| IVOD_ID |
17551 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17551 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-131-30-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第131屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
0 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
30 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經費稽核委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第131屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-26T11:40:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-26T12:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:07:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b73ade72829c64eda97188fe7769c770a6e8dc2504d03d42ed7231b3d2e2f92a78e0ee0e533541605ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-26T12:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第131屆經費稽核委員會第1次會議（事由：一、選舉召集委員
二、決定每月例會日期
三、報告本院115年度預算執行情形（截至115年5月止）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:40:15 - 12:48:00 |
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報告委員會初席委員已組法定人數請初席委員推舉臨時會議主席好 冠立委 陳培宇好 陳培宇好 謝謝好好 決定陳培宇 |
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131屆經費集合委員會一立法院經費集合委員會組織規程第四條規定每會期應選召集委員三人並請決定輪值辦法那慣例為委員推選那我們就請委員推選可是因為現在在場只有三位民進黨委員那 |
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那因為是需要各黨一個那我們民進黨這邊就先推選嗎是好 那賴慧芸委員跟林月琴委員還有陳培語我們要 我們本黨好 民進黨決定出席委員 賴慧芸委員 林月琴委員共同推選民進黨陳培語委員為民進黨召集委員國民黨 |
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現在出席的有謝依鳳委員還有葛如君委員一樣要請國民黨推選一位國民黨輪值的召委謝依鳳剩下民眾黨就一位許中興委員那我們就直接為當然的召集委員許中興委員 |
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請決定召集委員輪值辦法那我們輪值次序就依序為謝依鳳委員陳培宇委員跟徐中信委員好 |
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關於便當我可以發言一下嗎 |
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我是來這裡替立法院的尊嚴講兩句話啦日本人的便當一百塊啦行政部門都比我們還高我不是又為了這一百塊而是說立法院的便當一百元你知道多少立法院拿一百元的便當去跟行政院換便當我們要趕快的我們一百塊去賺人家便宜貪小便宜去跟人家換便當你覺得立法院有尊嚴嗎 |
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要這樣子貪小便宜,然後一百塊吃不下,跟外行政院的人吃的下大家都知道便當多準備幾個,因為立法院的這些人會來跟我們換不管委員還是行政人員 |
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這個真的是毫無尊嚴,為了這一點點便當錢,然後結果讓立法院要監督的人,又要給人家吃,又要給人家買真的是不要為了這個20元,讓立法院的尊嚴踩在腳底下我要去跟行政院挖便當,跟各部會挖便當,一百塊跟人家挖百里的 |
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不要這樣子 為了那一點點錢 立法院的尊嚴都沒了我是覺得說一百遍就都歡迎不出來 我昨天來這裡跟大家分享的啦真的喔 沒見過立法院這麼的廢棄 不能說啦廢棄廢棄啦真的啦 到底是多少錢呢人家行政部門的有還是我們沒有 |
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對啦 做成決議一下啦我們做成決議一下每天的啦 每天都在換便當啦立法院的便當很難吃 一百塊在民間也沒有一百塊的便當啊然後很難吃的便當 去到行政院換他們比較好吃的換到各部會 換他們比較好吃的便當能看嗎 |
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直接便當的預算要在行政院 行政院多少錢 我們比照行政部門啦真的這樣 算PP 出國的錢越來越多 吃便當的錢都沒有出國的經費這樣增加多少幅度然後呢 大家每天在這裡吃便當的那個錢 你要100元那是尊嚴的問題啦所以妳的便當有給嗎 |
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我不是經費集合經費集合的比較不錯啦各部委員會的比較不錯行政院也是一百塊嗎我們現在請各部會沒有一百請那個副秘書長指派回應好不好這應該誰回應這個部分我們那個 |
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請總務處長先來說一下回應等一下我們提一個提案做成一個決議如果有決議了那我們就請總務處長來處理總務處長先說明一下 |
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主席 各位委員 各位同仁謝謝給我們這個機會說明那有件因為立法院是一個議事的一個機關所以會議的這個頻率高所以用餐的這個數量也非常大那統計這從110年以來那因為整個原物料調漲所以整個用餐的經費也逐年上漲那我們從以前以來一直邊 |
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大概一年度大概五百多萬將近六百萬的經費可是那是以八十塊的基準那後來這幾年逐年調漲我們也進行市場調查普遍現在要吃到一個大家覺得還可以接受到一百一二十塊以台鐵為例大概都要到一百二十塊那附近的青島啦什麼這些他們都不願意做立法院生意因為不會合啦所以他們就不要送了 |
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所以也謝謝委員的提案如果說我們也分析到說要抓到120塊為基準的話統計大概會增加一年要增加120萬的經費那這部分是不是容我們院內來評估盤點這個經費不要評估120萬買一個立法院的尊嚴有夠便宜的啦你看你都沒尊嚴去給各部會外面當這裡有的一百二十萬會議 會議 對 |
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主席我想這個我們來做成提案那就是是不是請副秘書長那個做成才是好那是不是請副秘書長先做相關提案那請委員簽名以後我們再那個好不好 |
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現在介紹在場委員有徐宇珍委員賴慧媛委員林月琴委員許中信委員 |
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陈培宇委员葛如君委员林倩琪委员林淑芬委员好现在介绍列席官员本院副秘书长张玉荣秘书处孔处长孔炳杰处长 |
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2944.403 |
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國際處由陳靜芳副處長代理議事處高百祥顧問 |
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2972.233 |
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公報處蘇顯興處長總務處廖總治處長資訊處鄭輝斌處長法治局郭明正局長預算中心陳玉清主任 |
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國會圖書館梁文華館長中南部中心邱俊隆主任義政博物館由劉遠祿副作代理人事處黃瑞月處長主計處許進江處長 |
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本131屆經費集合委員會每月例行會議日期請公決 |
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好 慣例是會期的每月第三週星期五的中午那如果例會日適逢放假日則順延到第四週的禮拜五中午請問各位委員有沒有異議 |
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好那本届经费集合委员会例会日定于会期间每月第三周星期五的中午那如果是逢放假日则顺延到第四周星期五的中午那现在进行本院115年度预算案执行情况报告请主计处的许靖江处长报告 |
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主席各位委員大家好以下請就立法院115年度截至5月份止預算案執行情形報告本院為國家最高立法機關為持續推展任務各項經費收支均依實際需要按相關規定核實辦理以有效支援委員議案審查工作 |
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有关115年度截至5月份指预算案执行情形请详附表1概况表附表2明细表仅就税入类经费类项目重点内容说明如后 |
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1.税入类115年度税入类预算案共编列1,121万4千元截至5月份止累计占分配数793万4千元累计实收数750万元包括罚款及赔偿收入90万2千元财产收入586万2千元及其他收入73万6千元 |
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3187.403 |
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3208.678 |
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2.经费类115年度经费类即区分一般行政委员问证业务等9个业务计划共编列预算案38亿7696万8千元截至5月份止累计占分配数16亿5392万4千元累计实质数15亿3682万4千元执行率92.92% |
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3217.764 |
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3238.619 |
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主要区分下列三大项目一委员问证专项经费本项目包括委员税费及公费公费助理国会交流事务委员会馆问证相关业务及党团补助等六个工作计划项目共编列委员问证及选民服务等相关经费15亿2972万4000元 |
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3241.741 |
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3268.897 |
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截至5月份止累计占分配数7亿1604万元累计实质数6亿7641万元执行率94.47%主要包括委员税工费及选民服务费工费助理筹金及加班费等人事费6亿330万5000元委员研究室住宿会馆水电通讯费 |
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3269.517 |
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3283.293 |
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团体保险办公事务费交通费及国会交流等业务费六千七百四十五万五千元党团补助费五百六十五万元二议事行政支援经费 |
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3284.394 |
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3301.302 |
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本项目包括一般行政、议事业务、立法咨询业务、国会图书业务、公报业务及第一未经等6个工作计划项目。供编列,议事行政支援及职工人员维持等相关经费20亿8257万8千元。 |
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3303.883 |
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3327.953 |
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截至5月份止累计占分配数9亿3713万4千元累计实质数8亿6019万5千元执行率91.79%主要包括职工信奉保险及退休酬金等人士费6亿9071万5千元院区水电通讯费 |
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資訊服務費、辦公房設及公務車輛養護、國會頻道委託轉播等業務費1億4845萬7千元圖書資料購置、資料庫購置等設備費2048萬5千元退休職工三節慰問金及年節特別照護金等獎補助費53萬8千元 |
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3352.62 |
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3381.92 |
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三、一般建筑及设备经费,本项目包括营建工程、交通及运输设备及其他设备等三个工作计划项目,共编列2亿6466万6千元,包括本院委员住宿会馆整修、委员公用大客车汰换、各项资讯应用系统开发及软硬体设备购置、汰换会议室摄影机组、影像处理系统及印刷机等案。 |
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3382.72 |
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3403.409 |
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截至5月份止累计占分配数75万元累计实质数21万9千元执行率29.20%主要系115年度人事服务与差勤及加班管理系统功能扩充案已完成验收科证办理后续相关请款作业 |
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3405.61 |
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3433.305 |
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3.以上系本院115年度截至5月份止之预算案执行情形均意业务实际需要及规定程序本准结原则何时检讨办理整体预算案执行上称正常仅就重点内容二要报告敬请指教谢谢请问在场委员有没有意见 |
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3434.175 |
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3460.023 |
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主席好有關這個報告非常好因為我不是來吃便當的我來做集合的所以我要請各位注意一下我們戶表二戶表二的第三頁的第二頁三分之二頁我們有一個清潔及園藝會各位找到了沒有那個小記是9263 |
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小計是9263但是我們一般行政下卻是9256我從第三頁的總數17041推回來應該是9263是正確所以9263正確的話9256應該是錯誤公報我們會計處 |
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3491.035 |
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3519.089 |
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一般行政像那個9256跟9263不搭調報告主席委員許署長來回答一下我們那個報告主席 報告委員剛剛委員垂詢問到的那個部分在一般行政是9256可是他在同一行的公報業務還有7000元所以加上去是9263以上報告好謝謝那我看錯了好 |
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有關於清潔跟園藝會這一項本席非常的重視因為我第二次進立法院來我感覺就是電梯廁所各方面進步很多所以我發現我們現在是用外包的外包的清潔工非常的打拼我感覺這一次的外包的清潔工非常的努力 |
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那我全國去請問這些外包的廠商他們的薪資水平都是基本薪資的1.1倍那麼我第一次進入法院的時候是12年前那時候的打掃的歐巴桑年紀都六七十比較大他們沒有三明治的壓力而現在我發現我們這些外包廠商的員工很多都四五十歲 |
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都處於三明治的壓力之下上有老母 下有幼子所以以基本薪資的1.1倍坦白講連在我們成大都沒辦法養家活口不要說在台北市所以我要請教我們委員會我們這個外包廠商他們有沒有根據台北的生活水平給我們這些員工合理的薪資 |
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為什麼這些外包立法院不會倒做生意那個契約不會倒是穩賺的所以承包本院的清潔工作這個廠商是絕對沒有商業風險的所以他應該有比較多的空間可以讓我們員工比較好的可以支應生活水平的薪資水平 |
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雖然他是一個獨立廠商但是我們是委託艙我們可以有力量可以去說服他們根據生活水平給予合理待遇的提升以上這是我個人初見的看法那我們是不是請廖總裁處長做相關回應 |
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主席 各位委員謝謝委員也關心我們的所有的工作夥伴尤其今年7月職安會上路前我們全員好幾波的盤點針對委職員工包含委外的廠商所有的權益我們都有在做檢討那委員有提到說這個我們清潔外包的人員是按照這個1.1倍 |
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來算起來他的月薪大概三萬兩千多其實跟行政院編列是一樣的啦那如果對變成說依照現在物價調整可能有不足之處但是因為立法院是一個很小的行政機關所以受限他的這個總經費的總額也有限像去年我們的預算來調整之下就差一點我們要刪減他的人頭因為總額在那邊變成維持他的薪水跟他 |
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我們立法院身為龍頭必須要率先立法院沒有率先行政院不會率先然後南部就不會調整就是我們立法院要先做那因為就一個承包商承包政府的標案那個是不會打的沒有商業風險的 |
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他有比較穩定的利潤所以我們應該要積極的去督促他們要根據台北的生活水平演繹較高的生機謝謝委員我們把他納入演藝來跟廠商來溝通也列入合約結果要是是是好謝謝因為他那個是一年一個約那我們來盤點現在的狀況看有什麼可以調的明年的約能夠送過來 |
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我來研究一下那個時間,我們會來跟你報告 |
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那我們是不是預算案就按照這樣子通過剛剛那個報告好不好好那我們就是針對徐委員所提的意見請總務處的我們的廖處長然後按照這樣子的說明然後就做相關的決處那現在進行那就是我們的預算執行的報告就準以被查可以嗎可以 |
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好 大家都通過那我們現在進行臨時動議那根據剛才本院有委員林淑芬所提就是本院的便當是不是能夠提高金額到120元那請問各位委員有沒有異議那我反對我之所以反對我不願意自圍 |
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各位委員,要體諒我,我在當城大教授的時候,我時常在台北火車站跟那些市民排隊搶購台鐵60塊的便當,我好幾次都搶購不到,我都非常怨恨,現在沒有了,我非常的遺憾。 |
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我覺得八十塊應該已經可以了本院我在立法院第八屆委員的時候為了要改革國民年金我自砍我的薪水成為十七萬所以我們立法委員必須要率先我們這裡八十降增到一百二其他的政府機關都會比照所以這個是非同小可非同小可我個人認為我個人六十塊就已經幾乎一億了那八十塊已經很好以上謝謝 |
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好 林委員立法院本來現在就已經是100塊物價漲到多嚴重不是說我們講自肥是要隨著物價的不過現在附近的我覺得也造成醫治人員的困難因為為什麼你只能一家一家挨家的去找醫治人員多珍貴的人力怎麼可能是用在這個方面說我去找那個80塊找100塊的那現在物價我們就真的要隨著整個物價所以過去為什麼60後來漲80 |
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然後我們的過去的餐費政府部門的也是20塊調到40塊調60那一樣啊人家政府部門的都調到120我們還要自我期許說清高那是不是要吃60塊的便當呢 |
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不會有這個問題就是說今天是隨著物價波動你如果說我今天物價波動然後如果去住宿如果說以前一千塊那就大家繼續住一千塊請問一下放眼望去住宿一千塊能住到那個嗎又要要求人家出差然後最後呢事實上是我覺得是苦了我覺得 |
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不是只有我們而已 講的不是在講自肥因為所有的人都在這個現場裡邊我覺得要為所有的人考慮不是只有想到委員自己 否則委員很多時候我們也不見得會在吃那個便當可是今天議事人員是同時在那邊很多時候我們委員會從早上 像我們胃環 從早上開到那個 |
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開到下午耶 修法會議的時候中間就只有吃你這個一餐醫治人員不是也是這樣嗎有時候連上廁所的時間都沒有整不是去體恤而是從某種角度上說自己很清廉這不是清廉的表率這事實上是大家都要在這邊在工作的時候那樣的辛勞要被看見所以我還是建議是不是可以到120 |
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好那因為本會現在在場的委員都同意就是立法院的便當由100元提高到120元那是不是就按照我們經費機和委員會所通過的決議那就是把立法院的公務便當提高到120元那請總務處相關的就是說會同相關的單位來共同辦理謝謝 |
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好 谢谢那我们就进行我们本次会议就进行到此现在散会好 谢谢 |