| IVOD_ID |
17564 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17564 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026062640 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T14:00:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T16:08:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:07:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：一、「衛生福利部組織法第二條、第五條及第八條條文修正草案」二、「衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案」三、「衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案」四、「衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案」五、「國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案」六、「國家中醫研究院設置條例草案」） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:00:19 - 16:08:00 |
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我們現在開始來進行協商的一個會議那我們本日進行第二次協商就是衛福部衛生福利部的組織法跟衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署的組織法衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展組織法 |
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衛生福利部中央健保署組織法還有國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例及國家中醫研究院設置條例等法案一共六個主題那稍後我們 |
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按協商的通知排序來依序進行協商那另外委員范雲等18年拟據的衛生福利部組織法第二條文第二條條文的修正草案一併列入本次的協商的提案那協商進行前先來介紹到場的委員跟機關代表 |
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到場的委員 我有一個特別開示這個 像專業 像主持 像溫柔 婉約 成招之委員 啪啪來那些俄羅 俄羅很重的 就待會都要 要 要到場去喔來 阿這我 港鄉啦齁 今天精神多少齁 我很關心的 我們的 盧憲毅 盧委員 |
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1907.298 |
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1919.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
這看病的每天早上都要找他 我們的王正旭 王委員這先擺進去啦 還有我們魏帆 趙薇 臨月勤林委員那這個教授級的 王范雲范委員其他我們現在來對機關 機關我就不要念那麼多啦好不好 代表性就好啦衛生福利部 這最大部位 石崇良部長 |
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1935.751 |
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1945.953 |
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還有人事行政總處副人事長張秋元副人事長還有監察院施貞揚,這是職稱要怎麼說沒念對,監察院有來啦,祖密喔,抱歉抱歉,謝謝全序部專委,這個叫做張婉玲是不是,感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
1964.939 |
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1978.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
內政部張翠詩還有財政部國庫署副組長蔡清榮教育部吳志偉法務部參事什麼名謝志明經濟部專委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1990.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1990.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
那要輸 要去賺啦 賺會贏嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
1995.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2007.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
一個都簡單代表性 給你們介紹一個列席單位勞動部請參閱 不用再念了今天幫大家來做協商我看這樣比較重要到場的委員跟機關代表我們都介紹完畢了其餘應邀列席的官員名單請就列入公報記錄那我們現在來 |
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2024.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2026.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
主條來進行協商 協商的時候就請參閱協商條文的對照表跟審查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2039.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2063.067 |
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審查報告在這,是剛才一大堆的淨富二讀提案關稅文書及協商相關的一個資料都被寫在這,讓大家知道一下那現在我們就來逐案進行協商那協商的時候,剛才講過,一人一人都可以知道過與會的委員,如果有修正動議或機關有建議的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2064.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2068.971 |
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也請提出書面來印發給現場進行來討論那首先我們來進行主題一啦就病案協商的部分其實我也可以先跟大家做一個報告啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2082.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2090.284 |
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那委員會已經通過的就是說健保署、國家科技評估中心跟國家中醫藥院研究院這三項那保留黨團協商的部分六條衛福部、兒家署、長髮署那共識版這六條裡面其實有四個條文共識版我們就不令處理相關的修正動議就用共識版來通過那兩條沒有共識的部分有增添的部分兒家署跟長髮署第三條 |
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2112.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2112.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我們現在首先進行主題一 病案協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2129.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2144.978 |
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接著司法法制跟社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告並按審查行政院函請審議衛生福利部組織法第二條第五條第八條條文修正案啊 都中的都中的 還有 |
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2149.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2173.619 |
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淨富二讀的部分就委員廖偉祥等16人委員徐宇珍等17人委員沈發慧等18人委員范雲等18人委員李坤澤等16人分別這提案分別在115年3月13號第11屆第5會及第3次院會第4次院會第5次院會第7次院會跟第 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2174.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2193.103 |
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及第15次院會淨附二讀與相關提案併案協商以上共6案在今天我們來併案來做一個協商那審查會我們前面是在1月19日審查完略審查的結果第2條第5條第8條是保留送院會處理並決議需交黨團協商那我們本案在 |
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2201.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2214.198 |
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就今年115年4月9號進行第一次協商我們是針對第五條第八條那些有共識的為求效率我們就按照先照上次的協商共識條文通過如果各位協商代表對於協商共識條文你如果有意見你就留待保留條文處理完畢以後再來接續進行處理這樣大家有意見嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2230.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2235.135 |
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好 沒有意見的話那我們現在就上次協商保留的第二條來進行討論20個提案版本上次協商是台灣民眾黨黨團跟委員范雲等所提兩個一共兩個修正動議加上本次協商林蔚群委員所提的修正動議一案就是我們討論事項第一案協商資料第一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2258.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2261.174 |
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協商資料的紅色頁碼第一到第六請大家參閱一到六現在請各黨團的代表來表示意見來 范雲委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2284.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2309.952 |
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好我這個部分針對第二條表達意見那我想上次我們那個三黨共識已經有簽那個修正的動議那我這邊主要特別關切的就是跟婦女業務有關因為我們第一項第四款改為婦女權益保障婦女福利業務社會參與家庭暴力性侵害性騷擾防治及其他保護服務業務之政策規劃管理及監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2310.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2334.761 |
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那我特別要提的是其實衛福部有非常多跟婦女相關的業務那可是長期以來好像比較是處於邊陲的地帶根據社家屬的統計他的人力只有7個元額那業務的預算也非常的少只有占社家屬公務預算的0.12%那公益彩券回饋金中比例也只有6.81% |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2337.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2351.694 |
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那這次修法三讀後那我們了解預計兩個月內會擬定員額人力給人事總署員額確定後才會討論組別所以上一次我提醒大家特別是部長 |
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2352.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2373.858 |
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上次協商通過的兩個附帶決議第一個就是希望提升人力跟預算那修法通過一個月內希望衛福部可以找婦女團體溝通討論科別名稱各科別的具體職長劃分跟中長期的政策研究方向那第二點就是人力預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2374.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2393.368 |
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希望能高於原來的社家屬婦女組那也拜託部長要能夠幫忙爭取婦女業務的人力跟預算讓這一次感受到是一個升級好 以上好 謝謝范委員還有協商代表還有 來 程昭芝委員 |
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2395.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2422.852 |
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謝謝主席本黨最關心的就是衛福部組織法的第二條那我們的這個也是我們這一次這個修法的核心所在就是我們希望能夠照顧到原約聘人員及行政助理的權益保障不要在整個這個機關的整併跟調整當中造成他們不當的影響跟這個衝擊那我記得第一次協商的時候好像就有一些阻力但是也謝謝就是三黨的委員 |
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2424.133 |
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2450.069 |
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後來你約群委員的版本也就納入了那衛福部從善如流謝謝你們就是說基本上要其實署長部長您是最應該照顧您的部分因為那個很多都是在健保署改制的過程當中就是有這樣的身份出現我們就希望能夠照顧到這群人的這個他的權益那這次大家三檔都簽了同一個版本謝謝約群委員的版本所以我就表達一下我們的立場謝謝 |
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2452.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2469.391 |
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好謝謝陳大志委員再來還有協商代表還有意見嗎好來盧縣議委員好謝謝因為上次的第一輪的時候我們其實我們這邊已經大致上是沒有意見所以應該是今天可以很順利的通過我們原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2471.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2495.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
原住民健康法所呈現的那個就是希望有專責機構這樣的一個名稱所以我們把護理及健康照護士的名稱變更為原住民主健康及護理照護士這樣的一個規格希望雖然我們的願景是希望能夠到數的成績可是如果今天到4的成績我們也可以接受所以我們希望今天能夠順利的達成我們的協議謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2502.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2527.185 |
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好 謝謝盧憲英委員來 請吳立法委員好 謝謝主席同樣的 我也是關心這個組織法之後關於原住民照護的部分那上次排審就本來已經有做出附帶決議那我還是要再強調一下就是請檢討現行衛生福利部的初屋規程 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2527.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2548.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
然後並更名為護理及援助民族健康照護司且增加一科主責援助民族健康照護業務以實質增加人力及經費編制那上次有獲得衛福部長的一個同意所以我們今天在這個部分再去做一個確認謝謝好 林彥琪委員請 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2551.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2574.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
因為上次已經討論過 那修正動議是不是按照我們當初大家也簽了第二條就像剛剛趙執委員提的 我們都已經也涵蓋進去就是按照當初提案的修正動議提案然後大家也都簽三黨都同意 那就按照第二條就按照那一個對啦 是啦 大家老公是都有簽出來 我們就照這樣啦好 接下來我們是不是請機關代表來做回應好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2576.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2590.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
主席跟各位委員 如同剛剛林業勤委員所提 例有修正動議 也含納了很多委員關切的重點希望今天就按照這個修正動議 這邊頁數是紅色頁 第四頁開始 修正動議五來通過 謝謝 |
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2604.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2620.499 |
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好 如果沒有其他委員有特別意見的話那我們是不是就叫委員林月琴等提修正動議來通過好不好好這樣就叫林月琴委員提修正動議通過啦再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2652.854 |
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修正動議五沒有錯來我們就繼續處理本案上次協商所提的附帶決議因為本案進行第一次協商的時候針對范雲委員等所提的附帶決議有兩案那已經有協商共識就照修正後的文字通過那另外上次協商是盧憲一等盧憲一委員的版本所提的附帶決議一案那協商共識是照案通過但 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2654.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2661.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
盧委員本次協商提出文字修正提出文字修正那就是在討論事項第一案協商資料紅色的紅色頁碼第七那請問提案的委員有沒有補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2686.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
盧委員有補充說明就是名稱如果大家沒有意見的話就這樣通過好那是不是請機關這邊來衛生福利部家來您有其他意見跟他說明嗎同意好那沒有異議的話沒有異議的話我們就按照協商或文字修正通過謝謝主席 |
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2691.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2708.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
來接下來我們繼續處理上次協商保留的委員陳穎委員委員吳立華委員所提的附帶決議一案就是我們現在討論事項第一案協商夜碼這個紅色夜碼第八請問提案的委員有沒有補充說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2735.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
好 因為我可以第八跟第九一起嗎因為第九也是 第九頁也是一樣那這個地方就是想要做確認就是更名叫做護理及援助民族健康照護司然後要增加一顆主責援助民族的健康業務還有實質增加人力及經費編制 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2739.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2752.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
好 這樣請 請石部長來做說明支持可以喔 這樣沒有異議的話本案就照案通過就叫協商後的修正的文字通過 也沒有修正喔謝謝OK 好 謝謝那接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2759.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2782.554 |
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那個剛剛的是第九嘛 上次協商保留就是小弟我 莊瑞雄委員跟吳立華委員 咱們所提的附帶決議一案就是第九啦那我就沒有補充說明了 那吳立華委員也說明過了是不是請衛生福利部 執事部長這邊表達你的意見好不好同意 同意齁 那我們就本案就照案通過啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2812.783 |
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五戶在決議嗎?林倩琪委員的啊有啦,有名字,你那個是那個提案,我會有講誰的提案,可以啊,一樣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我們協商結果來做一個宣告 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2841.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第一案的協商結論時間是115年7月1日下午2點30分地點紅樓302的會議室 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2884.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
並案協商隨商阻離並案協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告並案審查行政院函請審議衛生福利部組織法第二條第五條第八條條文修正草案委員何新淳等19人擬拒衛生福利部組織法第二條條文修正草案委員林月琴20人委員盧憲一等17人委員羅廷偉 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2911.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
一共等16案還有今天委員廖偉祥等16人擬聚的衛生福利部組織法第二條及第五條的修正草案還有委員徐宇珍等17人也是擬聚的衛生福利部組織法第二條第五條第八條條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2924.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
委員沈發慧等18人擬具衛生福利部組織法第2條、第5條、第8條條文的修正草案委員范雲等18人擬具的衛生福利部組織法第2條修正草案委員李坤澤等16人擬具的衛生福利部組織法第5條他這間第8條的條文修正案而已 |
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那協商結論啦 就第二條 第五條 第八條 均照協商內容通過 降爐復建那新增附帶決議五項 也是降爐復建 其餘均照審查會審查通過 |
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那時間再來做一個補充宣告一下當然剛剛宣告的是今天7月1號還有包括115年我們4月9號現在第二案來 |
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我們現在接著進行我們的第二案的主題二的一個病案協商司法法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議這個委員林月琴等二十人那大家在班本隆重衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案 |
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共14案 委員徐宇珍等17人 委員沈發慧等17人委員蔡宇等16人 委員李坤澤等16人之提案分別在115分別經過第5 |
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第十一屆第五會期第四次院會還有第五次院會第十二次第十五次院會決定禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商以上一共五案在今天我們並案來做一個協商那審查會 |
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我們在1月19號審查完略 審查結果是除了第二條第三條跟附帶決議商案保留以外其餘都審查結果通過並決議須交由黨團協商那我們為了求這個效率我們能依循第一次協商模式我們就僅針對保留部分來進行討論 |
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那其餘有共識的部分我們就先照審查會審查結果通過如果各位協商代表對於審查會通過的條文有意見等一下保留條文處理完畢以後再接續進行處理請問各位有沒有意見 |
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好 沒有意見那我們接下來現在開始來進行本案保留條文的討論那審查會保留兩條啦兩條啦 說快要快 說慢要慢那需要協商兩條那我們先從第二條開始現在請各黨團來表示意見有沒有意見 |
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今天有提出兒家屬的修正動議第二條那這邊是希望主張把兒少的心理健康納入未來兒家屬的業務之一那原因是因為之前部長有對外說這個兒家屬就是照顧從出生甚至是從胚胎一直到18歲那我認為心理健康是現在兒少面臨的非常大的問題 |
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卫福部可能会觉得心理健康是新建司的职责可是我们从数据来看它是一个很迫切的课题卫福部的统计自杀已经成为6到12岁国小学生第六大死因2009年到2023年14岁以下儿少自杀通报的人次从208人次增加到3365人次 |
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15年來是成長約16倍那當然衛福部之前有提出一個年輕族群心理健康支持方案後來擴大了成為新狀世代心理健康支持方案所以它是讓15到45歲的民眾每年可以使用三次免費的心理諮商這個是重要的一步 |
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但從數據上我們看出來15歲以下的兒少沒有被完整的涵蓋而令人擔心的是有其他的數據也表示憂鬱症正在往中小學的族群快速的蔓延 |
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憂鬱症是近三年有一個兒童心智科的門診增加最快的診斷之一國小生被診斷出憂鬱焦慮的比例也持續上升在國小的身心症患者中佔一成憂鬱症高中佔比超過一半 |
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顯示15歲以下的兒少同樣也具有高度的心理支持的需求那他們跟成人表現的會不同他沒有辦法很清楚的說出他的感覺比如說我很焦慮或是我很憂鬱但是他會呈現出 |
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易怒退縮失眠拒學身體不適學習的表現下滑甚至自傷的行為他並沒有辦法很清楚的有認知這也讓兒少心理健康的辨識篩檢還有介入更加的複雜更加的困難 |
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那過去台灣對於兒少心理健康的防止都把重點放在嚴重的情緒障礙發展遲緩過動等等的對於憂鬱焦慮自傷自殺的意念等問題投入人顯不足所以前面講了很多最近的研究跟數據重點很清楚就是提醒我們 |
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兒少的心理健康問題不能只靠單獨一個司來承擔因為這個司要承擔的是全台灣所有的族群尤其兒童跟青少年處於人格發展家庭依附校園生活人際關係還有數位環境交織的階段我們必須要及早介入讓他們更貼近小朋友的生命歷程所以我認為兒少的心理健康業務應該明確納入兒家屬 |
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由兒家屬來負責整合家庭支持兒少保護校園的銜接心理健康自殺自傷防治還有危機的處理如果說未來只處理托育保護福利啊等等沒有把剛剛提到的納入核心業務他就很缺乏缺少完整的連貫性尤其是我們希望他在最前端受到心理困擾的時候制度就可以及早介入否則呢第一線的不管是醫師 |
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或者是社工往往只是在危機發生後才來承接這樣子家庭學校第一線工作者壓力就會更加的沉重所以以上希望各黨員可以支持我的修正動議將兒少的健康納入兒家屬的重要業務謝謝主席好謝謝陳經緯接下來請王玉銘王委員 |
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好 謝謝有關於這個兒少家庭署的這個相關的內容第一個我贊成剛剛陳金恩委員最新提出來的修正動議 |
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把這個心理健康的部分就是放進來那另外一個我要特別強調上次其實有討論過後來衛福部這個版本把這個整個生育通通都拿掉了在我的版本裡面有家庭生育與托育服務資源還有孕產婦照護政策的規劃那這個部分在最新的這個 |
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對瀑布的版本裡面是都把它拿掉那我覺得如果今天這個兒燒家庭署的所有的業務內容跟原來只是把原來在做的事情放進來這是一點意義都沒有的那所以包括剛剛講的如果心理健康是現在對兒燒很重要的應該要放進來那我們現在整體的 |
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生育率那麼低我們現在在規劃很多的政策的時候有關於生育的部分我認為還是應該要放進來就是在這邊要有一個很重要的宣示所以這一條我覺得就是後來協商的現在仔細看我覺得把那個生育拿掉還是不妥的我希望可以把生育還有孕產婦的照護政策 |
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這部分我還是希望可以放進來以上 |
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我覺得第一個當然就誠如主席講的上次已經有一個公司版當然不是說不能再提新的我覺得大家也要思考一個問題我不是完全反對剛剛陳經緯委員提到可是也要思考一個就是說我們的自殺事實上是15到24歲事實上是第二高 |
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那如果自殺再這麼高 如果你切在18歲的話那接下來那個銜接又要放到另外一個師所以當時我本來也是覺得事實上應該放在我們的兒家屬可是如果這樣的斷裂反而事實上延續性反而會變成不足尤其我們自殺不是只有到24第二名還有是 |
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我們的25到44所以為什麼當初我覺得衛福部會提出所謂的心理諮商延拓到45歲那是有它原因在所以如果我們現在把它切到18歲以下屬於兒家屬18歲以上又去屬於新建師 |
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這連結度我有點擔心所以我覺得要去考慮的還有一個大概就是體力的問題因為其他的大概都寫的是比較大那經費委員當然他比較希望可能是比較細就寫的反正這一項就單獨寫的非常的細其他都是比較大項 |
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所以可能等一下大家討論要中整去考慮那個連接度的問題因為畢竟兒少的心理健康我們都很在意而且本來在第九款裡邊本來就有寫健康促進那那個健康促進本來就有涵蓋生理的心理的健康促進所以這我覺得等一下要請我們的 |
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衛福部也來做說明因為我的考量點比較不太一樣以上謝謝好張雅玲張委員 |
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好 那我想這邊是針對於剛剛有關於心理健康的部分我想大家都非常關注這個議題但是我也是認為說在第九已經第九項這邊其實都已經有寫到健康促進因為其實坦白說耳上的健康問題並不是只有心理健康視力健康也是 過胖其實這都是那如果全部都要單列出來的話其實會零零總總非常容易可能掛一漏萬所以是不是就是把它重整在我們現在的這是我的想法不過可能也可以聽聽看 |
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這個衛福部的想法是不是可以把它重整在第九項裡面這樣才能夠對於我們兒少的身心健康來說會有一個更完整更全面的因為有些因素其實互為因果啦所以我覺得這個的可能我的想法是這樣 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張惠寧委員 我要聽葉律師部長看機關的看法怎麼樣好 趙偉還有各位委員在這個健康裡面當然包含了心理健康啦所以在兒童的健康促進也好或者是這個健康的維護或疾病照護一定都會包含在裡面但是不太可能有一個把所有的事情全部都包了 |
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心理健康的促進也是要跨單位那麼心理健康師也有他的責任所以應該是大家互相的合作協調所以我們把它列在整個第九條裡面是關於兒少從他的生命統計到健康促進預防保健這裡面其實都會有類似的身心的問題在裡面所以如果這個委員很在意 |
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這個要凸顯的話是不是可以改成用附帶決議的方式讓未來這個署要去關注到兒童心理健康的問題那如果把他明顯會跟其他的調適項會有一些不對稱那也避免未來其他的好像都通通都丟給他通通丟給這個一個兒家屬全部要負責全部的這個心理健康而已我想這個是我們的建議是這樣 |
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至於說王玉敏委員特別有提到我們在這裡的協商版本修正動議這裡面大家有已經各委員簽署的是已經有家庭托育服務資源政策之規劃因為考量到生育這個是整個更上位生育的策略是更廣 |
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所以我們這裡是把它納到的是屬於兒少跟家庭支持的部分所以會從這個家庭托育還有前端的包含各項的這個行為支持還有兒少的發展等等都會在這裡面會去含納所以是不是我們建議可以維持這個今天在修正動議的第五 |
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修正動議五的條文來通過 以上說明來 王正旭 王委員請發言好 謝謝主席根據剛剛我們所討論的 針對原來的修正動議五大家都已經有同意過嘛那另外陳靜雯委員又很擔心這個心理健康是不是應該要特別再去取代原來的這個第二條裡面的第七款 |
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他做了很大的修正 我的意見是這樣子一個就是像剛剛部長所提的 用這個負擔決議來處理另外的話呢 是不是可以原來的修正動議五的內容之下在立法說明 針對於在第九款有關健康促進的部分著於說明這個健康促進 包括心理健康促進等等這樣的內容也許會不會是 也是另外一種選擇 以上 |
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王一鳴委員剛剛部長的說明好像不太能說服我因為如果我們現在來講我們為什麼之前團體大家倡議說我們要成立兒少署裡面都提到一個很關鍵的就是現在也有少子化的問題孩子更寶貝 |
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所以我們應該是要更全面的來提供他們照護但是我們仔細看第二條如果按照原來的架構這樣寫下來部長你真的認為跟你原來 |
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現在在做的有很大的差異嗎而且這當中其實行政的部分法規的延期你們寫非常的多那剛剛經費委員提出來的是現在我們要多關注孩子的心理我覺得這個是一個一個如果在我們這次的調整跟修法裡面有意義的話他應該被凸顯出來第二個是我剛剛提到的你這個整個有關於家庭的生育跟孕產婦的照護政策 |
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這個其實也是現在我們在回應少子化裡面很重要的關鍵那如果最關鍵的要獨立出來新增加的兒少家庭署之字未提 |
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那這個我們有去凸顯它的重要性嗎我是認為那加上你原來有提到說兒童及少年的生命統計那你這邊統計都做了然後前面那個生育的不在你這個兒少家庭署裡面的重要的業務範圍 |
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那我們之前在倡議說兒少網路安全很重要這邊也有放進來了那為什麼這個跟生育有關的跟兒童心理健康有關的不能放進來我不太懂就這個其實並不妨礙啊在你原來的第二條裡面你能寫的都這麼多了那你其中有的條文裡面就是他要寫的東西很多你看你這個原來這個是 |
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第九款裡面提到 你要做的事情 這個林林總有非常多什麼生命統計 健康促進 預防保健 還有事故傷害防治及醫療照護政策規劃 推動執行協調就是你那個面向涵蓋會不會也太多了一點 |
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都集中寫在這裡然後藻寮呢是一個就是你的那個分法就是有點奇怪了我是覺得可以再看一下怎麼調會更好這個沒有衝突啊這樣啦 我想啦你們這個 |
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其實我們在處理是如果委員之間大家會先溝通嘛跟機關,跟機關溝通後你們有共識,也叫你們簽簽簽了之後,這不是認不認帳的問題啦是當然事後會認為說什麼樣就更周延啦但是我也覺得啦,我也覺得說至少啦,至少共識簽過做底線啦,做底線 |
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是做底線 保證你們機關這塊可以在文字上怎麼去做修正不然你說王玉明委員怎麼會有你的擔心啊問題王政事委員在講的我也覺得很合理啊我就不聽衛生部的喔 |
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王振旭在衛犬那裡說那算我們老大了,他講什麼我也好,那太嚴重了所以我覺得聽起來也有意見,你有你的擔憂的部分但至少啦,至少,至少就是說班分跟機關之間,提案的人跟機關之間大家都有再次的溝通,我這個我是真的為了你們,我是真的為了大家,不要說為了你們啦我也是真的煞費苦心,一直要 |
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立場看手會比較緊密機關跟體安委員之間其實都有去做協商那也達成了共識那是不是就你們那個共識的部分來做基礎補充你們覺得可以再做什麼文字上的修正嗎如果沒有的話待會要回來喔 |
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我都想說你今天都說好了,剩兩條而已來你再說一下再跟委員說明其實上次在這個案子的時候也有委員有這個附帶決議附帶決議裡面呢在今天的紅色頁碼的第11頁跟第12頁其實已經看到在兒少健康組 |
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他建議未來在編制裡面分成兒少健康組兒少健康組裡面就包含兒少醫療服務 心理健康 健康促進 保健發展所以其實他已經納進去了 並不是沒有 |
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那所以我剛剛建議就是說以附帶決議的方式就是類似像這樣其實已經把這個業務明定在未來這個署會去執行就不要寫得那麼細的東西因為身心健康像我們的健康談的就是身心健康不會只談心理健康這個會覺得 |
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像這樣我們把它寫出來就看到兒少醫療服務 心理健康 健康促進保健發展 防治 照護 找療業務等等這樣是不是可以用附帶決議那我們以後就是會照這樣去執行好 謝謝 現在這是這樣其實你說第二條都只有法律案的部分 十八個版本你還五個 |
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修正動議啊所以我的意思就是說各個委員我們盡量這樣講喔理由比較好喔不要堅持己見啦我不知道說至少這18個版本裡面加5個修正動議我們不知道用你們官方我們都已經保留完以後再一次溝通了啊溝通到最後大家都有共識然後去牽制了以後以那個保底啦用這個啦啊看可以再修正到哪裡啦啊不然喔 |
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沒完沒了 喔 這樣你們公共的資料都沒有遵守這樣也不好啦當然大家讓它更進步是好事但我要講的是說因為有18個版本加5個修正動議我覺得針對這一個法案這幾條條文我一定是很開放來給大家道個歉啦但是你這樣說不完啊說不完不如你們大家討論到死大家都展現專業 展現專業到要你們亂用標革的 |
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沒意思了這樣你委員會以後就有人來講你專業你不來講大家折衝人家喜歡司法法治不然大家在這裡口水 政治口水你們整個都很專業的 你們要跟我們一樣 |
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來陳委員請之前當然就是這個共識版出去以後還是會有很多民間的團體來反映所以我們也才會在這邊反映那我先講一下王玉敏委員為什麼會特別提到孕產婦這個 |
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是因為當初這個部長如果您還記得的話您在胃黃委員會有特別強調您是要從胎兒胚胎照顧到他一路長大嘛當然你這樣子講之後大家就會覺得是孕產婦除非你要特別出來澄清是從出生以後 |
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我可以我可以了解就是您說這個有興建司來負責但是現在興建司他就是遇到這麼多的問題一直在衍生出來就是我剛剛這些數據啊嚴重程度跟您說所以我們並不是說這塊一定全部他做或是全部他做我們希望大家都一起做我們才會想要把它列入 |
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現在的問題就是寫得不夠清楚你裡面當然也有提到網路我覺得很好不過我們從最近的一些這個很熱議的一些韓劇我們也發現說這些網路原住民他們就是造成他們 |
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心理壓力的一個很大的部分那如果部長不介意的話因為你裡面有一個健康促進在第九條看你要不要就健康促進前面就加兩個字加上身心健康促進這樣也是一個方法就讓條文比較完整而已謝謝 |
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那你的孕產負責?不然這樣啦,這條我們待會再回來討論,或是你們要我討論嗎?因為這邊加,然後我這邊也加,就在第四款,你家庭托育,你就家庭生育與托育服務資源我也加兩個字就好了這樣就好啦,因為你後面已經同意我的負債決議你們兩個說話不遵守,你們的文字要多?不然你們說話之後,你們待會又起飛身心健康,啊跟那個生育及托育嘛 |
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第一個是第四款的前面就是有家庭生育及托育然後再來就是在第九款 |
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您現在這樣有控制嗎 您文字去擬一下請求款就是身心健康促進本來健康促進就包含身心這樣文字擬一下 現在我就要進行第三條 文字來喔這條待會再回來 先暫保留一下 |
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第三條林月琴等二十人提案 |
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先請委員來表示意見第三條來你們第二條文字要給我 |
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林愛菁委員請我會提出第三條的修正動議主要是希望兒家屬跟攝照屬應該保留更彈性的專業用人制度為什麼因為這次事實上是把各種很多的專業要整併在一個以孩子的權能發展或者是我們的長輩跟我們身心障礙者的整體的發展 |
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希望在用人的時候要有一些彈性制度因為為什麼兒家屬跟社照屬掌理的事實上是兒少福利家庭支持跟社會工作身障長照保護服務等高度專業政策那這個工作呢涉及到社工公衛醫療心理教育跟法律等跨領域的一個專業需要我覺得兼具有 |
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政策能力跟專業視野的人才來領導所以我覺得除了文官體系培養的優秀行政人才之外我認為應該要保留延攬學術界或者是專業界人才來擔任署長的一個制度的彈性度我覺得這個不是排除我們的文官也不是改變文官升遷制度而是增加一個選項因為多一條人才來源的話讓國家有 |
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真正長期投入兒少家庭社福跟公共衛生等領域研究的且具有行政領導能力的學者專家來能夠依法聘任投入我們的公共服務而且過去不是沒有這樣子的一個案例在過去的 |
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我們教育部體育署的組織法第三條跟現在的運動部全民健康署的組織法就明定本署至署長一人那職務列檢認第十三指等至第十四指等必要時得比照大學校長的資格聘任那相同的交通部運輸研究所的組織條例跟速發部的支通安全署的組織法 |
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那其他場所如我們的國立海洋生物博物館跟國立海洋科技博物館跟國立科學工藝博物館跟國立自然科學博物館都有這樣因為當初立法的理由會這樣子就是希望能夠保留政府原來專業人才的彈性度而立任的 |
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我們的體育署長也是據有大學教授借調擔任的實際案例所以我們很希望能夠用這樣有個彈性度因為本來我們最期待的事實上是 |
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文官跟政務官都是雙軌那如果不行的話 那至少我覺得用這樣子事實上讓人才有多元的因為畢竟兒家屬關係到 就像剛剛玉敏委員講說那如果少子化 那少子化要讓兒家屬更好結果我們又限制到那個原來要帶領的那個人我相信我們大家都很知道 頭很重要如果事實上他沒有有這樣子可以有選才更多元的話 那可能會變我們可能會更限縮 |
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即便我們今天討論了這麼多工作然後要來做結果如果沒有辦法有保留這彈性度的話對我們的外發展並不是好事以上 |
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是啦 我先讓有簽的 我要問你們機關之間因為版本也多啦 版本多以後本來就是溝通嘛如果溝通之後 如果大家有簽的 如果沒有簽的我會請你表達意見 如果沒有簽了之後 又廢了就比較沒意思啦 因為等於說醫療也可以用附帶決議去做補充的那其實也可以完整 把它做一個更完整的 那接下來我看 |
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台灣民眾黨家陳昭智委員來謝謝主席因為這一條其實是非常原則性的問題我們在過去在處理這個組織法的部分包括這個比較新的新住民發展署那過去我們查了一下其實很多三級機關包括公務總局 氣象署其實 |
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其實很多的這個三級機關他們在做所謂的改制或組織法的時候有關這個署長或首長的部分那其實是一致性很高那我們黨的原則就是說承認文官這個部分就是說這個署長是我們覺得是以內生為原則外調是個例外這個提高士氣是非常非常非常重要的那所以我們原來我們的黨主張的就是說這個部分 |
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就依照我們過去 這自然做的方法是一樣我們的職務是就是直接列檢任第13職等那副署長也是一樣 署長跟副署長是 副署長當然是第12職等我們的主張就是要內生為主啦那現在我就是說這是我們的原則那當然現在我看到那個衛福部的版本這邊還特別指的說 |
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我想先了解你們的想法是什麼必要時得比照大學校長那比照大學校長就等於他不是大學校長所以要比照嗎還是說你們就只聘大學校長來做擔任這個位置嗎 |
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你大家看 |
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有關於這條,我覺得事務官優先原則建立起我們的文官體系這個原則應該是要的,我們在做這麼多的事務官,大家貢獻給國家 |
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遇到有這個出缺的機會優先以事務官為優先我覺得這個原則應該要確立那這是第一點那第二點才是討論說如果真的現任的所有的事務官騙尋不著的時候才考慮向外去徵才 |
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但是你們這樣的寫法很容易會被誤以為指向學術界徵才這是不對的事實上在社會福利體系裡面你可以看到有很多優秀的人他有可能是你們原來優秀的事務官他提早退休也很優秀可以再回認 |
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也有可能是民間的NPO組織有非常豐富經驗的人他也很優秀也很適合來擔任所以你如果要開放我的主張就是不是這種寫法就是說你是事務官的話就是優先然後 |
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你應該把它放進去 就是事務官就是優先嘛那真的不行的時候才向外徵才那向外徵才的時候就不是限於說什麼一定是校長或者是什麼學術領域了應該就是以最適合的人為優先那我不知道你們這樣的寫法是什麼很容易被誤以為是指向學術界徵才這個可能要部長說明一下 |
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接下來林業錦委員我們本來就期待事務官跟政務官並進的確民間團體或者是學校或者是剛剛講的退休的某些事實上是他事實上是不錯的人選所以我們本來是希望並進尤其我相信你跟我都很在意兒家屬 |
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主要領導人是誰 甚至社照署那一樣的啊 所以我們那時候很希望不要只有單一的可是你現在講的那樣子 事實上就雙軌啊雙軌那我們當然樂見啊對 可是如果同意 根本也不用後邊這些如果你想優先 可是後邊還是有個彈性讓它雙軌可以並行 那是我們最期待的 對 |
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來 范雲委員我是個人覺得衛福部原來的規劃其實最寬廣啦就是王玉明委員關心的就是說事務官優秀事務官也可以政治任命嘛然後就是那個那如果學有專長的不管是NGO 兒少領域的學術界的都有這個可能性那是不是一起支持原來衛福部的規劃優先 |
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其實這條線 我個人來看 其實在衛藩這裡 衛藩裡面 你說你買政務官的 你就是說怕臭傭衛藩委員會衛務部裡面 你說你臭傭 臭傭當你們這裡的調 |
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其實應該要去區分啦 其實讓多元的人才可以進來這不是壞事啦你總不可能叫我莊銳雄去做你的市長嘛他叫你們的三號我去做你們的公司 沒有一定的專業 也沒有人敢 |
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這個是太過於 太多的一個政治對抗 結果變成每一種都要大行覆轍的 你們都一定要跟他說 都不能有政務官這個也麻煩啦 但是我很有耐心 這條我還要跟你們跳過了啦你們就說不完啊 因為說不完我就先跟你們跳過了 好不好我們待會再回來講話 我就今天 我就盡量的時間留給你們啦 來 |
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但是抱歉主席 我覺得這條聽起來還蠻有共識的啊沒有啦 大家簽簽會都不遵守的 有人說那我就沒簽到大家那麼多人 我不好意思跟你們說因為畢竟這是聯席啦 好不好 來 |
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沒有啦 這個牽一髮而動全身啦我如果條文不給你們處理喔等一下 王委員就是說我條文不給你們處理喔我連附帶決議也沒辦法處理你條文你就卡關啊附帶決議要怎麼處理啊你還要一事無成 你們是不能怪我喔我們這是組織法 上來我們這裡而已喔是都你們這裡為你們特別關心不是壞事嘛特別關心是好事啊但問題就是沒有共識啊 |
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我如果要關心更深的事 我堅持幾件 一定都不會有共識這點就先這樣 待會再回來 好不好 我們接下來 |
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來 第三案就是病案協商司法法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案等12案委員徐宇珍等17人委員沈發慧等18人委員蔡宇宇等16人這16個15 老灰16 |
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委員李坤哲16人的提案分別在第11屆第5會期第4次院會第5次院會第12次以及第15次院會決定禁副惡毒與相關提案並案協商以上一共5案我們今天來並案協商那我們審查會在 |
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1月19號審查完畢 審查的結果是第一條到第三條保留以外其餘你說那個名稱衛生福利部社會發展及長期照顧組織法那些都有審查結果通過並決議須交由黨團協商那我們為求效率我們是不是也就保留部分來進行討論其餘有共識的部分就先到審查會審查結果來通過 |
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現在開始來進行本案保留條文的討論審查會保留三條繼續協商三條我們先從第一條開始第一條就是一共16個版本加一個修正動議 |
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今天新四位就是林業勤委員您的新修正動議那我們現在來進行保留條文的討論審查會暴流三條一共要協商三條我們就從第一條開始那是不是請來兩團協商代表 什麼人要表示意見來 林業勤委員 |
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如果第一條的話因為我們當一個事實上是我們現在不會去稱所謂的擾人所以改成高齡者那另外一個還是因為民間團體大概一直在表示要把發展先放前面所以擺成事實上是社會發展及長期照顧屬本來事實上是顛倒我們希望把社會發展放前面那現在也取得其他黨團的三黨都有共識名稱同歸 |
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後來 那請還有沒有其他協商代表不然就請機關來做說明應該在那裡嘀嘀嘟嘟來 什麼人要說來也不一定要每條都補充說啊這樣 那個補充你們有意見嗎 |
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沒有 同意 同意 交修正動議來 那我們就照協商內容通過那第二條 都中16個版本 還有一個修正動議今天協商新收的修正動議 林業勤委員要提修正動議來 那現在請協商代表表達意見 |
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這個第二條條文也是三黨都已經有簽署一樣也是並同跟第一條同樣是要把他改成高齡者主要是高齡者他其他的也是各個委員的版本裡面那也都有去納入所以還有當時還有個考慮要符合我們的聯合國2008年提出來的活力老化的一些概念好像 |
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權益保障安全維護跟社會參與的規劃所以把它納進去所以比較大差異左這邊其他的大概都是各委員同意的這樣我要宣告你不聽算算你來那個機關有沒有來做回應說明一下跟各位委員報告那第二條的部分我那個對於各委員那個協商結果我們都完全同意好這樣就照那個林業勤委員的修正動議通過照修正動議通過啦 |
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來 第三條第三條 16個版本加一個修正動議的原理 也是今天議會議員 林月琴委員所提的修正動議來 請協商代表來做說明林月琴委員 來 |
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而第三條事實上跟剛才的兒家署的那個概念事實上是一樣的我們還是期待事實上希望色照署也是一樣能夠保留更具彈性的專業用人制度所以若干兒家署這邊大家事實上是 |
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有意見的話那我不知道這一條是不是我認為還是要去考慮因為因為不能講說他們不去因為有委員版本說什麼因為這個這條你們有說好嗎這條你們有說好嗎有那個有民眾黨的委員有簽署這樣我請機關 |
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有啦的邱委員邱惠祿委員你都有請來請機關說明呃這個跟委員報告那對於已經簽署的部分我們呃衛福部這邊我們當然都是支持不過因為呃這個 |
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社會發展遺產照顧署草案第三條的部分和兒家署的部分這個第三條同樣都是首長任用的部分那這個如果在場的委員如果都同意的話對於剛才已經簽過的部分都同意的話我們絕對都可以我們都可以配合這樣其他協商代表有沒有不同意見那如果要交給修正棟議員過喔可以齁 |
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有沒有 所以我在問你們的意見啊其他協商大表有沒有意見啊那如果沒有就有共識了有共識 因為你們邱蕙如她她也有簽 看妳的意見如何 |
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一樣的道理啊 就是這個事情是原則上就是一樣的嘛就是我們要求就是事務官 常任文官先上來嘛好啦 這樣斷了 斷了怎麼說啊那斷層就承認沒有了嗎沒有啦 教授也不是萬能啊教授不每天都教的喔沒有錯 絕對沒有錯我的意思就是人才多元 我們也不要去跟他限縮說他不可以跟他排除掉的意思啦也有很厲害的呢 |
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高雄也有很多高雄人家不是只有台大專政教授 還有中研院的高雄人所以當初我們希望學生的民間團體 智商業界都可以因為畢竟兒家署跟社發署我覺得新的我們算一算還是比較多所以我們不是說排除文官喔 我們是希望兩者並進真的選人選才的時候 我覺得希望 |
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如果今天大家這麼期待兒家屬又覺得少子化甚至未來長輩的這一條我們的長照本來就很重要為什麼不是讓人才可以更有彈性讓政府機關能夠如果文官先行為戰略生育民獎那後來如果那找人可是你先把路斬斷了根本就是不可能那如果這一時之間沒有一些我們覺得比較適合人選 |
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我們認為我們今天討論這麼多花了這麼多力氣協商了這麼多次說每一條要怎麼怎麼做這整合了多少專業啊那既然整合這麼多專業為什麼不是讓上邊主事者事實上是更有第三條 兩邊都是第三條但是我們那個想法在組織法的想法是一致的啦 |
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那剛剛我們也有講過當初就說他也簽了那是我們最後的可是我覺得剛剛玉敏委員提到我非常贊成就當初回來雙軌至於那個 |
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立法說明附帶決議說以文官性優先然後可是還是保留個彈性我認為這是比較好的方式不要說一次就斬斷那如果真的花了這麼多力氣討論這些事情好不容易走到民間我們倡導多久要額紹專責機構倡導了多久那好不容易走到這一步結果上面的人你用這樣的想法的話真的你們這不公正啦不要回來 張雅琳委員 |
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已經快要有共識了其實我跟妳說啦年紀大我聽到現在有一個好處啦如果對就對到底啦錯就錯到底啦就是這樣子叫做一致嘛一致就是這樣嘛妳如果要多元妳最聽不下去就先讓妳們說完再再來 |
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其實我聽起來為什麼我剛覺得蠻有共識因為其實我們大家都聽起來都是認同文官體制還是很重要嘛所以事務官優先嘛讓優秀的人才在體制內可以得到這個晉升的機會我想這點都是有共識的可是問題是還是要回到說實務上面到底有沒有那如果真的沒有的話是不是可以向外尋才嘛因為其實在很多的縣市政府的社會局的局長 |
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他們過去也不一定是在學校的體制內嘛他可能是在NGO那他現在做的也都非常好所以我們今天我想聽起來大家的共識都是希望讓兒家署或是社造署可以盡快的成立有一個專業的人士去帶領推廣執行這個業務所以我想 |
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重點其實大家方向是一致的只是說在條文上面我們要怎麼落把我們的精神落下去那這個是不是可以先請衛福部來提出一個版本或是提出他們的想法那我們落條文呢是不是可以這樣衛福部這樣啦來衛福部你們想一下好不好 |
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現在結論就是說 現在政府跟事務官 本地就像你所說的 本地就像蓬勃開天 全世界都這樣做你現在怕說政府官去 僧傭去好了 現在事務官優先多開的人才禁用的一個管道 你們文字再修正一下不然我要跳過了 跳過後連附帶決議我都跳過去囉因為你這沒有辦法達成共識啊 |
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我都聽你們的說話,你們的說話大家都太好了 |
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我們講的話都已經一樣了好不好我們講的話讓你們文字再擬一下就好了我先等一下再回來後邊用我覺得立法說明這邊 |
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講的那個優先就可以解決他不是雙軌制好嗎 他是有個優先次序是啦 是啦 學者誤國的太多了好啦 這不這樣講 都認識啦食物界也很多人才 學術界也很多人才NGO其實也很多人才真的啦 多元金融是好事啦你們看文藝你們說怎麼樣 等一下再回來 好不好來 接下來 |
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暫保留啦那我們現在進行那個病案協商就是司法法制跟社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條 |
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條文的修正案8案委員徐宇珍等17人委員沈發慧等18人委員丁學忠等19人的提案分別在第11屆第5會及第4次院會還有第5次還有第6次淨富二讀與相關提案並案協商以上一共4案我們今天要來並案協商那我們在1月19號審查完均審查的結果是第二條 |
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修正通過那本案在審查會審查的時候呢經過充分的討論並已經達成共識 為求效率我們是不是照審查會的審查結果來通過 請各位來表達意見有意見嗎這應該大家沒意見 有共識的嘛好 那現在現在這條的沒有意見的話 我們就另外 |
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是這樣的一個結論內容來 |
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我來唸一下那立法院黨團協商結論時間115年4月9號星期四中午12點半然後還有115年7月1號星期三下午2點半地點紅樓302會議室協商的主題病安協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會 |
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報告病案審查行政院函請審議委員羅廷偉等17人委員郭玉琴等16人委員張雅玲等17人委員王玉敏等21人委員林月琴等17人委員王正旭等19人委員徐曉欣等19人分別擬具衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案等8案 |
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委員徐宇珍等17人擬拒衛生福利部中央健保健康保險署組織法第二條條文的修正草案委員沈發慧等18人擬拒衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案還有委員丁學忠等19人擬拒衛生福利部中央健康保險署組織法第二條條文修正草案 |
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協商結論照軍造審查會審查結果通過來 再來 |
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再來繼續來進行主題五 病患協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病患審查行政院函請審議委員羅廷偉等一共 |
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最後等八案 那委員林楚英等十九人委員審發會等十八人 台灣民眾黨黨團所提案分別經第十一屆第五會期 第三次院會第五次院會 第七次院會決定 敬夫二讀 |
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與相關提案並案來做協商 以上一共四案我們今天來並案協商那本案在審查會第一月十九號審查完畢 審查結果是均無保留條文那並決議均有屈膠黨團協商本案在審查會審查的時候均經充分討論並且達成共識 為此效率是不是照審查會審查結果通過 各位有沒有意見 |
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好 沒有意見的話 那我們來來 協商結論 我來唸一下立法院黨團協商結論時間115年4月9號星期四中午12點30分115年7月1號星期三下午2點30分地點 紅樓302會議室 |
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病案協商的主題病案協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議委員羅廷偉等17人委員郭玉琴等16人委員張雅玲等17人委員林月琴等18人委員王正旭等19人委員徐曉新等18人委員劉建國等19人分別擬具國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案 |
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等八案委員林楚英等19人擬具國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案委員沈發慧等18人擬具國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案台灣民眾黨黨團擬具國家醫療科技評估中心設置條例草案協商結論均照審查會審查結果通過 |
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來 現在病案協商繼續進行主題六司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委會報告病案審查行政院函請審議委員 宗嘉斌等19人擬具國家中醫研究院設置調理草案等14案 |
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包括陳穎、葉元芝、莊瑞雄、劉建國、沈發慧、王育民、郭育琴、羅廷偉、王正旭、張雅琳等等14案在11屆第4會期第20次院會決定將委員林倩琦等18年女婿國家中醫研究院設置條例草案 |
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提案經復二讀 與相關的提案 併案來做協商以上共計兩案在今天併案協商審查會 審查上次在1月19號審查結果沒有保留條文並決議均交由黨團協商那本案在審查會審查時均經充分討論並且達成共識 維持效率是不是照審查會審查結果通過請問各位有沒有意見好 沒有意見的話 我們就現在來給他唸一下 |
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協商的結論來地點時間這個立法院黨團協商結論時間115年4月9號星期四中午12點30分115年7月1號星期三下午2點30分地點紅樓302會議室並案協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告並案審查行政院函請審議委員鍾嘉斌等19人擬具國家中醫研究院 |
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設置條例草案委員陳穎等17人委員岳英之等19人分別擬具國家中醫藥研究院設置條例草案委員莊瑞雄等16人委員劉建國等17人委員林月琴等31人委員沈發慧等17人分別擬具國家中醫 |
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研究院設置條例草案委員王玉敏等17人你具國家中醫藥研究院你設置條例草案委員郭玉琴等16人委員羅廷偉等17人委員王正旭等19人委員張雅玲等20人委員徐曉欣等18人分別你具國家中醫院 |
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中醫研究院設置條例草案等14案委員林倩琦等18年女巨國家中醫研究院設置條例草案協商結論均照審查會審查結果通過這樣啦 我們先休息一下好不好我們先休息10有共識喔你休息一下喔 讓你們在那裡作鑑一下啦10分鐘好不好 10分鐘休息一下 |
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我來委員請就座 各位協商代表請就座 機關代表也請就座 我們現在要來開始了把握時間喔 |
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這個就是陳清輝委員本來有提的現在就是公司第二版第二案又提了修正動議8序號這樣不就是這個來 委員陳清輝所提這第二條啦 第二條這就是衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持組織法草案第二條委員陳清輝等所提修正動議 |
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這什麼 修正動議 提案八提案八啦 提案八來 大家的手有卡到嗎這條內容大家有什麼意見嗎沒意見就不用說 有意見嗎 來我覺得還是有點不太妥適的是 因為本來 |
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因為我認為還是要加家庭兩個字啦就是在第四這一個所以生育及家庭托育服務如果真的要加生育的話我認為還是要加家庭托育服務因為家庭還有托育服務這樣會比較好 |
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好 來 這樣只有妳的意見對 托育不見得是家庭 可是也有家庭這個陳委員的部分 王玉明委員有簽 陳昭志委員有簽 王正旭委員有簽你們就跳過 不說了 來 請機關說明跟委員說明 因為我們考量到生育跟托育服務也不限於家庭啦它的資源是很廣的 所以我們才把家庭這兩個字拿掉讓它比較廣 生育及托育服務資源 |
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所以他是比較廣的,不是只限於家庭托育這樣會誤解只有家庭托育林委員林月琴召委,我是聽起來石部長我常常反對他,可是他今天講的是有道理有,他講的我都不太願意聽因為他都跟我說我要看一顆看一顆,我都說我不買,我要看一顆他跟他建議我都不採納 |
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是啦 應該要聽啦 有聽到沒有 月秦委員 可以啦好 那這樣第二條的按照按照這個陳廷輝委員所提修正動議8來 這樣就照協商內容通過來 第三條 |
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這四三條 這十八個版本三個修正動議碼 |
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來 第二案的第三條 修正動議9這提案我看王玉民委員 陳昭智委員有簽王振旭委員有簽 張雅琳委員也有簽林瑋琼也有簽 范雲也有簽 我也有簽這樣 機關說明可以齁 禁表同意好 不用禁表 寧靜同意就好 |
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那就照王育民委員等所提修正動議9協商內容通過了 |
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我們繼續處理 審查會保留的附帶決議一共有三案那討論事項第二案協商資料就是紅色頁碼第十到十二然後從第一案 就是委員王玉敏等提案開始那請問提案委員有沒有補充說明 |
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好來 阿納博的衛生福利部 石部長家 你們有什麼說明儘表同意好 那本案就照案通過第二案 那繼續第二案 就是委員陳培宇 莊瑞雄 張雅琳 王正旭等提案本案在上次協商有提出文字修正那請問提案委員有沒有補充說明 |
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沒有 沒有啦 那如果沒有就照協商後的修正文字通過還有另外有關審查會保留的附帶決議第三案委員陳培宇 莊瑞雄 王正旭 張雅琳等提案本案之前進行第一次協商時已有協商共識 照修正後文字通過這念在裡面 都怪怪的 |
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蛤 是喔有啦 我是說我念我自己的名字好奇怪喔然後繼續處理上次協商會議所保留的台灣民眾黨黨團及委員林業勤等所提附帶決議一共三案討論事項第二案協商資料紅色頁碼就是13到15我們先處理台灣民眾黨所提的附帶決議第一案請問黨團的協商代表有補充說明嗎 |
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阿那不請那個 石部長衛生福利部家有沒有說明建表同意好那就照案通過那繼續處理委員林月琴所提附帶決議共兩案針對林委員所提的第一案請問提案委員有沒有補充說明 |
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機關有沒有說明 進表同意好 那就照案通過針對林委員所提第二案 請問提案委員有沒有補充說明沒有 那請問衛務部有沒有其他說明 照案通過 |
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那繼續來處理本日協商會場咱們新收的附帶決議兩案討論事項第二案協商資料紅色頁碼16到17我們先處理第一案就是委員邱惠露等所提的附帶決議請問提案委員有來嗎沒來來那請機關請機關有沒有說明第一案 |
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負債決議你應該有看過吧他沒有連署人可以喔他只有一個提案人有問題嗎 |
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可以同意好 那就召喚通過啦來 我們繼續來處理第二案啦就委員張雅琳等所提的附帶決議主席請教一個問題齁就是說因為前一個案子啊他只有邱惠璐委員一個人簽可是他不是本委委員會委員委員對 委員 可是沒有連署人也可以也可以嗎現在就怎樣 提案人就好了可以啊他黨團提案是不是 |
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那就是說我的這個案子呢基本上已經跟那個衛福部討論好了就是把我們的文字拉制一致這樣子對齊而已很多人同歸共同有念力 一個人叫威力無比 |
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衛福部針對第二案家有沒有意見沒有意見那我們就召喚通過那我們處理 來我們本日做協商結論如下 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間就是115年4月9號星期四中午12點30分115年7月1號星期三下午2點30分地點紅樓302會議室協商主題就病案協商司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告病案審查行政院函請審議委員林月琴 |
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等20人委員羅廷瑋等17人委員陳培宇等16人委員郭玉琴等16人委員王玉敏等21人委員李坤誠等19人委員王正旭等19人委員張雅玲等21人委員王宏威等17人委員曲曉欣等18人委員李燕秀等18人委員廖偉祥等17人 |
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委員劉建國等19人分別擬具衛生福利部兒少級家庭支持署組織法草案等14案委員徐宇甄等17人擬具衛生福利部兒少級家庭支持署組織法草案委員沈發慧等17人擬具衛生福利部兒少級家庭支持署組織法草案 |
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委員蔡宇等16人擬拒衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案委員李坤澤等16人擬拒衛生福利部兒少及家庭支持署組織法草案協商結論一第二條及第三條均照協商內容通過降如復見 |
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7311.292 |
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7323.895 |
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二 通過附帶決議三項 降爐復建三 新增附帶決議五項 降爐復建其餘均照審查會審查結果通過 |
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7340.644 |
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7341.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署執法草案 |
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7360.43 |
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7371.878 |
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第一條16個版本 加一個修正動議那本日啊 協商新收的修正動議包括林玥琴委員等所提的修正動議請問協商代表有什麼意見嗎沒有啦 機關 |
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7378.619 |
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7403.284 |
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接表同意好 那就照協商內容通過那第二條就是16個版本加一個修正動議那請問這個還有今天新收的委員林月琴等所提修正動議請問協商代表在場有沒有意見沒有的話 機關有沒有意見沒有意見沒有意見就照協商內容通過 |
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7404.676 |
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7431.01 |
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第三條16個版本加三個修正動議今天就還有委員林月琴等所提修正動議委員王玉敏等所提修正動議五那是不是就照王玉敏委員所提的修正動議五通過在場委員有沒有意見 器官有沒有意見 |
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7432.476 |
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7443.789 |
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禁表同意 好 按照按照王育敏所提的修正動議 協商內容通過 |
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7448.549 |
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7465.924 |
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繼續處理上次協商會議所收的委員林月琴等所提附帶決議一案就是我們討論事項第三案協商資料黃色頁碼第五頁那請問委員提案委員有沒有補充說明沒有的話請問衛福部有沒有其他意見沒有沒有的話我們就照案通過來我們現在來本日協商的結論那 |
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7476.899 |
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7482.205 |
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我們就協商結論如下立法院黨團協商結論時間115年4月9號星期四中午12點30分115年7月1號星期三下午2點30分地點紅樓302會議室 |
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7495.318 |
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7516.172 |
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並案協商社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會報告並案審查行政院函請審議衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案委員林月琴等19人擬具衛生福利部長照及社會發展署 |
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7518.313 |
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7546.582 |
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組織法草案委員羅廷偉等17人委員郭玉琴等16人委員王玉敏等21人委員李坤成等19人委員王正旭等19人委員張雅琳等21人委員王洪威等16人委員徐曉欣等19人委員廖偉翔等17人委員劉建國等19人分別擬具衛生福利部長級照顧及社會發展署 |
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7548.748 |
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7565.86 |
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組織法草案等12案委員徐宇珍等17人擬具衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案委員沈發慧等18人擬具衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案 |
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7566.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7595.431 |
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委員蔡宇等16人擬拒衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案委員李昆澤等17人擬拒衛生福利部長期照顧及社會發展署組織法草案協商結論第一條第二條第三條均照協商內容通過祥儒附件第二新增附帶決議議案祥儒附件第三據均照審查會審查結果通過 |
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7615.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7618.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
來 我補充宣告第二案 補充宣告這個協商結論 |
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7621.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7636.736 |
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來 協商結論第二條及第三條 均照協商內容通過祥儒附件第二 通過審查會保留附帶決議三項 祥儒附件新增附帶決議五項 祥儒附件其餘均照審查會審查結果通過這樣都算了 你們還有幾年要做什麼 散會 |
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7650.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7657.466 |
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那稍待就議事人員把協商結論書面製作完畢你就交委員簽名啦謝謝各位啦 |