| IVOD_ID |
17527 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17527 |
| 日期 |
2026-06-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-06-17T08:37:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-06-17T12:15:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:37:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd3fd5dd85fa12b49250ab58ea719398bb6dbd1a1f1ae50216cdd0b2a2f1f9171d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-06-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司預算凍結案計6案。
二、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國家運輸安全調查委員會單位預算。
三、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部民用航空局單位預算。
四、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金－民航事業作業基金分預算。
五、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管桃園國際機場股份有限公司營業預算。
六、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
七、繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算。
【一、本日會議進行處理；二、變更數位發展部、資通安全署及數位產業署預算提案截止收件時間為6月17日下午4時】
【6月17日及18日二天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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08:37:33 - 12:15:00 |
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好 初期委員已足法定人數我們現在開會請議事委員宣讀上次會議事錄及附議的提案 |
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立法院第十一屆第五會期交通委員會第十八次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年六月十日星期三上午九時八分至時時二十九分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室出席委員洪孟凱等十四人 列席委員林倩琦等三人列席官員交通部部長陳士凱等主席林昭吉委員俊憲 |
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報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項一二繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管國道公路建設管理基金觀光發展基金決議一本日預算審查結果照協商結論通過二本日通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員調整三第一案及第二案均審查完畢內容如審查結果 |
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附屬單位預算非營業部分依國道公務建設管理基金依業務計畫一一審查結果隨同調整二業務收支業務總收入改列為361億7585萬元業務總支出照列本期剩餘改列為 |
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一百六十三億兩千三百四十億萬六千元三節繳供庫金額四轉投資計畫均無劣數五固定資產建設改良擴充六國道增波基金額均照列七通過決議十八項 |
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二觀光發展基金一業務計畫因應審查結果隨同調整二業務收支業務總收入照列業務總支出改列為106億1654萬6千元本期剩餘改列為7億550萬9千元三截繳公庫金額四轉投資計畫均無劣數五固定資產建設改良擴充照列六國庫增波基金額無劣數七補辦預算照列 |
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八本項提案二案保留送院會處理 九通過決議十六項散會 |
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附議提案委員林俊憲等5人針對第11屆第5會期交通委員會第18次全體委員會議繼續審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管活動公務建設管理接近預算通過之決議第14項提出附議將原決議修正內容如下第一段未修正第二段據中已成重要課題後修正為 |
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主管機關除應持續檢討支出結構外也應積極盤點既有資產的運用效益例如國道服務區收益等收入來源在不增加民眾負擔的前提下提升基金自償能力同時也應檢討重大興建工程與例行養護 |
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設備更新等支出強化基金整體運作韌性第三段刪除第四段修正為原此要求高速公路局全面檢討國道基金中長期財務結構與永續性在不調漲通行費不加重民眾直接負擔的前提下把基金流動性與利息壓力穩定且制度化於三個月內向立法院交通委員會提出完整書面評估報告宣讀完畢 |
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好請問各位委員對於剛才宣讀的復議案對伊斯魯有沒有意見伊斯魯沒有意見那對復議案有沒有意見復議案有意見嗎也沒有好都沒有意見那麼現在在場現在介紹在場委員復議案通過我們現在介紹在場委員洪孟楷委員陳青龍委員 |
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邱若驊委員林俊憲召委徐富奎委員我們現在介紹在場的列席人員我們先介紹國家運輸安全調查委員會主任秘書林信德主委姚承安主祕林佩達執行長 |
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再次國營台灣鐵路股份公司鄭光源董事長馮輝昇總經理在行政院主帝總處公務預算處邱碧珠專委李政道科長我們現在處理報告事項二有關114年度交通部主管台鐵公司預算解凍案紀六案請議事人員宣讀 |
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交通部函1-6 減送國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司1 決議1 服務費用預算凍結十分之一案2 決議2 勞工健檢費等預算凍結十分之一案3 決議3 營業成本預算凍結一億元案4 決議4 營業費用預算凍結五千萬元案5 決議5 固定資產建設改良擴充預算凍結十分之一案6 新增決議1 用人費用向下獎金津貼預算凍結六百萬元案 宣讀完畢 |
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好我們做一下決定報告事項預算解凍案114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算案決議個案書面報告已送達均予以被查提報院會我們現在進行討論事項115年度運安會交通部民航局單位預算民航事業作業基金非營業預算及淘擠公司中華郵政公司台鐵公司的營業預算的處理我們先進行協商 |
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同時我們請議事人員宣讀預算數及委員提案 |
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好 那我們現在就直接進行這個運安會115年度單位預算的這個定案預算表的協商先從第一案動機案開始看 稅出的部分這個運輸事故調查運輸系統安全分析跟控制鑑定的這個稅出各位有沒有意見我想沒有 那我們直接看第二到五案喔第二案B案處理 |
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1986.49 |
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我們是建議這個凍結五趴然後提示備報告第二款新的運輸管提示六項無限運輸安全交通委員會兩億三千九百塊有話講嗎同意改書面 可是還是凍結五趴就是在院會說明之後能實施的動作好 謝謝 |
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1993.093 |
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這個稅出通案是針對派員出國的計劃 |
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提案委員這邊有沒有什麼意見?好 陳慶紅 趙偉謝謝趙偉我們這個攀緣出國計畫那經過這個了解了那個原來三千的部分一百萬的部分 |
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我同意就不好意思啦今天的聲音喔真的出不來我同意不刪減然後可以凍結提書面報告好預算就不刪減就是上次跟你報告5%書面報告就是5%提書面報告謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝主委 其他委員補充意見嗎沒有 因為很順利 這樣就是好啦 我們就尊重大家啦我們整個我們整個凍結就凍結一樣 凍結5%都凍結5% 我們2到5萬 |
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我們凍結百分之五然後一個月內提出訴訟報告時的凍結接下來議員會的六到九案凍結案的部分各位委員有沒有補充意見因為這個我的部分議員會都有說明過啦我覺得這邊就不提特別的意見了現在其他委員有沒有意見 |
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第六跟第七我們今天也是改為組決議然後提出報告 |
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那我們六案跟七案改組決議那八案跟九案有沒有什麼那時候我們 |
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主席上次跟你報告說也同意就撤案好 那就撤案撤案嘛 對不對對 給我撤案那第九也是主決議加速報告六案 七案 九案改主決議 第八案撤案是謝謝主席 |
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我們接下來看第十案到第十八案運輸事故調查這一幕來 徐副委員謝謝主席我提出第十一跟十二案那有鑑於 十一案是有鑑於這個去年六月 |
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台北市發生大都會客運的一個電動公車火潮車事件那院會到目前為止還沒有完成這個案子的一個調查我想電動車的安全風險被認為是應該比我們的燃油車還低安全性比較高 |
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那到底這樣的一個安全的一個風險因為應該提出相關的一個研究讓我們所有的這個國人能夠安心那所以這個案子我提出先凍結10%提出書面報告使得凍結那12案的部分那有鑑於運安會的調查事件在114年結案的27件平均完成的天數是高達 |
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432天那尤其114年發布了建議改善建議的80項裡面至今解除列管35項解除列管率只有43.8%那從這個調查到 |
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解除列管都要花了好幾年的時間我想這對於交通安全的改善反不及急因為應該要強化這樣的一個調查時程的一個精進那所以讓我提出凍結10%提出書面報告時的動之 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐副委員 其他委員有沒有要說明好 孟凱委員我附議徐副委員剛剛的講法因為其實那個電動巴士的這一個部分我們之前也在質詢的時候有表達關心跟我們也希望越南會能夠趕快來給我們國人一個比較明確的一個了解啦那最主要 |
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現在2030如果說照我們意向沒有錯的話2030交通部的政策也好公路局的政策也好都是希望能夠市區公車全面改成電動化那也因此電動化這是一個必然的趨勢也是大家世界各國現在在推動的那既然如此我們就不希望存在讓民眾對於電動巴士會有疑慮的部分也因此就是說到目前到底那個所謂的 |
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電動巴士這個自然也好還是說外力因素還是保養不當還是有什麼樣的狀況導致於那個意外事件發生那我想還是必須要由運動會這邊也要給我們國人一個比較明確的一個了解所以在督促以督促的角度這邊希望這個調查報告能夠趕快出來讓國人能夠放心 |
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如果說是單一個案不影響整體的一個狀況我覺得一般民眾搭乘電動運輸巴士的時候也可以更加放心以上 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝主席我提的是第15案這案預算是運輸事故的調查這邊提的是凍結5%主要是原因我們對英安會跟國人一樣期待是非常高的對於重大的或者平凡的交通事故我們希望透過英安會的調查但調查畢竟是一些文字希望能夠最終具體 |
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這個落實在改善的一個事實上面來未來減少對我們國民生命的這個傷害那我這邊舉的例子是國道1號陽梅休息站這個為例那現在到目前為止三年已經超過15起車禍事故其中有11起涉及撞擊分隔島現在雖然做了部分的一個改善事實上在這個前些日子還是有持續發生 |
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所以我們在想說醫院會的一個調查結果也正式完成所有手續了那到底怎麼樣能夠落實在高工局或者相關的一個單位甚至車輛上面我們希望能夠有進一步的一個具體的結果以上說明 |
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好 謝謝盧文哲委員那我們現在先請議員會署名剛剛修葛議員提的大都會的電動車這個案子這個案子我們在8月份會完成報告電動車整個事務調查目前是立委議員會的重點事項謝謝委員的關心剛剛盧委員提到的我們也是 |
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同樣把他納入整個專案裡面去做是不是讓我們提順便報告然後我們私下再跟盧委員辦公室再做一個專案的研討 |
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那我這樣吧大家都表達意見,那你都去說明吧,我想會跟大家說明,那我們整幕啦就是第二幕運輸事故調查包含我這幾個提案,因為總共是1424萬3千元 |
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整目是這樣子 那我們總共大家都有提案 那我們就動一百萬不到百分之十 一百萬提書跟報告 好不好是 好 謝謝謝謝主席 也是一個月可以嗎一個月可以喔我們提書可以報告嗎好 謝謝 |
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好我們現在處於第19案到第25案運輸系統安全分析跟工程鑑定我們請各位委員要不要補充意見徐副委員謝謝主席我提出第19案運安會在108年8月1號改制成立之後那依法要規劃建置運輸安全的一個自願報告的一個系統那目前看起來是對於水路跟公路安全的部分自願報告的件數相對比較少 |
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那院會有表示這兩個部分都有相關的一個因素但是我認為我們也應該要要求院會應該要強化這樣的一個運輸安全報告的一個績效預防這個雲安事故的一個發生所以我提案凍結運輸系統安全分析與工程鑑定的預算數10%一個月內提出書面報告時的凍值 謝謝好 謝謝徐國輝委員其他委員有沒有補充 |
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好 都沒有 那我們請運航會回應一下報告主席 我們那個資源報告系統在公路部分 我們現在到美國公路主管機關他們開了任何的相關會議的時候我們都會到場參加他們的研討會或什麼會宣導他們能夠連結到我們的資源報告系統的網站上那麼至於水路的資源報告系統我們也還在努力 因為因為很多船員 很多水路事故的這些 譬如說漁船 |
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他們一般都比較不會在國內在國外他們也不太喜歡用寫字的所以我們也在努力跟漁業署或相關的這個所謂主管機關跟他們希望他能夠能夠就是他們知道說有什麼有什麼潛在的危險因素的時候他們能夠自願報告這個我們現在也是一直在努力做謝謝委員的提醒 謝謝我想是這樣因為這個自願報告書過去我們在質詢的時候也提到很多次了那剛剛你主委唯一的意思是說其實很多單位還是他們 |
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那目前為止他們沒有養的這個習慣了那我覺得那等於這個項目等於沒辦法很順暢的進行嘛我就覺得說那不然一樣就我就按照大家委的意見今天大家都有提出動機案我們就動機百分之十按你提一下說看到底要怎麼解決這個問題還是要怎麼去改善這個很多單位不想填寫那不填寫怎麼辦這問題我覺得還是要處理一下啦好不好那我們就要全部都動機百分之十這一幕就動機百分之十提出報告一個月 |
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可以嗎?可以出來喔?好,謝謝,謝謝我們主委接下來我們進入到第四目,26到38案有些是三檢案,有些是共結案,看各位有沒有要補充的意見 |
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感謝主席本集第29案第一個我請運安會我跟你們建議過像美國跟加拿大的運安會他們的事故資料平台 |
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都有提供相關的調查報告安全建議統計分析的關鍵字檢索的功能這樣你過去所累積的調查事故的資料庫才能標準化結構化你還可以公開化你那些資料可以提升它的可利用性這樣學界或者是相關的產業要運用那大家才可以有所參考提升它的方便性可用性 |
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但現在我們運發會的調查事故資料都還是個別報告的形式沒有缺乏資料規模整合、統計分析以及API開放資料的藉機機制所以相關資料就很難進行交叉分析或長期研究我覺得這樣會不利於我們國內運輸安全技術人工智慧現在用AI來做一個風險 |
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那個辨識效率更好了那也影響到我們相關學術研究需要參佐我們資料時候的那種對於資料的接觸的效率所以我本期提議第19項本期提議凍結了提議凍結的時髮請院長三個月提議一個書面報告好 才能凍結 謝謝好 謝謝俊憲 趙偉其他委員好 陳先生委員好 謝謝劉信浩 |
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那我這邊有提出第33案拿進這個報告後我這邊同意這案我這邊同意這案33案那另外37案的部分那個刪減的部分我也同意不刪減 |
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蓋冬天雨帕那宣明報告就可以了好 謝謝欣榮章偉徐副委員謝主席我提出第31案我想這個我在委員會也有特別請這個院會主委要來 |
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強化這樣的一個太空調查儲備小組的人力那其實目前為止看起來我們還是沒有一個專業的一個太空調查官那依國科會目前我們規劃第一顆的台灣自製的第一國衛星預計在明年就會發射那位於屏東的九棚國家發射場最快也會在2031年完工 |
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那守美台灣自製的火箭規劃在2034年就會在屏東升空那所以院院會應該強化國家太空事故調查的一個能量那所以這個案子我提議凍結經濟運輸事故調查能量100萬那也督促我們院院會未來應該強化這個聘用太空專業的一個調查官做未來一個預防太空事故的一個防範一個月內提出書面報告 使得動之 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐副委員 現在請黃邦凱委員好 感謝趙偉我本席提的是第26案我想今天早上我們也見到趙偉有再一個臨時提案他可能是針對我們交通部大部會但是最主要還是核心概念一樣就是到底我們 |
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台灣獨步全球其他國家可能沒有所謂的機車道專用道然後機車汽車分流的一個狀況但是台灣真的這個比較少見那也時代在精進在演變過去可能覺得說我機車專用道保留是保障機車族的權益避免大車的一個追撞大車的一個這個追車可是 |
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時代演進以及說現在機車的這個技術也越來越純熟其實大家也都講就是說其實不應該是用車總分而是應該用車速分慢速車跟快速車那現在各地方政府都已經有有些地方政府也從善如流或說針對現實的狀況把機車道給取消然後變成說汽機車混流道 |
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那但是我們的這個淡江大橋百年建築也是我們台灣人的驕傲但還是保留的所謂的機車專用道那並且在這淡江大橋通車的時候有一個很大的爭議就是到底公路局所提的預留2.5公尺機車道是 |
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整個寬2.5公尺還是標線內2.5公尺我想這又讓大家覺得是說有這個不同的浮動的標準那這些當然都是交通部下面的所屬機關但是運安會本於運輸安全的主管機關我們真的不希望發生事情之後我們才來解決問題 |
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最好是事情都還沒有發生前我們已經提出專業的建議跟專業的這個要求讓交通部能夠了解什麼才是真正能夠降低行車風險的一個具體做法所以說本席特別在這邊提到就是希望針對這個運輸事故的調查的一個部分那來強化這個到底我們現在機車道汽車道我們怎麼樣去規範讓它全國有一致的標準 |
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不要說變成到最後是各縣市做各縣市然後中央部會跟地方政府又做中央部會地方政府的這個規格所以我才提出這樣的一個第26案那凍結的部分我會尊重到最後我們大家一起交通委員會第4幕的一個辦理但我希望是這一個獨立的個案是能夠提供一個完整的報告給我們交通委員會以及交通部門來做一個參考以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝孟愷委員其他委員還有補充意見嗎好 那我們先請議員會回應謝謝主席剛剛胡委員提到淡江大橋引申出機車作用道道路安全結合這個機制現委的關心我們在大概七八月的時候我們現在已經在規劃我們跟議員所交通部 公路局等等我們會開一個委員會 |
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被整個大陸安全的解決機制看看有沒有國內就發展一個規範出來這個徐委員的關心所以是不是建議這個二十六案是不是就凍結十趴讓我們提徐委員報告剛剛徐委員提到有關太空事務調查部分 |
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沒有錯我們現在我們跟人事行政總署也在協調希望能夠增加人力有太空事務調查領域的人才能夠進來那現在因為是礙於組織法相關人數的這個有一個限制不過我們會內 |
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我們會內航空事故調查組的調查官有些是他是有航空太空背景的那我們會內也早就已經成立一個工作小組那會外我們也邀請火箭的發射載具的專家太空載具的專家 |
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有一些譬如說中國科學研究院譬如說國際環境中心他們有一些專家會進來所以我們會外也有一個專家學者的一個小組所以這個案子我們事實上也在進行中也就是說我們會把韓國事務調查這些調查官的這個人力就兼派在太空事務上面來做雖然現在被有太空事務的案子可以調查 |
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可是我們也是真的在積極準備中跟這個黃委員報告啊 區委員報告 對不起那至於剛剛林俊憲你也提到這個網站資料是不是能夠讓人家能夠檢索啊 能夠顯示啊 統計跟ATSP一樣 沒有錯我們上次我去跟委員你不在 我跟我們辦公室主任也聊過那我們希望能夠年底把這個機制把它集齊我們再會這樣去做我們區委員的關心那所以是不是就 |
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可不可以 26號我剛剛也報告過了嘛那麼27案那個崔姊姊委員我們也親自在那邊報告 她說是免動免刪然後改為組決議 然後提書面報告那28號 28案這個我們也跟崔委員報告室報告過是不是能夠改為凍結他家書面報告 |
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那29萬剛剛也提已經報告過那30案呢我們也跟陳俊榮辦公室也提也跟他報告是不是能夠改成組決議然後提出那份報告31剛剛也提過了那麼李鳳子委員這邊我們凍結50萬元然後提出那份報告這個我們就要辦理那陳俊榮、陳委員剛剛的33跟37縣委員的支持那其他的是不是就 |
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三十四、三十五喔,是不是也當時也跟張偉一般接觸報告過,是不是趕快動靜5%提出的報告三十八按我們這個做照辦理,以上報告好,謝謝主委,各位委員沒有意見喔,那我們來處理囉好,同意啦,謝謝,謝謝李委員 |
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好 那我們這一幕27案改組決議33案測案那我們其他各委員提案我們總整個項目我們大概就我們整個項目凍結5%是 謝謝那你趕快提書面包給各委員尤其是剛剛幾個委員特別針對外太空調查也好還是孟凱文提到的這個車道分流等等的還有我這個軍事召委提到的問題都是個別的在會上提出來你們要特別提他們的書面包給他們是 我們都提書面包 |
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好,也是一個月內的體驗 |
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好 那我們接下來處理幾個主決議案喔好 39案 |
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49號我遵照辦理好,42繼續49號我遵照辦理41遵照辦理42,對不起42,我是不是建議改為一個月內提出的報告 |
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來看魯閔哲委員42案他們想要改一個月內向立法院提出的報告好謝謝43案也是一樣就是不是文字改為這個長期列管追蹤改善這一支追蹤參考 |
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路委員同意,那就是文字修正層這個court裡面長期列管改善建議之追蹤管考研擬具體方案向立法院交到委員會提出順便報告是是是,這個我跟這個路委的辦公室主委也報告過了謝謝路委員44案遵照範例45遵照範例46 |
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46是不是建議文字就是把專案報告改成書本報告你們有跟油耗委員有這個就跟報告好可以謝謝4747也是一樣專案報告改為書本報告好 |
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48 也是一樣改為速遞方法好19 遵照辦理好 50 50遵照辦理好 51 |
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51 呃是不是建議修改文字是 對不起因為 因為他這邊也有來溝通那同意修正文字然後並提書面報告那書面報告多久內可以提供也是一個月了一個月好謝謝主席 |
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我宣讀下修改後的文字第二段改成要求遇難會配合行政院人事行政總署原格評鑑作業適度檢討人力評估引進專業家籍和專業基地制度是可行性提訴別報告嗎就這樣是 |
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謝謝謝謝好 51案 OK好 那接下來看5252案那個建議修改文字委三個月內請國家運輸安全調查委員會就運輸安全資源報告系統宣導與報告應用降低瓦岩交通委員會提出書面報告好 |
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同意修正文字好謝謝謝謝委員53建議文字的修正委員請運安會於兩個月內檢視改善建議追蹤機制以網站資訊並向立法院交通委員會提出署名報告 |
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最後也可以嗎謝謝謝謝委員再五十四案五十四案有涉及這個修正文字就請運安會就事務調查資訊發布機制於兩個月內向立法院交通委員會提出書本報告好同意謝謝委員再來最後五十五案 |
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吳蘇範也是建議用修正文字就是原請國家運輸安全調查委員會以一個月內向立法院交通委員會提出書面報告謝謝委員還有一個第五案是不是 |
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還有第五案是改組決議的 對不起這剛宣讀 剛沒有宣讀嘛第五案 邱浩元的提案 改組決議 |
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本來檢列八十萬現在改成請預案會兩個月內向交通委員會提出報告好那我們一百一十五年度預案會的單位預算審查完畢現在先休息五分鐘謝謝謝謝主席 |
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法定人數不足 |
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謝謝大家 |
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這裡啊 |
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謝謝大家 |
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法定人數不足 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好好 |
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市長昨天談那個捷運,有結論嗎?不是我們副理總統去721總共,韓製飯的他韓製飯的 |
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好我们继续开会我们先介绍这一这一趴的我们出席的单位交通部陈世凯部长民航局何淑萍局长交通部快递处黄鸿文处长民航局主级是刘于珍主任 |
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民航局航警局林建宏局長好我們現在開始審查這個115年度交通部民用航空局單位預算 |
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我們先看這個第一案跟第二案並按族裔稅租的部分提案委員看有沒有意見他們說之前有溝通改組決議嘛 |
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現在主席提出的是第一案那我這邊改為主決議第二案是我的 也改組決議那我們這一幕就都改組決議 |
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我們再進入3到17案這個空運管理業務的部分項目比較多看各位委員有要補充意見請徐副委員謝謝謝謝主席我提出第10案跟第11案 |
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有鑑於恆春五里艇機場自2014年民航定期航班停飛之後到目前已經超過10年沒有正常的一個民航的營運那機場的功能是長期低度的使用那也感謝民航局配合屏東縣政府我想近期推動包含輕航機、無人機還有一些飛行體驗的一些運用但是這個還是屬於一個短期的性質缺乏一個中長期的發展方向 |
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那未來既然還是要維持恆春機場作為南台灣觀光跟區域交通節點的一個功能我想我們還是要求民航局應該針對未來這個跑道的整建測風跑道的可行性甚至相關的一些航線拓展的部分要提出中長期的一個規劃 |
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那未來要結合一個觀光離島國際包機的一個需求所以我提案凍結空中運輸關於業務的預算1%那請民運局盡快提出這個短中長期的一個宿命報告使得凍結 |
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那實際案有鑒於交通部近年推動境外包機的一個來台政策那訂定有相關的講注要點跟所謂的一個獎勵的一個措施那很遺憾到目前為止我針對恆春機場的部分還是處於一個停滯的一個狀況 |
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那屏東縣政府之前也針對菲律賓也好相關的一些觀光業的部分都有提出相關的一個需求那我想恆春半島過去是我們台灣很重要的一個觀光地帶也擁有很重要的觀光資源未來 |
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恆春武力艇機場的發展絕對是有觀光的發展的可行性跟必要性那所以這個案子我一樣提案凍結空運管理業務的一部分請民安局針對屏東縣這個國際包機的一個業務開發的發展的部分提出書面報告使得動之 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐副委員當然其他委員有沒有補充來 黃孟愷委員 謝謝好 感謝召委本席提的第八案先講計畫趕不上變化在我們審查的時候大家都講說中東形勢不知道會拖多久美國這個打下去沒想到上禮拜突然流案發明川普總統又講說跟伊朗也都談得差不多了然後趕快簽和平協議之後這個海峽可以開放那油應該就可以虛緩了也因此本席提的第八案 |
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本來是希望是說要求民航局這邊或說我們的這個相關單位應該要重視說這個我們的燃油的問題以及說是不是避免如果說持續的油價的話那其他國籍的航空來到我們台灣總不能說我們別人限制我們去那邊加油然後我們沒有完全開放可是既然已經這個海峽要開放了那我覺得我另外今天也提出來 |
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因為過去這段時間因應中東情勢所以說各航空公司也都有增加相關的費用燃油費用服務費用或是等等的我們都看到了甚至這個機票的費用也都調漲了那也督促今天這個案子我先還是一樣保留但是我尊重等一下第二幕的一個總凍結的一個數目可是呢我這個案子希望能夠要求民航局 |
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趕快也找相關的機場公司航空公司業者來開會討論那既然油價已經會趨緩了這個是一個一個趨勢那什麼時候你的燃油費用可以調整回來回復正常你總不能我要求我相信我們所有委員應該都一致就是說你總不能讓他有一個名目調漲上去之後從此那個價格就定在那邊然後不回來了 |
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因為這個是中東形勢所以說短期油價上升讓他的費用調漲但既然現在我們有趨緩而且戰爭業已經結束的狀況那趕快找航空公司他是不是能夠在一個月兩個月內他們的成本也趨緩之後他的這個費用就要調整回原本的狀況我想這是我們提出來這個案子的一個方向那也請美航局這邊來做一個辦理 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝孟凱 孟凱委員 你剛剛 你要改組決議嗎你第二幕還是一樣嘛 到最後你可能會一起處理嘛那我就是尊重就一起處理 但是就是說這一案先保留但是這個方向是調整為 這樣方向請民航局這邊來做一個辦理好 沒問題 |
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好 我改組決議第八案我改組決議但是就是說往這個方向來辦理 好不好要求我們行局這邊我相信這應該會是我們所有委員大家因為為民眾來發聲嘛這個是實際啊 謝謝好 謝謝孟凱其他委員要補充嗎好 都沒有喔那我來處理囉好 我們第二幕的部分喔這個第八案改組決議 |
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那其餘部分呢因為各委員都有提相關的凍結那我想這個數字我們中整一下我們第八個第二幕空運管理業務整體來講我們凍百分之五好不好凍百分之五那一樣提一個月內提書面報告使得凍結好謝謝對不起對請何主席再回應一下 |
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那個謝謝主席還有謝謝委員剛剛那個徐委員有提到的這個恆春機場的部分的一個中長期的活化還有包含國際包機的部分我想不管過去幾年來是怎麼樣的情形那我想這個一定是我們交通部跟民航局很重要的業務那我也要感謝這個委員跟這個地方政府的共同合作我們現在也目前在 |
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積極恰早業者可以就這個部分讓他的空中航線的部分來做一個一個發展那我們這個部分會來積極推動那另外那個洪委員剛剛提到的燃油附加費的部分我補充說明一下我們原本在這個中東這個戰爭之前 |
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4340.155 |
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我們的燃油附加費其實我們有國際線跟國內線都有一個調整的機制那國際線當初在調整之前是以當時的油價來計算的話短程線是17塊5元長程線是45.5那後來因為油價上升以後我們就調到短程線是45有一個調整的機制表 |
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然後6月1號因為油價下跌所以短程線它就調到37.5然後長程線就從原本的117調到91所以基本上如果油價再往下跌我們就會每個月像這個6月1號7月1號都會一直逐步的來調動所以它是每個月的滾動檢討對 每個月的滾動檢討那這個部分我們再提供書面不管剛剛各位委員有提到的我們都會用書面的部分再來回覆 |
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好那我就拜託民航局這邊就是要督促航空業者要確實落實每個月滾動檢討那適時反映到票這個航空票價上以上謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝我們何局長那這案就是第二幕總共就動輸百分之五那第八案改組決議期約百分之五那接下來進入第三幕一般那個文字上是不是提供書面然後經同意的部分就刪除對啊對都是一個月內提出報告對沒錯剛剛宣讀過了 |
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好 第三步 一般建築及設備民教局要先說明嗎 |
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就是有關這個陳委員有提到交通及運輸設備的部分主要是針對無人機的運用就是認為民航局在這邊有購買一個無價的無人機那這個部分是不是可以有我們是主要用途是在一些我們考場的這個測試訓練包含機場的反制 |
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民航局本身也會去申請法人用合格的人來做操作那因為這個是一開始的機制所以我們目前來講先購置無價因為也要考慮相對應的人力那因為這一幕裡面總共是243萬那裡面主要的是還有汰換車輛那這部分就是看看委員等一下的意見我們希望是不是因為現在已經是6月了 |
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那只剩半年這個部分是不是可以不要來凍結這樣那另外那個黃就是昭偉這邊提的也是一樣就是這個也是一樣同一個就是買無價無人機50萬的這個部分那是不是這個部分可以 |
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因為其實真的已經六月了我們也要買車輛那是不是可以免凍結這樣請委員支持這樣兩位委員支持補充謝謝主席當然我們這個第三步在討論主要是硬體的部分一般建設一般建築與設備要買無人機的問題 |
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這個部分我想借這個機會來說明一下待會就要審到中華郵政的預算我們在質詢的時候中華郵政在偏鄉投地那部長那天也在吧弄很久然後現在實驗了每年編預算實驗了實驗半天就是在等民航局的相關的法規那我在這裡特別說真的今天已經考試有很多很多合格的飛手但事實上沒有 |
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這麼多合法的生意來讓這些飛手持續的練習跟有那個商業模式形成所以像這樣的這個透過無人機的一個投遞透過無人機的一個外送物流甚至醫療很多的部分都還在沙盒計畫我真的是覺得因為就世界來看很多的一個相關的國家區塊都走得比較快我們是希望民航局 |
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能夠配合尤其政府相關的一些計畫當然無人機在你們安全它有它的一個航道它有它的一個高度如何進行這個部分我是覺得希望在法規面能夠跟上以上 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝你們這位的補充,其實我這個提案那時候也講了,就是其實針對民航法第99條43的相關規定,到底就是我們現在無人機有相關的法規範,那還要說到底機場,因為你這是買給機場使用的嘛,那機場怎麼飛,能不能飛,握手機你可以飛,別人不能飛等等的,這可能還是要繼續的說明了,好不好。 |
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那這樣這個我想這是硬體要採購的那就是實際上採購的話我們就改組決議改組決議但是你們還是要說明用途跟這個剛剛提到的法規的適用性的問題好 局長謝謝謝謝召委還有謝謝委員我簡單回應一下剛剛講到中華郵政的案子其實當初在110年他第一次事辦那過去的政策通常來講會說有委外 |
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政府機關盡量民間能做去做那可是我想這個無人機的發展很快速所以各個機關也有使用無人機去幫助他的業務的需求所以中華郵政的部分其實他做了航道他自己投遞他的郵件依據他的法規他是可以做只要他符合法人 |
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那我們所謂的這個航道的部分就是要測試這個無人機在這個區域的穩定性因為它可能下雨或颱風這個機子的穩定性是不是足夠因為畢竟它是一個在空飛行那不要影響到地面的安全那航道劃設就代表這個是它的固定路線 |
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所以我們目前來講已經有24個航道不限於郵政公司的那雖然是以沙盒畢竟它發展很快可是我們的空域有限我們的空域除了民用機場的起降航道之外其實還有很多是跟軍方要協調那不過這部分委員講的在法規面 |
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我們會空域的使用部分我們會再來調整那剛剛講到就是說各單位的好像民航局可以用其他單位不行其實不是我們民航局其實是這一次我們特別來買那各單位都可以用唯一一個條件就是要提出法人申請為什麼因為你要具備這個資格而且你要做的業務是要投地還是夜間還是白天每個單位都可以提出來那提出來包含民航局也一樣那你如果是在紅區 |
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因為紅區就會影響到關鍵基礎設施所以這部分為什麼要有一定的申請作業程序那至於未來是不是說全面開放那這個也是跟我們地窄人仇如果你在市區那有很多無人機在飛你如何要避免跟建築物的接觸等等所以才會有所謂的法人申請還有合格的操作人 |
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那我想這個都是安全的一個基本要求其他國家也一樣那只是在空域的釋出部分畢竟我們不像美國或者是有一些國家這個空域比較大陸地比較大那像日本其實相對來講我們還是真的空域是很擁擠那這個跟空域的運用也要跟國防部很多的協調可是所有的法人基本上我們現在也是把一些法規譬如說我們的申請我們是一次申請三個月 |
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三個月內任何時段你都可以報退報離所以不會在法規上說你要飛一次就來申請一次不會我們基本上那如果你是在綠區符合相關規定我們系統也做一個簡化確可你是符合的操作人符合的操作的機制其實系統會很簡快的去做相關的核准動作 |
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所以在有一些部分我們再用書面提供給委員把我們的監理制度跟相關的空域管理再給委員了解那物流的部分剛剛委員有講是沙盒那主要就是說要讓它穩定然後那個空域我們就會釋放出來那也希望很多的業者盡量提出所謂的航道或者是事辦的空域以上補充說明 |
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好謝謝局長那個許志堅委員好謝謝主席我想民航局剛剛也解釋很多啦那事實上民航局的業務我一直也都很關心那也要拜託大家啦就盡量那個讓民航局可以順利一點好謝謝好魯明哲委員 |
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我再補充一下,因為五台無人機編了243萬,50萬嗎?那243萬是整個預算嗎?所以一台是差不多10萬,是不是?一台差不多10萬,那是要買國內品牌嗎? |
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是買國產的對不對 國產的品牌嘛那我們優先照顧國產的無人機 謝謝剛剛那個改組決議的話 是不是如果可以改的話 是不是書面報告對啊 組決議一樣都改書面報告 |
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好那我們第三步就是改成主決議那一個月內順便報告順便報告沒有一個月內問題順便報告好那接下來我們處理這個本來的主決議案從二十案開始 |
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有關二十案這個提案主要就是說我們建議刪除部分文字因為這個 |
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這一架德威的飛機是屬於韓國註冊在韓國依據這個國際規定的話基本上就是註冊國來做相關的調查所以我們建議文智做一個修正就是第三段的 |
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最後倒數第二行就民航局時有責任商請外交部這幾個字時有責任應商請外交部修正為應就是民航局應積極向韓國溝通那最後一段就是要求民航局應協調外交部到逗號這個協調外交部逗號這個部分刪除那就是要求民航局應積極聯絡 |
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韓國的民航單位針對這個案件來調查那個跟委員溝通過嗎?有跟委員辦公室溝通過就照你們的文字糾正再來21案這個遵照辦理 |
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二十二案遵照辦理二十三案遵照辦理二十四案我這邊提出二十四案就是在下面一段文字要求民用航空一於三個月內刪去就是會同勞動部針對國內各航空公司之空服及地勤人員健康管理機制進行全面專案的稽查並公開查核結果 |
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我這邊同意文字修正 以上謝謝好 謝謝邱若豪議員 銀行局好在第25案我同意這邊就是具體的改善計畫這邊提出書面計畫書那這邊一樣是六個月可以改三個月嗎 局長可以喔六個月原先是六個月 這邊希望改三個月 |
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可以嗎?可以,就是謝協委我們遵照辦理,OK好,謝謝局長二十五,二十三同意,二十六好,確定的話說同意改書面遵照辦理,謝協委員再次二十七 |
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這個我們遵照辦理28遵照辦理29遵照辦理30 |
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這個部分我們是不是可以建議文字修正好就是那個就是因為這個服役的指引那個是由勞動部他已經有訂定了所以我們建議把最後倒數第二行的逗號以後的並嚴定什麼服役指引的這一句話把它刪除這樣子 |
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好同意好33可以謝謝委員31案31案遵照辦理32遵照辦理33遵照辦理34遵照辦理35遵照辦理 |
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36成為人要說明嗎?要補充嗎?因為你這邊有一個最後文字修正是每三個月 |
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我們建議改個三個月內吧好 謝謝委員我們就改三個月內好 謝謝委員通過 所有人通過37建議改書面這個有跟委員辦公室溝通過好 |
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修正通過也有跟委員辦公室溝通過就改書面報告好修正通過再來這個我們遵照辦理39好接下來40遵照辦理41林俊炫委員的部分我們就遵照辦理 |
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好42那遵照辦理43遵照辦理44遵照辦理好我們在這個民航局單位預算部分審查完完畢接下來就繼續喔一樣都是民航局的民航基金 |
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我們繼續審查115年度總預算案的民航失業注意基金的部分我們第一案是業務收入增列增列1%提案人是國委員要補充嗎 |
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謝謝主席我提的第一案沒有刪除預算是鼓勵他們增加稅務的一個部分尤其是整個民航局民航作業基金的部分因為主要針對我們尤其民航局所 |
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管的機場因為桃園機場不是你們管的主要你們營收的一個來源主要還是松山跟高雄兩個機場那其餘的國內機場大部分都是虧損的一個狀態但是因為這些基金針對我們機場的營運管理航線維持空運產業發展尤其基礎建設的投資是非常非常重要的 |
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我們也希望在現在不管是國際、國內整個的航空市場回溫的時機希望民航局能夠確實來盤點經濟檢討我們機場設施的使用、場戰空間的利用商業服務管理以及地方資產的活化 |
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多元收益的模式能夠提出一個報告來研究一下希望能夠增加我們民航基金的收入部分所以我們這邊提案增列1%大概增列1.6億以上說明好 謝謝盧委員 |
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那這個部分確實陳同剛剛委員所說的就是我們其他機場其實我們飛航服務總台還有高雄松山台中我們也都非常積極的有盈餘那其他比較屬於公共服務性的我們也在積極檢討相關的一些收費但是還是不能影響國內線的一個公共運輸的影響那我們有一些這個千分之一我們 |
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就來遵照辦理我們配合辦理提供書面再把收入的部分來經濟收入再增加可以吧增加MHC一段錢好再來遵照辦理好那這樣就通過 |
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再來進入到二到十六案 業務成本跟費用提案委員非常多 看各位有沒有要補充意見 徐副委員謝謝主席 我提第二案有鑒於去年上半年發生了九起非案相關的事故其中七件是一個機械故障造成那另外中華航空發動機的失效降轉還有新宇航空一個人為操作的事件各一件那顯見這個機械可靠度跟 |
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操作的一個流程是非安安全的主要的一個風險來源那民調局應該要宣示這個零失事為最高的一個標準落實這個三級管理的一個安全的一個體系那強化監理通報跟應變的能力那我想這個案子我們經過溝通我提案凍結業務成本與費用一千萬那也請民調局能夠強化這個高韌性跟全方位的一個非安的一個治理體系我想這也是國人的一個期待 |
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好 那請民政局提出一個月內提出書面報告 使得解凍謝謝好 謝謝 接下來是李昆哲委員好 謝謝昭偉我的是第三案 這是有關於115年度的水電費那總共編列了4億1000萬左右那比114年度的預算 它是增加了6420萬元 |
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那比113年度的決算它增加了5,505萬元那考量因應國境開放跟電價的一個調整水電支出是有增加的需要但是民航局應該還是要力求節約能源智慧用電而且要提出具體的做法然後我同意改成決議案 |
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民進黨局在一個月內就如何節約能源推動智慧用電提出改善的宣布報告好 以上好 謝謝潘哲銘我們請林俊憲召委謝謝 本期題第八案第八案第一個 |
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這筆的專業服務費其實最大筆支出是電腦軟體的服務費佔比快要到三成 有1億728萬我們2019年 松山機場就開始試辦那個1ID的智慧通關系統 |
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然後到今年的4月正式啟用讓旅客在松山機場報到行李圖印通關和登機你都不需要拿護照也登機證都不用因為我們常常看到很多旅客我們自己出國的經驗經常性的檢查我們都要從行李裡面拿護照登機證那如果你拿在手上又怕掉了那現在松山機場的這套智慧系統只需要人臉的辨識可以加速所有的流程 |
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那現在只有松山機場在採用那其餘的機場呢我們後面的計畫是怎麼樣是不是應該要持續的來推廣嘛那另外這個系統它有說它儲存旅客的人臉系統還有搭乘航班等大量的個資 |
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規定是航班起飛以後24小時內就要自動刪除所以這個更應該要確保它資安供給的防禦能力否則它這個系統如果到淘機全國全面啟用將會成為資安上受到容易受到供給的一個項目所以我本期認為 |
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我們相關單位應該加強這方面的治安能力就是說第一個針對其他的機場要採用智慧通關系統的時程表以及如何強化治安能力因為松南機場在2019年就開始試辦了 |
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那2026年才正式那其他機場都還沒有開始採用請1個月內本期是提凍結啦凍結案是10%以及3個月內提出報告才能凍結 謝謝好 謝謝俊憲委員 張偉豪其他委員 魯碧昭委員 |
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好 謝主席我提的是第十案那第十案最主要是針對於飛航安全專業服務我提案凍結10%那凍結不是說不希望做這個飛航安全而是我們覺得在過去很多的一個飛航的一個危機中我們覺得民航局可以做更多尤其在今年這個2月8號 |
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我們看到整個這個機場它真的非常非常危險包括德國航空輪胎脫落然後造成了這個機場北跑道的一個關閉那在這個中間的一個階段越界航空又誤入關閉中的滑行道 |
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導致我們機場再度關閉到了傍晚的時候然後有三架航班都喊出May Day就緊急的一個狀況這是當天的一個狀況我們就發覺現在我們在編列這個預算非常安全專業服務我們真的希望能夠更專業民航局政策的制定法規的制定說真的整個的 |
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飛航安全除了民航局之外包括了航空公司以及飛航所有的作業人員每一個環節真的沒有辦法靠人質要靠綿密的法規跟規定來確保飛航的安全所以我們在這樣的一個情況 |
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在凍結10%希望我們民航局針對於相關的一個情況尤其我們對於航空業者遷派油量及倍降規劃機度這個他的監理的機制等等來提出專案報告然後使得動之 以上說明好 謝謝盧委員警察委員還有意見嗎沒有好 那我們先請民航局先回應 |
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首先有關這個徐委員有提到就是我們的這個安全的部分航空安全部分我們有訂定了國家民用航空安全計畫那在我們民航局也有設置這個安全保證小組都是由我來召開會議然後我們的目標就是臨時試這個是一定要選這個是一定我們追求的目標那至於相關的我們都有訂定相關的這個落後指標或者是領先指標來進行整個安全管理 |
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那至於李昆澤委員這邊有提到的這個水電費的部分確實因為我們在113年4月跟10月的時候電費有做一個調整所以在114年的預算沒辦法來反映那不過我們這個部分也會遵照委員的這個指示就是有關這個智慧用電或者是如何節約的部分我們會再來精進相關的一個做法 |
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至於這個林鉅縣委員有提到的這個我們松山機場有執行這個1ID就是在我們航警的這個整個通關過程中我們航警就不用再出示這個Body Pass就是直接用這個人臉辨識那各機場因為它的條件 |
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就是說有一些不一樣那確實要推動這個也要花很長的時間不過我們相關我們會來做一個完整的盤點把相關的一個時程表來訂定然後相關的資安的部分我們全部都是配合政府的資安的檢測作業來做所以為什麼會在這個相關各自二四小時就來把它刪除就是避免這個相關資安的一個就是避免有產生資安問題 |
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那有關這個魯明哲委員所提的這個有關我們今年二月的案件就是有關這個航空公司國籍業者的一個簽派的油量跟安全的作業我們會再持續來精進確實這個部分不能靠人質那對於外籍業者在我們國籍 |
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國境的這個機場所發生的事情其實我們也都有針對外籍業者進行相關的一個初步的調查那也有把相關我們的一個事實資料也有送交就是有也有透過這個交換的機制給這個外籍的這個民航主管單位那對於外籍業者在我國的營運我們也可以後續來看看如何來精進相關他們在台的一個作業的標準那 |
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這個部分就以上說明好 謝謝民航局 各位有要回應嗎 |
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建議這個部分是不是因為都在同一幕這個業務成本這個前面我們是不是建議就是說可以提書面報告這樣這樣啦這個整個整個整個幕有149億其實蠻高的但我想多數委員包含我本人在內大家問的這個 |
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關注的焦點在勞務成本向下啦就勞務成本底下我們在勞務成本這邊動10%然後一個月提書面報告好不好我們不是整不要整幕動但是就是勞務成本底下動10%那相關的這些書面報告來處理勞務成本10 |
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跟委員報告因為整個凍結百分之十二萬我們勞務成本裡面會有一些人是很大大宗人事費支出人事費支出高達六十八億可能這個部分已經六月會影響這個薪資的問題所以 |
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整個業務成本的凍結數目前整個所有人的凍結數加起來目前加總數是5.71億所以建議是不是我們可以把這個凍結的金額降到大概就是稍微降一下 |
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因為勞務成本裡面其實主要是用人費用還有一些折舊攤銷那是不是可以不要勞務成本如果剛剛講的是就是裡面其實有講那個徐富奎委員有講一千萬或者是勞務成本盧委員的是七十五萬那林俊憲委員的大概是三千萬 |
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那可不可以從裡面折一個因為其實我們業務現在已經到六月好啦好啦那這樣就用我們就用鄰居縣委員的這個三億的部分是百分之十啦好不好三千萬三千萬對嗎 各位委員好 那就這樣謝謝 謝謝趙委謝謝各位委員支持 謝謝那我們這個二張十六案總共就是動三千萬 |
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然後第三案改為主決議其他部分就是由民航局一個月內提書面報告 |
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好 接下來我們處理17到20案 看看各位有沒有補充意見好 目前沒有 那我們先請民調局說明 17到20案 |
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有關那個徐委員提出的十七案是針對我們松山高雄機場的北側用地的取得確實這個案子有就是說執行上主要是因為地上霧的這個取得就是民眾的問題所以有delay這個部分我們會來依委員的部分來辦理 |
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那第二案就是18案這個部分是陳興隆委員提的這個也有跟就是主要是針對行警在第三行下的這個安檢採購設備那目前來講其實都已經按照進度來執行了那再來 |
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第十九案是松山機場的耐震補強的部分那這裡面主要也提到這個大概監察委員有提出相關針對松山機場的無障礙的一個廁所的情形那因為我們21個無障礙廁所裡面有七座是供親子跟這個 |
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這個性別友善來共用的基本上是足夠的這個部分我們也會來持續關注那第二十案是這個林俊炫委員所提的就是有關疫後我們有一些公共工程確實在離島的部分就是例如七美望安 |
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的部分我們一直招標主要就是因為當地的離島偏遠的問題所以這部分我們也持續精進那南竿的IMAS我們在今年3月已經決標了那這個部分我們也會依照委員的這個這個提案來來進行處理那有關 |
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動結數的話是不是可以就是因為今年已經六月了如果可以的話是不是可以數額稍微你們跟各位溝通的時候大概多少如果可以的話是不是那個鄰居縣委員的 |
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的2億這樣凍結10%還是我們是希望5%可是如果還有可能的話5%是整個159.5%那個一般建築及設備計畫就是以林俊憲委員的林俊憲提議二十案他是25億凍十分之一大概2億多吧對可以啊那就我們就用這個數字好不好整目好 曾召派謝謝委員凍結百分之 |
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二十五一三千二十五一三千兩百一十萬九千元的百分之十可以嗎好不好各位接受吼好那我們現在就這樣處理二十一案只有我哎等一下十七到二十案等一下十七到二十案一樣要提一個月內提出的報告嗎 |
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二十一案 你先說好了 你要稍微跟我說結婚的時候就提書面 剛剛要提書面好 提書面報告 提書面報告這案應該是改組決議吧二十一案是改我看一下 二十一案是邱對 趙偉的 改組決議對 我改組決議了 對二十一案改組決議 |
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好那接下來是22到36案的主決議那我們先從22案開始我們請民航局有關這個盧委員提的就是我們建議這個主決議裡面有針對空就是倒數第三行就是空中景觀亮點我們建議刪除那個六個字就是針對航線規劃及國際行銷策略嚴厲可行方案好委員同意 |
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就照你們的建議三十五提案文字空中警官亮點好謝謝委員修正通過好二十三二十三案我們就是建議改書面那就是也是盧委員提的最後一行好改書面報告修正通過好謝謝委員二十四這個就遵照辦理好二十五遵照辦理二十六遵照辦理 |
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27 專招辦理28 專招辦理29 |
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這個有跟委員溝通是不是就測案了好謝謝委員 謝謝趙偉二九案測案好 三十案書面 改書面有跟委員辦公室溝通好 修正通過改書面三十一有跟油耗委員辦公室溝通過就是改書面報告好 改書面報告修正通過三十二這個部分就遵照辦理好 |
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33遵照辦理34遵照辦理35遵照辦理36這個也遵照辦理好我們在這個115年度總預算案的民航事業租業基金的部分審查完畢我們休息5分鐘休息到10點半現在是23分休息到10點半 |
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那謝謝各位委員支持民航局謝謝 |
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謝謝觀看,下次見 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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高雄因為他的條件不一樣松山機場他是因為他剛報到櫃台做調整所以他跟航空公司跟系統商做討論以後在合約沒到期之前就先規劃 |
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那高雄因為他已經委外所以他就是有航空他那個運務櫃台就是航空公司已經跟那個系統商簽約了所以短期內不可能因為他那個約大概我等一下再查一下七年我記得是七年所以可能我們要在譬如說第三年或第幾年的時候再來討論 |
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就是那個登機系統就是我們那個刷的登機系統是航空公司跟這個系統商簽約對不是那個松山機場就把它改變它把它改變就是變成說松山機場就來出一點錢那其實是跟航空公司收錢那有點把它變成三方合約的概念 |
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就松山機場自己出來然後來建這個這個相關的一些內部的一些設施所以不太一樣所以不太一樣所以可能要到合約 |
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因為他有人送來了我們會直接先就同意籌辦他就繼續籌辦很快我們就同意 |
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冬天可以嘛 因為恆春機場還是風向對 冬天在這比較難就是暑假 暑假譬如說譬如說有外國人來然後譬如說八九個 十個同一個公司的他要去恆春就不要再搭高鐵直接飛過去 大概是這樣跟商務 商務包機 |
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你原本是董事長是嗎媽的 我們的董事長我地址你搞清楚欸搞好幾個月啦這是他 他是用商務專機模式你這也沒沾嘛 有沾嗎有點像棚子喔來來來 |
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喝酒 |
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還有那個白麗芸超漫運的臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人物臭人 |
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在上海吃一條黃魚,我吃了一萬六千多塊金幣那金幣一萬九千,一萬六千我怕吃到我會腹瘤那米其林還能吃到嗎?沒吃完 |
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每天都有 要吃的話跟你交代一下 |
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這裏面有沒有人? |
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很不容易喔我抽了五支筆很想抽的是不是我要拿那個筆 |
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你以為我偷了一根油嗎? |
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哦哦哦 |
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這一個是不是辛苦了謝謝喔,辛苦了 |
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好我們現在繼續開會我們接下來審查這個114年度這個桃園國際機場股票有限公司的營業預算案那我先介紹在場的人員喔桃機公司董事長 楊衛副董事長范孝倫總經理會計處同時也是助理副總監 兼任處長楊秀龍處長 |
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好,當然還有陳士凱部長依舊在場我們先處理第一案跟第二案服務費用的部分看看提案委員有沒有補充說明提案委員昆哲跟蘇悅好,看來是沒有那你們淘氣公司要不要說明一下 |
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謝謝各位委員這兩個提案由李昆哲委員跟陳書銘委員分別凍結的金額是一千萬到五百萬那主要是服務費用裡面的幾個項目那建議的處理方式呢是我們就採用金額比較高的李昆哲委員的提案凍結一百萬元我們來做調整一千萬元對不起好昆哲委員要補充嗎 |
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我同意改決議案就提出改善數目報告就可以以上好 謝謝李鋒哲委員所以你這樣子是改成主決議那這樣陳書業委員那邊你們溝通過嗎 沒有還是就改五百萬 |
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呃陳樹遠去跟他溝通的時候他說不用來溝通沒有問題他他沒有需要處理好啦那就不處理囉好那這第一案改組決議第二案不處理好恭喜恭喜來再來第三案到第四個案齁來各位有沒有補充意見那我們請徐富奎委員 |
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謝謝主席我提出第三案跟第四案那有介於這個桃園國際機場第三航廈的一個建設計畫這個計畫是從行政院從104年合併那原本總經費是746億多那執行的期限從104年到111年那因為有歷經了這個物價波動跟整個結構涉及了一些問題那在分別我們提出多次的一個修正跟延長的一個工期的一個時程 |
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那這個桃園國際機場的第三航廈我想這個預算大幅增加那計畫也歷經多次的修正那桃機也應該要按照這個修正後的計畫加快時程我想尤其桃機是我們的國際門面那未來怎麼樣能夠如期擴充機場的量能服務更多國內外的旅客 |
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所以我想我們對於淘機應該是要寄予厚望那我提出凍結營運成本五千萬那請淘機提出相關的一個說明報告之後使得動之那第四案有鑑於110年到113年桃園國際機場發生的空撤違規事件1149件還有地面的安全事件39件那審計部在這個113年的審計報告裡面也有提出 |
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這空測違規有44%屬於人為的一個因素那顯見我們的人員訓練跟設備維護的量能不足那所謂一樣提出凍結營運成本五千萬那請淘汰公司能夠強化這個高韌性的一個安全管理的體系那確保所有的飛航安全能夠達到最高的一個安全標準那一樣請一個月之內提出書面報告實施的動機 謝謝好 謝謝許副委員 |
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好 魯碧喆委員好 謝謝主席我這邊提的是第14案最主要是因為這個是我們行下的修復費我這邊提凍結10%我們是期望能夠做得更好提出專案報告使得凍結其中最主要的一個原因是因為 |
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從去年12月我們三航廈被登基這個郎廷他整個啟用之後大家對於這個嶄新的硬體真的都覺得非常的亮麗但是我們也希望說我們不能夠只看到新人笑讓舊人在那邊哭我們現在替換一航廈47歲了二航廈26歲了那真的是已經有發生了非常多已經老舊的一個情況 |
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多年來常常的漏水甚至停電的事故經常發生從早期因為老舊實在是沒有辦法但是這幾年我們又發現了很多因為施工疏失我們就覺得 |
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非常不應該包括了為了修格柵百頁更換造成了這個電纜的一個損壞免稅店的施工造成了旅客的衣物這個污損這等等的一個施工的一個品質以及老舊我們行駕的整體的一個保固我就希望說在機場公司能夠提出一個全面的計劃 |
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因為畢竟老舊了你也不能頭痛一頭腳痛一腳不然我們這種國際的一個門面讓大家看到了也覺得非常難看所以我這個案子是提希望能夠航廈電力防水設施韌性提供全面的一個提升計畫然後向交通委員會提出專案報告之後使得動之以上說明 |
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好 黃孟楷委員好 感謝常委 本席提的第15案淘汰公司有來我辦公室也做說明那我這邊也了解那所以我記得我這一個案應該是已經改成主決議那但是我還是提醒一下因為接下來這個禮拜馬上又當午連假 |
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七月八月又是出國旺季暑期熱潮所以一定會有很多的國人要出國或是這個觀光客來台灣那陶基公司身為這個中華民國的一個門面那可能會有很多的這個運量的一個需求那也要提醒就是說不要因為我們的工作量大增遊客人數多那造成是 |
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委外的公司去做柯克員工的一個部分所以這個部分我就特別要叮嚀跟注意那個我們都不希望有這樣的一個狀況那如果說確實有這樣的狀況的話該適時的要要求這個委外公司也要要求或是如果說旅販的部分的話該列黑名單或是相關的一個懲處我想都有相關的一個管理辦法國門還是要有一定的一個高度以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃峰愷委員好 那麼先請陶姬先說明是 這個案子提案的委員一共有八位因為整個的項目它科目它是營業成本那個項目裡面的個案的錯誤等一下我做一個綜合性的建議那剛剛徐委員提到的第三案第四案的部分我們會遵照辦理因為這個時候我們正在目前正在加強辦理當中的這些事情 |
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那這個案子我們辦理的狀況也會提書面報告提書面報告那其次就是洪委員這個委員提到的部分第15案那第15案的部分對不起這個盧明哲委員的第14案的部分那也感謝盧明哲委員對我們高級公司不斷地在鞭策那這些該處理的事項 |
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我們會提書面報告那這些老舊的設施的部分的改進這是一直都在處理那過去是比較常看到的是頭通衣頭 腳通衣腳那現在我們盡量是用系統性的方式去找到缺失的地方然後做系統性的改善這個是我們目前正在努力的地方 |
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那剛剛黃委員提到的部分這個委外的部分委外的部分的管理這個是確實是有疏失過的這個狀況那這些狀況我們每次事件發生之後都要按照這個合約的處理規範去做處理那以後的這種狀況發生的時候我們會重新來處理假設他違規的事情非常嚴重可能我們在後續的合約的處理就對他這個廠商要有更多的一個約束的條件以上這個就個案的部分我先簡單的報告 |
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那對整個案子這個營業成本的部分呢這個案子裡面提出來的整個營業成本的三減或凍結的金額從五千萬到百分之十到其他的百分之三十等等那這整個營業成本的總預算的額度是一百五十七億六千多萬元 |
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所以用數字或者是用百分比來看都有不同的一個程度那這裡面的這些項目科目也不太一樣那我的建議直接的建議就是我們用金額比較合理也高的這個數字當作指標 |
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那這裡面凍結10%的部分有好幾位委員另外如果換算成金額的部分有到五千萬元那整個看起來我建議的金額是用金額來算的話大概是1.4億元左右 |
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1.4億元那這個1.4億元如果是看五數157億多來看的話它是百分比是不到10%的但是就金額來講它是算是高的那這個我們是可以用內部再去做調整所以直接的建議就是用凍結金額的部分用1.4億元來計算我們把它換算成各個項目裡面它可能不是以百分比計算那我們去做科目的調整以上報告好 謝謝董事長說回頭 |
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老闆委員沒有補充意見喔那我們就來處理第15案改為主決議那其餘部分我們就依淘擠公司的建議喔凍結1.4億營業成本凍結1.4億一個月內提相關的書跟報告來解凍 |
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我們接下來處理16-30案營業費用 |
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看各委員有沒有補充意見來 黃孟楷委員孟楷 明君周 崑哲委員好 感謝那個趙偉本席在這一幕是沒有提案但是本席有簽署第16案那16案本身我想也要請淘氣公司這邊來說明一下因為我們有看到差不多兩個禮拜前就有一個 |
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訊息說從7月1號開始我們的Skytrain這個電動巴士一航廈二航廈之間這個巴士就要暫停營運那看這個新聞的走向是未來就不再使用了它不是維修不是這個短期停止而是就這個Skytrain從此要走入歷史 |
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那連帶的你要做的是說是現在用機捷一航廈二航廈的一個連接或者是說用電動巴士但是一樣在第16案裡面這個油耗委員這邊我們就有提到是說原本是說自駕電動巴士系統可是這個系統一直招標等等相關還沒有很明確那我想問的是國人也想關心的是那未來這個sky chain第一評估說不再使用是因為它的運量 |
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不符合預期使用效率不高還是說有什麼樣成本的考量那第二如果說不再用的話那那個軌道就留在那邊 |
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這樣好像有點奇怪那軌道會不會之後要做拆除還是說要做改建的時候做怎麼樣的一個整修我想這可能也要淘氣公司應該要有一個評估出來那還有第三一航廈二航廈以及未來的三航廈啟動之後航廈跟航廈之間的距離還是有一定可能國人要出國比較不受影響是不是我們就知道說我要在二航廈三航廈搭機我直接到那航廈但是轉機的旅客就會有影響 |
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怎麼樣從一航廈到三航廈 三航廈到二航廈這個部分就要淘擠公司這邊規劃沒有sky chain我們有其他的辦法是不是很方便能夠讓旅客來運用等一下說明一下 謝謝 |
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陶磯公司115年度的管理費用預算大概是8億8998萬我們來依據違反勞動法令事業單位的查詢系統資料 |
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淘氣公司114年度因為違反勞基法遭到裁罰那他的違反內容是延長工作時間卻沒有依照規定加給工資那 |
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桃園機場是他的作業作為國家的門面跟國營事業那應該要遵守勞動法規 應該要盡到的責任而且要作為遵守勞工法令的一個典範才對這個應該要嚴加檢討 凍結1000萬以上 |
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好 謝謝我們現在請林俊憲召委好 謝謝召委那本期第二次試案是我們的業務費用它裡面大概有七成就是委託調查研究費有3409萬 |
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那其中我們都看到今年3月英國航空顧問公司Skytruck公佈的全球百大機場淘機的排名由43名進步到24名雖然有進步啦但我們過去最高排名是第13名所以我們還是有很有努力的空間 |
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這次的排名 我們最差的就是快速通關系統還有快速安檢服務這兩個都只有兩星這兩個星基本上就是不及格我們這個快速通關和快速安檢明顯的落後於國際的水準 |
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所以如果淘機要成為五星機場,那這兩個基本上是最重要的,安檢跟通關跟那個案關注通關所以要如果要改善,我請淘機一個月內提報告啦,本期是提凍結案,凍結預算10%一個月要提報告時的凍結,謝謝好,謝謝居心召委,我們現在請魯明哲委員 |
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謝謝主席剛剛我們孟愷委員問了一個問題我覺得陶瓷公司因為我那天有打電話去很多民眾都搞不清楚因為確實有很多轉接力客尤其直轉行李他就直轉所以他都在管制區內他不用出關這種客戶你不可能說我沒有Skytrain然後我要到二行駕 |
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我從一行下過不去 他還要去清關再出來 這個完全不合理所以 陶瓊公司跟我講說 SkyTrain管制區內的照樣可以做所以你們現在 因為你們新聞在做的感覺讓大家感覺是全部廢掉所以你們要說清楚 在管制區內要轉機的怎麼樣從一行下到二行下 |
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然後未來也可以從管制區二行下也串接如果新的電車玩我覺得你們要說明一下不然大家都弄得很混亂好 謝謝魯明哲委員好 那我們現在先請淘汰公司我們董事長先說明 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝剛剛提到的Skytrain的這個問題確實我們這一次的前置作業或者新發布的過程的時間稍微短了一點那基本上我們這條路線現在是因為配合第三航廈的建設原來的一二航廈之間跟第三航廈新的這種電動巴士這種方式的處理方式是不一樣所以在等一下我請我們總經理這邊再做一個簡單的補充 |
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第二個問題是剛剛提到的這些有跟快速空關我們在Skytrex上面得分的問題這個是目前我們正在努力的地方大概今年度到明年初的時候這個問題就會解決所以現在在進行當中的爭取我們淘氣的排名的部分我們都針對自己本身的弱點或者是別人做得更好的地方正在做處理這個也是我們努力的目標沒有最好只有更好這是我們共同的一個目標整齊的一個目標 |
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至於預算的部分是不是容我先就預算處理的部分先做一個簡單的遷移方式你們先說明完等一下你要回來說明給那個林俊憲跟徐惠美問題還沒有回應 |
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是 各位委員有關PMS的一個這一次因應既有的PMS T1 T2當目前的既有PMS因為配合T3的施工 |
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需要停止部分的功能其實就是盧委員剛剛所提到是管制區外的部分管制區內的部分還是正常的運行然後管制區外的這個功能的部分我們會用提供利用集結或者是接駁巴士都是免費的服務來繼續提供這個服務我想相關的這些的說明我們會在後面的 |
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對外的宣導上面再來特別強調說清楚那未來的確是因為從T1 T2到T3以後我們運作的模式主要的轉機的旅客會主要的轉機航線會集中在T3所以可能會有少部分的跨航廈的移動所以將來的這個 |
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整個管制區內的接駁的服務還是會提供的我想這個部分都在我們的一個規劃當中以上報告還有另外就是林昭偉所提到的 |
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FAST TRACK這個部分的確我們過去受限於既有空間限制所以這一項我們的確得分比較低所以我們也在檢討因為涉及到各單位包含航警航空公司的作業所以今年我們檢討完以後有比較具體的突破我們預計在今年底在T2的部分可以開始來試行這個快速通關的服務可以提供那將來的T3 |
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都已經把這樣子的一個需求喔把它考慮進來了我想這個也特別跟委員報告那另外剛剛李昆哲委員所提到的我們有一個案子被勞動局處罰這件事情特別在這邊也說明一下他是我們有一位 |
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過去新進的同仁他因為是在我們等於是三個月的一個考核期間表現的狀況不如預期所以我們後來是政治的之前那因為他在中間有加班時數 |
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可能是後在程序上沒有來得及提報出來所以我們後來是有按照規定有發了這個加班時數但是就是留下個紀錄所以我想這個部分也我們也納入我們後續的作業來檢討經濟以避免這種情形會再發生以上補充好謝謝總經理董事長 |
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是 剛剛的補充之後呢我想對預算的部分做一個建議的處理方式這個案子提案委員 一共有15個案子那提案委員大概也是七八位左右那凍結的金額從10%到30%不等但是因為這個母數的問題那我建議是凍結10% 凍結10% |
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那他是參考大家的這個凍結的金額跟項目來看我們10%是大家都可以做得到的那至於說這個報告裡面有提到有專案報告的部分我們以後就提書面報告那10%的處理就請我們委員會這邊來做決策好 謝謝董事長那個各位委員如果改成專案報告不然改書面報告有沒有意見好 可以那我們這樣就處理了我們16到30案 |
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全案營業費用凍結10%然後書本報告一個月內提供交通委員會使得凍值好接下來我們繼續處理31到36案固定資產建設改良擴充計劃好31到36案各位委員有沒有補充意見然後請魯民政委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我的提案是第三次案第三次案主要是針對於這個焚化爐這個相關的預算我這邊提出凍結10%首先我不是不支持這個新的焚化爐的一個這個設置因為畢竟老的焚化爐已經21年了原有的吞吐量大概只剩下大概六成左右 |
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所以我們是支持但是因為半年前的一個總諮詢我相信這個部長也在我們特別提出來因為內容很多我也不耽誤大家的時間因為現在的機場公司 |
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它不光是只有機場的民航上下客人相關的一些生態它整個周邊未來航空城的產業專區與航空城共同生存的一個相關的區塊總共是有4000多公頃所以在我們新的焚化爐在設計的時候目前設計只有190噸 |
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每天的處理量所以我覺得這個部分完全只考慮到現有機場123航廈跟周邊的一個範圍之內完全不考慮未來跟機場結合在一起的生態圈航空城我覺得這樣的一個設計的吞吐量是有問題的第二個我們現在預計花64億 |
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只蓋日吞土量190噸的我也覺得CP值是有問題的因為台南現在正在最近蓋的花了70而已它的日吞土量是900公噸 |
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張濱工業區花的比我們錢還要少58億它的吞吐量是700噸每天嘉義花了63.7億跟我們差不多它的吞吐量是500噸每一天所以我們一定要花一個64億去蓋一個只有190噸的吞吐量的我覺得這個部分我也跟院長 |
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跟部長甚至機場公司講希望你們好好去考量說真的現在台灣要蓋一個焚化爐是難上加難除了你們自己顧自己之外未來就算整個交通部下面所有的單位發生垃圾危機互相作為備援支援我覺得都應該投資這個金額要能夠CP值更高 |
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所以我這邊提凍結百分之十我們希望你們真正能夠針對這個問題啊不是只有三次的拜會沒有正式的會議以上說明謝謝好謝謝魯明哲委員其他委員要補充嗎好沒有話我講一下那個我是提 |
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31案針對的是人力的問題因為現在當然淘機進入第三行下開始要開始做那你們期待的預估的吞吐量會達到4500萬人次一年那當然現在整體淘機的這個進出量的好幾倍了就超過現在的吞吐量了那在你的整個人力規劃上面不管是跨部會的協調還是說你們自己淘機公司的人力 |
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有跟著硬體成長嗎還是說你們為了要推動更多的自動化設備去解決問題就包含說剛剛前面其他委員提到的我們在這個行李通關跟快速通關的部分的評鑑可能在全球評鑑上面一直沒有往前進的原因會不會是因為你們人力不足或者是自動化設備不足所以導致這樣的結果所以我們體驗動機案當然是支持我們希望說當然我們機場能夠吞吐量越來越好可是問題是它裡面的人力成本還有我們跟各部會之間不管是海關也好 |
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行政局各單位其他的部分有沒有做相關的這個對應所以部分也請陶吉要一併的來說明 |
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那如果其他委員沒有意見的話就先請陶琦先回應好 謝謝委員剛剛提到的人力的部分我們目前正在跟所有施工的部分已經在專案在處理那整個機場裡面的CIX單位共同合作的單位的人力的部分我們也有一個專案小組在處理那最近也做了一些檢討 待會請我們的總經理再做一個簡單的補充報告 |
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那至於說焚化爐的部分呢這個老案子我們也是一直都在進行當中等一下以便來做這個比較詳細的補充說明是不是我們讓總經理先報告是跟委員補充報告第一點是有關焚化爐 |
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部委員所提示的這個焚化爐的部分因為我們在機場裡面設置焚化爐我們有幾個先決的條件必須要去遵守第一個就是航高限制還有第二個是我們本身的用地使用條件 |
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但是我們也有在考慮第三個條件就是怎麼樣去協助事實的協助地方所以目前這個案子我們還是會在進一步跟桃園市的環保局去做檢討我想因為 |
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焚化爐的確是一個比較敏感的課題我想我們會再妥適的再跟環保局甚至跟地方做一個檢討以後再提出相關的計畫那因為我們原來的計畫提的金額比較高它主要的原因是因為 |
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我們在施工的期間原來的焚化爐要暫停所以的確有垃圾處理費的問題我想委員所提示這個問題我們也會再進一步的檢討怎麼樣能夠兼顧到各方的一個需求去找到一個適合的一個方案 |
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那第二個有關黃昭偉所提到的我們配合第三計畫的一個執行除了硬體的部分的確在軟體的部分也同步在準備檢討當中除了我們機場公司自己因應這樣子的設施的規模增加我們要已經有跟部裡面在部裡面支持之下我們已經陸續補充人力去做準備同時間我們也跟 |
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部門包含CIQS單位甚至是相關的利害關係單位航空公司地勤等等那甚至還有我們未來可能廠內的一些的一些比如說清潔各方面的服務廠商這個我們都在 |
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配合T3計畫的一個執行我們同步都有在盤點也請各單位都要預作準備我想我們的思考不只是他要完工還是要能夠達到要營運做好營運的準備這樣的一個前提再檢討相關的事項以上補充 |
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謝謝主席這個我在補充說明一下因為已經半年多了啦我是希望行或者不行做或者不做是經過會議討論的我都接受嘛對不對你們現在已經半年多的時間了 |
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去拜訪環保局一次我不知道去拜訪幹嘛拜訪民航局工程中心然後變訪去打一通電話你也算我說真的因為那是當時部長院長說這個好好去研究你們不能一次會相關單位我是說真的行或者不行做或者不做 |
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我們都接受經過了專業會專業評估但是你們我覺得你們這樣等於是沒有處理了 |
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8713.821 |
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好 請部長好 謝謝陸委員的關心我覺得這件事應該要開正式的會議請淘氣公司在一個月之內我們跟這個桃園市政府的環保局大家來開一個正式的會議來討論一下怎麼樣把它做到最大的量在符合你們這個航高限制的前提之下怎麼樣把它做到最大的量這個我們可以跟地方來開正式的會議來討論一個月之內請你們來召開會議 謝謝 |
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這部分我們建議處理的方案是按照召委的提案就是我們的T3計畫凍結10% |
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我第三計畫的金額凍結百分之十本來趙偉的建議是百分之三十那我們建議是說按照這個第三計畫的金額來凍結百分之十那是不是趙偉或者是委員這邊能不能支持謝謝好那我們就來處理這個部分的話整戶固定資產建設改善改良擴充計畫我們就凍結274億的百分之十 |
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然後另外一部分這個剛剛魯明哲委員包含部長也回應了這個所謂的針對焚化爐的部分你們一個月內要來開專案會議要確實的執行了好不好這部分我們把它列入紀錄那其餘部分我們就用書面報告一個月內書面報告此的動之好各位也還有意見嗎沒有好那我們進入這個決議案的部分37到51案先從37案開始 |
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看陶吉公司好,37案我們遵照辦理好,38案我們建議專案改成書面報告托秉哲委員的建議案好,修正通過39案我們遵照辦理好,繼續40案我們遵照辦理 |
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41案我們建議修改文字那修改文字的內容我們在書面資料裡面已經有那也謝謝邱委員的同意好同意文字修正那我們修正通過4242案也是一樣我們也是謝謝委員的這個同意我們已經做了文字的修正這個報告文字的修正的部分也是用書面的方式來做報告好 |
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8846.897 |
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8862.255 |
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郭文貴議員 現在立法院將委員會結束書面報告後時的動質提案 許志堅多久 時間半年我們改成三個月三個月內 書面報告好 事實二案修正通過 |
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8890.936 |
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來四十三 四十三我們遵照辦理好 四十四遵照辦理好 四十五遵照辦理好 四十六四十六案我們建議專案報告改成書面報告有跟油耗委員有通過油耗委員說我們在現場再處理就好沒有意見好 沒有問題那就修正通過好 四十七四十七案跟四十六案一樣我們是建議專案報告改成書面報告好 修正通過 |
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謝謝各位委員 謝謝謝謝董事長 謝謝總經理我們先休息五分鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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好我們現在繼續審查115年度中華郵政股份有限公司的營業預算總預算案我們先介紹出席的那個官員中華郵政公司董事長王國才董事長總經理江瑞堂總經理快遞處楚秀敏處長 |
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9263.004 |
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好 我們這個交通部陳志凱部長一樣在現場好 那我們開始審查這個115年度中華鄉鎮的營業預算部分先看營業收入部分提案委員有沒有補充意見好 先請黃孟海委員說明 |
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好 感謝召委中華郵政還是強調對勢不對人但是最近發生一個事情是讓我們國人大家看到也覺得說非常的訝異跟嘩然我們看一下中華郵政現在營業收入一年也才編列1700多億但是突然間看到前幾天新聞說經濟部協調因為台電的虧損所以要跟中華郵政掉頭寸說3000億是營業收入的兩倍 |
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那我想問的是怎麼會突然間經濟部兩個部分嘛第一錯誤的能源政策過去在野我們不管國民黨民眾黨我們都一直跟政府要提醒你政府你要堅持95%都是用火力發電燃煤燃氣火力全開造成突然間的油價上漲突然間的燃煤成本上升這個是你政府要去承擔要去面對 |
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那怎麼會現在說台電的虧損然後結果要比照中油模式然後來跟這個公股銀行不知道借不到錢還是怎麼樣反而說要來融資三千億那融資三千億也沒有在我們的預算書裡面有任何的呈現所以換言之它就是一個突然間出現的行為那再來經濟部主導那交通部 |
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的意見是什麼交通部的立場是什麼交通部絕對不是經濟部的勢寒嘛那可是我們在這件事情上面看到是經濟部組長好像就已經要拍板定案了那中華郵政那最後一個問題是中華郵政三千億哪裡來 |
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看起來不是賺來的啊你是從人民的還不是人民喔是用戶的存款存在中華郵政裡面的錢是不是你們的3000億其實是用戶的存款現在是受險的現在是所有 |
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民眾中華郵政的用戶去嫁一嫁到中華郵政所以你有這個總資產那你現在要拿三千億去借台電那如果說台電因為能源政策你現在能源結構如果說不改變的話台電的虧損可能還是持續啊那如果台電虧損持續的話那他沒有辦法還中華郵政怎麼辦那中華郵政這一筆三千億要不要借以及借給台電算多少利息還有什麼時候要要求台電還 |
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那如果說都沒有說明清楚突然間要從台電中華郵政這邊搬錢去給台電我覺得人民沒有辦法接受吧 |
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至少存款戶沒有辦法接受吧這也不應該是這樣子來用啦所以我今天會提出來是因為現在看到這個新聞然後大家討論很多可是目前還沒有聽到中華郵政有任何的一個官方的回應或是怎麼樣所以我希望是等一下董事長這邊是不是也向國人說明清楚那還有如果說真的要做融資的話這一筆錢是不是應該也要經過交通委員會的審議以上謝謝好 謝鳳凱委員現在盧賓喆委員 |
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好 謝謝我提的是第二案謝謝主席那主要是這個金融保險收入保險收入的部分希望你們在稅務的部分能夠再增加一些啦你今年度的編預算的時候我有看到有比去年要再這個增加那這個部分 |
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我們希望在這個整體收入部分就剛剛孟愷委員就希望我們中華郵政能夠有在稅務部分收入部分能夠更充實所以這邊提案是在增列三千萬元以上說明好 王委員 |
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謝謝在這裡我有提第三案和第四案待會 待會 好不好 待會現在第一案 第二案我們先一併處理吧 不好意思 |
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9511.049 |
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9536.691 |
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好 那我們請中華郵政先回應122的部分好 那個我剛才洪委員所提的就是中華郵政依據郵政儲金會對法的18條我們的資金應用 資金應用就是包括儲位的資金大概7.6兆還有包括我們的壽險大概1兆左右這個就是說我們的資金應用它有很多途徑包括 |
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9538.193 |
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9562.155 |
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買這些股票公債其中有一個就是轉各個銀行的定存我們收定存息那過去平常啦平常大概就是一兆左右各大行庫都是比如說在去年在推新安的時候他們錢不夠他也是類似這樣比如說200億轉定存那我們就拿到定存的存款 |
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9562.896 |
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9579.194 |
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所以他們是用這種方式並不是中華郵政直接把錢借給任何一個企業單位這個就是我們資金應用的部分那資金應用的規模大概8.4兆到8.5兆大概都用這樣所以它是一般的很平常的一個資金的一個應用 |
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9597.842 |
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第二點那個因為保險收入的部分我們在115年的時候已經有增編了6.78億那這個部分看是不是盧委員這邊是因為已經115年已經有多編了那看是不是可以減少一點或者就是 |
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9626.774 |
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我先問一下剛剛孟凱文問說那後續 董事長發報那個你去給台電之後後續的資金的調度回來有要付利息或等等這部分你可能要說明一下我們給八大行戶 比如說在三千億的額度內他們希望我們去轉定存多少所以中華郵政是跟八大行戶的關係他就給我們定存的利息 |
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9639.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
然後八大行戶再融資給這個台電或中油大概是這樣所以我們這邊就是很單純的一個轉我們的資金轉定存的一個投資這樣 |
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9662.576 |
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所以這三千億這個按照剛剛董事長說的這就是稀鬆平常的事情每一年都在做那經濟服務特別請問一下你到底跟台電這三千億跟銀行的借款他跟銀行借款如果未履歷當然 |
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我相信不太容易如果發生什麼樣的一個問題的時候你需不需要負什麼責任還是我只是存我就是吸收平常的事我也沒有什麼在掛什麼保證那到底是怎麼回事還是他未來如果還或者不還只跟銀行發生權責關係跟中華人民是沒有關係的嗎是這樣就是我們純粹就是一個定存戶 |
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9705.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
然後融資貸款啦包括利息包括有沒有產生問題都是銀行跟中油或台電的事這樣所以你的債權關係是你跟八大航空不是跟你好 那現在處理這個案子喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
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9732.967 |
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我想有委員提到一千萬跟兩三千萬喔那我們就一千萬可以嗎整體一千萬整體收入啦整體營業收入不管是勞務和金融保險收入我們在營業收入整體我們增加一千萬可以嗎好我們就照一千萬來通過那我們自己調整好再處理第三案跟第四案營業總支出包含營業成本營業費用營業外費用的部分這邊我們請剛剛王美惠委員王美惠委員先發言謝謝 |
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9735.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9746.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
謝謝 感謝趙薇在這裡面我的意見就是說長久以來在教育是我們的宇宙的問題我認為我們的宇宙的動力也很認真但是在整個當中沒有我們一個所在整個幾十年還未處理 再營養一個利保委員會跟市議一起談 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
9764.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9784.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
一直做 我覺得本來在老人家的地方放這樣已經幾十年是不應該的最主要大家如果問就說好好好 臨時要處理 臨時要處理處理到已經幾十年了因為在高潮裡面 大家都會認為說高潮本來就是要去維護嘛跟地方政府 |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
要合作,我們還可以再說一句,這我都沒有意見但是這修理後跟整修是有夠慢的慢所以在本縣裡面有第三案和第四案的行為 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9811.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9822.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
說的時候 我覺得說 撿到的時候 我有說三千萬他可是也要給他們一個警惕 我撿了一百萬在這個過程當中 凍結兩百萬的時候 他們如果未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9829.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9846.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
就使得動之,因為我覺得真的我們做了不夠,我們的動靈真的要改進我相信我們的董事長、政府董事長應該知道這件事的嚴重性現在說這個讓我們的動靈可以過境加速讓一個人留在這個地方,這樣是不好的,以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9863.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9877.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
有關於嘉義郵局我想對委員很不好意思我們嘉義郵局處理真的是非常不適當那我大概也了解整個狀況所以昨天我也召開會議大概討論那最重要就是嘉義郵局趕快開放 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9878.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
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那目前就是九月會公告招標然後十一月會決標那我們希望說在交給那個廠商以後在明年的第四季啦看他們就是對外營運大概目前我們用這樣來處理那王委員所提的三結一百萬跟凍結兩百萬不要刪除是不是 |
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主結議是嗎?還是說我們就趕快來處理,可不可以就不刪除然後用主結議的方式,把剛才所談的一些文字內容放在主結議裡面這整個是一千六百八十四個字 |
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那個董事長因為這個過程我覺得說 |
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沒有這樣,因為我認為政府官員要在政府的地方當作自己家的地方去看待、去管理真的,你說叫我在那裡等,都沒有改善事項,都沒有做出對你們的懲罰 |
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因為他們做得不好,所以和第四例外一樣,都可以在這個單位 |
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我覺得真的不要這樣去一個地方我們同意三一百萬凍結兩百萬就照你的意思三一百萬凍結兩百萬當時你們在這裡我要補充 |
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三十八萬 到現在你要做水電要做什麼我已經做了算 不能再進展給我的資料已經花五千幾萬了還要花一個月來花 我覺得這非常不應該啦如果花我們自己的錢也要有幾萬 你要花那麼多花說我們要做人 還要花這麼多錢 |
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也不要這樣做,做了你如果想,剛才大家也說我們東林的生活,你敢用那些錢去加東林的獎金開這樓錢,有夠不應該,所以當時就我在這裡,我要先這樣說絕對不要再客氣 |
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讓人家招標的人去處理就好了跟水電我們一定要人家做好好的這是最基本的啦以上 委員是一致啦就是說我們大概300萬的基本修繕然後就後續由這個同胞廠商來處理好 盧文哲委要補充 |
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謝謝主席我想剛剛這個王委員來到交通委員會我們要真的要挺他一下這麼多的委屈我覺得還是三減一千萬好不好沒關係啊 農民政府員我們等一下再處理他們 |
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就尊重王委員的意見他說刪一百萬啦我們就幫他刪一百萬啦好 謝謝大家客戶資金調整第二 我們這一幕營業支出部分我們就刪一百萬客戶資金調整 凍結兩百萬元 |
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那你們要妥善的去跟王委員說明相關的這個過程還有到底嘉義市的郵局到底什麼時候要把它弄好好不好那一定要提書面報告一個月內時的通知接下來處理這個5到28案服務費用請各位委員補充好 陸委員 |
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好謝謝主席我提的是第五案簡單來說我們是希望節能省碳落實到每一個細節裡面那當然在整個中華郵政這個平常做服務這個水電它的用量這個是一定需要的但我們發覺它這個每一年超支的比例是越來越高我們還是希望董事長跟團隊能對於整體節能省碳能夠提出一些方法 |
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那我這邊提出來的你們跟我們溝通啦 刪減的部分我就去掉了齁就凍結10%預算說明好 謝謝盧委員 其他委員要補充嗎好 都沒有齁都沒有的話我們先請先請這個董事長說明 |
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那個針對剛才盧委員所講的就是我們的水電費這個部分那最主要就是說因為我們A7起開始啟用之後事實上有增加很多的電費的一些支出那我們平常也有在做一些換裝各種節冷減碳的設備所以理論上就是我們其實有在按照委員的意思有在遵截 |
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那這凍結的部分看是不是可以5%就好了然後就是凍結5%然後提書面報告只能凍結這樣可不可以 |
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我們現在是討論到28案嘛那我提這個26到27案我這邊提是3.2百萬凍結10%最主要這個研究發展費用專業服務費用因為我們發覺 |
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在之前幾年原編列的計畫執行率偏低像113年你編了五百萬後面五項計畫只執行兩項我們就發覺感覺編那個預算到底要做什麼真的是非常非常不明確所以在這裡我這邊提案是三減兩百萬凍結10% |
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那中華幼稚園說可以嗎好 以上說明那個凍結的部分看能不能改成5%這樣子來 凍結等一下會去處理啦3200萬這個項目可以嘛 對不對好 |
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好 其他委員沒有補充意見喔好 去陸委員好 我要幫衛美運委員那個第十應該是第十五還是第十六案講一下這個你們到底A7齁這個智慧園區因為這邊目前只有我是從上個會期齁跟你們充滿了滿滿的夢想 |
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你們跟我們報告說A7園區的未來然後怎麼去做我也質詢了很多次我們從做夢的那個年代一直到你們5月啟用到噩夢連連的一個現實我覺得這個是我覺得很不應該啦很不應該這整個那個部分A7的這個部分還會不會亂下去你要說明一下 |
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好 那個根本的報告的確A7從5月4號營運來的確有亂象那我看護理人員報告就是從6月3號本來我們還有一些是請別的中心幫忙處理現在都拿回來然後他每天那五日報表目前是這個恢復正常那但是的確我們現在還要繼續再往幾個優化方向包括機器的優化還有報告部長也提到那個我們14毛改20毛上禮拜五召開會議現在全力來推動 |
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假如說在這一個機器優化跟這個14碼改20碼改完以後這一個整個的處理會在大幅的提升那的確在這個某個的這個過程中有發生很多的狀況那我們一面處理然後一面再優化那目前大概6月3號以後已經會正常你接受嗎?可以齁?好 |
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好 其他委員 沒有齁那我們處理這個5到28案因為總共是104億4千7百52萬8千元那其中26萬剛剛盧委員針對的部分我們這部分現在3、2百萬 26萬3、2百萬那整體喔 我們整體凍結1%好不好 1%5到28案 凍結1% |
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那針對就是說第16案跟第18案因為有跟委員事前有溝通是不是可以改成組決議可以啊可以沒問題16跟18嘛16跟18案改組決議然後26案三減兩百萬其餘部分整體就整個5到28其餘總整體一百零四億的部分凍結1% |
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那這個一樣是提出書面報告一個月內時的動值好再來我們處理二九到三十六萬營業成本部分 |
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各位有沒有補充意見邱委員謝謝主席我這邊提出的是第41案主要是針對中華郵政推動數位帳戶成效低落的問題那中華郵政的問題不是沒有客戶相反中華郵政存款帳戶高居國內金融機構的前列那他的帳戶規模也超過2900萬戶那你應該最有條件推動普惠金融還有數位金融但目前的數位帳戶它涵蓋率只有 |
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百分之0.1161那代表绝大多数既有客户都没有被导入数位服务那省级部我这边再补充省级部也有指出中华邮政虽然有庞大的客源基础但推动数位账户还有行动邮局APP还有数位金融服务的成效人代提升应该积极 |
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嚴定推廣策略強化數位的轉型然後還有軟硬體實力這個也跟本案的提案的理由完全一致雖然我有看到郵局在中華郵政在去年有導入Apple Pay可是這是正確的方向但行動支付上限不等於數位轉型的成功所以我這邊還是凍結三千萬要請中華郵政提出這邊同意改書面報告請三個月內提出以上補充 謝謝 |
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好,謝謝邱委員,邱委員你講的是41案嘛那我們等一下再出,回來再出一次41案我們現在先29到36,看29到36其他委員其他委員好,都沒有意見好,那我們先請29到36我們先請中華郵政董事長我們先說明有沒有什麼狀況 |
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我們是建議因為很多委員我們也都經過溝通我們是建議凍結10億提出書面報告使得凍結10億好29案到36案1385億的部分我們凍結10億那也是一個月內提出書面報告使得凍結 |
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好 我們接下來處理37-44案剛剛41案邱樂豪有先說明了其他委員有沒有補充意見沒有的話我們請董事長先回應剛剛邱樂豪有一個41案的部分我們就是綜合我們建議是凍結一役提出書面報告時的動之凍結一役好 那就37-44案我們凍結一役也是一個院內提出書面報告時的動之 |
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好 我們接下來處理45到51案固定資產建設及改善擴充好 我們請陳行政委員謝謝在這裡我提了第45案45案最主要我要處理的是我想董事長這邊也知道就是我們台中農園中正如的油大樓的一個火化 |
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還有火車站旁邊的一個綜合商業的一個大樓的一個處理那這兩個案子我之前也跟董事長反映過那整個在處理的一個過程 |
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那在溝通的過程我坦白講我個人非常不滿意非常不滿意那這個過程我在這邊也跟趙薇特別報告這個終結這個百分比兩成我絕對堅持因為這個案子已經都跟董事長溝通報告成為同仁在處理的過程 |
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今天在預算的一個溝通過程也沒辦法給我一個比較明確的答案在這樣的一個過程我在這邊我就很明確的跟主席有關於第45案我主張動靜的部分我不會有任何的退讓 |
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那當然第五十一案經過溝通那我可以同意三件八百萬的部分我不疑三件該凍結該凍結那這個凍結數就由主席這邊召委這邊來決定我OK但是第四十五案我絕對就堅持在這裡做這樣的一個說明 |
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好謝謝陳慶榮委員喔其他委員不錯嗎這邊有主席謝謝主席這邊提出的是47案和簽署洪峰凱委員48案相同我們都是針對A區的郵政物流嘛那現在我們看到當初設立的目的是要透過自動化設備提升有間處理的效率可是現在剛好情況是相反嘛 |
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那現在我們看到人工作業負擔增加然後自動化設備的效能不穩定然後跟現在的流程銜接也不良導致郵件嚴重延誤基層的負擔不減反增那最近媒體也有報導那因為人力調度不佳還有自動化的設備的問題那造成郵件處理塞車還有回損那員工甚至加班到凌晨那中華郵政在 |
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先前也有回應那因為是初期營運的過程還在磨合階段那這邊本席是提出凍結一千萬那我看到洪孟凱委員也是凍結一千萬這邊要求就是中華郵政要更詳細的說明然後並在並我們要求的時間內提出相關的報告書面報告好那提供書面報告後時的動之好謝謝主席好謝謝委員好黃董事長 |
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剛才這個所提的第一個就是豐原車站的確上談完以後我有要求他們加速那他們目前給我是10月31號就竣工了然後那個現在主要是洽圍餐飲他會進駐他就開始做內裝他們目前是說到17年我們是希望說他趕快所以那個您關心的這已經處理了 |
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那第二個楓園中正路的遊戶大樓當時會議的原因是因為要跟中華電信來合建談了兩年後來沒有他們現在就趕快上次在拜訪委員以後我們就趕快來動工目前大概是6月23號這個月隔幾天就竣工了 |
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然後8月10號就簽職那我這邊是建議說不要因為現在到年終了啦再凍結20%太多可不可以凍結最多5%或是10%這樣 |
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在這邊我也知道董事長的一個用心那剛剛董事長有提到我們的這個公園球站的站前或是商場是確定9月10月可以竣工那使用執照可以哪個時候拿到使用執照 |
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就是明年第一季啦 我們處長是明年第一季拿到我們工程完工是在10月底好 那我這邊同意凍結5%啦凍結5%但是我這邊還是要跟董事長講我在這邊最主要的一個要求就是取得使用執照預計是明年1月 |
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然後要先跟你的委外廠商來協調這個所謂地下的這個停車空間要優先提供公共台使用要把他的營業跟地下的公共停車空間能夠來分開來處理 |
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用業停車空間如果能夠先提供給公共的使用我想這是我們地方主要的一個要求好不好我們那個使用紙要拿到以後就可以前廠商寫到說趕快開放就是要先拿到開開啦好不好跟國外廠商開開來處理這件事情趕快處理那個停車場的問題好不好好 |
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那這個我從一中結五趴好謝謝陳慶隆委員好那我們來處理那我要提醒一下董事長就是說因為你剛剛講兩個時間點六月多六月二十三要有一個時間點嘛然後十月要竣工嘛 |
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那因為今年底也會在聚省明年總預算了所以這個時間點不能跳票不然會很嚴重好好這個我們來處理的固定資產建設改良固定資產建設改良擴充部分總共是43億3908萬3000元的部分我們凍結5% |
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那一定要一個月內提出書面報告時的動機那因為剛剛針對陳青龍委員的這幾個期程他剛才是20他降到5%我想這是很大的善意所以你們那個相關的工程的時間點要確實掌握不然下半年整明年總預算的時候又會出問題好不好好那這案就這樣先這樣處理了接下來我們處理52到75案的這個決議案 |
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好先從52案開始來請董事長說明52案遵照辦理好在53遵照辦理54遵照辦理54有那個有改書有改文字對不對對他那個他就是說那個我們在11月就是說9月的時候就會遭出就會公告然後11月的會完工 |
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就是那些修繕的會員工所以宣讀下文字是請依依由局提供之規劃於115年11月完成基本修繕作業並於115年9月完成活化規劃公告遭遭對沒錯好好OK好那我們修正通過好謝謝 |
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55案遵照辦理56遵照辦理57案遵照辦理58案建議將中案報告改成書面報告 |
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好 羅委員可以齁 修正通過好 59案一樣 建議將專案報告改為書面報告好 羅秉正委員發言一下好 謝謝主席喔針對這個案子喔 我特別這個提醒一下除了你們人力缺口越來越明顯那我不知道 相信應該很多委員的辦公室都有接到我們郵務室的陳情啦我不知道董事長辦公室您知道你們郵務室的相關的陳情嗎尤其針對高雄地區喔 |
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這個高齡化以及缺工缺口增加這個問題他是希望說我們交通委員會針對於相關的一些議題是不是能夠建立延後退休勞僱協商制度等等相關議題來 |
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提出這個專案報告那當然要排專案報告這個是召委的權利啦所以我這邊是不是如果召委沒有空我們這邊就用專案報告來解決我也希望說如果你沒有接到這個陳情我可以陳情我待會傳給董事長我們他中間有一些的問題我們希望能夠具體來做一個回應以上說明這個我是不是可以回應一下就是目前我們統計在今年大概切了1681人 |
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包括有退職的留職停薪升薪調試假還有我們要增加的一些電商的人員那我們今年除了全國性的招考會招考1448人我們還加了三次的額外的考試所以我們總共會入籍1812人這意思是說人力現在雖然有一個差但是到9月16號在我們全國大考考完以後這人力會獲得紓解所以 |
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委員所接到一些我在董事長也是都有接到這個有在處理所以他們現在都積極處理我想說是不是我們用書面報告再跟委員做一些說明就好 |
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好 盧委員好 謝謝主席我再補充一句因為整體的一個缺工或者整體一個公司情況是一個指標但是很多的單位都有區塊不同的問題所以我們街道是高雄遊物市所以你要特別檢視一下如果平均數字拉下來可能是其他區塊好了但是我覺得這個部分你要具體回應好不好那就這樣 |
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改書面嗎改書面可以好我們59案改書面報告修正通過60案遵照辦理61遵照辦理62遵照辦理63遵照辦理64遵照辦理65也是一樣建議將專案報告改成書面報告你們有跟油化委員溝通過對好那就修正通過 |
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66 也是一樣 建議將專案報告改成書面報告 好修正通過67 建議將專案報告改成書面報告 好修正通過68 遵照辦理69 遵照辦理70 遵照辦理71 遵照辦理72 遵照辦理73案 遵照辦理接下來74案 |
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其實建議將那個最後四個字改善報告改為書面報告同意改書面報告修正通過好75順照辦理好好那我們115年度中華郵政股份有限公司的一月算總預算案審查完畢我們在接下來休息五分鐘謝謝謝謝主席 |
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辛苦了 辛苦了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
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好 掰掰 掰掰 |
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11366.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11366.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
嗯哼 |
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好,謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11408.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
嗯嗯嗯嗯 |
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11458.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11459.951 |
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不過提案還是蠻多的 |
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這裏有很多人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
響鐘 |
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謝謝 |
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11585.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
法定人數不足 |
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就這一次要修復這個是新的教室這是新的教室 |
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好我們繼續開會現在審查115年度總預算案國運台灣鐵路公司營業預算我們先處理今天在場現在是由我們陳志凱部長跟鄭董事長都在場那我們今天再處理一到二案用人費用提案委員都不在那我們就不處理好不處理 |
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好 接下來3到7案服務費用因為我提的蠻多的陳秀琳要補充嗎沒有齁好 這一段我還說明過了啦好不好 那我們就整體凍結1億好吧 凍結1億好 我們站到7案服務費用凍結1億 |
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那一樣我們一個月內提書面報告接下來第8案無障礙生活環境設置改善那提案委員有沒有要補充獨立的項目 |
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這個部分我們台鐵這邊有做了一個說明那我都會趕快順門報告啦那個東西一出就改成5% 百分之五好 我們就依澄清委員的建議辦理我們就動5% 百分之五 |
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然後書配報告一個月內動之是好在第九案跟第十案也是凍結案並安處理喔那提案委員都不在那我們就不處理好好接下來11-25案營業成本的部分來看提案委員有沒有補充說明 |
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謝謝主席我這邊要補充我這邊提出的是第14案我另外再做補充主要是針對人力缺額還有安全管理那台鐵公司化之後113年度兩次招考的補時成效也不佳然後在核心技術還有基層的職缺的報道率也偏低那立法院的預算 |
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評估資料也有指出截至113年7月底台鐵113年上半年度的招考仍有人力缺額的情形也提醒了應該要妥善規劃管理人力資源以維護營運安全那最近媒體也有報導說台鐵公司化之後兩度招募可是近一年已經有116新晉人員離職那接著台鐵自己的114年 |
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的安全管理報告也有說安全管理系統仍需強化那報告中有提到113年已經召開危害風險管理的會議12次統整出26類危害還有78次的類別1052項危害因子那第三方的鑑定也有提出31項發現事項重點包括關鍵人員的職責還有訓練風險辨識與控制緊急應變訓練還有事故的根本原因分析管理變革管理 |
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所以我這邊還是提出就是凍結預算1000萬元那也要求台鐵在這邊可以改書面報告那多久可以提供呢一個月好謝謝邱委員其他委員補充嗎 |
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我講一下我的19案其實19案也是針對最近一些台鐵每過一段時間都會有一些準點率出現問題的狀況那當然是因為整體的可能系統上的介面有些狀況那我們當然支持說該編的費用要別人該去修理要修理但是我們想要提出這個凍結案提出這個這一份的提案的主要目的是想要請台鐵做一個全面性的檢討到底是 |
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哪裡出問題到底要花多少錢是不是一次把它解決掉不要說今天這邊台中站出問題把台中解決隔天是苗栗站出問題就解決苗栗站的問題是整個到底台鐵環島路網 |
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11863.528 |
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你需要花多少錢做系統改善需要花多少錢做系統升級是一次的來把它解決掉而不是點頭痛一口腳痛一腳每次都分別分別去處理我想這個錢別人會覺得很沒有效益就是說你如果假設假設一次21年解決你就不要變每年變3億 |
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如果你是因為2131C能夠把台鐵整個入網的系統構面能夠解決掉的話是不是不要去編這個每年什麼兩億三億去逐步的維修所以這是我這提案終止的目的那不知道我也希望說這台鐵能夠提出一個比較完善的計畫來說明 |
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好那其他委員沒有補充意見的話我們先請這個鄭董事長先說明謝謝是我想有關委員提到的這個第19案那這個是我們電路維修的費用那我們也確實呢應該是可以針對整個中長期的我們的一些計畫來提出 |
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同時把我們最近期要做的部分來處理給我們兩個月的時間我們把書面報告送到委員這邊謝謝董事長 邱委員的問題你要回應嗎人力的問題我想總經理做一個最新的報告 |
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跟委員報告 所以委員剛才講的是兩次招募我們有1528人那我們現在目前已經在進行第三次招募我們現在已經招了1620人那我們現在缺額還有461那這一次招募包括正取跟備取總共會招進來760幾人所以未來這個缺額會被補足 |
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那委員剛才還提到很關鍵就是我們公積電其實業種會因為大環境有不同的一些情況那因應這樣的一個趨勢我們也有個別招募我們個別招募針對需求我們技術人員的需求去提高成績讓他的薪資待遇可以高一點讓更有能力的人可以進來所以我們有包括這個統招跟個別招募來處理這個問題以上報告 |
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12000.449 |
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好謝謝總經理好到各位沒有意見的話我們就來處理我想整頁成本的預算是4179,098萬9千元那我們就凍結1億凍結1億整體凍結1億你們自己去調整 |
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我們本來是建議是因為這樣主要都是營業成本還有維修費用剛才董事長也有提到我們維修費用是我們這個我們同仁日常維修要把讓這些設施設備能夠盡量把它做好那我們希望能夠凍結的金額能夠降低我們本來是建議說是不是可以來凍結1000萬這樣的一個費用總經理這個是417億凍結營業不到1% |
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書面就解決了好你下個月就錄下個月的提出來就沒事了對不對好謝謝委員好不好你們一個月還兩個月兩個月嘛好那我們就整整目凍結兩億啊對凍結一億然後書面報告兩個月內提出來解凍 |
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接下來處理這個26到36案營業費用的部分魯明哲委員謝謝主席我的提案是第30案跟33案首先說第30案因為這30案我們看到我們台鐵公司提出來一個400萬的預算 |
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最主要要推動台鐵黃金十年然後需要委外交給別人來做一個研究計畫首先我第一個憂心因為台鐵如果要黃金十年台鐵要好要棒我覺得這個事情在台鐵人或者台鐵高層應該你自己心中要有非常具體的藍圖號因為你們的工作項目是非常具體非常有受限的 |
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只要每一天能夠安全準點的提供服務財務怎麼健全這種議題要委外給別人來告訴你怎麼把安全做好服務提升財務能夠更健全我覺得說到底你們黃金十年要做什麼 |
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因為過去這麼多年來我在交通委員會也聽到了有很多這種規劃那時候都是逐夢但是最後沒有踏實譬如說公司化一切都好了現在公司化兩年邁入第三年了很多的狀況 |
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沒有改善很多我們鐵路智慧化之後就好了但智慧化的完整的工程拖拖拉拉告訴我們列控4.0做好之後一切就好了結果作廢了花了六千萬之後作廢了所以我們非常擔心這台鐵黃金十年是一個沒有具體成果的一個長徑格的一個書面所以它到底要做什麼能夠具體它這樣的委外給別人 |
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要讓台鐵更安全更準點財務更健全這個委外到底是什麼樣的用意所以我這邊提案凍結10%那第三三案其實上跟前一案也有連結的這個是最主要是員工訓練費用當然是要的但是我們發覺每一次都要跟董總談一些台鐵的問題我們發覺在高層有很多想法你們也知道問題 |
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但是有時候在基層或者中層很明顯產生了直行斷鏈又斷掉了到底斷在哪一點上利不能下達就是在最基層的時候他還是做的跟你們的方向不一樣這種已經經常發生這種上利無法下達直行斷鏈的情況 |
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所以我要希望你們員工訓練不光是指訓練基層員工在整個中層幹部的一個訓練甚至高層幹部的一個這個大家提升都要一起來進行讓上令確實可以下達才可以真正你們自己做就可以找到更好的黃金十年所以我在這個部分是提凍結10%希望你提出書面報告使得動之以上說明 |
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好謝謝魯委員好沒有委員補充那我們請台鐵公司先回應謝謝委員事實上先回應第一個項目黃金十年這一部分確實沒錯其實真正應該要怎麼做 |
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我們應該是自己最清楚但是我們希望說有一部分的參考資料來自於外部的一些專業機構譬如說我們在做黃金十年的時候我們有一部分在做這個資產開發這一部分的話我們可能要有外面的一些information或者一些人家的一些建議那麼來做我們一個參考的一個 |
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目標的一個參考另外有關於這個教育訓練員工訓練委員講的很對事實上我們自己應該怎麼樣的教育訓練我們是最清楚的但一樣的我們現在像我們最近我們就是在為了要提升我們觀光列車的服務 |
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我們覺得現在目前像明治澳明初澳已經做得不錯了但是我們還有很多的空間我們譬如說我們怎麼樣把我們的列車長跟這個雄獅啊他們的這個服務團隊整個linkage在一起那跟我們的這個 |
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裡面負責清潔的人又能夠聯繫在一起所以我們特別請這個高參一些講師來量身打造我們要怎樣把這個觀光列車的服務的upgrade讓我們讓美姿美儀還有我們這裡面的這些包括我們的廣播應該怎麼去措施怎麼樣講出一些比較貼切的一個話來把這個我們的service能夠再upgrade像這個我想都有需要我們 |
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花更多的一些錢 就對外部的這個講師來延攬以上補充報告好 沒有補充意見 其他委員沒有好 那我們來處理這一個 這部分26到36萬的話 總共是22億3670 四萬五千元那依據提案委員的這些提案的部分我想我們就補充一下 35萬萬美年委員改組決議 |
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好 那其餘部分的話我們就凍結百分之對不起 我們凍結1000萬好 那提相關的一個月內提書面報告一個月可以嗎可以一個月提書面報告給各個委員整理他們的提案的部分好 謝謝好 我們接下來處理37到46萬各位委員有沒有要說明 |
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好 那個我們請董事長先說明一下因為這部分我也提了一些都跟車子有關係說包含38到40案有很多也包含我有和洪孟凱然後42案是我提的跟這個車輛維修的部分有關係所以我們想請董事長說明一下這個車輛汰換跟這個維修的這個計畫 |
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車輛的在汰換的部分我們最新的這三種機車型就是EMU3000EMU900還有我們這個電動車頭E500有68部然後另外買了這個柴油車R |
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200這個部分這部分都陸續進來像現在的話我們的EMU3000還有EMU900大概都已經到位了那也陸續的都大概都已經驗收完畢所以現在都開始進入這個服務這個service |
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那前一段時間可能確實大家看到說我們有一些就是還沒有驗收的那所以在去年我們在12月因為在去年我6月來以後我發現有很多因為民俗三千還有好多車子十幾部都沒有驗收我覺得要趕快因為那時候說實在跟大家報告我們有一個很不太大家是說是台鐵是比較節儉就是 |
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派車都用舊車然後問題是有時候拋錨再請新車出來我覺得這樣是錯了所以現在我就要求趕快把新車驗收沒有問題的驗收上線然後舊車放著都備用所以在這個情況之下我們可以提升車子的妥善率 |
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所以各位也許看到了一些審計的資料或者是怎麼樣說我們怎麼會落後那麼多沒有沒有那因為是因為沒有驗收所以沒有沒有付款所以變成有這樣在執行上在預算執行上有點落後了那這一部分已經有大幅的這個改善了那另外呢像大家剛剛也常常提到那個我們行控3.0也是 |
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一直都到了我們去年10月那麼才發包那現在開始已經開始做了那像這一部分的話也是因為沒有即時的發包大家知道這個案子已經大概拖了大概10年沒有發包所以現在已經發包了所以在這個整個資產的使用還有這個系統的升級方面我想 |
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最近這一年來我們做了很多的突破也能夠把我們的資產能夠做比較有效的活化所以我想這一部分的話在這邊利用這機會跟大家報告 |
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那董事長請問一下現在車子驗收的進度到哪裡驗收我們像EMU3000全部結束了全部在去年的這個年底我們全部驗收完畢而且現在都已經在使用了那EMU900也是一樣 |
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那E500的部分的話我們現在因為交都交車了但是有一部分我們還沒有完全驗收因為它這個裡面有些漏油的事情我們還是跟原廠還在討論所以他們這一部分的話沒有做好我們還沒有 |
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那這個R200的話我們現在是買進來的部分還有五部還沒有交車但是我們也是因為他現在整個車礦一方面我們現在使用因為R200是主要是在貨運用的那我們用的不多那現在就是說整個車礦我目前感覺還是不好所以我們還是跟原廠要求他一定要把它做好我們才持續的做所以 |
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我們這一部分還沒有那甚至我們有一些option有一些這個選購的我們覺得他如果不用的話我們甚至是不是還考慮要不要option這個部分的話option的這種選購這些都已經編列在我們的預算裡面了所以這個部分沒有執行事實上是我們有考量是說我們為了能夠確實新車來了以後能夠把它的所有的一些設計上的一些問題都能夠把它解決我們才會來做 |
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像前一陣子EMU900裡面的集電工的事情雖然他已經交了三年多了但是他第一代的車子的時候第一代集電工事實上有問題了他用了一年多以後就會腐蝕掉 |
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所以我們已經原廠以後當然原廠也很負責任他們已經把我們改成了就是整個改成這個所謂新世代新代的這個整個一體一體整合在一起把那個體驗工的這個零件整合在一起 |
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所以現在就已經完全解決這個腐蝕的這個問題像這樣的話所以在我剛才報告的就是說新車一定有它的毛病而且是毛病是屬於設計上的我們一定要花一點時間而且要很針對問題的跟這個廠商來內构那否則的話我們交了一個車以後那就不能用那個保固體一過的話那它又 |
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謹慎的在在處理這個新車的交車的問題以上報告好謝謝董事長現在我也沒有意見好那我們在這個37-16案部分我們這樣子啦固定資產建設改良擴充部分我們在整體我們整體凍結3000萬 |
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好謝謝那我們這樣一樣一個月內一個月可以嗎這些東西一個月內提相關的書面報告可以的好接下來我們處理47-69案的決議案好47 |
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47案我們建議在執行進度報告這中間增加兩個字書面報告我跟陳書苑委員已經有跟委員溝通過來4848案遵照辦理好4949案遵照辦理50遵照辦理51遵照辦理 |
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52遵照辦理53遵照辦理54遵照辦理55遵照辦理56案我們建議專案報告改為書面報告這邊同意改為書面報告那這邊我也想要說提出三個月內好三個月內書面報告修正通過 |
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5757案遵照辦理5858案遵照辦理5959案遵照辦理6060案遵照辦理6161案遵照辦理6262案遵照辦理6363案遵照辦理 |
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6464案我們也建議把書面報告改為把專案報告改為書面報告有跟油耗委員溝通有跟委員溝通過好那就修正通過 |
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6565案也是我們建議把專案報告改為書面報告好 修正通過來66遵照辦理6767案遵照辦理6868案遵照辦理6969案遵照辦理好好那我們115年度總運算案的國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司營運預算我們審查完畢謝謝部長謝謝董事長 |
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好报告委员会我在这边宣告就好了好协商完成我们做以下宣告今日协商结论免以宣读我们授权一事人员整理作为决议列入记录委员要求提供之书面报告及相关资料请运安会交通部及相关机关请述以书面答复修正通过之提案及如有委员对于提案补签均列入记录并刊登公报 |
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针对本日会议以下决议本日会议预算审查结果照协商结论通过本日通过之决议文字授权主席及议事人员调整 |
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115年度國家運輸安全調查委員會交通部民航局單位預算民航事業作業基金非營業預算及桃園國際機場股份有限公司中華郵政股份有限公司國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司營業預算審查完畢我們休息明天早上九點繼續開會謝謝 |