| IVOD_ID |
17586 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17586 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026070782 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-09T15:31:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-09T17:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:37:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-07-09T16:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「115年度中央政府總預算案」（公務預算部分）。二、研商「民法第一千二百二十三條條文修正草案」等案及「民法繼承編施行法增訂第十二條條文草案」案。（國民黨黨團提議）三、研商「臺灣未來帳戶特別條例草案」及「臺灣兒童及少年投資儲蓄帳戶條例草案」案。四、研商「第七屆監察院人事同意權」案。五、研商有關致癌毒油造成嚴重食安問題，邀請行政院院長提出專案報告隻相關事宜。（國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團分別提議）） |
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好謝謝,開會時間已到,能不能蔡總召另外兩位我們就不等了好不好,我們先開始好謝謝蔡總召、副總召還有陳總召,謝謝各位黨團幹部謝謝各位議員長、各位工作同仁我們現在開始正式進行會議那我們先就我們今天探討之前要探討一個問題因為今天晚上八點可能會宣布,也許明天會有颱風假 |
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也許沒有如果有颱風假的話我們是不是要考慮到院會日期要調整那調整的話蔡總召剛剛也提出一個建議副總召也提出了一個建議要不要簡短二要來發言一下 |
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副總召我們現在調一下院會的時間如果可以的話咧我們就7月10號星期五明天7月14號下禮拜二7月17號星期五以及下下禮拜二7月21號合併為一次會議如果明天放假我們就這樣併我們就做準備有沒有意見四天做一次會沒有意見好陳總召有意見嗎 |
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可以的話我們就先把這個簽了,才開始進入我們診所談談 |
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院長好像有一個細節部分可能還要再確認因為如果明天沒有開那禮拜二就是一次會嘛那如果再跟後面的5L再綁的話那時間上會不會有所謂的 |
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1915.409 |
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1940.596 |
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下禮拜通過的案子必須要等到下下禮拜二如果是一整次會的話要到那天才算喔到那天才算那有些案子我們可能就沒有辦法所以我們可能會請上下禮拜如果明天沒有明天立法院沒有如果明天有颱風假禮拜五沒有辦法開的話 |
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1943.035 |
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1962.747 |
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那禮拜二就是單天一次會對 因為剛剛去了解那我們有一些那個包括公投案的有冷凍期一個月等等那個就要再跨一個禮拜 時間上就來不及了 |
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1965.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1991.074 |
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所以我們的重啟核電的公投可能就荒掉了所以謝謝院長因為這樣的話要跨到下下禮拜才算本次會結束那時候空裝期冷凍期一個月是不是我們重啟公投那個是不是我們大家就協商一下可以投一投嘛 |
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1993.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1994.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
謝謝院長剛剛吳總召所提的問題也是我要提的問題 |
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2017.213 |
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2041.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
原則上當然我們先討論明天禮拜五會不會因為颱風必須要休假然後到目前為止我們就是五二一次會那如果明天因為颱風的因素必須要休假那我的建議就是7月14號禮拜我們就單獨一天就 |
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2042.862 |
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2064.707 |
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就約會吧好的好的我了解 完全了解蔡總総您有沒有寶貴意見好的那我們就這樣子 我們就把它分開我們就明天有兩個可能一個八點鐘宣布放假一個不宣布放假 對不對都有可能我們也不知道反正無論如何下禮拜二結束以後就重新再開一個約會就分開來了OK好那我們這就不存在好謝謝 |
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2071.189 |
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2099.699 |
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好 我們現在依序要進行協商今天協商的主題第一題115年度總預算案今天是單純的程序協商我們先訂一個收案的期限這邊有一份協商草稿請議事人員發下去發下去的時候我來宣讀一下好 請大家幫忙看一下蔡總長這邊 |
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2103.695 |
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2111.269 |
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請各黨團7月16日星期四中午12點前將115年度中央政府總預算提案,送至財政委員會會長,預時不再收案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
第二點 財政委員會事案之後交各委員會整理復印相關提案後於7月20號星期一中午12點前提供各黨團及相關行政部門參考請行政部門先行向提案委員及黨團進行雙向說明落實溝通以利後續進行密集寫商各黨的幹部就注意一下7月16號星期四中午12點這個有沒有意見沒有意見就請簽字好嗎一個一個來 謝謝 |
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2192.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我們現在針對第七件監察委員人事同意權案只有一個重點各黨團如果有關監察院長、副院長及監察委員被提名人書面問題請於7月15日星期三中午12點前送至議事處會診並由本院函送提名機關轉至被提名人以利後續審查進行請問各黨團幹部針對我們所提出來這個有無意見 |
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沒有意見好,民進黨團沒有意見請問國民黨團有意見嗎?台灣民眾黨團有意見嗎?沒有意見,好,國民黨團沒有意見,好麻煩請簽字,我們達成共識7月15號監察院第七屆院長、副院長、監察委員提名書面問題 |
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2253.77 |
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那個監察院長書面的問題,7月15號之前,這個我沒意見那後續的程序是什麼?還要再協商,要做一些公共的對,我的意思是說大約要不要先...見一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
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2279.312 |
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好 這個速度再請院長注意一下OK 謝謝好 請謝謝蔡董事長提醒那我們現在接下來我們就我們法案放到後面我們就延伸有關致癌獨有實案問題邀請行政院院長提出專案報告這是國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團分別提議請提案的台灣民眾黨團請表達意見好嗎好 請國民黨團表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2283.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2309.135 |
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你們不要客氣了,你看我看,來,請哪一位先發言?食安問題,來,食安問題國民黨團要先發言,請林沛翔署長請發言好,謝謝主席,針對這一次的食安風暴本黨團是認為說應該要請行政院長特地來立法院做專案報告並接受備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2310.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2332.529 |
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因為這件事情其實對於國家整體的不管是民心也好還是經濟面也好其實都有很深厚的這個很深遠的這個影響那這件事知識體大所以黨團建請行政院院長來立法院做專案報告並接受備註謝謝國民黨團發言接下來請提案的台灣民眾黨團陳總召發言莊瑞雄幹事長請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2337.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2362.107 |
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好 謝謝院長我想食安風暴越演越烈那從最開始的一千三百公噸到現在應該是兩千六百公噸那威武部的處理這個方向走綁我想大家也都看到了那整個這樣的一個食安問題其實也是我們的國安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2390.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那民眾現在也非常恐慌雖然說這個問題的這個油啊已經這個下架相關的產品經過這幾天的一個政策的反覆改變不管是第二階段第三階段也陸續在下架當中那民眾對食安的一個關心跟要求那重點是在這個過程當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2392.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2411.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我們明顯的也明確的去看到了我們衛福部長昨天在衛福委員會的一個發言很明顯的7月3號我們衛福部長是有跟我們的行政院長做報告的 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2413.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2424.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
在行政院要多加考慮這樣的一個答案讓我們的一個回收下架的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2426.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2447.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
搞出一個百分之二十以上要下架百分之二十以下支出這樣的一個過程造成地方政府執行的一個困難從這樣的一個過程我們也看到行政院長應該就是做決策 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2448.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2476.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
的一個關鍵讓我們的衛武部部長 食安署的署長在做進一步的一個裁決的時候產生這樣荒腔作板的一個事情那整個衛武部的這樣的一個狀況我們昨天透過我們各委員在衛武部的質詢我們也看到所以真正的幕後最重要的就是左仲裁院長所以台灣民眾黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2477.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2490.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
跟中國國民黨我們共同提出要求行政院長崇龍泰院長一定要到立法院來做專案報告那我們看時間來講如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2494.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2512.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
明天我們的院會正常就是沒有因為颱風而休假台灣民眾黨在這邊我們的主張行政院長應該明天就要到立法院來做專案報告思案的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2513.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2528.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
不能再等待過去的一個延宕從10月發生到6月30號的通報到7月以後整個衛務部的一個動作一直到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2529.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2551.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
我們除了看到卓永泰院長發的一篇臉書然後對外也宣稱說沒有一個不處理食安問題的政府那既然卓永泰說他是一個要處理食安問題的政府那台灣民眾黨在這裡強烈的要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2551.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2580.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
明天只要有願威只要沒有因為颱風而休假丑龍泰院長明天就到立法院來做專案報告這是我們的要求也是我們的主張食安的問題全國國人都在關心請院長來支持我們這樣的一個要求跟提案謝謝市長 知道這裡面有兩點要考量第一點明天如果放假 |
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2581.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2604.599 |
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那就禮拜二啊下禮拜二下禮拜二第二個就是說我們現在緊急通知行政院這個感覺不是太好所以說我覺得如果說一定是明天並不見得是一個我跟院長報告這一個食安問題從六月三十號到七月一號今天已經都七月九號了 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2605.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2628.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
如果一個行政院說他重視食安說他會處理食安問題的政府明天7月10號整整10天的時間行政院明天如果我們立法院我們要有院會明天行政院沒辦法提出專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2629.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2656.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
你如果讓我們全體國人相信我們的行政院是有準備的是有因應方案的是要解決我們死案的一個問題呢但陳總長上不上班上不上課我們今天晚上八點台北市政府才會宣布這個我尊重所以我的前提是明天要上班我們的院會正常的開議那我就要求行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2659.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2662.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
必須到立法院來做專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2663.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2684.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我先聽莊幹事長報告完畢說明完畢我們再說好不好謝謝院長還有各黨團的協商代表那個食安的問題我相信國人同胞大家關注朝野政黨我們也都希望行政院在這一次的一個危機的一個因應裡面這個過程怎麼樣去這一次的過程裡面怎麼樣讓民眾覺得這次資訊是公開跟透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2692.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2703.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
如何來向國人來做說明這個第一個就是安心啦民進黨覺得他們來做這個報告是非常合理的非常合理那我們現在講的其實就是時間上的一個問題啦因為譬如說以這次來看的話看起來業者之間有隱密的一個問題這個通報如何去做一個強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2714.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2740.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
那針對在野黨兩個政黨提出的行政院到立法院來做報告民進黨團我們尊重我們也覺得是合理啦但是時間上怎麼去安排尤其是我們更想知道就是說以這一次相關的一個法制來看的話你的業者沒有去你引力沒有去通報那你現在整個食安法裡面你如何再去強化業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2742.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2762.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
的一個通報的一個制度我們真的也想想看看那行政部門如何來補破網這個是明顯是非常合理的那提高他這樣的惡意的一個成本那尤其是整個追溯跟追蹤這個讓整個制度會更確實的落實到保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2763.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2775.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
國人食品安全的一個這樣的一個制度的一個完善那我們最期待的就是說避免相關的事件不要再去發生所以我們現在討論的其實都是時間的一個問題啦那當然會涉及到前提就是說明天如果說有上班 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2782.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2805.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
風就沒那麼大 行政院來我也覺得很合理的啊這個沒有什麼說他們準備不足的一個問題啦我們對兩個政黨提出基於國會的一個監督啊民進黨不會有不同的意見我們也想來看看碰到這樣的一個危機以後來怎麼樣來去善後怎麼樣來讓制度會更完善不然政府會去黑心啊到最後你說一個標準定出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2806.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2832.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
你去台灣啊我們就跟歐盟跟韓國一樣都採全世界最高標準我們不會像我們隔壁那個國家是我們的五倍是我們的五倍那我們既然採最嚴格的標準那我們當然要照這個標準來這個標準也破功了以後環節出在什麼地方我們真的連執政黨我們也希望說基於監督的立場來聽聽看行政院後面的部分怎麼來補破網 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2844.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
謝謝莊幹長發言 不過容我提醒一下第一個晚上八點才會知道放假不放假第二個你現在行政院要防災啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2846.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2864.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
你有沒有考慮到他現在今天晚上全部要動員這個八圍颱風的問題你現在這個時候突然八點鐘之後我們還要在這邊坐一夜再邀請行政院要不要就直接建議下星期二行政院院長早上九點來院專案報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2865.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2886.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
你可以讓行政院團隊今天我們就下午的時間專案來報告這個大家關心的中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件那這樣的話他今天晚上到明天他都可以專心防災啊你這個颱風也在這邊這個也是一個很大的壓力國人同胞也是很害怕好 陳仲昭請 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2889.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2906.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
院長謝謝啦,我這邊也謝謝我們民進黨莊瑞雄委員也支持,院長要到我們立法院來報告。房災當然很重要,但是行政院是一個團隊,行政院是一個團隊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2908.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2935.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
整個防災有我們的消防署還有我們相關的團隊團體要來做好防災的工作行政院長他是做一個指揮官行政院團隊不是只有一個佐隆泰院長難道明天如果放假我們佐隆泰院長要跟我們賀伯文副秘書長一樣嗎要去清水溝 挖水溝嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2939.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
另外我在這邊再強調如果我們防災的部份行政團隊整個行政院團隊中央跟我們的地方政府大家一起同心協力把防災的工作做好 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2953.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2969.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
甚至把災害搶救的工作我們都準備好那行政院這個團隊好好的跟地方政府來相互的合作配合讓我們的災害能夠降到最低這也是我們期待另外我還要補充 |
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2970.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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這個轉讓報告這時間我們這麼起波食安的問題國人關心其實我們也是給院長最好的機會他用最快的速度能夠向全國人民同胞來做說明這是給行政院長給行政院團隊最好的機會他應該要好好把握 |
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陳總召,如果你講得非常好,很謝謝你的發言,但是我們太多事情充滿了變數,今天晚上八點會宣布怎麼樣都不知道,為了讓我們這次黨團超越協商更有意義的話,更能夠落實的話,我建議就是7月14號下午我們請行政院左院長專門報告這個大豆沙拉油事件,那這樣的話我們就定下來了。 |
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晚上八點即使台北市政府宣布明天停班停課我們也不受任何的影響反正大家三個黨團都希望行政院長來說明跟報告那時間就定在下個星期二的下午副總召請謝謝院長我想我們現在發生這麼嚴重的事件真的是全民都被波及 |
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他的傷害的程度目前來看起來是比一個大颱風還要更可怕尤其我們的孩子有好多好多都受到這一次的波及健康也受到影響大致上為什麼民眾會這麼氣憤就是我們的行政院為什麼要蓋牌 |
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到底什麼時候就已經發現那為什麼要拖到這個時間最後還是吹哨者出來把事情講出來以後然後衛福部 行政院再來倉促的回答那食安五環的破功到底未來要怎麼樣讓人民相信台灣是有食安的 |
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我想這一次包括哪些區域它整體的流向如何還有哪一些民眾受害政府的態度是怎麼要怎麼樣來賠償這個都是民眾現在很迫切的需要知道的答案我在這裡要特別強調我們應該去鼓勵吹哨者尤其當政府在蓋牌的時候 |
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有良心的吹哨者出來主動查核自己的這個跟中聯買的油品 然後查核出來有問題竟然主動申報的企業被行政院來處罰這是到底是 也哪一樁齁這個 人 人民的健康有如此卑微嗎政府無能做不到 |
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守護人民的健康吹哨的企業竟然被罰款這算不算一種另類的一種恫嚇跟警告那現在大家有提到因為都很急迫但是我們還是要特別我在這裡國民黨也回應一下院長剛剛的裁示就是因為畢竟現在大颱風就在門口大颱風在門口 |
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相信這兩天尤其總院長大家都問他有沒有蓋牌為什麼要蓋牌他說現在防台很重要我們就姑且聽之啦那重點是如果下禮拜過來我們今天可以同意禮拜一加開院會就可以啦 |
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也不一定要禮拜二禮拜一來嘛也可以嘛那讓民眾趕快瞭解到底怎麼回事我想是不是有另外一個比較折衷的方式讓院長能夠來採取好 謝謝副總召發言接下來請蔡總召請好 謝謝院長 |
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我先講結論剛剛莊瑞雄幹事長已經跟大家報告民進黨的黨團我們的立場就是請行政院到立法院來做專案報告針對油品的這個事件但有幾個似是而非的觀念還是必須要做說明我們的法規規定油廠必須要自主查驗查驗完之後要通報 |
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隱匿多久沒有通報是隱匿還是吹哨可能我們要請行政院來釐清的問題其實就是這些這不是口水嘛民眾要的不是看藍綠白在這裡口水民眾要看的是今天我們的法規規範號稱食安無法anyway各種方式 |
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國人不希望為什麼每一次在法令越修越嚴格之後我們還是會吃到有問題的油品所以問題的關鍵在哪裡地方政府的責任在哪裡中央政府的責任在哪裡地方政府對於稽查有沒有真正的落實有沒有依規定去做有沒有人從中是隱匿不報的 |
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數字攤開來什麼時候報這個都有公文都有數字都有時間民眾要的是漏洞在哪裡立法院是不是在政策建議或者在修法上面我們應該積極的有作為這個是我覺得民眾要的那這裡面沒有誰袒護誰 |
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地方政府該負責的該下台的就下台中央政府該負責的就該負責這個完全沒有什麼好妥協沒有什麼談的空間民進黨團的立場就是如此但這個時候也不要忘記雖然民進黨也贊成要來立法院馬上來報告但颱風就在我們家的門口明天就算立法院有開會 |
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所有院長不用指揮相關的防災的準備嗎我想這個是各位偉大的有政治智慧的前輩們大家應該認真去想一想如同陳總召剛剛所講的對 行政院是一個團隊中央有中央的責任 地方有地方的責任難道食安的問題政府不是一個團隊嗎 |
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這個時候你直接的了當的直接就是左院長要負責但颱風如果有問題請問一下左院長要不要負責 |
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這個是一個邏輯的問題我沒有為任何替他講話的意思我只是請大家在討論問題的時候我們可以更理性的民眾希望看到我們朝野大家共同監督讓毒油品的事情不要在台灣再一次發生那這一次的問題在哪裡怎麼把它解決掉怎麼在事後該處分的該處理的我們都應該一併來處理我覺得這個才是大家樂見 |
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立法院面對這個問題的態度謝謝謝謝蔡總統發言不過各位黨團幹部容我提醒一下今天晚上開始左院長可能就要進入防災中心了最慢他明天也一定要進到防災中心了否則重大的天災人他不可能推卸責任嘛將心比心嘛他最高的最高的行政首長他不進到防災中心來立法院報告這個 |
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我的建議就是說,機敏兩天大颱風之後反正三黨都希望他來報告我們已經成立了,代表我們把人民真實的擔憂反映出來,各位都非常盡責第二個就是說,我們下禮拜的上午要確定議程嘛下午行政院長就專門針對這個專案報告那這個時候萬一有災情 |
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萬一不幸有災情禮拜天禮拜一他也去處理了你想想看這個颱風聽了這種大家心裡不害怕嗎事後的災情怎麼辦他也要一點時間處理所以下禮拜二下午他來天災告一段落 |
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他可以專心來針對我們這次大豆沙拉有事情來做個專案報告那每一個黨團都非常認真反映人民的需要如果大家同意我們就今天下星期二的下午兩點半我們就正式請行政院院長來報告這樣各位黨團看看可以不可以可以的話 |
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我要再一次強調前一次發言就已經表示這個事情院長來裁示我們都會尊重我在這裡還是要再一次表達很高興啦雖然是一次災難人民受傷但基本上三個黨團都支持中央政府應該來講清楚說明白 |
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但是我在這裡還是要特別提醒一下受害的是人民 受害的是人民人民很惶恐 要知道到底是怎麼回事所以我這裡就給大家聽聽看把責任推給地方政府 |
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我想這個蔡總統過去講千萬不要推責任給地方政府現在還不想負責任要推給地方政府你看真的他講得很清楚因為講得這麼清楚我覺得在這裡 |
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握有最大的能量的跟資源的都是中央政府這個時候不要在這裡就開始啊又再釋放啊什麼地方政府怎麼樣怎麼樣我覺得大家不要再玩這個啦握有最大能量的就是行政院這個蔡總統過去在那邊大聲疾呼 |
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因為我們本來要播放影片的啦因為秘書長覺得說在這裡播不太適合那我就把聲音播給大家聽就好了我想過去的說法 |
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隨時都可以印證不要換了位置換了腦袋在這裡公開直播不要再扯到什麼地方政府什麼東西因為剛剛石崇良因為我必須要播放剛剛石崇良從行政院會出來又再扯什麼台中市政府桃園市政府很奇怪啊他們真的是每一次出了什麼包就開始找地方政府真的很不應該這個樣子 |
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好 那陳總召你看可以嗎下禮拜二下 我們先把時間定下來我在這邊還是要補充 房災很重要 救災很重要 死案也很重要所以現在 包括我們立法院 我們各位委員針對國人擔心的災害 |
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擔心我們食安的災害 颱風災害的災害真的都在考驗我們的行政團隊行政院團隊也考驗我們地方政務的團隊所以我還是再一次的強調當然院長的一個才是最終我們也會來斟酌也會來考量但是真的我還是要 |
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再一次的強調不要再分地方中央 剛剛抱歉我們的發言還是地方中央還是一直在給他做解決我支持這種談的都是一個中央地方 都是一個團隊共同來防災 也共同來處理我們這一次食安的一個災難 |
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整個包括就像院長講的今天晚上八點會來確定這樣的一些休假不休假還有院長也要進入這個災害的一個防治 災防中心等等這些我們也會來考量也會來因應所以還是尊重最後我們三長的公司院長的一個才師 |
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謝謝,各位黨團幹部,將來那個下禮拜二行政院長來專案報告,大家有什麼意見可以直接問行政院院長,沒問題,專業省幹事長請謝謝院長,那我想針對於日期的事情啊民進黨以後我們到現在都表達尊重啦,反而是說尊重院長來做一個才是,但是 |
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院長剛剛其實講得非常好啦,你本來天災來的時候,颱風這種災害來的時候你這個指揮官,你中央指揮官你一進駐到防災中心裡面去,這本來就是SOP嘛甚至於啊,今天如果院長到立法院來啦院長你可能還會很溫柔地講說你先去離開,你先離開去救災吧 |
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這個是國會裡面甚至地方議會裡面常常會這樣子嘛因為這個涉及到整個老百姓的生命的身家安全的問題嘛政府本來在在海南一定要更強力的一個作為來安民心嘛那各位都說要安排在什麼時候如果不是這個風災的一個問題的話那明天有空你請他過來 |
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我們也都願意啊民進黨到現在啊不是在跟你講說什麼中央跟地方各位再回想看看上一次地溝油的事件民進黨在野的時候蔡總統有所批評各縣市首長都有所批評但我要跟大家講的 |
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食安都是國人關心但是事件它本身的本質確實會有別以前叫做地溝油不應該放的你把它放進去那這一次是在講說這些超標的這些BAP這個本田筆你這個超標了你台灣既然要跟歐盟要跟韓國採最嚴格的都是2 |
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你不是踩跟中國那種要到10%我們不跟他比較我們要走最高規格在我們食安法的規定裡面確實不要去講說誰有沒有責任第一線裡面該去通報該去開法的其實喔90%都是在講地方政府 |
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沒有人因為這樣就說你地方政府沒有盡責是在講說既然要來報告了民主進步黨剛所提到的是說整個食安法裡面你這個制度裡面再怎麼樣再加強來強化來強化就是為了要把他這個制度讓他更好 |
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我們講到現在沒有在跟你講中央跟地方啊那你刻意要講說好像我們是說講說為了脫免責任然後去指涉地方的話我第一個我們沒有這樣講那如果你硬要這樣講的話我必須告訴你中央地方確實大家共同都有責任你為什麼這個衛福部可以去做一個開罰開罰因為涉及到製造的問題啊涉及到整個流竄是全國啊否則確實第一線 |
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稽查然後涉及到整個要不要開罰我們到現在沒有去講說為什麼地方政府第一個時間沒有去開罰那再來我要去講的就是說其實本案最重要最重要的涉及到的是你既然自主檢測出來了檢測出來以後 |
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我們有一套的SOP啊 該通報就通報啊 該下架就去下架可是沒有耶 是檢測出來以後 你到五月份檢測出來而且是兩次驗證出來以後 你到六月份那這段期間是在幹什麼 一直賣一直賣啊 在清倉啊所以我們也希望中央政府他查明的事情行政院把這些狀況來立法院來做一個報告我們來更發揮監督 |
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冤有頭債有賭誰有責任誰都跑不掉啦讓社會大眾更透明更有辦法知道這個過程裡面到底哪一些地方該去強化誰有責任業者有責任施法官員有責任那當然就是救責的問題以上好 謝謝剛剛講 |
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讓我再補充一下好不好這個我一定要講齁我剛剛強調的當然莊瑞雄委員也做一些補充齁我們不要在中央跟地方這邊爭啦思安 |
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防災救災都是一體的那我們尊重院長待會做的決定但是我在這邊我們希望卓院長也要好好反省維護食安但是目前這個階段待會5點5點吧5點5點5分我們的卓院長又要陪我們的沈波陽市長候選人要到台北的內湖區 |
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要到金融路要去看房財的準備又要到陽光湊水站要去看房訊的準備我相信整個房災一定要去做但是又要陪同我們市長候選人又要去做這樣的一個房災的一個視察 |
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那這樣是代表行政中立嗎 還是訪災救災委優先所以我們在這邊還是真的希望左榮泰院長死案要顧 颱風來了災害也要顧大家一起關心我都OK所以我們還 我這邊已經也表達尊重院長好不好 好 謝謝你說尊重院長 看旁邊邱惠如委員一直在笑 |
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他應該很同意你的發言謝謝我們針對食安問題跟各位黨團幹部來宣告一下我們就下週二下午進行那協商草稿我念一下如果可以的話同意我就請大家簽字我們決定兩樣重點一各黨團同意7月14號下午星期二下午請行政院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備諮詢 |
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質詢人數由國民黨團推派3位、民進黨團推派3位、台灣民眾黨團推派1位進行。每位委員訊答時間15分鐘。質詢順序依例授權議事處辦理。名單請於7月13日星期中午12點前送至議事處會診。 |
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預時視同放棄二7月10號星期五如果因為颱風停止上班上課原定週五議程延至7月14號星期二上午舉行當次會議我們不再處理臨時提案那這個議程的調整跟專案報告大家有沒有意見沒有意見就請簽字好嗎陳總統請 |
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時間上我們尊重院長但是實案的問題全國國人都在關心我們從昨天的衛武部的質詢你看那個到下午都還質詢不完那我們現在推派質詢的人數當然國民黨三位、民進黨三位、台灣民眾黨一位我在這邊我也要建議我們質詢的人數 |
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我相信有太多太多的委員 針對我們的食安絕對會要想來當面來詢問來諮詢我們的院長所以我在忍輸這個部分我建議能不能來調整到992992 |
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過去的慣例到晚上也沒關係 死安的問題院長 死安的問題要讓代表全國人民的民意代表立法委員能夠充分的來對行政院院長來提出質詢也讓行政院長有充分的時間可以來向全國人民同胞來做說明 |
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好了 这个部分请院长支持好 我们休息一下 |
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好謝謝各黨團幹部請坐好謝謝大家辛苦了哈我們剛才休息時間大家溝通了一下那蔡總召要求發言我們現在請蔡總召發言 |
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我們尊重院長,院長希望讓大家暢所欲言那我們非常支持,所以沒有什麼特別意見但是那個比例,依政黨席次的比例我覺得民眾黨的席次,他其實是應該是一席但如同剛剛陳總召所講的,他們希望能夠強化 |
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監督什麼的我們都很贊成所以我們覺得這是特例啦就特例讓民眾黨多一席我覺得這個是大家建議因為我們立法院有規定一規定沒有規定我們就依過去的慣例嘛所以一例我認為這是特例所以我希望這一次我們覺得 |
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回應陳總召的要求所以我們同意陳總召你的魅力已經發生影響力了好不好因為主要這個食用油大家太關心了太關切了好 謝謝如果大家同意的話我念兩點結論好嗎 |
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115年7月9日星期四下午4點地點紅樓3024決定兩項重點事項依各黨團同意7月14日星期二下午邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出中聯油脂大豆沙拉油事件及食安監管機制缺失檢討專案報告並備諮詢諮詢人數由國民黨團推派7位 |
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民進黨團推派七位台灣民眾黨團推派兩位進行每位委員尋答時間十分鐘諮詢順序依例授權議事處處理名單請於七月十三號星期一中午十二點前送交議事處會診預時視同放棄二七月十號星期五如果因為颱風停止上班上課原定週五議程延至七月十四號星期二上午舉行當次會議我們就不再處理臨時提案請問各黨團幹部有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見請簽字 |
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我們現在針對史安的專案報告監察院的同意權初步的實行的協商結論已經完成簽名如果明天停止上班上課我們就授權議事處先行法文各黨同幹部應該沒有意見好二我們現在進行法案的協商先進行民法繼承篇我們請幕僚人員就位 |
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來我們先介紹今天列席的官員代表好謝謝首先我們介紹法務部正部長部長好久不見總諮詢結束都沒看到你好再來介紹政務次長黃次長好歡迎您司法院黃廳長歡迎您內政部張專門委員 |
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內政部 內政部列席代表 還沒到財政部 蔡專委員財政部內政部都到 好 謝謝 |
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好,我們要進行延長討論的是民法第1223條條文修正草案以及民法繼承編施行法整定第12條條文草案我們要進行逐條協商民法第1223條條文修正草案那等案,我們先要請各黨團代表表達意見 |
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那莊惠雄委員有針對立法說明表達過意見莊惠雄委員你是不是要先發言好不好謝謝院長還有各黨團的協商代表其實在司法法治委員會我們在針對民法第1233條這個兄弟特留份的兄弟姐妹特留份刪除的部分大家其實是有共識的大家第一個是有共識的 |
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那院長請我發言我不得不先發言就是說其實這一條三檔有共識但只是在這個過程裡面大家認為說兄弟姊妹他其實也是法定繼承人在法律的一個民法繼承篇裡面規定的當然的一個成員 |
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那只是說法定繼承的時候大家有第一順位第二順位第三順位的一個問題那你把兄弟姊妹的特留份這個部分刪除三黨有共識那可是呢你因應這個我們整個繼承篇裡面所提到的就是說有一個叫遺產佐給請求權那遺產佐給請求權裡面 |
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又是針對是你根本就不是在於法定繼承人的部分所以我們就會提出來就是說那如何讓整個法治更完備那去修正民法親屬篇裡面的1149條遺產的一個佐給才可以照顧到說被繼承人他生前所撫養的這些弱勢的一個手足 |
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另外也去增訂了1173條之一特別貢獻的一個機制讓共同繼承者比如說配偶子女兄弟姊妹之間可以用照顧的事實來對於遺產來做一個分配可是我們也必須要指出來這一部法令業管當然是法務部但是真的在說的不是法務部 |
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所以司法院他一定會跟我們的看法會有所不同那是不是機關之間因為朝野政黨針對這一個刪除兄弟姐妹特留份院長沒有意見我們只是要把法治來補足那現在其實是兩個機關你們在打架 |
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因為法務部你是業管可是這個衝擊到的不是法務部衝擊到的是司法院變成以後這個案件可能會增加還是會怎麼樣所以司法院你們就會有一些不同的看法出來不然其實來講你看我們的國家 |
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我們其實是我們去接受很多國家的法律我們也會法治常常會抄日本不然就會去抄德國那以韓國來講的話韓國其實他們在2024年他們的憲法法庭他們去判決兄弟姊妹特留份反而是覺得那是違憲 |
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反而我覺得是違憲那你這個日本他其實他也沒有這樣的一個日本的民法也沒有這樣的一個規定那德國的民法其實他也沒有這樣的一個規定所以刪除掉其實朝野之間大家沒有不同的意見可是因為涉及到遺產走給的部分有涉及到那哪一些人的身份他可以請求 |
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那有這個身份他就不能去做一個請求的時候那我們又去考量到以台灣社會長久以來大家在看大家講的少子化啦或者說一個家的一個概念啊這個是價值判斷的問題沒有對跟錯那兄弟姐妹之間那如果說你這一款把它給刪除掉以後那遺產走給請求權反而連他 |
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這個具備有法定機制人身份的人他以後可不可以適用到遺產中給請求權所以我們就啊去把這個法制裡面去把它規定的更清楚然後也去參酌到日本的特別貢獻機制這個在委員會裡面大家也都覺得好 |
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所以才會把那一個要刪除掉的大家沒意見可是大家又覺得說讓法務部跟司法院之間他們有提出一個更好的一個機制出來所以院長我們報告完畢在司法法院法治委員會裡面我們審理的一個情況才今天會有院長來召集協商可是看來還是應該可能就 |
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要聽聽兩個機關之間的看法了啦好不好我們民進黨團先做這樣的一個說明謝謝總幹事長的說明那國民黨徐維珍委員請發言台灣民眾黨團請準備 |
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我們今天 院長還有各位 大家好其實我們今天要這個延商的是我們有關民法第1223條的一個條文修正就是有關刪除兄弟姊妹特留份的部分那其實不管是德國 日本 法國 瑞士其他先進國家其實對於這個特留份的制度是保障配偶跟直屬的親屬也不包含兄弟姊妹那所以說呢 針對這個部分呢 其實我們在 |
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114年12月3號已經有專案報告115年4月1號也有巡達跟逐條審查那誠如剛剛莊瑞雄委員講的不管是我們朝野黨團或是法務部其實對於刪除兄弟姊妹特留份這個方向其實大家都有高度的共識了 |
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那民間當然也期盼我們能夠加速的通過那至於法務部就表示希望能夠配套的法條一起進來包括遺產佐給跟貢獻分的這些配套但是呢本黨是認為應該是要循正常的程序先送來立法院然後在委員會大家可以也許辦公廳會廣大意見然後充分的討論然後圖條審查後再來處理否則專家學者的意見是什麼 |
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還有大家委員們的意見是什麼還有其他單位是不是準備好了這些會不會有什麼衝擊目前都還不知道所以如果今天就直接放進來協商因為其實我們委員會都還沒討論這樣顯然是有過於草率所以我們還是希望今天可以針對1223條有關刪除兄弟姐妹的特留份先行通過之後那其他的有關遺產所給跟貢獻份我們可以再進到委員會來充分的討論 |
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民眾委員就是針對一二三條的就希望這個達成共識 其他道委員會再說我們會充分討論台灣民眾黨團有沒有意見 |
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是 我們這對這個部分就是跟剛剛兩黨講的都一樣我們其實對刪除休息姊妹的退休分其實都有共識啦這個我想比較沒有問題那至於法務部他新提出來的那樣的版本我覺得可能討論度還是不夠啦當然這個法務部基於他們的職責提出一些可能的但書不過我想今天是不是我們先把有共識的部分先來處理掉這是大概在我們台灣民眾黨的一個建議以上謝謝 請法務部政部長請說明 司法院請準備 |
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主席各位委員今天奉邀列席大院就民法1223條條件修正查案的檔團協商那本部說明那第一的確是因為生活形態的一個變更現行民法兄弟姐妹特留分這個規定已經不合適宜所以各委員提案刪除散開規定這個這部分本部 |
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競表贊同但刪除之後其實上有一些產生一些不公平的一個現象所以我們是建議能夠一併通過相關的一個配套的一個規定那有關於委員提案的修正條文1149條是修正現行遺產佐給的請求權的要件和範圍 |
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那這邊可以讓那個弱勢的一個手足獲得一個適當的一個保障那另外修正第1165條及增訂第1173條之一1173條之二部分是參考外國法制所引進的繼承人的一個特別貢獻的配套的一個制度那這部分可以增加照顧高齡者的一個誘因也可以促使 |
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各計程間的一個實質的一個公平那這部分的一個法案內容跟本部韓報行政面審查中的查案的修法的方向是一致的那本部是競表贊同 |
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我們也希望就是民法的這一次的一個修法能夠達成尊重遺囑自由促進實質公平跟保障弱勢守著三大目標讓這個繼承的法制能夠更貼近現實社會的一個實際需求那更加完善 以上報告進行主席跟各位委員指教 謝謝 |
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司法院代表發言那關於本次修法民法1223條刪除兄弟姐妹特留份的部分本院並沒有不同的意見那至於其他相關的配套包含這個遺產佐給或者是貢獻分相關的這個修正的部分因為本院先前有代表有 |
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參與這個保護部的民法計程片的研修研修小組的會議曾經有表達過對於草案的意見那包含說相關的構成要件的明確性以及是不是要作為這個遺產分割的材料因子還有這個數額的認定等等的相關的有提出相關的這個意見的部分那因為本次的這個修正草案的部分我們本院還沒有正式的收到草案的內容 |
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那所以對於這個相關的意見我們可能還需要經過司法院內部的討論之後來提出這個意見的部分照莊銳雄委員說講法好像你們對法務部有意見你們到底有沒有意見 |
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是因為我們先前參與這個研修對於這個草案的內容的確因為會考量到之後在食物運作上面在生理的過程或相關舉證上面的異議所以的確我們有一些不一樣的想法這一點你要大聲講出來好 莊委員請繼續發言好啦 不然我就說不是這樣想啦 |
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就是說我們在法律修訂的時候各政黨都希望要可以充分的討論尤其是主條這都通啦但是我們都沒有這樣做啦你們而且是在黨動不動都驚呼而吐要加進來你們根本什麼叫空訂你們這工業委都兩套標準所以這一點就不用再繼續講了這政黨之間當然講白話但我要提出一個事情會有一種狀況是什麼樣狀況你知道嗎 |
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我們現在刪掉的是兄弟姐妹的這個特留份的部分那假設有一天我去做生啊,我死掉了 |
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我的兄弟姊妹,因為如果說都沒有家人,兄弟姊妹的繼承人的順序會往上上來嘛你現在特留份你刪除之後,假設我訂一個遺囑啦我說我曾經弄得很好,後來過去我的媽子的我全部都送你,會有一個問題來囉 |
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我的兄弟姊妹他已經沒有特留份可是他是法定基金人以前曾經受到我照顧的人可以來說莊烈雄的遺產他可以給姊妹來搬一宿兄弟姊妹反而沒有這樣的請求權 |
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我們之所以提出這樣的一個版本出來說 遺產租給請求權的部分你要去做一個修正的原因在這個地方這一題啊 完全都沒有政黨政治色彩啦我們現在 這是真的改革的問題啦你們這些人都告訴我 大家在我們裡面看很多就是說我們如果修正之後 碰到這種狀況 |
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你怎麼辦他也沒有他也沒有特留分他也沒有了反而他輸給那個跟 |
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旁邊曾經受過我出名介表 我有給他贊助的回去給他一次 那個比較受到我照顧的人他有權利來跟我要求我這一份遺產啊 佐給請求權兄弟姊妹反而喪失這樣的一個請求權的身份這樣不對喔 我們說實在話喔我請問那個 |
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兩個在野黨 你們要怎麼處理 除了這個問題外我都不想跟你們拖 因為我們在司法法治委員會裡面就是各黨我們都有共識 這第一個那第二個是說 之所以提出這樣的一個配套是要解決問題 都沒有任何的算計 都沒有就是說 這條通過之後 我也跟國民黨拍拖 你們很厲害 你們都聽到了社會的聲音台灣民眾人也給你拍拖 都聽到了 |
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國際趨勢 世界趨勢就是如此在走嘛民進黨也從來沒有跟你反對啊我們只是說我們發現問題了那請問如果你說這條生活過 其他都不用處理那我剛提到那個問題 那你怎麼辦這個是第二個問題啦那其實我最主要我是不是也提一個建議啊也沒有任何算計就說好 那你那過那可是日出的時候我跟院長報告就是說因為我們這樣一修以後我剛碰到那個問題馬上就發生啦 |
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本來跟我沒有關係的人沒有任何親屬關係的人他也都不是我的繼承人順位的人他就可以來跟我這一份遺產來要求我生前曾經去撫養他幫助過他所以他有遺產租給請求權可是我的兄弟姊妹因為這一次的修法以後我除了特留份沒有以外 |
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大家說沒有嘛 沒有就沒有了可是他的身份反而已經輸給沒有任何的親屬關係的人他連遺產走給請求權的地位都沒有會有這樣的一個問題所以是不是也請院長來折衷不然日出 訂個日出然後讓司法院跟法務部這邊再看看我們幾年日出嘛 配套快要出來嘛這樣子會不會更圓融 更圓滿一點這個配套我是覺得 |
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沒有算計,是在解決問題請各位黨團,台灣民眾如果這樣說你們聽下去,我不知道國民黨你們的想法是什麼因為在談這個問題的時候,大家也都沒有反駁過我說我這樣不好啦只是我知道你們是希望先通過,要加速回應社會的期待,這是對的,民進黨也認為是對的但我擔心的是修法完以後,我們製造出問題來了 |
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會有這樣的一個問題以上這樣的一個說明也請兩個黨團可以來做指教謝謝專案幹事長發言各黨團幹部還有法務部代表跟司法院代表我想這個很難達成共識大家有沒有補充意見沒有補充意見我要做宣告了部長還沒有補充但我就要直接宣告了顯然沒辦法達成共識 |
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好 謝謝我們關於本案民法繼承篇這兩案協商目前為止完全沒有辦法達成共識後續我們就依照規定來進行處理 好吧好 謝謝另外一個下一案未來 謝謝我們鄭部長還有司法院各位列席的所有的代表非常感謝大家 謝謝 請回現在我們下一案未來賬戶法案 |
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還沒有完全溝通我們就等待溝通後再進行協商那我們到時候等溝通完畢之後我們來進行協商現在散會我們有副修正同意 |
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可以嗎? |