| IVOD_ID |
17554 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17554 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-29T08:42:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-29T15:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:13:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea26ab4164528b715c724b2c1858418b19ed7231b3d2e2f92a528786f5353005515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬、中央警察大學、消防署及所屬、移民署、空中勤務總隊部分。二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款消防署及所屬、移民署、警政署及所屬部分。三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金—新住民發展基金、警察消防海巡移民空勤人員及協勤民力安全基金。四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金—在校學生獎學基金、劉竹琛先生警察子女獎學基金、誠園獎學基金。五、繼續審查內政部函送財團法人臺灣省義勇人員安全濟助基金會、財團法人警察學術研究基金會、財團法人義勇消防人員安全濟助基金會等3家財團法人115年度預算書案。六、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分。七、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案。八、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案。【處理預算提案，上午9時至10時舉行秘密會議處理警政署及消防署之部分預算】【6月29日、7月1日、2日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:42:06 - 15:56:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看,下次见! |
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谢谢大家 |
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好請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員五人與主法定人數好現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期內政委員會第十七次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百一十五年六月十七日星期三上午九十五分至十二時五十八分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員徐中信委員等十二人列席委員鄭振淺委員等十五人請假委員丁學忠委員一人列席官員大陸委員 |
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大陸委員會主任委員邱綏政暨相關人員原住民組委員會主任委員曾志勇暨相關人員財團法人海霞交流基金會董事長蘇嘉全暨相關人員主席廖昭吉委員先行報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項一審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分 |
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審查財團法人海峽交流基金會及財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於原住民族委員會原住民族文化發展中心 |
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及其直轄市縣市政府一般性補助款部分審查原住民族委員會主管作業基金原住民族綜合發展基金審查財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會及財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會115年度預算書案討論事項合併詢答大陸委員會主任委員邱垂政 |
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原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇報告委員許中信等18人質詢由大陸委員會主任委員邱垂正原住民族委員會主任委員曾志勇及相關人員財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長蘇嘉全及相關人員財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會執行長何明輝答覆說明 |
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登記發言委員除不在場者外 其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束委員蘇巧慧 丁學忠 徐欣盈 高金素美 傅坤祺等5人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分 請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會決議本日議程所列預算案 相關提案於115年6月24日星期三中午12時前截止收件 預示不後宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位同仁 上次會議事錄有錯誤沒有好 錯誤 那議事錄確定繼續進行討論事項 請宣讀 |
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討論事項一繼續審查一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及其所屬中央警察大學消防署及所屬移民署空中勤務總隊及其直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助管部分繼續審查內政部主管特別收入基金新住民發展基金警察消防海巡移防空勤人員及協勤民力安定基金繼續審查內政部主管信託基金在校學生獎學基金留儲生先生警察子女獎學金成員獎學基金 |
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繼續審查財團法人台灣省義勇人員安全記住基金會財團法人警察學術研究基金會財團法人義勇消防人員安全記住基金會115年度預算書案繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分繼續審查財團法人海峽交流基金會及財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案宣讀完畢 |
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本日上午9時至10時舉行秘密會議處理警政署及下放署之部分預算在此先做宣告現在準備進行秘密會議以下宣告事項請大家確實配合遵守規定一所有人員先行離場參加秘密會議人員除委員外都要憑出席證進入 |
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會場及填寫切結書使得入場並請確實遵循保密規範所有入場人員請將手機、攝錄影設備、電子手錶、手環、二個大等通訊設備存放於場外置物櫃保管入場時並接受駐警人員之偵測檢查 |
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三 秘密會議不對外直播請公報處人員暫時關閉立法院議事轉播系統會場錄影畫面四 待會場清場移動時請全部人員由前門出場參加秘密會議人員由後門通過偵測檢查後進入會議那開始 |
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谢谢观看 |
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河沙沙沙 |
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4865.957 |
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4883.089 |
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好好 |
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4894.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
4900.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
哦哦哦 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
4915.071 |
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4915.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
這張照片是在2012年5月1日拍攝的 |
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4953.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
4955.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
美国人 |
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4985.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
4995.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我昨天去找他家練嘛 |
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4998.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
5022.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
外蒙古鱼马国通的鱿鱼 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
5028.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
5043.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
用筷子夾著,然後用筷子夾著,然後用筷子夾著 |
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5048.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
5048.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
河沙沙沙沙 |
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5082.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
5083.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
其實美國就是比較嚴肅 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
5114.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
5120.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
不好意思,不好意思我現在很願意罵各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
5135.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
5161.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
對啊,你不會啊,稍微像蕎風就說老邁六國,趕緊救人啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
5165.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
5165.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
烤鸡蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
5182.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
5202.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
對 我想問人家 你會不會有什麼要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
5215.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
5217.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
這個大家依序就做好我們時分開始喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
5242.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
5262.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
啊 稍微 抱歉 會很累喔 你的槍然後 那個訪問不在 訪問不在附近可以進來嗎然後這件事情 法律部是有說明什麼樣子執行完畢了 法律部執行完畢了 這樣你們應該可以判決那這是特有刑罰 保險那個 司法是刑罰 就是你那個事情是 |
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5269.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
5280.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
烤箱 |
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5296.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
5313.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
那就開始了現在改開公開會議首先介紹在場委員及列席官員首先介紹我們李柏毅召委王宏威委員張志倫委員王美蕙委員黃婕委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
5326.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
5350.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
我們介紹列席官員內政部劉世芳部長會計處許守國處長警政署張榮興署長警政署刑事警察局邱紹周局長中央警察大學黃明昭校長消防署蕭煥章署長警民署林鴻恩署長空中勤務總隊錦妍淵總隊長 |
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5354.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
5373.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
基金部分請參閱出席名單繼續審查一五年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬中央警察大學下榜署及所屬移民署空中勤務總隊部分等八案請宣讀預算書及委員提案宣讀完畢後再進行協商 |
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5376.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
5399.565 |
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115年度警政署級所屬稅務預算第二款罰款及培養收入第69項警政署級所屬1350萬1千元第二款公費收入第56項警政署級所屬848萬8千元第4款產產收入第78項警政署級所屬766萬元第7款其他收入第77項警政署級所屬3997萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
5403.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
5410.298 |
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稅出部分第三項警政所及所屬338億2189萬8千元第一幕一般行政196億5644萬1千元第二幕警政業務16億1005萬7千元第三幕警務管理14億2599萬7千元第四幕保安警察業務9億3天869萬5千元 |
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5427.97 |
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5456.434 |
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第五目國道警察業務三億一千九百萬七八千元第六目刑事警察業務五十八億兩千九百四十九萬三千元第七目初級警察教育十九億九千四百七十九萬八千元第八目一般建築及設備二十億七十萬九千元第九目地域北京四千七百萬元第七款直轄市及縣市政府第二項一般性補助款內政部主管 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
5457.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5481.273 |
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第四目 一般性警政補助 警政署及所屬 四億一千一百四十七萬四千元中央警察大學部分 稅入第二款 罰款及培養收入 第七十項 中央警察大學五百八十一萬兩千元第三款 規備收入 第五十七項 中央警察大學四百五十三萬八千元第四款 財產收入 第七十九項 中央警察大學一百五十萬五千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5482.074 |
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5506.725 |
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第七款其他收入第七十八項中央警察大學九百八十五萬三千元稅儲部分第四項中央警察大學十五億零六百三十三萬八千元第一幕一般行政六億七千零八十萬元第二幕高級警察教育八億三千四百零七萬九千元第三幕第一預備金一百四十五萬九千元消防組織所屬第二款保管及平常收入第七十一項 |
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5507.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5519.052 |
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消防組織所屬50萬元第三款規備收入第58項消防組織所屬5,555,000元第四款財產收入第80項消防組織所屬3147,000元第七款其他收入第79項消防組織所屬298,000元 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
5527.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5538.76 |
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稅出部分第五項消防所及所屬39億5485萬3千元第一幕一般行政10億1520萬3千元第二幕消防救災業務25億6745萬1千元第三幕港務消防業務1761萬元第四幕特種救救業務3億5114萬9千元 |
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5548.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5568.206 |
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第五目一般建築及設備一百八十二萬元第六目第一預備金一百六十二萬元第二期款指壓市及縣市政府第二項一般性補助款內政部主管第二目一般性民政補助消防署及所屬二十一億六千七百二十三萬一千元移民署部分第二款 |
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5569.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5585.019 |
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罰款及培養收入第七三項移民署五億九千一百九十九萬四千元第三款歸配收入第六十項移民署十九億九千三百一十萬兩千元第四款財產收入第八十二項移民署三百一十四萬五千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5585.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5604.786 |
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第七款其他收入第八十一項移民署一百六十三萬八千元最初部分第七項移民署六十億四千六百六十六萬一千元第一幕一般行政三十八億四千五百三十九萬元第二幕租出國際移民管理業務二十一億七千兩百二十八萬一千元第三幕 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5605.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5621.606 |
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一般建築及設備兩千一百九十九萬元第四目第一預備金兩百萬元第二十七款直轄日理縣市政府第二項一般性補助款內容部主管第三目一般性民政補助移民署六十九萬八千元空中勤務總隊部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5623.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
5635.896 |
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第二款罰款及賠償收入第75項空中勤務總隊400萬元第4款財產收入第84項空中勤務總隊485,000元第7款其他收入第83項空中勤務總隊293,000元最初部分第9項空中勤務總隊42億9645萬7千元第一幕一般行政5億1220萬7千元第二幕空中勤務業務37億8325萬元第三幕第一預備金100萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
5653.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
5669.911 |
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特別收入基金內任務主管新住民發展基金附屬單位預算一 業務計劃部分依依據基金來源用途審查結果順通調整二 基金來源4億0439萬7千元基金用途4億2917萬7千元本集短處2478萬元結繳公庫及補辦預算均無劣數 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
5677.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
5696.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
特別收入基金 內政部主管 警察消防海巡 移民空行人員及協情民力安全基金附屬單位預算一 業務計劃部分依據基金來源用途審查結果隨從調整第二 基金來源535萬元二 基金用途1,736萬7千元 本期短處1,201萬7千元結繳光庫及補班預算券均無劣數 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
5701.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5720.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
信託基金內政部主管在校學生獎學基金附屬單位預算一 業務計畫部分依據收支逾促撥補等項目審查隨同調整二 總收入11萬1千元總支出11萬元本期剩餘1千元信託基金內政部主管成員獎學基金附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
5721.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5741.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
業務工作部分依據收支 逾促撥補等項支審查結果隨容調整第二 總收入二十三萬四千元 總支出三十六萬八千元 本期短處十三萬四千元淨脫基金認證部主管就如山先生警察子女獎學基金部署單位預算業務計劃部分依據收支 逾促撥補等項支審查結果隨容調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
5744.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5762.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
總收入五萬元總支出八萬七千元本期短處三萬七千元內政部主管財團法人台灣省義勇人員安全技術基金會一百一十五年度預算收入三百零九萬一千元支出五百五十二萬四千元本期短處兩百四千三千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
5763.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5787.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
內政部主管財產法人警察學術研究基金會115年度預算收入321萬2千元支出300萬元本期剩餘21萬2千元內政部主管財產法人義勇消防人員安全基礎基金會115年度預算收入1300萬8千元支出1203萬3千元本期剩餘97萬5千元繼續宣讀提案部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
5794.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5821.949 |
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警政署 第三項 警政署所屬一到二案第一幕一般行政三到第七案第二幕警員也有第八案到第26案第三幕警務管理第二七到二十九案第四幕保安警察也有第三十到三十五案第五幕國道警察也有三十六到三十八案第六幕刑事警察也有第三十九到五十五案第七幕初級警察教育五十六到五十九案第八幕一般金融及設備六十到六十五案 |
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5822.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5838.705 |
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主決議六十六到八十六案中央警察大學部分第一幕一般行政第一到第三案第二幕高級警察教育第四到第十一案主決議為第十二到十三案消防署及所屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
5840.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5866.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第一案 一般行政第二到第七案 第二幕消防救災業務第八到第29案 第三幕港務消防業務第30到31案 第四幕特種搜救業務第32到37案主決議為第38到第55案 移民署部分第一案為第73項罰款及平常收入一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
5869.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5897.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
移民署部分第7項為第2案第一幕一般行政第3到第5案第二幕入入國籍移民管理業務第6到第22案第三幕一般建築設備第23案主決議為第24到第34案空中勤務總隊部分第一幕一般行政為第1到第3案第二幕空中勤務業務第4到第11案主決議為第12到第17案內政部主管新住民發展基金 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
5899.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5926.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
基金用途其六案宣讀完畢好本次會議議程所列有關處理115年度之預算做以下宣告一有關各位委員之提案為時討論聚焦一預算科目編排稅務部分以相為單位稅處部分原例處理到募資科目為原則 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
5927.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5953.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
二提案委員如果有提出凍結相關預算者除有委員特別聲明意外解凍條件均依例改為向本委員會提出書面報告後使得動之三處理預算提案時如提案委員不在場依照委會依共識該提案不再處理為如該案與協商前相關部會議跟提案委員溝通完成並將書面送至本委員會及依該溝通結果處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
5956.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
5982.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
你給我看這麼多年嗎是討論事項繼續審查財團法人台灣省義勇人員安全記住基金會預算書案該基金會已於1月5年6月3日函資本院該基金會於本年便登記為財團法人義勇人員安全記住基金會在此宣告讓委員知悉以上宣告請問在場委員有無異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
5983.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
5987.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
那我們現在進行第一案至第五案的協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
6004.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
6017.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
我發現不是能夠看清楚你們要播放嗎我們好像沒什麼問題要進貢啊所以今天是貢啊進貢啊 現在講啊要做的 要改善的都要做說明一下啦 這個人要戴我簡單講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
6032.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
6048.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我簡單講一下我們警政署的部分目前就是有凍結7案那鐘鴻祿委員那李伯義委員凍結5案吳啟明委員凍結1案那所以我們是不是請召委指示我們是先從警政署先開始可以來 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
6049.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
6072.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我們就先從警政署開始要先我說明一下我警政署警政署凍結的齁因為抱歉我上個禮拜不在啊所以今天早上都已經簽完今天早上都已經簽完改組決議了謝謝等一下我就依順序然後宣告然後看一下跟各位委員的認知有沒有一致這樣子好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
6078.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
6094.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
按順序編號走下來我們開始警政署的預算 協商那說出部分 第三項的第一案跟第二案網紅衛委員這邊有 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
6097.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
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文字修正然後凍結500萬然後書面資料實得動之嘛這部分是跟警政署完成協商嘛齁那包括高經委員一樣嘛好所以我們的第一案跟第二案就按我們的委員跟警政署協商結果我們就都文字修正凍結500萬那書面報告後實得動之好那我們就進行第一幕一般行政一般行政的部分第三案第五案第六案都已經改組決議了沒錯嘛齁那個志倫委員還有 |
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美匯委員 智能委員好 謝謝渣人和各位委員大家早因為時間的關係我盡量講快一點不過就是因為這個第六案特別講到我們警察機關尤其是基層同仁我們扶植執勤的時候的一些問題那因為本席在新北市中和區這裡大家可以看到新聞 |
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有一位誠信員警在連續執行17個小時後不幸出事留下這個年邁的父親妻子跟兩個小孩所以本席在這邊還是要幫他來拜託警政署應該對他的撫恤採取從優從寬從速發放的這個政策那本席在這邊也必須要幫他來爭取應該是以因公殉職 |
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因公殉職的方式來重溜發放他的撫慰金所以這邊要拜託警政署等一下可以來回覆那其實警察同仁他的整個這個值班其實長期來講有這些很多過勞的情形也希望警政署可以加以來協助那我舉個例子就比如比說他的這個超勤加班費其實我相信部長跟警政署也非常清楚現在基層員警以一階 |
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這個警左一接的警員來講其實每個小時的加班費超前加班費是190元那大家都知道這已經比現在最低工資還要低了現在最低工資一個小時大家外面可以看到是196元那如果你算加班費大家知道勞基法的話是要乘以1.34跟乘以1.67所以勞工的加班費一個小時是262塊跟327塊可是基層警察的加班費才190元這一點我也要來幫 |
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這個警察同仁來發聲那以及組長跟部長都知道的我們現在我們的深夜危老津貼警政署跟內政部都已經送到行政院了那我們現在執行的我們的執行員警在內部工作的這些同仁到現在這個法規這個津貼還沒有過是不是請部長可以趕快請行政院會的時候來積極的來溝通因為 |
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我們剛剛講的這位新北市中和的陳信遠警他就是在辦現在最嚴重的獨駕的案件所以操勞處事的一個情形那最後我還是要幫我們基層同仁講雖然我這個案件是主決議可是我還是希望就是說 |
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簡化這個非警察本職的勤務那我們警政署在113年10月22號到114年6月17號兩度有召開跨部會的演算簡化警察機關的行政協助法就是協助其他行政機關的一些 |
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一些作為可是盤點的45項的情況只有13項法規的簡化還有持續還有非常多這個警察同仁其實他執行的時候是什麼都要做的情形所以拜託部長也是要跨部會對幫我們警察同仁來這個來發聲以上謝謝 |
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好請黃威委員補充一下好就是我剛才完全同意剛剛張志倫委員所講的所以在這個第一幕一般行政的部分我這邊就是在我們的這個警察人員休假勤休相關的規定 |
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我們還是要重視第一線遠景的健康尤其最近發生這個旱事他回來其實他的狀況他就是說我就是去瞇一下瞇一下就天人永隔所以我在這邊呢其實我們預算都是支持的可是就是因為要關心遠景的他的勤務的安排 |
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所以我在這邊是凍結100萬然後提出書面報告我希望能夠落實啊那不然的話到時候我們這邊就要提排專案報告了所以在預算上我們做了一些凍結的處理但是事實上就是希望警政署能夠關心我們第一線同仁他們的勤務的安排以上 |
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你們先從大方向的先說明吧然後個案再請方局長補充這樣子我先跟委員報告一下有關於那個警察的猜情的部分呢確實我們在3月1號開始的時候就有做這個所謂的這個刑事還有焚重加急那每個縣市政府大概都已經通過 |
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那再來就是署內的其他的這個警員的這個部分的話現在行政院希望我們按照這個比較高階的話加的比較少比較低階加的比較多那現在正在盤點那警消都一樣那再來就是有關於這個未來的這個警察人力的補充我們也拜訪了考試院那希望說有一些法規能夠修正的讓我們警察未來呢投入我們的警察系統裡面會很快來處理 |
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那再來就是深夜圍牢這個家籍的部分深夜圍牢家籍的部分大概就是被請的部分呢我們的人事行政總署希望再釐清清楚他們在被請的時候算不算是屬於勤務那這個還要再跟那麼多溝通但是公文我們已經送到行政院去了那再來就是這位新北市的警員的這個個案的部分那今天那個方仰林局長也有到現場我請方局長跟您報告一下 |
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主席還有各位委員好那我們這一位中和分局南市所的陳欣妍警那這一部分剛剛就志遠委員的這個提醒我們已經研議到底是因公殉職或因公死亡的部分因為核定權是在權序部我們在跟權序部溝通之後一定對我們員警最有利的這個撫恤啊來爭取他的這個給家屬一個 |
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包括子女教育補助以及這個家人照護的一個交代這是第一點那第二點這個重點還是在我們這個基層派出所同仁交接班的延續的問題因為 |
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也是涉到一個法律責任的問題因為現在刑事訴訟法必須出庭作證跟交付結論所以案件基本上我們都是辦到一個過程跟階段那我們現在有在檢討這個次要任務的部分比如說移送到偵查隊跟地檢署的部分我們可以交接給這個接班的同仁來接任那這一部分也是我們積極在做改善檢討的地方 |
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那第三點有關簡化業務的部分我們配合中央跟地方也都積極的在辦理 以上三點說明好那第七案的部分就是文職修正然後改動解一百萬出名報告那目前就是第四案我們張宏祿委員的案子他已經改了沒有啦 沒有啦 |
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沒有啦 我覺得剛兩位委員講的都有道理啦齁那我覺得啦 雖然啦這個他最後的這個詮釋不又去這個 可是我覺得啦我們警政署喔不是不是 除了送之外啦我覺得我們啦 也要有擔當啦 |
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我們一定要強力的說這個主張我們對我們基層員警最好的主張不是只有說你們送就好我也不是說他們就他們決定我覺得我們的立場要很清楚這樣子才不會含著基層警員的心我覺得這一點你們要做到 |
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不是說你們在這邊跟委員講我們會鬆去然後結果是權序不我覺得這一點我認為你們也要加強的空間所以如果這樣的話我第四案我就跟王宏威委員我們就平安處理就好了 |
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無所謂啦 好不好就整幕嘛 他們會去處理嘛就像我們以前這樣 併案處理就好了紅樓委員你是要併在一般行政整個大框架還是要針對業務費的部分沒關係 就在第一幕就在第一幕裡面 OK好 跟那個紅樓委員併案處理OK 沒問題就是一共動一百萬啦對嗎好 那我們就第一幕一般行政 |
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案號356改組決議案號47合併凍結100萬元那書面報告後時的動之 |
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好那我們現在進行第二幕報告報告主席我是不是現在有一個建議因為有一些就是順便報告我是不是說因為已經快快下半年是不是一個月一個月順便報告我們以後的就是所有順便就一個月就提報了我們不要再三個月怎樣就是所有只要順便報告就是一個月順便報告好我們警政署都是一個月嘛是是是好謝謝 |
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好 那開始我們進行第二幕的警政業務那有一些改組決議的 那就請各位委員確認一下第八案第十案十一十二十三十四十七十八 |
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那個主席不好意思啦我會不會插一下話我看很多都改組決議都改什麼的了我們是不是就不用一個個念了然後就是把有還沒有改的這個我們把它拿出來處理就好了不然你現在念的都是這一些好不好可以這樣 |
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可以啊到最後你就說我們整幕那如果有改組決議有什麼就叫他們這樣處理我盡力一下這樣比較快好那那包括測案喔15 16歲所以目前我們第二幕的警政業務剩下第九案第九案只有第九而已好那所以我也改組決議那第二幕就處理好了第九改組決議 |
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因為還有凍結我還宣告一下好那除了第十九案第十九案文字修正凍結五十萬這部分就按照跟警政組的協商好那一樣書面報告一個月書面報告後辭了公職那其餘案件的有撤案的就撤案那改組決議的就改組決議好如果各位人沒有意見那我們就進行下一幕好進行第三幕警務管理 |
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那目前也是28案那一樣我也改組決議好那我們就三案都改組決議我們進行下一幕第四幕保安警察業務還沒有進行協商完則的就是33案張宏陸委員凍結50萬 |
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不是,那其他的也都有凍結嘛齁,我看嘛齁那是不是整目病案處理嘛,看凍結這個50萬嘛欸,高軍委員他有300萬沒關係啦,如果說有協商完了之後,如果是你們同意的部分,是不是就遵照當初的協商結果協商結果怎麼樣 |
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是你們同意的嗎第32案的部分 |
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如果你們有同意我建議就按照如果你們同意我們就全部的併案處理嘛整幕凍結300萬嘛好不好這樣子處理嘛好那我們第四幕就整幕凍結300萬元那書面報告一個月內書面報告後使得動之那於組決議的部分那就依照協商來組決議那主席就所有委員案子併案處理 |
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就是30...33...對對對 抱歉抱歉第一四幕就是病案處理就凍結300萬元那一個月內順利報告後 值得動之第五幕 國道警察業務那就是38案張宏祿委員那個全部都已經改組決議了 我也改組決議好 那就第五幕的三案我們全部都更改為組決議 |
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第五幕對 第五幕的三案都改組決議如果沒有問題我們開始進行下一幕第六幕刑事警察業務目前四五還有四十六案 |
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445案吳啟明改為主結議謝謝說到466案張恍祿委員國務委員 |
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第51案應該這邊也已經改組決議了但是這一幕我必須要說一下刑事警察A55其實現在已經快要七月了那我希望這個警政署這邊能趕快送就趕快送要不然刑事局那邊很多不能動的部分我還是對治安是非常的擔心以上 |
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好那目前我看徐欣盈委員這邊有凍結300萬不是不是你聽我講完那我們是不是整目處理就所有人你先講好請張志烈委員發言 |
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好 這個第六幕是有關於刑事警察業務的部分那我們有發現這個就是說有關於尤其是現在大家所最重視這個就是強化陰獸尿液就是有吃毒品的人要強化陰獸尿液採檢人的採檢的實施計畫的執行率沒有達八成 |
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那我們覺得很奇怪 為什麼沒有達八成那不看不知道 看警政署 其實警政署的說明非常的詳細我覺得讓我們可以了解 他說因為預算沒有達到八成的原因是因為 不是我們警政署的問題 是因為法務部他各地方的檢察署的檢察官 |
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他認為這些吸毒的人是要去做戒癮治療然後把這些吸毒的人緩起數的比例逐年上升那就現在我們所提到的資料從111年吸毒的人要去驗尿的人是66,819人到113年的時候下降只有到5萬人 |
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所以我們必須要講的是就一般民眾現在的認知都是吸毒的人越來越高可是我們警察這麼辛苦去抓吸毒的人可是現在因為這個地方的檢察官說他們是就好像生病的一樣不需要去做尿檢表示他們對我而言好像沒有任何的刑責變得好像只是一個生病的人我覺得這對我們警察同仁在第一線執勤的時候會非常辛苦好像就是我們抓了這麼多吸毒的人到最後就是 |
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戒癮治療那我說這不是我們警政署的問題所以我這邊是不是請我們劉思芳部長在跨部會協商的時候針對這個問題是不是可以跟行政院大家一起來檢討一下現在毒品問題這麼嚴重那是不是請部長可以針對這個問題稍微回答一下謝謝好 部長請 |
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謝謝張委員的關心張委員我們在上上個禮拜的時候行政院已經把毒品危害防治條例送到立法院來那我記得應該是一讀已經通過了所以根據毒品危害防治條例裡面它的主管機關不是只有認證部的警政組法務部或者是其他的衛福部都包含在內那在於那個我們在第一線是屬於這個就是這個毒品的篩檢的部分其實我們都做到相當的多那請那個 |
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地方的檢查機關可以在效率上再加強的話也許可以在毒品危害防治條例裡面再請這個法務部在我記得應該是送我們的司法法治委員會來審查是不是可以在那個地方提醒那我們也會把相關的進度會持續的跟法務部來做處理那因為我們刑事局的同仁有跟張委員講過我們現在的處理的相關的方向 |
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所以是不是請那個張委員這個也不要凍結那麼多因為那是改組決議我沒有凍結我只是我沒有凍結我是提組決議我只是在提醒而已提醒說請部長這邊對因為那個毒品文化防治條例確實主責機關在法務部他們的那個扮演的角色是非常的重要因為這樣子才可以把這個毒品犯 |
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那個那個那個做罪懲治啦這個是我們在刑警或是在警察機關裡面比較沒有辦法直接去影響到的部分那我是不是就是說我們整目所有委員的提案並斷處理就尊重徐信仁委員我們就整目凍結300萬 |
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第6幕刑事警察業務除第49案撤案外其餘案件並按處理凍結300萬元說明報告後只得凍資那有主決意的就依照主決意去進行第7幕初級警察教育 |
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我們第五十八案 張宏祿委員改組決議好那我們第七目初級警察教育 如果委員沒有發言的話就共四案都改組決議第八目一般建築及設備那就是除第六十案都是組決議嘛好那請黃婕維委員發言 |
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因為我已經改組決議但是我還是想要請警政署可以跟大家說明一下因為其實基層的警察還是非常關心這個防彈衣的更新那這個我之前也爭取過很多次就是有很多的基層員警說不管是尺寸不合啦版型的問題啦設計的問題或者是他的品質 |
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這個其實真的要替基層警察再次的爭取一下就是你們接下來防彈衣有沒有更新的計畫那提供的接下來會不會是個品質更好的可不可以跟讓大家知道一下好那再一次報告一下謝謝委員就是防彈衣確實現在目前的基層同仁反應就是可能就是說會太硬或怎樣那我們 |
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會做劃時代的改變了我們在今年度跟明年會提高防彈衣的這個一個單價所以我們預計在115、116這兩年會把所有機種會把它汰換不管是在它的身形安全柔軟度靈活度防刺 |
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都會達到最佳的狀態我想這個部分也請您支持我們這次預計在今年度跟明年度全部會把它換今年就開始了今年就會開始買了今年到明年兩年你也把它處理起來所有外錢兩年 |
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所以我想各位人拭目以待這應該是謝謝我們部長非常的這個支持我們把這個方案這次預算有把它提出來了有把它提出來要來編115年就開始要來做這個整個防彈衣跟那個什麼腰帶整套腰封的就是他那個背的東西很重腰封 |
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腰封的這個部分也會防這個身體的這個整個負荷力那這個最主要就是這樣子啦以往的防彈力一萬二你到什麼地方去買都沒辦法買到多舒適的就一分錢運貨嘛大概都是有國內在做那這一次的這個防彈力從防彈力到自己本身那一件大概三萬腰封的這個大概一萬四萬五我們準備要來開國際標啦 |
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就是說現在的這個狀況就是未來會一次就是一次性會把所有頭緣這方面來做一個解決謝謝委員 很多委員都在關心 真的謝謝委員的這個關心好 完美會委員主席在這裡剛才聽到醫療事務局的解說 我覺得說 |
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有那麼慢啦 但是總比不做還好啦在這個關係當中 我覺得你們國際標你也要注意啦不然到時候又不一樣的國家來處理 間接叫人來標這樣是很嚴重的啦 我覺得這個反彈疫 |
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說很久了 說到現在到普通說 啊 署長你應該讓我們的東林照顧好在這個過程當中 我覺得我們要趕緊 要加強不然你叫我們這裡的東林 你看電視打開都是經濟機構 無智相的壟斗跟智 要說實在很撩人的撩人好不好 要趕緊啦 以上 |
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好 張志倫委員好 我補充一下其實每位委員都非常關心防彈衣那我也有關心其實基層的員警人數大概是五萬五千多人那這次買了大概是兩千九百件的防彈衣一件一萬兩千元那可是在這裡我們當時發現其實廠商 |
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不知道廠商發生什麼問題裡面居然有一萬一千多件是不符合的所以就一萬八千多件發到我們現在的基層員警各派出所的手上可是一萬八千多件當時發生什麼問題呢就是一萬八千多件的防彈衣當時太硬所以跟廠商反映這個問題我們基層員警覺得是非常不能接受為什麼因為看到很多外勞 |
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廠商跟外勞去那邊凹防彈衣一直凹一直凹就凹完了以後結果基層員警也覺得房間還是太硬繼續凹所以我覺得這件事情所以我們未來再找廠商在做防彈衣的部分的時候我覺得這點必須要特別去關心我們基層員警的安全問題 |
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那剛剛其實署長的反應也非常快說未來要採購一件三萬多塊的防彈衣那總金額也會上升蠻多這點本席是非常支持那本席這邊想要提一個意見就是既然都可以買到一件三萬元的防彈衣那是不是可以跟過去的這個方式不一樣是不是可以未來我建議這個防彈衣可以隨警員就是自己去保管自己的防彈衣 |
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因為過去長期在我們基層的派出所還有一個問題就是防彈衣大家離開了以後防彈衣還要交回去那我就很好奇一個160公分的人交回去下一個人穿的是180公分的那怎麼穿得下去所以過去防彈衣都特別買特別大號的防彈衣可是大號防彈衣 |
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比如說XL的人穿XL的防彈衣的時候那個槍沒辦法拿出來會卡住啊所以造成非常的危險所以既然今天警政署跟內政部這麼有誠意買那麼貴的防彈衣是不是可以這個就是可以真的可以套糧讓每個員警套糧讓防彈衣每個人是隨著人可以就是像鞋子一樣而且鞋子你也不可能用完以後交回去給派出所誰要穿用過的鞋子所以這一點是不是可以請署長 |
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未來制度可以想一下是不是可以請防彈衣隨著每個警員因為一件已經三萬多塊了可以套兩可以讓他們可以使用的更安全更好以上謝謝好第一點跟我們報告好跟我們報告防彈衣的部分未來一定是會合身柔軟安全還有這些防刺因為真的是差蠻多的這個錢一件三萬之前一件買一萬二 |
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那這部分我們大概有去訪很多家的我不是只有這個我都有帶去給部長看我自己也看過很多次像未來這種是不是柔軟和聲安全這我想應該沒問題這個也跟委員報告我們一定朝這樣努力第二部分這些的防彈衣我們未來會朝委員的建議就隨著他掉哪邊就跟著他到哪邊這個制度我們會來建立跟委員做報告 |
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好,多謝委員支持啦,剛剛我有提到,那現在的,大家覺得比較不合身的防彈液的部分,其實我們已經廢標了廢掉廢掉我們主動廢不是廠商廢標,我們把它廢掉,那當時也要拜託委員支持,就廢標之後所剩下的這些經費啦,讓我們把它放到新的 |
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好嗎那我們盡量在兩年內把第一線警員所需要的這個防彈的這個設備包括腰封這個全部都把它補足兩年內因為現在預算編列確實很不容易那我們盡量兩年內把它補足 |
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我想其實有關於一線遠景的防彈衣事實上已經很多年大家都非常重視那其實過去有遠景還自己去買防彈衣這就是讓我們覺得非常不捨而且覺得真的沒有辦法接受 |
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其實老實說剛才署長在講說它很柔軟、合身、好用的下次我們在這個編預算的時候應該至少有一個sample給我們對不對大家套一套覺得至少遠景會感覺到這個是確實比較合身的這個是一個就是說基本上我們提高我們遠景的安全度以及合身跟舒適這個大家絕對都支持 |
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那第二點這個我就要特別去講了就是說這一次是過硬就說大學不合身那過去其實我們還有採購我們老闆還有採購弊案對不對就是這個我當時非常就是我一直在關注而且也一直在追蹤的 |
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就是過去我們還有把那種防彈衣是讓那種連續其實都被政府作為拒絕往來戶然後可能過了三年五年他又來標或者是說他變回拒往戶然後他就請他的兒子再成立一家公司再來標有這樣的一個弊案 |
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那我希望在這次你們的書面報告裡面要把這個部分你們處理求長的部分比如說你說過硬你廢標老師說你當時為什麼會開出這樣的規格 |
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因為防彈衣不是一年兩年它是過去都有在做的那第一個這個規格是怎麼弄出來的那你現在就是廢標就廢標了嗎但是你要不要在報告裡面第一個要去交代第二個就是過去像那個上級公司它就是一個弊案那你應該要求償啊 |
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我意思說錢不能白花因為根本不能用嘛上次那個防彈衣是根本不能用所以呢你要怎麼處理你在這些求償的部分我希望你們也能夠在這個書面報告裡面去做交代另外署長我請教一個技術上的問題防彈衣不是只有警察同仁其實很多單位一些國安單位甚至有一些公益事業很多單位因為他們有那個有保全或怎麼樣 |
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過去是由那個台銀啊很多都是由台銀做統一採購所以我不曉得現在我們現在警察警政署的部分是不是由警政署自己開這個標案因為過去有很多是由台銀做做聯合採購因為他還牽涉到其他部會也有也有就是要採購這個防彈背心的部分 |
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跟委員報告一下就是委員剛剛所提的之前的這些相關的議題我們這次會在書面報告裡面做說明清楚第二部分我覺得這個台銀當然繼續飆他就按照這個的這個程序這一次我們要自己來 |
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自己來我們自己最清楚啊所以委員所提的這他會不會自己做之前他就是這個老闆又又他的子女我們一定會把他把他弄清楚啊這個對對所以我們現在這個部分應該是會把他弄清楚啊那這一次我們會好好把這個防彈衣跟這個腰封好好給他做一次的解決 |
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一定的 一定的 這是我這個重大政策那跟張委員報告這個第八幕是不是只剩那個六十案是不是那個張委員 張委員是不是給我們改組決議好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝主席謝謝 謝謝委員好 那如果沒有委員要再發言的話我們第八幕六十到六十五案全部都改為組決議通過 |
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好那剩下最後一個項目就是主決議的項目委員要針對主決議的項目要先跟蘇喬珊委員我還是想要關心一下並且留一個記錄喔因為其實我從質詢的時候就是在關心說現在極端氣候熱成這樣喔那其實我們這樣光是看這個立法院的住院員警就好了實在是大家穿戴配備這麼的多這到底 |
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有沒有能夠協助大家好好的執勤或者是反而更增添了大家的負擔在這種氣候之下要用什麼樣的裝備才可以降溫才可以避免熱衰竭保護執勤的同仁等等那我上次在質詢的時候其實部長和署長都說不但會研議而且會儘快的有答案甚至是這個月今天629了明天就630了就會有這個川拜指引出來 |
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那所以不曉得署長和部長今天這個部分可不可以回應一下好 稍微我來可以啊 署長謝謝委員委員議題字之後我們部長就馬上做交代 |
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那我們依據這個勞動部以及跟我們自己警察機關的這個特性這個安全指引已經有出來 而且也含發給各單位在執行 分別有六大項第一個就是彈性的調整勤務第二個是補充水分 第三步是上路防曬用品 第四個就是主用適當的服飾 第五個就是運用降溫的藥品第六個就主動關來分別有六項的這個工作的這個指引那最主要當然就是各主管要看這個我們 |
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當天的天候的情形要對於主動去做觀覽跟做這樣各項措施的一個實施那第二部分就是尤其就是我們各個單位的團隊的互助跟自治健康管理如果說這個高溫我們同仁 |
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我覺得身體不是馬上要做這樣的一個反應會做機動的調整那這個安全指引的這個六大項我們在應該是在6月兩個禮拜前我們就結束完之後就函發給各單位去做一個實施 |
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我們這個部分再補給你我想是這樣子 第一 既然是我質詢的內容嘛所以也要求月底之前要有嘛所以如果有的話送一份到北國的辦公室應該是非常合情合理的狀態那另外的話就是說剛剛樂大指引我也完全都尊重並且同意啦 只是 |
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如果署長看到我的質詢內容的話其實應該是說對你那個六項裡面的穿戴的指引是什麼你穿戴適合的我現在就是在問你什麼叫適合啊你不要我穿完以後然後跟我說我覺得你這不適合我現在的問題就是要降低大家這樣的困擾不然我當然也知道要隨時通報要多喝水這個我當然都知道 |
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對啊所以勤務當然就是勤務這個部分的話我也很感謝因為署長這樣講了那我想這個各地的主觀就會敢做調配嘛我們就是需要署內的這句話那就是您現在也出了一個說適當裝備這個署內出了一個適當的配備那我就是要問說這個適當你有沒有讓大家能夠理解一下好好好OK對啊對啊這實在太熱了 |
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真的熱了所以消防署這邊對於治安的部分感謝委員有一些支持經費然後限時的充實那我們也針對冷凍的核心機器的冷凍這個部分我們也在做就冰櫃冰水經過熱的時候泡進去手臂泡進去這是也在做那消防衣裡面放那個冷凍塊 |
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目前也在執行那後勤照顧車今年開始有些車輛會陸續配置出來就後勤照顧對於同仁救災長時間救災那可能熱過度那怎麼輪班休息這個大概校方這邊也同步在執行跟我們報告 謝謝還有要作論的嗎好 |
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因為我6月24就批了,6月24就還發對,謝謝,非常謝謝因為我們就積極去做這些包括參考勞動部還有我們自己本身的特性就一個指引,那我們就是支持中央一定支持地方的這個對於熱的這個區塊它是有六大的這個指引那可以給他們的各個外單位的這個主觀來做一個彈性的處理 |
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所以警察長就是屬的態度啦那就是可以大家可以彈性啦那我們就拿著這個然後我們去問各地主觀這樣的狀況如果有到時候還有什麼摯愛男性之處或不清楚之後我們再來跟屬反映好不好我們再挑戰好謝謝好那在做組決議宣告之前還有委員有意見要做交流的嗎好如果沒有的話我們開始進行組決議那我們組決議的部分 |
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66至86案均為主決議其中66、70到74以及78、86案照案通過其餘個案照文字修正通過請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好那就以上警政署的就到這一邊我們下一個單位是中央警察大學 |
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好 謝謝好 謝謝沒有意見 |
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市長 無人機那個哪有規務 壞交惡 讓你幫他請來研討好不好 |
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校長,我們都全部支持,那我們可以走嗎?有有有,張委員還有洞穴我們就要開始囉 |
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我們現在開始進行中央警察大學的預算案提案的審查那稅出部分第四項中央警察大學第一路一般行政我們共有三案委員提案那第三案的部分張宏祿委員 |
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那個我剛看了一下第一幕第二幕啦齁所有委員都改組決議了啦齁跟測案啦我的也全部改組決議啦這樣就比較快了啦好那我們第一幕一般行政三案都改組決議通過好那第二幕剛剛張副委員也有說明了那就是第四第九案是測案齁第九案測案其餘的四到十一案全部改組決議 |
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如果委員沒有要進行溝通的部分那就依照剛剛的宣告通過主決議部分 |
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十二十三案主決議在案通過好沒有意見就OK好那我們中央警察大學的預算就到這邊好 |
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我們校署長 校防署同仁 |
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好那進行消防署及所署部分的預算那說出部分第五項消防署及所署有一個案子吼那紅衛委員改組決議沒錯嗎 |
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好 那我們校方署及所屬案號1的部分改組決議通過 大家沒有意見沒有好 接下來我們第一幕一般行政改組決議好 那我們的第一幕一般行政案號2到案號7全數改組決議通過 |
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接下來第二幕 消防救災業務第十一案 十二案 還有十六案的部分十六案該組決議了 |
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我說一下我第16案跟第19案都改組決議那我是希望消防署在包含所有的救災以及氣候片遷你們的這些工具還是回到我們剛剛講的你們這些工具希望都是用最進步的工具好謝謝 |
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好 那我們第十二案好 那我十八案跟二十三案都改為主決議好 那張宏睦跟王美惠委員王美惠委員要翻譯是不是 |
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好那就先張志隆你再往後 王宏偉員好謝謝主席我有提一個這個第九案就是針對這個消防救災業務其中針對我國現在陸域跟離岸風機這個風機電阻現在因為快速增加而且 |
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一旦發生火災人員受困或設備故障等等相關議題現在已經不是傳統的救災模式可以來因應的部分尤其最近大家可以看到過去最近雲林麥寮陸域風機火災以及我們海域風機火災的相關等等的一些問題我要想要請教消防署 |
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是不是可以針對現在我們所有的離岸風電如果未來發生火災應該如何這個消防業務應該如何來救災是不是可以說明一下以上謝謝 |
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好 感謝委員垂詢 離岸風電這是目前焦點 離岸風電我們現在有特別要求他們應該要設自動煤火系統不是說等發生事情以後我們才去救這個地方我們特別在這次發生以後 之前也建議過那這次發生過以後 特別在韓文請農業局 農業署這邊要求我們離岸風電業者一定要裝自動煤火設備 |
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因為這個高度我們消防車救護運動車這個高度也到不了另外其實離岸風電它有兩個區塊勞動部對離岸風電的座位安全指引他特別要求要做監測 |
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這個設備 斷電設備還有高空的逃生設備它應該有應變計畫這是在勞動部在108年就有這方面的要求那事實上在全球風能組織對離合風電它也特別要求基礎安全培訓跟進階的救援培訓這個部分在原來的勞動部或國際風能組織都有這方面的要求當然我們現在這一次遇到這個狀況 |
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因為這個高度真的高啦當然我們對於繩索救援也操作過做訓練那我們來嘗試檢討看這麼高的高度對我們繩索救援有沒有空間但是我們初步評估難度是非常高所以剛才跟我們報告就是前面他自己的設備跟他的員工的專業訓練這個在國際組織都有這方面的要求跟我們檢討報告是不是可以改成書面報告 |
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好那謝謝署長的這個分享就是說第一個還是需要說我們所有的這個消防人員就在一定要先保護自己的安全是最重要的那我同意剛剛署長的回應那我就改組決議謝謝好所以將致令我們第九案改組決議是嗎好那請王鴻威委員發言 |
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第十五案 |
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我就把它改成主決議但是我在這邊我覺得還是要提出來我相信我們現場每一位委員都會關心這個議題就是呢地方的這個老舊消防車的汰換計畫因為它到今年結束到今年結束到目前為止我們沒有辦法確定有第三期的這個汰換計畫那其實每一個地方政府都非常需要的就是每個地方政府都需要 |
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所以在我們協調的時候署長說要給他一點時間給他一些時間他會來啟動第三期的計畫所以後來我就把這個本來是凍結所以我把它改成 |
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主決議所以我在這邊也希望包含署長跟部長能公開做一個說明讓我們地方政府比較安心這並不是只有台北市我相信每一個縣市都有老舊消防車的汰換一定都沒有汰換完成 |
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那這是第一個那第二個這個也是在我們協調的時候這個是一個建議啦這是一個建議就是我們現在在消防救災的過程裡面譬如說我們剛才討論了很多無人機那無人機在我們現實的這個救災的工作裡面我們已經看到它具體的成效那我在這邊要特別提到像機器狗 |
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現在各縣市以台北市有機器狗我們在就是去考察的時候有看到它其實長得不像狗啦但是它就是對 它就是一個我們姑且稱之它為機器狗那首長還說過去還有機器狗在殉職的情形 |
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因為現在很多的一些火災的現場譬如說過去有很多像是化學物的工廠我們過去都是我們第一線很多的消防同仁比如說他突然爆炸或者是他在救援的過程我們就會讓我們很多的消防人員處於一個非常危險的境地 |
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那現在我所了解就是機器狗在第一線的救援的時候他其實幫了很多很多的忙可是機器狗很貴啊要好幾百萬所以我在這邊呢我是具體建議未來就是說我們 |
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各縣市都有很多熱心的人士比如說宮廟啦或者一些善心人士他們都很願意來捐贈譬如說消防車或者是那個灑水車等等之類的那我覺得也可以把它導引為 |
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如果可以把這些善心人士這個名利無求嘛導引為能夠捐贈我們地方的這個消防局像有機器狗的話我覺得可以可以減少我們這個第一線消防人員他的這個危險我覺得這個是可以去做引導那當然機器狗不像這個救護車上面可以大大的寫著某某宮廟進鎮某某 |
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某某散心人事競爭但是我們用什麼樣的方式可以充實可以多增加一些機器狗我覺得這個對未來我們的這個消防救災的工作是非常有助益的好那回到第一點我是拜託署長跟部長能夠有一個公開的承諾好不好謝謝 |
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感謝委員這麼關心我們消防工作救災人員安全車輛部分補助到今年沒錯那天跟委員報告我們現在整個在盤點老舊車輛還有多少輛我跟部長報告就是這個車輛以往是用特同經費來做補助因為經費的調整以後 |
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可能我們嘗試啦就讓我們一點時間來嘗試就是可能用補助的方式多少比例或者用什麼方式來處理老舊消防車那地方政府相對他也要有一些經費的一個依註這個地方先跟我們報告 |
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張正的文言在垂詢說老舊聽色的問題部長上禮拜五也到竹山消防分隊去那竹山消防分隊就是老舊聽色我們有改善那團員反應非常好所以包括嘉義市 包括新北這邊都有很多的反應所以我們這個部分我們也是在盤點一下就老舊聽色 老舊消防車那用什麼方式在統籌分配稅款這邊調整以後用什麼機制來做檢討調整 |
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這跟委員報告我們這個給我們一點時間整個來盤點以後後續來處理當然對於無人救災機器人目前每一個縣市在過去一段時間每一個縣市至少有4部這已經到位那我更關心機械狗因為這個才出來那我們再盤點說到底機器人來救災效率比較好還是救災機械狗比較好 |
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目前看起來是機器人比較好而且它可以攝水而且熱影相遺或者無用氣體的偵測器這個讓我們已經有每一部縣市至少有四部就在機器人那上一次在嘉義縣就在機器人整個就沒有測出了 |
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還好是機器人選擇還好不是我們就在這個就是我們科技化院長所講的AI科技化的應用目前正在處理這個區塊那當然這樣的區塊就是容許給我們一點時間讓我們來做一個整個強化檢討 |
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那科技應用剛剛委員也是關心怎麼科技方式的救災包括AI的分析部長要求我們針對危險場所高中低度場所那些場所怎麼雲端化那怎麼樣把這些資訊AI化這個 |
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部長也支持給我們一個中程計畫目前正在執行當中期待救災用科技方式來救災用機器的方式來救災這是目前部長跟院長的一個政策簡單跟委員報告好 |
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謝委員的關心那個老舊消防車的車輛我們會再繼續提這個中程或是長程計畫但是不會只有消防車輛現在隨著那個這個科技的發達那個剛剛委員提到機器狗或者我們現在用的機器人其實我們現在大量在訓練無人機 |
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因為無人機在一開始防救災的時候訓練的速度也要非常的快才能夠減少災害的損失同時我們也會針對報案電話怎麼樣做比較好的處理也需要再做升級的處理所以整體的計畫就是像剛剛蕭署長說的給我們一點時間來做規劃至於不管是硬體上面的一個增加 |
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或者人的訓練我們要加在一起才可以就跟剛剛講了我們現在有很多新興的工廠出現新型的火災我們也必須要從其他世界各國知道說這個新型火災怎麼滅火像比如說鋰電池要滅一定是不能涉水 |
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那要怎麼處理像消防毯這些如果第一線的救災人員沒有辦法訓練好的話其實只會造成更多的傷亡所以是不是給我們比較多的時間我們把整體需要的包括新興科技的導入還有人員的計畫無人機或者是機器口或機器人等等這些全部把它放在裡面那我們再來提出來好嗎 |
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不行不行那個部長剛剛講的都非常重要但是我為什麼把這個太壞老舊消防車提出來因為呢它本來有第一期計劃第二期計劃今年年中第二期計劃就終止了 |
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那所以如果沒有第三期計劃的話現在很多地方的老舊的消防車那會隨著因為那個確實它的費用比較高一些那所以我主要focus在就是汰換老舊消防車這是每一個縣市都有的 |
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因為你講無人機也好或是我們剛剛講機器人機器狗這種科技救災那當然這個當然要要建制可是老舊消防車是目前已存在的我希望說要我直接講我希望要有第三期啦那當然第三期用什麼樣的補助的方式 |
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譬如說你要有地方的一些配合款我要講譬如我台北市也許我們是OK可是其他縣市我不知道其他縣市可能那對他來講又是一個財政的負擔但是我在這邊希望署長跟部長能夠承諾的就是要有第三期第二期嘎然而止那他剩下的老舊消防車他很難做處理 |
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對不對因為他有的話他們各縣市也比較可以去做他不管他是汰換呢還是新的構置他要不要把他報廢等等之類的他們也要有做規劃 |
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好不好我focus在對於地方車輛本身嘛好不好車輛本身的部分尤其是那個非六都因為我們消防署這邊六都的補助比較多一點而且已經汰換完成沒有沒有沒有完成喔繼續啦每年都會加一次沒有沒有完成喔 |
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不是不是落都已經完成我說我們的那個中程計劃應該處理的就是預算執行率已經就第二期結束啦還會再增加那那個可能我們會根據那個地形地物啦像剛剛今天早上那個王委員跟我講說他們那邊的火災因為是那個那個道路狹小 |
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大型的消防車根本沒辦法過去所以我們可能會要減小那個消防車的一個一個車輛的那個高度跟長度等等這些讓我們做一下這個處理我們現在大概就是說比較精緻的來處理有關消防車的太舊計畫好嗎我們會推出這個 |
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已經在調查了所以我意思就是說要有第三期啊好不好要有第三期不然第二期肝癌兒子大家都沒有了通通都沒有啊但是要縣市政府要支持但是116可能會縣市政府一定會支持啦一定會支持啦只是說你今天對他們如果要配合款到一個什麼程度好我們下面請王美惠委員發言 |
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就是在這裡,我跟保安說,因為到日期會降下很多在經過會議的時候,我們的 |
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所以說在這個規定當中 我覺得每一個地方的訴求不一樣像剛才希望說你能夠讓我們補助的時候 那世代的行業能夠進去因為當下最近那個廢銷的時候 |
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他來 民 他找不出來 還挑三個在過往的當中 我們企業生說我們這也是 還要去發聲這樣 還嚴格他就查了 才知道說 我們的水靈車是放在大雅路的他這條好像沒辦法進去所以我要保證 順序拜託說 因為所在不公 |
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醫療車也沒工,是不是可以在家裡補助,讓世代可以好好的入醫這是最重要的,拜託醫生 |
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好那我們消防署第二幕消防主席會有舉手嗎抱歉抱歉蘇嘉惠委員不好意思對因為既然講到這個消防車的汰換然後希望這個中央編預算那同時地方政府還要配合那我們當然也要為新北市講話一下因為如果再講到說地形地貌的不同變化 |
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那我想今天主席也是來自新北市特別知道我們真的是城市鄉村山上海邊真的是完全不同多面貌的狀況剛剛說巷子比較小的開什麼玩笑我中和永和巷子小成那個樣子誰要跟我們比誰能跟你們比對不對那我們也有這種超高級的摩天大樓也是多的不得了我們雲梯車夠嗎對不對這個 |
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中和眼看着超高大楼也是多的不得了所以我觉得如果真的要考虑这个补助的话我当然非常的支持与赞成这真的是支持哪一次不支持非常支持但是既然是这样的话我确实觉得在中央编列补助款项的时候应该要考虑地方的人口数 |
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以及地方的複雜程度也就是說未來在考慮這個補助的時候呢資源已經比較豐厚的地方甚至比較好的地方其實中央的補助要是多少這個比例應該要能夠重新算好還有像我們新北市的話老實講因為我們的服務人員太大了所以 |
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常常在計算從過這個內政部的從污水處理啊一直到這個消防車台數的狀況你把我整個新北市當成一個地方來說啊新北市已經獲得多少用這個跟其他縣市比我覺得這完全不公平啊我的地方那個城鄉差距那麼大 |
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我認為常常一個城市就已經比別的縣市還要多了那可不可以用這樣子來做比較用這樣子分區域來做爭取預算的狀況我覺得這都要列入考慮所以人口數還有我新北市自己這個內部的城鄉差距也應該要列入未來在中央編列預算的時候的基準所以我們支持預算但是縣市怎麼分配補助然後怎麼樣去討論這個我們要求要有機制來討論謝謝 |
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好 有要回應嗎 還是就遵照委員的意見去研議沒關係 部長留一個遵照辦理 或者是說你有非常同意列為會議記錄 未來我可以查詢 這樣可以你的時間 麥克風 |
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容許我們統籌調查完以後那可能明年度預算我們盤點確認可能要後年開始所以我們支持現在的預算沒有問題因為他在討論的是未來的方向明年來不及 |
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明年的部分來不及了就117年因為我們要調查數量剛才委員的一個需求指示的方向對所以你應該要求就是你現在拿著麥克風留下一下說我的意見很棒你會遵照這個研議後年的議案感謝我們支持我們全力來完成委員的期待方向來執行謝謝對謝謝委員很棒好那目前我們還有11案嘛 |
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十二十七有凍結案公路委員有要還是就是美會委員一百萬都併美會委員一百萬嗎主席在這裡要破壞的錢我相信每一棟都沒有 |
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但是在這個過程當中,我跟署長說的因為你的地方沒工,你的訴求也沒工,東西也沒工所以在這個過程當中,我都覺得北省要注意會加電但是我們的署長這邊,你跟他說要了解就要了解 |
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我們是很認真的,不想了解到最後,不知道當時遙遙無期跟我們報告,今年剛才有報告通訊指揮車每一個縣市我們都一定會到位後勤照顧車也今年會進到明年會到位,通訊指揮車 |
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對 指揮車經營的代委跟某個縣市相較有1台相較1台那現在 署長我現在要跟你說當然我們要我們自己的故鄉跟日子但是這個炮灰是全台灣都適同的跟你說1台 我要請問的 跟日子到現在有沒有 |
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今年開始配發數量會看我們縣市的一個狀況這個大家都已經盤點過通訊指揮車會到位無人機今年開始會有到位機器人每個縣市已經都有四部 |
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這個部分都已經有到位無人機應該會是未來的一個重點我們期待是每個分隊都有無人機這個配置博定要求說無人機的操作所的訓練這個我們同步在進行當中 |
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那上一次的馬太安溪的一個案例事實上也給我們認證說在消防裡面用途很好而且效率很高這個部分委員關心的事情我們會來執行那明慧委員關心的加一室的狀況是不是容許會後我們把整個數量盤點以後那配合委員時間跟委員做一個提報這個不然有大人說你做得到那做得到之後時間點就是交測時間點我們再跟委員報告一下是不是可以這樣子 |
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那後勤照護車另外我們剛才講太熱熱傷害目前已經有六部有六個縣市有後勤照護車那未來在明年最慢後年每個縣市至少會有一部後勤照護車這個都是已經列入計畫那交車的時候我們再跟委員分別報告什麼時候會在縣市交這個後勤照護車那個通訊指揮車這個部分我們再分別跟下去委員做一個提報 |
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其實署長我這樣子其實很不滿意我真的以為說給你一點時間可是給你一點時間是代表明年就沒有沒有我意思說我們救災其實很全面的心事的當然要建置所以你預算我們都OK所以預算的編列就是這樣子啊不是啦那我意思說因為你現在這種汰換就是你現有的救護車的汰換那你明年等於說一毛錢都沒有啦 |
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我聽起來就變成明年一毛錢都沒有你通行救護車一個先是一台或者是後勤指揮車一個先這個都是剛才我們解決現階段的要通訊整合還有什麼就是這個後勤照護的可是現有的老舊的救護車怎麼辦 |
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我們買了以後都要一年以後才會交車那個不是馬上馬上有的所以啊所以你明年一毛錢都沒有你去今年其實今年已經差不多就沒了嘛跟委員報告啦他有一年半的時間都沒有辦法有交換車下台車不是說你時間夠就不能用啦所以我能夠 |
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前面委員就說超過15年的量我們會把它統計出來那15年量即使明年沒有那後年我們還是為了15年才可以統計出來你那個你現在調查結果什麼時候還沒出來這個月會出來這個月會出來好吧你這個到時候提供給我們 |
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內政委員會的委員嘛只要超過那個年份的我們就沒有那麼自私喔不會說你只要給我台北就好說實在有些財政更艱苦的縣市他可能更需要貸款了說實在剛才那個志倫委員一直在講說有些老舊的這個廳舍那當時沒有爭取到預算現在根本就連預算都沒有 |
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因為我要市長、縣長去爭取,他說一定沒有啦我希望你們先把調查結果提供給我們委員,先做一個參考好不好我是覺得一毛都沒有,對地方 |
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老實說啦我們可能有一些我剛剛講有些善心人士他們可能還願意接住可是真的有一些財政比較差的縣市他們可能這樣的資源都很少啦對不對可是救災的時候真的是救災應該是第一啊我始終這樣認為就像無人機發展你看我們講說無人機 |
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從我們內政委員會從海巡到消防到警政我們所有的無人機全部都支持我們這邊在座所有的我們那個國民黨全部支持啊為什麼呢因為救災很重要防災很重要我們海巡監測很重要海域搜救很重要我們都很了解重要的事情我們一定都支持嘛 |
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就拜託為什麼我們對消防署你看最後你來我也不是看在你的面子我都願意把它改成組決議但是問題是我們有一些還是我們需要爭取的部分當然看到新的部分但是老舊的部分我們也要照顧好不好最後一毛錢都沒有我覺得 |
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說不過去啦跟委員報告其實縣市政府他也做消防車的汰換不是藉由中央補助那跟委員報告就是我們盤點完以後資料我們會送給委員的了解說到底有多少量我們再把它做一個後續的處理是 |
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我覺得大家講的都有道理但我覺得署長你這樣子的回答大家會有誤會我覺得方向都一致但我覺得你們要去盤點要去什麼那你們要跟所有委員報告是說你在未來的幾年你可能要編多少的預算可以買多少然後怎麼去分配然後讓全省 |
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這一個全台灣都有一個公平的然後有需要的對不對我覺得你去擬一個計畫來然後大概這樣跟大家說的委員說一下這樣子問題都解決了而不是你這樣一直講你這樣講大家 |
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越聽越灰我覺得這樣子不好啦我覺得你朝著 試著朝這樣去做所有的委員都會支持你的預算我剛剛聽起來大家都是要支持預算啊你就這樣子弄一個幾年汰換的計畫然後把這個錢編下去大家委員都會支持啊 這樣不就好了這樣問題就解決了嘛好不好對嘛 好 所以我們現在趕快回來處理這一幕 |
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這一幕,王美惠委員你要...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我...我... |
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好那我們第二幕消防救災業務所有的委員提案有關預算的部分並按凍結100萬元那書面資料給本會後使的凍資那剛剛警政署說他們都一個月你們比照嘛一個月好消防署對啦好消防署也比照我們警政署一個月好那就其餘的組結率也都依照這個文字來通過 |
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好 那我們要進行第三幕港務消防業務第三幕我改組決議好 那第三幕港務消防業務全數改組決議通過 |
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第四幕 特種搜查業務抱歉喔 第四幕 特種搜查業務那樣張宏祿委員第三期啊你博弈改組決議嘛齁 札瑋改組決議好 那我也改組決議好 第四幕喔 全數都改為組決議通過 |
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好那最後要進行組決議的部分這個可能宣告之前還有沒有委員好蘇喬瑞委員好我想表示一下這個這個我在第38案提到的這個部分那這個文字看起來是 |
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因為是正式的用語所以是很長大家可能比較不容易理解但是其實我們就是希望說我們所有的這種防災設備等等它如果能夠要作為一個登錄申報的時候是不是可以有全國統一的狀況因為現在實務的狀況是 |
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各個縣市自己自行掌理所以各個縣市可能會有不同的申報程序好 那實務上就是什麼呢就是據我的了解我們跟第一線的這種消防設備師討論過後他同一支滅火器 |
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在嘉義市因為已經審查通過他很棒他是一個OK安全的是一個滅火器可是呢他到了新北市來以後他又要重新再審核一次那我們就覺得這很沒有道理啊這個已經是經過交經濟部認證的一個合格的滅火器然後在嘉義市也已經通報過一次了來新北市 |
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還要再通報一次那甚至是比照到高雄市等等其他的也還要再一次我們覺得這個很沒有沒有必要的行政程序啊所以我們是期待能夠建置一個平台那也很高興聽到說消防署這邊本來就有這樣的計畫所以我們才會用主決議的方式提出希望要求期程的支息那我們是不是可以請署長在這裡公開說明一下 |
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感謝委員追尋我們上一次找設備師的一個討論的項目我們也知道這個事情我們現在正在建設火災預防資訊系統要把M5這個系統做一個平台目前這個案子已經在執行當中最慢在116年可以完成所以委員上一次開會的那些議題我們會把那些議題那設備師的期待跟問題我們納入這個系統來做一個開發 |
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明年對 明年會完成 |
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我們請常常盡快期待年終可以完成,然後下半年可以整個來示範是,謝謝委員這個要拖到116,這麼簡單的事情不是啊,這個是行政跟你弄那些而已啊這為什麼要這麼久還是要建一個網站還就是全部又外包,又去弄一個新的又這樣子,我就覺得你這樣稀,效率真的有點差啊 |
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再快一點啦小蠻明年中可以完成看能不能今年就可以有一個Phototype出來然後明年可以來做 |
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委員關心啦,我來確定一下事情,加速示範我的話是明年年中加碼張宏錄期要推進半年,這樣才顯出張宏錄的份量一定保守因為縣市政府每個人的工作進度會比較不一樣有的時候直轄市很快,但是有一些縣市會比較慢一點要請委員多體諒,我們盡量加快啦如果加多快,我們就再跟我們報告 |
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好,那我們主決議案第45案李柏毅召委已經改文字修正嘛對不對?那...與那個基金委員的46-48級、51-53級委員跟區委員有些小的文字我們再跟委員報告,他有...會後我們再跟他報告怎麼會後處理?你講什麼?你不要說會後 |
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他就沒在這裡,你們讓他溝通溝通,跟他們想要來現場,跟他們現場,他沒來,我們就吵架吵架徐議員今天早上有來,剛剛來的時候也沒有表達意義 |
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有達成協議部分還是尊重好不好?因為不然的話為什麼委員還要尊重?沒有問題啦因為他說因為有達成協議的部分他沒有簽名因為他是本人啦,本人要簽名我們才敢 |
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主黨都說了 趕快處長辦事 |
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好 那在這邊宣告 主決議部分38至55萬均為主決議那除39至41以及45 照文字修正通過與詔案通過好 各位是不是有意見沒有 沒有意見 好 那就依照剛才宣告通過好 再來好 下一個下一個單位是移民署 |
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我們開始進行移民署的預算審查的協商那收入部分第二款罰款及賠償收入我們第一案改組決議 |
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這個當然經過這個移民署來跟我溝通那我願意讓移民署有更多的空間那其實我這邊主要是增加這個罰款收入用意就是在我們大家都知道在我們機場因為我們現在確實這個逃跑的這個外籍移工很多那再加上有一些外國人來台灣就是詐騙 |
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這個部分其實非常嚴重第一個就是逃跑的外籍移工所以你現在勞動部他們在一些申請移工的時候其實現在各行各業都在缺工真的都在缺工 |
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那但是呢在討論到外籍移工的時候就一定相對討論可是問題現在逃跑的外籍移工在台灣的數量非常非常大那大概就是估計有將近十萬那這個部分另外就是 |
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就是外國人到台灣涉及詐騙的這個也在增加我知道其實移民署也非常辛苦啦真的是很辛苦在外面就是我們覺得警消員員辛苦移民署的同仁在外面在稽查的時候也很辛苦啊也常常會受到這個人身的這個攻擊那可能會受傷所以這個部分但是我們還是希望能夠加強查緝 |
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這個部分就雖然改成主決議還是麻煩移民署在這個部分能多加把勁以上謝謝署長要回應嗎還是遵照委員的建議辦理好那我們移民署第二款罰款及賠償收入那第一案就改組決議通過那說出部分 |
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第七項我們移民署這個案號二的部分黃委員有要補充說明嗎好那就一樣第二案改組決議通過第一幕一般行政第三案撤案這個我就改組決議了就整幕這樣就處理了第一幕一般行政第三案撤案第四第五案都改組決議通過第二幕入出國籍移民管理業務 |
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第九案撤案第十七案撤案因此我們還有第八案第十五、第十六我講一下我十九案、二十一案、二十二案我都改組決議了但是我對移民署的一個業務我必須要講一下請你們持續的去推動 |
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我們在英國入境的時候其實移民署做得很好你在歐洲在英國入境台灣的排序叫First Track它等於僅次於用人臉辨識可以直接入境英國 |
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那我想這一個成績非常多國人還不知道那一天喬委會的主委徐家青主委他也不知道他也第一次使用到那我知道這次移民署經過相當的努力去跟很多這些國際不管是有沒有邦交的國家大部分是沒有邦交的國家去促成的希望 |
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所以我在裡面的第19案裡面就是針對我們移民署秘書輪調的這些案件其實我凍結的用意是要鼓勵移民署相關的業務要多去推廣而且要宣傳謝謝 |
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因為凍結是為了鼓勵我們,你可不可以不要凍結?沒有,我已經改組決議好,署長有要回應嗎?不用不用喔?讓部長知道,很厲害 |
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那第十五十六 黃路委員我是這樣子啦齁 其實移民署也是真的很辛苦啦他們在地方上有的外勞都比他們還強悍的這是事實啊 比你們還強悍啦齁那因為啊 這個高軍委員齁 他們這一個還 還 欸 |
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有一個動300萬的,我不知道你們是怎麼樣?欸,告經委員這個案子他是針對那個不是不是不是,不用講內容嘿,啊你們同意是不是? |
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我們有去溝通他已經簽名了當然能夠對 |
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好啦,那如果...那個...不好意思喔,這個消防署、警政署都說一個月內就也讓一個月內,OK,好好好好啦,那如果你們是有這樣的話,那就冰案處理啊,凍結三百萬這樣好不好,整幕處理啦好,那第二幕,第二幕錄出國籍移民管理業務第九案、第十七案、其餘冰案 |
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凍結300萬元那提出面報告後使得凍資那一樣是一個月內那與主決議就按照文字通過好 第三目第23項車案 |
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好最後主決議的部分有委員要有些部分要先跟移民署做溝通嗎好那主決議部分 |
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二十四至三十四案主決議三十二及三十四案這案通過其餘再文字修正通過沒有異議啊沒有好那接下來我們先調整一下吧因為移民署的那個署長那邊我們後面有一個新住民發展基金會新住民發展基金附屬單位預算是不是就一併處理這個人就不要動來動去了這本這本大家找到嗎 |
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我現在進行新住民發展基金附屬單位的預算協商 |
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那基金來源部分委員無相關提案那用途部分共六案第五案撤案那第一案翁小玲委員有要發言嗎 |
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有關於新住民發展基金會的沒宣費這裡這次我是提案要刪減 |
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1500萬然後並且凍結500萬那麼主要的理由如下主要是說是這個新住民對不起這個新住民發展基金會他們114年的法定預算是4400 |
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4428万那么事实上他连续两年的执行率都没有达到七成我先讲他连续两年执行率没有达到七成那么在115年他们又编列了4947万比去年多增加了518万 |
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成長幅度是11.7%那麼因為就是前兩年它本身的執行率本來就不高就沒有達到七成那今年呢又再多編列了518萬所以呢本席認為說沒有必要要花這麼多的錢去做沒宣費更何況那麼依據 |
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移民署所提供給我的相關資料我要這邊做補充他們把這個沒宣費那麼去做製作電視節目就花2200萬然後新聞網站的維運花1200萬那製作廣播電台的節目也是花了六七百萬那麼 |
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但是在整個的梅宣的效益上面來說基本上成果很差我隨便看了一個新著名的YT的節目4月30號所發布的只有60個人觀賞次數基本上都很低所以我不認為說發展基金會他們要編這麼高額的 |
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沒宣費因此我這裡是提案就是3-1500萬然後並且凍結500萬好 署長要先說明嗎 |
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這個我先做一個補充說明其實112年跟113年連續兩年的執行率為達7成那個當初跟標案跟預算通過的時間有關係那其實在114年的時候我們的執行率已經拉高到99.83 |
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所以114年是99.83那另外這裡要補充做一個報告就是說其實在這個115年編列的4900萬的這個沒宣費裡面其實我們已經核定補助了這個4500萬 |
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其實絕大多數都是補助給所謂的民間團體那這裡並且這個已經發包的這些東西如果說涉及到這個要刪減到1500萬 |
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那這個部分可能會造成這個履約責任的一個問題啦所以這裡也跟委員這個報告說明就是說希望是不是能夠因為同樣這個沒宣費的案子因為那個王薇委員也已經有刪減了我們300萬那這個部分是不是能夠並於考量以上我聽到署長這樣說我是想說您這個您待在署長有多久時間了 |
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去年的5月8日上任所以您不了解整個預算這個使用的狀況嗎在我們的預算沒有審定之前你怎麼可以就已經發包然後超過你的預算金額你去年的法定預算只有4428萬你如果說你在這個去年的預算裡面呢去做合理的使用也不可能是有超過4500萬的發包啊所以履約的部分是你們自己要去承擔因為你們這是已經違法作業了 |
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對 如果按照你剛剛的說法的話因為它是屬於基金預算啦它是屬於基金預算啦所以基金預算就不是預算法的約束了嗎因為它不是所謂的新興計畫它不是所謂新興計畫我現在不是講新興計畫我現在講的是常態性的計畫這跟新興計畫無關所以在常態性計畫裡面的話你們就算是可以去使用預算也不可以超過你們去年的法定預算 |
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所以你剛剛所說的你們已經發報了4500萬的這個語言計畫我感到非常的訝異啊這不可以這麼做的你們都先斬後奏你們有那麼大的信心認為說這次的基金預算一定會如你們所編列的通過嗎對按照過去我們沒宣費本來就會刪來那個會計單位可不可以說明先說明一下 |
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就剛剛署長講的這個4500萬的實際的數字金額大概因為這個是那個4500多萬是我們那個基金管理會核定去補助團體的這些數字那補助了以後他們其實才能再去發包所以不是契約金額就是不是說是我們那個契約一定要看他補助的執行情形他才會再來核銷 |
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是所以我要講嘛就是說你們就算是不管是補助給民間團體什麼你們應該要在法定預算金額之內去做補助可是看起來也然看現在看起來你們就是超過了嘛對不對我們你們說基金管理委員會的核定可是還是要遵守預算法的規定啊 |
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不是嗎那個申請核定的他們都會提前來申請不是主任你現在這個不了解我們現在講的這個問題之所在你們核定計畫沒有問題但是你們核定的總經費額度不能超出4428萬 |
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就算是我們今年的預算審查是有遲延但是你們可以先行運用的預算是不能夠超過4428萬的所以我才說你們已經先斬後奏了是不是怎麼可以說你們經濟管理委員會已經合併補出4500萬 |
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講對事情,我沒有講對人在這兩天的二、三、六天,我們之前都沒信因為這個項目是久的,延續一直做的,不是新的所以在這個過程當中,認為說跟你們說還沒信了,要不然還可以八十、八百 |
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是這個認知啦 我覺得大家互相啦不要說我們自己 結果現在再說你違法像行政院那天 院長說的你說沒有喔 我們有給你喔但是像今天這樣審理 你如果說一開去說過去 關什麼人 過去負責啦所以我是覺得 |
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這個東西要開、要用,我們也是要有合情理,要不然合情理的當中,我要讓我們的董事說,開,這不是開,就開而已 |
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謝謝委員支持我來解釋一下我們跟大家報告一下第一個這是基金預算基金預算跟我們一般在公務預算上面說你一定要三讀通過其實它的審核程序不一樣因為我們發展基金委員會裡面在申請的補助案的部分目前為止我們仍然是按照114年的4400多萬來做補助 |
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那如果委員覺得說這樣的執行方式並不符合委員的需求要簡列的話我們可以來參考一下但是一切都是合規定的 |
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剛剛其實都講了就是你這個依照114年度的法定預算的額度去執行那麼也是最多執行八成嘛對不對你們剛剛講執行八成那你4428萬乘以八成是多少也不過4100萬左右吧是那你們現在都已經這個合併了4500萬的計畫 |
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不是發包就是他補助的部分我剛問我們的會計他是說在前一年因為有一點盈餘所以他把這個盈餘再把它貼上去所以就差一兩百萬這樣子可以用這個盈餘貼補上去嗎他是基金預算他是基金預算他不是公務預算 |
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但是基本上來說我現在審的是新住民發展基金所以這個基金的預算跟沒宣費有關所以我聽不太懂你們的意思你們的公務預算是指移民署的公務預算還是指新住民 |
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委員會的預算還是捐月 主要是這個跟沒捐預算對基金預算是那總之就是說現在就是剛署長這裡報告看起來你們就是已經多核定出去了我會用力的我會用力的他可能是想申請他可能是想申請的時候所以有方式 |
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好,一人一人講,兩人一起講 |
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民間團體來申請基金的一個計劃的時候他可能都是在年初他就開始來申請那申請的時候他會有一個預備的金額就是說他一個初估的金額然後我們會根據他的金額我們會再進入基金的審查會我們會 |
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一階段一階段的來做這個實際上需要支出那我們依照過去的一個經驗這個支出呢有可能他的當時他報的金額會是需要委員審查之後就是我們的基金委員審查之後會有一定比例的一個就是一個簡列所以他真正最後 |
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他支出的金額會比原來合定的總金額會少掉約莫一成這個也是民間的團體在跟我們在申請的時候一個常態性的作業我們也希望基金能夠充分運用所以我們會抓到比較精準的一個最後執行率 |
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好那我想我就是還是回到我們的預算的這個刪減數那麼事實上就是簡單來說第一個我認為說你們一百一十五年編列的沒宣費用太高了太高了然後第二個是以過去的我們看到執行率其實沒有那麼高所以再加上在你們的運用的部分我也認為說有些地方是要檢討的你們新聞網站的維運一千兩百萬等於說你們每個月的維運費就一百萬這個已經是超過一般的 |
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合理的價格了只是違運喔所以呢實質上真的是沒有必要花這麼多錢所以呢我這邊是建議就是說刪一千五百萬那剛剛是說黃河委員那邊已經刪了三百萬了是嗎是三百萬好那如果這樣的話那我這裡可以刪一千兩百萬那還是說 |
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對 因為事實上是不合理的那署長你們自己 檢討一下吧檢討一下你們認為多少是足夠我先說一下齁我覺得 不好意思齁你們的回答齁 |
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你這個基金預算你們很多的都是人家來申請人家什麼每年是固定的人家年初就申請但你們的委員會只是通過核准這一個申請案但實際上的執行的預算數是要變成它實際有多少才有你們應該要這樣很清楚的回答而且這是每年都有的你也不可能不准他申請 |
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但你們的這一個絕對沒有超過你們的基金的預算數吧絕對沒有嘛所以你們要講兩個重點一個就是每年固定來申請的你們不可能不准人家申請但實際執行數要看多少第二個你們絕對沒有超過這個基金的額度你們要這個很清楚的講給委員清楚 |
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對不對這樣子嘛這樣子大家都清楚那你今天如果說這個大家都要如果說刪太多明年你們是不是就變成說或這是今年人家申請的你們怎麼給你們是不是如果今天這樣你們馬上要發文說這個所有的這個你們都不能申請了要取消這個後果你要跟所有委員講啊 |
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如果今天沒有過的話,你們是不是馬上要發文了?所以我取消我擔心的是這個喔你們都沒有說喔我只要跟你們提醒,你們要說喔黃外委員先 |
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這個部分因為那個移民署有跟我達成協議我覺得我是很有服務心來的但是我要告訴大家剛剛也沒再講說因為從今年年初就會有不同的民間團體來跟你們申請那如果我們今天這樣刪掉了之後這些民間團體我們是不是要去告訴那邊沒有了對不對 |
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那我先講一下我們現在審查的是什麼是沒宣費是沒宣費不是一般的補助案所以我不懂為什麼你們一直都要混淆視聽這個是沒宣費那如果說很多民間團體來跟你申請我請問是哪一個民間團體來跟你申請呢 |
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非常多的新住民團體他們為了要能夠宣導新住民姐妹讓更多的人知道他們在幫助對 黃瑋文的意思是說你講的方向應該是補助 |
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那是補助啊那我直接講為什麼我對於新竹你可以看到因為我一直都會對沒宣費都會很關注可是前面我們有幾個單位其實我都改成主決議就包含過去警政署別說以所謂的打詐預算 |
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一個標案 一個媒宣的標案三四千萬 將近四千萬只標給一個媒體就是民視 |
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所以那時候我就質疑當時的警政署打架重不重要很重要但是你一個這麼大包只標給一個單一媒體我就有意見所以其實這幾年警政署在在沒宣譽他們沒宣譽的人仍然很多可是我應該記得我這次沒有我沒有刪他一毛錢 |
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但是呢他的打架的這個梅軒的預算他就在各個領域裡面我看到他的那個這個信我覺得就他的分布比較合理所以你在這邊一直在講說很多的新住民團體來背書誰呢來背書你的梅軒預算我跟大家報告一下喔比如說以112年度112年度我們這個基金的梅軒的預算 |
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3963萬然後民視一家拿2923萬一家媒體超過七成所以你拿很多的民間團體但是最後就是一家民視啊113年113年一樣你們有所謂的新住民影音計時報導計畫這裡面大概就是說你要報導可能很多不同的團體 |
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但是也只有兩個媒體民視跟三立民視三立在你113年的八成六 將近九成我就不懂了如果像這種即時報導只有三立跟民視能做嗎這是112 113再來115到116年度又是只有兩家媒體民視跟三立 |
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過度集中的問題 |
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所以我要講就是說在我們討論這個沒宣費後來呢你沒有來跟我協調那我說我們基本上支持對於新住民團體的一些相關的報導相關的宣傳還有他們一些活動他們的一些文化的活動的生活技術我們通通都支持但是在你執行的時候當我看到 |
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這樣如此集中在特定媒體而且是連續這麼多年從112年而且你們已經發報到116年了不是嗎通通都是過度集中所以我後來以這個刪除300萬但我知道後來為什麼你們也願意啦因為那個歐小林委員要刪的是1500萬嘛 |
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對我來講 我願意給你們機會在未來就上警政署一下你們未來在執行 因為這個金額很大不小欸你看齁 一整個什麼消防署也不過只有幾百萬欸消防署工作量有多大他們的沒學費 我印象裡面應該不超過一千萬欸 |
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那你們 你們都是三四千萬的在編 在執行欸那你花到哪裡去了你都只給特地媒體合理嗎 很不合理吧所以我覺得今天既然我們要討論我覺得很多東西就要浮在檯面上讓大家知道你們是怎麼編這個預算你們是怎麼執行這個預算而我們今天提出三重預算不是不是無地放矢啊 |
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所以我要講說我們在審預算的過程裡面各個單位他的編的合理他執行的合理我們沒有不支持的道理可是我告訴你你們這種執行起來你怎麼告訴我你們每一個都告訴我我們都是循正常的招標程序啊怎麼正常的招標每一年就是這樣特地的媒體來我就不懂啊警政署為什麼都可以把它改變 |
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你看警政署這一次我看到我就覺得OK啊我都覺得願意支持啊好不好所以這個部分啊當然我的部分我已經跟你們達成協議了嘛我也不會跟動啦 |
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我就是希望說以後你們在執行的時候能夠不要這樣的集中給特定媒體好不好好我先講一下我一併講完再請署長回答其實呢我基本上我有請新住民發展基金會有提供資料我們看到了這個新住民影音計畫報導計畫這是委託給民間跟民視跟三立的這去年就是補助給他們2,257萬然後呢接下來還有一個是給一個影 |
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医奶科技公司跟范科学知识公司分别他们标案是1657万和1836万我要讲的是事实上他的没宣费说好听刚刚就是大家讲说补助给我们新住民的姐妹们或新住民的团体去申请那个补助没宣的计划那个都只有10万元然后呢7万元最多可能34万元 |
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金額很少所以你們其實大部分的沒宣費都是補助給民視 三立還有什麼一乃科技 泛科技還有央廣央廣每年也補助給他們560萬那麼真正說要去做什麼多元文化新住民子女多元文化培育營1萬元然後移民節8萬元新住民子女的逐夢計畫27萬元 |
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然後新住民的培育與獎助絕金計畫7萬元新住民培力發展資訊網站的專服務計畫是347,000元所以不要再混淆視聽 |
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真的給我們新住民團體能夠申請到補助的每一宣計劃的錢是非常少的比例很少大部分都是給了民視三立還有特定的公司以及央廣等等那麼所以呢本席在這裡所提出來要刪減這些預算不是沒有道理而且這都是你們自己提供給我的資料過度集中就像剛剛王洪文委員說的過度集中嘛 |
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然後你的效益也不好所以在這個情況之下刪除一千萬我覺得都不為過那以上我的說明報告委員謝謝委員的關心那這裡我要再補充做一個報告其實我在去年的5月28號上任之後其實針對這一次委員的這個提案我們有去調閱相關的資料其實 |
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在確實在前幾年都是屬於民視跟這個那個三立但是在我們我去看那個投標的那個標案裡面其實 |
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確實只有這兩家來投標沒有其他公司來投標啦當然這個我也問過我們的負責發包招標的我們的秘書士他們是說其實在之前他們也有去邀標但是是真的沒有其他廠商來真的只有這兩家廠商所以連續這幾年裡面是發生這樣子的一個狀況並不是因為說我們發包給特定廠商而是真的沒有其他廠商來 |
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參加標案所以這裡要補充做一個報告第二個部分就是說這個我們在前幾天發現到有這樣的情形的部分我們已經開始來著手規劃來調整自播的這種所謂的需求跟所謂的這個自播的規格的一些招標文件那我們希望能夠在下個年度裡面我們能夠再來這個 |
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持續的邀標那希望能夠有其他的廠商來做投標啦那這個也是我們希望這個我們能夠一步一步的來努力改進希望委員給我們機會來給我們支持 以上好那我是針對這個樹木來做討論因為剛剛翁委員有提一千萬也不為過那一千萬的部分我們署長 |
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我們併案啦我們併案現在討論的數字就是併案啦那1000你們看你們今年度有改善 |
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委員我想您剛才看到的資料裡面呈現一個感覺上好像有特定的媒體有比較多的金額那是因為那是我們在目前新住民唯一的一個電視節目我想委員可能也有看過我們一家人這是一個帶狀節目目前新住民能夠幫他們發聲讓他們的一個就是在台灣的一個被尊重跟價值 |
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能夠讓就是我們一般的民眾能夠看見的電視節目剩下的一些民間的團體他們來申請多半都是就是小型的廣播地方的廣播都不是全國性的所以我們會著力在比較多的部分就是因為我們希望透過一些主流的媒體把一些的就是電視的一些訊息可以讓 |
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可以不好意思可以讓民眾能夠輕易的打開電視就看到那當然我們也有注意到我們在不管是就是特定的媒體這個部分我們也透過這個委員給我們的一個指教其實我們將來也會擴大去邀約讓更多的媒體願意參與新住民 |
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那新住民的聲音呢很困難我們移民署非常努力的想要利用各種的計畫或者是廣播或者是電視各種的媒體我們都願意去把新住民的這個在台灣台灣對於他們的一個保護跟尊重跟推廣那所以希望委員在這邊給我們一些的 |
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機會希望能夠讓那個預算的金額能夠小幅度的刪減我們不希望新住民感受到說他們的權益在立法院的一個保障有受到大幅的真的我真的聽不下去了好像我們今天處理預算又變成我們在欺負新住民了嗎這個怎麼聽得下去呢 |
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現在就是推動整個新住民委員會成立的我們的委員張志倫委員在這邊我們大家都很關心新住民我剛才不想講的是你們本來就在集中在特定媒體那當然你今天講的說你希望你所謂的主流難道我們主流媒體只有兩家嗎換來換去永遠是這兩家嗎我知道不是啊 |
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沒有 為什麼別人 我上次原住民委員會就同樣上次原住民委員會的狀況就是這樣為什麼後來就沒有人來飆了原住民委員會也是集中在一家民事啊不是嗎然後他 對 他就說沒有人來飆為什麼沒有人來飆 他知道賠飆哦他知道你就是 你就已經給我鎖定綁定這一家了後來慢慢慢慢大家都就退下來了前面還有別人來飆 後來就沒有人來飆了 |
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所以你講這種話我們就聽不下去喔我建議我們醫護單位就你回答好像委員會不太能夠不太滿意我們的說明啦你們就不用說明那麼多了我們來討論數字 |
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綠基本上也只有七成八成而已包委員那是一二跟一一三我們一一四年已經達到九十九點八三三八百動兩百啦好不好三八百動兩百好 那就看紅衛委員這邊怎麼樣對 經備案處理好那兩百是要用書面的報告指的通知經書面報告 經統一指的通知 |
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都一個月內好不好然後我們是尊重召委才是但是我還是要表達嚴重抗議但我們在處理預算的時候不要這樣講好不好我們剛提出這麼多的理由 |
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對然後另外我也希望能夠增加給真的新住民團體的沒宣費而不是這次的錢又變成說全部都再去給三立民事好不好因為我剛剛講了你們真的補助給新住民的獎勵的基金什麼獎學金都是只有十萬七萬等等這次拜託要真的把錢沒宣費多補助給新住民團體我想委員會會支持 |
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好 那主席我異性一定都支持的啦不像你這樣喔 抬得很恐怖最主要是三億跟平時來飆啦今天如果北京來飆喔就不用怕到要三萬多了啦就我們都過了啦好 那我們新住民發展基金會附屬單位預算我們基金用途部分除第五案 撤案 |
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漁兵案漁兵案檢列800萬元凍結200萬元那凍結部分一個月內請新住民發展基金會提出署名報告後使得動之好那我們就進行空中勤務總隊的預算 |
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最主要可以獎賀退一副啦不然你叫我這裡 阿世都坐在這裡你今天有溝通有生意嗎 |
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好我們課中勤務總隊的預算協商說出部分第九項課中勤務總隊第一幕一班行政那我們就有三案第三案紅綠委員來這個我改組決議好我們第一幕一班行政 |
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商案都改為主決議 照這個章通過第二幕空中勤務業務就是第四案第五案我們洪路委員是不是有要說我也改主決議 |
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好那第二幕空中勤務總隊四到十一案全數改為主決議通過那最後面我們進行主決議的處理那在處理之前第十七案撤案先跟委員報告那有沒有委員有要跟業務單位這邊做一些意見交流的好如果沒有的話我們第十二到十七的主決議案第十七案撤案 |
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十二以及十四到十六案照文字修正通過第十三案照案通過以上 |
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好 謝謝 |
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是要幫你們講話 才提案的是是是 謝謝不然我們內政委員會沒有案子就不能提案了嗎 |
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請問各位委員討論事項第一案至第五案有委員提案的部分照剛才協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議沒有好通過 |
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那本次通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理好115年度中央政府總預算案關於警政署及所屬中央警察大學消防署及所屬移民署空中勤務總隊部分115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款消防署及所屬移民署警政署及所屬部分 |
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一五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金新住民發展基金警察消防海巡移民空情人員及邪情名利安全基金一五年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金在校學生獎學基金 |
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劉竹昇先生警察子女獎學基金成員獎學基金均已審查完略你據審查報告並同本委員會審查之其他各部會審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會 |
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內政部韓送財團法人台灣省義勇人員安全技術基金會財團法人警察學術研究基金會財團法人義勇消防人員安全技術基金會等三家財團法人115年度預算書審查完略 |
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你據審查報告提報院會公決不需交由黨團協商並推請本席與院會討論時補充說明那內政部預算審查完畢後先行離席換場休息後接續處理陸委會部分那我們就休息到1點半接續審查陸委會以上好休息 |
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順利 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢大家 |
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谢谢观看 |
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谢谢观看 |
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好繼續開會現在繼續進行第6案至第8案的寫商那我們先請黃秘書宣讀115年度大陸委員會稅務預算第二款罰款及平衡收入第19項大陸委員會5列數第4款成產收入第20項大陸委員會558,000元第7款其他收入第20項大陸委員會36,000元稅出部分 |
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第十五項大陸委員會十億四千五百四十六萬八千元第一幕一般行政五億一百億三萬五千元第二幕綜合規劃業務兩千九百八十九萬六千元第三幕經濟業務兩千九百一十三萬九千元第四幕法政業務兩億七千九百八十三萬一千元 |
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第五目港澳蒙藏業務一億三千四百萬一千元第六目聯絡業務三千零六十一萬四千元第七目地域備金兩百萬元第八目文教業務三千八百八十五萬兩千元大陸委員會主管財團法人海峽交流基金會一百一十五年度預算工作計畫部分因依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整 |
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收入3億3198萬2千元支出3億4460萬2千元本期轉出1262萬元大陸委員會主管財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算工作計畫部分依依據收入與支出審查結果隨從調整收入3346萬8千元支出3351萬8千元本期轉出5萬元 繼續宣讀提案 |
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立案財產收入部分 |
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第十五 第十五項大陸委員會為第二到第四案第一幕一般行政為第五到第九案第二幕綜合規劃約務為第十到第十六案第三幕經濟約務為第十七到二十二案第四幕法政約務為二十三到三十四案第五幕港澳盟章約務為三十五至四十五案第六幕聯合約務為四六至五十三案第七幕第一預備金 |
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委員提案 第八目文教約務為第54至61案主決議部分為62至65案財團法人海峽交流基金會部分支出暨提案16案財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會支出部分提案暨一案 宣讀完畢 |
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首先介紹這三位委員及列席官員首先介紹我們李柏毅召委好 王美惠委員黃潔委員黃潔委員 張志龍委員翁曉琳委員我們接著介紹列席官員大陸委員會主任委員邱垂正主委 |
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主任秘書葉凱平財團法人海霞家族基金會蘇嘉全董事長羅文嘉副董事長兼秘書長財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會賴秀如董事長行政院主計總處公務預算處李培元專門委員 |
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好那我們現在開始協商,那我們要先處理陸委會嗎?還是你們認為海基會的要先處理?因為海基會的預算比較少,那我們就先處理海基會 |
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好我們現在開始進行115年度財團法人海峽交流基金會預算委員提案的協商喔那輸入部分沒有相關提案我們就直接進行到支出的部分那就有一些改組決議啦那我們就先讓委員針對自己的有關提案來做發言請業務單位來做回應那哪位委員要先 |
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王美蕙委員在這裡我有提案這就是海基會一百十五年的編制裡面派人去中國的經濟有三百八十九萬九千用這個海基會跟中國的交流跟他參謀 |
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會不會有推動,到現在我們這裡限制了所以議程執行日是不是拜託改水捷 |
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向委員會來做報告其實目前我們赴對岸來進行出訪或是參加會議其實仍在進行中他當然並不像過去那麼頻繁但是在過去兩年14年還15年的上半年其實都在進行中那之所以我沒有對外發布 |
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消息也是基於說我們是追求能夠順利然後獲得彼此能夠達到一些事務的解決為主所以沒有對外這個發布說我們去了多少人去了哪些人的原因所以這些其實是在執行當中所以這些向各位做報告好那智能委員提案有要說明的部分嗎 |
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還是歐小林委員現在不用沒有我們就全部序號全部 |
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好那麼我這邊我提的是編號第五案那有關於就是海基會這裡的特別費那本席這裡提出的是基於就是國家現在整體的經費支出龐大那麼所以政府應該量入為出因此提案就是刪減首長特別費好那麼40萬因為這個特別費不是一個必要的支出 |
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是可以嗎好好好那我就把我的案子都先講完那接下來是第八案是有關於海基會在文教業務下面的這個業務費他們今年編列的預算是2965萬那麼同樣的也是基於就是國家的經費大幅的提高那麼同時現在兩岸的交流數量日漸萎縮那國人子女相關業務經費 |
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卻還編列國外旅費所以這個部分基本上與兩岸的業務無關而且兩岸人身的安全以及疾難救助的相關業務對於有效解決安全與疾難的定義也不清楚也沒有看到相關的成果數據所以提案就是簡列該項預算1800萬並且凍結100萬然後還有一個 |
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在第十案裡面是針對經貿業務下面的業務費事實上就是我們的海峽交流基金會 |
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加強台商聯繫服務業務的項目的預算編列國外旅費但是呢這國外旅費卻不包含大陸旅費這也很奇怪這兩岸交流不是就是海基會應該要做的事情但是在整個的這個聯繫費用在聯繫的業務費裡面卻沒有編列這個去大陸的旅費 |
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那么同时呢就是现在其实当前双方政府在互不交流的情况之下其实两岸交流的这个业务无法发挥一定的效能那么要如何保障台商权益那么其实大家也没有一个清楚的方向所以呢我在这里提出就是减列500万并且冻结100万 |
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那么在第13案里面也是在综合业务下的这个业务费它原列编的是243万左右那么因为海基会目前的这三大任务当中基本上并没有包括研究以及配合政府说明的部分那么更何况就是海基会在过去在官网上面所公布的研究报告基本上很少112年只有一案110年是一案等等的 |
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那麼所以就這個部分來講對於就是海基會所做的研究報告根本沒有一個固定的發布的規則也沒有管考制度那麼由於這個部分也不是海基會的任務我們也不知道成效不知道如何管考所以呢就簡列這個七應該是七百萬我簡列七百萬 |
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好然後第15案的部分那有關於海基會所編列的兩岸溝通協調聯繫交流業務底下的業務費他編列預算是250萬那麼同樣的也是就整個的新聞的發布交流等等的其實海基會自己就可以做了也不需要再編列這相關的預算所以我在這裡基於就是政府預算遵截使用簡列200萬好這以上我的提案說明 |
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我想因為雖然說在支出的部分是一案一案一到十六案個別分列啦但是原則上還是有相同類型的啦那我們就先依照相同類型的先來做處理那我們就先針對媒體偵測及業務宣導費這應該是單獨一項啦那保安委員有要補充說明的嗎 |
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沒宣費的部分他們來做這個文字修正那我基本上同意所以我想這個應該應該海基會沒有什麼問題吧所以是凍結5%還是凍結5%然後然後就是書面報告就是在凍結好那需要一的部分 |
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媒體政策及業務宣導費就依王宏威委員的提案做文字修正那凍結5%那待書面報告後適合動之那今天早上的其他單位都是一個月看你要三個月還一個月就一個月好一樣那就一個月好那第二項剛剛王美惠委員有先說明了那業務單位也有做回應了這部分 |
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坦白講向主委其實凍結我們預算經過大院三讀通過可能到八九月了那馬上就十二月其實凍結其實對業務單位真的執行上其實反而會多生不變啦這個或是是不是我們能夠好的 |
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該主決議我們一個主決議的文字來參考好不好好 第二項我們先保留請業務單位跟王委員這邊來協調一下那第三案開始就是一般行政那應該是到第五案嘛345我們就一併來討論那剛剛歐小林委員有做說明的嘛那張志倫委員 |
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我提的案子就是第四案一般行政業務裡面就是說現在海基會的人員目前預算原額是111名目前是有編列臨時人員跟工讀生的經費是585萬 |
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那我想說現在兩岸交流持續低迷的情況下那為確保這個政府運用資源有效運用避免人力配置重疊所以我這邊只是說提凍結300萬那請海基會針對這個人力編制跟內部人員工作差異在一個月內向內政委員會提出素面報告後此的凍結就是就是說要請你們寫報告跟我們講一下說這個 |
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臨時人員跟正式人員的差異跟需要的目的這樣子書面報告後就指的動之以上你們協商過了吧 協商過了可以按照這個這個協議這個協商結果來辦理 那還有張宏陸委員的編號3 |
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好的那我的案就跟張志倫委員一起併案處理了好那就剩下三次就併案嘛三次併案就凍結三百那第五案特別費檢列的部分我想特別費檢列你們先回憶一下剛剛我先說一下你們的使用狀況好了 |
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首長特別費就按照比照行政院辦理這部分所以也按照選舉的規定來辦理 |
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就像我讲的这个特别费不是一个必要支出的费用而且我们也没有看到就海基会在过去这些年的这个首长的表现有特别好所以我想减列40万也只是合理而已了并不是说是全砍所以呢这边的话我是认为说就是减列40万 |
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我想我直接回文委員這個首長特別費都行政院各部會各相關的一律都這樣辦理這個海基位並沒有獨特之處那使用的按照相關的規定那如果文委員覺得說是董事長或我表現不好所以要砍這實在對我們來講這個有失公允好像這個表現不好所以處罰這個3BCD |
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那事實上我特別向海基會 向委員講你提到說兩岸海基會在因為2016年以來沒有正式的協商但事實上喔我們在業務報告的時候也跟委員會報告我們每一年現在處理槍火案件是年年增加次數 件數都在增加當中所以工作人員並沒有因為兩岸兩會制度性的協商暫停而停止這些工作內容那這點請您特別了解 謝謝 |
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你們的工作的表現跟特別費沒有什麼極大的關係啦工作表現好本來就應該了不然的話我們成立海基會要做什麼那麼另外就說就像我們說的其實在各個機關的這個特別費基本上都還砍了蠻多的大概到七成像去年我記得這個行政院院長特別費大概也都是八九成然後監察院幾乎都全砍所以就這個部分來講的話應該就是大家各部會機關首長特別費要尊潔使用所以就是簡列四十萬 |
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我想我回答因為這個市長跟民事長在用嘛對不對?是兩位嘛 |
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我覺得啦除非首長有特別的或什麼一般很少人在特別這樣子啦我們內政委員會如果從以前到現在慣例除非這個首長有特別的讓人家覺得不處理不行的事情不然我覺得這個太針對個人啦我倒覺得 |
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很多像剛剛這些凍結什麼的我們都也是尊重委員但如果這個我倒覺得是不是可以不要處理所以張委員的意思就是說我的意思是講說還是這個案子就保留送協商 |
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如果可以在這邊大家講不要處理就不要處理啦我覺得這樣是最好啦我就講白一點除非是這個秘書長或什麼有很對不起你那你說出來我們支持你我想這是一個制度性的問題我這也不是說特別是針對董事長跟副董事長那麼事實上就是就像我講的整個國家政府的支出 |
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大幅的增加各方面的經費使用除非是必要性的費用否則的話非必要性的本來就可以予以這個尊潔使用那麼減滅40萬我覺得並不過分連一半都還不到就相對於其他部會來講的話特別費會多全刪的 |
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這樣就是基本上就說現在我們這個海陸兩會就是因為確實我們相關的這個大陸就是對中國大陸方面的一些業務其實縮減的非常多但是我持平而論 |
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我這邊的論我覺得略略會跟海基會來說海基會其實因為海基會第一個董事長是剛剛接任董事長剛剛接任那到目前為止我覺得他的談話我是還我沒有看到什麼太出格的地方那我們秘書長這個 |
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目前看起來我也沒有覺得太出格的地方啊所以我會願意幫他們做一點爭取啊因為這跟陸委會真的差很多啦你知道還有還有人幫這兩天還有幫那個陸委會來跟我在協商說沒關係啊海基會沒有關係啊你看海基會沒意見啊那是陸委會那我越聽越火大好不好所以也基於這樣子我願意幫海基會來來 |
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來爭取一下啦我是覺得這兩位首長到目前為止啊他們的這個原型不像陸委會真的是太誇張了所以是不是請秘書長再說明一下我們大概去年的預算的執行大概分成哪些大項再怎麼使用好不好讓委員謝謝其實特別費海基會是編列95萬 |
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那主要用在員工同仁的靠賞獎勵還有相關一些這個這個比如說有人送禮回個禮或給予婚商喜慶等等禮貌上其實金額算不多這確實是用在相關規定上了 |
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那這樣的話我也不堅持但是還是要減因為就像我們說的其他的部會機關都有刪這個部分的話是不是我們就跟就是減個兩成就是減20萬從減裂40萬到20萬就像我說的這個全部的部會機關的首長特別費都有刪減而且刪減的幅度高達七八成以上 |
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事實上海基會的董事長是剛剛有王委員已經幫海基會董事長跟秘書長說話可是就我看來我也不覺得有特別針對兩岸交流還有我們現在在台灣的陸配或是台商有更積極的去爭取或維護他們的權益反而都是配合陸委會 |
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在聽命行事我們就再觀察一下我們新任董事長上任後的一個作為啦你簡略二十萬也不會過吧我來幫幫那個我來幫我來幫他們講個話啦 |
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當過首長或地方政府首長其實也都很清楚這個特別費通常拿來做什麼呢尤其是都是員工或者是同事有什麼事情的話婚喪喜慶砍20%就等於說以後婚喪喜慶打八折或者是花送小一點或者是紅包兩千變錢浪 |
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這樣有沒有意義大家來思考一下啦那我是覺得可以給他們一點機會是不是可以先用凍結然後我們再來讓這個董事長跟民主黨他們有這個空間可以對同仁也好一點可以促進這些業務啦 謝謝 |
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我其實一直很反對這種說法就是把特別費拿來作為是犒賞員工婚喪喜慶之用其實這個應該是屬於各個首長他基於對於員工的情誼他可以願意自己按這個量入為出然後來支出的那麼事實上就是這個一直在強調的就是我們很多的錢要用在刀口上我們今天不是說是不同意給首長特別費 |
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而是認為說這個特別費編例95萬太高了海基會董事長一個月的薪水有多少20萬以上吧請問海基會董事長現在薪水編例是多少錢一個月 |
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我想其實這跟他的薪資多少真的沒有關係特別是制度是全國中央到地方是 所以我就想說現在是制度所以你並沒有全談還是認為說應該要節約使用嘛對不對 從前面40萬一直到現在其實我建議教育不然我們這案子就送保留好了保留送協商等級的案子一起做好 那第五案如果沒有公示的話我們就保留好不好 那就是三四案的部分 |
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我們那個合併處理齁 併案處理那就凍結300萬元我們就凍一般行政啦好不好就不要在行政義務下面了我們就凍一般行政這個項目然後順便報告後時流動資 一樣一個月好那接下來我們處理第六案開始就是兩案失誤啦那有分文教經貿等等我們先從文教開始好了還是紅綠委員你要先針對整個大項目做說明嗎 |
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我建議啦,也不用再分什麼文教經貿了啦就整個處理啦,這樣比較快啦因為都差不多啦都是兩岸事務啦,就全部給他到時候看怎樣就全部一起處理一起併案啦好,那有委員要再補充發言了嗎?因為剛剛委員有給過一些意見了還是要補充說明? |
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如果沒有的話我們讓秘書長先做個回應吧有關張志倫 張委員或張文貴委員等我們在溝通的時候大概都有些共識那文委員這邊在溝通過的人中我們提供很多的詳細的說明資訊但是一直沒有結論說能夠在現場來做處理那現場也有機會能夠當面跟文委員做報告其實海警會存兩岸事務分別為文教 經貿還有法律 集団救助等等 |
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其實每一項的業務支出費用都不高但每一項之所以編因為確實有實際的需要因為你沒有實際需要我們每年的決算你就看得出來他執行率就會有問題那這些包含比如說文教業務我們辦的東林營夏令營台商子女夏令營那 |
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去年我們停止辦是20年來唯一一次的停止辦是因為去年的預算收入大幅刪減所以我們被迫停止那今年停止之後呢其實台商也好各界的反應也非常希望我們能夠再辦所以今年我們再也恢復辦理那海基會的同仁呢在經費有限狀況下努力把工作的做好 |
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那台商子女夏令營東令營都備受歡迎就20年來他一直都是很重要很受歡迎的所以能夠希望翁委員如果支持兩岸在這個議題上我們鼓勵台商子女回到台灣在暑假寒假回到台灣能夠更加認識台灣更加了解台灣這對兩岸的互動是件正面的事情那其次在急難救助的部分最近這幾年我們很多過去30年前20年前去到 |
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大陸經營這個投資他們因為時代的變遷產業經營環境改變很多其實現在狀況不是很好那不是很好狀況他在中國各省有些其實就變成所謂有所謂台流就無人照顧然後必須在當地的社會服務機構醫院 |
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那這些透過在當地的台湯協會和台辦他們希望他們能夠回到台灣來所以我們海基會是目前政府中唯一在扮演這個角色的協助他們尋找親家屬協助他們回來台灣那這工作都是隨著現在這個時間點是越來越多那其次國人到中國大陸發生急難事情的時候海基會設一個24小時的電話 |
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這是台灣政府部門唯一一個政府部門有24小時隨時在stand by你有任何緊急狀況打電話的時候我們有專人立即處理那這些案件的統計數字都可以追蹤都可以查那也再提出說透過小三通醫療後送 |
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的計劃費用每一項都是逐項編列逐項有有記錄所以懇請吳委員能夠具體務實的認識了解這些事情他跟政治沒有關係他就基於人道在處理兩岸人民需要解決的問題 |
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如果把這筆錢刪了那這個事情就停擺了停擺了也許在國人或政治的舞台上不會被看見因為他們是不會被看見的一群就被忽略一群但是政府當然有海基會20年來做這件事情我認為應該做下去不因為政黨不因為政黨意識形態也不應該隨執政就放棄這些基於人道要做的所以懇請歐委員這五個案能夠了解能夠支持 |
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謝謝秘書長說明我要強調我是非常非常支持兩岸交流的但是很可惜民進黨政府執政這十年我們沒有看到兩岸有交流反而都是阻斷交流那麼這是我感到很遺憾的事情那麼當然我今天我審查這個海基會的預算我們不是說沒有做功課我們也希望說海基會能夠提出更具體的報告說明包含你們說有辦了夏令營東令營然後有多少的學生參加等等我沒有看到一個具體的數字 |
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你們沒有給我一個報告說你們到底辦了一些什麼樣的活動然後參加的人數有多少對 那至於就說是你們協助在國人在大陸滯留的部分那實際上有多少人有多少的這個處理那麼你現在又提供這個波打專線然後配合在陸委會弄一個什麼急難救助平台實際上使用的人非常非常少 |
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那麼所以我的意思是講說在這些費用在你們所編的這些項目裡面事實上 |
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應該要提出更具體可說服我們委員不要刪除你們的預算可以維持你們的預算的一個清楚的報告那現在我覺得很可笑的是說我們去索資陸委會不給行政院不給海基會呢這是因為預算書的部分然後提供的資料也是不清不楚這讓我們立法委員要怎麼去審查你的預算所以你是不能怪我是要怪你們整體的作業出了什麼樣大的問題 |
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對 否則的話我覺得政府的預算不能夠這樣子亂花 亂用報告 問問委員在過去兩個禮拜或一個月內我們的國會的聯絡處的同仁我們的業務單位同仁幾乎常常都到櫃辦公室那櫃辦公室的主任也很認真也有跟我討論我們一定會做說明不夠的再回來補資料只要不夠的再來其實我常常晚上開他們在加班假日在加班尤其在今天要開會期間 |
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一直在夾白紙提供資料我要說的是我們同仁很認真很誠懇跟您或你的辦公室報告這每一項職業人數相關資料這是非常認真而且我剛才說你剛才前面說民進黨如何組織加油我一直說在海基會這件事情他不管哪個政黨這些在做事基於人道服務如果我們認為這件事應該做他不應該認為政黨哪一個政黨只剩哪一個政黨在野 |
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而影響 那我應該支持這個預算應該支持更多的預算 |
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坦白講 海基會的人很少 海基會的人很...我們集團救助就是啊 集團救助難道不是跟兩岸交流有關係嗎台磷要救那邊台磷有關係嗎海基會有沒有什麼可以數據化的東西可以在書面補充的資料可以給...我說上禮拜我就提出說要一些數據 可是到現在為止我都沒有收到 |
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我們的數據資料都有提供我們的業務報告也都有詳細說明為了你們要來做了解今天一個人說海基會國家預算不夠海基會交流不夠我認為坦白講這交代不過去啦因為我們支持交流更應該支持海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
19286.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
19313.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
健康有序的交流更應該支持好機會不要這樣子啦那我們幹嘛在那邊審預算呢每次在談預算就說你就不支持誰就不支持誰那我們幹嘛來審預算我們這些大家部分黨派議員在提案在了解預算是幹嘛呢 通通是不支持嗎不要每次都這種話術啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
19314.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
19316.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
我們通常幾乎每個禮拜都在加班,我講真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
19344.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
19349.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
有一些資料可能是比較自信的敘述啦可能是比較想要數據化 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
19374.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
19392.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
對呀,然後大陸的盤哨,一般盤哨是三萬塊錢的,這樣三個盤哨對,對,對,我們回來上課對,所以這樣說,其實就你們這個支持人,你們就已經是跟同事做到非常近的距離所以不知道哪個學校你們會派什麼課 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
19396.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
19424.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
因為你們都是很濃烘 超級濃烘我們本來高潮的是說是就說你到你時間到了你辦了幾個地址分別在哪一邊我怎麼知道你們說的是真的還是是假的我也要去查核對我完全非常非常支持支持你們辦的所有的跟大陸的韓商學生回來的有關的發動但是呢你必須要把這些活動獎金 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
19426.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
19426.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
還要錄的會啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
19442.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
19446.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
放心啦,我不會對你們亂來的我看能不能協商一個數字出來啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
19466.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
19468.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
下午開會我沒有買咖啡 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
19496.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
19502.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
剛吃完中餐要到五點 我們三點 四點再給趕快請問一下 會搞到什麼所以我們今年還第一段關係我們還開公共飯所以我們也沒有在運營那一段 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
19526.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
19526.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
哇 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
19538.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
19539.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
好 好 那就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
19564.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
19574.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
四輪四輪四輪的那個咧五百萬是有協調好了嗎OK大部分資料其實應該都說了他們希望數據化啦我們當時需要說更長的時間對啊這樣好了我們還是 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
19590.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
19606.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
主要主要是山,然後機會不少遊動,好不好?我覺得就是說,站在前面整體機關警配,我們配就是少,但是呢,就是提亮一點,對?一時差,路啊,反正要被困難啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
19607.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
19610.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
四輪提供三檢疫苗,是可以代替?個人?中國人? |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
19635.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
19647.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
就一般行政一層啦不是不是不是講錯了這個喔對對對沒有沒有不行不行沒有沒有沒有不是不是我看錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
19662.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
19662.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
對 絕對是 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
19678.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
19705.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
完全沒有資質啊資質怎麼會在那個群眾資質怎麼會有資質啊從過去來講沒有一個清楚的數字如果你給我時間我可以逐項逐項的說明所以事實上今天這樣子逐項我基本上就完全能接受可是我之前你看你們寫的就不是啊就是這樣子很籠統的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
19708.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
19735.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
很籠統的啊 我怎麼知道對不對 因為我不是說3G預算認真預算 部長我告訴你 你知道嗎我為了看這些預算書 我也很認真的大家都很認真 不是你認真的而已是 大家講書都很認真的好 好 好我先保留來幾個好不好對 對 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
19750.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
19751.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
那我們就先收保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
19765.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
19770.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
一定講得很有道理啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
19790.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
19814.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
好我們繼續協商,那我先補充一下剛剛的第二案王美惠委員提案部分改組決議,OK嗎,雙方都OK好那一般行政下面的第五案第八案第十案第十三案及第十五案保留送協商其餘部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
19817.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
19842.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
其餘部分你們有協商好凍結500萬嘛對不對第七案好那就有關處理兩岸事務的全部提案就保留協商這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
19859.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
19872.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
主決議就是照主決議我看這樣主席你猜試一下就是主決議的那個就改主決議如果保留剛剛有說的那幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
19873.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
19897.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
那幾案是要不要保留還是要處理?全部都保留嗎?好我重新宣告第二項從兩案事務開始除除兩案事務除第九項第九案第十一案第十二案第十四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
19900.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
19916.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
該組決議通過之外其餘的提案送協商處理以上有沒有異議沒有好那我們接續處理第16案設備不好意思應該是保留送協商處理要保留送協商處理處理兩個字你剛沒有講到保留 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
19923.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
19941.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
好 剛剛除了剛剛有宣告改組決議以外其他提案保留送協商處理好 我們第16案改組決議也沒問題嘛好 那第16案就改組決議好 那海基會的協商就到這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
19955.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
19964.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
19966.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
19968.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
台港文化策定會的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
19993.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
20007.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
他是在海軍會後面那就晚一點再處理啦對 海軍會後面先陸委會先陸委會後面陸委會先喔陸委會先喔好 陸委會先陸委會先回來回來對啊 這是他們的基金啊所以一定是在後面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
20031.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
20047.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
好 我們現在進行大陸委員會的預算協商那我們先從稅務部分開始第四款財產收入 第一案那個網紅外圍委員有提政令 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
20049.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
20069.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
好這個部分說明一下就是有關於我這個財產收入的部分那他現在是編五十五萬六千塊那倒是算在一百一十四年度的決算書他的收入就已經到五十八萬三千兩百一十塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
20070.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
20092.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
所以就說顯然這個財產收入他編列的過於保守這是第一就說其實決算數他就已經達到58萬3千多塊那這個部分後來陸委會給我的資料是說他們可以同意就是把預算數這個收入的部分提高到60萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
20094.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
20111.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
這個部分當然謝謝陸委會他能夠同意但是他的理由裡面其中之一是說要增加員工停車位的租金收入 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
20111.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
20136.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
那大家可以看到其實全部編列就是提案增加的也不過四萬四千塊而你決算數事實上已經達到五十八萬三千兩百一十塊那我認為雖然陸委會覺得可以提高這個租金收入但是呢卻要向員工增加這個停車位的租金收入我覺得大可不必 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
20136.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
20165.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
所以我在這邊就說基本上呢我還是維持但是也希望如果會在實際執行的時候在這個員工的部分你們也沒有給員工什麼加薪嘛對不對所以在員工的停車位收入部分就不需要反正的話呢到時候又說是王宏威要讓我們提高這個停車費然後再找一堆這個我們這個員工那又過來來出征我或罵我真的就大可不必 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
20165.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
20187.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
全部只有增加四萬四千塊以上謝謝委員謝謝委員的指教因為決算確實可以達到五十八萬那我們盡量來努力謝謝那我們願意入列我們稅出增加的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
20188.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
20216.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
至於那個有關於我們員工停車會的租金收入的提增是基於有需要者來付費那付費的標準也就是我們現在的不過委員是擔心這個不必要的這種爭議那我們內部來檢討那我們同意委員的做法就是不要到時候又跟員工說這都是王宏威來提高的委員不會好不好 委員不會 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
20218.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
20242.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
好那第四款財產收入部分就照案通過財產收入財產資期資金收入增列4萬4千元好那我們進行稅出部分喔稅出部分我們先從第二案到第四案先行討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
20250.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
20258.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
首先針對陸委會這次的沒宣費本席這裡的基於以下幾個理由認為要全刪第一個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
20262.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
20265.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
陸委會他115年編列了1294.8萬就等於是1295萬元的沒宣費那比去年114年呢增加了578.8萬元成長幅度高達80.8%我們知道其實中央政府總預算這個已經舉在 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
20285.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
20300.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
就是已經大幅的增加而且舉債高達4000多億政府本來就應該量入為出那更何況其實陸委會哪需要沒宣這陸委會主委副主委你們自己講的可能就比媒體宣傳要好了所以本席認為說這整個的這個費用都應該可以大幅應該這個不需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
20305.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
20328.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
浪費這筆錢去支出所以呢就這邊提案全山因為如果說陸委會的政策這個基本上是每家新聞媒體都希望趕快搶著報的尤其是如果說能夠拿到獨家新聞的話所以這個發新聞應該不用花到媒宣費那麼這個部分的話就是提案全山好那王宏威委員有要發言嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
20332.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
20341.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我這個部分也有做處理我主要處理的部分就是在新增預算的部分因為翁曉林委員的提案是全數刪除那我是就他比前一年度增加的這個578萬8千塊予以刪除因為我覺得在以過去的這個陸委會的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
20356.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
20367.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
大家並不會認為 若會想要表達的沒有媒體宣傳的效果所以真的並不需要再多花這些的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
20368.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
20387.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
那另外即便是114年度那可能大家就為什麼要增加那麼多呢一定又說沒錢啊不夠啊等等之類啊那但是呢其實在114年度它的執行率也不過81.22% |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
20390.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
20408.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
也只有達八成而已所以看起來即便是以去年度的那個預算他還有兩成是有餘裕空間的所以但是我沒有把那兩成也刪掉我還把它保留下來那所以我就是刪除的部分就是他新增的部分以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
20409.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
20437.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
讓主委回應說明一下智倫委員有要說嗎?沒有嗎?協商過後了好那就麻煩主委好謝謝翁委員謝謝王委員的指教那有關於陸委會的明星費用那事實上我們一直覺得金額實在不夠面對中國大陸鋪天蓋地的認知作戰那事實上我們要維護國人的權益我們要呼籲國人要提醒賦入的這些風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
20438.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
20453.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我們雖然同仁們自己來經營各種的網路平台我們都沒有任何廣告費用剛剛有提到我們的執行率只有81.2是因為去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
20454.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
20468.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
由於三幅過大而且拿到預算之後執行的時間真的很有限來不及把它充分的執行那只要有時間我們同仁都可以充分的把它落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
20470.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
20484.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
尤其是全數減劣事實上今年的預算現在已經上半年上半年我們也把原本的這些預算也已經有支列 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
20484.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
20508.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
在這個會簽署的部分也已經有各種的使用那所以如果全部刪除的話我們同仁將無法處理這個全部刪除的這個限時我們也請委員能夠給陸委會一些很基本的這些宣導的費用我們一定爭決 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
20510.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
20525.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
準決預算的使用 針對中共對台灣的這些認知作戰我們為了維護民主的防衛機制 一些必須要的開銷也請委員支持 謝謝請問一下你們現在已經支出了多少我們這個增加的不是增加 我是說你不是講說你們現在到六月為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
20536.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
20545.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
來 包委員如果用114年度我們執行率來計算執行是27%因為預算還沒有3度如果是用114年的決算數的話我目前已經執行是60% |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
20557.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
20565.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
那如果用115年就今年的預算的話我目前是27%因為還沒有三讀所以必須受到一定的節制 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
20567.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
20587.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
好那麼如果說是在這樣的一個情況之下因為確實我們今年的預算審查比較晚所以你們有些費用已經開始在使用了所以我全數刪除勢必會影響到你們的作業那我認為說我這邊的話我可以就同意就是少刪那麼但是我還是要提醒就是說陸委會不要那麼有自信 |
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你們認為說你們的預算是都會過關嗎然後在我們還沒有審查預算的時候你們就已經開始這個支出使用不過現在聽起來還好你們只有大概支出差不多三成左右對不對二十七三成左右那麼所以呢至少三你們一半或是四成三成六成都不為過嗎對我就不全數刪除各位換你們的陸委會主委啊副主委啊還有你們的幕僚單位以及民進黨委員都可以幫你們做沒宣的 |
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對 你們他們都是非常好的好 沒關係 那我們有共識就是針對數額的部分來討論嘛至少我們陸委會比新住民基金會還守規矩啦剛剛新住民基金會是比較誇張的一點啦那就金額的部分有我們陸委會這邊經理有個 |
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就是去年是716萬的法定預算那麼如果說因為你們現在已經使用了將近三成了沒有你們已經使用了三成716的六成1294的三成然後呢所以大概是多少錢600 |
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包圍我是不是可以三百多萬嘛對不對所以我們基本上三個七百萬是OK的那就不要全刪啦不是啦我覺得啦不會啦他們去年也都要做啊這個我看就保留啦送協商啦好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊好啊 |
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我當然會希望支持我的這個案子嘛因為我是按照就是說你增加的部分但是維持你在114年度的這個預算的規模如果這個陸委會覺得OK的話這我再請那個小林副委員支持因為如果你也不要的話那就送協商 |
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陸委會其實剛有講還是有很多希望可以呼籲國民的一些事情所以顯然去年度的預算是不夠的那如果照我也想要這兩個委員的提案一個全部減列一個減列578我當然想要選少的但是選少的就是沒有辦法做得更好所以我們建議就保留協商好了 |
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好 陸委會的意見也是保留送協商好 那我們說出部分就是委員提案編號2343案就保留送協商那我們接下來進行第一幕 一般行政一般行政有站紅陸委員跟黃衛委員有在場嗎哪位委員要先說明 |
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第一幕我先把就是有關於對大陸地區旅費的部分一併來講好了這樣子不要節省時間我在各幕的部分我都有陳述刪除大陸地區的旅費因為我想這也是基於就是 |
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20803.317 |
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就是聽從洛爾會的對外的說明因為洛爾會在對外別包含我們的各公務人員還有我們的公教人員都會覺得說盡量減少赴大陸 |
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20835.377 |
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然後呢又說因為有一些他說這六會很多次都強調說因為國人赴大陸頻頻遭到國安單位不當的盤查甚至限制人身的自由甚至扣留基於為邦不入的風險評估 |
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那既然就是陸委會都覺得為幫不辱也都希望說我們各部會公務人員也能夠遵守那我覺得可以帶示範的作用因為你不能說一方面你一直在對其他的公務人員說為幫不辱你不要去你不要去然後你們自己又在各個單位通通編預算你們一直去你們一直去所以我們剛剛講其實最好的媒宣是什麼呢 |
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20866.114 |
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如果會覺得中國大陸很危險 為幫不辱自己把這些相關的預算而且這也不是你們砍的 是我們砍的就是通通刪除那我相信這樣的一個宣傳的效果絕對比你在這邊花錢做媒體宣傳更好這個是我先做這樣的說明第二個就是有關於特別費的部分 |
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20906.154 |
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那特別費的預算我提案的刪減那第一個當然就是大家也知道最近發生的有關於就是陸委會這個就是陸委會副主委 |
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20906.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
20911.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
有那個梁文傑副主委提到有關於這個包含這個勞慶林縣長這個或者是我們地方的農業團體在這個就是在行銷 |
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20951.645 |
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地方的農產品地方的水果這種講法呢就是傷害農民感情甚至呢王文傑副主委在6月18號在你們的記者會在你們記者會說這個鳳梨世家台灣人幾乎根本都不吃那這個當然大家都知道引起了軒然大波使得很多農民因此覺得非常的不滿而且也覺得很受傷 |
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20972.501 |
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這甚至並不僅僅只是國民黨籍的像饒慶齡覺得這樣的說法是很不當的包含陳英委員大家也都看到召開了記者會拉著梁文傑一起來吃世家冰淇淋 |
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然後那很多還有就是說包含我們的主委啊跟那個副主委都提到一些地方這個農民團體甚至說要讓農業部查處 |
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那農業部其實也是在農業部對話說明我看到農業部說其實他們非常的歡迎也非常支持農民把農產品水果賣出去賣到中國大陸他們其實也是支持的 |
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21004.395 |
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21008.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
但是呢陸委會呢要求他們查處所以他們針對說他們賣到這個大陸地區賣到這個就是在這個海峽論壇是不是呢變成是變成是統戰所以呢也要來做查處 |
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21025.641 |
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那這些其實我認為這些的言論跟行為都是不當的因為我們要講也許你對縣市首長你覺得有分顏色但是我們必須要講地方農業團體不要給他分顏色更不要說地方的農產品也不要給他分顏色 |
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21066.799 |
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所以這就是為什麼我提出要這個檢列特別費我覺得如果因為甚至這一陣子的這個風暴有很多人都還講說過去像這樣子嚴重失言連民進黨的民意代表都覺得失言的這種言論或者是行為那其實部會首長恐怕都要負行政責任政治責任 |
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那結果這次呢也只是出來道歉而已但是我覺得我們竟然在這段時間在處理這個陸委會的預算所以我覺得必須在這個特別費的部分應該予以做處理所以我剛才海基會雖然歐小林委員提案刪除海基會的行政首長的特別費但是我也願意幫他們講話 |
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這個我基本上不是分政黨 海基會的很多的業務基本上我覺得他們做的也不夠 或者是就是並不理想但是我覺得不管是現在的蘇嘉遜等於是剛剛上來嘛 |
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還有連交秘書長雖然我覺得他在那邊義憤填膺我覺得不適當但是他過去的這樣的一些言行我認為沒有嚴重到說我們必須去處理特別費可是我覺得最近陸委會的表現 |
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真的不管對農民來講或農民團體或者一般老百姓沒有辦法理解為什麼農民團體他不過就是要去賣水果也要被查處我們政府可以查水表到這種程度嗎所以我覺得這個是原形是極為不當應該要再特別費作處理以上 |
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我先這樣子好不好那個王委員你這個第九案我們先不要那個啦齁那前面的就只剩您跟我的案子了啦齁我們第一幕如果把第九案把它先排除我們這個啊是不是第一幕這個我們就是啊你那個大陸地區旅費 |
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你第八案要處理我現在就是要再講就是說你第八案你跟我們我們是不是第九案先不要處理那我們就這樣子來個凍結50萬來處理吧因為你後面的你下面的各個業務裡面我看了一下你也都有大陸地區旅費我把所有我們各單位的大陸地區的旅費 |
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通通都有做處理這是你們自己講的為幫不務 |
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如果這個大陸地區旅費我也不佔用大家時間我要告訴大家為什麼我要處理這個大陸地區旅費我就不要10個案子我講10次浪費大家時間那基本上你可以通通做保留因為我們會再做處理那你們今天如果會帶回去你比如說你覺得檢列多少你可以 |
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你可以覺得提出來我可以接受那也許我們在之後的去處理就一次把它處理完完畢否則我們今天卡在這邊就會變得你不是只有這一幕下面好幾幕都有所以我就說我也是節省大家時間那至於這個特別費的部分不可能不做處理洪委員抱歉我不能不做處理我們先讓主委針對道路旅費來做個說明好不好好 |
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謝謝王委員指教有關於陸委會編列的大陸旅費雖然我們一再呼籲我們軍公教的朋友尤其要赴陸旅遊的話要注意安全不是說他們不能去而是要完成請假程序 |
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另外我們身為陸委會我們有許多在跟中國大陸進行交流協商溝通的事情截至目前為止我們仍然有隨團附路去進行溝通的需要另外這些詳細的部分我想我們再找機會跟王委員報告此外我們港澳 |
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港澳的部分我們最近有讓我們港澳的僱員回到台灣來述職還有進行交流那我們在香港有44位僱員還有澳門也有十幾位僱員回到台灣來像今年是第一次回來那他也是用大陸旅費那我們 |
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入委會也時常會到港澳兩個駐地進行業務的訪視那這也是用到有關於大陸旅費的問題所以我們確實有實際的支出 |
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雖然違反不入但是如果會去保衛國家安全維護國人權益我們都應該要前往我們政府有必要去跟中國大陸進行必要的溝通都要進行前往那這方面的計畫我們再跟王委員來報告有實際已經也支出了已經有實際的需要 |
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好啦先保留然後你們把你們就是剛講接下來好幾幕通通都有嗎然後你也最好能夠因為我聽說事實上編了有很多也沒有在執行好不好我們就一起來把那個資料提供 |
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好 謝謝那另外您剛剛提到我們特別費我們就尊重不過我們要提到我們陸委會跟委員都一樣都是在維護農民的權益我們希望農民的這些農產品辛苦的農產品弱勢的農民我們應該賣到中國大陸去我們樂觀其成但是不要賣到統戰平台去 |
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那我們對於農民賣到統產品牌去讓他有政治風險對我們也覺得農民沒辦法負擔這些政治風險所以您剛剛提到說農委會他也只是進行必要的了解那我們希望農民賣農產品到中國大陸去他們都不要有被養套殺的過去的這些不必要的這些風險其實我們的立場 |
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還是在保護農民那至於我們梁副主委他也已經講得很清楚而且他也不斷的去帶頭去買水果我想就是他的呼籲也引起很多人的關注也助展了這些農產品的熱銷也請委員理解我們陸委會的用心良苦謝謝對不起那個主席 |
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那這樣第八案第九案都先保留好不好保留送協商然後另外呢就是剛特別提到說不是不能賣這個農產品到中國大陸去是不能賣到統戰平台我覺得對於很多的農民因為這次不是只有查處姚慶林是連地方的農會的團體地方農會或農業團體通被查處 |
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那請你陸委會能不能發布一個你們的所謂的統債平台是有哪些你不能讓人家這個農民辛辛苦苦的這些的農產品當他要銷售的時候他還不曉得什麼時候隨時隨地會被查水表我覺得對他們來講真的是太過的這個太過心酸了啦所以 |
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就是我們預算先先做保留但是請你們發布所有的平台好不好因為我現在看到只要什麼什麼什麼什麼會議啊什麼你們通通列為統戰平台你們把它發布出來讓人民可以有遵循的依據 |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
農民最可憐的民眾最可憐的是我不曉得什麼時候觸犯了你所謂的法律好不好觸犯你所謂的統戰平台請你發布吧謝謝換我講話好不好我覺得啦那個張偉 |
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第一幕啊 徵求所有人的同意啦齁就是第八案 第九案啦齁 就保留啦齁 送協商那前面的這個商案就並案處理啦啊 凍結五十萬啦啊 第一幕就這樣把它處理掉啦好不好你們特別費真的不想這邊處理要嗎保留齁然後你們到時候 |
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對第一幕啊五六七七改組決議就是第一幕我們就這樣處理就是五六兩案並案處理然後我們第一幕就凍結五十萬啦順便報告二十個弄知啦但第八案第九案保留送協商啦看這樣子大家沒意見就主席 |
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我的看法是委員可能對梁副的部分有適當對不對但整個特別費應該是一個組委包含三位副組委對不對 |
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那包括我們也有常務副主委或是說其他可能比較沒有適當的部分這部分也要也要被連坐之類的嘛常務副主委應該是沒有特別費的啊有啦一位主委常務副主委都有啦一位主委常務副主委都有都有對啊現在是一位 |
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把他編載一個項目啦分開計算兩部大家認為已經適當凸顯希望他改進的話那就單獨處理那其他的 你看最後主委督導不周 |
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第一目一般行政第五、第六案就一併病案處理凍結50萬元第七案改組決議 |
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第八案跟第九案就保留送協商處理以上如果說他沒有意見的話就這樣通過好那開始接下來討論第二幕綜合規劃業務那一樣請有提案的委員說明哪位委員要先 |
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好這個部分也是一樣這個部分因為一百一十五年度他一共是兩千九百八十九萬將近三千萬那比前一年度增列了一千三百四十三萬四千元所以我簡略的部分呢就是增列的部分第一個就是增列的部分那以現在來看就是說基本上 |
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不管是在大陸有關於中國大陸的事務的研究或者是這些業務都看不出我們的業務量有比前一年度特別增加那至於就是說研究的部分也看不出需要再增加到一千三百多萬 |
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那更何況我再講一次就是特別這一段時間裡面陸委會不停的用所謂的這個養套殺這樣的一個理由以傷逼證這些都是過去陸委會也都一直這個主要的論述 |
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所以現在看不到看不到一些新的新的有一些需要那更不要說這次連這個縣長這個姚慶英縣長預錄影片他真的是預錄影片 |
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他沒有參與因為陸委會說這個地方縣市州長不能夠去參加他沒有參加然後錄一個影片然後這樣子的話也要被點名查辦所以我們會覺得說陸委會現在所做的這些業務變成是去追殺特定對象甚至去 |
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波及這些無辜的農民跟農民團體所以沒有道理再需要增加預算我在這邊特別提出這邊的預算它是比去年度比前一年度增加了將近百分之五十那而且之前你們也有保留也保留了大概一百一十九萬八千多元 |
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21918.241 |
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所以114年度給你的預算你都還有保留了那更沒有什麼道理還要去增加1300多萬所以這就是為什麼提出這個簡略來跟我們各位委員來做報告 以上王美惠委員有要發言嗎就請我們邱主委謝謝王委員指教我想 |
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好 |
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我想我們中規處是陸委會的大腦尤其是沿襲中國大陸重要的處事可以說它所產出的相關的研究分析情勢的分析都供我們高層還有各界來參考 |
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我們在去年可以說我們成立35年的入委會預算受到最大的減幅我們研究的量年確實有大量不足這次雖然有再回編回去但是王委員這邊如果減列1343 4000元 |
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這個就是又回到過去但是這邊要跟王委員報告因為我們現在的會簽數已經達到今年的會簽數已經達到45.72%那我們剩下今年的預算只剩下1622萬可以刪減 |
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22027.915 |
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那如果你這邊13減1343的話那下半年只剩下兩三百萬可以致用那這樣的話在業務上的這個推動下半年可能好像是空檔是不是能夠再不要減那麼多讓我們應有的這些研究量能能夠提振出來以上再拜託 謝謝 |
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各位拜託一下啦中國方面對台工作小組有多少人啊你們這些量能怎麼夠啊這個真的不能再少了拜託 |
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很多都是我們替同仁來自己撰寫以及自行的研究主委啊 是就這次你們這個有關於就是饒沁林縣長還有我們這些地方農會其實真的群其分開 |
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我必須說我們真的太多的尤其民間團體像這些農民團體他們都覺得說如果會今天如果要追殺到就是連賣水果都要給他分顏色那大家很難接受所以我真的不曉得你們在這個以你們現在來講的話你們現在那個這種 |
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22091.224 |
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就是這樣的追殺已經是虎虎生風了我就不曉得你們還需要這個中國公安署還要多這麼多錢一千三百多萬 |
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我們覺得很可怕所以我就跟你講你不能說今天有一個海峽論壇舉辦然後有一些民間團體去參加然後就說這個是統戰平台你在這邊做任何的什麼事情連錄影片也不行賣水果也不行通通不行通通被查處你們是要被 |
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是要查處我剛才特別念了一段農業部的態度農業部其實他講得非常清楚他們其實沒有什麼意見是基於因為受到陸委會的要求去查農業團體 |
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跟委員報告有關於海峽論壇剛剛有提到什麼是中共的統戰平台從2009年開辦的海峽論壇到現在18屆從2012年那時候馬政府執政就把他認定他是中共 |
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對台的統戰平台所以我們陸委會每年在這個海峽論壇開會前我們都有一個政策立場宣示也包括在海峽論壇前一個禮拜我們有宣示就請我們包括縣市首長就不要到海峽論壇去但是我們是歡迎我們的縣市首長 |
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賦入去促銷農產品但是不要集中賣到這個海峽論壇去不要賣到統戰平台去不要配合中共的統戰操作讓農民可能在權益上有一些受損那這樣好不好因為我們在預算處理我其實都覺得我都需要配合我們的委員會讓他盡量順暢那因為剛才包含張恆樂委員還有李博弈委員都幫你講話好不好 |
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我基本上檢列一千萬檢列一千萬如果如果那個主委覺得可以接受我們就這樣子訂案如果不行的話就送保留好不好好不好謝謝委員我們在跟你說說明這些我們中規處預算的重要性我們建議這個主席那我們就保留 |
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爭取啦好啦 那就這段時間看這段時間我們綜合規劃出這邊有哪一些研究案可以多跟委員分享一下好不好來具體的東西啦不是說我們在研究什麼什麼是是是好那我們第二幕綜合綜合規劃業務全數保留送誰上處理 |
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那接下來處理第三幕經濟業務好一樣發言委員有提案委員要發言嗎第三幕第17到第22項 |
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謝謝主席第三幕經濟業務的部分我原本是凍結五百萬改成主決議可是我最近看到我們陸委會針對兩岸經濟業務的一些發言本席覺得很心寒 |
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22335.743 |
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因為今天經文寫說今天是ECFA簽署第16年陸委會說這個經貿措施已成政治籌碼工具那我們必須要說現在兩岸的這個ECFA相關的經濟業務總共的金額其實陸委會有非常清楚高達美金130億元高達每年4000億的美金 |
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22361.736 |
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如果陸委會回答我們的說明是說這個中共現在將兩岸交流武器化工具化政治化的目的就讓我感覺到這跟當時海峽論壇講的養套殺的講法非常一樣那我必須要講的是現在兩岸還有131億美金的這個交流平台在交流 |
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如果影響到的是非常嚴重這些未來的家庭的生計他們能不能轉單我希望陸委會可以好好去想陸委會到底應該扮演什麼角色到底是要扮救火隊的角色還是到處放火的角色連ECFA這個過去簽好的協議現在還有131億美金的這樣子的 |
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22402.744 |
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這個事情還在說是政治籌碼平台用這麼政治化的語言在去講而且我想請教邱卓俊主委為什麼簽署15年的時候你不覺得是政治籌碼工具簽署16年的時候到底主委最近是受到了誰的指示要針對兩岸這樣子的去壓迫 |
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我不管是農民或是現在ECFA相關的大家在做經貿這些人的生計你講這樣子的政治化的語言很簡單可是他們這些台這些商我們台灣的企業要轉單非常的困難這些家庭生計未來如果完全沒辦法生活的時候這不是主委說一句對不起可以改善的所以請主委三思謝謝還有其他委員有要發言嗎 |
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這個部分就是經濟業務我的簡略是1281萬那還是跟大家報告這是在114年度114就是前一年度那個洛爾會的經濟業務的預算是1632萬6千元 |
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22456.313 |
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那現在今年度呢他就編列到29139000元就增加了12813000元所以我簡列的部分也是今年度新增的部分那同樣的就說按照就是原來的這個預算那烈爾會其實看起來都還是可以去做運作 |
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那在這個經濟的部分陸委會的說明大概就是說要因為中國大陸去片面去片面那個暫停這個台灣多項的農業產品然後那個楊文傑副主委不是在講嗎說我們不要只外銷對岸啦否則的話也就會變成養套殺呀不然就是養中共鼻息等等之類我覺得在陸委會如果陸委會的論述是 |
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22526.622 |
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两岸经济的交流或者是两岸之间的贸易的交往变成是养中共鼻息或者是养泡沙如果热会相信自己的论点的话那么在经济业务上就不需要再增烈这么多因为它的增幅高达78.4% |
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22529.304 |
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22542.113 |
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所以我覺得立委會這樣的一個預算的編列變成說一套做一套所以我覺得原型要合一所以按照立委會的一個叫兩岸經濟這個業務上面的這個論述的話其實維持114年度的1632萬是綽綽有餘以上 |
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我建議這個還是這樣子全部保留送協商好了看主委有沒有說明一下王委員OK嘛王委員保留送協商啦好不好就這樣啦 |
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22572.556 |
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22595.604 |
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我回應張委員ECFA今年是15週年因為2024年他片面的沒有按照ECFA的協議他把免稅優惠的範圍大幅刪除確實讓我們的業者受到很大的傷害 |
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22615.135 |
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我們希望ECFA的部分彼此互惠互利的原則還是要落實下去而不要這樣片面這其實是我們的用意第二個剛剛提到我們經濟業務用的很多的經費是要來幫助我們還在中國大陸的這些台商 |
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22643.747 |
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那台商面對中國大陸經濟下行那我們仍然結合工協會的這些資源能夠前往中國大陸到各地去給台商做在地服務那這部分我們這個經濟處結合我們台商張老師海基會的財經法律顧問工種商種共同結網我們希望還是要給我們台商一些支持 |
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另外的部分我們也做了很多經濟的研究跟分析這個不僅是我們政策單位需要而是百工百業都有需要我們的百工百業對於中國大陸的經濟前景和預測都是依照陸委會提出來的這些資訊我們希望它要保持一定的量能 |
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22693.253 |
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對於我們的經濟發展才有正面的注意謝謝委員好那我們第三幕的經濟業務從17案到第22案除第18案改組決意外其餘都保留送協商沒有異議那我們就進行第四幕法證業務 |
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好黃婕維也請好那我這一案原本是凍結100那應該是有溝通了剛剛有改組決議但還是要請入會再注意一下這個我也很關心就是赴中國的這個動態登錄你們的那個建制雖然去今年有提升但是因為去年就登錄的只有2.66% |
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那今年是進步到4.23%但是還是非常非常的低這個也是希望這個也是希望說前面這個其實沒宣費是真的有保留的必要是因為你們要多多的宣導國人讓他們知道說你們面臨到的風險是什麼你們的安全要有更多讓他們知道更多的資訊他們才能夠足以判斷嘛 |
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所以這個登錄的比例真的太低了那這樣子其實未來你們要跟他們聯繫其實中間如果說國人發生什麼意外要去保護他們那這個你們聯絡不上就會很可惜啦所以我是希望說這個你們可以再加強然後再加上其實你們都有發布橙色的警示的風險了嘛那只是很多國人真的都還不知道所以這個務必要拜託陸委會再加強宣導謝謝 |
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好 那有關提案員 有沒有比較堅持的項目要先講的好 我再三十二案那三十二案的部分呢 基本上就是就是陸委會要均註給海基會辦理兩案 中介的事務 |
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那么他们在115年他们预算案编列了2亿5千万元那么114年的当时的法律预算是1亿6千万元他们增加了成长幅度高达58%增加了9239万元可是事实上我们看到就是 |
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這個海基會其實在辦理文教業務的部分或許還可以這個支持雖然說航班的效果如何本席這邊也還不清楚海基會再提供給我更具體的這個成效的報告那麼可是在 |
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有關於辦理整體情勢延期與刊物的出版還有對外聯繫及人員培訓等等這些經費他們編列了704萬那麼同時也辦理各項的資訊軟體採購系統維護等等的這些費用又編了1104萬總共是1808萬那麼事實上本席認為說就這個部分來說 |
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海基會有沒有必要繼續再做這種什麼整體情勢延期與刊物出版因為總務委會的海基會我覺得他們的整個兩岸的延期判斷基本上是有問題的有錯誤的尤其是對於這個美中情勢然後對台灣影響的判斷根本就是有錯誤的 |
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那么如果是这样的情况之下为什么还要再编这些费用然后去做这个什么情势研习与刊物出版像刚刚这个主委讲的有关于这个经济情势的分析我们有中经院台经院他们都做了很多经济研究分析我觉得这也不是陆委会的强项这根本不需要陆委会去做所以呢本期在这边就是提出就删减这个预算总共1808万那么同时这些经费是不可以留用的 |
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李博義召委說明一下28案有溝通過改組決議好那好 |
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有些我說明一下因為這裡面我看我有好幾個案子除了那個大陸旅費就是跟之前報告的之外那我有第29案那個凍結因為那凍結數很少然後還有第3231案也是凍結他的這個數量也不多也不是很多所以我這邊可以把它改成主決議 |
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就是29案31案可以把他改成主決議好謝謝吳啟明委員不在嗎那這個有關捐助海基會因為海基會的預算剛剛在處理了那有些海基會支出的 |
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項目也在還在協商嗎所以說他實際上會花到哪一個部分應該是可以在海基會的協商的時候去處理啦那就說我們捐贈給海基會並不代表海基會他就可以去動用這些全部的錢還是必須要在基金的協商之後才可以動那是不是有必要在前面就先把這個去做調整我覺得可以討論一下 |
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我的建议是这样的因为事实上今年要捐助给海基会的费用总共是两亿五千三百万那么其实本期这边所减列的大概就一千八百万其实也不是数额很大更何况就像我刚刚讲的其实办理什么整体情势研习与刊物出版 |
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還有對外聯繫人員的培訓等這些費用真的是沒有必要去花這個錢因為兩岸兩會基本上已經很久都沒有再交流了所以事實上要去做花700多萬去做這些事情是沒必要啦那至於就是說事項資訊維護資訊系統的維護啊等等這些話也可以尊嚴使用對要不然他就佐檢 |
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我的意思是海基會的預算到底最後協商會刪減多少不知道那如果說我們捐助的金額是不夠他使用的話那會很奇怪其實不會不夠使用就是說你捐助給他之後那裡面使用的項目應該是針對海基會的預算在協商的時候去做刪減 |
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當然如果說這邊減的話等到之後在海基會的費用的時候就可以考量說是不是那邊就少三我覺得法政業務這個大家有的都改組決議了只剩這一案只剩他32案這個我們是不是這樣子 |
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整個第四幕除了三十二案之外因為三十二案牽扯到海基會的預算我們還沒審這個是會有連動的所以三十二案我們保留其他第四幕整幕我們就所有委員的案子並案處理凍結一百萬 |
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你的三十二案我就說保留了你的三十二案拿開了但還有三十還有一個三十這個大陸地區禮費這兩個把它拿出來啦好不好那其他就整目凍結一百萬啦好不好 |
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主席在這我有提23案的發展業務在裡面他們這幾天有來我們的辦公室溝通跟我主席好那我在這邊OK那我在這邊宣告一下大家看有錯誤喔 |
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23案25案26案28案29案31案33案該組決議然後第24案第27案 |
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還有第34案我們這個合併那個併案凍結併案凍結100萬元那書面報告後捨得凍結那一案一個月然後第30案以及32案保留送協商處理 |
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那對於剛剛的宣告,不曉得跟剛剛的共識有無出入?沒錯沒錯好,那就照剛剛的宣讀通過我們進行第五幕港澳蒙藏業務 |
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有關港澳盟帳業務預算今年編列375萬元 |
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的業務他們基本上過去很多的這個研究報告還有學術交流活動等等其實並沒有完全的公開而且就他們的記報啊年度報告等等常常也都只是摘錄新聞而已那麼如果說 |
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過去派員赴我國處港澳機關以及相關國家的相關出國報告也都沒有公開在資訊網上面所以根本無法知道他們的相關的成效是如何那麼因此在本席這次就是提案就是刪減 |
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這是港澳盟藏業務的費用那麼這個簡列撰寫研究報告是39萬元然後這個差旅費是50萬以及付相關國家的差旅費是18萬所以合計107萬8千元其他案 |
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還有38案對不起剛剛是38案現在是40案那40案的話是他們這次編列了是388萬那比114年是多增加了46.6萬那麼同樣的情況也是他辦理港澳青年交流活動都沒有看到相關的成效報告那執行的績效也不清楚所以我在這邊也是提案簡列155萬 |
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41案的话就是这个是补助给台港经济文化合作策进会补助给他们3476万那么其中呢有关于没宣费的部分同样的是没有这个并不是一个必要支出的项目所以呢我在这里基本上就是指定三减是没宣费就三减了三减136.8万 |
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好還包含44嗎沒有了 |
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還有包含44好另外44的話就是這個是涉及到澳門國福紀念館的真修我原來的提案是說因為看到預算書裡面都沒有提出相關的修繕項目以及預期效益等等工程的概況所以提案凍結300萬不過就這個部分他們因為也有再來說明了所以我這邊可以改成主決議那請他們可以就是之後 |
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就是依照我們主決議的方式來來辦理好所以44案的部分那王煥薇委員這個部分主要是對於台港策進會台港策進會的 |
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獎補助費用我是簡列347萬6千那第一個就是說我們今年度的3476萬1千元也已經比前一年度增加了300多萬312萬增加的幅度大概接近百分之十9.8% |
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那這是其一就是說我們目前就是兩岸關係這樣的一個冷凍我相信也包含港澳的部分所以有沒有必要再增加大概10%這個所以我大概簡略的就是大概10%左右那第二點就是呢我之前也有特別在質詢的部分 |
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就是我們台港策進會董事長是兼任現在也是央廣的董事長那我覺得如果台港策進會其實目前這樣功能看起來用兼任的董事長那好像就變成只是一個形式的那也代表這個策進會的業務其實並沒有這麼彰顯的一個功能 |
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好 第三個最近就是台港在你們陸委會陸委會增設的這個就增設的多功能會議室然後就放在策進會的董事長的辦公室裡面那更代表說連董事長辦公室都變成一個你們陸委會的會議室那更顯出這個策進會它功能不彰 |
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那當然我看到落會所提供給我的就是說我們現在台港貿易金額創下歷史新高這代表說這個台港策進會非常有必要那我又覺得非常質疑了 |
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如果說今天連在跟大陸地區賣水果都可以成為統戰水果那如果都會變成養中共鼻息都變成養套殺那我不懂啊就說那如果在港澳以外的港澳的話就OK沒有問題所以是不是陸委會可以告訴我們 |
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對中國大陸地區的貿易會被養套殺但是對港澳地區的貿易和交流就沒有養套殺的問題就沒有養套殺的問題是不是可以告訴我們是是有這樣的雙標跟區別所以基於以上所以我大概簡略的部分也大概就是他們在今年增列的部分我剛才也說看不出台港測定會 |
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他今年度有什麼必須要增加預算的必要性跟需要性 以上王美惠委員 |
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主席 部門 大家好在這我有提案 三十六案在這個陸委會第五百的內閣府 港澳政府的選舉陸委會公布領完 因為在昨天 中國要求我們要一種的承諾時 |
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在目前已經沒有公務人員在香港跟澳門我們這兩個官員是不是可以陸委會每天都有辦這條經費啦那我認為說,如果沒有人去,我們就不想送人去一定啊,是不是請陸委會願意補分的聽證全部給台灣跟港澳其他交流活動,以上 |
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好 主委 |
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非常感謝各位委員對我們港澳政策的這些指教我想針對港澳業務的研究跟情勢的延期我想我們願意再來跟委員多做說明事實上我們有系統的不斷的針對港澳的情勢延期可以說是以我們港澳處為主 |
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那另外這裡面也有刪除掉我們派員赴港澳機關這個視察以及我們僱員回到台灣來做這個業務的交流那這些參與費我們也說要另外再來處理那我們會再跟委員溝通完那提出我們已經在執行的以及未來準備要執行的項目來多做說明 |
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那其他重要的業務我請我們盧組長來跟大家報告 |
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跟委員報告 委員對港澳業務有吹噓很多給我們很多的期許剛剛主委有特別提到的就是溫委員所指的部分我們其實在港澳業務的委託研究總共我們只有78萬6 其他的部分都是我們同仁 |
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自己長期去掌握港澳情勢所寫的研究那很多的研究包括香港特殊地位的檢討還有香港的經貿情勢還有國安法的一個執行的法例還有香港立法會的選舉等等的很多的綜合議題還有包括我們要送 |
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立法院的港澳這個特殊地位的檢討人道援助關懷的專案都是我們同仁自己處理所以我們的委託研究只有一個七十八萬六而這個是非常必要的而且已經委託出去跨年度的一個委託研究是針對於香港特殊地位的追蹤和研究這是一個長期的掌握香港情勢的變化那這個要跟委員拜託 |
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另外我們王委員跟翁委員都有垂詢到我們大陸旅費那其實陸委會的大陸旅費 超過一半以上是我們港澳門帳處所編列的我們佔了超過56%以上那為什麼編了這麼多大陸旅費剛剛主委也有特別提到 其實分了三個部分 |
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第一個部分就是我們因為從2011年就100年8月以後我們香港沒有派駐我們國內的官員澳門只剩下兩位在經過疫情之後我們一直希望我們僱員要這麼長時間沒有我們官員要希望他們返台教育訓練也了解整個台灣的對港澳的一個政策我們這麼多年裡面終於在今年 |
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我們希望辦兩梯我們維持那個管務的運作不停不中斷所以我們先辦了一梯那在委員如果支持我們這個預算可以我們下半年還會辦第二梯次讓所有的派駐的這個僱員都能夠返台能夠了解整個政府的港澳政策跟做一些業務的精進和教育政策和那個業務的精進和教育訓練另外有一個很重要的就是我們依照住管的 |
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綠委會的駐館的管務的一個督導一個計畫我們每年都要去兩個外館去做業務檢查那我們已經規劃好綠委委員給我們這個機會我們每年都一定要去做是依規定要辦理的我們已經規劃好在最近就會第一批去那後續的話會有第二批那這個是非常需要跟委員報告我們要去業務檢查是檢查哪些項目 |
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包括所有這些執行的所謂的資安、電務還有採購等等等等所以這個是非常需要的另外的話我們也會有一些水團的就是希望說有一些團去到港澳的時候能夠水團所以這個是我們大陸旅費裡面編列的地方 |
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另外港澳委員 我要經典一下講一下其實很多港澳的 就像剛剛有報告就是說我們很努力的在做港澳的交流包括港澳委員所推行的青年交流所以上個禮拜的時候我們剛剛金門營辦完那這兩天又在辦到張還有嘉義的青年資訊之旅那這都是在香港的讀大學的學生我們希望他來 |
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那接續的話後續在暑假期間我們會辦四個團都是中學生的所以這也是我們努力在做的一個地方那最後一個就是跟委員剛剛垂詢的關於我們撤經會的這個進行的情形那撤經會裡面我們很努力的在做這個台港的交流所以我們剛剛完成了 |
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今年的话完成了到马祖去做推销行销观光那刚刚的话在高雄的时候也完成了这个推港高频的一个观光那后续我们希望在下半年能够到花莲跟台东能够做一些观光行销和赴港交流以上报告 |
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我剛剛聽了那個處長的說明在 我看我這個是第幾案應該是第三案吧就港澳的 對不起 我看這個是就是有關於那個去視察的抱歉 這個應該是叫第幾案第三幕的 第三 第38案 |
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那第38案的部分基本上我可以同意就是少刪但是對於委外研究的39萬的部分我認為說因為這個完全沒有公開也不知道到底是研究了些什麼然後你們研究的目的所以這個部分的話我39萬我還是要刪那其餘的部分我可以同意就是就不再減劣所以本來刪減107萬的我就只刪減39萬 |
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看委會是否同意不同意的話我們就保留跟委員報告那39萬有已經有契約跟學者已經在進行了有跨年度所以好像沒辦法變更除非 |
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但是你們要提供給我 到底是你們委託了什麼去研究是 我們再跟委員報告好嗎就是要給我 你們委託研究的報告書內容 就成果可以不要說到時候不行 我要附條件提供給我 相關的委託研究的成果報告之後然後才可以動之 |
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三減三十九萬拜委員可能會來不及但是我們可以收我們跟委員報告那個整個案子的一個規劃好嗎因為這是跨年度的已經執行好幾年所以你們都沒有公開嗎因為它是一個機密專案因為我們要掌握香港一個整個情勢的報告 |
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我覺得這是一個很大的問題就是說如果你們是機密專案的話就應該是機密預算而不應該就是又在我們公開預算裡面又說你們有編列委託研究費用對我根本不知道說你們到底是不是真的是去做機密的研究啊 |
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你們這就是我這次看到陸委會給我很多資料上面都寫什麼密不露遊我不懂得說為什麼明明是使用的是一般的公務預算然後辦理很多活動竟然可以說密不露遊然後連我們去問然後也不跟我們講 |
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各位媒體報告 我們陸委會其實有一些基於研究我同意 如果說你們一起研究屬於涉及機密的話那不可以我帶著那個研究案我去委員辦公室跟您說你們的問題跟國安會一樣明明就是一般的公務預算可是你們動不動就說某些項目就是機密就是什麼我們基於整體的國安考量還有當事人還有當事人的保密保護他的權益 |
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所以你們委託了會不會是不適格的人或是都是always都是同一個團隊對不對我覺得是值得大家去質疑但是沒有的話其實就應該公開我覺得我們基於立法委員的職責我們審查預算我們希望所有符合一般預算法所編列的預算都要公開透明不能夠這樣打馬虎眼不是只有我翁曉琳委員一個人知道就可以了這是全民都有知的權利 |
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如果不行的話 那這筆預算就刪掉保留啦 保留啦你還是盡量吧 歐爾園這個是跨年度的預算也沒辦法單獨把它刪掉這是他們的問題 這跟跨年度的預算沒有關係我基本上就認為說要不然的話就是整個就保留吧就整個保留好了 不要浪費大家的時間 |
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我覺得啦全部保留啦我們沒有說你,我們說通通保留,不是你的我們是說全部的都保留喔那就是三五跟四四是改組決議的嘛然後其他的保留好,在這邊宣告喔第五幕 |
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港澳盟帳業務除第35案44案改組決意外其餘全數保留送協商處理我們接下來進行第6幕的聯絡業務 |
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好那同樣的我也先報告嗎好好王寶文委員好那麼有關於這個第49案的部分同樣就是陸委會這個部分是涉及陸委會的聯絡業務底下的兩岸政策說明及溝通總共編了1513萬那麼因為陸委會的這個宣傳的成效也不髒而且呢更何況就是兩岸 |
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今年的他的預算的增幅高達120%等於說他光是這個部分的成長幅度就多了一倍多 |
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基于配合国家政府预算大幅的增加所以必须要尊节在这里的话我提出简列社群平台的营运维护网络刊播等等媒体政策业务宣导费用652万那其他的设计制作刊播等等媒体政策及业务宣导费104万以及办理两岸交流竞赛活动等等费用102万总共合计858万 |
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然後接下來是這是五十案五十案我也一併 |
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好一起好50案的話這個部分是陸委會辦理新聞發布聯繫以及禮賓那麼他們在今年的這個預算增加了136萬成長幅度高達68%總共編列了336萬可是我們知道基本上這個辦理記者會這個接待外賓等等這些非必要的支出而且呢這些 |
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那51案51案也是在這個幕 |
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51案的话是有关于海外联系政策说明那么陆委会的政策基本上没有什么大幅的变化根本也没有必要去增加预算那对外联系以及政策的说明向来应该是属于外交部的业务所以陆委会不宜越主带跑你们自己把你们自己的业务做好就好了所以在这个部分的话这个本席提出就是因为你们115年的这个部分的预算成长幅度高达121% |
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多了一点多倍因此就是配合政府的支出必须开源流专节使用减列564万然后再先下来是5353案的话同样的就是115年度陆委会编列了181万的政策咨询及联系服务 |
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基於剛剛前面的理由你們的政策也沒有大幅的改變不需要這個再編列過多的預算再去與什麼民意機關或其他民間團體去做互動聯繫那麼同時呢因為政府民進黨政府就緊縮兩岸交流當前兩岸的社團交流本來就大幅的縮減所以也沒有必要去增加這筆費用因此這個減列一百萬 |
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沒有嗎沒有 那王宏威委員有要做提案說明嗎我處理就 因為51 52其實是一樣的就到時候看翁小林委員那個案子怎麼處理就併案處理就好我建議全部保留了啦也不用再處理 全部保留了啦 |
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好啊 那就全部保留這個案子就是在媒體聯絡上面其實我們網紅衛委員算是看得蠻緊的啦網紅衛委員目前就是一個案子檢定563萬7千元嘛如果能夠並案處理的話是不是我們就先把它處理掉就好了 |
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不好意思可以請召委再說一下您說王宏威委員的對啊就並案並案檢列嘛就是五星跟五十二嗎四九五十就整個第六幕啊五一五二哦 |
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紅圍剪的52案是對就total全部變成-563萬7千塊對啊就是這整個整個第六幕整個第六幕也可以啊不管是併那個紅圍剪的案或是併我的案其實只差三千塊而已啊都沒差 |
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第一個我先講 我先跟翁小玲問一下我覺得可以啦 因為她第六幕也不過3061萬 |
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就整個併上1000啦併上1000啦就整個併上1000 |
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整個變三一千而且不得留用有嗎 就是整個第六幕啊我包含49全部第六幕全部三一千對我們就不討論個別哪一個氣象了整個第六幕就46到53 |
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對如果可以的話就併案3.563萬沒有我是提案三一千讓會自行調集三一千孫中昭委啦好不好夏令孫中昭委因為那個是沒宣就是五百六十四可是在前面政策說明那個部分八百五十八萬這其實也是很多申三一千啦 |
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這刪一千啊你們沒宣 根本不需要花錢去做沒宣啊陸委會根本也沒有做什麼兩岸的政策說明 你們自己就很快說了啊整個第六幕 整個第六幕就刪一千因為剛剛昭薇有講就整幕刪五百六十三萬七千啦這弄昭薇啦 |
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好 沒關係啦 你們就先三五 二樓還可以再提沒有關係稍微就三五改 |
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好我們第六幕第六幕聯絡業務我們從第46案到53案並案3減563萬元整然後科目讓這個業務單位自行調整好沒意見我們就進行下一幕好我們進行第八幕文教業務 |
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文教業務一樣那就是王小玲委員跟王宏威委員你看你們誰要先說明我先講就是我那個凍結的部分可以改成主決議凍結部分改成主決議 |
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我是56案到61案就一起講是不是好那56案的話是這個有關兩岸文教議題的研究與策略規劃我要再次強調我基本上是很支持這個兩岸進行相關的文教的交流可是呢我們可以看到就是陸委會 |
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在這邊他們所提供的來台研修生的加學位生的數字是一直逐年在這個下滑根本也沒有真的有心在開放兩岸的學生的交流尤其是對於就是來台灣讀書的大陸學生來說修學位的學生是越來越少 |
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本席認為說他們現在又瀕臨了這些預算然後又要辦理什麼兩岸文教的相關的各項活動經費然後邀請學術機關等等這些基本上是根本口惠而實不斥那麼同時還要派員到 |
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這個大陸那裡去聯繫的接旅費那總共261萬他們當時編列這個那我是抱歉我是我這邊提出要減列261萬並且凍結預算100萬然後至於就是50辦案的部分 |
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同样的就是陆委会今年总共编列了1890万那比去年增加了794万成长幅度高达72.4万那这部分也是跟文教交流的活动辅导有关那么可是呢因为根本也没有看出来就是陆委会这边提供的他们 |
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补助的这个机关团体以及就是办理活动的成效所以呢本席在这边提出就是删减700万并且冻结100万 |
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那在61案的部分同樣的就是陸委會向來都沒有提供他們到底補助哪些學校團體開課我跟陸委會已經所知數次他們向來都不提供到底這個補助給哪些學校開了什麼樣的中國試讀的課我不知道為什麼這個是命令的訊息所有學校課程的網站上面他都應該是要公開的 |
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所以為什麼我要刪除這筆預算是有道理的那麼在這個陸委會沒有提供給我相關的數據之前我認為這筆經費要凍結所以我這邊是採取凍結因為我是支持可以去開相關的課程但是這個資訊必須要公開到底是哪些學校哪些老師開了什麼課程這難道不應該受到大家的檢驗嗎以上好那這個邱主委要不可以回應說明一下 |
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是謝謝有關推動文教交流我們至今還是努力包括學生目前是因為中國大陸在2020年4月份他就停止學衛生來台那目前只剩下這個研修生那截至目前為止學衛生目前還在1000人左右那研修生的部分大概一年有3000 |
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3000多人今年大概也是維持這個水準至於有關於課程的這些交流以及我們相關辦理的相關的文教業務我們是不是請我們張處長來跟大家說 |
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跟委員報告文教交流裡面其實範圍非常廣泛體育運動還有文化宗教傳播演藝還有學術教育通通都在我文教交流那這部分我們雖然媒體可能沒有報導出來 |
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可是文教交流都持續穩定的在進行當中以我們跟各部會跨部會的會審的案子呢113年呢有900件那114年呢就上升到3000件那今年呢一到上半年也已經有800多件 |
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那這些案子呢都是實際有實際交流的部分那研修生的部分呢也穩定的增長當中雖然沒有像過去那麼多但是呢有很多學校寒暑假都有大量的研修生過來甚至呢也有我們配合教育部有一些大陸的高階的各校的職業技術教育或者是高等教育的校長等等都有來那這部分呢 |
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都有讓他們來交流互動所以這部分呢我們陸委會其實會同教育部已經辦理了非常有誠意讓希望因為讓陸生來這邊那另外呢就是各校開的試讀課程的這部分其實也跟委員報告翁偉林委員要了資料那我們有適度有提供那除了有提供還有畫那個統計的圖表有給翁委員辦公室那也有去做說明 |
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那另外呢因為這些補助案是依照補助作業要點每一季都要公開上網所以我們每一季也都有公開上網在網站上面那至於就是有一些因為我們補助的都是公私立大學那所以呢有一些老師個人的個資這部分呢因為 |
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有些學者專家到大陸去做教學或者是交流互動有時候也有一些敏感性所以基於各自的保護我們的學者的這部分那我們可以提供的我們都盡量提供給委員辦公室四次都有提供而且也都去做詳細的說明以上報告 |
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是處長還是主任嗎是好處長你說你詳細的報告你哪有跟我詳細的說明我要的是哪些學校哪些課程開在哪個系所以及到底選收的學生的人數老師的名稱這個叫做秘密對你們來講你們說這是機密都不給我對這明明就是每個大學的課程系統上面都應該是公開的資訊 |
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25251.3 |
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是我不懂得说这有涉及到什么个资的问题这明明就是你们不敢把这些课程提出来嘛到底哪些课程是丹家大学的什么大陆研究所开了什么课吗或清华大学哪个所开了什么课这为什么不敢讲呢是拿你们落尾会的这个经费就觉得是很丢脸吗是一个秘密吗生怕被大陆检讨吗是这样的意思吗 |
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不能這麼說嘛我們這個學校裡面開課有多少的老師也都是拿這個政府各機關的經費所以我今天我是支持要開這些課程我並沒有刪但是這些訊息應該要公開不應該公開嗎這拿的都是我們政府的錢所以我是凍結300萬 |
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等到你們要提供這個相關課程學校的名稱教室名單休克人數的專案報告之後才可以同意使用那五六跟五八的部分呢剛剛有說明的部分有回應到翁委員的疑惑嗎五六跟五八是簡列嘛一位的話就送保留好了 |
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就保留送鞋商好了就不要浪費大家的時間其實簡略的部分再跟委員報告一下因為其實因為去去年的預算刪減比較多那我們辦的文教部辦大概都是學生的活動那學生的活動因為要辦理期間只能在暑假期間所以呢就是 |
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今年是把它恢復成因為政府辦的陸委會辦的學生活動家長比較放心那甚至的我們也讓學員參與比較方便我們都會辦北中南分區去辦理讓他們不用跋涉很遠這樣子所以其實經費是恢復到之前的 |
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那因為口碑還蠻不錯很多家長都希望他們的小孩能夠再繼續來參加陸委會辦的活動所以呢有高中的學生的研習活動然後也有台商子弟學校教師的研習活動還有就是大概都是以學公私立大學補助還有兩岸關係的公民新聞營那這個是由兩岸的學生來參加的 |
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那這部分呢因為就是主要是給學校的學生參加的活動所以希望可不可以能夠不要簡烈讓我們的學生可以有一些機會再來參加這個比較有公信力的活動向委員說明以上 |
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25443.874 |
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我現在不是說這個因為是活動然後呢到底是台生參加的比例高還是陸生參加比例高我看起來都是台生參加的多台生的話基本上就是很多的各個部會的活動都可以參加外面民間團體有很多的活動可以參加你們現在編列這1890萬我只是刪除就是你們去年的這個增列的部分刪了700萬而已 |
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就是你們回到114年的標準更何況你們剛剛講了現在已經暑假開始了現在這個情況你們可能也來不及辦所以未來執行率一定也會有問題你們用不了那麼多的錢那為什麼要把這筆錢硬是要編列上去所以我這樣的刪減是很有理由的也很合理我也沒有把你1890萬全刪 |
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提供一個意見啦 如果病案 病案減500 然後六一是動300這樣 56 58 跟 不好意思那個召委可以再說一下 5658 病案減500嗎 |
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今天教練很幫你們了好啦300啦好不好300從700我本來是加起來是961萬餒只併按減300這未免也太過分了吧對啊減500至少減500不然的話我二文還會再提500的話然後你們自行留用這樣子凍結部分是不是也可以自行留用這樣 |
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就保留不是凍結部分凍結部分是要等他的這個條件成就之後就可以解決好那611另外談好611另外談還是你們要對611另外談那611就是56 58我剛剛尊重這個昭緯就說我們還是不要300啦太少了啦至少減500啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
25549.877 |
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陸委會辦的活動教育部也在辦體育署也在辦很多都在辦你們陸委會真的把本業做好就好了不要在那邊去砍台商然後這個欺負我們國人富祿對待大陸學生也友善一點為什麼人家大陸學生現在不願意來來這邊都被歧視也不能打工不要說打工啦連當老師的助教都不可以給我們大陸的台商非常友善滿意度高達九成以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
25578.243 |
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我們滿意不是滿意你入委會是滿意整個台灣的學校滿意台灣的環境絕對不是滿意你入委會好我再確認一下喔就是第八幕的54跟59是主決議嘛然後其餘的部分保留協商是吧好那我宣告一次喔 |
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第八目文教業務除54案以及59案改組決議外其餘案件保留協商送出保留協商處理好那接下來就是組決議的部分想確認一下你們第65案有跟委員確認好嗎第65案 |
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他們的文字你覺得有沒有非得一定要修正你只要通過你也沒辦法文字修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
25654.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
25657.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
我們可能文字要修改,要不要我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
25664.053 |
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25671.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
我們有一些文字,我沒辦法幫忙出來你只能照樣通過的話就是不處理啦保留好了不處理啦不處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
25692.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
25693.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
主決議的部分 |
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25729.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
我們6263案文字修正然後以及64案照案通過65案不許處理以上沒有意見的話就通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
25741.803 |
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25767.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
好那接下來處理15年度財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會預算還是要麻煩陸委會剛剛主決議最後一樣還是要去跟委員做一些溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
25772.657 |
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25791.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
好那麼現在收入部分委員無相關提案然後支出部分網紅衛委員議案是否要說明對對按照那個原來的案子好那董事長說明一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
25794.791 |
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25817.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
跟委員還有跟主席都報告一下因為台港策進會的這個辦公室其實是陸委會他們的預算安排做的這個調整所以呢其實我們甚至我自己甚至不知道有這樣一個情況所以有點遲遇遭殃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
25842.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
但是實在是希望能夠保留目前的預算是因為我們現在的業務是越來越增加主要原因不只是因為現在台港的這個經貿交流還有人員的交流增溫這從去年2025年開始增溫的很明顯2026年增溫更明確所以現在經貿交流以及人員的交流是非常多的 |
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25857.941 |
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這個使得我們的業務也增加事實上有很多港澳人士來台灣會有一些狀況這些狀況是我們會在台灣協助處理這些事情有時候是甚至包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
臨時意外等等的都很多那另外一方面是這幾年的港澳人士在台灣越來越多留下來的人他們會需要一些法律相關的資訊因為他們現在開始要申請居留證還有甚至是工作的許多的業務這方面增加很多所以我們真的很需要這樣的一個業務希望能夠保留謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
25888.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
25915.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
不是不是我是覺得啦齁王委員你也蠻堅持的那所有剛剛所有的媒體的什麼媒宣費用全部都保留了啦所以這個保留一起處理啦你這裡沒有辦法處理了啦我要跟王宏威委員做個確認保留嘛齁好那有關支出這個區號1的提案我們就保留送協商處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
25918.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
25920.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
好,那我們就回去嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
25955.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
25971.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
請問各位委員討論事項第六案至第八案有委員提案部分照剛才協商結論通過沒有提案的部分預算均照列請問有無異議好那通過那本次通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
25972.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
25998.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
115年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會部分審查完略你據審查報告並同本委員會審查之其他各部會審查報告含附財政委員會提報院會大陸委員會含送財團法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案財團法人台港經濟文化合作策進會115年度預算書案 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
25999.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
26017.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
審查完畢 擬據審查報告提報院會公決須交由黨團協商並推請本席與院會討論時補充說明本日議程處理完畢 先來休息7月1號繼續開會好 現在散會 謝謝沒有沒有 一次會 休息休息 抱歉 |