| IVOD_ID |
17588 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17588 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
23 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第23次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-13T08:31:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-13T13:41:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:09:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd9d49b9c4fb7920ea2042dc10dca826776d94474d9c748abcb4a1d6e1a76e95b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第23次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查（一）委員葛如鈞等20人、（二）委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「電信管理法第三十六條條文修正草案」案及審查（三）委員林倩綺等19人、（四）委員邱鎮軍等20人、（五）委員葉元之等16人分別擬具「電信管理法第三十六條條文修正草案」案及（六）委員林俊憲等23人擬具「電信管理法第三十六條及第九十五條條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查(一)委員陳雪生等23人、(二)委員傅崐萁等25人分別擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員翁曉玲等16人、(四)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第五十八條條文修正草案」案及審查(六)委員葉元之等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查（一）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第五條之一及第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案及（二）委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案。
四、繼續審查（一）委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案等14案及審查（十五）行政院函請審議、（十六）委員王美惠等17人、（十七）委員賴瑞隆等17人、（十八）委員盧縣一等17人、（十九）委員許宇甄等21人、（二十）委員林淑芬等19人、（二十一）委員林俊憲等23人、（二十二）委員黃捷等18人、（二十三）委員張雅琳等16人、（二十四）委員陳培瑜等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、（二十五）委員羅智強等18人、（二十六）委員王育敏等16人、(二十七)委員黃健豪等18人、（二十八）委員李坤城等19人、（二十九）委員徐巧芯等18人、（三十）委員謝龍介等16人、（三十一）委員魯明哲等18人、（三十二）委員羅廷瑋等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、（三十三）委員張宏陸等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之三及第六十七條條文修正草案」案及（三十四）委員張宏陸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十三條及第七十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議進行處理；開會事由一第（六）案、開會事由四第（十七）案至第（二十四）案及第（三十）案至第（三十四）案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】【7月13日、15日及16日三天一次會】
【因系統字數限制，開會事由四各案詳參議事日程】） |
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一 討論事項一至三 個案均並案審查完均 分別擬據審查報告提報院會討論 院會討論前均不需交由黨團協商院會討論時均由林昭吉委員俊憲補充說明二 條次引述條文部分文字及原影條次授權主席及議事人員整理 審查結果一 飲水法第六條條文修正草案趙委員許智傑等二十二人提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
1839.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1861.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
二發展大眾運輸條例等二案一第二條趙委員林俊憲等23人提案修正通過二第四條之一不予修正維持現行條文三大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障房等二案第四條及第六條均不予修正維持現行條文散會宣布完畢好我們稍後再做議事錄我們先先介紹 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
1870.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1887.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
在場官員國家通訊傳播委員會代理主委陳崇樹主委綜合規劃處吳娟副處長基礎設施處韓振華副處長平台事業管理處蔡國棟處長電台與內容事務處林慧玲處長北區監理處謝佩穎處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
1900.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1924.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
法律事務處詹文旭處長數位發展部林怡靜部長資源管理司鄭文芳司長法治處吳依倫副處長金管會政企局證券發行組陳湘瑩副組長內政部名政司戴淑黃專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1930.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1940.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
經濟部商業發展署政策規劃組熊立恆副組長法務部檢察官楊思鈺行政院主席總署公務預算處陳台偉專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1948.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1948.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
這個沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
1977.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2000.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
好目前進行說明提案要旨那目前沒有委員在場我們稍後再處理那本人會議進行逐條審查程序個案先一併宣讀條文如有修正動議也一併宣讀那因今日審查法案眾多本人會議才邊宣讀邊同時進行協商好那我們就這樣做這樣裁決先先讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2006.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2013.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
那我先宣讀條文然後待委員進場後我們就進行實質審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2019.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2037.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
委員黃建豪等18人委員葛如君等20人委員林慶琦等19人委員邱振軍等20人委員葉元之等16人分別擬據電信管理法第36條條文修正草案委員林俊憲等23人擬據電信管理法第36條及第95條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2039.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2064.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
第36條委員黃建豪等18人提案新增第9項申請以衛星通信技術設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路其服務對於我國公信電信網路安全電信資源使用情形電信服務市場整體發展國家安全及其他公共利益等因素無不利之影響並經主管機關核准者 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2064.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2089.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
得不受第四項後段及第五項之限制其餘同線型條文委員葛如軍等二十人提案第四項募具前逗號修正為封號新增第九項申請以衛星通信技術設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路者經主管機關核准得不受第四項後段及第五項之限制其餘同線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2090.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2109.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
委員林倩琦等19人提案新增第9項委員志同委員葛如君等人提案其餘同縣行條文委員林俊憲等23人提案新增第9項及第10項申請以衛星通信技術設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路者 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2110.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2130.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
經主管機關審酌下列事項並核准後得不受第四項後段及第五項之限制一 國家安全二 公眾電信網路之安全三 電信資源使用情形四 電信網路之整體規劃及推動五 電信產業發展六 其他公共利益之需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2131.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2152.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
前項核准之申請程序條件應檢複製文件審查基準及其他相關事項之辦法由主管機關定之其餘同性型條文委員邱振軍等20人提案新增第9項至第11項申請以非地球靜止軌道衛星或其他新型衛星技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2154.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2182.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路者經主管機關綜合考量國家安全產業發展及普及服務等因素核准得不受第四項後段及第五項外資持股比例之限制其核准之條件廢止監督及其他應遵行事項之辦法由主管機關定之主管機關應考量無線電頻率資源之規劃技術標準及使用效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2183.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2208.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
合併於電信事業使用 前項頻率之合併包含非地球靜止軌道衛星系統所使用之頻率其頻率申請資格執照期限干擾處理原則及國際協調程序之管理辦法由主管機關定之其餘同線型條文 委員議員之等16人提案同委員邱振軍等人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2209.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2227.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
委員林俊憲等23人提案第95條修正第二項本法修正條文除中華民國某年某月某日修正公佈之第36條第9項及第10項由行政院定之外自公佈日施行其餘同線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2228.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2254.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
委員陳雪生等23人委員傅坤祺等25人委員葉元之等16人分別擬據有限廣播電視法第10條條文修正草案委員翁曉林等16人委員黃建豪等18人分別擬據有限廣播電視法第10條及第58條條文修正草案委員翁曉林等16人擬據有限廣播電視法第58條條文修正草案案 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2256.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2280.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
委員陳雪生等23人提案第10條政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人不得為下列行為但其他法律另有規定者從其規定一直接投資系統經營者二擔任系統經營者之發起人董事監察人或經理人三以間接投資或其他方式達控制系統經營者之人士財務或業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2282.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2299.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
有下列情形之一者視為傾向第三款所稱之控制依政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人個別間接持有系統經營者之股份欲該系統經營者以發行股份總數百分之十但 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2300.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2327.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
政府基金或國營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人間接持有系統經營者之股份合計與該系統經營者已發行股份總數10%但政府基金因委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2328.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2353.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
三 公營事業擔任系統經營者之發起人 董事監察人或經理人政黨其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人不得為下列行為一 直接投資系統經營者二 間接投資系統經營者三 擔任系統經營者之發起人 董事監察人或經理人四 以其他方式達控制系統經營者之人事財務或業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2354.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2373.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員不得投資系統經營者,其配偶二親等以內之血親及系因親投資同意系統經營者,其持有之股份,何際不得欲該系統經營者以發行股份總數百分之一。 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2374.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2389.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員不得擔任系統經營者之發起人、董事、監察人或經理人前二項所稱政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員之範圍 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2391.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2412.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
於本法實行細則定之違反第一項第一款第三項第一款或第四項規定者其取得之股份無表決權中央主管機關並得令其獻其處分藉其不為處分者不得享有股東權利系統經營者不得容許其行使表決權或享有股東權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2413.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2440.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
違反第一項第二款第三款第三項第二款至第四款或第五項規定者中央主管機關得令系統經營者限其為下列行為一解除擔任董事監察人或經理人之職務二解除政府政黨其捐助資財團法人及其受託人對系統經營者之控制委員傅坤祺等25人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2441.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2460.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
第十條政府政黨其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人不得介入及控制系統經營者之經營政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人應遵守下列規定一不得擔任系統經營者之發起人董事監察人或經理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2461.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2486.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
二、持有系統經營者股份者得出席股東會為股東會決議事項中依公司法規定之股東會特別決議事項或涉及系統經營者之董事兼查人之選任、解任及改選事項不得加入表決並不得代理他股東行使其表決權前項之規定證物人員及選任公職人員准用之 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2487.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2496.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
政黨、政黨、黨務工作人員不得投資系統經營者或擔任系統經營者之發起人、董事監察人或經理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2498.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2521.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
其配偶二親等至血親直系姻親投資同一系統經營者其持有之股份不得加入表決並不得代理他股東行使其表決權前二項所稱政務人員選任公職人員及政黨黨務工作人員之範圍於本法施行細則定之委員翁曉林等16人提案第十項 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2522.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2539.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第十條第一項序文默劇修正為不在此縣其餘同委員陳雪生等人提案第一項有相列情形之一者視為前項第三款所稱之控制依政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2540.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2566.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
個別間接持有系統經營者之股份欲該事業已發行股票總數百分之一但政府基金或公營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限二政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人間接持有系統經營者之股份欲該系統經營者已發行股票總數百分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2567.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2589.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
但政府基金或公營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限公營事業擔任系統經營者之發起人、董事監察人或經理人第三項同委員陳雪生等人提案第三項除法律另有規定外,政府、政黨不得捐助成立系統經營者 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2591.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2609.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員不得投資系統經營者其配偶、二親等寫親、直系、嬰親投資同一系統經營者持有之股份何際不得欲該失業以發行股份總數百分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2610.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2634.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第六項及第七項同委員陳學生等人提案第五項及第六項違反第一項第一款第三項第一款或第五項規定者其取得之股份無表決權主管機關得令其獻其處分藉其不處分者不得享有股東權利系統經營者不得容許其行使表決權或享有股東權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2636.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2656.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
違反第一項第二款第三款第三項第二款至第四款或第六項規定者主管機關得令系統經營者為下列行為一解除擔任董事監察人或經理人之職務二解除政府政黨其捐助之財團法人或其委託人對系統經營者之控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2657.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2674.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
委員黃建豪等18人提案第10條第一項第一款至第三款中系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業其餘同委員翁曉林等人提案第一項有下列情形之一者視為前項第三款所稱之控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2675.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2695.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
依政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人個別間接持有有限廣播電視事業之股份,欲該事業已發行股份總數百分之一但政府基金或國營事業,因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2696.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2724.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
二政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人間接持有衛星廣播電視事業之股份合計與該事業已發行股份總數百分之一但政府基金或國營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限三國營事業擔任有限廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2724.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2737.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
第三項中系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業其餘同委員翁曉琳等人提案第三項第四項同委員翁曉琳等人提案第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2739.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2761.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第五項中系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業二清等血清修正為二清等以內之血清其餘同委員翁曉林等人提案第五項第六項中系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業其餘同委員翁曉林等人提案第六項第七項同委員翁曉林等人提案第七項 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2762.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2785.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
第八項第三四句著作文字修正莫具系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業其餘同委員翁曉琳等人提案第八項第九項句中系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業第二款中獲其委託人修正為及其受託人其餘同委員翁曉琳等人提案第九項 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2786.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2809.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
委員葉元之等16人提案 同委員黃建豪等人提案委員翁曉琳等16人提案 提案號11020189第58條第二項起修正為系統經營者有下列情形之一者處新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下罰還並另期限期改正 借其不改正者得按次處罰 |
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2811.101 |
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2827.837 |
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一政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人違反第十條第一項第一款或第二款規定二政黨其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人違反第十條第三項第一款或第三款規定 |
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2829.08 |
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2856.132 |
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3.政府政黨違反第十條第四項規定4.政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員違反第十條第五項規定5.政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員違反第十條第六項規定政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人違反第十條第一項第三款規定禁令限其改正、藉其不改正者 |
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2857.072 |
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2884.063 |
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儲新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並再令其限期改正借其人不改正者得按次處罰政黨其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人違反第十條第三項第二款或第四款規定禁令限期改正借其不改正者儲新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並再令其限期改正借其人不改正者得按次處罰 |
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2886.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2905.804 |
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政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員之配偶、二親等血親、直系姻親違反第十條第五項規定者主管機關應令致使投資逾百分之一以上者限期改正藉其不改正者處心臺幣二十萬元以上、二百萬元以下罰還並得按次處罰 |
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2907.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2930.915 |
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系統經營者有下列情形之一者處心台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並另期限其改正藉其不改正者的案次處罰或廢止其許可並註銷執照依容許違反第十條第一項第一款第三項第一款第五項規定之人行使表決權或享有互動權利 |
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2932.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2937.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
二違反主管機關一第十條第九項所為之命令其餘通現行條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2939.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2967.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
委員黃建豪等十八人提案第五十八條第二項首據修正為有下列各款情形之一者第一款及第二款據中及其修正為或其第二款中違反第十條第三項第一項第一款修正為違反第十條第三項第一款第三項及第四項據中及其修正為或其第五項二清等寫清修正為二清等以內之寫清 |
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2968.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2993.91 |
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第六項手具具手系統經營者修正為有線廣播電視事業其餘同委員翁曉琳等人提案委員翁曉琳等16人提案提案號11004727第58條刪除第二項其餘同現行條文委員洪孟凱等4人所提修正動議第58條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2998.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3027.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第二項序文修正為 第二項序文手續修正為有下列情形之一者其餘同委員翁曉琳等人提案 提案號11020189委員翁曉琳等16人拟據廣播電視法第五條之一及第44條之二條文修正草案案委員翁曉琳等16人拟據廣播電視法第44條之二條文修正草案案 |
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3028.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3046.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第五條之一政府其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人不得為下列行為但其他法律另有規定者不在此限一直接投資民營廣播電視事業二擔任廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3048.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
3063.192 |
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三已經間接投資或其他方式達控制民營廣播電視事業之人士財務或業務有下列情形之一者是為前項第三款所稱之控制依政府其捐助成立之 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
3064.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
3081.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
財團法人或其受託人個別間接持有民營廣播電視事業之股份,欲該事業已發行股份總數百分之一,但政府基金或公營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限。 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
3082.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
3108.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
二政府其遵守成立之財團法人及其受託人間接持有民營廣播電視事業之股份合計欲該事業已發行股份總數百分之一但政府基金或公營事業因自行或委託投信機構投資而持有之股份數不在此限三公營事業擔任廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
3109.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3138.434 |
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其捐助成立之財團法人及其受託人不得為下列行為一直接投資民營廣播電視事業二間接投資投資民營廣播電視事業三擔任廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人四以其他方式達控制民營廣播電視事業之人士財務或業務除法律另有規定外政府政黨不得捐助成立民營廣播電視事業 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
3139.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3157.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
政党党务工作人员、政务人员及选任公职人员不得投资广播电视事业其配偶、二亲等以内之血亲、直系姻亲投资同一广播电视者其持有之股份何即不得预该广播电视事业以发行股份总数1% |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3159.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3184.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員不得擔任廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人前二項所稱政黨黨務工作人員政務人員及選任公職人員之範圍於本法實行細則定之違反第一項第一款第三項第一款或第五項規定者其取得之股份無表決權主管機關並 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3186.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3190.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
得令其獻其處分 藉其不為處分者不得享有股東權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3192.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3216.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
民營廣播電視事業不得容許其行使表決權或享有股東權利違反第一項第二款第三款第三項第二款至第四款或第六項規定者主管機關得令廣播電視事業限其為下列行為一解除擔任董事監察人或經理人之職務二解除政府政黨其捐助之 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3218.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3235.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
財團法人及其受託人對民營廣播電視事業之控制委員翁曉琳等16人提案第44條之二提案號11020188第一項續文手續增加各款二字其餘至第一款同線型條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3236.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3253.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
二 政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第一項第一款或第三款規定三 政黨其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第三項第一款或第二款規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
3254.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3278.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
政府政黨違反第五條之一第四項規定廣播電視事業有下列各款情形之一者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並另期限期改正藉其不改正者得按次處罰依政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第一項第二款規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3279.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3293.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
二、政黨其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第三項第三款規定三、政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員違反第五條之一第五項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3296.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3312.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
四 政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員違反第五條之一第六項規定政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第一項第三款規定經令其限期改正藉其人不改 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3313.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3341.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
借其不改正者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並再令其限其改正借其能不改正者得按次處罰政黨其均柱成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第三項第二款或第四款規定經令其限其改正借其不改正者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並再令其限其改正借其能不改正者得按次處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3342.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3364.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員之配偶、二親等以內之血親、直系姻親違反第五條之一第五項規定者主管機關因令致使投資逾百分之一以上者,現其改正。藉其不改正者處心臺幣二十萬元以上、二百萬元以下罰還,並得按次處罰。民營廣播 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3367.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3390.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
廣播電視事業有下列情形之一者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正藉其不改正者得按次處罰或廢止其許可並註銷執照依容許違反第五條之一第一項第一款第三項第一款第五項規定之人行使表決權或享有股東權利 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3392.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3403.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
二違反主管機關依第五條之一第九項所為之命令委員翁曉林等十六人提案第四十四條之二提案號一一零零四七七六 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3405.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3420.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
民營廣播電視事業違反主管機關一第五條第二項鎖定最低實收資本額及捐助財產總額者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正藉其不改正者得按次處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3422.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3444.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
委員洪孟楷等四人所提修正動議第44條之二有下列各款情形之一者處新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下罰還並另期限期改正藉其不改正者得按次處罰一民營廣播電視事業違反主管機關一第五條第二項鎖定最低時收資本額 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3444.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3463.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
及捐助財產總額二、政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第一項第一款或第二款規定三、政黨其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第三項第一款或第三款規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3465.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3481.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
4.政府政黨違反第五條之一第四項規定5.政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員違反第五條之一第五項規定6.政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員違反第五條之一第六項規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
3482.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3499.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
政府其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第一項第三款規定經令其獻其改正、借其不改正者處新台幣二十萬元以上、二百萬元以下罰還並再令其獻其改正、借其仍不改正者的案次處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
3500.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3528.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
政黨其捐助成立之財團法人或其受託人違反第五條之一第三項第二款或第四款規定經令其獻其改正借其不改正者處心台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並再令其獻其改正借其人不改正者的案次處罰政黨黨務工作人員政務人員及選任公職人員之配偶二親等以內之血親直系姻親違反第五條之一第五項規定者 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
3529.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3540.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
主管機關因令致使投資逾百分之一以上者限期改正 藉其不改正者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並得按次處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
3542.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3568.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
民營廣播電視事業有下列情形之一者處新台幣二十萬元以上二百萬元以下罰還並令其限期改正藉其不改正者的按次處罰或廢止其許可並註銷執照依容許違反第五條之一第一項第一款第三項第一款第五項規定之人行使表決權或享有股東權利二違反主管機關一第五條之一第九項所為之命令 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
3570.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3581.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
行政院含情審議委員羅美玲等18人台灣民眾黨黨團提案第1102194611020925號委員張志倫等19人委員郭玉琴等17人委員林思敏等22人委員洪孟凱等21人委員黃秀芳等20人委員林倩琪等22人委員邱振軍等25人 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
3592.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3606.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
委员傅坤琦等18人委员王逸川等17人委员朱全琦等19人委员洪梦凯等16人委员王美惠等17人委员赖瑞荣等17人委员卢宪一等17人委员徐宇珍等21人委员林淑芬等19人委员 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
3607.583 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3628.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
林俊仙等23人 委员黄简等18人 委员张亚林等16人 委员陈培宇等18人 委员罗志强等18人 委员王玉敏等16人 委员黄建豪等18人 委员李坤成等19人 委员徐晓鑫等18人 委员谢龙介等16人 委员卢明哲等18人 委员罗平伟等18人 委员张宏禄等18人 委员张宏禄等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3630.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3649.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
分別擬具道路交通管理處罰條例修正草案第21條行政院提案第二項墨具修正為沒入該汽機車第三項手具刪除規定二字中斷第五款後新增規定二字墨具新增其屬違反第35條第一項第二款拒絕接受該款稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3649.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3660.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
或測試檢定或違反同條第十一項吊銷駕駛執照期間違反第一項第一款至第五款規定者按第一項或第二項所處罰還加罰新台幣三萬六千元罰還並沒入該汽汽車與同現行條文台灣民眾黨黨團提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
3666.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3687.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第11021946號第三項手續修正為第35條第一項35條之一規定莫具修正為加罰新台幣6萬元與同現行條文委員羅美玲等18人第一項罰還金額修正為一萬兩千元以上三萬六千元以下第二項罰還金額修正為三萬六千元莫具修正為應沒入 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3688.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3718.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
與同縣刑條文委員徐宇珍等21人除第三項末段新增文字中第35條第一項第二款為第35條第二款外與同行政院提案委員林淑芬等19人委員張雅玲等16人委員陳培宇等18人同行政院提案委員林俊憲等23人第三項手續刪除規定二字末具新增屬一第35條第一項第二款或拒絕接受其稽查測試檢定第11項吊銷駕駛執照違反第一項第一款至第五款者 |
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案第一項或第二款所屬罰還加罰新台幣48,000元罰還並得沒入該汽汽車與同現行條文委員賴瑞龍等17人新增第四項汽機車駕駛人於第35條之一第1項至第4項規定吊銷駕駛執照期間違反第一項第一款至第五款者案第一項或第二項所定罰還所最高額加罰新台幣5萬元罰還並沒入該汽機車其後項4.1與同現行條文 |
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委員黃婕等十八人提案第二項默劇維持現行條文第三項中斷修正或與同條第十一項吊銷駕駛執照期簽與同行政院提案第二十一條之一行政院提案第二項默劇修正為沒入該汽車第三項手續修正為第三十五條第一項至第五項中斷第五款後新增規定二字默劇新增其屬違反第三十五條第一項第二款 |
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拒絕接受該款稽查或測試檢定或違反同條第十一項吊銷駕駛執照期間違反第一項第一款至第五款規定者按第一項或第二項所處罰還加罰新台幣八萬元罰還並沒入該汽車與同現行條文 |
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台湾民众党党团提案提案第11021946号第三项手续修正为第35条35条之一墨具加法金额修正为20万元云头线型条文委员徐玉珍等21人委员林淑芬等19人委员张亚林等16人同行政院提案委员林俊仙等23人第三项手续第一项之后新增至第五项墨具新增其属 |
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第35條第一項第二款或拒絕接受其稽查測試檢定第11項吊銷駕駛執照違反第一項第一款之第五款者按第一項或第二項所處罰還加罰新台幣10萬元罰還並得沒入該汽車與同現行條文委員賴瑞榮等17人提案新增第4項 |
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汽車駕駛人於依第35條之一第一項規定吊扣或吊銷駕駛執照期間違反第一項第一款之第五款者按第一項或第二項所屬罰還加罰新台幣10萬元罰還並沒入該車輛其後相似地以與同現行條文委員黃捷等18人提案 |
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第二项墨具维持现行条文于同行政院提案委员陈培宇等18人第三项手续第一项之后新增至第五项并保留规定二字于同行政院提案第35条 |
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行政院提案第一項中斷並均當場一致保管該汽機車之後新增第一款之情形並並調扣其駕駛執照二年至第四年之後新增第二款之情形並吊銷其駕駛執照第三項中斷處罰之後新增 |
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署第二次違反第一項第二款規定者按第一項所定罰還最高額加罰新台幣九萬元修正第三次以上者按前次違反本項所處罰還金額加罰新台幣九萬元第四項中段罰還後新增署 |
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3920.962 |
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拒絕接受第一項第二款機查或測試檢定者處新台幣二十七萬元罰還修正並均應當場一致保管該汽機機車第五項手段第四項修正為前項中段罰還後新增署拒絕接受第一項第二款機查或測試檢定者處新台幣四十萬元四十五萬元罰還第六項中段 |
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第六項前段刑法第185條之三第一項第一款或第二款修正為刑法第185條之三第一項或陸海空軍刑法第54條第一項第八項修正為汽機車駕駛人駕駛汽機車經測試檢定後有下列情形之一年滿18歲之同車乘客屬新台幣6000元以上 |
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一萬五千元以下罰還但年滿七十歲心智障礙或汽車運輸業之乘客不在此限一土氣所含酒精濃度達每公升零點二五毫克或血液中酒精濃度達百分之零點零五以上而吸食毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥品或其相類似之管制藥品第九項模具修正為沒入該車輛 |
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後新增其屬違反第一項第二款或拒絕接受該款稽查或測試檢定者亦沒入該車輛新增第十一項吸食毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥品或其相類似之管制藥品者經警察機關確認後吊銷其駕駛執照其後相似地與同線性條文台灣民眾黨黨團提案第11021946號棄機車駕駛人經檢定經測試檢定有下列情形之一者依規定處罰之並均當場一致 |
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保管该车辆1.驾驶汽机车酒精浓度超过规定标准机车驾驶人处新台币15000元以上9万元以下罚还汽车驾驶人处新台币3万元以上12万元以下罚还命均调扣其驾驶执照一年至二年2.试用第一级第二级毒品或其项类似之管制药品检定结果呈现阳性反应机车驾驶人处新台币9万元以上30万元以下罚还 |
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汽车驾驶人处新台币12万元以上60万元以下罚还吊销其驾驶执照4年内不得再考零三试用第三级第四级毒品迷患药麻醉药或其项类似之管制药品鉴定结果呈现阳性反应汽车驾驶人处新台币9万元以上24万元以下罚还 |
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汽車駕駛人處新台幣12萬元以上45萬元以下罰還吊扣其駕駛執照4年有前項各款情形負載有未滿12歲兒童之人或嬰兒肇事致人受傷依下列規定加重處罰違反前項第一款吊扣其駕駛執照2年至4年駕駛營業大客車者吊銷其駕駛執照嬰兒肇事且負載有未滿12歲兒童之人者按其吊扣駕駛執照期間加倍處罰 |
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違反第二項第三款依其駕駛車輛所處罰還其吊扣吊銷駕駛執照期間加罰二分之一駕駛營業用大客車吊銷其駕駛執照五年內不得再考慮嬰兒肇事且負載有未滿十二歲兒童之忍者按其吊扣吊銷駕駛執照期間加倍處罰 |
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4095.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
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汽机车驾驶人有第一项各款情形因遭致人重伤或死亡者按其罚还加倍处罚并吊销其驾驶执照不得再考虑本条例中华民国108年4月17日修正公布条文实行之日起汽机车驾驶人于10年内第二次违反第一项第一款规定者依其驾驶车辆分别依第一项所定法官最高额处罚之第三次以上者按前四违反本项所属罚还金额加罚新台币9万元并均 |
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4139.063 |
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因当场一致保管该汽机车吊销其驾驶执照公路主管机关得公布其姓名照片及违法事实如照释致人重伤或死亡者吊销其驾驶执照并不得再考虑 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
4140.353 |
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本条例中华民国某年某月某日修正公布条文施行之日起弃机车驾驶人于十年内第二次违反第一项第二款或第三款规定者依其驾驶车辆分别依第三款锁定罚还最高额处罚之第三次以上者按前次违反本项所处罚还金额加罚新台币二十四万元该车辆不问属于受罚人与否均没入之 |
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4186.912 |
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並吊銷其駕駛執照公路主管機關因公佈其姓名遭騙及違反事實如遭事致人重傷或死亡者吊銷其駕駛執照並不得再考慮台灣民眾黨黨團提案第11021946號第35條之一汽機車駕駛人有下列各款行刑之一者處新台幣27萬元以上54萬元以下罰還並當場一致保管該汽機車吊銷其駕駛執照 |
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4221.705 |
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如肇事致人重傷或死亡者吊銷其駕駛執照並不得再考慮一駕駛汽機車行經警察機關設有告示執行前條第一項測試檢定之處所不依此事停車接受稽查二拒絕接受前條第一項測試檢定三接受前條第一項測試檢定前施用或服用含酒精之物毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥品或其相類似之管制藥品或其相類似之管制藥品 |
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4.發生交通事故後,在接受前條第一項測試檢定前,施用或服用含酒精之物、毒品、冥幻藥、麻醉藥品或其相類似之管制藥品。前項第三款、第四款所施用毒品為第一級、第二級毒品或相類似之管制藥品者,依其所處罰還加被處罰,所施用毒品為第三級、第四級毒品。 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
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迷幻药麻醉药品或其相类似之管制药品或其相类似之管制药品者依其所处罚还加罚二分之一本条例中华民国某年某月某日修正公布条文施行之日起汽机车驾驶人于十年内第二次违反第一项规定者依第一项所定罚还最高额处罚之第三次以上者按前次违反本项所处罚还金额加罚新台币二十七万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
4270.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4292.041 |
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並均應當場已致保管該汽汽車 吊銷其駕駛執照公路主管機關得公布其姓名照片及違反事實如招式致人重傷或死亡者 吊銷其駕駛執照並不得再考慮汽車駕駛人駕車發生交通事故涉犯刑法第185條之三各款嫌疑拒絕接受第35條第一項測試檢定或無法實施測試檢定者依下列規定處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4296.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
好 我們同時間繼續念 繼續念 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
4325.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
4353.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我们继续这个一边处理宣读条文一边来进行主案协商我们首先先处理电信管理法那我们先来介绍在场到场委员哦李坤哲委员陈青龙总召许志杰委员尤浩委员好那我们今天先现在先首先先处理这个电信管理法 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4354.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
4367.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
那电气管理法有黄建豪葛罗军林倩琪林俊宪邱正军业人士等人提案哦那我们看一下条文内容部分先针对电气管理法第36条提案委员有好我们先请李坤哲委员发言 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
4369.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4386.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
因為林俊憲委員還有其他重要行程那我先待會說明一下第36條有關林俊憲委員的相關提案最重要是申請衛星電信技術設置使用電信資源的公眾電信網路 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
他提案是認為主管機關審酌以下的重要事項最主要是第一個當然是國家的安全第二是公眾電信網路的安全第三是電信資源的使用情形第四是電信網路之整體規劃及推動 |
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4411.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4423.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
第五是電信產業發展第六是其他公共利益之需要就是儲管機關必須審酌的重要事項那相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4425.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4454.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
我的這個對於電信管理法第36條我的看法是今天審查電信管理法第36條修法的重點主要是要放寬衛星通信技術的設置使用電信資源之公眾電信網路的董事長國籍以及外資的比例的限制那基於這樣的一個修正方向我有幾個提醒 |
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4455.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4479.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
第一個我國平樸主權跟國家資源配置秩序的維繫第二是未來如何確保通訊監察及司法的一個執行的能力第三是緊急通報及公共安全責任的這個狀況要如何去落實 |
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4482.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4503.908 |
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我們必須要清楚如果低軌衛星系統它的核心控制是在境外同時如果是跨國企業所掌控那未來如果發生狀況或者是戰爭的時候要怎麼去確保這個服務能夠維持 |
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4506.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4530.199 |
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他們是不是要優先考慮外商或是他們母國的利益那未來這個通訊能力會不會成為一種政治的籌碼這是我們要去思考的另外如果依據目前的一個討論的方向我有以上的提醒如果依據現行提案版本通過 |
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4531.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4552.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
未來有沒有可能去要求落實這些資料在地化服務在地化或者是設置本國衛星地球電台或者是衛星地面的一個接收站台那我要請教一下NCC現在國際的做法是什麼 |
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4553.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4582.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
那這個狀況要做說明也希望大家能夠通盤的一個檢討以上好 謝謝昆哲委員那這個我有提案我也稍微說明一下我想我的部分我們在幾個條件上面的限制其實第一個這次的修法其實保留原來條文就是49%的持股跟這個本國人當董事長他在原條文裡面還是保留但是其實我們在我跟鉅縣委員的這個修法的過程裡面我想在條文上面基本上還是 |
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保留原條款的同時也授權行政機關做一定程度的放寬那再符合幾個條件包含說剛剛這個崑哲委員幫俊憲委員提到包含說我們在文字上面一致的包含說國家安全公眾電信網路是安全電信資源使用情形跟其他公共利益的需要的部分我想我們大家是認為這些部分可以讓主管機關來考慮那當然在這個電信網路之整體規劃及推動還有電信產業發展的部分我是把它濃縮成 |
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呃電信服務市場整體發展哦所以在幾個條件的放寬下面 |
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由行政機關來決定說來審核說適不適合那怎麼開放因為包含說像日本韓國剛剛很多朋友很多朋友跟業界擔心說什麼國家安全的問題我想全世界各國日本韓國甚至現在在打仗烏克蘭然後伊朗等等他們都有所謂的這國家安全的問題但是確實遇到戰爭或遇到災難的時候他本來的通訊被斷了之後台灣也是常常面對到什麼海底電纜被切斷的問題嘛 |
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那有沒有什麼樣備援的通訊方式我想這是我們主管機關去思考的那在課則上面我們建議說比如說日本他們是直接採取說你落地要一個具備實質控制的法人機構讓政府能夠監管嘛你還是外資但是你必須透過一個實質的本地的這個法人來做相關的監管來做相關的營運所以我覺得這個是在修法過程裡面有些部分是法律條文的放寬但是實質上 |
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可能是有行政機關這邊來落實說怎麼樣去處理比較好好吧 那看其他委員會意見嗎如果沒有 那個申請人總召 |
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有關於電信管理法36條的一個修法基本上我們也看到各位委員的一個版本利益良善我們也了解但是我想在這個部分包括我從過去也曾經跟我們NCC的代理主委也請教過 |
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我們電信管理班36條的一個修正有關於這個外國人持股的比例等等這些我有請教過我們的代理主委那另外我們也了解那我從我們那個數位部我們林部長的臉書我也有看過那他有提到這個史達林我們信念從2021 |
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有表達這個可能要來台灣但是還要求百分之百的獨資等等一直到我們現在我們也曾經去詢問新念要不要來台灣林部長的臉書給我我那時候看的印象是 |
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行列覺得台灣的這個市場可能比較小那失去5G的通路已經夠然後對這個市場可能也沒有太大的興趣等等這些部分那我想這個 |
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電信管理法的修法當然也牽涉到我們的數據的一個主權那整個落地的一個資料的一個主權整理這也牽涉到未來 |
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這個是不是我們提供衛星支援手機或衛星支援我們的設備服務等等這些我們也了解國外可能也有國外的一些案例或規定那這個部分 |
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我想包括我們的這個NCC,包括我們的數位發展部,蘇發部這邊應該是不是待會請趙薇有機會請他們做一個詳盡的一個說明 |
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新的有沒有要求我們一定要修吧以配合他的百分之百的一個獨資那其他目前已經有的地軌衛星又如何跟我們目前國內的一個通信業者來合作這些等等是不是藉由我們在委員會的審查能夠 |
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蘇華部也好 請NCC也好能夠跟我們委員做一些比較詳盡的一個說明以上 謝謝好 謝謝陳金龍總召那接下來我們是不是先請NCC先發言然後再請蘇惠夫補充我先請陳在戴主委 |
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這邊先簡單補充報告就是剛剛李控制委員還有趙委員提到說目前的修正條文對這個不管是通訊監察或者司法配合上這一部分的基本上是這樣子 |
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通保法有規定那如果在台灣的定心事業它必須是它的基本的法律事項如果它沒有達成會有對應的法律效果像通保法的31條會有一個延續法等等之類的 |
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那公共安全的包括這一些在定管法其實本身是既有的制度有一般義務跟特別義務那些他都必須要遵從他不遵從他根本連大照他都拿不到所以這個是基本的一些說明那 |
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在我這邊也有提到說那數據主權這一塊那其他國家是怎麼做那當然這幾天外界都有一些提出一些說法那基本上在大院教會4月22的討論其實NCC的報告裡頭都有提到那要維持數據主權大概是有兩個基本做法 |
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那歐洲國家大部分是要求捷委來落地那韓國或日本的對應是說 特別是韓國他是有跟本國既有業者來合作那今天大院委員所提的案 基本上是個同案的處理不特別說是根據某個案來做一些對應的處理 |
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那至於通案上 那設個位與否 確實這個也會關乎這個數據主權那是因為它的技術特性的關係 有些它必須達到說它這個第二代第三代inter-satellite的一些雷射的對傳 |
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衛星數要夠多才能達致那他的桌位雖然不是一定要但是歐洲國家是對應他會設桌位來押注但是歐洲國家因為他在其他各自保護GDPR的一些相當的嚴格所以他在那邊會有一些平衡的一些處理那韓國日本大部分是主要是靠說我要請你要跟本國公司合作那日本本身也有桌位的落地我是以這個 |
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各案的那家衛星公司來提供那這個今天的修正案從最早的葛珠君委員所提案以來外界也不斷的討論包括大院交通委員會4月20號討論之後陸陸續續外界也好學界也好公開相關都有在討論那後續的委員的提案其實多多少少都有把這些意見慢慢的融入那所以像 |
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所以各個委員的提案都有助有貢獻那今天提案裡頭最靠近現在提的案子相對於是說有一個優勢它精進還有統合融合各界的意見的程度是最完整的 |
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那當然所有立法坦白來講是沒有沒有絕對的100分的但是就是就我們國家的政策上的一配合哪一個考量因素是權重數最高那如果台灣認為 |
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任性是最重要的當然其他的一些治安通報本身既有法律都有在規範都有在連結它是個法律事項也會有一些對應的法律效果所以NCC這邊是初步認為說如果我們正常覺得這個政策上的需要我這邊初步看說 |
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目前最后一版本提出来的东西它是相对的一些比较有持续在一些比较完整像文静县委员所提的今天的这个包括这个一两个礼拜所提的外界关注的数据主权那一块其实在它的立法说明的像今天资料的第七页第八页都有提到说 |
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在未來主管機關在審酌事項的時候會考量說他有沒有跟本國定性業者合作是在今天提案的第七頁的倒數第五行第六行那元樂社就業會在第八頁這邊的第六行第七行這邊也有提到所以結論就是如果我們國家政策上 |
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各個權重這個任性等等如果是對應的一些權重數是以任性為主的話我們是認為說最靠近現在今天審查的最靠近的提案應該是相對比較完整以上先第一次補充 |
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我們速發部這邊對於這個電信法第36條的修正案首先做幾個說明第一個就是當業者申請衛星通信技術 |
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設置使用電信資源的公眾電信網路的時候這個核准機關是NCC但是當這個業者申請通過以後他必須向速發部來申請這個無線電頻率的合配這個是先做一下背景說明就是NCC跟速發部的分工那關於那個STAR LINK的那個狀況就是我們速發部之前有跟他們 |
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那個接洽過那他們現在就是表示說他們對台灣的市場興趣並不是那麼大原因是因為台灣的4G跟5G的人口覆蓋率已經超過99.9% |
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所以他們認為說在商業市場上他們的市場不大但是其實我們都知道台灣其實為什麼需要無線這些低軌衛星通訊我們主要目的並不是平時而是緊急狀況的時候需要 |
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然後在緊急狀況的時候需要這個低軌通訊衛星的話這個又有一個就是說比較技術上的問題就是我們一方面我們希望就是他們這些低軌衛星通訊公司在台灣設立所謂的gateway就是說民眾連上這個低軌衛星以後馬上這個低軌衛星又連上台灣的這個地面接收站這個gateway然後再透過光纜連到全世界的 |
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那個Internet上面但是萬一發生緊急狀況的時候我們知道這個Internet那個光纜可能會被切斷這時候我們又希望說我們連上這些衛星以後直接這些衛星就把資料這個連線就連到那個海外的這些gateway所以這個地方事實上是有些技術上的問題我們必須要解決 |
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但是整體來講因為這些條文應該是會給我們政府單位比較多的彈性來處理這個事情所以我們還是基本上我們是尊重NCC的決定 |
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好 謝謝主委 謝部長 接下來請許志堅委員謝謝主席 我想我在這邊再特別強調一下國家安全的綜合考量 這個當然是最重要的那這個部分你們比較專業嘛我想在這個審查的時候 真的是要非常的審慎這個是最重要的因素 要提醒你們特別特別的注意好 謝謝好 接下來請黃孟楷委員 |
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好 感謝趙偉不管是趙偉或是我們幾位委員都有相關的提案我想我先開中明一講這今天不是要幫任何一個業者講話而是說今天這個條文裡面其實最主要還是衛星通信技術的設置到底能不能符合幾個要件第一個要件是增加台灣的韌性 |
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過去這段時間不是政府最常講就是要增加台灣防衛韌性那如果說防衛韌性的話我們就是要更多狡猾或者說更多元技術的避免任何的網路的斷訊的一個狀況那世界各國現在怎麼做我想這就是我們現在所參考的嘛因為我們還是一樣是以他人為師那我們也看到說像日本 |
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日本現在有引進這相關的衛星通訊技術那主要日本也講是說為什麼他們大幅度的要來做因為日本的山區跟偏鄉地區非常的多所以涵蓋範圍他可以用衛星通訊來補足這一些山區跟偏鄉地區的不足 |
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那這是日本這邊我們可以學習的地方那第二個部分就是說在這個條文裡面如果我們現在以黃建豪委員召委的版本來看其實他還是要求在開放過程審理過程中絕對要符合幾個要件包括說我們公眾電信網路的安全以及資源使用的狀況還有國家安全跟其他公共利益等因素來給主管機關核准 |
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幻言之夢程度上這其實是在授權給行政機關也就是NCC來做一個審核者把關者但是也是能夠讓NCC在現行法令架構下面來設法增加台灣韌性的一個方法 |
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所以我們現在看到的是我們希望能夠讓NCC有多一點權限來為台灣增加韌性那現在主管機關是不希望有這樣的一個權限還是有什麼考量我覺得這可能就要再說明不然的話如果說進入條文裡面可以實質討論我覺得會更有恰當就更能夠明白說大家的意思那行政機關如果說認為因為剛剛速發部長講的方法是說台灣已經 |
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百分之九十九點九四級五級都涵蓋了所以不需要但我們剛部長你也講嘛就是說其實有平時跟暫時嘛沒錯嘛所以說我們現在講是說其實增加韌性的一個方向這就變成是平時有平時的考量就是說有些地方即便您所提到百分之九十九點九是涵蓋但是也不可諱言啊本席的選區有一些三區的地方它真的就是前不著春後不著電 |
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那你說要爭取一個基地台在那邊爭取一個發射台一個基地台在那邊爭取了老半天中華電信比較容易叫得動其他電信真的還是三催四請而且他可以推託說那個地方用這個用戶的人沒有到那麼多所以他們就 |
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三推四推那如果說有未來有這樣的一個衛星通訊的話某種程度上可以彌補讓偏鄉地區跟山區地方的一個不足這個是我們現在看到日本跟韓國的例子所以說我整個講完我要強調未來現在做得比較好是Starlink沒有做可是未來會不會有第二家第三家不知道 |
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但是這一個法條的根本中心在於是增加台灣的韌性跟保障台灣的安全還有主管機關審核我們有這把關的一個機制所以並不是說哪一家業者來就一定過或一定不過我想這個是現在修法的一個目的雖然本期沒有提案但是我支持跟尊重我們召委的一個版本那我也希望是能夠再請NCC或是速發部再針對 |
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召委版本這邊來做一個說明到底有沒有哪裡是不足或說不妥的地方那可以更進一步來提出討論以上謝謝好謝謝孟凱委員我想問一下剛剛行政部門的意思是說我覺得太多些明確啦就這樣才能進入到1810討論的過程就是今天不管是哪一個委員的版本裡面有沒有你們覺得可以使用然後這些東西我覺得今天大家修法的過程裡面很明確剛剛其實孟凱也講的一件事情是很明確的是要 |
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把法律上的限制拿掉應該說法律上限制做一定程度的授權讓行政機關有辦法做事情因為在原來條文裡面是直接寫實所謂49%跟董事長叫本國人這個條文是直接放進去的但是剛剛提到包含國家安全的問題包含說通訊監察包含整個技術上的審查等等的 |
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這個本來就是屬於技術會屬於行政部門要做的事情那這件事情不管法律怎麼修那本來就是ACC或是我們本來的業務內容那在原來的36條裡面它只是因為要把所謂的顧不全49%把它挾持之後你們就算再多技術再多審查也沒有辦法作用嘛因為根本不能進入這個程序裡面 |
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所以今天想確認我們在進入條文調次內容調整之前想先確認到底行政機關的立場是說今天這個條文如果這樣過去授權讓你們去處理這些細節你們可行還是不可行我覺得這個要態度先明確我們才有辦法進入實質討論先請主委 |
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謝謝趙偉 剛剛與趙偉跟李委員的詮詢 簡單回應像我剛剛就強調說 其實每個委員提案的版本都鑄有貢獻只是越後面提的委員的版本 他相對是整合了輿論的討論 公共的討論所以他納入他的情況會比較完整 |
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那剛剛我們具體的看法是這樣的就是因為靠近現在提的版本就是說清楚一點就是林俊駿文的版本是相對比較完整那我們就看提案的第三頁這邊有黃昭偉跟林俊駿文的版本一樣是第九項來看那林俊駿文的版本第九項他是把這些要考量事項他是把它分 |
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分款來阻止把它強烈那黃昭偉這邊原來條文這邊有寫說要對於888無不利之影響無不利影響應該是說你那個風險要控到零控到零這個在實務操作上其實是相對有它的一些局限 |
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那其實通案而言不管哪個委員提倡版本其實原來走的機制沒有修法之前機制並不是廢掉它這邊是低頭像是德但是加了一個選項所以變成說是主管機關不管是這個評議主管人事會部還有後續的監禮機關是NC這邊我們是相對說在國家安全 |
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目前對土要 剛剛陳儒 黃委員所提到說平時是普及率或者一些偏鄉郊區的一些接收的一些來對應那特殊時期 災時也好 戰時也好這個韌性是國家比較在意的那也是說 假設我們國家這方面的權重最大的話我們這邊是覺得說 這個立法是有需要的 |
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當然外界所一直關心說助理主權有沒有跟本宮合作剛剛跟各位我們報告在新版的最後一版的提案的第七頁第八頁這邊都有著墨著墨是表示什麼呢表示說未來在審查的時候這些都是有一個指標 |
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指標性的一些歷史作用我們在審查的時候會進行考量那假設今天審查的時候有些業者國內業者跟大廳合議後來會合作那當然是相對之已經確保了這個數據主權的一些部分以上先想要補充 |
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好 感謝 那NCC主委再一次講的就比較明確了那我覺得這樣子 既然也有相關的共識那我建議是不是 朝偉這邊也請示那建議是不是NCC就給我們你的文字再做修正你們建議的版本 |
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就是說這幾個委員綜合討論嘛即便你講是說這個最後提出來的版本是比較符合這樣看起來好像也有相關的溝通那但是我們既然是交通委員會的審查我建議是說就NCC這邊提出一個文字修正的Final版本那我們這邊如果說大家覺得可以的話那我們就一起簽名那就變成是我們的一個共體版本那這樣子也就可以順利在電線法36條裡面讓它順利送出委員會 |
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抱歉 門檻會員的一個 |
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但是從我們陳代理主委這邊的發言我們真的要確定我們NCC的態度各個委員的版本主委也一直講說後續提出的越來越有趨近於比較完整的一個描述 |
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那我想這個關係到我們國家安全的一個任性也關係到我們的數據的一個主權我在這裡請教我們NCC針對這樣的一個議題那我們過去有沒有邀請過專家或是這個領域的學者或是我們的業界 |
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針對這樣的議題做一些討論那另外我剛剛也談到的包括這個所謂衛星職員手機衛星職員設備服務當然這個都是技術性但是這個牽涉到我們的一個社會主權都非常重要 |
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那在這個過程當中剛剛門檻委員也提到是不是我們NCCR一直也沒有自己的一個版本或是一個文字的一個建議所以這個案子是不是我在這裡也均意交尾這個真的也很重要牽涉到國家安全牽涉到所謂主權 |
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是不是有機會我們來把他保留然後能夠一個月大家也來請NCC提出他作為主管機關的一個意見也提出版本修正的一個參考讓我們的修法能夠更加完善我想這也是我一個建議 |
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好謝謝陳青龍總召這樣來我們先休息5分鐘我們再寫上一下濃度測試檢定以下簡稱血液測試檢定修正為實施血液或血液檢體採樣及酒精濃度度頻發對藥品或其他相類植物或其代謝物質測試檢定以下簡稱檢體採樣及測試檢定後段血液測試檢定均修正為 |
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檢體三樣級測試檢定第八項中斷發放後增電機測試檢定由第一項D5管清晰掩滿18歲前明知或隔得而知之投車乘客一堂第四、三項、第六項學歷測試檢定結果修正為 |
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因為你的手機都不用改我知道啦 技術我又不是不懂 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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好感激 |
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那他那個位也要給我 |
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臺大醫院院長臺大醫院院長臺大醫院院長臺大醫院院長臺大醫院院長 |
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上去 |
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都會訓練好 因為這個項目要配合新規案要配合新規案要配合新規案要配合新規案要配合新規案 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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鸡蛋 |
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谢谢观看 |
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我覺得腦袋不太會 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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因為後面的製品大家的 |
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響鐘 |
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他就不會在這個景點,因為他如果要進來的話,就拿小燈或是用藍燈,所以他就不會在這個景點,就拿小燈或是用藍燈, |
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鸡蛋 |
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好我們進去開會我們先對那個上次議事錄請問各位委員對上次議事錄有沒有意見有沒有意見沒有好好議事錄確定那我們接下來繼續處理這個電信管理法36條的這個條文的這個討論大家手上都有拿到這個NCC剛剛處理的出來的文字修正的部分大家手上都有嗎各位委員都有好 |
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那我們先請那個主委先說明一下謝謝 |
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我們是以民進院委員的版本然後再採納這個黃昭偉的版本這是在第九項的第四項後段把後段兩件字刪掉然後新增第六款就是昭偉的版本裡頭有了一些很重要的一個關注的一些 |
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電信產業發展跟服務市場發展的部分它的區別在哪邊如果說把這兩款合併成一款的話是不是也可以電信產業發展的產業難道沒有包含整個服務市場嗎 |
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我們的初步想法是說電信產業發展包括它的Supply Chain的一些衛星供應商電信設備商等等它的周邊的電信服務市場是整個目前是在Playground裡頭的既有的業者還包括衛星業者他們提供電信服務的那些業者一個是業者一個被NC管的一個是包括經濟部所管的一些Supply Chain能不能有益於它發展 |
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假設這個衛星的服務提供有意促進本國其他相關作品設備器材的一些本國的臥底本國的發展那我們認為那是屬於第五款以上補充 |
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電信產業發展這邊指的應該是那個設備比如說那個衛星接收的那個訊號接收的時候需要一個像小耳朵那樣的接收設備那現在很多這類的設備都是在台灣生產製造的所以這是電信產業的發展那電信服務市場這個指的通常是 |
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那個像我們三大電信公司像中華電信、遠傳電信跟台灣大哥大就是電信服務的市場所以兩者還是有點不一樣的很像說明好 謝部長其他委員有補充意見嗎好 陳慶隆委員抱歉 趙偉那我們剛剛也我一直有提出來當然我們這個版本現在我們NCC這邊有提出一點做這樣的一個修正 |
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那我想電信館136條的一個修正我剛剛也提出了收集主權還有未來整個當然國家安全是最重要的國家安全的論性最重要我們也多了解 |
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那是整個我們包括未來這個低軌衛星啊牽涉到這個安全的部分包括詐騙的一個等等我剛剛也提到這個衛星這個直連手機等等這些問題齁那其實NCC也沒辦法給我一個很明確的一個答案 |
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那我剛剛也詢問了我們NCC針對電信管理板36條的一個修法還有我們現在低軌衛星的引進那目前已經有至少兩家業者是要跟國內的業者來合作落實我們的這個主權 |
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那另外當然我們也不可能講說所謂的個別業者怎麼樣那這個案子我這邊的一個意見我覺得我們在這邊趕在這邊急真的有那麼急那麼趕嗎那是不是就我們的一個各個委員的一個提供的一個建議 |
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那是不是我們就保留些上一個月然後在這裡能夠來做一個充分討論那就算我們今天提的通過NCC你也沒有能力來制定這些到目前為止可能也沒有辦法立即來制定沒有辦法來立即制定相關的一個細節 |
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那是不是這麼重要的一個條文的一個修正我在這邊表達真的建議總召我們這邊的一個意見就是建議保留送卸上冷凍一個月之後大家再來做確定這是我以上的意見 |
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好 謝謝陳慶雄總長 現在請林俊憲委員好 謝謝主席我想這個低軌衛星因為基本上技術都是掌握在國外公司那現在全世界大家都知道這種通訊有網路的那個韌性安全的重要那尤其台灣狀況跟不一樣 |
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我記得去年台南風災最可怕的地方在於它通訊全斷它網路全斷掉 電話也全斷掉當時對災民來講最憤怒的大概很不滿就是這一點也影響到救災的工作現在如果以台灣舊有的那種法規其實你等於是把 |
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有可能進入到台灣的世界先進的技術通通都把它擋下來所以我是覺得我們適度的政府必須適度的有貪心的經過我們法律允許的政府經過審慎考量的話其實讓台灣的公司可以跟世界來一個對接或者讓世界的公司可以到台灣來 |
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那基本上我是認為這一點對我們台灣目前來講其實是重要的其實我強調的是安全韌性否則像這種帝國衛星台灣的第一個台灣市場很小台灣大概兩千多萬人而且台灣的4G覆蓋率我看世界第一 |
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地球衛星的缺點就在於它通訊品質沒有我們這種世界好但是它的優點在於它可以沒有死角以及如果我們既有的這種網路出現問題 基地台出現問題讓它可以提供一定的通訊和網路的功能 |
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所以基本上這種事情應該是台灣越快定案越快來跟世界的技術接軌 引進世界的技術來我認為希望大家我記得張維也有提相關類似的一個法案以上是我的意見 大家應該支持啦 |
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好 兩個部分我們其實看到世界各國現在運用先進技術這個低軌衛星其實都已經非常純熟了而且都進入到市場了最明顯的最近世界盃足球賽有人是可以直接用低軌衛星在飛機上看世界盃足球賽 |
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那甚至就說在美國本土裡面那個他們的飛機裡面航班他已經不再依靠的是飛機上面的Wi-Fi而是直接用低軌衛星這個都是有實際的例子嘛所以我們了解是說其實它的運用純熟之後台灣真的不應該再閉門造局啦這個是本席的一個期待所以為什麼我們今天交通委員會我們也希望是跟世界接軌但是先決條件當然國家安全很重要以及絕對不能變成低軌衛星是詐騙集團的破口 |
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所以我們才會講是說你 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
7073.105 |
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7099.982 |
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公眾電信安全要擺在第二順位國家安全擺在第一順位這個是本席所認同的那剛剛有聽到不同黨團有不同的意見我還是懇求啦雖然坐在我旁邊懇求說民眾黨團看是不是能夠來想一下說有沒有什麼條文可以修正因為我們其實已經進入到很實質的條文內容審查了那我覺得說這一個提出來NCC所提出來版本我可以接受除了 |
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兩個字大家思考一下為什麼第五點電信產業就不用整體發展但第六點電信服務市場要整體發展好像那整體兩個字要嘛就是第五點也要一起整體發展啊不然的話第六點多加兩個整體好像我們服務市場才有整體發展的概念結果電信產業沒有整體發展的概念我覺得那兩個字有點 |
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不知道是不是多餘啦或者是說你可能想要強調是說就是overall的概念那但是折衷一下如果說要整體那可能電信第五點的電信產業也要整體發展那如果說不要的話就強調就是電信一個是電信產業一個是電信服務市場那不要的話那就是都一起不要我覺得這可能對於這個條文的這個精簡性跟這個準確性會比較合適那以上 謝謝好 謝謝孟凱委員那個先請 |
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7163.713 |
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我想這個協商一個月後NCC就很難協商了我想知道陳少偉如果到底什麼問題可以一定要留到協商 |
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7179.964 |
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7200.853 |
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如果現在大家條文大家都可以接受的話是不是現在就可以讓他通過不用再等了那林藥學商最主要的爭議是在哪裡可不可以就是說其實大家這個其實我不知道為什麼一定要等到等學商就等於不會通過了啦 |
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7209.788 |
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所以請陳昭偉思考一下好 先許個結尾沒關係 我先讓歐小林委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7211.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7233.837 |
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我想其實要修電信管理法36條這個規定明眼人一看就知道是為了誰而修主委您敢說這個是為了誰而修嗎通案嗎我想大家都知道了就是為了馬斯克而修 |
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那麼事實上就是在美國其實對於台灣的諸多的貿易障礙報告裡面其實都一直有在反映這件事情認為我們的電信管理法裡面將外資就是外資的這個投資的比例還有一定要這個董事長必須是本國籍人的這件事情有非常多的意見 |
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7282.115 |
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那事實上其實本席更期待的是NCC應該是不是要通盤去檢討目前電信管理法第四條那麼對於外國人直接間接投資台灣的電信產業還有就是有關於這個董事長是不是一定非得就中華民國國籍的這件事情要進行通盤考量那麼如果說今天只是 |
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7283.156 |
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為了馬斯克然後我們修了一個36條的這個 |
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7315.92 |
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這個規定然後只是准許未來衛星通信技術設置的這個電信產業是可以它的董事長可以不用是中華民國國籍然後呢它的外資比例也可以不用受限制的話那事實上我想或許使用一般現在電信通訊的這個公司或是未來有這個外國外國的電信公司有意要來 |
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7333.43 |
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進軍台灣電信市場的或許會認為說這個條文是不公平的條文但是我本身要講的是說我基本上是支持整個電信的這個投資外資投資的比例是可以鬆綁 |
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是可以鬆綁不需要像現在這麼嚴格那麼整個電信市場如果說以它是一個服務的市場來看的話越有競爭力其實對於消費者來講是越好而且整個電信技術各方面也會提升會進步更多那麼因此如果說就這個案子來講就是NCC的態度認為說以眼前來看是可以 |
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放寬可以向前走的話那我認為基本上這個條文其實也不需要就是說再保留送協商了那麼因為也都還蠻完整的 |
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7392.214 |
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建議是今天即時就可以出委員會好謝謝翁小蕾委員那我們先跟針對剛剛幾個委員的議題也請NCC等一下一起回應就是第一個是剛剛木凱講了說那個到底要不要電信產業整體發展這加上去對這個條文對你們有沒有影響那如果不要的話電信服務市場 |
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7413.17 |
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要不要整體發展還是就不用整體這是第一件比較簡單的問題那第二個是可能要回應翁小林委員他提到的我們第四項跟第五項的部分到底就是我們為什麼法律上要限制49%的股權跟為什麼一定要本國人擔任董事長這部分可能要請你們說明一下他的當初設定這個要件的 |
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7414.298 |
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背景原因是什麼那這個東西如果修的話對我們會有什麼影響有沒有機會修那再來最後一點是我個人的立場也是覺得說我想因為這從四月當初很早就來提案了那四月道歉討論其實也過了一段時間了那中間因為預算的關係所以大家沒有來協商可是這案子從四月進來到現在也三個月了所以我想 |
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7437.666 |
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7455.716 |
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也算是很非常的久的一段時間了一季了那再來就是說這個衛星通訊它是一個不斷更新的科技就是現在包含說自動駕駛包含衛星通訊然後各方面這個都是新科技我們的法律都是隨著科技跑沒辦法因為這個實際上聰明人太多了他們發新科技出來 |
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我們法律如果沒有跟上的話確實會有點影響所以我立場覺得說就現有技術就我們目前所知的部分我們先進行修法那後續有新的科技出來有新的應用出來的時候立法院可以再一次的進行相關的修法那今天的主題是希望說至少在沒有更動大條文前提之下授權行政部門在 |
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7481.047 |
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7497.826 |
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在這個食物上面能夠做一定程度的去去去審核去讓讓這個台灣的這個產業往前走我覺得目前是這個方向然後後續大家有不同的想法覺得應該要再把什麼都補進去我們包含說後面的修正東也好或是後續在其他法案在 |
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7512.806 |
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提案進來修正我覺得都是可以做的事情我個人立場是希望說站在召委的立場我希望今天還是能夠在文字上如果大家沒有太大意見我們就把他送入委員會然後讓這個條文能夠順利的進行了以上那先請主委先回應謝謝 |
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7545.104 |
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是那從那第一點這個第九項第六款跟第五款有沒有差整體良知我們建議就是第六款的電信服務市場整體發展整體良知就刪除那第二項第二點回應剛剛翁小林委員提到說董事長的部分其實在我們現在手上版本第九項的比如說第四項及第五項的外資第四項就是董事長第五項就是外資比例 |
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7545.524 |
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7570.938 |
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所以在衛星的部分董事長部分我們如果這版本通過就是都是鬆綁那回到根本為什麼當初會有這個限制其實跟各位報告那是因為在我們以前其實各個全世界各個國家對他們固有的電子市場特別是行動特別是過往早期國內包括海南這些對本國 |
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7571.858 |
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7596.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
各該國的主權概念的一些保護都會有這個概念那台灣在這個當年為加入WTO從更高要求的一些外資比例已經談到說這個目前49直接49直接加間接60這個是WTO目前的情況那也跟溫暖報告 |
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海浪部分其實現在沒有使用資源所以海浪部分這邊是已經接管了大概是這樣子 以上不出好 謝謝主委 陳清雄總召好 謝謝主席 謝謝教委我再一次強調我們不反對低軌衛星 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7619.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7640.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
來台灣提供服務我一定還是要再一次強調絕對不反對那也不會反對我們剛剛講主委講是同案啦主委去講個案但是就如從我們翁委員講的後面了解是新念那我們也歡迎新念來台灣提供服務啦 |
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那我在這邊還是就很簡單的那我就問得比較白一點如果我們今天其實我們當初會有電信管理法為什麼會設限要有中華民國國籍要有這個外國的持股比例不是為了國家安全不是為了公共電信網路安全嘛 |
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7680.635 |
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如果不是為了這個東西你幹嘛要去在電信管理法第36條要設那些規定那你現在又用同樣的一個理由因為國家安全公共電信網路安全電信資源使用情形電信產業發展等等所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7681.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7693.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
授權主管機關不授權相職限制你為了這個安全為了網路使用的安全我們剛剛也在強調很多安全 |
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7695.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7721.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
你才有電信法36號6條的外國人的限制通關民國國籍的限制持股比例的限制現在用同樣的立法理由要來授權主管機關因為這樣的理由而不受限制立法上本身就有一點點矛盾那我現在問一個比較直白的問題如果現在我們的版本通過如果斯大林進來了 |
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7722.552 |
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7731.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
我們要跟他調資料譬如說這個詐騙的也好還是相關的一個國安資料等等這些 |
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7735.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7760.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
這個新年會給我們嘛你們有辦法了解新年會禮物嗎那另外馬斯克我想大家從媒體報導也知道他請中的我不能這樣講就是他或許也不一定對所以從媒體報導我們所了解的馬斯克也不一定在國安的問題我們不能不給他有一點這個思考吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7784.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
應該要這樣講那我覺得我們不是反對即使今天NCC有沒有委員未來7月31號以後有沒有委員跟我們今天在這邊急的要有委員的情況之下來討論來通過我們這樣的一個修法我覺得沒有絕對的關係 |
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7786.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7812.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
沒有絕對的關係這個這個電信管理法36條的修正還是由我們到目前為止NCC也沒有它的行政院的版本剛剛是提出一些修正的一個文字建議那也都是我們委員所提出的版本那既然這樣的話那大家能夠讓這個修法更加的晚輩 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
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來能夠一個月來保留這還是我們黨團的一個意見也是我本人的一個意見我這邊還是這樣的一個主張而且我想大家也了解啦大家也了解現在又有 |
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其實也這麼多的地區衛星業者也依照現行的電信管理法36條也在提供我們的電信服務了所以我想整個修法還是請NCE這邊在這冷凍一個月的一個保留期間能夠邀請更多的專家學者比如說我們很多對通訊安全 |
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協會這些大家能夠再來討論各政黨大家來提供我們更完善的修法建議我覺得會更加的妥適那也不會說我們一保留一進入協商這個修法就不會過我覺得是大家共同一個目標我們都支持 |
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第一個衛星進到台灣來服務讓我們的國家安全數位的安全認証更加的提高這些方向我們都是支持而且全力支持只是在這個過程當中能不能更加做詳細的一個討論這是本人的一個主張 謝謝好 謝謝沈慶紅總召我們請NCC回應剛剛總召的一些提問 |
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謝謝總裁的吹詢那基本上大家都知道國家安全是個比較形容上的概念其實我個人把 |
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展開整四個部分 第一個通信監察第二個打仗治安 第三個樹地儲權 第四個任性我們今天提出的辦法 這四個面向裡頭其實最近幾年 最近20年來相關的通保法裡頭其實已經有逐步在進行所以通保法本身也是個必要條件 如果 |
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未來的某個會心業者他通訪法那邊沒有拿到通訊監察機關的一些許可的部分他根本大照也拿不到這是第一個補充第二個治安大家關心的打造打造條例制定之後其實業者竟然他本身就有義務要服從這個法徵那打造條例24、25比如對應的一些法則可以罰2000萬左右也可以延續罰 |
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好那信息主權其實在今天林俊英委員的今天版本的第七月第八月有提到說在本國設界位或者跟本國定義的合作這就是當未來如果通過的話本國主管機關在考量的時候必須要納入的好最後一個最重要的就是韌性那俄烏戰爭或等等災時的一些通訊的韌性 |
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至於這個面向我相信應該是各個提案委員心中權重最高的那這一塊其他的三個面向其實都有對應的一些把關去讓他不會漏接球那任性這一塊應該是跟各委員討論的結果應該是權重數最高那至於剛剛總召提到說那未來假設 |
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本條例規定之一 物漫車駕駛人人駕駛漫車違反第二項第三項之第五項規定之一 |
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我們休息十分鐘好不好大家再溝通一下十分鐘 |
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好,我們繼續開會那感謝這個民眾黨團陳慶紅總召的這個支持那大家我們進入這個實質的條文內容我們請工作人員放下那個第36條大家目前的版本螢幕上看36條 |
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第九項的部分刪除這個後段的部分刪除後段然後再來是第九項下面的這個第六把那個整體刪掉對好那文字部分大家看一下 |
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各位也沒有意見吼沒有好那我們電信管理法第36條條文修正我們就照委員黃慶豪及委員林俊憲的人提案修正通過好我們接下來進行附帶決議3號處理我們感謝民眾黨團的附帶決議3號處理我們接下來進行處理電信管理法第95條第95條大家有沒有意見95條已經照那個啊也有NCC也有版權啦 |
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好95條大家沒意見好好那第95條我們就直接按照林俊憲委員的提案直接提案通過好那現在宣讀附帶決議 |
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附帶決議一,介於手機直聯衛星及設備直聯衛星業務,涉及行動通信服務替代,用戶通信及定位資料傳輸跨境網路治理,通訊監察執行,資通安全管理及市場競爭秩序等重大公共利益事項,且主管機關尚未就該等業務訂定完整之監理制度,國家安全審查機制,資通安全規範,資料治理要求, |
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通訊檢查配合義務、災防及緊急通信機制、市場公平競爭規範等配套措施與相關政策方向及法令制度完成建設前主管機關應廣納產官學各界意見取得共識後制定相關法規命令與配套措施提案委員陳青榮、洪孟凱、黃建豪、林俊憲 |
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附帶決議第二項電信管理法第36條修正案通過後大幅放寬外資投入我國電信市場的限制將影響我國監理制度國家安全審查機制資通安全規範資料治理要求通訊檢查配合義務 |
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災防及緊急通信機制等原要求主管機關應將設立衛星地面接收站及資料必須落地於我國境內列為重要考量提案委員陳清榮林俊憲黃建豪洪孟凱宣讀完畢好附帶決議各位委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話我們附帶決議第一案通過第二案也通過 |
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所以我覺得已經要考量下去了 |
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來那個陳先生委員你補充陳先生委員你補充一下第二案的部分剛剛宣讀的一個負債決議的第二案最後那邊有做一個修正還是內圍重要考量條件那個條件兩個字還要那個文字還要各位有意見嗎行政機關沒有意見沒有意見好那我們這一對案也是修正通過 |
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好,那我們電器管理法36條跟這個第95條就審查完畢那我們現在進行有限廣播電視法的這個協商好,謝謝我們數位部林部長的參與好,現在進行這個有限廣播電視法的協商 |
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条文都宣布完毕了那我们看一下各位人对自己的第十条先看第十条提案会有没有意见 |
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這個黨政軍退出媒體條款的修法我們事實上在今年一月初的時候我們是先修了衛星廣播電視法那麼之所以為什麼要修衛星廣播電視法然後我們整體去檢討黨政軍退出媒體條款的 |
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適當性主要是因為原來的法案裡面基本上有諸多不合理的一個規定包含譬如說裁罰對象錯誤他不是處罰投資人而是處罰是被投資人那再加上因為這個 |
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這個禁止直接跟間接都禁止政府政黨這個投資媒體尤其是在間接投資的部分其實相當程度的阻礙了產業的發展我們知道這個像中華電信它當然它是有政府的持股那還有就是有其他的這個媒體它可能 |
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在这个间接投资的部分往上追不晓得N层以上或许还可以看得到政府的四大基金的这个间接持股可是呢这样子的一个规定其实真的是造成整个产业界很难有一个正面的发展所以当时的想法就是认为党政军推出媒体条款已经实施了也将近20年了事实上这个问题应该要 |
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被检讨来透过修法来解决所以我们在卫星广播电视法的修法里面事实上也松绑了有关于这个间接投资也就是把间接投资定的更清楚那在原来是间接投资并没有定的很清楚那么对于就是未来处罚对象我们也做了调整好那课余给直接这个 |
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进阶的投资人那么事实上有更多的权力限制所以整体而言这个条文当时在讨论的时候朝野政党就是包含民众党民进党还有国民党这边的委员们都支持那么NCC事实上当时也提出了修法的这个建议方向上也都是支持的所以这个条文在微信广播电视法已经顺利的三读通过只是很遗憾 |
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卓榮泰到現在這個法律都還沒有公佈我要再強調卓榮泰到現在這個法律因為他不附屬所以總統沒有公佈這個真是完全就是違憲亂政的做法 |
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好那回到就是說我們現在講的這廣電三法其實他們在諸多的規定裡面都有它的標準應該是一致的規範應該是一致的所以我們既然已經修了衛星廣播電視法黨政局媒體條文的修法那想當然就是有些廣播電視法還有廣播電視法涉及到 |
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這個黨政軍退出媒體條文的規定也應該要做一致的處理一致的修正所以在這次的修法的條文內容基本上是跟衛星廣播電視法的裡面的規定是一致的並沒有什麼不同那當然只是因為這個業者的名稱不同做了一些修正所以本席在這裡是希望說我們其實在處理這個法案的時候就可以加速腳步因為這在衛星廣播電視法 |
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當時修法的時候都已經進行過非常詳細的討論好 以上好 謝謝翁小林委員其他委員要衝嗎沒有的話我們先請陳主委看針對條文或他的這個提案你們有什麼意見 |
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謝謝召委那確實剛剛溫委員所提的提案說明我們這邊是完全贊同所以我們這邊也認同說廣電商法的條款部分應該拉成一致那既然1月初滅廣法一定有三讀通過我們是建議就是以那個版本 |
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向他拉旗所以這是第一點第二點那因為很多人的提版本也是跟前面的電廣法差不多但時間後面比較晚提的版本是比較有可以去跟未廣法去對接的所以我們看這麼多版本裡頭大概是溫小林委員的版本是最接近未經廣播電視法當中條款的部分只是有些文字程度剛剛溫委員所講的這個主體的文字要 |
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做一些微調而已以上補充好謝謝主委那翁委員你對你的第10條有沒有文字要調整 |
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好這邊的話就是說因為事實上我在很早的時候我就提出黨內軍退出媒體條款的修法那麼所以在我第一版的這個提出的這個修法的當時我看一下我現在第10條應該是沒有要要做修正然後但是第58條才有第10條應該是ok的好所以 |
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我現在第十條的文字是可以嗎第十條的第二項的第一款我們建議有文字作為條就是原來問問人手提的版本是利該事業已發行股票總百分之一我們建議把事業刪除改成系統經營者 |
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好這邊尊重那一樣的邏輯照應照據在第五項的後段這邊合計不得欲該事業也是建議一樣的改法然後前面那個建議二親等血親之間加三個字以內之 |
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好然後第八項這個無表決權逗號主管機關建議主管機關前面加兩個字中央因為有的地方政府也有陸港法的一定角色那今天是可以請主委這邊先提出你們的修正文字動議好嗎我們直接在我們直接在螢幕上改好不好這樣子比較直接請示照我們有準備針對歐盟人的稍微修正版本可以啊給大家 |
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謝謝觀看,下次見 |
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好大家都拿到这个修正的版本哦那问是你要还有欧元来说明请欧元说明好了 |
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好那麼謝謝剛剛NCC就針對我的提案版本齊出了一些文字修正的建議那麼就這部分來說的話在第10條第二項裡面譬如說把這個 |
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政府其捐助成立之财团法人然后及其受托人等等文字把这个及改成或字在这部分我也我同意好这个可以然后超过然后接下来就是于该 |
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事業已發行股票總數1%這句話的用詞修改成為與該系統經營者已發行股份總數1%我認為這也是OK的 沒有問題那至於後面的標點符號的部分的話我想大家有看到手上的我就不再重複贅述了 |
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那第二款里面第二项第二款里面这个在就多增加一个合计在第二句我本来是写就是于该系统经营业者已发行股票总数1%那现在就是把这个前面多加两个字合计然后股票改成股份好那这部分我也同意那之后还是有 |
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標點符號的修正這沒有問題那到了第五項裡面同樣也是文字微調在第二句的部分就是其配偶二親等血親那這個NCC這裡建議要加上配偶二親等以內之血親好那這部分也沒有問題 |
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那在同样这一第五项的最后一句也是把事业更改成为系统经营者那这样就文字更清楚那第八项的部分我原来是写说是主管机关得令其献其处分 |
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並得令其對那這裡的話就是把主管機關修改成為中央主管機關並得令其處分然後藉其不處分那則是修改成為藉其不為處分其實都是文字上面做些微調這部分的話我也同意那第九款對不起第九項 |
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同样的也是将主管机关然后修改成为中央主管机关所以这个第九项的第二句是中央主管机关得令系统经营业者那多加两个字限期为下列 |
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行为好可以解除懂当然懂见识等等的那第二款的话那就是把货改成集字那同还有就是受托人委托人改成受托人解除政府政党其捐助之财团法人及其受托人对系统经营者之控制 |
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第二款的部分當時不是也是超也是參考那個衛星廣播電視法裡面的規定嗎剛講第九第九項第二款衛星廣播電視法原來的規定是是受託人是嗎喔好好好那就是OK好那就把委託人改成受託人好沒問題 |
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好所以針對NCC所提出的文字修正建議我是同意的好那針對有限廣播電視法第十條的部分剛剛討論的文字也都在螢幕上各位手上的文字的修正的版本各位有意見嗎沒有齁那行政部門有意見嗎沒有的話那我們就這樣處理囉我們這部分的話有限廣播電視法第十條我們就按照翁曉琳委員提案版本修正通過 |
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接下來處理這個有線廣播電視法第58條 |
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包含這個修正動議的部分我們一併來處理文字齁那事先請歐委員一樣先簡單說明一下謝謝好其實第58條是涉及到如果說違反黨政軍退出媒體條款的業者的處罰的規定喔那同樣的就是這個條文也是參考衛星廣播電視法的修法概念上幾乎都是一致的那只是說一個是叫衛星廣播電視業者在有些廣播電視法的話叫做系統 |
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經營業者那麼在我大家可以看到我其實有兩個提案因為我第一個提案最早最早的提案當時是認為說跟我不要處罰啦就是整個處罰規定拿掉那但是後來因為我們衛星廣播電視法的修法已經通過了所以呢我就參考衛星廣播電視法最新的這個 |
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處罰規定修法所以我又再提了一個58條的提案那只是說我在提案的原來的版本裡面有些文字其實是有多寫所以我又再提了修正動議那針對NCC所提出來的針對本案的文字修正動議我這裡都盡表贊同也就是說把原來的這個 |
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系统业者经营业者把它删掉然后呢还有就是多增加了各款两个字那么把货把籍我本来说是规定什么什么籍然后改成货字所以这个地方没有什么问题大家可以看他们所提出来的文字修正建议好大家可以看一下我们手上这种文件针对58条文字修正的部分改的也不多都是货大部分都是籍改成货啦 |
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那各位委员对于文字修正的部分有没有意见好没有行政部门没有意见好那我们现在直接处理有限广播电视法第58条我们就按照委员洪孟凯翁晓琳等四人所提修正同意修正通过好这样子有限广播电视法的今天处理完毕那接下来处理这个 |
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广播电视法我先看广播电视法第五条之一那提案委员是翁晓琳委员 |
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好 黃委員好 那其實就是我剛剛已經說了這廣電三法在很多的規定基本上應該是要規範一致的那在黨政軍退出媒體條款的修正同樣的廣播電視法也是參考了衛星廣播電視法黨政軍退出媒體條款的修正所以我在這裡也提出了 |
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這個修正案所以就整體內容來講是跟衛星廣播電視法的修法是一致的沒有什麼問題那麼只是說同樣的情況就是有一個版本是我很早的時候就提出了當時呢是建議就是廣播電視法44條要全刪那但是後來也看參考就是廣播電視法衛星廣播電視法44條的修正所以我又 |
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再提了一個新的版本那現在我們是討論廣播電視法第五條嘛那所以第五條的部分基本上就是參考原來衛廣法的修正來所提出的版本那在文字的部分的話ACC有提出修正建議嗎 |
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跟張偉跟文伟報告NC這邊有建議文字修正就是第五條之一的第五項跟先出五條之一五條之一的話就是第五項第五項有文字修正那請示張偉可以提供可以提供 謝謝 |
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歐委員也確認一下你所以第五條歐委員你第五條直接只有一個版本而已嗎只有一個版本所以就是按這個版本來提文字修正好大家看一下手上的文件對就修了就很簡單就把廣播電視刪掉然後另外有多增加事業所以第五條應該是沒問題好各位手上都有版本的文字給大家看一下各位有意見嗎 |
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行政部門沒意見喔沒有意見好那我們廣播電視法第五條之一就按照翁小玲委員提案的版本修正通過接下來處理第廣播電視法第44條之二那因為他這個翁委員有提修正動議對我們就以修正動議的版本來討論好了好 |
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因為我的修正動議當時也是就是有多多寫了幾個字所以呢後來就說整個就是比較未廣法的規定各位委員手上應該都有剛剛NCC提供的文字修正版本這個再翻剛剛那張翻過來就是44條之二的部分大家看一下文字修正那翁委員看翁委員有沒有補充意見 |
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我基本上應該是沒有因為這個部分好像是跟我的一樣吧 我看看對 第五 第六對 其實他們對現在就是把就等於說把處罰因為當時就把他合併在第二項 |
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對對是說我這邊的修正修正動議跟NCC所提出來的文字修正是一致的對所以呢基本上沒什麼問題好 |
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各位沒有意見對沒有意見喔是ACC沒有意見好那原則就依照我的修正動議版本好然後因為他們只有多增加了一兩個字而已好沒問題那我們這個廣播電視法第44條之二就按照洪木凱委員跟歐小麗委員等四人所提修正動議修正通過好謝謝好那我們處理完畢我們廣播電視法處理完畢那 |
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接下來要處理的是大法案我們這邊先休息五分鐘大家換場一下謝謝 |
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他就先這樣摸著鏡子如果他已經告知我一定會送人家相告知他駕駛別讓他出現一種變反他去撤或者是他吸引但是他已經有告知了我會先讓他拿著鏡子他就直接往那裡走我就把這條鏡子給他綠心靜靜的給他綠心靜靜的給他綠心靜靜的 |
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像是說 狀況的不斷增加 這些平均的 安靜的 變弱的 變弱的 變弱的對 地形降落 它就是我們講的地形 增進地形降落 |
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然後他那個...他也是第十一項啊,我是...我也是...我導師也在總管寫這樣的條文啊三斤道之...四斤道之...道之價值...道之價值...因為我的條文是...那你要解釋... |
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因為這間是一間人室 |
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超激的話就是用鋪子來鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章鋪章 |
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對,然後我在找我女兒,她就是我方式玩的電磁炸機的女兒,嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯嗯 |
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香菇 |
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嗯嗯嗯 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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大坨太陽 |
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好谢谢我们现在继续开会那现在讨论的是道路交通管理处罚条例我想是针对独家的部分有非常多委员提案那么先介绍这个在场的官员处局官员第一位交通部部长陈世凯部长那再来是公共运输局监理司胡迪奇司长陆正道安司吴东霖司长法制处许洪达处长 |
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公路局林福山局長高工局陳文瑞局長運輸研究所王木恆副所長司法院行政訴訟與懲戒廳林靜超法官刑事廳黃湘瑩法官法務部謝志明參事調查局毒品防治處案件偵辦科李嘉寧科長 |
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內政部政務次長馬世元次長副政司潘迎中專委警政署廖迅成副署長交通組黃文哲組長衛福部食品藥物管理署監管組張興文副組長心理健康司許玉華科長 |
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洪家基专门委员哦对不起他身体后采烙抱歉这个国防部法律事务司军法事务处胡耀仁副处长好谢谢好那我们今天就开始来看这个盗交条例 |
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相关条文的审查这个非常多委员提案我们首先先大手帐到对照版本了那有些有些版本有院版的有院版的我们就以院版的来做对照那看各位我们补充硬件第一个我先来看第21条 |
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我們是先請江若牧先說明然後再看各位委員補充意見好不好好江若牧先說明21條謝謝各位委員大家好那針對21條的部分總共有八個委員一個黨團還有我們行政院的版本 |
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好對不起那總共有八個委員一個黨團跟行政院的一個提案版本那那我先說明一下院版的一個修正重點我們大概已經在第三修正第三項就是因為如果是因為獨駕或者是拒檢或者是確認在有吸食毒品的狀況的時候那還會遭吊銷駕照還還在吊銷駕照期間來來駕車的話我們已經 |
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院里面已经有通盘的考量各法条的一个横平性 |
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修正通過那另外有個是羅美玲委員的提告無照駕駛罰環的部分那因為這個已經在今年初已經修正通過了所以我們是建議不再修正那以上好謝謝那各位委員補充意見21條的部分大家看一下好陳慶隆總召 |
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好 謝謝主席那我想有關於獨家的道教條約修正案社會大家也都很關心那我們剛剛交通部所提出的建議是它的原版它的這個最主要還是在罰款嘛第21條的一個罰款的一個部分那我們也看到現在社會的現象 |
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種法應該是我們民意的一個趨勢也是我期待的那從過去的酒駕的經驗種法真的可以達到這個遏制酒駕的一個效果那獨駕更應該要種法就是社會共識那目前我們的願望呢 |
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是從原來的金額提高到三萬六嘛對不對 那本黨團團民眾黨的我們是直接加法提高到六萬那我想這一個部分剛剛這個牧師建議做起原版三萬六但是我們考量我們也觀察到我們的一個謎義我們 |
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也認為 獨家真的太危險了 而且滋潤於世 而且過去的一個獨家的比例 持續在上升當中如果 罰款過輕絕對牽涉嚇阻的作用反正 |
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就罰款三萬六角色 罰了就罰了那對他們的一個所謂犯罪成本相對過低那我覺得我們在這邊還是 |
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期待我們各位委員共同的討論我們應該要大幅度的調整相對應的一個罰款增加危險駕駛的這樣的一個違法的成本是不是各位委員也能夠來支持我們台灣民眾黨所提案的一個版本這個加重他的處罰的一個金額 |
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好谢谢陈青龙总召个人还要补充吗我们要先问一下总召那个你你们都要建议危险驾驶你们的金额跟你们如果如果这样讲如果我们用行政院的调次来来修的话你们有没有建议要放在哪个地方大家看一下大家讨论一下 |
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我們基本上我們的版本跟原版都一樣我們只是金額不一樣而已其他都一樣基本上所以你們是在那個修正綜藝啊我們有一個修正綜藝基本上就是金額而已啊 |
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我們已經有提修正綜藝抱歉麻煩主席班長官有提一個修正綜藝在第21條我們修正綜藝版本就跟我們院版都一樣只是在金額的一個部分的差異金額部分的差異 |
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報告召委總部委員報告這個部分其實獨駕的部分本來就有獨駕的罰則在35條我們這一條是獨駕之後用無照的加罰 |
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那是加罰的部分所以他獨駕有另外獨駕獨駕有另外獨駕也已經加重了那這個是加罰的部分是針對無照這件事針對無照這件事我們從一萬二調高到三萬六所以他是加罰的概念所以不是獨駕的那個他無照之後 |
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其實就我們俗來講反正他已經五照駕駛了他就繼續再用五照駕駛 一樣再渡假所以家法的部分反正他已經渡假然後罰了 然後 |
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吊銷駕照了他無照了他還在獨家還在違反這樣的一個條文這樣的一個危害的一個成本我們建議還要再給他光上萬又不夠上萬又不夠所以我們建議這個是害上加害他已經獨家了被處罰了被吊銷駕照了 |
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然後被吊銷交道了還在獨駕還在無照加法的程度我們建議是提高 |
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是這樣的一個修正中醫的一個緣由提高獨駕的一個法則二指獨駕這個是全民的一個共識那也是各單位大家一起努力來杜絕獨駕的這樣的一再發生造成 |
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社會的一個不安這個必須要還給交通安全秩序以及全民一個生命財產的一個基本的保障那在上次的質詢裡面我提起了幾個一個提醒幾個關鍵那我現在要再次提醒我們要落實防堵這種無照的駕駛 |
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現在其實有很多機制是讓獨照者是沒有駕照但是長期以來我們防堵這個無照駕駛還是有相當大的一個檢討的空間這個部分是要積極的作為等一下也請交通部再做一個基本的說明好謝謝崑哲委員那麼請交通部先說明先回應 |
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這個部分我跟召委還有這個各位委員做個報告因為第21條的部分一到五款的部分的話基本上就是這個無照駕駛就是未考臉或是被這個吊扣吊銷就是沒有駕駛到屋的一個這個權利而開車這個商務 |
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那在就是上次修法的時候那在這個無照駕駛的部分也特別這個就是重新做一個這個修訂把它分機車跟汽車那分別從一萬八到三萬六然後呢這個汽車的部分是這個三萬六到這一 |
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這一個6萬元然後當上次修法也把這個累犯第二次就都是以最高罰款來做一個處罰那第三次的一個部分的話再加這個定額上去所以上次修完法之後針對這個無照價值的部分就是這個罰款沒有上限 |
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那現在大家談的這一條的部分的話當時就是針對這個酒駕因為這個酒駕被吊銷駕照之後那你如果再上路的話還要再加這個加上去所以上次就是加這個一萬二那這一次院板針對這個獨駕的部分的話基本上針對這個就是機車跟汽車分別再加三萬六跟 |
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這個就是這個加一萬二跟這個三萬六的一個部分那現在就是說剛剛這個這個就是這邊所提到的一個部分的話大概就是三萬六跟十二萬大概是院版這邊的一個這個三倍啦但是我也跟各位報告說這一款 |
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的一個這個就是違反的規定大概分兩種這個情境如果說他還是獨駕或久駕在商務的話他另外就有35條這個更重的一個處罰然後這邊是一加再加再加到再加到這個第三層那如果說他這個就是說是沒有獨駕或這個這個就是久駕的一個部分單純就是無照這個價值部分那針對他曾經以往的違規紀錄這邊也 |
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按照這線型的條文的話已經再加三層再加三層上去了所以當時院版的一個部分大概就是考量這兩個就是說有兩種這個情境那一種有現在到35條部分那這次35條也大幅提高包括末路車輛這些相關的一個部分所以才針對這個就是說回過頭來這邊無照駕駛然後已經在就是說 |
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提高然後累犯再加然後針對這兩款行為再加已經加到第三層的一個部分所以才就是說訂出來一萬二跟三萬六的一個部分那基於考量橫貧的一個部分因為就是說平常黨黨這邊提出來的部分大概是院版的這個三倍到三點三倍的一個部分那這個緩緩的這一個橫貧性的部分是建議委員會這邊可以再做一個這個審酌 |
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好 |
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謝謝交通部公務局這邊的一個說明我們修這個第21條跟21條之一其實我們後續35條我們也一併一併都有做同時的修法我們修法的概念是一致的一致的就是針對原版的一個金額 |
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我們從民意的角度跟民眾的一個對酒駕獨駕的一個深痛的痛恨我剛剛已經有表達過從過去的一個酒駕的勢力重罰可以得到一個遏制的一個效果 |
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那我們台灣民眾黨當團我們討論的結果這樣的一個渡假不管他已經渡假所處分就像剛剛部長講的他是渡假之後被處分又被吊銷駕照又無照駕駛等等這個行為已經應該是我們一般民眾所 |
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無法忍受的所以我們主張的一個方向就是重重重嚴加重一個處罰那交通部這邊的態度就一直認為這樣的一個罰款就足夠那我們認為是不夠是不是在金額的一個部分交通部這邊能不能再表達一些看法或意見 |
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請教部 部長謝謝謝謝召委 謝謝委員從重從嚴 這個必然是我們想做的啦只是說那個橫平性的問題那不過這個結論我們尊重委員會這邊的結論 |
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從重從嚴也是我們現在的想法所以我們已經乘以3 已經3倍從1.2萬增加到3.6萬而且之後如果再犯就會累加上去沒有上限的一直累加上去那我們在顧慮的是橫平性的問題不過這個金額我們的目標一樣我們跟委員會的目標是一模一樣的就是從重從嚴這件事但是金額的部分我們尊重委員會這邊的決定 |
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好 董事長委員有號委員 抱歉謝謝 謝謝部長那因為剛才延續剛才總長所提到的就是因為金額包括他的那個罰的部分總是希望在民眾的期待以及包括現在社會大眾造成許多社會世界民眾的恐慌那所以金額的提升跟存額的部分希望也可以一事到位 |
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那當然說行政機關也有很明顯的考量但是那剛好立法單位剛好提出的這個建議也是也符合民眾的這個期待啊那所以說我們都試著一次到位往重新的方式來進行謝謝好各位委員要補充意見嗎沒有喔 |
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那我就那我就找好三萬六跟十二萬嗎第一次你那個上那個還是總總早總早就說明一下好不好那個什麼情況三萬六什麼情況下十二萬讓大家了解一下 |
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好 第21條這邊 那我們也請各位委員來看我們的修正東西版本那以外呢 我們把它加法到三萬六的一個部分那是七機車駕駛人 以35條第一項至第五項他已經調控或吊銷駕駛執照的 就是剛剛我們部長所談的 |
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然後他違反提交提款再提款我們按這樣的像是願版願版是加法一萬二我們是等於他的三倍三萬六是三萬六我們是已經提高到三萬六了 |
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那是第一階段那第二階段的第二階段的是違反三十五條第一項第二款拒絕接受該款稽查或測試檢定或違反同條第十一項吊銷駕駛執照期間在違反我們的第一項第一款到第五款的規定 |
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我們再加把院版是三萬六那我們把它加到十二萬它已經吊銷駕駛執照了還繼續在違反第一項第一款到第五款的一個規定好好 以上說明 謝謝 |
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我們等交通部討論一下修法的原則我們只是要讓他增加危險駕駛無照又危險駕駛的這樣的犯罪成本而已犯罪成本我們一直在強調要讓他的犯罪成本來提高來遏制渡假 |
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沒關係請將會議員請 |
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剛剛交通部是想說進行考量這個和平性最主要考量就是說大家如果按照這個就是這個這個21條的規定我就舉個例子啦比如說因為剛剛民眾黨團提案的一個部分的話第一個部分就是說現行對於酒駕這個調照這個 |
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駕照被吊銷之後在上路的話是在這個加法這一個一萬二那現在要提高到這個三萬六那我就跟我就用一個比較實際的案子譬如說這個機車駕駛人這個這個酒駕被吊銷駕駛執照之後在騎機車上路假設沒有其他的這個行為就是很單純這個無照這個上路的話那按照現前的規定至少一萬八那一萬八然後因為他的這個前科是酒駕被吊銷駕駛執照就變一萬八 |
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加三萬六 現金是一萬八加一萬二是三萬 如果說這一萬八加三萬六的話就是五萬四就是說你只要曾經是這個酒駕然後在這個無照商務的一個部分光騎機車那沒有牽扯到其他在酒駕的這樣的東西的話那划算至少是這一個 |
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5萬4以上那如果是這個汽車的一個這個部分的話汽車現行這個最少是3萬6那3萬6就是說有前科駕照被吊銷那再次上路這個被檢查到的話就是至少3萬6加12萬就是沒有牽扯到其他因為沒有牽扯到其他酒駕或這個獨駕的部分那三宿條那個是有跟蹤的一個處罰那當獨這個吊銷駕照在上路的話這個這個 |
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的代價就是這個三萬六加十二萬就是十五萬六但是現行針對這個獨家的部分是沒有特別加重的部分所以這次行政院這一個提出來針對獨家的部分就是加三萬六那所以這個就是說三萬六加三萬六就是七萬二這個是現在行政院的版本那如果按照民眾黨團的部分是三萬六加十二萬就是這一個十五萬六這是沒有違反 |
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再沒有違反其他的一個的一個部分只單純這個無照駕駛的部分就是這樣子的一個花花塔至少就是15萬6除了金額部分我再補充一下這一次我們的修法主要是把末入車輛加進來 |
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重要的是沒入車輛 這個可能會比前面的那個金額還要重看他的車輛的金額 我不曉得啦但是 這次我們修法的重點 除了金額增加之外沒入車輛應該是比較重的一個懲罰好 以上報告 |
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好 周偉來我們看一下其實台灣民眾黨這邊堅持的是我們雖然討論21條但是其實台灣民眾黨21條堅持的是違反35條第一項第二款那就要看35條35條違反第一項第二款其實已經罰如果我理解沒錯等一下請這個公路局這邊讓我知道一下他已經罰18萬啊 |
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35條是已經罰18萬而且拒絕第一項第二款稽查跟測試檢定者處27萬罰還所以我們現在要修法的狀況所以換言之如果說我們要嚇阻的是獨駕酒駕的話應該是回歸到獨駕酒駕的最核心的防治也就是第35條那 |
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更重這比現在我們所有人提出來的版本都重比台灣民眾黨現在建設18萬還要重所以我想這也是我們表達一個態度就是拒絕獨駕酒駕零容忍就是告訴你18萬如果你拒策的話27萬 |
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讓你知道一次就真的很付出很重的一個代價那所以說是不是等一下這個行政機關再講一下說怎麼樣我們還防止這個我們現在所看到的獨家九家一個狀況那我這邊本席也提出來也是剛echo一下剛剛部長因為這也是我們過去到現在我們都一直強調的就你敢 |
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開超跑上路抱歉獨駕我扣你超跑你敢騎摩托車上路我扣你摩托車所以沒路該棄車棄機車沒路就指不歸還那後續的這個動作就是由我們相關單位來去做一個處理 |
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那甚至也有人提過說是不是能夠成立末路基金給受害者專款專用在譬如說被獨駕酒駕撞死撞傷的受害者還是給執勤的員警因為執勤員警其實在第一線執勤獨駕酒駕的是勤務非常的吃重而且其實又有一些設備需要再增加 |
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所以沒入該車輛那後續沒入車輛之後所得到的一些相關的一個這個變賣的金額這個後續要怎麼處理是不是也利用這次修法期間我們可以共同的來再提一下行政部門的意見好不好謝謝好謝謝孟凱委員交通部要先回應嗎 |
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剛剛這個洪浩仁催省的一個部分也確實就是說第一個部分的話這一次針對只要是獨駕跟這個酒駕的部分的話大概主要是針對這個獨駕的部分在三十五條這一次的修正都到乎這個提高包括這個就是落入直接落入車輛 |
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的一個部分所以如果說是防範酒駕毒駕他主要處罰的重點是在這個三處條的一個規定那這邊基本上就是單獨這個處理就是說這個無照駕駛或是吊扣駕照被處理的一個部分那我也跟各位報告就是說 |
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依照處罰條例會被吊銷駕照會有很多種這個情況但是在21條裡面大家現在討論的這一條已經特別針對就是說以前有酒駕或獨駕的前隔再加法等於說一直抵押上去 |
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針對他特別有的一個這個規定所以這一條所考量的一個這個部分就是說原來加法的部分最主要是在考量就是說你曾經有這樣子的一個這一個前科那你再違規上路的部分我要針對這個部分再特別給你這一個加法 |
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那這個加罰性就必須要跟這一條同條的這個無照駕駛的部分去做橫頻的一個考量那所以當時原來沒有針對這個獨駕駛針對酒駕的部分是加罰這一萬二那現在這次把獨駕這個加進來 |
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這個這個獨家的部分再加乏這一個三萬六那至於說民眾黨團這邊所提的部分的話是把這個原來一萬六九加一萬二加三倍到三萬六然後呢這個相對於行政院版本這個獨家三萬六的部分再增加這一個三點三倍到這一個十二萬那這個部分的話其實大家所考慮的部分只是針對他曾經有這樣子的勤科而這個加乏性的部分 |
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但是如果說提到這個獨駕上路很可惡這部分就會回到剛剛洪委員所提到的這個三速條這邊的一個這個東西來做處理那這個東西所以布里登才建議說大家針對無招駕駛在無規上路這部分真的要考慮到它滑緩的一個橫平性那另外一個部分剛剛這個洪委員所提到說那末路車輛 |
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這邊後面的一個處理那末路車輛的部分現行的處理大概有兩個部分第一個拍賣第二個就是說車輛如果說沒辦法使用的話大概就是這個銷毀那拍賣的部分的話大概就是地方政府就循著結繳地方政府的那個那如果說是像公路局拍賣的部分就是一規定就是這一個什麼結繳這個國庫來做處理 |
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那至於說像這個毒害就是說毒架或者是這個酒駕那相關的這個部分的話現行這個就是說被害人這個就是保護那個部分的話基本上是回到法務部那個被害人這個保護這個補償基金這邊來做一個處理那如果說當然後續這些相關車輛拍賣的部分是不是要移住到那個地方去的話我想這個是後續這個討論的一個課題那以上大概做一個補充 |
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好 謝謝局長好 陳慶隆委員好 在這邊我是充分表達我們台灣民眾黨黨團版本的一個從重從嚴的一個態度啦這個是加法的一個部分嘛它已經都酒駕過了 也獨駕了被吊銷駕照了 甚至啊 |
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這個拒絕這個稽查等等這樣的一個行為我們一一加法那我們態度就是加重那在這個過程當中也經過充分討論那如果我們交通部認為你們的版本這個加法考量到很平行 |
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可能在我們整個包括民心這邊我們台灣民眾黨、黨團我這裡也可以表達我們也尊重新政院的一個版本我們這邊也不堅持但是我們的態度我一直在這裡強調這個加嚴加重是我們版本的一個修法的一個態度好 謝謝陳金龍總召現在請盧敏哲委員 |
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好 謝謝主席其實今天主要大家要這個防治壓這個去針對於渡假酒駕的一個問題當然這整個法律面來講的話事實上是一個全方面的一個防衛包括在我們行政法的盜交條例那盜交條例顯然來講整體的一個防衛線除了現在討論的21條 |
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該怎麼樣去處罰再加上待會35條要怎麼去罰再加上在垂直的一個刑法公共危險罪這個也要去做一個做整個整體的一個處罰啦所以我是覺得在整個法理方面今天我們那個司法單位有到啦整個法理我們修法我們是要往 |
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更嚴而且讓人家怕但是整個房間該怎麼樣去做這中間在我們還沒有審到的法律會不會有重複的不必要的語言在裡面我覺得這個東西還是要全面看一下那我是建議主席稍微休息五分鐘大家協調一下我覺得這個金額的部分可以做一個這個行政院版本在 |
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再增加一點那表達我們對這個事情的因為很多委員都希望能夠再稍微重一點是不是能夠協調一下好那我們就休息五分鐘好大家文字上溝通一下 謝謝 |
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他之前因為獨駕酒駕被扣掉了這個他沒有駕照 |
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這一條是針對已經被扣完照了如果你在行程跟毒跟酒已經無關了就我這次正常駕駛但是無照但是你是因為這個原因它無照有很多原因毒駕酒駕被扣是其中一個原因但是它現在21條處理的是無照駕駛所以說不管它之前是什麼原因可是你這樣子的話會變成是會 |
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你三次的调好 |
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而且局長那35條獨駕九駕是獨購嗎因為你第二款都是強調第二款就是獨駕的對因為沒有脫鉤還是會有一些狀況35 |
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響鐘 |
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好謝謝我們繼續開會吼那針對道教堂的第21條我們剛剛大家溝通完了吼那我想這個文字部分我們就按照行政院版本通過行政院跟所有委員版本再修正通過行政院抱歉謝謝孟凱偉的執政吼我們就按照行政院跟各委員的版本再修正通過好接下來處理21-1條 |
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21條之一這主要是針對大型車的部分那我們這次的修正已經從那個第三項就是也是針對因為被吊銷駕照以後再加罰的部分那我們是加罰8萬然後也這是大型車的部分也有沒入車輛所以我們是建議也是一樣比較橫平性的部分建議AE院版的金額來做處理以上 |
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好謝謝看看高爾元那個陳慶榮委員的這個台灣民眾黨團的再修正東西修正東西有沒有邊路討論好那看看陳慶榮委員這邊有沒有要補充 |
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好 那我們剛剛的一個第二十一條跟二十一條之一其實我們都是加法的部分那考量剛剛我們交通部還有公務局的一個說明也考量很平行那這邊我們也尊重我們原版的一個部分 |
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我們原來加法八萬嘛那我們的版本是二十萬那如果我們原版這邊也是八萬我們也表示尊重就讓二十一條跟二十一條之一啊能夠來一致這個 這個我們同意好 謝謝陳進隆總召各位要表達意見嗎 |
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好如果沒有的話那我想因為21條跟21條21條跟21條之一主要都是處理針對這個無照駕駛這個部分那針對酒駕本身的那個部分我們待會三十五條來嚴肅的處理好那這樣21條之一各位如果沒有意見的話那我們就按照這個行政院及各位提案的版本這個修正通過羅秉哲委員請說 |
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想請教一下交通部這個針對針對這樣21-1條當主要是大型的車輛一般來講這都屬於職業駕駛比較轎居多了因為職業駕駛在過去我們在處理類似的問題常常碰到他的車根本不是他的有蠻高的比例車不是駕駛本人的他開著公司車出去但因為現在我不知道你們有沒有思考過這個問題 |
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因為現在不管是電子也很好那個放在身上這個也沒人知道那像這樣的的話在扣車的你們會不會面臨什麼樣一個問題就是說簡單來說那個 |
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業主他譬如說貨車好了他公共貨車有50輛他請到了駕駛他可能在他出車之前也都做了讀測然後也測過了他駕出去那在車上因為方便性他直接吸了電子菸或者說安非他命這個不能說真的因為有一些你們在事務上確定老闆他的責任那一台車可能上千萬那未來會不會有問題我只是提醒一下 |
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好請交換部回應我說明一下因為不管是21條或21條之一其實第9項的部分都有提到就是汽車所有人以善盡查證駕駛人駕駛執照資格之注意或重加以相當之注意而仍 |
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不免發生違規者汽車所有人不受本條之處罰所以其實已經有考慮到不管是你用租賃車或者是用非自己車已經有善盡管理責任的部分就有免罰好謝謝那我們進入第35條 |
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針對第35條的部分計有35條的部分總共有28個委員一個黨團的提案我們大概先重整了一個院版的 |
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條文跟委員的提案我們做了建議那至於金額的部分等一下可以再做討論那我們先就建議的部分做說明那我們大概是有修正第一項將那個就是將原來的酒駕獨駕行為採相同處罰的規定那加重獨駕的部分出犯就吊銷駕照那再來就是修正第三項第二次獨駕 |
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累犯按最高額加罰九萬那後續當然也有累計罰還無上限的部分再來就是修正第四項第五項提高拒檢罰還為二十七萬元那第二次獨駕拒檢累犯的話就四十五萬元那後續會按前一次再加罰十八萬元那另外就是修正第六項將軍人施用的海陸空軍刑法規定也納入 |
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那再來是修正第八項的部分是增訂同車乘客共同的責任那修正第九項是針對獨駕及拒檢抹入車輛增訂第十一項吸毒者預防性吊銷駕照那另外十二項的部分有參考洪孟凱委員 徐巧欣委員 羅廷維委員提案 |
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那個獨駕行為人如果因為獨駕受到吊銷駕照不得再重新考慮明知道已經喪失資格那又租另駕駛非本人所有的那個汽機車再犯獨駕的話那加重二分之一那大概是就融入各位委員相關的一個建議我們做了以上的一個處理 |
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剛剛那個魯明哲委員提的那個問題交通部的回答是說那第21項你知道第21條最後面有加那個如果計車所有人以善盡查證駕駛人駕照但你21條講的是無照駕駛 |
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那我們先主要其實是講獨駕的部分那輪走人大概意思是說有些人可能是可能是無辜你有你被你錯殺了大概是不是這個意思嗎但你21條只有規範到無照駕駛的部分嗎其實35條 |
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也會面臨會不會有有不幸錯殺的這個問題啦比如說我是助輪公司啊你給我車子租他結果你給我在車上吸毒被抓到那麼公司的財產被你沒收或者是我也曾經有曾經過啊他全家靠一部小貨車在做生意啊 |
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好生意把老伯車塞水車上吸毒全家唯一的謀生工具也被沒收所以如果我們要關切到魯敏祖委員提到這種狀況的話其實應該大概三十五條也要有規範 |
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你現在剛講21條是如果無照駕駛那你來借我的車那我有善盡我的責任我告訴你沒有駕照不能開車那你不能處罰車主但是我們現在要關鍵的是第35條這個狀況是不太一樣也有那個汽車保養廠 |
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你車子去修理他公司借你一台代步車你在上面吸毒被抓到代步車也被沒收 |
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我們現在要注意的就是當我們在嚴格懲罰獨駕的時候我們大概用最高最高最高的標準的就把你車輛沒了沒路了但是你有一些有一些可能會錯殺到無辜的狀況我要保留一點彈性那這個應該在35條部分來處理了不是你剛回答的第21條 |
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好謝謝主席好謝謝召委的提醒那個這樣不知道回應嗎好是跟委員報告一下因為行政法法的第22條就有針對是那個行政法法第22條裡面就可以適用就是說如果是有善盡一樣就是有善盡管理責任的時候大概就會就就有排除的規定所以也有提到說像用租賃車就是委員其實一直都有關係一樣像使用租賃車 |
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業者沒有辦法規範到租車人的部分那其實用行政法法都可以做排除那以上我覺得你第21條既然你最後面你說行政法法可以排除那你21條你最後面就特別寫清楚嘛就你現在說人有善盡你的告知義務嘛那同樣你35條也可以那你21條為什麼要多這一段對不對 |
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你不能全部都推你如果新增22條可以排除那你你到家第21條最後你為什麼還擺這個切剩所有人的善金衣服如果有善金衣服的話可以免罰嘛我認為35條應該也要也要也要寫的類似跟21條一樣清楚啦 |
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來謝謝主席我部分認同剛剛我們幾位委員所提出來的部分為什麼因為其實確實這就是一個現實的狀況我們還是強調我們要把租賃業者也好或說這些提供代步車業者他們都是我們一起要要求駕駛人奉公守法的一環 |
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那所以說我們要給他們責任就讓他們也協助宣傳就是你不能租車也好或是借車也好不能獨駕酒駕那你就一定要去告知但如果說他告知了我明明已經千叮嚀萬叫但也不行那你汽車駕駛者還是開去做這個相關的違法尤其是獨駕的話那很抱歉我就加重你二分之一嘛 |
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我加重你二分之一但是對於汽車所有人來講的話也不能錯殺這我想因為很多委員可能也都類似的一個陳情所以是不是建議是說如果這樣的話比照21條跟21條之一再35條的最後也加入相關的文字來更明確那其實我覺得這個文字是一個部分因為它是母法但更重要的是我們要怎麼樣要求 |
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租賃車業者代步車業者善盡告知責任所以我們要給他們什麼樣的一個範本合約範本或是說這個警呂或是說告知他一定要做到什麼事項我覺得這個是由我們後續行政機關可以來去做一個規範的就我們行政機關用更加強的一個手段來去規範說租賃車業者你甚至一定要求這個租車人簽名竊結 |
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還是什麼部分這個內容就是要由我們行政機關來提供好不好那另外拉回來我們35條我覺得就直接看這個再修正版本因為這已經有整合了但是其中連坐法的部分你們是把它拿掉但我會很堅持還是要有連坐就是說同車駕駛如果說他是獨駕駕駛因為我們現在在現場也有我們警政署的長官嘛 |
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警政署都已經告知我們了獨駕跟酒駕最大的不同是獨駕很有可能是邊西邊開也因此同車駕駛你跟我講說我不知道他獨駕恭喜齋很難說得過去那還有為什麼獨駕會譬如說三個人四個人推派這一個人來去開車很大的一個原因是其他三個西更多 |
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所以他會推一個最相對清醒的來開車但實際上如果說他也獨駕的話那其他同車的你沒有制止你還上車你還跟他一起開車你還跟他一起坐車抱歉連坐相關要有罰還跟刑事責任跟民事責任就是刑事責任跟罰還 |
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那但是因為現在道家條例35條只有討論到罰緩的部分所以我們就針對罰緩那本席的版本是有把連車就是連坐法就同車的駕駛的話 |
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本期的版本是有要求是要加入這個相關的一個罰則那但是未滿譬如說滿70歲以上或是這個相關年紀的他可以免於處罰就是說他無行為能力可以免於處罰但其他的部分是需要有那我想這也是參照這個國外 |
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不管是日本或說韓國等相關國家都有相關的一個連作法的一個規定所以等一下是不是也針對這個部分能夠在納入做討論以上謝謝好謝謝木蓋委員那我請江峰委員回應剛剛郡縣召委跟木蓋委員的提問好 |
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報告召委 報告委員 剛剛針對軍警委員所提的在21條跟21條條文裡面都有一個上加要進到查證那我跟各位報告一下 就是說 |
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在處罰條例裡面確實有些條文會有這樣子的一個科給這個要去查證這些相關的部分但是各位看這些相關條文的部分大概有兩個重點第一個部分像駕駛執照這個是可以事先查證的部分在21條跟21條11就有要求這樣子的一個動作 |
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那其他的部分其他的條文只要是屬於併罰汽車所有人的部分的話那像剛剛講的一些獨駕後燈的部分的話他是沒辦法事先這個查證那個只能只能善盡這個管理的那個部分那那個部分的話就回到這個行政法法第7條跟第22條基本的一個這個適用所以大家看到如果說是屬於事先可以查證的部分大概只有21條跟這個就是 |
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這個21條之一有這樣子的部分那其他的部分都回到這個行政法法這個通案的一個規定那至於說現在回到行政法法通案的規定的話大家剛剛所提到租用業者跟所謂汽車這一個運輸業的部分那租用業者的部分我們就是輔導在那個租用的定型化契約裡面 |
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就是要規定你不能酒駕你不能怎樣子這個等等部分因為確實他來租車的時候在簽訂契約他必須要這個告訴他他大概也只能做到這樣子的一個程度那對於汽車運輸業者所顧的人的一個部分像酒駕出門前就是要做這個酒測你平常的這個 |
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員工這個大陸交通安全教育就要去教育這些相關的部分那這些東西在公司都有這個存檔所以現行只要就是說有這些相關案例的話那公司提出這個所謂三件管理的一個部分的話大概就是適用行政法第7條跟這一個22條這個免法的規定所以現行的機制都已經有了那另外剛剛洪委員所提到那個併法的部分其實這個院版的部分也有這個併法同車這一個 |
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就是說有增訂一個部分已經有變法這個六千到這個一萬五的部分那排除這個七十歲心智障礙就是這個相關的部分跟委員的這個條文這個是相同以上做一個補充好謝謝局長我們現在請內政部警政署補充意見 |
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主席 還有各位委員 警察署這邊針對35條有增訂第11項就是經警察施用毒品這個11項的部分是施用毒品者吊銷駕照這是屬於獨駕零容忍的預防性的一個措施我們警察署也竟表支持不過這個條文的內容裡面文字裡面是以確認主體警察機關為限 |
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那憲兵調查海巡等機關查獲的私用毒品案件恐怕會有遺漏無從吊銷的情形所以我們建議這個條文的文字是把警察機關修正為司法警察機關這是警政署的一個意見提供給委員會來參考謝謝 |
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就去司法警察啦司法警察機關嘛對 加司法警察機關確認後面交通部好像說還要再加一個舉發就是司法警察機關確認舉發後這樣能夠阻止其他的一個企圖機關移落的部分幫我反紅 好不好讓大家看一下好 林俊憲召委 |
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這一點待會也請交通部表達一下意見因為這個主要是本來這種道教條例主管執行機關是交通部現在警政署這個意見把警察改為司法警察 |
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因為我們一般來講查緝毒品毒價就外觀來看如果他開車危險駕駛或者是看到車輛搖晃這時候如果把他放官為司法檢查那就包含憲兵海巡或者像調查局調查員都可以就都可以把他攔檢的時候來質詢他有沒有毒價 |
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那如果你只把它限定為警察會不會妨礙到未來的執法進行這個也請我們相關部會待會表達一下意見來 |
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跟委員報告其實這個部分在行政院開會的時候就已經討論過了那主要是因為我們會寫警察機關的部分主要是因為處罰條例第7條的那個主體就是由警察機關要負責舉發 |
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所以當初在開會的時候大概就是請警察機關要去彙整其他的司法警察的一個體系來做藉階的動作然後藉階以後再由警察機關因為我們整個處罰條例的一個體系都應該要先經過舉發舉發以後然後經過才送到處罰機關來做裁處 |
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那個後面才會有整個執行的一個動作那再來就是說這個是一個程序上必須讓民應該說確保因為舉發這個動作大概就是要確保我們做合法的一個裁處然後再來就是說也要保障那個後續的一個救濟程序所以這整個整個除除那個道交條例的一個體系大概就是一定要有這樣的一個程序就是要有舉發 |
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要然後採取然後後續的救濟大概是整個程序都是有這樣子那但是因為第七條的部分大概就是警察機關才能做舉發的動作所以當初院裡面的協調的結果就是由警察機關來借接其他司法警察機關就包括憲兵包括海巡可能包括檢調單位的一個資料 |
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然後統一借接到警察機關之後由警察機關開立處分舉發單以後然後交給處罰機關來做後續的一個裁處所以並沒有漏掉其他司法警察機關的部分主要是基於實務的一個運作來做處理 |
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那至於說如果有擔心的話其實院裡面也有提到相關的程序我們可以在相關的執法裡面做處理那如果有需要的話院裡面也會協調各機關來提供資料借接的部分那據我們了解其實警政署在7月8號也開過會大概就借接的部分也大概沒有技術上的一個摯愛所以針對這幾個部分的話我們還是建議要依照院版的部分來做處理那以上 |
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我們請副署長好 謝謝剛剛召委提到第一個道家條例它本來規範的獨駕都是在道路上的一個違法的違規行為所以這個由警察機關來舉發那現在這一條增訂這一個11項它已經是擴大到私用獨賓者 |
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要預先做這個駕照管理的一個措施也就是說只要確認私用毒品者的話他的駕照要先跟他做一個吊銷的一個管理措施所以這個私用毒品者他就不見得是在道路上面他就是說各司法警察機關都可能查獲私用毒品者 |
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那如果這一個條文是要強化獨駕零容忍的一個管理措施只要你是用毒品我就不讓你有駕照上路的機會如果是這樣子的話那其他的司法警察機關跟緝毒機關更不能漏掉要不然會變成只有警察機關查到的這個私用毒品者 |
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那有這個吊銷駕照那其他的司法警察機關就好像是漏掉所以我們是建議這個條文裡面為了遺漏所以是加一個司法警察機關那至於所有的司法警察機關查獲這一個私用毒品者 |
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後面怎麼樣跟中部的一個主管機關做這個吊銷執照的一個借接或者是相關的一個機制那這個我們覺得可以再請再召集其他的六大執法機關企圖機關大家再協調這個機制執行的方面以上 |
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來 局縣召委謝謝交通部案警政署的說明就是說我們現在道教條例把它修得非常嚴格你只要吸毒我就不給你開車不管你有沒有開車你只要吸毒我就沒收你的駕照現在是這樣子所以可能查獲吸毒者就包含所有的司法警察他都有這個權利憲兵的海巡他們司法警察都有權利去抓吸毒的人 |
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不管他有沒有當時有沒有在開車啦那只是你現在怎麼借街啦就是說我抓到了那比如說你憲兵抓到了那你通報監理單位來註銷他的駕照副市長你講的意思是這樣子嗎 |
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這個借接的方式其實都可以因為跟周圍報告所有的查獲的企圖機關他最後要確認他是不是使用毒品一定要把他的尿液送驗所以尿液的一個報告一定會有一個尿液的報告的管理系統 |
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那這一個尿液報告的管理系統是不是能夠跟交通部的一個駕照的一個管理單位在他資料上做一個借接然後由他來做駕照的一個撤銷的一個動作這個其實這是屬於技術層面的問題我覺得這個可以來考慮看看我意思是說你要有能夠借接 |
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那這樣你不才會通是啊你只要吃凍的他才會知道把他的駕照給註銷嘛對那這個其他的企圖系統司法警察機關他要直接借接或是透過警政署這邊的系統再來借接我覺得這個是技術上大家可以討論那這個需要再修道交稿嗎所以第一個先修這個司法警察機關不要漏掉 |
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那剛剛那個軍方部的意見是後面如果怕這個有這個舉發的動作透過有警察機關這邊來舉發我覺得這個是這個技術上的問題啦那技術上的問題我覺得這個會後再協調相關的機關再召會來討論都可以 |
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不是啦 我們現在就在學法裡面會喔你如果是界界問題技術面你們要跨部會去協調那是你們司法單位的事情那現在就是母法訂定需要把警察擴大為司法警察對 如果母法就直接擴大為司法警察那這樣子就後面的大概就是機關協調的問題 |
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至少不要去漏掉這些其他的企圖機關你講很清楚了那主席那代表也請公總表達一下我先讓法務部表達一下好不好我先讓法務部協參表達一下 |
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主席 各位委員 以及各位與會的先進那法務部這邊來表示意見針對有關私用毒品然後要吊銷執照的部分我們想可能先界定一下它的性質因為在交通部的規劃裡面我們在行政院討論到這個吊銷執照它是一種行政法的性質那我們道歉合理所有的行政法的程序都是由警察機關先予舉發然後再經過監理機關再處理後續的吊銷執照的部分 |
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這個構造在照料理事一致的所以在這個設計裡面如果獨獨把它分散式那是不是會旁邊容易有遺漏這是第一要考量的那第二個其實是其實在這個問題到底要由誰來確認其實在行政院召開很多次的會議那行政院也當然這個問題當然是見仁見智但是最後選擇的政策方向是與其有這麼多的司法檢查機關因為真的很多跟獨立有關的機關真的很多 |
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分散式的去處理不如有一個機關然後再藉由系統統合的方式由它來整的所有的資訊那這時候發現所有的毒品案件絕大多數其實是集中在警政署裡頭至於說其他的海巡或是其他司法檢查機關其實都很少 |
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那剛剛有提到本部的調查局的部分本部調查局處理毒品案件事實上如果遇到私用毒品其實是不會自己辦移送的因為他們只會移送販毒或是製造這種比較大型的所以說私用毒品都會跟地方分局合作由分局這邊來做移送的動作所以反而都是在警政處的掌握 |
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所以這邊是不是與其過於分散是不是就盡量的集中而且回到原來的道教台立本來的財閥的程序設計的大原則之中至於說我想行政署這邊確實也會比較辛苦不過行政院這邊應該已經有安排相關的借接相關的部會應該也都會鼎力支持相關資訊的流通 |
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那是不是我這邊還是建議是不是可能請依照院版來通過以上好謝謝法務部我們現在請公路局 |
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跟趙偉還有各位委員報告 確實就是說陳武剛剛這個法務部稱職所報告的部分就是說因為現行的條文是經這個就是有這樣子的部分的話是吊銷這個駕駛執照所以是一個行政處罰就是跟其他的交通違規一樣一定要經過這個舉發裁決後面才會有這個處分的產生才能夠做 |
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這一個執行那剛剛這個軍隊委員剛剛有提到一個這一個文字叫這個註銷如果是註銷的部分大家可以看到這個處罰條例第92條之二如果說是因為我接接人家的資料然後你的體格有問題的話我會請他再去做檢查如果說他不去做檢查或是檢查不合格的話我就會公告註銷那個東西就不需要經過裁決這些相關的部分所以吊銷跟註銷這個基本上是這一個不太一樣的 |
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那回過頭來就是說原來在院裡面這個就是說這個討論的一個這個部分的話也確實就是說可能有包括司法機關大家會去查這些相關的一個這個部分但是最後就是說這些案子基本上回到處罰條例的話一定要有人舉發那只要一舉發的話其實就沒有資料接接的問題就是到處罰機關就沒有資料接接的問題就是入案 |
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入案的話那這個各處罰機關包括六都包括公務局就是按照現行的這個程序來做一個處理那至於說前面大概所牽涉到的一個部分就是實務上這些司法就是包括這個檢調或者是海巡署或是憲兵這些相關的一個部分 |
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那這個資料完之後呃就是我們剛剛講的一部分大概跟這個在地的這個警察大概都有這個合作啊那這個這基本上大概就是一個資料這一個移送會整完之後然後呢啊只要能夠這個呃就是說所以當時這個在院裡面考慮就是說那就有警察機關統一來取發取發 |
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這個自然而然就會入案入案這個後面的處罰機關就可以接續去辦理裁決吊銷駕駛執照然後叫他來送繳這個駕駛執照如果不來的話那超過期限這個監禮機關就會公告直接這個註銷 |
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所以大家討論的這個部分如果說這個前面可給這個司法機關的如果按照前面加一個司法這兩個字的話就會牽涉到現行處罰條例第七條的部分第七條是講說交通勤務警察跟依法令執行這個稽查任務的部分那如果說把司法兩個字加進來的話變成第七條要重新去擴張 |
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原來這個不開單的人現在都可以開單這個部分我想這個部分的話你現在沒有去修第七條能不能做這樣子的擴張的部分的話可能大家要那個啊所以當時在院裡面大概有考慮到這樣子的一個這個部分讓這個前頭只是一個資料匯整接接的一個部分但是這個讓原來這個依法令可以這個執行開單的一個部分來做執行那當然 |
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後面這些相關實務作業的一個部分如果說需要綠定行政程序的部分在相關執法大家就可以把這些比如說綠定相關的這個施法條項都要送給轄管的這個分許或等等我想這個在執法上面應該都可以來做一個考量以上大概做一個補充 |
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好謝謝公務局好我們先副署長請副署長先好這邊警察署這邊再說明一下齁就是剛剛法務部陳儒剛剛法務部講的沒有錯在行政院討論的時候大概現在大概幾乎百分之九成的私用毒品案件都是警察機關查獲 |
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可是不能因為說因為90%的毒品案件大概我們都可以涵蓋在這裡面的然後就lose掉那10%的案件那至於剛剛提到說調查局或者其他的司法警察機關他們查獲毒品案件是不是會把私用毒品案件都移給我們的警察機關今天刑事局的毒氣中心有來等一下再請刑事局的毒氣中心 |
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說明一下目前各司法警察機關是不是都會這樣子來做一個處理那另外第二個部分就是其實我們之前開會會討論過就是說其實資料借接是最快的方式那你在透過舉發的一個程序事實上它是經過的時間如果我們今天是獨駕零容忍的這個絕對獨駕零容忍的一個措施我們當然是希望適用毒品之後 |
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在最短的時間之內能夠撤銷他的駕照讓他沒有上路的機會所以如果能夠用資料庫的一個資料借接的方式其實就省掉了舉發這一道程序那會節省了一些時間那這個是我們警政署主張的加入司法警察的一個理由以上 |
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好謝謝副署長我們先請洪孟凱委員孟凱委員之後魯敏哲委員好這看起來交通部跟內政部對要喬一下就但這照理講應該是行政院內就要處理完事情怎麼變成是要公清要來立法院當公清了但我說實在話比較持平的來講 |
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即便加入司法兩個字就警察機關變司法警察機關90%都還是我們警政警察單位的事務啦所以不會因為這樣子加入司法警察司法兩個字然後就變成是說我們警察同仁做的事情比較少啦 |
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這很持平的講那只是說是不是能夠把他給納進來變成是憲兵海巡等相關其實回歸到本身就是說我們這一條的原則跟核心價值還是說我們就是要告訴所有人你不要吸毒 |
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不要吸毒那如果說你吸毒的話很抱歉中華民國我們的法令就是讓你不能開車其實這就是核心嘛那我們怎麼樣擴大這樣子的一個範圍去管理到說就是讓大家你真的跟你講了一百次一千次一萬次不要吸毒你還吸了那抱歉你的某種權利開車的權利我們就要把你給收回就是這麼簡單 |
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所以如果說要我講不牽扯到剛剛公路局長這邊有講就是說第七條會不會因為這樣子而擴大變成以後海巡線兵也可以開交通罰單當然我們不能簽一法斷全身所以如果說不影響第七條的這個資格來講的話我是支持在這邊加入司法警察兩個字因為加入不會讓原本警察同仁的工作變少 |
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該做的還是做警察還是每天晚上去做臨檢做這個燃氣所以你要辛苦還是辛苦但是我們可以更增加這個打擊網不過本席這邊再提一下不好意思我有點跳可是這一個我剛看了很久我覺得還是要提出來 |
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我們根本的用意是在35條裡面就是告訴大家是說獨駕零容忍如果說你獨駕的話我要沒入你車輛這是這次的修法精神當然我們看一下第21頁一開始你只有寫到第二款的情形吊銷其駕照 |
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你沒有把末路車輛放進來一開始然後呢你在哪裡放進末路車輛你跑到了第24頁也就是兩張大張的紙的條文那麼多條文之後到了第24頁的中間才說違反第一項第二款或拒絕該款稽查或測驗檢定者末路該車輛 |
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那這樣會有點弔詭就是說其實照理講我們修法這次修法很大的一個宣示重點就是告訴大家獨駕零容忍你敢獨駕上路我就把你的獨駕的車輛給沒路那如果說是這樣的精神的話是不是應該要把違反第一項第二款或拒絕該測試檢定沒路車輛就直接放到一開始21頁的時候我們講到這一個部分 |
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第二款的情形吊銷駕照然後等等部分我覺得這樣子會第一是這個整條法令這樣看下來不然的話我 |
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坦白說我剛剛很嚴謹的看了35條我覺得35條當然因為經歷過好多次修法所以它已經有點像拼裝車的感覺這個我不會演講因為每一次修法然後就加一點這個加一點那個加一點然後連作法我們也把它放進來所以剛剛一開始的時候我還真的眼著了我沒有看到連作法其實已經在裡面了那當然感謝因為這個就是我們共同的提案就是核心版本但是我們不要說這一整條裡面漏漏的然後就到最後我們真的要 |
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呼籲跟提醒的重點沒有把它給放進來也因此本期還是強調說如果可以的話應該去再一次統整這個核心精神那末路車輛你現在放在第24頁其實會有點奇怪因為中間你又加入了這個入海空刑罰等等的部分然後又加入了這個拒絕檢定的部分那但是開宗明義35條就是我拒絕獨駕酒駕嘛 |
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所以說我建議是把後面這個拿來到前面就說你前面講說吊銷駕照但後面講說獨駕要沒入車輛那照理講應該是就是一起把它放進來好以上再請我們相關幕僚單位可能是不是可以協助做更改或是有什麼樣意見來表達好謝謝好謝謝孟凱現在請魯明哲委員魯明哲委員接著請陳慶紅總召 |
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好 謝謝主席 再請教交通部 包括警政署 包括我們司法單位因為確實剛剛孟愷偉人用一個很好的形容35條也不能怪交通部 因為修這麼多次確實道交條例這條有修兩年拼裝車 |
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因為你所有的三十五條的一個條文主要的精神都在規範有一個人連續做兩件事第一個不管是酒駕了喝酒或者吸毒這是第一件事就以毒價來講他吸毒了這第一個行為加上開車了 |
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所以我們所有條文都在規範這兩個行為突然跳到這一條剛剛警隊主委講這一條這一條突然你知道嗎跟什麼都沒有關係突然就等於說他不用開車你們這一條我還是有解讀錯誤了就突然這一條情境不是規範這兩個行為就是例如 |
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也必須駕車所有現在 不然如果這兩個行為在第一項就已經規範要吊銷駕照啦就已經結束啦那你這邊是要吊銷什麼樣情形的駕照勒 |
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對不對 是糟糕了 是不是我不知道還有誤會比如說他不是在車上他沒有駕車的行為而是我們這個遠景同仁去KTV去一個飯店突然有查到有人吸毒在這種情境他沒有在道交條約第二個行為開車那你們沒有這個行為你放在這裡我理解是一種宣示是一種對於吸毒者 |
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我們嚴格處理這種宣誓肯定宣誓並沒有駕車行為放在道家橋這一條第一個適不適合那也引發了警政署他提出是對的我們在法令來講都擔心他不夠完整不夠嚴謹那已經這麼明顯漏掉百分之十二十的你如果他不提出來我也覺得警政署是不對所以他現在提出來了 |
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所以你在任何地方發現的這樣的的有吸毒的這樣的的適用者的話那你要做怎麼樣一個處理所以剛剛警政署說那要不要請其他司法機關你也會碰到要不然我們現在顯而易見的會漏洞我們把他補進來第二個你把這個放在這邊其實我很擔心你這種預防性的行為剛剛第一個他開汽車你就扣他汽車駕照對不對 |
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但是這一條你如果預防的話去機車甚至開船的駕照你都要弄掉你們確定考慮是這樣嗎不然預防什麼你是預防 你是賭他他自己開機車嗎你是賭他未來騎機車嗎這一條你們要做的話如果真的要做到你把他所有的執照全部要扣掉所有的 |
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我不知道開飛機要不要不是 這一條你用一個開放式的題目放在這裡它不用駕駛那我們在討論這麼多都是毒品加開車這兩個行為你突然跳了一條它只要單一行為它當然要其他司法單位進來所以放這裡適不適合還是其他部分要在 |
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其他公務危險最後其他去補強我真的不清楚你們三個單位在這邊必須把這些所有情境討論清楚還是符合這個之後在KTV或在餐廳發現有個人毒品他身上所有的駕照你都要扣掉怎麼會比開車還嚴重他比一個人吸毒又開車 |
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他後面的當然還有罰款啦不見得是比較嚴重但對於扣照這個行為這個處罰是比較嚴重的我提出我覺得修法嘛沒事把它修的不要後面有很多問題以上註明 |
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謝謝主席剛剛孟愷委員還有明哲委員所談的會很奇怪警察跟司法警察這樣的一個討論我們行政院院辦也提出來了 |
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沒有一個好好的自己在院內來討論好盡量拿到委員會在這裡公開討論你們的這個警察或司法警察要不要加擴大範圍或不用擴大範圍我想這個你們該委交通部這邊還有行政署這邊法務部這邊趕快要做一個決定那牽涉到我們最主要的35條 |
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台灣民眾黨在我們今天有提出修正動議修正動議我剛剛也跟主席也跟部長都討論過我們的修正動議最主要都是依據我們行政院的版本 |
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我們第一個差異就是我們一貫的主張就是我們的划款是假種第二個我在這邊要特別提出補充我們 |
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35條最主要是分別去提出酒駕跟渡駕酒駕我們要怎麼來處罰渡駕我們要怎麼來處罰但是我們長民眾黨的修正動議我們提出了新增的第二項 |
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就是你既獨駕又酒駕酒駕又獨駕那我們這邊提出這樣的一個修法最主要就是這樣的一個過程如果獨家酒或酒家獨 |
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然後讓這些行為人繼續善惡它造成社會更大的危險然後如果我們不再做一個修正的話我們不管是賭加酒或酒加賭依照行政法法第24條第一項 |
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當一個行為違反這樣兩個行為的時候只能從一眾來處分從一眾來處分那對我們現在酒駕又獨駕那我們也曾經在選舉的時候提出 |
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目前整個台灣已經有超過34例以上造成了一個傷害它就是毒價又加酒價還是酒價又加毒價所以我們台灣民眾黨在這樣的一個修正動議我們把毒加酒或酒加毒我們違反這樣的一個規定的我們給它加法新台幣30萬 |
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那金額我在這邊補充就我剛剛有談的我們的修正動議員就算跟院版一致我們只是在金額不同那這裡我們增加了獨家酒這樣的一個部分我們要加吧 |
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另外我們包括我們的連坐法包括我們的末路等等啦其實我們跟前進院版幾乎都一致啦幾乎都一致最重要的就是在這個金額的一個部分那獨家酒加法這個部分我們期待交通部能夠來支持啦因為它既讀 |
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既獨駕又酒駕那如果依據我們現在現行的行政法法真的沒辦法達到嚇阻的作用所以我們覺得在我們35條我們就把它名列了這也是我們應該除了剛剛部長講 |
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末路的部分是我們這次修法的重點毒加酒或酒加毒應該也是我們35條的一個修法的重點至於金額加法的金額我在這裡也表達可以再討論好謝謝好謝謝陳慶隆總召那行政機關要先回應嗎現在剛剛這些問題 |
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你們這樣去查到去那邊我沒有駕照我賺到了我沒駕照沒東西好送然後我可以接美術我明天可以去跑對不對我有駕照全部沒收掉我一定接我覺得你們要真的我支持這個方向但你真的要怎麼樣去做這樣才是真正法律上的功能真的我是覺得你們這樣你們 |
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好謝謝讀委員提醒你們誰要先好在剛剛委員所提的意見我大概做幾點這個簡要的說明第一個洪委員所提到就是說有關於那個車輛變貿路滋事藏在後面的一個項有沒有那這個部分的話我大概跟這個委員報告一下因為先前按照這個35條的一個部分的話前面第一項是講違反標準的一個處罰 |
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那後面的話才會又有一些拒絕這個稽查的一個處罰那所以這些相關那後面要漏的車輛車輛的部分的話包括違反這個包括違反標準也包括拒絕這個這個 |
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這一個機場的一個部分那在現行條文裡面前面就有這個並同這個吊扣這個汽車牌照的部分就是並處罰車輛的部分所以當時就是順著這樣子一個現行這個這個事項的一個這個安排所以 |
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放在這個地方啦那如果說要把這樣子的東西移到這一個就是第一項的話我跟委員報告也可以但是整個35條的條紋齁全部都要去動那35條條紋這個一動的話就必須要考慮到其他的條紋有援引到這一個35條的部分那個每一個款式都一動的話就會這個比如說我是比較建議就是說那這樣子調整的部分可能是要是未來處罰條例可能就是 |
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修比較全文修正或是比較多條文修正的時候再來做一個調整那第二個部分剛剛這個就是說魯明哲委員所提到這個在現行這個就是增訂這一項你不管在什麼場合只要有這個 |
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獨駕這樣子的一個吸毒這樣子的一個紀錄的話那這個預防性就是要去處分吊銷你的駕駛執照然後兩年之後你才能夠在這個考慮那這個部分的話也確實就是說第一個部分因為在這邊談的是危害道路交通安全的部分這是危害道路交通安全因為我們講說陸海空嘛 |
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這一個路海空的部分那當然那這個其實路的交通對於公共安全的一個這個部分大概是範圍最廣的一個內容那至於說其他船舶或者是其他像這個民航的一個部分的話他本身就有針對他的一個這個相關的一個部分就有他對於機師資格或是這個所謂船舶的那個部分 |
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所以那個部分的話可能還是要在這個另外如果說有必要的部分是要在這個另外一個這個法令區那個但是現在就是說針對道路交通的部分這個就是說你可能這個有這樣子前科那壘辦的比例高那可能 |
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這個這個下一次這個你如果沒有這個就是剝奪你這個駕駛這個執照的一個權利的話你下次可能就是獨駕就會開車這個上路所以這邊大概是針對就是在處罰條例只能針對這個駕照的一個這個部分當然比較全方位的部分就要考慮海跟空對對對對對身上的駕照就對對對對對嘿 |
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沒有錯啦但是我剛聽局長的意思是說他這個駕駛他在那個當下被查到譬如說他有機車跟汽車那就掉 汽車 計車如果他有職業小客車就掉職業小客車如果有飛行就掉飛行就是他有什麼掉什麼吧跟我們報告因為處罰條例只能處理駕駛執照的一個問題 |
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然後 陸地上的駕照對對對 就是駕駛執照然後吊銷的部分是吊銷各級的駕駛執照所以它是說你現在有什麼就是包括你有你身上有什麼吊什麼 對對對對我知道啦我例如說他不是在開車嗎 沒有這個行為他在任何的地方 他就是吸毒當我們有預防性的坦白講這個方向我們支持啦但是我警政署你們處理到底會不會有什麼問題 我不清楚 |
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譬如說你查到一個人他有汽機車駕照他有 他可能不見得帶在身上嘛但是你要去註銷的他有沒有帶來無所謂啊所以如果他有汽機車駕照 |
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你就會因為他不管在其他地方不是開車齁純吸毒的那這個部分就會把他現在所有的好路上的齁汽機車甚至好像計程車好啦不管什麼大客車啦反正反正就汽機車駕照兩個一併去把他註銷對不對齁註銷兩年也不能考那如果這個人沒有駕照沒事 |
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對我對你們有沒有我沒有我沒有駕照嗎那也是怎麼樣鎖定兩年不能考嗎你們的細則是這樣就是他被查到了沒有在開車但他沒有駕照也是鎖定兩年兩年不能考那在資金上沒有問題了 |
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你請徵訴謝謝盧委員那其實這一個沒有錯它其實是一個預防性的作為那雖然它不是在這個馬路上道路上的一個違規的行為那可是在道交條例其實92條之二它也有類似的立法例就是說汽車駕駛人的體格體能的變化如果不合規格的話那駕照就應該要這個撤銷那這一個部分公路 |
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監理機關他其實也跟衛福部、勞動部、農業部、權益部、國防部這邊都有資料的一個界階所以這一條的性質有點像92條就是預防性的那預防性的那在執行上面的話就是剛剛委員提到的我們各司法警察機關只要查獲私用毒品者經過確認之後那 |
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送到把這些名單或者資料接接到交通部監理機關他去查核他有沒有駕照如果有駕照就註銷如果沒有駕照那當然就是限制他的一個口罩的一個期限當然這一條的用意是這樣子那我們只是說在這整個警察機關查獲失用毒品者這個機關的上面希望能夠涵蓋到各司法警察機關以上 |
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好謝謝那那個他有回答問題嗎?有嗎?我等一下問新機關整理意見我們先先讓他回那個剛剛陳教授講的那個獨家酒的問題30萬的部分獨家酒一瓶因為像你們就說現在兩岸擇一馬那如果獨家酒怎麼怎麼處理?嗯 |
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我先講我個人的看法因為這個就是說毒跟酒在這個處罰條例裡面是分類第一款跟第二款不同的一個行為這個照理講應該是如果說按照處罰條例分類在不同款項的部分應該是屬於不同的一個行為 |
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但是呢我不曉得因為之前有聽過或是現在這個時務是講說這個都是折一重就是折重把它當作同一個行為折重來做這個舉發啦那如果是這樣子的一個這個部分的話就是說對於雙重的一個這個部分是不是要在條例裡面加一個這個更重的一個處罰我想說這個部分是可以尊重委員會這邊的一個這個討論那只是說要不要把它單列 |
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這個一項可以做一個這個討論因為在第一項裡面已經分別針對第一款第二款已經有做一個分項的處理那是不是針對這個如果說同時違反這個第一款第二款的一個部分在裡面再做一個我想這個是立法文字上面的一個這個考量那至於說其他 |
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的這個就是說加重這個就是說那個划緩金額的那個部分我想說待會可以再進一步做一個這個討論好 陸門周委員 |
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好 謝謝那待會是不是加入司法你們再討論一下那我想請教一下你們現在那個剛剛預防性的 聽清楚了你們執行沒問題執行沒問題 我們支持因為在哪裡有毒品我們覺得都不對那再來請教一下我們現在那個就是毒價毒價是直接吊銷駕照也是兩年可以考嗎如果毒價沒有重大造勢 毒價被抓到 |
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是吊銷駕照多久可以考知識法修了之後兩年然後如果開車獨駕然後被抓到就是吊銷駕照兩年可以考那機車駕照會不會吊銷吊銷駕照的話按照68條的規定是吊銷各級駕照 |
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就是我開汽車就汽車嘛吊銷個幾就是你身上要是有汽車的話就是所有就是如果我們獨駕的部分也是他所有的執照全部吊銷嗎對對因為這個是現行處罰條例68條的規定機車也一併喔對對對對那你們這兩個等於一樣齁就是我們預防性的跟實際在犯罪的不管犯法 犯罪的他兩個的 |
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所有的效度在這個駕照方面是一模一樣的沒關係 我們透過這邊講給真的可能有這樣的一個情況讓他們要聽清楚事實上你不是光開車你不管在哪裡試用毒品 |
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他的你的駕照一樣所有駕照都會被吊銷然後兩年之後才可以考對不對是這樣子的一個危害的潛在性基本上不論在這個你只要有這個駕照就有可能使用那種這個依據那另外一部分不好意思我再跟趙偉還有各位說一個抱歉剛剛講那個就是民眾黨所提的這個這個 |
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獨家酒要從重的部分剛剛有確認就是說據測這個不是這個據測的部分的話才折一啦但是如果說這個檢驗出來是違反有這個違反這個酒價跟獨家是分別開單所以沒有折重的問題 |
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所以這兩個是分開做處罰 只要是獨駕跟這個酒駕的部分的話 開兩張開兩 兩個都處罰就是有兩張這個單子所以如果這樣子的話 基本上就不用有所謂折衣 就是折衷做處罰這樣子的一個課題對 剛剛有跟這個那這人還要這條嗎民眾黨這邊還要這條嗎 他如果說兩個都罰 |
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因為我一開始跟你問一樣啦我也想說會不會只放一個如果兩個都有罰的話確定就是酒駕 滑酒駕 獨駕 滑獨駕這我剛剛講的也不會因為兩個是屬於兩款不同的行為兩款不同的行為如果是確定這樣那本黨團就修正中意我不會堅持不堅持那行政部門這邊你們對於這個 |
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就剩下这个了这个经警察机关确认后还是要经司法警察机关确认举发后 |
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這個我們委員看起來都有不同意見那但是行政部門這邊是你們要執行怎麼樣比較那個謝謝喔作為部會必然是捍衛行政院的版本啦因為行政院當時一定是有各方向的協調包含說司法警察有沒有加入司法警察這個東西會不會讓其他的單位無法執行應該也都討論過啦林明星政委那個時候其實也都討論過 |
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所以站在我們的立場當然是捍衛行政院的版本但如果內政部堅持的話因為對交通部這邊來講必須要舉發單位我後面才有裁罰的能力前面沒有一個舉發我後面不會有辦法裁罰那目前其他的司法警察單位除了警政署之外其他的單位並沒有被授予舉發的能力 |
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所以我們必須要確認舉發我們才有辦法做後面的駕照管理的動作因為除了駕照管理的裁罰之外再往後當事人也有一個身負的機會跟他的權利所以這個是一個完整的程序所以我們的立場當然剛才法部也有表達因為行政院的立場對於部會來講來這邊我們要捍衛行政院的立場但如果一定要加司法警察的話我們要先確認是可以舉發的 |
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我才有辦法做後面的裁罰所以如果一定要修我就是後面必須要加一個舉法上來這警察和司法警察今天並沒有正式的一個提案 |
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是警政署謝謝啦謝謝警政署來這裡表達意見的那基本上今天並沒有並沒有委員有任何一個版本有正式提案說要把他改為司法警察可是我想可能如果交通部要有堅持我們不要在這個地方在在在在耗時限在這個地方了三四五條是今天修法最重要的那我跟警政署我跟你我跟你說齁中華民國法律就每個會期都改了只有盜交條例 |
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每個會籍都改我上次就說過沒有一個會籍不修的如果真的執行有問題要修隨時都有機會但是有一個條件就是說如果我們不改為世外警察但不要影響到未來的借街這個就是你們跨部會之間的一個去把它協調去訂出一個SOP來尤其像是我意見好 謝謝局長找尾好 魯敏長委員 |
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好那我再再提醒一下啦因為我覺得大家都擔心如果說有很多的漏網之魚他確實被查到食用毒品只不過不是警察查到的那我覺得是不是即使這樣的按照行政院版本通過的話你們的 |
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毒品的一個匯報的機制任何單位都要匯報過來給又舉發權利的人那也可以嘛最多是一個禮拜之後我來我來這個吊銷他的一個駕照我覺得也達到公平性不能夠就是不管沒有加進去之後海巡其他萬一有查到他不管是不行的這個部分可能是不是要附帶還是承諾一下謝謝 |
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孟開外援好謝謝周偉我就一個小地方請大家看一下因為我們剛討論了21條然後跟35條我發覺35條現在獨駕跟酒駕反而比無照的最低門檻還要低那這樣子會有一個普遍的狀況因為當然你說 |
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無照是比如說機車是18000到36000那你現在35條機車是15000到90000雖然那有上限可是你的這個最低你是15000比18000來的少那汽車無照是36000到60000但你的獨駕酒駕是30000到12000換言之 |
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這會讓人家誤會以為說獨家酒駕比無照輕微所以我建議因為我剛剛又看了一下很多委員版本其實也有針對 |
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這個獨駕九駕的這個罰環要提高所以我建議啦我建議是說至少說要拉騎跟無照就21條無照的這個最低限度一樣就機車變成是18000到90000就以35條就18000到90000然後汽車就是36000到12000 |
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那其餘部分包括末路包括加重二分之一包括連坐這個都已經有採用本期已經我們相關委員的版本了我就尊重跟支持我們行政院的再修正版本以上謝謝好 先後來委員提醒那我們如果把這個條文修正的部分 |
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剛剛那個金額的部分都有拉到跟剛剛提到的機車一萬八到九萬汽車三萬六到十二萬行政部門可以嗎對不對沒有意見齁沒有來曾經委員也跟主席報告一下跟趙偉 |
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我們台灣民眾黨的這個修正中意我剛剛一直表達我們基本上跟原版的一致,今兒絕對不一致,今兒也不一致那今天我們從中,剛剛我們原版剛剛主席打算要以我們其他委員的一個建議那機車一萬八到九萬以下,汽車三萬以下到十六萬等等 |
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那我們的一個版本,當然金額絕對可以討論那這一個部分,成為我們來修這個35條基本上,我們獨家的部分 |
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真的要加重真的要加重我總覺得在這邊也表達我們相當的民眾的一個反應因為三萬個等於萬千個的時代 |
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真的是太少了啦汽車獨駕的一個部分所以這一個部分是不是大家在左翼各委員是不是能夠在討論在左翼增加那台灣民眾黨的叛叛當然很重我們機車就九萬到三十萬汽車就十二萬到六十萬但是我也提出可以來檢討是不是針對我們的獨駕酒駕 |
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既然我們要遏制這樣的一個獨家在35條的基本的一個罰款的一個金額我們終於在討論這是我跟我們的召委跟我們的主席來做一個建議 |
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我想我們可以參考那個紅委員的版本就是還有再加一些就是針對那個機車的部分我們是最低的是參考紅委員版本是一萬八然後最高我們就加到十二萬那汽車的部分最低的部分參考紅委員的版本是三點六然後最高的部分我們加到十五萬 |
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就是一個是1.8到12一個是3.6到15我在這裡還是建議最低的部分還是要往上調吧你調一萬五條三千塊然後上最高的加了三萬最高加了三萬 |
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我剛剛是點出我們修法的嚴謹性就是說不要21條跟345條到時候大家回去對覺得說21條比較重所以說嚴平但是我的版本其實一開始的時候更高這沒有問題就是說大家可以共同的來嚇阻或者是其實聽一下說剛剛慶榮委員的講法我覺得另外一點是他有提到是說獨駕酒駕要不要脫鉤 |
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他其實他的講法是說酒駕就是維持現行但獨駕加重所以如果說可以從一開始的時候就是第二款等於是現在我們都一直討論到因為後面都有講到就第二款嘛那如果說是在一開始的時候這邊就把它給講清楚譬如說本席的版本在獨駕的部分汽車我就直接拉到6萬到18萬那 |
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我覺得這也某種程度上有合理性因為坦白講喝酒不犯法吸毒犯法就這麼簡單就喝酒你要喝你在餐飲沒有問題但你不要開車這是我們告訴大家的而且另外一點就之前我跟署長副署長這邊這個質詢的時候就有講到嘛喝酒開車通常是喝完酒開車 |
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但是吸毒毒價是邊開邊吸這其實更嚴峻你什麼時候會ㄎㄧㄤ掉真的不知道所以我支持說如果說這樣的話另外一個折衷版本當然這很多委員版本都有這些數字啦我就說講一個譬如說直接毒價酒價如果說拆開就是現行酒價最低最高毒價就是double |
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最低最高的double那就直接就是讓它變成是一個這個脫鉤的一個條文我覺得這也可以討論當然因為我本期我的提案沒有在這裡面但是就是說現在西蘭將要去做這個討論然後也感謝慶榮總召一直強調的是台灣民眾黨黨團的版本那我覺得這個部分確實可以討論啦好不好以上 |
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那昭緯要不要裁示一下還是請我們交通部門這邊去研擬一下那我覺得是說如果說我們要從末路車輛要從駕照吊銷要從連坐法這邊都有一個這個因為其實35條為什麼我也再稍微30秒講一下就是說35條其實最終點是危險駕車嘛 |
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那一開始我們在修這個條文的時候是酒駕相對氾濫因為尾牙、脊牙等等的酒駕大家會比較常那以前是吸毒不方便要打的要用吸粉末的不方便但近幾年因為新興毒品電子菸 |
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載具氾濫了變成它可以邊開邊熄變得很方便所以現在看起來是獨駕的比例跟危險性大過於酒駕那所以當然我們都同在35條裡面但是該脫鉤處理的部分我們還是要脫鉤處理啊以上謝謝好 謝謝木開委員 請問對這意見 |
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供問我跟召委還有供問我報告一下就是說現行這個就是說第一款跟第二款同樣把它並列在這個第一箱裡面那都有上下划完的這個區間那但是現行就是說這樣子的東西按照這個條例授權有定一個裁罰基準那目前裁罰基準在這個區間裡面只要是這個獨駕的部分基本上都是用最高划 |
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那這個就是這一個酒駕的部分是有按照0.15 0.2 0.25這樣子分級來那個但是針對獨駕的部分在現行裡面就是用最高法在做處罰了所以在就是說即使這樣子的一個這一個滑板上下額度然後分類不同的這兩款那現行裁罰基準對於獨駕的部分就是以最高法來做處罰 |
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所以剛剛委員講的一個部分就是說對於獨家比較重的處罰 現行在裁罰基準裡面已經把他這個考量到了那如果這樣要不要就直接不處罰的話 |
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有的是嚇阻嘛就是告訴修法的目的其實還不是處罰我們修法的目的是告訴大家說這件事情不能做那你敢做我們敢重罰那如果說真的如同剛剛公務局長這邊講說現實實務層面法官都已經判最重了那我們是不是要入法就直接寫就是說就是第二款就是這個吸食毒品毒品駕車那就是採取最重罰 |
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就是說那個條文的部分的話可以在第一項裡面就是說加列一個就是說第二款的情形法緩最高法來做處罰然後並吊銷起駕駛執照好那我們就先這樣調整然後第二款把第二款單獨出來單獨處理但金額剛剛金額有沒有共識 |
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機車一萬八到十二萬汽車三萬六到十五萬這個金額大家有意見嗎?可以喔?好那剛剛那個警察司法檢查部分我們就不修了就按照原版嘛那那個部長你說他加舉報你就要同意喔?是嗎?那司法檢查 |
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沒有啦那個沒有就用本來的這樣啦我們休息五分鐘把文字調整一下好不好五分鐘後來宣告 |
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這陣子我們查過到 |
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因為那一段不是因為林柏惠議員那一段其實林議員講的我也來得比較多歪曲一點那是因為我們現在有很多事發生現在有很多人 |
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譬如說分群加分群或加群加暗訊號對話配合的時候就有一個暗訊號你通報我通報啦我通報就會說這是大家的編號如果現在是有一個暗訊號通過字典的通訊號翻譯就會寫下這個人的名字所以就是提醒大家如果是國外的暗訊號就有一個暗訊號 |
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還有一個少年叫張夏冠,因為蔡英文在法律同胞,因為好像她們很雙性愛情,她們都很懷孕,比較貢獻的性格,所以蔡英文剛跟我講,她的屁股她見面後,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對,對, |
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在這裏面,我們可以看見有很多人在這裏面 |
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我們的東西都已經放在那邊丟了我們也要放在那邊對 到時候再拍就有點起來 現在沒有人要幫忙所以你要這樣 這麼大的努力我再來跟他說一下 因為我真的不敢接有間接的現在可以拍這個 |
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謝謝觀賞 |
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中文字幕志愿者 杨栋梁 |
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所以基本上很多人懷疑到他這件事當然全部都覺得不是緣分 居然會有這種事情因為那種狀況就在那個緣分中間比較好管他但他那幾天的報告就讓我們覺得陷阱了 讓我們覺得陷阱了 陷阱了 陷阱了 陷阱了陷阱了 陷阱了 陷阱了 陷阱了 |
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謝謝大家 |
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我知道啦,我等你們回來啦,我知道啦喔喔喔 |
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蛤 還那麼多這條草完應該就沒了啦欸 六七是幹嘛 |
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新山 |
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差不多三四五條橋一橋就好了嘛 |
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好各位我们现在继续开会后针对刚刚讨论完了大家针对第35条部分哦作为部分文字修正就看大家看了那个荧幕上面机车驾驶人违反上述的处心台币18000元以上12万元以下罚还那汽车驾驶人是处心台币36000元以上到15万元以下罚还然后另外就部分就是刚刚依照刚刚各位的建议哦就是要把独家跟酒家分开处理所以 |
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条文上就把明明确违反第二款第二款之情形依罚还罪高而处罚并吊销其价值执照好文字上修正那刚刚讨论这么多包含说刚提到的那个什么警察机关部分就按照行政院原来的版本的文字了那文字上目前这样修正大家有没有意见数字也没问题哦好那我们就处理了 |
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好 那我們這個大約才第35條就按大家討論版本修正通過好 接下來處理35之一提案委員看看陳慶東 趙偉有沒有要補充35之一 |
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8月4夜大概放到8月4夜好那就好再來我們35條之一就不予修正 |
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維持線性條紋那再來35條之二 |
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都已經併三十五條都併到了嗎你們交通部直接說好吧你們建議的部分那個民眾黨團的版本早上已經提了一個修正動議大概就是參考那個院院版的一個架構來重新做提案所以三十五之一到三十五之四大概都已經併到三對都併併到三十五案去處理所以這個大概就建議不予修正 |
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好謝謝補充說明那這樣子我們35條之一35條之二35條之三還有35條之四我們都建議都不予修正維持現行條文 |
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好我重新宣告一下35條之三委員圖選集跟委員帳戶提案部分我們不予增訂然後盧憲毅委員的部分35條之三的部分也是不予增訂好那接下來進入到37條 |
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那第三十七條的部分是那個王美惠委員提案的那他主要是針對那個呃懲犯刑法一百八十五條之三之罪的需於申請呃職業呃職業登記前十五年以內未再犯受刑之宣告或執行使得辦理計程車 |
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駕駛執照登記那這個部分應該是說考慮橫平性因為如果像其他像是殺人啊故意那個重傷等惡性重大都只有12年啊那這邊提高為15年的話可能會有失橫平所以是建議不修正還是維持原條文 |
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好謝謝行政部門吼那個上一期條沒有有委員補充嗎好因為提案委員沒來吼那我們就不予修正維持現行條文好接下來進入第67條也是非常多委員提案吼那看看在場委員有沒有補充意見好陳慶隆召委 |
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謝謝召委有關六十七條台灣民眾黨書提出的修正動議就是我們的刑事院版本就是我們在接受酒駕房制教育酒飲治療、毒駕房制教育、觀察熱戒強制戒治毒品戒飲治療或毒品危害降息 |
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他假如沒有接受,當然就不能考照不得再考領駕駛執照但是他有接受之後,依規定可以來重新考照可以來重新考照那院版這邊是6個月 |
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那我們台灣民眾黨的修正綜藝版本是建議從六個月修正為一年修正一年那因為我們的毒飲防治啊那個治療強制戒指之後六個月的時間啊就普遍的經驗啊 實在講還是有過短的現象那我們建議啊 這個一年 |
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一年沒有再違反的時候,事發給駕駛執照就是說,我們自己顧慮多一年,這個時間對獨駕的一個接應程度讓他更穩定那這樣也比較對社會的一個安全,我們比較有保障好,謝謝陳慶紅總召,那各位委員補充嗎?沒有的話,我們就先看行政部門有沒有要補充意見 |
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呃針對這個部分我先說明現在那個院的版本哦學院的版本主要是針對那個修正的部分有修正第二項調毒假如果遭吊銷假照的話是三年不得考照然後呃經警察機關確認吸毒就是預防性調照的話是兩年不得考照那呃再來就是應該要 |
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經過相關的一個戒癮的相關的程序以後要有一定的觀察期是六個月那個院版的是六個月那屬於發育執照那六個月當初也是考慮到說因為前面的戒癮治療前面已經有相關的一個程序了 |
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那如果以觀察六個月的部分然後他考完照以後也要觀察六個月都沒有再犯的話我們才發給執照那當然只要有再犯我們又會重新回到原來的一個吊銷程序又重新要觀要重新觀察兩年所以其實原則上應該是我們是初步認為說六個月是已經足夠了不過也尊重委員會的討論 |
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好啦那我就一年了我觉得这个重点这条今天这个还是宣誓非常重要嘛就是你不要吸毒就让他没事那你吸毒读假了剑影结束之后六个月可以取得驾照这确实这个嚇阻率我觉得有限了我们觉得说当然越长越好但是我们很和平性嘛我就一年也没有很久啊他热戒完然后一年再给他考照好不好我就用一年了好那我们这个部分的话其他条文这条其他文字大概我们要修正 |
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那沒有的話我們就把它來孟開為我確認一下因為在67條這邊一直有寫到就是第一項後段前段的這個部分那但是當然其他的這個文字也是這樣但是我們在前面有講是其實他是第一項第一款跟第二款 |
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所以其實你現在講的後段就是獨家嗎就是第二款嗎那我說只是法律條文是這樣寫會比較確認嗎還是一致性這個是不是稍微說明一下因為我們剛剛這邊看到的是前段後段然後剛剛我們在35條講的是第一款第二款這個說明一下好不好就是說我們該法律條文要怎麼樣處理會比較妥適謝謝 |
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這邊大概有一些是前項這個前段或後段的部分大家回過頭如果看那個三十五條第一項的部分的話大概後段都是什麼致人重傷死亡那個部分然後所以這邊是針對那些這個就是說致人危害程度的那個部分在吊銷駕照的部分會把它分 |
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分裂別有些這個致人重傷或死亡部分就是終身不得再考慮那有一些這個致人輕傷或等等部分所以那個前段後段這個基本上是因為他內向裡面已經含括第一款跟第二款所有的處罰然後呢在這個前段後段的部分大概就是區分一些這個已經產生事故的這個嚴重程度的一個部分所以第一款第二款都有包括進去 |
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好沒問題這確認而已啦確認說法律條文這樣寫執行上沒問題就好那這樣那這個案子吼我們就依照好那麼這部分我們就按照陳青龍委員民眾黨團的這個提案修正動議來通過 |
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三七条是六七条OK好主要就是针对那个乐界完之后观察期多久的部分呢就从半半年提到调到调到一年了好那按照民动党团的通过好那接下来处理六七之一 |
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那67之一主要是那個王美惠委員提案那他是配合剛剛67條的那個援引條次的相次那因為剛剛67條已經依照 |
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那個應該說剛剛依照就是民眾黨團的那個版本通過所以大概這個部分大概沒有動到所以是建議不修正好 各位議員 第二位沒來那我們就建議我們就按照這個部分六七條之一我們就不予修正 維持現行條文接下來處理第73條 |
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那73條看看行政要補充嗎行政部門這邊要補充嗎73條的部分那個是委員建議將慢車的獨駕也納入規範這個部分那我們是原則就是支持那個委員的一個方向那我們中整了各個版本之後我們建議修正第二項 |
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就是提高慢車久獨駕罰環是兩千四到一萬二那修正第三項提高那個慢車久獨駕拒檢或者是就是影響那個檢測的一個處罰是到兩萬四千元 |
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謝謝總召陳總統謝謝謝謝召委那這個案子啊我們交通部這邊已經就這個參與我們台灣民眾黨長團的提案還有其他委員的提案那基本上慢車這個已經有 |
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有這個納入也有做這樣的一個修法所以基本上我們也同意就以我們的一個修正的一個版本行政院的修正版本來支持好那這條我們就修正通過 |
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跟召委報告一下剛剛那個六十七條的部分原來剛剛是參考民眾黨團的一個版本不過因為那個相次有問也有可能會不太一樣那我們是不是建議用行政院的版本然後六個月改成一年可以那我們六十七條重新再宣告一次各位委員那個六十七條我們依照行政院提案修正通過重點當然就是那個六個月改一年的部分 |
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好那這樣子73條處理完畢了嗎接下來我們處理73-1條那73-1條就是建議不修正因為慢車的部分已經有規範了所以是建議不修正那我們73-1條就不予增訂接下來是85條-2 |
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要先行政部門先好了那85條之二的部分是那個民眾黨團及賴瑞榮委員提案那那這個是之前是配合35條條次的相次的一個調整那因為剛剛已經都都討論過所以這個建議也不修正 |
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好,那我們這一條就不予修正維持線型條紋那85-3條是不是一樣問題85-3也是相似調整嗎? |
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對不起我再更正一下85條12的部分 抱歉抱歉那因為那個剛剛有增訂慢車的部分喔所以那個我們是建議綜合各委員的一個版本修正第二項及第三項那對慢 |
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而慢車久獨駕需繳安罰還時可領回遭一致保管之車輛另外為維護租賃車的權益修正租賃業者領回那個久獨駕一致保管車輛是規定所以會引用相關的一個相次在裡面那是建議第二項的部分就是增第五行的部分增 |
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增訂第73條第二項第三項然後第三項的部分在第一行的35條後面增加第73條第二項第三項規定 |
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好那个陈庆的总裁有要补充吗没有好大家都没有意见的话那我们这一条就85条之二我们就依照台湾民众党党团的提案跟委员内任提案修正通过接下来处理第85条之三那一样我先请交通部先补充 |
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85條之三的部分有民眾黨團及賴瑞榮委員的一個提案那黨團的提案主要是配合35條條次的一個修正那就是有關引用條次的部分那我們是建議不處理那至於說配合那個建議配套規定公告領回時間由三個月縮短為一個 |
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另外另外有個部分是是因為我們那個一致保管車輛未領回的一個部分那個相關的那個處罰單位他們有考量到說現在的三個月時間比較長那因為我們現在摸入車輛的規定越來就增加了摸入車輛的規定所以建議將三個月縮短為一個月那這個部分提請委員提請那個委員會參佐 |
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好谢谢提案委员各位有没有意见那我们就好好说一个月嘛好那我第85条之三我就应照刚刚所讨论的要台湾民众党团团跟来人委员提案修正通过 |
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好那今天的最後一條來那這個是配合相關的90條的部分是配合相關條文那個相次的調整那因為前面已經沒有處理那所以是建議不修正 |
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好那就沒有意見那麼第九支條就不予修正維持現行條文那就下一個附帶決議我們請宣讀附帶決議附帶決議鑒於獨駕案件日益氾濫嚴重危害道路交通安全社會各界難以接受針對道路交通管理處罰條例修正增訂獨駕車輛沒入制度其交通部確實落實執行 |
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另就末路車輛後續拍賣或銷毀所產生之相關收入請交通部嚴厲設立獨駕防治基金採專款專用方式優先運用於獨駕被害者照顧執勤警察人員支持及獨駕防治行為以提升整體防治成效並撫慰被害者及其家屬所受傷害提案人洪孟凱、黃建豪、陳清龍、魯明哲宣布完畢 |
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因為那個設立基金主要還是涉及到財主單位所以是不是可以建議在第三行交通部的後面增加會商行政院主計總署法務部等部會那研議設立獨家房子基金的可行性再加可行性 |
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慕凱委員會商我沒有意見因為其實最主要是我們希望交通部能研議因為其實今天我們討論很多就是你包括你的公告三個月變一個月那如果說沒有認養的話你也有相關的一個處罰那還有就是末路車輛所以最重要是我們希望是交通部落實研議設立這樣的一個基金那這個基金的用途是給 |
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獨駕被害者以及執勤的警察或者是獨駕的防治作為我想專懷專用這才是我的目的所以我可以同意剛剛講是說會同相關單位來研議但是就不要再加可行性三個字了啦好不好因為其實我也是要你們研議嘛 |
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那經過這一次事件裡面那總是你如果說能夠有一個時機我想我相信政府也不是說只是沒錄人家車輛然後來真真撞國庫啊我們政府沒有必要用這個方式來真撞國庫但是如果說真的有一些沒錄車輛那有相關的一個產生的收入的話那我覺得應該是要賺款賺用債 |
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獨家紡織身上好不好謝謝好那這樣子我文字修正成請交通部會同相關單位就好了吧研議設立獨家房子基金會商好請交通部會商相關單位研議設立獨家房子基金可以嗎可以好那我們就修正通過 |
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好今天討論事項協商處理完畢做以下宣告本日各修正草案之逐條審查其協商結論免於宣讀授權議事人員整理為決議內容針對本次會議做以下決議 |
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1.電信管理法、有限廣播電視法及道路交通管理處罰條例等修正草案均以分別併案審查完略分別凝聚審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時均由黃召集委員建豪做補充說明2.審查過程就審查結果如需補充立法說明請各法案組織機關緊速送交通委員會以便列於審查報告 |
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三 引述條文部分文字及原因條次授權主席及議事人員整理本次會議結束 散會 |