實施是不太滿意的我是加個太啊要不然我是想要寫不滿意 |
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不太滿意啦那我意思是說你這裡頭你要針對我的問題去回答所以我用這樣來看101我要看的是你風電那些的技術啊離岸風電啊那不管是生物風力這些東西對不對後續的這些相關 |
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我就是怕你們這些的技術的查驗或是平常的這樣的規劃的執行這是一個問題所以你們就針對我的我101是改組決議啦但是你要針對我的問題去回答這樣子的一個報告因為我看你們的報告跟溝通我都不太滿意的不知道你在想什麼然後呢另外的話呢106106是儲能儲能的話你有很多東西都是重複啦 |
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當然它有不同類別的儲能我當然清楚啦但是我們的儲能在我們這整個能源的供應到底它發揮什麼樣子的效果這個跟我們在這個產業或學術上看到的還是有點落差啦這個是我當時提這個案子的原因所以你也針對我的問題去回答我也是改主決議啦 |
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只剩下整個99M的話就是整幕整幕的話其實我有三個不太就是覺得整個石油基金的一個用途就是包含我剛剛講的儲能的這些的重複然後呢你的這一些的風電的一個發電進度一直落後 |
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那導致我們還有包含我們整個再生能源的比例我看今年你們的回答是部長回答說我是15%那現在是13點多嘛現在已經14了有再進步一點就對了 |
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好啦但是離我們當時偉大的目標還是很遙遠所以這個地方來講的話99這整幕的話我動你5000萬然後你趕快交報告就針對我剛剛講的 |
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風電離岸風電的然後呢你的這個儲能對不對不同的地區他到底發揮什麼樣的效益效果還有一個我也很反對的就是你們現在不是大約要內政部不是要屋頂型光電嗎屋頂型光電那一塊那一塊我覺得你要考慮到很多後面的風險因子啊 |
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不用報告就是交報告給我反正我就凍你五千萬好不好凍結不用口頭報告交書面報告使得凍之啦好不好 |
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好 所以我們就是動五千萬在第三個石油基金這裡加報告後使得動之針對我剛剛那幾個問題其他我都改組決議好 接下來的話我們進到再生能源發展基金我們在111到118其中陳昌明委員改組決議114案邱志偉委員改組決議115案賴慧穎委員改組決議那我們先針對這個113案楊瓊英委員請做說明 |
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楊委員問的是那個模組回收的事情 那我們最近已經持續在催收 然後有些也會送強制執行那我們現在實際沒有收到金額大概已經降成大概2000萬那所以各年度大概收取的費用大概已經到達98%所以這個 |
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我們收費的這個成效也提升很高了那另外就是說我們現在也修正那個管理辦法就是以前我們是有分期去繳那這次怕說大家都分期繳大家在拖所以我們現在就改成一次就要收期那後續我們會持續跟這個環境部他也修廢清法後續部分我們會跟環境部就那個廢清法如何去借貼部分我們持續會去辦理那以上報告 |
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去年度請教你現在有努力在催那去年度我們看到在7月底統計是還有1.4億沒有催回來我不知道7月到12月還有多少沒有催回來現在剩下2000萬了那那個1.4億都催回來了嗎就從1.4億降成2000萬現在是2000萬是計算到什麼時候是計算去年度的還是什麼 |
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今年的 今年到115年 現在是嗎對對對 到6月 到6月 到6月 到6月加油齁 因為不要人家講了你才要去吹 你本來就應該要吹是是是 我問你為什麼不吹回來 講了你本來有這麼多議為什麼不吹回來 那講了你就吹回來那講還是有效啊 那不要人家講 你依法依規去做嘛有有 我們 這個當初是我的比較慢一點 抱歉來 謝謝 |
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21870.556 |
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好113案改主決議那我的問題的話呢是我的案件是112 116118然後呢我116 118都改主決議那 |
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我整個呢 就是在112這一個地方 因為它是整幕 再深的地方一樣 延續我剛剛的問題我是對這個目標的達成還有規劃不是很滿意所以呢而且呢那個達成率我也不太喜歡你們講的那個說法那個很好笑分子分母同時變動 然後可以算出很大的這個達成比率那是很奇怪的數學 |
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所以這個地方的話我原本是凍結10%我現在凍這個現在是8100我凍3000萬在再生能源發展基金這裡針對我們的問題在提出書面報告後時的凍值好 謝謝委員 |
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好 接下來的話呢 我們進到主決議的一個部分那主決議因為是所有的這個基金所以輪到誰 誰就自己上來回答好不好好 我們現在進行主決議的部分首先第126案遵照辦理 這樣通過127案遵照辦理 這樣通過128遵照辦理 這樣通過129委員已經同意修改文字 |
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修正通過130委員已經同意修改文字修正通過131遵照辦理132建請改為書面報告沒有沒有簽名對他說他我們有跟委員辦公室有說明有說明但沒簽名就不算了今天要鄭振淺委員132 |
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所以132到132修正通過 |
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133 修正通過134 修正通過135 修正通過136 遵照辦理財安通過137 遵照辦理財安通過138 遵照辦理財安通過139 遵照辦理財安通過140 遵照辦理財安通過141 遵照辦理財安通過142這個建請是不是修成素面報告就跟剛剛那個貿易署的一樣他是專案嗎對 他也是寫專案 |
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好那要改書面啦好142修正通過143也是建請修成這個書面好143修正通過144 遵照辦理再通過145 遵照辦理再通過146 遵照辦理再通過147 遵照辦理再通過148 遵照辦理再通過149 遵照辦理 |
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再案通過150 徵詐辦理再案通過151 徵詐辦理再案通過152 也踐請修正書面報告就跟剛剛好 修正通過153 也踐請修正書面報告好 修正通過154 |
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也建請修正書面報告好 修正通過166 |
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建請修正書面報告 修正通過167 遵照辦理 通過168遵照辦理 通過169169是開始是中小基金遵照辦理 |
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專案通過170 專案通過171 專案通過172 專案通過173 專案通過174 專案通過175 專案通過176 專案通過177 專案通過178 專案通過179 專案通過180 專案通過181 |
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181-183案是政政前委員已經簽名改書面報告好181-183修正通過184遵照辦理這樣通過185遵照辦理這樣通過186遵照辦理這樣通過187遵照辦理這樣通過 |
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好 還有最後一個好 我們現在是和平發電後端和會端對 我們早先基金用途188案蠟用文改組決議189到191案其中190案改組決議191案改組決議 |
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再來的話是193案賴若榮改組決議195案陳昌明委員改組決議197案陳昌明改組決議198案賴若榮改組決議 |
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兩黨陳昌明委員改組決議其中這個第192楊瓊英委員的提案請單位說明是謝謝委員指導那個楊委員這也主要是針對用過核燙料的儲存計畫的這個進度因為去年核一二的那個室內乾除流標兩次那去年決算的確不理想因為去年大概決算大概3.5億那今年呢這個總共編了11.5億 |
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我跟委員報告因為核一二你關切的核一二室內乾除已經在去年的12月已經絕標了同時核三廠的室內乾除用過核燃料室內乾除也在今年的5月初也已經絕標了所以我上半年的決算上半年的決算並同原來的用過核子燃料的室外乾除核一二的室外乾除跟 |
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核一的室外乾除跟核二的室外乾除通通都完工了甚至核二的核一的室內乾除它所有的反映乳內的燃料在7月2號都已經淨空了那核二的室外乾除也都已經完工了而且第一階段的測試我已經完成了現在正在向核安會申請第二階段的測試所以我上半年的決算就已經原來預算是編11.5億那上半年的決算我就已經花掉了9.16億 |
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所以這一塊是不是讓委員呢好那你們再加油我改為主決議好謝謝委員好第192案改主決議來我的199案說明199案謝謝洪委員指導那洪委員主要是針對呢 |
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合一的所謂的廚藝拆廠的所有的服務費用裡面專業服務費的部分委員提出的疑問是說目前在核市場的部分是不是有吃到 |
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吃到後端基金的這個預算 我跟委員報告的就是核市目前在進行所謂的資產管理的部分的費用呢他就是剛剛在省台電預算的營業外的費用裡面去吃所以他不會去吃到 因為基本上核市場他目前這塊地呢他沒有受過任何的污染跟放射性的污染的狀態之下所以他 |
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不會去動用到任何後端基金的這個預算那委員提出來的在這個專業服務費的部分呢今年大概編列了14.3億委員報告保錦的費用因為之前核市場在建廠期間的時候呢建廠期間的時候呢有保錦所以保錦負擔的那個他的退休金那一塊還是需要我後端基金來支應 |
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所以那時候大概保險的費用就佔了8億還有目前的保全的費用大概佔了4千萬那另外有一個已經發包的廚藝工程諮詢關於費用在佔掉405億所以來請委員多好來那個剛剛198萬更正是賴慧蓉委員改成減略3千萬她是寫的啊她就不處理了 |
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那我199萬這邊的話呢 我就是改成主決議謝偉200萬這個已經念過 主決議 好 我們進行到所以這整個應該是 照案通過嘛預算照列 對不起 再來主決議的話201 |
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201是那個陳昭明陳委員已經那個修正通過202也是修正通過修正通過203203的話遵照百里照案通過 |
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跟大會報告那個56案本來說改成組決議可是這文字裡面有說要使得動之我們建議把那個併經同意後使得動之把它刪除掉這樣才符合組決議的意就是洪委員洪委員的 |
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他已經同意組決議了可是文字上面還是要求使得沒有就使得動之啦因為是組決議組決議就不好了好我們請宣讀協商結論經濟作業基金部份月月總支出有關服務費第一案及第二案均改為組決議 |
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科技產業園區作業基金約約總支出預算照略第三項改為主決議固定資產建設改善過程預算照略第五項及第六項均改為主決議產業園區開發管理基金部分約約總支出 |
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有關業務成本與費用向下管理及總務費用凍結100萬元提出書面報告後,使得凍資第8案、第9案、第12案至第16案均改為主決議固定資產建設改良過程預算炸裂第17案改為主決議 |
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第18案至第29案均照案通過第30案修正通過31案修正通過32案照案通過33案照案通過第34案至第37案均修正通過第38案至第41案均照案通過第42案43案均修正通過第44案至第49案均 |
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照案通過第50案至第52案均修正通過第53案至第55案均照案通過水資源作業基金部分 |
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業務總支出預算照列第56、57、58、60案均改為主決議固定資產建設改良擴充預算照列第61及62案均改為主決議主決議部分第63至第67案均照案通過 |
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68案修正通過第69案至第72案均照案通過經濟特別收入基金部分有關推廣貿易基金基金來源預算照列基金用途部分貿易推廣工作計畫凍結500萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第77案服務費讓向下領運費減略100萬元 |
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第75案、78案、79案、80案、83案、86案、87案均改為主決議 |
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入研究發展基金基金用途部分委員研究發展工作計畫凍結一千兩百萬元提出書面報告後使得公知第八十八案九十一案九十三案九十五案九十七案及九十八案均改為主決議使用基金部分基金用途 |
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政府除了石油開發及技術研究計畫凍結五千萬元提出書面報告後始不動之第100案、101案、106案、104案、106案、107案、108案及110案均改為主決議 |
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基金用途有責任推廣計劃凍結三千萬人提出說明報告後使得動之第111、113至第116案、118案均改為主決議中小企業發展基金基金用途預算炸裂 |
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第119案至第125案均改為主決議主決議部分第126案至第128案照案通過129案、130案修正通過131案照案通過第132案至第135案均修正通過136案至第141案均照案通過142案、143案修正通過 |
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144案至第151案均照案通過152案、153案修正通過154案至164案均照案通過165案、166案修正通過167案至180案均照案通過181案至183案均修正通過184案至187案均照案通過 |
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核能發電後端營運基金基金用途預算照列第188190至193195至197199兩百案均改為主決議主決議部分201案修正通過201案修正通過203案照案通過宣布完畢 |
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85萬就改主決議就可以了好不好85萬改主決議好請問各位同仁有無人提案的部分照剛剛宣讀的決定通過沒有提案的部分均照略或隨從調整請問有異議無異議通過150年經濟部非營業部份預算審查完畢謝謝各位 |
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115年度中央政府總預算案經紀人會負責審查至副主單位預算營業及非營業部分經理審查完畢並擬據審查報告送財政委員會會診通過之決議原制授權主席及議事人員處理本會審查結果需交由黨團協商院會討論時農業部主管國家發展會主管非營業預算及台灣中油 |
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股份有限公司台灣自來水股份有限公司部分由邱昭吉智偉出席說明經濟部主管公平交易委員會主管非營業預算部分及台灣電力股份有限公司台灣糖業股份有限公司由本席出席說明今日所列議程除以文句現在散會 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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謝謝你們謝謝你們謝謝你們謝謝你們 |
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谢谢大家 |