| IVOD_ID |
17578 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17578 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T08:34:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T11:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:47:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db93abdbd2e83a3e4f87da4c7ed56829b97149c28021a32520c12c20755cc13d495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、外交部首長、僑務委員會首長、大陸委員會首長、財政部首長、金融監督管理委員會首長、內政部首長就「協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導策略」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部部長就「全國電力資源供需報告」進行報告，並備質詢。
【7月8日及7月9日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:34:52 - 11:22:00 |
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謝謝大家 |
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首先進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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委員附坤啟、蔡宇宜、賴若龍、張家俊及陳昌明所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三、書面質詢和問及答問部分請相關單位一週內書面答覆並複製本會委員另有要求期限者從即鎖定115年7月2日星期四台灣時下繼續審查 |
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第2項財運發展署154億1882萬6千元照列本項通過決議45項第4項標準檢驗局及所屬31億1253萬7千元照列本項通過決議19項第5項區會財產局18億3164萬7千元照列本項通過決議12項第7項財運發展署36億4519萬1千元除第4目非營業特種基金10億元 |
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1763.038 |
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1787.749 |
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暫照列是所屬分域特種基金審議確定再行調整外其餘均照列本項通過決議十三項第八項中小及新創企業署八十一億八千兩百七萬一千元照列本項通過決議二十二項第九項產業運氣管理局及所屬九一兩千八百三十五萬八千元照列本項通過決議十四項第二期款直轄市及縣市政府第五項一般性補助款經濟部主管 |
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1788.069 |
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1800.475 |
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八十億兩千兩百八十四萬元照列三第115年度中央政府總預算案本會負責審查之公預算均已審查完畢有關正式別稅出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整依據審查報告提報財政委員會會診本會審查結果須交黨團協商因為討論時 |
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1807.878 |
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1821.29 |
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農業部及國家發展委員會主管部分由邱昭吉委員自委出席說明經濟部及公民教育委員會主管部分由洪昭吉委員郁翔出席說明主席宣告本次會議通過決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理散會宣讀完畢 |
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1822.749 |
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1838.965 |
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好 謝謝在場沒有委員我們依次律政部處理我們繼續進行報告事項請宣讀邀請經濟部部長國家發展委員會主任委員外交部首長僑務委員會首長大陸委員會首長財政部首長金融監督管理委員會首長內政部首長 |
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1840.566 |
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1866.552 |
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就協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導策略進行報告並被質詢二 邀請經濟部部長就全國電力資源供需報告進行報告並被質詢宣傳好 今天本席排定兩項議程第一項議程是協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合的相關的策略第二項是針對全國電力資源的供需的報告 |
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1867.573 |
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1872.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
進行專案報告那我想這兩項議題都非常重要特別第一項 |
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1873.995 |
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1897.48 |
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是說牽涉到很多的單位包括當然經濟部跟國安會負責相關的政策規劃那執行面請外交部、僑委會、大陸委員會兼財政部、金管會都有列席這些部會都比較少來經濟委員會那另外一個項就是全國電力資源的供需報告這個是未來的 |
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1900.001 |
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1913.307 |
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未來這個5到10年我們電力供給的狀況跟這個需求的狀況這個也是非常重要的議題我先很快的介紹今天列席各部會主管經濟部由鞏民先生部長 謝謝 |
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1915.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
1923.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
謝謝部長來投資助銀師林樹林市長是林市長謝謝投診師蘇齊彥市長謝謝蘇市長顧問師是胡文忠市長感謝產發署是邱首長邱求威首長謝謝經營產發署產業研究管理局楊志勤楊局長謝謝 |
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1938.418 |
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1950.879 |
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国贸署陈佩丽副署长 谢谢民运署胡志伟 吴副署长 谢谢台电 郑文森 曾董事长 谢谢中油 方正恩 方董事长 谢谢 |
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1952.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
1958.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
國安會部幹事由高仙貴副主委 謝謝經發處陳處長 陳美菊處長 謝謝產發處是陳瓊華處長 謝謝中規處楊鈞涵專委 謝謝那國安基金是施明山副執行秘書 指名沒有來外交部由我們陳明綺陳次長 |
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1979.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2003.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
謝謝雅蓋斯林宏勳副市長謝謝雅菲斯是陳永柏副市長沒有人嗎在另外一個房間另外一個房間待命為什麼沒有位子嗎沒有位子歐洲市陳明杰副市長謝謝北美市秉兆魯參事 |
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2005.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2026.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
拉拉美斯 盧曹瑞副市長也好那台瑞協 李立貞副民事長謝謝喬偉瑞 由李延慧副委員長謝謝那我們是喬香樹 廖雲軒副組長謝謝那陸委會是李立貞副組委經濟處林謙佑副組長 |
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2034.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2036.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我們進行各部會的報告首先請經濟部國民新聞部長做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2068.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2090.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
主席各位委員大家好我兩個報告就一起報告貴委員會邀請就協助海外台商因應地緣政治的變化以及區域經濟整合的輔導策略以及本部的全國電力資源供需報告進行報告首先是針對協助海外台商的部分 |
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2092.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2110.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
經濟部持續秉持著立足台灣佈局全球行銷權世界的政策方向會持續完善海外投資服務協助台商提升全球競爭力與供應鏈的韌性敬請各位委員不吝指教 |
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2111.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2139.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
那有幾項的做法向各位來報告首先我們會強化國際經貿的情勢的掌握協助企業拓展全球的市場那經濟部會持續的收集全球的政經情勢等等的資訊並且結合本部駐外的單位海外台商組織以及產業工協會等等的服務網絡及時提供台商來運用 |
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2141.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2170.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那針對美國日本歐洲新南向國家還有其他具有潛力的市場呢也會持續的收集相關的投資環境產業聚落以及市場趨勢等等的資訊並且透過投資的說明會以及產業的交流活動等等協助企業掌握商機佈局全球那第二項是建構完善的海外投資服務體系那經濟部目前已經在 |
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2171.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2193.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
捷克的布拉格日本的福冈还有美国的达拉斯还有美国的凤凰城以及波兰华沙成立了五处的台湾贸易投资的服务中心那透过外贸协会还有专业的顾问的团队来协助提供台商及时可用的投资资讯以及落地服务另外也会在 |
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2194.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2214.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
越南、泰国、菲律宾、印尼、印度以及马来西亚成立台湾投资窗口配置熟悉当地的投资环境以及语言的专业人才提供投资的资讯以及引介服务协助台商可以落地在海外持续发展海外的市场 |
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2216.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2244.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那第三個部分是深化台美的經貿合作協助企業善用政府的支持措施那經濟部持續在台美投資的合作備忘錄MOU的部分還有台美對等的貿易協定也是ART的部分以及台美經濟繁榮夥伴對話就是EPPD的部分的合作的基礎上持續深化雙邊的企業貿易跟投資的合作 |
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2245.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2270.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
那第四個做法是深化與理念相近的國家產業合作那麼協助產業聚落海外佈局那經濟部持續透過雙邊的經貿合作強化跟理念相近的國家投資合作交流並且呢與有意推動海外科技園區的產業工協會比如說TIMA建立合作的機制由企業 |
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2271.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2291.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
依市場的需求自主規劃海外的布局以及產業聚落的方式拓展國際市場提供供應鏈韌性以及國家的整體競爭力那第五項做法是推動升級以及中小為韌性的發展提升企業國際的競爭力那經濟部會持續的推動產業競爭力輔導團以中小企業跟傳統產業為主的 |
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2298.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2316.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
协助对象结合本部相关的单位跟资源提供AI或数位转型等等的七大措施主动深入企业来进行需求的盘点跟诊断那也会持续的推动中小为企业多元发展振兴的这个计划的推动 |
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2317.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2338.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
那第六個做法是積極的加入區域的經濟整合輔導協助台商來掌握商機那經濟部積極的配合行政院的談判辦公室就是OTN整體的推動策略以及所設定的時程跟目標持續的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2339.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2353.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
與CPTPP的成員之間的溝通遊說以及諮商工作爭取CPTPP的成員支持我國加入CPTPP並且透過現有的雙邊經貿的對話機制強化與主要的貿易夥伴進行雙邊合作逐漸累積制度性的經貿連結上的動能 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2367.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2396.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
同时透过海外贸易的推广相关的活动补助工学会等等协助台商拓展海外市场第七项是建构安全跟韧性的全球供应链经济部秉持着国内投资环境优化国内投资环境推动投资台湾的三大方案支持企业以台湾作为高阶研发营运管理关键的制造中心 |
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2397.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2400.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
建構安全而且具有韌性的全球供應鏈 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2402.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2427.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那第二部分是有關於全球全國的這個電力資源供需的報告首先報告的是第一個2025年的電力供需狀況那電力需求的部分呢2025年用電的這個需求受到AI跟新興科技應用的需求的帶動呢那還有相關的製造業用電的需求的發展所以 |
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2429.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2451.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
這個部分是有增加但是部分的傳統性產業受到地緣政治還有中國產能過剩的影響再加上我們深度節能的推動事實上產生了效果整體氣溫的變化稍微比前一年要低一點所以2025年相對於2024年的用電量是稍微減了8億度 |
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2453.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2478.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那第二個是2025年的電力的供應總共發電量大概2897億度比2024年增加了大概3億度那新增的燃氣機組包括有這個名義的森巴電塔等等的一些情況那2025年全年的備轉容量率都高於6%那供電充裕綠燈的天數達到了342天 |
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2482.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2505.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
第二大部分是有關於未來用電需求的推估我們這一次用電需求推估是參考了國際能源總署就是IEA的需求的預測做法之下考量了經濟成長率還有氣候的升溫人口的變化深度節能的政策還有需求面管理 |
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2506.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2515.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
等等的相關因素納入了這個AI資料中心跟半導體等等的新的電力需求來作為整體的推顧成長趨勢 |
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2518.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2545.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那估計這個未來10年的用電量呢基本上我們會高於估計出來會高於日韓目前的估計那整體的評估大概未來10年我們平均的這個每一年的複合成長率呢大概是2.5%葉建峰的這個平均成長率呢會是2.7那其中用電量的平均成長歷年估計還是第二高的那剛剛提到了 |
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2546.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2547.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
這個估計事實上比日本、韓國還要高 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2551.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2576.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第三個部分是有關於未來供給面的規劃首先是在整體再生能源的規劃因應國際情勢的產生我們在2024年之後啟動了二次能源的轉型以多元的綠能作為核心持續推動技術成熟的太陽光電、離岸風電並且擴大推動地熱、小水利等等的多元綠能 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2578.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2592.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
第二個部分是有關於火力基礎的開發計畫那本次的規劃未來10年新增的燃氣基礎約26個Gigawatt並且參著國際的做法將部分的廚藝的基礎轉為備用增加這個調度的彈性 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2597.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2607.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第三個是有關於中東戰事的因應策略經濟部已經過去成立了應變小組定期召開應變會議來作為討論那也度過了這一次中東戰事的難關 |
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2614.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2638.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
那所以就是說面對未來國際能源形勢的轉變國內經濟發展跟AI用電的需求經濟部每一年都會滾動來評估用電的這個需求並且結合深度節能的成效那寬估未來的十年的用電需求那透過多元發展的力能新增的燃氣基礎來作為因應以上報告敬請指教謝謝 |
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2644.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2660.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
好謝謝經濟部公務長報告 接下來請國安會請高仙貴副主委報告主席各位委員先進 大家好今天陳某貴委員會邀請本會列席就協助海外台商 |
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2661.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2680.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
的輔助措施進行專題報告那以下請就本會的業務部分提出說明近年來隨著AI產業革命美中科技競賽還有地緣政治風險的升高其實全球供應業布局已經由成本效率轉向任性客戶信任 |
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2681.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2707.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那台商具有靈活因應動態調整全球佈局的特性所以自2018年以來受到美中對峙升高AI讓潮興起美國客戶要求及在地製造的政策即使我們台商轉向全球佈局除了赴東協跟印度等西南向國家投資以外我們也進一步的向美國歐洲跟日本的民主夥伴來進行擴展 |
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2709.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2736.945 |
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然後建構更具競爭力跟韌性的全球生產跟供應網絡我們對外投資的數據可以明顯看到我們對中國大陸的投資已經從2010年的高峰146.2億美元已經降到2025年的15億美元對東協還有美國的投資也相應的擴增顯示的台商佈局已經由過去以中國大陸為重心轉向全球多元的配置 |
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那面對全球的新局我想行政團隊秉持賴總統揭示的立足台灣布局全球跟行銷全世界的四個經濟發展策略我們將以台灣作為全球營運的中心積極協助企業擴展海外市場深化跟民族夥伴的合作打造更具韌性的全球供應鏈持續提升台灣在全球供應鏈的關鍵角色 |
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國防會近年來持續推動東東歐投融資的合作機制我們在本年也提出了支持企業投資美國融資保證機制我們希望透過投資融資及信用保證等金融工具來降低企業海外投資的成本跟風險 |
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那就中東歐投融資基金來說 我們到今年的6月底呢我們的中東歐投資基金已經完成20家的投資總投資金額新台幣33億元那融資資金也有24件成功的核代然後核代的金額預計有2.25億歐元 |
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那第二個呢是企業投資美國融資的保證機制那我們已經規劃推動了這個機制然後我們邀集了公民銀行15家共同的參與然後首期的募資已經達到13.75億美元渴望促成銀行提供550億的美元融資我們希望實現以台灣模式跟美國的供應鏈合作那在自主跟投資跟商業評估的原則下呢 |
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我們可以協助台商佈局美國市場那我想面對AI革命的還有全球供應鏈重組的新局我想我們行政團隊還是會持續的優化國內的投資環境擴大企業投資台灣同時也協助企業佈局全球那鞏固台灣的企業競爭力那以上報告 敬請指教 謝謝 |
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2861.499 |
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好 謝謝國會高屋主委的報告 接下來請衛生部陳市長報告 市長檢疫要大概3分鐘謝謝 |
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主席、委員、各位女士、各位先生、大家早那麼感謝貴會邀請外交部就協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導政策輔導策略進行專題報告那麼以下我簡要報告就講具體做法部分外交部持續以這個總和外交整合產業能量協助台商 |
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拓展全球布局那麼第一個是以總和外交跟榮邦計畫引領全球布局面對全球供應鏈的重組的新局勢我們外交的工作已經不單純只是維繫邦誼更重要的是要透過外交的力量協助台灣的產業布局全球讓外交成為提升國家競爭力的重要後盾 |
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我們外交部持續推動總和外交結合外交、經貿、科技以及產業政策深化跟友邦以及理念相近國家的合作協助我國企業掌握全球佈局的契機提升台灣在全球供應鏈中的關鍵位置榮邦計畫是總和外交的重要實踐也是由故邦邁向榮邦的重要政策我們持續以健康、數位、綠色、韌性等四大核心價值為主軸聚焦半導體供應鏈韌性 |
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可信賴網路與數位治理主權AI |
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2970.964 |
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新能源跟探險合作智慧園區海外示範計畫智慧醫療跟這個健康產業以及智慧新農業以及永續觀光八大實踐計畫結合台灣的科技資金人才產業優勢將台灣的優勢那麼推向全球第二個我們強化這個政策延期跨部會協調以及駐外服務那麼協助企業因應地緣政治變化 |
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那麼我們行政院已經成立了經濟外交工作小組由外交部來擔任幕僚的單位整合跨部會資源透過雙部長會議及跨部會協調機制串聯投資經貿科技金融及人才等政策工具 |
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2991.736 |
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3016.083 |
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針對我國友邦跟美日歐等重要市場研擬推案策略我們持續與各個智庫合作分析國際經貿科技發展跟地緣政治的趨勢並且配合像台北市的國際電腦展以及SANMICOM等等的國際產會政策論壇邀集各國的政府智庫跟專家交流 |
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3016.683 |
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3042.54 |
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协助企业掌握全球产业趋势跟国际合作的这个契机那么也优化我们手上的这个政策工具强化企业海外布局的支持那么我们最近推出了这个鼓励产业鼓励业者富有邦交国家投资补助计划在本年7月1日实施修正实行那么提高了我们的补助的额度 |
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3065.932 |
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信貸幣6000萬元那麼擴大補助範圍包括員工薪資等等的這個工作都有加以補助那麼這些都是相關的一個作為那麼因為時間的關係我們這個詳細的內容已經在書面的這個報告中有提供感謝好 謝謝這部陳時長的報告 接下來請消委會請李延輝副委員長報告 謝謝三分鐘 |
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謝謝主席主席各位委員各位女士先生大家早今天感謝這個經濟委員會的邀請今天請就協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟合作的輔導策略來進行報告那這個現在呢全球地緣政治的局勢變化很劇烈海外的台商身處全球經貿的第一線面臨關稅衝擊產業轉型跟供應鏈分散的多重挑戰 |
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那橋屋專責機關橋委會呢扮演的是整合平台以及對接橋樑的角色那積極的來推動各項橋台商的輔導策略透過整合跨域資源並且強化公司協力協助建構海內外合作交流的平台 |
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进而强化台湾在全球经贸的关键地位以上仅就相关的具体辅导策略向各位委员报告说明第一点我们做的是协辅商会的壮大发展强化专业的功能海外的台商现在在本会跟经济部的共同辅导下已经成立了地区性国家级六大洲以及世界性总会的组织是服务台商企业的重要民间团体 |
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那僑委會跟所屬的各駐外單位都積極的協服商會來推動業務鼓勵商會發揮專業的功能辦理各項經貿論壇投資經驗分享政策建言商機交流跟主題博覽會等等此外呢也透過辦理商會幹部培訓 |
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接待各国商会组团反台投资考察,增进各国侨台商领袖了解国内经贸发展及台湾的产业优势,来促进海内外的连接合作第二点,我们深化全球侨台商跟台湾产官学研的对接合作目前已经与国内14所研发机构跟39所大学院校合作推动全球侨台商产业升级与技术服务方案 |
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以及全球侨台商的产学合作方案迄今已经促成了世界台商总会周济台商总会以及各国台商会跟国内相关单位就产学合作人才培训以及市场拓展等方面展开交流合作 |
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為橋台商及台灣產業提供更多的支持那第三點呢精進橋台商的經營體質辦理擴大商機交流每年呢都辦理各項的產業邀訪跟培訓活動配合六大核心戰略產業跟五大信賴產業以及AI新十大建設等推動方案辦理各個主題 |
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並且結合國內的各大重要的這個展覽來擴大海內外的鏈結那第四點呢我們也協助橋台商的資金融通透過海外信保基金來拓展事業的規模那第五點呢因應新興的投資佈局加強橋務的資源跟協助 |
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我們會持續的協服新興地區成立僑界社群強化新興地區僑台商跟僑民的聯繫服務並且運用當地的僑務資源來加速新移民融入當地深化台資企業共同來實現立足台灣佈局全球行銷全世界的國家願景那其他的書面資料請大家參照以上報告請大院委員布林指教謝謝 |
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3272.386 |
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謝謝 謝謝僑委會這個李永輝副委員長的報告 今天請陸委會請李立貞副主委做報告 時間三分鐘 謝謝 |
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3295.119 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生陳文貴委員會的邀請就這個協助海外台商的輔導策略來進行報告以下僅就涉及本會業務的部分來進行說明首先我們報告大陸的經貿情勢中國大陸的經濟長期的放緩 |
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今年是他们所谓的十五五规划的第一年那中共的官方虽然强调未来的五年他们会扩大内需提振消费还有推动市场的供需良性循环但是呢他的结构性问题很难解决所以未来经济低迷成长恐怕是会是成为新的常态 |
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中國大陸的經濟持續的下行還有房地產產業的大幅衰退還有地方財政的持續惡化這些不可預期的經濟跟金融風險都影響了在大陸投資的台上他們的投資跟經營 |
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3340.526 |
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3356.729 |
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那最近這幾年美中的競組已經是全面性的包括貿易科技等等這些全面性的競爭使得整個大陸的經濟也受到很大的挑戰另外大陸的產業這個內卷的狀況嚴重所以有過剩的產能向全球來低價請銷也加劇了全球貿易的緊張各國都 |
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3386.625 |
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纷纷的祭出联合反制的措施面对这样的地缘政治压力台商在中国大陆投资经营风险不确定性持续在升高对于在大陆投资的台商政府的辅导策略是希望能够持续的协助台商回台投资并且分散附入投资的风险 |
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3408.427 |
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目前已经将欢迎台商回台投资行动方案延到116年本会会持续向大陆的台商提供这些回台投资的相关资讯并且转介给经济部来协助具体的作为包括了台商张老师以及在地服务以及办理很多的 |
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台商投資的參訪活動並搭建他們跟亞洲台商世界台商交流的平台等等那這些書面資料請各位參閱那面對當前的政治地緣政治還有供應鏈重組區域經濟整合這些新的情勢陸委會還有海基會會持續來關懷我們台商的需求加強過去的輔導也會再研究有沒有新的方式來提供我們台商更多的協助希望 |
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台商能夠立足台灣佈局全球 行銷全世界在地緣政治跟國際雙局競爭中持續的穩健發展以上報告 謝謝好 謝謝陸委會李副主委的報告 |
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那這個另外財政部啊 還有金管會的書面資料 請各位委員參考那這個我們現在處理上次的疑似錄 請問委員上次的疑似錄是否有疏漏好 沒有錯 我們疑似錄確定好那我們現在開始進行詢答那 |
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3502.126 |
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有關本市會議各部會所提出的報告、新聞、參議業之外我們並刊登公報詢答主席作為以下的宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要時延長1分鐘回本會委員4分鐘上午10點4點截止發言登記好 首先請登記第一位 請先問委員發言 |
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主席我想請經濟部工部長部長早安我想請教一下因為今年度的經濟成長率你預估 |
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是多少因為主計總署還有各機構你應該都有了解吧主計總署是9.64那有沒有可能10以上是有一些研究機構是有推估到這個數據出來那如果10以上我想請教一下因為今年我看了一下1到5月的出口數字都是比去年度大幅度的成長你有看了嗎 |
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有大概都成長百分之四十幾將近五十接近五十是那但是這也產生了一個問題我們知道最近出口暢望的都是受惠於AI半導體相關的這樣子的一個出口但是對於我們的中小企業 |
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沒有受惠到這一波未來我們怎麼樣子協助中小企業做相關的能夠就是說能夠帶動相關的這樣的出口呢 |
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是 巴爾維園今年的狀況跟去年比較不一樣的是有一些傳統性產業包括機械業它的成長也相對於去年成長了兩位數以上 出口的部分所以跟去年比較不一樣那今年的這個內需的成長包括這個 |
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除了批發零售本來就很好之外那這個餐飲業啊或者是這個我們國內的這個購買業大概也成長了大概4個4到5個百分點算是都是全部的往生但是您剛剛提到的這個中小微企業的部分那我們現在行政院正在就是我們經濟部會提出對於這個中小企業發展條例的全盤修法 |
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那加強來針對中小微企業希望這個服務範圍把它擴大因為我們現在中小微企業大概總共大概170幾萬家那過去可以輔導的對象大概局限在這個 |
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公司跟有限合夥那這個部分大概是八十幾萬家那有更多的中小微型企業沒有受到很好的照顧那我們這一次總統在520的時候會講就是說在未來八年會額外給我們一千億的這個預算那我們會擴大這個服務的範圍那您剛剛提到就是說可以增加我們中小微這個出口的這個競爭力事實上現在我們 |
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透過這個特別預算的部分成立了這個輔導團然後增加它的除了它本身的升級轉型之外那海外拓銷或者是海外有一些參展的補助這個也在進行當中那明年開始如果這個預算可以通過的話剛剛提到了額外增加這個1000億的部分那我想海外拓銷的部分這個部分我們就可以來有更多的經費來強化那體質的提升的部分 |
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這個升級轉型跟差異化的這些產品的推出這個也是我們服務的一些重點總之就是說從這個經費上的增加然後還有就是把這些協助的範圍擴大還有法制化那這個是我們未來要走的一個方向努力的 |
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好 那再請教一下因為根據你的報告裡面你評估10年的用電成長是2.5%那夜間的是2.7%那如果 你有沒有預估過你們經濟部有沒有預估過如果針對連續一週陰雨無風的情況下這樣子的極端用電情況那怎麼樣子做 |
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任性的調整是不是 報告委員因為我們現在當然這個再增人員是我們發展的重點沒有錯那現在報告太陽光點尤其離岸風電的部分也增加了蠻多的但是 |
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至少最近幾年大型的燃氣機組還是持續的在上線當中比如說今年來講就四部的大型機組大概是5.2GW會上線這5.2GW發電量會大概佔我們接近10%的發電量額外增加出來 |
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燃氣機組它是這個調度是比較有彈性的如果說您剛才提到的陰雲或者是等到這個夜間風的時候它就會有調度的功能出來那儲能呢儲能系統呢 |
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除能系統當然我們現在就在推廣當中就是這個除電嘛就是你怎麼樣子把就是說多的餘電喔能夠除的然後來供夜間的這樣子的使用啊或者是就是成長的時候或者是沒有這個就是沒有太陽能跟風力的時候是不是對 |
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那個當然除電的部分我們是非常鼓勵民間包括企業端或是民間他們可以來用甚至於是表後儲能的部分我們甚至於還有政策上的一些鼓勵但是這個 |
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如果是台電公司的這個大型的部分它還是用這個抽氣水利也好或者是用燃氣機組來做一些調度因為它那個這個比較大型比較可以有調度的這樣的功能全國性的部分那請問一下我們液化天然氣現在儲存的天數是幾天 11天嘛 對不對 |
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正常我們大概大概會儲存12天左右12天那未來有沒有要提高因為你剛才說你燃氣要提高對我們會提高對你燃氣的基礎都提高那你未來那個天然氣儲存的那個是不是要提高我們明年會提高到14天14天是不是目標會提到14天好那我是不是謝謝那我是不是請我們國發會的高副主委 |
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喂你好高副主委好我剛才看了一下就是說我們對就是不管是對美的投資或者是對美貿易都在加強當中那現在企業赴美投資的環境有沒有國發會有沒有協助他們因為可能他們要到美國去投資就是整個生態系都過去有沒有那未來面臨的是稅務跟監管機關的這樣子的一個環境的改變那這個部分怎麼處理 |
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我想搭配我們台灣的廠商因為配合美國客戶到美國投資其實經濟部其實將來會在美國設立美國的貿易投資中心然後也會跟我們的電電工會 |
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現在在籌組這邊的類似我們類台灣的產業科學園區然後會跟美國政府進行基土基的協商解決有關於相關的土地水還有相關的行政措施方面來協助我們台商來優化他們在那邊的投資環境 |
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我知道 可是因為跟美國的政府就是說或者是州政府等等的那就是有沒有相關的間接啊然後可以快速的反應因為過去在台積電在美國設廠的時候那遭遇到很大的困難我想我們政府現在就是基土區的那一塊的協商的機制目前已經在建構中了而且已經應該有很長的溝通的管道 |
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相關的產業投資保障或者是那個稅務呢協定有嗎同步在進行同步在進行是好謝謝好非常謝謝謝一鋒委員時間掌握非常精準好下一位質詢請張嘉鈞委員謝謝主席我想請龔部長經濟部龔部長 |
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部長部長好 我們看到經濟部在7月1號就是預告修正了能源開發及使用評估準則針對5MW以上的大型資料中心 除原有的 |
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這個能源效率之外呢更增列了這個產業效益評估五項指標中央與地方聯合審查的機制那我想呢部長的這個起心動念肯定是希望說台灣可以爭取到更多的 |
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這個AI算力中心那本席今天主要是想帶著我們雲林鄉親以及許多正在努力尋求高科技轉型的縣市的期盼與心聲來向部長建議 |
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那過去台電基於電網平衡曾建議說5MW以上的資料中心可以多往中南部去發展規劃那這對於我們雲林縣來說是一個非常 |
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珍貴而且難得的契機跟機會那所以包括我們正積極在發展像您上一次上個月到雲林去看的這個雲林湖尾科學園區包括斗六科學園區斗六這個產業園區等等都是一個非常好的機會那針對這一次新增的五大產業這個效益指標究竟實際上可以幫助到地方多少 |
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八號委員是這樣因為AI將來算力很多的產業也好或者是政府也好或生活上都有這樣的需求那我們總是希望說這個AI的算力如果是這麼珍貴的話它可以產生更大的這個附加價值或產生產業效益出來所以為什麼要增加這個產業效益的評估在這裡那當然 |
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這個AI算力中心落地在哪裡最重要還是您剛剛也提到了如果附近有電源充沛的話那個是優先來做一些考量所以這個當然現在的這個電力充沛狀況來講的話南部 |
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相对于北部是稍微好一点我们是相对比较优势吧对 是的那我也希望说因为这些不管是半导体产业也好AI产业也好他们国际大厂要来投资都会评估说到底真正能不能落地那这五大的指标到底对投资方来说是一个好的 |
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還是壞的這個經濟部有沒有做過評估說會不會put them off就是看一看說這可能不大能夠落地所以就不來了呢事實上我們是鼓勵他啦這個因為現在要想要設立這個算力中心的這個企業或單位也是蠻多的啦那我們剛剛提到的從國家的角度來講的話誰可以創造出更多的這個附加價值跟產業效益出來 |
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當然我們就可以優先讓他來做一些設置那對於這個設置方來講他也會思考就是說我善立中心不只是用電上的一個需求而已我要思考就是說我跟在地的產業怎麼樣做合作讓他產生一個效益出來那這樣才可以發揮他真正的這個效益才是我們所期待的 |
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當然這個方向我們都同意那但是這地方政府跟這個國際投資的廠商目前可能會比較care會比較在意的是說這五大指標未來會不會有更具體可量化的評分標準否則這個有一點vague你知道嗎有一點很難去詳細的狀況我請那個 |
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沒事 我繼續來我也希望說如果還沒有具體的量化指標或者是評估的標準的話希望說部長這邊可以請他們把它更具體的評分標準把它設計出來這樣子大家才知道說 |
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我假設我雲林縣或者是隔壁嘉義縣大家哪裡要加強哪裡要補足我們才有一個很明確的方向去呼應我們經濟部現在的這個指標評比是了解就是說因為前三項大概是比較明確的你投資跟產業的貢獻跟金額就業人數還有產業的這個關聯性效益那這個是比較明確當然整個人工智慧的生態系還有自動安全的韌性 |
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那这个可能他要有一个具体的说明不完全是一个量化的指标但是他要说明就是说我的生态体系到底是怎么样让这个产生赋能的一些效果那或者是自动安全他做了什么样的一些相关性的一些治安上的一些准备或是怎样他可能要有一些说明 |
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為什麼本席會這樣說因為國際半導體或AI的巨頭在台灣投資最重視的就是行政程序的可預測性跟效率那我們非常期待經濟部在引導產業發展的同時能夠建立一套非常透明化非常標準化的審查指引避免讓優秀的國際投資案卡在跨部會的行政溝通上 |
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或者是這個等於是說等於是如果這樣子卡住了太可惜了也讓地方政府有一個可以更完整的配套想法甚至在招商中喔能夠有一些能夠遵循的這個準則 |
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是是是了解 謝委員提醒我們會公開透明的部分那也歡迎事實上有興趣的這些不管是企業或地方政府可以跟我們來建議也好或跟我們溝通也好我們都非常歡迎這就是本席想要建議的就是說是不是這既然都說適合在中南部是不是經濟部把這個中南部的這些縣市政府找來 |
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我也不說一定要在我們雲林縣其他的縣市一起找來可以有一個說明會讓他們知道現在經濟部的方向那這樣子的話呢對於大家自己去做一個內部的評估也比較能夠有一點效率 |
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好的 好不好 這一點拜託部長另外其中有一點我還是想要提醒部長在審查的時候有關於第三點就是就業人數的部分這個像AI算力或資訊中心它的特性就是沒有可能像封測廠或傳統製造廠一樣有那麼多的就業人數 |
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那我想但是他帶來的非直接效益資訊人才回流啊地方產學合作甚至對我們中南部的這個傳統農業這個地方的傳統製造業的轉型升級是一個關鍵的資產是不是這個你說就業人數的部分我們那個就業人數不是講的那個是 |
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直接去蓋那個人數 不是它是產業產業效應比如說你是AI算力用在這個智慧農業上那因為智慧農業產生了多少效應多聘用的這些什麼樣的人才來改善農業對 這個才是我們的重點OK OK 我覺得這樣子才是正確的方向我也很擔心想說它算力中心是可以清洗的我們是要讓它產生應用的這個效應出來完全同意 謝謝部長 謝謝好 謝謝張教軍委員資訊好 請部長回座 |
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好 下位質詢 請洪運祥委員謝謝主席然後接下來的話呢 我想我先請這個外交部請外交部陳市長委員長 |
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因為這次陪同院長去美國稍微也跟各位在座的稍微說明一下大概台積電目前的亞利桑那廠的話一廠大概已經是投入量產 |
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那預計的話二廠的話大概就是所謂的3奈米然後再來後續的話應該就3、4、5、6、7然後再來就是到這個一廠的話就是本來它高階封裝COVAX是要兩座現在目前的話暫定是一座那它在北區的話是大概1100畝南區的話大概是900畝了那我們也跟台積電 |
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跟這個當地的帶過去的供應廠商去看他們有什麼困難、問題那其中第一個他們談了很多不管是關稅、法規、用地、人力融資所以我先請這個外交部來就是他們反映的 |
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就是因為我們常常會有一些工程師需要做短期的派駐從這個廠物製程設備這些等等想請外交部一下請問台積電這些赴美廠商大概使用哪一類的簽證不曉得熟不熟悉他們理論上如果要工作需要使用B1 B2簽證 |
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應該這樣講他應該用的是E2的一個簽證也就是他走的這一個東西是叫Treaty Investor的Visa我們一般就叫條約投資人的簽證因為他是有投資的那這個地方的好處來講就是他沒有名額的限制然後的話審核跟出境快速 |
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因為E2的Visa的簽證的話基本上它並不透過本土的移民局也就是USCIS它基本上是在台協會AIT的審理就可以另外一個很重要的配偶他可以拿EAD他可以做這個合法的一同赴美做合法的工作但現在的困難就是說外交部要去協助 |
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因為不只台積電還有供應的廠商這個E2的簽證的visa的approval平均六個月太久所以它並不是一個常駐的一個形態的一個公司就是說我們在美國投資那麼多人那外交部在這個地方我覺得你們要掌握狀況因為它除了E2以外可能它也可以用L1就L1A或L1B |
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那個當然是在高階主管或資深工程師在台積電工作滿一年所以我為什麼請你上來的話就是說希望你注意這個E2的這個Approve我們現在馬上這個亞利桑那社館相關的這個協助我們這個赴美投資相關的這個因為主要是要跟AIT溝通希望他們加速審理好不好 |
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這個再回去等一下我再給你一個報告再給我就是看你怎麼去加速它好嗎好來 下一位我們請這個財政部財政部是今天是代表是你副市長你副市長 |
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好這個東西我們去的時候呢也是一個很大的問題所有的這個台商包含台積電供應鏈以及台積電的員工等等也就是說在這個台美雙重科稅的優惠一般我們就稱為這個有人叫台美避免雙重科稅的一個協定叫ADTA那主要來講的話呢就是因為我們跟美國並沒有正式的當交所以你沒辦法簽署常規的雙邊租約嘛 |
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所以在美國眾議院的話基本上他針對這件事情他可能就透過國內的稅制法去做改但現在的問題廠商的反應就是說這個東西呢2025年1月眾議院 |
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美國衆議院已經高票通過但現在卡在這個參議院我不曉得財政部跟剛剛外交部或者是相關部會有沒有什麼樣的努力的一個措施當然也包含經濟部就一定財政部先回答看看跟委員報告這個租稅協定的這部分財政部持續跟外交部還有駐美代表處都在積極的努力推動中 |
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對 但是你的做法是什麼就是因為他現在 我現在要問你好了他卡在參議院哪一個委員會外交部知道嗎財政委員會但是他主要是有一個參議員他對於所有的這個稅的東西他都不通過所以現在我們的 我們的做法是說第一個我們請財政部已經去跟美國財政部對接然後我們把所有的這個行政的程序都做好 |
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那麼以後的這個配套的東西都已經準備好那我們持續的去對這個美國國會進行說服我們希望現在給的回應就是說因為這是一個比較小的一個立法所以他們必須要去找一個好的一個他們叫Vehicle來做包在其他裡面 |
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對 這是說因為你講的都是過程啦就是說我們還是要加速啦因為台商一直complain啦因為這個包含你的這個投資的稅率的規範也包含員工啊它這個是雙重課稅嘛因為它現在預扣稅的話是差不多30%嘛那在這個法案的話它可以當到10%嘛包含股利股息的話大概10到15%啦 |
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所以我覺得這些的數字或者是你怎麼去針對遊說團體去加速這樣的反彈的進出現在我們的策略大概會在那個期中旬雨之後新一屆的這個上來之前你已經拖很久所以可能要加油啦好不好我是點出問題就是說你這個東西就是廠商的痛啊好不好再來另外的話再請經濟部經濟部國務省 |
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進入這邊的話廠商這邊的話現在的話問題也很重重重的抱怨就是說我們在台灣我們都知道科學園區的經驗但是現在初期的話你知道這個我們大概像台積電來講的話它建廠的成本大概是台灣的幾倍部長清楚嗎有不同的說法有些是超過70%你問過台積電嗎有些是你問過台積電嗎 |
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因為我之前在台積電當董事的時候他們因為隨著時間經過那個算法也有不太一樣我現在差不多告訴你他剛開始初期大概是差不多7到8倍左右慢慢降到4到5現在的話大概2倍多一點那基本上這個是台積電但供應商的更可怕供應商大概是7.7到8 |
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就是他講的供應商就包含材料那些所以我是覺得美國有他們自己的困難控股有沒有這個經驗我想要問的是說經濟部對這一個科學園區你怎麼去協助啦尤其是在我們的工項投資跟這一個跟美國這邊的協議不曉得有沒有規劃報委員如果供應鏈端的話 |
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就是我們現在跟TIMA正在合作嘛那有可能會在Alerona還有另外在德州的部分可能會各設一個TIMA的這個供應鏈園區啦那一個是for那個AI server的部分一個for半導體的部分那因為我們進去以後啊就會使得他的建造成本會下降個別的這個中小企業的部分因為基礎建設我們大概都先會幫他處理好 |
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我覺得我還是要求剛剛這些書院報告包含外交部這些然後財政部等等的課稅然後你們科學園區的規劃包含這些工項跟台美雙方的預算規劃跟時程因為台商這邊額外負擔成本很重 |
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在外交部他之前的回函我是不太滿意台灣是晶片小偷之前又再講又都60%的我還是希望你們那個外交部給我再更好的回答然後第五個就是融資的協定的法治來源這個也請國發會一直報告都還沒交出來謝謝謝謝洪耀祥委員請大家先回座下位置請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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主席 再讓委員先進 列席的政府金融市場官員會長 公眾夥伴 媒體記者女士先生首先先請我們僑委會理副主委然後請經濟部鞏部長和能源署吳署長及台灣中油方董事長準備經濟部鞏部長 能源署吳署長 中油方董事長 |
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謝謝委員長副主委今天主席特別安排這一場關心海外的台商那我這邊請你看一下就是說在我們海外國人他們最引以為傲的就是台灣的健保但是在國外能不能享受健保的服務呢您所了解的 |
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目前可以嗎?國人在海外可以享受健保的服務嗎?是,也是可以的那你所知道怎麼樣去服務台商?我們在那個有一些國家跟地域其實都有這個遠距醫療的服務那在尤其是在這個COVID的那段時間有建立起了這樣的機制我幫副主委複習一下啦,事實上是在COVID之後因為COVID當中,我們衛福部有一個視訊醫療診查辦法 |
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他修改後將海外工作的國人也納入到的適用範圍所以現在我們在亞洲地區我們陸續跑了好幾場告訴台商說如果你是有慢性病處方籤你可能不需要每三個月回來國內拿藥透過這樣的一個網路上透過一個APP的下載就可以得到衛福部 得到健保署 得到他那種服務那這個未來是不是繼續要擴大宣傳 |
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是謝謝委員的關心委員了解的非常的精確如果說當地的醫院可以跟我們合作我們有簽名合作的MOU的話其實我們也很鼓勵這樣子的服務可以一直拓展那另外最近大家最關心的就是民族團結進步促進法 |
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剛剛遇到一個王逸川委員他這個週末剛好去泰國參加台商的活動他們台商就很關心這些北京的跨境鎮壓在通過了民族團結進步促進法之後在他們國內對企業事業組織單位內發生破壞民族團結進步的行為要追究法律責任很多台商不只在中國在其他國家都有設廠那請問僑委會對於這樣的台商朋友他們在這個法律通過有什麼樣的宣導告訴他們一些指引嗎 |
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謝謝委員的關心的確最近的這個聲音跟意見很多那僑委會最近這一陣子都在持續的蒐集我們海外各個僑區的意見我們會馬上來演你來發佈那希望快一點因為呢目前在有些東南亞的台商因為跟中國距離較近這些國家也受到中共的影響包括泰國柬埔寨都不例外 |
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是 我們希望這部分呢喬委員能夠趕快有所的行動好不好是 謝謝委員好 那接下來我們請我們的經濟部那彭部長還有兩位署長跟董事長那麼彭部長 |
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那目前呢中國的廠商到東南亞銷價競爭因為內捲的關係啊他們大量的去競逐那當然中國是一個能源的依賴國但是在我們亞洲地區的台商不管是在做這個消費電子產品的還是金屬加裝的還是塑膠橡膠的紡織的球鞋的那都受到原料物料的波動那緊急循環任性不足那你認為我們台廠在海外的台商要如何強化他的任性呢 |
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报告委员我们希望就是说如果台商朋友他可以现在我们一直在强调有一些是非农供应链会建构民主的供应链而且这件卖到的部分是主要是比如说美国市场 |
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那對於中國的這個原物料或中國的產品是比較不容易進去的那可以跟我們怎麼樣來共同國內的這些供應鏈把它整合起來那我們來看一下其實呢有些多元的投資啊因為我們看到過去傳產傳產我們說傳產好像跟我們的半導體產業有區隔像在AI的快速發展需求擴張之後 |
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原來的包括半導體的這個基礎的包括硫酸清洗PCB的材料 金屬的加工 樹脂或者是塑膠這個原來被歸類傳統範疇的呢 通通加入供應鏈了那他們因為擴廠所需啊 需要土地跟資源那在國外呢 在東南亞地區呢像這些屬於成熟製程或所謂的傳產在海外擴廠你認為是不是也可以帶動海外台商的轉型 |
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從原來的船產跨足到現在類似半導體的其他的基礎性的一些供應需求是 我們也希望海外的台商他也可以升級轉型然後可以創造比較多的副駕駕駛那目前我們以無人載具做例子 |
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其實目前很當紅其實大家以為溫宅就是一個先進的技術需要晶片、光學的鏡頭、雷達但是呢,實質上有很多傳產或者成熟製程為了應付少量多樣用3D列印需要長程的一個供給他可能用傳統的二行車引擎或者是小型的渦輪噴射引擎 |
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甚至為了大量的製造他可能用塑膠射出他可能用模具沖壓這些都是台灣目前傳產的長項你認為這些台灣的傳產有沒有可能在無人機產無人載具產業這樣的一個需求之下也不只在台灣也在東亞鄰近國家也去設廠生產製造跟組裝 |
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對 報告委員這是有可能 因為我們最重要是 主要是非紅那因為有一些如果它是一個成本比較低價的部分那如果它可以在東南亞製造 跟我們形成一個供應鏈關係那事實上是在價格優勢也是可以創造出來的那您認為東南亞哪些國家跟我們未來有這樣的合作的潛力 |
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我們現在當然也會跟外交部來做一些合作啦現在外交部有一個無人載具無人機的一個策略聯盟的推動執行小組嘛我知道他們最近也飛到了日本、韓國還主張說要採取共同的規格是 |
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過去來講當然是台商朋友他現在來講比如說越南現在是這一波台商是比較進去比較多的那這個我們將來看跟在地的台商怎麼樣來做合作但是未來比如說像菲律賓因為他離我非常近為什麼要去過菲律賓好幾次了嘛只差我們沒有在那邊見面而已對 |
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那非常近嘛那將來也許那現在TIMA又宣布了說有可能在那邊也會成立園區那就有可能把這些剛剛提的無人載具啊或其他的部分的供應鏈跟我們來做一些連結跟結合起來是不是讓陳市長也答一下你們那個有一個無人機的小組啊我看執行長呢也很積極的在日本他們也說希望能夠發展共同的規格是 |
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這就是我們的整個無人機外交的一部分我們現在已經內部成立專責小組那麼來我們也積極的是跟各國洽是說我們希望在這個規則的制定上面能夠合作 |
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也跟經濟部配合在廠商上面不管是用供應鏈的方式或者是說用這個銷售的方式現在尤其是說在銷售端的話我們現在在這個東歐那麼有很多的這個進展那我們的企圖心是說希望之後能夠把Exponential能夠帶來台灣好 謝謝來 那繼續我要請教能源的問題請問廣布長還有我們的署長跟重要的董事長現在世界各國都剛陪我們主席去從韓國回來一趟 |
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那麼我們綠青呢是再生能源但它成本高轉換率低灰青目前國內有在應用但是它沒有碳補儲的話呢它可能還不是潔淨能源但是木乃伊主流那您所了解鄰近國家他們如何解決未來氫能的發展困境 |
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報委員那當然將來如果再生能源有比較大的量情況下他是可以利用再生能源來轉換這個水的電解嘛那這個是一個部分但是通常也有因為用 |
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這邊提到的進口跟運輸的問題也可以啊我跟部長提醒一下啦其實韓國跟日本跑得很早日本專注於燃料電池跟氫能車韓國很快的在在守穩了很大量的加氫戰但是我們去拜訪他們國務院也說到雖然他們在這樣的一個交通公共設施有大的佈局但遇到一個量不足進來的量不足所以像日本他甚至跟澳洲甚至跟加拿大的訂約要從澳洲的 |
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那個光電轉換的這個氫能或者是說加拿大豐富的水利未來轉換的氫能輸送到日本那我想往下來看最後呢要請一下部長能不能這個敲碗那個部分我就不再講了那個經濟部能不能對於部分高科技成熟製程赴東南亞擴廠的可行性提出一個書面報告 |
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好的那另外呢你們對於是不是責成我們恩怨署跟台電跟中友啊就未來台灣發展青能參考日韓的經驗能不能將他們發展過程中遇到一些不足的我們可以預先的去做些準備可以可以好謝謝謝謝四位謝謝主席好謝謝宗教兵委員請請大家先回座消費資金請陳廷銘委員 |
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我們請經濟部工部長陳委員長工部長好我想先感謝你7月6號親自到了我們台南然後去做第一時間的會開那我相信你在現場應該聽到大家說真的有一點憤怒因為淹水一定會是這個 |
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尤其三野溪说真的就是整治三年原本大家认为说再怎么擦还有十年不会这么快三年就到了这样一个淹水无法控制的状况 |
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所以說難怪他們會有一些不滿怨氣所以這也是我一直在說的我們一定要再把一些關鍵瓶頸把它做一個解決如果關鍵瓶頸做解決了那前面你的治水 |
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人民才會有感才會有效益然後才不會讓大家說嘴那這一次其實為什麼他們會那麼多的憤怒因為說真的在這一次太乙工業區我們那天去的是太乙工業區太乙工業區跟保安其實說真的在這個工業區的範圍裡面這一次損害非常非常的嚴重 |
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所以他們也一直希望說是否他們可以或許在這一次都是小範圍然後的一個災損嚴重的狀況所以這一次仁德工業區就是一個小範圍就是一個工業區的災損非常嚴重包括仁德整個區塊那麼他們現在就在說 |
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那這一次受災的廠商是不是可以比照當然我知道在我們當時是有所謂的特別條例那這一次是沒有但是我們絕對不希望說每一次的災害都變到大到必須要用特別條例的狀況所以我們希望說應該要 |
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等同是不是丹娜斯那時候所有的中小企業其實他們因為災害受損嚴重所以我們有一些利息補貼或是原有貸款的減息補貼或是振興產業的各種建設修復的部分這個部分到底是有沒有辦法 |
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朝著這個方向來協助報告委員禮拜一事實上我回去就去詢問了這個有沒有可能性那同仁跟我講說關鍵原因不是在這個特別條例而是說行政院有沒有宣布那個是屬於災區如果有宣布的話那按照相關法令是可以有利息的減免的因為就是沒有宣布關鍵就是在這裡但是 |
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因為中央的所謂認定災區如果他不認定災區請問中央要怎麼補貼那一萬五不可能啊他一定是有認定災區啊所以他才有補助給地方所以我們50公分以上我們市政府有一條補助中央有一條補助啊 |
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那個沒有就不需要宣布只要地方政府認定他受損的這個家戶他有超過50公分的話那列冊到我們中央我們中央就會那部長等我再請教我要怎麼樣去申請說所謂列為災區 |
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這個程序到底要從哪邊開始因為在我們 像我自己也認為這樣啊我今天已經到達50公分以上了那我基本上如果不是災區我怎麼可以到達50公分以上可以讓中央來補貼我這所謂的一萬五 |
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所以我認為這個就是災區但是你們這個補貼貸款利息補貼貸款的減免利息減免還有所謂的產業振興等等基礎建設的修復這個部分要認定為災區是這樣好不好那個委員我把您的意見向行政院表達因為災區的認定是行政院在認定的我把您的想法跟意見然後也做一些表達因為 |
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一般 我就說嘛 連我剛剛部長所說的我都有很多的confuse 都覺得怎麼可能明明已經都是50公分以上 中央都已經補貼我們50公分以上就是一萬五 那地方政府再另外一筆補貼都這樣了怎麼可能 我們在這個區塊沒有被認定為災區 |
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所以拜託部長是不是可以給我們知道我們的程序要怎麼走這個SOP要怎麼走如果說因為我們沒有認定災區而沒辦法來作為這所謂的貸款利息補貼的話我們來補程序 |
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好不好 我們來補程序那另外一個部分就是說那天我們有去看到微電網的部分就是說我們能源署有去報告未來我們的方向那當然這個也是因為有特別條例所以預算可能會比較多可是未來沒有特別條例的時候怎麼辦 |
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那個內水已經有在規劃一個公建的計劃公建計劃通常是四年期一起嘛那會提供給這個國發會來做審議那如果通過的話就可以按照這個計劃來編定至少是四年期的這個預算比較穩定性的來推動所以你們已經提給了國發會這個公建計劃 |
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4年40億的計畫所以這個很重要我只是要因為我們到地方看完之後然後我們本身又是丹納斯第一線受損嚴重的縣市所以我們非常清楚說那接近20天沒有電的 |
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所以我覺得這個部分就是說我們台南我們有這些那個data就是說我們哪邊是最後 |
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當我們所有的電線桿都恢復之後可是它是最尾端還沒有辦法有電可以供應的表示它是電的最尾端然後還有我們的這個收容中心如何結合我們區公所所以我們大概 |
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跟市政府有一個方向就是我們大概每一區尤其在這一次我們丹納斯脆弱的區塊我們一定都要一個地方有一個微電網去做一個搭配去做一個對接的方式以防萬一所以這個部分我覺得對我們很重要所以拜託這個公建計畫的部分四年的公建計畫希望 |
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國發會可以把我們地方的聲音拜託經濟部完全的表達 聯約署完全的表達讓我們可以看到這個方向 好 謝謝謝謝陳英文委員 請部長先回座我們在李毅霖委員資訊 我可以休息六分鐘好 下一位資訊請楊瓊怡委員 |
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謝謝主席 楊麒麟發言 我們請工部長經濟部工部長 |
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我們在針對台電離岸風電二期的進度呢我們上次有討論過那當時是在5月20所以在21跟22號到現在那當時的大幅報導到現在49天那請問部長剩下的30座這個風機安裝了幾座請教 |
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我跟委員報告請教安裝幾座經過了49天現在我們已經在跟那個風機安裝的廠商因為富威跟他們的合約中止所以請教目前目前從5月20本期質詢的時候到現在4949天 |
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安裝了幾座 有沒有你告訴我有還是沒有就好 我們再繼續討論我們現在已經在進行新的預約階段預約完他就開始動員安裝風機所以請問到目前為止有沒有在安裝風機因為我們的承包商 有沒有 告訴我有還是沒有 沒關係承包商沒有合約 所以就不會安裝風機 |
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所以到520到現在49天也就是說那個部長說的就是安裝把它安裝上嘛所以到目前為止沒有安裝半座嘛對不對 |
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目前的現況是不是如此沒關係你告訴我你告訴我是不是當目前所以沒有安裝好沒有安裝接下來我要請教部長你有沒有看過台電跟陳蘭這個商的這個合約有沒有看過部長你有沒有看過 |
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部長不需要看這個部長不需要看 但是你要知道好 本席告訴你依照合約113年要完成風力發電機組下部的結構設置那包括了水面下的海欄跟水下的機組第二個 |
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依據合約114年要完成風機安裝跟工程竣工第三個合約寫得很清楚施工區域氣象條件跟施工的環境應該要記錄規劃施工的時程所以台電跟業者不可以以這兩項為推託這是第三個請教部長剛剛 |
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您說的到目前為止我們上次520討論到現在49天沒有再安裝半部那請問今年風機會不會安裝來 請做說明我們現在在跟風機安裝你說不用部長你看到我現在告訴你來 請問今年的風機會不會安裝 |
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我們在台電公司因為富威出了狀況他被他被風機商終止了合約現在是台電依照我們跟富威的合約再跟風機廠商預約那這個預約預約完成就會開始動員安裝風機我們希望所以請問請問部長我還是要請問部長因為大家都期待所以今年風機會不會安裝上去 |
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請教部長今年會開始安裝風機今年會開始安裝這是台電董事長你說的部長會不會 |
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議約嘛齁 台電公司還要跟這個施作廠議約不是 議約也不能太急 你要議約好不能太急民眾急啊你要必須依法去執行啊剛剛我已經告訴你了113你要做什麼 114你要做什麼啊對不對 議合約啊所以我告訴你部長部長不要只當一個玩 淒樂 玩 |
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不要只當一個玩樂高積木不要只做一個樂高部長一定要加油來 再請教罰金的部分罰金的部分那麼每天一座是要罰105萬所以一天30座是3150萬那這些都是納稅錢 那請問有沒有開罰 |
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請問有沒有開罰 部長有沒有開罰委員 逾期的罰款台電已經通知就是我們的合約廠商就是富威能源他們已經逾期我們會依照契約來你現在發了多少 |
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請問你還多少 等一下委員請問 要記一個數就是我要確定他延期預計多少現在還沒開罰嗎現在還沒開罰嗎你通知要開罰現在也在台電手下你通知要開罰你會不會還多少我們還沒有完全確定預計還沒有完全確定我再告訴你 |
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你還沒有完全確定 你有通知要幹嘛 沒關係不是片段接 我們實務來討論 我們實務來討論我們實務來討論 請你回答本席的提問在網的資料 你應該看 在網資料台電二期工程進度嚴重落後的情況之下 在第四項 |
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在第四項說明得非常清楚依照合約以上各項工程已將該地地區氣象條件以及施工環境影響因素納入考王對不對你們會罰款的這是確定你們會罰款什麼時候罰款什麼時候告訴社會大眾我們已經通知對方我們要罰款通知對方在現在的工程款 |
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工程款保證金都在台電手上我們都扣著沒有給他好你現在請問多久時間你可以計算出來不管你說的預期可以告訴我們你要開發多少我們現在最重要是風機要執行它的安裝請證證本集的提問你說要通知開發你要開發什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你預計你計算也好什麼時候多久時間可以告訴社會大眾你會開發多少 |
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我們要確定後續的工作要延多少時間我們才會做出明確的餘期的時間給我們一個時間點沒關係我們那個叫餘期罰款我現在風機要重新來做安裝的工作所以我是不是需要一點時間來確定餘期的多少時間那他的罰款的上限包含餘保金等等現在全部都在我們手上 |
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請你告訴我們你計算也好你各種方式也好請你多久時間可以告訴社會大眾你會開發多少什麼時間你告訴我時間就好了所有的工程執行需要工程執行到一個階段明確的時間我們就會做我們不做這個事台電會依照合約來執行我們拭目以待我們拭目以待好來 |
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部長 除了台進的二期工這個零進度之外呢 那這個承攬商還有一個讓位了喎佑德風場 它在前年呢 它是評審第一名的但是 現在暗藍下市了前年評審第一名 現在暗藍下市了前部長 你有沒有看到這個報紙 你有沒有看到這個報導因為 本期諮詢過呢 連續的事故慣犯為了要逃避411億的全部的雲林風場 |
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那之前我們劉志強委員也質詢過他說了空手套白狼那他的老闆天豐新能源集團請問現在外界在傳他說曖昧的說表態要來收購股權那逃避經濟部你的省巢跟你的這個監督來收購浪尾樓就是這個悅德風場部長你怎麼看你怎麼看部長 |
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這種政策決策式的 已經大家都在傳的你不可能再說 這個不是我部長 沒有到我這裡啊請教部長 本期就告訴你現在業者傳 媒體傳 那就怎麼辦呢請教 本期要聽聽你的看法沒有 實際上他要怎麼做 他要來跟我們行政部門確定來談 這個才確認 |
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那外面的說法 這個都是他們的說法好 所以本席給你一個結論因為雲林風潮它違反了這個行政契約耽誤了五年才完工第二個它違法的事故三次違法的事故第三個是逃避411億因為這411億是人民的納稅錢所以部長 |
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在三次的僑罰金跟三次的事故的這個會議當中我想你旁邊的好旁邊的這個台電董事長都非常的清楚他不是就前幾天發言的遠能的董事長羅副業嗎他全程的參與耶所以本席要請問411億剛剛董事長有說你們會開罰但沒有辦法給我們時間點跟我們給數字所以要請問會不會追討到底 |
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還是輕輕放下 請教只要有按照合約就一定按照合約來走按照合約好啊 該罰就罰謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝楊全英委員時間掌握非常好來 下一位資訊請李毅林委員 |
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謝謝主席 請工部長 |
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議員好部長美國的對等關稅政策舉其不定在今年的2月面對著美國最高法院裁定全球性的關稅政策是違法的所以馬上川普總統就引用了1974年的這個貿易法第122條對世界各國加徵了10%的關稅還有疊加的這個稅率 |
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那後續美國又繼續的透過了1974年的貿易法第301條的強迫勞動跟結構性的產能過剩作為進行調查再次進行調查他在7月底完成之後他希望在7月底在122的條款他到期之後的話可以由301條的條款繼續的向世界各國課徵這關稅那可見的這個 |
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調查結果出來的話台灣有可能就會被課徵這10%的關稅對不對那這樣課了10%關稅這個整個世界的這個國際的這個經貿的這個局勢變動是不是我們能夠決定跟控制的但是我們可以提出來因應的這個措施來協助我們國家的這個進出口的這個 |
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出口產業的這個競爭力可以協助他們對於我們在世界各國打拚的台商降低他們的風險我這個說辭部長你認同嗎認同認同現在有兩個方向就是說我們還是要鞏固之前跟美國我們談好這個ART裡面的 |
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內容跟決定我們要鞏固這些部分當然當初已經講好的部分雖然那個法源的這個依據雖然做了改變但是那個結果不要改這個我們會來跟美國做助手最重要是幫助產業啦所以在去年這個關稅政策的時候我們有編特別預算460億就是對於國內這個產業做他們的後盾讓他們能夠去打拼嘛去有競爭力跟這個去能夠有訂單 |
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那在這部分的話我本席看到的話我們對國內有協助但是在國外已經有有些台商在國外已經有工廠在生產的部分的話我們的琢磨是非常非常的少那這部分的話我們經濟部有什麼幫忙可以協助的嗎 |
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報告委員現在我們還是就是秉持著立足台灣之外要佈局全球那佈局全球的話我們會協助台商朋友們順利的落地當地然後還有營運可以運轉所以不是說一定要鼓勵他們回台投資啦也讓他們在這個既有的這個地方的基礎之下能夠繼續的深耕海外的市場對不對是 |
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但是我們也希望說它跟國內可以國內的產生一個很好的供應鏈關係那因為我們這個供應鏈是比較有韌性的我想對台商朋友在海外也是有很大的幫助對 他們很多在國內本來就有母公司在國外是子公司所以之後是產業鏈是可以相關聯的所以我們要全力的來協助那這個部分我們今年經濟部有在 |
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各國成立了這個台灣貿易投資中心海外各國都有這就是來幫助我們台商在國外不管是法規面的問題還是這個稅率的這些問題來協助他們那世界各國都有但是我們看到在我們的投資方面來看在中國大陸的投資在2025年的話我們看到它的對海外投資只剩 |
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只投資了15億美元對海外投大概是3.8%如果我們累計計算的話他大概是投資了2000億的美元那在這一部分的話我們經濟部對在大陸投資的台商他面臨的一些困難需要協助的地方我們有什麼因應的措施 |
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報告委員現在的確台商在新的在中國的這個投資部分即確是下降的非常多了那但是他還有持續的這個免電過去已經投資的部分才在營運當中那這個部分當然透過 |
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如果說有什麼樣的需求的情況的話我們還是會予以協助啦那這現在比較困難的就是說像我們在跟其他國家我們政府對政府之間可以有互相溝通的機會來協助台灣的廠商在海外但是現在我們跟中國這個政府對政府的這個溝通管道都委會 海協會 海基會都沒辦法已經是比較困難了可是還是要協助啦 |
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因為法規的變動跟稅務方面的問題等等都是他們面臨的困難尤其是對於海外投資在中國大陸我們就占了42%占了很多所以我們經濟部還是要提出一些協助的辦法好不好不要視而不見讓他們自生自滅不會不會不會 |
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好不好好所以這個我們經濟部要再加強的那還有就要請問一下這個我們電穩定供電的這個國家經濟發展是最重要的命脈是這穩定供電大家說穩定供電我們也編了很多的預算給台電不管是強韌電網還是很多的預算都有那現在因為是我們這個產業半導體跟AI的產業是急需要用電的部分 |
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那有很多產業來跟我講他們如果超過了這個5MW或者是20MW都要被他們趕到台南那個綠電那邊去所以我們的北部的地方都不歡迎他們來那很多產業還是希望能夠在北部因為機場在北部 是那個物流 |
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整個運輸各方面都在北部所以我們希望我們的產業能夠努力的在發展這電力上能夠穩定的來供電所以我們看到我們這一期的全國電力資源供需的報告每次我們供需的報告都會說到哪一年哪一月份那這一期的話只有年沒有月是不是因為我們都一直延宕 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
10年了每一年都算到年底都算到年底不是叫年底在這一次的話你們說以台中的這個電廠的新燃氣的話一號機本來是說要在這個3月的現在也變成5月 |
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是不是還有新達的部分的話說二號機要在這五月的話現在還不知道幾月開始運用運轉那個是單部機組的這個併網時間啊但是我們看那個發電量的部分大概都是看一整年啊看一整年所以你說這樣把月份就拿掉了以前的報告是有到月份就是這一期的報告就沒有到月份所以你們知道會延宕會不如如期啦是不是 |
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不會啦 今年的這個四部機組大概都會今年就會準時併網了沒有問題今年年底之前因為我們看到整個電網的發展的話在這次的並沒有把這個核電列入只有把這個我們的再生能源跟那個燃氣的部分那我們希望要穩定供電那因為剛剛有提到這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
生威他們的財務虧損所以他6月份就已經下市了那佑德風場的話又已經停滯不前現在美商的背景的這個天鋒他有意來併購那是不是有可能併購之後的話會如期在2029年的話併網發電 |
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7199.974 |
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那個因為我們還沒有接到相關的這個正式的這個訊息所以我沒有辦法去評論說他會不會這樣子做因為風電整個工程費用非常的龐大我們希望在在已經在努力要合作的部分的話不要都停滯不前 |
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我們非常需要力電所以這部分的話請部長多多關心好不好當然我們就是有合約就按照合約來走那如果合約解了以後有新的做法我們也可以來推動總是離岸豐電的這個政策我們會持續往前推動所以一些照合約走我們看到合約的話很多這些產業的話需要下市要併購產 |
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要虧損的情形是這樣 他們不做了我們都一直被這個困擾糾紛著的話我們的電力無法穩定 這個是讓我關心的不要一個合約就放到那邊 用合約就保護你們了所以我們要積極努力 好不好穩定供電產業才能夠發展好的 好 謝謝好 謝謝李議員 請大家回座好 現在休息六分鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
感谢观看 |
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7621.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
好 請列席官員先請回座我們下去開會消費資源請鄭天才委員 |
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7635.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
主席有請國安會高副主委還有行政國家發展基金管理會副執行長副執行秘書王副執秘今天這個召委安排協助海外台商因應地緣政治變化及區域經濟整合之輔導策略 |
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7665.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7680.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
在國發會的報告裡面比較強調的就是企業投資美國融資保證的機制這個還特別提到這個協助半導體及 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7683.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7705.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
相關的供應鏈等赴美投資企業取得資金這裡面也提到這個推動企業投資美國融資保證機制這個裡面特別提到這個目前總共計15家公民銀行表態參與首期方案募資首期專案款總計可達13.75億美元 |
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7709.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7737.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
渴望促成銀行提供550億美元融資在這樣的一個報告裡面你們特別強調美國但是怎麼樣去跟美國說明該反應的時候要反應譬如說這個美國總統川普最近 |
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7738.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
第六度發言說台灣拿走了百分之百的晶片產業誓言在卸任前讓美國掌握全球百分之四十至六十的晶片製造所以在這樣一個情形之下我們還一直我們沒有反對當然企業當然會自己考量 |
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但是政府怎麼樣去因應相關的這些我們一直很相信我們的企業但是政府機關要有怎麼樣一個眼見是很重要的我就舉例子當初的眼見蔣經國、孫運賢、李國鼎剛剛川普特別提到 |
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我们的晶片他们认为是我们偷走的他讲了六次我们回顾台湾科技产业的发展1973年1973年成立工业技术研究院1973年也就是民国62年他是什么样的一个台湾的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
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情勢那時候還是以反攻大陸為主的年代那個年代所以整個國家的資金的投入基本上那個年代都是以國防為主但是蔣經國孫運璇李國鼎等 |
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當然主要就是這個孫燕璇李國鼎還有當時的經濟部部長他們去推動然後蔣經國願意支持同意支持以那個年代當然都是總統說了算啊對不對所以 |
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會在那個年代去1973年成立工業技術研究院1975年引進美國RCA公司的半導體技術引進了那算不算偷啊這個副主委我想大家都知道台灣半導體產業 |
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崛起的整個歷程它是歷經的三四十年包括在政府的扶植科學研究的成立還有我們企業的積極研發投資下總體的成果那當然絕對不是我們就是所謂的我們偷走他們的基礎我想這些歷史都有記錄而且都有跡可循也不是個人的一些言語就可以抹殺這些事實 |
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那個年代會願意引進相關的科技人才回來很多去美國念書的培育大量的IC科技人才還成立了新竹科卸研區1979年民國68年1985年孫玉璇邀請張忠謀擔任工研院的院長 |
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然後成立1986年成立這個台灣集體電路製造有限公司我很早就當公務員了那時候我們就掌管台灣省政府包括中央就想辦法邀請聘他們回來當高級的業聘人員就只要去美國念書的回來回來不要留在那邊是這樣的一個政策 |
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所以才會讓我們的整個科技產業經濟發展所以國發會要有這樣的一個眼見因為時間的關係這個我就跳到 |
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上次我有質詢國發會主委他的回應我是認為真的國發會要加油了主委的回應產業創新條例第一條為促進產業創新改善產業環境提升產業競爭力特進本條例而所稱產業農業工業及服務業等 |
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這裡面29條產業創新條例29條為加速產業創新加值促進經濟轉型及國家發展要設置行政院應設置國家發展基金它是加速產業創新加值促進經濟轉型及國家發展我們看這個臨日供給 |
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連日供給花了這麼多錢包括文化部補助7000多億國發基金投資4000多萬元文化部是7000多萬了這國發基金投資4000多萬元這樣的一個我提出來說這跟產業創新 |
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這個真的是對產業創新真的是需要去檢討我們國發會包括我們的行政院國家發展基金管理會你看我們這個 |
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當初鄰日攻擊之後相關的這些評論你們都可以好好的看都對資金來言以政治背景爭議不斷相關的美國的共和黨前海外部亞太期主席方恩格指出 |
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這個質疑政府補助合理性並認為應對納稅人以國軍表達歉意所以這個部分跟產業創新時間的關係這個朝委已經站了一分鐘了所以我們要趕快結束這個最主要就是說不用回應 |
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未來的審查絕對絕對要非常非常的審慎要符合產業創新的一個 |
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最高的驗證 我很簡單回應這個是我們匡列給文化部我知道 但是最後還是你們畢竟你們是主管機關我們最近成立了一個百億基金的投資平台我們會加強不要全部都推給文化部 文化部不管反正我能拿到錢就好 對不對我想我們會遵照委員的意見 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝副主委先回座好 謝謝 謝謝鄭建才委員下一位諮詢請賴岳龍 賴岳龍在嗎好 請賴德文委員好 謝謝趙偉 請龔部長請經濟部龔部長部長 |
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早安 現在那個極端氣候越來越嚴重像6月25號的時候的豪大雨食魚量將近100毫米的部分那也造成了整個很多地方的一些積鹽水像比較低窪的地區所以二人溪的一個青蘇包浴世界這次也是一個主要一個區域所以我在禮拜天的時候有去做了一個會刊其實跟水利署的同仁跟水利局同仁討論到 |
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一方面是要做輸菌一方面是要提高他的護岸另一方面是要加強抽水站的一個改建的經費大概需要3億元部長能夠全力來支持這樣的一個計畫嗎我想治水的部分本來就是經濟部包括水利署最重要的事務現在就是只要是治水我們就會排在最優先的部分來做處理所以這個3億的經費部長會支持 |
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我們會支持 我想解除人民的痛苦低窪地區的基因水 其實高雄這幾年做了很多包括秋昭的選區裏面 滯洪池也做了非常多 其實很大量的改善了但是還有一些部分還是要全力的去協助因為這都涉及到 因為現在極端肌肉確實是很異常有時候不下雨就不下雨 一下突然一失餘量超過100這個其實很難以去 那我們唯一能做的就是 |
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盡量去把能夠作為的作為 抽水站啊 然後提案加高 輸菌那我也希望輸菌的部分 請部長也再督促水利局的同仁像這次的八位颱風即將來了 這個輸菌應該是禮拜天有要求的 應該是已經完成了 請部長回去再緊盯一下 好不好輸菌有做的話 它就有更多的一個空間出來 那另外 |
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相關的提案加高這個預定是在明年完成但我希望經費已經有了但我希望明年訊息前能夠在提早完成好不好這也請部長盯緊好不好有些區塊就是還會遇到這些問題的我們希望部長盯緊這個速度好嗎好謝謝部長 |
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好那接下來我來請教一下其實亞洲新灣區現在是高雄發展的一個重鎮那前鎮的第一公園市長其實他在亞洲新灣區的核心範圍內包括現在的不管是最近很紅的好市多或者是IKEA或者是周邊的八五大樓甚至 |
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柳萬等等幾個都在周邊 包括台電 特茂山都在周邊但是這個臨時市場好不容易現在市府跟一些攤上面也都協調的差不多了 願意退場那但是他需要有一個嶄新的樣貌那大概需要一個4000多萬的一個經費啦 前陣地供市場的一個 |
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建設經費這個希望部裡面能夠大力來支持讓我們的亞洲新灣區一個很重要的一個門面地方它不再是一個老舊的市場而是一個嶄新現代化的一個這個市場讓當地的居民有更深的一個感受部長這個可以支持嗎 |
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是 鮑委員這個事實上也要謝謝總統跟行政院長在明年開始他會對於我們中小微的企業的支持方案會額外增加八年一千億所以我們會把這個所謂的中小微尤其是微型企業包括這個市場的攤販或等等的一些情況都會南瓜或者商圈都會南瓜在我們支持的範圍裡面那有了這個額外增加的預算以後我相信 |
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所以這個會能夠納入到這個預算來做支持我們也希望因為這幾年我們的經濟狀況不錯整個經濟成長率都不錯但是傳產跟中小微這些企業確實比較辛苦一點 |
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我們希望加大支持他們的力道那以上這些周邊不管是商圈或攤販他們也得到更多的支持感受到政府財政的狀況不錯的狀況下感受到這樣的一個美意跟支持這個先謝謝部長了那再來我想其實我也持續在關心區域電價這也問了很多次因為像幾個高雄現在都是發展的重點的區域 |
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北部比如北部很需要用電產業發展也很快那就是不蓋電廠那輸送的過程中會相當多的一些耗損等等的我還是覺得請部長還是要慎重思考這些問題也唯有像我跟邱柯召委的選區我們都有電廠那也大量的發電來做事實上我們的確有估算過但是因為台灣的電價 |
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它本來就低啊所以算出來那個差異不會太大產生那個效益有限那反倒是我們現在就是說比如說現在大家關心的是要有AI算力中心的設置那這個就要在電廠旁邊你才有這個條件我們會就會找你旁邊有電廠的部分我們會加大力道讓它這個繁榮可以更繁榮 |
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市長兩件事情第一個是要讓發電的周邊的居民感受到了不管是差異多少差別廉價是一種感受就是說政府有在關心支持他們另外一方面是如果因為發電的這些的他會得到更多的產業比如說不管是AI算力的或者是半導體的或者這些高耗電的能夠產業進駐而對當地有產生正面的效益那也比較好去跟市民來說明我覺得這兩件事情不衝突啦應該都要來思考 |
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差別電價是因為現在我們的電價都算是壓的低的啦但是如果未來的時候要反映到電價成本的時候反倒是現在幾乎是等於是由國家來大量吸收這些的但是如果說在未來面對到這樣的時候會變成是那大家都不願意發電但是大家都要用電這個對國家長遠的發展會形成一種畸形的變化 |
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我反而覺得是要適度的去思考這件事情在討論的過程跟在整個思考的過程中的時候大家就更認真去面對這個問題啦我覺得這個是更核心的一個問題好不好我希望部長還是慎重的思考這件事情這個之前志敬就已經做過了評估了齁這個不知道台電或基金不是有做過評估只是因為那我知道實行上並不容易但是我覺得態度上面還是要展現出來啦 |
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那另外剛剛其實部長有提到了算力中心我一樣的還是要請部長思考就是算力中心算力及應用中心它的設置其實同時間還要協助在地的產業跟讓更多的產業能夠群聚在周邊而達到更大的效益如果只是算力的話 |
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這個如果是給其他的使用的話那恐怕並不會得到支持的那要的是因為它有算力中心的設置之後能吸引更多的產業吸引更多的企業在這邊的投資擴大它的效益那這個台灣就會得到更大的一個支持是是是所以我們為什麼新的這個公告優先排序的部分會把在地的這個所產生的這個產業效果 |
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或者是就業效果我會納在我們這個評估的這個指標裡面就是這個原因那我也希望包括中央包括經濟部也要大力的推動這樣的力道讓整個未來的算力跟應用中心的手勢確實是造就了更大的一個這個效益出來那我覺得這個才能夠達到更大的我們希望的一個目標啦好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝謝謝代理委員今天特別準時 |
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前面先不要走我們換一下位置好謝謝接下來我們請邱兆偉質詢謝謝主席是不是請喬委會理事副委員長來請喬委會是 |
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委員好委員長您知道台灣最大的貿易逆差國是哪一國最大的貿易逆差國美國吧 |
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不是 部長 進一步 國務部長是韓國 是我們東北亞共同生活圈 共同安全圈的一個重要鄰國我們對韓國出口是8379億 |
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韓國輸台的金額是1.94兆貿易逆差是1.16兆所以我們對韓國的關係不管是當然安全跟政治是比較屬於上位但是經貿跟人與人交流我覺得人與人交流是非常的暢旺這個台南之間每年往來大概300萬 |
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那這個貿易為什麼會形成那麼大的逆差這個我想請教一下部長之前啊為什麼會提這個問題就是說僑委會啊對 |
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對韓國的這個台僑組織或者是他們的當然台商會他們主要是大企業我們在韓國的投資比較少所以目前沒有發展出這個台商會的組織所以我覺得僑委會會長應該去一趟韓國了解一下這個台僑的成立的狀況因為有一些年輕世代他們因為婚姻關係 因為工作關係但是沒有有組織的系統去把它整合起來 |
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所以我希望說你們僑屋秘書要更努力把這些在韓國工作也好 因為婚姻關係也好或者求學也好 這個秘器能夠掌握甚至我們在韓國的這些僑胞台僑能夠組成一個組織讓他們能夠發揮這個僑社的力量 |
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謝謝委員我們努力的來去往這個方向瞭解跟發展台商會你們可以去輔導一下是是好謝謝謝謝林副委員長是接下來請這個經濟部鞏部長好請鞏部長 |
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因為我昨天剛從韓國回來當然他們這個政治關係不像台日那麼的這個熱絡但是只要有做就會有成長所以雖然說這個民間交流觀光非常的韓劇非常流行所以他們是文化輸出大國不只文化輸出大國他們也是對台灣是貿易的大順差所以說從台灣賺了很多錢 |
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所以我們應該怎麼樣經營跟韓國的關係從經貿怎麼樣把這個貿易的逆差能夠做一些調整 |
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逆差不會那麼大 去年2025年這個逆差成長23%主要原因是什麼 副部長主要原因是因為現在就是AI Server的部分那現在HBM就是記憶體晶片的部分大部分是三星跟SK HENES在做 |
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那當然少部分美光是在台灣有在做但是大部分他做完以後就要拿到台灣來封裝封裝完以後再賣到美國或其他國家去所以變成這種情況是健康的嗎所以我們希望就是說我們有一些我們記憶體的這些HBM可以在台灣可以有機會發展起來有沒有具體的做法 |
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或者策略把台海目前的貿易狀況做一些調整對現在就是說包括在台灣增加投資的美光或者是我們在地的包括南亞科技啊他們也在做記憶體的這個晶片上能量的這個提升 |
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不只是高科技產業有很多其他的譬如說農產品也好等等對文化的部分我想韓國的文化是台灣人還算蠻喜歡的啦那很多的這些如果文化可以用貿易量來看的話我們是文化逆差國韓國對我們是文化順差國高國順差 |
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韓國的很多的朋友或年輕朋友事實上來台灣觀光旅遊是蠻多的你有聽過BTS嗎沒有不是啦現場沒有看過啦但是有聽過啦連部長都有聽過我也是昨天才聽過我想在場大家都知道BTS在高雄舉辦韓團的這個 |
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韓團在高雄舉辦的這個演唱會是買不到票我們也買不到票所以韓文化輸出的力量很大然後我不曉得他們貿易對台灣的貿易這個順差是如此之大所以這個你要從這個貿易量來看要怎麼去調整對台灣貿易比較有利的方向是是是 |
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那另外這個親能的合作因為親能現在還是一個示範計畫所以未來韓國跟日本已經發展很久了而且有一個親能的載具親能的藝術工具台灣現在還是一個示範點在高雄整個學習韓日的經驗把親能透過跟他們合作也好你要有一個戰略甚至學習他們的發展經驗把親能能夠導向一個重要的 |
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重要的再生能源那個部長您的看法呢對就是因為氫能它的就是有怎麼產生運氫還有氫的運用這有三段那我們就有多元的在實施當中那日韓它有一個很大的這個應用範圍就是它的氫能車他們有在不斷的往這個發展我們將來對於氫能的運用 |
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現在比較在實驗階段的除了剛剛講的那個輕能車一部之外另外就是怎麼樣混清的這個發電那這個台電公司已經有在做這樣示範性的一些好像力道不夠然後執行力也有在提升你把韓國日本那一套學習過來就好了 |
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然後跟他們有更多的合作我覺得這是可以做一個能源合作的一個戰略思考特別跟日本、韓國本來我們是想跟日本合作有關於運輕的部分從澳洲有運輕可以來台灣但是後來日本有實驗性但是這個實驗性應該已經都暫停了因為那個成本 |
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比起這個比原來規劃裡面要超出的非常多顯然就是說他的成熟度可能還要再等一段時間好我還有七八個問題但是我要遵守我定下的事件我以身作則好 謝謝謝謝補掌謝謝邱昭偉 謝謝龔補掌 謝謝 |
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下一位請賴慧妍 賴慧妍不在 羅廷偉 羅廷偉不在何欣水何欣水何欣水不在 林健吉林健吉不在陳昌明陳昌明陳昌明不在 葉延志葉延志葉延志不在 蘇欣璇蘇欣璇不在 蔡宇宇蔡宇蔡宇在 好答得好請蔡宇宇委員 |
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謝謝主席那我們是有請經濟部部長經濟部總部長跟國發會國發會高副主委好 |
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蔡委員部長部長雖然今天這個經濟部我們標檢局沒有到不過我還是想要借用這個質詢來澄清一件事我們現在針對遊具的檢驗費用基本上 |
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雖然經濟部標準局有定一個標準就是他有一些定價的一個標準包括說五個以下是五千到一萬二十一個以上是一萬零八百但是我們在實際上我們接觸了很多在做地方的郵據的他們幾乎 |
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都曾經同一件事情就是說因為每三年就必須要委託具備TAF全國認證基金會認證的第三方檢驗機構那每三年的一個檢驗費用都似乎是兩萬五以上甚至有的會到三萬這樣的一個費用基本上價格非常的高而且還會發生塞車的狀況 |
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那我們經濟部或者是國發會在統整一些相關部會的時候你們是怎麼去看待這件事情的呢來 這個部長好 鮑委員我想這個部分因為剛剛您提到那個我沒把準機沒有在現場那我會去了解一下你們去了解一下啦到底這個國發會了解因為這個監察院 |
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監察院也曾經有一份調查報告監察院也有類似說這個價格好像他沒有照你們的收費準則在收費然後這個費用看起來是異常的高而且三年又一次全國又沒有幾家 |
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又會塞車然後價格又高這個事情呈現出來讓大家覺得說我們好像定了這個遊戲規則就讓這沒幾家的第三方檢驗機構每三年就可以獲利一次而且我甚至去看了郵寄他們還真的是沒多少郵寄 |
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因為有的空間可能也沒有那麼多他可能就一個溜滑梯然後現在溜滑梯當然他下面的那個鋪的一個一個地墊是相對要比較安全的就溜滑梯跟地墊每年要三萬塊那不是每年每三年要三萬塊就溜滑梯跟地墊所以這個我是覺得你們還是要去督促這個第三方檢驗機構啦不能就任由他們去漫天喊價這件事情好不好請經濟部這邊注意 |
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那國發會在這件事情上也協助了解一下好不好那國發會可以先請坐那我再接下來再請教部長因為我們現在今天有原管局啦那原管局現在有在推動所謂跨區的低碳轉型的一個整合的計畫那我想要請教一下我們整個這個淨零碳排在產業園區整個的執行的效果目前是怎樣呢 |
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謝謝委員我們園區管理局在減碳的主要是搭配我們經濟部相關單位包括產發署、中企署、商業署那因為這個量能減碳的相當的大所以我們園區管理局也是經濟部的一份子我們就針對園區也來做一些分擔那目前我們 |
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是那我們延續管理局呢在去年主要是有輔導了一些業界的我們在累計我們有完成了318家廠商的一個輔導那我們也是進場去做這個輔導的工作然後呢整頓完之後會協助他們去爭取我們經濟部的相關減碳的資源讓減碳的工作能夠落實那在嘉義縣的部分我們也去做了一些盤點嘉義縣 |
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市總共超過2.5萬噸的總共有8家8個工廠那有6個工廠其實都有提出自主減量計畫都能夠搭配政府的政策來做推動後續我們會跟經濟部相關單位局長就是減碳這件事很重要是 |
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那我之前也有跟 包括跟部長有反應事實上園區來開發儲冷是一個非常需要去做的做法因為園區的儲冷事實上可以創造所謂尖峰離峰他們用電的一個需求的一個緩衝事實上這個是我覺得我們產業園區是可以很認真去規劃的好不好 |
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是 那在雛林這一塊我們會搭配能源署讓你來看一下這個場地的合適性那雛林的場設置呢也要注重周邊這個民眾的接受程度啦那樣子才會順利的推動我們會務實的來做處理 |
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園區裡面啦園區裡面不是外面所以園區來的者應該就不會有所謂跟民眾你們就在園區因為你們園區還是有一些公共空間啊那部分是可以適合去開發儲能的這個你們可以去思考啦然後第二個我想要問啦因為我們現在嘉義現在有兩個新的園區就是中埔的公關跟水上南進嘛對不對那目前你們的規劃是由 |
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家泰工業區他會兼水上的南進兼公館家泰工業區的管轄就兼總埔的公館不只工業區去兼水上南進但是你們這樣你們都沒有思考到基本上他們是有距離的這管理上我是覺得說你應該把公館跟水上南進把它變成獨立一個管理機構有可能朝這樣去規劃嗎 |
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這個都搭配園區的開發進度啦他們現在就是在開發中嘛那我認為說因為公館跟南進他距離近嘛他們應該是獨立一個管理機構你讓加泰就是在太保去管道公館 |
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鋪子去管道水上黑是有距離的事實上管理上沒有那麼方便我覺得你們可以認真去思考就公館跟南進把它做一個獨立的一個管理機構好不好是 好 那個目前是前移機制啦後續我們會來看實際的運作來做有需要 真的是有需要謝謝文指導 |
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然後第二個要跟部長就是來說我們在於新港就是有一塊台塘地那過去是台塘有沒有這個長庚原本來想要做養生村那現在養生村沒有做了那我們地方積極的認為這裡適合開發做產業園區 |
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因為他離現在的嘉義科學園區很近所以他未來有可能變成所謂家科的一個跟家科串聯的一個園區而且這個園區內賴總統有來我們新港然後在鳳天宮陶井也認為說這裡是可以開發園區的這賴總統親自跟我們講的那我們想要經濟部這件事可能要加速推動 |
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你們趕快去了解 在新港這裡 跟局長有時間來新港走一走這裡真的是那個園區 因為地方因應其判然後它正好又因為高鐵 它就是台37線高鐵的這一條道路直接串連加科跟未來我們希望新港的 那個叫環博 那個地方叫環博 |
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新港的共和村這一個產業園區賴總統來的時候認為這裡適合可是看起來目前進度是還沒有感受到有進度所以我拜託部長這件事給我們加速給我們推動一下好不好好謝謝感謝好謝謝蔡議員蔡議員質詢令人感動來請部長回座有見過連續的國庭委員不在王委員王委員來請王委員 |
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今天我們討論要如何加強協助我們的海外台商大家都知道我們台商非常辛苦而且每一個階段甚至有些台商都在配合政府的政策 |
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我們長期以來即便是到民進黨政府執政也都有所謂的新南向所以其實我們針對馬來西亞的投資馬來西亞台商一直都是在我們海外台商非常大的一個比重 |
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那如何協助台商 我剛才看到你們的專題報告我看到你們在很多地方增加了新的投資服務中心但是我沒有看到東南亞的部分我們其實照顧台商不能只見新人笑 不見舊人哭那我今天要請教部長的部分 |
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我們對要加強保護我們的台商促進投資其實最重要全世界仍然是自由貿易協定FTA或者BIA雙邊的投資協定非常重要 |
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過去我們對東南亞都有簽署一些雙邊的投資協定如果我們回顧過去10年來可以看到的菲律賓、印度、越南大概在10年前左右都有做了一些更新泰國是在2024年做更新 |
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那大家都知道為什麼投資協定一定要更新呢因為我們剛講投資的型態還有企業的結構發展比如說現在有很多的科技或者是這個AI但是我們有嚴重落後的譬如說馬來西亞印尼竟然超過30年我們沒有更新我們的投資協定30年內 |
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9816.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
難道馬來西亞跟印尼的台商不重要嗎?難道馬來西亞跟印尼對我國的投資貿易不重要嗎?那更離譜的,包含澳洲、歐盟這應該是我們應該促進台商去投資的地方嘛而且也有台商在那裡啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9836.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9842.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
甚至到目前為止沒有任何的雙邊投資協定所以我在這邊短短時間請教部長我剛才講幾個國家泰國是最近做更新那麼馬來西亞跟印尼為何實施30年沒有辦法更新 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9854.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9857.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
你們有啟動任何的一個更新的步伐嗎我也注意到我們的這個駐馬來西亞代表他也去參加像東元在在檳城有投資他也喊話啊說趕快啊我們來在這個更新應該的我們的這個跟馬國的BIA所以請問部長我這邊剛剛所舉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
9882.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9886.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
嚴重落後不更新 或者根本沒有實質進展你們有什麼計畫報委員 事實上我們對於雙邊的這個投資協定當然都非常的積極啦但是有時候因為當地國他們的這個政經環境是不是人家不理我們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
9904.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9928.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
有一些更替啦現在馬來西亞跟印尼的部分他們對於中國的態度這一屆的政府啦但是我們還是不會放棄啦就是任何的機會我們都準備好那歐盟是因為事實上有很多的國家包括中東歐很多國家他願意跟我們有類似這樣但是因為他歐盟是一體的他沒有辦法單獨跟我們簽 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
9929.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9939.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
所以只能歐盟但是歐盟要全部同意就產生很大的困難因為他們跟中國還沒有錢所以這個又是另外一個問題你把這所有的問題都推向中國沒有那我剛才也講啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
9944.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9961.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
之前的當然泰國在最近這幾年也做了更新啊前面的也做了更新啊所以只要有任何的機會任何的機會我們就會我希望我們能夠更積極一點就如同CPTPP大家都說很重要我們一定要加入 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
9962.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9987.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
可是後來我們才發現如果不是這次經貿辦發生的一個霸凌事件我們才知道其實我們政府對於推動CPTPP事實上是非常消極所以我在這邊為我們台商請命尤其東南亞的台商請命應該更新的BIA趕快去更新好不好好 我們來努力好 謝謝部長先回座來後面沒人 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
9993.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10022.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
好 這個登記發言委員處不在場之外 區域居民發言完畢我們巡查結束有委員鄭振淺 洪逸祥 邱益穎 陳超明 何欣淳所提書面質詢 我們列入紀錄刊登公報有關於書面質詢未及答覆部分相關到一週內書面答覆並複製本會委員另有要求期限者從期鎖定本日鎖列議程處理完畢大家辛苦了 謝謝大家 現在散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
10026.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10026.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
再来点 |