| IVOD_ID |
17533 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17533 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-18T08:34:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-18T15:13:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:38:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685102c86100c6a69f3c95a9c60aebdbf976dbd1a1f1ae50216092b1a83375c25d75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。
二、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款衛生福利部主管部分預算。
【6月17日、6月18日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:34:54 - 15:13:00 |
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照我們的會比較好不是不是我的重點是或我們覺得照他的200 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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你派給我的那個138你不是說138嗎 我不知道他們等一下要處理的是190 |
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這邊呢 輸進權是前一半然後這一個他那時候已經宣告發出決議 等一下就回覆 抱歉是1950那是1950 等一下要注意的是1950 |
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剪了100萬那昨天主席宣告市局局長這個地方是138嗎138 對不起你今天到底說是38還是38你今天要跟我標明是138嗎對138就是這個你如果是138的話就這樣可是你拍到38 |
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你要不要拍一下然後你有拍30%對那你就是拍錯了剛剛現場講他要改客戶30%不是我剛拍的嗎對啊可是紙本沒有改對紙本沒有改就不行了 |
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谢谢大家 |
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你可能問好幾樣主辦都不會寫可病動因為昨天好像解釋過主辦會怎樣主辦會留下來所以幹嘛要寫可病動是被病人會寫可病動沒有沒有不是這個意思你現在是說這上面要寫可病動我們先處理三十八三十八聽到的他有改科目但是三十八資本沒有改那就是以資本上的科目 |
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這間餐廳的餐廳是一間餐廳的餐廳 |
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修改終結境 像這一案 案子明清 |
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簽名可併的案可是完全沒有可併案的文字案所以他們這裡寫到簽名同意的不等於同意我們就是最後我們就說因為他們 |
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現在繼續開會本日會議成為繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算公務及非營業特種基金預算案繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款衛生福利部主管部分預算 |
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介紹在場委員王建旭委員介紹列席官員衛福部司長梁部長會計處張玉珍處長中規司副司長林謙元施工司司長蘇昭如保護司副司長詹靖倫 |
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1609.788 |
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護理及健康照護師師長蔡淑鳳醫事師師長劉月萍口腔健康師師長張英敏中醫藥師師長兼所長蘇一璋長期照顧師師長祝健方心理健康師師長陳柏熙 |
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社保司司長張玉璇秘書處處長許朝誠資訊處副處長王美珠部署醫療及社會福利機構管理會執行長林慶豐國民年金經理會參事兼秘書石美春科技發展組簡密張蓮成 |
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國際合作組科長陳雅婷國民健康署署長沈靜芬疾病管制署署長羅一鈞中央健保署署長陳亮宇塑膠署署長周道軍食品藥物管理署副署長王德源 |
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國務院副院長徐慧環公務醫算處專委陳淑萍一間醫算處科長劉雅肥現在繼續進行衛生福利部主管公務醫算主案討論 |
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從委員提案359案繼續每案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見再次提醒與審查中如果提案改為主決議或原主決議文字有修改者請行政單位與提案處理時宣讀主決議文字修正部分第359案請行政單位說明 |
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第359案由蘇清泉委員提案那謝謝蘇委員委員已經簽名同意改成主決議那文字修正委要求衛生福利部中央健保署積極推動支持國產藥品及醫材業務 |
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好 第359案改為主決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第360案是360案是由楊耀委員所提案那非常感謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正委要求衛生福利部中央健保署於三個月內提交書面報告至本委員會360案改為主決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行361案 |
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361 和謝謝盧憲一 趙偉所提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正委要求衛福部於三個月內提出針對原鄉長者推廣虛擬健保卡機制協同基層院所提高系統裝設率書面報告361 要改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第364案 |
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362案由邱政軍委員所提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正委要求衛福部於三個月內向立法院衛生福利及社會衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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1799.416 |
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1819.075 |
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363案改組決議並照行政機關宣討文字通過現在進行第363案363案由邱惠入陳昭之委員所提案那敗會的時候口頭同意改成組決議但是還沒有簽名那因為陳委員好像還沒到場是保留363案保留現在進行第364案 |
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1821.646 |
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364案由王玉敏委員所提案那感謝委員那目前已經同意健保業務完善健保醫療費用總額及給付機制原3減500萬改成凍結500萬改成委員簽名同意改凍結200萬 抱歉364案改凍結200萬並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第365案 |
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1849.521 |
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1874.922 |
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365案由洋药委员所提案那感谢委员已经签名那健保业务完善健保医疗费用总额及给付机制原3减100万动减100万委员已经签名同意改成冻结健保费业务10万元文字修正为要求卫生福利部中央健保属于三个月内就提升牙科S光影像上传率研议可行方案提交书面报告至本委员会 |
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第365案改凍結10萬元並照行政機關訓導文字通過現在進行第366案366案感謝盧憲一召委提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正委要求健保署會同國健署向立法院衛環委員會提出癌症治療三支健支偏鄉可進性配套書面報告 |
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1901.597 |
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1922.314 |
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366案改组决议并照行政机关宣读文字通过现在进行第367案367案感谢也是卢宪一召委所提案也谢谢委员已经签名同意改成组决议文字修正委要求建保属于6个月内向立法院未还委员会提出暂停要价调查之配套监督与药品供应任性书面报告 |
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1951.552 |
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好 第367案改組決議並照行政經安宣讀文字通過現在進行第368案368案由盧憲一召委提案也感謝委員已經簽名同意改成組決議文字修正為要求中央中央健康保險署於三個月內立法院未還委員會提出IDS升級全人整照升級全人照護制度化與秀林模式擴散專案報告 |
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1952.073 |
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1978.259 |
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好 第368案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第369案369案謝謝 也是盧憲一 趙薇所提案謝謝委員已經簽名改成主決議文字修正委要求健保署向立法院衛環委員會提出原鄉偏鄉遠距醫療專科別放寬計分級醫療彈性配套書面報告好 369案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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2003.586 |
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劉建國委員不在先行保留 現在進行第371案371案謝謝王育明委員所提案也謝謝委員已經簽名改成主決議文資修正委要求中央健保署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出前開書面報告好 371案改主決議並照行政金剛宣讀 文資通過現在進行第372案 |
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2005.957 |
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2018.916 |
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372案由陳金輝委員所提案也謝謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文資修正委要求衛生福利部中央健保署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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2019.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2040.041 |
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第三百七十二案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百七十三案三百七十三案由邱政軍委員所提案那提案原是由健保業務完善健保醫療費用總額及給付機制捐助醫事服務機構提升網路頻寬獎勵提升醫事服務機構智慧化資訊及資料上傳的這個欄位 |
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2046.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2065.675 |
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凍結兩千萬那感謝委員已經簽名同意改成凍結一百萬並文字修正為暨衛福部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後時可動之373案改凍結一百萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過將進行第374案 |
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2067.108 |
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2069.45 |
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第三百七十四案改組決議並照行政進行訓導文字通過現在進行第三百七十五案 |
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2086.364 |
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2087.605 |
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375萬改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第376案 |
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2106.138 |
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三百七十六案由林月琴委員所提案也非常謝謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正為要求衛生福利部中央健保署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好三百七十六案改主決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百七十七案 |
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2127.545 |
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2154.304 |
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377案由邱惠入成交資委員所提案那原本是在健保業務完善健保醫療費用總額及給付機制業務費為半費原凍結10%那委員已經簽名同意改凍結健保業務200萬文字修正為衛生福利部中央健保屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告並經同意後使得動之好第377案改凍結200萬元 |
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並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百七十八案三百七十八案由邱惠祿委員所提案非常感謝邱委員已經簽名同意改成主決議文字修正為要求衛生福利部中央健保屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三百七十八案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百七十九案 |
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2183.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2204.19 |
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379案由陳金輝委員所提案謝謝委員已經簽名同意改成主決議那這個文字修正為建請中央健保署於三個月內提出書面報告就肝炎醫療脊腹改善方案研議提升脊腹之可行性以提升醫療院所新收案與持續追蹤之參與意願 |
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2205.971 |
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2222.826 |
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並持續檢討現行方案獎勵機制以提升抗病毒治療覆蓋率與疾病控制成效降低日後肝硬化及肝癌負擔第三百七十九案主決議修正文字照行政機關宣讀文字通過第三百八十案 |
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2224.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2241.224 |
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380案由林月琴 吳麗華等委員提案那健保署遵照辦理好 382案照案通過現在進行第381案381案由王振旭委員等提案那健保署遵照辦理 謝謝第381案照案通過 現在進行第382案 |
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2247.642 |
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2259.392 |
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第382案由黃秀芳委員提案那國民健康署原凍結1000萬元感謝委員以簽名同意改凍結國民健康署業務100萬元並與第402、410案併案並以402案為主案 |
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2266.218 |
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2287.036 |
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好第382案改凍結100萬元並照行政經關宣讀文字通過先進行第383案請求委員科目是否自行調整他有簽名嗎科目自行調整的部分照原本的科目照國民健康署科目已經簽名了好 |
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2293.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2297.977 |
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國民健康業務就是已經簽名同意改凍結國民健康業務100萬元凍結100萬元對啊 |
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2316.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2336.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
至於科目諮詢調整的部分這個書面資料上面沒有我們這裡沒有科目調整國民健康業務是是沒錯對你就這樣念OK是委員我再念一次好了委員已經簽名同意改凍結國民健康業務100萬元並與402 410案併案並以402案為主案好謝謝主席好 |
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2343.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2369.062 |
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382案改動結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過第383案第383案由邱惠入委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部應加強食安餘勤收集分析研究之效益好 第383案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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2372.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2393.695 |
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第三百八十四案圖權及委員提案感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委、國民健康署與食品藥物管理署應特別針對孕婦及兒童等高風險族群進行衛教宣導於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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2394.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2415.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
好 第384案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第385案第385案由王玉明委員提案感謝原科技業務全人健康促進與成癮防治研究原凍結300萬元那感謝委員已經簽名同意改刪減科技業務100萬元並與第392案併案以第385案為主案 |
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2421.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2423.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
OK 第385案改檢列100萬元好 第386案 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2429.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2455.116 |
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第366案由王玉明委員提案那第386案科技業務全人健康促進與成癮防治研究原凍結300萬元感謝委員已經簽名同意改凍結100萬元文字修正為要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出勢力保健改善書面報告 |
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2455.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2483.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第三百八十六案改凍結一百萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第三百八十七案第三百八十七案由王玉明委員提案感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出無添加糖飲料推動兒童及青少年減糖政策之書面報告 |
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2484.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
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第387案改組決議並照行政機關宣導文字通過將進行第388案第388案由邱惠璐委員提案納改縣委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出電子煙防制書面報告 |
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好 秋瑞好 OK 謝謝主席那本來呢我這邊是凍結國建署20萬元但經過昨天署長一直來這個誠意的溝通之後呢我改為主決議但是有一些重要的事項還是要在這邊進行溝通跟定令就是目前我國呢對電子胭脂處罰製造輸入跟供應那並沒有處罰 |
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電子煙的持有跟使用所以導致電子煙稀釋的問題就是與日俱增這個與日俱增的風潮甚至吹到校園導致校園不管是國中還是高中都大有人在稀釋電子煙我們看到一個觸目驚心的數字就是2023年根據教育部國教署它所做的 |
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統計資料指出呢只有237個人吸食電子煙到了2024年數據提升到499人到了2025年數據攀升到1629人是之前的7倍那今年 |
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雖然還沒過完但是到5月23號的統計總共有1050年所以現在的數字就是去年的60%那我們其實只統計到5月而已那對於這個顛指菸在校園蔓延的情形台灣民眾黨昨天也有召開一個記者會那當然開記者會的一個背景是有家長不斷的來陳情陳情說 |
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有國小五年級的學生躲在廁所吸電子煙而且對電子煙吸食這件事還以一個相互請客的態度在進行所以我們在這邊很希望呼籲國建署能夠針對電子煙的持有跟使用來做一個嚴謹的管制讓電子煙蔓延到國小校園的情形能夠得到 |
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一些赫子特別是電子煙的載體又能夠作為喪屍煙彈吸食的一個工具這讓我們更加觸目驚心尤其最近新聞又常常呈現出說吸毒而導致致死的一個交通問題出現讓我們非常的擔心所以在這邊我們呼籲這個國建署能把電子煙的管制做一個好好的規劃那當然他們這邊也提到說他們已經提出修法版本了 |
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那现在应该是送到院会那我们期待在不久的将来我们可以看到这些相关的规定三读通过然后为电子烟的防治出现一个更强而有力的嚇阻以上说明谢谢 |
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第388案改組決議並照新政機關宣導文字通過現在進行第389案第389案由王玉明委員提案那改卸委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為請國民健康署持續透過監測調查建立不同生命週期的營養照顧推動策略有效轉換為可量化改善成果以維護國人的體味健康 |
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第三百九十案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百九十案第三百九十案由王玉明委員提案那也感謝委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三百九十案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百九十一案 |
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第三百九十一案由盧憲宜召委提案那也感謝召委已簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第三百九十一案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第三百九十二案 |
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第392案由廖偉祥委員提案科技業務運動科技應用與產業發展推動國民健康場域應用計畫原刪減100萬元那感謝委員以簽名同意改刪減科技業務100萬元並與第385案併案以第385案為主案 |
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好第392案改3減100萬元現在進行第393案 |
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393跟394都是我的那因為署長昨天也是很有誠意的來溝通所以等一下我們可以請署長建議就是樹木就是您的凍結的樹木但是呢我很仔細的把您的報告看完了就其實他是一個部長在總諮詢的時候認為他自己非常不滿意的一個這個產品 |
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但是我們的這個報告裡面其實並沒有寫到檢討的事項反而是寫了很多他的優點那我去查了一下就是你們在下載完成註冊然後得到一些回饋642分應該是因為當時有辦抽獎活動是嗎因為我有去問了有下載的人他們這些活動是怎麼樣 |
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下載然後填什麼問卷是因為當時有一個誘因但是這個分析的重點結果實在是跟一些實際上獲得的回饋差異蠻大的對因為裡面幾乎是稱讚這個APP居多比如說提升自我覺察介面易懂操作獎勵機制等等的所以其實這個整個報告摘要裡面 |
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跟檢討沒有什麼相關性對那這一點是我希望可以在後續的報告得到就是你可以真的知道之前有哪邊需要改進的地方然後你後面才可以做好嗎 |
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嗯這是第一點啦那第二點當然是許多人在意的比如說偏鄉啊或者是高風險的族群因為你們都會有這些高風險族群的資料嘛比如說糖尿病的這些個案啊等等的或是三高什麼的那這些人未來你們有要提高他們的點數的計算的誘因或者是說如果他們有去做篩檢預防醫學運動等等的 |
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這個族群你們有沒有辦法加強他們對於這個健康管理的一些方法就是結合在這裡面因為後續要再花快4千萬嘛所以如果後續這個4千萬可以實際的把它做好它才可以真的提升所有人的自我管理 對 |
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好那你要建議嗎所以之後我們希望你的報告裡面是真的有檢討的成分然後我們看了以後就可以使得動質那你要建議的書母好謝謝委員的建議那確實在報告裡面比較多的部分是在檢討這個APP的使用那當然就是說整體上來看我們看到 |
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我們說回來民眾問卷的部分滿意度其實有到7.6分其實看起來還是不錯但是還是有2.4分成長的空間包含比如說字體太小然後包含就是有一些連結的部分跟激勵的部分可能比較不足我講一個蠻簡單人家給我的反饋比如說我們現在有像這樣子的飲料基本上這個高齡長者是看不太到它的容量是多少的 |
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所以你最後是要統計自己那個攝取的議題的這個CC數我覺得這個他們應該是有困難的對比如說一些很直觀的事情是所以這個我們的介面的部分其實也會有適用者回饋說要輸入的部分雖然是很直覺但是其實在量化上不是那麼的友善好去做量化 |
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所以後續我們也會再評估是不是有辦法開發利用照片的部分就可以直接讀取做初步的估算那這個部分我們也會進一步的研議好那就請署長建議 |
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主席我們就凍結100然後書面報告時的凍結 同意後好謝謝 謝謝署長 謝謝部長署長你可以再重複 請他簽名 |
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393案科技業務運動科技應用與產業我們393跟394可以合併沒關係好那第393及第394案科技業務運動科技應用與產業發展推動國民健康場域應用計畫原凍結3900萬元那感謝委員同意那改凍結100萬元50萬改凍結50萬元 |
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那可與第394案併案對 |
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好那就393是100然後書面報告經同意後時得動之394是改組決議謝謝委員謝謝委員那簽名的文字文件再上來OK好那就393案改動結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過第394案 |
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第三百九十四案感谢委员已经同意改组决议文字修正委员要求卫生福利部国民健康署于三个月内向立法院社会福利及卫生环境委员会提出书面报告第三百九十四案改组决议并照行政经济宣读文字通过 |
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現在進行第395案第395案由王玉明翁曉琳委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出癌症防治精進書面報告 |
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好 第三百九十五案改組決議並照行政機關宣導文字通過 現在進行第三百九十六案三百九十六案由王育民委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部國民健康署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出指定菸品健康風險評估審查進度及精進策略書面報告好 王育民委員 |
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對 這案我補充說明一下它其實是跟菸品的管理有關那雖然我的提案案有其實原來是在講說你本來在那個菸品的審查程序就是一再的延宕那個過程顯然主管機關就是沒有一套原則我本來的提案是這個 |
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但是我特別要發言是要講就是昨天媒體報的那個電子菸的問題其實也是非常的嚴重我覺得衛福部現在整體在這個查緝這個菸品的這個力道上面國建署這邊真的你們的力道要加強因為現在這個電子菸已經進到國小那國小 |
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就是大家還各自因為他很方便就躲在廁所大家你一口我一口就變成是這樣子的情況那沒有開放但是氾濫成這個樣子我覺得主管機關你們在這個公權力的行使跟查緝的力度上面真的是太就是讓那個問題我現在看到是惡化就是說年齡層下降然後比例增加那這一塊呢 |
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雖然這個不在我原來的主題的範圍之內但是今天因為也是委員會審查預算這個我要特別提醒部長這個問題危害到是我們下一代的健康現在電子煙的問題不只是這個喪屍煙彈它可能夾雜吸毒的問題但對於這一些未成年人來講之前其實董事基金會他們就講了 |
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就是你開放加熱菸之後你電子菸也沒有辦法有效的管理那你會變成這些未青年人的可敬性或是他被這樣子的一個載具所吸引那個就會變成是一個很大的漏洞就是一定會讓我們的未成年人這個比例會上升果不然現在的情況就是他已經 |
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蔓延到這個國小階段我覺得這件事情那個衛福部你們應該要有一個專案的小組而且跨部會的就是包含教育部包含法務部應該要這種聯合性的行動怎麼從校方這邊嚴格去取締什麼從源頭去打擊因為現在很多他其實是化整為零啊他的那個 |
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電子菸它就是零件進來然後組裝然後就直接然後又方便取得我覺得這個問題其實是蠻嚴重的所以就是說因為剛好提到這個也是跟菸品有關今天我一定要特別發言提出來就是這個部分這個部長這件事情其實自為關鍵你讓這麼小的國小的學生然後就透過電子菸去吸食這當中可能還混雜毒品這個問題是真的非同小可要好好嚴正的去處理好不好 |
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好謝謝王燕銘委員第396項改組決議並照行政金融宣讀文字通過將進行第397案第397案由陳雲委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員衛生福利部應持續關注巡迴式健檢CT車事辦行行後評估後續相關規劃之可行行 |
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好第397案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過將進行第398案第398案由王正旭委員提案那也感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部應邀集經濟部數位發展部 |
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及其他相關單位共同延伸管理相關高風險商品之完整制度與因應對策並於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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第398案改組決議並照行政機關宣討文字通過現在進行第399案第399案由楊耀委員提案那感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院提出持續推動健康體位之書面報告 |
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第399案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第400案第400案由邱惠入委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原詞要求衛生福利部國民健康署三個月內提出糖尿病防治精進作為之書面報告第400案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第401案 |
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第401案由劉建國委員提案那之前是跟委員溝通口頭同意該組決議那部長委員好 請劉建國委員沒有 你們是跟誰溝通誰跟你口頭同意我人都還活著這個 |
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蘇長你們坐 站著很奇怪請坐下來好不好我想台灣的慢性腎臟病基本上還是一個滿重大的挑戰 |
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應該我這邊數字這樣是去年200萬名的患者當中接近200萬名的患者中因為早期症狀不明顯所以很多民眾等到這個腎功能大幅下降之後才去就醫也錯失了這個早期花線與治療的黃金時機那最後已經無可挽回進入到末期的透析階段 |
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也就是說我們為什麼盛行率會屈高不下的主要原因我們當然做了很多努力啦那基本上我還是覺得努力還是不夠的真的努力還是不足夠過去我們如果對照那個在對抗吸肝的那個精準公衛的防治的經驗如果可以把這個慢性腎臟病也可以發揮到跨部位的整合我想這個效果應該會更好然後 |
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基層的診所是民眾最容易接觸到的這個醫療據點我希望貴署可以更積極的提升這個診所基層診所的量能把成人健檢還是階級化還是與健保署的照護機制銜接起來所以還是希望從社區端及早的找出高風險的個案我想這個應該是可以讓國健署 |
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有更好的這樣的一個方法來做那原本我是跟你凍結預算是兩千萬嘛是不是這樣啦我就給你改動為改動一百萬啦然後兩個月內提出整個改善的書面報告然後經委員會同意後 捨得動之主要是強化這個慢性腎臟病的預防距離作為的書面報告可以吧好 感謝委員謝謝 |
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請署長再念一遍剛才劉雲所說的第401案感謝劉建國委員改凍結100萬元那文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法 |
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兩個月內 對不起 要求衛生福利部國民健康署於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出強化慢性腎臟病預防具體作為之書面報告 使得動之好 可以經同意後 使得動之經同意後 使得動之好 401案改動解100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第402案 |
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402案由林月琴委員提案原國民健康業務成人及中老年保健原凍結500萬元感謝委員已經簽名同意改凍結國民健康業務100萬元並與第382 410案併案以第402案為主案第402改凍結100萬元 |
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並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第403案403案由陳金輝委員提案 讓感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原詞 要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第403案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第404案 |
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404案由盧憲一召委提案那此案經過與召委的溝通是不是改組決議 |
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我的想法還是跟劉建國委員一樣就是因為我們的漸減利潤率低到不行連續五年都不及三成甚至是113年連續五年三成都不到甚至113年是29.3那原住民地區常常也是因為 |
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地理的關係常常是看得到吃不到的一個窘境所以我想說是不是有個更好的模式可以讓這個全民健檢呢從老年的這個部分能夠把它的利用力能夠提升所以我這邊跟剛才的凍結差不多凍結100萬元改善方案提書面報告這樣 |
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好謝謝昭偉那呃這一呃401案就是原凍結2000萬改凍結100萬404案原凍結2000萬改凍結100萬 |
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然後文字修正為 原此要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出強化成人預防保健之具體作為書面報告好 那再把書面資料拿給我簽好 謝謝莊委第404案改動結100萬元並在行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第405案 |
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405案由邱政軍委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原詞要求衛生福利部國民健康署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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第406案改组决议并照行政机关宣读文字通过 向进行第406案第406案改组决议并照行政机关宣读文字通过 向进行第406案第406案改组决议并照行政机关宣读文字通过 向进行第406案第406案改组决议并照行政机关宣读文字通过 向进行第407案 |
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第407案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第408案 |
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第408案由邱惠璐委員提案感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原始要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出持續推動健康體位之書面報告第408案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第409案 |
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第409案由召委提案感謝召委已簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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好 第409案改組決議並在行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第410案第410案由林月琴委員提案第410案國民健康業務我國少子化對策計畫2.0健康照顧原凍結2000萬元感謝委員以簽名同意改凍結國民健康業務100萬元並與第382第402案併案 |
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以第402案為主案第412案改併結100萬元並照行政經理宣讀文字通過現在進行第412案第411案第411案由邱振軍委員提案感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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好第411案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 現在進行第412案第412案由王玉明委員提案那改憲委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告請王玉明委員 |
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對 這案我也表達一下意見主要是針對這個少子化的對策國建署這邊其實也都有編列經費那我們人數是一直在下降那你們經費是有成長那我比較質疑的就是說那個的效益我們現在真的很嚴重我剛剛還在教文委員會今天要審那個幼照法那我們看到的現在少子化真的是國安危機 |
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上個月出生人口不到7000人然後連續29個月人口創新低這個下降率19%那國健署這個跟懷孕生產有關其實你們應該也是有相對的這個責任所以我原本提這個凍結案是要督促你們應該要提出更多友善跟有效的對策這樣子 對 |
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那所以這個部分我希望這個部長這個少子化的議題也是衛福部的重中之重那國健署在這當中其實很多都是跟孕產婦嬰幼兒這些其實有關那怎麼樣讓那個環境打造得更友善去支撐這一些年輕的父母親然後去提高這個生育率我希望督促大家在這一塊還是要持續去進行好不好 |
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第412案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第413案第413案由召委提案那感謝召委已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原詞要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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好第413案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第414案第414案由蘇清泉委員提案那改設委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好第414案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第415案 |
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第415案由蘇清泉委員提案那改卸委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部國民健康署於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第415案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第416案 |
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第416案由昭緯提案那感謝昭緯已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求國民健康署三個月內向立法院未還委員會提出原鄉慢性病及癌症篩檢異常追蹤與就醫銜接補強方案書面報告 |
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好 第416案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第417案第417案由劉建國委員提案這案要與委員溝通是否改組決議 |
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給建國委員不同意 不同意理由很簡單我在這邊先要感謝這個石部長在過去的努力讓我們的這個矮友看到一個一個嶄新的一個希望那但是雖然有將近這 |
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有將近這50億的癌症新藥的基金在運作但是我還是期待他還是必須要朝向法治化這個部分我想應該怎麼講我這邊有一個書面資料跟部長跟署長大家來做一個討論 |
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台灣這個癌症的時鐘持續在快轉每生20秒就有一個人罹癌那有時候病友陷入到這個診療的一個等待期很長那適應這個受限看得到有時候用不到困境 |
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雖然我們在2024宣布以B610億的供預算的方式來成立所謂的癌症診療多元支持基金這對癌有事雖然是一大呼應但是這個基金已經運作一年多了成功也有收載十多項診療我想來造福超過數以千計的病友 |
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也實質有減輕這個癌症家庭超過應該是不止啦現在應該不止上億的負擔了應該是更多那也成功在健保體制外發揮的救命的這樣的一個過渡跟支持的功能但是我想我們還是要面對這個正式的一個客觀事實因為當時我們一直朝向希望朝向法治化嘛 |
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因為我們還是會擔心這個基金沒有足夠的法則基礎它的運作其實僅靠一個單純的一個原則或許部長會跟我講說現在也是順順的但是順順的是你們還有做補助所以順順的嘛 |
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我們還是期待它可以朝向法治化這個才可以長治久安過去這個罕病防治及藥法我們曾經也是世界的先驅但是還是缺乏更上路的預算還有幾戶的機制保障下 |
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也曾經罕見的 罕要的幾戶從86.8下降到47.7甚至也曾經發生7.681的新藥預算局執行1200多萬的極低的效能所以我想這個警鐘是提醒我們沒有一個法律上的依循跟保障可能隨時會在因為溢價或是行政程序中卡關 |
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好 我簡單就補充這兩點就好那我還是期待可以可以可以朝向華智化那就看署長這邊怎麼還是部長怎麼做回應我們才會處理這個看這個預算怎麼處理好請現在接官回應那是不是請示委員我們可以動50萬 |
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應該是具體你能在兩個月內是不是有什麼樣的一個更好的朝向法治化的作為可以提供書面報告 |
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給委員會然後委員會同意之後就使得動之可以吧那一千改一百啦好不好好改一百那幾十萬一萬你這個委員會說啦因為現在覺得漏氣漏氣國慶署好不好謝謝 |
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好那感謝委員那第417案原凍結一千萬那謝謝委員同意改為凍結一百萬那文字是否修正為要求衛生福利部續依全民健康保險法相關法規作為癌症新藥法源與維運基礎書面報告 |
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兩個月內與兩個月內提供書面報告並經委員會同意並經同意後動之好OK啦 我OK 葡萄你咱們也要回一下 |
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我們先同意讓你也說兩句 好不好謝謝謝謝老議員這個我們現在運作當然是 |
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剛開始所以慢慢會朝向穩定那麼讓我們運作一段時間至於讓它能夠長期的運作有一個很堅定的法源 |
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我們跟這個國健署還有這個健保署我們來討論看看看看怎麼樣朝向委員的期待讓他這個基金能夠法制化我們來做研究謝謝委員的指教跟過去長期對阿友的支持好 謝謝部長第417案改凍且100萬元並照行政經關訓讀文字通過現在進行第418案 |
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第418案由邱政軍委員提案那改謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原詞要求國民健康署強化推廣癌症篩檢重要性並提升篩檢服務量第418案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀原則通過現在進行第419案 |
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第419案由廖偉翔委員提案那感謝委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原要求衛生福利部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好第419案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第420案 |
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第420案由王玉明委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原衛生福利部應加強馬多磷酸之管制兼測級研究第420案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第421案 |
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第421案由王振旭委員提案 此案遵照辦理 凍10萬元好 第421案照案通過 現在進行第421案對不起 421案可以徵求發言請王委員是 謝謝署長這邊同意遵照辦理 凍結10萬不過這個部分真的我要再加強說明有關這個癌症防治法 |
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從2003年立法到現在23年之間真的框架變化不大包括剛剛這個劉委員也有提到 劉召偉也有提到目前還是以這個防跟治為主不過在這個總統香港台灣的願景到 |
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2030年希望把癌症死亡率降低三分之一的目標之下果然我們也看到部裡面的努力包括署裡面也針對癌症篩檢的癌別還有適用對象的擴充都增加了非常的多而且在相關新聞 |
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先要給付的政策都有持續的精進所以預期我們這個未來癌症存活者會大幅的增加目前有將近有百萬的癌症存活者已經在社會上持續提供他們的對社會的幫助跟對家庭的幫助 |
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所以政府在癌症的预防跟治疗之外其实我们也需要提供这些癌症病人包含心理经济就业跟社区等多方面的支持才能够把这一群癌症存活者或者是康复者有更好的支持还有提供相关的所有协助那其中癌症防治法将是未来政策执行的重要法源依据就好像刚刚 |
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所以我們很期待說在2027年的6月之前能夠提出癌症防治法修法的草案其中尤其是在知識各方面 |
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上一次在跟卓院長還有跟部長在做總諮詢的時候有提出來所以我們希望在三個月裡面請署理針對這個癌症防治法的修法進度的規劃跟初步的延長報告先提出一個出面報告給我們做參考那這一部分我們也希望部長能不能夠也表示針對於 |
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這麼多的癌症存活者、康復者需要有更好的法院依據來協助他們各方面的支持的時候部裡面是不是也可以提供相關的看法給大家做參考部長各位也稍微回應謝謝 |
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謝謝王委員對這個癌症病人過去的非常的這個關照那我想確實也有一段時間我們來研究看看癌症防治法需不需要大幅的再來修法那我們來先研究啦先從一個研究從各個角度 |
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來包含剛剛談到的那個癌藥基金看看是不是還有之前這個王永遠特別關心到的是全方位的癌友的照顧啦不是我們早年剛開始的時候是以篩檢跟治療為主我們現在可能要更全面性的包含 |
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這個環境的支持就業啦就學啦還有他的生活啦這些支持心理健康等等我們我請這個國健署也許先做一個研究把這個癌症防治法我們目前呢這個 |
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所需要的這個要upgrade這樣的一個法制上的架構先做一些研究這樣是好 那麽部長 署長這邊就可以邀請相關聯誼的學者 專家跟旅遊團體一起來演唱好 謝謝好 謝謝王政修委員現在進行第422位主席 我再這一點再補充一下這個部長就是很就是很很有經驗也很內行 |
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我才會對市部長有更高的期待包含我現在的國健署還有健保署兩位署長其實你們做事情的這種態度跟方法都其實坦白講我應該都是很敬佩的所以才會希望趁你們還在位的時候趕快朝向法治化 |
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我們希望你們走這一天不要造成你們對你們領域俠館的業務有所遺憾因為這零星嗨嗨謝淑多M本因為王醫師是癌科的專家他看到這個人世間的種種家庭的這樣的一個 |
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講到這樣應該大家都理解我講的狀況了所以114年我們編了那我們也一段時間了啦坦白講一段時間所以才希望因為這原本就是就是讓我們的政策如果得當然後透過一個更好的一個法制更好的一個規範 |
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然後讓這個基金得以永續然後可以擴大持續上的這個量能我們的蟹頭幫還有在跟死神在拉拔嘛 對不對那也減輕他們有更多的更高的這樣一個負擔嘛這些事情來講我覺得 |
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我覺得部長還有兩位市長絕對做得到啦依照你們的專業然後跟行政院司令跟總統我說總統也願意來做這件事情但是當時為什麼只會答應說依照這個先用過預算去編的這個預算那也是會聆聽我們衛福部還有我們兩個單位的意見嘛然後大家想要循序漸漸但是這個事情是要過速度的啦 |
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這件事是真的要關上桌子的,你沒有關上桌子的機器人,你可以跟我說,我就想編一些錢,這個錢就足夠先來應付,機器人不一定要馬上去花錢花,你如果要這樣跟我說,我也不可以給你反駁啦,我也不可以給你反駁,但是當時你看我們要去處理這件事情的時候,也不是14年,是從,其實開始倡議應該是比14年更早的幾年,就是在倡議的, |
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你看倡議倡多久才在114年去把原有在健保總額幾戶的這個薪料再拉出來另外這個基金來做運作做處理嘛那我知道像國健署健保署也依據政策來擴大很多的這個這個癌病的這樣的一個篩檢然後量也都提高我想精神診所很多醫師看到你們也都 |
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都抱著非常敬畏的心情在跟你們互動這個整體有動起來這個有動起來其實這一塊我們是強調說他有足夠的裁員但是他更需要有應該有更好的這樣的一個法律的依據把這個制度更加的完善 |
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現在進行第422案 |
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第422案国民健康业务提高国家重要癌症筛检业务费由陈金辉委员提案原冻结10%715万7000元那感谢委员已经签名同意改冻结50万元文字修正为4.卫生福利部国民健康属于3个月内向立法院社会福利及卫生环境委员会提出书面报告 |
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第四百二十二案改動結五十萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第四百二十三案第四百二十三案由邱惠入陳昭芝委員提案那改正委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員衛生福利部國民健康署應持續簡化癌品認證基準並請台灣護理學會台灣腫瘤護理學會橫著調整各管師相關訓練 |
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第424案改组决议并照行政金刚宣读文字通过现在进行第424案第424案由赵伟提案感谢赵伟已签名同意改组决议文字修正为原此要求卫生福利部国民健康署应提出针对山地原乡建立大肠癌筛检检体在地回收与后送机制书面报告 |
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還是講一下好了因為以前在收大廠的那個就是檢體的時候真的是費盡千辛萬苦因為有的時候那個檢體就會不見了有的時候去了兩三天才會遇到醫護人員所以我想說是不是可以結合當地的郵政或者是7-11或者是全家做一個類似有收那個檢體的平臺不然光靠一個檢體然後 |
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讓醫護人員仍然麻煩 因為到處在找檢體 我覺得這個實在是不是現代生活應該看到的這個狀況 我是覺得針對偏鄉地區要有一個比較流暢的方式 我是覺得要去思考一下那個方式 好不好 謝謝我們會再來演繹好 第483改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第425案 |
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第四百二十五案由邱惠璐委員提案那改憲委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原始要求衛生福利部國民健康署三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第四百二十五案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第四百二十六案 |
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第426案由陳金輝委員提案改憲委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部國民健康署一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第426案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第427案 |
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第427案由苏清泉委员提案感谢委员已经签名同意改组决议文字修正委员要求卫生福利部国民健康署建立身体活动与健康饮食资料交换标准以立跨系统资料串接 |
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第四百二十七案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第四百二十八案第四百二十八案由王振旭委員提案第四百二十八案遵照辦理第四百二十八案暫通過主席我會不會針對第四百二十八案在麻煩國建署或者是部裡面這一邊針對這個兒童的近視能夠有 |
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再跟我們的教育部提出一些更好的方案來協助我們真的非常擔心我們這些小朋友們在成長的過程裡面現在3C產品實在是太發達了所以他們的近視比例尤其最近的統計發現青少年近視超過600度的高度近視佔了20%將來我們真的沒有飛寬 |
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雖然說可能會無人機取代很多的這些飛行的需求不過針對於兒童的近視真的是要麻煩部裡面還有書裡面提出更有效的一些方案包括聯合教育部我未來會持續的關注這個議題 |
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那也希望能夠跟各個部會有更多的協商的機會那也看有沒有更好的資源來協助如何讓我們的這些兒童應該說是青年學生們不管是國小 國中他們在成長的過程裡面甚至是從這個幼稚園就要開始關注他們的視力的保健這部分要麻煩部理 還有處理再加強謝謝謝謝委員好 前往玉銘委員 |
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這個我呼籲王正旭委員我之前在這個386案也有提出這個凍結跟檢列的案子我關注的也一樣是兒童近視高度惡化的問題真的是現在你看到這一些在幼兒園的孩子就開始 |
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戴眼鏡那到小一有的戴得都很厚重我覺得這個視力健康的惡化好像國內一直找不出一個有效的方案就是說怎麼樣來防止就是這個視力惡化再發生那這的確跟這個3C的產品現在包括手機平板 |
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有很多家長他可能就是把他當保姆小孩子會哭會鬧你如果到餐廳你會看到說玩平板的時候就好安靜所以家長也很開心就是說不吵了但是他們可能沒有那個意識就是說你給孩子接觸這樣子一個平板 |
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你可能只能幾分鐘然後你可能就必須就是收回來就大家好像缺乏這樣的意識然後把3C產品變保母我覺得這樣的情況這個衛福部應該要有更好的整套的這個策略怎麼樣去一方面讓父母知道一方面在幼兒園就是這個學校老師怎麼去落實還有到國小階段 |
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這個真的是要很早期的預防因為我覺得大人如果沒有這樣的一個意識然後現在的確又這麼普遍那它又是安撫孩子一個很好的工具我覺得大家就會變成用得很習慣但是孩子的視力就是在這樣的過程當中他其實就被傷害了那這件事情 |
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真的也期待這個國健所應該要提出一個更有力的防治措施然後結合這一些眼科醫學會就大家應該可以研議出一個更好的方案怎麼樣好好的來落實要不然這個近視的問題真的是惡化好不好謝謝謝謝委員的建議好現在進行第429案 |
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第429案由王正旭委員提案 此案我們遵照辦理第429案狀案通過 現在進行第430案第430案由張偉提案 此案遵照辦理 |
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我這邊還是要講一下原住民地區還有偏鄉地區的肥胖率實在是比都會區高所以我覺得是不是應該跟運動部來來商討一下這個所謂的運動幣啊健康幣讓中小學生或者是高中生可以有多多元的運動的或者是飲食的一個思考讓他們的那個體重的控制能夠在跟都會區能夠 |
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不要差距太遠 我覺得要多多的去替他們設想因為偏鄉的地方不像都會去有健康中心 運動中心只有他們都是自己在摸索也不知道這些可以用的剛剛你們有導入那些運動的一些科技的部分我是覺得這個部分我覺得如果跟運動部一起去討論的話我是覺得這個肥胖的情形應該是可以在偏鄉地區能夠有所 |
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成績 不然你看我們都是一直說台東 屏東 花蓮的肥胖越來越嚴重 可是卻沒有一個解方所以我覺得我們衛福部跟運動部應該確實要朝這個我想跨部會的去來探討這個對我們的偏鄉的血統 年輕人給他們一個比較正確的方向 好不好 |
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好謝謝專委謝謝第430案章案通過現在進行第431案第431案為黃秀邦委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結50萬元有修正的字嗎 |
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沒有修正本質就是金額有調整第431案改動結50萬元現在進行第432案第432案委內會議員委員林蔚琳委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名 |
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改為主決議文字修正如下最後一段文字修正為要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出西北地區長照人力留任改善計畫書面報告 |
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好第432改組決議並照新增監管宣讀文字通過現在進行第433案第433案為邱惠璐委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為組決議文字修正如下委員提案第一段文字刪除第三段文字第三行以下修正為針對未按時接種疫苗 |
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健康保險費滯納拒絕育兒訪視員居家訪視等各種具體指標的危機徵兆又同以下接委員原提案內容第四段文字修正如下為促使主管機關加速跨部會衛政與警政資訊系統的通聯翻轉被動體系原要求衛生福利部於一個月內送交書面報告與未還委員會以上 |
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第434案改組決議並照行政經安宣讀文字通過現在進行第434案第434案為邱會入委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為組決議文字修正如下 |
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委員提案第三段以下整個宣讀如下民間團體提出參考日本、芬蘭、英國、荷蘭等國之普惠家庭訪視制度與分層支援模式衛生福利部應研議將現行育兒指導員擴大為普惠家庭訪視計畫規劃採取全面性主動到府的訪視措施計畫應適家庭需要提供適當人數 |
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適當次數之服務尤其針對脆弱家庭增加訪視次數確實把關幼童受照顧情形與人身安全為推動兒少保護原要求衛福部於一個月內送交書面報告與衛福委員會以上好第434案改組決議並照行政監管宣讀文字通過現在進行第435案 |
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435萬為王振旭委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結30萬元並修正文字那除了凍結金額有300萬元修正為30萬元以外另外提案倒數第三行6個月修正為3個月以上好第435萬改凍結30萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第436案 |
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而第436萬為陳穎委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結新台幣50萬元那而提案最後兩行文字修正如下原提案凍結新台幣50萬元代替出如何精進 |
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水母入監幼兒權益具體措施後使得動之436案改凍結50萬元並照新增基金宣讀文字通過第437案第437案為林月琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結新台幣100萬元 |
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然後並同意第437案438案等兩案並案凍結100萬元科目自行調整然後以437案為主案以上第437案改凍結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文職通過現在進行第438案第438案為林月琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名修正修正 |
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報告金額沒有調整凍結金額沒有調整但是修正報告期限有兩個月修正為三個月並同意以437案、438案等兩案並案凍結100萬元科目自行調整並以437案為主案以上第438案維持凍結100萬元並照行政經辦宣讀文字通過現在進行第439案 |
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第439萬為我們召集委員提案謝謝召委已經同意簽名改為主決議最後一段文字修正如下要求衛生福利部三個月內提出共生社區書面報告以上 |
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第439案改組決定並照行政監管宣讀文字通過現在進行第440案第440案為劉建國委員提案那有先跟劉建國委員辦公室有建議是否可以這個提案內容可以由簡列一千萬元修正凍結一億元修正為凍結三十萬元那還待委員同意以上請劉委員 |
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好 謝謝主席這件事情我再度提起這也是我去年跟王正希委員去考察的時候特別到實地去看到一個罹患脊椎性肌肉萎縮症的病友他也是一個優秀的說事生因為個人的助理時數一直嚴重不足導致他是不敢喝水必須憋尿然後連要完成這個協約都成為一個奢求 |
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女士也在現場那女士也承認全國類似這樣急重症的這些案例至少有超過500多例我想這個目前個人助理的服務面臨的嚴重的人力不足我想私家署也非常清楚也會導致這些病人的權利大大的受損 |
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那我在這邊處理當時在處理勞動部預算的時候也有具體的向勞動部要求勞動部也明確表示願意配合衛部來培訓個人助理的人力人力是一件事情使用的時數不足又是一件事情那所以我還是期待社交組我們不能以拖待變 |
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因為你們有到現場去看你們都很清楚那樣的艱辛 那樣的窘境還有包含他的醫師就講到一個男性的醫師就講到掉下眼淚那我實在是希望說這個人力短缺還有這個服務的可敬性可能社交組織這邊 |
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應該要有具體的這樣的一個作為跟更好的一個方法所以原本這個檢是不需要啦根本不需要去給你們做任何檢類但是動還是要有一個範圍然後希望你們可以盡快把相關的這個應應備的方式趕快提出來 |
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跟委員報告這幾年其實我們在自立生活的部分經費的投注是一直有在成長的而且幅度並不算小那這個部分的話也謝謝委員的提醒那我們會持續的跟勞動部一起努力來增加培訓這個相關的 |
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有關個人助理的人力的培訓把服務提供端的人力做更好的補充然後另外在服務內容的部分團體以及個別服務的民眾一直有在反映到的不管是從身障服務 |
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到服務部份的能夠做一定程度的結合和調整等等這個幾個面向那目前我們都已經衛福部這邊都已經在做相關的檢討那預期今年之內應該可以會有一個比較具體的方向讓這個重度的身心障礙者 |
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那這類的狀況可以在使用服務的部分能夠有更便利的措施這個我們都已經在左手研議所以我們建議是否委員這邊可以容許那如果是這樣的話我們建議是不是如果可以不用剪列我們的預算的話凍結金額的部分我們是具體建議是不是有可能凍結在30萬元那報告的部分的話因為這個部分我們還在研議當中 |
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我們希望能夠有一個比較具體的報告能夠提供給立法院這邊報告的期限是不是容許可以由一個月修正為三個月以上 |
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處長 應該這麼說啦齁這個事情絕對不是現在嘛 對不對好不好 去年就去看的情況實在是看得很心痛啦然後再來 我必須要提醒一點啦齁我們當然有我們的一個制度嘛但是這個制度不是叫做障礙制度啦 |
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我們面對這種極重度的身障的朋友這樣的對象其實我們整個在個人助理的身前然後搭配的長照基本上那個是叫做障礙的制度 |
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我實在很抱歉又說下去我還沒有說下去你可能也很難去承受然後確認到現在已經又一年多了一年多了那我們又大修了生存碗那目前生存碗還是還在協商當中嘛對不對能不能快速取得共識能不能在這個會期其實這個會期早就過了是又被延會嘛對不然論今這個會期也要不再過啦所以我是覺得你們的思維真的 |
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真的比較慢那我覺得這整個銜接跟讓生意障礙者使用的提出這個自立生活提出這個個人助理的這個時數跟長照這樣的搭配我還是覺得障礙重重這顯然就是行政機關本身就有障礙的因素在裡面我真的不客氣這麼說 |
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你如果看那個對象那個對象是你的親戚還是你朋友的女兒你真的在那個地方我不曉得你的心情會怎麼樣然後怎麼可能又一年多了到現在我們沒有看到 |
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具體的一個好的一個方式一個方法讓他們覺得說我們社家屬我們貴屋部真的有站在他們立場而且整個在申請過程裡面是多麼樣的利便然後多麼樣可以達到他們需求反而不是在講說因為如果全部要針對這些集中症的案例500多例可能要依照他們需求整個算起來一年就要匡列多少預算編列多少預算 |
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把一些根本不是事實的事情這樣看到 |
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我很難去理解怎麼會底下的幕僚去提供那種評估的經費是數十倍是數十倍我講真的有時候你變到數十倍的預算你需求者第一個不一定用得到第二個你們也沒辦法去做這樣執行我們其實從預算的本質裡面去看到很多對照這幾年而且特別針對兒少的部分我覺得那個兒少部分我們預算越變越多那小朋友越生越少 |
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那執行率的狀況是每況愈下如果我們把對照表拿出來好好檢視啊覺得台灣會造成少子化這麼嚴重其實某個層面來講政府是要負起最大的責任啦所以現在總統你下單啦現在總統你下單啦那整個行政體系心態如果不改變總統都下單啦那個執行的效率還是有限啦 |
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我真的不客氣這麼講所以一個個人助理要讓我們急重症的身障朋友可以比較人性化的一個申請的過程裡面可以講這麼久而且你已經也貴為署長了我真的對各位都有很大的這樣的一個期待 |
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所以三國會就讓你三國會 其實你如果可以比較快就兩次啦然後那個凍結 我就跟你講不要講那個幾十萬的啦 其實凍結現在可以凍結一千萬 凍結一億 你們還是可以做嘛你到我這裡你計較這個 你每次都要把方塊金拿出來要比較實在的 |
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凍結一百啦 我們要三個月內提出這個相關的應變作為跟改善計畫然後送委員會經同意後使得動之主席就這樣好不好 謝謝謝謝盧建國委員 現在請陳金輝委員 |
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好謝謝主席然後也謝謝劉建國委員跟我關心同樣的議題所以我也想要發問我想問署長因為我們這個身心障礙法修正進度已經在我們這邊審訊可是保留很多條文沒有處理 |
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對那現在是很多民團還有身上朋友的團體的訴求那就是呼應到剛剛劉委員說的個人助理這個部分因為很多人現在在看我們的直播啊所以我們想要問署長您未來這個方向因為個人助理 |
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這個一個人分配的時數他們現在統計起來是一天只能用1.9小時然後申請服務至少要評估三個月以上這個很嚴重的影響到他們的生存權跟自主權 |
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那針對這個個人助理時數太低我想要請社家署現在就可以給我們初步的回覆後續您要怎麼精進因為我知道您有在溝通預算的過程中講到說要跟其他單位來討論比如說從長照那邊 |
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是不是可以支援等等所以我們必須要具體的問出來說你預計個人助理的時數你想要往幾個小時上升然後你什麼時候才會弄好好嗎 可以請署長回覆嗎 |
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是跟兩位委員報告那也謝謝兩位委員的這個指正和關心那我們其實在從去年到現在其實跟相關的身障團體有過蠻多次的討論大概開會就開了有四次那這個部分其實我們大概希望在計畫裡面能夠把怎麼樣去把身障的服務和長照的服務能夠做一個結合讓我們身障朋友在使用上的障礙可以確實能夠一定程度的降低 |
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那這個部分我們大概已經做了蠻多次的規劃那也跟服務的團體來做過一些討論那我們預計在七月份會有第三次會有下一次的會議會來持續就我們大概規劃的內容來聆聽大家的意見那我們當然希望說在今年之內 |
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這個只要大家有一定程度的這個討論能夠有一定程度的聚焦我們希望能夠在今年之內就把這個事辦的計畫就在今年度之內能夠定下來那在服務的內容的部分那服務的除了這個目前在看到的這個除了現行規定的包括身障以及長照的服務之外那針對這個這個障礙程度特別高的服務需求量特別高的這個我們的民眾們 |
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那我們也在這個計畫裡面試著嘗試去把他的那個整個服務的內容的時數也去做一些增加那這個增加的部分的話確實那因為在下次會議我們會把那個草案拿出來跟大家來做一個討論那我們來做那因為這個部分也會涉及到整個我們在整個總體經費上面怎麼樣去把經費籌措起來然後能夠去支撐這樣服務的內容那這個部分的話我們這個整個服務量的部分確實還要做一些計算 |
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那但是我們會在下次會議的上面那跟團體來做個比較具體的討論署長你沒有講那個時數你們目標大概要增加到多少個小時 |
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尤其是針對您剛提到的重度的跟委員報告因為即使是重度因為他的那個障礙這個身心障礙的那個內容的型態跟需求因為本來在他如果是這個使用個人助理的話是經過地方政府來做一個評估他的需求時數 |
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那這個部分的話那怎麼樣去透過那個評估的過程去釐清那以及跟長照來做一個搭配其實在制度上面需要做一些討論但是總的方向來說時數一定會往上調整而且會有相當幅度的調整那具體的時數確實是需要後面在會議上面來跟團體做一個比較詳細的討論而且因為將那個障礙的類別以及形態可能需要會有不太一樣的規劃 |
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所以是預計7月會開會然後應該今年年底以前我們目標是希望今年年底之前我們的一個事辦計畫可以開始來推動謝謝署長回覆 謝謝對不起 主席我顧一下 謝謝為什麼一定要到年底 |
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你要再經過幾個春夏秋冬跟我們報告我們預計在七月開會如果七月大家討論的內容是聚焦順利的話我們能夠壞一定盡量壞你們可以就儘早溝通嘛為什麼也不一定要到七月啊你這個月就可以溝通了啊對不對我們都不曉得明天會怎麼樣啊 |
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好不好這個月的列體前然後包含生存法還有幾個大家有意見的也是不行貴族就可以寄在聯繫上那如果大家比較有拉得近的公司我們就可以馬上來排審嘛再排協商嘛對不對然後至於那一個要提高時數更人性的一個時數基本上我覺得而且還是叫做事半計畫那叫做事半計畫真的不需要再經過兩季了啦 |
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我們一定來努力我們兩個正常人都不一定可以看到明天的太陽所以我們就加快啦我們一定盡快來處理我建議是這樣啦是不是剛剛陳偉宇就這麼講了他跟你對話的時候注意到說你沒有七種計量抓這樣那是不是這樣就是 |
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6月底前就就競速召開一個協商的會議嗎協調的會議跟我們報告齁因為跟團體協調的結果7月的會議的時間是跟團體已經協調過確定在7月那這個這個部分的話這個已經跟團體已經協調過已經談好的好那示範計畫是不是可以經7月的協調完之後那一季我們就來就來就來啟動示範計畫嗎可以嗎 |
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我們只要談的有空事我們一定盡快來啟動沒有 你的盡快就沒有壓時間就不叫做盡快那主席對不起那我剛剛這個案動起一擺那後面我可能再補一個剛剛他講的是不是就依照經理們跟這個團體來協調協商完之後然後事辦計畫需在這個本年度的第三季開始實施 |
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公園報告因為這個要讓地方政府來處理我們建議是不是在第四季來如果整個行政程序還真的是需要一點點時間連補助計畫也要做一個核定的動作大概正常的行政流程是不是容我們在第四季來啟動如果委員要加這個文字的話是不是有可能容我們在第四季我們來處理我們一定會盡快的來做啦 |
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沒有啦 你們儘快做得 儘快的 你的儘快的年華啊一年多了啦嘿 那次你要不爭取的嘛去年齁對啊 你現在爭取啊 我們就看到那個陽光啊看到光線 也看到速度啊對啊對啦 |
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第三季啦 第三季就啟動示範計畫了啦 可以啦你為這些 為這些朋友來努力讓大家看到未來嘛 看到希望嘛好 謝謝你們 我們來努力謝謝那請署長把修正文字再列一遍文字審理過 這個跟交往報告 |
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因為那個委員這邊有增加的文字我們先整理一下給委員過目過後簽字然後再送給召委這邊再送給主席這邊主席我等一下再補充因為我是48但是我也可以一併增加我等一下也會一併增加第三季的這個內容謝謝那第442改動前100萬修正文字代委員 |
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確認無誤後再簽名再送上來謝謝現在進行第441案第441案是楊耀委員提案那謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為主決議文字最後一句文字修正如下原要求衛生福利部社會及家庭屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交書面報告以上 |
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第441案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第442案第442案是我們召委提案那也謝謝委員謝謝召委已經同意簽名改為組決議那最後一段文字修正如下為落實CRPD與原民健康平權原要求衛生福利部、社會及家庭署於三個月內 |
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向立法院未還委員會提出援助民族身心障礙者需求調查輔具交通及社區居住支持書面報告以上好 沒關係好第442案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第443案 |
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第443案是林月琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結50萬元並且同意科目自行調整並按凍結好 請林議員請上來 |
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好 這樣子還是要再度提醒因為之前我們也諮詢過也開過協調會可是至今還是沒有特別有得到解決因為目前全國我們聲音障礙者專用的停車識別證發放的數量跟專用車位的數量竟然高達14比1 |
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而且每年因為違規使用而被註銷的識別證卻只有各位數到十餘件一個本來那個量次就已經不夠了然後呢又因為假設他違規使用而且 |
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好像在取消這個資格幾乎都量很少所以跟身上者普遍反映專用車位遭冒用 佔用的情況明顯不符這個我說我們開過機會可是他感覺目前還是沒有辦法看到 |
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那你到底怎麼去跟就社政警政跟交通機關間的違規資訊到底有沒有有效串聯否則的話真正需要使用的用不到那可能他又借用甚至讓人家再使用那根本今天是身障的朋友他根本就用不上那上次就希望你們可以去處理可處理到現在這記者會也開了一年多了到現在還是沒有看到有 |
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什麼樣的一個結果在所以我希望說你們是不是可以對現行的識別症的管理跟退場跟查核機制都要提出精進的作為 |
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是,謝謝委員的提示那我們會跟交通部來再做進一步的討論尤其是針對主要的幾個包括已經預期的這樣的一個証、識別證是不是要怎麼樣去加速一個收回或者是註銷的動作 |
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那這個我們目前是有固定的定期在做調查的動作那但是實際上這個要做回收的部分確實行政上面目前這個要求民眾直接自己送回來的部分行政上確實是有一定的這個效率上不是那麼理想那這個部分的話那在甚至在使用的過程中不管是冒用或者是非 |
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沒有載運身心障礙者的時候這個直接在使用的部分那這個部分在有稽查上的部分是不是能夠再做進一步的加強我們都會跟交通部來做相關的討論甚至被佔用的時候是不是我們的停車場的管理人員應該要去處理不是讓我們的身障朋友在那裏還是找不到停車位那當然就是有事無恐反正也不會有人處理最後他還是在使用這個身障車位 |
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那讓身障朋友每一次都只能說那我就離開這個停車場再去找下一個但是距離他要去的地方就更遙遠了所以請你們要儘快做出處理來我們會持續跟交通部來一起來合作在執法的技術上面來做相關的進進而且我希望你們在那個三個月內提出的書面報告真的是要跟交通單位跟警政單位去對接了解這個現況 |
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好的第443案改凍結50萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第444案第444案是林慧琼委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結新台幣50萬元並且同意科目自行調整然後並按凍結 |
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那所以我們具體的建議是不是容許因為443和444都是這個在凍結在同一支的預算的這個分支項目裡面我們建議是不是容許以443案為主案來做併案凍結 以上好 請李永傑召問今年大概生權 |
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公約也是要交國家報告了啦對 國際審查那一樣的就是說那我們自己這麼多不太符合的狀態你怎麼去呈現那個國家報告到國際委員去做審查因為按照生權公約跟我們生權法規定本來就要 |
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讓那個綁身障者的就業的一個平等權可是事務上的身障者找工作還是困難重重結果我們發現說很多企業情願去繳罰款不願意去邀我們的身障進到職場當中那甚至之前我們在質詢的時候也提過說有公司專門在幫這些企業解決問題一家公司全部都是 |
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不用到你的公司上班我都幫你做處理所以我說是不是先盤點你們現有的一個資源來看身障者從生活支持到進入職場的這個轉型的流程有沒有什麼樣的困難研究一下整個跨體系的整合譬如說也要去跟我們的勞動部 |
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去做什麼樣的一個溝通看是不是讓我們身上的夥伴真的可以順利進入到職場他們也希望工作啊可是問題是他找不到工作他沒辦法進入到產業界啊是 跟委員報告那這個有關身心障礙者就業的部分那我們確實是跟勞動部一直在持續的合作那尤其是針對這個相關的這個政府機關公立學校等等這相關公民營業單位 |
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要去依法禁用的部分那除了一方面我們會去持續的這個宣導這些企業不管公民營單位能夠依照規定去禁用之外那另外那我也跟勞動部這邊有在合作對於身心障礙者就業前的一些支持和準備的部分也持續有在做相關的提供那這個部分的話這個我們也會跟勞動部來持續的來做合作 |
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那不管是這個就業前的一些訓練協助那或者是事業機構事業單位不管是公民營的事業單位中間那怎麼樣去依這個能夠去依照比例實際上去禁用到足額的身心障礙者的這個部分那甚至是對於這個這個如果是沒有依法禁用將來是不是有些 |
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事業單位是用繳納貸金去替代雇用的這種情形那我們也會跟勞動部來做一些再做進一步的討論那就這個繳納貸金而不實際禁用的狀況是不是有能夠更精進的一些做法和這個去檢討然後督促這些公民營單位能夠去做真的能夠做到實質的禁用這個部分我們會跟勞動部再來做一些討論 |
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我希望這書面報告不是只有你們自己就單方你們自己寫的確實事實上是要跟勞動部甚至找我們的全國性的組織一起去做討論 |
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然後再把這報告給我們否則的話你們的很多書面你們自己寫的大家寫的根本跟實務上到底有沒有連結甚至碰到的問題點所以我還是希望你們是這樣子該不會不是就你們單方面的寫這樣的一個書面報告我們一定會找到勞動部跟相關的團體收集他們的意見之後把這個報告彙整出來好 謝謝第442 改動解50萬元 |
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並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第445案第445案是吳立法委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為主決議文字修正如下要求衛生福利部社會及家庭屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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好第445案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第446案第446案是邱振軍委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為組決議那文字修正如下要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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好第446案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第447案第447案是劉建國委員提案那這個我們有建議曾經跟委員辦公室有建議是否可以以組決議方式來修正這個提案內容不過還待委員這邊的同意 |
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請你委員 請委員是不是能夠給我們一些提示 謝謝謝謝啦 謝謝主席 也謝謝署長那個申請法的草案現在還在協商中嘛那這個中間當然也要肯定縣沙署這次的法規裡面總算有有合理的調整了啦 把它入法這個是看到一些曙光啦 |
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但是如果雇主或民間拒絕提供合理調整我聽社交組相關的一些回應基本上好像也是無計可施無法應對然後最終還是要讓這些生意障礙者走上仰賴司法的途徑 |
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這個有時候漫長的輸送過程 礦物廢食無疑也會變對原有的社會 多種社會經濟環境障礙之弱勢的朋友們造成惡毒的傷害那我想如果我們法律有了 卻沒有辦法有相關的配套還是各位覺得在職業上 確實可能會遇到很大的波瀾 |
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那我就會特別希望署長就可以展智慧那到底我們應該在法律認定的過程裡面相關的一些配套就已經想好來入法完之後才有辦法去執行 |
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不然還是序列在那個地方反而造成看得到用不到那也更大這樣的一個困擾又讓聲音障礙者在整個合理調整裡面反而是更加的孤立無援這個真的是必須要請署長特別去思考一下所以相關的配套或是因應的機制是不是可以簡單做說明是 剛剛委員報告 |
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那這次在生權法的修正草案裡面有關合理調整的部分那我們已經把合理調整的這樣的一個制度列到在生權法修正草案的第16條裡面那這個部分的話因為考慮到確實對於多數的國家包括台灣來說 |
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合理調整是一個相對比較新的制度那即使是日本在導入這樣制度的時候他也經過一個社會的調適期所以我們在這次的草案裡面我們大概在草案的建議文字是希望透過在立法之後運用兩年的時間對於合理調整的操作方式去定住相關的指引然後 |
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之後由這個個別的主管機關依照這樣的指引用一年的時間去訂出合理調整的操作的具體的流程那這樣等於有當我們台灣總體社會爭取一個大約三年的一個調適期那之後那如果在碰到合理調整的時候那如果說這個合理調整是需要經過這個身心障礙者 |
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跟這個要調整的義務方要做一個協調的動作那如果去拒絕做我們現行的設計是如果拒絕進入這樣的一個協調的過程的話在我們這次的草案裡面是已經訂出罰則那是如果這個義務方拒絕協調的話那我們是可以直接來做處罰但是我們在這個之前我們有一個相對一個保留給台灣的社會一個一點調適的時間那這是我們現在的規劃那也在 |
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從委員先前在委員會幫我們審查完之後就這個部分因為當時是保留我們也就這樣的一個架構跟多數的委員做一些討論大部分的委員大概有理解我們大概這樣的一個想法跟方向我們也在跟相關的團體在持續的做溝通畢竟聲音上的團體對於希望上路的時間是比較急切的 |
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但是我們也希望能夠一定的程度能平衡台灣社會社會總體社會一個適應的時間那我們會盡快的把這樣的一個這個差距能夠去取得一個共識之後我們把文字整理完來推動後面的這個整個草案來做協商的動作 |
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好 謝謝總統 謝謝主席那就改組決議吧好 謝謝委員那我們建議是不是組決議的最後一段的文字是不是容許就是修正為原要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署於三個月內就合理調整推動支配套措施及宣導策略 |
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於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上謝謝第447案改組決議並照行政經關宣讀文字通過現在進行第448案第448案是陳金輝委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意 |
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簽名修正改為凍結50萬元那文字的部分文字的部分就如同我剛所說的就第448案我希望也加入第三季要有研擬的進度加入我們凍結案的文字那等一下我們會再簽名 謝謝 |
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是 謝謝委員 那個委員的這個448案的部分我們的文字我們也調整一下 然後再給委員這邊來過目好 謝謝好 第448案改動結50萬元書面文字由委員審核後 簽核再拿上來好 現在進行第449案 |
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第449案也是陳清惠委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意改為主決議並簽名文字修正為要求衛生福利部社會及家庭屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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好 第449案改組決議並照行政經關宣讀文字通過現在進行第450案第450案是雷建國委員提案有跟委員辦公室有做過建議我們是不是有機會可以調整為組決議不過還要代委員同意以上好 請李委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 署長剛剛我已經講過了少子化的我個人對整個過去推施行的相關政策5月22日當然總統已經宣布了成長間貼或許我們未來可能會看到這樣的一個成效我們也期待但是我還是要特別講到說我們到底 |
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其實這個少數化當然不是一個社交署可以去承載起來的啦它還是要跨部會但是如果站在我們署的本位裡面是不是有機會會有針對相關的一些調查跟量化的分析還有包含一些社會學的研究曾經有做過嗎 社交署 |
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有關人口的這個部分我們以往社家署這邊是比較沒有去做過單獨委託去做相關的研究不過就國內相關的研究我們是有做相關的蒐集那以及去做相關研究的整理 |
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因為委員的提案這邊是有要求說衛福部應該要針對四分年齡民眾去辦理研究回顧以及相關的研究範圍這個部分的話我們會可以遵照委員的提案的部分來做一個相關的規劃來做一個相關的研究 |
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以往我們並沒有做過,確實是沒有做過。是嗎?以往確實沒有做過。那你為了預算不讓我去動、不讓我去檢測,你現在說你要做了。你這樣也很委屈。而且也極具不專業的去承載這樣的量能,對貴屬反而造成不好的衝擊影響。 |
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那顯然我是罪人一哥沒有跟委員報告因為以往大概沒有沒有這個項目裡面我們把事情講清楚好不好這個大家都可以討論其實我們新民省B70那裡很多問題都會從這邊就找出來了 |
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很多面向我們都可以去了解因為這個項目最主要是要講推展兒童及少年福利的這樣的一個大項我必須要講說你的源頭如果一直銳減那你相對的你要去做推廣兒童及少年福利的 |
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的經費我沒有說要一定比例式的去調降不是這樣反而越少反而相對的預算多做的更多的這樣的兒少的相關的福利的一個支持我樂觀其成嘛我樂觀其成不過我還是希望說這個少子化問題已經是國安的問題我們未來要成立又要再成立兒家屬也從你們這邊再拉出來嘛對不對 |
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那這個過程裡面在原有原有對少子化的這個幾個幾個可以去做相關的研究調查的面向過去到現在到底有沒有做了跟委員報告喔這個我講的是這三個那當然你們你們有沒有其他的還是完全都沒有 |
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以往我們大概主要在探討的部分第一個是國科會有做相關的研究我們都會做資料的蒐集那社家屬的部分我們主要是針對生育意願的部分我們會有做相關的這個這個少子少這個少育的部分因為這涉及到家庭業務的部分 |
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我們以往是比較偏重在生育的部分但是對於結婚的這一段的部分確實以往我們比較沒有做相關的但是國科會有相關的研究但是在這一次總體的政府人口政策的新戰略裡面除了針對會包括從 |
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願意提供的等套我們都會來做相關的努力你們屬是從生育的面向去做了解那你們針對生育的面向相關的研究你們是做什麼樣的研究能不能簡單說明一下簡單就好 |
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根據跟委員報告那以往我們做的研究主要大概還是針對這個已婚的家庭他在結婚以後這個對於生育的部分他的如果他比較不願意生 |
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或者是願意生但是面臨到的困難的部分不管是經濟或者是其他的面向那這個部分所面臨到的一些這個會妨礙對他生育有顧慮的部分那我們會做這個部分的調查跟研究那也針對這個怎麼樣去克服這樣的問題那也去收集在研究中來收集這些已婚家庭的一些意見大概以往的研究大概比較偏重在這樣的一個面向 |
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應該是這麼說啦我們針對這個面向基本上一定是先啟動調查嘛對不對那相關的資料收集齊備之後才做分門別列的幾個面向去做研究嘛應該是這樣嘛那之後才找出可行性的一個方法還是透過什麼樣的方式去做因應嘛 |
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這個這個針對這個部分就生意的部分你們什麼時候開始做然後有沒有這個報告可以讓我們做參考 |
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這個部分的話以往我們大部分的研究大概都是在例行應該說我們有固定的做婦女跟兒少的生活狀況調查那應該是每四年會做一次 |
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那對於這個包括在育兒上面所面臨到的困難跟這個如果有困難有一些希望解決的面向等等大概都在這個調查裡面來做那這個具體的報告以往的調查的部分我們可以提供給委員這邊來做參考 |
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對不起我想要主席不好意思我再問一下我想要了解說四年做一次那做完之後經過調查經過研究那應該有提出相關的應變的積極的作為來 |
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緩解還是說來提升這整個生育的意願的一個促成應該是這樣顯然是四年一到我們所做的調查跟研究跟提出來相關的應變的作為跟方法是實屬無效 |
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如果是這樣子那你這樣的一個調查跟研究基本上你就必須要大夥去調整如果你是固定說四年做這樣四年做這樣四年做這樣那顯然你得到了出來的結論那個生育率還是持續的在下降 |
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那可能也整個檢視我沒有要無意究竟不要誤會啦我是很想了解說因為我們公佈我們知道這個燒紙灘的問題非常嚴重對不對曾經是倒數第二現在是倒數第一韓國也已經趕過我們了 |
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那對我們如果有例行在做這些調查研究然後提出相關對策然後你講是四年四年其實是不會有期啦他們說是不會有期嘛第一個你們要不要去做調整可能每一年你都必須要去做調整了嘛怎麼可能還等四年對不對好那你們當時提出來這個整個調查研究然後提出相對應的方法實屬無效嘛 |
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那是不是應該要有更大幅度的這樣的一個但是你的調查跟研究是必須要精準的嘛你才有辦法那今天我們不是要去跟你動一算三一算可能你如果提出好的方法那我們應該在預算面應該更對你們要鼓勵 |
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甚至要跟你們去加強才對嘛甚至也幫你去跟行政院講說這一塊人家做得不錯相關的方法還比你總統提出來的更好那你應該要讓他們放手一搏讓他們去做那有辦法去提升整體這樣的一個生育率你能夠讓我們稍微修復嗎但是你如果四天做的東西做到結論就是一直亂啊就像那個下降式的最愛式的 |
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那顯然你們又不去改進,那今天我們去跟你們生也剛好而已啊我的邏輯是這樣嘛,我說了應該不會說嘛跟委員報告,這個婦女跟兒少的生活狀況調查確實是我們會固定的期間我們就會做相關的調查 |
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那我們也確實是根據這樣的調查結果來調整行政部門的相關相對應的這個施政的策略所以先前的大概幾次的調查那確實是我們大概比較主要的應對內容大概從不管是 |
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育兒津貼或者是托育補助在做一些更強力的支持之外那針對在先前的少子化2.0政策我們去做了一些加強那但是確實如同委員所說以實際的生育率反映起來這個可能仍然不夠理想那這個也是今年我們怎麼樣去整個政府去提出更大規模的 |
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這個一個總體性的一個操作總體性的一個施政的一個規模來去回應我們現在所面臨到這麼嚴峻的狀況那當然這個我們現在除了這個不管是婦女跟兒少的生活狀況調查之外 |
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那也配合了這個我們在今年剛剛通過的兒童托育服務法那預計對於托育的部分這個希望能夠在養育的這個家庭養育的部分能夠有更多的支持那明年針對我們已經做在規劃在明年針對整個托育的行為的部分的 |
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要做一個比較大規模的相關的調查這個部分也已經在規劃當中那我們會持續的根據國內的總體的生育跟總體的情況那也看這一次政府總體提出來這個人口政策的新的一個投入的情形我們會評估根據整個政策的推動來做相關的施政的一個總體來做調整那也拜託委員能夠給我們多一點支持跟指教以上我現在就是要支持你們我才會跟你講這麼久啊 |
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我如果不支持你們我幹嘛跟你講這麼久但是要支持你們要讓我們真的覺得你們這個方向方法是正確的那我們就會大力的支持但如果說你還是沉浸在過去那個三年四年那種研究的面向去做出去坦白講我會覺得那是無效的所以我才會希望再跟你溝通多一些然後多了解一些 |
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是這樣嗎跟委員報告委員這邊提示到委員提案裡面所提到這個部分的話我們會我們可以來盡量想我們會來想辦法做一個更這個不管是不是四年到我們如果是剛好我們確定一下因為我記得好像是今年正在 |
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我們今年現在正在做新的一年的調查我們會看一下整個調查的內容那我們如果來不及委員所希望做的這些如果我們已經來不及放進去的話我們會額外來做相關的研究做一個比較更廣泛的總體的狀況 |
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能夠去了解國內家長對於不管是結婚到生育的一些態度去做更深入的處理然後讓我們把後續的政策做到更全面這個是我們一定會來處理好啦 署長我們也不要再用大家太多的時間主婕育的內容你就修一下可以的話我就請給你好不好好的好謝謝主席 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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那你改組決議啦 內容我再看一下這樣 好不好好的好 謝謝第453 改組決議修正文字請留言 同意後再簽上來現在進行第451案我先處理451 |
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第451案是林玉琴委員提案那謝謝委員已經同意簽名並同意改凍結100萬元以上然後同意委員並且同意科目自行調整然後可以並按凍結 |
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主席這個一樣是老問題舊問題那我當然知道從我們 |
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兒圈公約施行法之後甚至後來隨動的兒圈法都有修說要讓兒少賠利也就是為了兒少的社會參與可是我們看到這樣的參與機制過度依賴單一的一個會議形式 |
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就是要他來開會反正我就邀你兩個來開會很少去看到說你們就看那個代表名額跟組成的比例那個多元化裡面一直看不到也沒有針對說不同年齡層大部分很多是集中在 |
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高中 那個多元性跟甚至有沒有有一些的多元的背景跟得出需求的兒少設計相應的參與管道因為你們要的是就是某種程度上沒有看會表很精英化就是要文字表達能力很好能夠提案到可是實際上今天講這個兒少參與的時候事實上是他即便畫圖我們都要接受 |
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他的語言能力表達不OK的話他即便畫圖我們都要接受可是你們連邀甚至地方也都是這樣狀況更何況是中央所以他的意見在所以我說本來就期待你們講到兒少參與權的時候他本來就是要先讓兒少知道他權利在哪裡然後要在友善的環境裡面讓他能夠好好的去表達可是你們在選擇的時候就已經挑了 |
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某一些的精英進到這邊第一個有沒有廣為讓更多的兒少知道他權益這是你本來初步 |
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基層基礎就要做的然後才讓這些人進來的時候那才能夠事實上是為我們所能夠去讓他在你的會議殿堂裡邊可以去做一個他自己的闡述可是我們似乎沒有做得很好甚至我們自己過去在縣市還會碰到說他在意見表達的時候根本我們成人的政府部門尤其地方政府根本 |
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常常打斷他也不太重視他的意見甚至對他們的意見都是消極回應所以我們本來是希望你們去更了解各地方政府因為他們是最下一層的那個培養然後才到你們中央來如果沒有的話那怎麼可能只有靠中央的委員會本來就很少可是本來是希望第一艘的兒少委員會事實上可以達到這樣的功能戰然後 |
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甚至每一個這樣的兒少代表他只有一年很多案子他才剛提出來他又不能夠持續列管我們就會起來說那前一次的前一任的是不是可以留下一個或者是說他們是協助輔導的這樣的機制讓 |
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後續接的人可以知道前任的提案然後能夠讓他們可以他畢竟不是跟成人委員一樣嘛可是你們只有一年的時間所以我覺得這樣子很難達成CRC所要求的兒少的實質參與的目標啦有點像形式化也是過水所以我們還是希望你要去了解各地方政府執行的狀況然後也要 |
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中央的也要跨部會的去檢討甚至有些部會是不是也應該去邀兒少不是只有僅僅衛福部的然後一定要考慮到多元士林的參與管道所以不知道這部分 |
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跟委員報告中央的部分目前我們在中央的兒少代表的部分確實是以比較多元的方式來臨聘不管一般的兒少之外包括身心障礙原住民這個幼齡的新住民幼齡的兒少都有納到兒少代表臨選的範圍之內 |
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那在明年的這個兒少代表的推薦裡面我們也除了以往縣市團體推薦之外我們也讓兒少可以自我推薦所以我們把這個來源的部分已經做了一個相關的擴大那但是地方的部分確實是有部分的縣市的做法的部分我們也會這個可能做這個全面性也許不是那麼周延的部分我們也會跟地方政府來做一些協調來讓這個地方政府能夠把這個 |
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兒少代表的遴選的部分能夠有從一個擴大參與的這樣的一個方向來做相關擴大的遴選來做推薦和遴選參與的部分的話目前在兒少培立跟兒少議事的部分其實在培立相關內容裡面我們中央的部分是都大概我們都有在努力的來參與 |
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那中央除了在衛福部之外目前不管是交通部或者是像交通部教育部大概都已經有兒少一定程度的參與那在其他相關的部會的部分我們也持續的跟相關的部會來協調在一些政策裡面能夠融入兒少的意見跟想法那這個部分我們中央的部分我們會持續來做那地方的部分的話我們對於現在尤其在遴選的做法上面我們會來做請地方政府來做一些更廣泛的參與跟調整這個部分我們會持續來推動 |
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署長 我有一個提到 去年年初台中市政府已經甄選一批兒少 也說他們是兒少代表 兒少委員會的代表突然 不知道幾月的時候通知他們 全部通通不是這麼粗暴的在對待我們的兒少的時候你們有涉入嗎 也沒有涉入啊事實上 怎麼可以任由一個台中市政府這樣子去對我們的兒少那他也去跟你們講啊 |
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他們也開記者會那結果有處理嗎結果他們只能彼此摸一摸啊好就是市政府不認可他們可是當初你領選人家是結果最後後來跟他講不是所以我才會說你們有沒有關注地方政府在做這些事情的時候 |
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對於兒少今天希望他們公共參與怎麼會用大人的權限這麼粗暴的對他們說你不是就是不是那你當初遴選我進來說是然後後來轉個身說我不是那個道理在哪邊一樣的在中央你們邀請的時候有沒有請各部會針對於他們要談的這些東西能不能讓他們先理解因為他並不是 |
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勞動的專家或者是交通專家他們也不需要達到這個可是出錢的一些東西也要提供給他們不是說你會議要開的時候當天或者是前一天才給資料他們畢竟還有課業的要做那就有時候沒有辦法時間去研讀這些資料我就要及早準備 |
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所以我等於說今天講兒少參與的時候還有個友善耶不是只有多元還有個友善的條件也希望你們針對地方在做這種事情的時候真的不要讓我覺得用大人的權限去傷害到兒少真的很不應該那我覺得中央應該也要來對地方要有一些處理處置甚至他申訴到中央的時候要去做處理然後另外一個是各部會甚至地方在做的時候除了多元還有個就是友善 |
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去年台中事件確實有發生在兒少領選代表領選的過程中有發生爭議那這個部分的話其實在中央的部分我們大概在我的印象如果沒有記錯應該是在衛福部的兒少委員會裡面已經兩次要求部的兒選委員會裡面有兩次要求台中來做相關的說明跟 |
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檢討他們的辦理的情形針對委員所提到的不只是兒少的參與的廣度對於有關的深度的部分其實目前以中央來說我們對於兒少的賠利絕對不是只有通知發給開會通知發給兒少代表而已而是在只要議程一出來的時候甚至要開會 |
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要規劃要開會之前那來輔導兒少就他們關心的議題來提案就議程的內容只要一知道議程的時候我們就透過我們的兒少培力的單位來跟兒少代表們來去做一些相關的協助讓他們理解整個提案的內容跟討論事項的內容然後協助他們來做意見的發表那這個部分目前都已經在培力的範圍內我們都會持續的做那深度跟廣度的部分要能夠有加強的地方我們也會持續的來處理 |
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蘇珊我不認為那個正義兩個字帶過然後我真的覺得很粗暴啦竟然用這種方式已經領選人家是委員的時候後來就很粗暴跟他講你就不是那我覺得今天講難聽一點你們大人去示範了一個不是很法治的社會今天領選然後呢你的制度也是完備兒少也是按照你們的制度去參與結果台中市政府可以說轉身說你不是 |
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所以我覺得這未來如果相同有這樣的事情發生的時候不是說請他來報告有沒有什麼樣的處理或者是什麼樣的因應而不是讓兒少對我們這些大人們玩弄權限的時候那樣子的失望那就覺得我們示範了什麼示範了一個很粗暴的用權力來處理我們的兒少我覺得這非常不應該以上 |
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是 謝謝委員所以跟委員報告 委員的第451案是不是就如同委員已經簽名的部分 容許我們用這樣的方式來處理好是 謝謝委員好 謝謝第451案改凍結100萬元 並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第452案 |
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第452案是林淑芬委員提案那也謝謝委員已經簽名並同意改為凍結100萬元以上 |
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好第452案改凍結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過先進行第453案第453案是陳金波委員提案也先行委員已經同意並簽名同意改為凍結100萬元委員並同意這個可以並以451委員的451案為主案並案動跟第451案為並案凍結以上 |
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第453案斷絕100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過要進行第454案第454案是林月琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為主決議文字修正如下原此要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署持續檢討 |
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現行規範並向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上這個還是要提醒因為實務上就是發生你如果保姆帶了三個孩子你要他的社區規約要求一定要自己下來去 |
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接第三個小孩的話那必須兩個孩子帶下來幫忙拎著兩個孩子再到下來接第三個孩子那當然你們這邊講是說衛福部跟內政部你們發函去社區管委會真的社區管委會到底所以我們一個申訴的管道讓他們可以去處理而不是這種東西這個 |
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申訴到我們辦公室來應該是平常你們就可以去處理因為過去有時候事實上是保姆可能是不想讓人家查到超售說是要管委會這樣做可是現在是反過來是管委會要求要求說那你有訪客你自己都要下來迎接真的對孩子的安全事實上非常不利否則我呢要就是把孩子放在那邊那叫獨處要不然按照兒少全法51條開罰他們如果我帶下來的話那兩個孩子我 |
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两手抱两个然后再来迎接第三个 |
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這也不合理為什麼那也一樣有安全上的顧慮甚至孩子在熟睡當中還要把包箱那為什麼不能訪客媽媽把孩子送到上面去所以我認為有沒有以後碰到這事情的時候社安署是不是有個申訴的管道讓他們可以去做申訴否則就要求地方因為你們既然有社福考核就要求地方要這樣做否則的話這案子有時候對孩子安全妨礙的時候我不認為事實上是可以漠視這件事情 |
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有關在稽查的部分被攔阻的部分我們是已經發文了委員比較關心的部分是在一般的情形之下的時候如果管委會一概要求保姆要下樓來接不管接客人接待可能探訪的親友或者是其他收託的兒童的時候 |
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那可能反而會造成一個一定程度的不方便那這個部分執行的執行面的部分那我們會跟地方來再做進一步的討論那在執行面上面怎麼樣來做這個一個協調因為畢竟要讓這個現在很多的社區大樓的管委會能夠有一個操作的原則那一方面要能夠給這個居托的保姆們一定程度的合理的一些方便但是這個在稽查的時候又不要變成一個阻礙的時候 |
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都是一個人到樓下門口這樣的一個狀況那怎麼樣在執行面能夠有一個協調那這個部分我們會來跟地方政府來做一些討論那未來在認定或者是協調上面處理的時候我們看看能不能有一個比較一個指導性的一個原則讓地方政府來做進一步的處理 |
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署長你剛剛講稽查稽查之前過去連社會局去的時候有時候都很難突破更何況普通的不是稽查我說今天不約訪的狀況底下我今天不約訪我要去可是管委會阻擋那今天去你今天地方政府很支持我們的訪視輔導員嗎也沒有耶在那裡左等右等等了30分鐘 |
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然後呢就還是沒辦法進去因為因為保姆說他要等他下來待才可以那就在那邊左等右等那每一天要工作量這麼多有多少個30分鐘可以讓你浪費等到那邊甚至有時候等了40幾分鐘保姆遲遲不下來又不能進去管委會又不讓他進去要不要去解決這些長久以來的一些問題 |
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跟委員報告所以這個有關在稽查的部分被攔阻的部分那我們現在已經發文請縣市政府要求這個已經有一個統一性的公文要訪視輔導嗎還是你講是稽查我現在講是訪視輔導的話也是嗎都包含 |
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然後未來在兒托法開始正式上路之後如果有攔阻的話這種情況是可以列入處罰但是我必須跟委員報告同樣都是管委會什麼人要放什麼人不能放這樣一個情形確實是沒有辦法靠一個條文說 |
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準放還是不準放所以他執行面上面需要縣市政府有一個操作的方式一方面便利居托的保姆如果不是稽查的時候可以讓這些人直接進到也許是可以進到家裡面去那但是 |
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稽查的時候又不要變成是妨礙稽查或者是訪視那這邊怎麼樣在執行面上面能夠有一個更好的運作那我們會跟我們會再找地方政府來做一些討論在執行上面去訂出一個比較一次性的做法那至少以現行的情況我們又會有一個結果我們也一樣會透過韓式跟指導行政指導的部分然後請縣市政府來做後續的操作 |
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我覺得是不是可以跟內政部研商討論這個討論的過程我們會請內政部一起參與因為那個社區規約的要求還是在內政部裡邊所以是不是可以請他們一起來共同去討論這件事情把它解決而不是每一次都是辛苦了我們的房市輔導員每次進不得然後在大太陽底下在那裡 |
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先前我們發的那個文在討論的過程中就是有請內政部一起來參與有過相關的結論我們才發文所以這個部分確實中央的部分行政上的協調我們是有充分的來做處理 |
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還有我覺得也要求地方政府啦齁因為這都是委外地方政府如果不支持的時候反而有時候讓承辦單位呢訪視輔導員真的心灰意冷有時候反而是保姆去跟社政單位講的時候變成是拘托的訪視輔導員反而被責備一頓我覺得把如果你剛剛講說你們未來事實上是 |
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會有非常清楚的一個指引的話我非常樂見否則的話會變成辛苦工作的人努力要去捍衛孩子安全的人結果最後事實上還得到可能是地方政府不諒解然後呢反而對他們來講是一個挫折最後選擇離開啊 |
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所以我希望你們這個指引趕快出來以上是謝謝委員那跟我們報告那所以這個第454案委員先前同意的部分是不是容許我們就是這個用如同委員已經同意簽名的部分來做相關的謝謝委員好454案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第455案 |
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第455案是邱振均委員提案應該是455案是林業勤委員剛才已經同意了那應該是456案 |
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是454對不對現在是455現在455那455萬也是林慧琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意簽名並改為改為凍結50萬元那同意並且同意科目自行調整然後可以做並按凍結做依照 |
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好第455案改動結50萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第456案456案是邱正軍委員提案邱委員已經同意並簽名改為主決議文字修正如下原要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署嚴提精進收出養製度書面報告送交立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會以上 |
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好第456案改組決議並照行政經關宣讀文字通過現在進行第457案第457案是林月琴委員提案那也謝謝委員已經同意並簽名改為凍結50萬元並同意科目自行調整跟併案凍結那因為林委員的455案和457案都是凍結都是在同一支跟這個業務 |
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這個預算的分支底下我們建議是不是容許以第455萬為主案那這457案併到455萬併案凍結以上好請林耀前召委這個我不是只有在這邊上經濟部那邊我們也有同樣的案子就是說今天美國歐盟還有我們台灣的一些經濟部檢驗局如果已經公告了召回一堆 |
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窒息夾傷 尤其零睡以下窒息的死亡一直往上躍升所以睡眠環境本來就很重要甚至有些事實上是我們不務超標的嬰幼兒用品危險的玩具我們的標檢局在公告要召回可是到底衛福部這邊針對托嬰中心也好居家保母也好 親子館 |
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你們到底有沒有去調查是了解到他們有公告的這些東西禁止甚至也要求保姆不可以再用因為之前還是肺血召回的那個所謂傾斜式的躺椅結果我們看到保姆還在用托孕中心也還在 |
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還在用 果然後來保母真的用就孩子是窒息死亡所以我覺得政府如果你們之間沒有沒有橫向的一個連結或通報機制的話公告了你們不知道 甚至我們看到經濟部開了 標檢局開了記者會公告哪個嬰兒床不OK 結果我們轉身看托嬰中心還在用那款嬰兒床 那到底 |
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那個查核機制是什麼有沒有衛福部馬上告訴地方政府說這些陰幼用品 寢具都是不可行的甚至要求保姆或托嬰中心要拿掉不可以再使用可是看起來沒有所以我認為衛福部要跟經濟部標檢局建立一個整個的通報跟追蹤的機制 |
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然後定期跟我們的托育機構跟居家保母一個是發布你高峰縣的商品的警示跟停用的一個通知不能坐任這樣最後還是傷到小孩會 |
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跟委員報告這個委員關心的這個部分我們已經找了跟經濟部的標檢局有做一些討論跟協調討論結果也已經有一個結論就是未來只要有這樣的一些不管是醫藥用品或者是有這一類的風險需要召回的時候標檢局會第一時間把這一類的訊息也會通報給衛福部那我們會同步轉給縣市政府 |
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同步也會轉移給相關的團體不管是托嬰中心或者是居托的相關團體那透過行政以及民間業者的消息的聯動然後去把這樣的一些消息需要不安全甚至需要召回不可以再使用的部分 |
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能夠傳遞到第一線那也讓這個後續不管是要做居托的訪視或者是行政上的稽查的這些人員能夠第一時間知道掌握到相關的訊息在稽查或者是訪視的過程如果有發現還有這個第一線不管是 |
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這個托嬰中心或者是居家托育的保母有在使用的時候那趕快促請他們把這樣的一些就不要發現有這樣的物品的時候那就趕快去停用然後把它拿走 |
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所以這邊是要求三個月那要提出說明嗎希望你的報告裡面涵蓋你跟經濟部溝通的這些所有的和包含接下來整個的工作流程包含怎麼去通知地方政府地方政府怎麼要求拖延中心跟居家保姆跟親子館這些 |
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請你們一併把它規劃出一個流程來讓我們知道未來我們大概就可以知道說怎麼去做那如果後邊再持續發生那才可以從中檢討說哪個環節又有扣不緊然後才去調整否則我還是要講這是孩子的命所以了解輕忽不得是謝謝委員這個部分我們一定會把它列到報告裡面然後我們會把那個行政前端的行政的流程跟做法我們會把它如列清楚列在報告內好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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第457案改動解50萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第458案第458案是陳金輝委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為主決議那最後一段文字修正如下要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署嚴提精進收儲養機制書面報告送交立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會以上 |
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第458案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第459案第459案是林月琴委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意簽名改為凍結新台幣100萬元並同意科目執行調整並按凍結 以上 |
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第459案改動結100萬元然後文字同時有459案同時文字有修正這個最後一段文字修正如下原動結該項預算100萬元是衛生福利部社會及家庭署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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第459案改凍結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第460案第460案也是林月琴委員提案謝謝委員已經同意並簽名改為凍結100萬元並著修文字宣讀如下 |
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最後一段文字修正委員凍結該項預算100萬元是衛生福利部社會及家庭署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告同時因為委員在459案和460案都有同意柯牧師型病案凍結我們具體建議是容許以459案為主案那460案並到459案一併凍結以上 |
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第460案改動結100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過460案這邊還是要講那時候立法院先前就通過了臨時提案要求將額內評估專業資能明確納入托育人員的訓練 |
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可是世家署現在公告的這些在職訓練還是沒有把他納入而且113年9月的時候研修會議的時候台北市啊 新北啊桃園 高雄跟台東這五個縣市政府呢都有針對這個課程重疊單元模糊跟做時數不足的這些實務提出修正綜藝可是好像你們還是沒有整合 |
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也就是說立法院已經臨時同意要求的然後後來你們自己的會議當中也有這幾個縣市去提出來說這些課程不敷我們目前現在關注的一些議題你還是114年度還是沿用舊版的內容我覺得非常嚴重影響托育專業跟幼兒安全尤其我很在意的是幼兒安全 |
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各位委員報告,這個部分我們確實是有遵照立法院先前的決議我們現在在修的部分是搭配了兒童法的通過的時候在授權執法裡面現在有關這方面的課程不管是新進人員的訓練或者是在職人員的在職訓練的部分 |
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這些相關的課程我們大概在草案裡面都已經把這些課程列到列到這個訓練的內容裡面去那預計會搭配後面的跟那個耳朵把上路的時候一併來施行我提醒一下齁如果你們是找人專業學者研究的時候齁我還是要特別提醒我不是我知道當然沒有錯你們大概固定都是找某一兩個 |
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專家學者可是要擴及的話要更多的不同的人如果他過去提的都是在原來的框架裡邊你沒有去增擴那就還是原來的思維更沒有解決問題所以我覺得社交所一直以來都有這樣問題就是固定那一兩位好像把你的脫衣政策所有東西就是那兩位來解決嗎不是吧應該要廣為有更多不同的意見 |
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才能夠 否則公民團體也要要是讓他們的意見更被包容 否則的話為什麼當初你看舊版的這個問題就是存在沒有 甚至說對額內這一塊的評估那是不是要有 不是只有 |
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又教的好相關科系的老師事實上是社工的相關科系老師要納入進來做討論可是你們就是很固定的那就沒辦法廣為讓更多的訊息可以進來然後規劃出來課程是比較完備可以去符合托育人員需求應該講他工作上的需求 |
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跟我們報告那個研擬的階段我們當然有爭取專家學者的意見那在草案出來了之後我們後續的討論一定都有包括不管是縣市政府第一線操作的或者是相關育兒這個托育或者是托嬰相關的專業團體相關的第一線民間團體的部分我們在討論這個具體的草案出來之後的討論一定都會都有納入也會參考大家的意見 |
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那來檢視相關潮的內容那這個一定會參酌大家的意見來修正裡面的那你們什麼時候會出來因為講了兩年了還是到現在所以什麼時候會出來因為今年115年了 |
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因為我們現在修正的主要是搭配兒童法授權執法訓練的內容的部分而且已經開過一次會了我們希望能夠在搭配兒童法的上路部分這個規定一定會全套的修完因為兒童法今年五月剛剛公佈 |
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草案的內容如果先修正有一個具體的結論那我們也會來檢視一下我們也會拿出來預告來聽大家的意見事實上現在在討論的過程已經有邀請我們包括各個相關的縣市政府以及民間團體來參與來提供我們這樣的一些想法已經開過一次會 |
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所長這個課程內容跟我們耳脫髮沒有這麼連結到這麼深因為耳脫髮也是要求要有專業訓練可是沒有去影響到你的課程內容吧所以我不知道為什麼一直在跟我講說要等耳脫髮上我說這113年就已經提出來今年是115年 |
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我們這邊的話我們把課程出來之後那我們同步來檢視現行的規定如果可以的話我們來看看是不是能夠讓現行的課程的內容來做一併來做一些同步的來做一些調整 |
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提前開始讓他開始訓練的部分我們來試試看能不能夠讓就是課程的內容實質上就先開始來試用那規定面的部分的話我們就搭配了這個Altova的部分然後配合整個Altova的上路一併來實行但是課程訓練的內容我們來看看是不是能夠融入到現有的現行的訓練內容裡面如果已經課程內容實體已經可以確定的話我們再來嘗試的就 |
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先融到現有的課程裡面看看能不能比兒童法更早一點就先開始納到訓練的課程內 |
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要儘快 因為我覺得時間上有點久了第461案是邱政軍委員提案有跟邱政軍委員辦公室有跟委員辦公室有做過一些討論有做過建議但是委員這邊還沒有簽還沒有具體的簽名的回應 |
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我們同仁拿到資料好像偶然也直接給委員好是謝謝謝謝委員 |
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461案改組決議並照行政經過全宣讀文字通過現在進行第462案第462案是我們召委提案也謝謝召委已經同意並且改為組決議那文字修正如最後一段文字修正如下原要求衛福部社家署於計劃中納入解決山地園鄉發展遲緩兒童療癒機制並提出書面報告以上 |
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第462案改組決議並照行政經管宣言的文字通過現在進行第463案第463案是初會入委員提案也謝謝委員已經簽名同意改為凍結50萬元 |
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謝謝主席我想做一些補充說明我想我們都知道燒紙化問題已經是台灣目前的國安問題我們的政府部門過去10年投入5931億但是新生兒卻越生越少過去10年完全是呈現一個腰斬的局面當然我們的賴政府近日也看到這個問題的嚴重性所以有提出18個大禮包18個大禮包當然就是有 |
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針對發放津貼撒幣的政策來進行規劃但是我想對父母而言不敢生不敢養有一個主要的問題就是公托的資源不見不足那當然我們有看到政府呢他有提出來說對於這個企業如果有支出設預托和設施的費用其實是可以給予稅收的減免這樣子那台灣民眾黨其實很早也提出這樣的一個政策規劃 |
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我想除了補助這個托額的這個支出的費用可以減免稅收之外是不是還有其他更積極的一些作為可以來進行呢例如說縣市政府他如果去建制公托的設施的時候其實是中央政府 |
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是可以向中央政府來申請一些經費的補助這樣子但是這個經費的補助是透過申請才有那是不是這個中央政府在補助地方政府這件事上面可以採取一個更積極的一個義務就是一個強制性的一個規定 |
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就是地方政府如果要設置托兒設施的時候中央政府就有一個強制的義務要來補助我想這樣子才能夠讓公托的設施或者是托兒的設施能夠達到一個比較有效率的成長那這個是關於這一個預算案我們提出了一個建議 |
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除此之外就是433案跟434案我在這邊有提出關於額略如何改善的一些措施是否容我一分鐘來做說明事實上昨天我有召集政府部門還有一些民間團體來針對近日發生在台中的宣宣案來召開一個協調會讓我們知道台中的宣宣案其實就是在12月6號的時候 |
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警察機關有介入12月9號的時候警察機關又第二次的介入但是今年2月的時候萱萱就被 |
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媽媽的同居人施暴最後就過世了那我想這個軒軒案的一個讓人家觸目驚心的劇情真的是大人應該好好的省思因為是不是我們所部件的社會安全網社會安全網出現了什麼樣的一個漏洞導致我們漏接了軒軒那事實上軒軒他在12月6號12月9號被警察發現的時候他是被歸類為脆弱家庭的個案並不是被歸類成兒寶的個案 |
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以至於後續的一個積極的介入就沒有採取所以在這邊呼籲我們社家屬或者是衛福部的保護師對於這些臉上有傷或者是疑似高風險的個案在判別他是兒保的個案或者是脆弱家庭的個案應該要有一個更 |
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所以在專業人員的訓練上或者在系統的篩選上都應該要加強這是第一件事那宣宣案的媽媽她是一個過去在各縣市遊走的一個家庭那也是因為 |
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他在跨縣市遊走導致我們的政府部門在掌握這樣的個案的時候出現了一些掌握上的一些力有未逮的情形所以對於這種在各縣市遊走的家庭我們是不是應該有建立一個強制交接就是跨縣市強制交接的制度跟系統那除此之外對於這種各縣市遊走的家庭我們是不是應該要 |
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建立一個科技定位的一個系統那當然科技定位涉及到人權所以其中是不是要有法規作為依據那目前當然我國沒有這個法規所以是不是進一步要修法來落實科技定位才能夠找到這些 |
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額略的個案或者是脆弱家庭的個案然後讓政府的措施能夠進一步的介入那當然額略這個問題433案434案我補充說明就是本來是凍結1000萬後來我們也改組決議那也希望衛福部不管是在保護師或社家屬這邊都能夠再有更積極的作為出現以上說明謝謝 |
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也謝謝委員的關心這個有關在這個有關463案的部分那我們對於公脫的部件的部分那事實上我們現在都有要求地方那積極的來做一個公脫的部件那也同時 |
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對於地方公托的部件我們也納入到對於社福相關業務的一個考核的項目裡面去那這個部分我們都有實地的在做那對於地方因為這個要去做這個公托的部件所提出來的一些經費上補助的需求那我們都會盡可能在透過公務預算的部分來補助地方對於這個部件的公托來做相關經費上一定程度的支持 |
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那甚至是在這個已經部件完成後相關的營運的部分我們也都有一些這個營運費用的一些跟地方有一些協助那這個我們會持續的來努力那委員前面所提到的有關宣洩案的部分那因為在先前發生後這個大家都非常的難過那制度上面那我們同時一方面我們也要求不管是台中或者是台南那就整個案件 |
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整個執行的過程做一定程度的釐清之外那本部也已經定在七月我們會來就這個重大的案件來做一個後續相關的一個重大案件的檢討和處理那我們已經會定在七月來做開會那就整個總體縣市現在在實務執行上面到底這個不管是在執行面或者是制度面上面是不是有一些可以再做進進的地方那我們會在這個會議上面來做總體的討論以上 |
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謝謝署長那我跟您請教一件事因為你說地方政府跟中央來申請關於公托部件的一些相關經費你們都是盡可能的給予補助那這邊可不可以給我們一些資料就是補助的標準是什麼然後盡可能那個比例是多少然後還有就是沒有通過的原因是什麼 |
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因為我們這邊所提出來的一個建議是希望不是透過申請制來協助地方政府部件而是盡量就是落實這樣的義務然後用法規的方式來做一個強制性的規定那你們的盡可能其實聽起來是接近那我們只是想知道說那個沒有被補助的原因是什麼然後我們才能夠趨向百分之百的方向去邁進謝謝委員 這個資料我們整理出來我們就馬上提供給委員辦公室沒有問題 |
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第463案改動解50萬元並照行政機關宣讀通過現在進行第464案第464案是陳俊輝委員提案那也先陳俊輝委員已經同意並這個並簽名 |
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那改為凍結50萬元那陳委員並同意這個以400邱委員前面463個邱副主委員的提案並到463案以463案為主案並案合併並案凍結50萬元以上好請陳委員 |
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謝謝署長雖然這一案我們已經簽名了但是在這邊還是有幾個問題需要詢問您現在很多爸爸媽媽都知道說公托的總量是增加的可是大家都知道需要排隊那再來分部是很不均的 |
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我們有去查了一個數字現在全國有513處公托服務據點看起來數字是有在上升但是直轄市佔401非直轄市是112更重要的是直轄市每一處據點平均服務是699人非直轄市卻要服務1081人所以這個數字是非常的懸殊的 |
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然後我們去看了一些地方政府新北市它有125處公共托育的服務據點台南市只有17處你可以說是因為各縣市的人口結構不同可是這個差距就是從剛服務的人然後據點處已經很明顯了 |
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那我是希望社家署可以逐縣市去做盤點檢討像是台南這樣子據點偏少中央有沒有主動協助部件因為剛剛邱委員也有問嘛不能只等地方政府自己來提案然後你們再去看它是不是符合你們的條件然後你們再去補助 |
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所以我具體的希望你現在可以稍微答覆一點然後也要在報告裡面是不是針對每一處的據點潛在的服務人口數非直轄市資源不足的情形還有改善的期程放在你們的報告裡可是你初步可以告訴我們這個差距你要如何解決 |
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委員所提示的這個要納入報告內的部分我們都會遵照辦理那我們現在在推動公共托育的部件的部分公園報告那委員這邊提到有517處的目前已經在營運中的公托那目前我們已經同意補助那陸續在興建中後續已經同意補助在興建中的還有190幾處 |
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那這個都已經都同意了正在處理當中那同時我們也請地方政府來做一個就為了要因為會有這個部件的區域實際上有多少兒童的部分因為選址的問題確實是會有地域性的差異 |
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所以我們會督促地方政府來就選址的部分來做一個進一步的考慮那同時我們也跟教育部合作那請地方政府跟這個不管是社會局也跟教育局來合作目前很多的學校已經在國小內設有這個兩歲到六歲的托育設施那就這個部分的話 |
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就盤點這些已經有設零到兩歲到六歲托育設施的學校評估這些學校內是不是還有空間進一步往下去設置零歲到兩歲的這個托育的設施那這個部分我們也都已經開始請地方政府那個透過教育體系和我們社會福利體系的這個資訊的聯通來開始去做相關的盤點這個部分我們一直在積極的來請地方政府來做相關的推動以上 |
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好 謝謝主席 謝謝署長好 謝謝第464案改動解50萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第465案第465案是林愛琴林委員提案 |
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謝謝委員同意並且已經簽名改為凍結新台幣200萬元文字修正在第三段的部分有著作文字修正在文第四行第二點二明確化一組則多協力組織 |
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增加兩個字 知全職分工與跨體系合作評估與決策機制那其他沒有文字修正 以上 請李慧琼教委好政府過去在提出社安網很好 可是重點是這麼多部會 |
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各局處要整合進來的時候就講說一組織多協力聽起來很好就是可是實務上誰組織我不組織你會對我怎麼樣 |
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誰主責那我主責了然後誰協力不協力會怎麼樣所以最後就是全責不清啊可是事實上就很多時候醫療教育警政司法他們根本沒有共同來做決策跟分擔責任的一個機制最後壓力全部在那個很願意去承擔所以三網我之前就諮詢過叫做社政的社安網嘛壓力全部會在社工身上有些時候後送單位也沒辦法去支持他甚至 |
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當他要去跟其他局處協調的時候人家不協力也沒有關係甚至我跟其他的同局的要去協調說你主責不是那我認為你主責誰認為誰主責啊有沒有很清楚的知道誰 |
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應該主責誰又應該協力沒有主責的話有什麼強制要求他一定要主責沒有協力的時候又有什麼要求他一定要協力否則反而事實上變成是積極的社工去承擔更多工作的時候變成是全部的壓力都在他身上一旦出了事又去怪這些很願意去承擔的社工所以我希望你們後邊我就本來就期待你們要討論 |
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把這些講清楚說明白讓大家能夠知道怎麼去執行所有東西應該都SOP不是各個事實上是靠著有熱心熱情的社工在那裡承擔如果講清楚說明白我們的權責都是清楚的話這樣大家工作起來才會覺得說哇有被支持到當有什麼問題的時候的確會有人來幫忙 |
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那也不會讓社工真的留不住所以我覺得希望你們社安署這部分可能要針對這一塊我知道我們也不希望說真的叫做社政的社安網可是我希望既然而造權法在你們這邊甚至 |
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相關的社福的法令都在你們這邊所以我們希望說你們一樣是不是可以找其他的部會一起來溝通把這個所謂的協力和主則講清楚說明白甚至訂出一個範本跟指引來引導以上 |
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謝謝委員的提醒在去年我們大概已經先就一組折多協力的一個分工的原則有訂定一個相關原則性的文字在這一次的事情發生之後我們也針對這樣的一個實際上的操作我們在這個月才剛剛再徵詢了相關的專家 |
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那對於怎麼樣去把這個一組折多協力的內涵可以能夠做更進一步更具體化那不管是分工的明確性等等能夠去做進一步的去處理那我們也已經開會了來徵詢相關的專家的意見那我們後續也會根據這個專家初步討論包括專家以及地方政府的夥伴 |
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那我們根據大家討論的一個具體的方向我們會把這個未來一組折多協力在具體的操作面的部分那怎麼樣能夠去讓它更具體化然後這個同時能夠把包括不只是我們社福單位連同相關的社福體系兼其他部門的一起能夠整合進來大家一起共同來努力這個部分我們會進一步的一起來努力謝謝委員的提醒 謝謝第465案改動前200萬 |
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並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第466案第466案是我們召委的提案那也謝謝召委已經同意並簽名改為主決議文字部分第二段整個修正 |
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調整如下整個第二段宣讀為落實原鄉社會安全網原要求衛福部會同原民會向立法院衛環委員會提出原家中心與社福中心合作與分工文化安全與部落仿式交通配套書面報告內容含 |
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跨部會通報轉介與資訊介接機制仿視交通成本核實補助方案主語及文化安全訓練指標以上好謝謝第466案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過先進行第467案 |
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第467案是武力華委員提案也謝謝委員已經簽名並同意改為主決議這個修正內容委員提案第一段文字全部刪除那第三段文字修正文字修正如下要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署會同原住民組委員會於兩個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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第467案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第468案第468案是劉建國委員提案那有先前有跟委員辦公室有建議是否可以這個左減這個凍結的這個左減三減的數額那這個部委員這邊還要聆聽委員的意見 |
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請劉委員你就我講的就照你講的酌減啊你要怎麼酌減我們有跟委員這邊建議減劣30萬元好你說得好好那就這樣好謝謝謝謝委員好第468案改3減30萬元減劣以後那最後一段文字宣讀如下 |
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原該項預算減列30萬元以下文字都刪除第468案改刪減30萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第469案 |
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第469案是邱政軍委員提案,謝謝邱委員已經同意並簽名改為主決議最後一段文字修正如下原要求衛福部社家屬於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上現在委員人數不夠 |
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我會反省行為你不是要在外面坐 剛才都在外面我剛才走出去了 |
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在那裡啊,好,那你出門找啊?你出門多幾個?好,好,好 |
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報告主席,因為其實早上到現在已經大家都蠻辛苦的是不是先建議休息好,那剛才是到底怎樣 |
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那現在休息用餐那麼中午休息到12點半從第469號開始謝謝現在休息 |
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謝謝大家 |
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跟健保署來說 |
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好 現在繼續開會現在進行第469案 |
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第469案提案委員是邱正軍委員那也謝謝邱委員已經同意並簽名改為主決議那文字的部分最後一段文字修正為原要求衛福部社家署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上好第469案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第470案 |
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第472案是邱惠如邱委員提案也謝謝委員已經同意並簽名改為主決議那我文字修正如下提案第一段文字全數刪除第二段倒數第二行社會安全網並未能及時攔截及至文字修正第三段第二行瞭解為何近年來家庭暴力與兒童性別剝削 |
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| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
14187.37 |
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呈上升趨勢中間兩個字刪除最後一段文字修正為原要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上 |
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謝謝那第471案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行471案第471案是邱政軍委員提案遵照辦理471案照案通過 |
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第472案是陳培宇委員和林月琴委員提案遵照辦理第473案是陳培宇委員和林月琴委員提案遵照辦理第474案是劉建國委員提案主決議遵照辦理 |
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第四百七十五案提案委員是張雅琳委員遵照辦理四百七十五案照案通過第四百七十六案提案委員是張雅琳委員遵照辦理四百七十六案照案通過 |
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第477案提案委是張雅琳委員那委員已經同意並簽名那文字著作修正最後一段文字修正如下原件請衛生福利部社會及家庭署邀請專家及民間團體如身障特效領域一個月內完成時程計劃啟動檢討兒童共榮遊戲場設計參考手冊 |
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有關CMS16262適用範圍對應生權法日程9個月內提交書面報告以上第447項修正文字照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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第478案提案委員張雅琳委員謝謝委員已經同意並簽名主決議文字著作修正第二段文字修正如下原要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署於兩個月內完成兒童及少年合理休憩權保障研究時程規劃一年內提供立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會書面報告以上 |
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第478案修正文字照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第479案第479案是張雅琳委員提案我們遵照辦理479案照案通過 |
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第480案是張雅琳委員提案謝謝委員已經同意並簽名著作文字修正第二段的第二行並邀及兒少代表教育部及相關部會共同討論這幾個文字刪除以上第480案修正文字照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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第481案提要委是張雅琳委員謝謝委員已經同意並簽名那主決議文字著作修正第二段文字修正如下原要求衛生福利部社會及家庭署於三個月內完成兒少數位足跡與影像保護指引實成計畫並於一年內提供立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會書面報告以上 |
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好 481案修正文字照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第482案482案提案委員黃秀芳委員謝謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為要求衛生福利部國家重要研究所應積極投入全球藥材資源盤點強化本土藥用植物研究並建立可替代藥材資料庫以上 |
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黃秀芳委員 |
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中醫藥研究所這方面能夠再加強另外就是說在彰化的這個明道大學原本這個中醫藥研究所也有說要在這邊這個種植這個藥用植物所以是不是可以再說明一下目前這個明道大學的這個狀況是怎樣 |
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好 謝謝委員行政院已經核定由衛福部接手這個明道大學退場的校地那我們也提出了相關規劃的這個方案那會把這一個明道大學退場的校地規劃為中醫藥農業科技及健康園區 |
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那以這個地方為主會連接在特別張南到雲林相關的這個農業的產地那會把這個生產到產品就是藥材藥品跟這個生技產品做串接那再到臨床應用那這個部分會積極辦理也提出在第二個五年計畫裡面也送行政院 |
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行政院國會現在也簽送行政院秘書處所以我們正在希望能爭取到足夠的經費來積極做農業的這個發展的事情林氏芳委員 |
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這要跟丹德要跟我們積極處理第一個剛開始你們就不願意處理那個是行政院拍板拍板你們才不得不接啦第一個第二個然後非接不可以後你們就大張旗鼓然後大編預算那個預算符不符合地方產業的需求那到底能不能達到成效你們在這裡據我所知地方的人其實是有意見的 |
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所以你們在這記得大家對上市區委員 對立法院是胡說八道對地方就是你的趁機會 扶編預算 趁機會地方反應給我 請我講幾句話所以你們在這 一定沒認真喔 也沒專業 也沒心啦現在你們最好是做得比較好整個計畫要務實 核實 跟專業的人好好討論不是趁機會 行政院因為 |
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14584.417 |
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地方的產業的需求跟行政院反應行政院拍板要求你們接下來就趁機服編預算亂編一通然後計劃大事的誇張的這樣子寫你要好好的跟專業地方還有產業發展上好好的溝通跟專業跟 |
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這個那個中藥,不要說整個中藥商人家現在歡迎的都沒有藥材,台灣的藥材都沒有藥材,這件事也很嚴重的啦中藥師喔,不錯不錯,四味素餐,就在那裡,最好耶沒事情就好,有事情找到我,我就做整個編一部走一部,對國家整個中藥材,中藥師對整個中藥界,整個 |
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14631.588 |
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管理其實都沒有在做啦 都沒有啦 飯糰吃臭任由這些不管是現在的既有的體系 中藥商都要自生自滅啦民意代表邊一步你就走一步啦 好啦就是這樣子啦 但是就是說 大家都這樣都沒有人在注意 你也都沒有專業啦 |
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會稍微重來,不是在擺放叫你們中藥界、中藥發展的具體的作為來檢討的專案啦啊對啊,什麼中藥基本法啦那基本法不是作用法啦,看好清楚啦對不對,啊因為沒有教考訓用,也沒有中藥師啦中藥就這樣一直沒落、沒落、沒落中醫藥一直往下沉淪,一直沒落下去 |
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14690.162 |
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四百八十二案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀通過四百八十三、四百八十四案劉建國不再保留現在進行第四百八十五案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
14734.255 |
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485案是蘇慶泉委員提案那感謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為衛生福利部國家中藥研究所應積極研發中藥植物外密體萃取與純化之標準化流程以加速中藥鮮藥研發以上好第485案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第486案 |
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14736.635 |
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486案也是蘇青群委員提案感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為為提升我國中藥新藥研發國際競爭力強化醫療體系在面臨疫情時對民眾的健康照護國家中藥研究所應以實證醫學為核心深化研發量能以上第486案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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14762.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
14781.474 |
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第487案487案是王立民委員提案感謝委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為國家重要研究所應持續提升經費運用效益與政策成果確保資源配置更具透明與效能以上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
14807.303 |
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好第487案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過將進行第488案488案是蘇清泉委員提案委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為衛生福利部國家中藥研究所應積極深化我國與新南向國家與傳統醫藥藥用植物研究及產業鏈結等領域之交流合作以提升我國中醫藥產業國際競爭力以上 |
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14810.297 |
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14833.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
第488案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第489案489案是邱惠如委員提案委員以簽名同意改凍結五萬元要求衛生福利部國家中醫研究所強化國外旅費資用效益以建立具體產出指標 |
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擴大合作多元性以強化產業與臨床應用連結並於出國考察回國後兩個月內向立法院衛生福利及環境衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後使得動之以上第489案改動解五萬元並照行政經關宣讀文字通過現在進行第490案 |
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14856.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
14879.2 |
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第490案是召委陸委員與簽名同意改組決議文字修正為要求國家中藥研究所執行第五期國家癌症防治計劃能確保研究方向符合原住民文化脈絡與實際健康需求以上第492案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過先進行第491案 |
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14881.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
14882.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
第491案改組決議並照新政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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14932.729 |
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接著進行衛生福利部主管基金預算主案討論 既有委員提案二十八案 每案先請行政單位說明 接著請委員表示意見第一案請行政單位說明第一案是劉建國委員 但是現在劉委員不在好 請保留第二案保留 進行第三案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
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委員好那第三案是由王玉明委員所提案那謝謝委員已經簽名也同意改凍結其他業務成本專業服務費三百萬謝謝委員第三案改凍結三百萬並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第四案 |
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第四案也是王月明委員所提案也謝謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部中央健保署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出運用AI技術輔助智慧審查書面報告好謝謝第四案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第五案 |
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第五案感謝王振旭委員那已經同意凍結調降為這個三百千元那在三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出具體的書面報告使得動之 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
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好請王委員好謝謝同意就是冬節改為30萬元那這部分其實上一次也有跟部長一起討論過針對於這個長照發展基金下面如果在醫療整合尤其是醫師公會全聯會還有家庭醫學會他們都很關心如果能夠做更好的銜接針對居家私人個案家庭醫師照護方案的政策來執行這部分的話就是麻煩 |
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書裡面一起趕快把這個事情做一個處理依照當初我們所做的這個研商會議結論來處理以上 |
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好 第六案改三十萬元改凍結三十萬元並照行政機關宣的文字通過現在進行第六案第六案的部分的話謝謝邱政軍委員與獲得委員同意簽名改為改凍一百萬修正文字是原凍結本預算一百萬元待衛福部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後時的動之以上 |
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15087.314 |
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好 第六案改當前一百萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第七案第七案也謝謝邱專軍委員已經同意並簽名改為主決議修正文字如下 原要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
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好第七案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第八案第八案是邱正軍委員的提案那也謝謝委員已經同意簽名同意修改為主決議文字修正為原要求衛福部於二個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出檢討之書面報告以上好第八案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第九案 |
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第九案由邱政軍委員提案那謝謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議那文字修正委員要求衛福部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出檢討及改善書面報告好謝謝第九案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第十案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
第十案由陈寅委员提案那也谢谢委员已经签名同意改组决议文字修正委员要求卫福部国民健康署加强验害防治法规宣导以落实执行法规 |
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好第十案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第十一案第十一案由邱政軍委員提案謝謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為請衛福部國健署應於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好第十一案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第十二案 |
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第十二案由邱政軍委員提案謝謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛福部國民健康署於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好 第十二案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過將進行第十三案 |
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第十三案由邱政軍委員提案謝謝委員已經簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原此要求衛福部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好第十三案改組決議編造行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第十四案第十四案邱委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正為原要求衛福部通盤檢討對於疫苗受害給付從優從寬從速 |
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第十四案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第十五案第十五案邱委員已簽名同意改組決議文字修正委員要求衛福部通盤檢討確實疫苗接種需求規劃採購政策有效運用預算資源 |
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好第15案改組決議並照現在機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第16案第16案邱委員以簽名同意改組決議倒數第二段倒數第二行文字修正為原機關署應善用剩餘款並積極爭取預算 |
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提高加強型流感疫苗採購數量且逐步放寬接種長者對象以提升高齡族群免疫效果原要求衛福部持續審慎評估加強型流感疫苗接種需求妥適規劃採購計劃 |
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第十六案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第十七案第十七案邱委員以簽名同意改組決議文字修正為另要求衛福部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告第十七案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 向進行第十八案 |
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感謝王以明委員同意凍結調降為兩百萬元那科目可自行調整那文字修正的部分是在島屬第五行這邊原凍結住宿室機構服務使用者補助方案預算兩百萬元市衛生福利部於三個月內向立法 |
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15340.923 |
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願社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告說明如何改善民眾對於長照服務資訊可敬信違約管理功能及裁罰處分管理功能規劃進度後 使得動之好 第18案改動結200萬元 並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第19案 |
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第十九案是邱慧如委員這邊的提出來的也感謝已經改為同意改為主決議那相關的文字是要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好 第十九案改主決議並照新政計劃宣導文字通過現在進行第二十案 |
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第二十案是吳立華委員那跟林月琴委員那已經經得吳立華委員同意改為主決議那文字的部分修正在暗油的部分是在第三行的後段原要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院 |
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社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告那在書名的部分在第二段後面的第三行原要求衛生福利部因 |
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會同原住民族委員會嚴尼公社民營或民間合作的原鄉長照床位保證與全額照護補助機制那再來一樣在最後的一行這邊不足之差額應評估予以補貼第二十案改組決議編造行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第二十一案 |
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第二十一案 感謝王毓民委員提案 委員以簽名同意為改為主決議文字修正為 衛福部應於三個月之內提出書面報告 說明1966智能客服之建制標準與現有化物系統之分工 預估使用人次 正能轉接標準 錯誤回復處理 各自保護 無障礙設計及成效評估指標 |
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好 第二十一案改組決議並照行政機關宣討文字通過現在進行第二十二案第二十二案是王玉民委員提案那感謝王委員也同意將凍結數調降為一百萬元而且可以自行調整科目那文字的部分是在在倒數的 |
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第六行這邊後段那向下把專業服務費改為住宿式服務機構使用者補助方案預算一百萬元那四衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告說明近五年長照乍領福報虛報案件件數及金額相關資訊系統 |
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15540.188 |
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違約管理功能及裁罰處分管理功能規劃進度後 使得動之第二項改動前100萬元並照行政機關宣讀而通過現在進行第23案第23案是楊耀委員的提案感謝楊耀委員也同意把它改成主決議那修正的文字是在倒數第二行 |
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原要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告好 第二十三案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 現在進行第二十四案 |
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24案是劉建國委員也獲得劉建國委員的簽名那同意改為3減20萬那科目可以自行調整那文字的部分是在第4行後段原3減20萬元其餘的文字都刪除好 第24案改3減20萬元現在進行第25案 |
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第25案由劉建國他沒有 他不在就保留 現在進行第26案第26案由林月琴委員提案那原強化長照機構服務款核失能及連續性照顧服務計劃服務費用推展費原凍結200萬元那謝謝委員已經簽名同意改凍結100萬元 |
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文字修正的部分內容文字修正是衛福部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告後 使得動之以上第26案改凍結100萬元 並在行政機關宣導文字通過現在進行第27案 |
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第27案是陳雲委員提案謝謝陳雲委員已經同意並簽名改為凍結300萬元文字修正如下最後段的文字修正如下原提案凍結新台幣300萬元待提出如何透過調查及通報找出長照破口具體措施後始得通知 以上好 第27案改凍結300萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第28案 |
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第28案是邱振軍委員提案請衛福部於一個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告遵照辦理好 第28案照案通過有關衛生福利部主管公務及基金預算案第一輪已審查完畢先休息15分鐘 請部會先行溝通稍後繼續進行第二輪審查 |
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現在休息 |
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現在針對保留部分的提案進行第二輪審查先進行公共預算保留部分的主案討論沒案先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見 |
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第十項 |
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第十案是劉建國委員的提案那我們有到委辦來做一個說明現場是原則是同意可以改組決議委員不在就不處理現在進行第十四案好 謝謝要怎麼看第十四案是劉建國委員的第十四案劉建國委員就不處理接下來 |
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第15案吳立華委員已同意改組決議提案在要文字修正衛生福利部依原住民族健康法補助國家衛生研究院成立原住民族健康研究中心兼顧原住民族健康研究政策發展及原住民族健康資料庫建置等重要任務 |
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为确保援助民族健康研究中心相关业务得以持续推动并长期发展请卫生福利部严毅提供所需之人力组织及经费支持强化其执行量能援助民族健康研究中心成立初期因依援助民族健康法推动援助民族健康资料库建置作为未来援助民族健康监测政策规划及研究发展之重要基础 |
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鑑於援助民族健康資料具高度敏感性且涉及資訊安全個人資料保護及資料治理等議題協助援助民族健康研究中心建置援助民族健康資料庫包括協助辦理呼證資料申請及 |
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資料串接作業並優先整合衛生福利部所屬資料包含但不限於全民健康保險資料癌症登記資料成人預防保健資料死因統計資料及其他相關健康資料逐步完成資料準備及連結作業提供援助民族人口健康及相關統計指標查詢服務作為政府制定援助民族健康政策之重要基礎 |
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為擴充原住民族健康資料庫內容請衛生福利部依原住民族健康法授權規定協調相關部會研議資料共享及交換機制逐步建立跨部會資料交換流程以提升資料庫之完整性與政策應用價值原住民族健康政策委員會得就資料收集利用管理及研究發展方向提供專業意見 |
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以確保相關政策及制度設計兼顧專業性文化視切性及援助民族集體權益四哥部會資料交換機制逐步成熟後應進一步規劃與學術研究機構醫療機構偏鄉醫院地方部落及援助民族文化健康站等單位之合作機制作為援助民族健康促進及疾病預防政策之參考以縮減援助民族與全體國民間之健康差距及平均 |
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與命若差 以上報告所以施往改組決議第20案不在這不予處理第26案也是嗎 26案是劉建國委員的提案那就不處理345案 |
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35案也是劉建國委員的提案不處理第39案劉委員提案就不處理48案48案是劉建國委員的提案不處理不予處理69案69案不予處理70案不予處理第83案 |
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83案的部分的話謝謝邱惠露委員的 陳昭芝委員跟邱惠露委員的同意然後改成改動這樣 |
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改動400萬然後修正文字修正文字是最後一 |
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像我我現在開始原建請衛生福利部醫事室針對醫療人員違規資訊介入範圍認定標準及跨機關資料整合機制進行全面檢討以兼顧病人安全程序正義及醫療資訊透明原凍結該項預算四百萬元在衛生福利部於三個月內就跨機關資訊以建立橫向聯繫機制部分 |
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建制資訊整合介接機制醫師懲戒委員會委員聆聘制度與成員組成以及業務上不正當行為懲戒認定標準向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出專案報告後並經同意後實得動之然後改動400萬以上 |
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好 第83案改動解400萬元並照行政機關的圈圖文字通過不好意思我可不可以再補充一個因為那個委辦這邊同意我們就是科目自行調整動400萬科目自行調整 謝謝好 可以然後下面87案87案 |
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87案的部分的話謝謝林淑芬委員同意改動400萬元然後做文字的修正的部分的話是原動節該預算400萬元並提出待衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告並經同意後時得動之好 第一 林淑芬委員 |
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這個是結果這是結論啦但是就是說我們講的問題他們要在這裡跟大家講清楚在立法院做出承諾然後在這裡讓這個社會大概知道說這個未來要怎麼管理不管是從下游的打非法的這個打進去的外媒體或是從上游製造端這個分屬兩個部門的管轄下游的醫療機構 |
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自己打的這個是醫事室管的上有從做外密體不合法的沒有藥證的然後提供給診所打這個是食藥署管的所以在這裡要先講清楚以後再來談結論結論是沒有錯的但是要有過程要有步驟啦 |
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好 謝謝委員剛剛就如同委員請我們特別加強說明的部分的話就是我們分成兩個部分第一個部分的話是我們利用AI主動巡查這個在上次昨天的委員會這邊我們大概有講過大概就從5月15號我們做聯合的一個連同書發布跟我們資訊處然後這邊產生出來因為 |
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目前為止沒有合法的外密體技術也沒有外密體醫療的那個所謂的製劑目前都沒有都沒有狀況下面的時候我們將自動AI巡查出來的產生的醫療機構的名單或者是少部分可能會巡查到就是說廠商的名稱以醫療機構的名稱而言的話我們就直接交查利用再生醫療法這邊產生的我們就去直接去調查的時候就可以發現 |
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然後那有沒有在使用這件事情看到的產品類我們就會交由食藥署這邊以未要的地方來做進行查查所以就如同委員這邊講的上游跟下游這邊我們就在昨天經過了一些討論之後我們會這樣子的以這樣的方式做合作以杜絕像現在的一個亂象以上 |
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因為他講的沒有錯可是這上游到底食藥署要怎麼處理他食藥署還沒有講報告委員如果今天從一絲絲的這樣的尋查有發現有真的有來自於製造廠的產品的話那我們會循我們的方式也會會同衛生局去到這個場地看是不是有製造行為有的話就以未要認定然後以 |
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不是 副署長您輸定還在外面逍遙啊現在你來這裡講話你講話要負責喔現在你說如果有的話這報紙滿天只有我昨天講前天講你在嘛我昨天講的就是這個逍遙在哪裡大家都知道只有警察不知道啦作為要的在哪裡大家都看到了只有你們政府衛生局還有政府機關 |
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食藥署不知道啦什麼叫做如果有就真的有啊滿街都有在打的人很多暴力產業違法偽藥劣藥通通有刑責的有刑責沒人在怕有刑責的你到底有要做嗎做得到嗎我們做得到好但願如此伯弟你有聽喔偽藥喔要有執行要抓要去抓才有用啦不是在這裡用講的好 |
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好 87案改 凍結400萬元 並照行政機關宣讀文字通過90案保留不予處理96案 |
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96案的部分謝謝那個召委這邊同意改為主決議並且簽名修正文字如下為確保醫療教學品質與法規穩定性原請衛生福利部參著各界意見研議將國外牙醫師臨床實作訓練名額納入法規之可行性第96案改主決議並在行政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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103案 |
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103A的部分的話謝謝陳金輝委員同意改為主決議然後也取得委員的簽名然後修正文字如下要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上在這裡反映一下就是一些醫生的陳情跟需求因為 |
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這個醫事司有一個偏鄉醫師留任的獎勵計畫那當然這個計畫是給醫生更多的這個錢嘛但是很多醫生他是反映說他是在意的是子女的教育啊家庭生活職來進修等整體的配套所以他們縱使是想要一直留在那邊但是也很難真正的落地生根 |
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那導致說他可能一個病患他是每個禮拜都看不一樣的醫生這個司長應該很清楚沒有辦法建立長期穩定的關係所以就是請司長思考一下有什麼方式可以除了這個多給一些留任的獎金以外還可以同時的照顧他們的需求這樣子謝謝 |
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然後103案改為主決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第111案111案謝謝陳金輝委員同意改為主決議並獲得簽名然後修正文字 |
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衛生福利 要求衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告以上這邊是想請司長先稍微簡單的答覆一下就是它裡面有個任性教師是做VR的但是呢你實際上在這個東西上花了多少錢然後目前已經訓練了多少人那你預期的效益為何這可以 |
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說一下嗎因為給的那些資料看起來是很抽象但是當然其他的任性計畫我們都已經有聽到有一些這個醫師的前輩他們都有去上過課了那這個訓練有大概幾百人可是這個任性教室是用VR的這個我們對於實際的效益還有你預期達到的效果不清楚 |
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好我先簡單講因為任性這一邊的教室我們現在是準備選定在我們部裡面的南投的訓練中心然後那因為我們平常醫院裡面的就有訓練的教室 |
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訓練教室大概都是以醫療技能這邊來做處理可是對於就是說情境的演練裡面譬如說極大的地震像東京這邊的直下型地震這種傷亡人數上萬人的這種在我們的醫院裡面從來沒有過這樣子的然後所謂的VR的訓練其實現在的整個 |
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要情境模擬的時候包括了可能會有戰傷可能會有極大的地震天然災害的這件事情都是我們目前在醫療訓練裡面所缺乏的目前全國只有一個訓練中心是在國防部的衛情學校所以我們會做一個迷你版的就是 |
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比那個稍微再小一點的是在我們的那個南投訓練中心目前規劃的預算是9000萬然後他帶來的效益的部分的話重點是團隊訓練在那邊因為我們都知道在訓練裡面如果有高擬增這樣子的情境的話就是參與的學員也比較能夠快融入所以 |
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17500.74 |
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17527.935 |
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目前是在規劃研議頭件當中然後今年會有那個初步的那個設計的標案出來我們只是預估大概可能會花到9000萬那你們預計的人次呢預計的人次的話其實會每個月都開開然後而且是以一個team一個team大概就是10到15人左右的規模來做處理所以這樣子的話就是一年大概會有就是一個一個 |
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班大概是10到12人次然後每個月都開會大概至少會兩三百人所以那個會去上這個課的團隊訓練的人他必須要接受過基礎的訓練才能去不是所有的人開始這樣的話我們的訓練效果可能會沒有辦法達到我們希望的 |
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謝謝主席謝謝市長好111案主席我可不可以針對這案也稍微再請求一下因為我有收到雲林台大醫院的馬院長他特別說明說為了要配合這個任性計畫所以目前有在一些責任醫院進行演習那這個演習其實對醫院來講是一個非常大的負擔因為他們要把所有的 |
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參與演習的這些工作同仁一起參與演習的過程裡面事實上是無法進行醫療服務造成的影響是非常非常的明顯所以這部分可能在預算變略或者是處理的時候也希望能夠著以考量以上 |
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好 我們也會跟那個權動署這邊做一些反應看醫療這邊可不可以再做一些些的微調讓醫療運作跟演習這個地方不會衝突謝謝委員指教好121案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 現在進行第120案 |
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120案是劉建國委員的一個提案那這個部分呢我們有初步跟委辦溝通那建議這個案子是不是改為主決議而且文字修正為原此要求衛生福利部跟敘都請各直轄市縣市主管機關依法查處疑似涉有違反心理施法相關案件以上120案 |
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好 同意好 謝謝委員第123案改組決議並造型政經官宣讀文字通過進行第125案第125案也是劉建國委員的提案那這個地方呢是建議這個提案呢也是建議改為組決議那另外就是有關於文字的部分建議修正為 |
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原衛生福利部應就現有心理支持服務研議建立多國語言服務機制以提升心理健康資源平權以上我同意謝謝委員好125案改組決議並在行政機關宣讀文字通過第129案 |
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接下來是第129案也是劉建國委員的提案那這個部分經過跟委辦初步的溝通建議改為減列20萬元好請劉委員169是不是是的減列20對 |
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好 同意 謝謝謝謝委員第129案改簡列20萬元並照新政機關宣讀文字通過好 現在進行第133案 |
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第133案初步經委員辦公室口頭同意與第132案併案並以第133案為主案文字修正為凍結該項預算50萬元科目為心理及口腔健康業務國民口腔健康促進第二期然後另外一個是專案報告改書面報告 |
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好 劉建國委員133案132你說是凍結50萬是不是是是是好 同意並132感謝委員並132第133案改凍結50萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第148案 |
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148案我們跟委辦有討論過那可不可以請委員同意我們併152案然後凍結10%是230萬7千塊那文字修正 |
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原凍結該項預算委辦10%然後於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出護理人力政策準備中長程計畫推動成效書面報告使得動之 |
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好 第148案改凍結10%並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第173案172 172也是劉委員 172謝謝委員改組決議然後 |
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那文字做修正那文字修正就是原此要求衛生福利部積極強化醫院護理正向職場環境並於兩個月內向社會福利及衛生環境委會提出護理人力政策準備中長程計畫推動成效書面報告要多一句話好不好 |
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第一百七十二案改組決議並照行政機關宣讀文字通過 現在進行第一百七十三案 |
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173案跟174、175案這一邊是劉建國委員的這個提案那跟委員辦公室討論是建議這三個病案那凍結50萬是衛生福利部於三個月內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告並經同意後使得凍資以上請委員有同意 |
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好 173 174 175 同意併案 共結50萬並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行第182案我不是簽名了嗎是 |
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第182案提案委員是由昭緯提案那感謝昭緯已經簽名並改組決議那同時文字修正說明如下要求衛福部積極推動援助民族健康照顧中長城計畫並實質編列寬列預算 以上好 第182案改組決議並照新政機關宣讀文字通過 |
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那進行第185案是 第185案提案委員是劉建國委員那經以委員辦公室溝通初步同意減列10萬元那同時針對最後一段的文字修正原減列該預算10萬元以下的文字刪除以上要請委員同意好 請劉委員要同意 |
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好,謝謝委員,謝謝 |
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是接著下來是第186案本案是由邱惠入委員提案那是針對有關互併比對外溝通跟輿情的部分那衛福部做一下說明就是有關我們這個輿情是透過勞務採購的人力每週一到週日都會用輪班的方式 |
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來請同仁針對各個大平台的一些新聞做收集跟彙整然後會把這些相關的資料提供給業務單位去做回應跟參考那接著我們會就是來發布一些新聞的事情那也就是說在資訊的 |
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發布還有提供的部分會由業務單位那衛福部的公關室這邊會彙整一些輿情就是這幾天我們有彙整當時護病筆那一段時間的輿情給委辦的辦公室這邊做參考 |
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那接著就是有關在法案的部分因為行政中立的關係所以我們通常比較不會針對各黨的法案進行說明不過委員有提到就是說以後法案通過之後的一些正確版本 |
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那我們需部就是行政部門這邊要做一個正確的一個對外溝通那這一塊未來衛福部這邊會跟業務單位來加強那適時的對外澄清一些錯誤的訊息避免造成民眾的一些誤解所以本案是不是可以見請委員可以凍結我們50萬那文字修正及提書面報告是 |
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好那我來說明一下就是綜合規劃師他下面有一個業務叫做政策推廣那在這一項業務之下他們有編列471萬的業務項目最主要是在作為政策說明新聞語情的收集跟回應這樣子 |
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那既然是在針對新聞的語情來做收集跟回應我想跟衛福部有關的法令或政策如果是正確的訊息就要加以推廣如果是錯誤的資訊就要加以澄清我想這是一個基本的一個行政作為的態度但是很遺憾的我們看到衛福部對於一些錯誤的訊息並沒有及時的澄清那我以5月8號通過的三班互聘筆入法為例 |
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18200.62 |
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18208.005 |
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那5月8號呢三班戶並比就是在在野黨的聯手之下就三讀通過了但是5月8號到5月12號5月12號是國際護師節在這五天呢輿情瘋狂的在燒那燒的一個主要 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
18216.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
18216.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
然後呢會 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
18237.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
18259.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
出賣護理師權益的版本然後會把護理師打包起來丟包護理師的一個版本那我覺得針對這樣的一個錯假資訊明明通過的是A版本但是網路狂騷的是在錯假資訊的B版本但是衛福部卻沒有做及時的澄清那我們剛剛已經提到了如果今天你們有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
18259.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
18276.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
新聞輿情的收集跟回應的一個功能小組為什麼這個功能小組沒有及時的發揮他的角色功能呢那我們剛提到471萬的預算當中我們知道透過這筆預算衛福部有在辦理一個新聞輿情的承攬計劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
18279.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
18299.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
那其實呢得標的廠商呢他是以405萬的金額獲得了這一項承攬的計畫那請問這個廠商既然拿到了405萬請問你的角色功能在哪裡你完全沒有及時的針對輿情來進一步的回應讓錯假的資訊謠言滿天飛 |
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18302.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
18315.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
錯假的資訊跟謠言滿天飛會產生什麼效果會產生我們努力推動的三班互併比這樣一個利益良善能夠讓護理人員的人力有一個合理配置的一個利益呢就得到了一個誤解勞動條件 |
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18317.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
18321.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
還有這個病人安全還有醫療品質維護的功能就完全的彰顯不出來完全是一個錯假資訊在網路上的一個流竄造成社會大眾對這個政策產生誤解除此之外呢也讓我們護理界某一些人是相信了這些錯假的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
18336.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
18355.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
於是護理界有部分的人士針對護理界特定的團體在進行打壓在進行對立跟撕裂的操作這些讓我們看到都非常的痛心那我覺得追根究柢我們要追追根究柢就是衛福部的責任你們不是有一個新聞的回應跟新聞的收集小組為什麼針對這樣的錯假 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
18358.355 |
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18380.434 |
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資訊不及時的去澄清好你也許你說你不介入黨派所提出版本之爭好或者是說明但是A版本明明已經三讀通過了你可以針對A版本去告訴社會大眾目前三讀通過的是A版本並不是網路上所流傳的一個錯假的資訊好那我們現在要提到剛不是有提到一個405萬學標 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
18383.136 |
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18385.637 |
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得標的廠商那這個廠商我們對於他得標這個承攬計劃新聞輿情的承攬計劃我們也是對他的資格性打上一個問號因為根據我們了解這個廠商他過去有違反勞基法跟職業安全衛生法的一個記錄就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
18401.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
18427 |
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你去他有他有進行健康檢查的業務那健康檢查業務應該要聘任執醫來去進行但是他們並沒有聘任執醫所以這是一個違法紀錄除此之外呢他們也有出勤紀錄打卡不實的一個紀錄除此之外呢也有延長加班沒有經過法定程序的紀錄那我們對於你在新聞輿情的回應上你應該要著重這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
18427.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
18445.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
相關勞動政策正確法令的一個宣導但是你本身卻是一個違反勞基法令職業安全法令的當這樣的廠商來得標不會顯得格外的諷刺嗎所以我們對於他的專業能力旅淵能力乃至於他的資格性我們都大大的打起一個問號 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
18446.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
18472.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
那我們一直在強調說新聞要輿情要收集要回應這是政府責無旁貸的責任但是卻讓這些錯假的資訊在網路上流竄然後沒有加以的澄清那請問一下這筆預算有花在刀口上嗎這筆預算不是丟入像銅板丟入水池都還有叮咚的聲音那這筆預算到底花到哪邊去人民會有感嗎所以我們在這邊我們就呼籲衛福部你對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
18475.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
18496.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
新聞輿情的回應還有收集應該有更具體的作為所以我們要求衛福部能夠針對三班互併筆的爭議的輿情來做一些回覆後續的處理機制還有就是關於這個得標廠商他的資格性履約能力專業能力來做一個說明那在說明之前我們對於這一筆預算我們是維持一個凍結的態度那除此之外我再強調說明就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
18505.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
18529.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
我們是針對衛福部輿情的回應還有收集這部分是畫上一個問號所以我們凍結的經費是針對這個事項而凍結所以請衛福部或者是請其他的人員不要無中生有說我們凍結這筆經費是另有所圖或其他的目的完全是站在為人民的納稅錢把關的立場 |
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18531.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
18544.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
去對衛福部新聞輿情回應還有收集沒有扮演好角色這筆事項去凍結所以請不要無中生有或者是另作他圖的一個造謠以上說明 謝謝所以委員已經簽 委員已經簽名凍結50萬沒有欸 我沒有簽名欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
18555.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
18575.596 |
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我們基本上其實如果按照剛有提到那個得標廠商他的決標案是405萬那如果我們凍結405萬衛福部這邊可以接受嗎衛福部可以接受嗎就會違約啊所以你們要什麼程度才不會違約 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
18579.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
18593.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
我很謝謝這個委員的指教啦我們會來檢討但是是不是可以不要凍結那麼多就按照剛剛我們業務單位希望這個報告跟檢討我一定會落實來做是不是凍結50萬這樣沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
18594.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
18608.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
因為50萬離405萬差距非常大我知道這其實這已經發包出去了但是現在其實就是五六月中旬還有未來還有五六個月其實也都還沒有履行所以在這邊我們覺得50萬能夠讓你們深切檢討嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
18612.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
18628.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
因為對於三班戶賓餅這個是真的我是覺得昨天說我剛其實你們的單位也一而再再而三的來跟我溝通那其實昨天部長還有司長還有署長拿著被我凍結的一些預算案我也是都大開綠燈因為我想到說這個衛福部其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
18631.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
18652.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
還是應該給你們有一些改善的空間彈性調整的空間不能夠大刀就隨便一揮但是為什麼對於這個新聞的收集的回應我會如此的堅持立場就是因為其實三班戶並比5月8號三讀通過本來是護理界跟醫界一個可喜可賀的事情可是呢卻被輿情操作成什麼樣的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
18654.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
18681.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
我們苦心為護理界爭取的三班護病筆其實就是想要維持護理人員合理的人力卻被操作成說是在什麼出賣護理人員的權益是在打包護理人員是在丟包他們是史上最爛的版本這都不是事實那中央主管機關衛福部站在以正視聽的角色應該是要公告並不是網路上亂串的B版本通過而是A版本 |
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18681.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
18706.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
那你們沒有做到這件事情這個輿論到現在還在發燒只是沒有像5月8號到5月12這麼的巔峰其實那個謠言已經出去了有些人信者恨不信者恨不信其實對我們護理界還有對我們在野黨的努力就是造成一個最大的傷害我們可以妥協不用405但是50萬我們也不能接受那就186萬保留送學商OK |
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18710.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
18735.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
真的是已經到第三季了因為今天的預算真的是省的比較慢你們的那個承攬計畫是不是有六個人員那六個人員是不是一個人的五個人員是五個還六個人員一個人的薪水是不是六萬那他們如果監測輿情監測到這種程度就是緩慢的回應跟甚至完全不積極的處理那這樣不用做一些這個人事費用的調整嗎 |
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18738.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
18764.166 |
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跟委員報告一下因為我們這個人力是有5位那因為現在已經就是如果動的話有可能他們的薪資上面會受影響那他們每個人的薪資每個月是差不多4萬塊那跟委員做報告那懇請委員是不是有機會可是你們405除以13個月加年終獎金再除以5個人這樣算下來不是6萬嗎 |
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18765.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
18775.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
那6萬的話就是人事成本嘛那如果人事成本那如果我們用4萬的價值來算的話那可能我們其實已經算好了就是135萬就是如果用4萬塊來計算的話因為你們就是用6萬塊來請一個輿情人員來做回應但是他所呈現出來的效果 |
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18786.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
18796.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
並沒有達到我們的期待所以呢這個6萬塊我們最後覺得就是以4萬塊的一個價值來估算所以就是135萬 |
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18805.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
18829.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
因為那個跟委員報告真的他們現在是第三劑而且已經每個月我們擔心的是到時候沒有錢好部長已經講100了我100可以接受好那希望衛福部能夠記取這次的教訓然後以後對於這些政府的衛生政策正確的資訊能夠加以推廣錯誤的資訊能夠加以澄清那我覺得三班戶併筆如果可以的話 |
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18830.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
18853.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
也亡羊補牢幫我們做一個正確的澄清否則真的會抹殺在野黨聯手讓三幫互併比通過的一個美意跟付出100萬可以嗎那我們會來做改進那是不是跟委員報告一下那個後面的文字修正我們等一下再修正之後再給委員這邊看是我們有一個關鍵性的文字等一下再請我的助理來跟這個規劃師來做處理但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
18858.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
18885.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
我要特別強調我所凍結的是針對新聞輿情的回應跟收集過於效果彰顯不出來這部分那請不要造謠成說是影響到什麼費用影響到什麼A費用 B費用 C費用全都不是我凍結的是新聞輿情的收集還有回應的速度過於緩慢這件事以上說明 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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18888.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
18910.604 |
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186萬給凍結100萬元書名文字代救援審核簽名後再公告現在進行補宣告第190案190案簡列100萬元並照行政機關宣讀文字通過現在進行 |
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18912.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
18925.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
第194案主席 對不起你剛剛補宣告因為剛剛比較晚到我這邊有幾個案已經有跟行政單位都有去溝通過了我是簡單講這起案都是依照跟他們協調的這個結果14案 20案 26案然後35案 39案 |
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18941.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
18968.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
四十八案還有六十九案還有七十九十就這些就剛剛有跟行政大會之前就已經溝通了啦因為剛剛比較晚來所以都依照等一下再把這個資料再提給你到時候結束完之後再宣讀一次這樣好不好好 謝謝主席 謝謝現在進行第194案 |
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18973.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
18981.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
194案的話是劉建國委員提案原權數凍結那是不是本部可以建請劉委員改凍結1000萬跟192萬 |
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18988.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
19008.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
文字修正的內容是要求衛福部於兩個月內向立法院和社會福利及衛生環境委員會提出書面報告具體說明計畫執行方式,經同意過後時得動之好,請留言好,謝謝主席,就照剛剛宣讀這樣,謝謝同意通過好,謝謝委員 |
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19014.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
19022.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
他是 決議碼是凍結凍結凍結一千萬因為剛才太小聲了沒有聽到192案凍結一千萬並照行政機關宣讀文字通過並192案並 沒關係 那個並要最後處理 |
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19037.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
19052.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
現在進行第196案196案也是請那個陳靜溫委員關於無人機的部分再給你們指教我這邊先解說一下因為這是一筆很大的預算那 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
19053.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
19071.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
在網路上其實很多無人機的專家我們現在來看業界最高規格的大家可以查到的一台可能不到60萬可是衛福部這個耗資6000萬購買50台無人機計算起來的話一台是120萬 |
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19073.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
19091.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
至於你們給的預算書裡面相關的規格、硬體、軟體甚至連是哪一家公司製造的等級都沒有給予充分的資訊我們去查了一下世界各國現在在做無人機尤其是醫療相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
19092.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
19107.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
目前有盧安達加納萬納度等等相關的案例但是多數於停留在事半階段所以我們對於你們採購無人機的這個價格我們覺得需要再進一步的知道更多細節那再來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
19109.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
19130.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
你為什麼不一次買一點點測試完之後你再續買而是一口氣就要買到這麼的多那剛講到一些國家他可能是在試辦而且又集中在特定的航線特定的場域還有特定的品項並還沒有成為一般醫療物流的主流的模式 |
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19131.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
19154.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
那比起來台灣其實大家在新聞上也很常看到我們有很多地方其實是不能去飛無人機的也有很多玩家不小心就會觸發目前台灣的實際環境來看無人機的作業啊半徑續航力載重限制還有通訊穩定性能是不是可以滿足你一口氣買這麼多的相關的需求 |
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19154.977 |
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19168.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
還有你這個操作人員的培訓 任務派遣流程 飛航管理 飛安 維修保養 注意事項 相關的法規配套等等我們也都沒有看到 問服務回應的內容 |
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19170.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
19189.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
裡面說多項制度指引的建立包括無人機送藥作業指引無人機緊急救援指南跨院檢體運送指南等等這些我們是查不到相關的資料但只有你們說還在逐步建立當中所以我認為這一案就是按照 |
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19190.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
19205.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
我原本提出的我們先凍結50%然後我相信非常多的委員都很想要針對你這個案子了解細節那我們可以請衛福部到衛環委員會做專案報告以後我們再行解凍 |
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19208.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
19234.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
好 那就謝謝委員指教首先先簡單的說明那個資本門的部分是還包含所謂的指揮管理的資訊系統就它從申請到跨單位的準和以及到全程的追蹤那我們都會有一個資訊系統所以它這個是內含這個系統那第二個就是之所以單價比較貴的部分就是在目前航管局它需要就是 |
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19235.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
19249.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
無人機飛行的時候不能超過400英尺高所以我們如果要送到偏鄉的時候它通常是在山谷裡面所以就要高高低低的飛所以這個需要一個特殊的規格叫做VTOL那VTOL這個東西就不是傳統的Drone |
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19251.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
19275.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
那目前我們國內經過巡訪之後呢還沒有人能夠做這些東西所以他要進口所以會變得比較貴一點就是要符合這個飛航的法規那其他就是大概三個指南的部分在部長的指導之下我們內部都已經呈核了那就是會擇期趕快近日來跟外界來說明公告以上先補充說明 |
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19277.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
19305.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
那我們就按照原案是不是可以凍結一千萬因為這個規格不一樣跟委員說明因為我們這個是第一目標是第一階段是鎖定偏鄉送藥那個規格要比較高其實剛剛官員他都已經說他現在還沒有辦法對外說明他說擇期還要再另外說明所以我覺得我們之後可以為緩緩委員會的協助來排好不好請他們來做專案說明主席認為如何OK |
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19310.238 |
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19327.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
動節動節少一點報告沒有問題動節金額少一點動節50%如果沒有辦法達成協議就保留送協商沒關係我們就先協商因為這個應該不只是未還委員會的委員其實都會都會想要知道細節的好 謝謝696 保留送協商先進行第203案 |
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19337.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
19363.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
203案謝謝劉委員他的提案委員我們之前是有跟委辦有討論過那就是說在這個後面就是動100萬同意併200案那就是兩個月內向我們衛環委會提書面報告那剛剛有在跟委員劉委員在提就是在他的文字上面要再做一個修正 |
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19364.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
19378.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
在這個第二段的最後面說提出具體方案並承諾不會關床那我跟他說明其實我們布醫師大小不一樣那地域就是有一些差距所以每個醫院的狀況不一樣像台東花蓮 |
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19379.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
19407.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
澎湖鋪子其實它的占床率都不高因為那邊其實資源不足再來就是人口數也不多所以這部分其實是占床率本來就不高都低於50%以下他就說那就可以修改成說以不關床為我們的目標簽名了嗎對待會我們再請他來簽以上報告因為他剛離開我剛有到外面跟他說明報告那因為還沒有看到簽名的部分就先保留謝謝 |
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19411.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
19421.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
253、255都是劉建國委員的253案 |
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19435.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
19460.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
253案委員已簽名稍後送主席台就是說委員同意改凍結在防疫業務愛滋防治計劃200萬元於兩個月內提書面報告並與258 259併案以第253案為主案已簽名 稍後就送到主席台所以剛才203案也簽了嗎 |
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19464.201 |
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19469.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
遭遇報告就是我跟他有簽但是剛剛就是他先離開那我在那個外面跟他說明 |