| IVOD_ID |
17579 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17579 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T08:37:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T09:31:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:53:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd93abdbd2e83a3e4fef9173a6ca63f5aa7149c28021a325208ba4f2774b481fbb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員許智傑等22人擬具「引水法第六條條文修正草案」案。
二、繼續審查（一）委員林俊憲等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案」案及（二）委員柯志恩等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一條文修正草案」案。三、繼續審查（一）委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案及（二）委員陳雪生等26人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第六條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議進行處理】【7月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:59 - 09:31:00 |
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您好 大家好 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好謝謝好那我們現在開始開會我們出去委員已達法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議的議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第二十一次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年六月二十九日星期一上午九十二分至十一時五十二分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員何新淳等十四人列席委員許中信等二人列席官員數位發展部部長林怡靜等主席黃昭 |
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1539.91 |
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黃昭吉委員建豪報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一至三繼續審查一百一十五年度中政府總預算案關於數位發展部資通安全署數位產業署單位預算 |
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決議一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過二本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整三第一案至第三案均審查完畢內容如審查結果四本會主審一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於公務預算部分均已審查完畢 |
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五有關公務預算正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查及我調整六擬據公務預算審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會討論七院會討論前須交由黨團協商院會討論時由本會黃昭吉委員建華及林昭吉委員俊憲出席說明 |
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審查結果 數位發展部單位預算一 稅務部分 第二款第207項無列數 第三款第172項 第四款第219項 第七款第217項均照列二 稅出部分 第二款第一項改列為29億1616萬元 本項通過決議28項 |
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資通安全署單位預算依稅入部分第二款第208項無列數第三款第173項照列第四款第220項無列數第七款第218項照列二稅出部分第21款第二項改列為15億1146萬8千元本項通過決議15項數位產業署 |
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單位預算因稅入部分第二款第209項第四款第221項第七款第219項均照列二稅出部分第21款第三項改列為58億7,989萬元本項通過決議19項散會宣讀完畢好我們請問各位委員對議事錄有沒有意見沒有沒有意見我們議事錄確定那我們現在介紹 |
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我們在場的委員陳雪生委員我們陳培宇委員還有許志傑委員那我們也介紹今天在場列席我們交通部的伍聖元次長我們交通部公共運輸及監理師的胡迪奇司長我們行政司的代理副司長段維平 |
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我們航港局的葉協榮局長台灣港務公司高級研究員張乃文我們國安部作戰及計劃參謀次長室作戰準備處處長吳東達我們勞動部勞動力發展署身心障礙者及特定對象就業組我們許志軒科長 |
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文化部人文及出版師陳文廷副司長本會議進行飲水法、發展大眾運輸條例、大眾運輸工具傳播語音平等保障法等修正草案的逐條審查 |
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1758.302 |
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我們本日會議主條審查程序我們個案先一併宣讀條文如有修正動議也一併宣讀全部宣讀完後再主辦進行協商處理好那我們現在就宣讀條文 |
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1779.926 |
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委員許智傑等二十二人擬居飲水法第六條條文修正草案第一項序文左列修正為下列第一項第一款修正為軍事建制之艦艇第一項第三款第五款第六款刪除原第一項第四款第一為第三款文字修正為總隊衛未滿一千支船舶原第一項第七款第一為第四款當地 |
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1780.506 |
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1809.201 |
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行政機主管修正為行政港區修正為飲水區域第二項守據第七款修正為第四款莫具消通部修正為主管機關第三項聚首修正為總隊外未滿一千隻非中華民國遊艇或總隊外未滿五百隻其他與同線型條文委員林俊炫等二十三人擬據八種大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案委員柯之恩等二十三人擬據發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一條文修正草案 |
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1809.801 |
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1818.918 |
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第二條委員林俊憲等23人提案第一項據中汽車燃料使用費修正為公路養護修建及安全管理費與同現行條文 |
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1820.066 |
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1846.207 |
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第四條之一委員柯之恩等二十三人提案中斷提供無障礙運輸服務後新增級高齡者運輸服務及修正為並身心障礙者後新增級高齡者與同線型條文委員陳培鈺等十八人擬拒大眾運輸工具播音語音平等保障法第四條及第六條條文修正草案委員陳雪生等二十六人擬拒大眾運輸工具播音語語言平等保障法第六條條文修正草案 |
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1847.148 |
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1870.802 |
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第四條委員陳培宇等18人提案據莫慣用之語言修正為使用之國家語言與同線條文第六條委員陳培宇等18人提案第一項國語修正為華語閩南語修正為台語客家語修正為台灣客語其他原住民語言修正為台灣原住民族語明北福州語修正為馬族語第二項莫具本國族群慣用之語言修正為國家語言 |
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1871.863 |
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1886.997 |
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於同現行條文委員陳雪生等26人提案第一項默據明北福州與修正委麻足敏東宇與同現行條文宣讀完畢好我們條文均與宣讀完畢現在就主案進行協商處理 |
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1923.791 |
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1947.427 |
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好各位同仁我們現在繼續審查飲水法第六條條文修正草案我們現在進行逐條討論本案我們只有少數條文修正只有處理一條好現在提案委員許智賢委員要發言嗎好請許智賢委員主席大家好這個飲水法其實有兩個功能一個就是安全 |
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1948.741 |
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1973.431 |
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那安全的話其實本國籍跟外國籍並無安全之差異第二就是說一千噸以下其實是沒有什麼問題安全沒有什麼問題所以如果說能夠開放就是不需要飲水的話這個有利於觀光跟遊艇等水上活動那這個我們跟香港局溝通過那希望說大家能夠支持通過 謝謝 |
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1977.503 |
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1986.649 |
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好 各位有沒有意見 沒的話請交通部這裡有意見嗎謝謝趙偉 葉局長來是 包趙偉以及這個與輝哥委員那江湖航港局報告 |
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1994.694 |
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2022.148 |
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那感謝許智傑委員等22位委員對於因政府推動水域遊棲的政策以及符合飲水實際的這個實務的現況呢所提飲水法第6條的修正草案那在這邊特別報告 香港局為了強化飲水業務的監督管理那目前也正推動飲水法的修正作業那為配合整個遊艇的觀光發展政策呢在確保 |
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2022.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2043.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
港口航行安全的這個前提下 航港局已經徵詢了我們各飲水辦事處以及港務公司等利害關係人的意見那已經會有共識 那規劃比照我國籍 現行台灣我國籍總動員未達1000的船舶不是用強制飲水的規定來放寬總動員未達1000的 |
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2046.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2065.688 |
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非我國籍的遊艇不適用強制飲水的規定因此有關學院等委員的這個提案的修正的方向那與本部航港局目前所提的飲水檢討修正的方向一致那交通部尊重委員會的一個審查結果以上報告 |
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2066.788 |
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2082.72 |
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好謝謝那各位還有沒有其他意見如果沒有其他意見的話那我們銀碎法第6條就照許智傑等22人的提案我們通過好通過好 |
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2087.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2102.731 |
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各位委員接下來我們繼續審查併案審查發展大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案我們繼續諸條討論本案我們只有少數條文有修正一共有兩條好我們現在來請各位我們看第二條 |
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2104.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2125.716 |
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那第二條是由本席所提案也跟各位委員跟交通部這裡我們也討論過第一個就是棄燃費這個名稱實際上跟我們現在這個稅收的使用有那名稱上已經沒有辦法反映為什麼要來徵收這條費用了更何況未來電動車的車輛也會越來越多 |
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2129.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2154.965 |
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同時我們在參考大法官第593號的解釋也說汽車燃料使用費主要目的是為籌措公路養護修建及安全管理所需的經費因此本期提案是把這個名稱把它證明由汽燃費把它證明為公路養護修建及安全管理費用 |
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2156.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2183.215 |
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好 以上跟大家報告好 請李坤哲委員發展大眾運輸條例的第二條這個是郡縣委員的一個提案那其實內容是蠻單純的就是說把計程車客運業比照大眾運輸事業免徵汽燃料使用費以及使用牌照稅 |
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2184.375 |
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2209.633 |
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那其中針對汽車燃料使用費進行文字的一個修正這個文字應該就是調整成比照現行公路法第27條的規定調整成公路使用養護安全管理會那其實公路法的文字已經是在去年的12月三讀就已經通過 |
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2211.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2226.962 |
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發展大眾運輸條例的第二條計程車客運業比照大眾運輸業免徵汽車燃料使用費跟使用牌照稅這個是在20多年前因為我們在處理計程車的生計的問題 |
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2229.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2242.16 |
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希望給計程車業者計程車駕駛辛苦的駕駛員有比較好的一個待遇的提升所以當初在討論這個議題的時候 |
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2246.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2265.853 |
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大家對於計程車業者是不分黨派計程車司機不分黨派都要給予支持但是這也不能說憑空就免徵他們的汽車燃料使用費跟牌照稅所以當初我記得是我提案把這個第二條修正為 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2266.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2288.686 |
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把計程車列為準大眾運輸工具今天也謝謝巨信召委這個相關的提案來更符合相關的一個文字的一個運用 謝謝好 謝謝棍子委員的補充各位委員如果沒有我們請交通部表達意見 來 |
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2290.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2315.363 |
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那個謝謝委員那個指正就是針對那個公路法的部分大概就是如同那個剛剛李委員有特別提到在今年的那個在去年的12月2號已經三讀通過那也在12月19號發布了那我們是建議參考就是公路法的一個名稱修正為公路使用養護安全管理費好 |
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2319.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2346.502 |
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就是把我提的那個名稱再把它改為跟我們之前修法的公路法第27條的名稱再一致啦就是再修改為公路使用養護安全管理費這個大家應該都同意啦讓法令的名詞都一致再來就是計程車客運業也比照大眾運輸業就等於他也納入大眾運輸業像剛剛崑哲委員跟大家說明的但也免徵 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2347.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2370.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
公路使用養護安全管理費就是過去的及使用牌照稅就是過去的燃料費延免的各位如果沒有其他意見的話我們就照修正通過好接下來我們再看第4條之一就是柯志恩委員的提案各位有沒有意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2372.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2382.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
美科智恩委員主要就是針對...好 來 陳協生委員 你要講話要先舉手經過平息同意好 請陳協生委員發言誒 報告曾慶的召委貴姓 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2393.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2408.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
沒有啦,他主要是高齡者提供無障礙運輸服務及高齡者運輸服務規劃設置使用各類身心障礙的行動不方便,無障礙設施加強,大概就這個意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2418.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2432.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
跟委員報告因為其實我們現在的所謂的無障礙服務現在都是用通用的概念就是不管老弱婦大概都是以我們的設計大概都要符合大家的一個需求所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2432.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2449.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我們是建議這邊不需要特別修正因為這邊只有針對高齡者那其實我們還有婦孺這些東西這些族群都會有這樣的需要所以我們是建議維持現在的無障礙運輸服務因為它就有一個通用的一個概念在裡面現在已經有了嗎對 已經包括高齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2450.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2478.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我看我坐飛機 年長者他們在輪椅啊或是那個滑梯有沒有他飛機都會準備他沒有 客戶人員也是好意啊 加強你看看還沒有加強到的地方再給他加強好不好好 謝謝剩下的問題就我們現行法令其實不是只有高齡者我們也適用身心障礙者高齡者及其他行動不便者好 那這個我們就遵照 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2479.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2495.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
尊重交通部的意見我們就不予修正好我們就維持現行條文謝謝好接下來各位我們來看病病案審查的大眾運輸工具波音語言平等保障法第4條及第6條的修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2496.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2522.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
好 我們現在就是處理第四條跟第六條我們現在先處理第四條是由我們陳佩儀委員等48人的提案好 請陳佩儀委員好 謝謝主席這個部分我的修法其實很簡單就是原本現行的法律寫著是不同族群所慣用之語言那我把它改成是不同族群所使用之國家語言那為什麼要這樣修法主要是因為國家語言發展法在 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2524.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2547.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
之前提出來之後文化部還有一個所謂國家語言整體發展方案裡面關於所謂的書面用語的相關規範其實當時文化部有一些建議所以我希望在相關的這個語言平台保障法裡面我們把國家語言的概念納入所以我就提案修了第四條把慣用的語言改成國家語言那這個部分也想聽聽看交通部的建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2549.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2563.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
好 謝謝體驗委員 專業生委員你要發言嗎你是我們先處理第四條 抱歉抱歉抱歉好 那請交通部表達意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2564.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2581.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
跟委員報告因為我們現在已經是使用就是國內各種不同族群使用的語言大概就是已經有一個就是慣用語言裡面就已經能夠涵蓋各國家語言所以我們是建議可以不用修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2585.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2603.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
好 曾委員 曾編委員江東部認為現在已經有規範到了好 我還是先說一下主席 我很快就是確實現在我們在搭乘大眾運輸工具的時候我們在聽那個廣播確實是各式各樣的大家慣用的語言都有 沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2604.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2630.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那我當時提案這個修法其實並不是要干擾或者是影響現場的實施或者是第一線的工作方向而是希望在法規上我們可以同步對齊國家語言發展法這個部分那當然如果交通部覺得不一定要修或者是你們覺得現在這個寫法已經可以的那我當然尊重交通部只是我希望我們在國家語言一致的方向上大家在相關的規範上都可以把相關的用語對齊我原本修法的用意是這樣 |
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2631.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2655.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
好非常感謝陳佩玉委員那我們第四條就尊重交通部的意見我們就不予修正維持現行條文好謝謝各位委員接下來我們看第六條第六條好請陳佩玉委員發言好謝謝主席第六條也是我那我的寫法是增訂第六條第一項主要是因為現在的寫法那就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2657.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2681.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
現在寫法就是按照當地的什麼什麼這樣那我其實是把一樣我是把那個國家語言整體發展方案裡面的書面用語的規範當時文化部的建議文化部在111年的8月22號有一個行政院的函授文是給文化部那針對國家語言的書面用語的規範是希望參酌方案裡面把 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2682.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2706.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
这些相关用语的书面名称做一定的规范希望各个部会的公文书都是这样写的我就念给交通部听听看请交通部参考看看第一个是优先使用所谓台湾原住民族语台湾客语台湾台语马族语还有台湾手语也就是当时这份行政院的函其实不是只有发文给文化部包含内政部教育部交通部就所有的部会其实都有拿到这份 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2706.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2708.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
好 謝謝陳委員接下來 林天安委員 陳學聖委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2733.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2748.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
其實這一條大眾運輸的語言跟閩北、閩東當然閩東、閩北其實相通的閩北話裡面,你現在俗稱的馬祖話 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2750.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2768.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
馬祖的語言裡面到底是常樂還是連江的語言還是福州的語言光福州語系就有100多種語音腔調等等都不一樣當然現在我們航空站所使用的船針對馬祖地基特殊的航線會有做母語的廣播 |
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2771.451 |
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2792.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那我們是希望說把福州話納入國家的語言但是福州現在又很敏感所以才改用說馬祖當然我沒有特殊的意見剛剛陳培育委員在這裡面也有很深入的一個探討我對這個沒有太多的意見好不好謝謝陳培育委員那我們請交通部來說明 |
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2811.006 |
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跟兩位委員報告因為現在的那個語言的這個名詞大概我們是建議未來因為目前現在那個國家語言發展法他還沒有一個明確的一個語言的正式名稱 |
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那我們是建議說這裡先不修正那未來如果在那個國家語言發展法有一個正式的名稱的時候我們再來配合做修正那行政院的過去的一個韓式啦大概都還是以韓式的方式來做處理那因為外界也還有不同的看法所以我是我們是建議等那個國家語言發展法未來如果有名詞的定義那各部會的法規那再配合一併修正 |
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2841.24 |
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好 謝謝 請陳貝爾委員 |
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我聽懂交通部的建議但是我想要請交通部我還是要表達我的之所以為什麼修這樣修因為剛剛陳學生委員都讚許我做很多研究交通部你看一下你們第六條第一句話是怎麼說的大眾運輸工具除國語外令英語、閩南語、客家語、波音其他原住民語言之波音有主管機關好光是第一句話除國語外現在已經不會說國語了我們會說是華語 |
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2872.595 |
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2895.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
對吧在國家語言發展法裡面其實已經講得很清楚了所以我才會把國語修正為華語那我相信這個趨勢其實應該是朝野委員都可以理解的我相信沒有人會認為我們現在在溝通的這個大家比較常用的官方語言被定調為國語是大家可以接受的以陳雪生委員來自於 |
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2897.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2923.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
連江縣他們自己當地的語言大家在慣常使用的溝通語言如果我們說官方溝通語言跟慣常日常使用的語言我們把這個所謂華語定尊為國語這件事情我覺得大家不一定可以接受所以我才把國語修正為華語那現在所以進一步我們就把所謂國家語言發展法跟當時行政院給大家這個報告裡面把閩南語修正為台灣台語客家語修正為台灣客語其他原住民語言我就修正為台灣原住民族語 |
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2954.388 |
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而明北瓜湖福州語修正為麻足語所以我還是要說我當然尊重交通部你們在使用上的看法但是我必須要說其實國家語言發展法真的已經通過了那相關的語言發展法相關的報告甚至未來我們有相關的中心相關的法人我們都希望在促進族群平等還有多元文化的同時我們真的要去在意而且要去注意這件事情因為你現在的寫法就叫做大眾運輸工具除國語外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
所以我只是要明白指出光是這一條第六條的寫法它跟現在的國家語言發展法精神背道而馳完全不是同一個方向我當然尊重交通部的說法但我還是要表達我們在這件事情上的立場跟我們的研究 |
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2972.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3001.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
好 謝謝那陳某委員如果沒有堅持來 陳學生委員我想跟陳某委員討價一下喔你說國家語言國家語言是我們中華民國國家的語言你現在說華語的話那我們國語跑哪裡去了我們國家語言是什麼我們國家語言是華語我們的國語我們的國語是華語以前我們把它叫國語我們以前把它叫國語可是大家現在在挑釁我們國語用我們國家語言就好啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3028.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
國家語言跟國語講國語是兩回事沒有我剛說我沒有要堅持我只是要表達我的立場不是因為你講華語的話我覺得很奇怪欸華語反而是中華聯邦欸你知道嗎你國語的話是中華民國啊好但也沒有堅持好那那陳委員也表達尊重交通部的意見所以那我們本案就維持現行條文不予修正好 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3059.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3071.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
向大家報告我們協商處理完畢我們做以下的宣告本日各修正草案至逐條審查其協商結論免於宣讀我們授權議事人員整理為決議內容針對本次會議我們做以下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3076.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3087.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
引水法發展大眾運輸條例大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法等修正草案均已分別並案審查完畢分別擬據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3094.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3124.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
院會討論前均不需交由黨團協商院會討論時均由本席均由召委來做補充的說明第二審查過程就審查結果如需補充立法說明請各法案主責機關盡速送交通委員會以便列於審查報告第三調次引述條文部分文字及援引調次授權主席及議事人員整理好我們本次會議結束散會 |
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3124.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3124.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
好 |