| IVOD_ID |
17567 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17567 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-02T08:35:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-02T12:00:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:24:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db54a3d42338be12647db068076667a51b7149c28021a32520688293cabf2ecb3a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查：
一、 115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部所屬單位 ：產業發展署、標準檢驗局、智慧財產局、商業發展署、中小及新創企業署及產業園區管理局部分。
二、 115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。(處理)
【7月1日及7月2日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:35:31 - 12:00:00 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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好我們現在開會進行討論事項請宣讀討論事項繼續審查1.115年度的中央政府總預算案關於經濟部所屬單位產業發展署標準檢驗局智慧財產局商業發展署中小及新創企業署及產業園區管理局部分2.115年度的中央政府總預算案指向市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算宣布完畢 |
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我們介紹一下在場的機關首長首先經濟部部長龔明鑫產業發展署署長邱求慧標準局局長陳怡伶制裁局局長廖承威三方署署長蘇文林中企署副署長李嘉錦 |
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產業區管理局局長楊志清水利署署長林元鵬行政院主計總署公務預算處專門委員張正輝 |
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好那經濟部的公務預算已在4月22號第10次會議巡查結束6月18日第18次會議進行第一次審查今天繼續進行經濟部首署單頁產業發展署標準檢驗局智慧財產局商業發展署中小及新創企業署及產業園區管理局部分 |
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直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算之審查審查的程序如下稅入部分依款別以項為單位稅出部分依機關別以目為單位依序討論現在請宣讀委員提案宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商 |
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產發署第一案媒體政策及業務宣導減劣百分之三十楊求英等人提案第二案工業技術升級輔導減劣一千萬元陳亭飛等人提案第三案凍結百分之三宗嘉賓等人提案第四案凍結百分之一謝易鳳等人提案第五案凍結凍結百分之零點五陳亭飛等人提案第六案 |
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凍結五百萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第七案凍結五百萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案第八案發展新興高新興與高科技產業凍結百分之十陳昌明等人提案第九案凍結五百萬元邱志偉等人提案第十案低軌通訊衛星計劃減列三千萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十一案次世代通訊整合驗測試煉計劃減列五千萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十二案 |
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晶片驅動台灣產業創新AI產業應用與普及發展計劃及邊緣AI關鍵技術生態系統建置計劃凍結四分之一振振錢等人提案第十三案邊緣AI關鍵技術生態系統建構計劃凍結三千萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十四案智慧機器人關鍵技術及產業生態系統建置計劃凍結三千萬元洪玉祥等人提案第十五案 |
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驅動國內IC設計業者先進發展補助計劃凍結1億元李玉玲等人提案第16案凍結1億元洪玉祥等人提案第17案亞灣2.0智慧科技創新應用鋼藥計劃減列8000萬元洪玉祥等人提案第18案智慧製造人才培育計劃減列10%楊瓊英等人提案第19案綠能產業推動計劃及再生能源產業 |
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推動計劃凍結二分之一征征前等人提案第二十案台日產業優勢互補推動計劃凍結五百萬元呂一齡等人提案第二十一案發展新興與高科技產業業務費向下委辦費凍結五百萬元中嘉賓等人提案第二十二案撤進產業躍升與永續發展環境減劣百分之十楊求英等人提案第二十三案凍結百分之十蔡易宇等人提案第二十四案凍結 |
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百分之五宗嘉宾等人提案第二十五案冻结五百万元邱志伟等人提案第二十六案冻结五百万元邱志伟等人提案第二十七案冻结五百万元邱志伟等人提案第二十八案冻结五百万元邱志伟等人提案第二十九案冻结五百万元陈廷飞等人提案第三十案产业净零碳排推动计划减列五千万元冻结一亿元洪玉祥等人提案第三十一案 |
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產業淨零碳排推動計畫及中小企業淨零轉型計畫以及製造業因應氣候變遷策略計畫凍結四分之一振振前等人提案第32案車輛電子技電動商用車輛輔導開發計畫凍結四分之一振振前等人提案第33案無人機多元應用關鍵技術開發凍結一億元洪義祥等人提案第34案 |
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亚创中心强化计划冻结一亿元洪玉祥等人提案第35案国防产业创新发展推动计划冻结8000万元洪玉祥等人提案第36案军民用航派能量提升计划冻结3000万元洪玉祥等人提案第37案 |
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普惠科技驅動高齡市場商機計劃 凍結3000萬元 洪玉祥等人提案 第38案工具機產業價值鏈發展跨域整合推動計劃 凍結5000萬元 呂一林等人提案 第39案 凍結1%振振前等人提案第40案 |
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設計驅動跨域整合創新2.0計劃 簡列8000萬元 洪玉祥等人提案 第41案製造業數位轉型應用加值計劃 凍結2000萬元 李玉玲等人提案第42案 策進產業躍升與永續發展環境向下業務費 凍結5% 宗嘉斌等人提案第43案 向下委辦費 凍結5000萬元 宗嘉斌等人提案第44案 |
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工業管理凍結200萬元戴瑞榮等人提案第45案智慧幹產業推動計程式智慧基礎計畫凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第46案凍結200萬元邱毅英等人提案第47案深度節能用戶導入行動計畫跨部會 |
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輔導顧問團及經濟部節能服務團計劃凍結500萬元陳昌明等人提案第48案國家藥物韌性整備計劃凍結四分之一徵徵前等人提案第49案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案50案至51案主決議請參議院 |
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標準及其所屬 稅入第62案 行政規費收入增列5000萬元 賴日榮等人提案稅出部分第63案 建立度量衡及標準檢測計畫 凍結1000萬元 邱志偉等人提案第64案 凍結150萬元 賴日榮等人提案 第65案 通訊產業應用檢測 |
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1927.564 |
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驗證檢列100萬元楊瓊英等人提案第66案凍結300萬元洪玉祥等人提案第67案智慧產業劑量檢測驗證及國際鏈結凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案第68案向下業務費向下委辦費檢列100萬元楊瓊英等人提案第69案儲能系統計充電設備 |
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檢測驗證檢列500萬元楊秋英等人提案 第七十案凍結1500萬元洪玉祥等人提案 第七十一案靜林科技標準檢測驗證凍結1000萬元邱志偉等人提案 第七十二案無碳電力憑證標準檢測驗證凍結10%洪玉祥等人提案 第七十三案綠電交易拓展 |
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1982.821 |
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技術位探查證技術凍結2000萬元李玉玲等人提案第74案凍結300萬元陳廷飛等人提案第75案建置巨量綠電憑證交易平台所需資訊軟硬體設備費凍結10%洪玉祥等人提案第76案淨零科技 |
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1989.564 |
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1995.526 |
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標準檢測驗證向下業務費凍結5%中嘉賓等人提案 第77案向下委辦費凍結5%中嘉賓等人提案 第78案標準檢驗及度證管理凍結150萬元耐熱容等人提案 第79案強化商品檢 |
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驗及驗證效能凍結500萬元蔡宇宜等人提案 第八十案鄉下業務費凍結1000萬元鍾嘉斌等人提案 第八十一案發展檢視驗證發展檢視驗計技術服務鄉下設備及投資凍結500萬元洪玉祥等人提案 八十二案到八十八案主決議請參議員 |
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2041.463 |
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制裁局部分89案行政規費收入增列1億元賴瑞榮等人提案第90案智慧財產權科技發展凍結150萬元賴瑞榮等人提案第91案智慧財產服務暨業界運用效能躍升 |
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2059.433 |
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簡列150萬元陳亭飛等人提案 第92案凍結3%謝一鳳等人提案 第93案凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案 第94案凍結1%邱毅寅等人提案 第15案優化治權資訊與產業應用服務計劃 凍結4000萬元呂玉玲等人提案 第96案 |
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2084.668 |
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自權推進智能轉型凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案第97案凍結500萬元洪義祥等人提案第98案凍結3%謝易鳳等人提案第99案推動保護智慧財產權凍結150萬元賴日榮等人提案第100案到110案主決議請參議院 |
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2112.222 |
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105案推促进商业科技发展冻结三分之一真真钱等人提案第106案冻结20%杨球英等人提案第107案冻结1%陈廷飞等人提案第108案冻结1%谢一凤等人提案第109案提升服务业竞争力向下委办费 |
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2123.698 |
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向下營造服務業優質發展環境凍結1500萬元離林等提案第110案商業服務業創新與低碳發展業務費向下違辦費凍結3500萬元中加冰等提案第111案推動餐飲國際化及科技化 |
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2138.07 |
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2147.673 |
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委辦費向下推動餐飲服務業優質成長暨國際推廣凍結500萬元李玉玲等人提案112案擴大商業服務業需求市場計劃凍結1%邱玉玲等人提案113案推動商業服務業升級成長提 |
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2166.609 |
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提升服務成長動能凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案114案向下業務費向下委辦費凍結500萬元陳昌明等人提案第115案活絡商圈市場業勢經濟凍結10%陳昌明等人提案 |
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116案 凍結500萬元 邱志偉等人提案117案 凍結500萬元 邱志偉等人提案118案 向下業務費 向下委辦費 凍結5% 鄧家斌等人提案119案到121案 主決議請參議院 |
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2203.525 |
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122案中小及創新企業科技應用凍結1%謝易鳳等人提案 123案凍結150萬元賴日榮等人提案 124案凍結150萬元賴日榮等人提案 125案運用科技創新轉型升級凍結10%陳昌明等人提案 126案凍結 |
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2213.708 |
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2240.798 |
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百分之零点五陈廷飞等人提案第127案冻结五百万元邱志伟等人提案128案中小企业数据创新加值计划冻结五百万元吕玲等人提案129案创业剂创业资源整备服务计划冻结两千万元洪玉祥等人提案第130案福岛小微型企业数位加值计产业创新计划冻结三千万元洪玉祥等人提案 |
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2242.701 |
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2251.469 |
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131案新創加速成長計劃凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案132案扶植新創驅動企業創新轉型計劃凍結3000萬元洪玉祥等人提案133案智慧與靈產業創生計劃大南方智慧與靈產業推動辦公室計劃 |
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2264.301 |
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2271.663 |
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136案運用科技創新轉型升級向下業務費凍結2000萬元陳超明等人提案137案促進小型企業創新研發凍結2000萬元紅玉祥等人提案138案凍結1000萬元陳超明等人提案139案凍結300萬元邱志偉等人提案 |
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2292.53 |
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2304.621 |
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140案 向下業務費凍結1000萬元鋁一鈴等人提案141案 一般行政基本行政工作維持費向下業務費減列100萬元楊瓊英等人提案142案 中小級創新企業發展凍結200萬元賴若龍等人提案143案 驅動企業創新共融發展凍結10%蔡玉怡等人提案 |
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2317.412 |
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2320.593 |
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144案 凍結500萬元邱志偉等人提案145案 打造永續共好地方創生計畫凍結1500萬元洪玉祥等人提案146案 深度節能用戶導入行動計畫跨部會輔導顧問團及經濟部節能服務團 |
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2337.021 |
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2345.589 |
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凍結500萬元李玲等人提案147案驅動企業創新共融發展業務費向下資訊服務費減列10%楊瓊瑩等人提案148案強化資金規劃運用能力獎補助費向下對國內團體資補助凍結1億元洪玉祥等人提案149案到153案主決議請參閱 |
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2359.343 |
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2365.785 |
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154案 園區產業升級凍結5% 謝一鳳等人提案 155案 凍結100萬元賴瑞榮等人提案156案 推動海外產業聚落計畫 凍結1000萬元呂玲等人提案 157案 凍結800萬元邱志偉等人提案158案 凍結100萬元賴瑞榮等人提案 159案 產業園區 |
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2380.569 |
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2388.354 |
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業務凍結10% 蔡玉如等人提案160案 產業園區管理凍結26萬元 陳廷飛等人提案161案 凍結100萬元 賴樂榮等人提案162案 開發規劃與營建減劣10% 楊求英等人提案163案 凍結200萬元 邱志偉等人提案164案 凍結100萬元 李玉琳等人提案165至170案 主決議請參閱 宣讀完畢 |
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2424.265 |
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好 我們現在先進行經濟部所屬單頁產業發展署預算的一個協商在場委員的三位 |
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好那我們先從這個產發署這邊首先第一個案號是第一案楊瓊英委員提案媒體政策及業務宣導簡列30%楊瓊英委員不在請大家說明一下來你有連署嗎 |
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2460.967 |
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2477.934 |
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張偉還有各位委員大家早謝謝大家來審查這個經濟部的預算那我是不是先簡單兩分鐘張偉解釋一下產發署今年那個預算編列的這個金額整體產發署115年編列的預算是154億元那這個經費的這個用途就是要來協助我們國內的這個產業的這個發展針對第一案就可以了謝謝 |
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2490.011 |
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2510.704 |
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好那這個案子的話主要是針對這個煤炫的這個部分煤炫的這個部分來做這個審議那這部分的話我要說明一下因為這個我們現在產發署有推動很多的這些產業輔導的這些措施我們希望能夠讓更多的這些廠商他可以知道 |
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政府有些相關的措施可以來跟我們政府可以申請這些輔導或者是補助所以我們這些經費主要是在做一些成果的宣導還有更多的這些相關政府政策的這些宣導讓政府可以讓廠商民眾可以知道並不是去做什麼特定目的的這些宣傳我想這個部分是我們產業發展署在這個經費上面的用途那其實去年我們便便預算有一千 |
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2556.872 |
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800億 那我們1800萬我們今年等於是說也遵節預算編列這個770萬這樣的一個梅軒的這個預算 我們定會遵節來做使用是不是請各位委員可以支持李政委員有沒有已經有跟姚委員溝通了 |
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他是說這個同意說不要刪減這個經費那麼多他是說是不是5%他在討論的時候是這樣子做表達那他是說會議上可以再來做一個討論那個因為楊委員不在那個通常廷安委員如果不在大概會聽到政委員的說明我是這樣子因為已經過了 |
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2592.455 |
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2606.168 |
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過了半年多啦過了七個月 六個月啦那你們的錢大概也花了一半那給你再動 等於說你下半年就不能做任何媒體宣傳了為什麼重要呢 因為 |
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2607.611 |
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你們這些這個預算是產發所的媒宣主要是針對中小企業特別集中在中南部中小企業他們有一些行銷他們有一些是活動或者有一些這個可以幫他們這個做更多產業轉型的一些政策要讓他們充分知道 |
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2643.456 |
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也要讓所有的中小企業能夠感受到政府的相關政策所以我是建議這個檢列對他們下半年度的媒體宣傳會造成一些影響那是不是就適度凍結個5%然後讓人提出這個書面報告之後就可以凍結了 |
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那我覺得這整個署裁編700多萬我覺得還算合理還算合理這跟去年差不多嗎跟去年差不多那我覺得這個特別重要企業的轉型啊升級很多政策說明需要加強力道所以我是不是請委員會能夠支持這筆預算不要減劣凍結5%是不是兩個禮拜之內提出順便報告來凍結 |
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2683.761 |
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來 蔡委員按照剛才的說明如果是針對中小企業的話 |
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2686.174 |
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2711.616 |
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直接發問給他就好了更詳細更所以這個部分我聽了剛才的說明也聽不出他的必要性要這麼多了所以是不是剛才這個也提到了吧楊委員那就可以減3%其實是很少了應該還可以接受了 |
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2715.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2739.255 |
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我要補充一下這個 其實我們基金委員都很和諧我們需要促進產業的發展 促進農業的發展 促進國家的發展所以我當召委我處理國化會跟農業部基本上我們都用凍結的方式要用實際上支持預算 讓各部會能夠充分去施政今年比較特別 因為這預算省到現在已經過了七個月 |
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2740.646 |
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2768.784 |
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已經過了七個月所以是比較特別的狀況所以我覺得剩下五個剩下半年多的時間是不是就支持不要像國安會跟農業部也都沒有那麼簡略所以我們是象徵一帶給他們支持給他們鼓勵讓中產企業知道說我們政府的確是做他們的貨頓我想這個鄭元寧也在中南部有很多的選民 |
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所以這個 謝謝副協委員我們在彰化 因為我們這個水五金很多傳統產業我希望能夠支持來 |
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2780.902 |
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2808.498 |
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我稍微說明一下因為如果是中小企業應該是中企署第二個活動的宣傳經費來講的話其實對署來講這邊的簡列跟動我是覺得還好啦意義就是都還可以但是就是說因為你們的媒體廣宣我太理解了啦即使在這邊沒有媒體廣宣你們到各個計畫各個法人還是一堆媒體廣宣還是一堆活動 |
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2834.272 |
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所以我覺得這個這個這個看這個鄭天才委員這樣子的意思是減3%楊委員是減3%請楊同仁來再請他再說明一下啦先保留啦楊委員來再看看他的意見怎麼樣我們要尊重提案委員啦提案委員是跟你溝通是什麼 |
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2836.015 |
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他是說減百分之三再溝通他是說先百分之五啦在口頭上是先減百五但是他是有表達說是不是在會議上的時候大家再來溝通討論決定好啦我們議事可能要進行快點我們這個先保留啦等一下我們來我們再議啊好我們先保留第一案好 |
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好那接下來我們進行這個第一幕我們一頁一頁好所以我們先進行二到十二案第二案到第十二案那目前這邊第三案鍾嘉斌委員是撤案第四案謝一鳳委員改組決議第六案賴銳龍委員改組決議第七案鍾嘉斌改組決議第八案陳昌明委員改組決議第九案邱志瑋委員改組決議 |
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第12案鄭振淺委員改組決議然後在場的委員你們改組決議這個先問問有沒有意見的可以齁好再來陳亭飛委員又不在齁那接下來是第第10案跟第11案齁那個請懲罰署說明一下一併10跟11好那第10案跟第11案是洪昭偉的這個提案啦齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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那我們是在6月8號的時候有拜會這個常主任那資料的部分我們在6月30號的時候有做資料的補充那這兩個計畫在第十案的這個計畫是有提到有關於這個低軌通訊衛星的這個計畫那大家知道說這個低軌衛星現在是下個世代在通訊的這個過程中很重要的一個管道它可以達到比較大的一個覆蓋 |
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然後也可以提高更大的這個通訊的韌性那這個計畫主要是在做那個地面設備的開發因為台灣在地面設備開發方面是台灣的強項所以這個委員這邊是有在詢問說是不是能夠在計畫裡面強烈 |
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2968.133 |
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屆時我們輔導廠商開發出來的這個商轉啊 國際的訂單啊還有他的這個相關的這個成果歸屬 那我說明如下就是說因為這個計畫當然我們在預算書裡面還沒有辦法詳列這些項目因為這計畫的話是我們今年通過了以後才會去做扣案 扣案以後廠商進來我們當然是一定會很嚴格的依據委員的這個提示的這些項目來去做審查那我如果今年還沒有 |
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這個申請我也去以前的年度做例子我們現在已經協助超過有60家的廠商國內的廠商絕大部分也都是中華企業他們都已經有打入到這個衛星的地面設備的供應鏈他們的目標市場是全世界前三大的這個通訊衛星的廠商所以這部分的話是不是請委員可以來做支持那第11案他是做這個次世代通訊整合的這個驗測 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
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這個計畫主要的目的是要開發籌載我剛剛講的是地面設備那我們現在是這個計畫主要是開發在衛星上面的這個籌載這個難度又更高所以我們在這個計畫裡面希望能夠透過籌載的開發還有建置籌載的這個驗測的這樣一個環境 |
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來幫助我們國內的這些業者他們去做開發那這計畫的話委員有質疑說將來在這個建制完整它的整個試驗計畫的以後將來在收費的標準或者是說一些相關驗證的一些程序方面的話我們政府應該要予以去關注那我承諾這個委員將來我們在這個整個驗證程序更完整的以後整個驗證程序還有收費的機制的話我們都嚴與監督以上 |
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好我的問題是這樣為什麼我把這兩岸拿起來看因為我覺得因為在低軌的通訊衛星的話主要是我們之前就已經做很多大概我印象當中112年搞不好初期的時候技術師等等也有做一些研發那我現在比較好奇的是說因為我們產發署嘛 |
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除了要技術的研發當然是廠商前端但是就是說你的這個商機這個內外銷的比例大概是多少以目前我們福島的廠商就是它的金額產值這個內外銷的比例絕大部分都是外銷 |
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多少比例啊比例啊我如果是有判斷上九成以上都是外銷的因為如果是九成這個等一下在會後再給我報告因為我覺得這個基本上來講的話你要切進去那當然就是像SpaceX、OneWeb對不對那我覺得 |
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你說還包含這個Ameron的利用但是我覺得以目前來講可能SpaceX的一個就是從外銷的比喻上要想辦法把這一家我們的佔有率跟這個供應鏈的深度再擴大我有覺得它比較會有Global的一個Market其他那兩家我倒是覺得台灣是很奇怪的啦我個人的看法從技術跟市場的角度所以我是覺得應該是多認識 |
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那第11案是因為你的次世代通訊整合產業事業這也做很久了那我是覺得說它的經費還比低軌衛星地面站的還要多那雖然你剛剛講的是籌載那籌載部分當然我們知道因為你從這個接收 |
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轉接碼在發送的話那這當然會需要但是因為你們後面來講的話又寫了一大堆就是因為它是通訊檢測啊所以我是覺得如果你是通訊檢測的時候你這邊是要成立這個因為早期是我們參與這個SGPP的這些等等國有的檢測實驗室所以你現在這一個計畫是還是做通訊的檢測的實驗室 |
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對 就是說如果是要送到國外去檢測的話比較費時成本也比較高所以我們是鼓勵國內的業者也可以去通過國際標準的這種檢測認證實驗室在台灣設立幫助國內的廠商可以更快速的去通過國際的檢測 |
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對 因為以前的話我們是ORAM嘛 對不對這些東西那我現在是說你現在到次世代還是跟低軌衛星這些是相關的嘛所以在這個計畫裡頭到底我們到底要跟什麼樣的國際接軌區得什麼樣子的認證在台灣檢測的資格因為我看不到這個你們的報告或溝通的時候也沒有特別 |
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我有要求他沒有特別寫出來 這一點的承諾會是什麼 今年115年會有什麼樣子的這個國際標準的驗測是可以說Approve在台灣做比如說檢測或認證甚至發證我們在後來補充給這個辦公室的資料裡面是有提到啦 我們是至少會協助11家的這個廠商他們通過 |
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這個3GPP啦ORAN啦或是衛星的一些通訊組織的這些相關的approval啦這個是我們今年至少會協助的這些對 所以我還是要知道說是哪一個國際的標準對不對 然後我們要怎麼認測怎麼檢驗嘛那你什麼時候會取得這個資格啊 |
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這個我想是很重要可是我commitment就是錢給你沒有問題但是你的工作的產出的承諾到底是什麼這個比較不是很清楚好不好我這樣好了我大概知道這些的技術當然對我們都很重要所以我當時的檢列是我希望看到比較有實質的成果那我現在的話呢我想想看 |
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第一 第十案的話我就動你300就好了好不好然後你交書面報告給我那主要我想要看到是你的地面衛星站那個內外銷的比例然後外銷的話我們怎麼去擴大這個規模然後切到這個STARWEB去 |
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那第11案的話一樣我動差不多500萬然後也是給我報告這個報告主要就是我剛剛講的就是你在投入2億多也做了一半了所以到底我們今年會有什麼樣子的國際認證的接軌在我們這個實驗室通訊的實驗室裡面 |
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最好如果今年沒有那可能是不是明年初對不對或是明年Q1Q2之前不要到Q2啦Q1看是不是有一個這樣的國際的標準可以嗎好不好好這是這兩個案子所以第二個案子動多少第二個案子是變簡列還是動動動動都是動 |
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接下來的話我們進行第二頁的好像都是我的還有呂毅林委員13 14 16 17那先稍微說明一下這幾個計畫吧13 14跟16 17 |
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好那第13案的話是有關於這個邊緣運算的部分那邊緣運算的這個目的主要是說我們現在百工百業導入AI那很多這些中小企業他們是 |
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沒有辦法建置這個雲端的這個系統或是說雲端系統考慮有些資安的問題所以他們是比較偏向是希望能夠在邊緣在邊緣在Edge端就來導入這個公司的這個AI的百工百業特別是很適合裝潢器來做使用的這計畫是來開發這個邊緣運算的AI的這個技術的部分 |
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委員的這個詢詢是有關於說你要提出這個補助的這個經費的額度或廠商自籌的比例或一些擴散的一些相關的指標那這邊說明一下就是說我們這個一般是沒有限制經費的這個上限看看這個廠商的需求另外的話自籌比例的話我們一般都是會要求在50%以上 |
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至於說它的後續擴散的採用等等這些項目的話,我們都會納在評審的重要考量因素,來確保導入邊緣運算的AI以後就有很好的企業導入、應用、商業化的情形,這是第13項的部分。 |
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那第14案的這個部分是主要是針對這個智慧機器人的部分那大家知道這個智慧機器人現在移動mask的一個一個吹波斷纜之下現在 |
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慢慢的這個朝向除了過去的工業化以後現在也慢慢朝向一些服務業的甚至於居家的一些機器人的一些運用那在整個台灣在ICT方面的這些技術的掌握很適合台灣未來在智慧機器人方面能夠有更多的這些投入掌握這個市場的這個商機 |
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那這裡是有提到委員是有關切到說是不是能夠列出一些比較關鍵的一些零組件的品項或規格的這個部分那在這邊說明一下因為台灣現在比較缺的這個部分就是比較屬於這種結構件 |
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跟驅動艦的這些關鍵零組件這個是台灣現在比較缺的部分例如說像這關節的用的這些馬達這很多都還是要依賴一些國際的一些進口那至於說像一些感測的模組的部分這些也是比較欠缺的因為現在機器人都要有視覺所以這個光學雷達的這個部分也是一個重點 |
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那另外就是比較關鍵的這個減速機構的部分也是台灣比較缺的所以在我們希望說將來在推動這個計畫的過程中可以將那個關節的這個減速機的這個機構的國產率可以提高到50%以上這是我們重要的一個推動的方向 敬請委員可以支持 |
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那第16案的話是有關於這個IC設計的這個驅動國內IC設計的這個計畫那各位知道我們IC製造跟封測這個是台灣雖然很強其實台灣比較弱的半導體比較弱的是IC設計特別是中國現在追得很兇IC設計追得很兇所以這個計畫主要是在 |
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強化我們國內在IG設計方面的這樣的一個能量那特別是比較成熟製程的那中國都靠他的比較低價銷價競爭所以我們台灣應該要拉開跟他們之間的這個技術的這個差距盡量朝向比較高階製程的方向來做發展這個大概是我們這個計畫的這個目的那委員是有 |
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是有提到說第一個預算書裡面沒有揭露補助的上限跟審查的標準以及相關的這些量產驗證的這些門檻那說明如下就是說我們這計畫的上限有兩個規定第一個的話如果說是比較屬於可以導入AI百工百業 |
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使用的這種高階的這種IC的設計的話上限是3億元如果是那種可以取代紅色供應鏈的很關鍵的這種IC的話上限是2億元這個大概是我們計劃經費的上限一樣廠商都要自儲超過50%以上 |
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那至於說他的這個審查的標準啊或者是說技術移轉的一些相關的規定我們在審查的時候都會言語要求他們在一些相關量產啊或者是說一些產業化甚至於說會應用在哪一些這個產業的這個擴散這些時機都會當作是審查的重點好那第17案是在談到有關於這亞灣的部分那亞灣這個部分 |
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大家知道這個雅灣的這個部分主要的目的就是來協助雅灣的一些智慧科技的創新的應用透過雅灣來做一些國內的一些智慧科技的創新的實驗然後再擴散到全國來自於全世界那這裡是有委員是有關心到說是不是要去揭露一些產值啊就業啦或者是說高爾夫市政府地方也要適度的去分攤責任那我說明如下就是說我們 |
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當然今年還沒開始執行了我們用過去三年的這個例子來做說明的話就是我們有促成了25家ICT的這個產這個產業已經落地到亞灣去做投資了他總共進行了34項的這個科技應用的一個商轉那創造了大概是170億的這個產值以及創造大概是1400個這個就業的這個機會那高雄市政府其實他有 |
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做出一些投入 包括他提取出00688的這些租稅的這些誘因提供一些招商的一些輔導協助等等 這個是地方跟政府共同攜手來做推動的一個專案 以上 |
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好我聽完說明也跟你們溝通過第一個第13案這個HAI的話我跟你們溝通然後那個結果就是說HAI應該是做水平式的 |
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然後它做一個Perform之後讓我們各個垂直領域的這些的不管是終端的AI的應用應該可以在這個平台加速發展所以如果你們確認也是朝這樣的目標去做我13案我改主決議好不好因為我是怕你們又去做這個太垂直的好第14案的話呢我的問題就是說 |
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因為呢這個智慧機器人現在這個計畫是新興計畫還是過去的計畫延續對所以基本上來講既然是一個新興計畫所以我還是關切的就是說你們在這個裡頭的一個是產業生態系的建置那目前你們這個產業生態系大致上會落在哪裡啊落在哪裡區域 |
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我想區域可能委員有些人會比較誤解說我們就是會設在台南我想這個台南應該是一個示範的基地至於說我們整個產業的整個發展 |
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特別是中部地區中部地區這個是整個精密機械加工的一個重鎮所以我們應該是說台南這邊可能找一個區域做一個應用的一個檢測的一個基地但是整個產業發展不管是中部地區還是說新竹地區這些比較是原來精密機械加工的這些重鎮的地方 |
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就當好是這機器人的發展產業最密集的地方的話我們資源的話一定會做這樣子的一個更平衡的一個運用我可以說一下 |
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中部啊是這個精密機械的那個重鎮那再加上就是說如果未來的機器人的發展喔那整個供應鏈喔我覺得其實在中部地區有很很大的發展喔所以是不是應該要請就是說不管是產發所還有那個經濟部就是應該 |
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要考量到就是說就地就是說以目前現在的發展再加上精密機械現在在轉型上有一些瓶頸那搭配這樣子的一個就是發展機會看能不能協助我們的這個相關的中小企業都能夠就是踩到這一波轉型的機會我覺得這個是應該要想辦法來考量 |
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就是說就是因為一定要讓原本的供應鏈可以加入嘛就是有轉型的機會嘛好不好因為這個中部像比如商化地區有很多做那個比如說水五金啊或者是汽車零組件加工的這些廠商其實它也很適合來做這個機器人相關的零件不然我們本來那個它每一個piece你看那個售價那麼低看能不能就是可以增加更大的附加價值 |
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對 到一個比較售價高的這個產品那對於地方的就業還有地方的這個都可以有一個好的提升好不好 |
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然後特別跟張偉報告啦就是說在台南的這些預算都不是在我們家啦我正要跟你講啦 我就是說因為在技術 我很瞭解就是說技術師在這個不管柳營六甲這一塊地方他應該做的是比較比如說一些法輪進去的一個先進的技術的一個BASE啦然後因為你現在是產發署的這一個 |
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產業聚落的推動嘛因為要市場商機跟訂單的集中性嘛然後也考量廠商的就近的一個就是他本來就在地的生產就那個已經形成的所以說兩塊去配合就這樣子就好了好不好就是你不要再把那個往那邊倒然後這樣子會分不清楚那個分工這個就是台南柳營那個主要是法人科專嘛就是技術師的 |
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那法蘭克斯站的話 供應鏈它的人員是比較容易調度的它可以把相關的人員調度到那邊地方去但是台灣的整體供應鏈是不可能這樣做的因為它的工廠在哪裡就在哪裡不可能全部搬到台南去所以這個供應鏈的形成一定是全台灣包括中部地區全部一起link起來的所以這個還是有點差異因為他們主要是產業這個我都認同 我只是提醒 |
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就是說因為這個東西應該就是這樣子的分工啊這樣子部會產發署跟技術師也比較能夠有一個銜接好不好好那這個這樣好不好你就是把這樣子的規劃跟技術師的配合我動你300萬啊你寫個報告就是把這樣子的兩個單位的合作機制寫給我這樣子可以嗎好那你就可以動之好不好啊多久你就越快越好這樣子越快交就越快動之 |
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IC設計這一塊的地方的話呢就是 |
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我覺得要講清楚的我剛剛是沒有聽到很清楚因為我們的IC Design是要高階製程的一個晶片的設計還是要成熟因為我覺得成熟的話再補它也沒什麼用嘛然後你應該是去把高階的這個晶片我們在IC設計上面的缺口這邊去把它盤點出來然後你補的時候應該是你們自己有這樣子的方向 |
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方向比如說我隨便講的這個比如說無人機的籌載還是無人機的反干擾的晶片這個你要把那個方向定出來那我覺得產發署的這個電子組的話非常的非常清楚啦 |
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所以我是覺得你應該要把這一個盤點出來給我們一個這樣子的報告然後告訴我說你現在的比如說產業的補助應該是哪些他們是有機會再現有的能量再往上好不好因為我跟你們溝通的話就是沒有聽到這個東西啦好不好所以一樣就是我我再釐清一下確實是針對比較前瞻 |
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我知道但是前瞻裡頭你不能給我兩個字叫前瞻或高級啊到底是哪一些一定跟國外我們講那個ecosystem的那些的缺口有關係的嘛所以哪些已經很成熟了或是很有優勢的那當然就廠商自己再去做但哪一些是不夠的我們要補足的對不對甚至一些比較也不見得說是 |
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一定要是很新的設計公司啦我覺得像有一些這個比較成熟或是他想要往這個比較advanced的這個控制的這個方向去的話也可以只是說到底要補哪些的晶片的題目設計的題目那個再請你們電子組織跟我們再補充一下啦我們今年會特別強調在一些無人機智慧機器人跟低軌衛星的這些關鍵晶片那個還是落到我覺得還是太 |
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太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太太 |
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那我就動你們這一個五百萬 也是一樣兩個禮拜交這樣的報告給我好 然後呢 第十七案雅灣說實在雅灣我也做過第一代但不是你們的計畫所以我現在對雅灣來講的話就是說現在中汽署那邊也有那你們跟中汽署的分別會是什麼 |
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中技術的話是主要針對那個新創雅灣新創園的部分的導入那我們是比較用產業發展的這整體的這個角度包括像這個研訓中心的這個導入然後一些創新科技的這些實驗的部分因為我看你的這個報告會跟你們溝通的時候就是你們現在到底要在我們高雄雅灣到底要帶入什麼樣子的廠商因為我看起來又有 |
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一堆就是五花八門但是比較對我們高雄雅灣有競爭力的需要的這樣子的廠商到底是什麼類別然後你現在的這個指標性的廠商會是誰就是已經有的比如說像我們現在希望能夠帶入一些比較 |
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AI的一些比如說研訓中心希望能夠以大帶小帶動更多的這些研發到雅灣或者是他可以做更多的這些人才培訓跟地方的這些學校等等去做一些人才培育等等舉個例子比如說像鴻海 |
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也是有進出到亞灣然後投入一些資源但是鴻海不是說幫助他啦是鴻海用以大帶小的這個方式帶動更多的這些廠商他們可以去導入一些AI的這些資源然後在亞灣去落地然後去做一些創新的一些實驗等等啊比如說像這個比如像那個合碩合碩也是一個推動AI比較 |
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有力量的這個廠商藉由他的進駐設立原型中心然後可以帶動更多這些中產企業他現在是設立在哪個地方就是設立在亞灣裡面你說高蘭那一塊地區嗎還是在整個附近還是在這個高蘭裡面是不是 |
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在高瀾裡面在高瀾的一起還是一起在一起的旁邊好 邱委員謝謝主席太久沒講話有點沙啞 |
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這個雅灣我跟易營跟魏榮都非常熟悉這個高雄城市轉型一個重要關鍵當然城市轉型有兩大重要關鍵因為是朝向半導體高科技在北高雄是狼帶包括鹿竹包括橋頭包括白浦包括那是產業園區所以未來這個高科技半導體的製造是演化中心 |
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南高雄的部分 我們引頸期盼 過去大概從成居市長開始 打下電機電機之後我們開始要能夠起飛 帶動整個雅灣作為一個城市的改造願景 |
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所以對於雅灣相關的建設跟這個不管是硬體或者是招商或產業的進駐協助輔導市政府不遺餘力也投入非常多的經費如果只靠市政府我們沒辦法把雅灣做得很好 |
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也都需要這個產方署需要經濟部或者中信署全力支持這預算也不多啦那市政府出的也許還比較多我希望這個部分能夠透過中央跟地方協力讓雅灣成為一個產業轉型的一個重要的一個示範點能夠成為帶動高雄市發展的這個雙引擎之一我說的雙引擎就是北高雄的這個AI半導體 |
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南高雄的雅灣的高科技產業園區的建置所以我期待這部分能夠大家全力支持讓高雄能夠順利的成為一個產業發展的模範城市謝謝主席 |
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那高雄有雅灣那嘉義現在有雅創雅創基地那這雅創基地現在大概是經濟部北遊金屬中心那他可能就是目前就是規劃就是整個無人機的測試那以及現在無人機的一個試飛基地 |
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那無人機的試配基地經濟部這一邊你們最後盤整的地點究竟在哪邊這件事還沒有確定你們究竟如果是要放在第四聯隊就是空軍第四聯隊那跟國防部的溝通 |
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進行到哪裡這件事後續要追蹤那如果不是在空軍第四聯隊要放在布袋的外就是布袋三港的外側這邊那也是要做一個確定所以這件事我們希望經濟部要加速那第二就是說那整個亞創目前是跟湖北科技大學來做合作 |
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那虎克大他本身在飛機修理這一塊非常的強那在雅創的二期也就是現在嘉義縣瀑子跟太保的這個一期二期的雅創基地他們現在是需要 |
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要有更多的測試的資源那以及要有一些風動場的設備那這件事我也希望說整個經濟部在做這些預算的規劃的時候都必須要把它放進去也就是說未來整個無人機現在我看起來朝野共識要推動無人機那無人機最重要的是它後端的一個測試包括風動測試包括它產品的檢驗的測試這些都很重要 |
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那如果這一些可以趁早來準備那對於未來整個無人機的發動會有很大的幫助所以我們希望經濟部在這一塊也可以加速整個資源的一個投入謝謝那我要回應了沒關係等一下雅創的時候再一起回應因為後面還有雅創的案子但是你先記起來好不好請旁邊的幕僚 |
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那17案的話這一個雅灣其實不是不支持啦因為是你們寫的報告跟我溝通的討論一直讓我感覺到沒有幫高雄一個戰略性的一個規劃因為他也做很久這做幾年了雅灣 |
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基本上我是覺得五年過去了到底是帶動了什麼 |
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就是我沒有看到整體的效果跟價因為你這邊寫了很多就是說假設假設我是經濟部產發署我在做這個亞灣的時候到底我對高雄要帶來什麼戰略性的東西比如說你是要把高雄發展成IC設計還是封裝測試還是一個AI的設計還是一個AI的垂直領域的應用這到底是什麼 |
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那因為你有這個五年的戰略的目標所以我就人才就技術就廠商就市場那這幾個我怎麼產發署怎麼去補足或是怎麼去逐步實現我不希望說我們錢砸下去之後看不到成果那將來這樣子是很麻煩的就是我們花一堆錢然後我常常講一句話到時候看結果都是煩心點點 |
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那你倒不如一輪明月在手啊我把高雄這個雅灣地區打造成一個什麼XXX的先進的中心它的單子這邊是最多的到底它是什麼 |
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這是我目前看不到的,不是不支持,而是你們的規劃要有這樣的戰略的目標性,不然你五年過去,說實在五年過去了,你要叫部長叫院長,甚至叫我們高雄市市長,甚至我們這些高雄地區立委說,咬我們有什麼東西,我們說起來都煩心點點, |
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我們有AI,我們有什麼,我們有智慧安控,我們有使用沒人聽到你倒不如告訴我說,它有一個什麼東西是大家就知道,這就在這裡一定要來這邊 |
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那是我們當初設定的我們一定要來這邊然後在這邊做這個產業做這個應用我們比較有機會那個是什麼所以身為署長可能要去把這個Define想出來因為它累積下來也花不少錢所以我是期待是這樣子所以為什麼 |
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簡略並不是我特別的意思其實我想要跟你討論的是因為我有寫提案你們才會來找我討論嘛我才會跟你講大家的這一個戰略的目標會是什麼好不好所以我這邊一樣我大概是動你500然後呢也是讓我希望看到 |
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我們對雅灣未來的這個戰略的規劃報告會是什麼那我們現在做到哪裡我還差什麼所以我要補這些資源經費進來怎麼去預注另外當時我們念茲再茲的是說你不要說大公司進去然後就分公司設立因為我覺得那樣子還是比如說鴻海區還是設鴻海分公司他還是一家公司而已合作區高雄還是合作一家公司 而是說 |
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你應該就是比如說鼓勵這些鴻海或合作他是localize在地對不對設公司然後呢是繳這個營業稅給高雄市政府的懂我這意思嗎但他還是在這個集團底下然後他是專門做你剛剛戰略講的事情不然我們這樣投下去那高雄市啊或者是南部地區的這個稅收地方政府的稅收就還是沒辦法有大幅的成長那這樣子就不是很好 |
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因為這個是一個第二個是人才嘛因為人才的話就是說我們也希望增加在地的就業數量因為我雅灣第一期我參與過嘛所以我知道當時的目標是這個樣子就是要有個戰略然後你要localize大大小的公司在那邊設的是在高雄就是那個營業場所繳稅的是在高雄然後人才是不是北部的往下移然後又再回來每天坐高鐵這樣子這個不是當時的目的嘛 |
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所以我們是希望是這樣子的去發展我覺得四月到五年是到了檢驗他要怎麼做調整的一個很好的時機並不是否定你們的預算 而是你要去檢討你的執行的進度跟戰略上有沒有要調整 好不好大概是這樣子好 那接下來的話是第18案到第25案 |
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第十九案鄭振淺委員改組決議 二十一案鍾嘉斌吳立華等改組決議再來二十三案蔡奕瑜委員改組決議 二十四案鍾嘉斌吳立華等改組決議二十五案邱志偉等改組決議在場楊瓊英委員有沒有共同提案 沒有女藝林委員這邊 |
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沒有好再來的話我們進行到第4頁第4頁來講的話第26案邱志偉原改組決議27案邱志偉原改組決議28案邱志偉原改組決議 |
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31案政政前文改組決議 32案政政前文改組決議那陳廷飛委好再來我的30案跟33案先說明一下好了好第30案的話是昭緯這邊是有提案有關這個計劃是產業淨零碳排的推動計劃 |
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那當然大家知道說現在國際上這個淨零碳排的這個趨勢這個是非常重要的一個發展的趨勢所以我們怎麼樣去協助企業去導入這個減能減碳的一個輔導這是這個計畫的工作那張偉這邊比較關心的是說 |
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這個是不是能夠在這個所謂的減碳量計算的基準上面或基線年是相對哪一年或者說他會不會有不同的輔導計畫有這個重複認列這個減碳成果的這些效益等等 |
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還有就是說國內的這個碳費的這個機制是不是跟國際的這個碳定價是不是能夠去接軌 大概張偉是關心這幾個問題的那我大概說明如下第一個的話就是說我們的這些減碳量都會依他的減碳措施的類型 我們分不同的類型然後去採用適當的這個方法去做計算跟驗證 我們輔導那麼多年下來都會有一套的這些驗證的這個基準然後去看他的這個減碳量是不是能夠通過我們的這個驗證跟驗收 這個都會 |
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有一定的這個計算的這個基礎來做計算那而且呢我們是分行業別來做計算那在我們的整體的這個驗收過程中的話我們就會去檢視如果說他也有接受政府的一些相關的這個補助的話不同的這個計劃中間的這個是不是會重複計算的話我們都會來做一個檢視避免重複的這個申請跟計算那除此之外的話這個碳費 |
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碳費這部分 這個是環境部他也已經去跟歐盟這邊有做過交流了事實上這個碳費的這個部分是有機會可以將來在CBAN的這部分說去做檢除我想這部分的話環境部他也很努力的在將我們國內的這個碳定價的部分跟國際做一個接軌這是第30案的這個我們先停在30案 因為我剛看一下333 435 363 |
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到36都是跟無人機有些相關我覺得30案我當時會這樣子講就是我一直找你們溝通的是說因為我們現在淨零檢探嘛對不對那我們現在的這一個國內的碳費嘛然後你歐盟是CBAN對不對美國的話又是另外一套那我念之再之的是說我們的廠商其實在國內的這些的標準這跟等一下標準局也有關係啊 |
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就是那麼多套的國內的比如說那個淨零錢碳盤查對不對然後你的碳量減碳的計算基準等等這些東西的標準你懂我意思嗎就是他可能要面臨很多套還有金管會在ESG那邊又不同套所以我念之再之是產發署應該要去做一件事情讓國內的廠商只有一套的標準就好 |
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所以一套的標準說如果沒辦法比如金管會規定我們這個不同的工業有不同的規定但儘量我們去把那一個中間的資料層的middleware把它統一完然後再委託比如說外包案或不管是財團法人或者是民間支付去把這一個middleware的銜接給做出來 |
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這個是我覺得是產發署該做這件事情那這樣子他整個廠商我們這些中小企業甚至這些的傳統產業他只要跟任何一家國內的軟體或支付買那他們用的標準什麼東西是即使是國際認可的三套或兩套標準那他其實透過Beta Link去銜接就可以統整他不要做三套做四套對不對 |
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因應不同的標準不同的產業不同的我覺得產發署要去解決這一個問題那至於他這個做完之後跟國外的CBAN或者是美國的這個規格的銜接那當然是等衛福部去把這個雙方談好但是在還沒談之前一樣啊你國內這個統一完之後接國際的接軌這是你下一階段這個也要把它給define出來那不用寄望速發布了 |
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因為他對產業domain know-how也沒有你理解然後他錢又少你不要告訴我又推給說他是管軟體管支付所以這不歸我管我不喜歡啦我覺得這個是廠方署就扛起這個責任因為這個問題很久了一直沒解決 |
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你們也都會碰到這種問題我覺得你如果把它做出來是國內的企業之福啊既然是國內很大的痛那就是我們這一個部門該去解決的所以為什麼挑這個案子來寫預算需求的目的是這樣子因為我還是看不到你在做這件事情當然 |
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你這邊還有很多是要補助那個我跟你們溝通是要補助那些什麼的這個鍋爐的中湖燃的中碳排的鍋爐的補助要轉換成天然的燃氣的 |
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我覺得那個東西如果是廠商可以自己要負責就他自己負責但是我覺得我也沒有反對但是我剛剛講的那個工作是你們應該要去做的我希望在看到你明年的預算或工作規劃能夠把這一塊放進來然後好好去做我的期待那這個地方我就凍結你這十億 |
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動一圈好了好不好然後一樣給我剛剛那樣子的規劃報告之前我也找你們溝通過嘛我念之再之就是這個問題那我也跟部長說過也跟你署長說過所以我覺得這個是對我很關心的問題那再來的話謝議員 |
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赵伟讲的都很对就是说怎么样协助就是说中小企业或者是企业在就是不同的ESG跟这个近邻的这个过程当中能够简便这个程序那也希望说部长在跨部会的会议里面可以提到因为毕竟现在的确 |
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要部長在跨部會的會議裡面有提到這些喔那他們下面的人比較好做事喔那才有可能有辦法完成喔因為這也涉及到其他部會相關的這個他才不然就是說你現在要求產法署做他可能到了就是說 |
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各部會的時候有可能就是說可能到了金管會或者是財政部或者是環境部這個相關的時候他可能會面臨到其他的問題那也是希望說就是說未來提到跨部會來討論說怎麼樣子減輕就是企業在這個就是說淨零碳排還有這個永續的計畫書這個部分怎麼樣子做一個比較好的一個妥適性的 |
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一個簡便的一個電子的電子的那個就是說系統就是比較是工具類的整合嘛那你上面一定是會有個資料的標準的線接不過中小企業的那個的轉移還是很重要的他要去做出這樣子的一個東西製造業的設備的那個也是很重要是啊是啊好 可以啦 |
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部長要回應事實上是 |
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的确有一些企业界是有这样的诉求比如说因为它如果是上市会公司它要是揭露ESG的相关的资料环境部它有它因为CBAN相关的一些相关规划所以就是说我们三个部会是有横向的有做一些讨论如果说要要求什么样的情况之下三方面稍微对一下不要重复的要求 |
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那這樣的話有共通的需要的話那當然每個部會他除了這些共通的要求之外他還有特殊的要求那當然是尊重各部會但是基本上有共通的需求的時候就不用再重複的那大家就可以填寫這個資料就可以有一次性他可以減少這個至少會計師的簽證費用他們很關心這個 |
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對 就是以前我們在做ABCD計畫是一樣的啊就是你整個這些的OEN ODM廠它上來它是一個平台嘛 從那個平台去銜接再上去那我是覺得產發署要去把這個平台這樣的標準規格不用你自己做 但你把標準規格定出來 那你再委託不管法人或者是民間的 |
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資訊軟體業者我比較強調是這種工具跟資料規格統一至於標準當然是未服務金管會定那我們只是要求這些人我們去把它彙整這樣出來比較好大概是比較偏這樣子的一個結果但廠商的effort很大中小企業沒能力做然後要做好幾套那就很辛苦好不好好那再來33到 |
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我看一下33到到36好了一起那都是我的33到36然後剛剛那個蔡義宇委員的雅創中心的強化你也順便回應一下在34在那邊好 |
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那33的話主要是針對無人機的部分 這個計畫主要是針對一些多元應用關鍵技術的開發計畫那張偉這邊比較關心的是說在這計畫裡面要去揭露 揭露一些比較 |
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關鍵的這些技術缺口的這個清單跟項目然後第二個的話就是要去能夠去做國外認證的一個銜接那我說明如下第一個的話就是說我們事實上也曾經把整個無人機的整個這個供應鏈做了盤點所以我們大概對現在整個無人機的技術缺口大概也是掌握得相當的清楚那剛好我們現在也成立了一個 |
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一個無人載具的一個外銷商機聯盟透過這個聯盟的整合怎麼樣能夠去把將台灣的整個無人機的這個整個缺口跟整個供應鏈能夠補得更完善那我們現在比較覺得比較缺乏的就是大概是在籌載 |
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通訊跟非導控的模組方面過去我們曾經有盤點過三斤二卵這幾個項目其實我們研究結果也不一定是說台灣做不到啦就是說希望能夠透過比較大的這些經濟規模讓我們國內的這些 |
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軟體跟這個晶片的業者他們就有經濟的誘因去做導入我想這個部分我們都會做很詳細的這個盤點然後對國內最缺的這個技術去投資資源那國外認證的部分的話跟跟各位委員跟趙委報告其實 |
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我們最近很努力的去取得取得那個綠色的國際綠色無人機的認證那我們是美國本土以外第一個國家取得這個國際綠色無人機的這個認證那通過在台灣認證通過了以後就可以更快速的去打入全世界這個市場而且它成本跟時間的成本都會比較低這個部分的話就做以上的說明 |
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那34案的話是提到雅創的部分那34案雅創的部分剛才蔡委員也有提到就是說 |
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我先回應那個洪釗偉的這個提問洪釗偉是說好像並沒有在裡面揭露那個有關那個場域整建的這個預算的部分那事實上場域整建部分是有在裡面但是不是在這一幕啦是在這個工業管理預算的第三幕底下有一個工建計畫我們另外有編列了一個8000萬是在那個地方做整建的部分那這個地方的話 |
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是比較偏向也是剛才這個蔡委員提到的就是說能夠進駐到裡面去建置一些比較驗證的這樣的一個能量還有試試的能量還有測試的能量等等是比較屬於這樣的一個預算是變在這個地方那剛才好像蔡委員還有關心到那個是非場域的部分 |
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那是非場域的部分的話現在主要是交通部這邊在做盤點那現在比較中小型的已經有19個他現在已經有盤點19個這個給中小的這個這個無人機去做測試的那比較缺的是比較中大型的啦中大型的那現在 |
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是鎖定了幾個 包括比如說像水上機場 恆春機場幾個項目剛剛那個蔡委員有幾個關心的這個點的話我們就會跟交通部 還有跟國防部這邊再來協商一下能夠提供給業者更多的這些測試的場域那第35是國防產業創新發展計畫那這個計畫主要是 |
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招委是比較關心的 就是說你要先確定人家國防部要什麼東西啊他的採購期程要搭配國防部的這個需求來去做開發那我說明如下啦 事實上我們過去跟國防部在這個在這個 |
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這個國防這個軍用商規的一個運用上面都已經有建立跨部會合作的這個機制了例如說像這個現在我們有一個產業化圓桌會議已經盤點了有31項的這個軍品的需求所以我們對於這個國防部他們要的這些東西確實都有密切的掌握然後在這個計畫裡面去開發出來非紅的或者是說這些這個軍艦 國艦 |
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跟這個國基等等的這些項目來做一些廠商的輔導然後可以滿足我們這個國防自主這樣的一個需要然後第36的話是有關於這個軍民用的這個航太能量的提升的這個計畫那這計畫的話我也比較關心的是你好像沒有揭露一些需求的廠商是誰還有他的國際訂單的這個金額會達到多少這樣 |
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那跟張偉報告啦 其實現在我們跟國際這種大廠合作在機體結構件方面跟複合材料方面的這個提供現在有一個很大的這個商機現在有一個很大的商機例如說像那個糖巴底 這個就很有機會我們可以取得他一個很大很大的這個訂單那這個訂單當然也許是漢想先去給他接下來可是各位這個其實 |
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底下會帶動很多很多這些國內供應商都可以加入這個龐巴底的這個供應鏈裡面當然也不一定是龐巴底啦比如是像空巴等等這個我們有機會可以去給它做切入這個應該可以大幅的增加我們國內在金屬加工方面能夠躍升到這個航太等級的這個附加價值是一個很大的機會我們會在這個計畫裡面去做推動 |
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那第37的話是有關於這個普惠科技的部分37點要再說好 |
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那你還沒有回答蔡議員 剛剛他講那些不管他在雅創的那些的相關的風洞啊等等還有我剛才有回應就是說我們現在雅創原來一起的部分現在空間比較滿了啦所以我們這個計畫這個115年計畫是會擴大到雅創二期的要請委員講嗎好委員先 蔡委員先 現在沒關係 因為我自己剛剛問的時間 |
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所以我再問細一點因為我們這個亞創基本上它是把過去的學校的用地然後現在轉化成亞創所以它基本上硬體建築物都已經有了 |
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他現在是重點是在裡面的軟體那這軟體也當然就是說未來整個無人機他需要的測試他以及他的一些電證的一些設備這個很重要然後第二個就是說他需要有 |
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更高規格的風凍測試場域這樣的話對於整個無人機它未來要投入實戰它是它才有辦法所以這兩項是需要經濟部這邊來規劃然後第二是剛剛經部有講到說目前就中大型的無人機你們是說交通部在盤整地點那這個盤整地點我覺得經濟部還是要介入你們的一些意見因為無人機的產業還是經濟部在做主導 |
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那你要想像說重大型的無人機如果是在水上機場的話第一它是就近整個無人機的產業鏈所以它當然說它有一個地點上的一個優勢那第二是說如果你們無人機要往就是說類似無人機無人船的話 |
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他要比較往空曠的場域的話那可能就是在布袋的布袋山崗然後往外海那邊的發展那這兩件事情我也希望經濟部這邊不要都是用交通部那邊在盤整土地你們應該是要先提出你們的需求那就這樣的需求才有辦法來跟國防部這邊溝通那我想這件事情不能就全部丟給交通部好謝謝好那我要不要回應一下 |
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郭委員 |
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剛剛邱署長提到36案這個軍民用航太能量提升這個應該是跨部會的計畫而且延續性如果沒計算應該4年這個包括國科會我們透過跟這個龐巴力的合作來帶動整個航太產業鏈不管在技術不管是在能量的提升對這個以中以中部南部為主的航太產業 |
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非常重要 我也之前三年前在金屬中心提案要成立航太處那金屬中心也成立航太處航太處它扮演一個這個整個資源整合那我們在預算的預註 以國科為大力支持所以這應該是第二年對吧 邱組長 |
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這是第一年後續還有連續性的大概如果沒記錯應該還有兩三年計劃那希望說連續兩三年如果都把這個經費確實跟這個航賴產業鏈結合用這個龐大體的技術能量然後提升整個航賴產業我覺得這部分 |
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對南部中部的航運產業非常的關鍵所以我也期待這部分能夠委員會能夠大力支持 以上 |
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好 來 署長請好 那個剛剛蔡委員提到這個雅創的部分 事實上我們雅創一起現在空間也比較已經不足了啦 比較不足了所以我們其實在今年的預算裡面是編列雅創二期的部分雅創二期的部分 除了它雖然是已經有一些一些場地啦 那場地是用那個大同 |
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技術學院的這個空間的這個校舍來做改建那我們在工建這邊有編列了一些預算去做一些裝潢跟改建的工作那我們在這個計畫裡面的話就是去導入一些設備可以去協助他去做一些測試的測試的 |
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還有您剛提到風洞當然我們在一起就已經有風洞了我們再看看是不是還有什麼不足的地方我們也可以在二期這邊來做一個強化那特別是其實我們也會把那個綠色輪機的認證也是會放在亞創當然現在 |
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因為時間的關係 因為房市還沒有整修好那我們現在已經取得了國際認證了我們先暫時放在這個公園院等到雅創二期如果建設好了以後我們就會移到雅創去強化整個驗證測試的這個能量這個大概是還有您剛剛期許的就是說希望能夠跟交通部一起合作就產業的需求面就測試場域的部分大家一起來共同推動 這個我們承諾 |
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蔡委員我們會來做講推動那邱委員剛剛提到的這個龐巴底這個合作這個案子的話我們會遵照委員的這個期許跨部會合作來爭取到這個訂單這個對國內的這個效益會很大謝謝委員的支持 |
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好 我總結 因為各位的意見漏尾我跟你們溝通的意思是說像33案這裡頭的話因為技術師也有三基內軟等等的研發所以我是覺得說在這個地方來講的話我們現在這個地方應該是補助廠商嘛產業的 對 |
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對但是法人就是這兩個單位到底會怎麼來合作你不要說他做他的然後你們做就是那個銜接的機制 |
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我們本來跟這個紀錄師本來就有這個分工他是比較偏向是前瞻的這個技術的這個開發的部分那我們的話是產業的補助跟這個產品的落地的部分本來就有一條線來做定位然後他是比較focus在法人的這個部分所以有關三金二卵的這個部分的話事實上我們都有做過分工然後他如果是他那邊有開發的這些項目的話我們這邊的話就是做後續的一些產業的推動的部分 |
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對 因為我要看到這個不要斷掉啦就是我們有時候100%技術司法人研發的一定是100%會被國內廠商產用但是你起碼這中間的銜接的比例嘛你可能要把這個highlight出來但 |
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也不要騙我了啦我們做那麼久了對不對完全兩個就是脫鉤的或者是硬湊的我現在講真正的真正廠商的需求有什麼那他現階段的能量含量不足的對不對那這樣子在技術室這邊協助做這樣子的法人的開發然後再過來的時候他再去做後續的比如說系統整合啊或者是他在做他commercial市場量產的部分的規劃 |
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就是你在做這個補助案的時候應該要把這種線規劃得比較清楚不然這個還是會是以前的老問題所以這個是我那時候動議的很主要的一個原因那另外雅創中心剛剛這樣子的一個說明我大概清楚就是也包含蔡議員的說明所以34我改組決議 |
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然後35的話呢我扛剩的是說這個國防的這個就是35的話是說因為你國防部會提出軍規這些但是呢他的軍規提出來你也不可能做全部嘛那我看你的報告或是跟我們溝通的時候你大概還是偏向無人機還是戰機的這些相關的通訊嗎是不是 |
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不一定我舉個例子啦114年的話我們也通過了這些比較因為他們有時候會運用到一些比較高能量密度的一些電磁模組的開發這也不一定是用在五輪機上面所以我們也有協助他們去開發這個項目另外的話我們也有開發這個一些所以他比較沒有說一定是什麼你就depend on他的需求就對了ok好那 |
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我的第二個很關鍵的問題就是當他委託開出這樣的規格我們產發署有去找廠商補助完那後續這裡頭國防部接著他就說他認可你們做出來廠商這樣做出來的東西之後他後續採購的比例金額這有多少因為我還是看不到 |
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聽得懂我的意思嗎比例當然我現在沒有辦法跟這個委員詳細講真正的數字啦但是因為現在國防部他們也蠻重視說能夠盡量有一些採購案國內的廠商能夠做到的話他們也都能夠國內自主採購啦這個對他們將來的營運或維護來講也比較有幫助所以我們現在感覺上國防部也是蠻跟經濟部這邊合作的很密切盡量能夠輔導廠商他們能夠培養他們這個能量了以後 |
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他們大部分他們都能夠採購當然一定要經過一定軍事的認驗證如果沒有通過軍事認驗證就沒辦法所以我這邊採取凍結因為我一直看不到這樣子因為這個計畫應該不是第一年吧對啊 |
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過去就有很久了所以我希望你們給我這樣子的一個報告就是經過我們他開出規格需求然後我們產發署委託廠去做那到後續有多少品項列入了國防部的這些後續的年度的採購的品項跟金額那是不是有一個這樣子的一個統計 |
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因為這樣子可以看出這個計畫的成效啊不然我做出來國防部都不碰不買那我們是錢丟到水裡面我們有要求百分之百嘛對不對那我們起碼要求個比如說是50 60 70%對不對然後金額是夠的我覺得這個要去做為你的KPI好 |
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我知道 因為出口我不敢想像啦我們先搞定自己的內需啦我們先搞定自己的需求搞定自己 不然國軍沒武器啦 對不對要自治的話 我就希望是這一個東西要能夠給我這樣的報告然後 |
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有關於這個軍民用航太能量提升計畫這個剛剛邱志偉委員的詢問跟這個大概都很清楚你的說明也是清楚那我的意思是說當你在做這個地方因為他是到爭取這個大型的訂單然後預計117年啟動量產我做一個比較瘋狂的角度就是萬一萬一他沒有接到單子 |
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或是國際訂單的單子沒接到因為這變數很多,一到117嘛它不是很確定的對不對也不是MOU已經訂的就是說萬一沒有LOST掉那產發署跟廠商這邊會有什麼因應的措施這當初我提這個問題的 |
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生意的東西生意的東西就是要靠我們自己要努力去爭取的我個人是非常有信心只要委員支持我們這個預算我們就努力的帶著廠商然後去全力支持我非常有信心一定可以達成這個目標非常有信心 |
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主席這個案子我也知之勝想這個居民合一就是國防部跟經濟部加上我們這個民間的航太業者民間航太業者也不可能說當作一場遊戲一定是深入的評估 |
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謹慎的去執行他不可能從風險角度如果風險高的話他不可能投入這個計畫一定是有相關的把握如果政府的預算在支持的話我就取得這個訂單我個人這樣參與這幾年我覺得非常樂觀從這個樂觀的角度我們應該給予支持好來陳昌明委員還是謝委員 |
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今天關於我們產業發展非常重要你們的經費也特別的多只要在發展新興高科技的產業這一方面那發展軍工產業我想現在世界尤其伊朗跟以色列美國的對打蘇聯跟俄克蘭這樣的對打發展無人機的產業非常非常的重要 |
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那這裡面我們台灣的無人機國家隊主要在供應一個輝煌的供應鏈但是這裡面在台灣是一個轉型尤其中小企業的加工企業但是你做軍用的東西一定有軍用商規還有軍規的認證我希望我們的產業發展時我們有一些中小企業 |
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他們的技術非常好你們要去找提供給台積電的或是整個IC測試檢視的那些富士的加工廠再基層一點的地方 |
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那你要做這個文件一定要有認證的問題,我跟部長跟署長建議一下,去找那些去把它改成,不然他們現在行列不是很好,憑良心講,不確定也是我們產業,傳統產業生意不怎麼好,省電下來。 |
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我覺得這個時候我們經濟部帶了一個非常重要的地位你的轉型一定要照顧到中小企業那些隱形企業那些加工技術非常好的把他能到 |
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金工產業裡面最重要這些人要去找你們的時候都找不到要到底找誰我的東西才能進到裡面我覺得這個對口單位非常重要那大公司他在接的時候他只會給下包 |
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如果把校包變成一個非常重要的這個很重要的一個關鍵啊這樣才能真正的在我們金工產業才能生工啊特別之餘本來要塞一點預算的我覺得這個重要我就改為此決議啦要努力要加油啦好不好 |
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我聽完邱委員跟署長這邊的回應36案我改組決議然後呢33案跟35案合計動1000然後就是交我剛剛講的那些的規劃報告好不好33跟35這兩個合併動1000 |
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好然後接下來的話呢37案的話因為部長他要去回診所以接下來是請那個次長何進昭何次長代理都可以啊眼睛回診再來這個話呢工業技術升級的輔導第37案請說明 |
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好 那第37案的話是昭緯這邊是提案的這個項目是普惠科技來驅動高齡市場商機的計畫那大家知道了現在台灣已經慢慢邁入高齡化的社會所以這計畫主要是能夠開發一些普惠的科技去幫助我們的這些高齡長者 |
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他們可以來做使用的這些相關的產品或者是技術那這個計畫其實是一個跨部會的計畫這是在SRB會議開會行政院然後在各部會分別推動那這個產發署是負責這些高齡科技相關的這些產業化 |
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推動了這個工作那事實上這些項目委員關心的是說一定要去強化到一些量產的使用者然後對這些開發出來的產品的回購率營收的成長或者是照顧人力的減少還有一些高齡長者的生活品質提升的一些實證的效益等等 |
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那當然這個計畫還沒有去增案但是我們未來會把這個召委提示的這幾個項目納入我們在審查這個案子裡面的一個重點那我就舉例好了比如說像我們這個去年推動的有279項都是廠商的這個輔導跟這個技術的開發那舉凡比如說幫助他 |
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這個行動的這些器具智慧的這個手杖還有這比較適合高齡的這些食品還有一些相關的這些場域的一些科技等等幫助他復健的啦 |
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幫助他去訓練他的大腦等等的這些科技有很多很多項目而且這些項目很多都是這個傳統產業中華企業他們開發出來這些東西那也會把我稍微關心的這幾項目納入這個評選的這個要項裡面進行各位支持我稍微大概知道因為我的問題就是說這個地方來講全部 |
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就是我剛講的就是繁星點點就一堆案子補助案很多那因為大家都會越來越老但我們也不能說不支持這個計畫但是舊產發署可能還是在商機的呈現上可能那個投報比例要稍微再看得出來一點好不好那謝委員 |
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主席不好意思喔因為這好像他們你對他們的那個意見都是雖然說個別計畫都是一個綜合性的意見就是他們的目標不太明確喔然後不夠明確我們是不是能做一個綜合性的總結啊就是這些案子做一下綜合性的對我會加款因為我只有大概這邊的 |
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好那37案這個我大概理解了你改組決議但是就請你們做出一些再來的話後面從38一直到4938到43對不起 |
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第三十九案鄭振淺委員改組決議然後四十二案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議四十三案鍾嘉斌改組決議那我的四十案簡單的說明不用說明啦我大概也跟你們溝通過就是 |
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因為這裡頭大部分的案子 你們這失憶三千五百多案是不是大部分都是到那個叫什麼社技學那個法人社研院所以他這邊的失憶多失憶全部都在社研院去雖然是社研院是一個執行的單位但是我們很多還是有下到 |
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嚇到很多廠商的幫助廠商去透過設計來提升他們的產品的附加價值這個做廠商輔導的資源為大眾社員院只是一個職業單位啊我說那個錢都是到社員院去然後再下放出去對對對 從社員院裡面再去做那我的意思是說社員院是什麼時候成立啊 |
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社員院應該有十幾年的吧但是他以前是從什麼冒險的那個因為我們都深受其害要去避免這件事情我只會深受其害是指當這個社員院因為我們已經有給他經費了那他應該要能夠儘量的去自主營運 |
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而不是 而不是每次都強迫這些其他法人還要再給他案子然後就是 你懂我意思吧就是好像都要救濟這樣子這是我以前的經驗啦我不曉得現在有沒有好一點啊把我說深受其害指的是這個意思啊你說法人深受其害啊當然啊你都不知道齁你都不知道去好好研究一下你看每個人都在笑笑得那麼開心 |
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所以我的意思是說這個地方我也是改組決議就是我不希望看到這種事情的發生就是他應該那麼久了應該有民修的比例他要去能夠拉高第二個盡量減少聶永珍事件不要又再出來都是從他這邊開始好不好這個大概以後注意一下好所以我們第二幕 |
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應該是第一幕我們第一幕的話 第一案是第13案 併動4100萬元兩週內提書面報告後 使得動之那接下來的話呢 我們進行的是第三幕 工業管理的部分那全部44 44 46 47 48 49全部都改成主決議 |
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預算照列那接下來的話我們進到主決議部分第五十案主決議 |
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文字有修正 已經跟提案委員謝委員這邊已經同意簽字 |
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謝委員可以齁好修正通過第60案文字修正已經跟提案委員中嘉賓委員這邊已經有同意中委員OK好修正通過第61案文字修正已經跟中委員這邊溝通過同意簽字好修正通過楊全英委員還沒來回到第一案那就必算照列囉還是還是聰明委員有意見 |
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雖然我的第41案改為主決議但是經濟部在推動深度結論的出發點很好第6頁第6頁嘛44到61嘛 |
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第一項就是預算照列再來的話呢標檢局 |
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標準局的話我們進62案規費的收入賴樂穎委員不在那就預算照列再來說出部分第4項的第一幕63到77案那其中第63案邱委員改組決議64案賴樂穎委員改組決議60 |
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71案邱志偉改組決議76案的話是改凍結100萬第77案修正改凍結100萬好那請這一個就通案說明好了好不好請這一個標檢局 |
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那標準局主要的業務大概就是兩個大部分我們有一些一般商品的一個檢驗的話這是屬於行政管理的部分這個部分我們大部分是會比如說商品檢驗或者是度量衡檢定那我們有一些代施委外的一個經費那這個是屬於標準檢驗跟度證管理的部分那第二個大部分是建立度量衡跟標準檢測驗證那這個部分是我們配合比如說我們國家政策近鄰的 |
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政策還有產業科技發展的一些重點那我們會協助做訂定國家標準或者是檢測的規範甚至相關的一個檢定的規範還有一個檢測能量的建置所以我們目的事實上就是希望我們產業在國內發展的時候能夠完成這樣的在地檢測節省大家去國外的一個時間跟成本那這是我們兩大主軸的計畫也是這兩幕的一個主要精神 以上報告 |
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邱委員謝謝主席那個陳局長您是第一次來省預算嗎 |
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沒有 兩年多我說您局長今年是第一次您當局長來省預算嗎沒有 第三年了你當局長那麼久是兩年兩年嗎沒有 兩年多一點但是省了三次預算這個對於預算我當然聽你這樣說明我覺得七十一案我改成主決議我們不予凍結改成主決議謝謝委員七十一本還在主決議有 沒有嗎 |
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已經改了嗎好那其他委員有沒有沒有的話我的我當時在看這些東西的時候的話就是大致上66案的話還有這個67那 |
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一直到那我就整個統籌來講第一個我們現在這些的我覺得像電動車這些充蓄能的電池的這個檢測標準等等還有無人機的這些的檢測規劃那其中在無人機的部分 |
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就是在這個做這些檢測除了符合這些國際的規範標準之外我也希望你們可以建立按照這個公共工程委員會嘛它不是有這些的非紅供應鏈的這些等級的標準嘛所以你們在這個判定上我覺得在你這個無人機的檢測辦理項目也許那個非紅供應鏈因為它有分A B C D這些那我希望這些你們的能量也把它建立起來 |
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好不好因為將來我們希望這些無人機的採購是上共同供應契約然後應該要先通過你們邀請這些非紅的檢測當然你自己做或是委託你的這個法人相關單位去處理都可以但是這個業務應該是希望在你底下這個大概我是對無人機的期待那另外有些東西的話我覺得比較瞎一點的是那個就是你那個風探啊然後 |
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就是這些東西我實在是看不太懂就是做這個東西對台灣的一個幫助會是什麼 |
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這個可以再幫我詳細幫我們解釋一下我原指的是應該是我的這一個看一下有一個叫做綠電交易拓展其實巨量對啊其實就是我的差不多相關的72 75這些 |
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72 這一支計畫是無碳電力憑證的一個計畫那這個是今年新興的計畫因為是我們配合整個淨零政策或者是減碳的這個計畫上位的計畫要求我們針對CCS的它怎麼樣去計算無碳電力的這個做研究這個還僅止於研究階段因為國際上並沒有很普遍的一個標準 |
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所以我們今年開發這樣子的一個計畫就是準備開始針對這個議題去做國際上的一個接軌的一個瞭解現在是研究而已對 僅僅研究可是我是覺得我是看不太懂因為我第一次聽到而且他很狹隘就是只有英國美國其他國家也沒有所以是被國科會交辦的嗎配合政策 |
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國科會?對嘛 差不多啦 就國科會啦 你還要說那麼多全國科技集會 你說的都聽不懂我還要說單位 你要說那個會議那個國科會舉辦的嘛 對啊就研究這個72我改組決定 因為我覺得它很像的地方就是全世界就只有那個標準 還不是世界統一72 72改組決議謝謝 謝謝趙偉然後那個 |
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75的話 你那個巨量綠電憑證那個也是簡單說就好我也是看不太懂你的巨量因為我們這次計畫是整個綠電那個憑證交易平臺那這個平臺隨著這樣子大家對企業對綠電的需求事實上這兩年暴增很多的量比如說今年已經超過100億度了那這個部分因為整個我們系統上要容納這麼大大的一個增長可能性 |
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所以我們今年特別針對這個系統要做更新那也委員 趙委特別了解有提問到說有關那個資安的問題要處理我們今年也會特別把這個議題當作我們的重點我們把這個系統做大 然後做好這樣子好不好 因為其他在場委員大概大部分都改組決議那當然有76 77是動的 |
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我大概這樣子就你們第四項第一幕的話我們從第63到第77我們總共動你這一幕動你500也是交500萬然後交報告之後使得動之可以嗎好謝謝召委好那第三幕的部分第三幕的話其實 |
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8案的話 讓熱龍園改組決議然後81案我跟你們溝通過 因為你們都是替代就是要採購設備的更換那我81案改組決議好 那宗教兵委員要改組決議嗎 還是不處理 |
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改組決議好了好不好八十案改組決議蔡議員我看也都改組決議好了好不好好所以第三幕的話就是預算照列7879、881全部改成組決議好謝謝召委謝謝委員好那接下來我們進行組決議的部分八十二案你要講一下 |
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83 遵照辦理84 遵照辦理85 遵照辦理86 遵照辦理87 遵照辦理88 遵照辦理好謝謝這個標準局接下來我們是制裁局的部分 |
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8034.662 |
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我們製裁局審完休息一下可以嗎好 休息個休息個五分鐘好不好好 裁員好 委員好好 那製裁局稅率的部分89案行政規範收入增列1億賴樂恆委員不在那就是照列了報告委員 報告委員這個案子我們有跟委員辦不用了 不用解釋了 我已經照列了你還要幹嘛 我幫你再加2億嗎 |
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接下來的話我們第一幕智慧財產權科技發展我們處理90到第98 |
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那第九十 岸賴元委員改組決議九十二 岸蕭一鳳委員改組決議九十八 岸蕭一鳳委員改組決議那這邊在場有提案的是 九十三這位主席 我九十三跟九十六 我也改組決議好 九十三改組決議 九十六改組決議 |
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好 那97案請你說明一下 |
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這個案子最主要是在我們整個推動的時候我們有這個計畫裡面有幾個有一個是智慧客戶有一個是那個智慧秘書還有智慧住所我們基本上在整個專利還有商標的過程當中可能很多案子申請人會有些詢問的點那這部分我們會漸漸導入一個所謂智慧客戶目前我們是有所謂的call center那另外有一部分我們會在 |
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有一個所謂的預審制度因為我們會開發相關的所謂的檢索一個系統還有一個以商標來講在商標申請之前有個商品名稱的一個推薦因為一般而言申請人在申請商標的時候那個商品的推薦到底符合我們商標法上內部一個收案的一個標準的時候有些時候可能某種程度因為他的用字潛質 |
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那这部分以前的话我们可能他申请进来我们再发一个审查意见通知这对申请人来讲可能耗掉很多的一个时间所以我们会把这个系统完整以后我们内部做完POC内部审查官用完之后我们会把这个系统放在网站上也就是申请人商标这部分的申请有一个preview的一个概念那这部分我们会省掉不管是申请人的一个时间也就是说我们的系统经过内部使用POC验证 |
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可以使用的時候我們也會服務來民眾因為實際上在台灣很多中小企業目前來講也都有專利跟商標這樣的一個意識所以我們系統在整個運作的部分我們會做這樣一個處理 報告委員因為我跟你們我當時提這個案子是因為我是資訊背景我覺得照你這樣的需求規格要花這麼多錢 |
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我是覺得怪怪的就是以這樣的需求規格似乎不應該需要這麼多錢去達成 |
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8216.786 |
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8239.572 |
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委員這一塊我想您先前提到可能在建制的費用部分那後端因為我們還要在有些相關資訊處理費用推力運算的部分所以還有有些相關資料模型的調教還有資料庫的一個導入所以每年我們維護費用會花一點錢可是每年維護費你不會每年維護費編啊不會在今年編完你五年的維護費啊 |
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那我們每年來講以這個案子來講4700多萬那我們在設備費1700多萬這個是今年的嘛我說你會不會是每一年每一年編啊不會是全部後面五年都編在這裡啊我覺得有點多啊是那我們就編15這是我們15年這部分的預算是好這樣好了BG能增加還是減少 |
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比起去年度增進還是減少因為這個是一個新興的一個計畫新興計畫它是開發系統的計畫現在開始放在內部嗎因為它就是只有他們內部我們內部用完之後我們內部用完它要再給外界用因為它那個是封閉型的因為主席的提案是一個凍結我是覺得有著動一點那你們這個第一年那你們有這個計畫要去執行但是明年度我們就加強檢視如果績效不好的話我們可能會考慮給 |
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所以今天這筆是不是因為是第一年的計畫是不是委員會能夠速度凍結啊讓他們在此一面能夠更謹慎更加強對啊因為我就是凍你300好了好不好那你就是要把那個因為我還是覺得那個評估是有問題的啦好不好 |
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好 動300好 謝委員那我們就好 所以這目前這整個話應該就是第一幕這邊就動300然後交報告之後就動制再來第三幕開始推動這個保護智慧財產權第99案那會有人改主決議再來主決議的部分我們進行第一百案是 不用報告 第一百案 |
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是那巴委員這一案我們是修正文字我們也跟那個委員溝通過是有修正嗎有對這一部分有修正文字這邊沒有呢是委員沒有同意啊我們這一部分林議警委員他有簽名那因為在這邊是邱議員邱委員是說在現場就在那林議警委員他有同意我們也拜會過他是也有文字上修正好那就一百萬就是修正通過是一百零一案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
我們現在休息五分鐘 謝謝 |
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8402.98 |
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8403.201 |
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好 谢谢 |
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8430.061 |
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8436.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
這裏有一個小小的小巨星, 它們是在地上的, 它們是在地上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
8465.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8476.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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8486.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8487.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
這裏面有一個大廈,這裏面有一個大廈, |
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8513.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
這張圖片是在2012年, 當時是在2012年, 當時在2012年, 當時在2012年, |
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8541.244 |
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谢谢观看 |
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8565.163 |
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8568.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
希望我讓他們的體力都能消耗一大半的時間 |
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8889.943 |
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8891.867 |
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好我們現在繼續開會我們審查經濟部商發署 |
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8897.776 |
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那說出部分第七項第一幕促進商業科技發展我們105案到112案其中105案鄭振淺委員改組決議108案謝依鳳委員改組決議110案鍾嘉斌委員改組決議其他委員都不在 |
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我對商發所那麼好 |
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因為我們的預算也不多啦 跟委員說明一下 因為我們都我給你一分鐘說明一下我們那個主要的話商業署因為在委員幾個關切的委員他們比較關切是說我們在商業科技發展這邊有增添一些預算那也跟委員報告 因為我們有增加一些新的工作主要是包括服務業的這個AI的生態系建構然後像還有像物流資材怎麼樣去做一些循環檢探 |
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那這些都是必要的一些支出啦那委員也比較關切說增列預算要有明確的績效指標那在國際化發展部分要實體化這些輔導那這些我們大家都會遵照委員意見辦理那是不是也請那個召委這邊就是說是不是在這幾個案子上面可以多多給我們支持我們都支持啊好 謝謝委員沒有 我說不是支持 全力支持不是支持而已 全力支持謝謝委員 |
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相發署真的是就是他們的那個範圍非常廣又繁瑣那當然希望協助我們地方 |
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9025.056 |
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不管是在商圈还有市场这个部分那请那个署长特别协助好不好因为就是说现在都已经市场还有商圈都已经有一点时期了那再加上在彰化你也知道就是说发展不像都会区那所以更需要商业商发署这边 |
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9025.516 |
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9050.636 |
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再協助好不好 又團隊啊 整體的 然後協助我們地方的這些不管是鄉鎮公所 然後縣府 然後來處理這些相關的問題好不好好 這個會的 謝謝委員好 三方數就是以後我的所知快一點我只有這個要求昨天在專案報告 早上才密件給我 |
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9072.739 |
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不好意思委員 因為我們真的很重視這件事情所以昨天一大早就等在辦公室門口給您對 我說再提早一點 怕失禮我要開火了 你們次長坐在這裡都會愛笑所以第一幕的話預算照列謝謝委員 |
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9073.814 |
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9091.431 |
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好 第三幕的話 我們處理第113案到118案那113 114 115 116 117 118這個包含邱志偉委員 陳昭明委員 鍾嘉斌委員等全部都改成是組決議 |
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9094.043 |
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9107.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
這個署長也跟我說明過啦 我覺得署長說明很清楚然後就是我也把阿敢主決議對第三目部分我們全力支持好 謝謝文勇那第三目的話我們就預算照列 |
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9109.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
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好 我們接下來進行主決議的部分119案 遵照辦理 加案通過120案 遵照辦理 加案通過121案 遵照辦理 加案通過好 謝謝商發署 謝謝昭緯 謝謝委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
接下來我們進行中期數的部分說出部分第八項第一幕第一幕的話我們處理122案到140案 |
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9146.533 |
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那其中呢122案謝一鳳委員改組決議123案賴銳榮改組決議124案賴銳榮改組決議125案陳昌明委員改組決議127案邱志偉委員改組決議 |
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9180.034 |
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136案陳超明委員改組決議138案陳超明委員改組決議139案邱志偉委員改組決議好在場的委員先處理我的部分好了請針對我的案件從第129、130、131、132、133 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9189.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
137 綜合說明 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員 那有關於委員的提案首先第一個是在130案跟133案是有關於智慧雨林以及這個數位的AI的部分朋友關切的問題包括這個數位雨林的計畫的南北資源的分配然後要避免這個跨部會的重複補助確保AI落地的成效以及這個小微企業數位轉型大概還有七成不能跨越AI應用的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9236.858 |
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食物門檻那以及這個相關的一些績效指標要更加具體落實那這個部分的話第一個是有關於智慧與靈的部分我們是跨部會的合作所以部會之間是共同合作的關係 |
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包括國科會、速發部、教育部跟本部那透過每月每季的滾動檢討來協助南部的中小企業導入AI採用的方法是結合在地的就是大企業的場域那以及跟教育部這邊有關於課專院校跟支付業者速發部這裡協調來合作那方式是南部先示範所以方法都是利用可以快速導入的AI模組 |
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9264.156 |
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9281.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
最後是希望可以進行全台的擴散那現在的目標現在是先鎖定在引發的資源比較稀缺的傳統跟這個民生服務產業在114年度在商發署這裡先導入了智慧餐飲例如說阿霞飯店 |
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9299.876 |
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用AI的部分來控制這個存貨那速發部這邊在健康照護已經導入130幾個南部地區的長照機構跟這個醫療體系平均的成效大概我們可以發現在服務效率都提升了20%增加了大概10%的營業額左右 |
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那在數位AI的部分我們採用的方法包括例如說是AI的人陪這裡的話是有SME的AI平台那AI的實作專班以及透過這個我們中小企業網路大學校跟N世代來協助這個二代接班那以及這個中小企業的人才的培育我們可以發現其實在輔導後我們都有做相關的追蹤 |
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最終可以發現在數位能力的評量指標有高達九成以上其實都有持續在使用這個數位工具那使用之後其實縮短了大概25%的作業時間所以在AI跟數位的部分我們希望還是可以繼續得到委員的支持那我們會持續的投入協助中小微去做相關的轉型那委員關心的是新創輔導資源 |
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包括129案131案跟132案這三案其實它相關的新創輔導的功能是不同的那首先在129案它是我們的新創圓夢網也就是有一個單一入口的平台那做新創創業資源的一些諮詢跟這個蒐集跟整備那在131案是新創的加速成長這個是完全就是 |
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否新创由他个别新创的培育跟募资最后协助他规模化并且以这个借鉴国际资源为主在132案这个部分是让新创跟大企业去做共创所以是大企业来提供场域共创然后有大大小的方式由新创来解决大企业的相关的一些需求跟困难 |
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這三個專案裡面其實我們都有建置專管系統有嚴格的名單控管所以委員可以放心絕對沒有就是重複認列績效的相關情況那我們其實長期都從創業育成包括加速器 |
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9442.936 |
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國際鏈結跟投農資媒合那利用林口雅灣的新創園去做相關的國際合作投增資的指標以外其實還有相關的一些指標例如說在新創白皮書我們都會回饋追蹤新創的募資成果跟這個創業成功率創業夢往往目前大概每七個創業者大概就有一個有來使用這個相關的諮詢輔導資源那滿意度的話也高達97% |
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網路大學校的話目前的話裡面其實現在完訓率清創貸款就是上課都是透過網大這邊在做學習所以新創的相關的輔導資源也希望可以獲得委員的支持在委員有關新SBIR的執行成效是第137案 |
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137案股員有關心說SBIR好像這幾年的這個補助件數下滑大概申請意願跟相關的績效問題這部分中企署說明首先這個在113跟140 |
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114年因為可能預算的關係所以可能件數有稍微下滑可是我們可以發現114年因為推動了兩項措施第一個是在Face 1就是早期的這個概念的部分我們用簡報來取代計劃書審查的時間的話也從90天縮短到45天以內那才隨到隨審 |
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可以發現114年申請的案量已經大幅的回升那甚至包括這個補助件數也已經超越之前的兩個年度115年更可以看到同期間1到5月現在核定的件數 |
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也比去年同期增加了大概44%左右那在結案後的追蹤其實持續都有在進行目前的話從110年開始的相關的SBIR的案件商品化的比例已經達到36.8 |
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9559.039 |
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那你投入一塊錢大概可以創造8塊多的營收那6塊多的投資目前的話專利大概累積了1200多件產出的產值大概有60幾億左右其實持續都一直有在精進SBIR相關的一些機制因為這個已經運作很多年在審查甚至包括成果追蹤跟輔導 |
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都有做相關的努力甚至包括沒有辦法申請成功的案件現在都有就是專案然後專人去做相關的輔導所以這個部分也希望可以獲得委員的支持委員因為有關心145案是地方創生那在地方創生的部分這個部分的話因為國發會是統籌分工所以這個工作絕對不會跟農業部跟勞動部去做重複 |
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140 OK好委員我們先講到140案這樣好我137案主要是SBIR嘛對不對是好這個我改組決議謝謝委員 |
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然後其他的我的要求是這樣子像第129案因為這個新創原本已經做很久了所以我是希望說你在過去這麼久的時間裡頭應該有很多的 |
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可能是不足或者是因為現在新型態的這些的技術什麼東西進來所以你可能要有一些創新的或者是一些比較新的一個做法然後去改善過去的一個缺失 |
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那因為我看不到你們這些項目經費的所佔的比例啦所以等一下將來你們報告出來的時候就是在129案這裡頭的話大概你有哪些主要的工作項目那這些工作項目佔用的經費比例各是多少那以目前129案你們是委託誰執行呢是新創總會新創總會喔原本我也是新創總會在執行 |
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那這個就是給我這樣的一個報告那130案的話是輔導小微型企業的數位你們這個小微的我們的定義是多少人以下跟委員報告微型企業的話是員工不到5人那小微的話我們通常是以30人以下的員工人數作為輔導的所以是用30人嘛那我們中小的話是用多少人 |
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中小有中小的定義是資本額1億然後或者是員工人數200人以下OK就原本的定義就沒有變是好那我是覺得說在中小為這邊的話到底你們是訓練還是輔佐他軟體購買這個 |
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跟委員報告其實在數位的這塊在小微的協助第一個我們是會希望借機就是現有的軟體那因為是希望是可以容易採用可以用合理成本採用的所以你是輔導他訓練的費用這個經費還是說你是給他是是從諮詢開始因為他們可能一開始連自己需要使用哪些所以是從諮詢然後到可能輔導使用 |
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那我說你會給這些小微經費嗎 還是沒有 我們是用 這邊外發是誰 這邊主要的主責PMO跟委員報告 小微因為這塊數位轉型需要協助的數量比較多 我們分三支計畫在進行可能包括中小企業總會這邊也有在做協助 然後還有軟體工會這裡都有相關協助 |
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OK好然後131案的話主要的話因為它是創新加速新創加速成長然後它跟132的話你們的區別應該是131還是以前的外部的加速器 |
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然後包含育成中心這些這樣是 然後協助個別新創然後這132是跟大企業去做共創所以利用企業的實證場域還有企業出題來用新創去做解方 |
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好因為132這裡頭的話呢我比較看不出來因為當時我們在做這個加速育成的時候這個是叫定向育成也就是說從大企業裡面去做那大企業裡面的話他是inside out還是outside in大部分應該是inside out我們現在是這樣因為都是企業出題新創解題所以是可能就是inside out的方式比較多對 |
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好我的建議是這樣子就是說在132這個定向育成的話就是你最後的KPI應該是所謂的說他現在育成輔導完了對不對然後他解題完那要嘛就是他的採購單的金額要嘛就是他的投資嘛對不對甚至把他spin in到原本的大企業就是你這個要分幾個這樣的報告來進行啊因為當時都是我帶進來的機制啊 |
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不管是inside outside in那時候我們在做的時候這全部都是我們那時候設計的所以是說你那個KPI的要求要把它分成這樣子我這樣才看得出來報告確實都有落實所以相關的KPI包括可能商機訂單這些都有確實要有第三方的佐證來做查核好然後呢133是說這個 |
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這個就是我覺得比較confusing就是當然我知道133也不是你們的問題啊這是國科會對不對它不當下那我的意思是說這些大南方的智慧雨林的話基本上它就是針對的那個地區它就是地區性嘛然後它的這一個也都是傳統產業就是說你怎麼避免去跟其他不管是產發或者是商發這邊的overlap就是重疊的部分 |
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跟委員報告其實在雨林這一岸我們是跟這個商發署共同合作然後跟速發部也有一起合作所以像商發署他這邊負責的是智慧餐飲那在速發部是健康照護那署內今年也持續會投入包括智慧製造等等的 |
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這些的話其實跟產發署目前會有區隔是因為我們是鎖定南部比較稀缺的傳產跟民生服務業那裡面要導入的是可以快速導入的AI模組原因是因為為了要擴散到所有的中小微去做使用 |
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好啦 因為我是很反對我不是說反對南部發展但是我很反對用這種計畫名字大南方啊什麼這些因為我就覺得就太有DH啊不然就大東方大台中啊大北方大西方那就覺得很奇怪那我以為保證喔在今年在擴散的部分其實它是擴散全台所以其實這邊是沒關係啦 不用解釋因為這也不是你的問題啊這是吳承宏的問題 |
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來 莊委員 謝謝昭偉這個我是覺得我們 |
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範圍或領域不用有先設的價值判斷其實本來城鄉的發展人口的分布產業的類型就有些差異化那我想經濟部主導全國的事務他當然要針對都會地區跟非都的地區都要考量到他們不同的產業特質就像我們所熟悉的便利超商可能在我們的小型物流流通業零售業這個都會地區佔很大的比例 |
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但是在非都會地區我們的小型零售業它的流通的部分它的型態可能需要導入的一些數位工具或是這邊所說的是不太一樣的所以我還是希望經濟部能夠秉持著就是人家說教育是世財世所那針對你們要輔導的對象能夠開發世界的工具來指導業者 |
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那我還是覺得呢這個案子呢希望能夠予以支持那我這邊附帶提一下你們提到的服務業的部分之前也不斷的跟你們提過對於小型的餐飲業導入節省人力的 |