| IVOD_ID |
17546 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17546 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-25T08:36:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-25T11:57:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:20:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd185f057c3f35196f9c724ca681e8a219ed7231b3d2e2f92a5ebf5cc441d3ec9a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：審查一、委員羅美玲等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案、二、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案」案、三、委員張智倫等19人、四、台灣民眾黨黨團、五、委員郭昱晴等17人、六、委員林思銘等22人、七、委員洪孟楷等21人、八、委員黃秀芳等20人、九、委員林倩綺等22人及十、委員邱鎮軍等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」案、十一、委員傅崐萁等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之一及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十二、委員王義川等17人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修正草案」案、十三、委員涂權吉等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條及第三十五條之三條文修正草案」案及十四、委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」案。
【本日會議僅進行詢答；第二案、第七案至第十案、第十二案及第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查；第六案及第十一案如經院會復議，則不予審查】【6月24日及25日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:29 - 11:57:00 |
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好 我們繼續開會我們現在先介紹在場委員侯孟楷委員張志倫委員林倩琦委員那我們現在介紹在場列席官員交通部政務次長陳彥博次長交通部公路運輸局監理師胡迪琦司長陸正道安司吳東林司長 |
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法治署許宏達處長公路局林福山局長高工局陳文瑞局長運研所葉祖宏主秘司法院行政訴訟及懲戒廳調辦司法官林靜超刑事廳調辦司法官黃湘瑩法務部參事謝志明 |
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內政部護政司專委潘英宗警政署交通組副組長陳朝欣衛福部食品藥物管理 抱歉衛福部食品藥物管理署監管組副組長張興文心理健康司洪家基專委本人會議進行審查道路交通管理處罰條例 |
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道路交通管理處罰條例等14案請提案委員我們先說明提案要旨那我看依據的話第一位委員是張志倫委員請張志倫委員說明 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員 大家早那本席今天提案修正道路交通處罰條例第35條主要是為了強化防制獨駕的機制補足現行法令的不足 |
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進而進一步維護我們的道路交通安全近年來獨駕案件已經呈現明顯的增加趨勢根據警政署的統計115年1到5月全國移送獨駕案件已達6730件較114年同期的239 |
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2399件增加將近2.8倍警政署在6月18號也進行了全國同步擴大取締獨駕專案單日即查獲獨駕案件155件這些數字顯示獨駕的問題已經嚴重 |
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威脅到道路交通安全是一個非常重要的課題那我們都知道吸食毒品後駕車可能會導致駕駛人的反應遲緩判斷力下降甚至出現精神恍惚幻覺等情形危害的程度其實 |
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不小於酒後駕車然而現行的道路交通管理處罰條例對酒駕已經有對同車的乘客的處罰規定那希望透過社會大家一起來共同監督機制發揮事前勸阻的效果 |
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但是對於獨駕行為現在是沒有相同的規範也就是說同車的乘客明知駕駛人吸毒後人搭騎騎車輛卻沒有相對應的法律責任所以現在制度上酒駕跟獨駕同車的乘客的規範 |
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的明顯是不一致所以因此本行參照現行酒駕同車乘客罰則的制度增訂獨駕同車乘客處罰規定針對年滿18歲的同車的乘客明知駕駛人有吸毒 |
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即使毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥品或類似相關管制藥品等情形仍搭乘其車輛者處新台幣6000元以上15000元以下之罰還同時本案也考量比例原則由於獨駕不能像酒駕一樣有這個酒味 |
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等這個外觀可以辨識容易辨識的一個情形所以我們特別在法條裡面將明知列為處罰的要件針對確實知悉駕駛人吸毒者 |
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人搭乘者處於處罰避免誤罰無辜民眾以及現行的年滿70歲者心智障礙者及汽車運輸業者乘客等免罰規定仍然維持不變那本次修法提案是希望透過 |
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適度的社會連帶責任促使親友與同車人員共同勸阻獨駕行為形成全民防制獨駕的力量降低道路風險保障國人生命安全敬請各位委員支持 謝謝好 謝謝張志倫委員提案說明接下來我們請侯孟楷委員提案說明 |
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主席各位委員以及在場列席的官員今天討論道交條例的修正尤其是針對這個日漸頻繁惡劣猖獗的毒品駕車危害我想獨駕事件已經造成太多的悲劇跟太多的慘案 |
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我們要的就是要即刻把破網給補起來並且用強硬的手段強硬的態度告訴任何有心存僥倖想犯罪者都不應該心存僥倖吸食毒品已經是犯罪吸食毒品還開車上路那更是錯上加錯尤其是當吸食毒品之後開車上路本身來講 |
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車輛已經不是交通工具而是殺人利器他是無差別的有可能的對付到任何無辜的路人 |
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駕駛者以及善良老百姓也因此我們才要用最強硬的態度跟手段告訴所有有心犯罪者你絕對不要心存僥倖本席的提案版本重點有四項第一提高獨駕罰環我想這是大家共同支持我們要讓敢獨駕者付出應有的代價但這只是最輕微的第一步第二 |
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1942.543 |
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1962.331 |
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是要能夠直接沒入毒品駕車人士的車輛誠如剛剛本席所說毒駕就已經是犯嚴重違法的一個事實尤其車輛已經變成殺人利器的時候你敢毒駕我們就敢沒入車輛讓你的車輛直接被沒入 |
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1963.251 |
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1981.105 |
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而本席的版本跟現在行政部門提出來的版本有一個最大的不同我想這也是實務上的經驗也必須請我們行政部門以及所有相關的修法委員同仁大家共同思考很多在現場的狀況 毒品駕車者他其實開的並不是自己的車 |
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如果說他開的不是自己的車是租賃的車是偷來的車是跟別人借的車那這樣子他明知自己已經沒有車了他還敢跟別人拿車來開除了說現在行政院版本是全部統一沒路以外這一個獨駕者的心態非常可惡 |
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你已經沒有車了你還敢用別人的車甚至食物上的經驗偷來的車來去做開車移動那這樣子你的刑責應該要加重加罰二分之一也就是加罰1.5倍不管是罰還或是我們相關修法的刑法185條本席都主張你的罰還跟刑責都要加重1.5倍以及第三同車者的 |
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連坐責任其實連坐責任在日本韓國以及歐美等酒駕獨駕嚴重的國家都有相關的規定過去我們在討論酒駕的時候也希望能夠正式入法但很遺憾的是過去的版本只有限於所謂的罰還也因此今天本席所提出來除了是同坐者你共同在同樣的車輛你明知這個人已經有 |
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獨駕的一個狀況你還跟他一起開車你還跟他一起坐車你沒有制止他你沒有讓他不開車那這樣子很抱歉你也有相關的責任也因此同作者的這個罰還責任甚至我們刑法的相關的刑責本期都希望能夠在這一次獨駕嚇阻的修法裡面一併的來修正一併的來補齊這個漏洞還是再次強調 |
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如果說我們現前的版本只有討論到提高罰則延長調照的期限或是宣示車輛沒路但是執行端沒有完善的毒品檢視 車籍追蹤 遺志保管裁決沒路或跨部會的資料串接的話民眾人會無感因為執行要到位我們不要只是防制停留在看起來很重的修法但實際上還是必須要做到看得到 抓得到 |
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你敢上車我敢沒路這樣子的一個態度以及做法才能夠真真正正我們共同一起來嚇阻獨家所以今天我們等一下會進入質詢答詢以及相關的主條審查的修法我們都希望用最快的速度在這個會期裡面能夠讓 |
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道交條例也好或是刑法的185條的修正能夠讓他三讀通過用具體的行動來宣示獨駕零容忍不是玩假的我們共同努力謝謝好 謝謝洪孟凱委員的說明我們接下來請林倩琦委員提案說明 |
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好 謝謝我們主席黃昭瑋還有輔惠同仁 大家早安那麼本席呢今天提出道路交通管理處罰條例第35條修正的草案那麼主要的目的是在於強化酒駕賀祖獨駕的防治那麼就提高違規成本來維護道路交通安全及保障人民生命財產安全的概念下來做這樣子一個修法的提出喔 |
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那麼我們知道近年來酒駕的問題也還沒有完全根絕結果緊接而來的是獨駕的案件也呈現了增加了一個趨勢那麼駕駛人在試用毒品迷幻藥麻醉藥品跟其他管制藥品以後駕車那不僅反應能力判斷能力及控制能力都受到嚴重的影響也危及了其他的路人乘客跟第一線 |
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執勤遠景的生命安全那麼獨駕已經成為公共安全的重大風險因此本席在此案來提高酒駕及獨駕的罰環下限那麼機車駕駛人由現行的一萬五千塊來提高到三萬元那麼汽車駕駛人由三萬元提高到六萬元以提升違規的成本 |
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那麼其次呢在針對十年內再次違反酒駕獨駕規定者第三次以上加罰那個金額由九萬塊來提高到十二萬元來藉此來強化對累犯的嚇阻的效果 |
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此外,對於拒絕接受酒駕及獨駕檢測或規避檢測者本案也延長了累犯認定期間,由10年調整為12年,避免駕駛人以拒絕測量規避責任 |
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那本案的另外一個重點是將同車乘客的處罰規定來擴及獨駕那麼年滿18歲的同車乘客如果明明知道駕駛人是酒後或者是施用毒品之後呢還與其一起搭車那也應該要負起勸阻的責任那麼藉著這樣子的一個修法是也給同車者一些勸導的支持 |
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本案也同步提高同車乘客罰緩至兩萬四千元以上 六萬元以下讓防止危險駕駛不再是只有駕駛人的責任那也是同車乘客要來共同維護整個公共安全的責任 |
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但是最重要的就是說那整個制度的設計和社會運作有效的一個推動那其實是大家的責任但是這次修法呢基本上我們還是能夠有一些這個嚇阻的效用那麼敬請以上的說明也請所有的所有的委員來支持本案 謝謝好 謝謝林千祺委員的提案說明接下來我們請台灣民眾黨團代表陳清東委員提案說明 |
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2355.25 |
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好 謝謝主席 臺灣民眾黨黨團有鑑於近年來獨家案件的一個快速增長我想社會上我們的國人同胞 針對獨家的這樣的一個氾濫 |
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我們大家都深有同感也覺得我們現行的一個法令不夠周全必須要進一步的一個修法讓我們從我們的統計資料 |
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2413.63 |
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我們看到了從113年到115年4月短短的這一年多的時間已經造成實際有42人的死亡那身著食用毒品及危險價值是犯罪結合對整體社會知識及交通安全的危害 |
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2425.382 |
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更為嚴重且渡假猖獗更以形成嚴重的一個民怨故意提升法治後阻力增加行為人的犯罪成本本黨 |
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修正加強獨駕的相關法則這個法則修正案包括我們的第21條之一因為提告應酒駕、獨駕、酒駕、居車、獨駕、居車、吊扣或吊小駕駛執照又無照駕駛的一個駕法的一個金額 |
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那也參考同法的立法令先將對於同車成員乘客擬定連坐的一個處罰那也證明今年來慢車危險駕駛的案件 |
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及拒策的比例亦有持續的一個上升的趨勢那現行的條文對慢車危險的駕駛跟他拒策的行為卻會設有處罰的名文導致行為人往往基於僥倖的心態多次的違規 |
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故在我們這次修法當中我們台灣民眾黨的版本也填補散開的法律過程就提高提出了修正我們的第37 |
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第73條的提高慢車、獨駕跟獨駕聚車的一個劃緩的一個額度來維護我們交通秩序跟用路的安全所以我們臺灣民眾黨長團拟據了道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文的修正草案來有請我們各位委員來與支持以上 |
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好謝謝陳青龍委員的提案說明我們現在請列席機關報告請交通部次長陳彥博次長報告 |
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主席各位委員各位女士今天一腰列席貴委員會就貴委員會審查委員美玲台灣民眾黨團張委員志倫郭委員易晴林委員思敏洪委員孟凱黃委員秀芳林委員倩琦邱委員鄭鈞副委員坤琦王委員易川圖委員 |
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全集等相關委員及當團擬聚的道路交通管理處罰條例共14條修正提案提出本部的處理意見供委員參考針對社會關注新興毒品及毒價的問題本部已邀集相關機關擬聚道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案並經行政院於6月18日完成審查並於當日送函請大院來審議 |
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那有關羅委員美玲提案修正的第21條提高無照駕駛及累犯的划環建議維持現行的一個規定那有關台灣民眾黨團張委員志倫 郭委員易晴 林委員思敏 洪委員孟凱黃委員秀芳 林委員倩琦 邱委員 |
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政軍、副委員、昆旗、王委員、翊川、土委員、全旗等提案修正的二十一條、第二十一條之一、第三十五條、第三十五條之一、第三十五條之二、第三十五條之三、第三十五條之四、第六十四條加重酒駕及獨駕罰則建議可並後續行政院版建議的修正條文來中整、來審查 |
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那有關臺灣民眾黨團提案修正的第73條提高慢車的獨駕及獨駕拒策滑環的一個額度那我們尊重了貴委員會綜合審查的一個結果那有關副委員坤崎提案修正第35條之一增地防止再犯的一個設備 |
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建議由本部持續觀察國際間車輛法規發展的情形在適時的導入那有關洪源為孟凱提案修正的第67條希望能夠明文駕駛人駕駛執照於吊銷吊扣住銷及禁止考領駕駛執照期間不得再持外國政府或地區所發的駕駛執照或國際駕照 |
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來換花我國的駕駛執照這樣的一個情勢的規定因為現行的道路交通安全規則的第55條至2已有相關的一個規定所以我們建議是否可以不用再另行的增訂那以上僅先摘要的說明本部提出報告的一個終點 |
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及建議處理的意見 那接下來我就請公共運輸司胡司長就道路交通管理處罰條例 向各位委員做詳細的一個報告那最後謝謝委員的關心及指教 謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天應邀製委員會就審查羅委員美玲 台灣民眾黨黨團張委員志倫 郭委員玉琴 林委員思敏 洪委員孟凱黃委員秀芳 林委員倩琦 邱委員政軍 副委員坤祺 王委員逸川 土委員全吉等委員及黨團所提 |
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道路交通管理處罰條例共14案修正案提出本部處理建議請報告如後進行指教針對獨家問題本部已邀集司法院法務部衛福部及內政部警政署等相關單位共同延長修法並以將相關條例送草案送行政院於6月18日審查通過並送大院審議那修法主要有三大方向第一是全面加重 |
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獨駕的一個處罰包括無論駕駛人是否為車主均沒入車輛獨駕改採吊銷駕照處分提高駕照及據冊罰環增訂明知獨駕人搭乘同車乘客處罰規定 |
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以及毒駕照吊銷駕照後再無照駕駛者加重處罰並募入車輛第二是建立吸毒者預防性駕照管理制度經確認吸食毒品者將預防性吊銷駕照兩年期間不得考照如再無照駕駛同樣加重處罰並募入車輛 |
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第三是強化戒癮管理因毒駕或者是吸毒處分者重新考照前需完成相關的教育、戒治或治療程序並符合六個月觀察期規定後,使能重新取得駕照以下針對相關委員及黨團提案修正重點提出本部處理建議 |
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2861.852 |
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羅委員美玲提案提高無照駕駛壘犯罰環部分由於本條例在今年1月大幅修正提高相關罰環及壘犯的一個處罰機制建議維持現行規定台灣民眾黨黨團提案提高 |
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2883.579 |
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酒駕、獨駕、據冊吊扣、吊銷駕照後仍無照駕駛之加罰金額部分建議給並同行政院版的一個修正草案綜合審查那張委員志倫、郭委員易晴、林委員思明 |
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紅委員孟凱黃委員秀芳林委員倩琦邱委員鄭鈞副委員坤琦王委員逸川土委員全吉以及台灣民眾黨黨團等提案加重酒駕獨駕處罰延長吊扣年限提高罰環沒入車輛同車乘客處罰加裝防止再犯設備強制治療教育等事項建議可以並同行政院的版本綜合審查那緊究重點說明如下 |
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有關臺灣民眾黨團副委員坤祺等所提獨家事故後強制採尿採驗尿液部分那警政署認為現行的刑事訴訟法已有相關的依據可執行建議無須令增訂郭委員疫情等針對酒駕累犯 |
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並註記身份證以及禁止販售酒類部分涉及內政部及菸酒防治法等主管機關的一個權責建議可以由相關主管機關再行評估那副委員昆齊等所提加裝再販防治設備部分我國已建立酒精所的一個制度那至於獨家防治設備目前國際間尚無成熟的技術與法規標準 |
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建議持續觀察國際的一個發展那再來是紅委員孟凱提案針對明知上司駕駛資格仍借用或租用車輛在於獨犯者加重處罰的部分本部認為有助於提高嚇阻的效果可建議可並同考量出累犯情形 |
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2982.859 |
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3009.219 |
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郭委員疫情等提案酒駕累犯應強制接受酒飲評估及治療部分現行法規已規定酒駕累犯重新考領駕照前需完成酒飲評估因此無需增訂那有關於邱委員政軍等就藥飲評估治療部分現行法規及行政院版本均已納入相關機制建議可以並按審查 |
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3030.862 |
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黃委員翊川及台灣民眾黨團提案配合相關條文修正調整條次援引部分建議並同相關條文整體審查令條文涉及一致保管車輛後續拍賣時效本部經徵詢地方政府意見建議由現行的三個月縮為一個月以提升執法量能也供委員會審查參考 |
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3032.783 |
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3047.352 |
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那紅火員孟凱提案明定駕照吊銷吊扣註銷競考期間不得持外國或國際駕照及換照部分現行道安規則已有相關的規定建議無需增訂 |
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3074.58 |
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那台灣民眾黨團提案提高慢車獨駕及拒策罰環部分有助於嚇阻效果本部尊重委員會審查的結果綜上感謝各位委員及黨團對獨駕防制議題的重視本部已會同相關單位提出配套修法草案並已送大院審議那本次提案可並同行政院版本審議那以上報告敬請委員指教 |
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3104.396 |
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好 謝謝我們司長的報告其餘機關的訴訟報告我們都列入記錄 那看待公報我們現在開始進行詢問 先宣告以下事項詢問時間 初期委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如果有臨時提案請於10點前提出 以便議事人員會診然後我們暫定10點30分 休息10分鐘現在請登記第一位李昆哲委員發言 |
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3117.583 |
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謝謝召委 請一下陳彥博次長以及林福山林局長來請次長跟林局長委員好 |
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3124.873 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3136.137 |
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市長 獨駕的議題是社會大眾所最重視的一個議題那我們看到警政署相關的一個統計歷年查獲的獨駕件數是成長越來越快2024年有2619件 2025年達到8659件 |
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3147.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3150.566 |
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那2026年的1到5月就已經成長到6730件 這才是1到5月 |
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3177.143 |
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那獨駕建樹的這樣的一個快速成長造成社會極度的不安當然交通部也提出相關的修法內容包含調扣改調銷出犯及累犯的一個加罰還有沒入車輛以及相關知情的同乘的一個責任那我們來看 |
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3204.594 |
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獨駕的方式當然是要從源頭的遏止獨營者的駕駛行為交通部應該是要跟警方來合作針對確認施用毒品的成癮濫用者要先吊銷他的駕照避免獨營者駕駛車輛上路交通部針對這個部分有沒有更具體的一個修法內容 來說明一下 |
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3234.367 |
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跟委員報告有關委員特別提到就是有毒飲的或曾經吸毒的這些是不是他的駕照來吊銷我想這一次在道路交通管理處條例第35條就有特別提到吸食毒品毒品迷幻迷幻藥麻醉藥品或相類似的管制藥品經警察機關確認後我們就會直接吊銷他的駕駛照所以有關如何確認那如何跟警察之間如何聯繫 |
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3235.587 |
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3251.293 |
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這一部分呢在我們後續這個法實施之後必須要有相關的串接系統就是確認他吸食毒品之後我們經過我們的串接系統來吊銷他的一個駕照我們相關的毒價的一個防治的教育 |
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3252.313 |
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3274.449 |
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還有相關的觀察樂界以及強制的戒制還有毒品的戒癮治療以及相關的毒品危害的講習這個都必須要實施那你們相關的完成這些講習以及這些治療之後他完成的六個月內 |
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3275.899 |
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3297.404 |
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必須啊還沒有再適用的這個紀錄這個也要更明確那才可以重新考照這個考照是三年的短期駕照來說明一下對我跟委員報告一下有關這樣的一個讀駕也好或者是被這個剛才講的有吸毒者我們 |
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3298.004 |
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3323.385 |
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然後會掉下他的駕駛執照然後駕駛執照會有一個進考期那進考期完了以後他是可以考領駕照的但是在考領駕照的時候就是要就是委員剛才特別提到的要經過一系列的有關像獨駕的一個防治教育或毒品的戒護毒品的戒癮治療或是毒品的危害講習等等都完了以後 |
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3324.265 |
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3339.55 |
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才可以去考照那考完照以後六個月的觀察期都沒有再吸毒這個必須要有更明確的規範跟執行這個部分在我們的這個後實施的時候在這個法規裡面會做更明確的規範那我們針對啊 |
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3341.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3352.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
歷年的再犯率的一個統計比較 司法官學院的犯罪防治研究中心他們有研究2007年到2014年 5年內的一個再犯率 |
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3356.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3367.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
其實都讓我們看得觸目驚心的 拆換率是非常高那華為部也統計相關的這些吸毒他們的兩年內的再販率也是非常高2021年33%2022年35.4%2023年 |
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達到37.7%這個再販率都是非常的高那我們針對這個部分獨家房子應該是要從源頭來開始那預防性的吊銷駕照那重新考照前就必須要進行戒指以及考照前沒有適用沒有適用紀錄這個要很明確而且短期駕照期間應該要建立追蹤的機制 |
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要求駕駛人要進行檢驗跟醫療的評估另外我們以再換機率跟風險程度來建立評估的一個機制就是說我們要以年、半年或是季不同的期間來進行定期的一個追蹤的檢查 |
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那同時伊托米茲它的代謝期最長僅僅只有三天那要建立抽菸的一個機制那我們要努力的就是說建立追蹤機制不僅避免再次出現這種食用毒品的狀況之外也是追蹤個案的狀態讓我們給予這些成癮的患者必要的輔導 |
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還有交通部有沒有跟衛福部來協商就是協調醫療體系來進行相關的協助那這個部分未來會不會納入相關的規劃呢或者是編列相關檢驗的行政費用呢來次長說明一下 |
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對 我想委員剛剛特別提到的就是有關毒癮的後續的戒癮戒治的這個問題那現在國內大概有兩個體系在做一個是司法體系在做一個是衛福部的體系在做但是不管是哪個體系來做的時候我們交通部後續大概都會跟這個兩個機關來接洽是不是交通部在因為交通部最後有考照發照的這個機制是不是有什麼方式可以在這個時候 |
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大家互相來聯繫來建立這個長期追蹤管考的一個機制那你必須要盡快的跟衛部來談一下是我們在這樣的情形下我們交通部可以再做一些什麼市長我們現在不只加重划緩而且要加強這些無照者的一個追蹤那我們公路局有統計2025年 |
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未繳納滑環但是已經被強制執行中的交通滑環金額及件數2025年是達到31億7960萬2025年的件數是高達135萬件就是未繳納滑環已經是被強制執行中件數是這麼高那行政執行署也統計以9架滑環為例2022年 |
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我們累積的案件跟新增的強制執行的件數達到18544件但是有處理的有終結執行的件數只有4195件那這個問題是非常的嚴重我們針對無照者加重處罰他可能是有部分的嚇阻的一個作用那但是如果只是增加 |
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罰款的一個做法沒有其他規範管理的一些方式的話對於部分他已經被吊銷但是他已經沒有打算要重考 |
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或是他直接就要無照駕駛而不願意繳納的這些人反而會失去約束的能力那也針對這些無照者交通部目前有沒有相關的追蹤以及規範管理的機制來說明一下 |
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來林局長我們剛剛關注的這個課題大概有兩個重點那第一個部分的話大概有一些這個動道違規包括酒駕或是無照駕駛壘犯這些然後這個前部駕然後移送強制執行後面執行的這些效率的部分那這個部分的話大概公務局各區監獄所跟各地的行政執行這個分署的部分都有合作的一個機制包括 |
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這個相關資料數位化然後財產的一個這個盤查的一個這個自動化那另外一個部分的話我們人也注點到這個各分署去幫忙提高這些強制這個執行的效率那另外一個部分的話大概也跟行政署有針對這個就是說比較重大違規的部分都列為強制執行就是優先處理的 |
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一個對象那這個部分的話公務局跟行政執行署這邊大概都有這個現在都有這個很好的一個合作這個平台的部分那第二點剛剛我們有提到就是說對於無照駕駛這些相關的一個這個部分目前大概這個公務局這邊比較側重的部分大概是在這個未成年這個無照駕駛這個就是這個輔導的一個部分 |
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那對於這個就是說成年人就是說一般這個成年人這個無照駕駛累犯這個部分的話我們後面配合新法這個部分再來研議看看是不是有更好的效率好 針對這個部分針對無照駕駛如果他獨照遭到吊銷而再次的無照駕駛他可能取得車輛的管道當然就是重新購買或者是借用親友的車輛 |
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或者是借用他人的名利來租借那針對這種這三種可能取得車輛的來源交通部是否可以嚴厲第一我們獨駕者在重新取得駕照之前提出暫時性的禁止措施這個來處理那第二就是強化宣導車輛介於使用 |
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可能會帶來的風險要加強宣導另外在租賃車方面除了車輛摸入主要會是租賃者與租賃公司之間的財產損失的一個民事問題那是否可以新增如果說以自身名義租借車輛給無照者使用的一些行政的划反來說明一下 |
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我想跟委員報告有關這次獨駕的一個修法最重要的就是不論是不是汽車所有人都一律沒入這樣的一個規定但是這個規定裡頭就會造成剛才講的租賃業者也好或者是不是有意要租給他的等等這種情形所以透過這種方式我們在討論的過程裡頭也特別提到 |
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行政法法的第22條有一個很重要的規定就是說是不是要構成這個處罰有一個是不是故意跟或有重大故意或有重大過失的這樣的情形如果沒有的話就不予處罰所以剛才特別委員特別提到如果像租車業者他已經善盡了相關的責任租了以後那這樣的一個行為是可以不用處罰 |
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但是如果有一種情形是我租給了鄰居長來跟我租車然後他就把車子又租給別人那他那樣的就變成是說鄰居長在租這個租了這個車以後他把車子交給了這個酒駕的那他就沒有善盡他就是有一點是故意或重大過失那這樣那個部分就要做處罰所以有關這樣的一個處罰的一個規定我們在後續的執行的情形會予以明確的說明讓大家都知道 |
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其實重點就是車輛不要就是跟委員特別講到不要借給這種有獨駕的行為的這個駕駛好最後我們也提到相關的同乘責任他其實他的相關的實務執行應該要明確要向社會大眾來做說明那 |
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這次獨架的修法它的核心就是一坨米子那它經常是混在電子煙油中來進行使用其實外觀難以發現那 |
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而且他們同時也添加了各種的添加劑各種不一樣的添加劑在味道上他並沒有特定的這樣的一個特徵那駕駛的過程中他也會隨時的隨手的吸食那對比酒駕他是有明確的酒味明顯的酒味或者是酒品那而且飲用的地點也相對的受限 |
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那一吞米子的這樣的一個濫用啊他這種行為除了專業的一個檢驗那或者是藥物 |
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發生 藥物作用啊它發生的產生影響啊它其實比較困難拿你察覺啊或者是跟確認那交通部有沒有宣導的策略或者是讓民眾能夠有效的辨識說它一通密子的這種濫用的行為那以及啊 乘客在現場如何讓自己避免陷入危險這個都要明確的說明啊 |
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我想委員特別關切就是說對於就是如何分辨是有吸食毒品或吸食毒品的徵兆等等的這樣的一個宣導我們後續會透過跟警政或者是司法單位大家取得相關其實我手上也有已經有的相關的這個宣導的一個特徵的資料所以這部分我們會來加強宣導在我們之前提到的相關的總統作為 |
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都可以有很明確的做法跟執行的方式但是同乘責任他在實務的執行我們要有明確的標準規範以及宣導不要讓社會來誤解或者是因為不了解產生爭議的相關狀況這是交通部必須要更有明確的一個做法是這部分我們後續會在執行的時候來加強宣導 |
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好謝謝李昆哲委員謝謝次長謝謝局長接下來我們請下一位發言侯孟楷委員發言好主席謝謝麻煩請陳次長好請次長 |
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市長好獨駕零容忍但是我們看到現在獨駕的事件還是頻傳就這兩天的新聞彰化大型連結車撞民宅獨駕車內搜出毒品還有槍彈駕駛遭羈押前兩天獨駕在三歲女兒撞入安全帽墊駕駛是育兒罔紅 |
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還有我們看到6月20號的時候5000名警力全台抓毒架一個晚上查獲155件換言之這絕對不是冰山一角這其實是過去可能因為毒品的這個檢視沒有說那麼的明確而沒有辦法及時的掌握再加上新興毒品的氾濫現在吸食這一托米子的門檻非常的低甚至可能 |
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購買也相對方便也因此造成這樣的一個漏洞但本時要講的是吸食毒品本身就已經是犯法更重要的是你不能吸食毒品之後還開車上路車子就已經變成是殺人兇器所以我想我們看到行政院的版本這邊有一起共同的方向那我就先來請教行政院的版本裡面是講是說所有毒價就是一路一路沒路車輛對不對好那我們要怎麼樣執行 |
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說明一下 因為現在的狀況 本市有看到五千名警力全台抓獨駕一個晚上 查獲一百五十五人當中扣留了一百五十四輛車好 一百五十四輛車那這是第一步扣留 就是在第一線的一個執行的時候你只要確認他是獨駕 或說那個柿子有反應車輛馬上就扣留那再來是一致保管那一致保管之後 怎麼樣 |
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移植保管車輛以後他後續呢就要看這個獨駕的一個行為因為他有的可能是如果是觸犯刑法的話就會從刑事法令的那個去去完成相關的一個程序程序都完備了以後然後才確認是要沒入這個車輛 |
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沒有 所以但是我現在講的是說我們先來版本嘛就我們要求是獨駕就是末路車輛嘛本系列版本也是如此行政版本也是如此末路車輛只是最後的這個行政處分的的最終結但是你剛剛委員會不會提到所以這樣子有可能過程的時候查到 |
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他查到的時候他的車輛就已經是我們一致保管其實就已經達到這個有一點是末路就是他不能再使用了那至於他相關的程序如果是觸犯刑法的要刑法的相關的要程序要走完的以後通常一般的案件來講走完會多久這個就要看這個不是 你們不能制定法令你不了解整個流程那如果不了解整個流程的話那有可能一個晚上就155台 |
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那我現在就探討比較務實就怎麼樣執行層面因為本席剛剛提案說明你也有聽嘛我們重點是說我們現在拉很高就是說我告訴你說獨駕就是末路車輛所以大家不要心存僥倖那但是我現在要探討就是說實際你們要怎麼執行是交通部跟法務部跟警政署大家共同要配合啊 |
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是沒有錯所以他的車子會先移到我們的監理機關監理機關所以目前監理機關有多少我們譬如說全台以台北市來講好不好台北市現在有多少譬如說獨駕我們已經這個一致的這個車輛放在監理機關 |
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跟委員報告一下我大概補充說明一下就是說第一個部分的話大概現行稽查的部分的話大概也就是說比如說這個獨駕或是這個酒駕的部分的話大概會有涉及到刑法跟這個處罰條例的一個部分那基本上這涉及到行政法的一個部分的話就是當場這個舉發然後這個一致保管車輛 |
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那一次保管車輛就會先拖回這個各執法機關的這個車輛局長你沒有聽得懂我的問題我現在是問說現在SOFA有多少因為就剛剛次長講說他不確定說這個流程要走多久假設三個月那三個月內有多少車輛就會被保管在那邊那以及我們現在講沒路如果說我們現在已經確定就是說我們的修法方案一次沒路的話那車輛就要處理嘛這是整個配套措施但目前為止沒有看到我們的配套 |
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車輛儀式保管場的部分是在各地方警察執法機關這邊所以22個縣市各執法機關都有配置這一個相關所以不是監理站是警察機關所以你剛剛也講錯了嘛好那沒關係那現在移入到警察機關之後譬如說三個月內確認那我們要沒入車輛就要做處理嘛因為不可能無限保管嘛 |
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我現在講的就是說末路車輛完之後案子裁決完 定案完之後車輛就處理了那車輛處理的部分的話各地方政府都有訂這個車輛這個就是保管處理的辦法包括拍賣包括誰執行這個消費就是 |
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各處罰機關來處理各處罰機關所以又是警政單位跟我們報告舉法是在警察機關但是裁決確定完之後處罰機關在六都就是這個交通局地方政府那在16個縣市的部分是在我們各監理機關 |
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是好來那今天我們討論相關宣傳到目前為止警政署也沒有上來然後我們地方政府也沒有來但本席要講的是市長本席為什麼會提這個問題其實就是大家已經看到我們都支持末路車輛這是本席先提出來的版本嘛但本席現在要講的是說我們後續的執行 |
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如果我們怕是說我們修法完之後沒入車輛結果到最後變成是車輛大塞車啊沒有地方去保管以及趕快要去做處理來 委員沒入車輛或車輛保管一致保管的這個在處罰條例裡頭都已有明文規定而且實施運作很久而且都有訂定相關的一個辦法在做處理所以這 |
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大部分是警察 警官所以我覺得是不是可以請警務署來說明一下這個程序所以不會造成剛才委員講的漏路了以後車輛是沒辦法處理的你現在就是本席我們就提出來的修法我現在就要問整個流程你現在很顯然就是你沒有算出那個數目嘛 |
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如果說我們一個晚上有150幾台那你要那個時間好啦 市長你這樣子你給本席一個完整的說明以及就是說你們現在整個配套那本席有提到剛剛我開宗明義提案說明的時候就有講到本席的版本跟行政院現在最大的不同就行政院是說一律沒路但是如果說他是偷來的車咧那要不要沒路 |
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這個是我剛才有跟這個委員特別提到的就是說行政法法大概22條有特別提到非出於故意過失不罰所以說原則上還要看這樣的一個行為是不是所以我們不要讓這個毒蟲他去鑽這個漏洞嘛如果說他敢已經他是吸毒了然後他故意去偷別人的車來開甚至像剛剛本席講到的彰化這個連結車他有可能那個連結車不是他自己的車他是公司車 |
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那這樣會變成是說那台車也不會沒路是不是要善盡保管責任原則上他的這個公司車的話這個被沒路的機會很大公司車也可以被沒路當然啦如果說公司這個負責人已經有告知他了但是他還是去獨駕 |
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那要看他怎麼告示他不是簡單的告示兩個字就因為他還是牽涉到公私治理啊但是本席沒有錯當然公私治理一定很重要就是說本來相關的人也有相關的責任但本席現在講的是說這個獨駕的部分這個駕駛者他也要加重處罰 |
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本席也認為是說他就如果說他有偷來的車他有或者是說去租車甚至現在相關的租車的平台很方便假設他是用這個共享機車甚至騎U-bike那這樣子會不會認定那不管怎麼樣本席認為是說只要你吸毒之後還去上路這其實就已經是不特定的殺人的一個故意也因此本席要講是說那這樣的話他應該要加重他的刑責 |
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加重行程的部分我跟委員報告要問一下法務部或其他單位因為處罰條例沒有在處理新則的那加重罰緩呢加重罰緩的話原則上我們就尊重整個委員會大家討論的一個結果所以算是可以正面不會反對就對了對於加重罰緩我們不會反對 |
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來那最後本席還在提到一個就是說這也是參考韓國現在的一個方向就是說韓國他們也面臨獨駕也是相對嚴峻也因此他們也有提出來就是連坐的一個部分但現在我們大家考慮到比較多的一個層面是說如果說乘客同車的一個乘客他要去判定說是不是明知駕駛他有吸毒來開車這可能就是一個未來在 |
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認定上面如果總不能讓這個駕駛這個乘客他就一句說他不知道然後就好像脫身脫罪所以在這個部分我們有沒有相關的配套我想這部分這個在這個法定在討論的時候過程中我們大概就有跟因為這牽涉到實務執行警察在取締的問題所以我們大概有請教過警政署那如果有必要的話等一下也可以請警政署來做說明 |
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那原則上呢 剛才委員特別提到的各種情勢呢還是要依個案的事實來判定他是不是是否已經知道明知或可得知駕駛人施用毒品以及是否未盡勸阻的義務等等來判斷他是不是可以免責所以原則上不會是說他一句說他不知道 他不知道就可以脫罪是 對不對因為那相關的一個處理程序我們也是會在後續施行的時候來跟大家明確的宣導 |
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好 因為食物上其實這就是次長你有抓到重點食物上很有可能現在依托米子因為電子煙相對方便也因此很多的獨駕其實他的樣態是邊開邊吸那如果說邊開邊吸的話同車的駕駛不可能不知道這第一個第二個為什麼會講是說同車的駕駛會讓這一個人開車說不定同車的駕駛吸更多 |
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可能他譬如說兩三個人這跟酒駕其實是類似的酒駕一台車譬如兩三個人的時候為什麼會指定那個駕駛開車可能是因為四個人三個人都有喝酒那只是那個人喝的相對少然後他來開車那一樣的道理如果說獨駕的話 |
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會不會同車都有吸食的一個狀況那當然同車的駕駛該檢驗譬如說攔檢到車輛駕駕駛假設有毒價反應的話同車駕駛是不是應該也要一併來做一個毒價的毒品的檢視這一點在實務上來講是不是應該要一起支持這可能就要由現場執行的員警來判斷警政署能幫我回答一下今天交通警政署來的單位是交通組的副組長 |
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呃 該委員報告一下那個車子攔查下來的時候我們會看看車駕駛人還有其他車主如果現場有毒品的話我們可能都會一併帶回去這個車內有毒品就是所有同車都一起幾乎我們都會帶回去N一下是啦 那但是我現在講說比較現場實務的狀況是如果說第一你還沒有辦法攔 |
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盤查車裡面的狀況嘛那你第一步一定是先檢視這個駕駛人的反應嘛那駕駛人反應之後就先讓他做試紙的一個測試那測試完假設是陽性反應 有吸毒那同車乘客是不是一併也一起測試 |
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觀察看看其他車族他有沒有如果是有其他不是觀察比較有可能的因為大概通車的情況來講都是吸毒人口會聚集的比較多一點是嘛這就實務上的狀況嘛實務上的大概是這個情形跟那我們看看這個通車有沒有其他比如說小朋友這些我們都不困住我們只會注重有沒有類似吸毒人口聚集在一起的這種關聯性比較大的 |
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那就做一個一個觀察如果需要的話我們就待會去做一個後續的一個盤查好所以這就是警務警政署的第一線的一個經驗那我想交通部我們這邊也了解就是說在修法的過程裡面我們就共同就是獨駕連坐其實它的意義在於是互相提醒跟互相要求就不要開車 |
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你吸毒已經是違法了那你就不要開車上路那如果說你還敢跟已經吸毒的人駕駛一起開車上路抱歉你也有責任你也有不管是刑責不管是罰款都要一併連帶責任要求他們就是這樣子互相警惕不要開車這跟嚇阻酒駕是一樣的概念 |
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獨駕更為嚴峻是因為你可能邊開邊吸會造成更多人不確定的因素的一個傷亡好不好那我們逐條討論的時候也請次長也請相關同仁針對本席的版本能夠加強的態度我們加強還有更重要當我們修法三讀通過之後報導讓大家知道現在獨駕就是一摩托車一樣你開超跑我摸超跑你騎摩托車我摸摩托車 |
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你開什麼車我就沒什麼車讓他知道不要上路最重要好不好謝謝謝謝韓文凱委員的發言謝謝次長各個單位現在請徐富奎委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們交通部陳次長好 請陳次長公務局林局長請林局長警政署陳副組長好 請警政署陳副組長 |
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委員好市長 局長早安好我想這個獨駕最近這個幾乎每一天的新聞報導都可以看得到這個獨駕的一個造勢的一個狀況那也造成這個社會人心惶惶那未來政府如何重振重拾人民的這個上路的一個信心我想應該也是行政院跟我們相關的一個部會團隊應該努力的一個方向所以這個我看我們院長也提出這個獨駕 |
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林榮文的一個相關的一個政策啦那不然我看今天早上我有看到新聞我們今天行政院的院會應該也會針對獨教有一些重要的一些宣示嘛 陰害防止跳例對嘛 應該有這樣的一個做法那不過根據我們調閱的相關資料 |
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從今年的1月到2月道路交通的事故裡面因為吸食這個毒價造成這個死亡的人數有高達4人那受傷的人數68人相較於去年同期10人增加了6.2倍之多那我們刑事警察局統計截至今年到5月為止一共查獲的毒價高達6730件那我們以相關的公共危險來移送 |
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以統計來看每天平均就有44位的一個獨家的一個案件上路非常非常的恐怖那我想當然我們現在包含交通部也好我們這個警政署也好我們大家應該要共同來面對這樣一個問題不過我想最近我們也發現一個狀況 |
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因為現在有許多的這個我們的年輕朋友他們一邊抽這個電子鹽一邊開車或是騎車那我們可能就會有熱心的民眾誤認為這個會不會是一個獨家的一個行為那這樣的一個取締甚至一個這個彼此不信任的一個感覺自然怎麼看待這樣的一個狀況 |
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我想這個獨駕的一個行為就是一個是應該要大家共同來防治的所以剛才特別提到就是說這個開車一邊使用這個電子煙原則上電子煙本來就是一個違禁品 |
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然後相關的 所以剛才特別提到今天院會大概會通過有關沿海防止條例的相關的規定從販賣運送持有等等的都會予以加以處罰等等的所以有關這部分我們是認為支持這樣的一個政策啦也應該要這樣走 |
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好那不過我想這個當然我們行政院現在針對我們不一樣的多重面向來嚴防獨家事件不過還是有幾個問題必須要再做討論那因為現在因為我們的唾液的篩檢快篩還是有存在一個尾音性的一個問題那所以我們第一線的執法的同仁他現在大概只能用 |
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先用肉眼來判斷說這個可能這個行為上面有明顯失控甚至可能有一些的疑似度假的狀況所以我們應該很容易去做處理但是針對剛吸食不久還沒有發作甚至這個還沒有達到這個四季敏感的門檻的時候可能會變成漏網之雨那針對這部分我們警政署有沒有什麼樣的一個作為 |
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跟委員報告在114年的11月20號到今年的3月31號我們原型的那個查獲的那個唾篩四季陽性的獨駕我們都是依照那個作業程序的規定完成那個唾篩跟採尿的部分然後比對經比對那個檢體跟那個 |
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他的那個毒品的項目都是比對都是準確的然後顯示那個我們的那個破篩的那個快篩的陽性的預測率是達到100%都沒有那個偽陰或是偽陽的那個情勢 |
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所以我們第一線執法我們不會只要有發現疑似狀況我們就是一律來做檢測嗎那是要有那個獨駕的那個增後的情形之下那我剛提的是說如果說他剛稀釋不久表面上看起來都合適合適你們會不會做這個一個檢測 |
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有稀釋一定會啊假如他有那個毒品的那個症候的話我們就會做這個檢測我剛講的意思就是第一線因為我剛稀釋可能我看起來是好好的啊但是我事實上我是獨家上路了啊你們怎麼去判斷這個狀況這個應該不難回答吧 |
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如果這樣子連這樣都沒辦法處理,那我看很多漏網之魚,這很麻煩如果我們車內有發現伊托米子吸食器之類的情況的話我們會即便他剛吸食,如果員警有發現毒品的話,我們還是會請他使用唾篩試劑對嘛,所以我的意思就是說我們應該要用更謹慎的態度來做這樣的一個處理啊 |
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好 應該是這樣子嘛 對對對要不然不是等到他發生事故之後才發現是獨家 那就不會有錢了是不是這樣子 對對對所以警政署應該是跟我們第一線同樣應該是要有更嚴謹的SOP才對吧有有有 我們都有在宣導 各類匯報都會在加強宣導那剛剛我們有提到說這個篩檢率是100%對 |
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所以我們現在有針對更精準的一個快篩工具來進行研發嗎因為這個上有政策下有對策這個毒品的樣態越來越多這個製造的人也越來越厲害我們有沒有做怎樣一個經濟的一個作為 |
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因為我們目前的話我們採購的試劑都是採符合歐盟跟規範跟美國FDA認證的一個拓篩試劑那像最近的話可能依托秘職會有人反映說可能他有其實比較就是他的拓篩試劑可能會 |
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需要濃度比較高才檢測出來那我們要我們有為了要提升那個快篩檢驗量呢我們會向市際的供應商要求我們要檢測預值會全面降低這樣是啦我想我們還是要與時俱進的真的這樣的一個犯罪的一個太陽的不斷的精進我們應該要有積極的作為 |
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那所以我想我有兩點的建議第一個針對我們這個毒品的快篩工具我們應該研擬更精準的一個工具來作為處理那第二個我們應該嚴防拒絕毒價者重新來考照那針對這部分能不能請次長說明一下我們目前有沒有什麼積極的作為 |
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我想跟委員報告原則上這個獨駕我們現在行的做法都是直接吊銷駕照吊銷駕照以後只有兩種情形可以來考那我先講說終身不得考照當然你如果是獨駕以後致人重傷或死亡那就是終身不得考所以就是委員剛剛講你有獨駕就不可能這種情形就不會 |
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那另外一次你如果有獨駕你是單純的獨駕那有被吊銷駕照三年不得考幾年不得考如果累積達六年不得考的話他也是終身不得考照所以簡單的講就是你如果獨駕兩次第二次以後就是終身不得考了就是沒有這個機會唯一有的話就是單純的這個獨駕 |
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這種情形才有所謂重新考驗但是重新考驗也是要經過相關的借引或是講習教育之後而且有觀察六個月沒有再有吸毒的情形我們才會發給教授所以原則上我們是以最嚴謹的態度來處理這個獨駕再重考的一個作為 |
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那個市長再請教一下那如果拒絕讀測我們是一律吊銷嗎那三年之內不得重新考照那但是到底他這個拒絕讀測的人到底有沒有吸毒這部分這我們就不問了那所以我想這個部分因為警察在執行的時候他就會明確告訴他現在正在做獨駕或者是酒駕的一個測試我們就不問 |
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是 那所以我們也希望藉由今天的這個我們的一個修法能夠去做嚴謹的一個重新的一個檢討讓我們的鄉親能夠安心的這個在路上的交通不會因為獨駕受到影響那最後一個我想還有一個問題我們最近這個中部有發生一個感染HIV的一個校車的一個司機造成這個多位女性被性侵甚至造成傳染的一個案件市長有沒有掌握這個狀況嗎 |
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這個我們有所了解有了解那未來針對這樣的一個職業駕駛的部分我們是不是有相關的一個規範甚至盤點這個職業駕駛適任的規範甚至有個差的一個機制這部分能不能請我們公務局來做個說明還是 |
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這個部分跟委員報告一下委員這個畫面所呈現的部分的話這個處罰條例的部分是針對這一個計程車的部分那這個校車司機的一個部分它是屬於這一個就是大型車職業駕駛人的一個部分那這個目前就是說目前校車的部分的話大概就是這一個學校然後採購然後委外這一個辦理的部分 |
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那這裡面大概就會牽涉到三個一個這個課題第一個部分就是說公司治理的一個部分那公司治理的一個部分的話如果現行這個公司如果要請司機的話那在我們的假期裡面相關違規的一個部分是這個包括是不是有這個酒駕只要是駕輪違規的部分的話這個這個僱主都可以來做一個這個等於說受僱前的一個這個查詢 |
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那這個受僱之後他也可以隨時都可以來查詢他所屬駕駛人這些相關的一個狀況那第二個部分的話第二個部分就是說這一個學校啦這個學校在就是說辦理採購委託這些相關的一個部分其實對於這個就是說受僱的這個業者的部分還有相關駕駛人基本上是可以訂一些採購條件的一個這個要求 |
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我的意思是我只是提醒說因為當然我知道這個學校部分是規範這個校車的這個部分但是未來針對職業駕駛的一個資料庫的建立甚至他可能他不當校車司機搞不好他跑去當其他的職業別的一個職業駕駛我們有沒有這樣的一個機制去防堵這樣的一個狀況讓一些惡行惡狀甚至可能會造成社會危害的一個惡性的職業駕駛應該不適合再做這樣的一個工作我們這樣一個嚴謹的一個規範 |
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因為委員提到的部分大概會牽涉到兩個層面的課題啦如果說純粹交通違規的部分公務局本身資料庫就有啦那如果說涉及到一些刑事法律的那個部分的話可能這個因為這個資料的借鑑必須要有法令的一個依據 |
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那裡面但是實際上現在處理的部分的話就是說不管什麼公司這個受僱員工的一個部分如果說有需要的話要避免一些相關情況的話應該都可以請這個受僱人員工來做查詢嗎對 提供一些相關自我證明的部分所以我想這部分還是請教我們應該來做一個這個跨部的一個 |
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甚至就是說那個雇主也應該可以做一個查核然後避免這個造成一些危害學生或是一些職業行為的一個滋生的一個漏洞我想應該自己來努力一下好不好好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝許副委員的發言謝謝市長跟各位官員接下來我們請許智傑委員發言 |
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在許議員發言前我提醒一下我們列席官員待會在第一次發言前發言前可能要稍微說明一下你們的這個單位跟姓名因為這才辦法列入公報因為像剛剛回應的部分有些不是本來在宣稱沒有宣告的官員所以你們回應的時候我的公報上沒辦法記錄所以待會各位發言的時候可能要稍微講一下自己的職期跟單位以上的說明謝謝好謝謝主席我們請次長好請次長 |
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市長好我想每一個委員幾乎都會關心獨家的問題那最近事實上社會上對獨家的厭惡度真的是提高很多那你看獨家的這個數目字事實上真的是增加的非常的快 |
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前年是2131,去年是8659今年第一劑就已經3223那到5月的數目字是6730所以這麼多件的獨駕那前一陣子又有桃園媽媽還載著女兒然後發生了車禍 |
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所以獨駕、酒駕其實我們幾乎都是零容忍那現在交通部定了這一個規定你們新研擬的方案是他惡意拒車的時候可以吊扣吊扣他的車子 對不對 |
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他如果是就是惡意拒策的話我們就吊銷他的價格吊銷執照然後還有吊扣車子車輛也是沒入車輛不是吊扣就是沒入車輛沒入是怎樣沒收沒收這是私人財產就直接把它沒收所以說法律要有明文規定要做這個這個你們有查過是OK嗎OK |
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這個我們在這個處罰條例沒入不是不是這次才有類似像這樣的規定在處罰條例就直接把車子沒收有車輛沒入還是那如果首次獨駕跟連續壘犯他基本上就是罰款之外就是吊銷駕照反正額度也會不一樣 |
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他累犯他的這個處罰的額度會不一樣我們時數超過40的車子是吊扣半年嗎那個牌照吊扣半年超數嘛對那是吊扣完了半年之後車債還給他對那超數超過40跟獨駕是誰比較嚴重 |
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獨駕相對嚴重很多是啊 所以我在想說是不是獨駕有沒有機會防超速超過40不要調扣啊我們現在獨駕是直接沒入啊不是啊 你獨駕是第三次這是惡意你第一次跟第二次來有沒入嗎第一次就沒入了第一次就沒入了 |
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所以只要是獨駕車子通通沒收那是蠻嚴重的很嚴重很嚴重意思就是說獨駕是無法容忍的啦就是這樣講所以你的駕照我也要做最嚴厲的處分就是吊銷車輛就是要修起來沒錄所以只要是獨駕的車子 |
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被我們檢測出來就直接沒收只有像酒駕也好或什麼只有在致人重傷或死亡的時候才沒入那個車輛現在是獨駕是不因為獨駕實在太危險每次發生的事故幾乎都會有人死亡所以只要獨駕車子就沒收未來的修法是朝這個方向這大概什麼時候可以完成 |
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我們已經把這個修正草案送進大院來了所以希望如果可以進行這次的審查 禁訴來讓大家共同討論那我們再拜託召委 我們就盡快排好那再來呢 我們的那個交通公園交通公園現在目前桃園已經做好了 已經開幕了嘛 對不對 |
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那鳳山這個已經做好了嗎鳳山已經做好了現在已經在規劃要舉辦正式開幕的典禮大概什麼時候8月我想是這樣啦我們就是到時候請部長我們是不是開一個那個就是考察吧 |
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我們就考察就請部長也一起下去目前大概會規劃舉辦一個啟用典禮會規劃舉辦一個啟用典禮看到時候是不是併著交委會的考察行程這個我們都可以配合辦理 |
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這個我是這樣建議啦 就是這交通教育其實跟品德也都有很大的關係啦那我們交通教育其實應該是從小開始做所以上一次有問過就是我們交通部跟教育部目前有對這個交通教育有做一個聯繫了嗎 |
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有 我們在這個 整個道安的體系裡頭 教育是一個很重要的一環所以我們在那裡頭有相當的一個聯繫對 我是建議就是說 我們就是交通部 這個交通公園新北也有 台北也有嘛新竹 然後桃園 高雄 高雄在我們鳳山 |
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那現在就是說如果是各地縣市政府教育局去辦校外教學那當然這個我們都會盡量去鼓勵那如果說教育部能夠也有所作為的話是不是可以請各地的教育局動的機會會比較大那這個部分交通部跟教育部聯繫的狀況如何 |
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我簡單先跟委員報告一下有關委員剛才特別提到的交通公園等等的教育部要扮演很重要或是當地的教育主管機關要扮演很重要的角色這一個我記得這個在桃園監理站或是高雄所他們的那個交通公園等等的都有達到這樣的都會跟當地的縣市政府合作 |
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然後透過縣市政府的教育單位來有一點是鼓勵這些校外教學或者是小學以上都要到這一個的交通公園去做一個上課都有這樣的一個機制那委員特別提到要跟教育部來真正的類似讓更緊密的合作這部分我想我們後續我舉個最簡單的例子你看日本小孩子過馬路是不是看到他們都會舉手 |
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台灣小孩子你有看過幾個棘手我的子女會棘手而且會叫我說阿伯你也要去守對啊 這個其實是很簡單的概念因為就是說他那個小孩子的視角小孩子的視角跟我們大人的視角不一樣那個大人視角用眼睛的餘光他可以看很寬小孩子視角就是比較窄他沒有辦法像我們看那麼寬 |
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那再來就是說小孩子事實上因為他身高都比較矮嘛所以我們其實你看日本小孩子你去日本考察一下你注意看一下他們幾乎每個小孩子過馬路就會舉手那個當然就增加高度嘛增加高度讓人家比較容易看到他這個其實是一個很簡單的交通教育啦但是你台灣的小孩子是你的孩子會舉手一般的你可以在路上看大部分的小孩子都不會 |
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尤其是幼稚園 幼稚園現在也因為這個有在推廣所以看到有些幼稚園帶出去的時候那個整隊的幼稚園他們也舉手所以我就說這個其實就是交通安全教育這從小扎根所以就是說我們交通部如果更重視跟教育部有更重視的話我們上馬路就可以看得到其實這很容易測試 |
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是不是就是交通部也希望說這些多做一下跟教育部多聯繫那做一下共同的宣導這個其實保護孩子的安全是我們非常重要的職責這個部分是不是請交通部也跟教育部能夠多保持聯繫是 我們來如何加強那我們要測成果很簡單去馬路走一走看看小朋友有沒有舉手就知道 |
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好 好不好是是希望說交通部這部分也能夠多加強好 是好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝許智傑委員謝謝我們次長和各位官員接下來我們請萬美玲委員發言好 謝謝召委 我們有請次長好 請次長 |
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市長好 我想今天獨駕的這件事情是一個非常大的重點當然我們也因為看到近來獨駕的這個案件數越來越多而且傷害越來越大 所以這個事情值得重視當然針對之前不管是交通部 我們相關的部會我們都有在做一些努力 這個我是肯定的但是我們看到行政院版的盜交處罰條例 |
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這個修正草案裡面第35條第一項酒駕跟毒駕的罰環的部分竟然是跟現行的條文一致這件事情本席不太能接受我記得當時本席在交通委員會的時候有跟部長其實我們聊過那當時在質詢的內容我們也講到說希望毒駕跟酒駕要能夠脫鉤那脫鉤之後毒駕來加重處罰 |
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不過現在看到雖然我們現在以下等一下要討論有一些地方我們已經是加重了不過在這個罰環的部分都是機車是在罰1萬5以上這個9萬以下汽車是這個3萬以上這個12萬以下那雖然說今天我們都有在講說我們現在因為增訂獨駕我們就吊銷駕照然後沒入車輛那我們當然覺得這樣的重罰是好的可是為什麼我們不把罰環的部分來一併提高呢 |
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這個我們當時沒有 是因為現行現行的制度裡面 獨駕就跟酒酒駕跟獨駕他的罰環就是拉開的第一次譬如說在這裡頭他現在罰的是一樣的他現在雖然是叫做三萬到如果是以汽車先講汽車如果汽車是三萬元以上 十二萬元以下的罰環但是我們會有一個統一裁罰處理細則的一個裁罰標準講清楚一點 |
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在那個標準裡面就講得很清楚如果你是酒駕汽車應該是第一次多少三萬但是獨駕就是二萬就是本身就是分開了所以我們在這裡才沒有那個次長我覺得這不能這樣說因為第一個呢你現在的意思是說在罰款的部分呢兩個本來就是分開的你的 |
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這兩個還是有差距 都是一樣的划環應該這樣說啦 因為現在我們在這個汽車的部分不管酒駕跟獨駕 我們都是三萬以上嘛十二萬以下嘛 只是你現在的意思是說如果今天是酒駕的話 你就是三萬如果是獨駕就一次罰到最高 您的意思是這樣嘛 對不對我覺得這不對啊 這個我們在法上面來講我們還是適用在這個任局當中我們適用的還是在三萬甚至十二萬當中嘛 |
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那本席以及上市部長講的 我們要把他脫鉤以後 為什麼要脫鉤脫鉤不是沒事早日做 是脫鉤以後要把他重罰嘛 對不對就像你現在為什麼你處理酒駕跟獨駕你在這個吊銷駕照跟這個沒路車輛也是不一樣的做法所以當然罰還也要有不一樣的做法啊本席認為這個是不是我們忽略了這一點 |
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我跟委員講不是我們忽略啦就是說我們也是對外來講是脫鉤的他本身就是一個是三萬跟一個是十二萬然後罰款額度也不一樣那至於說這個表達的方式如果認為說這樣的表達方式不是很可以讓大家能夠了解的話在討論的時候我們也可以把這樣的 |
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當然當然 市長我覺得這個分兩個第一個呢 如果說這是一種說法那我建議啦 我覺得我們應該要把它訂得更清楚一點第二個 如果按照您所說的確實它是已經脫鉤了既然脫鉤了 我覺得獨家就應該要再加重發還啦所以這個是本席兩個意見 請市長帶回去 |
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那另外我們在看到在這個道交處罰條例跟道路交通安全條例裡面這一次我們都有增訂就是我們毒飲者跟毒駕被吊銷駕照之後要完成毒駕防治教育還有觀察樂界 強制戒制還有毒品成癮治療 毒品危害獎習等等這之後完成以後才能夠重新去考領駕照 |
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那這部分相關的有沒有跟我們衛福部去討論過要怎麼去執行有沒有辦法有訂定出來了嗎 |
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我想跟委員報告在這一方面呢有關這裡特別剛剛有特別提到不管是毒品的戒飲或觀察樂界或強制戒制或者是你不要再重念一次好不好你回答我就好了這時間有限我們都有在法條討論的過程都有跟衛福部等相關單位討論過那要怎麼執行這個辦法有嗎 |
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制定出來了嗎我們後續我們會在這裡頭我們會另訂一個辦法我們會要另訂一個辦法本席在問您的就是辦法訂出來了嗎辦法目前還沒有訂那多久才會訂出來我們會在母法通過之後在施行之前把它訂出來 |
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好 那我覺得這個執行很重要不要說你空有一個想法跟計畫但執行出了一些問題所以辦法很重要那再來我想據統計資料看來獨營者一年內復發率是極高的這個數據你們一定有尤其我想在本席的選區桃園 |
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這個我們也看到了幾件毒價的慘劇所以今年你看截至5月我們查獲的毒價在91個案例當中有高達94%是有毒品前科的其中又有將近兩成也就是18%是有毒價前科的所以次長本期看到您說要完成戒癮治療跟毒品危害講習然後6個月後就可以換發3年的短期駕照這個6個月是怎麼計算出來的本期真的覺得太短 |
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谢谢观看 |
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市長我想跟委員報告一下剛剛委員特別提到這個毒癮啊戒治啊這是他我們在你要來考照之前其實就有一個三年不得考所以他其實你市長本行沒有問你考照這件事我現在是要我不是問你那樣那個考照的事我的意思是說你現在這些什麼完成戒癮治療啊毒品講解六個月後你就可以換發三年的短期駕照給他嘛對不對那為什麼是六個月我現在問的是為什麼是六個月 |
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因為我們看到統計的數據就是一年內復發的機率是很高那你怎麼定六個月啊這是戒癮治療完了以後我們再觀察他戒癮都已經完了那刺掌那個那麼可愛戒癮治療完那毒癮者一年內的復發率難道是在邊吸毒的時候叫做邊復發嗎不是嘛就是你戒毒之後才叫做復發嘛那你就是一直在講說那戒癮治療結束了你又說他一年後復發 |
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沒有 那個市長市長你可能仔細聽一下就說 你看嘛 你有抽菸嗎 |
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你沒有抽菸抽菸的人都知道其實我們戒菸之後可能有一段時間每比半年也許一年有的是一年多其實他可能就沒辦法那個菸飲又來了我簡單舉這個例子所以毒飲在一年之內就是毒飲在一年之內其實它在復發這個率是很高的那大家本身是認為說你這個六個月這個時間本身是覺得比較短的一點是不是應該要再更長一點更確保一點 |
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我想跟委員報告他六個月以後我們是給換花給他駕照但是他只要再有剛才委員特別提到在護花再去吸毒或是去酒駕的話我們一樣又吊銷他駕照他又不能考不能取得駕照所以又在這個輪迴裡面所以不會有這個問題啦真的不會有這個問題 |
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你可以保證絕對不會有這個問題嗎所謂不會有這個問題就是說它只要是毒價或吸毒我們都可以在第一時間做處理市長您剛剛說絕對不會有這個問題指的是不會有什麼問題我所謂不會有問題就是說我們會嚴格的來管制您剛剛有說一個嘛您剛剛說我保證絕對不會有這個問題您指的是不會有什麼問題 |
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我沒有這樣講啊我講的是我認為六個月的時間其實短了那為什麼不能拉長一點更確保無虞啊那你說你保證不會有這個問題是保證它不會再復發還是不會再肇事還是不會再獨駕你是保證什麼 |
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我保證是說如果他有毒價或者是有酒價的吸毒的情勢我們知道了以後我們一定會做處理這是兩碼子事嘛市長答詢不要這樣答詢啦那本席我覺得我提出來是覺得我覺得既然我們有一些數據是說毒癮一年內的復發率極高所以本席也希望說我們是不是能夠啊就是在這個講習都完成之後呢那觀察一年用一年的時間才能喚起這個短期駕照我覺得會更安全一點所以希望這個部分這個市長能夠帶回去喔 |
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那最後我簡單的再講一個部分就最近我們看到交通部推動就5月31號上路75歲以上就是75歲本來是要換發這個駕照那現在下修到70歲那這個影響有128萬名的高齡駕駛人受到影響那那個次長一個數據 |
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交通部自己說5月31號到6月18號已經辦理了換照人數有25082人那實際上去換照的是22847人那另外自動繳回有2235按照這樣算換照率只有1.96%那這個有符合你當初設定的目標嗎那什麼時候要達成全面換照 |
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跟我們報告一下就是說下修到70歲的部分他基本上有這一個兩年的緩衝有兩年的緩衝在這一個兩年內來換完照都這一個符合規定那就是說從5月31號其實大概就是拜託好不好我時間其實已經超過你們不要這樣打詢啦這有沒有符合你當初設定的目標 |
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複合複合就是這個1.96%是複合的那你有沒有設定說大概幾年內要完成全面換照我們希望兩年內全部換完多久希望兩年內大家都已經兩年內是不是那另外就是說我們要讓這些長輩這些長者能夠 |
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方便換照他們才會有意願來換照那你看你設定了一個就是說一站式的換照服務那是希望比照像我們這個原名鄉鎮的服務對象等等就是30公里以上你設定了一個可以換照一個服務的一個區域這個距離會不會太長了有沒有跟地方縣市政府或監理站去談過說那怎麼樣讓他縮短一點讓長輩方便換照 |
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跟委員報告就是說所謂設定30公里這個大概是現在這個偏鄉這個下鄉考照這樣子的部分啦但是現在我們12上面在這個操作上就是跟縣市地方鎮的區公所這一個有溝通嗎只要他們願意提供場地這些相關的部分我們都可以配合來辦理那另外一個部分我也跟委員報告以目前換到現在兩萬多人的部分其實是在偏鄉換照率比這個都會需要好 |
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那這樣很好因為我想民團其實非常擔憂就是說其實高齡的長者如果換照不易那或者他們的習慣一時還沒有辦法轉換過來那你想想看就是說今天他駕照到的時候滿街可能都是我們很多的長輩都在無照駕駛我覺得沒有解決掉就是高齡駕駛的問題又衍生出來其他的這個交通問題所以就是比較麻煩所以這個部分的話要拜託那最後一點最後一個小點那個一分鐘 |
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在我本身知道在美國加州有建立醫師通報機制不曉得這個次長知不知道他就是針對可能會影響駕車的疾病的部分包括像癲癇或者嚴重的失智或他有這個突發性的暈眩等等他會直接連線監理站那可能在某一個時間期間內他會把這個患者暫時的扣照這個部分有沒有跟衛福部也討論過 |
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跟委員報告這個有關這樣的一個資料借接我們在這一次的處罰條例已經修過了剛剛才應該是前一兩次已經修過了可以有借接的一個機制我們現在正在做處理有修過了怎麼修就是說有幾種情形像剛剛委員特別提到的癲癇或者是還有 |
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施治等等的幾種情形我們會去借接衛福部啦或者是勞動部等等那這樣好不好 次長您會後啊把就是說您現在說已經修過了相關的辦法然後呢跟各部會討論的結果送一份到本席辦公室來好不好是是是好 謝謝好沒問題 謝謝好 謝謝魏百齡委員的發言謝謝次長跟各位官員我們稍後在陳慶隆委員發言後休息十分鐘接下來我們請魯明哲委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳次長好 請次長防務部謝參事以及我們警政署交通組陳副組長好 請陳副組長委員好好這個因為應該是上個禮拜吧18號 |
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我又看到卓院長的一個反讀宣誓的一個記者會其實我的真的心情是感慨比感動多啦我不知道我們所有的國民朋友看到這樣是什麼感覺因為第一個我特別想到印象深刻因為那一年2020年我第一次擔任立委從地方到中央不久之後 |
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就看到當時我們蘇院長行政院在109年9月29號真的正式發布第1次106年到109年也是我們小英政府的他認為第一期推動新世代反毒策略1.0大有成就成效著住那天的這個新聞稿 |
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新興毒品吸食人數大幅降低超過三成已經發揮了惡質的成效還在行政院的網頁上發揮成效投入了一百億用的方法是什麼 阻毒源我們就是阻絕這些毒品的原料在境外結果到了五六年之後我們記者還在講這些廢話 |
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那時候就已經喊過了 成功了 我們主獨園強力查緝所以106年到109年 成效卓著所以我為什麼感慨啊那114年開始 所以當天又宣示因為前四年成效卓著 我們乘勝追擊接下來四年到113年我們的策略是跨部會 跨地方 跨領域 整體作戰 |
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要斷毒三流金流、人流跟物流毒品我告訴你現在讓我們人民的感覺這三流啊物流、毒品滿街跑欣欣向柔不管是毒品的產業甚至私用毒品的個人 |
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人數大幅增加那不要講說經由於到底做什麼東西啊投入150億那我們再看看成績喔第二期第一期大有成就有109年宣誓之後從110年我們就看獨駕移送獨駕移送的人數從一年4346位到113年第二期喔結束那一年成長了60倍我先請法務部 |
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法務部 你說明一下因為我看了那個文章一千五六百字文情並茂文情並茂我是真的很感動又很感慨因為當天109年那個文章因為我看是法務部教育部就是可能又組成國家隊你們領銜發的最後一句話讓我最感動但現在也很感慨說 |
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我們這樣的二期作為之後我們使毒害遠離人民安居樂業讓台灣防毒如同防疫成為世界之光 |
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你有沒有覺得現在是被打耳光啊法務部你們當時這樣到底發生什麼事就你的角度啊你的見解我想這是一個很複雜的問題但是我看到當年你們這樣的第二期防治成效結果如何有沒有如同防疫成為世界之光法務部你說一下現在狀況 |
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謝謝主席 謝謝委員的垂詢那其實針對這個毒品作戰這個議題跟毒品的作戰本來就是一個長期的一個過程那當中大會是起伏了那早年我們其實在 |
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取締新興毒品上面在屢次獲得一些成效但必須說依托民脊的流行其實是最近這幾年的事情那因為他的快速的散播性那以及在年輕人在搭配電子菸之後整個情勢又整個又要燒上來那其實不管是我們華部以及我們小校所下來排高檢的部分其實都針對新興毒品的防治其實都有不停的在滾動檢討提出相關的這個防治的措施 |
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謝謝陳三世因為畢竟今天你們來的也不是部長次長要你回答太廣泛的問題對你也不公平但是就我們回頭看109年那個宣誓就好像上個禮拜院長講的差不多然後等於是大失敗大失敗暴政但你們要注意一下因為113年正好是賴金德總統上任那一年發生了什麼事呢113年 |
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比四年前暴增了六十倍結果14年呢14年全年暴增到兩百倍光是這個獨駕的事件變成八千多件今年的前五個月 |
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跟去年比較又差不多多六倍你知道嗎我很難想像很難想像我們希望現在大家提醒全力防範在今年是能夠看出成效的不然這樣的發展下去今年可能是明年的再兩到三倍這是非常非常嚴重的那我們請次長 |
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市長其實今天我們這個在獨駕發生這樣一個嚴重的事情我們所有國民都非常痛恨那在這樣的一個情況之下現在道交條例未來的刑法跟危險罪可能包括毒品危害防治條例 |
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三法齊發從行政到刑法到毒品的專法希望能夠有效去前置但是我擔心是說這些法規又不是一天兩天的又不是一天兩天的那我就請教一下你自己看這個毒價的這樣的一個事件快速增加的您說快速增加的主要理由你說一下 |
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我想剛才參事有特別提到其實就是一些新興毒品的快速的在國內蔓延所以有關毒價的問題會有這樣的一個情形然後最主要是查緝的方式剛才也特別提警政署也特別提到他們用唾液快篩的方式所以可以很快的把這樣的有毒價的行為的架繩找出來所以也造成了這個可以看到這樣的一個件數一直在攀高 |
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次長跟警政署我是覺得其實我們很多一個政策到最後都很辛苦很悲哀都是最後一關末端在補破網你根本也補不上追不及每次移民署看那幾個移民官在追這個外籍的逃跑移工 |
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因為前端沒人管後面你們就拼命所以按照道理我們現在嚴懲獨駕其實在某種的一個角度是表示我們漏洞太大了前面源頭是完全沒有辦法什麼阻絕毒品原料於境外沒有一件源頭做到了所以我們今天警政署的我們交通組的 |
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包括你們在這只有在獨駕但是你們獨駕只能抓一個辦一個啦抓一個辦一個我們希望還是要有整體的一個績效那當然上四年代就是剛剛說的伊多米子新興毒品但是新興毒品事實上你們這兩年兩年來從三級毒品現在把它變成一級毒品那這個是要法務部再來說一下嗎 |
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那個是確實要變成一級毒品這樣的腐爛使用那兩年前兩年前你們沒有感覺到這種威脅嗎 |
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沒有我們希望這樣好不好我們有政府會做事我們國民都會尤其防毒這檔事有一堆人擋在前面密不透風這是國民的想法不是我的想法那就請問一下兩年前你完全無法預設到這樣情況當時法務部的一個你們主導這個事情的立場把他列在三級毒品的想法是這樣是不是你說一下 |
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跟委員報告其實列為幾級毒品這個事情其實有個機制在跑那在法部底下設一個審議會這審議會的相關專家學者會就他毒品的危害性所以你們幾級毒品主要的幾個原則是什麼你說一下大原則 |
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其實會按照這個毒品它的危害性跟它的成癮性還有它的可能造成的這個危險性它目前的社會的關注度有多高那伊托米齒因為這幾年確實濫用狀況有比較嚴重所以它在我們最近已經審議會已經通過然後有報行政院這邊要把它提升為第一級毒品那相對應的提升毒品之後它相對應的就是它的處罰的刑責不管在施用或是散布或是販賣上面都會有大幅的提升 |
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好我知道那我們來看看齁你剛剛特別講的他的腐爛的程度幾個指標那我們現在看到所有的毒品毒價是有具體資料警政署提供的是最腐爛的目前最嚴重的而且不是新興的是很早時代用到現在的 |
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是安非他命 安非他命就是在獨家驗出來是75%那第二名當然是一脫彌子 當然因為第二名的話他是會斷片的 那很嚴重啊那這樣的一個幅度的話 第二名的以%數以氾濫程度來看獨家的這個部分 你們沒有一併討論安非他命嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為這個的認定必須還是要報到省議會這邊來處理那因為我本人也不是省議會的成員所以我不曉得就安非他命的部分是不是另有其他的考量好 當然謝謝陳三世因為今天要你回答這些事情我覺得你也很辛苦可是我覺得有一件事情 對新聞到哪裡我們就做到哪裡因為三年前沒有新聞它就三級毒品了 |
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沒有預測不需要我專業預測不需要完全沒有判斷能力的結果其實民眾都在看啦那當然我覺得因為三法可能歧修都是非常非常嚴重我們覺得一定要快希望從法例即使在末端告訴別人這是非常嚴重的 |
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你包括能夠反過來回饋從獨家引發的修法能夠促使能夠施打毒品的人少能夠倒過來變成一個良性的一個循環我覺得所以修法要快要遠不過因為修法院也有這個嚴謹度你知道執法的嚴謹度那這個部分請交通部喔尤其法務部啊尤其在第一線的我們員警同仁啊你說很多的一個訊息 |
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很多的一個制度現在你們的快篩試劑快篩試劑警政署來一下嘛不要叫上來都沒講話快篩試劑快篩試劑是不是各縣市警察局自行小額採購目前的狀態 |
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目前有各縣市警察局做小額採購OK那你好我是提醒你喔提醒你喔所以小額採購之後我們全台灣投到中昌投到屏東那一投大家用的東西都不一樣喔真的不一樣喔以前我們快篩疫情的時候真的有些比較OK有些不OK有些驗出有有些驗出可以當場驗出沒有的所以這個部分警政署你們必須 |
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考量清楚包括交通部包括法務部你們為了公平執法執法的嚴謹度要嚴可是你們如果有人買五合一有人七合一現在最好的十合一然後驗出來第一個是逃脫率 |
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逃脫力我們問了很多一個專家包括我們警界的好朋友他說其實現在七合一的大概有5%是驗不太出來的5%驗不出來我今天沒有時間我也不講包括有一些化學層次變異下甚至有一些像骨科檢有些東西驗不出來有一些像 |
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這個什麼蘑菇啊因為快篩沒辦法去做搖頭丸因為在口水中的濃度它的運作的一個方式所以你當然要執法的時候未來可能刑法公務委員在修你搞不好動輒出一點事情是十年以上的這個的部分那你知道嗎因為我用的毒品不一樣而且我沒事 |
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我沒事 你知道這會發生什麼事嗎就是哪幾種毒品是我們快篩驗不出來的所以我想這個部分當然因為科技的問題我在那邊講不是說誰對誰不對但是我覺得這種統一要執法了你的快篩你們要有一個實驗室去針對於 |
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我們國內哪一些符合你們執法標準的快篩你們選兩三種品牌出來供我們地方政府的警察局去採購這樣會比較一致嘛不然大家品牌不一有些敏感度精確度不一樣這個部分朝這個方向有沒有想法朝這個方向來做還是各搞各的 |
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我們目前所使用的那個脫塞試劑部分是還是以那個兩種的脫塞試劑為最主要的對嘛 為主嘛那如果他不為主也可以採購嘛為輔的也可以採購嘛當你採購你個別採購的話你們現在到地方政府他個別採購我要請你注意喔如果採購的到底能不能符合未來執法的一個標準 |
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包括偽陽性造成無辜的人偽陰性造成逃脫的人都是不行的這樣的事後所以第一線的我們你們自己員警同仁或者我們交通部甚至未來法務部你在執法的這個部分都會成為後續的一個困擾我希望你們自己警政署甚至法務部你們總是要你們就是 |
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你們要保證喔這個快篩劑出了什麼問題你不要推給地方政府喔你買錯了買不對我最怕後面來這一套因為法律修嚴了你這種測試的標準基準廣度跟精確度你們都要有這樣的實驗室配合要人來保證這是我給你們建議希望你們待會去參考好不好謝謝 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝魯明哲委員 謝謝次長跟各位官員接下來我們請陳青龍委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席那我在這邊邀請我們陳政府次長好 請次長好 先次長就好了我來依序我也好好 謝謝針對今天 |
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我們道教條例的一個修法那我在這邊我要先來詢問我們交通部當然毒品的一個問題源頭的一個處理是最重要我們交通部我們今天所討論的修法都是在做這個後續階段善後修法的一個工作 |
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那當然毒品的一個犯案 毒價的一個問題那引起我們所有全國國人的一個注意那在這裡我看到我們交通部 包括我們部長 |
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那此事在媒體上就發布也發言那我想我們交通部目前針對我們道交條例的修法我們現在的進度在哪裡 |
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已經報行政院了嗎?行政院已經送到我們大院來所以我們也期待並在我們這一次包括我們黨團包括我們各位提出的修法版本一起併案來申請 |
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我想這個速度是一定很重要 全國人民都在看不過過去我自己在看報紙在說一直在宣示 我都覺得像我們民間話去說的說到整本書都沒有一堂誌 所以整個大家一起來努力 |
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那這樣的速度我們也期待透過我們今天的新的之後未來我們在委員會可以迅速的來討論那在這裡我發覺一個問題 |
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我們過去 渡假跟酒駕我們腳步修法 它是併在一起的那目前有一個狀況我看到我們的很多版本就是 渡假 酒駕我們啊 |
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把它單獨再拆開就是我們的賭價包括我們的花款包括我們的票照等等我們會比酒價來嚴格因為價格本身就緩緩嘛所以我們現在要把它修緩意義就是比較高的花款嘛但是現在有一個狀況 |
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獨駕跟酒駕又併在一起就是我坐停車 我在車上一樣又在使用交通工具這種情況目前我們看到的統計資料真的很嚴重短短兩個月從台北到高雄兩個月就有34位都這樣獨駕加酒駕 |
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叫賭、都領酒、都酒駕、又獨駕這樣的一個情況那我在這邊我想要了解我們華務部我們協團室有來嗎華務部也請教我我在這裡也要請教華務部的意見目前我們看到交通部的修法還有我們的很多版本把獨駕、酒駕拆開獨駕、加重 |
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但是我們現在就看到一個現象 獨駕又加酒駕 這樣的情況如果以目前的行政法 第24條提議項 我們只能挑比較重的嘛就是你既酒駕又獨駕 那我們修法通過獨駕比較嚴重我們就用獨駕的角度來處理 那我要問法務部的意見 |
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那既渡假又酒駕 酒駕也超過標準還有翻渡假 這個有機會來怎麼處理嗎 可以更加重嗎 法務部的意見謝謝委員的垂詢 看委員對新生爸爸果然也相當了解 |
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行政法第24條的規定是如果有一個行為觸犯數個行政法上的義務的時候就是從最終的那個去處罰但這邊有兩個層面的問題要處理一個是我們的實務運作上面是不是把一個吸毒之後再駕車跟另外一個喝酒之後再駕車這兩個行為是不是評價成自然意義或法律意義上的一行為這邊可能需要一個比較分析研究才能斷定它是不是適用24條第一項從一中處罰的問題 |
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那第二個層面是即便我們把它評價為一個行為那只能受一次的最重的處罰事實上在裁罰標準裡面事實上是可以做不同的認定的我舉個例子跟委員報告比如說我們施用一級毒品跟二級毒品同時施用的狀況事實上我們刑法上也只會處罰一個施用毒品罪但是同時施用一二級毒品在實務上一定會判 |
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比較重因為你同時適用兩種雖然在法定的刑度裡面是適用最重的那個適用一級毒品但是跟其他單獨適用一級比起來他一定會比別的人重很多如果你同時適用一二級的話我想這樣的道理應該也會貫穿在我們在行政在我們這個行政法一行為侵犯違反數個行政法上義務而單獨只受一個處罰的狀況那以上跟您說明好這個就是這樣的一個狀況那也謝謝王副的說明 |
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那這個部分我們也期待我們再有機會再做進一步的大家的一個討論那在這裡我們也看到獨家家酒家混在一起再來一個狀況就是累犯累犯累犯累犯你怎麼罰他他還是累犯你吊銷他紙照他還是繼續 |
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在渡假在酒駕那這個禮犯的過程當然我們現在定的一個修法要給他也是禮駕要開罰嘛禮駕再開罰那這樣的一個過程我們看到我們的資料 |
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無能的貧窮,累犯了兩次、三次、五次最多我看到的資料,累犯八次,他還是繼續宰犯那在這個過程當中,除了累計的加法,我們的修法之外那我這邊也發覺到,我們現在有公佈 |
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名單嘛 雷帆的名單有公佈嘛但是根據我去了解之後我們要公佈名單我們進入公路局的一個網站他這樣的連結非常複雜 |
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你要連結然後跳轉到其他各地區的監理單位再查詢然後再轉到公佈名單一直連結真的非常不方便所以而且一般民眾也不會去查所以我覺得目前公佈禮辦的 |
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名單這樣的一個網站這樣的一個連結是非常不OK的我在這裡就直接建議我們公路局我們應該要做一些調整要做一些調整好不好我們去講 |
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這個壘範公佈是不是在我們那邊來執行各位報告壘範公佈的部分是在處罰機關那當然這個六都市在六都然後這個十六縣市是在公務局那就公務局公佈的方式我們會來做一個檢討好不好這個部分做一個檢討我們國務部調查局我們對那個通緝犯的一個名單的公佈他們就很直接啊 |
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他們就很直接一夜四的訪問這樣的一個網頁能夠很方便、很直接讓要去查詢、要去了解這些壘犯的一個名單就清清楚楚好不好那就陳律師長所談的我們要來做一個改進另外 |
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另外我最後一點還是剛好我們今天警政署也在這裡我們從我們的資料我們看到我們的警察總統在第一線追捕這些獨家過去的酒駕現在的獨駕那也因為 |
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臨檢或是發掘 要去圍捕 要去追捕其實造成無辜的民眾死亡或是我們的員警自己的一個安全在這個過程當中我們雖然強力的執法 |
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那我在這邊也要來提醒 來提醒我們警政署 針對我們第一線的同仁也要特別注意他們的一個知情 臨檢的一個安全那個臨檢的技術 這些要注意 |
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也要去如果真的要去回補要去追這樣的獨家安全還是要第一啊這個部分我在這邊特別來提醒警政署好不好來謝謝委員這邊謝謝委員的關心有關那個之前的SOP跟那個引擎之前的案件那個這是我們這個警政署最重視的因為像獨家這個部分我們也好幾位同仁都 |
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英勇在追擊的時候不小心都受傷了對啊他也有通人在像土城的一個所長也是殉職的我想這都是我們一個採訪的經驗所以在這裡我們現在修法越來越嚴我們就是修法我看到各版本都很嚴那只要嚴我跟你講拒絕臨檢的想要逃逸的案子會越來越多 |
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因為你發的太嚴嘛他已經跑嘛跑你一定要追嘛狀況就來了所以這樣的一個部分我覺得我們在執法的精進跟SOP真的要特別注意今天就叫我這邊演你謝謝委員好最後我還有一點這個 |
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問題想要問我們交通部我們高齡者的換照目前我在地方上有看到我們的監獄站非常主動跟社區跟禮辦公處來合作就是方便長者不要到我們的監獄站 |
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直接在社區 直接在社區的活動中心能夠來辦理這樣的一個環照那在我的選區我也看到我們的經理站跟在地的醫院來配合來呼籲這些長者 |
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那我在這個過程發現 觀察到幾個重點我在這邊也提出 這樣的一個方案 我很認同高齡者 總是要賣我們的照片照過去嘛畢竟我們的監理站 就是一個監理站那長者要去監理站來換照 真的不方便所以我們照地嘛 但是我在這邊也觀察到一個 |
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現象在這個過程當中會不會造成長者在那邊辦理那個監察嘛你們還是要做身體的那個監察還要受那個交叉安全槍刑嘛然後OK才犯罪 |
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會不會變得比較好過 容易過 簡單過會不會 確定不會嗎不會 提高檢查的標準都是一致都是因為那天我們要當下 |
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來這裡,你委員,委員我跟你們說,來這裡可以做工作的,我沒辦法,聽他說,在這裡比較不麻煩,就有來報名,就一個提供,人家說一個獎勵,我們就一個在這裡聽聽,就OK了,就用我 |
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所以全國的標準SOP會一樣嗎跟我們報告一下這裡面有兩道程序第一道程序就是體檢體檢就是由醫師來做處理對啊這個體檢就在OK後面講習的部分就是大家上完課了那也沒有什麼測驗說要去評斷說分數如何如何的部分所以那個是希望有一個免費兩個小時的一個交通安全教育讓大家 |
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這個政策這個方向我絕對認同 我要跟處長說跟局長說另外應該是說那個地方比較輕鬆 你一定有辦的大家比較熟悉應該比較信任服務比較親切 他們的服務服務很好所以就覺得說 喔來這裡的社群比較好過他們的服務好 大家有這個感覺啦好 我覺得這個也要成果 |
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去推動 讓服務我們的長者更方便但是我在這邊要求還是我們的標準一定要一致因為讓長者 讓高齡者可以繼續換照能夠繼續善務 考慮到人安全也要考慮到其他人民的安全 好不好好 以上 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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好謝謝陳慶榮委員的發言謝謝次長各位官員那我們現在先休息十分鐘 |
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好我們繼續開會我們接下來請邱若娃委員發言謝謝主席主席先請我們交通部陳次長還有警政署交通組陳副組長好請陳次長跟陳副組長委員好 |
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市長好 市長行政院在上週已經提出要從源頭組合還有強化查緝縱成獨駕三個面向14個作為要確保國人安全還有維護社會治安那本席也是支持加重要來獨駕的處罰那該罰就罰 該吊罩就吊罩 還有該扣車沒路就應該確實執行可是今天的修法不能只有把罰完還有吊罩的年限行度往上加 |
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那行政院竟然說這是一套完整的聯防機制那麼從前端的查緝還有中間他的取證還有後端的執行就必須要有效銜接那這些問題都應該在本次的修法要一併說明那這邊先請教我們警政署陳副署長那從今年1月警政署的資料也有 |
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也有顯示全國茶貨獨家6730件那跟去年比起來增加了2.8倍那警政署也表示超過98%是由我們員警主動攔查發現的嘛沒有錯嘛那茶器確實有加強那本席也予以肯定那請教警政署兩個執行問題我們現在各縣市啟動拖曳快篩的判斷標準是否一致報告委員這個部分呢其實也都有訂一個SOP |
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是那像其實在各縣市或最近的案例有看到同樣是蛇行還有反應齒環精神異常的狀況那它的真相是疑似獨假嘛那所以你們現在目前都是照這個SOP來去做進行那從拖曳快篩它呈現陽性到你們完成正式的採檢到你們取得檢驗報告平均需要多久的時間請大概說明你們目前掌握的平均天數兩週 |
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兩週就可以尿液的部分那其他除了尿液之外呢?脫篩是馬上就可以知道脫篩馬上可以知道那其實那不是正式的檢驗報告嗎?是那其實行政院也知道那台大的法醫所這個國務所長他也表示那其實伊通明治他代謝的非常快他班衰息只有2到3個小時所以這不只是行政效率的問題那他也後續 |
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他也關係到後續案件的認定還有行政採取司法的程序嗎所以目前你們前端的效率有提升了那後續的銜接那請在警政署再提供一份你們目前的SOP給我OK好那這邊 |
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要接著請教次長那行政院也公開宣示目前修法方向就是獨駕車輛不問所有人一律沒路沒有錯吧那像是確實那對於獨駕上路無詐災犯還有雷犯或是他造勢致人死傷者那應該確實是要嚴格沒路那針對像第三人他所有車輛那交通部也必須要說明相關權益保障那像是如果車子這個車輛他是配偶所有或是他是公司租賃車的話那 |
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或是駕駛他根本沒有經過車主同意那你們要這樣的情形是否一律都是沒入呢我想跟委員報告一下有關沒入就是對外宣示就是不問是不是汽車所有人都一律沒入來宣示對於獨駕零容忍但是在實際執行上可以依照行政程序行政法法第22條的規定 |
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非出於故意或重大過失是不予處罰所以剛才委員特別提到的各種情況還是要依個案事實按照剛才我特別提到的是不是出於故意或重大過失來判斷是不是要把那部車子沒入還是可以不予處罰 |
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是不好意思我這邊先請陳副組長然後次長留在北巡台上就好可以先請會座休息對那像今天那這次提出的版本然後跟交通部的討論那你們有沒有就是針對像第三人設計或是審查機制像如果第三第三人他在處分前他還能夠陳述意見因為他是在不知情的情況下車輛可以啊可以做使用還可以這是一定可以是現行的機制裡頭就有這樣一個機制 |
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我看到司法院的書面他的意見也提醒像部分版本可能會出現處罰輕重不一致的情形像是獨駕沒有肇事是你們目前就是當現場就是摸路車輛嘛那如果像是獨駕他肇事致人重傷或是死亡反而是得摸路那這樣交通路 |
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也請交通部說明 行政院版本有沒有排除這樣處罰輕重失衡的情況有跟委員報告 像委員剛才講得末路或者我們在這一次修正的條文裡頭 我們都改成就是末路都是改成末路 那今天下一個問題 那今天也有很多委員也都關心到嘛像6月18號全國專案他一晚就查獲155件獨駕 那他一致保管的車輛有154輛 |
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那幾乎每查獲一件就要處理一輛車那從今年一到五月全國都已經查獲了六千七百三十件獨駕那修法之後那基本上獨駕的車輛都是要沒路的那地方的保管場承受的案件數勢必是增加的那交通部你們這一次的書面報告也有提到修法過後那各縣市的保管車輛的空間跟需求 |
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他的空間還有他的那個需求將會大幅增加嘛那所以才建議把屆期未領回的車輛從三個月縮短到一個月那交通部這邊有沒有去做過統計目前全國公有跟委外的保管廠你們的總容量是多少是麻煩請警政署來說明一下好不好 |
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這個部分先跟委員報告一下因為去年那個今年無照駕駛上市要上路的時候我們去年就已經跟各縣市調查公有保管車輛一個收納空間那基本上我們就像委員您的簡報所提到青北市一直在懷疑那個保管公有保管場的車輛那個空間不足所以這個部分我們也建議交通部等公告的期間下個月改為一個月因為我們除了交通 |
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這邊也請教一個問題如果像是同一輛車它一方面是行政陌路的那另外一方面譬如說它又是刑事的案件物證那是由哪一個機關來做負責 |
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行事優先行事優先OK好那因為目前就剛剛陳副長你有提到像是新北市他目前其實已經爆量了嘛那其實相信在派出所一些派出所然後他們也有反應他們根本車子不知道放去哪裡所以這個問題再請我們警政署跟交通部要來說去需要再做完整的討論啦 |
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所以不要造成基層員級的困擾特別提到說是不是修法把三個月縮短為一個月這個我想我們會來支持這邊會問到是因為行政院宣示只要經過警察機關確認新一時毒品他屬實那一律預防性會調照兩年那也請教授說明這項措施是否也包含未涉及駕駛行為 |
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是針對只有單純吸毒的 沒有駕駛 不是毒駕的就是它有吸毒的這種違法的情勢然後經查獲了以後我們就會來做吊銷駕照的處分那所謂經警察機關確認吸食毒品屬實那它是以什麼樣的檢驗成果跟法定程序作為認定的依據 |
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這個是不是可以請警政因為我們有相關的一個資訊會從警政機關他查獲了以後會把他有吸食毒品的這種情形會送來送給我們 對 |
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然後後續我跟委員報告後續的話我們也會在相關的這個道安規則或處理細則以後裡面訂定相關的這樣一個我們跟警察機關如何來合作處理這件事情然後如何來來要求通知駕駛人要來做這個吊銷駕照的處分老師關於我剛才的問題那也 |
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報告委員 這個部會我們檢視所會再召開相關的會議邀請那個六大吸毒機關來跟我們來討論所以還要再做討論對我是支持 因為我其實是要在事故之前就先處理這些高風險者嘛那不要等到每次有上網之後才來做檢討可是我看到因為經確認吸毒所以我才這邊特別向次長還有我們有關單位了解到底是以什麼樣的法律事實跟程序認定為基礎那必須要做明確是不是單憑這個拖曳快篩他就能直接掉下駕照呢 |
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我想這個我們初步的討論裡頭這裡頭有特別提到說經警察機關取得行為人的尿液檢查報告為陽性或陰性素質然後確認有吸毒的話那警察機關大概就會開出相關的罰單然後罰單會送 |
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送給監理機關那監理機關會來做吊銷駕照的處理但是剛才有特別提到後續如何來確認如何來執行也就是我剛才特別提到我們後續會在這個相關的一個規定細則裡面去訂定相關那個執法的一個要領 |
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OK 好 謝謝市長說明那最後一個問題那這邊我有看到交通部的版本規定因為獨駕或是吸毒找處分的人他在重新考駕照之前要先完成防治教育還有觀察樂界那強制戒制嘛然後也要參加這個毒品危害的講習經過六個月的觀察那這個六個月的觀察期目前的風險評估依據是在衛福部嗎 |
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六個月的這個觀察期是在我們的這個監理機關因為跟委員報告就是說他來考照結束了以後我們最後是要發給駕照那我們沒有再立即發給就是有觀察六個月的期間如果他沒有再有吸食毒品的情勢或者是毒價的情形我們才會發給他駕照所以就是在這個六個月的觀察期來做這件事情 |
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那如果他在這個期間他如果犯了這個相關的譬如說他又獨駕了那又有可能是第二次的獨駕依照其他的規定他就是終身不得考照所以他也連考就沒有考所以我們不可能再發駕照給他因為我們現在是要重申獨駕嘛那目前你們有沒有去盤點我們也看到這個數字暴增那有沒有去盤點目前就是在醫療還有他這些機構的量能是否能夠足以因應這些需求呢 |
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我們在訂定相關這樣的一個規定的時候我們大概都有跟衛福部等相關單位大家共同討論所以這些量能我想我們應該是初步的盤點應該是可以指引的應該是可以那我剛才就是有問到像我們警政署然後你剛才有提到有一些問題還是在討論中那也請討論就是有你們有一個結果之後也提供相關的資料給我好沒問題好謝謝市長好謝謝以上 |
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好謝謝邱若驊委員的發言也感謝次長及各位官員我們現在一位登記質詢發言的委員黃建豪請黃建豪召委 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們接下來請交通部次長 陳彥博次長好 請次長法務部謝志明參事請參事警政署交通組陳朝堅副組長好 請警政署交通組陳副組長 |
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市長好 各位好我想今天特別安排這個道教條例的審查當然也是因為說今天院版可能會把相關的這些版本送出來那在時程上安排上我做招委我希望說今天先詢答完畢之後後續我們就能夠直接並案的來審查不管是院版也好還是各位後續提案大家能夠盡快的把這個期程把它完成因為剛剛也有委員提到說如果 |
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6月底提出來 按照立法院的時程可能包含詢答 包含審查等等到最後真的上路可能要過好幾個月以後的事情所以我們今天把它提出來 當然希望能夠加速那在討論的部分裡面 我們還是希望說來問一下實務上 很多委員關心一件事情就是說其實現在 依託民營紙這個毒品或者其他新興毒品 它的代謝是很快的所以你們現在在執法過程裡面第一線警察使用的是拖曳快篩嘛 |
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那我們先請警政署來幫我回應一下事情這個脫衣快篩那按照現行的法律脫衣快篩完那你回去之後要不要再做尿檢要要再做尿檢那個優秀的話一定要護尿檢那要檢是不是要經過檢察官的核可那你們才來做尿檢這件事情就不用了要不要報檢察官志願同意就不用阿哈羅不要咧我們是報檢察官核發那個許可書 |
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好 謝謝 那我們想問一下我們謝參事喔在這個過程裡面當然警政組是說如果他資源他就不用報你們這個檢察官來同意嘛那今天一定他如果現在我想陸陸續續包含說你現在上網搜尋很多律師事務所已經在教大家怎麼樣去規避這個尿檢的這個責任比如他就說你可以拒檢你可以拒檢嘛因為你這個 |
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這個已脫名詞它的代謝是很快的所以今天尿檢出來了送到警察局然後如果他不同意尿檢要報警察官同意那這個時程拖過去搞不好我不知道實證上怎麼樣會不會出來結果就沒有了所以在法律上面我們能不能去針對像這種新興毒品 |
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能夠免掉這樣子的行政流程有機會嗎這邊跟我原來報告就是依現行法現行的制度來講的話因為在盜竊條例目前是針對獨駕的獨駕部分是沒有直接驗尿的規定 |
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所以這次修正草案有處理這個事情所以現行是用刑事訴訟法來處理刑事訴訟法在相關在2051跟2052其實針對不同的狀況有報請檢察官來核發材料的許可或是抽寫許可的問題 |
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那遇到急迫的案件尤其像這種交通的案件或是甚至有釀成傷亡的狀況其實在很多運作事務上都會用傳真的方式來辦理所以在書面的檢審的流程上面其實是會很快速那我們各地的檢查署其實也都有值班的檢查官其實就值班這件事情都是24小時安扣的只要有急迫的狀況其實值班的檢查官都會立即做快速的處理 |
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至於說之後在新政院版的規劃的草案上面其實也會有另外一個按照獨立條例立戰15條來規定來報請檢察官核發鑑定許可書的狀況而且它有一個情況急迫的例外它是可以先斬後奏在情況急迫的時候是可以警方先採尿 |
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那採完尿之後再來報檢還要不然補發那這一塊也可以來記憶可能事務上產生的一些狀況好 謝謝蠶絲我想這個很明確的一個說法大家現在關心就是說包含我剛剛提到了現在很多人的在網路上已經還在教學怎麼去規避相關的資料那如果你們能夠 |
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我很感謝縣財所可以先斬後奏啦因為這件事情對人民的生命財產影響非常重大包含說本席過去針對盜交條例90條提案也是針對這個過去毒品篩檢 |
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要排兩個月那到底那個兩個月怎麼計算很多時候已經過了他根本是驗不出來了那更何況現在已妥名詞他的代謝是幾小時來計算的所以怎麼樣讓他變成確實有犯罪事實然後能夠符合相關盜交條例甚至刑罰的懲罰我想這是很重要的程序好那感謝一下那我們請那個法務部謝三世跟陳組長可以先回座我先針對我們次長的部分 |
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市長剛剛其他委員有提到一件事情其實我們很在意一件事情你看這個獨駕的問題從這次引述媒體資訊從今年1月到6月為止造成全台灣因為獨駕造成死亡已經造成18死那從整體統計數據剛剛很多委員提到1到5月整體的獨駕數值6730件換句話說等於每天平均被查獲的獨駕還不然沒有被查獲的有些 |
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沒有被發現 有時候沒有發生車禍的時候他沒有被發現 沒有被檢到等於像每天有45輛車在 至少45輛車在路上亂跑 這些人可能都會吸毒所以在這個毒價跟酒價的部分 我們真心認為啦在法律條文上面應該分開處理因為你剛剛 市長你剛剛回應其他委員講說雖然在這個同一個法律裡面 但是因為針對細則裡面 |
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酒價是三萬然後這個獨價最高十二萬就用十二萬開始罰但是我想比較合理的方式本席也有相關提案但是因為還沒有送進來本席的相關提案是說獨價是另外我可以同樣放在三十五條裡面處理可是可能在第二款它有不同款項去處理嘛比如說獨價的部分你就直接從二十四萬為什麼從二十四萬因為你酒價十二萬是你累犯累犯都是十二萬所以酒價但是那個爐底是說喝酒沒有罪是喝酒開車有罪 |
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所以他罰12萬可是獨家不一樣你吸毒本身就已經有罪了然後你吸毒又開車這要罪加一等那為什麼提24萬我認為就是說因為你9加了12萬 |
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獨家叫最佳一等那我乘以一倍變24萬大概這樣的邏輯所以這個修法的這個方向我不知道交通部有沒有辦法去支持這樣子的方式就是說不能就把它放在同一個條約裡面然後用用細則去處理應該是把它很明確的法規化你可以放在同一個條約裡面但是應該不同的款項款次去處理這個問題市長 |
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我想委員的意見這個後續我們在逐條討論的時候可以看得到我們的條文的比較詳細的我們的條文大概大原則都是採取剛才委員講的這個分開的處理酒駕跟獨駕它其實是分開的即便是在同一款裡頭我們寫完以後也會想譬如說我隨便講 |
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但是唯一只有剛才應該是萬委員特別提到的第一個有關第一次的這個獨駕因為第一次我們為什麼沒有特別分開寫是因為獨駕本身第一次跟酒駕就是有脫鉤了所以我們就認為那個不需要特別寫但是後續不管是拒絕也好或者是累犯也好我們都是分開寫的 |
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所以說原則上委員的意見我們也是支持至於說條文怎麼來表達這個我想我們在討論的時候主條討論的時候再來討論好 市長謝謝我想另外在條文裡面針對這個末路車輛有些委員可能有意見但是我要跟你表達一下我們是很全力支持只要獨駕查獲就是末路車輛這個部分我是絕對支持因為過去在處理假車牌在處理其他案件的時候我也是這樣相關提案我認為確實就是要末路車輛因為 |
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你說你吊扣他的什麼駕照他的這個吊銷他的駕照有的沒有那個都沒有用啦他已經吸毒了吸毒力違法他就擺明知道違法是他都做了你扣他照也沒有用他還是可以開車上路所以這部分我們絕對是會支持的但是回到頭來講就是說這個針對整個他 |
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已經吸毒完之後然後被查獲那你重新讓他去考照的部分喔我問個細節喔他這個考照他後續能夠去考照經過不管是經過這個相關的熱毒機構熱結機構確認他已經暫時沒有毒癮的情況下面他重新考照這考照實務上到底是回監理上考還是要去加薪班考 |
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你們現在是有特別規定嗎?有討論到這部分嗎?因為我們知道啦,我們都很坦白說啦,在接您站考比較難過啦在居門考很好過嘛,繳錢就一定會給你過啊基本上是這樣子,不要太誇張的話跟我們報告一下 |
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報告下如果應該是6月就是這個月底要實施的部分吊銷駕照三年以上的部分就是要強制上駕訓班之後才能夠這一個考照那剛剛委員有提到那就是說是在這一個駕訓班原地考照還是到監理機關這一個考照那我跟委員報告說即使是駕訓班這一個原地考照的相關的考驗人員基本上也都是這個我們的考驗員在做考驗 |
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沒關係局長這個我覺得我們討論之後來討論一下因為這個是我現在提出來大家可以回去再思考一下後續怎麼樣去面對這個事情要包含說在院版的60條條文裡面你們沒有針對幾年內他一定要完成這個樂界的程序嗎然後在我的版本裡面是有要求幾年內要完成所謂樂界程序因為這個 |
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有的人吸了很多年那他到底多久要完成這件事情就他把這個樂界確定他沒有毒癮的這件事情確認了再去考照而不是說他假設我今天被抓到好那我這幾年我就偷偷開藥或怎麼樣也好我沒有去考新的駕照那可能過幾年他有工作上的需求他再回去考照所以我覺得這是不同的做法就是說你應該在 |
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毒品零融合的前提之下包含說你要要求他幾年內要完成這件事情我覺得委員特別提到說幾年要完成這個毒飲的介制啊這個我比較覺得你是不是應該後續提出來的時候再來討論因為這個很像放在這個處罰條例裡頭有關這個駕照管理上很像是有一點 |
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因為我們的酒駕裡頭是說確保他沒有這個毒癮經過戒癮的以後他就進入可以考照但是委員剛才特別提到就是說是不是要有一定的期間來確保啊這整個這可能要變成是整個毒癮啊或者是戒治上的規定上是不是有更嚴謹的規定可能要從那裡來討論 |
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好 市長謝謝最後一個問題對不起 主席最後一個問題這跟獨家沒關係最近這個FSD的問題我想交通部已經有在準備做了那到底對交通部來講FSD到底是屬於輔助駕駛 |
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還是自動駕駛因為在他的現在的FSE的技術上面來講他這個雙手目前車廠相關車廠他們的相關規範裡面他的雙手也不能他一定要有人坐在裡面他的法規範裡面最終負責還是那個駕駛人不是機器也不是廠商所以在這個規範他到底是屬於在你們的任地裡面他未來在處理這過程裡面他是屬於輔助駕駛呢還是他會被認為是自動駕駛我想這涉及到 |
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因為現在沒有自動駕駛的法規那如果沒有自動駕駛法規的話那當然我們要有相關的法規你才能讓他上路可是他如果是輔助駕駛的一部分他只是比較智慧型的輔助駕駛但是他的負責的這個最終承擔責任的造者的人還是駕駛人本人的話他應該就是屬於輔助駕駛的一部分那可能他的進程就比較快我不知道現在交通部隊正式的態度是什麼 |
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報告這分兩塊來講一個是特斯拉自己提出來他自己廠商自己的宣告那我剛才詢問一下特斯拉雖然已經提出了一個申請但是他自己提出來申請是Level 2的一個意思就連廠商他都不認為自己的系統已經到達Level 3的所以如果是這樣的話我們不可能去和給他說他是Level 3的 |
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那至於說如何來審查我們在我們的這個現行的這個規定裡頭就有特別提到因應各種這種新興的這個科技導入這個汽車駕駛來輔助的這個功能我們有一個審查的機制所以我們目前正在透過VSCC車安中心正在就他提出來的案子在做審查好 市長謝謝我想提level 2就是因為他 |
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卡在如果他如果變level 3他就真的自動駕駛了我們的法規會很麻煩啦大家發現level 2裡面他要負擔的責任更重對那當作輔助駕駛至少是放在現在的現行法規裡面去做相關審查啦那可能時程上理論上看起來比較快一點那當然我們希望這個部分我想民間這個國人的期待還有跟著跟著世界潮流我想各國 |
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歐洲、美國甚至是中國大陸都已經在做相關的這個準備了他都有去提出申請啦但是審核的程序還是很嚴謹的各個國家都已經這個最後一句話這個要提醒次長因為台美ART的部分針對美製的 |
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這個特斯拉FST的部分ART裡面看起來它是直接要開放喔那如果這事情沒有跟上相關的這個審查進度的話到時候ART如果真的生效我們預計可能下半年要去做處理嘛那ART如果生效那美國的真的原廠特斯拉進來在台灣到底能不能上路我覺得到時候會成為一個法律的問題也會成為政治問題所以我們希望教科目在這個審查的部分要加速一點好不好是 這個我們會再注意 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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謝謝黃建豪周圍的資訊好 接下來請林倩琦委員發言 林倩琦不在 現在請盧憲憶委員發言 盧憲憶不在 現在請抱歉抱歉抱歉請盧憲憶委員發言 謝謝謝謝主席 有請我們警政署來 請警政署 |
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陳副組長好謝謝那我上次在內政部的獨駕專報有問過一個問題就是關於我們偏鄉地區如果24小時的那個路檢站這些偏鄉如果發生獨駕案件的時候我們這些第一線有沒有足夠的試劑有沒有有沒有受過 |
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我持續自己跟委員報告一下好 |
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有關本署,4G的部分就是依據地質法跟財政收支規劃法,持續有督促各警察機關依據轄區的獨情評估需求數,做滾動式的辦理採購 |
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是 那我是希望平衡地區還是要有一些司機到達不然如果說第一線人員碰到類似獨家的話他們沒有司機的話不是等於是沒有武器可以用啊 是不是所以這個部分還是要儘速能夠盤點好不好好 謝謝第二個問題我請我們陳次長 |
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針對無照駕駛的部分淨娟基金會有做一些研究希望能夠推動分眾式教育建立差異化的處遇機制跟推動親子互動到岸的課程針對偏鄉我們常常要知道說我們有時候是家長明知道孩子無照去提供車輛 |
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交通部如何跟教育部跟警政及地方政府建立家庭責任跟親子教育的一個機制第二個問題就是針對偏鄉青少年通學打工課後活動及就業的移動需求交通部有沒有針對高風險地區的交通缺口的清單作為盤點第三個車輛不是違規者所有的時候所有人是否已經妥善查證跟管理責任未來執法如何判斷 |
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不能讓真正上進管理義務的家屬 租賃業者跟車主也在程序不清楚之下來承受車輛被目錄的後果所以希望交通部能夠在三個月之內提出偏鄉青少年合法移動與無照的防治方案的書面報告 |
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也盤點原鄉偏鄉通學打工就一個夜間返家的交通缺口另外應該結合幸福巴士幸福小黃需求反應式的運輸校車與地方的共同服務來補足我們最後缺口的具體時程對初犯累犯家長交車與車主的失職建立不同層次的分流處境而不是全部靠罰款我想聽看交通部目前的規劃 |
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對我想跟委員報告委員特別提到這個是如果在我們來看就是經常講的就是說行的正義類似像這樣的議題那當然偏鄉的很多的一個學子他有可能因為公共運輸的不足或者是出行的不便所以有難免會有無照駕駛的情形所以剛才特別提到金捐文化基金會特別提出對於無照當然無照除了這個法令的這個修法 |
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最近休了但是更重要的就是說在無照之後如何結合學校跟社區大家共同來輔導來輔導這些青少年朋友讓他們能夠取得駕照我想這一塊其實在公務局也好或在縣市政府大家都朝著這個方向來走這是第一塊那第二塊剛才委員特別提也就是我特別提到就是說如何讓這些偏鄉的人他有行的這樣的一個這個當然我們現在所謂的幸福巴士我們加強 |
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對還有公車競效員等等那另外目前有所謂的這個電輔車吧電輔車的但是微型電動二輪車等等的如何來輔導他們能夠使用這些交通工具而且是合法安全的使用這些交通工具後續呢我想我們會來積極的來做一些處理 |
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那原則上委員希望我們提出相關的一個報告供委員參考這部分我們會積極來辦理最後一個問題就是我們關於高齡換照這個部分因為知道現在已經有70到75歲還有75歲以上這兩個不同年齡級別的那我先說針對偏鄉的地方因為我們知道如果說沒有一站式服務的話等於是需要家屬去帶展者去到都會去來弄這些 |
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所以上次在嘉義阿里山鄉曾經有很成功的一個經驗就是把阿里山鄉公所衛生所透過行動監禮車把體檢獎席維感認知跟換照整合在一起所以如果他們做得非常成功而且是民眾反映得很好我是覺得應該推廣到全國讓這些我們的長者能夠在不麻煩家屬的狀況之下來取得他們應該要的這些認證那我希望說 |
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如果沒有辦法再取得認證的人是不是也要同步的去銜接幸福巴士幸福小黃這樣的一個揪一揭送不是只收回他的駕照卻不管長者以後怎麼去醫院怎麼去採買怎麼維持生活所以我希望有兩個承諾第一個就是 |
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請交通部將預言箱跟偏鄉高齡換照一站式的服務能夠列為常態公佈年度巡迴的服務地點跟時程讓長者知道什麼時候在哪裡可以去完成所有的程序第二個就是把這項工作列入明年度的KPI並整合專案資源支持監理站 衛生所跟相關所及部落地點做跨機關的協作然後現在有聽到說很像是沒有來辦的話可能會罰兩萬塊兩萬四千塊然後 |
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後來看到新聞說可能兩年內半頭就不會收到罰款這樣的一個所謂的以後的方式是不是能夠廣為周知讓我們全國的長者知道 |
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剛剛委員所提到的部分那第一個就是一站式服務的話是在22個縣市都有在推廣那尤其是偏遠鄉的部分列為優先的一個部分那所以剛剛委員所提到包括類似阿里山這個部分其實在屏東在高雄山區的部分都有在這個推動 |
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那另外一個部分的話就是說這樣子的一個這個方式的話我們會持續列為我們這個高齡換照的一個這個等於說跟民政系統還有這個鄉鎮公所大家合作的一種措施來辦理那第三個部分的話剛剛委員提到說高齡換照如果預期沒換照的話它不是無照駕駛它是駕照預期能駕駛那個依照處罰條例22條是處罰最高法案是1800元 |
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三萬六千元的一個花款最後因為本人以前在衛生所服務那常常服務這些要換照的一個民眾那我希望說就衛生所的一個型態來說希望如果說就一個時間點的話就盡量利用一個下午比如說禮拜三禮拜四的下午因為有時候早上衛生所要打疫苗要看診 |
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那可是也不能把所有的工作都交給衛生所因為衛生所他也有其他的業務要做所以應該也要結合相公所的力量把我們跨機關的一個單位來做不要把全部的loading交給又交給護理人員不要打email的時候找護理人員換照的時候也找護理人員去變成護理人員的double loading 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝陸縣議委員的發言 謝謝感謝次長 |
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接下來我們請林俊憲召委發言好 謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部陳彥博次長來 請次長委員好 次長好次長 今天我們在討論獨家的問題看得出來大家對獨家都是深惡痛絕 |
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不管是交通部行政院這邊的修法方向以及剛剛我們立委同仁大家表達的意見都是 |
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那我們也確實看到了這種獨駕肇事他的件數以及造成無辜民眾的死傷這個案件這很可怕了例如獨駕的取締件數如果我們從2021年當年只有43件在去年就高達了8659件等於2021年到去年一共成長了200倍 |
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那未來的這個修法方向 我看大概正院版的啦當然是交通部提出來的第一個就是加重罰款 都叫加重他的處罰第二個 吊銷他的駕照甚至延長限制一些條件 讓他才可以重新考照 |
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再來就是同車者的責任同車的乘客如果明知道駕駛人施用毒品沒有勸阻要負起責任再來就是累犯加重如果你曾經有過那你再犯當然我們要加重他的處罰以及你要重新考照必須要有 剛剛你有提到必須要有戒除毒癮的這樣的一個證明 |
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還有沒入車輛那沒入車輛啊其實是算是很嚴重一個處罰啦不管你是吸駕駛就是說你獨駕甚至拒車你拒絕檢測也要沒入車輛而且不管駕駛人是不是為車主都要直接將車輛沒入啦那至於至於獨駕沒入車輛啊或者拒車啊我們把車輛沒入這個看起來大家都贊成啦 |
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但是你在沒入車輛的時候啊 我有一些建議啊你要如何的 我們要如何的來避免懲罰到無辜的第三者例如這個車輛如果是租賃的車輛如果是他租來的車輛那我是租車公司 我車子你給我租了你給我吸毒 那他的車輛被沒入會不會有這種狀況再來 被偷竊的車輛 |
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民眾的車輛被偷竊了結果偷車的人吸毒開車再來來借車借車的時候也不知道他會吸毒再來第四個公司的車輛有時候是公司的營業員或公司的駕駛他給你吸毒這個曾經發生一件啦第一個在夜市擺攤的 |
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老先生他叫他兒子送貨他就靠一台小貨車在謀生結果他們走到西土結果車輛 檢方現在是扣押以後如果是末路的話那會不會造成所謂的善逸第三者無辜的第三者也連帶受處分再來就是維修的代步車這個是我接到一些汽車維修廠 |
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因為你如果客人車輛去維修他有時候會借你一部代步車那如果啦像這種代步車那開的人也跟你稀土所以我覺得我們在立法的時候有些狀況是不是也必須要作為我們的一個考量我們的行政法法其實我們行政法法的第22條它大概有類似的一種 |
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一種規範就是說你不屬於被處罰人的東西例如車輛不是他的那因為這個車主所有人有因為所有人的故意或重大過失那造成這個違法事情發生那這樣是可以沒路啦但是他有幾個要件第一個就是說所有人有故意或重大過失行政法基本上在法律上他也保持這樣的一種 |
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這種比較完整以避免去懲罰到無辜的第三人所以我們未來交通部的這樣的一個立法你現在有沒有考量到行政法法上對於這種所謂可能懲罰到無辜的第三者的這種考量 來 |
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檢次長是我想跟委員說明一下委員的見解非常正確所以我們在行政院版的這個修正草案我們應該是還沒在應該送到大院來的如果可以看得到的話我們在我們的修正草案的這個說明欄裡面就特別把剛才委員特別提到的就是有關 |
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行政法法相關的規定引述在這裡面而且說明到如果不是非出於故意或重大過失不予處罰甚至還舉例你這裡特別提到的租賃車租賃車將車輛租與成租人假設事前已善盡告知本處罰條例的義務成租人 |
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獨駕的話得於舉證免罰所以像這樣的東西我們有考慮到後續呢我們會再相關的處理細則等等把這樣的一個情形能夠更清楚的明示但是因為你現在是寫在你修法的說明欄所以我才會講到說 |
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因為行政法法就可以處理了所以不需要再特別寫了那後續我們會在我們的處理細則在實施的時候裡頭來把它明確的說明所以這點你希望交通部現在的立法上這個必須要考量進來是我們會考慮那本席所提的修法我也有把這種狀況給加進來但是我是明確的寫在法律條文這個我們可以到時候來看大家共同來討論我們可以 |
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另外 據測者據測者當然是 |
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絕對有問題因為現在這種毒品非常可怕它無色無味而且它吸食很方便現在用那種什麼電子菸就可以隨時隨地 邊開車邊吸食為什麼呢因為它在車輛裡面沒有其他人就最隱密的地方而且它無色無味它的半衰期只有2至3個小時 |
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所以嫌犯為什麼一定會跑因為他跑掉以後被你抓到他就要兩三個小時以後你抽他血也檢測不出來所以你就可以逃 叫體內的濃度就快速掉到偵測線以下所以就是你踩他的尿液或唾液快篩都是會造成胃陰性所以現在這種毒品就很可怕 基本上 |
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也造成我們法律很難去追溯但是它危險在於很多細菌者會開車因為車內是一個最好的空間所以它如果在開車的時候造成成癮它想吸食的時候很方便但是它藥效發作它可能在嗨起來它會有3到10秒那種昏迷類似昏迷那種狀態它根本沒辦法控制車輛 |
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這車輛等於完全失去控制 所以才被稱為好像是路上的移動炸彈一般所以政府必須要很嚴肅的來處理這個事情而且就它造勢的建樹 以及造成民眾無辜死傷這個書我再給你看一下 |
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你以為你看2024年我現在講的是有造成死傷的2024年90件去年就成長了兩倍到266件那今年一到三月就113件我看今年至少有500件等於90件266件500件 |
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那死亡人數24年有11個人 今年有19個人那受傷人數也是從85人到229人就24年跟25年來比所以希望交通部我想立委的意見都表達得很清楚這個大概我們應該盡速來大家一起來面對獨家對我們交通安全的一個威脅那最重要還是源頭的 |
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原則的處理行政院跟法務部這裡跟我們相關的司法單位應該要嚴格的以及要很嚴肅的來面對這種毒品滲透到台灣的這個問題好不好好謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝李勛憲 張偉的發言謝謝市長 |
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好 今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢我們做以下決定報告及詢問完畢委員游浩 陳素月 傅坤琪等委員所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或為其答覆部分請交通部及相關機關緊述與書面答覆針對本日會議討論事項並做以下決議道路交通管理處罰條例部分條文修正草案等14案均另定期繼續審查本日會議結束 散會 |