| IVOD_ID |
17569 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17569 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T18:24:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T20:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:23:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373d54a3d42338be1264d581404c873f4d237149c28021a32520ebb98cd9d9c15f7b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案。
三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管國立文化機構作業基金附屬單位預算案。
四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部主管文化發展基金附屬單位預算案。
五、繼續審查115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心、文化內容策進院、國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案。
【6月29日及7月1日、2日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:24:33 - 20:48:00 |
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主席我的136跟153可以改組決議136 153好來135案到153案我們剛剛有宣告就不再宣告了137 138 139 140 141 144 145 147 150 152 153那以上都改為組決議還有136 153 |
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那我是一百五十四一百三十五也改主決議嗎?我?喔我是一三五我還有一五四一三五的部分我沒有改好 |
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除以上個案我們本木合併凍結是多少 我100萬選手委員 您要提案多少我151案改組決議好 151改組決議好 本木凍結100萬 |
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提出書面報告時的動之接著我們再處理第七幕藝術發展業務提案案號154到168我們先休息外面有準備便當請大家吃一下謝謝先休息一個小時主席不要啦我們直接啦我們直接繼續啦 |
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20分鐘吃等一下會不會說我太血汗沒給你們時間好啦好啦30分鐘啦謝謝6點50回來嘛對不對主席我們就看時間主席我們6點50回來主席你6點50要回來喔30分鐘6點50主席你6點50要回來 |
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您現在處理是文化部自己的數位內容譬如說我們的國家文化記憶庫這些東西可是很多是民 |
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请专委可以帮忙联系一下召委吗我们已经123456我们民进党委员六位都坐在这里等开会我们依规定半个小时那您赶快通知一下召委我们六位委员我们希望可以顺利赶快开会审查预算 |
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请问一下我们等开会还要等多久我们六位委员都坐在这里审查等预算请问刚交委自己宣告半个小时那我们还要等多久所以可以回答您刚交委有联络交委办公室吗刚刚在路上现在也还在路上7点了 |
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麻煩再幫我們催一下我們委員等沒有關係啦可是這麼多文化部官員從早到晚大家都在這裡等審查 |
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不要計較啦好 現在開會好 接著處理154到168只有15萬請問我們就不要分解了 整目一併處理好不好好好從這邊嗎 |
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剛剛有人 你要剪短的喔對 剪短的你提議剪短喔嗯 對好啊 大家一起剪短 好不好好 那巫師要委員因為現在在場我們幾位委員剛剛在 |
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像我的案子是165案剛剛也跟國標業董事長有溝通過對於現在的工程本身是遭逢了工程在進行當中有發現原本有延伸的工程的問題所以要克服我也只是提案督促你們盡可能的真的很辛苦我知道 |
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好那盡可能的來追趕這些落後的進度所以我165萬我改成主決議給郭表義的夥伴加油好有委員提到改主決議我們議事人員就直接登記我就不再附送了好來下一個我的部分是166那這個部分有來跟我說明我改主決議好以上來陳秀寶委員 |
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現在學習我的案子是159案這個部分呢其實是要肯定文化部跟運動部的這個委員合作那近期在台灣歷史博物館的這個亞運特展也受民眾好評那我的這個案子改組決議那希望文化部這邊提供你們已經規劃好的相關與運動合作相關的這個展場給本席另外我要替議警講一下163案及164案這兩個案子呢議警委員也改 |
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主決議但是主要是說希望這個民間團體呢舉辦這個台灣不在不需要獨裁者紀念堂這個行動呢希望文化部這邊也有比較激進的作為比較積極的作為那希望說在關閉中正紀念堂的堂體大門截斷威權崇拜軸線這個部分呢你們有更好更積極的一些方案那這個部分呢請你們再跟那個已經委員這邊來報告那這兩個案子改組決議謝謝 |
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好 大家沒意見喔好 趙烈東 誒對對對 春醜委員舉手委員請說你好 我有兩個案 一個158 一個167在這裡簡單說明一下158呢 是有關於藝術銀行那因為藝術銀行呢 既有扶植藝術家還有促進作品的流通 |
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提高公共空間的藝術能見度所以呢在這個作品的一個過程還有租賃行展還有庫存維護成本以及公共效益應該是可以受檢驗的所以呢 |
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在這裡呢等一下希望文化部做個說明那這一個案子呢我是凍結兩百萬那等一下呢我們在說明完之後我們再來處理那另外一個 |
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167案是對於國藝會基金的一個案子那國藝會預算應該是要支持更多元的藝術創作還有地方文化的一個能量那我們也希望等一下能聽說明完之後我這裡是凍結200萬再來做處理以上 |
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好 有委員提凍結200萬 我是154案 我改組決議那已經有溝通完畢 也希望能夠更加精進好 請委員提案 有人提凍結200你要先回應 不好意思 |
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好 謝謝委員的提案有關藝術銀行的部分 我補充說明一下藝術銀行因為他是為了要支持藝術家創作跟透過租貸的方式去行銷我們的藝術家所以他不管是他的構廠或者是他構廠了之後的修復維護或者是他把他的作品做圖像的數位化以及保存的部分 |
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接受檢驗都有相關的要點在處理當中那它的流通的部分呢它也積極的在從空間美化從主題策展從專案媒合以及藝術外交的部分去著手例如說它現在跟台積電跟台糖有密切的合作那也跟鳥屋書店跟畫廊協會跟高美館一些美術館也都有保持這個 |
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很好的合作關係那我們現在就希望透過這個案子能夠實質的支持台灣的藝術家去維持作品藝術作品的這個流通量能那也透過多元的管道去曝光那希望委員可以支持藝術銀行的這個案子可以改成主決議那另外有關國藝會的這個案子呢國藝會的部分我們的這個編的預算兩億六千七百一十五萬元七千這個主要都是 |
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補助給國藝會去辦理演藝團隊的年度獎助專案就是台灣TAP的案子另外也有支持視覺藝術的組織營運補助的部分也有跨域創新藝術的專案以及有相關的母語文學創作的補助專案他們現在的基金的餘額的部分 |
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是70億嘛那我們也有希望國一會能夠持續的努力去達到法定的這個100億的規定那國一之友的部分呢因為國一之友他是會員制所以他需要 |
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繳納這個入會費所以我們是尊重國一會的運作那他目前也只有落差一名的這個會員那我們也會請國一會持續的加油那因為這個國一會的這一筆補助案是涉及很多團隊的費用那希望委員能夠支持那另外有關國表議的部分還需要董事長再做說明嗎不用喔好以上 |
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政策委員你有什麼意見 158跟167就改主決議好請登記喔來那我們現在宣告154 156 157 158 159 160 163 164 165166 167 168改為主決議那預算照列 |
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我們接著處理第八幕文化交流文化交流業務169到176謝謝 |
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都沒有委員有表示意見喔欸對直接喊就直接開始了不用客氣好不好好來我們就依序發言吼吳世耀委員陳奕晶對不起吳世耀委員陳秀寶委員兩個吼 |
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好 文化交流业务有两个案170跟171还是简要发言做成记录我常常期待除了部部都是文化部在国内我们希望管管都是文化馆深化跟拓展我们的文化外交但是我们驻海外的馆舍17处37人我们很难真的有效的去强化推广文化外交 |
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那171案是希望说在现在的文化协定都换寡也换不均我们跟各国的文化协定大概欧洲地区就占了22个九成以上而且都是在法国我们还是要有这样的雄心壮志所以我的案子都在明确的我都有我的主张那请你们能够 |
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好好的加油好吗刚听中央社那个婉玲社长讲的我也觉得很有感触中央社只有在30个国家36个据点39位人里我们也很难透过我们的国际传媒能够在台湾发声 |
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所以今天審查預算從一早的沒宣費到現在的文化外交我認為立法院都應當支持那你們就努力加油加把勁好謝謝我兩岸都可以改組決議謝謝170跟171好170 171改組決議那我是172改組決議那請秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席我這邊的案子是175案是關於我們全球布局策略推展計畫根據我們2024年台灣文化創意產業發展年報顯示台灣文創產業外銷的收入是昨年的低減 |
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那顯示近兩年我國這個文創產業外銷是面臨到困境那我提這個案子是希望文化部這邊呢能夠積極辦理我國文創產業國際行銷來提升我國文化國際能見度也能帶動我國文創產業的發展那那個我看一下那個 |
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文化部這邊有來說明啦就我們目前的文創產業營業是以內需市場為主但是也有積極在辦理海外推廣計畫也在114年也辦理了185項的計畫今年度呢有規劃是180項的活動那我這個部分我的提議案我可以改組決議但我希望文化部針對文創產業外銷呢也要訂定目標那你把這個相關訂定的目標這個部分呢資料再一份給我以上 |
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好 謝謝欸 所以秀堡委員有要改組決議嗎好 改組決議 好 我們加速推進喔那以上 有沒有委員要提案好 沒有委員要提案喔 預算就照列170 171 172 173 175 176改為組決議蒙藏文化中心177案 |
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177案是我改組決議也希望你們就是來跟我們協調要說到做到然後來預算照列改為組決議177接著我們處理非營業特種基金提案號178 179 |
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好我自己是178也是改為主決議因為你們有來說明我還是希望這個要再特別注意以上我179案也改主決議謝謝好兩案都改成主決議預算照列我們接著處理第11目一般建築及設備那181我改成主決議那基本上你們有來溝通還是要再多注意 |
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改成主決議我們再處理180181我是改成主決議那就那就照列改主決議了嗎好我們就繼續往前推進182好18081改主決議沒事開始 |
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181改成主決議預算照列那我們接著持續往下推進第一預備金182案182案我這邊也有提案啦我想每一個事項我們都特別關心我們不會放棄任何監督的機會好也希望說你們有來跟服我們辦公室特別講解齁還是要特別注意我想我們都希望這個錢真的是花在刀口上好再來繼續182改成主決議我們接著文化部預算照列文化部的主決議案齁我們來照念 |
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183到198可不可以遵照辦理好 照案通過1部長麻煩你回應配合辦理好預算 對不起照案通過199到201還沒簽名麻煩給委員簽名吳世耀委員您的案子還沒簽名您再自己跟他溝通 |
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好請給我主決議來請給我簽名來麻煩你們趕快跟委員溝通我們繼續往下推進202到202能不能辦理配合辦理部長你麥克風拿著我們接下來都需要你講話好來203照案通過202203修正文字能不能配合辦理 |
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修正文字提案委員簽名同意修正同意204能不能辦理?中照辦理照案通過205 206修正文字能不能辦理?可以修正通過207到209能不能夠配合辦理?中照辦理 |
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好配合我們就召喚通過210修正文字能不能配合辦理可以可以好修正通過來211能不能配合委員提案順道辦理好召喚通過212有修正文字委員的提案 |
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修正文字召喚辦理好修正通過213216能不能配合委員的提案遵照辦理好那就繼續我們召喚通過217修正文字可不可以辦理可以這是我的提案麻煩請配合那我們就修正通過218我的提案能不能辦遵照辦理好我們就召喚通過219修正文字能不能照修正文字通過遵照辦理 |
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好修正通過220到223能不能辦理遵照辦理好我們就照案通過224能不能修正文字遵照辦理好修正通過來我們再回到198到200請問一下吳思耀委員199到200請問你修正文字OK嗎現在給我看一下他們沒有給我好沒有給你那你們就慢慢處理囉等委員同意再說囉我先念 |
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199到201你們先協調來 照案通過183至198202 204 207至209211 213至216218 220至223修正通過是203 205至206210 212 217 219 224案是修正通過其他的剛剛還沒有唸到的那請跟委員加速溝通 |
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第三案119-201簽了嗎還沒簽第二十款第一項文化部我們先暫置我們繼續還沒處理完畢那邊有三案我們繼續處理文化部文化資產局稅出部分第二項文化資產局的第二幕文化資產業務提案案號225-248蔡總委員請說 |
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好 有關於2.25這一個文化資產目前有極端氣候的已經變成常態那文化資產對我們來講都非常重要所以這個文化資產的保存那一定是要支持所以我這個部分改成組結議海委員有意見嗎 好 秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席 我這邊的案子是236案跟242案236案的部分主要是文化資產維護管理及再利用計劃我的選區的入港金門館近期要辦理第二期的修復計劃第一期其實它整個的修復計劃是完成了民眾跟廟方其實對整個修復的過程都也很肯定 |
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那第二期的修复计划有很多位民众来反映对修复团队的专业度呢是有一点担心那所以我希望说文化不文化资产局在这一次第二期的修复的计划的这个团队修复团队这个专业度呢希望说能够审慎的检视那这个部分呢希望说 |
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我们金门馆的第二期修复计划上要有专业的修复团队来进行并且在进行修复之前也要办理说明会充分的跟乡亲沟通以避免再有龙三四上次奎龙窗那个事件的发生那这个部分呢请文资局这边呢再度请我们县府那边也要严格来把关那我这个案子可以改成图决议那希望说后面的不管有办理说明会还是有什么进度也要通知本席那二四案的部分呢是关于 |
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我們將在地文化資產透過融入學校教育的方式能夠讓學童認識家鄉的文資從小培養對台灣文化的認識那這個部分呢文資局有說明了就是說我們會進行相關的培育那希望說在地產業文化資產保持維護呢來進行推廣跟教育那這個部分我還是希望說能夠跟學校跟在地社團來合作推廣讓學童產生興趣並且遇到文資 |
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這個實地來走訪那這部分也希望你們將研議的資料提供給本席我這一案也改組決議 謝謝好 國務卿委員好 這個部分我是228跟229那這邊有來特別跟我說明我兩案都可以改成組決議好 以上好 我們繼續吳世耀委員這邊文資局的案子比較多我盡快剪短 |
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226案一样又是跨部会的协调我们跟教育部的国教署有关文化资产保存教育的推动计划我们目前每年的预算很少很少只有400万要补助每年26校可是我们的中小学全国有3848校连1%都不到 |
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立委不能增加預算之支出但我督促你們以後在推動文化保存教育應當有更大的雄心壯志你編這麼少那就是學生受惠就很少好嗎我責成你們226案我可以改組決議但是我要提出這樣的提醒然後227案因為不好意思 |
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是我爭取在北投的再造歷史現場再造歷史現場北投的這個修復中心新村這個眷村的計畫呢其實早在柯文哲市長的任內就說要在2021年他卸任的時候2022的時候要完工 |
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到現在已經2026年了接任的蔣萬安市長也坐滿了四年但是中興新村的修復依舊嚴當從柯市長任內要完工到現在蔣市長的第一任依舊沒有完成 |
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那没有完成会造成的是什么就是预算还要再增加所以说现在我们当时争取我争取的文化部再造历史现场的经费中央都全数支持谢谢丽婷北投的文化保存那现在因为工程的延宕所以还要再向文资局再申请再造历史现场115到119年的预算 |
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所以工程越拖越久就會造成預算越來越多我作為在地的立委我還是希望不放棄的責成工程能夠快速的前進但是我真的也很抱歉因為台北市政府的執行拖延了那暴增的預算還要再跟文化部申請那我上次有安排部長到現場去考察過部長也看到 |
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確實如果工程沒有完成好事不能做半套我責稱你們該給補助就繼續給補助但是要責稱台北市政府請趕進度請依時程他已經不可能如期完成至少要如值完成好嗎那台北市政府再申請的再造歷史現場的預算我希望你們能夠再繼續支持所以這一案 |
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我可以改組決議但我非常在乎那再來是231案跟一個對不起案子比較多231案就是我們的系統性保存在文資法的修法那一次我們 |
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跟進國際的趨勢採系統性的保存那也入法了但是現在全台灣用系統性保存的文資負之缺儒啦所以說這個責成你們文資局這也是個老問題了232案我們要跟UNESCO來申辦我們的這個世界文化遺產那有形文化遺產的部分我支持你們你們要去跟外圍的組織 |
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UNESCO来加强互动但是呢你们要去拜访UNESCO巴黎的那个中心我非常支持啊我自己就去过了那支持你们去做但你们好像还没有要去做拜会没有要去串联我觉得有点可惜那我会支持你们这样的预算那请你们赶快去串联这都是外交的机会好吗台湾的文化资产就是世界的文化资产二三二案责成你们改善 |
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233案我可以改組決議 謝謝再來23等一下我還237跟238 |
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237案好文化資產的保存一向是眾有形輕無形好請你們照我的決議我的提案我改組決議請你們去進行不要都是我們非常多珍貴的表演藝術傳統工藝口述傳統民俗傳統知識與實踐的無形文資需要更盡力的來推廣跟附贈好238案文資法該修 |
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要修那我希望我們可以在下個會期針對文字法的修訂立法院來理性的充分的討論該開公聽會我們就開公聽會好嗎加強跟文字界的對話所以我這幾案我都可以改主決議但是我要做成這個發言的記錄尤其北投的再造歷史現場文化部請責成台北市政府趕進度如值完成已經沒有辦法如期但是至少要如值完成謝謝 |
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好 都改組決議齁好 全數改成組決議吳麗華委員好 謝謝主席齁在文資局這邊的第二項第二幕齁我有三案239240248齁那239這個部分 |
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是去關心我們的一個無形文化資產文資保存等等那最重要就是覺得雖然質詢過多次其實我們也不斷的在簡化可是對很多人來講還是有一些困擾所以在這邊再次的做出建議簡化文件的流程強化輔導跟到點的服務 |
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那這個部分我有做凍結但是因為又來辦公室報告所以我可以改成主決議在第240案是關心我們的這一些議事那現在其實 |
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國家級的重要保存者像人間國寶其實他們的整個待遇還不錯可是他們是來自於縣市級的保存者但是兩者之間落差太大那往往縣市級的藝師他所獲得的這些傳習經費甚至是終點費目前還很低一千塊 |
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那還有生活保障遠遠低於國家級的藝師變成空有文資身份可是沒有什麼實質的保障那很多生計也很困難所以對傳譯呢其實是很不利而且這些基層藝師往往都會因為資源很匱乏他最後就放棄傳承那造成網上銜接的國家級文資也會失傳 |
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所以在這個部分就是特別針對調高對等補助的比例尤其是那個人事費的一個限制那再來就是希望能夠編列專款來補助這一些學術或民間的團體高齡的醫師等等 |
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那這個部分因為有來辦公室報告所以我在這個部分也改成主決議那還有一案是248案那248案它是再造歷史現場計畫那這個部分其實因為我們發現它要再造歷史 |
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現場但是往往都是比較偏向這些在都會區有歷史的這些建物反倒是像在山區這些過去的舊部落舊古道他也很需要再造歷史 |
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現場的計畫尤其是以前的古戰場等等但是往往好像到了縣市比較不會被分配到我剛剛所講的這些部分所以也對這個地方就是提出一個建議那一樣也是有來辦公室報告所以我在這個地方也改成主決議以上 |
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好 陳培宇委員好 謝謝我的案子是235關於文資審查現在有三個比較大的問題就是在列冊階段如果不與列冊追蹤的時候提報人是沒有救濟途徑或者是地方政府如果壟斷審查的關鍵因素操縱結果這也會讓提報人覺得很沮喪再來就是各個地方政府在針對同一種類型的文資審查意見通常都會產生極大的落差標檢 |
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标准不横评这个部分那我们有拜托文化部文资局持续跟地方政府专家学者民间团体持续沟通那我就不再赘述其他内容这个部分我可以改成主决议可是我要提醒文资局在文资法刚刚四样委员已经要说了后续要修法的时候其实有非常非常多的内容必须要与日俱进 |
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这些比较多互动的事情或者是升登世界遗产的部分都拜托文化部文字局持续精进那以上民意警委员的案子也可以改成主决议 |
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還有沒有委員要發言我的是247247也是在造歷史的一個現場不是只有補助地方做工程更要看歷史的一個係數公共禁用跟長期的一個 |
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所以我們請文化部能夠書面報告各縣市的一個核定案清測補助金額還有計畫內容跟執行進度第二是審查標準退場跟調整機制地方配合款以及違印規劃三是成果的一個指標還有公共的一個禁用地方參議文化交易還有觀光的連結成效這個我就改主決議 |
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好 我們繼續那現在都改組決議了喔主管機關先回應好嗎好 那主席還有各位委員那剛才各位委員的提點跟期許我們都會照這個大家的意見來去持續的精進 |
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好 那我再這麼簡單好 那我講的稍微深入一點好 |
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好那我先從那個陳秀寶委員講的那個金門館這個我們會提醒縣市政府他剛才也特別提到我們有拜會也說明過了另外那個田園學校怎麼樣文化資產的在那些跟學校教育結合我們其實現在剛剛吳委員也提到我們其實現在跟教育部的國教院都有合作另外我們也跟那個各縣市我們也不陸續捕捉48案我們也是逐步的在推動當中那再來 |
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那個蔡村崇委員剛才有些我就有些是可能跳著看一下文字法的部分這剛有提到幾個文字法的我們會都會納進研議包括有形無形之間的橫平性還有剛才那個陳培源委員提到的那些對那些剛才有一些民間團體他們的反應的意見我們都會納入去研修那再來系統性的保存的確我們在這次修法也會納進去看研究 |
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對 那個對那條文大家還有是再來就是那個對於UNESCO我們這個世界遺產還有非物質化遺產那個國際怎麼樣去打進國際組織但是我們跟這些外圍組織的聯繫我們會持續的尤其剛才委員提到了法國世界文化館我們本來要去但是去年因為預算被刪了所以我們會持續的再來進進 |
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那再來剛才吳立華委員提到的對於原住民的這些醫師還有他們有些長老他們對文書不是那麼的精通我們有補助縣市政府輔導團隊去幫他們協助他們怎麼去提報或者是書寫一些文書 |
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那蔡村丑委員剛提到的就是我們的再招令現場的計劃要怎麼核定 核定以後督考 還有這些成效的考核我們也都會有一定的機制在內 我們也會持續的精進 |
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對縣級議事的那些權益的問題啊當然是涉及到我們的預算的問題我知道那個委員是希望說能夠增加他們的這些待遇還有這些的津貼那個比較就終點費終點費目前是比照行政院的那個講座終點費的規定的上限當然我們希望說如果在預算夠的話我們看看能不能突破好 |
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我一直在盯著你看我北投的中興新村的經費對那個中興新村那個再到那個上次去我們已經就是現在目前就是因為再造歷史現場2.0它是新興計劃現在還沒有通過現在沒有辦法核定 |
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所以说只要这个计划过的话我想我们会尽数好 那我在这里我就要做成我就针对两个案子我要补充一下我的意见跟说明北投再造历史现场这个计划是文化部在台北市第一个文化再造历史现场的补助案当时是郑立军担任部长我非常谢谢把台北市的第一个机会给了北投但是就是一拖再拖不是文化部的错文化部就是给补助而且都给好给满 |
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那我前幾天也非常遺憾我看到文化局的蔡詩平局長他在講他文化的政績把中興新村列為他的文化保存的政績我其實看了很難過因為已經拖了從柯文哲任內要完成到蔣萬事長第一任還沒完成那現在拖延之後就變成要再把暴增的預算還要再跟中央要 |
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那中央我們都不會為難我也一定拼了命的爭取只是我希望文化部對於北投中興新村這個案子除了一再的給予因為私藥的爭取我們給市政府預算幫忙你們也要去督促他們在工期上在工期上因為我們不能給了預算而不督促他嘛對不對那給了預算他繼續拖然後再來要錢 |
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這樣不對嘛更何況台北市本身相對的資源就非常的豐富啊我請局長這個事情要特別督導我不想要讓這一任的蔣市長任內又跳票又沒完成 |
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文化不分黨派我的立場就是這樣何況是我一路保存下來的園區第二個剛剛您講到的我們要加入深列世界文化遺產UNESCO不管是有形文化資產或是無形文化資產兩個委員會你們恢復運作的成立我謝謝你們那也非常遺憾我一直原來我錯怪你們了我一直在等著你們之前就提了要去拜訪法國世界文化館 |
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就是要打進UNESCO的外圍跟主體的機構能夠讓台灣用文化資產的力量跟世界鏈結現在是台灣外交最強的時候這麼多國家支持我們我看到你們想做原來我一直在罵你們說你們為什麼都要去然後沒去告訴我要去原來是去年預算被砍了 |
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好那今年也很抱歉預算又拖到現在我只想要無論預算什麼時候通過你們什麼時候要去扣關這個很重要可不可以給我我不能夠因為這件事情預算拖然後你們沒錢然後這件事情就Pending在那裡局長今年可以去嗎明年可以去嗎 |
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新興計畫我們預算通過就可以支應嘛那請問這一個要去跟UNESCO合作你們的計畫是什麼時候要上路今年來得及嗎您用麥克風講一下 |
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我們還在跟對方再聯繫一下因為有一點上一次要去但是有點爽約預算沒有我們爽約所以之後可能還要再取得人家的信任然後還有一些行程的安排好那就是立法院砍預算的惡果文化部來承擔台灣的文化資產來承擔我希望你們今年下半年或是明年上半年趕快去修復跟法國的關係 |
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立法院造的孽很抱歉你們背鍋但是你們就是要協助去解決我們的文化資產不能夠喪失這個跟國際鏈結的機會好嗎謝謝局長還要回覆嗎 |
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那不知道主席剛剛好像都改組決議了嘛那我個人主張這一部分就照列預算225、248全部改為組決議預算照列補充宣告組決議第1199到201案部長可以處理嗎修正文字 |
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遵照辦理修正通過接著處理文化資產局主決議提案號249案遵照辦理啊249案 照案通過 |
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第二十款第二項文化資產局處理完畢接著處理文化部影視及流行音樂局說出部分第三項影視及流行音樂產業局通案部分媒體偵測及業務宣導費提案號250 |
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好,250案這個部分我想減列367萬8千元是不是我們協商送保留 |
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那就是金曲金馬獎金曲金鐘金馬獎金曲金鐘金曲金鐘跟什麼去年就是通山啊去年都是通山 |
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那個請你們回應一下好嗎因為這個案子跟我們早上討論的沒宣費是不太一樣但都是沒宣費那我可以垂詢一下好我可以垂詢一下我可以垂詢一下我先問完您再回答好嗎因為我有想要理解的部分這一筆沒宣費因為去年被砍了六成嘛 |
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所以你們就用謹慎的四成去努力執行那我們的金曲獎跟金鐘獎辛苦大家那今年這一筆一五年的沒宣費在獎項的部分有金鐘金氏聚集劇本創作獎金曲獎金音獎原創流行音樂大獎是不是就負責這些獎項 |
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那這些如果被刪除了這些獎項本身在宣傳上跟請大家來一些人氣票選或者是一些參加就會受到影響我的理解是這樣所以請你們具體說明我本來以為只有金曲獎跟金鐘獎那這樣看來是有六七個獎項會受影響好那請您說明好主席各位委員大家好我來說明一下就是我們影視局 |
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115年的沒宣費總共是613萬元那主要分工作項目分兩大項最主要是獎項的部分有六個獎項金鐘金氏聚集劇本創作獎金曲金音還有原創流行音樂大獎這些工作項目主要做第一個就是報名徵件的宣導第二個是典禮活動的宣傳那典禮活動我舉例譬如說金鐘獎它有兩個最佳人氣獎那人氣獎就是要民眾去票選 |
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所以我們一定要對民眾去宣傳說大家趕快來投這個人氣獎喔所以一定要宣傳再來就是另外一個例子譬如說我們在金鐘獎我們有手語的服務我們必須要跟聽障朋友去宣傳說我們有這個服務喔你可以好好的來欣賞這個金鐘獎 |
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這是文化平權非常重要的一個支出那另外一個第二大項就是國片的行銷就是我們為了要宣傳國片我們有做國片聯合跟電影業者有聯合宣傳所以我們跟金馬獎也會合作所以其實主要就是做這兩大項完全沒有任何的一個新聞的一個置入完全沒有都是這部分以上報告 |
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我要補充一下好嗎就是說其實這些講看起來是一個講可是對於這個行業本身每年辦一次是非常非常重要的然後我們去年是被刪掉六成然後但是我們也是盡量努力的用剩下的來做希望今年在美訊非常這個部分給我們支持因為大家我剛剛白天有講到今年的金曲獎辦得是非常非常成功幾乎沒有 |
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一點點負評 就是大家非常努力所以希望你們信任我們文化部的每一個講的他的用意 謝謝好 我這邊有李院部長簽名喔來提供的影視局115年度的媒宣費在獎項的部分 |
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能夠保證就是用在金鐘獎金氏獎聚集劇本創作獎金曲獎金音獎原創流行音樂大獎那對於國片行銷這個部分可以說明一下嗎國片的聯合行銷宣傳是哪一個國片 |
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跟委員報告我們其實是跟金馬獎也會合作還有就是我們跟戲院公會合作那戲院公會我們是用全部就是在譬如說我們下半年全部到一直到明年過年全部上映的國片一起來做整體的宣傳全數使用在國片 |
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對當然一定是國片一定是國片而且我們會在網路上把這些國片做錄出就是做關鍵字這樣子那細節的部分再提供資料給我好嗎好沒問題今天就照著這一張你們有簽名的保證是全數使用在國片以及我們相關獎項所使用的沒錯沒有再透過特定媒體的置入沒有絕對沒有好謝謝委員 |
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但這個部分因為我在現場我可以處理我自己啦那所以我就那個改成主決議感謝感謝委員但是其他委員如果第二輪的時候再找你們的話那你們自己要跟委員說明好其他我們這個媒體政策及業務宣導費預算招列接著處理影視流行音樂產業局業務費提案號251 |
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好,251改成主決議,預算照列接著電影事業輔導,提案案號252到256國務卿委員 |
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好 这个部分253其实是我最关心的就是影视职案的一个问题那我从开公听会然后一直到每一个事件然后接触包含那个豆腐妈妈的这个拍摄人员她的这个发声 |
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狀況的這些意外的澄清那我想這個部分我們也跟影視局有密切的一個開會也開了好幾次那我想這個部分還是非常重要那制度的一個建立其實刻不容緩 |
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那當然這個文化部也有來說明就是高風險的一個作業的通報然後第三方的一個輔導還有跨部會的一個合作的機制的一個推動的一個情形那最重要其實還是要確保就是影視從業人員的工作 |
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的安全那不管目前還是幕後那我想這個是從過去一直到現在我們一直不斷的在提醒喔那尤其是它的影視文化的產業其實跟一般的勞工的工作環境其實是非常非常大的一個不同它變動性更大所以 |
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我可以同意改成組決議但是這個部分我們還是會持續一直不斷的盯著那我想也謝謝你們有來特別說明但我想這個部分我們還是持續要來關注好 以上陳秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席在這個部分我的案子是256案這個部分呢還是一樣針對我國影視音作品到中國市場上映的時候遇到的一些困境那我提這個案子是想要提醒文化部我們這邊我們應該要打開除了中國以外的華語市場的銷售那這個部分呢我可以改組決議但是我希望影視局這邊呢你把你們目前對這個影視音國際市場的推廣的相關計畫一份資料給我辦公室以上 |
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吳佩儀委員我的提案255號也是關心影視產業現場的勞動職業安全那這個除了制度改善之外其實也更重要是現場的落實所以制度上邀請影視局文化部跟我們的職安署我們在這個執影是應該要來修正 |
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未來也會有工作手冊這個你們正在進行當中我想這非常的重要但是另外呢要落實到現場我想第三方輔導機制這很重要因為我們勞檢員不可能隨時都在現場那第三方的輔導從事前的評估到現場的這些提出的建議這個也要拜託你們要來持續進行那第三點是還有地方政府這個因為很多這個審查這個安全的把關在地方政府要拜託這個影視局跟地方政府多多加強的來宣導 |
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吳麗娃委員謝謝主席我這邊一樣第254案一樣是關心我國影視內容進入到中國市場的現況跟挑戰因為我覺得常常在媒體上看到這個 |
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我們覺得說應該要有一些做法怎麼強化我國文化的主體性跟國家認同甚至是說在兼顧創作自由產業發展這方面去做出一些比較明確的規範不要讓大家無所適從 |
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例如說獲得補助的作品啊就應該要以中華民國台灣的名義來進行那這方面我們是希望說能夠讓文化部去重視那也避免受限我們對單一市場的依賴那持續的去符合文化部所謂的壯大台灣文化內容這樣的一個目標那我這個部分呢因為也有來到辦公室做說明了所以改成主決議 |
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陳美語委員好 我的是252跟剛剛很多委員關係那一樣是隱私現場的勞動安全那第三方規範我們還是希望文化部這邊可以跟勞動部還有一些民間的團體一起努力這個部分我可以改成主決議 謝謝好 還有沒有委員有意見 |
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好 252到256全部改為主節域我們接著廣播電視事業輔導257案到259案齁那剛剛宣告的預算招列蔡遵守委員 |
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好我針對259案做個說明那這個是文化黑草國際台劇內容的一個升級的一個計畫那主要也就是希望這個台劇能夠走向國際當然我們也很樂意的來我們的目標是在扶植國際規格台劇的一個內容能夠來促進國際的合制那也能發展市場的一個拓展 |
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台際國際化國際合資跟國際平台能夠同時來發行是值得支持跟文化政策的一個方向但是我們現在所要監督的這個文化黑草計畫的預算最主要就是很怕就是 |
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補助款是會有重疊的一個現象因為補助的門檻很高又跟影視局既有的補助還有文策院投資以及其他文化內容資源高度的一個交疊 |
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如果沒有切換一個完整的交叉 查核就很有可能形成同一個案件 同一個公司 同一個製作團隊重複取得政府的補助跟投資所以政府用高額補助來推動國際級的一個台階更應該要很清楚的來說明這個資源是否有公平的一個配置 |
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是否有閉門重複的挹注還有是否能夠真正帶回國際市場的一個成果這個是我們關心的那我們希望能夠提出一個書面報告然後呢我原來是凍結4千萬那麼我現在改凍結1千萬以上好 |
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260到262還有沒有其他委員提案好 其他委員沒有意見257 258改為主決議那請部長回應 |
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我回答一下剛剛那個委員所擔心說重複投資或者輔導我們在整個針對影視作品的輔導裡面因為有黑曹計畫加上文車院還有我們的輔導金它是三種不同的評審跟三種不同的鑑定所以它有點交叉比對 |
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它是交叉比對能夠同時得到這些是交叉比對出來才能夠得到所以它不會重複事實上我們剛剛有提到因為有文化部的補助以後台灣的影視包括電影還有劇集在這幾年的確是非常蓬勃的發展我們下一步就是要透過這些資金 |
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繼續進行國際的合作還有打開國際市場那這些成績其實逐漸看到了希望委員能夠讓我們全數的運用這些錢 謝謝我們現在來處理那257 258改為主決議處理上個案外有委員提案凍結一千萬 |
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有沒有委員的意見有請說259案剛剛林委員部長有說明蔡選手委員所垂詢的有關匯聚台流的計畫其實今天從早到晚有很多委員都提及 |
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因為預算是四億多啦四億多那現在已經過了一半的年我還是回到一樣預算已經很緊了那如果凍結我覺得一千萬對於影視音的製作其實是一個不小的數次 |
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不管对于产业创作国际合制发行通路跟市场拓展我觉得都会产生影响所以我是希望说这笔预算我们还是能够支持文化部门该动之的可以动之但我们该把关也要把关所以我是希望这个冻结数是不是能够再讨论一下请村丑委员可以再思量1000万对于影视因的产制真的我觉得是非常高的一个冻结数 |
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嗯,好,那不然改動五百萬。好,蔡遵守委員,五百萬。郭益勤委員請發言。我想,因為我是來自影視產業喔,那其實非常非常知道,就是以我們今天在省這個今年的總預算到現在為止,其實這個年也過了大概一半多了啦。 |
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那這個部分如果凍結太多其實是真的會阻礙我們其實好不容易喔我一直不斷的在強調因為這個行業其實變動性跟一般大家的想像其實差別很大那我覺得這個是非常需要被支持也需要這份資源的啦那我想說是不是可以請這個村首委員可以再想一下這個凍結的數 |
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就是凍結的金額是不是可以稍稍微再少一點點好嗎好 以上好 部長直接回應好不好剛剛看500你好像點了兩次頭是要還是不要 |
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其實 刪的越少越好 因為這些錢沒關係 你直接講一個數字 好不好就能夠不刪最好好 部長說可以預算照列 那村州委員請說可不可以 還是說要好啦 那因為呢 這有關於這個本案的重點就是公共責任嘛 |
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那不然就三百萬因為一直在強調其實我都很支持文化部的所有的一個案子但是基於立法委員的一個天職就是要監督所以我們希望監督以後能夠做得更好這是我們所希望的請大家能夠 |
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瞭解我監督是我的責任然後做好是你們的責任我們共同來努力好 凍結300萬提出書面報告時的凍資接著處理260到262陳秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席我的案子在這邊是261案主要是流行音樂產業發展計畫的相關業務現在我們台灣的演唱會經濟崛起週末的演唱會幾乎是不間斷的但也產生了許多消費爭議 |
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大家應該有發現在演唱會之後呢市局平台對很多民眾反應抱怨說說他們的位置事先是被遮蔽的狀況但也很多民眾向下級會反應說演唱會的座位視線不佳並沒有在售票時候揭露也市局這邊有說明說多數的業者已經採行配套的措施在售票的時候會揭露視線遮蔽相關的資訊那在舞台搭建之後 |
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因為是在舞台搭建之後才能得知這是四線遮蔽區那所以主辦單位通常也會以簡訊告知民眾來提供換位或是退票的這個方式來因應但是呢應該還是有一些做得沒有這麼周延所以本席提這個案子是要提醒一切局 |
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要辅导所有的业者都能够采行配套措施来保障消费者的权益那演示局这边已经有来说明了但我是希望说你们可以做得更细致那我这个案子可以改组决议但是你们相关的有如果再精进的相关的计划要提供资料给本席谢谢好 曾助委员有没有什么意见 |
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好那針對260做個說明 |
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那今天早上事實上這個案子已經在討論了那在這裡我還是要再說就是叮嚀一下因為台灣原創音樂來扶植興銳的音樂人我們一定是支持的那提升流行音樂的產業的能量還有相關預算跟文化產業這個政策是必要性的但是呢 |
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因為我發現我們應該來討論要來檢討就是我們這一個音樂流行音樂的一個補助治理它總是整包或是整個專輯那這個裡面就會包到一些 |
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不堪入耳的今天早上都有提到的對於有高度歌詞涉及到高度粗俗的還有性暴力的甚至對於動物性異象引發外界對於政府補助的公共性跟審查的品質還有成果都必須要把關所以我覺得這個是要做一個檢討是不是以後呢 |
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這樣的一個作品進來之後應該要怎麼樣來做到不要讓這些品質差的音樂原創的音樂進到文化部的一個審查能夠把關讓真正品質好的音樂的原創音樂能夠來做一個 |
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補助 那整包就是有這些問題我們希望文化部能夠做一個檢討然後讓補助案能夠有成果 還要達到公共責任而少一個接觸的風險 還有行政中立以及能夠違規處理機制適合完整 |
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在這裡 等一下就請文化部來做一個說明這個嚴動是4千萬 那我現在先凍結1千萬以上 |
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好 魏維好 這邊我要特別講一下因為文化部常被我抱怨就是說在影視音裡面對於音樂的經費資源是最少的你們看這個電影9億這個廣播電視9億結果到流行音樂產業的時候就只有6億那文策院更不用說對於音樂產業那個比例不到兩成 |
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所以常被我抱怨所以这一笔我要特别拜托一下因为我们这一个计划像这个今年的这个最佳新人陈贤静然后去年这个山姆还有这个李竺鑫我们台湾有非常多这个真的很棒的创作者都是受益于这一个计划那现在整个流行音乐在世界上面都是资本在竞争所以我就是真的 |
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如果可以的話很希望可以拜託我們委員這一項預算我是真的很希望說可以照原列因為我覺得光是我們現在文化部給的支持我就已經一再跟他們抱怨說真的都不夠所以希望可以跟大家拜託一下好 還有沒有請委員要發言的沒有 我們主管機關要回覆了 |
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所以是主管機關先回覆嗎好主管機關先回覆好主席各位大家好我就針對今天其實大家很關心的這個108年補助毛小孩這個案子我就做一個整體的說明那事實上我們在這件事情發生的時候我們就做很多調查然後也做了檢討我們在6月2號那天其實我們有發文給教文委員會的還有每位委員我們都有送出報告給大家的可能大家 |
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或許委員太忙沒有特別仔細看到我們其實裡面已經有很詳細的紀錄了那我先口頭說明一下其實我們有對這個樂團一發生的時候我們就請他們做陳述意見因為他自己說他是抄襲但是他們回覆我們的意見是說因為他是在非正式的場合其實是用比較詼諧的方式來表達那事實上他們並沒有抄襲 |
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那接下來我們也覺得說我們應該送給108年的原來的評審委員再重新審視一次到底有沒有抄襲那原來的委員呢他們從專業的角度去回覆我們是說這兩首歌從旋律、音樂結構及整體聲音的表現上並沒有明顯達到實質相似的程度那我們得到他們的回覆之後我們覺得應該要更慎重因為 |
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著作權是很複雜的我們慎重起見我們就把這個案子整個送到中華音樂著作權協會就是MUST他們有申訴委員他們是律師專業的著作權律師來提供他們也提供了法律意見給我們那他們的意見是說爭議的語句因缺乏 |
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創作性而非著作權保護標的不申侵害著作權或虛驚授權是問題也就是說所謂的這些髒話他們是沒有創意的所以這些在著作權法上是沒有保護的一個標的所以也就是說他們這個案子是沒有侵害著作權 |
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那當我們了解整個案子整個評估下來我們發現其實都是認為沒有到達侵害著作權也沒有違法著作權也沒有違法我們要點的規定但是我們覺得引起這麼大的爭議我們覺得有必要要好好的去檢討所以我們內部也有做了一些檢討也請教很多業者我們做了一些措施第一個我們調整評審結構納入多元的觀點也就是說 |
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以往的評審結構是包括音樂的製作企劃編曲等等不同領域的專業那我們覺得我們增加了以前都是七個評審委員我們增加了兩位的作詞人也就是說將來會有九個作詞人來評審來提升整個製作的品質第二個我們增加茶盒項目也就是說我們從今年開始我們的茶盒項目包括會增加 |
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數位發行播放數也就是說你必須在申請的時候你要告訴我你將來你的播放數會達到什麼程度我們鼓勵創作者他必須要面對市場再來就是將來申請者最多只能獲得三次補助你三次過後你就要退場了你不要一直依賴政府的補助所以我們有做這樣的一個改革的機制這以上報告好 吳世耀委員 |
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要跟村首委員再三的請託金曲獎的頒獎典禮剛結束我們正為我們音樂人創造的無限的美好的台灣音樂大家都在振奮所以現在在審議流行音樂產業輔導的這個項目它確實在影視音裡頭預算額度本來就比較少一點 |
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那有關村長委員所建議的希望說公堂的補助要在審查的程序公共的責任的部分來優化就我所知就是為了要讓補助的作業更為嚴謹其實影視影局已經把現在的評審結構 |
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然后创作乐团类的补助的评审已经增加人数了从七位增加到九位也纳入了作词人等等不同的音乐领域的多元观点可以在评审机制里头能够落实而且为了要鼓励我们的音乐产业对接市场我们也另外新增了数位发行播放数 |
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这件事的查核项目让整个补助案的结案的效益评估更有多元可以参照的依据所以说另外还明定申请者能够获补助的上限好像有三次的补助上限尽可能让 |
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资源不会永远让同一群人来获得我们可以让新的音乐人新锐的团队可以获得国家预算的协助所以就我所看到的补助要点有这三大方向的精进所以希望村层委员可以看到影视音局在做的努力 |
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那給我們音樂人多一點的支持這是要拜託我是覺得可以不要凍結預算嗎因為剛剛前面一項已經凍結了300萬了那這一項是不是要不就並動好嗎這是為音樂人來請命謝謝 |
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我再說明一下我對於音樂人我一定是沒有意見的那我對文化部來講是恨鐵不成鋼就是說我們希望文化部在很多行政中立上能夠做好來所以我們才會在這一個部分來做一個監督 |
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之前因為還有其他的事情讓我們覺得就是行政不公義譬如說在政治敏感的時候就發布一些涉及到政黨選舉或是罷免等政治動員的一個疑慮所以讓社會只以政府的一個補助是否能有違反到行政中立所以我們才用這樣的一個方式來監督我們文化部能夠做得越做越好那剛剛有說明了 |
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那我覺得那個不是評審不是從七個然後變九個就會更好我覺得剛剛那個我講的就是你要把整個那個內容一定要 |
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詳細的一個監督裡面有一些因為現在很多都是整包整包很容易裡面就有摻沙不起有一些品質比較不好的包在一起我只是說我們希望年輕人都有機會品質不好的我們能夠事先能夠看到 |
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然後讓我們更多的年輕人有機會剛剛有講到說三次補助之後就不補助了我覺得這個很好讓年輕人不要只有靠政府自己要拿出自己的實力來透過政府的補助讓自己更自立自強這個我是相當支持的剛剛已經跟文化部溝通好了那我就凍結300萬 |
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好 葉元志委員請發言我想說這個議題最主要就是那一首歌啦性侵毛小孩 什麼插狗的插眼這首歌 那個時候我在委員會質詢的時候請局長唸嘛 沒辦法唸 因為說是女生然後叫部長是男生 男生也不敢唸這首歌爭議很大那它的爭議剛剛局長花很多時間在講著作權的問題我覺得大家care這個應該不是主要care著作權 |
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應該是Care說這樣的歌詞為什麼會得到文化部的補助那我剛剛也有聽到局長講了很多改革啦比如說加入了多元的評審或者是像播放量這個都沒有辦法杜絕這種歌詞啦搞不好這種越出俗的很多人還特別去點也不一定啦我不曉得啦你現在可不可以承諾大家你現在的改革就是你剛剛講了這麼多的方向 |
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哪一個改革是可以杜絕類似像這一首性輕毛小孩然後或者是很粗俗很粗俗的這種歌曲獲得你們的補助有什麼機制可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告就是因為這樣我們增加了兩名作詞因為作詞人可以嗎作詞他就會看內容啊看歌詞原來是都不看歌詞的不是因為以前的是編曲啊行銷啊不同領域的人比較沒有作詞人所以以前就代表你們以前做得很粗糙嘛 |
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不是啦 因為可能也沒有因為比較內容會想說創意然後剛剛委員講的就是我們也可以在那個結案的時候讓委員 因為我們結案委員都要再審查那內容的部分委員可以再把關一次這樣子 |
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還是爭取再論述一下機會其實當我知道你們增加評審的人數然後是focus在做詞人我心裡就覺得怪怪的台灣不能夠成為文化審查的國家尤其在音樂藝術文化相關的創作上那如果是因為過去發生過的個案 |
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然后就未来会不会就进入了作词人对于创作者的词的内容的审查这真的要很小心台湾不是中国我们不能针对文化内涵去审查当然要规避一些对于本来就有儿少法的规范 |
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任何事情都不能侵犯儿少的权益这不是在文化部门会发生所以我觉得这个我要我尊重你们对于机制的调整但是我觉得这个要非常的小心而我要说的非常的小心也是我在回应蔡村所委员您的提案 |
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因為您剛提到行政不中立提到一些政治立場那我就去看了您260案的內容我恍然大悟原來您是針對您的提案的本質主要的內容是針對可能 |
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這不好意思啦因為提案內容您自己也有寫了啦部分的音樂人對於支持大罷免的這件事情你們認為他們有特定的政治立場可是台灣就是一個自由民主的國家 |
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我們不能因為音樂人他個人對於他的政治理念他的想法我們就來進行這種預算審議當中的為難就剛剛我跟他說了對於作詞人我們要避免文字的審查我們不是中國我們是自由民主的台灣 |
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所以如果說村手委員您剛剛又再說明了這個部分我也非常感謝您是非常理性在闡述您的主張但是我要藉這個機會給文化部門提醒那如果是因為這所謂的音樂人他的政治立場他曾經有人支持過大罷免就要去凍結預算我真的很不能接受我也很不想要這樣可不可以大家再商量一下剛剛前一案已經凍三百萬了 |
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是不是要不然我們就並動否則我坐在這裡我支持您凍結這個案好像我就支持你說的因為支持特定的政治立場所以我要凍結預算我做不到我們不應該這樣 |
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所以我非常嚴肅的在看待這個問題如果我無私要坐在這裡我支持你我默許我不發聲就讓您因為你提案的內容有人曾經支持過大罷免所以要凍結音樂人的預算我沒有辦法對國人負責 |
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我希望孫所偉我們可以商量一下嗎因為你的提案內容就是這樣寫的這是你的提案內容沒有錯如果他今天不拿政府的補助他怎麼樣去反罷門他怎麼樣去那個罷門我都沒有意見今天我是只是針對行政中立的這一件事情來講那你不要牽扯到說我因為是他有罷門的這個字眼所以我去 |
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做這樣的一個那個這個凍結 這個憲會這樣凍結我是因為是政治化絕對沒有如果今天他不拿政府的補助他怎麼說我都沒有意見本來每個人都有自由啊言論自由 |
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我們台灣的核心價值但是問題它是拿到政府的補助所以我補助在這裡有言論然後我拿政府補助就不能有人論自由嗎那我個人的認知是這樣子啊如果那個市長委員你覺得拿那個政府的補助可以有政治立場那你個人的認知可以那我也沒有意見啊但是你也不能說我的意見這樣不對啊 |
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好來我先講兩句好不好我可以併動但是就是話不要講那麼難聽每個人都有立場啊那也不是你的立場才是立場啊不是啦 村長委員不要人家講你兩句然後你就併動啦我本來就有想要併動沒事啦我是認為啦第一我們絕對反對文化要審查 |
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我們絕對不能夠向中國大陸我們絕對反對一切共產主義但是我要講的是如果今天我也絕對支持吳士堯委員說的不能因為他支持大罷免我們就不給他補助可是現在有兩個問題我要說第一個 |
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是特定有民進黨的助理來獲得補助那內容又有些爭議的部分的話那我覺得就大可不必社會自由公平第二你可以支持大罷免任何的立場都沒有關係但你做出的音樂是告訴大家要罷免 |
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跟反罷免獲得了補助我相信民眾自有公平這已經不是支不支持大罷免或反對罷免而是為什麼公堂花在一方沒有公平也有反罷免的音樂獲得補助所以 |
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我相信村丑委員在提案的時候是用這樣子的一個意識來表述我們不需要直接扣帽子我想有些委員的論述我們認同但是也不需要加以擴張以上那陳培鈺委員再來葉元芝委員再來吳立華委員 |
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我尊重每一个委员的提案但是我要提醒如果按照这个逻辑我们先回应一下刚罗婷委赵伟说的如果他今天写的歌是针对大罢免然后他拿到了补助那我们当然可以理解在一旦委员的愤怒但是 |
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要不要叫文化部攤開來看啊所有當時被在野黨委員點名的那些歌手都已經站出來告訴你們他們曾經拿到那個補助的歌他發表的時間跟他拿到補助的時間那個時間點可能剛好就是那個時間差而已然後你們硬要說他是跟大爆棉有關這我也沒有辦法接受 |
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所有的創作歌手拿到補助的歌手都已經站出來說了他不是因為寫這個歌然後時間點補助的時間各位委員們你們辦公室都可以鎖資啊你們為什麼不敢去鎖資站出來說是哪一首歌哪一個歌手他的歌詞他的曲因為支持公開支持大爆米而且去寫了補助案 |
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在文化部的預算裡面寫了補助案然後他就寫這個歌 他就唱出來了講嘛 到目前為止你們點不出一首歌 講不出一個歌手是因為寫了支持大罷免的歌 拿到補助所以請不要再造謠栽贓給所有的創作人 |
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所以我要說蔡村崇為你的提案如果你要針對108年那個歌手的案子我覺得他就就事論事不要再扯到大罷免今天是你要開啟這個話題接下來我要說文化部剛剛提到你們針對歌詞的部分歌曲的不管是創作智慧財產權的部分或者是歌詞適當度的部分我要說 |
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剛私下委員提醒可能有兒少法的部分那可能大家還有關心動保法各式各樣倫理的議題如果創作者他用他自己文學性藝術性的手法透過了反諷透過了比擬的手法去傳達出某一種意境難道這真的是審查委員審查的出來了嗎 |
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但你們又說好啊那這樣的作品你就不要來申請補助各位全世界多少國家都在支持剛起步的創作者所以現在各位大委員們你們要告訴我們這些剛起步的創作者就算他用各種文學藝術手法寫的東西讓你覺得不舒服你就要叫文化部不要給他補助嗎我覺得這都是可商議可討論的 |
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但今天在討論預算的時候請支持所有在創作這個領域努力的人今天討論的是歌曲未來你們會不會把你們的手伸進跟文學有關 跟漫畫有關跟雜誌有關 跟電影有關所有的內容創作補助在文化部 在文策院都存在各位大委員們怎麼看這些內容 |
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怎麼去想像這些想要為台灣的內容發聲轉譯為文學藝術創作的人他們的努力呢我覺得請大家三思所以我富裕無私要委員的我沒有辦法接受蔡春草委員的案子用這樣並動的方法好像我們也默認了這樣的處理方法 以上好 葉元之委員 你要先出來我說好 你先 |
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沒有啦主席我剛剛是附和你說我沒有要叫你回覆謝謝然後你不要點評我的發言我已經再次強調主席不要點評我們的發言我沒有要點評你的發言但是你一直說我沒辦法舉例我現在馬上就舉例嘛7月2025年7月25號的新聞饒舌歌手大支於24日發布新歌辣的裡面有米蘭郎合作的單曲裡面其中有一個 |
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很清楚明確的他的歌詞國民黨整組是歸咒海嘹嘹MV最後補助寫文化不補助所以我覺得不要說我舉不出來啦我現場就舉這一個給您參考我還是再次強調我們不接受任何文化的審查沒有問題 |
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但我拜託你你可不可以不要只補助特定的一個一方的音樂那你怎麼沒有補助一個罵民進黨海嘹嘹的這個就有確定有上新聞MV最後就寫文化不補助嘛啊你不要跟我扯說啊這不是這一筆錢啊就有這個潛力嘛多少錢補多少 |
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各位主席那不是我們補的那你為什麼後面寫文化部補助還是這一個歌手給你後面自己加字文化部補助那不是那請文化部說明來這裡這是不是文化部的LOGO但是7月25日 |
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補那個節目不是補那個歌曲都你們在說啦對啊主席你要不要道歉你剛剛講的已經留下公報紀錄你要不要道歉沒有關係你留啊我還講過了再講一張MV的後面主席就公開造謠再一張抹黑嘛 |
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不是那一種啦 節目跟歌是一樣的為什麼大米的歌曲可以得到文化部的補助嘛為什麼大米的歌曲可以得到文化部的補助嘛連節目跟歌都分不清楚那首歌曲沒有獲得文化部的補助我自信一下我可以發言嗎我可以發言嗎 主席 |
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他這裡也有說啦就是補助整體的計畫嘛你就語錄均沾到你還要硬扯說哎呦他就是左邊補到右邊沒補到哎呦語錄均沾這個你不要說我不知道啦話都你在講嘛主席那這樣那大家就來講啊他就跟你講是補助節目你是沒得聽啊他就跟你講是補助那個節目那節目裡面的幾首歌嘛 |
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那你怎麼不敢回答節目裡面幾首歌你要不要一個一個點出來節目裡面還彈了什麼嘛你現在是要要問他問題你剛剛說完全一首都沒有啊我現在舉到一首啊就跟你說不是那一首嘛 |
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文化部剛告訴你是補助節目不是補助那個歌曲又有補助到因為他補助整個節目他有受惠到嘛那你不能說他完全沒有吃到根嘛主席節目什麼叫節目我們來看一下節目製作節目的工作人員節目這麼多overall的節目那你要不要問一下文化部補助的節目什麼嘛就好像你要做一本書你需要作者你需要教稿你需要印刷你需要裝訂你需要運送你需要發貨的人這些 |
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難道統一叫一本書嗎主席 搞清楚狀況好不好來 燕州人請刷眼 |
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我一開始講就是針對那個性侵毛小孩這首歌陳佩玉委員認為說不應該審查這種歌詞所以我不知道他是不是支持這首歌我抗議我沒有說不應該審查歌詞我剛剛還幫你舉例動保法我還幫你舉例動保法那你在吵這個幹嘛 |
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那大家都有共識啦那你何必要在這邊爭執咧如果大家都有共識說辛親毛小孩 插狗的 插眼這種歌詞不能得到文化部的補助那大家就沒有 就不需要吵啦所以剛剛的問題是因為這樣引發的嘛 |
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那吳少偉委員講說增加兩個歌詞那個作詞的人去當評審做思想審查我們不是中國大陸所以對 那沒有問題啊為什麼反正現在執政黨是民進黨啊要審查也是審查比較反民進黨的言論啊 |
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對 所以 那我覺得今天蔡村城 菁姐妳知委員請妳不要又造謠什麼叫做審查反民進黨的言論妳不要再無中生有好不好 妳今天 妳今天大委員講話可以這樣不負責任嗎 民進黨執政嘛現在是民進黨執政妳故意扯到說好像以前有 妳有沒有講到以前國民黨執政的時候在管課本管歌詞歌曲啊 妳就是在影射這個東西啊我沒有影射 我就直接想戒嚴實範吧 妳還跟我講嗎 我在發言妳可以不要插嘴嗎妳可以不要插嘴 禁書是妳們發明的嗎妳可以不要插嘴 手勢不要那麼多好不好以前國民黨的時候有 又來欸 等一下我們兩個你們是團隊插嘴喔 |
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我講一下不行喔 以前有經過現在不應當再有不應當再存在不應當再有在任何的經過我希望委員不要擔擾發言好不好那一直在講抹黑的事情你剛剛也聽 我也聽不下去啊我也沒有打你唱啊你講完我們也聽不下去啊奇怪 你就一定要查別人喔那我覺得蔡春秋委員這個案子啦其實她最主要想要表達的是一個希望文化部可以行政中立啦不管是補助什麼項目 |
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不管是歌曲也好或者是音樂人或者是電影電視也好不要因為他們的立場比較偏向綠的就得到特別多的補助像今天下午譬如說九把刀九把刀也是支持大罷免的功夫片我有看到部長你道歉了那時候去審國發基金你道歉你覺得怎麼會投資一個票房那麼差的但是我在這邊我也覺得很奇怪的是 |
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他這把功夫這部電影他可以得到國發基金投資理論上應該是覺得很看好這個導演覺得他很棒電影會紅所以投資他另外又可以得到三千五百萬的電影輔導金電影輔導金理論上應該是他是一個可能是剛出來的導演然後需要輔導的所以才要幫助他怎麼同時可以拿到國發基金又可以同時拿到輔導金是不是因為 |
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它是綠油油的關係我提出這樣的質疑所以這個案子的本質是希望文化部在補助的時候可以行政中立那泰川總委員只是提一個大發明當作例子所以希望說文化部可以做出這樣的承諾以後補助不管什麼項目都可以做到行政中立不要偏向任何一個黨那第二個我們在乎的就是像那種什麼性侵毛小孩這種歌曲 |
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那他如果沒有得到政府補助 納稅人的錢 大家都沒有意見可是他拿到納稅人的錢 做出這樣的歌詞大家當然不能接受所以這種狀況 一定以後都要避免了好 我想吳立華委員 |
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謝謝主席我不是要加入論戰我只是針對主席剛才有提到某位民進黨的助理接受補助這件事我要導正視聽因為這個助理受很大的傷害這位助理楊淑雅她是台大西岩社很傑出的一個西花唱歌歌手來到立法院工作 |
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是因為針對陳玉珍她有提到丟掉那個要飯的碗那她發揮她的嘻哈精神就是一種反叛、獨立、反思這樣的一個精神說 |
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政府的補助本來就是給音樂人的所以這個合法如果你要說丟掉要飯的碗這個是合法的飯你不要嗎他個人從來沒有申請過政府的任何補助 |
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所以這個部分真的一定要導正視聽那我再強調一次他沒有申請過政府的任何一筆補助他只是為了要去提出對陳玉珍丟掉要飯的碗去提出質疑做出這樣的言論 謝謝胡佩儀委員 |
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好 這個大家真的是辛苦了因為從早上九點鐘到現在一路晚上八點半那我想 因為其實剛剛討論我聽起來我覺得我們大家都有共識就是審查真的是要行政中立這個我也非常贊同所以是不是因為剛剛這個提案五的原因也有提到同意說併動嘛我是想要提議說是不是請文化部要承諾這個未來的審查都一定要嚴守行政中立那剛剛前一段因為本來是動300嘛我是不是提案我們就併動400萬 |
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病棟三百嗎那是不是病棟三百萬同意提案委員剛剛是說病棟三百同意 |
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其實我承諾以後行政中立其實我不只承諾以後我來之後所有的評審委員都沒有政治立場我甚至於最後選出來是誰我都在我桌上才看到因為我經歷過前面戒嚴時代就是有那個行政不中立所以今天台灣走到民主自由我一定要捍衛那個行政中立 |
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所以我跟各位保證以前跟以後我們都行政中立這是我們得來不易的自由民主的時代我可以保證陳佩玉委員你剛剛不是有舉手我就服役那個剛剛史堯跟佩玉的提案謝謝淳仇委員OK嗎 |
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我在這裡要再說一下病棟三百萬病棟三百萬我都很好商量到這邊來到立法院來我都提醒自己要理性問政我沒有什麼特別的立場那我只是要求說行政中立有什麼不對以上 |
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流行音樂產業輔導提案號260到262改為主決議261出以上提案本幕合併與第三幕凍結300萬提出書面報告時的動之接著處理提案263到264263到264有修正文字請問一下文化部遵照辦理修正通過接著處理 |
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好預算照列齁處理完畢影視流行音樂局接著處理國立傳統藝術中心國立傳統藝術中心第二幕傳統藝術中心業務提案號265 266 |
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好有沒有委員要表示意見好沒有我們265改成主決議處理上個案外預算照列 |
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好 我們接著處理國立傳統藝術中心之主角 E.T.R.267 |
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好 266 有好 簡短簡短就因為這傳譯中心那它有編就是台灣音樂的資源整合計畫那我在這邊要肯定因為我有看到傳譯中心呢買了很多過去原住民的歌曲卡帶那也跟文化發展中心原住民文化中心有辦一個延山歌手的一個展覽那我只是要提到說這個 |
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起步是非常好的那未來希望齁能夠去做更多這樣的一個音樂的取得之後除了辦展也能夠去做一些再製齁因為很多卡帶其實我們都找不到那既然你們找到我們希望可以再做更多的事情齁主決議謝謝好 預算招列265 266 |
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國立傳統藝術中心我們接著處理資組決議提案號267遵照辦理好遵照辦理召喚通過我們處理國立國立傳統藝術中心處理完畢 |
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需處理國立美術館及所屬稅出部分第五項國立美術館所屬第二幕美術館業務268 269麻煩請提案委員好都改成主決議 |
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好那個麥克風沒有錄到我再講一次那個第268案改組決議謝謝268 269改組決議預算照列接著處理一般建築及設備提案號270270 |
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委員有意見嗎好如果沒有的話我們目前我是簡列185萬那這個部分呢請部會先說明好嗎 |
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主席各位委員大家好我們這個部分事實上是列了就是是依照交通部經行政院核定的公務車電動化推動計劃因為我們的首長坐車已經使用10年了我們事實上是希望能夠響應 |
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2050的這個淨零轉型的這個國家核心發展目標那所以呢事實上就是要配合政府的淨零碳排的這個政策啦所以這個才會有這樣子的一個編列好那部長呢部長您早上不是說沒有要換車 |
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其實換車其實我們按照規定要換否則我的車是文化部最舊的一輛車再如果再延續下去我知道是國美館好想問你一下因為你代表整個部隊我想說整體不是你個人啦我不會關心你個人的車我只是用我的車來解釋說換車本身是按照政府的能源政策 |
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所以實際有需求嗎?因為早上你說沒有需求啊不是啊,我說我可以騎腳踏車就可以代表整個部會啦我想說他用整個文化部的立場說他都沒有要換車啦我自己騎腳踏車也可以他就釐清清楚說他自己的話那就OK了對,他是按照政府規定我想大家不是要開新車啦這裡不要誤會我們釐清就好了因為我想說是不是溝通上有出入那就... |
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配合 那當然你要說是文化部部長統籌的嘛 好不好那就預算照列喔改成組決議預算照列好 接著處理那個國立美術台灣美術館所屬的組決議喔 天安號21好 遵照辦理遵照辦理喔 照案通過下一個 |
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接著處理國立美術館的處理完畢工藝研究發展中心第二幕中心業務272273 |
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好273改主決議但是我還是要講就是那個公益中心很感謝有開始辦那個原住民的這個公益研討會但是我還是期待說可以朝向所謂的學術論壇讓更多原住民的木雕師傅他們能夠去被採訪被做填調被記錄然後也能夠提升原住民公益的在學術上的一個精進 |
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改組決議好273預算照列接著處理公益販研究中心之組決議274修正文字可以配合辦理嗎好遵照辦理這個預算照列啊好遵照辦理275組決議遵照辦理 |
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好對不起275是國立台灣博物館的啦但是那是主決議啦好不好 遵照辦理 照案通過再來 史前文化博物館276 277部長你直接回應就好遵照辦理 照案通過好接著處理人權博物館278 282 |
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好主席我是278我們有跟文化部有跟人權管溝通過了我們就還是希望你們可以加強各式各樣的宣導跟那個轉型正義的一些成果要轉換成不同的媒體跟載具出去讓更多人理解那這個部分我可以改組決議278謝謝278改組決議 |
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還有其他有意見嗎沒有我們其他的預算照列來補充宣告272改組決議現在處理 |
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283 主決議蔡君彰委員 遵照辦理遵照辦理 召喚通過國立台灣歷史館 稅數部分主決議 284 遵照辦理好 召喚通過接著我們處理國立台灣文學館稅數部分第11項 |
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那第二幕285到287好 謝謝主席那個我的案子是286我已經改了主決議那移警委員的285的案子也可以改成主決議 謝謝好 都改主決議其他沒有意見 照案通過預算照列喔 |
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補充宣告我們人權管第二幕博物館業務職推展278282預算照列該組決議278282278279該組決議好我們繼續 |
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接著我們要處理的國立文化機構作業基金提案1號 |
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蔡春熟委員的提案 凍結兩百萬請問說明我凍 欸 那個改成那個主決議好 改主決議喔 預算照列不好意思 盡量盡量 有問題我們再來沒關係改主決議 預算照列接著我們處理第二案固定資產建設改良擴充這一個案子也是改主決議好 改主決議預算照列 |
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接着我们处理国立文化机构作业基金的部分我们处理完毕了处理文化发展基金基金用途冻结200万可以改成组决议好 改组决议好 组决议第一案改组决议预算照列处理完毕我们接着处理国家表演艺术中心总收入第二案号第一案第二案 |
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蔡總統委員這兩案呢一樣改組決議好 改組決議 預算照列接著我們處理總支出第三案蔡總統委員一樣改組決議好 改組決議接著我們處理完畢喔預算照列我們國家表演藝術中心處理完畢接著我們國家表演藝術中心喔那行政法人已審查完畢請問需交由黨團協商嗎 |
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好 不用喔那本案不需交由黨團協商繼續處理行政法人文化內容測經院之主決議提案號1號 2號請部長回答這個遵照辦理好 謝謝遵照辦理提案號1號 2號遵照辦理 照案通過行政法人文化內容測經院處理完畢那行政法人文化內容測經院已審查完畢請問需交由黨團協商嗎 |
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好本案不需交由黨人協商接著處理執政法人國家電影及影視文化中心業務計劃提案號第一號好郭玉琴委員改組決議預算照列接著我們處理總支出提案號二號吳佩儀委員 |
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每一件改為主決議二號預算照列接著我們處理行政法人國家電影市文化中心處理完畢行政法人國家電影市文化中心以審查完畢請問需交由黨人協商嗎不用黨人協商 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
好 審查結果免於重複宣讀在不影響文藝前提之下授權議事人員依115年度中央政府總預算案審查報告與黨團協商之範例整理列入記錄關於本日會議作如下決議115年度中央政府總預算案有關文化部及所屬單位預算案之下是及縣市政府一般性補助款文化部主管部分預算案國立文化機構作業基金及文化發展基金附屬單位預算案據審查完略 |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
115年度行政法人國家表演藝術中心文化內容測試院國家電影及視聽文化中心預算案均審查完據以擬據我們審查報告提請院會公決不須交黨團協商院會討論時由羅交集委員來親自補充說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
本會主審中華民國155年度中央政府總預算案公務預算及分業基金預算部分均應審查完畢有關正式別算稅出預算隨同以上機關機關別審查結果調整 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8620.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
理據審查報告韓副財政委員會審查結果需交由黨團協商院會討論時由羅昭吉委員庭委補充說明同意是否由羅昭吉委員補充說明好同意由羅昭吉委員補充說明對委員 |
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8622.706 |
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8633.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
對委員質詢要求提供相關資料未及答覆部分請相關機關盡速以書面答覆報告委員會今日議程處理完畢現在散會 |
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8640.709 |
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我們跟部長拍個照 |