| IVOD_ID |
17561 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17561 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-01T08:33:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-01T12:53:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:19:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eae0f2bee81d4a52a7e9b2fc60fbbff2237149c28021a32520066a49b022c9e1395ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款原住民族委員會、原住民族文化發展中心部分。四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於原住民族委員會主管作業基金—原住民族綜合發展基金。五、繼續審查原住民族委員會函送財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案。【處理預算提案】【6月29日、7月1日、2日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:33 - 12:53:00 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好 繼續開會 繼續進行本日討論事項 請宣讀 |
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繼續審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分繼續審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會原住民族文化發展及其直轄市級縣市一般性補助款部分繼續審查原住民族委員會主管作業基金原住民族綜合發展基金繼續審查財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會一百一十五年度預算書案宣讀完畢 |
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首先介紹在場委員及列席官員 首先介紹我們李柏毅召委王美惠委員抱歉 還有我們張志倫委員翁曉琳委員我們介紹與會官員 行政院張敦海秘書長行政院主計總處公務預算處 |
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徐淑萍專門委員其餘請參閱列席官員名單我們今天先進行討論事項第一案協商請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再進行協商 |
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一百一十五年度行政院稅務預算第二款罰款及賠償收入第五項行政院五列數第三款貴賠收入第四項行政院五列數第四款財產收入第六項行政院三百八十三萬一千元第七款其他收入第六項行政院兩百六三萬兩千元最初部分第二款行政院主管第一項行政院十六億四千七百一十五萬六千元第一幕一般行政十一億六千四百九十七萬七千元 |
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第二幕 施政及法制業務1437萬元第三幕 施政推展聯繫615萬元第四幕 聯合服務業務3788萬7千元第五幕 災害防救及國土安全2363萬2千元第六幕 性別平等業務2195萬4千元第七幕 消保及食安業務1432萬5千元第八幕 資訊管理欽見299萬元 |
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第九目 新聞傳播業務5,254萬7千元第十目 人權及轉型正義1,315萬元第十一目 個資保護委員會籌備業務1億5,327萬1千元第十二目 一般建築及設備6,810萬3千元第十三目 第一預備金380萬元繼續宣讀提案 |
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第一項行政院為第一案至第十一案第一幕一般行政為第十二至十四案第二幕施政及法治業務為第十五至第二十六案第三幕施政推展聯繫為二十七至三十案第四幕聯合服務業務為三十一至三十六案第五幕災害防救及國土安全為三十七到四十三案第六幕性別平等業務為四十四至四十八案第七幕消保及食安業務為四十九至五十六案 |
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那我們現在開始進行協商 |
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好 那我們開始進行協商有關中央政府總預算行政院的稅出部分第一項行政院那是不是有請有提案的委員有要做說明的王小林委員 |
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本期在今天提出的是第六案有关于行政院的媒体政策及业务宣导费用我们知道行政院在去年的法定预算的媒宣费是0元但是依然运作顺畅 |
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更何況沒宣費它也不是一個必要的業務支出那麼理應考量政府的財政狀況的這個予以遵截那麼我們要講的就是其實在媒體從業人員都知道這個獨家新聞大家會搶特別是當這個行政院院長發言人秘書長等等的出來做一些重大的議題新聞的宣示 |
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大家都要搶著報導所以根本不需要砸大錢拍廣告買廣告發言人開記者會發新聞稿臉書發天文等等每一個方式基本上都可以做更何況看起來在去年行政院的這個沒宣並沒有因此而削弱它的影響力所以在這邊我基於就是專節沒宣費的這個支出那麼應該我就提議要將這個沒宣費全數刪除 |
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檢列1678萬以上好 謝謝那高進委員有發言嗎對 接下來還有第十案抱歉抱歉 第十案 |
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第十案是有關於行政院的按日案件祭資酬金那麼這個案子基本上在他們今年是編列了1089萬但是他們114年度的執行率只有55% |
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事实上在112年113年执行率大概只有7成左右剩余数都在105到419万之间那么所以对于行政院本来这个按日按鉴计资筹金就用不了那么多的钱所以也不需要再编列更高的钱他们今年成长的幅度是成长了23% |
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那麼基於就是政府的經費要尊潔使用不必要的或是過去向來都沒有用掉的費用本來就應該要刪除或是不應該要扶憋那麼基於政府的經費尊潔使用所以我在此提案簡列200萬而且經費不得留用以上 |
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那我也補充一下我在提案第八案我也是對於這個沒宣費我有意見那雖然行政院已經說這個部分呢他們是用來政策宣導但是我認為這筆費用不應該把它 |
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不知道它實際的效應是什麼那行政院你們的主張是沒宣費可以用在重要的政策啦重大的事件啦防災緊急事件啦消費者保護啦食安風險溝通還有轉型正義的宣導上面 |
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並且你要規劃以觸及人數、瀏覽次數、觀賞次數等關鍵的績效指標你們是說要逐年比較但是我認為就是說行政院你們並沒有證明這筆錢花的是有效果的 |
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如果績效指標只剩下所謂的流量數字沒宣它就會變成政府花錢買曝光而不是公共溝通所以我認為政府花這筆錢不能夠只是買看見你們必須要交出理解信任跟實際的行為改變所以在這個部分我是希望減劣三百萬凍結三百萬 |
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然後呢在三個月之內就對於這樣子的經費的必要性績效指標還有效益的分析年度的效益檢討跟未達標的調整機制向立法院的內政委員會提出專案報告 |
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並且經過我們同意之後才可以動那另外呢一到第五案這是行政院的預算行政院預算總共有16億4千萬那麼我對於幾個部分我有我的意見第一個就是基金的撥補上一次在這裡有就叫過張秘書長 |
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那張秘書長給我的回應是說行政院對原住民的照顧已經不遺餘力了即使中發基金的帳目上是事實上有短處的但是你們會透過不同的裁員然後專案計畫還有各部會的協助來確保原住民族權益不受影響 |
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但是我要再一次的強調原住民的基金不是急診室不是說每一次快要撕血了之後你們才要輸血然後行政院你們更不能夠用適時協助來取代穩定的裁員 |
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然後呢立法院的預算評估報告裡面其實也明確的指出行政院沒有依照113年總預算組決議三年必須要平均撥補方式然後 |
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補一年補二十三億所以也就是說立法院的這個主決議行政院好像一直以來視為無誤這一個部分身為一個立法委員我真的有很大的意見再另外就是原民會一百一十五年五月再一次的發文給行政院 |
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原民會也是行政團隊之一為什麼原民會要一再而再的發言給行政院希望你們能夠把這個沒有補足的基金來補足那就表示他有難嘛 |
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那你自己的行政團隊一照的行文給行政院你們卻是這樣的態度說我一個原住民的立委我也不能夠接受我相信我的主委也不能夠接受行政院你們不能夠一邊說重視原住民然後一邊讓原住民的綜合發展基金靠臨時的補血過日子 |
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大家應該都知道 園民會的這個基金呢 它是攸關族人的貸款產業 就業 還有長期的發展不是等到你基金沒有錢了以後 你拖了一筆給他也不是等到災害發生了以後 你又再補一筆給他我覺得如果沒有分明其成 沒有穩定的裁員 沒有財務健全的方案行政院所謂的權益不受影響 這部分我不接受 我認為它只是一個口號 |
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另外警察文勞部分我同意組決議然後順便報告警察危險加急我也同意組決議順便報告對於原幣刺案原住民的羊我是不是一起講還是可以嗎 |
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請問一下一到十一項就一起講那不好意思讓我再講一下因為這個有關於原住民的權益的問題還有基金撥補問題實在是蠻嚴重的那第四案是對於原住民的養護道路的部分我在這個部分我是要求凍結500萬然後希望能夠專案報告我覺得道路養護的經費大家都很知道我好不容易 |
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爭取到因為大家都知道原住民的道路非常的長他有鄉道有縣道而原住民的道路如果不做好其實就等同一個人的血管血路不通他是中風的而且這些道路他不僅僅是農產品他還是每天我們的族人上下班必須經過的路 |
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而行政院你們把財化法當成減劣原鄉道路的經費的理由但是你們根本沒有考量原鄉道路的特殊性原鄉道路的地形是破碎的而且災害是頻繁的養護成本非常高替代道路也很少有一些是根本也沒有替代道路的地方財源增加了不代表原鄉道路就會被優先照顧 |
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中央不应该不替原乡人少但是地表非常辽阔的原乡来着想所以如果我们中央不设稳定的机制原乡的道路很容易就在地方预算 |
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的排序裡面被邊緣化尤其尤其我講的養護我們花好不容易花了幾年四年五年中長期的計劃把原住民的道路給連接上了但是你連接上完了之後的未來的養護呢未來的養護你如果不做的話這個道路等於就是白花錢尤其原鄉地區 |
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它的幣廣非常的遼闊我剛剛一直在強調所以呢我認為行政院你們給你們回覆是說因為財政收入劃分法的修正地方統籌稅款大幅增加中央跟地方財政的資源配置已經調整了所以你們認為地方自有的財源增加之後這個幣費應該要交給地方自治事項要回歸地方辦理那 |
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行政院這樣的說法等於就又把它推到地方政府去我再一次強調原鄉地區人少地緣遼闊請問一下縣市面哪一個縣市長會把真正的預算放在選票少的地方 |
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就是因為這樣原先長期以來就一直不被正視啊所以本行我在立法院的時候我就不斷的跟行政院來爭取好不容易爭取到了在交通部爭取到了這個養護經費那行政院你們現在卻不給園民會所以我認為現在的道路養護經費我要凍結五百萬然後希望行政院你們給我一個合理的說明然後給我專案報告 |
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然後再來就是資商同意辦法我同意組決議說明報告那另外沒宣我剛剛已經說明過了以上謝謝好那我們還有王洪威委員有提案你要說明嗎好那個謝謝主席就是有關於那個沒宣費的部分那我這邊提到的是後來就是經過行政院說明我把它改成簡列678萬 |
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那主要是原來簡略的部分並不是說去年行政院是一毛錢都沒有事實上後來因為大家都記得行政院後來有追加預算那所以在沒宣費的部分那它事實上有追加了700多萬773萬 |
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那所以我把原來把它今年又增加的部分把它刪除但是呢我們也知道就是說我後來願意給它就是刪得比較少一些是希望行政院能夠在媒宣裡面能夠加強有關於消保跟食安的這樣的一個媒體宣傳 |
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那因為確實過去一年有很多的一些食安的問題那我想就說按照現在行政院的運作大家也知道那之前一直說有刪預算刪預算可是現在行政院運作也很正常那另外我們再增加一些預算再讓行政院增加他的這個就其他就有關於比較民生性的民生性的這個媒體宣傳 |
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另外我想在今天這個場合因為我們長期以來我在各部會的部分我非常重視媒體宣傳的部分行政院我也有去很仔細去看過目前就是說行政院它沒有太過集中的問題因為之前我有抓出很多單位那種集中程度實在是沒有辦法接受 |
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但是我想因為秘書長也在這裡因為昨天發生一個那個當然是勞動部的沒宣費勞動部的沒宣費不但集中而且常年集中在一家他的負責人事上涉及這個未成年性剝削的案件而且是被判決確定的因為那個案件實在是太離譜 |
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因為負責人的哥哥去引誘未成年的兒童出來事實上不但是引誘而且甚至有性侵而且年齡這次據媒體報導年齡甚至到只有3歲我覺得這種行為令人髮指 |
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他的哥哥做這樣的事情結果這個負責人把他哥哥做這些事情的影片拿來到網路上去販售負責人到網路上去販售我們的勞動部竟然連續將近10年都跟這個行銷公司合作全部加起來一共6000萬給這家公司 |
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所以我在這邊要特別提醒行政院我們各級部會他在做這個就是沒宣費第一個我們當然每個都說我都根據這個政府採購法但是他面臨碰到一個問題就是他有過度集中的問題這個我已經講過很多因為後來久而久之第一年有人來飆第二年有人來飆第三年已經沒有人來飆因為他知道你們這個部會就是專門鎖定綁一個媒體 |
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現在發生這個問題昨天勞動部事長是承認承認之後說這就是根據政府採購法又來了所以我覺得行政院未來對於各級政府的沒宣費它不能是很消極的有的是拿採購法來做保護傘有些就像勞動部這樣的一個採購 |
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我覺得這個不會是等到立委把他抓出來這一定也很長期因為老人們跟他的合作將近十年之久他不是一年兩年所以我也希望說 |
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這個行政院未來各級政府在媒體宣傳的標案上面要事實上不是第一個你不能過度集中不能夠特意在綁定根本就是在綁特定的媒體第二個你也不能夠長期的去縱容 |
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或者是奉任這樣的一個特定的 他不是媒體 他是行銷公司啊叫做什麼 什麼讚點子 我是不曉得他有多讚啊讓勞動部長期都是每年都要給他 給到現在 這很不合理啊而且非常非常離譜啊 我想對於行政院長期以來我們大家都覺得這個姓剝削 當然零容忍 不但零容忍 |
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他是之前 而且他判得很輕 好奇怪 他判得很輕啊好像才判幾年 反正就緩刑啊然後他就是長期在飆政府的飆案 靠政府的飆案在維生所以我想今天我們既然提到有關於媒體宣費第一個就是跟大家報告 我這邊是減滅678萬應該比那個 |
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我們那個歐小林委員少很多所以我覺得我是真的是比較有佛心來的但是呢我更在乎的是第一個不要再集中第二個就是我們在長期的合作的標案對象裡面不能放縱這樣 |
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好 那就麻煩張秘書長 |
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好我最後幾個案子來做這個跟委員報告跟說明首先跟高金委員報告那個謝謝委員把幾個案子改成主決議了那我就第一案的部分其實到今年的4月底那個原住民族綜合發展基金可用的現金還有29.3億那今年到年底的餘額大概是98.5億淨值會是32.7億當然我相信 |
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可能離委員想要的目標還有一段距離不過去年國庫撥補了51億今年撥補了61億我們會再考量財源的部分增加撥補讓發展基金的部分能夠財政更健全永續這個我們是做得到的 |
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那第二個委員提的第四案的部分在道路的部分確實這個是書前院長任內這個新增的一筆對原鄉道路的這個計畫那從書前院長核定之後每年都是1.7億那陳儒上次詢答的時候跟委員報告了今年因為財化法受到一些影響不過我上次我也有承諾委員行政院會全力支持原住民族人的相關的權益 |
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所以我回去之後我也請原民會在編列明年預算的時候提報1.7億那在接下來這個目前正在做概算的籌編跟審查的過程行政院會全力支持這個行政院會全力支持所以以上兩點報告希望委員能夠最好的話 建請改組決議那不然的話看要不要用書面報告就能夠來解凍因為我相信這些錢對原鄉來講都是很重要的事情這個是先跟高經委員報告的 |
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那第二個,在第十案的部分,剛剛翁小林委員的提案是要就這個案例案件不在不在好OK好沒有啦,那的案子啦還是我簽的啦是張偉簽的案子啊這個案子我覺得真的嗎?好 |
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好 關於幾個委員對 關於幾位委員剛剛有提到沒宣費的部分齁這個首先要謝謝那個張志文委員齁這個有先撤案了齁那這個幾個委員剛剛所刪減的數量也不大一樣但我不需這個 |
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剛剛王委員跟高金委員講法確實有點不同有人覺得行政院沒有錢這個效益也不錯有人覺得看不出效益但我必須報告行政院新聞局在2012年5月20號裁撤裁撤之後也就是說行政院新傳處是在2013年出現在行政院院本部的預算上面 |
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那2013年這個新傳輸的預算是9,466萬那當年的沒宣費總共是4,734萬元那今年是1,678萬元 |
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2013年那個時候中央政府總預算的規模是1.9兆那今年已經突破3兆了所以沒宣費確實一路以來都有其必要性那我也跟大家補充報告2013年那個時候行政院發言人名字叫做鄭麗文 |
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名字叫做鄭麗文所以鄭麗文主席在2013年擔任行政院發言人的時候他手上的門選會是4734萬元而當年這張政府總預算是1.9兆今年是超過3兆所以行政院也沒有編得比較多我想這個拿十幾年前的時空跟現在比我想應該是可以公平 |
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那第二個這個王宏偉委員剛剛提到的這個行政院應該把沒宣費放在這個所謂的消保或者是等等的宣傳我是很認同的齁不只是消保那打炸這個打毒價反毒的宣傳行政院也會當作今年的重點來加強宣傳那所以也希望這個委員能夠支持齁那第三個剛剛王委員提到關於勞動部的案件齁那行政院立場很簡單如果有違反相關法令該怎麼辦就怎麼辦齁 |
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那因為幾位委員提案的內容數量不太一樣所以我建請這個委員們能夠保留送草擬協商以上說明所以秘書長建議除主決意外全部都送草擬協商 |
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那大家如果沒有再同意的話抱歉 召委我回應一下剛剛梅軒的部分送草野賞我沒有意見那秘書長對於原住民的基金撥補跟養護的部分你也是要送草野賞嗎 |
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還是你在這裡就可以有什麼樣的會議您剛剛講的一個基金的撥補你說補了50億很抱歉那個是淨值的部分而且那是淨法補償他不是現金好不好我們現在所講的而且我一直跟你講園民會如果不是需要園民會是你們行政團隊之一他們如果沒有需要他們也不敢行文給你們也不願意行文給你們 |
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現在卓院長跟張秘書長 哇你們的威嚴多大你們的媒體宣傳多大 效應多大他們整感啊 但是他願意他希望博博就是希望行政院能夠幫忙一下原因我剛剛講到我們這個基金它是有關卓源的我相信你比我應該清楚 |
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貸款產業就業跟長期發展這些東西都是每年必須要做的你說等到他的錢沒有了你們再撥補一部分去請問一下有一些計畫是常年要做的行政團隊能夠允許你們這麼做嗎 |
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所以我希望張秘書長這個預算真的更何況我們在一百一十三年的時候就已經做過主決議了這個主決議就是希望你們能夠在三年平均來攤補 |
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多補希望你們三年之內可是你們並沒有啊23億對一個行政院你剛剛講的每年我們的預算已經三兆多了他真的實在是九牛一毛毛都不到零點幾而已我覺得行政院你們一直不斷的在說你們對原住民的政策方案非常的尤其是民進黨啦以前國民黨可能離我們有點遙遠但是民進黨以前是跟原住民手牽手 |
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衝破戒嚴的我們算是你們的朋友你們應該最了解我們的痛苦不管是政策上面不管是法案上面不管是預算上面我覺得行政院都不應該對原民會你們自己的行政團隊這麼樣的壓榨而且真的沒有多少的預算 |
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剛剛講到養護的經費如果你的養護經費你同意明年你們行政院團隊一樣是撥給園民會那麼我們就可以討論如果今天不解決這個問題我覺得我還是沒有辦法同意 |
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為了我的族人的權益這兩大項都是非常重要的這個沒有政治的因素也沒有個人喜好的因素而是族人真的需要這個部分我就會特別的堅持以上跟藝術長說明 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告那個道路養護的1.7億既然是我要求原民會在明年概算編上來的我就會全力支持上次我也在答詢的時候有回應過了那第二個關於基金的部分這個剛剛委員提到的確實啊這個撥補進去的錢很多是主要是放在進法補償的部分那主要的原因也是因為進法補償 |
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的費用從三萬提高到六萬那我也可以這個明確的承諾說這個可以撥補的費用我們會逐年的提高那明年我也請原民會這邊再多提高費用我們也會支持所以在兩個部分我們都行政院都會全力支持的狀況之下還是希望委員能夠這個就本來要專案報告的部分看能不能夠改組決議或者書面報告的方式 |
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持續的支持原民族人的權利這個我上次已經承諾過了我也不會改變以上補充很抱歉這個部分我覺得你也沒有明確的說我剛才一直在講了113年總預算組決議就說三年要平均攤補每一年至少23億這個你們都不能做到嗎它是立法院裡面的組決議 |
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各位我們報告 這個我們還是得視整體啦得視整體財政狀況 那我也會跟議員會商量對不起移民組長我不接受 最後再給我一點時間計劃補償10年前是3萬 10年後是6萬那這個是立法院的這個立法同意 通過的當時行政院只願意給4萬後來是因為凍結了你們整個總預算你們終於要把2萬塊補回來了 |
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所以我一直認為就是立法院裡面通過的法律案它等同法律那行政院當時還不編列預算這個最後當然我們大家的講道理最後行政院也同意了但是問題是這個六萬塊並沒有真正的是在園民會的預算裡面你們另外兩萬是要給的所以現在才會出現這樣的問題那你不能夠 |
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把這個因為增加到了六萬塊財政行政院的財政就不行了我覺得這個兩萬塊我還是一直講我們預算裡面的三兆裡面的零點零幾而且我們把它提高預算他跟那個 |
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水稻休耕還沒有那麼多錢水稻休耕是一公頃7萬我們才6萬意思是一樣的而且更有空淨法補償是來保障所有台灣人的水的安全空氣的清淨 |
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那你讓人家的土地不能夠使用你當然應該要給人家補償啊怎麼會有這麼二百的政府不給補償呢好不容易立法院通過了那卻不補然後你們卻告訴我現在財政的問題這個是我們不能夠接受的所以這個部分還請詹秘書長你們思考一下謝謝 |
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好 我的建議是這樣 看有人是否同意第一個 這個禁法補償行政院當然是有補就第四案的部分 如果有人同意的話看是否能夠改組決議因為我已經很明確具體的承諾了那第一案的部分 我也是承諾說我們行政院會持續增加撥補那如果有人仍然不同意的話是不是就保留送超越協商 |
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好那就不要浪費大家的時間第一案我們就保留才有協商那第四案的部分明確的文字或者是說明能請張秘書長再說明一次嗎我們把它文字具體文字化好不好謝謝就如果委員同意第四案改組決議的話是否能夠就這個提案的倒數第二段 |
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考量原鄉道路養護具有高度公共利益及必要性請行政院研議檢討現行經費配置恢復合理預算規模並建立穩定且可持續之原鄉道路養護財源機制以保障原住民族地區交通安全及基本生活條件那 |
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看後面是不是後續穩定編列機關及執行規劃向內政委員會提書面報告後始的動之這樣子或者是如果要改組決議的話,後面那段就可以不要了 |
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所以我原文的文字是請你們恢復這個養護經費的方案你對於這樣的文字是有意見的嗎我對 就是說如果要改組決議的話最後一段可能就可以不要了那倒數第二段的話這個我沒有堅持可以留原文的文字沒有關係 |
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好不好我覺得請一個那個行政團隊來幫忙一下我希望就是能夠把原住民地區部落聯絡道路養護經費要恢復他看怎麼樣放在我的那個文字上面好嗎我覺得明確還是講這樣子比較有一個保障 |
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倒數第二段有啦倒數第二段有是不是就是原住民族地區部落連日道路養護經費恢復對恢復合理預算規模這樣恢復合理預算規模時間寫1.7億可以嗎合理的規模這樣子好像有點模糊還是恢復原預算規模原預算規模這樣我同意麻煩改一下文字謝謝 |
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好 那你們簽一下喔 等一下再回過頭來宣讀齁好 那我們就先進行第一幕一般行政好 有張宏祿委員 張日文委員 翁曉琳委員喔那志榮委員有要說明嗎 |
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謝謝主席我針對一般行政首長特別費凍結450萬基本上來講是全凍為什麼要全凍因為本席非常傷心因為行政院長跟秘書長兩個人互相打架說的不一樣為什麼 |
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因為大家現在我相信每一位委員對詐騙都深惡痛絕每一年被詐騙的民眾的財損也高達上千億那經過很多司法判決等等相關的結束以後我們第一個發現不僅這個被害人的財損金額沒有辦法拿回來以外 |
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甚至我們的國庫每年經過司法判決以後我們國庫還把受害人的財損的金額沒入國庫一年的金額就本席所了解高達30億所以本席在每年召開的打詐供聽會都覺得說再加強調說民眾被詐騙的財損金額不能沒入到國庫 |
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應該要想辦法來去針對未來不管是打詐或成立基金或是返還給被害人的機制應該要來處理結果打詐辦公室在當天在去年的114年的這個公聽會其實明確已經承諾而且是自己提出來說這個錢這個民眾採取的錢每年三四十億 |
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不應該沒入國庫應該成立基金在今年的3月27號本席在質詢總管和院長的時候那院長也承諾說會再演繹如何來處理不過因為端海秘書長那天在質詢的時候只回答我說因為現在因為打炸條例過了以後 |
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這個被害人跟這個詐騙人有一個這個要協調機制如果可以協調完了以後可以返回這個財損的金額可是跟本席所提出來每年政府沒入這個被害人的財損的三四十億的金額完全沒有回答到本席的問題就把我的問題給否決了也否決到當時行政院長所承諾的所以今天我不得已必須要 |
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請行政院這邊針對相關的議題應該要講出一個明確的方案不能再把這個沒入的錢每年三四十一沒入國庫你要如何用就如何用根本就沒有用在打砸的內容裡面所以本席非常不能接受所以今天提出凍結450萬以上洪路委員有要說明嗎還是先讓翁委員 |
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剛剛上面的我還沒宣讀我們先進行第十四案你的第十四案還要不要說明一下 |
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好的針對第14案是行政院他們本席所提的第14案主要是針對發言人的特別費那麼這次行政院他在115年度他編列了26萬400元的發言人特別費那本席在這裡提出的是全部予以刪除主要的理由是因為預算法第62條裡面有談到 |
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特別費是供機關首長或者是特定職務的人員因為職務的特殊性執行公務時必須要因應臨時性不可預見性或社交性的開支之用可是發言人他不是機關首長那麼他本身也不具有獨立裁量或對外接待的權限 |
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他的職務主要就是新聞政策的對於行政院一些政策的說明新聞發布跟媒體溝通這根本就不需要有特職費所以我也不了解為什麼發言人需要編列這個特別費那麼當然行政院給我的說明是說發言人仍然是必須要這個這個類似交際應酬啦要這個 |
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買什麼禮物要給員工等等可是本席認為說這個發言人特別費他不是一個必要性的支出更何況需要如果說按照這個標準的話其實行政院需要編列特別費的官員太多了那麼最不需要的應該就是發言人所以本席這邊提出就是要刪除發言人特別費26萬全數刪除 |
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好那就麻煩張秘書長好第一個先回覆張志文委員謝謝委員確實齁這個我跟卓院長並沒有互相打臉的狀況齁如果能夠讓這個末路的錢能夠法制化能夠常態化的處理是一個共同的目標齁 |
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但像上次答詢的時候有所講的沒入國庫的裁員他畢竟不算穩定這是第一個那第二個這個依照財政紀律法第七條第八條的規定新設基金應該具備政府計的收入或者是國庫撥補以外的氏族的裁員所以如何讓這個裁員更穩定成立一個基金我們必須審慎的研議我們會朝這個方向進行 |
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那如果委員同意的話是否能夠讓行政院提出書面報告後來解凍讓委員同意那第二個我回應一下翁小林委員的部分我必須跟委員大家 委員剛剛可能暫時離開這個現場 |
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行政院新聞局在2012年的520裁撤之後這個改設行傳處跟行政院發言人行政院發言人的特別費第一次出現在政府預算書裡面是2014年而那時候的發言人叫做鄭麗文是他奠定的一個制度從鄭麗文發言人到現在每一年都是一樣的數字沒有改變過所以我希望委員能夠撤案以上說明 |
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少講到那當時的預算是一兆多我現在就好我先回來剛剛第一項因為剛剛主決議簽完了現在做宣告行政院稅務處部分第一項1至11案其中第9案撤案 |
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二至五項以及第十一項改於組決議其餘提案保留送協商處理OK如果沒有錯誤的話那就通過那第一幕一般行政等一下等一下 |
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我還要再問一下好 還是要謝謝我們剛剛張秘書長的回覆可是因為您還是照回應還是跟上次質詢的內容一模一樣那我是不是先可以請教我們行政院這邊每年民眾的財損您的等一下就是不跟第一項有關係嗎第一項我就確認了我們現在要講第一項那第一項確認之後那我們就沒關係 |
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大家沒有異議就照剛才的宣讀通過那請自聯委員再補充說明第一幕您的提案部分好我要事先謝謝我們張秘書長剛剛的回應不過針對剛剛的回應您還是像上一次質詢的內容回覆的一樣沒有 |
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更新的說法那我是不是先可以請您回覆到底現在我們政府的國庫從過去我們這麼多年以來到底每年沒入民眾的財損金額到底現在是不是贏高達百億的金額那這些錢到底用在哪裡不能就是民眾的財損政府不是詐騙集團為什麼人民被詐騙的錢會沒入國庫那這些錢花在哪裡所以那這樣子我們民眾未來 |
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這個炸的問題還是這麼多所以是不是請秘書長我當然不需要說去凍結你們的特別費可是你們要有一個具體的做法因為我已經質詢完那麼久的時間了我的堅持就是民眾被詐騙的錢就連一毛錢都不能進入國庫應該要有一個合理的運用的一個方式跟機制讓這些被害人給被害人一個交代是不是請秘書長還是我們各辦公室有沒有人可以回應一下 謝謝 |
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具體的數字我手上沒有,打炸彈不知道有沒有,可以說明一下 |
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我覺得像這個張志文委員他說的也不是沒有道理張志文委員講的不是在金額的多少只是這筆錢是被詐騙被沒入了你到國庫裡面如何使用大家也不知道我覺得這個也是我可以討論的問題 |
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那我也覺得說這個行政院你們是不是給你們時間像這一種的錢你未來是不是沒入國庫之後你基金也好或是專款專業你這些錢再來宣導反詐騙或什麼我相信張志倫委員都沒意見他只是要知道這筆錢怎麼用而已那我覺得是不是我們比如說給他個 |
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幾個月的時間或什麼他們給我們一個完整的一個報告看怎麼做如果張委員你這樣你也同意的話我是建議這樣你可以吧張委員如果這樣的話可以 |
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紅綠委員是不是可以請打詐辦先這個我剛剛看的資料從110年到現在末路的錢大概48億多那我也認同剛剛紅綠委員跟張志榮委員所講的這個末路的錢要嘛就是還給當事人要嘛拿去做打詐相關的工作所以是不是請委員跟委員會給行政院一點時間提書面資料讓委員來參佐 |
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方向上我覺得大家方向是一致的,但是你看這48億到底要怎麼歸還給這些被害人,這個是大事情但是用在打車上這也是一個方向,但是我覺得這個方向上大家是一致的,讓行政院可以提出一個合理的報告,然後大家來做討論這樣子 |
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所以我具體建議這樣子,因為12案跟13案都是凍結張志文委員,我們兩案,因為14案是簡略,等一下來說我們兩案,我們併案處理,你覺得凍結? |
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我的五十萬啦 這次讓我啊但你們兩個的一個月我不知道他們弄不弄得出來喔如果說大方不是啦 這個也不是開玩笑我覺得五十 如果一個月我認為他們大方向應該可以出來但細節我可能沒那麼快 這個我也必須 |
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一個月大方向先出來啦如果確定我們講的一個月大方向先出來這我也覺得OK啦那我們就兩岸我們兩個兩岸併岸凍結50萬那你們是凍結在一般行政還是在特別費的事項第一幕啊但你第一幕的話是一般行政一般行政啦那就不是在特別費的方價內我要跟張志倫委員確認一下 |
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抱歉一下招來我想請問一下 對不起大方校不是已經講說把這筆錢放在打雜已經訂了嗎然後細節其實呢打雜的部分你們要做些什麼事情應該都有做到為什麼需要這麼長的時間呢不好意思這是我的建議或者是請打雜辦公室來說明一下你們平常在做什麼事情啊 |
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對啊 那如果要把這筆錢放在那邊也不就是你們現在要做的事情嗎為什麼還要等那麼久的時間不好意思喔 謝謝我先講一下我覺得剛剛張志文委員講的是非常非常合理啊那我們現在有這麼多被詐騙的民眾那他有損失有很多你追不回來就算了 |
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但是你都已經把他追回來了然後追回來之後都沒有還給這些被詐騙的民眾結果呢又放到你的國庫當成你的小金庫然後你愛怎麼用就怎麼用好那現在說好沒關係我們大方向我們大方向又來說打詐 |
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那打架不就是政府現在該做的事嗎那我們現在所有的預算你說你看現在這個只要是打詐預算不都霸王預算嗎我們都覺得說喔都很合理通通都有編給你那你現在把這個被詐騙金額追回來說我再來打詐 |
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那請問一下那被詐騙的民眾他是活該倒楣嗎所以我剛剛要講就是說剛剛講那個大方向我覺得不大合理那個方向就應該如同張志倫委員所說的今天我們政府如果能夠幫我們受詐騙民眾追回來一些錢 |
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那我覺得本來就是這樣子啊你欠錢就要還錢怎麼最後變成是政府收這筆錢那你對於這些詐騙民眾不是二次傷害嗎這不是二次傷害嗎所以我覺得這個方向不應該是說我再給我政府再來打仗我覺得應該這個方向是說你們要去研究怎麼樣去還給讓這些受詐騙的民眾能夠拿回這些損失 |
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對不對這樣才合理嘛好不好應該要做這樣的承諾啦來來來這個可能剛大家聽的這個我剛說要給他們的大方向就是要把錢還給 |
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受害者有一些如果沒有辦法還的那個部分你沒入國庫的那部分他們也應該用一個專款或是怎麼樣他們去處理所以我剛才說可能要給他們一點時間去如何去處理我們的大方向是該還的要先還然後有一些沒有辦法沒有辦法還的這一個部分 |
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你不能就留到國庫我們也不知道到底怎麼做這個也不對我們剛剛的說法是這樣所以我們才說要給他們來時間來處理如果秘書長你說一個月可以做到這樣的話大方向出來一些小細節什麼的如果一個月可以我也同意他一個月越快越好 |
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建議委員這樣看,委員是不是同意?一個月行政院先提書面報告,如果委員覺得還需要補充,我們就繼續提,這樣可以嗎? |
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不是啦,一個月就是剛剛講的那兩個大方向你至少順便報告以後,我們要朝著這個可以做了,朝這個方向來做我覺得這個很具體的,我覺得也應該做啦所以如果一個月可以的話,我們是不是就這樣處理,如果他們可以承諾一個月 |
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那是不是我們張秘書長各位我們是不是照一個月提出書面報告那朝著就是返還被害人財損的這個目標來去做檢討秘書長這樣可以嗎可以我們就一個月如果有人覺得還需要再補充我們就繼續提供資料我可以對不起我補充一下就問一下您剛說的48月是只有今年嗎還是110年到現在110到現在是不是好謝謝 |
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好 那就凍結然後這個書面報告後 使得凍資一個月嘛 50萬所以跟志永委員確認一下你是要凍在一般行政11億這個框架下還是特別費這個框架下 |
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我剛剛的建議就是說就是我們兩個併案然後我們就在一般行政反正他們也已經同意了啦特別費我們就除非有你知道除非有特別的意見好不好 |
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我們兩岸併岸處理然後各動25萬,兩岸併岸處理總共50萬好不好就這樣 |
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所以五十萬裡面有二十五萬在特別配這樣第一案動二十五、十二案動二十五、十三案動二十五、十四案動二十五十四保留這樣因為螢幕處理啊 整幕處理啊因為你還有十四案還沒處理那你這樣要怎麼宣告 |
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就是第一幕裡面十二案跟十三案並案處理各動 各動好 那十四案就保留這樣那麼針對第十四案的話 |
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保留學商因為我堅持就是全山他去年的這個媒體發言人的這個去年發言人的特別費也是全山不要再講這個N年以前的事情民主要進步你們民進黨執政之後有進步嗎制度不對要修改所以我們進步就從今天開始發言人特別費全山就是進步的象徵好沒關係我們有決議我來宣讀好第一幕一般行政 |
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第十二案及第十三案並案凍結五十萬元然後分別凍二十五萬元然後經一個月內書面報告獲取的凍資第十四案保留送協商OK這樣子的宣告請問有無異議沒有好那通過好那我們現在進行第二幕施政及法制業務 |
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我們請提案委員是否要說明王洪威委員好謝謝主席那在這個我們行政院施政及法治業務來說那當然施政法治業務是很重要但是那 |
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從去年以來就是尤其我們為什麼像今年為什麼預算會拖到現在我想行政院也心知肚明雖然我們現在看到從總統到這個行政院長到各個場合都來批評說立法院到現在還在審預算但是 |
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但是這也是今年度出現了破天荒這真的是空前破天荒立法院所通過的法律案而且行政院是有附屬 |
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而且總統府還公告實施我這邊還沒有講說不附屬的案件是已經行政院附屬總統公告實施的法律但是在我們的年度預算裡面拒絕編列那這裡面當然就是我們所熟知的包含警察人員的人事條例 |
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還有軍人待遇的提高這都是過去從來沒有讓大家瞠目結舌這也是一個法律的負面教材所以今天如果行政院還在說這個施政法制業務還要編這麼多的預算那我不曉得這些預算到底執行到哪裡去了那如果你今天行政院都不守法那個編列預算也不守法 |
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那我們如何去支持這筆預算呢所以在這邊跟主席跟各位委員報告我在這邊是他們今年度這個科目施政及法制業務是1437萬編列1437萬那我在這邊簡列718萬5千元簡列一半主要我覺得我們必須要去回應在去年 |
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度我們立法院所通過的報告而今年沒有辦法在這個年度預算裡面新政院沒有依法編列所以以上跟大家報告那這一點我是蠻堅持的謝謝 |
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在這個第二幕施政跟法治業務上面的第17跟18案第18案我先說好了選舉的部分的權益的部分我這邊同意改組決議但是呢在第17案裡面對於關於原住民的自治土海原保條例這些法案沒有具體的期程跟進度這個部分我還是堅持凍結200萬 |
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那麼我不需要再說明一下早在6月4號的時候內政我們有開一個公聽會對於原住民的自治土海跟幾個權益的法案的部分呢有非常多的原鄉裡面的前原民會的主委還有原鄉的一些原運前輩包括所謂的自治四半的十個部落的族人包括盧凱族包括布農族幾位 |
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他們都有來他們雖然已經變成事辦的這個所謂法案的這個退落但是他們還是提出來原住民的自治是絕對要的所以在6月4號的那天的公聽會如果張秘書長願意看一下內容我們也可以提 |
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請張秘書長回去看一下這場的來了非常多的專家學者我剛講過前原民會主委也來了兩三位副主委也來了兩三位包括部落裡面的這些事辦的部落的主席其實都來了大家的方向都非常的一致也就是從原令開始一直在講原住民的自治一直到原住民的屠海法 |
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在立法院其實已經五進五出四次送審了雖然行政院裡面有說已經有提出了但是大家都知道據其不敘審 |
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的部分所以我們希望行政院這個部分趕快提出您的版本當然行政院不提版本有我們委員的版本我們也可以來審排審但是我們就希望行政院你們可以要用你們的態度 |
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因為我還是要再說明一下以前原住民的族人們元明的時候跟我們的民進黨的前輩們我們手牽手我們當時原住民的權益從以前就一直在講原住民的字字那一直到現在國民黨執政結束了民進黨裡面執政的也已經這麼多年了有換了阿扁總統小英總統現在是賴總統了 |
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我們希望對原住民的承諾能夠實現那個就是原住民族的自治還有土海法這兩個部分希望行政院能夠來表示一下你們的態度還有另外這個部分你們是交給哪一位這個行政 |
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對 政委來負責因為到目前為止我們好像還沒聽到是哪一個政委在負責所以一直以來都沒有進度所以這個部分如果在今天張秘書長沒有一個很好的回應我就堅持要動200萬然後要專案報告那如果張秘書長今天有一個回應有一個期程當然我們就可以來討論 謝謝好 我們張志倫委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們必須還是要說最近這個我們這兩年我們公部門這個職場霸凌的頻傳那我們必須還是要說明一下最近大家可以看到這個顏惠欣這個案件這個霸凌案調查結果針對楊真寧做出免職的處分 |
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那當然目前大家可以看到現在這個楊真理已經公開表示不服調查結果質疑調查程序而且不排除以司法途徑來去做救濟那也內部也有一些經貿辦公室的同仁公開發表聲明表達對調查結果不同的看法 |
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那本席在這邊不是要評論到底個案誰對誰錯而是關心行政院這份調查結果是否有具備足夠的程序跟公信力因為這個調查報告其實已經花了三個月是最長的一個報告那我要請教行政院的部分在當事人質疑程序不公內部機關又有不同意見的時候行政院是不是要檢討說你們的調查程序是否可以讓各方信服 |
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就是說也要請教行政院去思考這個事件只是楊貞妮一個人的責任嗎那是不是還有其他人應該要負相關的一個責任管理跟督導機制有沒有存在漏洞所以我本席要幫所有的公務人員報不平在2025年其實中央跟地方的公務人員的缺額已經攀升了超過百分之十到達百分之十三不管人力不足業務加重 |
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一直形成高壓霸凌的這些問題連行政院經貿辦公室今天最近的調查報告也被認定為霸凌成立如果連最高的行政機關都沒有辦法以身作則我們政府到底要怎麼樣來要求不管是我們公務員員或是企業來職場友善那請行政院這邊應該提出一個具體的做法來回應大家的心聲 謝謝 |
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好 網紅委員要補充發言好 主席還有各位委員因為剛才張作英委員所提到的問題其實非常嚴重因為最近我們在談到就說有關職場霸凌的事件那當然我們的這個經貿談判副總代表顏慧欣女士她在她過世之後由她的家人來發出這樣一個沉痛悲痛的在被職場霸凌這是讓我們覺得這個社會大眾一定必須要正視的事情 |
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這兩天第一個行政院的處理慢半拍而且調查結果拖得非常非常的長 |
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那第三個其實在調查結果出來之後也並沒有按照相關的法律程序立刻予以懲處那麼後來可能是想要想要用這個讓楊珍妮自行請辭的方式但是現在也可以看到楊珍妮對於這樣的結果事實上是拒不接受而且她現在要採取法律行動 |
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那另外昨天因為我覺得有一個發展這是讓我們覺得這個行政院必須要提出一些說明那你們未來要怎麼處理就是在昨天我們看到經貿辦公室大概有30多個多個員工他們用具名的方式發出聲明當然主要的聲明是幫楊珍妮喊冤這30多個大概在經貿辦公室已經有七成之多 |
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好那這個就顯示出確實在調查的過程裡面楊珍妮其中一個她所身邊的其中一個爭點就是說你沒有就是說這個調查小組你可能沒有把很適當的問到相關的人 |
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因為如果今天整個調查小組它的過程是比較周詳的話我想就不會出現這個什麼經貿辦有這個30多位的同仁一起幫楊真理申冤那因為尤其像以現在來講我們台美關稅貿易談判事實上都還沒有結束那未來其實經貿辦公室的責任會越來越大 |
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第一個 見外界關心楊珍妮去職之後由誰來帶領經貿辦公室老實說我們甚至都已經貼到一些內部可能都已經第一個人心浮動而且某個程度也認為楊珍妮這個霸凌事件甚至裡面有一些在人事的爭取甚至有人跟我用內鬥兩個字來做形容 |
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但是呢基本上第一我們雖然尊重調查小組的調查結果但是到目前為止顯然這件事情芳心未艾顯然這件事情並沒有劃上終點除了楊正宜自己本身不接受而且要採取法律行動然後顯然你現在看到經貿辦公室的同仁很多多數 |
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支持楊哲寧而且質疑在調查小組裡面在調查過程並沒有去他們並沒有被約談他們並沒有被徵詢那這裡面這個過程我看到時候就會有一些疑義喔那而且我們也擔心會影響未來整個的經貿辦的一個運作所以我想也請秘書長趁今天這樣的一個 |
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機會能夠針對這個楊甄寧以職場霸凌的事件能不能也做一個說明現在我們行政院的立場是什麼然後對於經貿辦公室你們是不是要採取一些再去做了解至少我們不要再看到就是說這個事件之後人心浮動的一個狀況以上 |
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是 我也針對這個議題 我也想要好 你也有26號 沒關係 就一併一併發言那麼 順著剛剛王宏威委員的發言那我想要也請這個行政院秘書長再進一步的說明到底卓榮泰現在所發布的楊真尼政委停職是代表什麼意思這是一個政治性的停職 短暫的停職還是說 |
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這個就相當於免職因為我們知道停職的概念就是公務人員常任文官才有的所謂的停職對於政務人員來講只有任免要不然就是免職那現在搞了一個停職這讓人家覺得很奇怪這讓我就回想到之前的監察院秘書長李俊逸同樣的他濫用公務車然後送狗去美容 |
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結果搞了半天他辭職之後呢就沒有這個接下來就沒有後續的懲戒懲處的這樣的一個處分那麼所以對於楊真宜的現在的停職案接下來行政院會把他送懲戒嗎請秘書長一併回應26案的部分呢是針對 |
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判員出國計劃其實在114年這筆錢當時是預算是零就是那時候應該也是被刪除了那今年行政院他提了115年的施政及法治業務下的這個出國考察有五項計劃可是本席看了這五項計劃也發現 |
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這些內容基本上與行政院的施政及法治業務的核心職長並沒有直接相關譬如說要去泰國考察什麼文創事業然後去日本去考察他們的人行步道 |
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等等那麼這些部分其實是可以由文化部或是人事行政總署觀光署他們有相關的主管機關去考察就可以了所以對於行政院所編列的這些出國考察計畫我認為沒有必要更何況 |
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省纪部历年来也指出很多的这个出国考察计划它就流于公关性质成效不彰那么就是变成考察就是旅游那在行政院现在就是把自己的本业做好就好了这些出国考察而且跟其他机关有关的这些内容我认为说不需要浪费国家的公帑然后再去进行出国考察所以在这里的话就提出删除68万以上 |
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提案的部分我先說明然後再來跟大家報告這個OTN的調查事件那第一個後面提的我先報告第26案委員所提的部分可能委員比較沒有時間那個行政院院本部的預算書第100頁出國的計畫這120萬的出國計畫不只這五個還包括其他三個國際會議那也跟委員報告 |
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我是看了這五個特別有問題所以我才刪了一半我不是說全部刪簡單說啦齁總共八個計畫八個人次六十五天齁平均每人每天也只有2307塊而已啦齁所以應該沒有這個不服時便列的問題齁那如果委員很堅持的話這個我是建議說最後這個送草也協商這樣子啦齁 |
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保留宋朝也協商第二個就第十七案高堅委員所提的部分確實剛剛委員所說的原住民自治法無進無出後面包括浦海法包括保留地區管理運用條例也提了大概四次左右 |
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就我所了解確實部落之間仍然有歧義我目前已經請陳時中政委因為他是獨島的政委請陳時中政委召集相關的部會跟部落相關的團體再做進一步的討論看什麼時候 |
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大家比較有共識的時候能夠再提出法案這個我必須強調行政院如果沒有這個一樣的原則跟方向的話之前也不會這麼多數提出法案那重點還是在於整合大家的意見那我們都希望這個原住民自治這個喬惠委員也在這邊原住民自治這一定是我們的方向要往前走的那希望委員可以讓我們提書面報告讓委員知道說未來的進度那再來終於動之 |
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那在第十五案王洪瑞委員所提的部分呢跟委員報告這個確實警察人員人事條例跟軍人待遇條例的部分目前行政院這個已經提出釋憲了但在4月15號這個 |
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立法院韓院長所主持的朝野協商要把總預算附委的這個協議當中也有提說請行政院六個月內把相關的這個配套的方案提出來這個向立法院報告所以我想我們目前也很緊鑼密鼓的在討論這個方向那委員如果很堅持的話我也是很我也是建議說保留送朝野協商那最後我來報告一下這個關於OTM案的部分第一個我先回覆歐英小林委員 |
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綜合人員只有去跟留那所有的程序都在進行當中這個程序完成了就會公布這是第一個那第二個我必須強調這次的調查報告總共約談了31人次兩份書面資料一位訪談人是用電話受訪皆依法有錄音有筆錄可循 |
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那也因此這個耗費了三個月的時間來完成這個調查報告那我當然也看到這個OTN的同仁昨天有發出那個聲明那在行政院上禮拜所公布的調查報告當中 |
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也明確的揭露訪談的人員對於楊貞妮政委的言行無論是對會心也好對OTN的同仁也好正反看法不一那昨天OTN同仁部分同仁發出的聲明也就剛好證明了這個調查報告說言屬實 |
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那在行政院所公開的調查報告當中也明確的揭露OTN的同仁對於楊貞妮政委的管理風格評價兩極所以我想我們的調查報告絕對是經得起檢驗的至於歐委員提到要不要把楊貞妮政委送監察院其實監察院在行政院組成調查小組後沒多久 |
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可能不到兩天監察院已經啟動調查了而這個過程當中除了行政院在做行政院調查之外行政院也配合監察院進行調查所以監察院已經在進行調查了那最後要報告的是這個楊哲寧政府他身為當事人他當然有權利用各種方式來做後續的程序那行政院也會尊重那我最後我必須說這個調查報告是經由外部委員 |
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花了三個月的時間訪談了31人次那有兩份熟練資料一份一個是這個電話的訪談做得非常非常完整詳盡然後公正的報告那依據這個案例辦法這個行政院尊重而且接受這個調查報告那相關的後續的處理行政院也在進行 以上說明 |
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因為張宏祿委員這邊也有一個凍結案綜合以上如果包含王偉委員、翁曉琳委員、張志倫委員 |
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高金素梅委員可以接受剛剛張敦海秘書長的說明的話我們如果可以朝向這個凍結一定的程度讓他做說明報告來使得動之的話那我們是不是可以併案來做這個討論至於第26案的這個翁曉琳委員他如果堅持的話我們就保留做協商 謝謝剛剛洪輝委員也說蠻堅持的他的金額是最大15萬嘛對啊 |
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因為你的金額最大,如果你堅持保留協商的話好,好那民主黨剛剛解釋的就是說包含警察人員這個其實韓院長4月15號赴委的時候已經有做出一個結論所以還在這個過程裡面,但是這個我們還是尊重黃文維委員,如果說你要堅持的話那我們就保留送協商好,那我在這邊,我在這邊宣告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
6397.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
第二幕施政及法治業務第十六案十八、十九、二十五案改組決議 |
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6399.355 |
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其餘提案保留送協商處理以上如果沒有異議的話就通過好謝謝那抱歉我剛剛還是要回應一下秘書長有說因為部落的意見不同這個部分我們一直以來長期以來都是聽到部落意見不同那行政院事實上以前都有版本進來 |
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我可不可以了解一下你們所謂的意見不同是哪幾條意見不同哪幾個部落意見不同不能夠講意見不同然後就作為你們行政院不送出版本的這個理由好不好如果你們能夠下次協商的時候也把這個提出來我想也比較有依據因為我們一直提到的事就是聽到的是意見不合 |
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那其實呢 原民那麼大 族群那麼多你要總和所有族人的意見在推這個法案 是不可能會通過的所以呢 所謂的意見不同 其實是我在此時此刻 我還是沒有辦法接受您的說法 好嗎 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
6471.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
那我們第三幕施政推展聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
6500.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
6502.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
那請提案委員歐夏琳委員要說明嗎好 那麼有關於這個第29案呢是針對行政院他所編列的機要費喔那麼這個機要費他們去年是編了三百去年是編了315萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
6551.908 |
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那麼今年就是又成長了成長多了300萬到615萬那麼本席還是秉持一貫的原則就是機要費它本來就是屬於這種犒賞獎助慰問接待證理的支出它不是屬於業務執行的必要項目所以基於經費要尊潔使用因此我提案減列九成就是3-553萬 |
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那麼而且這個剩下這一層的機要費是不可以留用的好 以上好 要說明嗎 還是這一把就好我先說明一下 跟委員報告去年只編300多萬是因為被砍了一半啦所以我們今年這個615萬其實是回編過去的這個額度啦那這筆預算跟這個計畫主要是用在院長視察 |
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6601.193 |
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慰問、犒賞,比如說警察同仁、警消包括海巡這些各地視察的慰問的費用或者是社會文人的婚喪喜慶的部分所以還是希望委員能夠支持如果委員很堅持的話,我建議是保留送協商 |
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6603.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
6630.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
院長如果真的是關心我們的警消這個員警這些同仁的話就趕快把這個退休警消員工的所得替代率提高的預算儘速編列如果他真的是有關心關照我們軍人弟兄的話立法院通過的軍人加緊三萬元的預算趕快編 |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
6648.748 |
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不用口惠而食不至用這個小小的機要費去做什麼慰問犒賞院長真的有心用自己的薪水支付就好了是不是對更何況院長基本上他就是 |
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6662.682 |
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他沒有那個心事要去真的照顧這個軍警消援工等等這些同仁那麼所以刪除這筆紀要費我覺得很合理 |
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志倫你要講嗎好不好意思謝謝主席剛剛聽到警察因為我們剛好也在我們也是內政委員會其實警察們都一直在請問我們也在拜託行政院那個深夜加急的部分尤其是這個被請的人員有些很多警察執行完以後回到我們分局被請的所有的深夜加急 |
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其實也是非常的辛苦啊所以我不知道行政院為什麼還在遲遲考量什麼點一直這個部分沒有辦法來核准所以我要幫辛苦的警察人員說一句話那是不是行政院到底在研議什麼方向是不是可以說明一下如果沒有在研議太多的話是不是可以盡快的核准謝謝好 麻煩蘇喬克委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
6739.144 |
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6766.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
這個在這個極端氣候之下我們的這種防熱這個避暑的這種裝置裝備要怎麼去執行甚至昨天我們在討論無人機的時候我們好幾位友人其實不分黨派我們都討論到說如果這個要訓練無人機的這個飛手的部分既然又增加了新的技能新的勤務是不是也可以考慮這個飛手具有飛手資格的員警有沒有機會再增加一點新資 |
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薪酬作為鼓勵獎勵所以我想這些面向都是我們已經正在做的而且真正為警察同仁在考量的所以保留這個院長到當場可以為有功的員警表現好的員警可以給大家一點鼓勵我覺得這種在疑點上面在當場上面可以有津貼的做法我是覺得我是支持而贊成希望可以保留 |
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對啊其實院長不管是院長或者是副院長或者是秘書長那我也常常在請託說院長或者是秘書長可不可以到高雄來看看我們的校際研究園區秘書長也有來我想 |
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6815.203 |
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6844.403 |
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院長其實到場的時候其實相當程度對於相關案件的一個重視所以這個紀要費其實就是用在這上面的我們也希望院長的所有行政院的施政的方針等等都可以限定去給當地做一個鼓勵啦所以對於這個檢列我是不是可以再請託一下不要檢列這麼多或者是我們先用保留如果哪裡做得不滿意那我們再讓行政院來做這些相關的說明 |
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6855.848 |
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以上看能不能朝向保留的方式不然我們就先凍結用書面報告的方式不然我們就用保留的方式來做政黨協商 謝謝 |
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我先回覆剛剛幾個委員的問題,其實在場的委員包括博弈委員、美匯委員、黃捷委員、智原委員、喬惠委員等等私底下都有跟我講過關於警察加級的要增加第一個剛剛智原委員提的深夜加級的部分 |
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前一陣子我才跟內政部討論過那最後的一些些的需要整合的意見在於深夜執勤的部分在外勤或者內勤是否一致又或者是有比較不一樣的這個階梯式的這個做法要不要要怎麼處理這個在做最後細緻的討論因為我們還是希望 |
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這個讓警察弟兄姊妹能夠更多的加急但是還是要注意一定的橫平性剛剛喬惠文提到的無人機飛手的加急確實行政院有跟內政部在討論因為其他的相關的部會也有提出類似這樣子的做法尤其現在 |
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把CI列入這個保衛總隊必須要去協防的這個狀況之下我們當然希望說能夠用更多的科技來執法會比較好所以這個確實有在討論但這個可能還需要一點點時間那總之 |
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6934.363 |
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6960.624 |
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這個警察弟兄姊妹的這個專業的家籍的部分我們會來這個盡全力的來處理那畢竟他們在第一線執行是非常非常辛苦的那至於剛剛博弈、齋偉所提到的這個健勤委員如果能夠凍結那我們凍結提書面報告我們是願意來做這個書面報告的那如果這個翁委員還是很堅持的話那我還是建議說保留宋朝儀協商以上說明 |
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我為什麼堅持其實我也不是說不通人情我也可以凍結我的解凍條件就是行政院基本上這個院長趕快把那五項法律附屬該編的預算趕快編 |
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卓榮泰就是口是就是常常口是心非啊後生生說很照顧我們軍警銷有嗎?軍人加起了三萬元他不編就不編預算然後呢去給人家的這個國軍地銷三千元就以為說是照顧到大家了嗎?這太可笑了我今天我可以改凍結我的解凍條件就是五項法律全部要附屬該部的預算全部都要編然後沒有附屬法律跟沒有編預算之前 |
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仍然是就不能解凍如果說秘書長同意的話我立刻可以改改我的案子好啦那我們就保留協商好不好秘書長好第三目 |
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施政推展聯繫第二十七二十八案該組決議那二十九案三十案保留宋協商 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
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我再重新宣讀一次2728案該組決議2930案保留送協商處理若沒有異議的話就通過第四幕聯合服務業務 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
來 一樣請我們提案委員幫忙說明好 這個部分事實上在秘書長來做預算說明的時候我有特別提到我們這個聯合服務業務主要是在我們的聯合服務中心我也感謝聯合服務中心的幾位執行長有特別來跟我做一些說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
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但是因為我們聯合服務中心的人事的任命過去長期以來被詬病 就是說是酬庸或者是說我們執政黨的議員 地方的議員落選之後就被安插到聯合服務中心 |
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7106.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
7132.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
那說實在聯合服務中心他有一些這個業務但是我也相信就是說這些執行長並不應該都是變成是落選的明代然後去做酬庸那這裡面呢其實包含我在執行的時候我也都特別提到比如說像現在的我們的中部聯合服務中心雲嘉南聯合服務中心還有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
東部聯合服務中心金馬聯合服務中心過去都曾經當過這個我們這個執政黨民進黨的議員那其中呢這個我想可能這個咪咪長說過去也有啊也有這樣這種就是說可能他當過民代下來去當聯合服務中心但是我要特別提到因為我覺得這個也沒有給我一個具體的回應 |
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| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
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因为那个被我点名执行长他没有来他可能不好意思来我要讲的就是说因为我们中部联合服务中心的执行长原来是庄敬成庄敬成现在也是民进党征召参选的新竹市长那参选是他的权利但是他担任联合服务中心的时候把联合服务中心啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
當成是一個大罷免的跳板當時就是在聯合服務中心之後說他要投入大罷免結果大罷免大失敗之後他就變成去參選 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7210.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
好那他離開之後那你現任的執行長他的問題上次我也特別提到因為當時現任的執行長陳景倫他擔任的是過去擔任雜糧發展基金會的執行長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7239.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
當時他被曝 被踢爆是他拿公帑來喝酒宴客特製費不夠之後呢 他拿雜誌來支應連他回家的高鐵票都以出差的名義來做虛報那後來呢 被踢爆之後他說那這樣的話把他補回去就算了 |
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後來就把他補回去就算了這個案子也就不了了之當然他也待不下去他就離開離開之後呢就到中破聯合服務中心當副執行長那現在我剛講莊敬成去參選他就變成執行長所以我要講就是說 |
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聯合服務中心如果因為他他遍佈全台灣他如果都變成是一個政治人物的仇傭那而且你仇傭的對象裡面他在前面都已經爆發這些相關的弊案那自己也承認啊自己拿錢又去補回去 |
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那補回去之後然後又可以到另外一個政府單位我覺得這個真的很違反社會觀瞻社會觀感就非常非常差那所以 |
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7293.746 |
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7312.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
在這邊我也希望透過用聯合服務中心的預算的處理預算的處理能夠讓我們現在行政院正視這樣的問題這個問題真的存在很久但是一直沒有被改善不但沒有被改善而且越演越烈所以我在這邊我的簡略那我也希望說那麼你們如果能夠在未來聯合服務中心你們的人事的任用上能夠有所檢討 |
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7323.311 |
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7341.96 |
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那我們再來這個來看這個聯合服務中心的這個預算要怎麼樣調整那但是以今天來說的話我還是跟主席還有各位委員報告我希望仍然維持我所做的這個簡略的提案以上謝謝好 王美惠委員 |
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7347.27 |
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7368.264 |
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主席,在我提出的30個案件跟主席的研究,我要說的就是說聯合服務業務,尤其是地高地企,非常重要、非常需要在這個過程當中,你看他們家人、聯合服務處、地高地企的周邊 |
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7370.766 |
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7385.14 |
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幫忙很多人,因為我覺得說,你說什麼人去那邊出用或什麼,在那邊他們家人,說實在中央的政策跟社會就是要合作 |
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7386.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7410.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
北省附近的方便性啦所以說 我覺得說在印加人 從國際上來說國際上的印加人是服務很多管制尤其他明年代表出來的時候他又更能到位 還可以服務那麼多所以說他就知道了所以說在這個過程中 我覺得說 |
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7413.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7436.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
我們雲家人要做什麼事情 要讓人知道自己都沒有公佈 沒講 大家都當做雲家人這裡的經費都是農費 都是要儲用的省錢 這樣就不好了所以我們應該要定期在公佈我們所有的委員會 委員會 議會 選擇出來以上好 志仁委員有要發言嗎 |
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7445.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7446.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
沒有好 那就請秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7449.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7474.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
謝謝王宏威委員那個是不是酬庸我想見仁見智但是我比較接近那個完美會委員的看法因為委員你也當過議員這個應該知道在地方服務這個議員是做接地氣的那聯合服務中心顧名思義他就是做服務的所以接地氣是很重要的那第二個就是說這個為什麼接地氣很重要呢像這個 |
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7477.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7495.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我手上的資料有顯示張立善縣長曾經也在104年4月到11月擔任過雲嘉南服務中心的執行長所以我想不管哪一個政黨應該過年失業服務就是要做服務但是如果有人很堅持的話我想到 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7495.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7515.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
後續朝野協商還有一定溝通的時間跟機會我會請陳景仁執行長跟您拜訪請他跟您說明他相關的事情跟請託他的預算所以看如果委員同意的話是不是保留送朝野協商我講一下還是要爭取一下啦張宏祿委員這邊也有凍結 |
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7516.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7523.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
如果我們可以朝廂凍結的話是更好那看那個這個你說剛剛那個執行長如果跟黃衛委員可以做一個說明的話我們再使得動之這樣子來 紅衛委員那個我想那個博弈委員還有那個美惠委員大家都是希望能夠為地方能夠做一些爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7538.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7561.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我知道我也當過議員啊我現在做的諮詢都是把我的以後的路全部都封死就是我絕對不立即啦絕對不立即那我要講就是說在因為長期以來我們地方的服務中心他確實有做有些有明帶的但是你通通都是幾乎都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7561.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7584.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
就很難看 我必須講 為什麼這樣講說第一個 違反這個社會的觀瞻因為他大家覺得什麼 好像我們議員 霍明戴是有保障嗎就是 然後就 而且安排就立刻塞到立刻塞到這個政府單位那第二點 我剛剛也特別 中部聯合服務中心我真的覺得很誇張啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7587.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7604.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
服務到後來變大罷免大罷免不成現在當民進黨的參選人我說參選是你的權利我們管不到但是你在當那個聯合服務中心不就是聯合服務中心應該沒有顏色吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7628.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
對不對 聯合服務中心應該沒有顏色吧那你就變去大罷免 大罷免之後 你可以參選參選 但你說中部執行長 那陳執行長那天來的 就陳執行長沒有來 我並不是因為他沒有來啦但是呢 那其他幾位的執行長 那我也就是非常感謝他們他們特別來跟我說明 |
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7629.722 |
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但是我要講的就是因為我剛才說除非我剛才講的這個我們現在現任執行長的這些爭議他是不存在的我剛才講的其實我就不要再講第二遍了我都很喜歡給大家希望給大家留情面他那個事情老實說那你還讓他從雜糧基金會跑到中部聯合服務中心現在還再升官這樣子的做法那你 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7658.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7687.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
很不合理嘛剛剛我在講的那種虛報帳戶啊什麼那個高鐵票啊就是回家也用自己的也在用那個公費來報高鐵票那就很不好看這種事實上應該要被處理啦對不對其實秘書長這個我們是就是說我們可以我同意送協商保留送協商但是我真的覺得有一些特定的人士就是真的 |
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7688.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7694.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
應該要做處理啦我真的覺得要做處理否則的話你每次馬上要選舉要到囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7725.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
選舉要到了那他如果變成變身成好像一個地方黨部那我覺得大家更沒有辦法接受我剛才說這個案子啦這個案子不是只有我在意那我們其他也有很多的委員對於這個聯合服務中心的人士或者他們平常的業務也有很多質疑所以我為什麼說那我就把保留送協商未來可能我們其他委員會不會有些什麼樣意見大家再一併把列入考量 |
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7731.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7752.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
好,第四目聯合服務業務除第36案改組決議外,其餘31至35案保留送協商沒有異議就通過沒有那我身體不太好,我會休息一下休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7754.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7756.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
要休息五分鐘想說可以休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
7764.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7767.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7795.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7796.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
謝謝觀看,下次見 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7811.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7812.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
這跟雷軒無關 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7841.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7851.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
如果是農業部就把他們講得太怪了所以他們現在在那個西的北岸就在那個正中間去擔當其實那個部都沒了兩岸是萬農的那你如果北岸要正中 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7865.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7877.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
印象中他們只要要做抗爭對阿 如果是前堂牌要去換地的話那要換地會不會有問題?他現在就有這麼多選舉但是你眼前可以選舉但是如果是前堂牌就不可能 前堂選舉還在不要不要啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
7885.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7885.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
這間餐廳的餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
7912.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7926.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
好,我切一下,給你們報告一下這是正面板的東西,但是正面板的形狀是一樣的形狀的地方開始開鎖,所以我們把它鋪把蓋好以後能進入行李小心 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
7936.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7938.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
這裏有個大廈,這裏有個餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
7970.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7973.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
阿们 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
7983.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7983.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
鸡蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7997.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8005.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
我老闆娘就說,我說,跟你的,要說起來,親愛的親愛的親愛的親愛的朋友都在這裡 |